 Trevor de Cleene suggested that the money source might be Ferdinand Marcos who was then living in Hawaii.The first interest payment would have been $24 million; David Lange, who was in his element, told a hui, "You tell me the kids are out in the streets ... the next minute you tell me you can finance $24 million".Activist Titewhai Harawira told Lange that "the Māori people needed far more than $600 million, and the government should let them borrow it".