 He didn't care what people did or what people believed; he didn't have any real judgmentalism about people's personal choices.If you were an idiot he was very judgmental about that; he did not suffer fools well, but in terms of how you lived your life, he could not care at all.One thing that I think reflects that that I don't think many of our listeners know is that Perry's wife is a Jehovah's Witness.