 In 1969, his interest in early music took him to London.During the 1970s and 1980s, he performed and recorded in London with Anthony Rooley, Musica Reservata, the Consort of Musicke, the Julian Bream Consort and the Early Music Consort of London under David Munrow.In 1975, he formed the "New Excelsior Talking Machine," a ragtime ensemble for which he played banjo.