 Ralph gave his first public account of the schism in an interview with David Rietti, which was published in 2006 in the UK-based occult magazine, "The Oracle".There, he states that, while the altercation between him and Carroll and the subsequent schism positively occurred, the 'ice magick war' itself was an entirely delusionary event that never actually took place except in his detractors' imagination.Ralph also states that during said schism, 80% of the order's membership left the organization, setting up an alternative organization (the Revolutionary Illuminates of Thanateros or RIOT), disputing his opponent's claim that the order was actually saved.