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So how much of a relief is it to have the album done?
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You ve been working on this for a while, huh?
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Yeah, it would be a relief if I got a chance to chill out.
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I just kind of mixed it, mastered it, mastered it again.
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It took a little while.
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I was supposed to go on vacation.
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I was going to take a trip and go chill out and think about it.
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That didn t end up happening.
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So I just turned my phone off for like two or three days and then it was Let s go talk about it and break it all down and you know, so it s it s a relief.
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It s finally done But it just it s kind of kept going so I haven t had a chance to chill on it.
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Those breaks are important, right?
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It was just vacation breaks.
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Just shut your brain off breaks.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I don t Yeah, I really I really wanted that one.
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I
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I needed it.
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I just wanted to go be by myself.
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Just camp out in the woods by myself.
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Oh really?
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Yeah, just be completely solo.
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Oh yeah.
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Just chill out, you know.
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I just made 40.
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I just wanted to go chill out and go wow.
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You know, reflect and be like wow, this first 40 s been pretty cool.
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What s gonna happen in the next?
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And it was like, boom, New York City, Tonight Show, Questlove looking at me.
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I was like, this is not what the plan was.
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Sometimes you got to force the plan and all those other people.
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You have a lot of people to make happy.
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Absolutely.
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But I m also excited to do it.
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Sometimes if I get too comfortable, I get comfortable just being comfortable.
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Right.
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And then nothing gets made.
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Yeah, you know, I kind of like to get out there, get the nerves going, blood going a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Get out in front of folks and figure it out.
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Yeah.
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Well, that s a little bit of a vacation from the creative process of making it, right?
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Because the process of making, you were
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I mean, I know you were locked up.
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You lock yourself up, dude.
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You do it.
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When you do it, you go all in.
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Well, I think I still care about this shit.
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You can tell.
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I really care.
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People are like, what the hell are you making a whole album for?
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It s about singles.
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I m like, I still like listening to...
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to a full record, putting a record down, you know, having the needles scratch the thing and playing it and then, you know, flipping that other side and seeing what s happening.
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I still like listening to a record from top to bottom.
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If there s anything that I ve ever learned, it s that do what you like to do.
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It doesn t matter what the trend of the business is, just fucking do what you d like to do.
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Yeah.
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You like albums, make a fucking album.
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Yeah, sure.
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And so, yeah, that s what I did.
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I mean, I was locked in.
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A lot of it was by choice, too, you know?
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It was like, I just love being in a spot.
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I built a studio.
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I was like, well, why not fucking use it?
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Yeah.
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You know?
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So that s what I did, kind of to a fault.
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My wife was like, you gotta get out of there.
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You know, trying to hang with you, get me out of the house, socialize me and stuff.
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But I was just, I was just locked in, you know, just nerding out, trying to make noise, organize noise, you know.
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But the end is beautiful.
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The end result is beautiful.
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Thank you.
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There s so many layers to the music, man.
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I got it last night.
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They sent me a link, but then the link needed a passcode and I couldn t get a passcode.
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And then last night they sent me the link.
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So while I was writing last night, when I came from the store, I listened to the whole album.
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Awesome.
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Man, there s so many, the music, the sounds, like right off the bat, there s so many layers.
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Yeah.
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It s like, you know, it s very, you could tell there s so much thought into it.
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There s a lot of smoke in the air.
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Yeah.
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A lot of mezcal.
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A lot of vino flowing.
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Yeah, it was just... And there was nobody saying, you know, usually it s...
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for me, people expect a certain thing, you know, and like, you know, I get have talks, I don t know strings on the album, stay away from singing falsetto stuff, because your core fans don t like it.
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And I was like, I just don t give a fuck.
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Like I didn t care.
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I was it was a minute in the middle of COVID.
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Yeah, so everybody was locked down.
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I was just like, my phone was down.
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Nobody was talking to anybody.
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I just got I got weird, man.
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I got weird.
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That is so crazy that anybody is around you that gives you that kind of advice.
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Well, it s folks that are in the business and, you know, I ve been told that I m not
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I m a hard act to put on a shelf.
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You don t know where to put me.
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So they don t know how to market or sell this confused kid who plays power chords and listen to Nirvana, who also loves Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre, who thinks that Thelonious Monk is one of the baddest dudes on the planet, who wants to play harmonica like Sonny Boy Williams.
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And they re like, what the fuck are you?
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You re Gary Clark Jr.
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Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.
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But it s a weird time, you know, like just people want to be able to call you something.
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So they tried to do the whole next Jimi Hendrix thing and that didn t really work out.
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I kind of rebelled on that and they were like, oh fuck, now what?
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So here we are, you know what I mean?
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But, you know, there s no reason not to try shit.
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All my favorite artists tried shit.
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I mean, that s why I like Prince, unapologetically, Stevie Wonder.
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That s also why I like hanging out with you motherfuckers, because y all just be trying shit.
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You know where the wall is when you hit that motherfucker and go, oh!
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You know?
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Well the thing about our thing is we have to do it in front of people yeah, so it s me Stoned in front of a computer going.
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Oh, this is so crazy right shit Put it on my phone, and then going all right.
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Let s see mm-hmm Let s see what other people they d see how it comes to life, but you can create all kinds of magic alone
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That s a different thing.
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Well, I might think it s magic and you never know I think it s magic till the thing drops So we ll see what happens.
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But yeah, I feel good about it.
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Thanks for listening, man.
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Oh my pleasure Dude, I don t know you a thing kicks off our fucking night almost every night at the mothership Whoo, we get in that green room.
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We get in that green room.
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We want to get things popping That s I don t know your thing is a fucking that s a work of art.
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It s just a class.
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It s kind of a rude It s awesome
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Yeah, it s awesome.
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It s awesome.
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Yeah, but congrats on One year, man.
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Thank you one year.
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Yeah, it s crazy.
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That s awesome flew by Yeah, like we just opened y all been doing it man that word on the street y all are taking over.
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It s game-changing It s fun for real.
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We got so many guys moved here now.
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Oh, I know they re my neighbors now
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Way out in the country Well, that s the smart way to live man.
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I tell everybody I go attack it from the outside Yeah, like Tony Hinchcliffe.
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He likes living in the city.
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I m like, that s great everything like that You re gonna go crazy.
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You want to be outside get that balance when I lived in LA I lived way outside of LA in in the hills with coyotes and mountain lions.
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I d worry about Hawks Yeah, you know there was like the things that I would think about I d like just that quiet Just quiet and then get into the crazy and then get back to the quiet
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Choice yeah Like the way you re doing it s perfect live in the country just relax Yeah, when you get outside here drink a cup of coffee in your porch, man.
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You just chill Birds and shit.
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Yeah, beautiful grass and trees I Become such a fucking nerd brother I
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I ve been sitting outside and walking around my house.
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I ve gone to the camera store.
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I ve spent way too much money on camera gear trying to capture the perfect clip to send National Geographic of the Mexican eagles in my backyard.
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You have Mexican eagles in your backyard?
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I m just sitting out there with a crazy zoom lens.
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I m just quiet, stalking them.
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Trying to get this shot.
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Yeah, I spend way too much time out there.
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So you got one of those big, crazy nature lenses?
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I m that guy.
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I think I might quit music and try and get a gig doing that.
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I d get off doing that.
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Like I m I get yeah.
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Yeah Yeah, man Crested Carica.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Is that you say it Cara Cara Cara Cara Cara Cara Cara
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Mexican Eagle what a fucking beautiful animal.
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Yeah, you have those in your yard.
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Yeah, there s like there s a family of like three of them They swoop down and hang out all the time.
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I had a hawk try to sweep in on my chickens the other day mm-hmm chickens in the backyard and all the
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and all of a sudden the chickens start going, flopping their wings and running around and I look up and there s this hawk circling.
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You gotta watch out for those motherfuckers.
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I saw a hawk swoop up a kid and I didn t think about that when I moved out into the, this is on video or something, I don t know if this was fake.
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It s probably an eagle.
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Yeah, but I was like I didn t even think about Having to look out for that in the country because the hog came down and swooped up or swooped down and got one of my chickens Right in front of my boy.
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He was like five at the time.
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He s like, what is that?
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I was like, whoo, that s you know, that s that s the world happening.
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That s nature That s how it goes down in the real world.
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Exactly.
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Not this weird thing that we ve constructed to insulate ourselves from it
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and think that we re the most powerful.
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I mean, when you sit out there and you see a hawk swoop down and grab another, you know, sizable animal and just take off with it, you re like, okay.
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You know, okay.
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It s not that safe.
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I mean, I walk around
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Out there on my property and there s been a couple of times where I ve almost stepped on a rattlesnake.
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Yeah, you know My wife and kids just stepped over a rattlesnake getting out of the truck right there in the driveway and those little baby rap Rattlers they had no idea look down stomped on his head.
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I was like You know, you don t have to think about crazy things like that, you know going fishing my daughter caught a water moccasin and
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oh shit yeah fishing line yeah she was all excited daddy i got a snake i was like yo not that one not that one that is not the one you want wow on a hook yeah on a hook it was like a when i was little um
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Like when I was a little kid pose it s like a Elsa or one of those little princess Right, right, you know reeling in cottonmouths Wow like nothing Yeah, I didn t know they bought they bought on the line like that like they they ll attack bait.
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I didn t know that either Mm-hmm
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So come get some of that if you want to step out of the city, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, but uh, I love it though.
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Yeah, I did too.
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I love getting into the madness.
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You know, I don t want to hate on it.
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I mean, I love wandering in.
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I love wandering around downtown with the camera, popping into certain spots and, you know, checking on y all, go to the blues spots and catch the madness and got excited myself, shake it up a little bit and, you know, and then just take it back home and get the zoom lens out and nerd away.
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But it s a good balance of different things.
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And if you want to go see live shit, this town is so good for that, man.
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There s so much live performance going on.
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There s so much comedy, there s so much music.
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Yeah, it s great.
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I like seeing the musicians watching the comics and the comics watching the musicians.
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I like that.
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I love watching music because I have no talent.
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I love watching a thing where I have no talent in I ve no I ve never played anything So I m watching just like you re doing magic up there.
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Look at these guys doing magic.
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I brought a guitar for you and at least We re gonna teach you how to play an E chord before I get out of here.
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Okay, I ll try.
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Yeah, I ll try it I ve never even tried it.
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Well, that s the problem.
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I
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Is that the problem?
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No, the problem is, here s the problem.
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I know my brain.
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I have a dangerous brain.
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My brain can t get interested in things, because then it s all in.
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And then it s like, fuck eating, let s do this all day.
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So I ve learned through all my years how to keep that wolf in a cage and not to let it out.
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So that s why I don t play golf.
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Gotcha.
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Because I m addicted to pool.
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It s a real problem.
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I can play like a hare under professional speed when I m on.
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When I m really on, I ve been practicing for several hours.
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I ran three racks the other day.
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Three racks in a row.
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That s big.
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Four and a quarter inch pockets.
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Yeah, see that s the problem like I ll get like that with music I would get like that with anything I get like that with golf for sure.
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I see Jamie.
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He s a full-on junkie He s a full-on junkie.
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He s got a simulator out there, and I ll come here and like when I pull the car up He s driving balls into the simulator and mapping it out on a fucking computer obsess
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Obsessed with his club speed.
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He s got fucking killer drive to you like set up to the whole sensor thing I ve watched it get you though.
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That s what s interesting like when we first met you were not in the golf like how many years ago Did you get in the golf when we got here?
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When we got to Austin.
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So four years ago.
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So in four years, he s become a stone cold junkie.
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Got you.
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So is Hinchcliffe.
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Stone cold junkie.
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Ron White.
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Ron White s a junkie.
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You also caught a lot of people that whatever the pandemic did, the golf bug went around.
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It was the only things you could do then that s not what I was playing, but it was but yeah it seems to me like It s one of those things that once you do it, and you you do it, and you start getting better at it You just fucking love it, and then everybody becomes an addict.
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I know very few people who dabble in golf I
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A lot of people, they ll play pool a little bit here and then, but they don t get fully addicted.
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Golf people get just addicted.
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I don t get that.
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I m scared of that too.
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I get that now.
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Understanding your own brain.
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I don t gamble.
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That s it.
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I don t play golf, any of that, because it s over for me.
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It s already a problem with these stupid cameras.
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My wife is like, you re not a fucking ... What are you doing?
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But yet you are.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You are.
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You are whatever the fuck you want to be.
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I m obsessed.
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Yeah.
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I don t like people telling you what to do.
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That drives me nuts.
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When I hear people telling you what to do about giving you advice on music, just shut the fuck up.
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Everybody shut the fuck up and just...
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Market, whatever he does.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah, right I did it you sell it but you know, the thing is is That it s it s it s not people telling me what to do.
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It s meetings and Suggestions, right?
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So I m translating it as people tell me what that is Suggestions it s as much as they can do as much as they can tell Gary Clark jr.
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How to make music They re gonna give it a shot.
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Well
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You know?
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You know what I m saying?
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It s just annoying.
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Existing comedy, too.
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They re always telling comedians, do this, do that, dress nice, do this, do that.
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Stop talking about COVID.
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Stop talking about this.
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You know, you ll lose 5% of the audience when you do this, and 10% when you do that.
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Shut the fuck up.
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Shut up.
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Yeah, I was in a conversation the other day in New York talking about a set list.
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You should put this in this order, and do this, and this.
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I was like, you know what?
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Y all talk about it.
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I don t want to.
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I m leaving this conversation.
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I m gonna go up on the roof.
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I m gonna put some smoke in there and then I m gonna do my fucking show It s a funky business, you know, they re all like that Gary yeah, they re all like that TV was like that and
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When I was on news radio, it was maddening.
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Because here you have this guy, Paul Sims, this brilliant writer from the Larry Sanders show, all these amazing cast members, this incredible writing staff.
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And then you have the network.
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You need a wacky neighbor.
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You needed this, you needed that.
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We need to have a hot girl that Dave s interested in.
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There was always something.
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Like, stay the fuck out of this.
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Stay out of this.
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But they can t help themselves.
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Yeah.
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And you have to listen to them because they re the executives.
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They re the people that have the money.
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Right.
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Okay.
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And you love doing the art.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So it s this weird relationship.
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You know, that s one of the best things about comedy is you don t really have that relationship with anybody anymore.
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We used to have it with TV, but now it s all gone.
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Yeah, you guys can do whatever you want.
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I was telling a couple of guys, when I show up to the comedy spot, you guys are nice enough to give me free drinks, and so I take advantage, and then I start to...
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I start to going off, man, you guys are the real fucking rock stars.
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You can just do whatever the hell you want.
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Nobody can tell you shit.
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You just go.
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You just go.
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But I mean, it is true.
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You guys got a freedom in a creative space to say whatever you want at any time.
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And that s cool.
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It s inspiring.
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It s fun, especially at that place.
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Because that place is made for us, by us.
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It s all ours.
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We re the only ones who own it.
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Nobody owns it but us.
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Everybody else has to listen to us.
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That s never been the case.
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It s always been there was an owner, and the manager is hired by the owner, and they give you the rules.
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So the rules are now, I go in the green room, what do you guys think?
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And everybody just starts giving off opinions.
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I think this, I think that, I m like, okay.
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Do it that way.
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That s cool.
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We all agree?
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Okay, we ll do it that way.
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That s amazing.
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So because of that, we ve been able to just have it like a real safe haven.
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It really is like a mothership.
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Yeah.
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Because everybody there goes and travels and does the road, but they come back home to home base.
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They come back to the mothership.
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That s how you build the community.
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That s a prime example.
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Yeah.
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And it s just like, everybody who comes here is looking for that too.
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And so then when they get it and they realize, oh, this is real.
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Like, this is real.
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This isn t just like, everybody wants that thing.
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You know, like, oh, I wish there was a place we could go.
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We all just hang out together and every night just do shows and everybody s creatively inspiring everybody.
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And then once you actually have it, you re like, oh my God, it can be real.
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It can be real.
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Because we had it a little bit at the store.
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We had a lot at the store in LA, but we also had owners and you know who are great We had managers we had Hollywood agents would come there s always people s managers hanging around There was all these there s a lot of other stuff there, you know and then there s also the Hollywood feel which is a different feel because what percentage of those people out there in the audience are in the business like a giant chunk of
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At least half.
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At least half those people out there in that audience are actors or writers or producers or executives or someone who does something that has to do with the business.
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Out here it s just folks.
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Yeah.
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It s just folks.
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Yeah.
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It s better that way.
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It really is.
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It s just people who just love the shit.
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Yeah.
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It s just fans.
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Just comedy fans who just have all kinds of different jobs.
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All kinds of different things they do with their life and they just want to come out and have a good time.
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It s awesome Yeah, and it s just it s magical It s very cool.
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That s for me the absolute best thing that came out of the pandemic Number one moving here number two being able to set that place up Yeah, well, I thought I mean As a fan, I think that s one of the best things that come out of the pandemic too.
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So here s cheers to you, man Thank you one year.
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Thank you, sir.
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Yes indeed Mmm
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Yeah, it s exciting.
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We thought about doing one somewhere else, but I was like, you know what we really should do?
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We should do one for like the summer in Montana.
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Just find some fucked up town in Montana, have people fly into it, just do a mothership in Montana.
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Montana would be amazing.
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I love Montana.
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Montana s amazing.
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Montana would, yeah, that would blow up, dude.
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Yeah, Tony s like, don t fucking do it.
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Don t go to, I m not going to Montana.
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I m like, come on.
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And Duncan was like, I ll get a house in Montana, let s go.
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Montana s beautiful.
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Duncan s thinking about doing mushrooms in the fields, staring at the stars.
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I m with Duncan on that.
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I m with that 100%.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, that d be cool.
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You thinking about expanding?
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Possibly.
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That was the only thought.
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Just buy some land in Montana.
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some weird town, Montana, and just put a mothership up.
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Drop the mothership in the middle there.
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See who comes.
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It get interesting, man.
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Montana s got some funky, cool folks out there.
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It does.
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But you also have a lot of people that travel.
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That s what s interesting, too.
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That s one of the things we found out about this spot.
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It s not just like people in Austin that are coming to these shows.
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It s people traveling from all over the world.
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So it s almost like a little Vegas residency type deal.
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It s become a destination.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, if you could do that to a small, funky town in Montana.
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If you only have like 120 seats, you could get a lot done.
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Make it better.
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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Well, I ll be there.
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I ll be out there trying to learn how to fly fish and I ll drop in on you.
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Fly fishing is kind of fucked up because they let those fish go most of the time.
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Well, this is weird the hippie in me gets that I get that too But the hippie in me says well why catch him then the hippie in me is like what you re just fucking with these fish Yeah, it s like you re just trying to get the juice that feeling that you get when you catch a fish.
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Yeah that wild feel I m guilty.
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Oh god me too.
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I ve done it.
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I ve done catch and release especially bass fishing
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Yeah, I mean everybody catches and releases.
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Yeah, absolutely I got it, you know I got a little spot out of my house and we catch and release every now and then fillet him up catfish or whatever and stuff like that, but For the most part just hang with my kids and learn how to you know, be patient Chill out wait for something and
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I know, when is a fish gonna bite?
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When s a fish gonna bite?
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When you shut the fuck up, chill out.
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Yeah, that s my next quest that I m probably scared of because a buddy of mine, Jacob Skiba, he s a guy I work with in the studio, producer, engineer.
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While we were recording, he went out and he s gone on a couple of fly fishing expeditions and he s kind of hooked.
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He s like, you gotta come out there with me.
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And I m like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then next thing you know, I quit playing guitar and I m the guy fly fishing with the big zoom lens out there in Montana waiting for the mothership to open.
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Yeah.
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That s the thing is like when people say that they get bored, I m like, how can you be bored?
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There s so many things to do.
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There s so many things to do in this life.
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Absolutely.
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There s so many things to get interested in.
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You know, how could you be bored?
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To me, it s like my problem is the total opposite.
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I just can t have more things that I m interested in.
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Yeah, I like.
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to get to a feeling where I m bored or feel like I have time to be bored because I can, you know, invest my time in certain things like photography or, you know, it gave me an outlet to go chase something down.
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And for better or for worse, I feel like fulfilled, like I m learning a new skill, I m challenging myself.
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I m never satisfied.
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There s so much to know, and there s so much to do, but I m like a hands-on guy, so it s like, you know, if I m bored playing guitar, I ll try and figure out something on piano.
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If I m bored playing piano, like I have bagpipes.
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I don t know why I have bagpipes, but just in case I get the time to get bored, maybe I ll figure out how to play bagpipes.
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You know, just weird shit.
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Well, it s something about learning a new thing that excites a part of your mind that doesn t get excited any other way Because once you already know how to do something Then you re just kind of practicing that thing that you already do and you re very comfortable with it It s a normal thing that you do.
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But when there s a new thing, it s like what how does this work?
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What s this lens?
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What happens when I turn it left?
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Oh shit.
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Yeah, right and they re like, okay.
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What is the aperture?
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What does that mean?
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Like what s exposure time?
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How much what is it?
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So at nighttime you set it different good thing
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And then you start getting into the books and into the weeds and you know, I got like that with archery I nerded nerded out hard archery.
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So I know so much shit about archery Yeah, but there s so many layers to that too.
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Like there s people that like my friend John Dudley.
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I ll talk to him about that I don t even know what the fuck he s talking about, right?
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He s talking about torque lean and you know Torque setting bows and like what torque tuning what?
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Oh
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I ve got a, my brother-in-law is really into ball.
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I think I hit you up when I was over there in Australia.
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He was like, hit up Joe and ask him what kind of ball he s using.
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But yeah, he s really into that.
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My mom s real into archery.
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Really?
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Yeah, my mom, I m gonna put you out there.
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My mom doesn t mind being in a smoky room.
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She started playing drums and she s into archery now.
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Wow.
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She s out here getting it.
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Playing drums and shooting bows and arrows.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it s really badass.
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That s badass Wow.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah archery is an addictive thing too because At the moment when you re aiming at the target and you re at full draw.
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It s impossible to think of anything else
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It requires so much concentration that the world goes away and you have this insanely narrow focus.
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The insanely narrow focus is the place where you want that arrow to go.
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All these different things have to be in order.
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Your scapula has to be aligned.
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Your elbow has to be high.
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Your right arm has to be pulled back.
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Your left arm has to be locked and stabilized.
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You have to release your hand.
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So you re just pushing with the palm of your hand, no movement of your hand whatsoever.
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And then you have to relax the shoulder somehow while extending fully.
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And all the while, you have to fight anxiety.
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You don t want to pull it quick.
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You want to make sure you just get it locked in there.
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So when all that is going on, there s nothing else in the world.
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I got a lot of things on my mind.
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I m too busy, I m too this, I m stressed out.
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I just go out there with some arrows.
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And then within 20 minutes, I feel great.
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It s like... My only time to think about other bullshit is while I m walking over to the target and get my arrows.
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Pulling the arrows out and then back to what I was doing.
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Start sprinting to that motherfucker.
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Yeah, if I could just keep fire and target, never have to go get the arrows, there would be no thinking at all.
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I get that.
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I can kind of relate that to playing guitar in a way.
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You can t, in order to, you know, it s kind of a precision that your hands got to work in sync and coordination and you got to be precise with it or else it kind of all falls off the rails and you can t really think about anything else.
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It s not like you can,
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Be on the phone and play guitar or something.
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You can send emails back and forth You can t really be in conversation with people.
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You just have to be locked in
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to execute, you know?
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And you know which shots are better than the others, you know which chords are played stronger than the others, you know which notes are gonna sting, you know what I mean?
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It s like, that s the note.
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Bullseye, motherfucker.
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I can kind of relate in that way.
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You can t
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It s like flow state.
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Check out.
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You gotta be there.
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You have to put in 100% or else you re not gonna be great.
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I think that s a lot of things in life.
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I think there s a lot of things in life that people gravitate towards because I think there s a great value in having a thing that takes the rest of the world away.
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That thing could be golf, like it is for Jamie.
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It could be anything.
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Whatever it is.
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But there s a real value in having a thing that takes the world away.
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I think so.
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I think so.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My name would have been... I d have had a lot longer rap sheet if I hadn t found guitar at a young age, I think.
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You know, just being lost, confused.
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So many people out there.
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Yeah, if I hadn t found martial arts, God damn.
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I have no idea what would happen to me.
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It was the only thing that I had ever done that made me feel like I wasn t a loser.
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I was like, all of a sudden, I found a thing that I know that I can do.
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And if I just go all in,
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So that s why I have this problem with getting addicted to things, because that was the first one that I really got really addicted to.
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And then it just sort of transmuted, it changed just the way I interact with everything.
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Did you have a good experience off the bat?
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Did you notice that you were a winner immediately?
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Not immediately, but pretty quickly.
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I had an aptitude for it.
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I understood it.
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I understood distance.
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I understood how to hit things hard.
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There was like, and then it was the exciting thing about it, like you re moving, there s moving targets, they re moving at you, you re moving at them.
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Like this, like solving this puzzle of human reflexes and instincts and flinching at them and fainting them, getting them to react and then gauging what that reaction is going to be.
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different ways to set things up.
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It s like so multi-layered and multi-faceted.
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And when you re young, you re so fast.
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Like you can move so quick.
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It s exciting.
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And you learn so quick, too.
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Sure.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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So it s just you see instantaneous reward.
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Because if you re learning something while your body is growing,
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it s the best, because your body grows into these movements.
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So your body has like a built-in way of doing these things from its, like literally from the ground up.
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Once you re a grown man, and you try to teach a grown man like kickboxing, it s like, oh, okay.
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You know, you re just like so accustomed to doing certain things with your legs.
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You get these grown-ass 30-year-old man legs, and I m gonna try to teach you how to throw a spinning back kick.
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Yeah, that s why I haven t signed up yet It s worth doing it just for fun though sure and it s that s another thing like when you re doing that You ain t thinking about if you re sparring or if you re you know doing jiu-jitsu training, you re not thinking about anything else You cannot think about anything else.
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You just fully locked in to this thing that you re doing.
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Yeah, that makes sense man, I wish I d grown into my
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a body while playing basketball because I m six foot four and a whole waste of space.
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I have no skills.
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I have a 15 foot jumper that I m pretty confident in, but I have no handles.
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I m like, you know, I just, it s a waste.
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People ask me.
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You play basketball?
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Nope.
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Didn t get that.
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And I tried, man.
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I tried.
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I had friends who had the shoes where you could build your calves for jumping, and I was out there doing drills, walk around with weights and all that shit.
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I was really trying to get there, man.
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I got no hops, no court awareness.
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It just wasn t my thing, bro.
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I m like a deer in headlights on the basketball court.
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It s embarrassing, bro.
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Yeah, so I try and get out there with my kid now, he plays basketball and I m struggling, my knees are popping.
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40 year old reality.
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Damn.
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I didn t.
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Yeah, that wasn t my forte.
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But hey, you can t be everything.
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No, you cannot be everything.
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And if you try to be everything, you ll be nothing.
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I agree.
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Yeah, you just it s not you got to pick lanes.
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Sure.
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You can have a couple lanes.
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But you can t have too many in each lane will take away from the resources that that other lane has available.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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That s
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So I try and tell my wife all the time.
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I can t focus on that right now.
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I m trying to stay in my lane.
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People that don t have to do that don t understand it.
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Sometimes people come to me with business stuff and I m like, this is not, I can t talk right now.
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I ve got shit going on.
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I m busy.
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Let s talk about this when it s absolutely necessary and never a minute before.
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That part.
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Yeah, say it again loud for the ones that didn t have the volume up.
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Yeah, eventually we could talk about this, but not now.
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Seriously, man.
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They ll try to talk to you about important shit right before a show.
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This is so crazy that you re doing this.
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Like, you don t even understand what you re doing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Really.
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That s one of my biggest issues with doing shows.
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And there s like some sort of, you know,
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business element involved.
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Because, you know, when you re out just on the road with your touring crew or whatever, there s not that, those conversations, it s not those talks.
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Everybody kind of gets it, reads the room.
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When you have folks that come in and go, hey, I was thinking about this idea with this company.
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It s like, the tour manager comes in and goes, five minutes.
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And it s like, I m trying to get my monitors on, I m trying to perform with my boys, I m trying to, you know.
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And they re just selfish.
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Yeah.
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You re a captive audience.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It s like, man,
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Get the fuck up.
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I finally got you alone.
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I want to talk to you about this cryptocurrency.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, right Yeah, no, thanks But yeah, that s part of this part of it, I guess it s just it s weird and kind of funny if you think about it It is kind of weird just you know, what s all these different personalities are interacting with each other You know, you have the creative personality and you have all the business people and the people that are support team.
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Yeah It s odd relationship
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Yeah, sure.
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Whenever you mix business and art, there s just two totally different mindsets.
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Yeah, it s north and north.
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Yeah, that s why people get real suspicious.
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SPEAKER_00
If an artist gets real business-oriented, starts opening up a bunch of businesses and gets all business-y, people are like, oh, what are you doing?
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I want you to be an artist.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
That s what I like about you, dummy.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that s what I like about you.
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SPEAKER_00
I like that you don t know anything.
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I like that you re out there just being wild.
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Have a good fucking time.
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Have a bunch of people that do that shit for you, man.
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Don t get involved.
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That s the scary part.
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When they start saying, don t worry about that, just be an artist.
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SPEAKER_01
Nah, Motherfucker, I m gonna be at your office tomorrow, early in the morning.
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SPEAKER_00
Let me see that spreadsheet.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, what s going on?
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Yeah, well that s a true, that s a story as old as time.
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Artists that s been ripped off, didn t even know they were getting ripped off.
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Yeah, yeah, it s it s definitely true.
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It s you know, there s there s things that I ve had to learn in the business, you know Not to get into too much but yeah, there s definitely things that you aren t looking for or looking out for and people don t necessarily tell you because you re not
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able to be in those rooms to have those conversations so things kind of slip by you it s like you and your homies trying to figure this out you know it s like your boy who s an attorney who you know went to UNLV but doesn t know anything about entertainment law it s like
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you know doing your contract it s like oh you know what i m saying it s like yeah yeah so there s just things that that that you got to figure out but you just got to keep your eyes and ears open and ask questions the worst one is when someone has a legit manager and then their friend is like bro i could be your fucking manager uh-huh
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And you re like, yeah, man, you know, you re like a brother to me, man.
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I trust you.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, that s the, that s, that s it.
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That one goes sideways 50% of the time.
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That s it.
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5-0.
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You got a one, one out of two chance of that thing going completely sideways.
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Yep, absolutely.
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And so many guys go that way.
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You know, Mike s managing me now.
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I got a new manager.
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It s my wife.
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My wife s manager.
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I m like, what?
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What are you doing?
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Get a professional.
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Get somebody who knows what the fuck they re doing.
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Absolutely.
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All that bro shit.
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you know things start to get funny yeah that relationship starts to get funny but yeah that s how dudes develop entourages that s a wild one man speaking of entourages I had to talk up I had to just tell my dad is going crazy oh no I love my pops but I
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I mean, he shows up to my shows and this dude all of a sudden is sitting courtside at Spurs games.
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He shows up to my shows with like 30 folks, 30 deep.
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He s got a table at the Moody Theater.
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He s living his best life.
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He s just squatted up around town.
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People talk to me about him all the time.
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My dad is out here getting in in Austin, Texas.
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It s pretty funny.
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Wow.
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But yeah, he s like, my pops is a superstar out here.
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That s awesome.
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Yeah, it s good.
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He s having a good time.
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Just having fun.
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Yeah, enjoying it.
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Yeah.
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You know, it s definitely enjoying having a kid who s known around town.
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Yeah.
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That s good.
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Oh man, he must be so proud.
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Yeah, he s getting a little bit ridiculous.
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Showing up 10, 15 deep.
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Entourage!
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Hitting me up, hey man, can you get me into this spot?
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How many people you got?
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Oh, just a couple.
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When Dave rolled, when Dave Chappelle came to the mothership, he came with three SUVs.
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He s got, he had like three Escalades filled with people.
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How do you fit anywhere?
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Oh man, he s got family, he s got friends, he s got fellow comedians, musicians.
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He just travels with people, he loves it.
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It s like a party everywhere he goes.
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I get that.
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I understand that.
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He has it managed well.
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He has good people with him.
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He knows what he s doing.
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But it s like, the way he s got it set up, it s pretty fun.
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It s all just, every day s a good time.
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Get it get a IV Vitamin IV drip.
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Yeah, I was around for that.
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Yeah Yeah, we actually yeah, yeah, I was definitely Around for some of those fun times.
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It s good hanging with those that crew.
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Yeah, but that s a good that s a dude.
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I was on garage Yeah, it s on garage.
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I get that.
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Yeah, I get it.
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I
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But yeah, I could never be that guy.
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I like to roll solo.
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I like to just kind of be on my own.
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I can make my own decisions.
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If I want to pivot, go left, I can go left.
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If I want to go right, I can go right.
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I don t necessarily have to.
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Maybe that s selfish of me and kind of a lone wolf.
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No, it s probably smart because it gives you time to think I think the problem with Dave is he s so famous He can t be alone.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, it s just you can just show up somewhere.
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He ll also he won t be alone It ll be a giant crowd of people.
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Yeah Let s go crazy.
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Absolutely
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I get that.
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Can I take a picture with you?
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I get the every now and then dude who plays guitar, who s like, man, I ve been watching you for, you know, since I was a kid, or like really drunk, like older lady who wants to like kiss on me, you know, while I m hanging out, waiting for some to-go food or whatever.
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It s like, that s kind of my, that s my interaction.
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That s good.
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That s a good level of interaction.
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Yeah, it s a certain level like a Dave Chappelle level.
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I think it becomes unmanageable Yeah, I was having a conversation with cat cat Williams about that like you asked him to come to the club He s like, I don t do clubs Nervous being around all those people like they re too close to me.
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Ah, I was like you got too famous.
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Yeah, you got too famous Yeah, he has to have an entourage.
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Oh
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Yeah, I mean, I get that.
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I get that.
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That s so perspective that I don t know anything about.
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Yeah, I m just speaking from a dude who, you know, a small community of music folks.
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Yeah, you know, I can move around.
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But it s perfect.
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Yeah, it s pretty good.
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That s perfect.
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No, it s good.
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But I want these people to buy millions and millions of records and fill up arenas.
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You know at the same time right exactly right.
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I think I ve kind of you know fuck myself I was like I should have gone like the gorillas router like Daft Punk or something like that were you in a mask?
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You could just show up anywhere, that s true right gorillas can just hide yeah kiss had that forever sure You know I remember when kiss took their makeup off everybody s like oh, what year was that I?
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Like the 80s, I think.
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Yeah.
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I think it was the 80s.
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It was Kiss Unmasked.
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I couldn t imagine.
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Like, oh my God.
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They used to be able to go around town.
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So they would go out and like, they would like, I remember Gene Simmons was dating Cher.
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And he would go out, but he put a bandana on like he s during COVID times.
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All right.
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Yeah.
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So we almost got a picture of him.
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So this is like half blurry pictures of someone s side of their face with their hand up.
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That s all you got to kiss forever.
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That s cool.
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I kind of miss those days of that mystique.
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You got a comic for it?
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Does that really look great?
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Yeah, see how he s wearing the bandana?
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That s how he used to go around town.
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He used to wear a bandana.
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You know how ridiculous that is?
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It s 1980.
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Yeah.
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I don t think that s cool.
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I was like going into high school when they did that.
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Oh, damn.
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What a crew, man.
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They didn t get the love they deserved because people had already thought it was corny to have makeup on for some reason.
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They didn t have real hit records.
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Their songs didn t play on the radio that much.
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If they played on the radio, it was rare.
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You don t think so?
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Kind of grew up as kiss being a household name.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, yeah.
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Well, they were huge They sold millions of records.
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They sold out arenas, but they weren t getting love on the radio It was just fans and there was a thing that were like people would be embarrassed to be a kiss fan.
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SPEAKER_02
Really?
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Yeah Yeah, you d be embarrassed other kids make fun of you Why cuz you like those idiots of makeup on the fuck is wrong with you?
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Like bro kisses the shit
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That doesn t even seem like a thing now.
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Now it s not.
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But you have to realize like in the 1980s it was a thing.
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Right.
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Yeah, people would mock you if you re in a kiss.
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Damn.
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And then they became cool again.
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They became cool again somewhere in the 90s when they started going on tour again with makeup.
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Right, so they were gonna do like one last final tour they decided but that was bullshit.
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They just kept going everyone doesn t last to it Last last last last that s those marketing guys.
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I ll tell you what Gary.
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Yeah, this is your final tour This is we re gonna say he doesn t have to be a funnel for but we ll sell it as your final tour Yeah, we re gonna melt the shit out of people are gonna love it.
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Yeah, very excited to go see the last time Gary s gonna become a photographer
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He s just really gotten into photography, and we re gonna have to respect that.
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We re gonna have to respect his wishes.
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But this is his last tour.
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SPEAKER_00
Don t, Gary, don t quit.
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Don t go into pictures.
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Don t go... Don t go into photography, Gary.
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Don t do it.
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But it s just...
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Kiss came back in the 90s, and I went to see him with Kevin James.
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Me and Kevin James went to see Kiss when they came back.
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We were like, this is amazing.
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Was that in Hollywood?
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I think it was.
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I think it was in L.A.
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I think we saw him in L.A.
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It was incredible.
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It was incredible, with the makeup on, all the shit.
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Fire.
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man those guys really turned rock and roll into like entertainment yeah you know what I mean yeah like it was every single aspect of the show from the costumes to the pyro the timing the crazy antics to just I mean and then selling it like this big huge thing with the merch and the dolls and the crazy shit it was like
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I mean, they made it known that Kiss was a fucking thing.
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And they had the fans, I guess, to push it.
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They had a one-hour-long TV show where it was like a movie, like a made-for-TV movie.
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It was Kiss and the Phantom of the Park.
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And in the middle of it, like three quarters of the way into the show, the fucking power went on at my house.
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I was like, no.
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I can t believe this.
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I can t believe it s shut off.
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The power shut off.
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I was like, this is so fucked.
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This is Kiss and the Phantom of the Park.
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SPEAKER_01
It was like a real corny, made-for-TV movie.
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SPEAKER_02
How long were you waiting for this thing?
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SPEAKER_01
Well, when you were a Kiss fan, first of all, you had to find out from, like, the newspaper.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, how did you even know?
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Or you had to read the TV Guide.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, what?
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SPEAKER_01
Kiss has got a movie?
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Right.
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And it was maybe the dumbest movie that s ever been made.
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It s pretty dumb.
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It s so dumb.
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I mean, like, look at this.
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It s so corny.
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I mean, I might have to go back and watch it now.
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SPEAKER_01
It s so corny.
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It s literally so ridiculous.
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It s so bad.
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SPEAKER_02
So they re out here whooping ass?
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SPEAKER_01
They became superheroes for a while.
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I did not know this.
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It was one of the dumbest movies that s ever been made.
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Some of
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My favorite shit to watch is the dumbest shit.
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This is so dumb it might have been made by the Chinese.
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They might have done it to subvert American institutions.
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They might have done it to try to ruin young minds and just lower the standards of what is acceptable to the point where, you know, they could invade.
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I mean, that s a power move for sure.
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That s what they re doing right now.
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SPEAKER_00
That s a power move.
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SPEAKER_01
That s what they re doing right now with TikTok.
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Man.
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I firmly believe that.
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Russia and China are just fucking us sideways.
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I ll tell you right now, man, I ve been having conversations about music and sharing music and the way to be on TikTok.
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It s the way to get everybody to this crazy, fucked up, weird place.
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It s nasty in there.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, it s something that people are not designed to manage.
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SPEAKER_01
They don t know how to manage it.
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SPEAKER_01
They don t know what that experience is.
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SPEAKER_01
It s new to the human anatomy to have something that you re staring at, that you keep in your pocket, that carries 20 hours of battery life, and just flipping through things all day long, just giving a little tiny drip of dopamine every time.
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SPEAKER_01
Not much, just enough to keep you interested, and just flipping through that fucking phone all day long.
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It s changing the way people view things.
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It s changing what s acceptable.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, absolutely.
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I ve noticed that it changed me when we were sitting down for a little while, because I was just in my phone.
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That was the only way that I was getting information.
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SPEAKER_00
I wasn t hanging out with people.
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Yeah.
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It changes your anxiety levels.
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That s what I realized.
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It changed my anxiety levels.
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I was not sleeping.
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I was drinking a lot more than I normally would, just because I was, like, overthinking shit.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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That was COVID, too, though, the isolation.
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And that s I m not saying that this is what they did but if you wanted to do that if you wanted to Turn a population into a bunch of cowards
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One of the best ways is to isolate everybody.
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Isolate everybody, get them scared, give them one solution to get out of this thing.
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SPEAKER_01
Everybody else, against that solution, is the enemy and they re going to stop us from getting back to normal.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And you could do that through social media, especially through Twitter, better than you can with anything.
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SPEAKER_01
And it s just a weird way to get information.
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SPEAKER_01
I broke my phone once.
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I was in Hawaii.
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with my family, and I dropped my phone, it just started making phone calls.
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I would go, look at this.
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I was showing my wife, I d go, look at this.
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I d hang up, call someone else.
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Hang up, call someone else.
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Just calling people.
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Wouldn t stop calling people.
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So I had to shut it off, and I had to get a new phone, but it took three days for the phone to get there.
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SPEAKER_01
So for three days, I had no phone.
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Because every time I turned my phone on, I would just start calling people.
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So for three whole days, I had no phone.
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And I was like, ooh, I feel so much better.
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SPEAKER_01
And then part of me was like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_01
Fuck phones.
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SPEAKER_01
You should just have a phone and have nothing on.
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SPEAKER_01
Nope.
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SPEAKER_01
Went right back to it.
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Right back to Instagram.
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SPEAKER_01
Right back to Twitter.
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SPEAKER_01
Right back to YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01
Right back to Google.
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SPEAKER_00
Right back.
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SPEAKER_00
I know, I did the same shit.
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One person sends me a meme, oh shit.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s over.
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SPEAKER_00
It s over.
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SPEAKER_00
You re back in the game, man.
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SPEAKER_01
Someone sends me a funny video, I gotta sign back up for Instagram.
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SPEAKER_01
Let me see this, oh shit.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I got your same problem.
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SPEAKER_00
I got your same problem.
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SPEAKER_00
I gotta just, I have to consciously just leave it.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, well I have one phone that has nothing on it.
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SPEAKER_01
I have one phone that has no apps, doesn t have anything on it.
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SPEAKER_01
So if someone sends me, I gotta send a link to my other phone.
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SPEAKER_01
Nice.
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SPEAKER_01
And most of the time I don t click that link.
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SPEAKER_01
There s the hack.
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SPEAKER_01
That s the hack.
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SPEAKER_01
It at least has cut me back about 30% for sure.
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30% of paying attention to shit.
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SPEAKER_01
Unless someone says you have to seize this, this is insane.
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You know, okay.
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SPEAKER_01
I can use that 30%.
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Yeah, I ll use it on my 30% now.
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I m gonna use that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_01
That way also you can cut down
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on the amount of people that have your phone phone.
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You got your phone, and you got your phone phone.
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And the phone phone is like, this is the one that 20 people have.
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That s the way to go.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I was doing that for a while.
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When I lived in New York, I was doing that.
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And then I was wearing skinny jeans, and I couldn t do the skinny jean two phone thing, and my wallet, and my keys.
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SPEAKER_01
It was ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_01
You didn t accept the fanny pack in your life.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, look.
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Ah, the satchel.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve showed up with the satchel, bro.
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I m converted.
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SPEAKER_01
The satchel is the artist version of the fanny pack.
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SPEAKER_01
The fanny pack is saying, I don t give a fuck.
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SPEAKER_01
The fanny pack is like, I m a nerd.
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SPEAKER_01
I m a loser.
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I don t care.
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I do not care.
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SPEAKER_01
I m not ready for that yet, Joe.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, in Texas, you see people carrying fanny packs, a lot of those fanny packs have guns in them.
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SPEAKER_01
Especially those big ones.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
I know where I m at.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
This is the reason you see that dude with a fucking Bass Pro Shop hat and a fucking flannel t-shirt on.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, that guy.
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Yeah.
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With that fanny pack?
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, don t try.
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Origin boots on.
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Yeah, that dude, that s, there s something in that.
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That s a heavy fanny pack.
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I just see them cats and I just go.
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Yeah.
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Hey.
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Howdy.
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Good day.
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That s what I see people out here getting.
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I saw some dude getting road rage the other night at South by Southwest.
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Bro.
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Bro, this guy jumped out of his car, ran to the car in front of him, started yelling at the driver.
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I was like, do not do that, sir.
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I do not want to watch you get shot.
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They got to be from out of town because you can t do- South by Southwest?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You can t do road rage here, bro.
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No.
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You cannot.
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No.
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It goes south too quick.
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People don t fuck around out here.
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They don t fuck around, and they also don t know you.
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They watch too much YouTube, too.
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They re watching too much Instagram, too.
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They re seeing all the fucking riots and craziness and people getting pulled out of their cars.
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Everyone s seen those videos of someone getting fucked up in some sort of a road rage situation.
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Yeah.
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Any sense of a threat people are- Yeah.
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Hair trigger like real quick road rage in particular because everybody s People don t understand I ve said this ad nauseum, but I ll say it again when you re in a car You re hyper alert because you re going fast.
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There s all these things around you and you always have to be ready So your brain is at a seven already.
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Yeah, so when someone cuts you off, it s like motherfucker That s why like on the street if someone gets in front of you on the street.
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It means nothing.
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I
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Because you don t have to worry about crashing.
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There s no fear of this person stepping in front of you.
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It means nothing.
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I have no worry that I m going to crash into this man in front of me and we re both going to die.
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But when you re in a car and some guy changes lanes in front of you, you re like, motherfucker, dude.
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What are you doing, bitch?
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You roll down the window, you fucking idiot.
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And then you see him at the stop sign, you jump out of your car.
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Oh, dude.
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Don t do it.
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Yeah, I m guilty of... Yeah, I m yelling at people in my car.
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As long as you stay in the car.
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Yeah, I will motherfuck somebody with the windows up.
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Yes.
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That s fine.
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Normal.
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That s normal behavior.
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Yeah, and then I get to the light and I just give them a look like, you know I saw what you did.
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I m just acknowledging that I m not...
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with the bullshit yeah I just want you to know that I saw you I don t want no problems right but just check check come on man check it s a come on man and if it s a reasonable person that person s like what the fuck did I do that for yeah if it s a reasonable person my favorite though is when they just keep looking forward yeah
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Yeah.
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I know you can feel this.
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I know you can feel this.
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Yeah.
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Well, it s interesting watching the Texas culture get invaded by the California culture.
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You can see it in how they drive.
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Yeah.
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The people that are cutting people off and rushing to nowhere, you see it in how they drive.
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I notice it.
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I avoid certain streets based on that.
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So I m like, where the fuck did y all come from man?
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Well, that was South by Southwest South by Southwest basically like LA comes to Austin.
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Yeah, you know, yeah Yeah, I yeah, I stayed away for the most part.
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I had a couple of events during South by but I Love my city
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But that shit has just gotten crazy, man.
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Those festivals are nuts.
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It s wild.
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I used to have this one parking spot that people thought was a handicap spot, but it wasn t.
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It was right on the line.
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And I figured this out from years of spending way too much time wandering around on 6th Street.
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And I remember one year they took that spot away and I was driving around for like an hour and a half looking for parking.
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Fuck this place, man, this ain t my city no more.
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I love you, Austin, but yeah, I was like, oh man, the game has definitely changed.
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While we were driving to the club last night, we looked up, we saw five skyscrapers being built.
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There s five skyscrapers being built right now.
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I know all those folks who are building all that stuff.
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I know them, they re like my neighbors and shit.
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So they re like, come blow the city up and then come back to... Go back to the country, yeah.
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But there s so many apartment buildings being built.
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Yeah, it s wild.
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I ve never seen the city grow like this.
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I haven t either.
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I haven t either but I think it was inevitable.
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I mean, I think it was just one of them things.
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That s too good.
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Well, yeah, it s just too much of a gem.
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It s I blame you a little bit a little bit.
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I m responsible.
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I know I m responsible for at least 20 or 30 comedians.
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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Which is, which is amazing, because, you know, that s my favorite shit is you guys being down the street and come hang.
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But yeah, it s the city has grown in a way that
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is somewhat unrecognizable to me.
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Like everything that I kind of grew up on, grew up with is, you know, all my spots I used to hang out in are gone now.
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And so I was saying something to my old man the other day.
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And he was like, man, shut the fuck up.
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He s like, I ve been here my whole life.
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And what do you think that I think?
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What do you think that I ve seen?
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It s just change is inevitable.
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If you look at pictures from 1836, it s not the same spot.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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So it s just it s what s happening right now.
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It s a crazy time to be a part of it and see it up close, you know, because I m watching my little
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seeing familiar faces, all of a sudden it s like there s new energy, there s new folks around, there s new business, there s a new business sense here.
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It s cool and funny and funky.
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It s just change happening.
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I m in the middle of watching it.
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Yeah.
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I was hanging out with Elon at the very beginning of the pandemic, whenever I was scared to be inside.
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And I was telling him my plans to open up the club and all that stuff.
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And we were just talking about Austin.
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Austin s gonna go supernova.
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Yeah.
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He was right.
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Yeah, he was right.
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Yeah.
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Called it.
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Yeah, he called it.
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But it s still manageable.
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It s still like the traffic is nothing compared to LA.
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Man, I like it.
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I like that there s new
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shit here, you know?
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In the city that I grew up in, and you re looking for some excitement, and it s like it comes to you.
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You don t have to go look for it, you know?
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And just get in my car and come see some new shit, you know?
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It s exciting for me.
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It s all my favorite stuff happening around here, too.
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I think it s good.
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I think it s overall good.
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And also, I think that the people that are moving here are embracing
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this new life.
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They re embracing like it s a new city, it s a new vibe, new way of behaving.
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People are more friendly.
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So I think people adapt to that.
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When people move to an environment, they adapt to that environment.
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You know, they move to this town, they sort of take up the energy of the town.
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And this town already has like an established energy.
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Yeah, I m a little, I m still concerned about the driving though.
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Because they re getting aggressive?
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Yeah, they drive different.
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It s a little different.
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Yeah, it s a little different.
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But yeah, I mean, yeah, you move to a place that you love the energy, I suppose.
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It takes a little while to adapt.
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I mean, I m just watching it happen.
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I m watching it happen.
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It s cool to me.
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The tech people I worry about more than anybody.
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Because they re not artists.
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The tech people moving here, what they ve done to San Francisco, those wacky woke ideas.
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I m not even thinking about that, yeah.
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That scares the shit out of me, because there s a lot of them.
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I mean, look at that giant-ass fucking building that they built.
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That s a Google building, right?
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Or a Facebook building.
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Which one is it?
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Both of them.
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Which one s the sale?
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That cool sale?
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Google.
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Google.
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They put a giant-ass building right on the lake.
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Don t even know if I noticed that it s a giant-ass building right on Cesar Chavez, but then they just fired like 15,000 people so I think that place is mostly like vacant I Did they just overshoot I?
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Think they overshoot.
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That s it.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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That s a dope building um, so I think they overshot and I also think The reality is a eyes coming
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And there s so many people that are working in tech that will not have a job in five years.
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The job will be nonsense.
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They ll be like, you know, asking a person to make steel beams in his backyard with a fucking hammer and a pot.
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Like, no.
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Why would we do it that way?
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That s a stupid way to do it.
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We have steel mills, stupid.
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Why would I let you make your own girders?
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You know, that s dumb.
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It s dumb.
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It doesn t make any sense.
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Like, what we can do now, AI is going to be able to do better, more efficiently, much quicker, cheaper, no hiring people, no worrying about insurance or any of that shit that you have to worry about with people, 401K plans.
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Yeah, all that shit s gone out of here.
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And this is something that Andrew Yang was talking about when he was running for president.
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And I guess it was 2020.
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He was talking about that.
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And he was right.
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He was right.
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There s some things that are happening that 2020 or 2016 with Andrew Yang.
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I don t remember.
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16.
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And he was very concerned even back then.
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So this is eight years ago.
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He s saying like, AI is coming.
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And that s why he was pushing for universal basic income.
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Sorry, 2020.
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2020.
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So that s why he was pushing for universal basic income.
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He was saying, look, there s going to be so many people that there are no jobs.
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If you re a truck driver, you have 10 years.
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In 10 years, everything will be automated.
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There ll all be those giant electric trucks.
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They ll all be run by a computer.
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They ll never get in accidents.
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And they never get tired.
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And then you never have to worry about them doing meth and picking up hookers, going crazy, falling asleep at the wheel, driving into a fair.
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That s what makes the best Cops episodes.
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That s a world, huh?
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That truck driver world?
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Yeah.
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That s a world of wild folks.
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Well, you know, we tour on buses, and we got to fuel up at the same places where they do.
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And, yeah, it s a funky world out there.
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It s a funky world.
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A lot of dudes on amphetamines doing 12-, 13-hour runs, just wide eyes, huge pupils, just listening to fucking conspiracy theories on the radio.
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We had one of them drive us.
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Did you?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah crash the bus.
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Oh, no, really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well not crash the bus but like kind of ran the bus into He ruined the bus he was all doped up and super drunk and I
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Oh, no.
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Yeah, we didn t realize he was going through any of this type of stuff.
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So we were leaving a gig one night, and sure enough, he pulled the bus, crashed it into the gate.
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Oh, no.
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Had to grab this motherfucker.
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So he was fucked up at the gig?
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Yeah.
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So he got fucked up while the show was going on.
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Yeah, I guess he d just been going for, I guess, maybe a bender.
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We had a couple days off, I think, in a certain city.
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Dude was just going.
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I guess he just got into it.
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Said fuck it fuck all this shit.
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I don t care
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Yeah, that s a danger, right?
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Because you re just trusting this dude.
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And it s not like you re going to drug test him every day.
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No.
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He s a driver.
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You trust him.
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He s a professional.
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Yeah.
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He s got a resume.
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People have recommended him for years and years and years.
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He does his job.
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You do your job.
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How you doing, Frank?
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You want to sit down on the bus?
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Yeah.
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Meanwhile, Frank is just gone.
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No, we didn t.
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We didn t.
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Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
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Frank is on coke and tequila.
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Yeah, I ve been at the hotel lobby bar just going after him.
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Just all day long.
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Wow.
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Yeah, he shows up.
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He s like, hey, Riot s here.
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Oh, boy.
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He s like, I got this.
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Yeah.
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I got this.
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We just met him, I guess, at the wrong time.
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Yeah.
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He could have called him a month earlier.
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Everything would have been fine.
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Been cool.
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It s a balancing act for a guy like Frank.
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But I think about those truck drivers, man, and bus drivers who drive at all funky weird times at night.
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It s a lonely life.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It s a lonely life.
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If you have a family, too, you re sad.
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Your family s at home, it s 12 hours of driving to get back there.
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And then you re only there for a little while, you gotta go back again.
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Yeah, man, that s what kind of has been my problem with touring the way we ve been touring is being gone.
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Yeah, multiple times.
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Yeah, for long periods of time during the year.
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I only did that once.
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I only did the month thing once.
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Me and Charlie Murphy and John Heffron, we did this Bud Light Real Men A Comedy Tour once.
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Well, we did 22 dates in 30 days.
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And we were just out basically every night.
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Wake up in a hotel room, where am I?
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Where am I?
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I forgot where I am.
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And after that, I was like, I m never doing that again.
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Like Tom Segura that crazy fuck he ll do like 60 dates in a row He ll be gone for two months where he has a show almost every night.
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Yeah, and he s just going all over the place that his name
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The name of his tour was I m coming everywhere Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant But you know, that s what he was doing.
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Yeah, literally everywhere.
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Yeah everywhere everywhere.
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That s I mean I get that I would love to do
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just weekend fly dates do stuff like that but I got a whole band and production and my band is getting bigger and so you know it s like I ve got to do it but I decided this time I m just gonna bring my family with me and just yeah you know have them grow up out on the road instead of
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You did that for a while, right?
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You took your son when you were in Europe?
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Yeah, I took him out there.
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That s gotta be a great experience for him.
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Yeah, it was great.
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It was great for him.
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That little motherfucker, he didn t want to play guitar though until he saw Slash.
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I think I told you.
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He s like, man...
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Yeah, but uh yeah, so I think I d rather have them Come out and hang with me this time.
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Yeah, that s safer.
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It s like more fun You don t you don t get a sad and lonely and they don t feel weird and for them It s an experience like wow I get to see what dad s doing.
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Yeah crazy.
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Yeah, instead of just like FaceTime in them, right?
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Yeah, you know and picking up weird lingo from their funky ass friends at school What the fuck did you just say to me?
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Yeah, you just call me breath
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Nah, you re coming with me.
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Yeah, my kid started saying cap.
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Cap and no cap.
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I was like, what?
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What is that?
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What does that even mean?
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Where d that come from?
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I don t know.
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I don t know either.
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Times are a change.
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Times are a change.
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That s a better way to do it.
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But it s a different thing with a band, you know?
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You got a whole band.
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You got a bunch of other people.
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You know the crazy thing we were just talking I was talking to Shane Gillis and he was talking about his experience hosting Saturday Night Live and he s like Saturday Night Live only pays you $5,000.
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It s like you host it for a week it s $5,000 we re like that s crazy.
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But then I talked to Pat from the Black Keys and he was telling me he s like you want to hear it even crazier.
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He was like when you do a late night show it costs you money.
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Because you got to fly everybody out there, you got a band, you got hotels, you got this, you got that.
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Like, it costs you $50,000 to do a late night show.
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Yeah.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I just did that a couple times.
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Yeah.
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Catch me on such and such.
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Yeah.
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Watch them shits.
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Buy the album.
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Yeah.
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It s funky, like the whole promo thing and to do late night television.
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How effective is it now?
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Debatable.
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I don t know.
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I don t know how effective it is.
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It s not what it used to be.
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I don t think so.
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I mean, from my experience, the
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TV, promo, certain ways that were, I guess, the only way to move.
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It s not moving the needle as much.
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Maybe it s just for me, as my personal experience.
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I think it s for everybody.
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But it s not really moving like it used to, but it is still important in some capacity.
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I don t understand it, you know?
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But I m a fan, so to go play The Late Show with Letterman, to go play The Tonight Show, that s a dream to me as a kid.
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I love to be able to do that, to be able to step in that building and play Saturday Night Live or do whatever.
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It s just a thing.
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You know, you re investing in something when you re not really quite sure on what the return is.
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Right.
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But still, you re doing it because you just want to do it.
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It s a cool milestone.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And also, you know, in a record business, people aren t really, you got to be everywhere.
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Right.
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You know, and you got to do that and also be your own promotion on social media, which is a wild thing, you know.
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Yeah.
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And people are leaning on TikTok.
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I mean, I have meetings with folks about
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you know, what s, what s the plan?
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What s the strategy?
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What are we doing?
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Well, we got to get traction on TikTok, we got to do this.
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So I caught myself a couple times doing some goofy shit for TikTok.
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I don t like this, man.
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Like I don t this doesn t feel good to me right, you know, it feels yeah, it feels whorish it feels it s not in my character.
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It s yeah, it feels Fishy it feels reachy.
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Yeah, it feels gross And it s like well, this is kind of what s happening in the business and I m like, well, I don t know if this is
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I, you know, and these are these debate, well, this is where it s going.
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I m like, that s why I m gonna go be a fucking photographer.
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You know, it s like, it s is we it s, it doesn t feel
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like it should feel to me.
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Right.
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It doesn t feel authentic.
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Not at all.
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Yeah.
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And then and everything is you can t film sideways anymore.
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Everything s got to be vertical.
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Right.
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For the algorithm.
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What the fuck are we talking about?
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Right.
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Let s talk about some music.
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I feel like James Brown in it.
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Isn t it weird that the shape of the phone dictated the way you hold it?
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It s wild to me.
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And that s what we re talking about in music business meetings.
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That s funky.
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Because remember, before TikTok became huge, Andrew Schultz had that thing that he was doing on Instagram.
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It was like, turn your phone sideways.
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So he was telling everybody, hey, turn your phone sideways.
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They turned their phone sideways, and then he had it that way.
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Simple.
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Simple.
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Right?
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Simple.
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Do that.
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But now it became all about the reels, and you gotta be able to flip up from one reel to the next, so now it has to be vertical.
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And then it just keeps you going, it keeps you going, it keeps you going, it keeps you going, it keeps you going.
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What s gonna happen if those foldable things get adopted by everybody?
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Because I went into a rabbit hole last night.
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I got into foldables.
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Because I have one.
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I have a Z Fold Flip 4, whatever the fuck it is.
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What is that?
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Never used it.
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It s a Samsung foldable phone.
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I was like, this could be great.
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I ll be watching YouTube videos, much larger.
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But then you re carrying this brick around your pocket.
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And it folds.
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It s weird.
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The whole thing is weird.
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But eventually, I know a lot of people that have adopted those because they don t want to take a laptop with them.
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So if they have to answer an email, they ll open up the folds.
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So they can have a laptop.
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Set up basically in this 10 inch or 8 inch thing.
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Yeah, they got this little thing and then folds it and it s the size of a regular phone Huh?
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So what are they gonna do then with the with the if that becomes like if Apple releases a fold phone?
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That s when it s gonna take off Because right now it s like it s only Android phones have that now and you know, that s only like a certain percentage of the people especially like people that are
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You know, like most of the social media platforms are, they re made better on iPhones, like their apps are better.
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They re optimized for iPhones.
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So if they start doing an Apple foldable phone, I wonder if it ll be a different thing.
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Yeah, now you have to hold it sideways.
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Everybody s doing sideways now But that thing is though if a thing Organically becomes viral like if you have a song that you put out and organically becomes viral.
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There s no better promotion There s nothing better.
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Yeah, absolutely because everybody can share it.
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I go.
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Oh check this out Yeah, I ll share it to friends.
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They ll share it to their friends.
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They ll put it on Instagram They ll put it here.
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They ll put it there.
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They put it on Twitter and then next thing you know I
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Yeah, but you never know what it s gonna be, right?
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You can t.
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There s no way to know.
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Vegas.
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You have no idea.
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Yeah, it s a lottery.
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It s crazy.
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Like some things hit and you re like, how?
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And then other things don t hit and you re like, how did we miss this one?
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There s a song that we play.
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All the time.
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Can t play it anymore because of YouTube.
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Now we re on YouTube.
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This is dude Johnny Thunder.
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He wrote this song, I m Alive, from 1969.
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You ever heard this song?
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Bro, we ll cut it out.
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We ll cut it out.
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Jamie, play this song.
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We ll cut this out so that people on YouTube, just go look up Johnny Thunder, I m Alive.
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So this is a 1969 song.
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What the fuck did they do to Johnny Thunder?
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How did that happen?
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What did they do to Johnny Thunder?
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I ve never heard that.
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How did he not become a superstar?
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That s everything right there.
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It s everything.
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That s rock and roll, baby.
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It s amazing.
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And it s 1969.
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That is rock and roll.
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And Johnny s not with us anymore.
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He s gone.
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How did you find that?
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Brian Simpson.
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Brian Simpson came into the green room and was like, dude, you gotta hear this fucking song.
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It was written by someone else.
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Written by someone else.
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It s also on a Mountain Dew commercial right now.
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1968 it was released.
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It s in a Mountain Dew commercial.
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Mountain Dew s been listed in this podcast, guarantee.
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Thank you for sharing that, man.
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That was incredible.
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How good is that song?
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That s like hearing Hendrix for the first time.
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Right, right.
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Like, that s a superstar.
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Like, that s not just good.
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That changes your feeling.
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Your skin gets goosebumps.
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Yeah, I was going through it.
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I was going through a lot.
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I heard it a thousand times, and I still go through it.
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That was powerful.
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It s incredible.
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It s powerful.
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That guy should have been a superstar.
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Damn.
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Johnny Thunder should have been the fucking man.
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That s like my new shit.
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Is this another one?
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Tom Jones?
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Oh, this is the other version of it.
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The other version sucks.
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I m cool on this no disrespect, but no disrespect I want that I want the other version to be yeah Resonating the ring that other version is fine if I didn t know that Johnny Thunder existed But the thing is if a guy can make a song like that if Johnny Thunder can make a song like I m alive.
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I
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How is he that feel I feel like you just gotta get the right songwriters the right people with him and you got a fucking superstar How did they fuck that up if I heard that once?
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If I was like a music producer or an executive and I went to see this guy live and I heard that I d be like sign him sign him He s the one man twice.
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He s the one yeah that dudes out there He s out there
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And no one knows, and no one knew.
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And this is... I forgot we found this Bob Dylan quote before, I think.
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What did he say?
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Bob Dylan, who heard Thunder s I m Alive on radio, was asked for Rolling Stone s Yon Wenner that year if he was impressed by anything in the rock music scene and pointed to the song.
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Never heard of it either, huh?
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Well, I can t believe it.
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Everyone I ve talked to, I ve asked them, and they ve heard that record.
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It was one of the most powerful records I ve ever heard.
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It s called I m Alive by Johnny Thunder.
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Well, it was that sentiment truly expressed.
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That s the most I can say.
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If you heard the record, you d know what I mean.
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Yeah.
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Meanwhile, no one fucking knew.
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Oh, Samsung used it in 2015.
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Samsung used it in their advertisement for the Galaxy S6 Edge in 2015.
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It was also used in the soundtrack of the 2018 film American Animals.
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Since the 1960s, Thunders has continued to tour internationally, but has regularly appeared on luxury cruise ships.
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Wow.
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In the Caribbean and elsewhere.
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He s dead though, right?
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No, he s still alive.
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Oh, I thought he wasn t around anymore.
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His name is Gil Hamilton.
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He s 91 years old.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I was under the impression someone told me he wasn t around anymore.
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Bro, let me tell you something.
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That don t make any sense.
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That doesn t make any sense.
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Nah.
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That s like...
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Like a comic like Kinison doing that thing about a starving children ad on television.
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You ever see that bit?
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Uh-uh.
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Kinison had this bit about starving children on TV, like you re at home just making your food, sitting down in front of the TV, and Sally Struthers is on TV.
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Won t you please help?
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Yeah, right.
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And he goes, instead of sending these people food, send them something like me.
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Someone s going to go there and go, hey, we just drove 5,000 miles where your food is, and we realized
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Still the recording that he might have that or not there might be a few more But it s doing a children s nursery rhyme.
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He was convinced to do like his first thing as Johnny Thunder Hmm Don t hit quite No, that doesn t hit the same no, I m alive was the song you just need to get the right songs with the dude But if he could do that
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Like that s, you got magic, it s in a bottle.
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Now you gotta figure out how to, what s the formula?
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Like, get some writers, get some really good songwriters, sit down with that dude and let him go.
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Yeah, sometimes you just catch one.
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Sometimes you just catch a wave and you just go, man.
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Yeah.
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And you can t, you keep trying to chase that thing and it s just never the same.
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That is the craziest thing, the one-hit wonder.
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That is the craziest thing, because sometimes those hits are bangers.
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Right.
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It s just one.
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Absolutely.
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You just catch it.
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I feel like if Johnny Thunder knew the right people, he would have been huge.
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He needed a better PR team or something.
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But even Bob Dylan in Rolling Stone was talking about him, and that wasn t enough.
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What year was that article?
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It was that year.
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Oh, it was that year?
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Wow.
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I don t know.
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Was that a race thing?
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Well, Hendrix popped.
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Oh, yeah.
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True.
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James Brown popped.
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That s true.
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It just doesn t make sense that that guy is that good.
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That feels like that s transcendent music.
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That transcends everything.
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That transcends culture.
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That s something that everyone will listen to.
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Maybe it was a little ahead of its time.
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How?
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How could that?
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Because it just, it didn t, it maybe... But doesn t it sound like a hit?
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It sounds like a hit now.
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God damn, it had to sound like a hit back then.
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But it probably sounded like, what the fuck is that coming through the radio?
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I don t know, man.
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SPEAKER_03
If you listen to Peace Frog, that s like the same time with the Doors.
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SPEAKER_03
You know, there s like a lot of wild, funky music that comes from back then, you know?
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Did that hit radio at the time?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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Some things are just a myth.
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One of my favorite artists who I think doesn t get the light that they deserve is a guy called Arthur Alexander.
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And this guy was like Americana songwriting, blues, country, all of it, you know.
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SPEAKER_00
Never heard of him.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve never heard of him.
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Great songs.
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Great songwriting.
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Cool, funky voice.
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You know.
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What s the song we should listen to?
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SPEAKER_00
There s a song called Anna.
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There s a song called Go With Him.
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Try Go With Him.
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Let s try that one.
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I think it s the same song.
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Yeah, just cut it out again.
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That song s a flex.
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Think about what he s saying.
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Go ahead.
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That s a total flex.
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Go with him.
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Go.
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If he loves you more, hey, I love you.
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But if he loves you more, that s a flex.
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Bye.
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SPEAKER_03
I know girls like that.
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That s a very needy girl, and she s never going to be happy.
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SPEAKER_03
And you just have to say, hey, whatever you want to do.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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I think you re awesome.
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Whatever you want to do.
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I think you re awesome.
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Nasty though.
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There s some that you just can t hold on to.
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You have to recognize that.
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SPEAKER_00
It s true.
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That s the blues right there.
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Go ahead.
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There s another one too, Shuggie Otis.
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I don t know if you know Shuggie Otis.
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SPEAKER_03
No.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah man, Shuggie Otis was one of them guys.
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He s like...
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Psychedelic, rock, funk, soul, dude.
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I found these guys on the same trip.
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My buddy Jay Moeller, who was touring with me at the time, was listening to this stuff.
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It was just, like I said, psychedelic.
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SPEAKER_00
Ahead of its time, I think, maybe 60, 70, 71, he put out a record called Inspiration Information.
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And it s just like, you know, maybe a chocolate, a couple of bowls, sit back, and you re going.
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Yeah, great artist.
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But, I mean, not as powerful as Johnny Thunder.
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Like that, I m Alive, is... That s a classic.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, man, should be artists.
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SPEAKER_03
Did you get this mostly just from other artists that just tell you about stuff?
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Yeah, a lot.
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Yeah, that s kind of why I like to move around a little bit.
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SPEAKER_00
I m still of old school, hang out at the bar.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, hey, what are you into?
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SPEAKER_00
I ve been checking this out, check this out.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, I still go into record stores and just go ask, what do y all like?
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What are y all listening to?
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Like, just turn me on to something.
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I don t care.
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So they ll be like, hey, try this.
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SPEAKER_00
So I ll try it and either I love it or I don t, you know, but
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I m just curious.
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SPEAKER_03
Well those bar conversations are underrated Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, they re the best they can be the best or the weirdest and yeah, it s got it s all of it.
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It s an experience Wow, that s what you that s what you have going on in there
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SPEAKER_00
I m sorry I asked.
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SPEAKER_03
My problem is I go to bars and everybody wants to talk to me about conspiracies.
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SPEAKER_03
They want to corner me.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Tell me about the government.
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SPEAKER_03
I bet.
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SPEAKER_03
How do you shake out of it?
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SPEAKER_03
Sometimes just get in.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Just jump in with them.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh yeah.
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Let s go.
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SPEAKER_03
What do you think they re doing?
8
SPEAKER_03
How come Trump didn t release the Kennedy assassination files?
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SPEAKER_03
That s the big one for me.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I got a couple people around me who Get in deep with that and I just have to my brain hurts.
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SPEAKER_00
I have to get out.
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SPEAKER_00
That one s crazy Smoke break for me.
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SPEAKER_03
They killed the president and they got away with it.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, and one of the guys that probably killed him was on the Warren Commission and
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SPEAKER_03
Alan Dulles is probably one of the guys involved in the whole conspiracy.
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SPEAKER_03
There s so many people involved in that conspiracy.
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SPEAKER_00
They wanted him gone See, I can t I don t follow that.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t want to don t do it.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that s probably one of those things golf Yeah, yeah, yeah, it s worse because it affects everything in the world and you realize that
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It s like the world is run by psychopaths.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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I don t know if I want to know all of it.
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SPEAKER_02
Well, you know, it s like a balancing act.
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SPEAKER_02
You should probably know a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02
Of course.
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SPEAKER_02
Just so you don t get sucked into the bullshit.
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SPEAKER_01
Right.
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SPEAKER_01
Absolutely.
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I mean, like I said, I got folks around me who keep me kind of in the loop a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02
You need a dedicated conspiracy analyst.
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SPEAKER_01
Just one.
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SPEAKER_01
It s just one source.
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SPEAKER_02
Just one dude is just a scour in the internet.
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SPEAKER_01
All right.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Well if you find somebody send them my way.
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Alex Jones, I ll send him your number.
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SPEAKER_01
Just call him up and just let him go for a while?
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SPEAKER_02
This is what s going on Gary.
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This is a very scary time.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
If you do go too far down that rabbit hole though, there s no end to that hole.
9
SPEAKER_02
That hole goes to the beginning of civilization.
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That s what s terrible.
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Absolutely, you know that the idea of what human history really is versus what human history what actually happened and what actually Motivated all the things that happened.
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It s fucking terrifying.
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Well, yeah, I heard what you ve been talking about a few pods ago about you know, the real history of Yeah, kind of going Deep into that.
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I mean like It was just it kind of blew my mind.
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I was like, okay Yeah
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that s the things that you ve I ve heard about but never really gone deep into or done research on you don t want to yeah don t go down just bar talks fine let someone spit it at you at a bar you go home a little freaked out yeah you get too deep into it it s just it ll ruin your life yeah I remember being a kid in bars
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There s a few guys in particular who, I don t know why they found that talking to me about this stuff was the thing.
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I guess they were trying to get the message to the youth, but I remember in these smoky bars and going up back or standing out front and these guys telling me about all kinds of crazy, you know, things that I d never heard of.
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You know, they re coming after you or they re doing this and such and such, they did this.
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And I m like, I m 15.
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Like I have to get up and turn in a school project tomorrow.
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I don t know what the fuck you re talking about.
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What were you doing at a bar at 15?
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I was playing shows.
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Really?
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At 15?
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Yeah, I was playing shows.
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When did you first start playing live?
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Uh, 98.
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I was 14.
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Wow.
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15.
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Yeah.
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How did that happen?
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I was in a boy band with my buddy Robbie.
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We were going to be R&B superstars, we thought.
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Then he moved to France.
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My friend Eve was playing guitar.
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We did a talent show in eighth grade, won like 25 bucks, and we were kind of hooked.
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Went to a blues bar for her 15th birthday.
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played at a blues jam like an open mic, you know.
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And they invited us back and we just kept going.
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I started booking gigs pretty soon after.
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As a teenager, I was like this duo, like the Gary and Eve show.
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And it was like me and this girl playing blues.
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Wow.
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Yeah, so.
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14.
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Yeah, 14.
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Wow.
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What do you have to be blues about when you re 14?
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Um, my girlfriend, uh, left me for the lifeguard that she was working with during the summer named Raul.
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Yeah.
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That was my first like, huh.
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All right.
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Isn t it crazy that we dismiss the pain of the youth, but the breakups when you re 14 are the hardest ones you ve ever experienced in your life.
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Yeah, you don t know what to do.
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You have no idea what this is.
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Yeah.
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All of a sudden your world s gone.
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Right.
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It all ended.
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And everybody in your world knows that your world is gone.
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Yeah.
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You know, walking through the hallways.
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You know, look at that sad motherfucker.
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She s with Mike now.
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Yeah.
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And your boys are telling you, man, we just got such and such, you know.
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Tongue kissing over there by the gym.
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Right?
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And you just got to sit and take that math test.
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Go through it.
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Meanwhile, she don t feel nothing.
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Nothing at all.
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She s gone.
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Out of there.
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Bye.
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Yeah, out of there.
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I don t want to be with you anymore.
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Bye.
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That s it.
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That s it.
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But somebody told me when I was a kid,
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What do you know about singing about the blues?
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And you really don t know anything.
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Or at least I didn t when it came to just how complex people are, how big the world is, certain struggles.
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Your little bullshit doesn t really mean anything.
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It doesn t carry any weight compared to this, compared to that.
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But yeah, man, that still hurts, man.
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That still hurts.
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People take their life they take their life and they get broken up with it 14 15 years old.
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That s true.
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That happens That s true.
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I crazy your whole life s ahead of you.
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It s such a mistake.
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We definitely lost a couple at a young age because Just emotionally being broken.
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Yeah, especially if you re already fragile sure, you know Maybe this is the only thing that you ever had in life that gave you happiness was his girlfriend.
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Yeah
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Yeah, that s a lot of people.
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Like they were depressed and the only thing that gave them happiness is the love of another person.
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And you thought you were gonna be with that girl forever.
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Forever.
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This is it, we re gonna have kids, we re gonna be together forever.
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Nope.
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Six months later, she s tongue kissing behind the barn.
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Some other dude s fingering her, no.
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She likes it.
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She likes it.
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She loves it.
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She s so excited.
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She doesn t think about you at all.
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Not at all.
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God damn it.
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Not one bit.
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Get over it, Mike.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You re alone in your room listening to sad songs.
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In the fetal position, just curled up, sad and shit.
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But if you can come out on the other end of that, you ll understand.
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And then the next time, it s a little easier.
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The next time, it s a little easier.
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And then you get it.
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And then you write a song like that.
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Like, if he loves you more, go ahead.
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Because there s some ladies that you will run into in this life that you are never gonna hold on to.
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And if you can t accept that, I mean, maybe you can 10 years from now.
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Maybe they ll change and you ll change and you ll meet up and it ll be better.
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But right now, she s on a path.
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And that path, you gotta let her go.
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You know, I love you, you re great.
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But if he loves you more, ta-ta for now.
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Ta-ta for now.
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Enjoy and that s a flex that song s a flex.
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I kind of is yeah, if he loves you more go ahead.
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Uh-huh Huh?
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Yeah, it s a good flex too because they don t know what to do with that one.
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They don t oh my god They don t how did he say that he said if he loved me more I could just go with you shook it and then that guy s at home the guy the new guys like that
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I believe that s what he said to her.
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He has her forever now.
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Yeah, now he feels stuck, yeah.
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Because eventually, this newness that comes from this new relationship with a guy who loves her more...
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I was gonna fade into like why you always leaving your shit laying around and how come you re always late and You know, you said you re gonna call five.
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You didn t call till 630.
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What happened?
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What s this?
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What s that?
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You know check your phone.
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Oh, then next thing, you know, she s thinking about that dude who said look if he loves you more I love you though.
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Mm-hmm calls him.
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Mm-hmm.
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What are you doing?
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Nothing great to hear your voice You know, I m at
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You know what it is.
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You know I still love you.
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Yeah.
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But you know some dudes could use that advice.
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Like if you could give that advice to a lot that s a strong move in certain circumstances to preserve your sanity.
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Mm hmm.
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You know absolutely.
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Just because some people are fun doesn t mean you re supposed to be with them forever.
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That part is very important.
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Very important.
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Just because you have a good time with someone doesn t mean they should be your one and only.
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That might ruin everything.
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Absolutely.
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I agree.
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We all know dudes who ve got just hitched to the wrong caboose and they lost everything.
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Their life fell apart and a big part of it is the complex interaction between two people.
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And some people just, the combination of you and them is not good.
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Absolutely.
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It ll ruin everything.
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I agree.
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I ve had those, you know, it s like, this is fun.
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It s a lot of fun.
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But that s it.
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This is dangerous.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But the dangerous ones are sometimes the most fun.
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Unfortunately, for a short amount of time, but you don t want to raise your kids.
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Not at all.
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Not at all.
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No.
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Yeah.
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If he loves you more, ta-ta for now.
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Out of here.
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This thing is falling apart.
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Cigar, this is a real one, man.
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This is from Havana.
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Yeah, it is.
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Yeah buddy, I went to London, well actually my tour manager, Daniel, we were hanging in London.
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I had a few days off to just hang.
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Started hanging in the cigar lounges.
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Yeah, I ve been kind of hooked ever since.
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It s one of those few places like a barbershop, or like a bar, where guys can get together and just talk.
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Sit around, shoot the shit, smoke a stogie, talk some shit, have some laughs.
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It s fun.
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My new thing, I m trying to get off these cigarettes, too, if I m being honest.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, man, I gotta do it.
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Gots to do it.
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You don t want to die that way.
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It s just a sad... I always said I would never smoke.
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And then I saw, speaking of heartbreak, blues, man.
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I was sitting during South by Southwest, pissed off, all these motherfuckers in town, and I saw this girl that I was...
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you know, was into, and she was hand in hand with some other dude, walking down the street, having a good old time.
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And this person I was sitting next to, I was like, give me one of them smokes.
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Next thing you know.
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Next thing I know, here I am.
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Yeah, it gives you a wild head rush though.
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Yeah it is, the tingly feeling, fingers and toes and stuff.
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The excitement of your central nervous system, the brain gets fired up from a cigarette.
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Different than any other form of nicotine.
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Like different than cigars, different than zins, different than anything.
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Well it s not just tobacco.
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Yeah.
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But even if it is, it s like one of those natural spirits, is that what they re called?
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American spirits?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, it s just tobacco.
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Even those.
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But if you get like a menthol or something like that, it s like, what the fuck is happening here?
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Yeah, I got to quit that shit.
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How many you smoking?
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I only really do if I m having a conversation before a show that I don t want to have.
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Oh really?
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So it s like an anxiety thing?
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Yeah, like before like TV or before something like that.
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That s not too bad.
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No, it used to be.
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maybe a half a day, a half a pack a day.
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Nothing crazy, but I ll use tobacco and roll them up in my herbs.
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So I get my tobacco that way, but there was a while where I was doing like a pack a day and sometimes maybe more.
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you know stress I think you know getting in this entertainment business and eyes on you and you know pressure and all that type of shit it s just like a nervous thing to just yeah remind myself to just breathe you know like take a moment and just like you know chill out also there s some something about the cigarette that gives you like some weird relief it s just like a yeah
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Head rush thing that you get out of it is like a weird little escape valve sure a release valve just All right, yeah when I don t have them though, I don t really miss them.
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So that s kind of good.
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That s very good Yeah, I got into I got into blunts from Charlie Charlie Murphy when I was on that tour with him Yeah, cuz he would only roll blunts and you come he s like that s the combination of
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of the nicotine and the weed.
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I was like, oh my god, he s right.
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It is good.
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It s a better combination.
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It s good.
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That s a good combination.
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Like pre-show combination, there s nothing like a blunt.
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Mm-hmm.
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I m right there with you.
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Yeah.
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I m right there with you, bud.
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Blunt and some music.
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Let s go, man We ve been getting hyped up to Stro Elliott does it for us every time he s a member of the roots crew the legendary roots crew and he puts out these albums, man Yeah, yeah, he puts out these albums where he mashes up.
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I
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like old-school music and like these big fat-ass funky beats and Some sounds and stuff and that s been the stuff that we listen to backstage.
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That s our hot music Do you have a hype soundtrack?
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Um, yeah, we did for a while it goes anywhere from I Guess Rolling Stones to Chaka Khan Chaka Khan.
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Yeah to
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Yeah, like Stroll Elliott to Anderson .Paak, you know, so it s kind of all over the place.
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Kind of get everybody who s got their certain types of music in the mood and, you know, keep the crowd hype and keep them interested.
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Stuff like that.
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John D s backstage.
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He s the guy with John D s on keys It s part of the kill Tony band plays on the road with me.
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He He s always got the Bluetooth speaker.
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He s always jamming something unapologetically.
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It doesn t matter how close we are to anybody.
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He s like Biggie loud as fuck Doesn t walk into the stage through the office the you know at the venue But yeah
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We have a good time back then.
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But there s something about that, like walking with the music.
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Walking into a place, bringing the music with you.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think that s the Buffalo New York in him though, too.
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Big boombox, unapologetic.
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You know, Tim s on, New York hat, don t give a shit.
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But yeah, what do y all listen to backstage?
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Well, when we do arenas, I always make a point to walk in till I m your boogeyman.
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Hmm Casey in the sunshine band.
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I m your boogeyman That s what I am like when we re getting ready to do a show when we walk into the arena.
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It s always I m your boogeyman That s your walk on.
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Yeah, so yeah nice, and if we re getting a police escort to the venue.
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It s protect your neck It s always protect your neck.
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That s a flex.
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Yeah, that s what s up, man What s that feel like I ve only had a like a police escort it s open the Rolling Stones
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This is so tight It s bizarre because you you re driving through a crowd That s there to see you.
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Yeah, the first time I ever realized what was going on I was with Ian Edwards and we were doing a show in Dallas at an arena and this is like one of the first arenas we did and as we re driving
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I go, what is all this fucking traffic?
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This is ridiculous.
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We ve got to be there in half an hour.
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And then I go, oh, they re here for us.
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This is our traffic.
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Wow.
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And then we start laughing like, this is wild.
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Wow.
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This is our traffic.
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Y all did that.
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Yeah, we pulled up to the venue, I m like, this is bananas.
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It s gotta be a cool feeling though.
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It s pretty wild.
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So the police escort is to try to get you through that.
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Of course.
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So you don t get swarmed.
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Or miss the show.
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Or miss the show.
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Yeah.
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But there s just so many people.
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It s just when you, it s just something about doing shows with that many people.
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It s a totally different experience.
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It s so alive.
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It s so electric.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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The music, like having a green room playlist, I learned from Dave.
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Dave used to come to the comedy store, and he had two boom boxes, and he d have them synced, and he d put one on one end of the bar, one on the other end of the bar.
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He had ones that had LED lights, they would glow and flash and shit.
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Dave brought the party.
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And he was like, this is my socializing, so I always just have music with me everywhere.
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I m like, that s the way to do it.
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Because we would just hang out in the green room and just talk.
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But talking with music going on is way better.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that s right.
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When I saw Dave at the Moody Center recently, he had the glow lights going on the Bluetooth speaker.
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Yeah.
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The whole vibe s going.
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Yeah, he puts red light bulbs in his green room.
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Right.
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You go in his green room, it s not like bright white light, like flooding light.
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It s like the soft, cool, like speakeasy vibe.
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I respect that, man.
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It sets up the vibe.
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It brings the club energy to like a fucking arena.
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Yeah, he gets it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, he set it up right.
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It s the way to do it.
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It s the way to do it.
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And if you re touring a lot, I saw that with Tommy Lee once, too.
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I went backstage with Tommy, there s a story.
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My friend John Rollo was Tommy Lee s security guard.
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John Rollo s a big, giant dude.
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And he goes, hey, man, can you meet Tommy?
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Tommy wants to talk to you about something.
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I m like, OK.
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So I go to the show, catch the show, meet Tommy.
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And Tommy wants to fight Kid Rock.
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Cut time is I want someone to train me to fight Kid Rock.
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I was like what?
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What are you talking about?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Cuz they were both just squabble it over Pamela Anderson.
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All right, so he wanted to fight Kid Rock So he was like seriously coming to me to ask me like how he could get a fight set up Kid Rock and he wanted to get trainers and all these different things involved I wanted to tell him I think Kid Rock will fuck you up
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Kid Rock is one of those wild Detroit white boys.
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You don t want to fuck with Kid Rock.
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I absolutely would have to agree.
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You don t want none of that?
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Nah.
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No.
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Listen to me, Tommy.
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That s a mean dude.
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Yeah.
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That s the dude that shot up Bud Light and cost him $26 billion.
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He shot the shit out of that beer, didn t he?
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He went crazy.
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He cost them so much money.
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They would have never lost that amount of money if Kid Rock didn t shoot that beer.
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Man.
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Just watching those bullets, every time those bullets hit that beer, that was like a billion dollars.
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I don t know how many times I watched that on repeat.
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That was good.
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Yeah, but that s what I m saying.
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You don t want none of that, Tommy.
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No.
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Just stay away from that, dude.
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Just sit down.
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Just sit down.
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Just if he loves you more than me, ta-ta for now.
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Just Arthur Alexander that shit, big dog.
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Yeah.
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Learn how to just let it go.
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Again, same thing.
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Some gals, you never really have them.
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You just got to accept it.
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Enjoy your time.
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Enjoy your time with them.
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Exactly.
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But don t go having a cage fight with Cave Rock in front of the world.
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That s...
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What s up with everybody wanting to fight in public?
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Well, it is up with that.
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It does seem silly.
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Right?
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Well, I think some people are just like, they don t have any money.
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And someone comes along and says, hey, you want to do a celebrity boxing match?
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And you re like, all right.
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They re going to pay you a million dollars.
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Now you got money.
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So you re just like, I ll just do anything.
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Because you don t have nothing going on.
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So there s people like that.
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Remember, didn t Aaron Carter fight Lamar Odom?
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Oh, I believe so.
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Lamar Odom s like 10 feet tall.
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Yeah.
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Aaron Carter looks like he had never worked out a day in his life, and he s been living on a steady diet of pills.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I just... He s not with us anymore, right?
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No.
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No.
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R.I.P.
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Yeah, that s the thing.
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If you get famous when you re young, good luck.
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Good luck.
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Good luck.
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Man.
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Nobody... There s like three people that have ever gone through being famous when they re young and not been crazy.
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Yeah, I don t understand that.
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I don t understand that.
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It s fucking sad, man.
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It s robbed childhood for other people s entertainment.
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It seems like when you re a kid watching other kids on TV, it seems like a good time.
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Right.
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It seems like, oh yeah, I want to do that.
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That d be amazing.
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And so it s been kind of strange to watch these young folks kind of go through it.
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Well, the ultimate is Michael Jackson.
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That s the ultimate.
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That s the ultimate.
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That is the greatest, worst story ever told.
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When you see young Michael Jackson, when he was with the Jackson 5,
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When he did, like, ABC, and they were doing that stuff on TV, and he s dancing and singing, and he s the lead, and he s the little kid.
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Oh, my God.
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That right there, killing the best.
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Oh, my God.
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This clip in particular is the one that got me into wanting to be a musician.
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In the Ed Sullivan show.
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And how old is he then?
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10?
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Maybe.
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11?
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Jeez. 1969.
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Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God.
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He was so good.
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And he was so little.
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And then he became so crazy.
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Because he just never had a real life.
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Yeah, I yeah, that s sad to see.
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It s crazy.
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But it s just that it s that old expression.
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The star that shines twice as bright last half as long.
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You know, I mean, it s just like and then that in that circumstance to be to have that much talent and that much success That much love when you re a baby.
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He s a little baby there 11 I couldn t imagine he s a little tiny little fella.
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He s up there just bolting out beautiful songs and then the rest of his life is just chaos I Didn t realize that I think
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As a kid, I was such a huge Michael Jackson fan probably like crazy kids fans that I didn t realize everything that was Happening.
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Nobody knew you know, nobody knew back then right?
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I mean back then there s no internet, right?
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And so like if it wasn t Barbara Walters didn t talk to him about like why do you have so many kids over your house?
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There would be no Conversation no one would know right?
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Yes Yeah, it s just
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What do you think that is?
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Is there a sense of powerlessness, not having control?
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There s a bunch of factors.
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You never face real adversity like a normal person does.
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You re never not loved.
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And I think people have to learn how to get people to like you by you realizing, oh, if I m a nicer person, it feels better for me, it feels better for them, it s good for everybody.
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And then one time I wasn t nice and I felt bad and I went home.
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I got to think this through and now people don t like me shit I m sorry, and then you get better and it s like a process of learning how to interact with human beings.
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That s completely Subverted by fame.
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Yeah, we re all you don t ever have to prove yourself.
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You not only do not have to prove yourself You re loved above and beyond a regular person
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So you re treated like you re, like a god, like royalty, as a child.
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And everyone around you is kissing your ass, and everyone around you is giving you advice, and everyone around you is trying to take your money.
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You know?
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And then you ve got women, and you ve got networks, and you ve got, you know, that guy, the colonel that was with Elvis, you know?
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Those kind of characters that are running your life behind the scenes.
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Elvis is another case.
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Too much fame.
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Nobody had navigated those waters before.
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It s too much.
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I remember being young and people trying to approach me for deals and stuff.
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And I was always weird with those folks just because of the stories that I heard.
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And my mom was my manager for the longest time.
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Was, you know, helping me with printing out CDs and, you know, doing the real groundwork.
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Family, my little sisters, boxing CDs and, you know, and helping fold t-shirts and do all that.
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It was a real family thing and folks started to come around saying, hey, you know, we could help you with this.
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We could help you with this.
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And I was just always like, nah.
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No, no, no.
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I ve heard so many stories of that.
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So I was really scared of the business, you know, and wanting to even pursue it or the idea of fame or any of that.
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I was just like, nah, I just, I don t, I don t, I don t want to deal with that.
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Whatever comes with that, I don t think is really me.
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So I m kind of fortunate that I didn t really get to, I didn t really move around in that kind of scene until I was 26.
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27?
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28?
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How old were you when like numb?
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How old was that?
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I was I was mid-20s 25, 26, 27.
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That ought to be when things started getting weird, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I was a grown person so I d had experiences where
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you know yeah but yeah so yeah i think if had that happened to me any earlier it would have been a little bit different oh yeah yeah but uh yeah it was it was strange you know uh
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Just how life can kind of flip.
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People s perception and perspective of you kind of flips.
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The whole world changes.
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People you know kind of look at you different and it s like, whoa.
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That s weird.
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That s when it gets weird.
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People have known you for years and now they get nervous around you.
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Like, why are you nervous around me, man?
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Yeah, right?
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It s like, hey, yo dawg, chill.
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What s up?
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Yeah, I m the same dude.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you remember you crashed in my house six months ago like well I think don t you think that s why I like a lot of famous people hang around with other famous people These are the only people that are gonna understand what it s like to be weird.
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Yeah.
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Yeah Yeah, I was talking to Tony the other day and he was like man.
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You need to get out more I was like, I know I
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He s like, you need to be with the folks who get it.
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I m like, yeah, I know.
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I ve just been the hermit in this studio trying to get it right, but yeah.
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Well, dude, come down to the Mothership any night you want.
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Come hang out.
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I m definitely going to.
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It s a great hang.
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I know.
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That green room cleans the soul.
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Yeah, I missed you a couple times I ve been there, but yeah, it s definitely a vibe.
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Yeah, I have a good time every time I m down there.
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But yeah, it s true.
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You got to be able to hang around like-minded folks who
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You know, yeah the weirdos.
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Yeah, there s a different perspective.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you gotta be around other weirdos And it also is like you feel like you re okay like oh, I m not that fucked up.
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I m just like these people This is a different kind of person.
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Yeah, like they get it right all my friends know me they get it They get we re all just different kinds of weirdos.
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Absolutely.
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What s this?
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It s a special kind of weirdo weirdo who makes stuff and
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Weirdo is always creating things and then people go to see those things and they listen to those things.
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They hear those things.
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They watch those things.
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It s a different life.
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Completely.
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You can t hang out with accountants.
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They re not going to get it.
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It s different.
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It s funny going to kids  birthday parties.
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Yes.
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It s like, I don t know what I can say here.
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I know.
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I never know what parents are going to ask me about.
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You know, because too many parents listen to the podcast.
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It just gets real weird.
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They want to talk to me about guests and conspiracies and shit.
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And some parents are like, I took ivermectin too.
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This blown out birthday candles.
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There s a lot of dads want to talk about UFC, which is easy.
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Yeah.
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That s easy.
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Yeah.
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That s cool.
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Hey man, that was really cool when everything was shut down to go to the UFC with you guys.
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That was fun.
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And hang out.
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I never, I realized how...
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Intense that was without the crowd.
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Yeah, that s why I own the building.
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Yeah Like hearing somebody get kicked in the face in a quiet room.
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Mm-hmm.
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That shit is different.
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It s different It s my favorite way to see it to this day.
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Yeah, I like to see fights at the apex.
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I
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The Apex in Vegas, like where we went.
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It s just like there s no crowd, man.
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It s incredible.
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And then when we went down there, everything was totally shut down, so they were like world-class fights.
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Like right now they do at the Apex, still have world-class fights, but a lot of times it s like guys on the come up, guys who are making their way through the rankings, and they ll have like contender fights and good fights.
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But there was like world championship fights in that arena.
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Like Francis Ngannou beat Stipe Miocic in that arena.
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I was there for that.
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That was crazy.
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Yeah.
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When you see Francis Hammerfist, an unconscious man, after he knocks him out cold and then fucking drops a bomb on him and is just walking around the cage like, whoo, and there s no one there but us.
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Yeah.
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There s like 20 people in there.
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That s incredible.
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It was amazing.
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Hearing the coaches talking back and forth, the language, all that kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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What a weird time to write even when you went to restaurants like we re in a restaurant.
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Yeah, we re sitting down inside.
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This is crazy.
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Yeah And they d take it off it was so stupid Long as you sit down you can take your mask off Oh when you go to the bathroom, you got to put your mask back on.
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Oh, okay Okay, whatever I m just happy to be out
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Yeah, hell yeah, me too.
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Yeah, the COVID bubble days were strange.
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But yeah, I m so happy the UFC did that.
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They kept the sport alive.
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Yeah.
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Are y all doing the Sphere out there?
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Yeah.
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They re doing an event at the Sphere for Mexican Independence Day.
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Amazing.
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Have you been out there for that?
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I have not.
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I ve seen it.
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I ve drove by it.
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It s incredible.
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I mean, they have it look like the Earth.
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They have it look like space.
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They put designs on it.
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The whole outside is a giant screen.
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It s an incredible building.
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That s wild.
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And they re gonna make a show that uses the sphere.
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Dana said he s only gonna do it once.
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He s gonna do one show there because it s too crazy, but he wants to do a show there just because it scares the shit out of him because it s so challenging.
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Well, of course.
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That s kind of, he just, he has to.
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Can you imagine watching highlights on the ceiling?
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That d be crazy.
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The ceiling is filled with a giant screen that shows you replays.
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That would be incredible.
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Yeah, that s... I can t even imagine, because it s blown my mind when I see video of the band U2 in there.
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Yeah.
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It looks crazy on your little phone screen.
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I couldn t imagine what that was like being in there.
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Bert went.
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Bert Kreischer went and saw U2 there.
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And he said it was insane.
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He said it was insane.
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It s like it s the greatest show I ve ever seen in my life.
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I was crying.
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Because it s like accentuated by the building itself.
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It s the only time where a building makes the experience way better like way crazier What was it who came up with that idea?
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Like what good questions like who even super rich dudes?
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Because it costs some insane amount of money.
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How much does this fear cost to run?
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It s something bananas like just for one night Yeah, just for one night like every year.
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It s like it s fucking hundreds of millions of dollars just to run it
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I wonder what else is going to be in there.
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Just music, I guess.
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I guess you could have the rodeo.
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You could have whatever you want in there.
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A rodeo would be fucking nuts.
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That would be wild.
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That would be wild.
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A rodeo with all the highlights on the screens.
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But to be able to watch fights like that, have the highlights on the ceiling, it s probably the best way to do it.
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If they could keep doing it that way, I mean, if it works, and then they decide, you know what?
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Fuck it, we re gonna keep doing shows here.
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I wanna go to one.
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Yeah, I wanna go too, just to see.
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Yeah, the one that s on Mexican, when is that one, Jamie?
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September, I think right now.
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Yeah, that s gonna be nuts.
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That is gonna be a nutty experience.
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I think that s September 16, right?
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Am I correct?
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Sounds right.
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Okay.
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Hey, September 16th, you hear that touring squad?
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Let s end up.
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Let s end up in Vegas that night.
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End up in Vegas, the night off.
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Yeah.
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How long are you touring now?
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Are you gonna, are you from here when the album s out, are you gonna just go?
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So we re doing, we re doing a US leg, just kind of jump, kick things off in May.
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And then we re gonna do Europe, August, September I think.
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I try not to look, but I m sure dates will fill up in between.
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Once it starts going, it starts going.
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But yeah, just for now, we re going to be doing the States in May.
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We re doing some stuff with Eric Clapton down in South America.
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Oh, wow.
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That s always cool.
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Yeah, that s, I mean,
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That s a lot of people coming out to 60,000, 70,000 folks.
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So we re going to get to jump in front of that and make some noise for a little bit.
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Well, they came after Eric Clapton hard during the pandemic.
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Oh, yeah.
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They came after him because he said that he got injured by the vaccine.
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Yeah.
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And they came after him hard.
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How dare you?
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How dare you?
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You piece of shit.
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Right.
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They tried to find every terrible thing he s ever said his entire life.
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Oh, yeah.
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Context stick in front of everybody.
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Folks came after me.
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It s like, what do you think about Clapton?
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Well, the crazy thing was he got injured by the vaccine and they were mad that he was, it was like a coordinated effort to attack him because he was going to cause vaccine hesitancy by telling the truth.
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Right.
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And now we all know it s the truth.
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So now no one s mad at him anymore for that.
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But it was like during that time they were trying to destroy Eric Clapton.
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Yeah.
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If you brought anything, you said anything, you re kind of out of there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That must ve been wild for Eric because his whole life he was beloved.
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I mean, he was, he was an icon.
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Yeah.
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I mean, he still is.
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Yeah, he still is.
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But yeah.
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But to have that experience happen, like all of a sudden he s attacked, like the LA Times, you know, and all these different newspapers are just coming for him.
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I was like, this is crazy to see.
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He s telling you he got injured by experimental medication that the whole world is being forced to take.
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You don t think you should listen to him?
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Yeah.
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Um, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Looking back, it seems absolutely absurd.
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It does.
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That somebody s telling you the truth about this thing that s affecting the whole world.
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And they go, nope.
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Nope, nope, nope.
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No, he s a piece of shit and an anti-vaxxer.
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Yeah, and look at this.
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And you did this.
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And you did this.
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Let s pull this up.
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What d you say in 76?
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Yeah, man.
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Wild times.
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Wild times.
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But we got through it.
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Yeah, we did.
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I don t think it ll ever happen again.
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You don t think I ll be too wise to it now Yeah, there s too many people that push back now that let it happen back then cuz they believed it Yeah, they thought two weeks to stop the spread.
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That d be good I thought all those things were gonna be good that they believed the World Health Organization They believe the CDC they believed everybody they believed in masks.
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They believed in social distancing They believed in all that shit.
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We turned out to be bullshit.
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Now people know it s bullshit.
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I
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I remember going to Australia twice.
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We had to quarantine twice.
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Australia was nuts.
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Police escorts.
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I was going there to do a film.
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I went there to do Elvis.
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And I was like, they put us, police escort to the hotel, like,
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military escort up to the hotel room and you re just there.
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They give you like milk, sandwiches, juice, some fruits like every day or whatever.
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Can t go nowhere.
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No you couldn t go anywhere and if you were to step out to like to put your trash outside like a military guard or police officer would be there like with the weapon like turn the corner like just checking on you.
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It s like yo what the fuck man.
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Crazy.
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Yeah for two weeks
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you had to be there.
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How crazy is that?
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And you weren t even sick?
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Wasn t sick.
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Which is crazy.
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Nothing.
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And just 40 floors up in some crazy hotel.
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You can t go anywhere for two weeks.
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The military making sure you don t leave your room.
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Yeah.
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That s what happens when there s no guns.
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When people don t have guns?
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That s right.
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The only people that have the guns is the army and the police.
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And everybody else is unarmed.
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And then the people with the guns start pushing people around, arresting people for not wearing a mask outside, throwing old ladies to the ground and handcuffing them.
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That shit that shit is not happening in Texas.
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No Gary damn teeth out You said you said what motherfucker?
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Yeah, shut the fuck up, but even in California There was lines around the block at the gun store.
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It got sketchy.
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Mm-hmm.
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It got real sketchy.
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That was the eye-opener Yeah for so many people seeing lines at the gun store for the first time like yo Get real
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This is getting real.
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I heard about that.
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Yeah, it was weird to see it in LA.
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I drive by Burbank and it s gun shops I know.
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It s a fucking giant ass line around the block.
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People trying to buy a gun.
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Yeah, well, you don t got them problems down here.
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No, there s no problems down here.
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Nope.
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There it is.
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ID.
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Yep.
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Here you go.
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Here s your receipt.
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Exactly.
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Good luck, sir.
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What s even crazier is that I can just give you a gun.
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If I have a gun, I m like, Gary, take this gun.
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And that s your gun now.
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You don t have to do any paperwork.
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No nothing.
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Now you have my gun.
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Once you feel that freedom and it s not just the gun thing It s kind of everything would you feel that freedom except abortions once you feel that freedom you just like whoa This is how you re supposed to be and then you go to California.
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They don t you have flavored vapes Like what are you doing?
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What are you doing?
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I don t understand why I don t understand why that is I
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They think it s gonna stop kids from sucking on vapes if they re not flavored.
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So adults can t have them?
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Adults can t have them.
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You can t get flavored Zins in California.
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I went to a gas station to buy some Zins.
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I m like, what flavors you got?
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They go, we don t have any flavors.
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I go, what?
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Yeah, California doesn t allow you have flavors.
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Because it attracts kids.
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You think the kids are gonna, they re gonna puff on the original version anyway?
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Yeah, what are you talking about?
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They re still smoking cigarettes.
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Like, that s so stupid.
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Wow.
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That doesn t do anything.
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I don t get that.
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That don t make no damn sense to me.
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It s communist.
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It s the government deciding what you can and can t do.
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and doing it for your own good.
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And that s the slippery slope of communism.
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They ll do that with that.
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Next thing, they ll do it with your car.
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Next thing, they ll do it with your consumption, your carbon consumption.
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They ll try to get you to be on a carbon consumption tax.
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They ll try to get you to be on some sort of an app that shows how much carbon you re using.
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Anything they can do to try to control you.
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And they ll do it under the guise of making it safer for others, just like they did during the pandemic.
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See how quickly they shifted from
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Vaccines to climate change it was it was a beautiful passing of the ball It was like run with climate change run with co2 production run with stop eating meat drive an electric car Run run with that right?
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Yeah, that s true.
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It s one thing after another.
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It s just control
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The the number one thing about it is control and then all Without a doubt.
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There s a bunch of people making money.
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There s a bunch of industries that are designed that Function around this idea that you have to do certain things and they re gonna profit immensely from you complying
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Yeah, I mean, you could kind of see that in the way that the city changed around here.
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They shut down certain spots, mom-and-pop shots.
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Spots kind of went, and it s like, all right, we ll get you up out of here, make you comply a little bit.
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Yeah, you re gone now target makes more money.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, here we go Well, they they crushed LA LA is not it is a shadow of itself I always say that LA is like a girl used to date She was really cute and then you go see her now and she s on meth and she works for the cartel.
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Damn.
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What happened?
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Damn, that s LA.
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Mmm, you know
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Yeah, I haven t spent too much time out there.
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I mean, I only go out there when I absolutely have to.
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It s sad.
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I need to.
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I was just in New York.
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New York looked kind of Euro now.
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It s got all the cannabis shops up everywhere.
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It s kind of comical.
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It is.
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A little bit.
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It was so illegal in New York for so long.
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Yeah, you had to get it like super low key.
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Yeah, man.
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You could get busted.
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There was undercover cops selling people weed in New York.
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Yeah, New York was weird with weed.
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Weird for the longest time.
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It s not a problem at all anymore.
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It was really strange to be there.
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It s kind of like Amsterdam looking.
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I m kind of surprised that hasn t hit Texas yet.
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I m surprised they haven t let legal weed here yet.
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It seems so stupid to stop people from doing something you know they re already doing that s not hurting anybody.
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Yeah, that s my only beef with Texas at the moment as far as that goes.
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Well, it s decriminalized air quotes here.
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So what does that mean?
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Nothing just I just just let me pull up to a store.
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Yeah.
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Enjoy my day.
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Yeah, I ll pay taxes.
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How about that?
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Right?
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You re missing out on billions of dollars in tax revenue.
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You dummies.
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Sure.
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Because like in Colorado, they were smart.
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They said we ll tax it like 39% or something crazy.
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And everybody s like, okay, no problem.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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Do that.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Because it s so cheap in comparison to alcohol anyway.
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It s a beautifully run business in Colorado.
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They figured it out.
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It s like going and buying a pair of shoes.
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But for the longest time in Colorado, they had to employ mercenaries.
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They had to employ, like, fucking Blackwater-type people to guard the cash, because the banks wouldn t fuck with them.
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Oh, yeah, that s right.
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So they weren t allowed to use credit cards.
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So at any point in time, they had hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in cash around.
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That s right.
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And so they had to get a guy to take that cash to the bank.
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So they re basically like a scene from Heat.
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That s right.
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I remember going out to Venice Beach at a certain point.
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It was a little funky out there.
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Well, I used to go to this place called the Englewood Wellness Center in the 90s.
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And that was when there was medical weed in California.
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And all you have to do is go to a doctor and go, I got a headache.
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Yeah.
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Here you go.
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Oh, you definitely need this medicine.
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They were trying to hand out those things.
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It wasn t hard to get a medical license.
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Not at all.
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And one of the only dispensaries, medical dispensary, was in Englewood.
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So we d go down the hood to buy weed, and then the dude that sold me the weed got shot.
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He got shot there like a week after I was there, two weeks after I was there.
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I was like, oh no.
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They robbed him and shot him because you had a paying cash and they had cash laying around and everybody was scoping it And they were watching they knew what was going on and he would have given him the money too.
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That s right He just fucking shot him.
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That s right.
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Yeah Wow time.
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That s like okay time to go back to weed dealers.
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I
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Homie.
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Hey, man.
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Do you know?
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Yeah.
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Like we used to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The weed dealer thing is funny, because then you get those sketchy people in your life again.
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Those dudes that are willing to sell weed.
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Those are always people that are just a little unbalanced.
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Yeah.
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I ve been fortunate.
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Folks used to hook me up with all these cute girls.
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That s amazing.
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Yeah.
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How d you get that?
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Mm-hmm.
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Just being me, bro.
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Well, that s a way better situation.
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I used to deal with a dude named Jake the Snake.
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Well, there you go.
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Jake the Snake was my friend Eddie s buddy in LA.
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That s how we d get our weed.
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Yeah.
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But he was always a weird dude.
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Nah, it was always cool.
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It was like cool hippie chicks.
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That s perfect.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That s perfect.
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Cool.
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Sit there, you know, show you what the guy, you can try a couple of different kinds.
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Yeah.
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Get on their bike or whatever the fuck and get out of there.
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Bye.
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Sun dress flowing in the wind.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Fucking sunflowers all over their outfit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I didn t really deal with it.
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Too many shady characters, but the shadiest characters that I knew were the motherfuckers that I actually really knew that I grew up with I Was worried about you mother Yeah, well you have some dudes that are shady when they re like 14 just a little shady.
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Yeah, and then by the time they re like 22 They re full shady.
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Oh, yeah, but you re still hanging with yeah.
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Yeah, I ve seen a couple of them.
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There s a magazine around here I don t know if it s still here.
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It s called mug shots and
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You can see like whoever got arrested that day or that week.
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I ve seen a couple of folks I grew up with on the cover and I was like, yep Saw that coming up that pans up.
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Yeah Yeah But hopefully Texas will come around and you know, you can just kind of do what you want to do with that.
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All right
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Yeah, I feel like if Republicans just embrace that, it would be a lot better for everybody.
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Just the people that don t want it, they re just ignorant.
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They just don t understand.
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It s stupid.
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It s a stupid thing to stop.
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That s not being stopped.
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Yeah, it s not being stopped.
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Also, you should probably fund some studies.
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Find out why some people go crazy.
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Let s find out what s going on, because everybody knows one dude who smoked too much weed and went schizophrenic.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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How many do you know?
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I know one in particular.
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He s a great, great friend of mine.
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And yeah, I kind of feel semi-responsible, because I was kind of...
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He was this dude I ve known since I was in first grade.
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We played basketball together.
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We did all this stuff together.
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Started rapping together.
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Started playing music, making beats together.
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And I think one puff too many and listening to that Slim Shady Marshall Mathers album.
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Got him, bro.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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I know two dudes.
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One dude seems to have bounced back, but one dude s gone.
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He s gone.
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Well, I actually know three dudes.
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I know one dude who bounced back, too.
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But the dude who I know who bounced back, he doesn t fuck around at all anymore.
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But at one point in time, he thought the government was listening to everything he said.
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He thought helicopters were flying over his house.
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He thought people were listening in the walls.
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He was going nuts.
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And that s marijuana induced?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For him, it was.
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And I knew him before that.
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I knew he was fine, but he was just
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Waking bacon every day.
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It was every day.
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He was just getting obliterated He was getting obliterated all day long and I think he just fried normal life out of his brain.
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Oh, yeah I ve gotten like stone to the point of a panic attack, but I ve always come back
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But when you come back, you feel better.
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I feel a lot better.
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Everything s going to be OK.
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Some people don t come back.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, there s been books written on it.
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Alex Berenson wrote a book about it.
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That s why I ve never taken acid.
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My dad told me a long time ago, an uncle of his, and maybe took some good acid and never came back from it.
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So I ve always been spooked, but I mean, I have no problem with psilocybin.
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Yeah, psilocybin s more manageable, I think.
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Also, acid is being made in a bathtub by some grateful dead fan.
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Someone like who s making that?
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Where are you?
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How did this get to me?
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He looks just like Jerry Garcia Circular glasses on yeah tinted lenses.
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Yeah, just Selling you the good stuff.
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Yeah, I mean, there s only a handful of people supposedly in the country that know how to make acid.
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Oh
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How many people are trying, though?
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Yeah, right?
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That s the scary part for me.
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Yeah.
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It s like, oh, my buddy Billy just, you know, started, you know, got him a little thing in the garage.
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Let s try it out.
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Yeah.
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Well, Ari was telling us about, um, they had these, uh, tests that they would do.
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These dudes were heavy partiers and they had brought like tests with them so they could test all the different drugs.
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Like when you say heavy partied, like experimental.
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Yeah.
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Like trying, trying to go.
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They would go and they were going out there.
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So they were taking Molly and all kinds of shit.
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And so they did a test on the acid they had and none of it was acid.
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All of it was mescaline.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they were getting these tabs, and they thought these tabs were acid.
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And they tested, and there was zero acid in it.
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It was just mescaline.
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So how do you get away with that?
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You get away with it because people don t have tests.
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So you re just selling this stuff that s mescaline to make you trip.
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You know, you think you re on acid.
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Is it the same type of deal?
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I haven t done it, but it s peyote.
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That s what mescaline is.
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I m scared of that, too.
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I had a friend of mine that swears to God that he saw a dude in a window in Manhattan when he was on mescaline, and the dude was like, you know, 400 yards away, and you could listen to every word that guy was saying.
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So you could hear every word he was saying.
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Huh.
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When he was on Masculine.
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Like through glass and walls?
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He just heard.
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He just was looking at the dude so he could see him.
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He was watching him and he could hear him talk.
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He swears, you know, he s a financial guy.
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Okay.
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Yeah, he s not a he s not a like a crazy hippie, right?
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He s a guy that when he was in college, he took mescaline in New York City, and he was looking out the window and there s a guy way far away.
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He was looking at him through the window, his window and that guy s window, sounds of the city, fuck you, through all that, watching that guy, you can hear him talk.
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Is it some cross-dimensional type shit?
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Who knows?
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Probably.
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Probably.
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There s probably like a frequency that you could tune into that we re all tuned into all the time.
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Sort of like when you know someone s talking about you and then the phone rings.
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It s them.
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Right.
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Like you know they re thinking about you or you know something.
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People dismiss that.
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Oh, that s just chance.
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That s just luck.
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Maybe.
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Maybe.
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Or maybe when you re just thinking about someone for no reason and then they call you, maybe there s some connection there.
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Maybe there s something going on.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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Yeah, I have moments like that where I feel like it s just that s the universe just universe and just trying to get you back to where you need to be.
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Yeah, I think there s something to that.
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I think there s something to fate.
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There s some strange element of it that seems to be true.
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Like, I think that free will is probably real.
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There s some, there s probably issues with, there s choices you make that determine how your life goes for sure, but there also seems to be some strange element of fate.
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Every now and then things come along and go, oh my God, this is what I have to do.
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This is what I have to do.
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This is what I m supposed to do.
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Absolutely.
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And you might resist it.
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You re like, God, I don t want to do this.
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But parties like this is what you re supposed to do.
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You can t shake it.
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Yeah, you can t shake it.
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It s not like the universe hits you with this frequency, this signal that lets you know this is the path you re supposed to take.
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Some people are way better at following that.
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Some people are really good at following that feeling.
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How do you think you resonate on the scale of being good with that or not?
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I m pretty fucking good with that.
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I m pretty confident with that.
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I know.
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Yeah, I m pretty good.
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I m pretty good with recognizing shady people.
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I m pretty good.
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Pretty good.
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Not 100%, but I m 95%.
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I m pretty fucking good.
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I m pretty good knowing which path to go, when to take a chance, when to just go.
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When I moved down here, I moved down here in the middle of the Spotify deal.
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And they were like, what the fuck are you doing?
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I was like, I m telling you, this is the place to go.
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I m just going to do this.
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This is the thing to do.
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Did you already see what s happening now happening?
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No.
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No, no idea.
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No idea.
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Not a chance I would even have imagined that Austin would become like the comedy scene that it is now.
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I never thought that.
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I just wanted to exist in a place where people weren t fucking with me.
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And then when I got out here and I realized people weren t fucking with me, and then Dave and I were doing those shows at Stubbs, that reignited my desire to do comedy again.
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Then we started doing live shows at the Vulcan, and then Ron White got fired up about it.
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And I was like, okay, we got people out here now.
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And then other comics were moving here because you couldn t do any shows in LA and they d see us doing shows out here.
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And they were like, hey, man, fuck this.
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I m just going to go.
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And a bunch of them came.
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And we didn t even have a club then.
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So then I felt like, OK, I talked these dudes into coming here.
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Now I have to just build it.
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And then we just did it.
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But it was just all following instincts.
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It was like, this is the path.
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This is what you re supposed to do.
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How long did you think over this move?
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Not very long.
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No, my instincts were to get out.
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When I saw those cop cars on fire on the 10, I was like, OK.
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I see where this is going.
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Yeah.
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Uh-uh.
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You know, I got here just after the riots.
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Just after the riots.
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That s when, or L.A.
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rather.
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I got there in 94, just after the riots, the Rodney King riots.
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And it was weird, like the city had just recovered.
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So I remembered, and then I d watched all those videos of the chaos that happened when the police lose control of the city, and it just becomes madness.
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And I was like, oh, we gotta get the fuck out of here.
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But back then there was no defund the police talk in LA.
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It was all defund the police, defund the police.
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Okay.
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Yeah, that s it.
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You know, I was like, Yeah.
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You know.
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I m over here.
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Yeah.
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I was like, nah, we gotta.
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You gotta keep cops.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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I need to call the motherfucking cops.
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What are we talking about?
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You cannot, that to me was like, all right, we ve lost sight of, can t everybody just do whatever they want whenever they want all the time, have it be their way all the time.
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They gotta, there s gotta be some order here.
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There has to be a line that it s important, please, please, because this is all I know.
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If that goes away, then what the fuck?
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You got chaos.
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And I don t want that.
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No.
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I don t think anybody wants that.
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Just before you...
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That s a crazy statement.
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Yeah, well the wildest thing is having those people now Later call for more police like since some of them got like there s this one politician and she was like let me be clear my goal is dismantle and defund the police and I was like yeah, and then recently she got
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carjacked and pistol-whipped and so she s got blood pouring out of her head and she s like saying we have to fire these people and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
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With what?
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With no police because you defunded the police?
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Like what?
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Who s gonna go get them?
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Are you gonna go get them?
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That guy that pistol-whipped you?
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You gonna go find him and take his gun away?
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And say you are gonna go in a cage now to make the world safer.
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No, police do that, stupid.
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Right?
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That s that part of the police.
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The important part yeah the part that keeps you safe you fucking idiot This idealistic perspective that so many people have Just such virtue signaling bullshit.
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You don t even know what you re saying.
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Yeah.
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I mean I had to get law I had to get out of there, man I was lost in that shit for a while.
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Yeah, you hate LA
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What s that?
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You hated LA, huh?
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I really hated LA.
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No, I didn t hate LA.
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I just couldn t, I didn t know how to do LA.
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And the people that I resonated with in LA was
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Comedians, I would just only hang at the store.
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Yeah, that was my social life was that spot and like another spot Where my buddy would give me like free drinks and I can smoke cigars down in the lounge That was it.
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I wasn t I didn t know how to really move around.
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I didn t understand how to Mix and mingle in like a music space.
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Mm-hmm.
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I knew how to hang with like the weirdos.
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Yeah, like the cats who like
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Just off and didn t take themselves too.
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Seriously.
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Yeah, you know, so I remember very clearly when you move back here Yeah, cuz I remember you saying oh, this is so much better.
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This is just what I like.
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Yeah, I remember I met Remember I met Ron white like I was hanging with him and
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And he s like, yeah, I m going back to Texas and spend more time in Texas.
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And I remember running into Post Malone out there.
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And I was like, what s there to do in LA?
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He s like, I don t know, man.
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I m getting the fuck up out of here.
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So I was like, everybody that I was connecting with at that certain time was like, I m out too.
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So I was like, let s just go back to Texas.
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do that.
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Yeah you talking about how great it was to be back here and Ron talking about how great it because Ron came first.
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Ron was the guy good because when he was out here he was out here before the pandemic and I was like you really love it there he s like I fucking love it I love it he goes this is the best place easiest place to fly out of yeah fly anywhere in the country it s in the middle you know it s just like it s like it s a great fucking town everybody s cool
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It really is it really is man, so Gary that guitars just sitting there.
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Huh that guitars just sitting there.
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All right.
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Well here we go You need to bust that guitar out.
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How about if you?
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I m gonna teach you.
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Oh, we don t teach me.
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Hey, this is for you This is a guitar pick that s made from mammoth ivory.
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Oh
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Mammoth Ivory.
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Yeah, that s from a mammoth.
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That s from my friend John Reeves.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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He s got a place up in Alaska called the Boneyard.
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That thing that you have in your hand is probably 10,000 years old at least.
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And you want me to- Fuck yeah, that s yours.
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Strum a guitar on it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or do I put it in a case?
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That s what it s for.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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You play with that.
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I got another one here if you break it.
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I can t have a second one here, right?
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Nice.
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What should I play?
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Anything.
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What do you want to play?
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What do you feel like playing?
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Oh, I don t know, man.
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I feel like... I feel like... Do you feel like playing new shit or old shit?
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Let s play some new shit.
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Let s play some new shit.
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I ve never played this new shit like this with an acoustic.
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I have a little backstory on this guitar.
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I did an event with Joe Walsh, Vets Aid, and he and his wife Marjorie gifted me this beautiful guitar.
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It s one of my favorites to play around with at the house.
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Should I tune this thing?
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Whatever you want to do, man.
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You tell me.
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Oh, man.
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Again, this is what I love about music.
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I don t know what the fuck is going on.
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You know what?
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Well, I don t know either.
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We ll figure it out.
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Do you tune it with your phone?
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Well, there s a tuning app on my phone that I can just use.
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So that way I don t have to...
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bring a box of stuff.
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How does it work?
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You just hear the note, and it knows.
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If you set it to standard tuning, it ll
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get you right to where you need to be.
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And it s all just tension on the strings.
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Tension on the strings will get you to the note you want to be at.
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So right now this one is, the string is sharp, so you got to leave some tension so the note goes down.
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See, so you re trying to get it in the groove.
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Ah, see.
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It s reading the hertz, the wave frequency.
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Wow.
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There you go.
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Too high or too low and you try to match the perfect.
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And that s how you explain it like a professional.
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Just trying to help.
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He actually went to school for that.
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Yeah, I didn t and that s why I sound like an idiot talking about it.
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It s crazy there s an app for that though.
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That s amazing.
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Yeah, this is one of my favorite things about having the technology for this is I can make music on this phone and transfer it over to files on my big rig at the studio and incorporate them into records that I m making.
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Wow.
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What a time.
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Yeah, right?
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As much as I bitch about it, I use it all the time.
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So what a time to be alive.
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Yeah.
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What a time to be alive.
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Indeed.
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Speaking of.
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What is this?
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Sorry to interrupt.
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It s self tunes.
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Cheers.
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One more time.
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Thanks for having me, dude.
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My pleasure.
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Good to hang with you.
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We re going to get on that double date.
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Let s do it.
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I m free Saturday night.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Let s do it Saturday night.
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My wife s in town.
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Beautiful.
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Let s go.
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Let s go.
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So many good places to go out here too.
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Yeah.
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That s one thing that I realized is I don t know shit.
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I ve just been in the house.
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And in the studio.
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So my time to come up and figure out what s going on in the world is... That ship has sailed, my friend.
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Until the album drop day.
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Then I went to sleep for like a good day and a half.
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Turned my phone off.
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What is album drop day?
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Which day?
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March 22nd, which is... Tomorrow?
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Tomorrow.
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Today, as you re listening.
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Today.
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Oh yeah.
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Here it is.
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Here we go.
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So cheers to that.
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Cheers to that.
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I m just going to go ahead and down this thing.
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Okay.
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Because that s how I feel right now.
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No, actually, never mind.
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I m not.
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So let s play some music.
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Let s play some music, Carey.
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And then after this, you re going to learn an E chord.
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OK.
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Some new shit.
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It s called Habits, while I talk about downing a glass of whiskey.
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I ve got habits that I just can t break When I think about it I start to shake I ve been feeling like this for a while
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And I keep running in circles Chasing my tail And I ve lost my purpose I need some help I ve had good days and I ve had bad
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I would have traded for the time that we had.
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White lies, oh, white lies.
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White smiles on a crowded night.
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Lock it up on its side.
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chasing my tail it looks good on the surface
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Cause we ve only got one shot From the moment we started Gotta stay on the rise Locked on, it s obvious I got everything I need More than I wanted But it means nothing when you re gone Gone
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Nothing is for sure I, I know Nothing is for sure I, I know Nothing is for sure I, I know Nothing is for
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Something like that.
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How often do you do these acoustic?
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That s the first time I ve done it.
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Oh, wow.
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I m just figuring it out.
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Sorry if I didn t really sell it to you.
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There it is.
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That s awesome.
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That s amazing.
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You did it here for the first time.
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All right.
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What do I have to do?
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Can you pull up an E chord?
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Like fingering?
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Yeah.
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Finger placement?
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Are you lefty?
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No, right-handed.
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Yeah, don t... Guitars are supposed to be banged up a little bit.
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Don t be scared of that.
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Okay.
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What do I do?
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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There we go.
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Let me get one of these picks.
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I got one.
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How cool are these things?
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That s amazing.
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Which part do you hold?
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Do you hold the fat part?
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The fat part.
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Some people hold the... It s kind of whatever, but this kind of gives me the sting that I need.
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Okay.
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As far as tone goes.
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Keep hitting this guitar.
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Alright, so I m putting this finger on the third.
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Yeah.
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And then this one on the fifth.
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And this one right below that.
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Yeah, you gotta slide them in the same spot.
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Slide them in the same spot?
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Yeah, they gotta be in the right... What am I doing wrong?
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Oh.
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Tighter.
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All three of them are in the same spot?
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No, you can t see that.
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Two of them are in the same spot.
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See that little spot there?
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They re gonna be in that little spot there.
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Yeah, I got fat fingers.
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It s all right.
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Red Volkart is one of the baddest dudes to play a telecaster, and he got some... Okay, I think I got it.
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I think I m on the right one.
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No.
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Almost.
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That one.
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Right?
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Is that it?
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And then where do I hit it?
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Am I doing it right?
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Push it more?
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Down?
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Like that?
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That one?
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There you go.
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The 12-string guitar might not be helping the most, but... Right there.
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Right here?
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Yep.
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Okay.
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You gotta strum the strings now.
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There you go.
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It s close.
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It s pretty close.
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There it is.
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Yep.
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There you go.
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You re on your way to the best folk song anybody s ever heard.
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That s it.
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Ready for something crazy?
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E minor, you can do a second chord, just release one finger.
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Yeah, just release the first finger.
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Release your pointer finger.
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Put it back down, you go back and forth between two chords.
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There it is.
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Yeah.
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You almost got a song.
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Album coming soon.
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Album coming soon.
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I can see how this could get very addictive.
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This could be a real problem.
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See?
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This could be a real problem.
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Right?
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Yeah, I m telling you, man.
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Once I first played an E chord on a Fender Stratocaster through a
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Fender Twin, Red Knob, 1980s, 1990s amp.
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It was over for me.
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I quit caring about everything.
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I could see how this could be very addictive.
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You want me to take it away?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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It seems like it would take forever to get good at it too.
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Nah, I think like with a guy like you who s
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Like, discipline.
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A guy like you, like, discipline is no problem.
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Right?
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Yeah, it s a problem.
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It s a problem that I have too much of it.
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It s obsession more than discipline.
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Well, then you d probably be good at that in probably about a year and a half.
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Uh-oh.
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And you d be out here kicking ass.
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And I d have to go sit down somewhere, and I d be settling into my photography job.
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Damn.
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Somewhere in Montana.
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I might have to learn how to play guitar.
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Man.
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That was fun.
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Yeah.
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I get it.
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You know?
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I get it now.
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I don t know.
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Don t think too hard about it.
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But now I m thinking too hard about it because I m thinking about all the different positions on the guitar.
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That s one.
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We were listening to both Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan s Voodoo Child, the different versions of it last night.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And, you know, it s like Stevie Ray Vaughan s the only dude that it doesn t offend me when they cover Voodoo Child.
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Yeah, you know like voodoo child slight return Hendrix 67 68 was so fucking good man.
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It s like anybody covering that it s like what are you doing?
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But Stevie put like his own weird flair on it Yeah, and I m thinking about all the different positions of the fingers and the sounds and the thing and you are Singing while you re doing that too.
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You re not just doing that.
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You re also manipulating your voice
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Yeah, but as far as Voodoo Child goes, who s engineered that?
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Was it Eddie Kramer?
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I don t know.
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With the panning and the psychedelic back and forth and the shakers.
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Oh my God.
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It is otherworldly, man.
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It s so good.
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That right there is...
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You can t you can t recreate that standing next to a mountain I chop it down with the edge of my hand I gotta say I got asked to do a cover and I ve always been hesitant about doing covers of Hendrix Stevie and
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And I did it and I was like, yeah, that s a reason why I ve never done it Well, let me tell you something man.
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I know that you and Suzanne were I know you were even either talking or actively tried to do a version of Midnight Rider because I was there
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That how many years ago was that well you guys did that downtown in LA?
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Somewhere around a decade ago I brought my oldest daughter and we saw you guys live and it was insane And it was like a Monday night or some shit at midnight and some weird bar in downtown LA Who what it was like an alcohol company put that on right?
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Yeah?
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We were in business with an alcohol company in which we
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Soon got out.
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Oh, I didn t think that they really liked us Why would you send somebody that much alcohol?
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They like you too much, yeah, but they they sponsored this thing so it was
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It was a very small gathering of people, but you guys did a cover of Midnight Rider.
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It was fucking amazing.
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It was fucking magic.
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I never played that song before.
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Suzanne was just like, come sit in.
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She didn t play it before either.
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She had to read the lyrics off her phone.
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That s right.
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That s right.
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So yeah, we tried to put something together.
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You gotta cover that.
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It was so good, man.
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It was so good.
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Because it was Midnight Rider, but with your flair to it.
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This is from my Instagram.
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Can you play this?
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Deadass, this one has gotten us flagged before.
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Oh, it got us flagged before?
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That s hilarious.
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It was so good, though.
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That was such a fun night.
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Oh my God, what a night.
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That was back when she was with Honey Honey?
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Yeah.
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Damn, that was a decade ago.
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Isn t that crazy?
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I ve been to it.
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He s a bad motherfucker, man.
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What year?
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16.
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Close to a decade ago.
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Eight years ago.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Yeah, you guys have to cover that.
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Yeah.
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Did we try?
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Did we do it?
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I can t even remember.
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We might have done it.
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I haven t heard it.
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If we did it, nobody sent it.
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No, I haven t seen it.
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Yeah, I feel maybe is a dream.
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I think you guys were in talks I remember Suzanne was saying you guys are gonna do it.
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I think we did it I Think we did it, but I think I did it like in the middle of one of my sessions like so when I m in it was in my I remember I Think we did it
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I feel like she said you guys were gonna do it.
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I don t know.
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It s done.
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It s done.
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Somewhere it s done.
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It should be done.
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It s done.
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I think she has it.
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That s crazy that I don t even know.
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That is crazy.
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I don t know what that says about my brain.
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Do you have a lot going on?
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Yeah.
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That s what it says.
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Something that would be like a milestone for some people.
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It s just like a part of everyday your life.
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No, I m pretty sure we did it though.
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I feel like she told me you did it, but I m not positive.
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I know she, I felt like she said something like you were going to do the music first and she was going to sing over the music.
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I don t remember.
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Oh, I think she did the record.
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Damn, that s fucked up.
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No, she had to do it with you.
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No, no, I think she actually did the track as far as recorded with her band.
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Oh, really?
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I believe so.
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Dude, that s so crazy.
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That s just like a blank spot in my mind.
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That night was a fun night.
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Yeah, it was.
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It was a fun night because it was just, that s one of those nights where you get to see something where very few people get to see it.
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Just like when we saw the fight at the UFC Apex Center, there s no one there.
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Yeah.
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You re like, wow, I m so lucky to be here.
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Yeah, but you know, Suzanne is a special artist, though.
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She really is.
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She s really kind of a powerhouse.
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I remember the first time I met her, she was doing Honey Honey at this funky Sessions thing in L.A.
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And just the voice, man.
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Just the voice, the songwriting.
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She can play anything.
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She plays violin, plays guitar, plays everything.
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We got cuts on this album that
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You know, we re not releasing but gonna be used for something else where she plays amazing violin on some stuff and she sings over She s incredible.
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She s amazing.
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She s and I didn t realize like when you work in the studio with her you realize how genius she is Mm-hmm.
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Like she s not playing around.
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No, no, she s really good.
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You know, she s a studied
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I have a friend of mine who s a musician.
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We did an End of the World show on December 21st, 2012, because that was when the Mayans thought it was going to be the end of the world.
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I remember.
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I was watching.
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I was freaked out.
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I was ready to go with y all, man.
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So we did an end-of-the-world show and I said, let s put together a real fun show.
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So it was Stan Hope Joey Diaz me Honey, honey, I think Duncan was on the show too.
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And so we did this show in LA and My friend who s a musician is like he saw her he goes.
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Yeah, he goes that girl is fucking talented and
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He goes, dude, like she could play anything.
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Like, look at her.
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Like her voice is incredible.
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She plays a violin.
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This is insane.
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Yeah.
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And she s a badass guitar player, badass writer.
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She does everything.
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Yeah.
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And she s cool as fuck.
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Absolutely.
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She s so fun.
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So fun to be around.
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She s hilarious.
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I feel like if shit went down and you needed her to squad up with you, like she could throw a
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you d want her on your side in the apocalypse.
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Absolutely.
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She d figure it out.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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So much respect to her.
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Yeah, much respect to her.
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Much respect to you, too.
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Congratulations on the new album.
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Thanks, dude.
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It s beautiful.
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It s awesome.
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It s always good to hang with you.
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Thanks for listening and hanging.
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Anytime.
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Thanks for the cigar.
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Yeah, no problem.
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I got you.
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All right.
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Let s go out.
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Saturday night.
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Let s do it.
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Let s do it.
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Okay.
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All right.
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That s it.
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Bye, everybody.
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Bye.