all this seems to allow of only one conclusion : the events of the tale of tinuviel took place after the great battle ; and this seems to be clinched by the express statement in the typescript : where the manuscript ( p. 15 ) says that melko 'sought ever to destroy the friendship and intercourse of elves and men ' , the second version adds ( p. 44 ) : 'lest they forget the battle of unnumbered tears and once more arise in wrath against him ' .