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 for years, and I wrote a book about how men can heal from the traumas that they've faced and the masks that they've worn to protect themselves, to defend themselves in society or whatever that have hurt them and hurt more people.
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So this is something I feel comfortable with, but I think it might be a shocker for some if they're just meeting me, but.
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 I forget where we're going.
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You started laughing and it was like, I'm waiting for a bomb to be dropped.
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It's not really a bomb, it's just I think back to my childhood self and I just think, man, I would never allow myself to talk about these things because it wasn't accepted or cool in school, right?
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But in terms of having a conversation, you imagine your childhood self in front of you, you see little Jordan in front of you and with all the dreams and fears and insecurities and joy and laughter and this tiny little being growing up,
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 I do the same for myself and that's why for me it's on my screensaver.
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It's here so I can always remind myself.
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Like this goofy little silly kid, awkward, but man, just filled with a lot of joy, a lot of love.
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A lot of love, a lot of joy.
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So I imagine myself, I did an exercise where
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 I was laying down when I did this exercise but I had my eyes closed so I imagined myself standing up and having a conversation and kind of really facing and saying all the things I needed to say to my childhood, to my little Lewis or inner child at five, six, seven.
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And I imagined myself there and then I imagined myself in that position looking up to my now self, my adult self.
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And are you comforted by that?
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 And I had a beautiful conversation.
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I've done this many times and it's funny because I had Terry Crews on here last week and he talked about, he's got a photo of himself when he was a child on his desk and he has conversations.
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So many men have talked about this now, which is beautiful I think.
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 to normalize this conversation.
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That's actually really, really great.
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I'm changing my screen saver when we leave.
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It's a beautiful practice.
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And my therapist now is like, okay, we need to work through phase 10 to 12.
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So he's like, find a photo, and I haven't changed it yet, so I'm finding a photo of me at that age to work on that part of my life where I had fears and insecurities and doubts and heartbreak and all these different things.
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That's really great.
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 So I'm trying to, I'm trying to heal each stage of life where I might've had a wound or a trauma to bring the healing journey all the way up to now.
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And kind of create that peace there.
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But the thing that I did was, which I thought was kind of weird, was after having this kind of interaction and conversation with myself for the first time, this was nine months ago,
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 Hugged myself, you know mentally and I felt like my little child was was right there with me And I kind of like brought him into my heart like through my body into my heart Mentally and kind of spiritually and just connected those moments together.
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That's amazing
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 And it was a beautiful... That's a real moment.
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It was a beautiful ritual, practice, exercise, whatever you want to call it, for me at that time because I felt such a disconnection from my... I feel like I had to block so many...
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 shameful moments, right?
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And painful moments.
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I felt like I was distant from it.
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So now I rewrote the story.
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It was haunting your heart.
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It needed to get cleaned out.
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And you needed to go through those things to clean those out.
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But he had a place to be.
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And he felt safe.
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And now there's an adult in the room.
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And it's like there's healing and there's context and there's meaning from that.
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Anyways, going off topic here.
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So you were mentioning at one point about perfectionism, about everything had to be perfect.
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 When did you realize that that was part of the problem?
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Because in some ways, it drove you to probably creating results and opportunities and... Definitely, because reputation of a really good hard worker, kind to people on set, and in and around the industry.
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 I think that that started to break when I started needing to tell people.
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I'm like the friend therapist, right?
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I'm always the person people want to talk to, and I'm like, yeah, absolutely, I'd love to, let's talk about it.
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I'm not a mental health professional, so I'd love to talk to you, but I'm probably always going to end the conversation with, talk to a therapist.
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Have you thought about maybe meeting me there?
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 Because I'm always going to.
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I think everyone needs one.
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It probably started to break for me when I really started finding myself needing to tell people, you're an idiot.
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No one's perfect.
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 Why would you put so much pressure on yourself to do that?
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It's okay, people make mistakes.
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So you were saying this to other people.
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At some point in time, I think it was, yeah, six months ago, I started just going,
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 It's fine, it's okay.
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Not that me condoning mediocrity is the thing, but.
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You're doing your best in being okay with that.
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And if I screw up, because if someone else makes a mistake, I'm always like, okay.
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But when you made mistakes, what happened?
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I'm like, how in the world could I have done that?
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And I think.
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But it probably wasn't a mistake to other people.
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And I think that everyone else is like, oh, Jordan.
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Because of the, again, we go backwards.
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 I don't, that's what I'm used to, like if I do well, I don't hear that I do well.
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As much as I, like when I don't do well.
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If I was getting notes for a show or notes for a, you know, feedback from an audition or whatever the case may be.
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Interesting.
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And it didn't happen overnight, right?
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So like the reparation also is not gonna happen overnight.
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If it's 15 years of damage, then it's 15 years of,
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 Well, hopefully, hopefully, yeah.
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Short of the time, it doesn't have to be that long.
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But my therapist says healing is not an event, it's a journey.
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There's a moment of realization, awareness, and then it's a learning process of healing, and hopefully it eventually soothes to going away, but it may be a journey forever or something, but not as painful, hopefully.
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Hopefully.
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 So you have a son who's gonna be born.
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That was crazy just now.
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That made my hands sweat.
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Bro, that was awesome to hear.
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That was just so cool.
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All right, so you have a son that it was so normal.
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That was incredible.
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Oh, it's so cool.
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It's still so fresh.
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It's crazy, huh?
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Yeah.
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Your son's gonna be coming in a few months.
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In a few months, yep.
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 You'd be a father seven weeks.
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Yeah Wow dad on Father's Day.
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Holy cow, which is also Juneteenth Just layers.
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Yes.
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How does that make you feel?
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No, you're gonna be a dad It's my it's what I'm supposed to be doing.
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Hmm.
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It's the reason why I'm here That's the reason why I'm on earth is to be a dad.
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How do you know that because Have you read Matthew McConaughey's book?
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 I had him on.
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I mean, I interviewed him before, but yeah.
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Okay.
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Did he tell you about his childhood and how he looked at his father?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Me.
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Yeah.
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Like, the adoption portion of my story is probably part of it.
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 But my parents gave me an amazing example of what genuine love is, what true love is.
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They had really, really bad first marriages.
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They found each other in their late 20s.
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Their oldest had me.
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When she was 16, I was immediately adopted.
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The older three were just my big sisters and brother.
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And I knew that Felicia gave birth to me, but I also, you know, my mom and my dad were, my mom and my dad, Pat and Rondy.
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 is just all over the place.
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I lost my train of thought.
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Fatherhood.
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Fatherhood, thank you.
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Why do you feel like you were meant to be?
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They showed me what comfort and safety and love in a home is, and they were happy.
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And we laughed and giggled and watched friends at the coffee table while we ate dinner every night.
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 You know, we'd go to Blockbuster on Fridays and like go to the park and everything was intentional and they raised me with respect and they showed me how to be respectful but also like lead and to guide and to do.
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I looked at my dad and went, that's a man who has a partner that he loves more than anything.
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 that works his butt off to make sure that we all have a good, happy, healthy life.
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So does my mom, working mom.
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They work so hard to make sure that when we all get home at the end of the day, we're happy, we have what we need, we have each other, because that's our sanctuary.
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We all go off and we do our adventures during the day, and then we go, how was your day?
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You know what I mean?
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That is what it's about.
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That is life to me, personally.
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 All that said, everything that has prepped me for this has prepped me to have that dynamic, to have that, to create that home environment that I got to grow up in.
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I was one of the lucky ones in my family that got to grow up in that warm, safe place.
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I get to make that with a person that I love more than anything.
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That's so cool, man.
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When you have your partner,
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 You have that kind of commitment and history.
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We met when we were nine or 13 years old.
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We were friends growing up and have so much time and so many adventures and different, we've had so many different relationships that led up to her coming to see me do a show in New York and us getting dinner to us now being married for a couple years and having a kid on the way.
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 More coming, I mean, my dream for as long as I can remember is to be able to go to my own home with my own wife, with my own kids.
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That's so cool.
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That's always what I've wanted.
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That's so cool, man.
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I can't wait to have the team jersey that I wear when I make all of the breakfast burritos to take to my kids' baseball practice.
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I can't wait to do her hair for her recital.
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I can't wait to...
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 pick somebody up from their first date.
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I can't wait to meet the first boyfriend, even though I'm gonna hate it.
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But I can't wait for these life things to happen, because to me, that's where all the real, big, awesome joy is.
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And then everything else is just, it's my work, and I love it.
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I love my jobs.
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But I work to live.
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I live my life.
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 Is there a song that you like recently that really speaks to your heart through what you've experienced in the last few years that maybe you listen to or you sing just when you're humming something that has a line or a lyric or a chorus that you're like, man, this is a powerful thing for me?
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You know, man, probably, but off the top of my head right now, no, not so much.
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I mean, I'd love to give that to you later.
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Next time.
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I'll hit you and be like, by the way, here's that line.
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We can talk about it again.
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 Yeah, there's so much music.
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I mean, and that's the other thing, too, is like, if there isn't a line, like, I'm gonna write it for one of my songs that then I can't say.
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But yeah, I think of so many artists probably as where I go first of like, who speaks to me the most, you know?
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Who is that?
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Matt Healy from the 1975, the lead singer of the 1975.
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He's probably the smartest songwriter of our generation.
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 I gotta say, man, That's Just the Way It Is by Bruce Hornsby is one of the most slice-of-life records.
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A lot of people love the Tupac version.
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The Tupac version's great.
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It changes awesome.
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But frankly, that whole song, that whole song is just like a, man, that's life, huh?
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 And it really sucks, huh?
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It's perspective.
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It's a perspective song that I think is a very important one for people to like, especially kids, to know early on when they start to experience boredom as a kid, you know?
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Boredom is the gateway to mundane, and they're gonna experience that at some point in time in their lives.
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We all go through a mundane point in our lives, and kids experience boredom, and it's like the world's gonna explode.
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I am going to die.
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 if I don't find entertainment immediately.
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It's like, woo!
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That's just the way it is.
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Some things will never change.
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It's that, it goes deeper, obviously.
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I mean, we talked about everything from racism to work ethic to all sorts of things in that song.
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But that's a big like just, hmm.
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 he literally ends the song, the way his last lyrics are, that's just the way, the way, the way, the way it is.
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And it goes into this gorgeous piano solo.
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Yeah.
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To me, the expression of that musically is saying that even though that's just the way it is, it doesn't mean that this can't be fun.
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 I've got three final questions for you to respect your time before I get to them.
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I want people to follow you.
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You're everywhere.
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You've got music, art, dance, gaming.
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You're all over the place on so many different things.
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You speak like 37 languages.
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I don't know how you find the time for all these things.
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I'm not a polyglot.
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I would like to be.
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That'd be one of my three wishes.
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Jordan Fisher everywhere.
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And also you've got a new film that you produced.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And that's coming out soon.
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It's got a long title.
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 Hello, goodbye, and everything in between, but we mean that.
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It's kinda just like the way it is.
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We mean that, yeah.
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It's really great, and this was a really good piece, too.
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I mean, the stuff that I'm attaching my name to as a producer and digging into building things are all things that I think that culturally we need to be talking about.
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This script resonated a lot with me, not because of the character I play, Aiden, but because of Claire, the girl that Talia plays.
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I find a lot of my
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 unhealthy planner, perfectionist type A things that just kind of swirl around in here.
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They just kind of swirl.
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They don't really pop up as much anymore because I've gotten really good at just letting them swirl and being like, yo, chill.
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It'll taper.
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But her perfectionism definitely was one.
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The synopsis of the film,
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 our characters clarinade and they fall in love their senior year, but they ultimately decide that before they go into the relationship that it's, you know, they don't wanna go to college in a relationship.
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They've heard from so many people, it's not the move.
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I did that, I ended a relationship in the last year of high school and I kinda regretted it.
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I later regretted it, it was the right move, but I was afraid to lose it after a while and yeah, anyways.
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Well, and I think,
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 There's something to be said about both sides.
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There's something to be said about ending the relationship so you can go and have a fresh start, clean slate, whatever.
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And then there's something about not and it working out.
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You know what I mean?
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Ellie was in college when we were dating and that was, granted it was different.
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We had the means, we could travel, we could see.
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She joined me on tour for a while.
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It was different.
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It's not a totally fair depiction.
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We put forth the effort.
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We did put forth the effort to make that happen.
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Yeah, it's a matter of figuring out
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 what's the right move and how do we know what the right move is, and that journey.
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So it's interesting, because it's a YA rom-com, and I was like, I'm done with YA rom-coms, I think.
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But this one doesn't feel like that.
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This one's very, it's slice of life, but man, it challenges a lot of relationship-oriented things for people.
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 Everyone everyone that's exciting man.
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It's in July.
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It's out, right?
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Yeah, July 6 on her likes Netflix I'll be watching I'll be sharing it and when I want to watch it to make sure to tag you All over social media when you're watching it.
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So where do you spend the most time right now in social media where?
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Twitter and Twitter and twitch Twitter and twitch
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 Twitter and Twitch.
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Double T. Double T. All right, Twitter and Twitch.
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I stream pretty much every day.
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That's cool.
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On Twitch.
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I've never gotten into it.
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I used to game as a kid, but now I like it.
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You're gonna go to twitch.tv.
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Hope everyone's listening.
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Ford slash Jordan Fisher.
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Yes, I got that idea, yep.
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You're gonna follow.
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You're gonna ring the little bell so you get a notification when I go live.
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Every time you go live, it's right there.
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That's right.
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 Ring the little bell and you will be, if you say, hey, met Jordan IRL and he sent me here, you will be welcomed.
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It's kind of like the speakeasy password.
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Like, if I met Jordan IRL and he told me to come here, you will be so warmly welcomed and celebrated by like a few thousand of your new best friends.
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And...
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 It's just love.
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It feels like a family.
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That's great, man.
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That's awesome.
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I'm excited for you for all the things and if people follow you everywhere then they'll see these announcements as well and they can stay up to date on all of it.
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This is a question I ask everyone at the end.
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It's called the three truths question.
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Okay.
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Hypothetical scenario.
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Okay.
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You live as long as you want but eventually it's your last day on earth.
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Okay.
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 You accomplish everything.
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You live the family life.
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You enjoy the moments.
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Whatever you want to do, you get to create and manifest it.
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It all happens.
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But for whatever reason, in this hypothetical scenario, you've got to take all of your work and message with you or go somewhere else.
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All of your music, videos, Twitch streaming, this content, whatever you create in the future, for whatever reason, it's not here.
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Hypothetical.
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But you get to leave behind three lessons that you feel like you've learned.
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 and three lessons that you would share.
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And we don't have anything.
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What a prompt.
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And we don't have any other content or information that is accessible that you've shared before.
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 But these three things you get to share.
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They can be simple, profound, anything in between.
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I call it the three truths.
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What would you say are yours?
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I love it, I love it so much.
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This is one of my favorite questions that I've ever been asked in my life.
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I'm happy to hear that.
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What an incredible, like I have to slow clap with you, like truly.
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You know, you get prompted some questions from time to time, but like the way that you set that up and then gave me, like it really gave, it's finite.
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 This is all we have to remember.
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It's going to be concise, sweet and simple.
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Give it to me.
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Number one.
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Always treat people with kindness first, period.
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Period.
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 Because you don't know if, well this is not as concise, you don't know if you are the last person that they speak to.
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You don't know if you're the last straw on the camel's back that made that comment to them that was just a passing moment for you, but the thing that drove them.
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 to do something horrible.
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You just don't know, ever.
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In the same way that they don't know, and you would probably like for people to know when you're feeling not great or in a bad mood, but you're not gonna tell people, but you kinda like for them to just kinda know so that they can comfort you and whatnot.
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Let's just eliminate all of the other, bleep me out, and just start with kindness.
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Yeah, beautiful man.
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Please wear your heart on your sleeve.
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 Always wear your heart on your sleeve.
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Tell people how you feel about things.
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I was talking to my niece today who literally texted me out of the blue.
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She said, Jordan, thank you for making it so easy to talk to you.
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Randomly out of the blue.
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I could show you on my phone.
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I was like, oh.
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And it's, it's very, it's, it,
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 It's very much that.
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I was like, if you can promise to just wear your heart on your sleeve and express how you feel about things, tell people.
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She said in the text message, she's like, you know, I have such a hard time with opening up and talking about things that really bother me.
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And I was like, I just, I didn't say, I need you to promise me something.
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I was like, can you do me a favor?
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 Next time I ask you how your day was, I want you to pause and I want you to check in on your heart and your soul and I wanna make sure that you are not lying to make things better than they are.
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I'm asking you, my niece, how are you today?
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 and I would like to know that I'm gonna get the honest answer.
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Because when you ask me, you know how sometimes I just like, I tell you things that are just like, TMI, how like, oh yeah, and then I, I felt a little like, blah, blah, blah, and I got a little like anxiety or whatever, but like, you know, ultimately it worked out, and like, you know, here we are today, how about you?
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Oh yeah, I'm good, I had a good day.
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Is not fair.
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To you, to me.
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 We need to make it normal.
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Just normalize the, how are you?
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Good.
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No, I don't do that anymore.
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I don't do that anymore.
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How are you?
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Good, good, good.
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That's always gonna be the answer.
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How you doing?
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I'm good.
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What's the point of asking someone how they're doing?
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What should that be?
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Let's talk about that for a second.
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What should that be?
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How are you?
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 How was your day today?
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That's a good one.
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When I'm in depression, when I'm at my worst, people that love me wanna know how I'm doing.
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Not a surface answer.
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How you feeling today?
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Are you feeling good?
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That's usually the thing.
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It's moment to moment.
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 Something I like to ask people, and I get caught up with saying, hey, how's it going?
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How are you doing today?
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What I like to ask people and be intentional about is, what are you most grateful for today?
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And what's your biggest challenge you're going through today?
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And I think that it gives people the opportunity to respond with perspective on both sides.
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I'm really grateful for being here or my health or I had this conversation or I'm excited about this thing.
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And I'm also,
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 My challenge is this right now so allows the conversation to open up into and maybe there's no challenge adopting that Maybe there's no challenge.
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Maybe it's just all the gratitude and that's great and we can talk about that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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We talk about that so what are you most grateful for today or excited about and
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 What's your challenge today?
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I'm gonna use that every day.
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Take it, rub it in, try it on.
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That is one of my favorite things I've heard in a minute.
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Try it on.
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I will.
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Number three?
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Yeah, so we're gonna always treat people with kindness first.
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Wear your heart on your sleeve.
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We're gonna talk about our feelings.
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Number three, hmm, it's always the trickiest one.
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Wish for more wishes.
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Number three, don't forget to play.
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 I stopped playing when I was like in my early 20s and too big for my britches and finding autonomy and starting to find success in my work and industry and everything took myself way too seriously.
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 I needed to have a certain bravado and air for people to know that I was good at what I did and respect me and successful and all that stuff.
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I needed to know that I was the most successful person in the room and the hardest working person in the room and I needed to know that everybody knew that.
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It's being a three, dude.
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It's the three on the Enneagram scale with the toxic pairing of being a two as well.
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So all of that.
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You're a three, two what?
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I'm a three, two.
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So I'm a three with a two wing.
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Okay, yeah.
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And what's the third one?
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Oh, so I guess,
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 it would make, like the other side of it, like when I'm at my unhealthiest, I don't remember what that is.
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I'd have to look at the chart because I don't remember what that is.
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But I'm a three-two.
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Three-two, I think I'm a, because two is what the... Two's the servant.
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I think I'm a... Two's the helper.
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Yeah, I can't remember.
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I'm a two-three-seven, I think, or two-seven-three or something like that, yeah.
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Yeah, like your main and then your wing is like, this is what you have and this is like your other tendencies.
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 And three is the performer, the doer, the executor.
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I think I'm a two, three, seven, I think.
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Helper, yeah.
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I can definitely get the two from you.
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Servant's heart, you have a real like... I wanna give and be of service.
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It's my mission.
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It's a beautiful disposition.
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But you gotta make sure you're not abandoning yourself in the service of... Man, oh man, you're talking to the guy, huh?
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You gotta make sure you don't leave him.
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 in the corner in fetal position.
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I genuinely, I would imagine, we're going back to it, but I would imagine little me in the corner crying.
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It's the most devastating thing in the world.
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The beginning of that healing is really good.
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Don't forget to play.
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I'm having a kid, I've got a lot of little ones in my life, got kids and nieces and nephews and stuff, and when I'm in town, when Aunt Ellie and Uncle Jordan are in town, we are so fine.
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 We had such a good time.
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We're like the, hey, let's snuggle, watch movies, eat food, all that good stuff.
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But they eventually wanna go jump on the trampoline and all that stuff.
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And I got in the bad habit.
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Just a gymnast, my body hurts.
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I got into the habit of like, oh, if I don't need to expend this energy, I'm gonna save it.
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I'm gonna save it so that I can use it to work and do what I need to get done.
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But the bottom line is they're gonna stop asking me to play.
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If you keep saying no.
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 and then eventually they were gonna not want to at all anymore, like even if I did.
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 I'm, every time I say I'm, oh, I'm gonna cry.
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I'm losing that opportunity.
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When they came to me, asked for me to play with them, to go jump on the trampoline, and not just like sit with a cup of coffee on the porch and watch from the backyard with a glass of wine with the rest of the parents and watch, because like, I genuinely meant like, I have more fun watching.
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I mean that, like I have so much fun, because you guys can go and do and stuff,
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 You're there.
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They'll remember that more than anything.
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It means a lot to them.
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Yeah.
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Don't forget to play.
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And that's not just for like the dad talk.
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It's not just that.
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It's life, man.
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Life.
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When you're making music, when you're writing your dissertation, when you're in the lab, when you're on the court.
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Have fun.
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Don't forget to play.
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Jordan, I've got one final question before I ask you, Jordan, and I want to acknowledge you.
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 I'm a big believer in acknowledging the people in our lives, consistently.
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So acknowledgement is something I do with every episode.
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And I know you wanted acknowledgement in certain ways from your craft and just as a human being with peers and things like that.
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And it sounded like you didn't get that often unless you had a off night, which was probably the greatest performance most people would ever have, but you had a little off night.
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You were a nine out of 10 maybe, not a 12 out of 10.
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 So I want to acknowledge you, Jordan, for the journey you've been on, for healing and being on the healing journey, for allowing yourself grace, for letting go of the perfectionist inside of you from young years to now, for making your mission about being the best father and partner and friend you can be, not the best success you can be.
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I think it's really inspiring to see someone your age with your amount of success, where you've come from,
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 have that mission, especially growing up in the Hollywood world.
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So I really acknowledge you for your heart, for your energy, and your presence.
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And I hope we can do more of this in the future.
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Yeah, you're just a joy.
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I appreciate it.
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 I can't wait for the next one.
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I appreciate it.
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We're gonna have many rounds after this.
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My final question is, what's your definition of greatness?
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Transparency, I think.
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I think that the most successful, great, outstanding, respected people, genuinely, like the biggest change makers are the ones that are most transparent, the most real, the most honest.
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 That's my path to greatness, is just being transparent.
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Jordan, appreciate it, man.
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Appreciate you.
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Much love to you.
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 I really love hearing feedback from you guys, so share a review over on Apple and let me know what part of this episode resonated with you the most.
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And if no one's told you lately, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.
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And now it's time to go out there and do something great.