 In all these tales Odin goes out immediately – either through seduction, deception, or force – to sire this son.Similarly where each of these documents ascribe Váli the role of Loki's son we see only in the postscript or translation notes that this transformation was a punishment when in fact the gift of wolf's strength and rage is well attested as being granted by Odin to warriors known as "ulfhednar", which would make his son Váli a Berserker and a possible origin for the "ulfhednar" legend.Finally we see a different description in Hauksbók.