 Incidentally, via McNeal, Wynn crossed paths with producer and Grammy nominee, Dave Wilder.Wilder and McNeal were also joint producers in a production company that they had recently formed at the time.In late 2006, Wynn, McNeal, Livingston and Wilder all convened at Wilderstyle Studio in California, to record what would become "Songs that Bang", the first full-length album as The Panderers.