 His son is in the Air Force and is stationed in Germany, and he has "a couple of little ones", making Carl a grandfather.His daughter is married to an African-American lawyer and lives in Utah, so Carl and Debbie bond a bit over the fact that they have to allow their children to be who they are.Carl's relationship with Debbie soon becomes sexual, with Emmett and Ted instructing Debbie on how to please Carl in bed.