 Since the younger Bertran would have only been fourteen at the time of the troubadour's activity, the "filhs" of the "chansonniers" must be the eldest son.Bertran and his brother Itier were dubbed sometime before 1192.The "sirventes" "Quan voi lo temps renovelar", written in 1206 in the style of his father, is attributed to "Bertran de Born" in the "chansonniers," but since the elder Bertran had retired to the monastery of Dalon in 1197, this reference must be to his son.