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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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You know, when you re a teenager, when you re in your 20s, you think you know everything and you think you re right about everything.
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I think sort of through my 30s and the failure of my first marriage and dealing with my father s death, and I started to learn like, oh, I don t really know anything.
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And righteousness or the idea that, you know, you re so firmly in your opinion about something is like the quickest way to shrink.
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For me anyway, I feel like I have such a rich inner life because I m curious and my instinct is not to judge.
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I mean, sometimes people say things to me and I ll feel myself judged and then I ll be like, okay, no, let s not, come on, don t make that face.
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Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.
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Today, we are joined by legendary actress and founder of Goop, Gwyneth Paltrow.
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Big guest on the show today.
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We are having a very raw conversation on all things wellness, career, entrepreneurship, parenting.
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We really get into the whole evolution of Gwyneth s story.
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And let me just say something.
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Lauren and I meet all sorts of characters on this show and I could not be more excited to tell you guys that Gwyneth Paltrow is an absolute legend.
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So cool, so humble in person.
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We got into everything.
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Nothing was really off limits.
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And she was just so open, which is sometimes rare with someone who s reached her level of success.
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So we just really loved the conversation.
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She was an open book, and we went all over the place.
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We talk about her full nutrition routine, how she went from acting to entrepreneur, her childhood home, the start of Goop.
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why she backed away from acting, mom guilts, and her wellness tips.
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She also gave you guys a 10% off code for Good Clean Goop, which is an affordable, clean beauty line.
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I have been using the Daily Juice Cleanser.
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It s so good.
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It s clean.
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It s non-toxic.
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It has like hyaluronic acid in it, which I feel like it hydrates my skin, especially after makeup.
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All you have to do to use it is to go to Amazon.
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So you can use 10 Skinny Goop at checkout on Amazon, 10% off.
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Definitely get that juicy cleanser.
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It s a good one.
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Like I ve been using it in the shower.
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I m obsessed.
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On that note, Gwyneth Paltrow, welcome to the show.
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This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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We cleared something up right before we started.
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Last time you were on a Dear Media show with Dr. Will Cole, it went a little viral, broke the internet almost.
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And now Gwyneth has a Thanksgiving feast every single morning before lunch.
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That s what she does every time now.
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By the way, that was so fucked up because of course I don t only drink bone broth.
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That was edited in such a weird way.
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And it s not I am a great eater.
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I love food.
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I just think bone broth as an addition, like if you re working on healing gut stuff, it s like a it s like a supplement.
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I sometimes have bone broth, just bone broth before noon.
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I don t think there s anything wrong with that.
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It feels good.
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No, we do it all the time.
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No, I think that s the problem with some of the way that people consume news these days.
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They get these TikTok clips and they pull it out of context and they don t hear the rest of the part where you re describing intermittent fasting.
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Exactly.
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What did you have for breakfast today?
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I had, so I made a smoothie.
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It s the Prime Protein is the name of it.
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Peanut butter flavor, which I love.
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I ve got a weakness for peanut butter, banana and the prime protein.
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And then I have some creatine in it and a little like of this gut microbiome powder and hemp milk.
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Why hemp milk?
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Because I can t have like rice milk or oat milk because I m in a paleo phase.
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So no grains.
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And hemp, it s just kind of good.
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Also, they say not to drink too much almond milk and have too many almonds, because that can also, I guess, be an issue at some point if you re eating millions of nuts all day long.
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I got to tell you, I have a dealer for my milk.
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Hey, don t blow the lid off that.
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No, I get in trouble.
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I have a dealer.
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I drink raw milk and people get so mad at me.
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Raw cow milk?
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Yeah.
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What do you think?
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What are your thoughts on that?
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Give us all your thoughts.
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See, now the clip will be turned on us, right?
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Guys, you re going to go viral for poisoning the American milk supply.
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I m telling you, this raw milk, it s really changing.
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I drink raw cream in my coffee every morning.
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Here we go.
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Well, let s look at it this way.
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Raw farm, raw farm dairy.
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Do you have to have a... Is this a brand or do you have to have a dealer?
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No, it s a brand.
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You can get it in a health food store.
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Okay, see?
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It s called raw farm.
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Raw farm.
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You ll get this.
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Of all people, you ll get this.
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A hundred years ago, there was no such thing as raw milk.
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There was just milk.
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That s right.
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You know what I mean?
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I guess that s why I always like, it s crazy to me how we think now we re more special and we just have these techniques, but like raw milk is how we evolved for thousands and thousands of years.
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Right, and I think there are schools of thought on, I don t know too much about this if I m totally honest, but there are schools of thought that think that drinking raw milk is better because once you process it and everything, that s when the dairy becomes harder to tolerate.
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It makes so much sense and I do have to tell you, there s something to it with a pre-workout because it s a little bit of protein, a little bit of sugar, a little bit of carb with the coffee so you get that kick.
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I love it.
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Can we get a goop raw milk?
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Let s get a goop cow.
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Oh, that s good.
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I thought you were suggesting that I go, like, milk myself.
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I mean, that ll get pulled on TikTok.
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Once we get you a little more warmed up in the episode, we ll get to those topics.
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But for now, we re going to keep it kosher.
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I would like to go back, like, back, back.
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Okay.
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When you were young,
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Obviously, you knew that you wanted to be an actress, I m sure.
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But did you know you also had an entrepreneurial spirit?
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I think that actually artists and entrepreneurs are really cut from the same cloth.
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It s such a similar personality profile.
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And, you know, an entrepreneur is always thinking like they see a vision of a story of something they can create and put in the market.
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And an artist is the same.
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They have a vision for a story that they want to execute and put into the world.
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And I think artists and entrepreneurs both have to have like unbelievable, like actually delusional self-belief because everyone is like, don t do it.
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You ll never make it.
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You re going to lose money.
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No one s ever going to hire you.
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So I kind of think it s the same thing, having done both jobs.
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Very, very similar.
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Obviously, the skills that you need to learn to be an entrepreneur if you re growing a particular kind of company, you have to learn all of those hard skills.
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But the spirit behind both, I think, is the same.
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Would you look back on what your parents did really right?
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What was it?
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I think that they did, even the stuff that they did was wrong, was right because it made me who I am.
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Give me an example.
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Like, I think I grew up in an era where
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my mom had a very fixed idea about like what I was supposed to be and if I didn t measure up like I you know I felt like oh wow I really so that that felt like pain to me and I think like
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It galvanized a certain like, I can do it.
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I have to prove myself.
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So even things that were maybe kind of like hurtful at the time, I think ended up being things that really helped me be the kind of person who could achieve a lot.
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My parents were also like, my mom was also an incredible artist and so warm and like our house was full of artists and I got to watch her, you know, do plays and rehearse plays.
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And I was also sort of in awe of her and what she did.
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So I kind of wanted to do that job because it looked so, she was so empowered when she did it.
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And I think my dad, you know, he just, like, loved my guts, you know?
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He just, like, loved me so hard and made me feel like an incredibly valuable person.
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For my brother and myself, I think he really...
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he made us feel that we were important even when we were little, that he listened when we had something to say, he laughed at our jokes.
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So all those little touch points like really encourage I think a kid to explore who they are and push the boundaries of who they are and gives them permission to be who they are.
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Are you taking notes on this for your daughter?
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You should be taking notes.
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What did your mom think she wanted you to be?
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Like an anthropologist or something like that.
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That s not what I was expecting you to say.
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Really.
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She always said, oh, you re too smart to be an actor.
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You should do something more academic.
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This is pretty academic, Goop.
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In its own way, for sure.
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Yeah.
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How old were you when you actually started acting?
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You know what I was watching that day with my daughter?
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She s four.
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Watching Hook.
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Oh my God.
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That s my debut.
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And it was vintage.
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And I was like, wait a minute.
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And I forgot because it s been so long.
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Why would you remember?
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I had one line.
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And it s crazy to watch that movie because we grew up with that.
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And then now I have a four-year-old and we re looking at it.
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But I was like, oh, Gwyneth.
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When you think back to your achievements, is that one of your first moments that you felt like you achieved something or were there moments before that?
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Honestly, no, because that was like my one sort of cheat because Steve and Spielberg kind of were very close family friends and he just said, hey, do you want to come and do this one line for me?
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So, which was thrilling, but what was more thrilling for me was, you know, being in the coffee shop on the corner of 91st and Madison where my school was, you know, when I was a senior smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee and having a casting director who had no idea who I was or that I was, you know, at all attached to the entertainment business, came to me and asked me to audition for something.
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And I went in,
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and I auditioned for the movie and I got a call back and they didn t know who I, you know, my mom was or my dad or anything like that.
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Not that, you know, my parents were super, super famous, but definitely very well respected in the industry and known.
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So that I felt like, oh, I m doing this on my own, you know, like, and that felt, that was really exciting, even though I didn t get the part.
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You know what my favorite movie that you ve been in is?
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What?
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What do you think of it?
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I don t know.
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I want to know.
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I want to hear.
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Royal Tenenbaums.
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We love that movie.
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That s a classic.
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We take Christmas photos each year and we re like, you know, we re doing this stuff all the time.
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It s like, how many more pictures of people of us do people in our family need?
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So we find movie posters that we like and we dub our faces over the characters.
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We did Royal Tendon Bombs first.
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We did Royal Tendon Bombs, yeah.
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That s like, I feel like that is a cult classic.
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Yeah.
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Was that fun to film?
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It was so much fun.
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I loved it.
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It was great because it was also like a very intense time in my life, like I had won the Oscar and there was so much focus on me, like too much, you know?
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And I kind of like went into this great, what felt like just this great independent movie in New York City.
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So good.
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We just had such a good time.
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And I loved working with Wes Anderson.
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He was amazing.
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And it was great.
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It was like I think it was in 2000 we made that movie or something like that.
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But does your kids watch these movies like Hook and the Royal Tenenbaums or do they not even go there?
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They hate seeing me in movies.
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Really?
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They like weird out.
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They don t like it at all.
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It feels weird.
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Especially my son.
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How old are they?
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My daughter will be 20 in May, and my son will be 18 in April next month.
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And they still don t like it?
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They don t like it.
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I think my daughter has now seen me in, I think now she s sort of, she s seen Tenenbaums, I think she s getting more used to it, but my son really doesn t like it.
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And definitely when they were little, they really didn t like it.
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What happened when you achieved so much with everything you achieved with movies?
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Did you just feel like you were burnt out with acting and you wanted to pivot?
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What was the transition into wanting to do something so entrepreneurial from acting?
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What was that like?
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Are those your real eyelashes?
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They re individual fakes.
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They are so pretty.
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They re drugstore.
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Mine are real.
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I m just like mesmerized.
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I was listening to your question and then I sort of got lost in your eyelashes.
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They re fake.
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Wow.
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They re just drugstore Ardell individual lashes.
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I m so impressed.
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I feel like I need to go.
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I ll be right back.
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Taylor, go see if someone in the office can get some new eyelashes before we continue the show.
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My friend Gillian, who s here, she calls them Snuffleupagus eyelashes.
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They re so pretty.
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No, they re not.
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You know what?
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You know, it is Snuffleupagus eyelash.
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I don t know if anyone has stooped as low as I have to be watching season six of Love is Blind.
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No, everyone tells me I have to watch that show.
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Don t.
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Why?
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It s just it s a nice.
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It s just like you feel your life slipping through your hands.
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But I can t stop.
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And I m waiting.
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I think there s a new episode dropping tonight.
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This is the one where the girl told him that he said, who do you look like?
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And she said, I look like Megan Fox.
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Mm hmm.
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The I think
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I think that you shouldn t say that you look like anyone because you re setting yourself up Do you know what I mean?
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Like just say you ll have to wait and see Yeah, you know, I agree I haven t seen the show meaning like you don t want to shoot too high and then like I don t want to be like I look just like Michelle Pfeiffer you kind of do
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I love Michelle Pfeiffer.
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She s been on this show.
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Catwoman.
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You know what I mean?
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You just gotta, like, you, maybe like, I feel like I should be like, I look like Schmeagle from The Rings.
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And then you re like so surprised.
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You wanna set the bar low.
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Yeah, maybe lower expectations.
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I think that s smart.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, one lady on that show has really, really intense eyelashes that are very fuzzy.
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I sort of like them.
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I think they re kind of cute.
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I have to watch them.
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But it makes her look like a, it s not fallofagus.
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It s nice in the house, I walk around and I ll find a few eyelashes on the pillows and on the couch.
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Yeah, my daughter says, mommy s eyelash.
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Just a little touch.
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When you achieve so much with your acting.
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Sorry, I took us down a side.
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No, we love a tangent.
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And you decide, is it like you almost like are an astronaut, you go to the moon, you ve done it all, you want to just make a pivot?
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Or was there a part of you that you look back that you re like, oh, I should have kept acting?
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No, I never look back, which is so weird, but I think it was a combination of things.
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I think, you know, I had been a very achievement-oriented person.
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Yeah.
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You know, unhealthily so, I would say.
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I needed to do a lot of work on like really understanding my own intrinsic value, as opposed to having the world reflect back to me like, oh, you re good, you did this, you got that.
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I think I, you know, I turned 30, 30 or 31, 31.
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I had my daughter.
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And I was like, I kind of went into an early midlife existential crisis where I was like, who am I?
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Do I even like this job?
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Why did I do this?
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Why am I famous?
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This is really brutal.
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Why did I do this?
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You know, why have I put myself in this position?
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Do I even like acting?
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And luckily I had saved money and I could take time off.
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So I took like three years off to have my kids and didn t work.
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And during that time, I had a complete reorientation towards myself, my family, what was important.
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And I think I had also burnt myself out.
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Like one or two of those years that I was working, I did five movies in one year.
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Wow.
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And it was just a lot and a lot of it was fun, but a lot of it was really lonely.
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And I d be somewhere by myself, no friends, like eating room service.
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I felt very disconnected from myself, from my family.
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And I m like a very home body person.
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I love my family.
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My brother s my best friend.
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I just wanna be with my husband and my kids.
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I ve had best friends since kindergarten and like seventh grade.
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Like I really love my people.
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And some people love this kind of nomadic artistic life, but it was hard for me.
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I felt really lonely.
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And also like, I don t know, it was a different business at the time.
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It was definitely different rules around how women were treated.
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I think they ve made a lot
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of stride since then.
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But, you know, I just felt like I needed a break.
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And then I started thinking about this internet that was kind of early.
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And like, I have always had such a passion around
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food and travel and kind of cracking all the secrets.
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Like, what is the fastest route to the best thing, you know, in this city?
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And it kind of came out of that.
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And, you know, it came out of me cooking at home and my friends saying like, what temperature do I roast a chicken at?
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And I just started like aggregating all the stuff for my friends.
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And then I thought, well, maybe this could be
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like a website, and then I decided to do a newsletter instead, and then it just kind of went, I mean this is a long time ago, this is 15 years ago, pre-Instagram, pre-influencers, you know?
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When you did the newsletter, I remember when you did that, did you know that you were content marketing for a website and a brand eventually, or did you just go into it to do a newsletter like for your friends and whoever subscribed?
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I had no idea what I was doing at all, like I figured out
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a monetization strategy way, way later.
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I had no idea.
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I was just like, I have this passion to talk about this cool stuff.
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You know, I remember one of the first things I discovered on your website was this creepy hole-in-the-wall foot spa in Aspen.
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Oh my god, it s the best.
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I know!
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The best.
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It s the best and I get someone on each foot and I go for two hours and just work on my phone.
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It s like the best.
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That s where I got my first introduction to a foot spa and now I find a foot spa in every area.
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She goes everywhere.
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That s where she does like the majority of her work.
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I m a connoisseur.
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It has to be like hole in the wall.
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You might get a happy ending in the back.
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You never know.
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But I remember that s one of the first things that I discovered on your website.
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So good.
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There used to be one on Perry Street in New York called Angel Feet.
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That was that.
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I don t know.
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I don t think it s still there.
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It was like in a little basement of a townhouse.
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It was totally up your alley.
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The crazier the better.
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Like weird grout in the tiles and all that.
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Yeah, you would have loved it.
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Smelled really musty and oh my God, it was the greatest place in the world.
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That s where I would find my wife if I could ever find her.
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Also, it s like the fish tank is moldy and like there s lollipops from 2001 that are like dum-dums that are like kind of crusty.
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Yeah, when we lived here full time, we used to go all the time and then it kind of, that spot got
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You re missing out.
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I ve built half my business in a foot spa, I m telling you.
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No, I know.
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It s been a while.
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But that s the first foot spa that I discovered through Goop was... You re welcome.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You re welcome.
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It s like, seriously, like people probably have these moments where they found it.
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No, it s good.
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She comes back a different person.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Perfect.
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Who knows what happens in there?
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You ll never know.
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I know.
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Whatever happens in there is fine with me.
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If you come back, it s good moods all around.
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When did you start to know that Goop had such brand potential?
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Because how long has it been that you ve been doing this?
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So I sent the first newsletter out in 2008, so that s 15 years ago.
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I want people to hear this part because people think people are an overnight success.
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Yeah, no, no, no.
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And this is 15 years of you building this to be what it is today.
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So in the beginning, when did you start to be like, this has momentum, this has legs for a brand?
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So I remember, there were a couple moments, I remember
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doing an early, early, early like sort of Christmas gift, like roundup stuff that I had found for Christmas gifts and got an email from one of the businesses I mentioned saying, this was like six months later, saying, you completely changed my business.
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She s like, I cannot believe the volume of requests.
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Like my life has completely changed.
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And I was like, Oh my God, that s so cool.
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And then I started anecdotally hearing these little stories like about how I was really impacting these women owned businesses for largely women owned.
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And then when I started to raise money in, I don t know, five years later, so probably around, you know, 2012, 13, there was one investor who sought me out to invest because I had mentioned another one of his portfolio companies on Goop.
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And they had seen this incredible spike in traffic and customer acquisition and conversion and all this stuff.
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And it sort of stayed high.
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And he said, like, I want to know what happened on this day.
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And they said, oh, we were on this website called Goop.
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And then so that s how I got my first investor.
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How do you go from being such a famous actress to then going to have to raise money?
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Because raising money is not a joke.
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No, not at all.
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And especially if you don t know anything about it.
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I don t know if you did or you didn t.
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I mean, there s a lot of great people, but there s also a lot of bad actors in the space.
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You have to really kind of pay attention to that.
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For sure.
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I knew nothing.
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You know, as I said when I started Goop and started down this whole path, I knew so little about
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technology, e-commerce platforms, email service providers, you know, venture capital.
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I knew nothing.
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I knew none of the acronyms.
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So I ve learned, I had to really very much learn on the job.
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The boys club.
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It took me like twice as long as it would have taken anybody else who was sort of already.
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That s interesting for you to say that because I would assume
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with you, and maybe this is a perception to clear up for people listening, I would assume because of the platform and your notoriety that it would be easier.
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Oh, not at all.
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Not at all.
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Especially at the time.
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I think now it might because now people understand that there are business models around influencers and all that.
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But at the time, it was like, this person has no authority to be starting an e-commerce.
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Like, how is this actress coming over?
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Content.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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And so it was a long process of, you know, learning, getting really close to my business, having to understand that you can have the importance of strategy, but that, you know, there need to be benchmarks along the way, like you need to create a plan to execute the strategy.
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And it s been a long process, but now we re a pretty well functioning business.
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When you think about kind of the duality of your career, one actress, entrepreneur, what has been more challenging for you?
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What do you find harder?
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Definitely my goop career, just in terms of the steepness of the learning curve, how many mistakes I made.
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You know, when you re an artist, you can, there s a little bit more of a, there s more latitude.
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And if you re doing a movie and you do a bad take, you re just like, wow, guys, sorry about that.
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And just do it again.
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In a company, if you make a decision, it can have a very long tail that s, you know, not good.
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Like you can make a decision that s really a disadvantage.
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So definitely, definitely like running goop every day is, it s been, I mean, I love it so much and I love what we do, but it s been really, really hard.
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And there have been so many challenges along the way, so many challenges.
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Out of all the challenges, what would you pinpoint?
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For me, I had to transition from being a solopreneur to an entrepreneur where running a team is not a joke, and especially a team as big as you have.
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Is there been certain things you can point to?
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I mean, the team thing has been, the people thing has been the hardest for me because I have a natural aversion to confrontation.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, giving feedback has been, it s taken me, you know, probably took me 12 years to learn how to give honest feedback.
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How do you do it?
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Pretend you don t like something right now.
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I would say, like,
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Well give me an example, like what did you do, what did you... Give Michael feedback on the way he combed his hair for 45 minutes.
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That is flawless, there s no feedback.
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Say there was something that wasn t flawless.
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Say there s somebody that is being done that, and you disagree with the way it s being done, you have a clearer vision of the way you think it should be, how do you...
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I selfishly want to know, because I need this tip.
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I mean, I start with questions, so I never assume that I know the answer, like if I would do it differently, there might be a very good reason why they ve done it a different way, and if they have the domain expertise, like I would want to understand, okay, what led you to make this decision, usually I find that
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the problems occur when there s a breakdown in communication from somebody s side, like they re not saying, hey, I want to flag this as a problem early enough, or they re not communicating well enough with other cross-functional teams.
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And I just, so after I asked questions, I just said,
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look like this this is a company that s about communication and collaboration and you unfortunately like it s your job to move the ball forward like this is your area and you you need to you need to you know you need to communicate better whatever the case whatever the case is.
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Or sometimes if it s really hard feedback, I think you always just want to be very respectful and you want to point out all of the ways in which they ve done their job well, but that the expectations that you have for a person at their level are different and this is what you expect to see.
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While you re in the middle of this entire process, because running a company is not easy as we ve discussed,
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How do you make the decision to go back to acting and was it just because you had the Marvel opportunity or was it you felt called back to acting?
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Because that s to me when I hear running a company and then going and creating all these new movies that just seems so overwhelming.
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Yeah.
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Well at the time it wasn t a big business.
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When I did Iron Man 1, I m trying to think if it was even.
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I hadn t done the first newsletter yet.
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Okay, because it was 2008 that came out, right?
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Is that right?
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I think so.
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When I filmed the movie, I wasn t, when I filmed Iron Man 1, I was not, I wasn t sending the newsletter yet.
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My son turned one and then I started, and the reason I did Iron Man, I wasn t, I didn t feel called back at all.
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It was like an old insecurity.
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Robert Downey Jr.
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was like, if you don t, he s an old friend of mine.
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He was like, if you don t do a movie, like they re going to forget about you.
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And he s like, and I was like, oh, okay.
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He hit the insecurity trigger.
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Yeah.
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He s like, you better.
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And also I was doing, I had always done a bunch of indie movies and he s like, don t you want to be in a movie that people actually see?
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He, he did the, he did your strategy on you.
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He started asking you questions.
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I was asking when Scarlett Johansson was on here, I said, who holds the record for most Marvel movies?
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And I was wondering, is it you, maybe?
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Or is it her at this point?
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Because you ve been in a shitload of these movies.
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I ve been in three Iron Mans, two Avengers, I think.
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Lauren s like, what s going on?
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I m a comic book fan.
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I m a Royal Tendon box.
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Okay, but so it s five at least, six?
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Five.
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Taylor, how many?
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Get off Pornhub, Taylor, and let us know.
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Get in the game, Taylor.
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And then Spider-Man, apparently, I m in.
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Uh-huh, yeah.
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Now you re in the suit, though, too.
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I was having this conversation the other night.
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I am very stressed with how much I work with having two kids under four.
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It gives me massive anxiety.
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Like, if I were to look across the board, that s the thing that gives me the most anxiety, is being away from my kids when I work.
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But if I don t work, I really don t think I ll show up
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how I should show up.
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How did you manage all that?
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I have major mom guilt.
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But, like, why?
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Stop.
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I don t know.
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You have to stop.
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Like, stop berating yourself.
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It s horrible.
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I m gone for three days right now, and I m like, I should be home.
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I m like, I don t know what s wrong with me.
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It s pretty bad.
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It s that we live in a society where we just are taught to beat ourselves up and always feel that we re doing the wrong thing.
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Did you ever feel like that when you were working and you had two young kids?
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Oh my God, I have this one night that I remember so well.
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I was doing a movie called Country Strong and I was in Nashville.
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And when I had kids, I kind of limited the size of my parts.
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So the last time I really starred in a movie where I was in every scene, I was pregnant with Apple.
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So since then I ve done, you know, a couple of weeks here, you know, to try to manage the mom thing and the guilt and all that.
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I was doing Country Strong and we had shot a scene and we were waiting to shoot.
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another scene.
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And there was a big, I don t know, turnover and set or something.
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So I was sitting in my trailer for a really long time.
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And I called my kids and we had this amazing nanny at the time, Marta from Spain, because we lived in London.
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And Marta, she was so sweet.
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And she had them both in the bath and they were laughing and having the best time.
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That s brutal.
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And I was like, I was so heartbroken.
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I was so full of guilt.
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I really had to say to myself, I m doing this role where I m getting to sing country music, and this is also a part of me.
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And I m doing the best I can.
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And it s OK for me to be heartbroken that I m missing bath time.
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I m not going to miss every bath time.
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And, you know, just to try to like have some ease and grace around it because like it doesn t help you ultimately as a mother if you re going home and you re feeling
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laden with guilt and then you re energetically off and then they feel that you re off and it just doesn t, I don t think it s productive.
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It s so crazy, he ll go away the same time as me and I m like, don t you feel bad?
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Don t you feel guilty?
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And he s like, no, nothing.
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Nothing.
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No, you don t.
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I don t say no, nothing.
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I miss my kids tremendously.
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Not like me.
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No, I love my children and I miss them, but I don t feel, listen, I don t want a big,
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be sexist or anything.
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But I feel women maybe feel a certain pressure in this area that men don t.
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I mean, maybe because the way society is set up, we feel like it s normal for men to go or has been more normalized for men to go out and work and build a career.
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And I think there s been this stigma put on many women.
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It s like, oh, you re working and you can t work and be a good mom at the same time.
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But we just have to stop that because a lot of us want to work.
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And for a lot of us, it s really good for us to work.
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A lot of us have to work in order to put
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Bread on the table.
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I don t think she would be as great of a wife or mother if she didn t do her work I don t think she would be as happy as a person and and you know, I I ve also seen you know I have friends who do all kinds of things who stay home and are with the family and Who work who don t have kids who breastfeed who choose not to like and I ve just seen this emerge this incredible
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judgment that not only women have for themselves, but other women have for other women.
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And it s, we really need to stop doing that.
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It s, it s not productive.
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And we live in a different time.
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Look, I think on some level it s for, for a lot of mothers, and this is not all mothers, but for a lot of mothers, it feels very biological.
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So we feel that there s something physically missing from us when we are not in the same room as our kids.
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Some men don t have that.
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Some men do have that, but
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I think it makes it harder for us women who have that, that our baseline is like, I m sitting here, but I m not totally okay.
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Like my heart is in, you know, where, where are your kids right now?
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Austin, Texas.
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Okay.
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My kid, my heart is in Austin.
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Like I m here and I m half here, but you know, the more you can,
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Except you ve built this amazing career.
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And think about the modeling that you re providing your kids for being true to yourself and doing what you love.
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I try to remind myself.
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It s important.
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I think it s really important.
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I watch my mom work.
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She still works for as long as I can remember.
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to the modeling perspective, like that to me was always a natural thing when we got with Lauren.
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I always grew up with a strong example of the woman in the household working, right?
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It s like a normal thing.
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I think it s good.
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It s a good example.
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Where did your, and also I ll just say like one of my best friends, you know, has raised a whole bunch of kids and now she s like, but who am I?
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Why am I here?
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You know, I have a number of friends who are really struggling with that, you know, because they feel like,
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they made the kids the center of their lives and now their kids are growing up and they re like, why am I on this earth?
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And they re really having a difficult time with it.
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I ll tell you this.
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None of my male friends have ever grilled me and asked me if I have nannies.
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I see so many people asking all the time, her friends, other women comments, do you have nannies?
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And it s like, no guy has ever said, Hey, do you have a nanny buddy?
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Yeah.
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It s just not a thing.
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It s very, it s very, very sexist.
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Where did your nonjudgmental attitude come from?
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Like your,
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I feel like if I told you that I use Michael s semen on my face as a skincare moisturizer, you d be like, yeah.
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I d be like, that s so interesting.
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Tell me more.
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I got to go home to my kids at that time.
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I didn t know you wanted to go.
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I was saying like, if I could be of service to you, if I could be helpful.
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stem cells in the moisturizer.
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I mean if it s good for you.
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But I feel like you do have that very non-judgmental approach.
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Is that always how you ve been?
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No, I would say, you know, when you re a teenager, when you re in your 20s, you think you know everything and you think you re right about everything.
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I think sort of through my 30s and the failure of my first marriage and in dealing with my father s death and I started to learn like, oh, I don t really know anything and righteousness or the idea that, you know, you re so firmly in your opinion about something is like the quickest way to shrink.
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Like,
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lack of judgment and curiosity and openness makes For me anyway, I feel like I have such a rich inner life because I m curious and I my my instinct is not to judge I mean sometimes people say things to me and I ll feel myself judge and then I ll be like, okay No, let s not come on.
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Like don t make that face How do you deal with all the judgment on the internet?
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Like I feel like if you say anything, it s like people just
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I think you in particular.
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Yeah.
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Not to single you out.
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But I think it s because she s so non-judgmental and she s so open with what she s doing that that attracts the judgment and the projection.
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The fact that I know we were joking about that clip earlier on Dr. Will Cole s show.
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Hi, Dr. Will.
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Hi, Dr. Will.
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That that went so viral.
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You could.
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OK, we have 70 or 80 shows we produce all the time.
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You could take 70, 80 episodes and say the same exact thing.
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And there s no way it s going as viral as that.
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Yeah.
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What like why?
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What is that?
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I mean, that s always kind of been the mystery for me too.
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And I think that it s probably some combination of, you know, I ve been
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famous for a really long, long time.
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So I m sort of this person in the culture and now I m sort of like, you know, I ve moved through, now I m sort of getting to be like an elder statesman in the culture.
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I think people have project a certain thing onto me.
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And I think I m also, you know, honest and I have like, I can have a pretty outrageous sense of humor, which I think people don t expect from me.
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Here s what I will say, just sitting in this brief time with you.
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We interview a lot of people in your line of work, and you are very forthcoming and honest.
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And sometimes, you know, you see a wall of 18 different PR people with 30 different editors.
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Yeah, you re very relaxed.
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And listen, I m saying this also when future guests come on, right?
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But it s like,
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Even your team was like, they re like, she s so funny and so relaxed.
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I said, what can I ask her?
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They go, anything.
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That doesn t always happen.
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I mean, you know that doesn t always happen.
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My point is I think most people that have reached some of the levels of notoriety that you have, it s like there s some of this stuff is like walled off or you kind of like are protected in a way.
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So it invites, I feel like it invites the public opinion.
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I think they re not used to seeing someone that has such a big platform just... Be honest.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I don t, you know, I am so not on the internet, like I don t read stuff, like I think we ve got, we really collectively as a culture have gone so low now.
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And to me it just means there s so much pain like for someone to sit there and like write something nasty and press send on any of these platforms like imagine honestly like close your eyes for a second and imagine what it must feel like in your body at baseline for you to
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get on there and be like you mother blah blah blah you know like imagine the state of that poor person that they actually get relief or a release from being nasty and if you met them at a lunch they wouldn t do that right you know like they would ask for my autograph or no no selfie right sorry i m dating myself i feel like in a way the selfie is easier than an autograph yeah sure
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I m like, what are you going to, I used to think like in the 90s, what are you going to do with that piece of paper that I just wrote my name on?
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I think we re all going to be robots soon anyway.
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That s true.
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That s yeah.
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And the neural link is coming.
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What s the weirdest wellness thing that you re doing right now?
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Shock us.
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There s gotta be something crazy.
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Gosh, there s not right now.
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Well, okay, how about this?
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How about maybe you don t think is weird, maybe I won t think is weird, but maybe people would think is weird.
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I feel like I m in a place right now where everybody s sort of caught up to me, you know, with cold plunges and saunas and cupping and, you know, eating clean.
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Cupping is vintage for you.
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Cupping is vintage.
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I was the first cuppy.
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You weren t having to cut my face the other day and I didn t know that I would have a big swell.
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Oh, doesn t it feel good though?
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Yeah, it did feel good.
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I think stem cells are going to be, you know, I have a lot of friends who are leaving the country to go do stem cell treatments, exosomes, that kind of thing, which seems super interesting.
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That s kind of fringy at the moment.
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What do you think with how you re going to see goop evolve when it comes to wellness?
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You know, it s interesting.
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I think for us, it s really, of course we have some great wellness products, but it really is this idea of beauty as wellness, right?
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Like clean, non-toxic, really efficacious product, and also great foot massage recommendations at Aspen.
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You know, our focus is really beauty and fashion in terms of,
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what we really sell and what people really want from us.
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And the wellness content is super important.
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But for me, we have fused our beauty line with wellness.
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So it s kind of the same.
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I read somewhere, and I don t know if this is true, that you said that after goop, you just want to go off the grid.
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Is that a true quote?
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I would love to go off the grid.
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Are you like on a ranch?
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Are you like in Spain?
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Like, what are you doing?
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That s so good.
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She doesn t want to blow her cover.
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I don t want to blow your cover, but like, are you off social media?
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It s okay, Spain s a big country.
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I would definitely get off social media.
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I m on social media, you know, for the purpose of providing a platform to talk about the things that I care about and to create enterprise value at Goop and stuff like that.
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I don t think it s healthy.
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I don t like it.
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Sometimes I m in the bath at night and I catch myself just like scroll, scroll.
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And I m like, this is,
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Toxic so toxic and by the way, I don t even follow anything gossip or anything, but even just even just the Forced engagement like that forced dopamine thing it does I think is really detrimental So I would like to be off social media.
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I would like to be yeah, we d ever see you again.
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I mean I
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I have a fantasy of really going off into the sunset and just like making dinner for my husband and reading books and maybe writing a book.
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I think it would be cool one day, you know, like back in the day when you turn on the TV and it was like, it s just all black.
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Yeah.
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You like went to listen to the podcast.
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It s just like, and you just never see him again.
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I love it.
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Oh, that s so chic.
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I m into that.
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No, hey, it s been great.
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We re going to say bye.
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No long letter.
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No farewell tour.
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No farewell.
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Just go on.
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That s kind of what I aspire to at some point.
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But I ve also learned at this point, I would never say, I m never going to do this again or never going to, you know, I mean, I could decide I could catch an acting bug again at some point, like that could happen.
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Right.
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I have no idea.
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How are you managing your children with social media?
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Like, do you have set rules around it?
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Do you have conversations around it?
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That s a big question.
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Yeah.
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I mean, so I didn t let them do it until, I mean, my kids got phones when they were 12.
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Yeah, that s probably the right age.
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I think 12 sounds right to me.
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And then I wouldn t let them be on social media for a while.
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You know, it s funny.
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My daughter is so cool.
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She s like, this is toxic.
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She kind of does it.
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She s private on Instagram.
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It s just like dope.
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She s like, I m not going to feed into this whole paradigm.
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She s kind of, you know, she s, she s so cool.
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She s at college right now.
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And she s also, she s just kind of like, you know, she, she paints in her spare time, like she s not scrolling Instagram.
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And my son is a boy.
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So he kind of just doesn t give a fuck, you know, it s not even like a, sorry, I just swore.
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It s happened before.
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I m sorry.
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He just is not wired to think or care what the culture thinks about him.
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That s pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I guess what I was gonna tell my daughter when she gets older is like, it s a movie set.
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Yeah.
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Like you re watching something with lighting, with filters, with makeup, with hair.
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Yeah.
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It is like a movie.
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It s just hard because they can t discern that and it s like, everything s so presentational and they re getting these really strong messages about what they re supposed to look like.
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Yeah.
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That s what really kills me for the girls, you know, and they all have,
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a degree of anxiety that I did not have in my generation.
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And I know, I mean, we know, we know social media is responsible for so much of that.
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I think Lauren and I, we didn t get smartphones until we got out of college, like it was the last year, and Facebook came out the year we became freshmen, but you could only do it if you were in school, and there was no mobile, and you had to like, this was back when you uploaded the full album.
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But I think the framework that I use personally that I want to teach my children is, is this a productive tool that s serving you, or are you a consumer?
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Because if you re a consumer and you re just, you are the product.
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No, then you re being like ricocheted all over.
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What is your morning routine?
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It s pretty boring, but... Give us like, I know I see you wearing the iPads on it, like give us like the details.
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I love those iPads.
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I want the details of that.
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So I wake up, my husband and I meditate together in the morning, which is great because... What kind of meditation is it?
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TM.
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Okay.
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How long?
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20 minutes.
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Okay.
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Not too bad.
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So we do that.
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And then we have like coffee time and email and stuff like that.
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And then my son gets up and half the week his son is there too.
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But his son sort of like slips through and goes out.
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My son sort of lingers around and what s she guys doing?
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What are you talking about?
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And then I exercise and then I go to my office and then I come home.
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What s your exercise?
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I do Tracy Anderson method, which I ve done for 17 years, which I swear by.
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Is it weights?
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Lightweights, and it s kind of it s almost like her her her workout is like choreography But don t think about a full dance just think about sort of certain angles, and it s online.
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It s incredible in fact She has a whole streaming Community and those women their bodies are incredible sometimes I just go like I can t believe when they have dedication to her check it out.
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Do you?
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Is that a day?
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Get your wife?
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No, I m saying we ll have to get on and check the body.
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I thought you meant like you better get on that.
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Lauren and me, we have been weightlifting together.
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It s pretty cool.
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That s hot.
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I had to lose 60 pounds.
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After the baby?
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60 pounds.
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That s a lot.
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It s a lot.
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My friend Kate had like gained like 57.
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Yeah.
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I understand.
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I was so hungry when I was pregnant with my son.
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I could not stop eating.
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I really couldn t.
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I was veruca salt.
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Wow.
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Yeah, I was rolling around.
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It wasn t that bad.
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Pull a picture, Taylor.
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I was rolling around.
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Are you doing Tracy Anderson with Tracy Anderson?
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Are you doing the app?
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Are you doing it by yourself?
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So all three.
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Sometimes I m lucky enough that she ll pop by and teach me, which is like awesome.
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A lot of times I ll do it with one of the trainers and a lot of times I ll do it online.
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She has like an incredible amount of content online.
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You can join the online studio and do it.
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So I do that a lot as well.
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Are you doing seven days a week?
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No, I do Tracy Anderson three to four days a week.
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I do Pilates.
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I love Pilates.
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I need to like have some strong, you know, heavier resistance and stuff.
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And then my husband and I walk as well.
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Every weekend we take a long walk.
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And what s your nighttime routine?
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Dinner, six or 6.30.
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Are you cooking?
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Sometimes and sometimes not.
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It really, it depends on the day.
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A lot of days I can t because of work.
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I only get home at like five.
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Okay.
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So you re at the office all day.
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I m at the office all day.
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I cook a lot on the weekends.
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So weekends I cook breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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You do?
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I do.
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I love to cook and I love to, I find it really relaxing.
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What s the, what s the go-to meal that you re cooking?
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For what?
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Which meal?
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Let s say for breakfast.
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A lot of times, so we have a little vegetable patch, you know in California we re so lucky with like, it s incredible how abundant.
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I d love a vegetable patch.
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I d love a cow too.
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A cow I feel is in your future.
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You live in Texas.
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I told Lauren we could get cows and chickens and all the stuff, but she has to participate in helping.
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I think she thinks the animals just take care of themselves.
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I know this is a whole deal.
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It s a whole thing.
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So you have a vegetable garden that you can go out and pick stuff?
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Yes.
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I don t have that.
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I d love that.
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So right now it s winter, so there s a lot of kale, there s a lot of Swiss chard, there are leeks.
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It s so good for you to have that in your backyard too so there s not pesticides.
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Exactly, so I go down and I cut a bunch of stuff and I ll make a frittata or sometimes I ll make a shakshuka, just like my husband doesn t eat a lot of carbs either.
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So we both had long COVID and that was what precipitated the kind of no grains for us.
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So I cook like, you know, lots of eggs and protein and vegetables.
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You eat a lot of meat.
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So do I. I eat a lot of meat because you re paleo, right?
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I m paleo.
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But, you know, I didn t eat meat for like 21 years.
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So what changed that?
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It was a couple of things.
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I mean, I think
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understanding that I was really low in protein and like some changes were, physiological changes were happening in my body that were not good and I needed more protein.
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So I still, I still have a little bit of a hard time with red meat.
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I don t eat pork.
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It s just like not my, not my jam.
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I still sometimes have a hard time like cutting into like a,
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steak, I sort of gross out sometimes, but I still will have it.
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But if it s like a meatball or something like that, I have an easier time.
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I know that s so weird.
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No, it s not weird.
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I understand with the steak.
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It s just like cutting into the flesh.
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Sometimes I kind of gross out.
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Yeah.
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But I think I m more omnivorous now than I ve ever been.
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If you were to tell our audience to do one wellness thing that you think is absolutely life changing, what would it be?
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To forgive yourself.
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That s a good one.
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Yeah.
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Very like Louise Hay.
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Love her.
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We all walk around like we hold these sins in our body, you know, like I did this or I shouldn t have done that or I wish I was more like that.
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It s just like, let it go.
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Forgive, forgive.
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That s a good one.
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What can we expect next for goop?
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Well, okay.
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First of all, we re eating, let s say what we re eating because we re eating the blackberry flavored, the bodyguard immunity juice.
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So you guys, I just want you to know I m so like when I started goop,
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It was so like the clean beauty movement was not a thing at all.
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And the more I educated myself around what is in products that we put on our bodies, which become transdermally absorbed, the more I felt like as a woman, we deserved way better.
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So we created our beauty line.
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to finally have really clean, efficacious, like with clinical results behind it, beauty.
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And then recently we were able to launch Good Clean Goop, which is in Target and on Amazon.
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And I m so proud of this because it s very much in the same vein as our Prestige line, but the price point is much more accessible.
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And it s that same like beauty as wellness.
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So there s a botanical ingredient in every one of these things.
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There s a, there s a clinical ingredient and they re just, it s so good.
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I m, I m like obsessed with it.
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And I, I really think we over delivered on this product and I m excited for you to try.
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This is the right audience.
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We had Ken Cook on the show from the EWG.
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He s amazing.
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Yeah, I don t think people realize how much they re bombarding themselves with all sorts of different things.
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You know what?
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I use my body sculptor and I don t have a body oil to use with it.
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So this I m going to use with the sculptor.
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It s a naked elixir body oil.
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So it gives you like a glow.
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Yep.
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And it s clean beauty.
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Very clean.
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This is, and very beautiful.
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This is the move.
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Michael, you could use a little of this on your elbows.
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You know what I mean?
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What the hell s wrong with my elbows?
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Well, I like to use the oil for, like, if I have a mini skirt or I m showing my arms.
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If you have a really dry area, I recommend the Body Smoother.
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Maybe I ll get some on my bicep right now.
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It smells so good.
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Get a sheen going.
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The Body Smoother, I love.
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Ooh.
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So pretty.
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That s beautiful.
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I have to try.
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This is good for your elbows.
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Okay.
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It s a rich cream.
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What is your favorite product out of everything?
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Look at the sheen on my bicep now.
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No, she is.
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You guys should see her face.
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Yeah, she is.
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She s blushing.
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I really love this, the Daily Juice Cleanser.
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It s like a green juice for your face.
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You re gonna love this.
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Oh my God.
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It foams, it s green, it has chlorophyll in it.
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It s so detoxifying and fabulous.
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It doesn t strip the skin.
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It s like, again, beauty is wellness.
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Does it remove makeup?
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Yeah.
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Amazing.
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I mean, I think if you have like super heavy duty... Don t wear Snuffleupagus eyelashes.
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I don t know how it will do with that.
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There s a lot going on right now.
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But you re so pretty.
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You never know under the makeup.
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Wait, now I need that for my other elbow.
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Okay, that s the good clean.
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So, you know what I m interested in is the eye patches.
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Oh, okay.
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Tell me about those because I love eye patches.
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So that s from our main line, our Goop Beauty line.
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Okay.
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And they are amazing.
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In fact, my husband, even when he wakes up tired, he s like, can you pass me the eye patches?
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They really work.
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I use her, if she has them in the fridge, I ll use them.
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If a good eye patch, there s nothing better than that to me.
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Okay, I m gonna send you some.
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That s my favorite thing on the planet.
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They re incredible and we have an eye cream, like a brightening eye cream that I put on after that s amazing too.
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And this line has a brightening, this is the Wide Awake Eye Serum, which is actually amazing too.
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Maybe I should have, Lauren said yesterday it looked like I was falling asleep and then I got stung by a bee.
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No, you know what I said he looked like?
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That s unloving, Lauren.
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You know when the peanuts are dancing and they re closing their eyes, like Charlie Brown and the peanuts?
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You think that s what he looked like?
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Yeah, he just needed some eye cream, so this is good for him.
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It s gonna wake him up.
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Here, I m gonna put some on you.
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Taylor, check that off my list.
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I m gonna tell Joe to get my eyes taken care of.
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You do look more awake.
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Yeah, no, I feel good.
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It s very good.
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You wouldn t know this looking at me.
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I m a quarter Japanese.
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And my grandmother s full.
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She just passed actually.
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They re going to pull this clip on TikTok and put it together.
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I don t care if you TikTok.
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That I said is... Yeah, it s a little, Lauren, it s a little bit racist from you because I m feeling a little attacked.
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I m just kidding.
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But no, and I... You guys are hilarious.
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I have, you know, I did get a little bit of the Asian eye where my eye, I have deep hoods.
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That s a blessing.
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Yeah, no, I know.
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My grandmother was 94.
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I m going to live forever.
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So tell us what the benefits of the Wide Awake Serum.
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It just opens your eyes.
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Yeah, I mean it here.
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I feel good.
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Is there a little caffeine in there?
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I m a big beauty junkie.
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Hydrate, smooth, brighten.
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Okay.
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Ooh, this is beautiful.
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This all-in-one gel combines peptides, stabilized vitamin C, caffeine, and adaptogens to fight the visible signs of aging.
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It helps smooth lines and wrinkles, brighten the appearance of dark circles, and reduce puffiness.
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How do I look now, Lauren?
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No more Charlie Brown look?
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before you go can you just quickly tell us how you how you develop all these products like what s the process do you actually go on and say we need an eye patch this is what I want this is how I want it or do they present it to you and you say I have my edits so it s a collaborative effort
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you know, there are beauty marketers who it s their job to assess trends in the market, what people are wanting, you know, is it time to make a sheet mask for your face?
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Is it not?
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So there s, you can actually get a lot of data around what people are suggesting.
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I think a lot of it is also then instinctual.
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It s like, well, this is what I really need right now.
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And how can we make the best version that hasn t been made before?
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We work on, we kind of work on,
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One main thing at a time.
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So of course we ll have a few things in development, but we don t have like a ton of product in development.
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We really focus on our hero products and we re sort of known for exfoliation and that kind of like getting rid of, you know, dry, dull skin.
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So we have amazing exfoliating products.
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I found your products to be, to me, the way it s rolled out very intentional too.
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Yes.
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You know sometimes how like a celebrity will launch a brand and you can tell they just went to a company and white-labeled 600 things.
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And it s like a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 step.
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With yours, it feels like what you just said, you rolled it out to what you wanted, like what you needed.
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Like when the iPad came, it felt like you were like, I really want a nice iPad.
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And then like you guys created one together.
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That s right.
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And also, again, like the non-toxic part is so important.
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And for a while, people thought, oh, if it s clean and non-toxic, it can t, it doesn t, maybe it doesn t work.
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It s actually not true.
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The clinical results behind our products are incredible.
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And you can have the best of both worlds.
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And again, like it really drives me crazy.
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Like for example, with the eye patches or the eye masks, they re called, there are some on the market, but they re not clean, you know?
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So I think ours work the best.
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Well, also, when you think about it, it s right by your eye.
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It s kind of like it s going into your skin and it s by your eye.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Just like these eyelashes that are definitely toxic.
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You need to make some eyelashes.
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Quickly, you mentioned peptides.
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Have you experimented with peptides at all?
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Peptide therapy?
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Like injections?
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Yeah, I have.
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What do you think?
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So I did a course of them when I had really, really high inflammatory markers after COVID and I thought they were great.
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I did a short course and it was good.
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This is a while ago now.
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I ve done them for like the cognition and stuff like that.
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And again, actually also after we had COVID in the past and I feel like it just like helps kick the body into gear.
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Yeah, I think so.
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Yeah, there s like been a lot of, I think that s also kind of one of the next things that s going to become more mainstream.
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Oh, for sure.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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Can we do a giveaway?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Can we do your favorites?
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Like a box a basket of your favorites.
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What should we do?
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Can I just give the whole good clean goop line?
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That would be amazing Okay all you guys have to do is tell us your favorite part of this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic and follow at good clean goop or at goop there s there s two there s two right
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I am very obsessed with what you re doing.
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I think it s so inspirational.
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Thank you.
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I really look up to it.
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Thank you so much for taking the time.
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My pleasure.
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You re lovely.
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So down to earth.
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Where can everyone follow you?
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I m sure they already do.
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At Gwyneth Paltrow on Instagram.
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Thank you for fixing my eyes, Gwyneth.
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You re so welcome.
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I feel like a whole new man.
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He s gonna go brag to everyone now.
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You look pretty good.
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I m gonna go around town to everyone, talk to my guy.
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Your eyes do look more open.
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Gwyneth Paltrow just fixed my eyes.
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Thank you.
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Dusty guys, I m sorry for you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having me.
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Don t forget to go shop all of Good Clean Goop.
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It s an affordable, clean beauty line on Amazon.
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You can use code 10SKINNYGOOP for 10% off at checkout.
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And definitely be sure to enter the giveaway.
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Again, that s code 10SKINNYGOOP for 10% off at checkout on Amazon.