for example , there seem to be different views of the relation of the ingwaiwar to ing ( we ) : they are 'the sons of ing ' ( 19 ) , 'his kin ' ( 22 ) , 'the children of the children of ing ' ( 22 ) , yet he seems to have become the king and teacher of north sea peoples who had no connection with luthany or the elves ( 23 , 24 ) .