 Hippias believes that Homer can be taken at face value, and he also thinks that Achilles may be believed when he says he hates liars, whereas Odysseus' resourceful () behavior stems from his ability to lie well (365b).Socrates argues that Achilles is a cunning liar who throws people off the scent of his own deceptions and that cunning liars are actually the "best" liars.Consequently, Odysseus was equally false and true and so was Achilles (369b).