 We go to trips sometimes and nothing happened.Or sometime we go on a trip and everything happens at once; you never know.And I think that that translates very much into John's way of life—whether it's hunting, fishing , or whatever, John's [Cardiel] an outdoorsman, and I think that, that hearty spirit of America translated very well with Julian's gritty grime of, like, the city slime, into making a really solid, "This is what it is to us."