 Schiemer may have made arrangements to travel to Nikolsburg in Moravia, where Balthasar Hubmaier was an important Anabaptist leader.Here he witnessed the May 1527 disputation between the "Stäbler" (shepherd's staff) und "Schwertler" (sword) Anabaptist groups.While the "Stäbler" under the leadership of Hans Hut held a position of absolute nonviolence, Hubmeier and the "Schwertler" professed that Christians were permitted defend themselves and others with the sword.