 He transferred to Butler and played basketball under George Theofanis for two seasons, and was named a team captain and co-MVP in 1975–76.As a senior, he averaged 15.2 points and a team-high 7.5 rebounds while earning first team all-conference recognition in the Indiana Collegiate Conference.He earned a Bachelor of Science degree from Butler in 1976 and a Master of Science degree from Indiana State University in 1977.