its power of speech ( 'it is said that at times it spake dark words to him ' ) remained afterwards in its dreadful words to turin before his death ( narn p. 145 ) -- a motive that appears already ( * from the first of these passages it seems that when beren came to nargothrond the 'secret ' policy was already pursued under felagund ; but ( rom the second it seems that it came into being from the potent rhetoric of curufin after beren went there .