with beast and with goblin they warred and fared at times into far places unknown to the elves , and the fame of the hidden hunters of the marches began to be heard among orcs and elves , so that perchance tinwelint would soon have become aware of the place of turin 's abiding , had not upon a time all that band of turin 's fallen into desperate encounter with a host of orcs who outnumbered them three times .