 Cock Lorel is credited with having held a meeting with the leader of the Egyptians, Giles Hather, at their base at The Devils Arse Apeak in Derbyshire.Rid claims that at this meeting they devised a new and secret language thieves' cant, "to the end that their cozenings, knaveries, and villainies might not so easily be perceived and known".Became head of the regiment or fellowship of Egyptians in the north about 1528.