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Call from Jen.
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Hello.
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Hi.
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Jen, is that you?
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Yes, this is Jen.
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Well, Jen, it s an honor, a privilege and an honor to talk to you.
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How s it going?
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Not that great.
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Well, do you want to talk about it or do you want to talk about something else to distract from it?
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Um, I mean, I guess I kind of want to get your input on it, to be honest.
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So like, I just recently went through a breakup.
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And so this guy I was with for seven years, actually left me for someone he says he met online, that he met, like, in two weeks.
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And
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She actually lives in a different country on top of that.
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So it s kind of like hard to get over it.
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Well.
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Here s the thing, when a guy says he met a woman on the internet in a foreign country, there s, I m gonna say realistically, I could give a funnier number, but I m gonna give a realistic number, a 15% chance.
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20?
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20.
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People meet each other online pretty frequently these days.
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20% chance she s not a real person.
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It s crazy, because throughout our breakup, he kept saying that he s never felt love like the one he has with her.
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And all he could really think of was imagining her face and her voice while he was at work.
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And mind you, we, like I said, seven years together.
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He had a ring.
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He was ready to propose.
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We were planning on having kids, too.
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So I m just like, what the fuck?
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, I m sorry.
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Uh, I m sorry that things didn t work out, man.
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Um, Hmm.
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Yeah.
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It s definitely one of those things.
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Cause like he told me too, that he told his parents before me that he was going to break up with me out of the blue.
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He told his parents before you that he was going to break up with you.
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Yeah.
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Um, how long ago was all this?
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This was like the week of Thanksgiving on top of all that.
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What have you been doing since?
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Um, definitely still going through it emotionally.
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Cause you know, obviously this is someone who I thought I was going to build a life with and you know, he was very like emotionally abusive throughout the whole process, you know, kind of like.
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different completely different person from what I met and so it definitely like Something you would think that you would probably be like, you know what like I need to move on like this It s not who I was with but you know when you plan a future with someone s kind of hard to forget all that But life s fucking crazy It really is yeah, it s fucking crazy.
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I don t know I I m I
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Oh, I m like, it s so hard to, uh, I guess like trust people, you know, like, I don t know.
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I mean, you should be able to, but it s hard.
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Definitely.
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Yeah.
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Cause like, it really was like someone ripping a rug from underneath you kind of scenario.
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Cause it just happened out of nowhere.
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And like, he was just like,
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We need a breakup.
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I m not in love with you.
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And, you know, I want to break up with you before I meet someone before I can open my heart to someone.
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Mind you, he s already talking to someone these last those last two weeks.
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Well, going on.
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Well, look, here s the thing, and I know it s hard.
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This is a difficult perspective to tap into at this very moment.
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But it s it s like these like breakups and shit.
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They re kind of always a good thing.
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mm-hmm because like you know if you re gonna if you re gonna be if you have marry a fucking guy and have kids and get a house and really just you know do a
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intertwine your existences with a kid and just really fuck your lives together, you know?
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Like a Barbie and a Ken doll, right?
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Then it should be somebody who s sure about you, right?
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Yeah, and if this guy is not sure about you, then it s I think it s a good thing that you guys Yeah, I mean, it s it s it s quite a relief.
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I think that You know at least this happened you know the timing of this is a lot fucking better than it could have been and it could have been you know, because you don t want to be You don t want to you don t want to
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have this conversation after Thanksgiving dinner with the whole family and kids and shit in the house, right?
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So, I mean, count that as a good aspect of all of this, even though there s, you know, I m sure you re in a state of turmoil.
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What so I I look I know it s all fresh, but are we are we gonna?
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Are we gonna go find ourselves of fucking European hunk now?
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He s got his you know fucking like I Obviously like I m not like him so like seven years to me at seven years so like I m still madly in love even though he screwed me over but like
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On top of all this, you know, when I was trying to find this girl s number to talk to her, I ended up finding out he was talking to a dude back in August.
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And me and this guy started talking and he apparently told this guy that he s been single for three years and that my car was his car and all these stuff that I bought him, like was apparently things he bought himself when that s not even true.
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So he was trying to flex at the same time.
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So he was flexing.
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He s a little gay and he s got an international lady.
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I. Yeah.
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Everyone.
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How old is this guy?
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How old is this guy?
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He s 28.
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Okay, he s going through like a... You know what is unfortunate?
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He s going through a midlife crisis.
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That s why everyone keeps calling me.
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People think midlife crises happen at like 50, but no one lives to 100.
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That s ridiculous.
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This guy s probably gonna... You know, a lot of people die at 60.
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I don t know when this guy s gonna die.
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I m not gonna say anything.
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It sounds like he s going through a crazy midlife crisis or something like that.
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Yeah, because everyone was telling me that like, are you sure he s not on drugs or something?
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Or what is he doing?
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Because like, it s just so weird.
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Because like, he was literally all of a sudden being a homophobe like towards the end.
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And so I m thinking like, maybe he s like, can t find himself sexually like, I don t know.
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And like, it s
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just such a weird scenario.
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Like in my head, it feels like a movie, but it s not.
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You said he was being a homophobe towards the end.
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Yeah.
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Like, you know, we went to the gym and like one day and like he came coming out of the bathroom so pissed and he was like, I can t believe like all these
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people are doing weird shit in the sauna and i m like dude like drop it you don t have to look like if they re doing their stuff then go like bless and be right it sounds like he was um it sounds you know i this guy is like
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I don t know if what I m about to say is giving him the benefit of the doubt, but it sounds as though, um, this guy like, ah, fuck.
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I don t know.
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I don t know how confident I am what I m about to say, but he like, he, he wanted
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to do the thing.
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He wanted to stick with the plan.
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He wanted to stick with the plan.
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But then he started having all these like gay thoughts and he started, he met this girl in Guatemala and just life started to overtake him.
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He tried to fight it a little bit and that s why he was going off on these people in the sauna and shit.
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But it just, it took him in.
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And I don t know why all those things are happening.
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I don t know why he,
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felt this crazy desire to make like a left turn and discover things about himself that maybe he hadn t dived into previously and it s a fucking damn shame that you are an innocent casualty in all of it, you know?
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Yeah.
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But whatever, that s for his therapy gecko call.
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This is yours, so.
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And it s funny too, because like, I actually took this guy to confront him because he wanted closure and why he ghosted him.
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So when we confronted him about it, he was denying all these things.
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Wait, so the guy that he was flirting with, you and him got together to confront your ex fiance?
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He knew where we lived.
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Because he googled his name, so he knew where we lived, he knew the apartment number and everything, he just asked if it was cool if he can meet up and I was like, sure.
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That s fucking nuts, man.
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That s what I m saying, it s like a movie.
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What happened when you confronted him?
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And his wife and the guy that he s cheating on her with fucking show up, what did he say?
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So we showed up at his dad s house because he would not come over to the apartment anymore.
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And so we knocked on the door and I told him I was like, I brought you a friend.
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So he like he looked all surprised.
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And then he pretty much told the guy like the guy did not want to even look at him and told the guy like, hey, you know why?
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We had cool conversations.
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It was all cool.
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But then just the thought of doing anything with you just disgusted me.
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Oh, he said that to the guy that he was flirting with.
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Yeah.
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Dude, wild.
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Right?
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Well, I mean, listen, back to you.
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What s your name again?
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Jen.
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Jen.
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Back to you, Jen.
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When s the last time you talked to your to your ex?
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This was on maybe like two weeks ago on Thursday because we made plans on him picking up his stuff from storage.
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And while we, my brother went with me, cause this is when he was having a screaming battle with me on the phone about me being a psycho and being crazy and all this stuff.
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Because I told his current girlfriend, now they re official.
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I told her, Hey, like, if you really know the truth about him, like these are all the things that were leading up to the breakup.
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And like, we were still seeing each other and sleeping with each other.
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And she was like, Hey, you know what?
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He told me he was single.
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Why are you making it like my fault?
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I m like, I m not blaming you.
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I m telling you.
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what happened towards the end.
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And so he got all upset and called me and started screaming at me.
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And then that s when he was like, I need to take my stuff out of storage, which is fine.
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Then he shows up to storage with cops because he wanted the engagement ring back as well.
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So I gave it back to him and I was just kind of like weirded out because this is a guy too, who apparently like hates the cops, but he s been calling the cops lately on me.
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Crazy dude.
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Yeah, and this is a guy too that says he s going through a spiritual journey because he wants to connect to God What is he going to like live with this woman in her country or is she coming to the US?
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Um, I don t know he can t afford a plane ticket to the Philippines to go see her so I don t know What his plans are?
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Well, look, again, I ll say that s for that guy s therapy gecko call.
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Um, what?
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So, I mean, you and you guys don t, okay, and you guys don t have any kids or anything.
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And you never were married.
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So there s no divorce.
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Crazy crap.
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So, okay.
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So what do you, um, let me ask you this, Jen.
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seven years.
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What s something you just, and it s just one thing.
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What s something you always wanted to do, but you couldn t because you had this boyfriend.
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Um, I really wanted to work in the music business and I definitely will admit, I kind of put that on the back burner because of him and his insecurities.
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And so like,
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Right now, like I want to try to refocus myself on that again, but it s, you know, it still feels fresh and like the holidays are happening.
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So it just even sucks.
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Um, what were his insecurities about you working in the, in the music industry?
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So I had friends in bands and, you know, stuff like that.
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So it s just insecurities of like, you know, you re around all these guys and like,
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You know, what if they hit on you and stuff?
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And I told him like, if I wanted to be with someone like that, I could have.
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I ve had the opportunity, but a lot of them aren t really the best boyfriend materials.
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And like, I couldn t see myself with someone like that, but he just couldn t get over it.
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So are you going to try to pursue something like that?
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Um,
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I m in the process of continuing my career path on that.
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But it s just, you know, I m living in a fantasy land right now where like, we would get back together, even though in my mind, I know it s not the best idea.
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Oh, you in the sky.
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Mm hmm.
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Um, I am I look, you were with this guy for seven years.
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You planned a whole life with them.
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Um,
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I understand why and this only happens like a couple weeks ago.
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It sounds so I understand why you re living in fantasy land from my perspective and the perspective of the people listening.
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It s like why would you ever want to talk to this guy again, but I m not I m not I m not I won t be ignorant enough not to understand that.
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Yes, you were with him.
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for seven years and that that s going to take a while but I m fairly confident that after some time you will join the side of the fence that I and the people listening likely are sitting on when they view this relationship.
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Yeah.
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But this is exciting.
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I mean, okay, you want to work in the music industry.
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Is there anything else?
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Um, just pretty much traveling, to be honest, because that s something I still have planned.
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And, you know, we both have planned it.
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But like, at this point, I don t want to stop just because I m not with him anymore.
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Please, please, dear God.
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Oh, my God.
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The best thing the best thing you could possibly do is if you and your partner had travel plans together.
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Don t cancel them.
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Go.
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Where did you get?
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Where are you planning?
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Well, I ve always wanted to go to Spain, you know, Hawaii, like just places like that, like, you know, adventuring.
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Go to Spain, go to Hawaii.
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There s hot, there s hot, but I mean, Jen, the hunk population of Hawaii, it s about 300,000, you know, just go by yourself and, and, and get hunked.
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Right.
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Just see what he is.
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I know.
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Yeah, it just sucks.
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But, you know, I don t know how people can just get over a relationship, especially after.
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It s not good.
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I understand.
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I m just I m I m I know I m ignorant to your your particular.
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No, no.
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You know, I think I think eventually, hopefully time will will heal the wounds.
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You know, time.
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Hunks.
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Hunks heal all wounds.
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Yeah.
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Are you still, are you still friends with the, with the, with the guy, like the guy he was hitting on?
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That guy just hits me up to see like, if I m in contact with my ex and if I have his number.
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And so I kind of just erased him off my phone because it just seemed like he still won t, isn t over.
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whatever happened between them.
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I mean, I kind of think, I mean, listen, I mean, Jen, call me crazy, but I think that you two might be needing to plan a trip to Hawaii.
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Now that would be, tell me that wouldn t be a movie.
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That s a movie right there.
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You and that guy going to Hawaii, getting hunked out.
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That s a movie right there that I would watch.
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We re going to have to figure out the script.
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That s a Judd Apatow movie.
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You re Leslie, man.
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Who s the guy?
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Whatever, who cares?
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Anyway, well, Jen, how do you feel?
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How do I what?
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How do you feel?
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I feel great after this conversation.
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I mean, like, I definitely
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You know needed to let it out because it s funny because he actually introduced me to you to like your podcast Okay.
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Well, I hope that when you think of this I hope that now that you have been introduced and he s in the philippines and he s listening to
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You know other crazy podcasts You know, I hope I hope that you can associate this podcast Yourself with it not being associated with him so that you can keep listening and maybe Buy a t-shirt from my merch store at therapy gecko comm at some point.
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Oh For sure.
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That s on my Christmas list.
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I
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Jen, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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I mean, thanks for all you guys  advice, for sure, because I definitely need it.
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All right, take care, Jen.
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Awesome, thank you.
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Hunk City.
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Where are you all from?
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My name is Omar.
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Hello?
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Hello?
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This is Omar?
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Yeah, dude, what s up?
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Omar, what s going on?
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Just chillin , getting high, playing Cities Skylines, making like little people move around on my screen.
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You re playing what?
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You know that game where you re like fucking SimCity, but you just like make cities, so how is it fucking sick?
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You re getting high and playing SimCity?
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Hell yeah.
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Wow.
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What made you want to interrupt such a beautiful life experience just to call me?
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I don t know.
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I wanted to hear what you had to say about life.
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You seem pretty wise to someone.
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You want to hear what I have to say about life?
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What do I have to say about life?
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Sometimes I wonder, I ve been going back and forth about whether life is easy or hard.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because sometimes I m like, wait, this is this is easy.
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And other times I m like, wait, this is really hard.
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Did you get born into an easy life or a hard life?
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You said born into an easy life or a hard life?
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No, did you?
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Did you?
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Which one did you get?
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Did I get to say where are you from?
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I m from London.
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Oh, okay.
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That s why your phone is a little shitty.
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And your accent is a little shitty, too.
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So I can sort of only barely understand what you re saying.
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Oh, that s fair enough.
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I ll try and articulate a little bit harder.
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Okay, what so what did you just say?
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Did you get an easy life or a hard one?
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Which one did you get born into?
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I m not even white.
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Did you get an easy life or did you get a hard one?
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Which one did you get born into?
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Pouring into, oh, I mean, fuck, comparatively easy, goddamn.
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I mean, it depends on, it depends on your perspective, because I mean, all my, I mean, because look, here s the thing, I think the bar, right, the bar for an easy life, to me, in consideration to all of the lives that are out there, is like,
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If you re born into a life where like, you know, your parents don t beat the shit out of you, and you can eat food and drink water, that s pretty good.
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I don t know if it s necessarily easy, but it s just pretty good, you know?
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Yeah, it s pretty sweet.
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What about you?
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What do you think?
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Hell yeah, dude.
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I m privileged as hell.
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I got a sweet life.
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I grew up in Asia.
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Now I live in London.
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I m living it up.
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Living my dream.
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Where in Asia are you from?
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Where in Asia are you from?
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I grew up in Singapore.
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Oh, I ve heard of Singapore.
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Singapore is kind of rich, isn t it?
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Yeah, it s pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_01
When you re under 18, it s pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_00
Why is it cool when you re under 18, but not cool when you re over 18?
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SPEAKER_01
You can have like a fun shelter time there like you can go like cringe clubbing and shit But when you grow up and you want to like do some cool shit, I smoke weed and stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
You can t do any of that I m sorry.
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SPEAKER_00
So you just said Yeah living in Singapore as a minor is cool because you can go to the club But then once you turn 18, you re not allowed to smoke weed.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh
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SPEAKER_01
Well, you know, you grow up and you want to do cooler stuff because you realize clubbing is really lame.
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SPEAKER_01
But you can t do cooler stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
You can t smoke weed.
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SPEAKER_01
You can t do drugs.
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SPEAKER_01
You ve got to like live that cookie cutter corporate lifestyle.
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SPEAKER_00
Why were you, you were clubbing?
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SPEAKER_00
How old were you when you were clubbing?
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SPEAKER_01
You can go clubbing when you re like 13, 14, because you re like expat.
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SPEAKER_01
So you like get into places easier.
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SPEAKER_00
Really?
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, so are you like, so you re telling me there are clubs where there s like 35-year-olds hanging out with 13-year-olds?
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SPEAKER_01
Bro, yeah, 100%.
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SPEAKER_01
And like, what s even weirder at the time is like, you think it s normal that they re just like partying with you, getting you drinks, and then you grow up and you realize how cringe that is.
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SPEAKER_01
But this like dude who s like 30 is just like hanging out with 18-year-olds, thinking it s cool as fuck when he like makes out with a girl in high school.
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SPEAKER_00
Goddamn.
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SPEAKER_00
So, uh, how old were you?
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SPEAKER_00
How old were you when you left Singapore?
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SPEAKER_01
Uh, I think I left when I was 17.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, do you ever go back?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I used to go back when my parents lived there, but I don t go back anymore.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you still club?
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, where are you now?
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SPEAKER_00
You re in London.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you clubbing in London?
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SPEAKER_01
No, no.
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SPEAKER_01
Nah, not really.
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SPEAKER_01
I get a gig, but I don t go clubbing.
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SPEAKER_01
I m old enough.
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SPEAKER_01
I m like 30.
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SPEAKER_01
So it s like a bit,
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SPEAKER_01
You know, more chillin .
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SPEAKER_00
I m a YouTuber.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I m a niche YouTuber.
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SPEAKER_01
No, no, not at all.
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SPEAKER_00
Not at all.
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SPEAKER_00
Like you did a review on specifically the best strains to smoke while playing SimCity.
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SPEAKER_01
That s your YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01
No, I wish I, I wish that was my job.
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SPEAKER_01
That s how I do it.
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SPEAKER_01
No, I do like sports.
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SPEAKER_00
Just so you know, if you want, you can have that.
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SPEAKER_01
No, it s harder here, dude.
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SPEAKER_01
It s illegal here.
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SPEAKER_00
It s illegal in London?
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SPEAKER_01
I think I ll get demonetized if I do that.
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SPEAKER_00
Really?
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SPEAKER_00
Is weed legal in London?
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SPEAKER_01
No.
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SPEAKER_01
Everyone smokes weed.
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SPEAKER_01
But it s not legal.
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SPEAKER_00
So you re saying you re breaking the law right now.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean... Are you breaking the law federally if you smoke weed?
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SPEAKER_01
Um... Oh, you re in Canada.
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SPEAKER_00
Why d you think I was in... I m not in Canada.
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SPEAKER_00
Why d you think I was in Canada?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_01
I thought you were in Canada.
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SPEAKER_01
Where are you?
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, I m...
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SPEAKER_00
Omar, I got a question.
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SPEAKER_00
Is there, and it s okay if not, I m enjoying talking to you.
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SPEAKER_00
We can talk about all kinds of things, but is there a particular thing you wanted to talk about on the phone?
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SPEAKER_01
Um, I don t know, man.
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SPEAKER_01
There s a few things going on, but I don t know if I want to talk about them online.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, you know what I ve been finding weird though recently is like when you realize that, you know, nothing really means anything,
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SPEAKER_01
It s kind of hard to get psyched to do anything.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, I get that, like, you know, the endgame is that you re just enjoying every moment as it comes, because that s really all you get.
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SPEAKER_01
You don t get the future.
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SPEAKER_01
You don t get the past.
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SPEAKER_01
You just get now.
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SPEAKER_01
But, like, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_01
When you do that forever, it feels reckless, and you re like, damn, in, like, 10 years  time, I m going to have fucked up, because all I was doing is focusing on the present.
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SPEAKER_00
Is your version of focusing on the present getting high and playing SimCity?
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SPEAKER_01
No.
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SPEAKER_01
Not all the time.
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SPEAKER_00
What s your version of focusing on the present?
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SPEAKER_01
I guess eat anything.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, I don t know, like going out to dinner, going to the pub, getting fucked up.
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SPEAKER_01
Shit like that.
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SPEAKER_00
So you re 30, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you feel like you fucked up your future?
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SPEAKER_01
No, but I m worried that I ll get there and it ll be too late.
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SPEAKER_01
You know, you ll figure that out.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, what do you... Alright, what do you, I mean, what do you, like, give me some specifics.
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SPEAKER_00
What do you think you fucked up?
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SPEAKER_01
Well, it s just like, okay, so I m a YouTuber.
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SPEAKER_01
I earn, like, pretty decent money.
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SPEAKER_01
But it s like, you know, fame and popularity, they re not solid things.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_01
But all my other 30-year-old friends, they have legit jobs.
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SPEAKER_01
They re like fucking some of the bankers.
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the
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looks so sweet but it s like the price you pay for that looks really high and it s just like am I making the right choice by not doing that?
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SPEAKER_01
Well Omar I have good news if you want to talk about fake jobs you ve come to the right professional gecko.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah good point.
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SPEAKER_00
What do you think about the future?
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SPEAKER_00
Like, how do you, are you worried about these things?
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, if you want to know my real answer on this, I just like, I m thinking, I ve thought about a few things.
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SPEAKER_01
I m like, you know, right now I m just like, I m gonna get practical with you, right now I m just like, okay, let me like, save as much money as possible so that, you know, I can like,
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SPEAKER_01
Have a nice cushion before I you know ever have to get a real job if I ever do But I think about that a lot.
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SPEAKER_01
I think about the future.
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SPEAKER_01
I think about like oh, man.
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SPEAKER_01
What am I gonna?
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SPEAKER_01
You know I?
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Cuz you know right we re in the same, but I have no security in what I do really
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SPEAKER_01
But, uh, and I, and I, again, bro, I think about this every single day.
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SPEAKER_01
I m like, uh, I m like, I, you know, I m, I m 20, I m almost, I m 26 next week.
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SPEAKER_01
And, uh, I m like, what the fuck am I going to be doing when I m like 40?
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SPEAKER_01
You know, I, am I still going to be a gecko?
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SPEAKER_00
You know, I do square space ads, you know, the classic YouTuber shit.
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SPEAKER_00
I can t imagine being like a 50 year old dude being like, yo,
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SPEAKER_00
attempt to turn off a Squarespace if you click my link.
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SPEAKER_00
I just can t imagine doing that.
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is in my control, so that s why, you know, I, uh, I, uh, fuckin  post clips for my, to promote the podcast, and I work really hard to make sure that the show is good, and I work as hard as I can to be the best gecko as I can, and, uh, outside of that, I mean, none of this shit is really in my control.
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SPEAKER_01
All the people listening could be like, eh, you know what, this is fuckin  stupid, and turn it off, and, you know, then I, um, you know, have to go.
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But I don t know, I mean, when I talk to my friends and family about this kind of thing, they always tell me that I ll figure it out, and I ve started to try to want to believe them, that, you know, I feel a certain sense of confidence and security in my own brain, in my own skills, in my own experience, that, you know, I ll be okay, regardless of what happens to the future, I ll figure it out, and you know, whatever, I mean, if it s purely a money thing, I mean, there s a thousand different
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ways to to make money in the in the world so you know i m sure i ll figure out uh something but for now i m almost i m like you know there s a there s you guys it s balancing act right because the more i stress out about the future and the more i wonder what the hell i m going to be doing when i m 37 the less i m focused on doing what on what i m going to be doing when i am right
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SPEAKER_01
now, alive, you know?
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SPEAKER_00
So I m like robbing from- Yeah, depending on what you re doing right now.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I m like, I m robbing from my present gecko-ness to think about, you know, how I m gonna afford to eat food when I m, you know, 45.
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SPEAKER_01
So, you know, I think about this stuff all the time.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, what do you think?
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, I think about it all the time, too.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like, to be honest, I m just
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SPEAKER_00
Well, like, it also starts to play back to this thing where, like, you know, people are like, all you have on your own is your memories.
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SPEAKER_00
Dude, I don t even fucking, like, really know if my memories are even legit.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00
You re like, you re trying to record something.
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SPEAKER_00
You re like, am I even remembering that?
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SPEAKER_00
Or is this just, like, some bullshit?
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SPEAKER_00
So, like, where else are we going with that point?
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SPEAKER_00
Because it s like, you know, when you re living in the now, you re trying to create memories for later.
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SPEAKER_00
So you, like, have a really good life in your head.
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SPEAKER_00
But it s like, I don t really remember those things.
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SPEAKER_00
So it s like I m living for the now, but the now is literally just this nervous bleeding.
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SPEAKER_00
So it s like really weird.
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SPEAKER_00
Is there any reason why I m putting effort into this now?
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SPEAKER_00
I ve kind of lost my point, but basically it s fucking complicated and I can t figure it out.
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SPEAKER_01
So, I mean, well, here s another aspect of all this stuff that I was thinking about, and I don t know if this is true.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know if I agree with this, but it s a thought that I ve explored in my head, which is that, bro, in general, security is like kind of a myth.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know if I agree with that, but I do think about it.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, think about the pandemic, right?
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SPEAKER_01
Like, a bunch of people who had, you know, quote, real stable jobs just got fucking fired, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
And, you know, layoffs happen all the time.
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SPEAKER_01
People with real secure jobs get fucking fired.
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SPEAKER_01
And hey, besides even that, people
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get people who are in like good health have fucking brain aneurysms and die when they re 50 and people get into car accidents and die when they re 30 even though they had security and they had good health and this and that so so i mean security it s like you can you can get pretty sure that everything s gonna be okay but that s that s like the best you could never you could never be a hundred percent sure that everything s gonna be okay you just never unless if you like
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stayed inside your room and ate lettuce and did push-ups and never left to do anything.
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SPEAKER_01
But you can t live like that.
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SPEAKER_01
And even if you did live like that, you d only get to like, you know, 90% sure that everything s going to be okay.
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SPEAKER_01
But that version of life is not things being okay.
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SPEAKER_01
So I, you know,
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Security does feel like a myth in that way.
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SPEAKER_01
You can never be 100% sure that everything s gonna be okay.
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SPEAKER_01
And so to that point, I kind of surrender thinking about it.
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SPEAKER_01
You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01
Like, if I m never gonna be 100% sure that everything s gonna be okay, then what s the fucking point of worrying about if things are gonna be okay, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Security s a myth.
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SPEAKER_00
I know what you mean, man.
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SPEAKER_00
You just let go with the flow, but that s like an active mentality you have to maintain.
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SPEAKER_00
Of course.
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SPEAKER_00
It s not passive, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_01
No, I m talking a- I m talking a bunch of shit to you right now, but you know, after the stream is over I m gonna be like, um, what s my YouTube revenue for this- for this, uh, month and how am I gonna... Bro, I uninstalled that creator app straight off my phone.
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SPEAKER_00
It was like driving me insane.
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SPEAKER_01
Right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_01
Um... Huh.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, am I allowed to ask you what your YouTube channel is, or are you trying to remain anonymous?
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SPEAKER_00
Um...
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s bouldering Bobat.
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, what did you just say?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s tough.
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SPEAKER_00
Bouldering Bobat.
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SPEAKER_00
Just search Bobat.
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SPEAKER_00
You ll find us rock climbing.
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SPEAKER_00
It s... Bouldering Bobart?
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SPEAKER_00
B-O-B-A-T.
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SPEAKER_01
B-O-B-A-T.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, bulburing bo... Oh, man.
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SPEAKER_00
You got it, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
Bulburing Bobart?
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SPEAKER_00
Just type it in and it ll auto-complete.
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SPEAKER_00
You ll be fine.
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SPEAKER_01
Alright, well... It s nice talking to you, man.
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SPEAKER_01
I feel like I don t have all that many people who I know that do.
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SPEAKER_01
Actually, no, I have a good, you know... I wish I could talk to... I wish I had more people to talk to about having a fake funny job.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, me too, man.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like... It s a bit fleeting.
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SPEAKER_00
Everyone s all serious and it s like...
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SPEAKER_00
and someone else.
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SPEAKER_00
Like my parents have no idea what I did.
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SPEAKER_00
Do your parents know what you did?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
But like they understand it?
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SPEAKER_01
Define understand.
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SPEAKER_00
Like your fucking parents fully understand how you dressed up as a gecko turns into cash and your bag s down.
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SPEAKER_01
My parents understand that I dress up as a gecko and talk to people on the phone and do tours and make videos and stuff.
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SPEAKER_00
Fair enough.
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SPEAKER_01
My dad used to be in the chat, but I don t think he s in the chat anymore.
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SPEAKER_01
Wait, there s a couple, there s like a dude in the, wait, there s a dude in my chat right now who says he watches you.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
What s up?
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SPEAKER_01
That s cool.
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SPEAKER_01
How many subs do you have?
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SPEAKER_00
Like, quarter of a mil.
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SPEAKER_01
That s sick, man.
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SPEAKER_01
Are you happy?
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SPEAKER_00
But we re kind of like, you know, we re like on the... You know when your channel was like, peaking before?
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SPEAKER_00
We re on like, the down end of our peak.
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SPEAKER_00
But that s okay.
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SPEAKER_00
We opened a gym in real life.
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SPEAKER_01
Wait, you opened a gym?
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SPEAKER_00
In real life, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Because we didn t want to roll out on YouTube.
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SPEAKER_00
So we were like, we need to make something brick and mortar.
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SPEAKER_00
So we opened a gym in London, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
That s something I want to do.
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SPEAKER_01
I want to diversify my life.
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Love I love doing the podcast and the podcast is sick, but I m like what else could I I also I m thinking about that I m like, what can I do in real life?
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SPEAKER_01
That s like, you know It keeps like the creativity fresh as well, right?
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SPEAKER_01
If you re like doing shit in different aspects that all are kind of related It like helps you just get shit coming out of your mind.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know That s how I feel about it.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, ah what oh he hung up Well, that sucks well
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SPEAKER_02
Wow, that s a real bummer way to end that call.
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SPEAKER_02
Hold on, let me see if I can get him back.
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SPEAKER_02
Um... No, I don t think I can, but... Ah, it s okay, we were on the, we were on the, um... Much as he, much as he said we, we, we had peaked... Much as he said he had peaked in his channel, I think we had peaked in that call.
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SPEAKER_02
That was a good call.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, shoutout to... What s his name again?
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SPEAKER_02
Bobert, Bouldering Bobert.
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SPEAKER_02
Shout out to Bouldering Bobert.
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SPEAKER_02
It was good talking to you.
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SPEAKER_02
Let s collab.
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SPEAKER_02
Should we do a collab?
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SPEAKER_02
What did he say?
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SPEAKER_02
What kind of stuff did he say he makes?
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SPEAKER_02
I ll go to his gym.
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SPEAKER_02
That s what we ll do.
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SPEAKER_02
Bouldering Bobert.
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SPEAKER_02
If you hear this, I ll go to your gym in London and we ll make a video.
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SPEAKER_02
Maybe.
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SPEAKER_02
Depends on how strenuous you want the activity to be.
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SPEAKER_02
All right.
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SPEAKER_02
Thanks for calling, Bobert.
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SPEAKER_02
Hey folks, it s Lyle.
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SPEAKER_02
So, we have reached the end of the phone call portion of this podcast because I wanted to end with an excerpt from this video that I just put out on my YouTube channel today.
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So, to give some context, I was in Australia on tour over the summer and one day I went to the beach in my gecko suit and I filmed a video just running around talking to various strangers
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on the pier of this beach in the same freeform way that I talk to callers on this podcast.
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And the conversation that you re about to hear now is probably my favorite one from that day.
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So I had already been filming for like four hours.
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It was nighttime.
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I was done.
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I put my camera away and I was just walking around and this dude on the docks starts asking me why I am walking along the water in a frog costume.
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which is a good question and we started talking and he told me he s taking a walk to clear his mind so I asked him what he s trying to clear his mind from and we just got into this very open honest conversation as two complete total strangers on a pier at night and it was really cool so I wanted to share it on here so let us transport
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to the docks of St.
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Kilda Beach in Melbourne, Australia to talk to a stranger.
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SPEAKER_02
I walk around as a gecko and I just try to, I m like going on little adventures.
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SPEAKER_02
You know what I m saying?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
And then what?
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SPEAKER_00
People like your adventures?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, I guess sometimes, man.
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SPEAKER_02
What s your name, man?
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SPEAKER_02
Tim.
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SPEAKER_02
Nice to meet you, Tim.
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SPEAKER_02
What brings you out to the docks this evening?
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, why wouldn t you be out here?
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SPEAKER_02
Look, it s beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02
It is beautiful.
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SPEAKER_02
So you were saying to me before I turned this on that you were just going on a walk to like clear your head and stuff.
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SPEAKER_02
Of course.
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SPEAKER_02
What kind of stuff do you think about?
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SPEAKER_00
Well, you can t experience anxiety while you walk.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
There s a little known stat.
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SPEAKER_00
And I ve got a big footy game my team s playing tonight, so.
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SPEAKER_00
I want to try and relax before that.
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SPEAKER_00
What s been like stressing you?
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SPEAKER_00
I ve been working up in Broken Hill for three months and then came back and worked three days.
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SPEAKER_00
this week after a 10-hour drive and now that s over.
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SPEAKER_00
Relationship over.
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SPEAKER_00
Moved back in my house.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s a change.
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SPEAKER_00
What were you working as?
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SPEAKER_00
What were you doing?
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SPEAKER_00
I was a medical advisor on a medical TV show.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, really?
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SPEAKER_02
So now that that s over, what do you think you re going to do now?
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SPEAKER_00
Well, that s why I m out here.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
And you said there was a relationship?
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SPEAKER_02
Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_02
How long were you guys together for?
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SPEAKER_02
A year.
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SPEAKER_02
Nice, man.
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SPEAKER_02
Do you think you re going to go out on the dating scene again or are you going to wait a little bit?
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SPEAKER_00
I definitely need a bit of time for the dust to settle.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, sure.
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SPEAKER_00
And then see what s out there.
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SPEAKER_02
What do you think makes a good relationship?
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SPEAKER_00
It s a good question.
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SPEAKER_00
It used to always just be raw attraction was the most important thing, but then if you ve got that but no great human qualities, something to admire, something to bring you joy.
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SPEAKER_00
and a good sense of humor, then you don t have much.
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SPEAKER_02
It s hard, because raw attraction, it brings the two people together, but it doesn t glue them.
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SPEAKER_02
Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02
You know?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Do you think there was something that you learned from it at all?
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Oh, the recent Finnish one.
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Yeah, just to... If something s not right, then...
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then acknowledge it and talk about it.
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I guess not just internalizing everything and then because it won t go away.
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Right.
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You need to find a way to express yourself and be receptive to the other person s perspective and then if both of those things happen you might be able to work it out but
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and make that relationship work, but you also might quickly be able to finish it and end it and then find something with someone else that does have that missing ingredient that was troubling you with the last person.
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Are you good at being alone?
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pretty comfortable, but I think I m ready not to be.
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Do you have like good friends and family and stuff?
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Yeah, yeah, although all my
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friends and family are sort of more involved with their own families at this stage in life.
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So it s, you know, there s a few out there, but it s not like it was when we were teens and twenties and everyone s in the same boat.
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Right, right.
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Do you have kids or do you want kids?
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No, and yes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Do you keep in touch with your parents?
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Are your parents still around?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I m just talking to them.
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I ll go to the ballet with them tomorrow.
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Oh, that s cool, man.
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That s nice.
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And then I ll have my birthday dinner on Sunday.
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Oh, your birthday is this weekend.
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Happy birthday, man.
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Thank you.
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How do you feel about your birthday?
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Is it a happy occasion or is it a time for reflection?
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I guess it s a bit of both, definitely the latter.
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And that s what, again, why I m here.
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I didn t mention it earlier, but it s, yeah, I guess there s gotta be a time in the year when you take stock and like everyone does it a bit at Christmas and whatever, but it s a more personal stock-taking moment when it s your birthday, I think.
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And particularly as you get a bit older,
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and you re closer to the end than the start.
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You become more cognizant of what s important and time and who you are and where you re going.
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Do you feel like the ride so far, has it been a good ride so far?
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Definitely.
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and I don t want to let the pull of recent events sort of sour my view of the 43, almost 43 years to now, but I ve been very lucky and I should be very grateful.
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What do you feel like has been the best part of the ride so far?
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Like the stuff you re the most grateful for?
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Good question.
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I mean, I ve had some amazing people in my life and I ve just had a lot of opportunities to do things.
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to study things, to play sports and music and express myself artistically.
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And those moments which you don t get a lot and you realise as life goes on, you know, it s just not going to keep happening.
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But I ve had a lot of those.
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And there will be more.
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Um, some, sometimes you just got to make it happen a bit more.
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And I guess I m reflecting on that.
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How do you make things happen?
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And when do you let things happen?
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Do you, do you feel as though with every passing year, like things happen naturally a little bit less and there s a little bit more of a kick to have to make them happen?
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Yeah, it s definitely the wheels turn and I guess as you get a bit creakier and older you have to make them turn as the years go by.
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It s less downhill skiing, more cross-country.
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Does anything get better as the years go by?
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Like what anything particular you notice is getting better?
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There is something about experience and wisdom that means you can enjoy things from outside a bit more, like you can look at a situation and appreciate it without being caught up in it.
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as much.
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Right.
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Because you feel like you ve been there before.
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Yeah, you ve been there.
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You ve got some circumspection.
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Yeah.
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And sometimes that s, yeah, is a bit of a shadow.
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But I think with that knowledge and awareness, there s some satisfaction.
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And you just don t get that from when you re there, you re coming up, you re doing it for the first time.
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Right.
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This is a little bit more emotion and raw anxiety because it s new.
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And then maybe there s more adrenaline there too.
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But yeah, sure.
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Yeah, more adrenaline.
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But that s not everything.
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And as you get older and you know, windows close, there s more closed windows and open windows.
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Sometimes it s good because you sort of accept that
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you re not going to be able to do everything in this life.
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And that acceptance has some... Well, when you resign to that fact, there s some...
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pace.
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I think so too.
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Cause like, there s this, there s a weird stress to like want to fucking do everything that there is to do.
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And then if you re not doing it, you re like, you re beating yourself up about it.
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But then as you get, as you kind of realize just, you re not going to be able to, there s an acceptance.
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And with that acceptance, that anxiety, that beating yourself up about not fucking doing everything ever goes away a little bit.
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It s kind of nice because, you know, I don t know.
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I don t know if you have to do everything.
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Sometimes just standing and looking at cool buildings is like
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That s it, you know, it s good enough.
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Satisfying enough.
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Yeah.
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What do you, what do you, you re talking about like stuff you want to make happen.
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What is, what is it that you want to make happen?
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Well, you ve got to make a family happen.
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You ve got to, um, you ve got to make a career happen.
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You ve got to, um, you know, I sort of moved from dance floor to dance floor rather than, um, stay in the same venue and make that my permanent fixture.
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Uh, so,
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I ve got to find a place and stay is the thing I ve got to make happen.
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How long have you been on this dance floor for?
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I ve been back from another dance floor for a week.
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Not quite a week.
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And now I m going to go overseas and that ll be another dance floor.
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Oh, where are you going to go?
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London, Portugal and Spain.
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Sick, what are you doing there?
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My friend s 40th.
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Oh cool man.
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And her twin sister and yeah just
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Get out of the cold.
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Yeah, so you re still good.
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You re going on adventures.
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You re making life happen.
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That s cool, man Yeah, and and and that s great, but I also look forward to you know something a lot of my friends have which is some Security and stability and all the things I often think are boring, but they re they also have their merits
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I was just talking to somebody over there about that whole, uh, uh, conflict between stability and adventure.
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You know, I feel like, uh, it s, it s a prevalent thing.
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Cause, right.
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Cause it also, I feel like it ties into all the stuff we ve been talking.
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Cause it s like, you want to be able to do everything and that s like unstable, but fun.
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And then there s kind of that acceptance, but with that acceptance comes a little bit more stability and security, I think.
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Yeah, that s nice, man.
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We ve lost our light here, but I have enjoyed talking to you.
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I ve enjoyed talking to you, too.
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Nice to meet you, Tim.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer?
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Oh, hello, people of the computer.
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I wish you well in your adventure and finding your inner peace and outer peace and being happy along the road to that.
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Have a great rest of the night.
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Nice contemplative conversation to have under the beautiful lights of Melbourne, Australia.
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Good times.
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Good day to lay at the beach.
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Hey, it s me again.
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If you guys enjoyed that conversation, then please go check out the full video on my YouTube channel, youtube.com slash LyleForever.
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Because it s the main direction that I want to go to, you know, moving forward is doing a lot more talking to people in various real-life places.
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So, definitely check out the video if you want.
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more of that, and there s also a lot more videos like that on my YouTube channel, youtube.com slash LyleForever.
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Alright, anyway, thank you for listening to this podcast, and go kiss a lion on the paw.
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