 Retiring more or less from pitching, he appeared briefly for the 1965 Kinston Eagles and 1967 Clinton Pilots (1–0, 1.64), wrapping up his career with a 144–117 record for seventeen teams.He managed in the Pirates chain until 1969, making stops at Batavia in 1962, Gastonia 1963–1964, Asheville in 1964, Kinston in 1965, back to Gastonia in 1966, Clinton in 1967–1968, and Geneva in 1969.Moving to the California Angels chain, he managed the Idaho Falls Angels from 1970 to 1973.