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All right, let s get into the episode.
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Hello.
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How you doing?
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I m doing all right.
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What is going on with you?
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What is your name?
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My name s Bella.
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Bella, what did you want to call in to talk about today?
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I have like a few things I kind of I wanted to ask you a question, though.
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And this is really funny, because somebody in the chat, I couldn t tell if it was my voice or like mannerisms or something.
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But somebody in the chat asked if I was Jewish.
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And I was like, shit, like my do I sound Jewish?
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Are you Jewish?
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Yeah, I am Jewish.
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But like, do I?
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But like, it was just strange to me that somebody asked me that because like, I don t feel like I sound super Jewish.
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But maybe I do.
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Like you ever get people tell you that you sound Jewish?
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Do you take it as a bad thing that you sound Jewish?
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No, no, not at all.
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But I m like, I m, I feel like I m very like culturally Jewish, but not religiously.
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Cause like my parents are from, my parents are from the Soviet union.
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Right.
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Or like originally Soviet union.
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Like they immigrated when they were like in their teens, like before it collapsed or whatever.
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So like, I m Jewish, but like, I don t know, like you weren t really allowed to be religious in the Soviet union.
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So everybody s like kind of culturally Jewish, but not religiously.
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So like,
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I don t know, I m kind of like an atheist.
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I don t really believe in anything, but culturally, I still fuck with being Jewish.
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It s fun.
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So wait, back to the couple things you wanted to talk about.
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Was being Jewish one of them?
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Yeah, kind of because I feel like I ve heard you talk about being Jewish before and like how you heard Did you go to Jewish camp or Jewish school?
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I think yeah, right Jewish camp man.
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I went to Jewish school from Kindergarten third grade then I went to public school, but then I was in the Hebrew school until I was Did the Jewish summer camps did did a little bit of the BBYO in high school and I
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Oh my gosh, you were a BBYO person?
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Yeah, were you?
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Dude, no, but I knew so many people who were, but that s the thing.
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It s like, I was like Jewish, but not the kind of BBYO Jewish.
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It s just a different type.
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I actually got hazed in my BBYO chapter.
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They like- What?
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Yeah, they- well, there was this one night I remember where they, uh, they brought us down into a basement and they made us all watch hardcore porn and, uh, like,
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One by one, they would take us into this room and like drip hot candle wax on our back or something like that.
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Are you lying?
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No, I m 100% serious.
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And, uh, one of our, one of, uh, I think like our parents found out and the chapter got in a whole bunch of trouble, but I mean, good times, good times.
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Yeah, that s crazy.
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I dated this guy my senior year of high school who was BBYO Jewish, and he went to Jewish camp in northern Wisconsin, and he was a counselor, and it was just such a big part of his life.
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And I just remember kind of low-key making fun of it at some point.
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Oh, by the way, I just want to clarify.
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I just want to clarify.
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I just want to clarify.
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I think people maybe in the chat got me wrong.
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These were not adults doing this.
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This was other 16-year-olds doing this.
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Okay, just to be clear.
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That did not happen to me.
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That was not an adult dripping candle wax on me.
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That was another 16-year-old boy.
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I was, I was looking at the chat and I realized I turned the chat off for a little bit, but I was looking at it and realized that maybe that it did not come off like that.
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No, maybe it sounded weird.
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Yeah.
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Um, but yeah, but no, no, anyway.
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Yeah.
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Like, so, so my boyfriend had like, he was like a big part of it and I just like, I made fun of it once and he just was like, so upset about the fact that I made fun of it, but it really is like, you know, a,
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Fucking funny thing yeah, yeah, I mean, it s also really funny like they re Did yous have this that like we re obsessed with shushing?
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Like I ve never been shushed more in my fucking life than at any, um, there s always this point.
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And it s always the most, um, dude, like there s, there s always like in BBYO and in Jewish summer camps, there s always this like one moment where like everything has to stop because a guy is about to say something, you know what I m talking about?
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And then everyone in the most, all of us annoying kids would look at you and go like,
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And it s like fucking I hope your head explodes.
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There s like certain actions I feel like that are just like so to me as a Jewish person like so Jewish and shushing is like such a Jewish thing.
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Okay good I m glad I m glad I m not I m glad I because I noticed that while I was I have not been shushed since leaving the Jewish since the last Jewish event I was at.
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Did you have a bar mitzvah?
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I did I did have a bar mitzvah.
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Did you have a theme?
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I did.
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You know, this is kind of tragic, actually.
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My theme was the Los Angeles Lakers.
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You re kidding.
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Let me ask, how many Los Angeles Lakers games do you think I saw before I settled on that as the theme of my bar mitzvah?
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I m gonna guess a solid zero.
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Fuckin  one, maybe.
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But here s the thing, is I was- I was really into, um, video games.
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But for some reason I was I was a very shy I was a really shy kid and I as a kid I I really it s funny because when I I didn t want to draw any attention to myself I didn t want to draw.
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I just wanted to like be as low-key as possible I think that s what it s like in middle school I mean, maybe not for some kids who were a little bit better socially and whatnot But I just really didn t want to draw any attention to myself, so I m like let me just do a theme
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That is what everyone else is doing because that s I was never and I m not into sports I was never into sports, but everyone was did these fucking yeah bar mitzvahs, so I was like alright.
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Let me do a basketball one We ll all sign a basketball It could have been so much cooler though I could have had a everyone sign a Gamecube and we could have had the Pac-man table in the Mario day It would have been sweet, but I decided to I decided to conform.
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I even remember I you know you give you do the giveaways and stuff Yeah, yeah
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So my I remember wanting to make my sweatshirt as minimalistic as possible.
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It says LRD 12 11 10 on it, and that s it.
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I don t want any like graphics.
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I didn t want any like funny Little things I just wanted it to be very minimal just for this weird thing of like I didn t want to draw any attention There were no girls that buy my my permits for there s one girl and I
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Oh, you didn t get to have, like, your first little dance or whatever?
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There was only one girl.
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I wasn t friends with really, like, any girls except for this one girl from, uh...
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From from sleepaway camp who came I remember my mom like acknowledging that like she was like so there s something I fucking something where my mom had the microphone and She was like and the one girl or something like she acknowledged the fact that there was only one Feeling feeling embarrassed about that, but yeah Yeah, but they re kind of embarrassing things aren t they like if you don t like having a lot of attention on you then it s pretty much your worst nightmare right like
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That s all it is.
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It s just like your name plastered on everything and so much attention on you.
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It s just awkward, I feel like, but I don t know.
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I mean, I never had one, so it was always super fun to go to other people and see kind of like what their thing was like.
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I don t know.
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I always thought it was super fun.
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Here s a cool thing.
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My bar mitzvah, really because there was no girls, like we didn t do a dance thing.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Because it s not a bunch of like, you know, 12 year old boys aren t, they re not really into like dancing to the hits, you know.
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No, it was that we had it at Dave and Buster s and everyone They do bar mitzvahs we had a Dave and Buster s bar mitzvah and Everybody was actually probably really fun because it was the one that was at a good
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go-kart place, and it was actually so much more fun than any of the other ones I went to.
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So much more fun than the dance party ones.
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We all had game cards, and, uh, it was, it was cool.
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I looked like shit.
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My hair was even longer than it is now.
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Yeah.
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I was covered in pimples.
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It was bad, but... Yeah, but, like, that sounded way more fun than the other ones I went to, because they did, like, the, cause, I don t know, I don t know what you guys called it, but here in the Chicago suburbs, we called it, like, a snowball dance.
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So, like,
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You d basically just be like the boys would be in a circle facing outwards.
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And then the girls would be in a circle outside the boys facing inward.
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And then they d say, like, they play music.
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And then when they say snowball, you had to stand in front of the person you landed on and like dance with them for a little bit.
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And seriously, it was the most awkward and embarrassing.
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Yeah, it was so awkward.
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And like the fact that like the boys knew that they kind of had to put their hands on your hips, but they would like barely touch your hips because they were scared.
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So you re just standing like two feet apart.
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And and it s just awkward.
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And there s a DJ and all the parents are watching you.
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So it s uncomfortable.
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And like, that s just what we did.
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And then there was another, like another version of it, I guess, like it wasn t a game.
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It was just like, whoever s bar about mitzvah was, they would stand in the middle of all these other kids.
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And then they d like pick their first dance.
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And then whoever they picked for their first little snowball dance was like a huge deal, because then everybody would assume that that was who you had a crush on.
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And then they d say snowball and then you d pick another partner.
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And then at some point, kind of everybody s dancing, but you d be standing there and you d be freaking out thinking, when is somebody going to pick me?
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And what if they don t, what am I going to do?
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You know?
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You know, all the, like, it s funny.
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I, all those kinds of anxieties that are very, they re very specific to that time period in your life.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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It s fine.
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I don t, I don t think about that stuff anymore because now I m like,
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No one, nobody can, nobody can scare me that much with social anxiety anymore.
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You know what s funny?
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I m thinking about this right now.
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I ll tell you this.
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So in
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Back when I was getting kind of trained for my bar mitzvah, what they would do is they would have you go to somebody else s bar mitzvah at the synagogue to like observe and see how they do it.
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And I was invited to this.
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Well, I.
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So I had to go to, I wasn t invited, but I literally was not invited to this person s bar mitzvah, but I had to go to it because we were at the same synagogue.
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And at this girl s bar mitzvah is like all these kids from my middle school.
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who were like the popular kids, lacrosse players, whatever.
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And I was like scared of them.
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I didn t want to be seen.
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There s something about them.
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It just scared me.
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And so I just kept standing outside of the shul, looking in.
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And I was having a panic attack.
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I went into the restroom and I was just hiding there.
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I didn t want to go in.
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Alright, and you know what I m thinking.
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I want to talk about this right now because I thought I was thinking about that story just now in my head I was gonna tell it to you, and I thought I was over it But dude I was in the hole dude.
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I was in Hawaii for my tour Yeah
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You know a week ago, and I was staying at a hostel and the hostel was having this like booze cruise event and I didn t have anything I didn t have anything else going on.
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I was just there alone, so I was like Okay, maybe I ll go to this like booze cruise event with the hostel and I they were all meeting at the pier and
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And I walked over to the I walked over to the pier and I saw everybody who was gathered at the booze cruise and it was all these like
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Like like early 20s like very attractive people Who they just looked like they were on this like different?
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Echelon or something like that like they were like cool Yeah, pp.
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Whatever whatever it was that same kind of thing from middle school, and I walked by it and I Fuck it.
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I was doing the same thing
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Do you regret it though?
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Do you wish that you would have gone?
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Okay.
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So then the, the hostel had this whole like WhatsApp chat that I was in.
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And then it s like midnight or so.
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Oh, it s the next day.
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And every one of the group chat is like, dude, memories for life remain on that booze cruise.
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I was like, Oh my God, this was so fun last night.
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So glad I went.
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Things got a little crazy.
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And I was looking at it and I laughed.
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I was like, that s, that s fair.
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It felt very like a sit commie thing.
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Yeah.
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Well, maybe the next place that you go, where you find yourself in a similar situation, you should just really force yourself to go, just to break that pattern.
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Maybe it ll help to reframe that in your head, that just because there s hot people doesn t mean that you re not allowed to go.
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Yeah, sometimes, I mean, I have a lot of times in my life where I feel extremely socially confident, especially in, you know, I m in all these scenarios nowadays where like, it s my universe, you know, like I m...
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You know like if I m at like my my one of my live shows, and I m talking to people It s like I feel very comfortable because it s like this is me socially existing in a universe that I ve created you know or if I m like You know whatever something like that, but if I m like if it s like a foreign country fucking nobody It s like I m like oh shit.
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I m like nervous again like I was in middle school, and I think in my head I want to
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get to I d love to challenge myself and get to that point where I feel and some days a lot of days I do a lot of days I can just kind of walk into group people like hey what s up what s going on like I do have that ability but some days some days I don t I want to be able to make sure I want to try to get to a point where I always feel comfortable just approaching a group of strangers or
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Putting myself out there in that way and it s cool because I think spending a lot of time in my own Universe, you know at that socializing with people, you know In my gecko suit, which even even when it s like strangers and I m in my gecko suit.
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It s still still my universe But the gecko suit is also like it almost it s like a disguise of some kind, you know what I mean?
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so it s like when you re not wearing your suit and
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It s like you don t have that disguise on so it s almost like a harder for you to go and be.
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that same person that you are with the suit on.
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So it s like, it s kind of like that, I feel like.
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So I m in, I m like outside of this booze cruise thing and I m like, and I am saying to myself, I m like, fuck, I thought I was like, I thought I passed.
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I thought I graduated from this, you know, in some way.
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I thought I graduated from ever being like socially anxious again.
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But it was also kind of cool because it made me feel like I have more to more to develop.
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No, for sure.
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But also nobody ever is socially adept all the time.
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You re gonna have off days and I feel like that s not a big deal.
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As long as you re aware that you want to do something or don t want to do something.
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Like, nobody s expecting you to go and be social and go to every single booze cruise you could possibly go on, you know?
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It s not about other people expecting me.
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It s not about what other people expect of me.
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It s about me.
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It s you.
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Yeah.
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No, it s not, yeah.
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It s a desire within me to be like, dude, I fucking, like being able to be like, I can walk up to any person, any whatever group of people, anyone I think is interesting I want to talk to, just fucking talk to them.
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Yeah.
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And and what the nature of what I do makes that easier because there s there s like a context to it of like, hey, I m here making a thing and that s my reason to be talking to you right now.
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But talking to somebody who you have no reason to talk to is like scary, you know?
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Yeah.
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But even if, you know, if you re at a hostel or you re at a party or something, I think about like, if you re at a party or a bar or whatever, it s like everybody s there.
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People are usually there to meet other people, which is to meet other people.
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Yeah.
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And they, and they most likely feel the same way you do.
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It s true.
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Yeah, that s true.
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That s so fair.
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That was the most I ve, um, I think, uh,
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in concession, concession?
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That s the most I think I ve talked on this podcast just now.
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Oh, cool.
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I m glad that I could get that out of you.
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That s pretty sick for me.
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Yeah, you re like, you re doing some therapy, Bella.
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Well, I was going to tell you, my mom is a therapist and has been a therapist for most of my life.
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So I think I kind of have a little bit of an edge.
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We ve also, like, we ve listened to your podcast together before.
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Oh, cool.
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Yeah, and she s very like, oh, like, this guy s doing therapy?
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And I have to explain to her multiple times, like, no, mom, like, he s not a real therapist.
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Well, what does your mom think of, what does your mom think of my therapy?
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Um, she, do you remember when you had that episode with that girl and her boyfriend s a therapist?
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Yeah, she s like that.
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She thinks it s not a good idea.
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No, no, no.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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She doesn t think it s a bad idea.
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She, she s fine with it.
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Like, we were listening to an episode about, like, the guy who ran away to join the circus or whatever.
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And she like thought it was really entertaining and I think she said that she liked how you ask a lot of questions like that s what she said she was like it seems like he s really genuinely interested in what people like what people s life stories are and like what they re trying to say and kind of like he s good at reading people kind of what she said.
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But I think she said that, I mean, this is just my mom though.
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My mom s kind of crazy, but she was like, she said that the biggest mistake that most early therapists make is that they spend a lot of time asking other people questions and don t give them genuine time and space to like actually reflect on what they re saying.
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Do they ask questions because they don t know how to fill the silence kind of?
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But, like, she- I mean, but also, like, she s been a therapist for years, so, like, you can t expect yourself to be at this level, obviously, but she was like, yeah, like, you kind of need to learn how to, like, fill the silence and, like, let them sit in that silence a bit.
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But, I mean, like, you re not doing that kind of therapy, so, like, you have- I feel like you have to silence her sometimes.
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Tell your mom I have more Twitch subscribers than her.
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You absolutely do.
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So, you 100% do.
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So, don t even worry.
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Like, you guys are on different levels.
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Well, you said you had a handful of things.
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We talked a pretty long time about being Jewish.
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Was there any other things in your handful of things that you wanted to talk about?
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Like a little bit.
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I like to talk to the chat a little bit.
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I graduated from college in winter 2021.
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And then I spent a few months working.
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And then I actually lived in New Zealand for a year.
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So I came back from New Zealand in June.
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I m actually, I m kind of mad at you low-key because you announced that you were going to New Zealand and Australia and I was so fucking excited to see you.
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And then I had to leave because my visa was over June 7th.
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So I had to get out of the country and then you came later.
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What city are you in now?
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I m in Chicago.
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I m in the suburbs of Chicago.
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Oh, fuck it.
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I ll be in Chicago in 2024.
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Yeah, I know you will.
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I actually, that s the other thing I was going to say.
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And I was, this is a really good, good chance that we talked because
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I low-key DM d you on Instagram about this, but no big deal, you didn t see it.
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I m not mad or anything, but I have friends in Toronto, so I bought tickets to Toronto to see you, because I knew you were coming there kind of soon.
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And I was totally planning on going, but then I got back from New Zealand and I haven t been able to find a super steady job, so now I don t think I can go to the Toronto show.
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So if anybody is in Toronto and wants to buy those tickets, there s tickets available now, so you should definitely do that.
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I think it s a 10pm show.
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But yeah, so I m really upset, because I almost saw you in New Zealand, and then I almost missed you in Canada, and now I have to wait till 2024.
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I will, I will, eventually, I will come to where you are living, and you will not have to leave the country to see me flail around in a gecko costume before your very human eyes.
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I know, and it s gonna be like the greatest thing ever, and I m super excited about it.
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Where did you go when you came to Chicago?
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Went to the Lincoln Lodge, but I think next year.
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I ll probably do a little bit bigger of a venue No shade to the Lincoln Lodge.
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Lincoln Lodge are good homies No no no I was yeah, I just said like Lincoln Hall is also other cool I don t know if that I don t know what Lincoln Lodge is maybe that is Lincoln Hall.
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SPEAKER_03
Is that a big theater?
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Lincoln Hall yes, it s like like they do like live music and stuff there
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Okay, I don t know if I m big enough to fill it, but I m not big enough yet!
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It s not a super big place, though.
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It s not huge.
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I mean, I feel like you could.
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Bella, any final things you want to say to people at the computer before we go?
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Always say yes to things.
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Except if somebody asks if they can kill you.
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Yeah, I guess that s true.
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Say yes to things if they re things that you think you should do.
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and I Don t know you can always catch up on sleep later.
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I feel like people people go to bed too early.
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You can always catch up on sleep Thanks for coming up Thanks for picking up Lyle Shout out to the I Don t know I wonder how many people who listen to this are Jewish that Reno really got it.
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Oh
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Really we re in on, on, on, on some of the hard, hard issues me and Bella were talking about.
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Hello folks.
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It s Lyle.
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This concludes the phone call slash Judaism portion of this podcast and begins.
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the portion of this podcast where we teleport to one of the most isolated big cities in the world, Perth, Australia, which is surrounded by miles and miles of uninhabitable forest and yet
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people still manage to live there, eat food, look at each other, and say words, just like they do all over the world.
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I was on, I was in Perth on tour this summer, and I took to the streets, I set up some chairs and some microphones, and I managed to talk to some people there, and that is what you are about to listen to.
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They re fun interviews,
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So strap in, we re gonna talk to some real life people.
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Let s go to Australia.
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Oh, goodness.
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SPEAKER_03
What s your name, man?
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Uh, Diego.
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SPEAKER_03
Diego, nice to meet you.
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SPEAKER_03
Nice to meet you.
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SPEAKER_03
What are you doing here in Perth?
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SPEAKER_03
Uh, studying.
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SPEAKER_03
Cool.
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SPEAKER_03
Do you live here?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
What, uh, what are you studying?
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Currently zoology.
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SPEAKER_03
Zoology?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
Okay, what kind- what kind of gecko do you- am I?
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SPEAKER_03
It s a test.
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Fuck.
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SPEAKER_01
Green... lizard... gecko.
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you passed.
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SPEAKER_03
Thank you.
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Here s your degree.
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Just kidding, I don t have that kind of authority.
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SPEAKER_03
Although, I don t know, I was going to say I don t have that kind of authority, but how hard is it to be authorized to give out zoology degrees in Perth?
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I feel like it s easy.
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I would say it s easy because it feels like everyone just gives them out.
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It s not too much of a degree-based thing.
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If you read books about animals, you won t know about animals.
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You gotta go and touch them.
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Have you ever seen, when I was a child, there were advertisements all over TV for this thing called Zoobooks.
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Do you know what Zoobooks is?
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SPEAKER_03
Maybe it s an American thing, but there s things called Zoobooks, and you would send a check for like $20 in the mail, and then every week they would send you a book about a different animal.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh.
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That s hype.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
That s nice.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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So maybe, I don t know, maybe you can, you can probably learn everything you need to know for your zoology career from the Zoobooks.
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Maybe.
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Oh, of course.
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It s, it s Lachlan again.
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Oh, of course.
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Wait, crap.
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SPEAKER_03
What was I saying to you?
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SPEAKER_03
Sorry.
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No, you don t, you never apologize for anything.
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Zoo books.
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What are you planning to do with your degree in zoology?
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An excuse to go to places.
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An excuse to go to places.
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What places?
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Africa, Antarctica, the Amazon.
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Oh, shit.
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That sounds cool, man.
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Maybe I ll do being a gecko in Antarctica one day.
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Are there people chilling down there?
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Yeah, a couple of scientists.
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They re bored as fuck.
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SPEAKER_01
How long have you lived in Perth for?
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Were you born here?
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No, two years.
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Moved from Panama.
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From Panama?
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Why Perth?
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Low standards.
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Low standards.
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Why low standards?
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I couldn t get into Bristol.
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I felt that I couldn t get into Queensland University.
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Tasmania looked too boring.
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And the only middle ground was Perth.
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So you are literally here because it was your last option?
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Do ya?
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The politically correct term is people who like to smoke crack.
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People who like to smoke crack.
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You ve seen a lot of people who like to smoke crack?
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People who like to smoke crack believe.
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I also like to smoke crack and ask me if I have crack to smoke with them.
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with the uh... here s the thing i d by the way i d get people who like to smoke crack have your smoke crack uh... i would not like to be offer cracked yeah i ve heard it s very beneficial for your mental health but i am not in what crack crack okay you can t
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they really are teaching some stuff at the University of Perth.
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Where did you learn that crack was beneficial for your mental health?
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From a crack enjoyer.
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He was telling me he had less depression, less anxiety, just overall better life as a crack enjoyer.
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Did he kind of sell you on it a little bit?
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Almost.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah?
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You were thinking about it?
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I was thinking about it.
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It s like if you went to your therapist and you were like, hey, the SSRIs, they re not working.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you have any crack?
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SPEAKER_00
I ve heard of doing something where you take meth.
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SPEAKER_00
You heard they re doing something where you take meth.
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SPEAKER_00
Yes.
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Where the therapy, where you take meth to relax.
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Meth therapy.
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Meth therapy.
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What kind of makes sense, right?
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Because there s MDMA therapy.
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SPEAKER_00
There s, um, like, uh, mushroom therapy and all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
Meth therapy.
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SPEAKER_00
Meth therapy?
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
That s not a bad idea.
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SPEAKER_01
Would you, would you do that?
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SPEAKER_01
Uh, I haven t been pushed to that point.
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So no, not so far, but.
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I am one to... in a safe, controlled environment, I wouldn t say no.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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You know, I kind of think that... Like I said, I get the people on the streets who are doing meth because I... Look, I m a curious guy.
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SPEAKER_00
I like new life experiences.
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SPEAKER_00
I like doing stuff.
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SPEAKER_00
I could totally see myself getting addicted to crack or meth.
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SPEAKER_00
I am no different from those guys.
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SPEAKER_00
I could totally be doing that.
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I feel there s a difference, because I feel to start doing hard drugs, you need to be in a low point in life.
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SPEAKER_00
Sure.
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And so I feel someone could do a hard drug, meth, crack, something like that, and still get out of it if their normal life is better.
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SPEAKER_01
I could be doing crack,
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Or I could be going around, chilling, eating ice cream.
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SPEAKER_00
You feel like going around, chilling, eating ice cream is your crack?
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SPEAKER_01
Yes.
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SPEAKER_00
That s really nice.
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SPEAKER_01
Better than crack.
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SPEAKER_00
It s better than crack?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Say that again?
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Eating ice cream better than crack.
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SPEAKER_01
There s a great ice cream place around here.
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SPEAKER_01
Amazing ice cream.
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SPEAKER_00
Better than crack?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
I haven t tested crack, but
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Hey, I got one.
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Crack-flavored ice cream.
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I don t reckon it would taste good.
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SPEAKER_01
You don t think it would taste good?
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SPEAKER_00
No.
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Because crack is just baked cocaine.
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For a guy who s never smoked crack, you seem to know a lot about crack.
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I ve been curious enough about it to, like, research.
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SPEAKER_01
You know?
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Here s the thing, though.
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What s in your research?
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Yeah, my research.
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Did you find out anything that would have made you want to do it?
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Shrooms.
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But I feel like that s like a introductory psychedelic.
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SPEAKER_00
In Panama, how s crack?
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SPEAKER_00
Is there crack going on over there?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, so much crack.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah?
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Yeah.
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Like more than here?
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Much more.
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And cocaine a lot, yeah.
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Okay.
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Did you ever do any cocaine or crack in Panama?
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No.
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Haven t been offered a lot.
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Okay.
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You know, it s like a, you re like with your friends, chilling, they re like, want some cocaine?
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SPEAKER_01
I m like, no, I think it s getting late, and then you leave.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, so you know when to leave.
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SPEAKER_00
You leave the party right before it starts.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Just before the, yeah, before the good party begins, I m like, I gotta go eat ice cream.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you a party person?
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No.
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SPEAKER_00
What do you like to do in your free time?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know.
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I do have free time.
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And then I go to my room.
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I do something.
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Like, I go to my bed.
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I lay in bed.
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I get up.
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It s gone.
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You go to your bed, you lay in bed, and it s gone?
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SPEAKER_00
It s gone.
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SPEAKER_00
What s gone?
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The time.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you happy?
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SPEAKER_00
Do you like life?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
What would make it better?
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SPEAKER_01
What would make life better?
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Less law.
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Less laws?
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Less laws.
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Like, what law do you want to get rid of?
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Trespassing.
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SPEAKER_00
Where do you want to trespass that this law is preventing you from?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t want to trespass.
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I want to walk.
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SPEAKER_00
Like, into other people s homes?
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Like, oh, the factory.
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SPEAKER_01
Why can t I be here?
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SPEAKER_00
You want to be able to go into a factory?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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What kind of factory?
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I think the factory.
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Any factory?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, any factory.
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SPEAKER_00
You want to go into a candy factory?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, actually, I heard there s a guy who s going to let five people into his candy factory, but they have to each find a golden ticket.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, damn.
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SPEAKER_00
Fuck.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you really want to, where else do you want to trespass?
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Museums.
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You can just go in for free.
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Yeah, but like... I feel at night there s a better vibe to it, you know?
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SPEAKER_00
That s not true.
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SPEAKER_00
You ever seen the movie The Night at the Museum?
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Yeah.
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It s fucked up in there.
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Great vibes.
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SPEAKER_00
It s not good vibes.
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SPEAKER_00
It s not good vibes at all.
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I don t think... I don t think... Look, Diego, is that your name?
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SPEAKER_00
Diego, you seem like a nice guy.
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You really do.
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Thank you.
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But I don t think you d last five seconds
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and that the night of the museum i would i would five no you will not know how you and i would get killed and i don t know because i think everybody that it was hostile charge opinions no one open-minded i m open-minded all my gosh i m a roman emperor and i m one of the capital some kids are you at are you gonna help me or no i won t help you but i will but i won t oppose you want to get some army
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I don t know if surviving in the night at the museum is about being open-minded.
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I think it s about uni, because here s the thing, the guy who wants to behead kids, what s the Roman emperor who wants to behead kids?
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SPEAKER_00
It s one of those guys.
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SPEAKER_00
Here s the thing, he s not going to ask you whether or not you ll play.
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SPEAKER_00
You re just in his way between him and he just wants to behead.
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SPEAKER_00
He didn t even care for their kids.
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So he ll behead you immediately.
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He won t care that you re open minded to your own beheading.
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Or like, as a background character.
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Am I just here to see what s gonna happen?
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Or am I here to play a role in his life?
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Also, it s not just guys.
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There s lions and elephants running around.
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And they cannot be reasoned with at all.
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But I do zoology.
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I can speak to lions and elephants.
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That s a good point.
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I didn t realize that.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, maybe you would survive the night at the museum.
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Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00
What s your name again?
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Diego?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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SPEAKER_01
Yes.
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SPEAKER_01
We need a Bible too.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, like a sequel to the Bible?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I think you re the guy to write it.
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SPEAKER_00
Thank you.
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And in it, you can prophesize for a new society
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Perhaps one to be built right here.
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Perhaps one to be built right here in Western Australia where crack and trespassing are fully legal.
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SPEAKER_00
Yes.
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You already got, you already got, you already got one 12 year old on board.
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15.
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SPEAKER_00
15?
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SPEAKER_00
All right.
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SPEAKER_01
Three more years and it s like, okay.
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SPEAKER_00
All right.
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Start this in three years when they re voting age.
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SPEAKER_00
What s your name again?
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Diego.
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Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00
Thank you for talking to me.
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I was just kind of sitting there because like I Thought I wouldn t go straight off to work because it feels nice to have someone that s really excited to talk to you Yeah, like you you lit up when when I m just somebody coming through and you lit up like oh my god, it s Rowan Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, you were you were walking by while I was setting up and you came over to me Yeah, and I did I did light up I was like, oh shit somebody s willing to took us a lot of the times I ll sit down and nobody will want to talk and
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To me.
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And you seem like a friendly guy.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I m alright.
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SPEAKER_00
I m not too, I m not amazing.
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SPEAKER_01
Really?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, like, on a scale of things, I kind of even out in some places, you know?
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Like, I don t earn that much money, but, you know, I read.
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SPEAKER_00
So like it s, I m sorry, I m kind of thinking of like a dating sphere of like, I have hobbies.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, sure.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, your sexual marketplace value.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Do you, how s, how, where do you think you lay on that?
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SPEAKER_00
Um, like a, like a solid, like around about seven, like a bit above average.
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SPEAKER_00
That s pretty good.
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SPEAKER_01
Do you, are you on any of the dating apps?
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
It s funny though, Perth is a bit of a puddle, so I ve run into the issue with Tinder, where I m starting to circle back on people I knew in high school, and so I ve stopped looking.
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SPEAKER_01
Hmm, okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Because I don t think that s... I forget how close you have to be to a Shure microphone.
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SPEAKER_01
No, you re good, this is perfect.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, this is all good?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.
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SPEAKER_01
Testing, one, two, yeah, we re good, we re good.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
So, I ve kind of circled back on, like, people I knew from high school, and I m just not going down that route, because, like, I used to live
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way further south of here and so I ve moved up here so I don t have to run into those people anymore and this probably isn t helping but I ve just like kind of escaped that area now so I don t need to go back you know.
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SPEAKER_00
What kind of person were you like in high school?
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Just a bit of a nerd.
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Just like a bit of an attention seeker.
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SPEAKER_01
Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01
Nerd and attention seeker don t typically go together.
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SPEAKER_01
Typically when you think of a nerd, you think of somebody that s a little bit more reserved and introverted, but yet you were a nerd attention seeker.
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SPEAKER_00
How did that work?
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Well, kind of like you spend your first part of high school kind of being a bit introverted, you know.
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I don t talk to anybody and then you get to the end of high school like year 11 that kind of thing you realize I don t have that many friends or the friends that I do have are a bit like People that don t shower enough So you kind of like try and step out of yourself, but you re not practiced it so by the end of high school, you re kind of like You re trying to step out of yourself
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But you re not really used to it like right now.
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I m a bit nervous, and this is just like being on camera Like I m still a fairly introverted person like having to step out of yourself and forcing yourself You become a bit of an attention seeker, and you start like quoting comedic bits of people like a bit like
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almost like people who are Really edgy teenagers.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, kind of like a lashing out thing, but not in the same way where I didn t like scream racial slurs Okay, so you were a little bit nervous.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, and so it caused you to desire to seek attention Yeah, I was it was like I didn t know what to do.
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SPEAKER_00
So I just became center of attention kind of person that s how I think a lot of like I
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SPEAKER_01
traditional cringiness maybe is born is like people who are nervous or a little bit awkward, like trying to figure out how to validate their own existence.
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SPEAKER_01
So they ll like make noises and howl like wolves and stuff.
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And I get it, I don t fault those people.
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I think cringe is more of a thing of, I don t necessarily think I was being cringy, I think it s more of a thing of self-awareness.
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SPEAKER_00
Like I think when you say like someone howling like a wolf,
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It s because they ve spent a lot of time on the internet, and that s a niche that they ve found themselves in, that s a community that they ve delved into, and they don t necessarily have the self-awareness of seeing themselves through other people s eyes, and that s where the cringe comes from, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Are you dating anyone now?
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SPEAKER_00
No, no, I... No.
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SPEAKER_00
You hesitated for a second.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, no, I like... You re talking to someone?
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SPEAKER_01
You re talking to someone?
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SPEAKER_00
It goes in and out.
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SPEAKER_00
I feel like I m a bit of a quitter.
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SPEAKER_00
So, like, if there s not the right amount of energy, I m pretty quick to quit.
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SPEAKER_01
You know, I m... So, like, when it comes to that energy, being a quitter, when it comes to relationships, or to jobs, or to things like that, I m wondering that you could make arguments for and against that, and you could be right for both of them, because if a relationship is not working and making you happy off the bat, or a job is not working for you off the bat, then, you know, why stay?
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SPEAKER_00
Oh yeah, I mean like my resume looks like shit because I ve had a bunch of different jobs.
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SPEAKER_00
Just a month at each place?
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SPEAKER_00
Oh yeah, I used to be like a trade assistant so like I was just bouncing around different places in Rockingham and Kwinana, you know?
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SPEAKER_00
So yeah, my resume looks like shit but I think when it comes to dating it s like just it s it is a bit of a throwing darts at a dartboard and like the minute I start like feeling like the energy is not there which I suppose you re meant to like give it a second
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SPEAKER_01
you could you could really argue either way on that because like I Don t know some people maybe they ll stay in a relationship for a little bit too long.
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SPEAKER_01
Just trying to make it work, but you hmm I don t know this is it s a really complicated thing because some people could argue that you need to put in work to make things work and other people would argue that if it s right, it s right, maybe it s also I just hate gambling
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SPEAKER_00
I m not I m not a big sunk cost fallacy person.
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SPEAKER_00
It s just the minute the minute this is not it.
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SPEAKER_00
I m like Scratchy s never been my thing or like the poker slots.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve never liked gambling So maybe I just kind of trail that along everything, you know, what is your thing?
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SPEAKER_01
What do you what do you do?
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SPEAKER_00
What makes you tick?
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SPEAKER_00
Oh at the moment, it s Warhammer like 40k
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SPEAKER_00
Is that a board game?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s almost like... Do you know the old World War II simulation games where people would have a bunch of green men and they d roll dice?
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SPEAKER_00
I know Call of Duty.
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, yeah, it d be kind of like an RTS that you play like turn-based kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
It s, it s like real nerd shit.
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SPEAKER_01
It s like a... Is, uh, like, do you, on your Tinder profile?
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SPEAKER_01
No.
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SPEAKER_01
You don t mention that?
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SPEAKER_00
No, this is like, that s like a deep stave.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I m only saying it now because you seem like a nice person.
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SPEAKER_01
See, I actually, I, can I, I don t, I try not to give unsolicited advice too often.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah?
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SPEAKER_01
Can I give you unsolicited advice?
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SPEAKER_00
Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01
I think the thing that you think is the deep thing, you open with it.
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SPEAKER_01
I think it would save you a lot more time.
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SPEAKER_01
Because if you re waiting until the third date to show her your closet full of Warhammer figures, that s a waste of time.
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SPEAKER_01
You should open with the closet.
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SPEAKER_01
first picture on tinder not even you in it just oh yeah just the closet of the warhammer yeah yeah because then look here s the thing you re gonna get a lot of you re gonna get a lot of swipe lefts right but you re gonna get the right kind of quality quality quality and that s the thing with relationships i mean you only need one person for it to work you can have you can have literally
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SPEAKER_00
Every single woman in the world despise you except for one and you re good Yeah, and then you build a little fort and you like you you set up on a hill well-defended position Then everyone else that despises you can t get close anymore because you ve got a well defenders position a bit of a Martin Bailey situation Yeah, and then you re you re playing Warhammer in real life exactly ending your tower except then you re just committing a bit of a slaughter.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh
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SPEAKER_01
What s life in Perth like?
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SPEAKER_00
It s a bit boring.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, why?
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SPEAKER_00
On a weekday, there s not really much you can do.
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SPEAKER_00
But that being said, if you ve got a car, plenty of things you can do.
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SPEAKER_00
You go on a hike.
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SPEAKER_00
But it s not exactly like Sydney or Melbourne, where you just go into the city, go to a bunch of bookshops, that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00
Because everything in Perth is kind of a chain.
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SPEAKER_00
Perth isn t super independent, whereas Frio is a bit wanky.
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SPEAKER_01
Now, Perth is the most isolated city in the world, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Is that true?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Does it feel isolated?
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SPEAKER_00
Yes.
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SPEAKER_00
Recently, the band Otoboke Beaver, a Japanese punk band, has come to Australia, but they re only doing East Coast shows.
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SPEAKER_00
And that s very common.
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SPEAKER_00
Like, it s super common.
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SPEAKER_01
Not for your boy, it s not.
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SPEAKER_00
Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01
Doing a show, I came all the way here.
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, I fucking, I think there s like... I think I sold, like, 200-something tickets in Perth.
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SPEAKER_01
Damn.
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SPEAKER_01
Right?
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SPEAKER_01
I m like, who the fuck in Perth?
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SPEAKER_01
Who the fuck in this random city on the coast of Australia is coming to see me do this?
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SPEAKER_00
Well, to be fair, because there s not much going on,
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, there s like a there is like a decent amount of people that just spend a lot of time online Yeah, so like I do go to concerts like um When I was 18, I went to ninja sex party.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, okay They came to Perth and like that was like a fully packed thing and I wouldn t have expected that but it s just kind of like this there s not much to do in Perth aside from being an alcoholic sometimes which is
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SPEAKER_00
So the entirety of Western Australia spans the biggest state in the entire country.
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SPEAKER_00
So people will come from all around.
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SPEAKER_00
But the further you go out, the more likely it is your hobby is revolving around the internet or killing cows.
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SPEAKER_02
Killing cows?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Recreationally or to create meat?
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SPEAKER_00
I m just thinking farming.
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SPEAKER_02
Is farming a hobby or is it like a... I mean, they do that everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, well, my friend s mother owns a, what do you call it, a rescue.
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SPEAKER_00
And recently they had to put down a cow because it had like cow cancer.
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SPEAKER_00
Because it was that old that it had cow cancer.
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SPEAKER_00
And like it was this thing that weighed like two tons, two metric.
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SPEAKER_00
And a dairy farmer had to come through from the local and bring a rifle and gun it down.
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SPEAKER_02
All right, so you should both, here s what I think.
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SPEAKER_02
You open on the Tinder profile, you open with the closet of Warhammer figures, and then first date, you open with the story about your friend s mom killing a cow with cancer.
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SPEAKER_02
And that way, and if she s still there, she s the one.
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SPEAKER_00
But I think at the same time coming off a bit too strong immediately and someone staying around with that is I don t know if I agree with that.
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SPEAKER_00
You could say something about them.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, because like if I m Immediately like I love you.
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SPEAKER_00
I love you.
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SPEAKER_00
My friend s dead cow And you re like that s a really cool thing to bring up on the first date.
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SPEAKER_00
I love that.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I don t necessarily Know that I want to stay with that person.
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SPEAKER_00
So I think like I
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SPEAKER_00
necessarily you still need to be a little timid.
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SPEAKER_02
But look, you and I both know, in the most isolated city in the world, can you be that picky?
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SPEAKER_00
No, it s a puddle.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s a puddle.
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SPEAKER_02
What do you, where do you, so when I first talked to you, you were on your way to work?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Where do you work?
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SPEAKER_00
Down in Coburn, a warehousing place.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
What do you, what do you, what do you, what do you house?
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SPEAKER_00
All the fresh produce for coals around the state.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay.
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SPEAKER_02
I was wondering how you guys like get food here and shit.
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SPEAKER_02
I m so dumb, dude.
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SPEAKER_02
Do you want to hear how dumb I am?
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SPEAKER_02
I saw
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SPEAKER_02
Like, all right, so I literally just got here.
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SPEAKER_02
I got here less than 24 hours ago.
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SPEAKER_02
And when I go to a new place, I m so dumb that everything I see, no matter what it is, I m like, oh, they do that here.
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SPEAKER_02
So I saw this girl at the park take a can of Red Bull and pour it into a bottle of chocolate milk.
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And I was like, Oh, cool.
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SPEAKER_02
They do that here.
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SPEAKER_02
This is that s like an Australian thing.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, no respect, but I think that might be an American thing.
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SPEAKER_00
I think I m definitely like, I talk to Americans online and that definitely seems like an American thing.
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SPEAKER_02
What do you Australian, what do you, what do you, what do you guys think of America here?
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SPEAKER_02
What s the American image?
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SPEAKER_00
Um, a bit shit.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
A bit shit.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like, um, I mean, like, it s not as bad as like Americans in Europe.
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SPEAKER_00
Europeans hate Americans.
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SPEAKER_02
They do.
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SPEAKER_02
I did this all over Europe and they hate America.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
They don t think highly.
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SPEAKER_00
But it s like a light British seasoning of kind of like, not hatred for America, but like those dumb yanks and their stupid imperial system.
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SPEAKER_02
You guys got it cool down here because you re just all the way over there.
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SPEAKER_02
So people, you get to just observe the rest of the world as it does its thing.
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SPEAKER_02
And you re like the fly on the wall of the world.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_00
The only thing is because the internet is so strong nowadays, culture is a bit different here.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_00
I used to think Australia was about 10 years behind the curve on everything till about the Y2K era and onwards, where as smartphones came out, culture has just kept eye to eye with America and Australia kind of thing, where you see people around here dress kind of the same way they would in America.
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SPEAKER_00
of like, you know, the baggy jeans and like the shirt.
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SPEAKER_00
like the Carhartt jackets.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve seen Carhartt way more in the last two years than I ever have in my entire life.
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SPEAKER_00
I didn t even know it was a brand until two years ago.
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SPEAKER_00
What is it?
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SPEAKER_00
Carhartt.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve never heard of that in my life.
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SPEAKER_00
Never heard of Carhartt?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, Carhartt.
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SPEAKER_02
It might be the way I m saying it.
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SPEAKER_02
I ve never heard of it.
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SPEAKER_02
There s not even anything that you re saying that sounds like it s close to that.
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SPEAKER_00
No, that s fair, that s fair.
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SPEAKER_02
What makes you happy?
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SPEAKER_00
Ooh, a good book.
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SPEAKER_00
A good book?
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SPEAKER_00
A good book, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, what s the last good book you ve read?
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SPEAKER_02
Are you gonna pull out a book?
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SPEAKER_02
This man, by the way, has a green backpack.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know if you can see it on the camera.
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SPEAKER_02
But, oh, let me see.
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SPEAKER_02
Let me see this book.
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SPEAKER_02
What we got here?
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SPEAKER_02
The Root of Wild Matter.
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SPEAKER_02
The Root of Wild Matter.
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SPEAKER_02
It s a chasing the history, mystery, and lore of the Persian carpet.
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SPEAKER_02
You re...
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SPEAKER_02
I think someone just farted on you.
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SPEAKER_02
Someone just farted on me?
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SPEAKER_02
I think someone just lifted their leg and turned on you.
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SPEAKER_02
That went that way, but they re gone now.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, well.
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SPEAKER_02
Good.
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SPEAKER_02
See, they do that here.
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SPEAKER_01
It s a blessing.
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SPEAKER_02
It s a little crying kid.
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SPEAKER_02
See, I don t know anything about Australia.
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SPEAKER_02
So in that moment, you could have told me, like, oh, that s a blessing.
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SPEAKER_02
That means that they like you.
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SPEAKER_02
It s good luck.
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SPEAKER_02
You could have told me it s good luck when somebody in Australia farts on you and I would have been like, oh shit, hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Part of my face right now.
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SPEAKER_00
I think if I wasn t to lie to you, the one thing you should probably know is when people say, how you goin , that just means hi.
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SPEAKER_00
How you goin ?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, when people just say, how you goin , they don t actually want you to answer.
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SPEAKER_00
Like, you have to extend the conversation to tell them how you goin .
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SPEAKER_00
That s everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01
That s everywhere?
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SPEAKER_01
That s everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01
That s everywhere?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, I thought that was just like a... But how you goin , um...
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SPEAKER_02
That sounds like a nervous person combining the phrase, how are you doing?
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
And how is it going?
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, half the half the dialectics of Australian.
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SPEAKER_02
OK, you re reading an entire book about.
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SPEAKER_00
Yes.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Persian carpet.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
So I got really into like like Afghan war rugs about like three months ago.
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SPEAKER_00
And I ordered this book immediately after that because I read through the Wikipedia page for Afghan carpets and I went down a bit of a rabbit hole about them.
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SPEAKER_00
And so this is just a book about like exploring Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and that kind of places about like the carpet trade there.
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SPEAKER_02
This should be the second page.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, this should be the second thing.
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SPEAKER_02
I m currently reading a 200-plus page book about carpets.
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SPEAKER_02
It s a very good book.
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SPEAKER_02
Actually, I was reading... No, actually, I m looking into it, and it looks like it s a travelogue.
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SPEAKER_02
It s not just about... It s not just...
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SPEAKER_02
200 pages of carpet facts.
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SPEAKER_00
It s got, yeah, it s got chapters that are like purely factual and then other chapters where like he talks about going into I think like an Iranian hotel or something and in the lobby the guy turns on the TV and he was watching like porn previously and it comes up like a bunch of German women playing basketball naked and it s like a little gag in there and he s like, oh my god, those Pakistani workers.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, wow.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, wow.
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SPEAKER_00
There s a lot to learn in this.
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SPEAKER_00
There s little excerpts about the poet Havez.
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SPEAKER_00
Who?
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SPEAKER_00
Havez.
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SPEAKER_00
He s a poet from, I think, a while ago that I don t remember.
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SPEAKER_00
And, like, apparently it s a tradition in some countries to, like, at the start of the day, open one of Havez s books of poetry to a certain page or, like, a random page.
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SPEAKER_00
And that s, like, your initiation for the day kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_02
Do you know any of his poems by heart?
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SPEAKER_00
No.
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SPEAKER_00
The one I ve been stuck on recently is The Words You Speak of the House You Live In.
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SPEAKER_00
What s the thesis of that?
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SPEAKER_00
The things you say are who you become.
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SPEAKER_00
Your words are quite powerful and what you say is what you mean and what you become.
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SPEAKER_00
It s a bit like what you eat is who you are.
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SPEAKER_00
What you eat is who you are?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I hope not.
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SPEAKER_00
Or like whatever your mom used to say when you were younger.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, you are what you eat.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, sorry.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Terrible.
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SPEAKER_00
I m terrible with sayings.
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SPEAKER_02
Hey, you know, um, Hungry Jack s?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
That s just Burger King, isn t it?
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
I thought it was a different thing.
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SPEAKER_00
No, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_00
Burger King s like really different all over the world, I found.
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SPEAKER_02
So you were talking about poetry for a while?
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SPEAKER_02
You were talking about poetry for a while and I paused for a second because I was like, oh shit, I don t know how to keep up this conversation.
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SPEAKER_02
Better change the topic to fast food so that way I can really keep up.
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SPEAKER_02
No, that s fair.
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SPEAKER_02
American.
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SPEAKER_02
Before we go, what s your dream in life?
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SPEAKER_00
What s my dream in life?
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SPEAKER_00
Starting a record label.
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SPEAKER_00
Starting a record label?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
I like how varied your interests are.
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SPEAKER_02
Persian carpets, music.
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SPEAKER_02
Warhammer.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, yeah, I just grab on anything that seems mildly interesting and just dig deep into it What kind of music you want to make for this record label?
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SPEAKER_00
Ooh ska ska genuinely ska And like emo like Midwest emo Midwest emo
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Are you?
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Like, have you ever heard Glass Beach?
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SPEAKER_01
No.
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SPEAKER_02
They do like an emo electronica jazz kind of fusion.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, it s pretty fun.
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SPEAKER_01
Hmm.
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SPEAKER_01
As soon as you started talking about emo music, I was like in my head, like, how am I gonna bring this around to fast food again?
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SPEAKER_02
Don t waste your time on me, I m already the voice inside my head.
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SPEAKER_01
Are you emo a little bit?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, back in high school, definitely.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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SPEAKER_01
You seem like you re doing well.
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SPEAKER_02
Are you doing well?
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SPEAKER_02
I m like a bit destitute when it comes to money, but aside from that, I m doing well.
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SPEAKER_02
How much is your rent per month here in Perth?
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SPEAKER_02
For me, the split is four ways of 500 bucks a week.
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SPEAKER_02
500 bucks a week.
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SPEAKER_01
What is that a month?
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SPEAKER_01
That d be $2,000 a month.
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SPEAKER_01
$2,000 a month split by four.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
So 500 bucks a month.
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SPEAKER_01
Times point... What s two-thirds of $500?
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SPEAKER_01
I m converting it to United States currency.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, fuck.
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SPEAKER_01
That s like 300-something dollars.
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SPEAKER_02
I hate the number three.
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SPEAKER_02
That s pretty good.
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SPEAKER_02
I hate the number three.
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SPEAKER_02
You hate the number I genuinely have a scourge against the number two if you if you There you can t make a hole with a fraction of a third.
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SPEAKER_02
It s nine nine nine recurring loves Warhammer Persian carpets, uh-huh emo music hates the number three I like that you grappled on to even music over scar usually people grapple on to scar over you know music
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SPEAKER_01
there s a bad so don t look but there s this and then i ll answer here they re wondering why they re they re gonna ask you for a bit as they re letting the uh... their lead they re not they haven t yet on out here yet so they re still staring at us this might be the shortest episode of this i ve ever done i ll be unfortunate i mean you can always go to a park
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SPEAKER_01
Um, I might just go over there to the cactus, or I might just post this and just be like, I talked to one guy in Perth.
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SPEAKER_01
Because you re the perfect guy to talk to if I m only going to talk to one guy.
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If you d, if you d, oh, that d be amazing if I could just post, just send that to people.
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Yeah, just, just you.
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It might, it might be.
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We ll see at the end of this conversation.
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Oh, I m almost like, let s just keep talking for another 40 minutes.
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That way I, it s cool that they re, I m not looking, but it s cool that they re letting us finish this conversation.
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I ve got a feeling they might be asking you for a busking license.
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Which I have.
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Oh, you do?
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Excellent, you re prepared.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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Oh, Christ.
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Shit.
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Dismantle child labor in Pakistan.
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Sorry, I just read about that.
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No, I don t think you re going to get any dissent on that.
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Yeah, I was trying to think of an issue in the world and that s the best I
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That s a solid issue to raise awareness to.
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The problem is that the people watching this, I guess it s nice to spread awareness about issues, but I don t know what they re going to be able to do about it.
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I I know there s a fellow that travels the world and does conventions Where he actually talks about child labor and like specifically Pakistan, but I imagine there s some kind of like charity organizations but you have to really research charity organizations for you send money because I know I know in the past like some cancer organizations just kind of pocket money and Just say like we re doing stuff with it loves Warhammer
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Emo music.
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Persian carpets.
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Hates.
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The number three child labor in Pakistan.
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I mean, child labor in general is not good, but Pakistan... I m sorry, hates child labor in general.
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I m not like specific, everywhere else it s fine.
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Tell you what, I m clipping that.
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Occasionally I hire children, you know?
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Their hands are really good for weaving.
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Yes, yes.
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I m starting a carpentry.
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See, that s something you save for the third date.
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What s your name again?
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Rowan.
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What is it?
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Rowan.
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Rowan?
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Yeah.
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Nice to meet you, Rowan.
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Are you late for your, did you miss your train?
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No, I ll still be good.
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Okay, good.
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All right.
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I like trying to get there a bit early, but yeah.
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Well, thanks for being potentially the only person I talked to.
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That s all right.
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Awesome.
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Take care, Rowan.
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Thank you, brother.
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Hey guys, it s me again.
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If you liked those conversations and you want to hear more from Perth, you can find the full video in the episode description of this podcast or by looking for the video on youtube.com slash Lyle forever, which
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You should also subscribe to, if you haven t already.
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And, uh, yeah, that s the end of the podcast.
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I hope you liked it.
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If you did, be sure to subscribe on whatever app you re listening to this to so I can keep doing this in the future.
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Thanks for listening and letting me be a gecko and talk to people around the world.
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It s really cool.
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And I feel, I feel very honored that I get to do it.
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It s sweet.
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Hopefully there ll be many more.
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Places all over the universe that I ll get to go to be a gecko and talk to people and I ll bring you guys with me And it ll be a good time All right Hail Satan