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Fred Armisen, when I think of Fred, I think of sweet and nice.
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Yes.
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When I think of David.
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Porcupiney.
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I ll get back to you.
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Look at this I got on my phone.
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What s up?
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It s just audio, isn t it?
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I gotta take this.
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I gotta take this.
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Yeah.
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Uh-huh.
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Oh, a million Deutschmarks.
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No, bitcoins.
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No, flip it for Polkadot.
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Okay, sorry to take that.
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Fred Armisen.
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You better get a show on Netflix.
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You got a lot.
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No, everyone makes fun of my phone because it has that.
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So I really stepped into it and just said, no, I owned it.
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Fred Armisen, sweet guy.
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I just saw a sketch of his, I m going to ask about, but I just saw a sketch of his that s hysterical.
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He s got a, and he was in the bubble.
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Fred s in the bubble and I didn t recognize him because he s wearing a wig.
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And I said, oh, are you playing a character?
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I don t know how acting works.
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Anyway.
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Fred is extremely versatile and his
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His thing is music.
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He s a real musician and he s a real drummer.
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Oh yeah, he would sit in on Seth, right?
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His comedy is always very rhythmic and musical.
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What about mine?
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Yours is, you re the king of snark.
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That s it?
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After all this time, that s all I get?
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Didn t they use to call your brand of comedy snarky?
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Yeah, you know, Dan Aykroyd said snarky and I never had heard that term.
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I mean, I don t know when it came up.
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And that was way, way back when I was on the show.
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He goes, you got snarky down, kid.
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And I was like, snarky?
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I thought it was a Canadian word.
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I don t know.
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I like when an adult, he s like 18 months older than me.
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Listen to me, kid.
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He seems older because he was such a legendary.
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We took over Spin Magazine for a month at the old SNL and I got to interview Danny Ackroyd.
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Oh, yeah.
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All right, sir.
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Fair enough, sir.
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and talking about Moon Rallies and all the cool things I liked.
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Fred Armisen.
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Fred Armisen.
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We keep getting drifting off.
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Does every dialect.
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He does every musical style and he s just everywhere.
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He works like crazy.
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He s always in stuff.
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And we got to sit down with him and now you get to, so plug it in, crank it up and break it off.
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Squeeze it, hone it, shine it, pluck it, wax it.
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It s Fred Armisen.
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Here we go.
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Fred Armisen.
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Fred Armisen.
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Go.
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It feels like, Fred, you re the first cast member.
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Are we starting or is it... Start this shit.
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Wait, can you hear me okay?
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Like, is the mic working okay and all that stuff?
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I can hear you.
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Fortunately, yes.
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Can you hear me, Fred?
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Yes.
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Crystal clear.
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Can you hear Spade?
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Can you hear me now, Fred?
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Okay.
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Can t trick a trickster.
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Bits.
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Of all the cast members of SNL, you had the widest range of...
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ethnicities, or whatever the word would be, that you could play?
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Like you could play anything from all over the world.
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What was that about?
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It s just that... Keep your answer to one hour exactly.
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My mom s Venezuelan, and my dad is half Korean and half German.
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So I think that they re immigrants.
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So I think somewhere in there, as far as DNA goes, that s how it worked out.
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You re all over.
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Yeah.
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But you re not offending anyone because you re a part 1% of something.
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Yes.
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So yeah, that s a good idea.
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And it just that s just how it worked out.
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And you know how it is over there, like when they have, you know, a role for you in one of the sketches, you just, you know, try to do it.
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You know, I played Tony Montana in a sketch.
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You know, I don t know if I can do that now.
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I was whenever I do that because I enjoy doing Scarface, the Tony Montana accent.
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I m doing Al Pacino s bizarre Cuban accent.
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And that seems to relax people like I m not making a statement about people from from Cuba.
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it is it is tough if you re just trying to mimic something or mimic a look, which is the whole thing.
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And some are offensive and some aren t when you re just going, I m just trying to do my best to represent that person, whatever that is voice, hair, face wigs.
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And then sometimes a wiggle be counted as offensive or something about it will be offensive.
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And then more and more as time goes on with me and Dana, not not as bad with you, maybe it was a little tougher.
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A little, but then I think it just got tougher as the casts kept going.
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So as the years kept going, that kept changing.
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And it probably will keep changing.
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I m guessing.
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It s getting tougher for sure.
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I think so.
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But I think there s stuff I ve looked up with other, I call them bandmates, your bandmates from, you know, that era with, you know, Line Em Up.
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It was as good as any cast by far.
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I mean, you had Maya, you had Amy Yousef, you had you had Billy Hader.
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Yeah.
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You had you had Jason Sudeikis.
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So you had an all star.
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Andy Samberg.
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And you guys could get away with a lot in 2005, I think.
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Yeah.
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Not so-called get away.
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You could you could expand your your comedy appetites.
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And then it did evolve into wherever it is and get away with stuff and get away with it.
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Sounds kind of negative, David.
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No, but listen, first of all, I apologize my voice is so sexy, but I think I might I don t know what you may have kovat No, I don t I don t know Fred stop spreading the rumor
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I went to James Corden yesterday and they gave me a test, so I don t have it, but I just feel, you know what, I m a hard worker, that s my crime.
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I work so hard.
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Fred, you get it.
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My Christoph Waltz, I m doing my new Christoph Waltz impression talking about that.
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So you re a hard worker.
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And that s when I was in Dusseldorf, people would say I looked like a crazy person on the street.
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And this is just him in real life.
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He s not even, he s like, you re like, you re kind of like him, Fred, in a way.
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Like you, you hit these rhythms, you do stuff that makes me so happy.
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And I, you know, I don t like rankings anymore because people ask us, what s the best?
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What s the second?
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I ll just say you re one of my favorites because
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You never pushed such quirky stuff.
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And even you and Bill Hader s Italian, fake Italian guy, which I love that sketch.
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You re playing it so real.
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It just says the guy eating.
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Like I could listen to that forever.
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But shall we go back to the beginning?
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But Dana, coming from you, I mean, you know,
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Like walking the halls of SNL, you just came up all the time as like the gold standard of how to have like an incredible first year.
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I cannot believe even your first year.
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Oh yeah, he came out of the gate with a cold open and never looked back.
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Once I had the lady, I was okay.
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But you came in as a feature player.
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And also, it was different back then.
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The show, there was only six of us.
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Me, Phil, John.
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Jesus.
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What?
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And of main players.
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Wow.
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No wonder you got fed.
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Six little birds in the nest.
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Yeah.
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You got so many worms.
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Spirit.
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Michael Winslow.
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You fucking made fun of me on Kimmel.
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I ll talk to you after the class.
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I did it once because you re a fan favorite on Kimmel.
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And then every time I did it, they laugh.
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So, you know, I m a comedian.
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So I m like, it s like, OK, I go, I m David.
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I m sad.
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That s pretty good, actually.
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Anyway, back- But David, I did not mean to, also, I didn t want to overlook the fact that you, how great you were on SNL as well.
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I didn t mean to- Thank you for swinging back.
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Just, you didn t want to gloss over that.
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No, thank you, buddy.
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But I will give it up that Data was the gold standard.
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When I got there, he was already crushing it, and then he just- With characters- Continued to mow down, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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We re recording, right?
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This is recording?
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Okay, good.
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Just wanted to make sure.
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We ll put it for your clip reel.
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This is called gold.
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No, but I don t know where to start with you.
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And I want to get to a lot of things.
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I hope you don t have much to do today.
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I have like, I think four minutes and then we got to, we got to wrap it up.
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Oh, you got a hard, fast.
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I have a question for him, Dana, before he gets, before you get to really young stuff.
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He hasn t really answered anything yet.
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We just talk over him.
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But Fred, what are my favorite things that I did not see live, but I saw today?
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was such a great monologue when you acted out you doing a play about how you got SNL.
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Yeah.
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Like a one man show.
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Yeah.
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It was so weird and quirky and interesting.
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And I loved how Dana, he does Lauren s voice in it.
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And of course, he does it really horribly and nothing like Lauren, which is hysterical.
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Like a mafia boss or something.
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Yeah.
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I went to his office and he s like, hey kid, come on.
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That s all written by Seth Meyers, that monologue.
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Oh, for real?
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Yeah, top to bottom.
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Oh, that s great.
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When you do that, I picture it at read-through.
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Sometimes monologues for people at home don t get put up at read-through because they re not even written till Friday.
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Right.
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But if you do it at read-through, I was thinking, fuck, he s got to move around and stay up.
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Read-throughs where you move around are tough.
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Yeah.
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You can lose the crowd quickly.
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Also, Dana or in the performance on Wednesday, Fred would go because you walked off the stage and you went up to someone in the audience.
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Yeah.
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What did you ask her?
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I don t answer, you know, like, what do you think?
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Yeah.
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What do you think?
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What do you think?
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What do you think?
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And she just as a real person, right?
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Yeah, that was a real person.
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And then she doesn t know what to say, so she finally goes, you think I m lying?
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You think I m lying?
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She goes, no.
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And you go, don t answer, please.
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Don t worry, you re ruining it.
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And then you keep asking her, and then she says something else, and you go, goddamn, you ruined it, and you walk back.
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All that was so funny if you want to look it up.
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Thanks.
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But what I was going to ask you guys is where, at Read Through, what space did you go to to do stuff where you had to walk around?
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Because you know how difficult it is around a table.
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Where were you when you had to sort of act something out?
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It was kind of over by Cheryl on the piano.
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There was just a little wedge of a space there.
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Yeah.
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And I did one once.
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I really didn t like to do it because it felt like you re trying too hard.
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But I did one once with Ben Stiller playing Bono.
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I was playing the edge and Dolly Parton had to stand up and we stood and did our little sketch there.
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You know, that was the one I remember for you.
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Did you stand up a lot or move around in the
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I m the same, like I did not like to do it.
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Cause it was just also, you know, three sketches before you re sort of thinking, okay, where do I have to go?
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Where do I have to go?
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But it was sort of over by, kind of by the piano, but in between those doors, there s like a main, these two main doors before you go into that writer s room.
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in there looked like a little bit of a stage, kind of.
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Yeah.
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But God.
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Oh, the entrance to the writer s room.
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Yes.
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Kind of, kind of in front of it towards the table.
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But we had so many fucking people jammed in read-through room.
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I mean, it was, if people at home can picture like a big sort of square where everyone sits around, all the main cast and Lauren and the host.
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Yeah.
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Host and Lauren were by the window.
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I got to sit next to the host when Dana left.
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But before that, I think I sat behind Dana.
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And then, do you know where you were in that thing?
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Because it was like three deep, like people were stacked in there.
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At the table, I was diagonally across to the left.
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And I think I was at the same place every year, which I liked.
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I liked it.
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Once you pick a place, you kind of stay there.
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And you know, for people at home, again, it s like three or four deep and you have every department.
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You have a rep from every department.
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So Wiggs will be watching a sketch like you do, and you see him scribbling going, oh, this is going to fucking suck.
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This guy needs eight Wiggs in here.
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And then music, if you need them.
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Cheryl hits the piano, or maybe GE s in there, and they help a bit.
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But you re right.
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You know what?
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You don t want to be sweaty.
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And so if you get up to do a bit, everyone s like, this better be three times as funny as it was sitting down.
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Yeah, because you ve got to walk up to that spot.
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That s the hard part.
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A five hour read through and everyone s like, what are you doing?
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Cause you re snaking through with your little script and oh, he s moving up there now.
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And now he s going to perform.
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With a ukulele.
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If it bombs, it s even 10 times more sickening.
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Awful.
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Dead silence.
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Yeah, that was, on a nerve scale of one to 10, I mean, where was read-through compared to the actual show?
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I mean, it had its own terrors.
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I mean, you know, it went so long that sometimes it just got, you know, you just get sleepy as it s going.
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Five hours, right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Four or five hours?
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That kind of dissipates after a while, but it s the buildup up to your sketch that, you know.
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Oh, you see it coming and you re like, oh no, and then something kills right before it and you re like, oh, it just fucked me.
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Oh my God.
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Oh yeah.
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I d see like right before it, it s like Adam s new song.
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I m like, no.
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Come on, give me a chance.
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Or something where you think it s brilliant.
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Something that you think is brilliant.
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And then when you get there, it s the exact opposite.
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And that silence is the worst.
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Yeah, when they don t bite in the first joke that you think is really great, you think the premise has been set up, and you get your first thing, and it s less than nothing.
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No.
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There s disdain subconsciously in the room, and then you ve got nine pages of pain.
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Yeah, when Tom Davis, well, no names, but when Tom Davis would write like a 17-pager, and some of them really worked, and if it doesn t work by page four,
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And you feel the whole wave just tap out and one leans back.
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Yeah.
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And you just go, Oh, and if you re in it or if you wrote it and you re like, please God, just go to the next one.
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Don t even don t do this to me.
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Cause I don t want to be like, yeah, just swinging hard.
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And everyone already just said, no, not on this one.
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No, nobody, even your best friends are like, it s not clicking.
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And they kind of were quietly going.
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So Fred, since we re on SNL, because you were on it, so you come in as a feature, and then in two seasons, you go to the main company.
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How was that journey?
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How did that change?
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What begot that?
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I felt lucky to even be there at all.
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Even that first show, I didn t know that I was going to get on.
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whatever it was, I kind of liked, there was like less pressure to be a feature player.
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This is kind of like, it s okay if on a couple of shows, I play an elf or something.
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Right.
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Or you re not on at all.
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That happened.
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That happens a lot.
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Yeah.
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And we had a lot of cast members, so it s kind of nice.
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I kind of liked sort of easing into it.
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And then
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you know, however many, that was like two years later, it was like a nice, I don t know, it s like, it s a good feeling to, oh, I guess this, I m actually part of the cast.
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But it all felt like just a lucky break every step of the way, you know, even, and not exaggerating, even the audition, even the audition, just being there up on, you know, just at the, you know, where people do the monologues, even, I was like, I cannot believe I got this part.
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I can t believe that I m actually on the stage in front of Lorne Michaels.
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I was starstruck by Lorne Michaels.
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And they sit in those little seats where the audience at home sits during the monologue in the little chairs in front.
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And the theater s empty, the studio s dead empty, and it s a death march.
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I don t really know your journey, just to go back a little bit, because I want to talk about your music career and your magicianship.
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I just had a little pop earlier.
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He s a magician and a drummer.
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And then you start, how did you get your stuff together that ended up auditioning?
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Were you going to theater groups for three years or what was that journey from music to comedy?
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I was doing music for a long time, like all through my 20s.
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I was in a band and that s all I was gonna do.
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We broke up and then I started making videos of me interviewing bands and stuff as different characters.
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Yeah, I m sure they were weird.
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It was weird and I knew the band, so it was just a little, it was kind of, and all of a sudden that video, and it was on VHS, like sort of made the rounds.
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And I started to, I would be asked to be on some variety show, you know, something like Cornelius, Cornelius Street, you know, something where there s a couple of comedians and some music.
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And I just started doing characters.
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I did this one character who I auditioned with, Fedecito, like a timbale player.
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It was like Tito Puente.
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And yeah, that one.
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And then somewhere in there, like it fit into standup shows.
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So there would be like all these regular standups and in it, there would be this one weird thing.
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I would just do, you know, do a character.
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I don t think there were any jokes.
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And that was something that I could,
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sort of use as an act.
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And then Bob Odenkirk.
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So I started doing this at Largo in LA and I would do Félicito.
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I did the self-defense expert.
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I did a bunch of characters and, you know, this scene was like where like Zach Galifianakis was, Nick Swardson.
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And yeah, Largo is amazing.
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It was kind of like the only place I performed at.
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And then Bob Odenkirk,
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had me on a pilot for a variety, a sketch show called Next for Fox.
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It was just a pilot.
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And I did these characters and there were sketches with everyone, there was a cast and everything, but I had enough, the pilot didn t go, but I had enough video to send to SNL.
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Did Odenkirk help you with that?
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Because he s a big deal at SNL.
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He s responsible for me having all of that together.
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Before that, I was just at Largo.
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He was the one who sort of made the work that I did legitimate to be on a Fox pilot.
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Sure.
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And he could spot that you were good.
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He s great too.
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He knows all that shit.
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He s amazing.
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Goes and does like three other great sketch shows.
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Yeah.
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Incredible.
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Yeah.
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And then from that video, we sent it into SNL and Marcy Klein saw it.
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She showed it to Lauren.
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And then next thing I know, yeah.
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Marcy, who s going to be on our podcast soon.
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Marcy s coming on, yeah.
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She knows where all the bodies are buried.
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I mean, she really, you know, made sure that Lauren saw the video.
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Yeah.
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And from there, then I just, you know, came into audition and I just did the same.
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Was that like five years?
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Sorry, just that timeline of what, between musician and- No, it s like four.
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It s like four.
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So let s, of
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Yeah, something like that.
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It was 2002 is when I got on the show.
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And then 99 is like kind of when I was making those videos, like 98, 99.
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So yeah, whatever that is.
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And then- Were you ever a straight, I m sorry, a straight standup or was it always like- Never, never.
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You just came on.
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I don t wanna say variety acts, that sounds like you re reducing it too much.
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So as characters, you d go on and do, but that s hard to find stage time if you don t go in and say, I m a standup.
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they don t know what to do with you, right?
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Yes, but there are venues and shows going on that where it works for the show.
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So if there s like, if, you know, Patton Oswalt and Paula Tompkins and Karen Kilgara for doing a show, it s like the one little weird thing at the end that kind of works with the rest of the show.
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So that was like my- Little paprika at the end.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That was like my sweet spot.
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So, so I did the audition as Fedecito, that tambale player.
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And I did him doing impressions and characters.
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So this way, there s like a way in.
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He does Liberace.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I did Sam Waterston from Law and Order.
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Can we hear a one line of that?
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I can t even picture it.
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That s such a subtle one, isn t it?
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A trial judge heard the testimony.
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Why didn t you call 911?
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Why didn t you call the police?
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Well, like this, you know.
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Oh, yeah.
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That s awesome.
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He just has something like his teeth or something.
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There s a way that that it s in his it s in like his skull.
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It s very trebly to almost garbly.
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Yeah.
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I kind of want to ask you, because these are things that pop in my head.
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It s like your musicality and you re all that.
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How do you I mean, it s obvious it s informing your comedy.
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How do you find that connection?
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When I was a guest host, you wrote a really funny musical thing.
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I was watching you just tap it out on some little computer.
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I don t know if there s been a cast member who was really a musician like you were and a brilliant drummer.
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We ll get to that later.
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How does that inform your stuff?
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Or is it just a completely separate part of your brain?
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Or do you think it s just intuitive?
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It was the only thing I knew.
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Being in bands for that long, that s all I knew was music.
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And I did have aspirations.
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I definitely had ambition to be on TV, but I was just in bands for so long that that s all I had.
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I could do parodies of songs or of a style.
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The one that we did that you re talking about was like a parody of just like new wave music.
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The sketch was that there s a Superbowl party.
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They re watching the Superbowl and then they pause it because like, let s let this new wave band play.
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So everyone s really upset.
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And it s really new wavy and kind of like a,
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Yeah, Soft Cell or the Pet Shop Boys or something.
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But it s just all I knew.
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And just the same way that some people can talk about their families or whatever or do impressions for me was just music is like a crutch.
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It s like my only way in.
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It s a big plus on SNL if you can weave in music into something.
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They love it.
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But like your Sam Waterston is musical.
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You know, it s extenuating him into these musical rhythms.
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You know, that s a rim shot.
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And he s like doing a speed, you know, he s like performing for the court, you know?
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Yeah.
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But picking that out.
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It s like you re playing a cowbell.
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It s one of those impressions where you don t know there s an impression and then you do it and everyone goes, oh, right.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Those are good because it s hard to break.
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It s hard to break ground and impressions and just come up with a new one.
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But I think that Lauren is a really musical person.
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In fact, it was like the first, oh, thank, oh, hello.
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Hello, Fred.
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Hello.
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Hello, David.
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Do you mean as an impression of him or as a person?
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No, as a person.
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Yeah.
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As a person, I think he s such a music fan that that s where it was easiest for me to connect with him as a person.
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So for me to talk to him about all the musical guests he s had on the shows.
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Interesting.
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It s such a quick, easy conversation to talk to him about all those music, which I love talking to him about.
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You know, the bands that he booked and it s just easy and he s into it.
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Like a lot of those were his decisions, booking a lot of those bands.
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Fred, what do you think of Eagle Eye Cherry?
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Should we do it?
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I don t know if the year.
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Yeah, I did.
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When I hosted, it was Eagle Eye Cherry.
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And I go, Marcy, why do I get?
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I mean, no offense, but I didn t know who that was.
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And then the next time, I didn t.
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And they go, the formula is big host.
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We don t need a huge music act.
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I go, are you saying I m a big host?
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They re like, well, in this situation, it s a little different.
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No way.
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No, no.
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I like the first.
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I don t want to be the exception to the rule.
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No.
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So, yeah, it s fun to have.
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I always wanted a big band, but
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I remember when both of you hosted.
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Those are both really- Did we do something with me, you and Maya?
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And we were like, and we were dressed like very snooty and I came to your house or something.
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Yes, we were this design couple.
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Yes.
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Like this Danish design.
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So we had all these chairs and the whole job- Everything s uncomfortable.
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Design of the chairs.
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Yeah.
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God, I love Maya.
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Maya and I did a song too, who cares?
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But back to Fred.
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Fred, you re going to get to talk toward the end of this.
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But I do have another sketch I like Dana.
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I m going to tell Fred just to, you know, boost his ego.
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Have you ever had someone zone out?
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Oh yeah, a couple of, no, I don t think so.
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We always have to scream at them for interrupting me and Dana talking when it s their show.
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So you had one called Co-Check, but was that really cut, is that really, wasn t on air?
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Yes, that s a Cecily Strong one.
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That s a great one.
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But they put it online, which is kind of the same thing now.
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Oh, it s great.
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I mean, I wish we had fucking online.
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Oh my God.
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I know.
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Best of dress.
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We wouldn t have thought about stuff getting,
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Can you imagine?
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Nice to joke about best of dress.
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Oh, that ll be on best of dress because it never gets on.
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But she, was your girlfriend in it?
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Yeah, so good.
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Girlfriend, wow, okay.
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Remember when she kept saying that?
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You go, hey, we re a couple now.
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She goes, couple, wow, okay.
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It s so good.
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That was a really weird one and it was perfect because it was pretty simple.
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And Dana, he kept asking for his coat.
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It s hard to explain.
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Yeah.
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I m like, this is not my coat.
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Does this affect the coat I would wear?
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God damn.
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You know how it is.
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I mean, but it seemed like it was working.
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But I do feel like it made its way on.
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I mean.
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Oh, well, the fact that I saw it, like, that s great.
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If anyone can just see it.
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Yeah.
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And I think they put it online the next day or something.
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So it had had its own life for sure.
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But it was brilliant.
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Sometimes dresses are a little rough on the edges because you don t even know the fucking lines.
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You haven t done it since Thursday or something or Friday.
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No, you don t.
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And you re just doing it live.
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You re like, I rehearsed this once two days ago and we re already in front of a crowd.
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It s dress, but you re still like figuring it out.
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And you re remembering the blocking, the air, you kind of go, okay, I know it a little better.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That s fun.
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That s the fun of dress.
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I like that.
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Um, so I mean, there s also, there are those times where you don t quite understand what, what s happening in the sketch.
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Like, where am I?
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What am I in this?
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Yeah.
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Do I have an accent halfway through?
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I did a Jack Handy sketch with Robert Mitchum, and neither of us knew what the sketch was about.
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He was a beekeeper in the Himalayas or something.
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Jack Handy, you know, so brilliant.
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Did Jack Handy stay around for you guys or no?
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No, he was gone already.
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Have you heard about him?
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Yeah, I mean, also, his work is amazing.
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You know, that really stood the test of time.
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It s almost like a fake guy.
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You hear deep thoughts of Jack Handy and people go, wait, is that a real guy?
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That s what I thought when I got there.
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Ooh, your camera went... David, your camera went dark.
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I know, but I m still going.
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David, what are you doing?
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Heather.
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Did your lights go out?
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I have work in the front.
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I probably cut through the fucking... Oh, there you are.
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You re like fading in.
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But your sound is good.
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Geez, Heather just made it worse.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Oh, there you go.
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There you go.
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Ferraricito.
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I didn t think that was possible.
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You know what?
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Hashtag mansion probs.
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Hey Fred, what was your team stuff?
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What was your favorite?
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I know you had the Californians, which I was watching that
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I got maybe three weeks ago and you came in and there was, you did it so earnestly, your guy.
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And it just, I don t know, that sketch really kills me and you did others with other people.
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Do you remember the email I sent you, Dana?
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I do, I still...
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David, you re going to like this.
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This is a good story.
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And I ve told it before, but it s really good.
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You know, the Californians, it s all about finding directions in LA, how everyone talks about directions, right?
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But I had seen Dana, I was with him and we did a standup show in San Francisco.
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And Dana was telling me about his son.
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And he s telling me about his son, he s just like, you know, it s hard to be mad at him because I think he got pulled over or something.
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And he does this impression of his son and he goes, nope, but no, dad, no, you don t, you don t.
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From that, as we were trying to do a California accent, as we re writing the sketch, that kind of came up.
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It s like, no, but, dude, dad.
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And it s kind of, the way that he talks is based on Dana s impression of his son.
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That s unreal.
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So I sent him an email before it aired.
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I was like, hey, just so you know, we re going to do this sketch called The Californians, and it comes from your impression of your son.
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Will you do it?
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How was your son, like, do it?
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I ve done different incarnations of it, actually.
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I m trying to think.
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But is this pretty much all we re going to do today?
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You know, that s him in the Roman Colosseum, you know?
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I like it when young people now say, why are you being so extra?
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That s the latest thing.
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Wait, don t be so extra.
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That s a beautiful use of language.
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But that, I guess the arbitrariness of that, like,
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I think Bill said you got on the soundstage and suddenly you were doing that guy, or was it in read-through?
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It was a bit also we would do at the table.
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You know that moment before you re actually reading the sketches?
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Everyone goes to L.A.
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in the summer.
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So when we came back, we would just start talking like, where were you?
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Oh, I was in L.A.
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Did you go barroom?
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Did you make a left?
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And then sort of...
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you know, built up and built, well, we kept doing it.
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And then I worked with this writer, James Anderson, and I was like, what do we do with this Californians?
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What can we do with these directions?
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And he was simply like, why don t we just make it a soap opera?
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And so- It s such an odd call though.
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I know, but that s kind of like the magic of, ah, this is so corny.
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It s the magic of working with writers that like, I never would have thought of that.
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And just to have someone say, let s make it a soap opera, and then it s done.
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But for for for standups who write their own material for utterly and when you get on SNL and suddenly somebody is handing you something.
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And you go, wow, this is great.
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And it just got handed to me.
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That was relevant story to me, like, wow.
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Or taking your idea and greatly improving it, like, oh, this is so much better.
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So it was exhilarating, really, to collaborate in that way.
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And you go knock on anyone s door and you go, will you read this once, if you have a second?
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And they go, even down, and he goes, you know what?
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What I might do is, at the end, there s something funny about if you just don t ever say that.
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And I m like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then that s all you get.
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And then you go and you figure it out.
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But if they can give you anything, just fresh eyes, and they re all smart, so they re all thinking, what s the best for this?
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That s such a gift, man.
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It s hard to get people to write with you.
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And they care.
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They care about the piece being good.
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So their advice is always the best advice.
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Oh, I d see them.
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If you came off something that someone else had written and it worked, there was like a little quick little party, kind of backstage, like hugging.
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Oh man, crushed it.
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So that was a real high for them.
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And I didn t really realize till later that
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At least back then, at least half the writing staff wanted to be performing as well.
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They were in the writer s box for a while and then they, you know, like Bob Odekirk, you know?
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And then he got out of that.
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Yeah, they were both on ours.
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Conan as well.
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They d write themselves in just little things and it wouldn t seem to work.
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They would just, not that they weren t good, but they would be replaced.
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Maybe we had too many cast members and it was very hard.
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It was because I was a feature player, very hard to get on.
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We had too many mouths to feed.
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And I think that s sort of the norm now, just too many.
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How many were in your cast?
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You were in like different casts.
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I feel like you were, you like a bridge.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was tough when I got there because these guys are, everyone s a fucking, you know, first ballot hall of famer.
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And, and so you got, you know, you re going to do something instead of Phil Hartman, no chance.
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You know, Lovitz was even there for a little bit.
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Dana.
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and Dennis Miller and Jan Hooks and Nora Dunn were both on Real.
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So, and then they influxed Farley.
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Sandler.
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Schneider s a very good sketch guy.
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Chris Rock.
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Chris Rock and Tim Meadows.
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So, you know, it s just not enough to go around.
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It s just that s the way it is.
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But that s your memory of it.
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As a viewer, I never thought of that.
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I was never like, oh, David Spade isn t getting enough.
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I was always like, did you see the thing that he did on Update?
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Yeah, all you need is something for them to remember, yeah.
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Yeah, and then that s like the, yeah, that s the main memory from it.
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Never did I think that- And it s better to be in almost less than just make them try to work, because I told Dana that the first show I came into, they brought you in a day early to watch the show, and Lovitz was all depressed.
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He was only in two things.
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And he goes, well, Dana s in six.
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And I go,
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I said what you said.
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I said, I ve never seen this show and thought someone was light still.
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I just think there s that guy I love.
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Oh, that s funny.
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He s in that.
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Yeah.
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Couldn t even was never accounting lines or sketches.
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And then when I got there, I fell right into it.
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I preferred personally like to be in two things, maybe totally, you know, or a third as a supporting character to shepherd a sketch, even one where you re kind of the, uh,
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executive producer of your sketch is very nice.
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That s why I was going to ask you about when you hosted
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SNL, the difference in that, because you have to really let it go.
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You re kind of in, have to prepare 13 or 14 sketches and then six or eight get cut.
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So what was that like emotionally for you when you came back?
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You did 11 seasons at the time, as long as anybody, right?
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Huge run.
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And then you come back and host and you come out and do your monologue and they re screaming.
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It s surreal, isn t it?
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How did you feel about it?
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I mean, I loved it so much.
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You know, like what a highlight in life just in general.
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But the experience, you know, of handing everything over, like I really was like, I was still in the mode of like, oh man, I got to take care of all these sketches, make sure I write this much.
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And you re doing so much other stuff that everything is taken care of.
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of for you.
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So all these writers are coming up with stuff.
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I didn t even have time to think.
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And then, then it, it just turned out great on its own.
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So I really liked that part of it of just trusting everyone.
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And then that worked out.
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I mean, laser focused on you.
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Yes.
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And they know you, they know what you like to do and what you, you know, what s going to work.
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It s such a big transition on the show when the audience starts to be familiar with you, and I don t know how many shows it takes, but you see people all the time who come on, unknown, and then they turn it, turn it, better, better, better.
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The audience goes, I like you, man or woman, and then it gives you so much more confidence.
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Yes.
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Because you can feel that they re on your side already as opposed to, is this guy going to make it or is this woman going to make it on the show?
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And so when did you start to feel that?
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Like four years in, three years in?
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That s what I was going to say.
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I was going to say like three or four years in.
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I did this judge, what was his name?
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Judge Seidlin or something.
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And something
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He was like the Anna Nicole Smith judge, you know.
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Oh, yeah.
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Something in there felt like I had to work less, meaning like I was like, oh, please, please like this.
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It felt a little more like I could come out and update and it was OK.
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And you re right.
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There s a feeling of being familiar that I really liked.
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But something in there, I don t know, three years or something.
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Yeah, that I think is pretty typical.
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And when you were out there with your different bandmates, it seemed like you, you know, obviously had Garth and Kat with Kristen Wiig, who s a supernatural sketch performer.
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And then you and Bill Hader, just to me, just had a symbiotic thing as well.
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We did.
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You just mixed really well.
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And we see someone new when you got out there and the band s playing, you get there doing your tie or whatever it is, and you see Bill,
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he calms you down.
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I mean, how, where were you on the nerves scale?
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I was kind of okay on the nerve scale.
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I don t know why I just, you know, I just enjoyed it and had such a great time.
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But being with bill, um, really felt like, uh, I was really with my friend, like we made each other laugh so much and we just identified with each other, supported each other, something, there was something in that relationship where it just was, uh,
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really supportive and fun all the way.
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God, he made me laugh all the time.
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I mean, everybody did, but there was something with him that I felt like we were going through, I don t know, the same experience, you know, being there.
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God, yeah.
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Do you have a favorite writer?
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James Anderson, because we wrote so much together.
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We just always ended up writing together.
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But you know.
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But when you re there, I mean, there s so many people who are so prolific.
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I remember when I first got there, seeing Tina Fey s work ethic was incredible.
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That changed.
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Just to see how focused someone could be on writing without ego, that was like a real...
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It kind of, I was like, that s the way to be.
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That s the way to be a writer.
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She was, God, she was so good.
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She can churn it out.
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She can just write great jokes, just one after the other.
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Yeah, I don t know.
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She has some kind of frequency that just, they come to her.
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She reminds me of Steve Martin in many ways.
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I don t know why.
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Just kind of put them together in some ways.
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You know, they write great books and they re
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They re intellectuals, but they don t wear it on their sleeve at all, you know?
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No, there s a humility to it.
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Yeah.
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But it s still effortless somehow.
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They just sit down and then all of this stuff starts coming out week after week.
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I couldn t believe it.
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So yeah, she does.
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But everyone, Seth Meyers is also sort of selfless and works really hard.
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Like he would just work throughout the whole night.
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Were you hired as a writer performer?
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No, I was just feature player, feature player, but you know how it is.
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We just, we write.
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Sure.
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I m just saying it s Dana and I, we asked people because I was a writer performer.
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I didn t want to be a writer and they wanted me to be more than they wanted me to be a feature player.
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And Schneider,
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Same thing we hired together.
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But Dana was hired straight cast because he s such a home run hitter and then, but no writing.
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But that kind of sucks because everyone writes.
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And so it s like, who decides?
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It s a weird decision to go.
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You re not a writer, especially feature because you re just scrambling to get on.
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So you have to write an update or something.
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No one even knows you.
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Yeah.
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We just accepted it.
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I mean, it s really just the platform of being on SNL.
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If you were a main player,
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Phil did get a writing credit because he had written Pee-Wee s Big Adventure with Pee-Wee Herman.
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But I never added that, a prop with it.
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Remember when he goes, I m a bad, bad apple rotting in the gorge.
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That was me.
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He was in jail all the time.
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So do you mind if we go back a minute and just talk about your drumming?
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Because I m just a big fan of drummers and I have favorite drummers and I loved your special stand up for drummers where you just go through at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco and all the kits set up and you did all the styles.
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It was so, so great.
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Did you get a lot of feedback from other musicians and drummers about how
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It s like exactly.
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First of all, thank you.
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That s very, very kind of you.
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And, you know, I love drumming so much.
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It s like the biggest part of my life.
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And, you know, that s how I got into whatever showbiz or entertainment.
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I just still love watching drummers.
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I still love playing.
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The things people have said to me, that was my goal.
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I was like, I just want something where drummers can come up to me and feel like they re part of an inside joke, that they can have a really heartfelt conversation about like, oh man, I m a drummer and I know exactly what you re talking about.
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That s really gratifying.
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That whole thing with the drum kits,
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was just like, it visually looked cool just to have all these old kits.
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And you go one after the other and play all these styles.
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I mean, it s such a singularity as a stand-up special.
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It s like completely its own thing.
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But thanks.
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Thank you.
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I love the way you play.
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I just would call you just very musical.
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You have a heavy foot.
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You re very light on it.
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You re very organic with it.
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I just like to watch you play.
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Some drummers, you can kind of work with them a little bit.
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Like, are they going to make it?
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With you, I feel very relaxed.
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Wow.
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What a thing to say.
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That s so kind.
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All sincere.
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I just wondered, the drummers that inspired you, stood out for you.
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I mean, people, Pepsi, Coke, it s always, for my generation, with a friend of mine, it was Ringo Starr.
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or Rolling Stones.
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Charlie Watts.
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Charlie Watts.
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You have to be one or the other.
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You re either Charlie Watts or Ringo Starr.
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That was back in the seventies.
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And who were some of your favorites?
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Well, my favorite, the guy who I really emulated was Clemburk from Blondie.
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And the first time I ever saw him was on SNL.
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Whoa.
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Okay.
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He dresses like in a little suit, like he looks like a mod.
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And his drum kit is set up like it s like this red sparkle kit, like very flat.
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And so the aesthetics of how he was, I was like, that s a great way to be.
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So he was like, he s like my favorite drummer.
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But to your point, I love Ringo.
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I think
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I think everybody loves Ringo.
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I think there s like a myth that there s some controversy about it.
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He doesn t have a bad rap, right?
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He doesn t rap.
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He s not good, right?
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What s the myth?
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The myth is sort of like, well, you know, people talk about him like, you know, he s actually a great drummer.
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Every drummer I know loves Ringo.
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Even privately, they ll go, no, those are expressive fills.
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He s great.
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Everyone loves him.
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Everyone loves him.
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You put on She Loves You on YouTube, a live remix, and the way he goes to the lower tom, I know he s a left-handed drummer, just this little fill.
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Yeah.
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Like he did these little fills and they were so electric and he gets shinier and brighter just like the whole band does.
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Yeah.
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For me personally, I think that it was such a wave that is still hitting the sand.
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We were trying to comprehend why and how that happened.
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That much great music in 72 months with these four guys.
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Yeah.
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He was perfect for them.
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Everyone knows that sound.
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You can picture, you can hear his drumming in your head when you think of any of their songs.
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Yeah.
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He s stylized to the song.
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When you re playing with your bands and you came up kind of Devo, Clash.
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Yeah.
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All that stuff.
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That type of sound.
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Yeah.
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And what is the... I m doing Devo going... And you re, you re kind of probably a ride the pocket guy with, with, with some fills or you just... No.
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How would you describe your stuff?
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Ride the pocket guy.
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Well, the ride the pocket is a... Yeah.
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Like fewer fill... There s this thing that happened in... Fucking lingo alert.
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Say again, you integrate the fills into the beat.
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Yeah, that s exactly what I was going to say.
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In New Wave and in punk, they had this thing where they would do these busy beats, these beats that had toms in them.
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throughout.
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So it wasn t a fill, it was just like.
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So the toms were in it without a crash at the end of it.
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It was just like that s what the beat was and that s how I learned.
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Alan Myers from Devo played like that.
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So yeah, it was just part of the beat.
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But none of it was complex.
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time signatures, they were all four, four.
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So I m really into like four on the floor, just keep the kick drum going.
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I like the simplicity of that, but yeah, it s like busy, but those aren t fills.
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Can you play to a click track in a studio?
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Does it throw you or does it help you?
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It helps.
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It s frustrating.
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I m like, I actually, I don t think I m great at tempo.
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I think I speed up.
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So sometimes I have to, especially during the pandemic, there was like a lot of stuff that I had to do to a click, but now I m used to it.
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So it s frustrating.
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So for people who don t know, it s like that, that, that in your headphones and on the fourth beat you come in.
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Yeah.
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And it sounds like this on the headphones.
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He s like looping.
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It s just so that you don t lose the tempo.
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You know Lederman over there?
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Yeah, yeah, yes.
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He s like the producer of Love, Strong.
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Do you find yourself drumming, like if you re driving a car, or just drumming with your mouth?
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Yeah, or tapping away.
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All the time, or tapping on your keyboard, fingers, just doing a beat, stuff like that?
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Yeah, a little.
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Me too.
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Yeah, when you re driving.
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I just love rhythm.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What about you?
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Who s your favorite drummer?
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I don t know, I think over time there is a, the most mesmerizing thing I watch a couple times a year, there s so many Buddy Rich solos.
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There s one, I think it s in black and white, whatever.
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To me, his just technical skill is so mesmerizing.
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Yeah.
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And that solo that he does, and he did it over and over again, but it builds to a certain way and he s got the snare going.
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from super fast to like just down to nothing and then right back again.
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And then he s doing all the fills and all the stuff.
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But you know, I was listening to Fleetwood Mac the other day because I have a car stereo that blows my mind.
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And I just go, man, I love Mick Fleetwood.
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He has a sound and a pocket that s so simple, but it really weights all that brilliant melody.
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So I go for the band.
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And it s so bassy.
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Yeah, it s so bassy.
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I mean, obviously, John Bonham, everyone says him.
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I still don t understand him.
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I don t know where he got his sound, like his kick drum.
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The value of that with his snare blows my mind.
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Just the sound of it and how it was mic d.
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I know.
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People keep trying to explain him his style or how he got that sound.
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And I ve heard so many different explanations.
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So I ve heard people say, well, he s actually very jazzy and he plays lightly.
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It s the way he tuned his drums.
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And I have no idea.
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I m the same.
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I have no idea how he got to be that way.
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Keith Moon I love.
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Keith Moon I could listen to forever.
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Love Keith Moon.
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I just couldn t imagine anyone better.
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Who s next?
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The way he is so busy, but it s so part of the music.
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Yeah, he s like a genius.
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He s fun.
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It s like, it s fun to listen to him.
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Playful and fun.
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Yeah.
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David, I feel bad.
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We won t talk about drummers.
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I just, I m sorry.
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Jesus.
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Let s talk about Tinder and how to meet a gal.
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I m looking at his Google, fear of heights, and he feels bad for everyone he s gone out with.
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I think I have one of those.
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So are those your quotes?
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These are my quotes, yeah.
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Fear of heights, I feel bad for him.
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Not anymore.
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I feel less that way.
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I mean, that quote was a while ago, so I feel less that way as, you know, as time has gone on.
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I feel like I m not married, so I feel like I m not nailing it somehow along the way.
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That s not true.
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That doesn t have to be the end point because some people do get married and it doesn t work out.
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So go easy on yourself on that.
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I thank you because it is tough because it is, if you really think about it, it s very hard to sync that up perfectly.
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It s very hard.
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I would say that s true.
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And Dana did it right.
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And that s why I got to deal with Dana because he,
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he s had the same beautiful wife.
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I was a terrible single person.
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I would feel so sorry because no woman who wanted to be with me was carnal about it.
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If they wanted a boyfriend, he s cute.
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And if I was there for other purposes, but I really enjoy
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being married.
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I like having a friend.
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You meld into each other.
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She listens to the podcast.
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Yeah, she s our eyes and ears.
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She s my confidant.
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I run everything by her just because she knows me since 1979.
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Oh, that s so nice.
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And she enjoys this podcast.
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And I go, really?
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Because I can t listen to myself bloviate.
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But Fred, can I... Bloviate.
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You re an emotional character and you re a sensitive character.
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And I remember you, like we all are, we re clowns that are wounded, but whatever, whatever it came from.
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But I want to ask you first, you sent me an email after you left SNL and you kind of said, how do you process no longer being on the show?
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Speak to that.
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Yeah.
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Because like, like I,
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I like the experience of being an X-Cast member, because we all get to go back and do stuff.
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But that feeling, because I used to, or still do, admire X-Cast members.
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I like how they go on to do other stuff.
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There s something about that tradition, whatever it is, movies, other TV shows, I was like, what is that life like?
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And just seeing how Molly Shannon was afterwards, and she didn t keep working on stuff.
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And then just watching your career, same thing.
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I was like, what does Dana Carvey do afterwards?
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And then
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Every year, there s a new feeling.
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Like, okay, I m still kind of there.
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I know a lot of those cast members.
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Then another, I m talking about SNL, right?
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And then it just turns over.
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Couple more cast members.
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And in about four or five years, all of a sudden, it s all new people.
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And you start to see people you do not know.
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And so,
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That feeling, that s what I was asking you about.
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I was like, what does that look like?
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What does that feel like?
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I kind of like it, but every year that goes is just like you re further and further away, you know, from like the actual, you know, the blood, the meat of the show.
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Well, how about hosting when you don t know anyone?
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It s just so much different because you go, I wish I could host when I was on the show.
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And you go, I know how this thing works.
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I know how everyone is and be perfect.
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First time I hosted, I knew a few people.
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I think second time, I didn t know one person.
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And then you feel scared, like, oh, I feel like a real host.
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What does everyone do?
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Who s that person?
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You know, people talking to me.
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I don t know if they re a cast member.
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I don t know if they re a writer.
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How do you handle it, Fred, when people or other performers or people come up and sort of, you know, tell you very, very flattering, sincere things?
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Like, you re in that mode now, I m sure.
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If you run into cast members now, somewhere they would be.
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Fred Armisen, I gotta tell you, that sketch you did and it s all a surreal circle and it s still going.
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And the fact that we re part of the continuum is sort of where the gratitude comes in.
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But how do you handle people just, Fred Armisen, get out of town.
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It s so nice.
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And people are really kind.
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People are so nice about it.
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They say all the right things to remember, all the sketches that I love.
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They love doing deep cuts.
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Someone will mention, you know, a dress rehearsal sketch.
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I love it because that s the way I was when, you know, I got to meet whoever, Chevy Chase, you know, whoever it is, Lorraine Newman.
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I m the same way.
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So I like that.
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I like that tradition.
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And just people are just,
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are cool.
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I don t know what it is.
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When they get excited, it s nice.
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Also, while they re talking to you, they re figuring out other things you ve done or other sketches.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because when they walk away, they go, Oh, I didn t even think that.
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But that s cool.
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Like I just saw your new girlfriend sketch where you played Regina or something.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Goddamn, that was funny.
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Also with James Anderson.
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That was like an intellectual.
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I just like, you know, someone... That s people who don t like to do small talk.
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Like every conversation has got to be deep.
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Yeah, exactly.
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See, like that premise is just so great.
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And it s well done.
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Rather than just, Churchley s out there.
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She s a religious nutball.
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No, it s fine.
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I mean, every era has its own style, its own sensibility.
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Once you get to SNL, even back when I was there, you re going, fuck, every sketch has been done, you think in your head.
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And then it s been 20 more years of just new sketches, but it s hard to crack the code.
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It s like writing a song.
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This is kind of like that one they did.
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This is kind of, I don t know.
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It s hard.
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I know.
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And the game of which cast was the best.
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Forget all that.
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The current cast is always the best.
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I agree.
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And also for every cast, there s always a great enough people in it that you could pick out stuff that is
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is, you know, it s fantastic.
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And I still watch writers.
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They still look at, I know Dan Bull is a writer there.
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That s the only one I think I know, but these guys come up, I watch the sketches, even if somehow it doesn t work.
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I look at the writing and go, shit, man, that was a good idea.
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They did it pretty well.
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There s still good stuff.
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And they probably get hammered right now about it.
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Like, cause like every present cast, people are mad because the old one s gone.
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Yeah.
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But I watch all the time.
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If you can do like, you were kind of like a jazz player.
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I m just using words loosely, but if you can do dry, smart stuff,
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and make it kill with like huge laughs, you know, that s always a real rush.
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There s some things are more rock and roll and more high energy and bass and pushed and some are kind of subtle and a little different, but when you hook the audience on SNL and one of those, it s really fun.
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I got it with Carson.
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That was, it was a very, for my part in that sketch was very dry.
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Did you have some favorites kind of, it s hard to ask people their favorites.
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No, that s okay.
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I don t mind.
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The way you envisioned it and the way it turned out.
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Because the thing is, as much as I could take credit for it, I got to give credit to Lorne.
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That s why it s easy to talk about.
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He s the guy who, on paper, it looks like it s not going to work.
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And he s the guy who goes, let s put it on and see if it s going to work out.
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And for me, it was like this,
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comedian I used to do on Update who had no punchlines.
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Like he just would open up a newspaper and just point out the headline.
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Can you do that on command?
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Could you do 10 seconds of it?
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It s just kind of like, you know, pick up the New York Times.
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He interrupts himself.
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Yeah.
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And it s just him going like, look at this.
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The Congress is going to donate, it s going to have like $8 billion for the Ukraine.
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You can t, what?
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You can t.
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There s no, on any other day, if any of us, and he just keeps going until there s no, you know, there s no, there s no punchline.
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It s just pointing things out and being outraged.
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And then another headline.
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Anyway, I don t, God, it sounds like I m, I don t mean to pat myself on the back about it.
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I feel bad.
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You gotta like some of them, come on.
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No, that s a skilled thing.
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If you try to do it yourself, it s difficult.
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If you can get a weird bit like that and get it to work, it s a fucking huge victory.
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And the fact that they put it on update, I just feel like there s no jokes in it.
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We do give Lauren credit for stuff like you just said.
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that he will go for the really weird dry things.
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Sometimes he likes the rock and roll things.
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He likes a mix.
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He likes big laughs, but he also, let s just see if it works.
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Everyone has a Lorne impression officially.
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What s your take?
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I like doing the one of like the warm greeting.
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So like if...
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If everyone comes out to dinner, you know, there s this thing that he does where he sort of is super polite.
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And if he saw you, he d say like, hello, Dana.
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Hello, David.
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Like a very warm,
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Yes, that s a frequency I ve not heard.
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Uh-huh.
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No.
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Everyone always is doing this.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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And then you get them back.
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But you can t imagine SNL without Lorne.
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I just think he s the... He s obviously the linchpin sensibility-wise.
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I think the Ivy League guys come in and they respect his intellect.
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They respect him as a smart person.
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And he has that.
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And he also likes, you know, stand-ups that kind of shoot for the fences.
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Yeah.
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Before we go, I always, and no we don t have to wrap up because I m having so much fun, but I always like to ask our guests three things.
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Sure.
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Just, I like to put Fred, I d like to put you at like, you know, eight, 10, 11 years of age.
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So a toy, and you don t have to answer, you don t have, a toy that you remember that you really liked as a kid, a bicycle that you might ve got, and any music or television show or film that really rocked your, blew your mind.
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in those formative years.
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So you re saying eight, well, like what grade is that?
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Well, I always say five to 12 is the formative years.
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So like kids, like being a little kid.
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Kids, yeah.
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I had Rock em Sock em Robots to get you started with that.
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They didn t last long, but that really blew my mind, Rock em Sock em Robots.
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I would say, I think I really liked, I had like $6 million man action figure.
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And it had so many details to it, like you could add so much to it.
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Features, yeah.
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You put on little helmets and stuff.
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Yeah, little helmets.
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And then like- And the eye.
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And the eye, you know exactly what I m talking about.
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The eye, like you could look through the eye and it sort of like blinked.
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It had like a, it didn t have a light, but like a sort of lens.
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And then if you rolled off his skin, off of his left arm,
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There s the mechanics of his bionic arm.
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It was really cool.
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And you were like 10 probably.
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It took a lot of imagination because it looks cool, but it doesn t really do much.
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So you ve got to kind of make your own scenarios in your head, which is good.
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Would you put it in dirt and stuff and make a little trench?
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Yeah, it would be like a little, I don t know, like a rocket ship.
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Some rocket he was in, you know, I don t know.
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some vehicle of some kind.
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So there were a lot of things you could get for it that I really liked.
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Bicycle, I had like, I m thinking of the word Apollo.
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I had an Apollo something, like a yellow one with like a banana seat.
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I grew up in the suburbs of New York and I remember endlessly riding with my friends.
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And I was really young, but there was no sense of like, hey, be careful.
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Tell us, it was just- Not a helmet in sight.
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Nothing, we could have gone, you know, main streets, like with traffic and me and my friends would just ride around and forever, all afternoon, right to the dusk.
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Not even be careful, nothing.
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Oh yeah.
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Nothing, nothing.
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Yeah, and wipeouts, you just had to get home, like squeak, squeak, squeak, your legs bleeding.
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Yeah.
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If you can look back in a sense memory way, when you had your, I had a Stingray kind of a knockoff, but you get on your bike,
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and Saturday morning and you start going and the wind in your hair and you re pedaling this bike.
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And then if you go shoot hoops or run around a park or a school, your bike s just tilted over and you go and you get your bike with your friends.
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It s just sort of magic.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And the aimlessness of it, like also being with your friends and you re just, you know.
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Yeah.
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Going up hills and yeah.
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Yeah.
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That s it.
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Just like laughing with them when it s not a school day and you ve got the whole day to do anything.
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So it s getting dark.
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I remember the getting dark part.
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That s kind of like, all of a sudden it s like, there s no lights and your friends look different in the light.
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You know?
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You gotta get home.
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You re supposed to get home and it s getting darker and darker.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The best, the best.
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It s funny that there s dirt involved.
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I feel like there s a lot of dirt, like fields.
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Dirt jumps.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, a park where there was mud.
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Someone made a little dirt jump.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I could do a wheelie.
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I could do a wheelie for like a quarter mile.
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I had a Among Us.
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If you had that kind of a very light chain.
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Yeah, I had a great heavy back tire.
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I had a BMX bike.
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So once I got up, I was a skateboarder too, I don t know if that helped, but I could do Goddamn Wheelie and I thought I was King Koc.
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I had medium dick energy.
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King Koc, was that a doll that you had too when you were 10?
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You know, like King Koc.
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That would ve been a great doll.
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So Fred, also just, I like either TV shows or movies that blew your mind between 8 and 12, whatever.
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I don t know if this was 8 and 12.
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I think it might be.
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It could be 13, there s no hard, this is just a conversation starter.
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For some reason, Planet of the Apes jumps out at me.
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Of the idea that I thought about Planet of the Apes all the time.
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So there was the movie, but there was still the sort of, there was still like in my head, I d be like, wow, the Statue of Liberty and wow, they took over.
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And you know, there were these intelligent- Dude, when you saw the Statue of Liberty at the end, were you like, what the fuck?
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Yeah.
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That was unreal.
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I was like this, no way, where are they?
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I know, Rod Serling, I guess, came up with that.
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Did you notice after the spaceship crashed that they walked across the desert for like 20 minutes having philosophical arguments, Charlton Heston and the two astronauts, and then they reveal the monkeys riding horses.
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Yeah, with the nets and they re all grabbing them and stuff.
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With the nets and the music.
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Yeah.
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That was, you know, Bill Hader, your bandmate, he mentioned his one was Taxi Driver.
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What?
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Yeah, it s the movie that blew his mind.
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He saw it when he was young.
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I mean- I did not.
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Very dark.
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No, I saw it when I was probably 25.
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No, I was a grown-up.
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I was a grown-up writing.
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I wouldn t understand how crazy that was.
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I didn t, it made me scared or sad or something.
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Yeah, it s a world you didn t know.
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Bill would have been like 10, 10 years old or something, but he always, you know, anyway.
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I m like very sensitive, so I couldn t handle those movies.
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Yeah, I saw Taxi Driver.
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It kind of blew my mind.
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No.
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That s Bill Hader.
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Yeah.
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I know.
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No.
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I don t know.
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His voice is so interesting.
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And then he went into a Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood.
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His voice was so transformed because his speaking voice, you wouldn t imagine he d have such a range that he has.
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Yeah, because he goes kind of like, hey, how are you?
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Yeah, yeah.
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It s not enough that I… What do you think goes on in Bill s skull?
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Why can he do that?
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Why can he do that with his voice?
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That he can go that deep, but he talks up here.
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That s unique.
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I think that s kind of unique.
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That s a real physical… It s like there s talent, but there s something physical going on.
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Like something s wrong with him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Cause he can go into Howard Stern like really deep.
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Yeah.
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Like he goes really basic.
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I found that really hard.
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And I felt, I found, which a guy you did too, Obama, difficult for a long time because of the baseness.
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But I finally got it.
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That s what we got to do.
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The thing about Obama.
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You got to stay calm.
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We re going to be fine.
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There s no reason to panic.
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No one s got to do a thing.
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So I finally do them now, and now I feel like I got them.
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But back in the day, it was like so... down here.
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We didn t know him as well, I guess.
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No, when I first four years, I did him, didn t work at all.
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Even his second term, a little more, but I can do him now and everyone is successful.
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We love him.
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He s no drama Obama.
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So he s just, to me, he s just a drama-less guy.
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That s what he was.
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Save the drama for Obama.
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Did you watch any, for music, since you re a musician, one last question.
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What was your first record you bought or the love?
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You mean as a little kid?
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As a little kid.
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I bought Do You Want to Know a Secret as a 45 in 1960.
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You did?
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Yeah, because I Want to Hold Your Hand was sold out.
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It was Do You Want to Know a Secret and I don t know if it was Please Please Me.
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I don t know.
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Anyway, 45.
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Yeah.
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Wait, where did you grow up?
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I m from Montana, but I grew up on the peninsula, San Carlos, 20 miles south of San Francisco.
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And the Beatles came on Ed Sullivan and I went down to this little record store
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I must have stole some quarters from my dad s pants.
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I don t know where I got, I think it was 50 cents for a 45.
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And I remember I was disappointed because I wanted, I want to hold your hand and I saw her standing there.
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But I had three older brothers, so they probably had them already.
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I don t know why.
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I just picture you buying LPs for some reason.
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Later, yeah.
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In the very beginning, we were buying both, but all of us were buying albums later.
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And my brothers were, they were older than me.
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So, but in the beginning it was a 45.
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Wow.
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Kind of hip.
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I know I m, I m so old, Fred.
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I m really old.
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You wouldn t believe it, Fred.
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I go way back.
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Don t let this face fool you.
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Wow.
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So you were getting 45s.
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In early days, and I bought the Beach Boy album with my brother, and we had a band called The Surfers, and my kick drum was a clothes hamper, and my Hardy Boys book was my snare drum, and I stole drumsticks from Mickey Hart s drum store, the guy who was in The Grateful Dead.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Welcome to my podcast.
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What s your first drum set, by the way?
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Like a weird mix, I think a Japanese made, I think it was like a knockoff of a Gretsch.
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It had that pearl inlay to it, but it was fake and cheap, but it was great.
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I loved it.
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I loved my kit.
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We got it used, my dad got it for me.
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And first record, I think my parents got me the Candyman by Sammy Davis Jr.
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Oh, really?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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That s like the first memory of like, I mean, I think I was really little, but I think that s a great one though.
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Yeah.
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It is great.
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Yeah.
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Oh yeah.
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Sammy Davis was genius.
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There s a documentary on him, you know, just, and so such a great drummer and great dancer.
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Talk about entertainer.
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And then my parents would get me Beatles albums during the 70s.
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They were already broken up, but then I d get solo albums and stuff like that.
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I remember Ram.
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Which one rocked your world?
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Ram.
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Paul McCartney, Ram.
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Ram is, that s my favorite album ever.
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Really?
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That s a masterpiece.
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Yeah, I love that album.
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Yeah, it is brilliant.
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That is probably his best solo album.
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McCartney?
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I think he had gems on every album.
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I don t even know Ram, and I love McCartney.
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That s how much I know.
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It s this 1971 album that is, boy, that blew my mind.
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I still listen to it.
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It s like a weird, it s like a hip, it s like a weird, like, country-ish, hippie, kind of, it s an experimental album, I would say.
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And he won t play those on his tour, right?
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No.
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He ll shy about it.
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I don t think I ve ever heard one song from that album.
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Are you familiar with Arrow Right Through Me from Back to the Egg?
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I think that s... It s one of his best songs.
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Because that horn part, the horn part at the end is insane.
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Wow, this is making my day, Fred.
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Because it turns around weird, like it doesn t land on... Yeah.
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Yeah, Arrow threw me.
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God, it s so good.
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Oh, God, Fred, you made my day.
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Someone else knows Back to the Egg and Arrow right through me.
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Oh, come on.
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Come on.
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Jeez, that s awesome.
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This is the greatest podcast ever.
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Ever.
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Anyway, Fred, we love you.
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We just say that now.
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I m old enough now.
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I just say I love you to grow me in.
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I love the both of you.
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I admire the both of you.
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I look up to both of you, and I love hanging out with you guys.
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Thank you for chatting, buddy.
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It s a lot of laughs.
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And let s have a lazy dinner one of these nights in LA somewhere.
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We ll run into you at Largo.
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Yeah, I feel like the three, both of you, I feel like we do run into each other once in a while.
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I bet we do.
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through Largo and this sushi restaurant we go to right near Largo.
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I like you never say it, it doesn t matter.
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Well, I don t know if I m supposed to say it.
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There s no one there.
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If you go with Sandler or Conan, there s nobody on the street with cameras.
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It s just very mellow.
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Great place to have a conversation and hang out.
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Fred will go and Dana will buy.
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Okay.
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Oh, please do.
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Thank you, Fred.
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Oh, I love it.
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And you did the horn part at the end.
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Oh, I love that part.
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Yeah.
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So much fun, Fred.
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Thanks for asking me to do this.
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This was awesome.
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All right.
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Love you, brother.
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Likewise.
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Love you.
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Okay.
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Bye-bye.
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Hey, what s up, flies?
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What s up, fleas?
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What s up, people that listen?
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We wanna hear from you and your dumb questions.
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Questions, ask us anything.
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Anything you want.
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You can email us at flyonthewallatcadence13.com.
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This is from Chris Height, question for us.
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Thank you, Chris.
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If an SNL bit is cut from the show or is passed up, can you resubmit it the next week?
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This is a good question because this... Thank you, Chris.
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You know what it is, the truth is...
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you ve got to be careful when you submit because if it doesn t get on, it s got a stink on it.
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And it s just loses about 30% of its punch for the next time because a resubmit, what they call it, are you resubmitting this?
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It s already got a negative connotation.
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I did receptionist.
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I don t think it got on.
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Oh, because David Bowie.
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Oh, right.
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Yeah.
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And so,
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So I resubmitted it, but got it on with MC Hammer.
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And then I got on with Roseanne.
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But he s kind of, did you get cut from the show or just didn t get it on the show?
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No, it got lost.
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Actually, it was different.
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It got on and made it to read through.
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And then David Bowie wanted to switch parts with me.
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And that s when I said, I don t think I can, and then it dropped.
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Yeah.
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Rough.
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Ground control to Mr. Spade.
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Called me in the hotel room.
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I called him.
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Oh, God.
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This is the things of SNL, honestly.
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Just when I hear David, he taught me how to do this dance move once one night in New York with Dennis and John Poe.
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Oh, right, right, right.
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He is, I don t know.
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I say no one cooler than David Bowie was.
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Fuckin  A, what a stud.
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Nobody cool, just such an artist.
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And was pretty, pretty fucking cool, dude.
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Gave everyone a minute.
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Very nice, charming.
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Likes comedy.
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Oh, yeah.
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Was at my Young Comedian Special, not because of me, but he was in the audience.
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Really?
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That would make me nervous.
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Is that fuckin  bananas?
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Gandhi s in the second row.
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How do you feel about that?
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He s like, I like that Rob Schneider.
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Schneider was on it with me.
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Oh.
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Schneider, Jan Karam, we had a fucking big stoler.
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We had a great run there with Dennis hosting this next fucking kid.
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What am I, Glico?
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Dennis was the host.
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Okay, this next guy, okay.
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Some people think he s funny.
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Let s see if it s true or not.
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This tides into Schneider.
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He was there.
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We got the HBO special that got us
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got seen by Lauren s office.
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If something s cut from a show and you resubmit it, change it or recast it to give it, if a new host comes in, I think Cowbell might ve been cut or didn t make it until Walken came and made history.
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I got a fever, more Cowbell.
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That s probably a top 10 sketch.
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Yeah, I think, oh yeah, that s.
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And so yeah, resubmissions are tough.
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But eventually, hopefully they get, I actually wrote in when Seinfeld s the host, McCartney coming in as a receptionist show, and it didn t get on, so they didn t even give it to him.
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You know what I mean?
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It has to get on first, then they go to him and say, will you do it?
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But it didn t get on.
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So you guys, thank you for your questions.
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