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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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America followed our journey.
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Like, Flip or Flop became the number one show on TV.
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Like, we were beating NBA playoffs.
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It was wild.
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And I mean, there d be days I came home to him, like, crying from the stress of everything.
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And then you film it, you go through it.
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It s your real life.
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And then the show comes out, you have to watch it and then deal with all the stress again.
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And then you have to hear from all the fans and you get attacked for, you know, almost everything you do because the fans are so vocal and on social media and
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So it s like you re going through the stress and you re filming and then you get a little break and then it comes out and you go through it again.
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Tarek El Moussa and Heather Rae El Moussa are on the show today.
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This episode is like an octopus.
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We literally go everywhere.
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There s tentacles everywhere.
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We talk about real estate.
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We talk about reality television, wellness, skin care, fitness, relationships, marriage.
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They have been in the public, both of them separately and together.
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for so long, and I think it s a really cool thing to see behind the scenes in this episode.
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You may recognize Heather from the popular Netflix series Selling Sunset, and I m sure you recognize Tarek from the HGTV hit series Flip or Flop, and together they have a show, The Flipping Almusas.
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I learned a lot about real estate in this episode and I think you will too, but you ll also just learn about them as a couple together from a real perspective.
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With that, Tarek and Heather, welcome to the show.
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This is The Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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We are doing a him and her on a trifecta.
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We re having a foursome.
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We re doing a him and her foursome.
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Another foursome.
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Another foursome.
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We re so happy to have you guys.
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We wanted to interview you both together.
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And I feel like there s a lot of parallels in your story.
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So let s just first start out.
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Maybe we ll start with Heather.
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Talk to us about how you got into real estate because I know that you ve like I ve seen you I feel like everywhere even before I saw you on Selling Sunset.
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Well, that s good.
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Yeah, maybe from modeling.
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I did some modeling.
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I did some acting and it was kind of a just an easier transition for me.
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Like what was the next step for me?
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I was sick of being in that
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It was auditions all the time.
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I would be in like five to ten auditions a day and sometimes you don t, most of the time you don t make it and you re told, you know, you re too fat, you re not right, you re this, you re that.
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So it was a lot of like negativity.
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So I m like, what am I going to do next?
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And someone in my life told me, like, why don t you get into real estate?
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You have a good personality, you re bubbly.
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Like, I feel like you could do well with it.
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You know, I ll get you a mentor.
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And I, and that s how I transitioned.
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And then I moved from Manhattan Beach up to Los Angeles, met Jason Oppenheim, and then
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I got on, I got in the Oppenheim group.
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Wait, so I have a question about this.
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What do you mean you met him?
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You go into his office to like interview?
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Is it natural?
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Is it for the show?
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No, it wasn t for the show.
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The show wasn t even thought of at that point.
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So we were already all in office.
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I was already doing real estate.
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So I brought some clients to a listing up in Los Angeles.
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I think it was like a six, $7 million listing.
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And Jason was a listing agent.
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He was the broker on it.
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He saw like, oh, wow, young girl.
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She brought in like high-end clients.
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And he actually called me up and said, will you come to my office and meet with me?
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And then he s like, will you join the Oppenheim Group?
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And I was looking to transition from Manhattan Beach up to L.A.
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And it was like the perfect fit for me.
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And then I d say probably about two years later is when the show actually started.
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Do you think being in auditions and being told no and being told you re that to this you re to that you re to like set you up for a really successful career in real estate because you did have that resiliency?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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I think it was just that natural transition like it was a it s kind
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of like the same type of industry and, you know, real estate is really tough.
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You have to deal with a lot of negativity as well.
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And I think being a young woman in real estate, not so much anymore, but back, you know, 7, 8, 10 years ago, it was a lot harder.
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A lot of men in the industry would just say, oh, you re young, you re pretty, you don t know what you re talking about, you don t know what you re saying.
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And, you know, you just have to come in with your facts and prove them different.
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I m going to guess that you have a different story of how you got into real estate.
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Much different.
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Yeah.
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What s what s your story?
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Have you always been such an entrepreneur from a young age?
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Yeah.
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So 100 percent entrepreneur from a young age.
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I mean, I remember being five years old, going door to door, trying to sell things to my neighbors.
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Started my first company at 15.
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It was a clothing company.
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Went to the courthouse, filed the paperwork, printed like 500 shirts with my life savings, and then turned out I filed it wrong and someone already had the company name.
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So I think those shirts are still at my mom s house.
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Getting into real estate.
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And you sold knives.
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Wait, the knives.
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Cutco.
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That s entrepreneurial.
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People used to crush at Cutco.
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I mean, they probably still do, right?
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I bet you were the top.
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I was one of the top in the country, but that s what led me to real estate because I was one of the top salespeople in the country slinging knives, you know?
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I was like a drug dealer, but instead of drugs, I had knives.
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And I lost my lead book one day.
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So like every client, every lead, everything I was working on was gone.
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And I wasn t gonna start over, rebuild my knife business, and I was at this Washington Mutual ATM in Cerritos, and I m looking at the account, it s not looking good, and I had one of those moments, and I was like, shit, what am I gonna do?
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And I looked to the right, and there was this crooked sign.
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It said Wise Old Owl Real Estate School.
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So I had what I like to call a defining moment, which is a moment in your life that changes the trajectory of your life.
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So I thought to myself, I was like, well, I can sell knives.
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I could probably sell houses and that s how I got into real estate.
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I walked across the parking lot and signed up.
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So if someone s looking to get into real estate the way that both of you did, what are some tips that they could apply immediately?
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Like, let s say they want to start today.
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Go online, sign up for a course, and start working on your license.
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Step one.
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Yeah, you have to take the courses.
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They re boring.
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They take time.
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The test is awful, but that s your first step.
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You have to get that done.
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Yeah, but what do you have to have?
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What s the recipe?
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Like, you guys have been around the block.
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What s the formulaic recipe?
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Like, is it talent?
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Is it beauty?
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One thing.
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There is one thing that s needed.
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Drive.
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Drive and confidence.
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I ve seen people show up to real estate office looking half homeless, never sold in their life, barely speaking English, but they had to put their kid through college and they became the number one agent.
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Like mothers probably, single mothers are probably like hustlers.
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I m talking about people you would never think and then you ll see someone with a master s degree coming in an Armani suit and they can t sell a house if their life depended on it because they don t have the hustle.
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And you said confidence.
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Confidence.
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Yeah.
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Because in the beginning, you know, you don t really know what you re doing.
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And for me, it was working with a mentor.
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Like that really helped me because, you know, you don t know how to do the paperwork.
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You don t know what you re doing.
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But I, you know, showed up at every listing appointment.
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Like I was there at the house all the time.
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Like my first listing was $7 million listing.
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And my second was one and a half million dollar listing, which is really rare in the beginning.
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And I didn t know what I was doing.
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Yeah, very rare.
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So I didn t know what I was doing, but I showed up every day.
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I drove to the appointments.
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I was there all the time.
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And I sold the house, both of them, within three months.
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And they had been on the market for almost a year.
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And I took over the listing.
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If you re on the other side and you re the owner of that property, who do you want?
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The person that s kind of like half-assing it or the person that you know is just going to break their back for you to get your house sold at the best price?
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And the way I got that listing was the confidence.
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I said, you know what?
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It hasn t sold in almost a year.
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Why don t you let me try?
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And I was brand new.
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That was my first time.
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And he s like, OK.
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And I did it within three months.
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I m sure if I asked that question, it would have been a big, big no.
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It probably didn t help that, you know, I mean, I just put my sweet voice on and said, why don t I try?
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Her first sale was a $7 million house.
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I think my first sale was a $50,000 condo in Rialto.
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And I think I made a negative $200 after paying all the fees and paying for the gas.
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Is there is there fees because when you watch the show selling sunset of someone who doesn t know a lot about real estate me and you see a 50 million dollar house that they re selling and then they say like whatever commission what you guys probably do it quick I m just gonna make it up five hundred thousand dollars.
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With that $500,000, is there a lot of fees that are paid out that people don t understand?
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You know, it depends on the volume of the agent, but typically, you know, anywhere between, you know, 20 to 40% of that is gone in fees and to the broker.
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Ridge and then the agent keeps the remainder.
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I mean, it s still like good money, but it s just crazy how much they take.
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And it takes a long time just sometimes sell a house of that status.
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You know, it s not like, oh, within three days it s it s sold and you make the money.
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Like sometimes it can take.
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I ve shown clients homes for I mean, I showed the Dubro s Heather and Terry Dubro.
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How many months?
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Eight months, seven months.
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I showed them properties and finally we found one.
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And if that the next for that process, like four months.
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you know, so it takes a long time.
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Is this their new condo or their huge house that they had in Orange County?
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No, their new condo up here in Los Angeles.
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That looks beautiful.
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I m a big housewife fan.
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Yes.
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It s gorgeous.
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And they negotiated one heck of a deal.
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Props to them.
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They did a great job.
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What makes a good negotiator?
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Saying no.
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Being able to walk away.
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Being able to walk away.
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That s what it was with this one.
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Why did, and I want to hear both of your stories separately because they are separate, did you guys decide to do television?
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Well, mine was just totally random.
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The fast version is I was at a real estate convention of 5,000 people.
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Somehow I got invited to sit in the front row because seats opened up.
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At the break, I met a guy who was on stage talking about how he made a million bucks a year, told me at a local TV show.
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And then I said, TV, wow, that s interesting.
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And I couldn t stop thinking about it.
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And then I said, I want to get a TV show.
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So I just jumped on Google.
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So I wanted to get on TV to build a brand to make money.
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So I came into TV as an entrepreneur.
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So I was like, well, if I can get on TV, people are going to know me and then I m going to make more money.
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It was marketing.
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It was marketing.
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So I literally went on Google and I typed Hollywood production companies.
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They came up and one by one I just said, hey, my name s Tariq.
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I want to flip houses.
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Call me.
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What year was this?
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So it s still early enough when TV looked a little bit different in some ways.
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Because I have tuned in a few times to the show that you were on.
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And I m sure there s marketing, but there s also a lot of other stuff that you are forced to deal with.
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We ve had Christine on the show.
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We ve talked about it a little bit.
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Oh, my favorite person.
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Which we could talk about.
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Hi, Christine.
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And no, Lauren and I always, like, we have seen doing what we do, some of these opportunities over the years.
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And I m like, I am not equipped to do that.
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I like this environment.
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I control it.
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I do what I want.
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I say what I want.
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There s nobody telling me anything.
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I don t have to get permission.
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We own the company that produces every I don t have to you know, it s like it s it s our I don t think about it depends on the show.
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You kind of sign your life away on reality At this point I m like why right with but I can also understand but but I don t know if I Personally would be able to handle all of the stuff that you guys.
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I think you re talking about I feel like yours is I don t know that you would tune into yours for drama.
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That s what I
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Yours was more business.
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It s like house drama.
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We re like, oh shit the plumbing broke.
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Oh, no, we got a squatter It s not like the production company trying to like, you know, pin us against each other and ruin our life Screaming a bad father pipe broke.
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Yeah What are the pros and cons when you look back on how you first got into TV?
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Like what what did you take away from it that you really liked and what were you like?
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I fucking hate this at the beginning.
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I
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At the beginning or middle or end?
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Oh, I mean, at the beginning, I mean, I like the fact that, you know, I made it happen, got a TV show.
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That s impressive how you that I ve never heard of anyone.
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You re very entrepreneurial.
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I mean, that is like that is like next level shit.
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Every scary giving Gary V. Yeah.
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Every every single thing I ve done, it comes from what I call outbound prospecting.
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Like I pick up the phone and I ll ask the question like every single thing I have in my life is not from waiting.
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It s from going out there and doing.
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The cons were, you know, you re literally on camera all day, so like, when are you gonna work on the houses, when are you gonna work on the business?
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But here s the craziest part about my story, is I pitched getting a house-flipping TV show before I ever flipped a house.
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So so then I got a contract to do 13 houses in 10 months and I had two problems I didn t have money and I didn t know how to flip houses So I literally taught myself how to do it and raise the money while filming a TV show my first year on TV So it was a wild year.
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As a tangent, because I think there s a lot of people listening that think about flipping houses, or maybe they re in a house that they want to then upgrade.
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What are the, like, maybe two or three key things that people need to keep in mind if they re going to consider either flipping the house they re in or thinking about getting into the flipping business?
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Yeah, I mean, honestly, like, flipping is not that difficult.
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There s four steps.
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Step one, you got to find it.
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Step two, you got to fund it.
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Step three, you got to fix it.
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Step four, you got to flip it, right?
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So what are the mistakes, I guess, then, that people make most commonly when they re trying to flip something successfully?
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People did that, their life would change.
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Mistake number one, they need to learn what to pay for these houses.
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So that s what I teach at my program called Homeschooled with Tariq.
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I teach people how to analyze properties, how to flip properties.
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And then the second thing is they choose the wrong contractors.
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And that is one of the biggest, that is the biggest mistake behind paying too much for the house.
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Because if you have the wrong team in place, a house that should take you eight weeks is going to take you eight months.
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How do you find the right contractor?
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research.
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So you don t call a custom builder.
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You don t call the kitchen and bathroom guy, right?
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You want to find out who is the contractor that s been working in this market for 10 years that has worked on a thousand flips.
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Yeah, my buddy came, I m not gonna say who, Lauren knows who I m talking about, my buddy came and was like, hey I found a flipper we re gonna do out in Texas.
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This thing was like, I m like, this ain t a flipper, you gotta tear this whole fucking thing down and start over.
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I was like, my idea of a flipper was like, we re gonna improve the kitchen, we re gonna maybe improve some of the fixtures, we re gonna like, we re not tearing down the whole thing and running a construction site, I don t have time for that.
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Probably not for your first flip either.
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That would be challenging.
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This thing I looked, I think someone died in this house.
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I m like, you gotta get the bad juju out of here.
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You gotta tear the whole thing down.
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Be bad juju.
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But anyways, I looked at it at the time and I was like, this is not going to be an eight week process and this is going to be way more expensive.
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And it s basically like we have to build a whole new house.
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I was like, out.
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And that s what happens.
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And people lose their asses because one, they pay too much.
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They underestimate the rehab and then they choose the wrong contractor.
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It s like the perfect recipe for the perfect store.
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Like impossible.
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You make it really digestible.
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Like sometimes I feel like to me, real estate is not my brain language, but you make it like I understand.
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Yeah, because honestly, it is simple.
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And like that s why I m so passionate about it.
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Like I went from delivering pizza to selling houses to flipping houses on TV.
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Like that s that s my story.
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House flipping, there s two ways to find a house to flip.
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One, you talk to people that own houses.
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Two, you talk to people that sell houses.
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Yeah.
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That s it.
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If you talk to, if you ask 50 people a day if they knew anyone that s looking to sell a house, you re going to get leads and you re going to be a house flipper.
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You re not allowed to do one fucking thing with flipping a house until you talk to him.
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You re going to have to ask me a couple questions because I m not getting some black rolled tear down.
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Here s why, and I actually have flipped a house before, but here s why.
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Before me.
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Yeah, but here s why for me, I think that there s also some people that think that they can just passively do a lot of this.
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And for everything that we re doing right now, I m like, it has to be such a great opportunity that that opportunity is going to replace some of the other stuff we re doing.
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And I m also of the mind, like, I cannot just trust some random contractor or some random person to do this for me.
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Like, if I can t actually be focused on it, I don t even want to think about it.
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You know what I mean, like you can t, I don t think any, by the way, I don t believe in quote unquote passive income.
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I think a lot of people are like, how do I get passive income?
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It s like, passive income comes from being very, very active and stuff prior.
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Yeah.
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So like, so this is what I tell people.
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I mean, the reason like we flip houses is to make money to buy more real estate.
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So there is passive investing through the syndications that we re doing, but I know what you re talking about.
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Like if you re a hands on in real estate, there is nothing passive about it.
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Now, if you invest with,
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like a syndication like my company T.E.M.
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Capital or Heather s H.E.M.
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Capital, then it truly is passive where our partners are relying on us to go out there, find the deals, do the work, and get the job done.
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And of course, they re a part owner, so they get part of the upside.
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Because you guys are the GPs then.
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Yeah.
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Okay, for people that are just listening and wondering what a syndicate is, maybe they re unfamiliar with real estate, can you explain just quickly what a real estate syndicate is?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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All it is is we pool investor money together to go buy commercial real estate together.
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So if we want to go buy a $20 million off-market distressed building and we need, you know, $6 million down payment to buy it, we ll go out and we ll raise $6 million from other investors who want to buy it with us and together we buy it.
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Okay, cool.
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And then for people that are thinking about getting involved, this is obviously they find a syndicate that they feel good about.
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And then the trade off is that syndicate will take care of all of the active work.
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Yeah, they become a
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passive investor in real estate.
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I m sure there s management and fees or whatever that are discussed ahead of time and then they get to participate in the real estate market but without getting their hands dirty.
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Exactly, because here s the thing.
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Everybody needs to invest in real estate.
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But you brought something up a minute ago.
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You re working on so many opportunities.
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You can t leave these opportunities to go learn how to flip houses.
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So because you don t want to lose your opportunities doesn t mean you shouldn t invest in real estate, but that s why we exist.
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Because like everybody s seen what real estate has done over the last two decades, right?
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I mean, it is just skyrocket and it s not going to stop.
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Yeah.
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It s a way to get an active real estate portfolio, but without having to actively be a real estate developer.
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I have to get Heather s pros and cons.
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I m sorry, guys, of being on reality television.
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I want to know because your experience was very different, it seems.
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Yes.
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This is a hunch.
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Very, very different.
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Gosh, how juicy can we get?
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Well, you know,
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When the show first started, so I was there from the very beginning, we shot, well, first of all, we were just an office.
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We were a real estate office on Sunset Boulevard.
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Different producers would come to the office and offer us a show because, you know, you have a lot of pretty girls in the office, they re all real estate agents, most were past models, and then you have two twin brothers that are, you know, the Oppenheim Group.
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So it was an interesting office.
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At first, like everyone was like, no, we don t want to do reality.
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And then we re like, you know what?
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Let s let s let s try it.
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And we shot a pilot and Netflix picked it up.
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And then in the beginning, we re like, this is not going to go anywhere, because this is back when, like, Netflix didn t have reality shows like it was, you know, Bravo and it was MTV, like things like that.
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It wasn t Netflix.
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So we re like, it s probably not going to go anywhere.
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Season one.
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And then that s it.
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By season, I met him right after I filmed season one.
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It was like the summer after and keep our hands off.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Can we hold hands here?
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I could use a break from you after this morning to be honest.
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I didn t even realize we were holding hands.
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She told me the same thing earlier.
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Stop.
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By season three is when Selling Sunset really got known.
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And in the beginning it was just all like fun, not crazy drama.
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It was just we were all friends.
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Like any drama was just
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It was just you know simple and then it just got worse and worse and worse.
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They started adding in more girls It just became out of control and I mean there be days I came home to him like crying from the stress of filming Yeah, and everything and then you know, you film it you go through it.
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It s your real life and then
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the show comes out you have to watch it and then deal with all the stress again and then you have to hear from all the fans and you get attacked for almost everything you do because the fans are so vocal and on social media and so it s like you re going through the stress and you re filming and then you get a little break and then it comes out and you go through it again.
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But, you know, some of these girls are still my really close friends.
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So that was a really positive that I took away from it.
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I filmed my show on Selling Sunset and our show together, The Flipping El Moussas, up until I was basically about to give birth.
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So I was filming two shows in high heels.
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And then I went on maternity to leave right during season seven of Selling Sunset.
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I guarantee you there was an energy that you were putting out that was like maybe protective over you and your son that they felt and that they realized that they couldn t penetrate anymore.
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It was better.
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I mean, you know, it was a blessing that I wasn t asked to come back because I m so much happier
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filming my show with Tarek.
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And, you know, we get to work.
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We re co-producers on our show.
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So we pick the hours and was selling Sunset.
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I never knew when I was going to be filming.
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It was last minute.
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It took over my life.
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It was hard to do my real job.
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Real estate was hard to do anything else.
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And I was away from him all the time.
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I was away from our kids all the time.
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And I was, you know, I d be gone for like 12 to 14 hours someday.
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It was crazy because we live in Orange County.
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So I had to drive up to L.A.
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And so it was pretty brutal.
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And it s like,
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You know, they just want more and more and more.
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And, you know, you saw me on the show.
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I pretty much was levelheaded almost the whole time.
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I was kind of, you know, friends with everyone and more like the chill.
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Like I kept things like pretty chill in my life.
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And but yeah, it s very toxic.
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You re around a bunch of women that everyone wants to be stars on the show and number one.
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And, you know, they ll kind of do anything.
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I feel like, and maybe some of our other or future guests that participate in reality won t like me saying this so much, but I feel like it s one of those things where if you can use it as a tool to build a great platform and get some exposure, great, but then some people get so sucked into it, they like almost stay at the party too long.
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It s like they think it s their real life and obviously it is our real life to an extent.
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I was wondering like, I m like, hey, it s season 13.
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Maybe it s time to hang it up.
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You know what I mean?
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Or like, hey, maybe it s season eight.
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Like, have you not figured out how to expand beyond?
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And again, people might hear me say this and get offended, but I just, I think everybody that we ve talked to, most people have an intention going into these, but I think some people over time lose sight of that intention.
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Like, this is my new world and this is who I am.
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You re so spot on.
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Yeah, you re so spot on.
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And I think that was like me and a few of the other girls, we, we didn t let that take over our real lives.
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He s more important to me than anything and our kids and our happiness than, you know, filming a reality show.
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But I, you know, I got amazing benefits from it.
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I have a great fan base and touched so many different people s lives and all around the world and got my platform.
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You know, it was such a great transition to now be on HGTV and filming with him and I m thriving I m obsessed with what I do.
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I m now designing homes.
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I m flipping homes with him Like I have a whole new craft and I m so much more passionate about this and she is so damn good Oh my god, wait till you guys see season 2 I swear like these are the most gore and I flipped a lot of houses These are the most gorgeous houses I ve ever done
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I have an eye for design because I came from luxury real estate, but it s a very different craft because we re flipping homes, so you have to figure out how to make the most money, so return on investment, but also make the homes beautiful.
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So we have a really good way about finding materials for the houses that are inexpensive that look very high-end.
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I think it sounds like you squeezed the juice out of the orange and you got what you needed to get out of it and you left at the appropriate time to do what you wanted to do.
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She leveraged it into a career.
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That s the way to do it.
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It s like either do what you did and go in with a mission where you re like I m here to promote my business or use it as a stepping stone like a lily pad to get to where you want to be.
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And I didn t know in the beginning like I
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you know, we just all signed up for this.
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We didn t know what it was going to become, like, if anything.
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And so, you know, when I met Targ is when my career really, I feel like, started.
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And I was, what, 31 when we met.
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And then I feel like my career just got stronger and stronger because he s such an entrepreneur.
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And, you know, I was right there.
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I just needed someone to come into my life and really, like, help me flourish, I would say.
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He really helped me flourish.
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That s true.
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I needed someone.
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Were there things that happened on that show that
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maybe got you to a place where you re like, I m done with this and I don t want to keep tolerating it?
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Or is it like things that you felt were inappropriate?
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Or is it just like, it just kind of
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I ve never talked about those type of details because I feel like, you know, it s just not appropriate with how I want to portray certain things.
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I m just not there in my life where I would talk about those things yet, but maybe one day.
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Yeah, there s some pretty nasty shit, but she s keeping it private for now.
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Maybe I ll write a book.
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Yeah, maybe.
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A tell-all.
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Yeah, a tell-all.
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You guys should write a hymn in her book.
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Yeah.
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And spill all the juicy secrets.
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How did you guys meet?
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Aww.
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We met 4th of July 2019.
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What was he wearing?
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Were you wearing American flag boxers?
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He was wearing these board shorts that he still has to this day.
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He won t let me throw them away.
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He is like a creature of habit.
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He wore the same flip-flops, board shorts, black tank topper t-shirt, Brixton.
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You still have it.
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I m simple.
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I ll wear the same outfit five days a week for five years.
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I m easy.
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That s the way to do it.
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You don t have to think.
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It s decision fatigue.
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I met Lauren when we were 12 and I still wear the same underpants because I feel like that s what keeps it going.
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That s the excitement.
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Every day I ve never taken them off.
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So did you go up to Heather?
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Confidence is key.
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Alright, so it s 4th of July.
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We re at a bar in Newport Beach called Woody s where all the you know, there s like four spots.
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You re already missing some of the points.
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So I was living in Los Angeles.
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Story lost in four seconds.
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We can do it together.
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We re better when we bounce off each other.
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So I was living in Los Angeles at the time because I think, like you guys know, you re San Diego, Los Angeles, there s a distance.
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People that live in LA don t go down to Orange County that often and it s like a divide.
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People in Orange County don t come down to San Diego.
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She s going way back.
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She s just like four score and seven years ago.
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Four score!
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Pull up the scroll!
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Wait, hold on, let s get the math out.
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So before we met on 4th of July, she was born September 16th, 1987.
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Hey, don t age me.
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Um, but yeah, so I came down to LA for 4th of July and it s a big party down in 4th of July and in Newport Beach at this place called Woody s.
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It s like a famous little dive bar, boat dock area.
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And it s hard to get a boat slip there.
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So his boat was parked there and the boat I was on was next to him.
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A girlfriend of mine who was living in Los Angeles was on his boat and I saw her and I was like, Oh my gosh.
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So I went and jumped down on his boat and I ll take it from here.
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It was a good party, by the way.
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I still get in trouble for all the girls on my boat that day, by the way.
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Yeah, he was a player.
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So I m like mid-conversation and I just see like this blonde hair and this braid and like mid-sentence stop talking and I look and I m like, who is that?
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I was freshman.
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I haven t seen her around here.
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So like I just walked beelined right to her.
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Of course, I m feeling good.
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I m on my boat, my yacht, right?
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So I m like, okay, I m ahead of the game here, right?
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Confidence.
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Confidence.
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I needed the boat.
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Trust me.
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So I pull my hand, I go, I m Tara.
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She goes, she shakes my hand, she goes, I know who you are.
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So the first thing I m thinking is, yeah, you know who I am.
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Like, my ego s getting even bigger.
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Of course you know who I am, you know who I am.
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And then she goes, you asked me out two years ago.
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And then I m like, oh shit.
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SPEAKER_01
Retreat, retreat, retreat.
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I was like, where d I ask you out?
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SPEAKER_01
She goes, Instagram.
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SPEAKER_04
I go, hold on.
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SPEAKER_01
Hold on.
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SPEAKER_01
So then I spun my back to her, I pulled it up, I looked, and she wrote me back that she had a boyfriend.
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SPEAKER_01
So I spun back around, I was like, you still got that boyfriend?
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SPEAKER_01
She goes, no.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04
So then he asked me, like, no jokes.
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SPEAKER_04
He says, next weekend, do you want to go to Paris with me?
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, pause for a second.
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SPEAKER_00
What is the appropriate DM slide in?
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SPEAKER_04
The appropriate, let s see.
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SPEAKER_00
Videos.
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SPEAKER_01
It used to work for me all the time, just kidding.
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SPEAKER_02
The videos that I got on Snapchat were like pulsing penises.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve been with Lauren for so long, I missed the whole era of online.
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SPEAKER_02
What s the appropriate DM slide?
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SPEAKER_02
And it s a really hard one because it s a very fine line between being... Well, I turned him down, so I don t know.
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SPEAKER_01
You didn t turn nothing down, you had a boyfriend.
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SPEAKER_04
I don t know.
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SPEAKER_04
I mean, I do remember like seeing the DM from him because, you know, this was years ago back in 2000.
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SPEAKER_04
When did we meet?
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19.
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SPEAKER_04
So it was probably 2017 then.
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SPEAKER_04
And I saw like his name and I knew who he was because of TV and like the divorce.
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SPEAKER_04
I remember like that was like, oh, his divorce was everywhere.
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SPEAKER_04
So I knew who he was from both.
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SPEAKER_04
And then, I don t know, I think he was just, you asked me to go to drinks or something.
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SPEAKER_01
No, no, I butchered this story, watch this.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, so I asked her to go to Paris, she goes, no.
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SPEAKER_03
We re not there yet, they re asking about sliding and DMs.
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SPEAKER_03
I moved way past that a long time ago.
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SPEAKER_03
Paris is a good move.
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SPEAKER_03
Paris, that s a hard to... Yeah, you gotta swing for the fences.
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SPEAKER_03
I m not at home, I m not gonna go.
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SPEAKER_01
I told you we can sleep in separate beds.
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SPEAKER_01
I told her, I said, we ll get separate beds, no problem.
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Not separate rooms, separate beds.
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SPEAKER_02
So you didn t go to Paris?
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SPEAKER_02
No!
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No, so then I said fine.
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SPEAKER_01
I said, what about Vegas?
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SPEAKER_01
And she goes, no, I m not going anywhere with you overnight.
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SPEAKER_00
And I said, okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Paris and Vegas is a big, that s a disparity.
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SPEAKER_04
He s like, let me try Vegas then, a little closer.
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SPEAKER_01
Listen, you swing for the fences and you just, you start at the top.
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SPEAKER_04
I was very, like, skeptical because, you know, I d been single in LA and most, yeah, and I m like, guys are just douchebags.
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SPEAKER_03
So I just thought he was going to be another one of those.
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Like he s on TV.
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Like I knew his story.
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SPEAKER_03
You know, you hear different things about people and you know, I judged obviously, but we did have a connection and we started having like a deeper conversation on the boat.
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SPEAKER_03
And then this girl comes up, we were talking, I think something about your divorce.
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SPEAKER_03
This girl comes up and she goes like drunk.
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There ll be no talk about divorce on this boat.
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SPEAKER_03
And I just said, you know what?
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I was 31 at the time.
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SPEAKER_03
I m like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_03
I don t, I don t need this.
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SPEAKER_03
And I was like, I m going to, I m going to leave.
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SPEAKER_03
And so I left the boat.
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SPEAKER_01
So this is where I m picking it up.
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SPEAKER_01
So now I m like about to cry.
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I m sulking.
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I walked downstairs on the boat.
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I m sitting there feeling like miserable and sad.
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And then I realized I m like, wait a minute.
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SPEAKER_01
You re not a pussy.
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SPEAKER_01
Get out there and do something about it.
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SPEAKER_01
So then I ran upstairs and I went to the wheelhouse and I found the button that said horn because I looked across and she was talking to some handsome dude on the front of the boat.
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He was making her laugh.
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I saw her throw her hair back.
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SPEAKER_01
I said, oh hell no.
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SPEAKER_01
I said, I am not going down.
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SPEAKER_01
I hit that horn so loud.
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The whole dock, the whole bar, the whole restaurant.
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SPEAKER_03
We have it on video somewhere.
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SPEAKER_01
And I stuck my head out and I yelled at the guy to get off my girl.
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And that was it.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh my god!
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SPEAKER_03
You know what I like about you?
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SPEAKER_03
You know what you want.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh he does.
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SPEAKER_01
I m going for it.
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SPEAKER_03
He goes for it.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
So what d you do?
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SPEAKER_03
I went back on the boat.
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SPEAKER_01
And the best part, I walk up to the guy and he goes, big fan bro.
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Walks off.
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Couldn t have been better.
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SPEAKER_03
We went back on the boat and like, he took a picture with me.
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SPEAKER_03
He took like a selfie with me and posted it on social media and tagged me and I was like, that s weird.
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SPEAKER_03
Like guys, especially him, you don t usually do those things, but then we exchanged numbers.
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SPEAKER_03
And then he asked me to go on a date and I said, yes, but then the day of our date, the first, the day of the day, I texted him that morning and I just said, you know, I can t do this and I m going to count, I have to cancel our date.
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SPEAKER_01
Man, making me work.
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SPEAKER_00
And he said... You guys love it when they make them work out.
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SPEAKER_00
Right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
I didn t even know I was playing a game, but I was.
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SPEAKER_03
It s the best game.
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SPEAKER_00
It was a game.
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SPEAKER_03
And he wrote me back and he said, I m different than you think I am.
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SPEAKER_03
Give me a chance.
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SPEAKER_01
And I m like... And I am.
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SPEAKER_03
And he is, and he was.
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SPEAKER_03
And that statement right there, I m like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_03
And he kind of pursued, kept pursuing me without being like annoying about it.
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SPEAKER_03
Because if he would have bombarded me, I would have been like, ugh, you know?
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SPEAKER_03
And we went on our first date and I made him work.
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SPEAKER_03
I said,
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I m only gonna go to drinks at eight o clock on a Monday night and He s like, okay I got back from South Africa the night before by the way And but he did it and he picked me up and we went to somewhere here in Beverly Hills.
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SPEAKER_03
It was a disaster It was a disaster.
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SPEAKER_03
Why?
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SPEAKER_01
I mean do you guys want to hear really?
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We love the details.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh my god.
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SPEAKER_01
It s such a disaster
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SPEAKER_01
Like I m so excited for this date.
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SPEAKER_01
So before the date I m supposed to be like the main host at this big golf event with the helicopter dropping the ball and as the helicopter s there I m sneaking out the back door because I got to get to this date.
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SPEAKER_01
So I like bailed on my event and I know I look good in this one blue sweater I have.
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SPEAKER_01
I wear every Christmas.
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SPEAKER_01
It s like, it s like the closer, you know, it s my go-to.
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SPEAKER_01
I know if I wear this sweater she s gonna love me.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
But I forgot the fact that it was in the middle of summer in LA during a heatwave.
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SPEAKER_00
You sweat a lot.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, so the whole dinner I can feel beads of sweat coming down my forehead, off my nose, onto my lips.
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SPEAKER_01
And every two minutes I m like, I gotta go to the bathroom, I gotta go to the bathroom.
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SPEAKER_01
So I m leaving her the whole night and I m vaping in the corner.
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SPEAKER_03
He s like, are you on cocaine?
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SPEAKER_01
He s going to the bathroom.
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SPEAKER_01
Did you just think he was nervous or what did you think?
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SPEAKER_03
Honestly, and he also he s kind of yeah, he s kind of kooky, you know, and you don t really know that about him He s also very swaggy.
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SPEAKER_03
So like I always thought he was kind of dorky even on TV I I called I was like I told my mom like mom He s kind of a dork.
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SPEAKER_03
Like I don t know and And he kept putting on chapstick he d like put it on and he d wipe it off and I m like, what are you doing?
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SPEAKER_03
Wipe it off like over and over and over.
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SPEAKER_03
He s like nervous energy and sweating and you go to the bathroom and
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SPEAKER_01
It was a disaster, but she was having fun.
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SPEAKER_02
Here s the thing, in his defense, I think sometimes when there s a pursuit of lust and there s a pursuit of like, hey, I want to be with somebody.
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SPEAKER_02
You had a couple like nervous moments.
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SPEAKER_02
Don t talk about me.
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SPEAKER_02
This is gonna be really fucked up to say but maybe some of the men and women listening will get it I think the pursuits of lust are very easy because you don t have as much skin in the game You don t really care if it goes south
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But if you like someone you re just like you and also you ve put this whole other Framework and this whole other thought and you re thinking of like they re building a lot.
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SPEAKER_02
It s like it just comes with this whole Group of pressure because like I felt that I was fine with women but then when I first started pursuing like there was a bunch of that shit that happened to me and I was like
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I was like, what s happening?
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SPEAKER_01
What is this?
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SPEAKER_02
I didn t understand why, I m not normally like this.
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SPEAKER_01
She s like, what do you talk about?
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SPEAKER_01
She looks at me, so finally I come back from the bathroom after like 700 times and she looks at me, she goes,
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SPEAKER_03
Are you okay?
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SPEAKER_03
He s like, I m not okay.
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SPEAKER_01
And I look at her and I go, I am not okay.
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SPEAKER_01
And she goes, let s get drunk.
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SPEAKER_01
I said, I m in.
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SPEAKER_03
We started just doing shots and like having like a good time.
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SPEAKER_03
And then we ended up going to like a speakeasy bar after and FaceTime the whole way home, like the two hour drive home he had.
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SPEAKER_03
And that was kind of it was like,
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SPEAKER_01
And then, I think it was four days later, I picked, oh, no, no, a few days later, picked you up for our second date.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, I sent the van to get you and the boat, and you and your girlfriends, and I got caught filming, so I missed most of the day.
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SPEAKER_01
And then, a few days after that, I showed up for our third date in the new Ferrari that I got her.
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SPEAKER_01
I got her a Ferrari on the third date, and then we moved in together.
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SPEAKER_01
I wonder if the Ferrari helped.
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SPEAKER_01
I think so.
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SPEAKER_00
What?
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, hold on.
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SPEAKER_00
You pull up in a Ferrari, and it s yours?
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SPEAKER_00
A white Portofino.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, he brought me a Ferrari.
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SPEAKER_00
When did I get my third date?
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SPEAKER_02
Chill, edit this part out.
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SPEAKER_00
I got like P.F.
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SPEAKER_00
Chang s calamari.
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SPEAKER_00
But you guys were younger, right?
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SPEAKER_00
I d like a white Ferrari.
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SPEAKER_02
I was trying to figure out which pot to piss in back there.
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, so does he show up with a white Ferrari with like a pink bow?
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SPEAKER_03
Like what was the thing?
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SPEAKER_03
Not yet.
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SPEAKER_03
So he had asked me, first he asked me like what my dream car was and I said like a white sports car, white, you know, and I think, did I say a white Ferrari?
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SPEAKER_03
I can t remember.
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SPEAKER_01
I think, no, I think you just said a white sports car.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, and then he shows up in this white Ferrari and at first I m like...
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SPEAKER_03
Is he fucking with me?
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SPEAKER_03
Like, is this really, like, for me?
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SPEAKER_03
Is it, am I borrowing it?
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SPEAKER_03
Like, I didn t know, like, what was going on.
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SPEAKER_03
And I think, like, so driving around in L.A.
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SPEAKER_03
in a Ferrari is very scary.
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SPEAKER_03
I remember ruined the wheels, like, right away.
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SPEAKER_03
And then a little bit later, he ended up getting, like, brand new wheels put on it.
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SPEAKER_03
And for my birthday, he had it, like, wrapped in a bow.
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SPEAKER_03
It was all, like, tinted out.
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SPEAKER_03
Like, he, like, made it mine.
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SPEAKER_03
Like, because it was, like, stock, you know, a Ferrari when it came.
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SPEAKER_03
And then he, like, souped it up and made it mine.
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SPEAKER_03
And then it was my car.
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SPEAKER_03
Thoughtful.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Did you know you were gonna marry her the first time you met her?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, pretty much.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, as I was pushing the horn, I knew that was my wife.
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SPEAKER_03
Well, also because like, you know, I think a deeper, deeper side of it was he went through a really, you know, rough personal life, rough divorce, and he did not was not planning on getting married again.
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SPEAKER_00
You went through the roughest divorce that I ve never seen anything like it.
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SPEAKER_00
Was that just because all of the cameras were around?
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SPEAKER_02
Was it because of the people?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, Michael doesn t understand.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t even know how to describe it.
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SPEAKER_01
It was awful.
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SPEAKER_01
Paparazzi chasing me on the freeways, waiting outside my house.
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SPEAKER_01
And then, like, the thing is, like, most couples in, you know, Hollywood or whatever, and I m not in Hollywood, but I guess I am, you know, they get pressed for two weeks, three weeks, and it dies.
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SPEAKER_00
They wouldn t, it was relentless.
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SPEAKER_01
For years.
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SPEAKER_02
Why do they care so much about this particular one?
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SPEAKER_01
I have no, because,
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I think, like, America followed our journey.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, Flip or Flop became the number one show on TV.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, we were beating NBA playoffs.
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SPEAKER_01
It was wild.
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SPEAKER_01
And people watched us from being, like, these broke kids to, like, you know, what we became, and I think they were really invested in our family, and then...
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SPEAKER_01
I think the world was shocked when everything exploded.
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SPEAKER_01
It was like an innocent couple, and then all of a sudden they divorced.
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SPEAKER_00
It was very similar with Rachel Hollis and David Hollis.
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SPEAKER_00
When they went through that divorce, people had followed them for their relationship, and then they broke up.
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SPEAKER_00
And it was almost like a projection onto other people that they maybe were worried that they would break up because this couple broke up.
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SPEAKER_00
Does that make sense?
4
100%.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, if they can t make it, how are we going to make it?
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SPEAKER_01
It s also what s happening with Kyle and Mauricio like there s like this like energy of like It s like they project their own Insecurity on to this reality couple that is in a marriage that they perceive a certain way And during the time was were you and your ex?
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Was was there a contention there too?
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SPEAKER_02
Or was it just like there was so much attention that you guys were both just bombarded or is it like also you guys were not?
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, they were getting a divorce, I m sure that s good.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh no, you guys have no idea.
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SPEAKER_03
If people were on set with us, it was the wildest thing for years.
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SPEAKER_00
Because they had to continue to film together.
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SPEAKER_03
We didn t say one word to each other.
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SPEAKER_03
We wouldn t look at each other.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh wow.
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SPEAKER_03
The second the cameras were on, bam.
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SPEAKER_03
Cameras off, bam.
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SPEAKER_03
Literally, we did not communicate unless it was on camera for probably three years.
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And if we were communicating, it was not good communication.
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If someone s listening and they are in a position, I have a stepmom, and I know how hard it is to come in.
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My dad had two kids.
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She had two kids.
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To merge that, it was hard for her.
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How did you deal with that?
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Well, before I met him, I mean, he wasn t even in the picture of my life.
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I always had said, I think it would be very hard for me to date someone that had kids already and had that situation.
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And then fast forward, I meet him and... Ferrari didn t hurt.
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Stop.
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The Ferrari does help.
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I mean... No, but taking all that away, you know, like, I mean, he was very romantic, but...
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I we just fell so deep in love so fast and I met the kids right away.
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I met his whole family right away.
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We moved in together within like what two weeks less than two weeks.
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Yeah, and
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From the very beginning, he made me so comfortable with the situation.
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And the kids loved me right away.
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So I got really close with Taylor, who is my stepdaughter.
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She was eight at the time.
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And Brayden, my stepson, was three.
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So right away, they welcomed me in.
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It wasn t like this awkward transition.
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Like, she was singing the song, like, Tariq and Heather sitting in a tree, kissing, having babies, the first day I met her.
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And then he, right away, integrated me into his life.
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our life, we, what do you want to do with the house?
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Like it was never this awkward situation of me coming into their life and becoming a stepmom.
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Sorry, my daughter Taylor just knew like dad had been real sad for a real long time and Heather was like the first person that like, you know, I brought around as someone I was interested in.
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That wasn t a friend.
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So it was a big deal.
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She was ready for like a woman in his life.
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And that s very mature for an eight year old.
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Girl, how many years since you divorced or separated from your previous partner?
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This was you guys were separated About three and a half years.
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Okay, so the kids they had a lot of time between that time Yeah, and you know, they were still filming their show together, which I knew so coming into the life like I knew like he still has
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to have film with this woman you know he still has kids with her like I wasn t coming in to change his whole life I was coming in to be a part of his life and you know it now five years almost five years later I look back like a lot of things are different so different now than they were back then and even my confidence in his life as his wife and the kid stepmom my confidence is so much better because you are coming into kind of like a chaotic situation right like I took on a lot but
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I love it.
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I mean, I loved it from the beginning.
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I loved being a stepmom.
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That s really what made me want to be a mom because I never, I always said I didn t want kids, but I also don t think I met ever the person I wanted to have kids with until I met Tarek.
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So how did that conversation come up?
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Did you bring it up or did you bring it up about having kids?
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We actually talked about it in the very beginning.
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I remember I was sitting at, this was before we moved in together, and he came into the house, my house I was living in.
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And I could tell like there was something like really bothering him.
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And he sat me down and he s like, I just want to be really clear with you.
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And I hope this doesn t like ruin our, you know, our situation, but I don t want any more kids.
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And I said, it s okay.
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I don t either.
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And then fast forward to, I think I started kind of talking about like maybe
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I want a baby and you know, I just love being a stepmom so much.
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I love you so much.
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And then at first he was like, I don t know.
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I don t think so.
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And then I don t know.
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And then we decided, yes.
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Yeah.
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And then after we got married, we just, it was, you know, yeah, like weeks.
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No, it wasn t weeks, but we had a lot of fun A lot of fun.
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And how do you guys like being parents together now?
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Heather s honestly like the best mom like for reals like the best mom I mean the the kids are number one and you know for me, this is just a different experience.
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You know, I m older I m more established.
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I m a little calmer
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I have a lot more life experience.
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You know, with my first two, I was, you know, my first one, I was 29 years old, overwhelmed, never home, working.
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I never even saw her.
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My second one, I was right going after cancers, going through the divorce.
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Like, so this time it s just been different and it s been a beautiful experience.
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Like he loves me, like he loves me, loves me.
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And it s nice to know that, you know, 13 month old baby loves me.
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Cause I really didn t have that with my other two when they were really, really young.
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How did you deal with having cancer and everything you have going on with two young kids?
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You ve been through a lot, man.
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How did you deal with that?
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Two cancers, actually.
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So a nurse out of Texas was watching my show, saw a lump on my throat.
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That s how I found out, through research, that I had thyroid cancer.
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And then, because of that, I checked old medical records, and then through more research, I found out I had testicular cancer.
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So in 2013, I had both cancers at the same time, so I was really messed up.
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About a year and a half, two years, and then I finally started feeling better for like six weeks, and then I hurt my back on the golf course, and that was worse than the cancer.
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Like, I couldn t barely walk for over a year, lost 60 pounds,
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And then after that, I had complications with the surgery.
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And then after, like, it was just hell.
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So I was really banged up, I would say, for about five years and then emotionally banged up for another, you know, four years.
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So looking back on my life, I kind of feel like I lost nine years of my life.
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But that s why today I m in, like, hyper mode, overdrive, because I m trying to make up for lost time.
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When you get those kind of diagnosis or you get that news, how do you manage that stress and information?
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Man, you just, you just deal with it.
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So like when I found out I had the thyroid cancer, I was like, okay, let s start the fight.
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Right?
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A few weeks later, I found out I had testicular cancer.
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So there s two different cancers.
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And then that was the moment where I actually said, okay, I m, I m going to die.
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Like, and I didn t know anything about cancer, but when I hear I have two cancers, like I m in big trouble.
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Most people would assume go to that same space.
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So I thought it was over, so then I made a decision in that moment that I was gonna ride it to the end and burn the boats and work my ass off and leave my family with as much as I could.
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And that s what I did.
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And I filmed through, I mean, I filmed through, I filmed the entire season with the cancers and the surgeries and the treatments, like, in between scenes, I m throwing up in the bushes, you know, like, but I did it.
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I imagine, though, that perspective, you know, I feel like, and you guys might relate to this, having kids, like, the worst thing that can happen is if you hear, like, one of your kids is sick or there s something going wrong.
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I don t think there s a greater hell on earth.
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And I ve said on this show, like, I don t, would not wish that experience even on my worst enemies.
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There s nothing worse.
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But then second to that is like something like this going on with you personally.
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I think it puts everything else in perspective.
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Like all of the work, all the money, all the material stuff becomes so much less important.
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I mean, in this case, it s important to leave something to your family, but you know what I mean?
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And I imagine that s created tremendous drive in your life now because you re probably so grateful to have health.
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Oh man, I can t even tell you guys like how much, you know, gratitude I have in my life because of all the hell I ve been through.
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And you know what?
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I tell people, you know, you want to live the fullest life possible, make sure you go through a lot of really hard times because it gives you a new appreciation for what you have.
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And most people, they re, they re not grateful and they re not appreciative because they don t know how bad life could be.
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Sure.
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And I do.
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And obviously you re cancer free now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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11 years.
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Good for you.
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Thank you.
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I would love to go in to routines that you guys have.
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To be this successful, there s a lot of stuff that goes on to set you up to thrive.
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What are some things that you guys do in the morning that you think make a big difference, like maybe habits?
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My life has changed a lot since having Tristan, and I ve really had to kind of figure out a new routine for myself.
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And this is something I m still figuring out.
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You know, I m on my first baby.
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So life, as you know, you re a mom of two.
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It s very chaotic in the beginning.
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So for me, I m an early riser no matter what, but I m usually up by like 5.30 in the morning, sometimes like 5.45.
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Tristan s usually up right around that time as well.
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So my mornings are just busy with Tristan.
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I usually have my workout with my trainer.
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She comes to my house about three days a week.
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I don t drink caffeine ever.
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No, I mean, I ll have tea, but I don t drink it to get myself going in the morning.
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It s just not something that I need.
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I m plant-based, so I eat a full plant-based diet and I ve been doing that for like since I was 22 years old.
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I m 36 now.
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But fitness, health, wellness has always been a big part of my life.
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But going through pregnancy, you know, there s a lot of things in my beauty routine that I had to stop or things that I was taking that I had to stop.
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And so I really am like getting back into my beauty and my health and wellness routine right now, now that I m having like a little bit more time.
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You know, both of us are really big on routines.
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I m a perfectionist, sometimes too much of a perfectionist.
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So, you know, we have assistants that really help keep us balanced because our life is so crazy with filming like that adds a whole nother layer to life.
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And it s not just taking care of the kids and meetings and zooms and appointments.
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It s filming is like a crazy, gnarly thing that we have to deal with.
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And him, he s I mean, he is I m so proud of him because he used to he loves sleep.
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And now he s I.
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I do love sleep, but you know, interest rates doubled.
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Things have changed.
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You know, I used to wake up at 6.50 in the morning.
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Now I wake up between 3.30 and 4.30.
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What?
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Yeah.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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You wake up at three between 3.30 and 4.30.
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What time do you guys go to bed?
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Usually we re in bed by 9.
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I go to bed though at 8.30 and I don t wake up at 3.30.
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Normally fall asleep 10 to 11.
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No, 11?
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Are you insane?
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No, we re usually asleep by 9.30 to 10.
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No, never 9.30.
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I ll pull up the whoop right now.
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I got the bracelet on.
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You know what, you just gotta say yes, dear.
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Yes, ma am, of course.
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God, you guys, when are you gonna learn?
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Actually, let me correct you.
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The other day I looked at you, it s yes, dear.
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Yes, ma am.
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Yes, ma am.
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I m gonna deal with the fight.
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So I wake up, you know, if I wake up at 3.30 in the morning,
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Every day, I go straight to work.
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Like, the first thing I do is go to work, I m checking all the emails, the social media messages, leads coming in.
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So, in the morning is my time to actually think and create, because I m so busy through the day, there s no time to actually think and create.
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So, the first half hour is checking what came in since the night before, and then from like, you know,
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Four to 6.15, that s my time to study.
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Like last week I was studying about AI and recreating myself in an AI version and I found a software where the eyes look at the lens even though I m looking to the side.
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So I m always like, it s my research time.
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Yeah, that s his quiet time before.
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Usually Tristan and I come down around 6 or 5 or so and then he has his little moment with Tristan while I get his bottle ready and oh, I go on walks every morning.
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I mean like this, I hate to like be like, oh kids, no kids, we can do that.
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But I do not think it is possible to be, people ask like, is it hard to raise kids?
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It s not easy, but we re not the first ones to do it, right?
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But what I say is,
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If you have kids, you have to do things like you re talking about.
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You cannot get up at the same time in the house and just run out.
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What s that show?
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Was that Shameless?
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Yeah.
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I was like throwing the toast.
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That s your kids are going to become like that.
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You have to have isolated time by yourself to get away because as soon as the day gets going like you just... I was telling my buddy the other day who doesn t have kids.
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You in the morning, what do you do in the morning?
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You get up, you do your routine, you walk out of the house.
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That s not what happens when our kids wake up.
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I have to have isolated time for hours to get away just to get my mind straight.
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If you re not doing that as a parent, I think you re just at a serious disadvantage because you re just stuck into the chaos of the day.
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And you either have to do that, the only time for that is mornings before everyone wakes up or
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late at night when the kids go down.
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And that s the big problem, though.
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People are not taking care of themselves.
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Right.
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Right.
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Like life is overwhelming, especially when you have a family like I m so much happier with that, you know, two hours of me time in the morning.
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And if it wasn t for that, like, I mean, I would be just so overwhelmed.
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And then, you know, they come down and then I get to the gym.
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I leave the house about six thirty, go to the gym from like I get there at like six fifty to eight o clock.
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I listen to audio books on the way.
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I do cardio for 20 minutes.
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I work out till eight or five.
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17-minute drive home, listen to audiobooks, have a protein shake, and then it s zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, then I get ready, and then I go film, then I come back, and normally, like, my scheduled work normally ends around, like, 6, I would say, but then I work through the rest of the night just, you know, working, but...
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Yeah, so people listening, when they hear that time, that sounds insane.
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But when I heard it, I was like, oh, you have to do these things or else the other stuff would just fall apart.
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You know who you remind me of?
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Rob Dyrdek.
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Someone told me that recently.
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He s so like that with his time.
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Brian Holiday posted this thing about you.
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People don t have enough silence in their life.
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And the reason that they don t have enough silence is because they don t actively seek out solitude.
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And it s so true as parents.
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You have to actively seek it out for me.
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It s at the foot spa The hole-in-the-wall foot spa where I ll go work for two hours I ll ask you work while you re there I say can I have two people one on each foot for two hours?
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And that s where I like I literally I ve built my business in a foot spa like I m not even joking you but whatever it is It s the best thing ever.
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It s got to be like
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Real hole-in-the-wall foot spa where you re not gonna run into like Stephanie from high school Do you know what I mean?
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Like what I m talking like I mean Honestly like if you don t tell me I don t know about it.
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Okay.
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No, but I you know, I think I
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I tell Lauren all the time, the worst version of me is the version of where I haven t taken that time to be in solitude by myself.
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You don t say.
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You don t say.
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Especially for what we all do, there s a lot of stimulants.
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I m like, get the fuck away from me and go.
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I m like, go take a walk.
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Go have your time.
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Yeah, go.
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But I think everybody has to have that time.
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Like, I don t think that s an individual.
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I think everybody has to take time to just be alone with themselves and be comfortable being alone with their own thoughts and silence.
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You know, it s without this or this and they get, you know, podcasts, audiobooks, TV, this social media.
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People are just not good, I don t think, at sitting alone with themselves.
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I think that leads to a lot of chaos and unhappiness.
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Agree.
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Tell us about what you guys are working on your new book, Flip Your Life.
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Tell us about all the things where everyone can find you.
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Give us what s coming up.
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Yeah, so Flip Your Life just came out February of 2024 and it s my story.
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I know it s the story of how I got to where I got.
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and all the lessons I learned along the way.
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How did I go from being broke to where I am today?
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How did I get started in real estate?
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How did I get my shows?
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How did I raise money to flip houses?
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How did I get through my cancers, my divorce?
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And it s really a guide to help anyone turn their life around.
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You know, I used to be a chain smoking, overweight alcoholic.
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Yeah, sleeping 14 hours a day.
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That was my life.
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How old were you then?
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Late teens or up until I was about 20.
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Yeah.
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And but no, I was real rough on my on my body until I was about 31.
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A big drinker, big smoker.
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When I got my cancers, I quit smoking and drinking.
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Wow.
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Not cold turkey.
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I just a lot less.
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No more smoking, but yeah, the book is there to help people.
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No bullshit, if someone s going through a hard time, this book is a book that can help with the mindset and help get them back on track.
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And with all the stories, it gives great ideas on how to get into real estate and how to make money, how to start businesses.
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I cannot wait to read it.
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It sounds right up my alley.
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Heather, what are you working on right now?
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Oh my gosh, I am working on life.
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No, I m kidding.
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We have a surprise.
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Oh, we do.
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Yeah, but we can t talk about it.
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I know.
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I wish we could, but filming on HGTV, The Flipping Elmoo says that keeps me really busy being a new mommy and really like getting, figuring out my life as a new mommy, new mommy with a baby.
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I mean, I ve been a stepmom now, but it s different when you have a baby in the house, you know, and a newborn and an infant.
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I am really getting more vocal again on social media.
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I feel like I m myself again.
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It took about a year working on something in the beauty industry.
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It s ready to launch.
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We re just putting all the things together right now.
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And you can find me on my social media.
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It s Heather Rae El Moussa.
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You guys are so fun because Michael and I can really relate to both of you guys because you guys seem like you do a lot together.
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Like you work, you do business together, you film together, we podcast together.
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And you also have to make time for the marriage and the kids.
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There s a lot of layers to the onion.
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And you don t meet, I mean, I don t meet a lot of couples that work together the way all of us do.
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I think you have to be really like best friends with each other in the end.
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Like that s so important.
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Yeah, you have to like each other.
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Yeah, sometimes people will give us like shit because of the banter we have.
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This is maybe not as common, you know, other people in like boring relationship.
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But what I always say is like imagine if you were with your childhood best friend in the ribbing that takes place.
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That s how Lauren, we ve known each other since we were 12.
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Like we say we do things like as best friends and you know, I wish that everybody in relationship has that kind of relationship but
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I think from that perspective, like that, of course, that s why we have kind of the dynamic and banter we have is like, it s like my best friend, right?
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Like that s how we, that s how we communicate.
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Yeah.
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Can t get rid of them.
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Thank you guys for both coming on Flip Your Life.
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Cannot wait to read it.
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Thank you guys.
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Thank you.
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Come back anytime.
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Yes.
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Thank you guys.
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And of course, if anyone wants to buy real estate with me and my amazing wife, you got to check out temcapital.co and hemcapital.co.
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And we talk about it on our Instagrams a lot too.
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I see maybe a podcast in your future.
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We ve actually been exploring that.
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We re the four of us.
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We just take shots and do a podcast.
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I like this one.
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I know a place that produces them.
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Yeah.
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I know, right?
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Yeah.
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Beautiful place.