 He later retired from wrestling and start up a septic tank business in Oregon.Karl briefly worked in Phoenix and held the UWA Western States Tag Team Championship with Tito Montez, losing it to Chris Colt and one of Kurt Von Steiger's students Bobby Jaggers, who worked as Bobby Mayne at the time.After leaving the Phoenix Territory he started working in Dory Funk's NWA Western States territory based out of Amarillo, Texas.