 Newspaper accounts of his testimony as a witness in a jury trial, in which Charles was the defendant, place Harvey still in Rochester in early 1885, but that autumn he submitted an entry for a competition for a monument for General Ulysses Grant from Utica, New York.It won first prize and publication in the nationally circulated "American Architect and Building News".Several plein air watercolor sketches, identified in his hand as sites in France and dated with just the year 1885, imply a European trip.