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Now the reason we brought you guys here is to talk about Wayne Gretzky.
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We have a secret though.
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What is it?
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Oh yeah.
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We have a secret.
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Tell them what happened.
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But we gotta tell you what happened.
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Because a lot of people.
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A lot of people.
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We get letters.
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A lot of people are saying, Dana and David, there was, I don t know which podcast it was, but you guys talk over each other.
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And Dana,
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I was trying to illustrate it.
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I think they get it.
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We talk over each other a lot.
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There was a technical issue with our buddy Wayne Gretzky so that we could not talk over or laugh or make a sound when he was talking.
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Fucking torture.
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It was fucking amazing.
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I loved it.
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So this is a test to you.
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What do you like better?
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Do you like when we shut the fuck up and act professional and respect the guests?
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or when we re giggling and we re laughing.
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If you want us quiet, this is your podcast.
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But just so you will listen to the podcast, Wayne Gretzky happened to be a great guest with this technical issue.
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He had great stories and I d kind of signal to him.
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But for me personally, I had to wait and looking at his face on the Zoom and going, I think he stopped talking.
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We should start talking now.
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It was very hard.
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We had a long pause and I go, cause we would laugh during like right at the beginning and we were in trouble.
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Cause he goes, when I started hockey and I go,
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And he s like, and you know, because we d cut him out.
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David, let s do whatever.
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This is us.
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I m seeing him on the zoom.
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He s seeing me.
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So we couldn t, he was saying stuff was making us laugh, but we literally, if we laughed at all, his sound would drop.
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So most of the time I m seeing David do this.
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Yeah.
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Cause we can t, we can t even like make one noise because his sound cuts out.
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He s the greatest hockey player of all time.
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He s supernaturally humble about his stats.
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He s always saying, there s plenty of great hockey players out there.
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That s the best I could do.
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That s good, yeah.
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But he hosted SNL when I was there, and it turned out,
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to be a really charming, great episode.
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So we talk about that.
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And that was a big moment in his life.
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These professional athletes who host SNL, it s kind of a badge of honor if your episode was good.
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And so he travels with that.
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And so that was a fun part.
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say he s good he never no he wouldn t but what about the stats like no one has ever scored more than 100 points this season he s scored over 200 six times what about that well i don t know they re just stats they don t mean much you know it sounds like one of the puppets in the balcony wayne oh i don t know well it s the best i can do in a pinch eight yeah he was great but i love wayne gretzky it s very different because it s
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There s pauses, so fucking deal with it.
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And we don t even giggle when they re funny.
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You can t hear us, but we re just off mic.
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And he says funny things and we can t, we re not allowed to do anything.
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Okay, that s all.
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You ll figure it out.
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Wayne Gretzky.
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Write us your comments.
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Where?
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I don t know.
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I heard that David actually is a speed golfer, like he doesn t, he walks up the ball and hits it, and according to Jon Lovitz, is a pretty darn good player.
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Yeah, anybody look good playing besides Jon Lovitz.
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Right off the bat.
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Why do you say that?
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I didn t mean just David, I mean all of us.
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Yeah.
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No, no one can golf basically.
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I m always surprised a guy who s shooting like 120 swearing and swinging the club and angry.
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I m going, dude, you re, you re, you re going to shoot 120.
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Why are you angry?
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Just have fun.
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You know, Wayne is, uh, I ve seen him out at Sherwood and the infuriating thing about him, among other things is, uh, he s, he s pretty good hockey and he s very good at golf and he, yeah.
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Well, you re better than me.
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Yeah.
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Wayne, are you good at golf?
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Just a question.
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Um, I m very average at best.
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Well, Danny, he smoked me.
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So,
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If I, if you with legal rules, no mulligans on a, on a PGA course, could you, if I said the word 90 as a score, would that sound familiar, high or low?
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If I could play the senior tees 60 years old and over.
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Do they move those up?
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I didn t even know that.
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Yeah.
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You know,
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I can t play back where my son-in-law plays.
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I d shoot 120.
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So you, your son-in-law is one of the best golfers in the world.
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So that must be weird going out and playing with Dustin Johnson.
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I assume.
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I don t know.
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You know what s funny about it?
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Everybody always says to me, the first question is always how many shots does he give you?
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You think I m stupid?
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He s always my partner.
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Oh yeah, that s a very smart move.
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I think I saw a scorecard at Shadow Creek of, maybe it was you and Dustin, maybe you guys are all playing, but it was a very low scorecard.
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Yeah.
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When, when you play with a pro and it s just for fun, are they almost extra great in a way?
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Cause they re so relaxed.
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Do they take more chances or they re just kind of laissez faire?
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They re all different, but I will tell you this.
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I play a lot, obviously more with Dustin than any of them.
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He s so cordial to everybody on the course.
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He loves to help people.
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If you guys played with him, you would walk off the course and say,
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What a wonderful guy.
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How nice he was.
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And I don t care who you are.
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You get nervous playing with them.
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I still get a little bit nervous, even though we play a lot together.
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You don t want to embarrass yourself, right?
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Yeah.
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No, I ve heard that from other people, too, what a gentleman he is.
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And that must be great to have a son-in-law that is so cool.
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Oh, yeah.
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Dwayne, I got to play with Tiger to get a lesson for one of his shows or something.
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I saw the show.
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Oh, you did.
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Okay.
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So, you know, it was a knee, knee clacker.
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It didn t talk about nerves.
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And even though he couldn t be cooler and, uh, you know, obviously bored to tears with me, but he was super cool, super cordial, helpful, gave me, you know, in so much pain, he was in so much pain then.
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Wayne, this was,
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you know, the day before the accident.
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So he, it was his last, not round, but I did five holes with him, but I told everyone I was 18, but we did five.
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And then, you know, he d tell me I got the bunker, he d get down and give me reads.
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And I remember asking him then, do you think you ll ever play again?
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Just because, I don t even know why I asked him that because he was so sore from a back operation.
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And then he crashed the next day and I thought, oh, I don t think he can, he ll play again.
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And then he was better than me within minutes again.
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Well, a few athletes come around the world as good as he is and was.
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I can tell you this, the respect that he has, not only from people like you and myself that see him play and watch him, but I can remember four and five years ago asking Dustin, what do you guys think?
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Do you think he can win another major?
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And there wasn t one guy that said, no, he won t win another one.
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They all to a man said, you know what?
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he s
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I gotta beat you by one.
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Oh man, one of the most chilling moments in sports was him winning that.
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I m sorry about your son-in-law, but that was just such an incredible comeback.
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And you know, you re in that pantheon.
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I mean, you are, people talk about Tiger Woods and you know, it s a really small group up on Mount Rushmore in athletics.
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And you re up there with Tiger and that s why we re happy to have you on the show.
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I m thrilled to be on the show because obviously I know both you guys but I m big fans of both you guys and more importantly you re both good people and it s my pleasure to be here today.
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That s nice.
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Dwayne, do you remember the day you went from the pretty good one to the great one?
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Walk us through that day.
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He was two.
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You re not going to want to hear this because I was 10 and it was so silly.
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I was 10 years old, I scored 400 goals on that team.
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And so when I was five and I got one goal, I remember I cried on the way home at the end of the year.
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And my dad said, don t worry, you re going to be okay.
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And I was like, I only got one goal, but I got 400 goals.
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And this guy writer, he wrote every good athlete has a nickname.
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And he nicknamed me at the age of 10, the great one.
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And I was so mad.
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None of my teammates ever called me that.
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None of my friends ever called me that, but it kind of stuck with me for life.
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And I ve had it since I was 10.
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Wow.
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What was your nickname, David, when you were 10?
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Mine was knucklehead.
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Mine was shrimp cocktail.
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and didn t love it.
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Actually, I had read that your dad had helped you with all that.
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And I remember when I was four, my dad gave me a Nerf football and then he drove off and that was it.
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So we have not a similar situation.
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Well, at least you had a parting gift.
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I didn t know it was a parting gift.
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He goes, Hey, play the dad home game.
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Here s a football and get
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it s our it s a it s a point of view but obviously you talk a lot about your relationship with your dad and i was just curious about your whole family playing hockey outside at night and just this whole culture of hockey what your dad was just a crazy fan right of the of the sport of the game
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You know, he really wasn t.
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That s the that s the it was more me than my dad.
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When I was like three and four, he would take me to outdoor parks and ponds because we couldn t afford to skate indoors.
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And I would skate all day.
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And he decided one day he said, you know what?
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I can t take this anymore.
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I m going to build a rink in the backyard so I can sit in the kitchen and drink hot tea and watch him in the backyard.
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So it wasn t.
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He never pushed me.
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I get parents that ask me all the time, they ll say, will you tell my son how many hours a day he used to practice?
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And I would say, you know, I never practiced.
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It was just, that s what I love to do.
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From nine in the morning to six at night, have dinner.
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Sometimes I d skate eight o clock to 10 o clock at night in the backyard by myself.
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And people would say, don t you think you re missing something?
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You re, you know, hanging out with your friends, going to movies.
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I never thought I missed anything,
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And there was passion in my love, but my dad and mom both supported me, but they never pushed me one time, uh, ever.
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Uh, it was never even an issue in my house.
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So, you know, our house is really unique because my five kids are older now.
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I have a daughter that plays tennis at SMU.
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I had a son who was a golfer, but now is kind of, he s at NYU taking business.
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I had a son that got drafted by the Cubs, and I have an older son who loves hockey and does hockey clinics around the world with him and I. And we have, you know what?
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There was never any pressure from me.
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I never pushed them.
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Listen, sports is our life.
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I ve got to travel the world.
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I got to meet some wonderful people, some great opportunities, and it s all because I had a love and a passion for a sport, and nobody ever pushed me.
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Well, for all you pushy parents out there, no.
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But I will tell you, it s the greatest thing in the world, whether you re six years old or a professional athlete, to look in the stands and see your mom and dad and your spouse there.
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The support is so important.
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Every athlete will tell you the exact same thing.
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Did you ever do fantasy sports?
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Cause when I was a kid, you know, it d be like shooting and it s good.
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Did you ever lie out there by yourself going great?
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She s coming in and great.
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She passes off just back to Gretzky.
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She scores.
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Did you have fantasies in your head as a little kid by yourself on the ice at 10 o clock at night?
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Every day.
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But I, I didn t, it was pretty how, uh, always idolized Gordie.
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How at five years old, I got a Gordie, how hockey Jersey for Christmas.
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My parents could have rewrapped it every year and I would have been happy.
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We didn t have a lot of money.
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It s been fine by me.
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So Gordie was my guy.
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Everything was Gordie Howe scores, game seven, overtime, hat trick for Gordie Howe.
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Yeah, we all did it, every one of us.
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And if you re saying you didn t do it, you re lying, because we all did it.
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What did you think when you first met Gordie Howe?
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That must have been intense.
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Oh my gosh.
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I ll tell you my Gordie Howe story.
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So I met him when I was 10.
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And you know, when you meet your idols sometimes in sports that, you know, you go, well, it was okay.
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Or your parents say, how was it meeting Gordie?
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And I remember I told my dad, I said, you know, he s bigger and better and nicer than I even had in my mind.
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And then at 16 years old, I played with his youngest son, Murray, who went on to become a doctor.
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He s a doctor in Detroit.
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We played together, and we d get on the team bus, and Murray was a real diligent student, and he would have all these books.
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And every time I d get on the bus, I d sit with Murray, and Murray would say, Wayne, where are your books?
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And I d go, well, okay, next game, books.
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There was one game I came walking on the bus and I had six books and I went to sit down beside Murray and he goes, I m glad to see you re taking this seriously.
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He says, what do you got, geometry, math, English?
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I said, well, I got Gordie Howe, How to Be a Great Hockey Player, Gordie Howe Hockey Tips, Gordie Howe Lessons.
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I said, you want to be a doctor, you want to be Gordie Howe.
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Did he ever write a book, How to Be Gordie Howe?
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Well, I know one thing, when I was a kid,
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You ll laugh at this because I was like six years old and I sat down in the barber s seat.
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My mom took me to get a haircut and they said, Mrs. Gretzky, what do you want to do to his hair?
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And I turned to the barber and I said, can I get a Gordie Howe haircut?
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That s how much I like Gordie Howe.
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Wow.
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Well, David, you had similar thoughts about me, right?
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Because I m a little older.
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When I saw Dana, actually, I ran into my dad when I was 20, and he goes, I guess you didn t make the NFL.
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I go, what?
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He goes, I gave you that football.
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What a goldbreaker.
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He said it was two colors.
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You were spoiled.
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No, I was a skateboarder Wayne and you know I think it s nice it d be nice to be in your position I think Dana and I have it in a smaller way but when you do something and you see these guys like if I ran into Dan Aykroyd you know I was the same way with comedy I think Dana was too so you run into a guy that Steve Martin someone you grew up listening to albums or
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The exact same scenario.
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And if they turn out to be cool, it s very nice.
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And then if anyone says hi to me just because they saw something and if it s even close to that scenario, and they re probably going to only see me once and they run into me at the Cheesecake Factory.
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If you can be nice for one second, that s going to probably be it for them.
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They re not going to run into you again.
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What are the chances?
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I try.
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I know Dana s very cool to people.
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And I know Wayne, I saw you out at the golf course and always cool to everyone, even Kid Rock.
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You were nice to everyone.
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By the way, Kid Rock is a great singer, Dana.
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And if you don t believe me, ask him.
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Has Robert been in the news lately?
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It s what?
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Has Robert been in the news lately?
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, that s why I always crop them out of my photos on Instagram.
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I can t take the comments.
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Well, for our listeners, just to reiterate, you still have 61 records, right?
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Or is that just Wikipedia stuff or NHL records?
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I honestly, I don t keep track of it, but I,
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Whenever I go somewhere, that s what they say.
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So you would know as much as I do, honestly.
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I tried to put you in context for other people.
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I don t even know how to do it because you were the weren t you the best player in the world by
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time you re 17?
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No, no.
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But let me say this.
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People ask me this all the time, you know, cause it s all subjective, right?
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It s what you believe.
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And so for me, I always say that Allie Jordan and tiger are the three greatest athletes that I ever saw.
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And I happened to get to know three of them and they were all really nice to me.
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So listen,
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That s the great thing about sports, right?
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We sit around and we debate who is the best team, who is the greatest athlete, who is the best hockey player, who is the best baseball player.
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It s all debatable.
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There s so many great athletes.
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It s like your business.
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There s so many good people in your business.
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You can t just sit there and say, well, this guy is the greatest ever.
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There s so many good people.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there are a few stats that are at least eye popping, but there s others, you know, 10 MVPs or, I mean, you scored over 200 points.
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No one else.
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David, let me Dana, let me explain.
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I ve got the stats.
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He has, he won the heart trophy, which is really good.
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The nicest, the heart trophies for the nicest person.
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I think, uh, I don t really know how it works, but he has a big heart and you can tell.
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And, um,
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he has reading his Wikipedia.
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You know that we don t, and we re not laughing during, while you re talking, Wayne, because it cuts out.
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So this is killing Dane and I. We can t laugh over you and we can t talk over you and it s killing us.
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We re smiling.
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Because if you think we re not doing it, it s because you cut out.
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So we have to be, we re training ourselves.
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So I do love all this shit about him, but he doesn t like to talk about himself.
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I can tell.
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I have an interesting question, maybe.
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Well, I found it fascinating that as a young man, you had to move out of your hometown because you were so famous.
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And you re like 14, you move with a family.
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And what I found interesting, because I have kind of a fear of flying.
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I m not terrible, but I m... And that you were flying around in a DC-3 that could only go to 9,000 feet, going around as a 14-year-old in a hockey league.
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What was that like?
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It was horrible.
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I actually got over it because of it.
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All I could think of was it wasn t Ricky Valens that died in a DC3.
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We were always right in the middle of the worst weather you can ever imagine.
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And I think Edmonton and Calgary is cold.
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Sault Ste.
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Marie gets more snow and is colder than Edmonton, trust me.
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So it was a tough year, but you know what?
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I got through it and everything worked out OK.
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And then you tried to help me dovetailing to your great SNL appearance.
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Cause we, we talked about it and you d said, I ll tell you at the end of the week, during the week of SNL, how to get over your fear of flying.
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And you wouldn t tell me all week.
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And then when the show ended, you said one word helicopters.
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Explain that.
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Oh, it was stay out of an airplane.
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If you don t like it, there s no, I ve done everything.
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I ve been to hypnotherapists.
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I ve been in simulators.
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I ve flown with the best pilots in the world.
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It s just a, listen, I ve never had a speeding ticket in my life and I don t like heights, but it s a bad combination.
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Although a little bit older, I m better.
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Janet and I traveled to the Caribbean two or three times this winter.
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I m doing things that I used to not do because I said, you know what, I don t need to get an airplane.
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But either you re comfortable flying or you re not, there s no in between.
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And it s as simple as that.
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Wow.
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Well, I, I, uh, I m a kindred spirit.
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I feel for you.
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If it, if it s good weather and it s going good and it just, everything feels good.
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I can start to relax, enjoy it.
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Mostly it s weather driven or something happening.
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I m the same as you.
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I checked the weather.
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I know where we re flying to.
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I hate flying into places like Aspen or Phoenix at two in the afternoon in June.
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I tried a helicopter once, like you guys are talking about.
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I m sort of in the middle with flying.
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Don t love it.
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It makes no sense to me, so it s hard.
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and the bumps, of course, but that first helicopter, the guy goes, before we get on, how much do you weigh?
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And I m like, I don t know, like 145.
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He goes, more like 146 or 144.
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I go, this can t matter.
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Why does it matter?
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He goes, well, you re gonna have to sit on the left.
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We gotta even it out.
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I don t like that it s that close.
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And then when we heard these noises, he goes, you know what?
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These things have a way of figuring themselves out in the air.
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Let s go for, I m like, wait, what?
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So when you re doing that and it s like an imprecise science of I m on some jalopy and I don t know any history of it.
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Dana s smart enough, he looks up every flight he s on, looks up the pilots, smart.
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It helps a little.
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I was on a private jet once where it was for a corporate gig and the two pilots were full board, just me with two young guys.
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And then they aborted the takeoff and then they start really fighting.
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like yelling each other, fuck you man, it was my fault.
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They re screaming, I m going, should I get off this plane?
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Then they kind of calmed down, said we re gonna try it again, but they re mad at each other the whole flight.
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So stuff like that, it s just weird.
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Of course, try it again, what the fuck?
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Wayne, can we dovetail into your SNL appearance?
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Yeah, let s do.
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Okay, I will walk you through it.
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So I m flying in the airplane, and Lawrence s office had called me and asked me to do Saturday Night Live.
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And I said, are you out of your mind?
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I spent the year with Larry and D.D.
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Gordon and Jerry Brookheimer, two of the best people in the industry.
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And I m like, I don t want anything to do with having to act.
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Or I said, you know what?
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Thank you.
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I appreciate the offer.
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I was on an airplane.
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I was flying to the East Coast.
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I was going to the Kentucky Derby, and I was reading the newspaper, and in the newspaper, it said, Wayne Gretzky to host Saturday Night Live.
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And I didn t even, actually, I pulled the paper down, I looked at my wife, and I said, okay, I know you called Lauren.
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She goes, you re gonna thank me at the end of the week.
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And that s how, and let me tell you, I was so nervous the whole entire time from Tuesday, even taking the pictures on Tuesday, I was nervous.
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But I want to tell you,
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between Dana and Mike and Dennis Miller, John Lovitz, and our hometown boy, Phil Hartman.
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They took me under their wing every single day.
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Every half hour, they d say, don t memorize a word.
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Don t worry about anything.
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We got you covered.
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Just go with the flow.
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If you make a mistake, we ll cover you up.
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So I said, okay, I feel good.
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I can get through this.
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And then I got really nervous when I m standing behind
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the door at 1133.
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The gentleman says, don t go out there on the first name of Wayne Gretzky.
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When they say Wayne Gretzky the second time, I m going to open the door, you go out.
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And I said, OK, I got that.
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So they say Wayne Gretzky, I don t move.
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And he told me, the old guy, and he said, don t be nervous.
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There s probably 25 million people watching live.
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And that s when I got nervous.
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Who would say that?
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Oh, my god.
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the guy and I went, you got to be kidding me.
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So we went up and I was so fortunate.
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We had the Fine Young Cannibals were the music group that year.
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It was kind of an interesting time because I really was excited to do it.
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I was thrilled there was so much Canadian content on the show that they helped carry me through it.
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But I ended up having a riot.
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I had a ball.
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I m glad my wife said, you re doing the show.
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Dana and Mike, and as I said, Phil and John especially, couldn t have been nicer.
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And Lauren was really special to me.
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And somebody said, did you make any mistakes?
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And I said, I don t think I really made any mistakes.
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And they said, would you ever do it again?
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I said, no, because I can make mistakes next time I m done.
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So it was one of those things I m
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so thrilled that I did it.
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I m proud of it.
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And gosh, it was a lot of fun.
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Dana and Mike made it a lot of fun.
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Well, Mike, as you know, being a Canadian and I know he has a Canadian order.
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You guys all get like awards.
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I don t know what your order of something is, but Mike was so excited you were there.
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And we all knew the idea of a professional athlete.
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He s never done sketch comedy, and now he s going to do live sketch comedy.
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So we all understand how insane it is.
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And liked you.
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Go ahead.
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Like putting you on the ice.
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Well, to dovetail to that, so we did a pre tape, which is just a funny memory of my time on SNL involving Wayne here.
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I, uh, I, you know, we didn t really play hockey out in California at that time.
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So I was playing Garth and we re doing a pre tape and where Wayne, uh, our Mike Myers, Wayne is going to beat.
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the real Wayne and your wife is looking, whatever the sketch was, it was very funny, but I was trying to get my skates on and lace them up.
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So this Wayne gets on one knee and helps me lace up my skates.
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And I go, that s kind of cool.
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It s unbelievable.
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And then I got up and I held the hockey puck, but I wasn t doing it right.
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So Wayne goes, excuse me, hold it like this.
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So I just thought,
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Is this like Babe Ruth teaching you how to stand and swing a bat?
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So anyway, that was quite a thrill.
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And you re incredibly nice, as people know listening to this.
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I don t know, there s a phrase, Canadian nice.
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I think it s cultural, but you were so sweet.
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And before we get into the minutiae of the show,
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what happened was the show just caught fire on air, and you caught fire on air, and that really stood out to me.
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The show really landed live, and that doesn t always happen, so.
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You guys were the best.
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I couldn t ever do it again because you guys were so good.
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By the way, I saw the clip of him and Victoria Jackson, and you got that spade-feathered hair.
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My hair was exactly that look back then.
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It was like,
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I don t know if that was a wig or it was your hair, because sometimes in the show they put you in a wig that looks like your hair.
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No, no.
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Let me tell you something.
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So we do all these skits, right?
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And as you guys know, they do, I guess, four or five extra skits that go in the rehearsal shoot at eight o clock.
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He calls me in the office and says, okay, I m going to tell you one thing.
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It shows okay, but if you want to be different, you got to do the singing scene, the Elvis role, quote, the Elvis role, you got to sing.
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I go, Lauren, I have no rhythm, I have nothing.
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He goes, no, no, no, it ll be good.
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We ll tape it, you can mic it or whatever you call it.
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So I said, okay.
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So I remember Paulina would be about six months old, and I was changing her diaper, and I was singing the song rehearsing on Friday the day before the show, because I didn t want to mess up all the words.
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Sort of like an Elvis Presley character, Victoria, as we re on the, I guess, water skis.
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But you know what?
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I m glad I did it, and it was wonderful.
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As you know, you guys are all great on that show.
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Well, we had a lot of practice, you know, but we, in that sketch, Waikiki hockey, I think it was called.
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I think I fake skied in, you were with Victoria, and then I skied in, and then I think you did a fake punch and knocked me out of the frame.
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But all week I knew we were going to be side by side with our shirts off.
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So I was like, you know, I was just kind of kidding.
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Like, we ll see who s got what, what, you know.
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I was doing pushups all week, you know.
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And then I realized when I saw your bill, I mean, you re built, but you weren t you.
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You said it s all really in the legs.
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You don t even you re not a bruiser.
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You re a technician and an artist.
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So you kept the upper body lighter.
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Right.
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And, you know, it s ironic about that scene.
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And people might not know this.
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They want to be hit like this piece of steak off of a table.
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I standing there with a sort of a can of some kind, and they hit it into the can and I
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I couldn t believe I d knocked it in, but Conan O Brien was holding the can.
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He was one of the writers on the show.
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So every time I d see him, he goes, you know, I caught that steak.
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He was the steak catcher.
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How fun.
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But what a great time.
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You know, Dana, we were, I don t think I had many athletes when I was there.
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I think we had Michael Jordan, which is a good one to have.
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And he was the same way, like out of the element, perfectly normal to be
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freaking out.
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Listen, Dane and I are supposedly supposed to be good at it.
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We re in sketches at bottom all the time.
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It s just, that s just the luck of the draw and you can t always nail it.
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It s not always under your control, but when you see athletes come on, it s just really fun.
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And if they try stuff, like if you singing or everyone knows this isn t what you do, it s kind of just fun to watch this train wreck in a way.
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Well, Waikiki, Hawaii, like the show was going on live and I m not exactly sure where it was, but I remember like roars coming from over that side of the studio and then looking at a monitor or something and seeing you become Elvis, you know, and I thought there was a charisma to your commitment.
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And Elvis was shy, but then he also had this great confidence.
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And that s what I think creates charisma.
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So when you did that in that moment, I don t know if your wife said it to you, you were a rock star.
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Look at the tape.
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Yeah.
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By the way, I m not saying your show is a train wreck.
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I m saying sometimes if things go sideways, it s never really the athlete s fault because they re just put in a ridiculous situation.
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But it is fun to watch because sometimes some sketches go really well and everyone s like, hey, pleasantly surprised.
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But yeah, going back twice is probably tough.
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You get a feel for it.
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You get the nerves out.
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By the end of the show, you re like, I did it.
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It s a bucket list.
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Done.
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Can t deal with it.
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Thank you.
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So let s break him down a little bit for fun for real SNL fans.
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So you got to work with the great Phil Hartman, God rest his soul.
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One of the best people ever and greatest cast members.
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And he did a character called the anal retentive man.
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And this one, he was a anal retentive fisherman and you were fishing with him and you got to see him up close to his character and hang out with Phil.
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What are your memories of that sketch?
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So it was really, it was amazing because
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When I first met Phil, and you can ask anybody that I know or you know, one thing I know about is every celebrity that ever went to Hollywood, if they re Canadian or not, I knew every guy.
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And probably because of my friendship with Alan Thicke over the years, I just learned all the way back to Lorne Green, who was Canadian, right?
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And when I got to SNL, I didn t realize Phil Hartman was Canadian.
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And the first thing he said to me is, you know, I m Canadian.
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And I went, oh my gosh, I really didn t know that.
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And he goes, well, and I m from your hometown.
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I m from Brantford, Ontario.
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And I was so embarrassed.
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I looked at him and I said, oh my gosh, I didn t know that.
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And so him and I, we chatted the whole week.
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He went to the same high school as my mom went to back in whenever, uh,
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It was amazing because he said, I want to do this anal retentive fisherman skit.
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And oh, it s more like a talk show, which is comfortable for me.
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And I m like, yeah, okay, that s fine.
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And so we re sitting in the boat dress rehearsal one day.
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And I said to him, I said, you know, Phil.
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I m sorry, I didn t really realize you re from Brantford.
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And secondly, I said, the one thing I hated doing with my dad as a kid was fishing.
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So I had a good chuckle.
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He used to tell me stories about where he grew up and what area.
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I was so impressed by him.
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And he was so nice to me.
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And I m so happy that I got to do that sketch with him.
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Because he just carried the whole thing, as you guys know how talented he was.
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He said, Wayne, just play off of me.
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And you know, if you mess it up, I ll just cover it up.
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And I said, okay.
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And that s really kind of how you guys carried every sketch.
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You guys are so professional.
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I saw, I watched that sketch and you just handled it great.
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And you get eaten by a giant fish at the end.
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Yeah, we don t give it away, Dana.
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You know, he, I think, I think fishing, he doesn t like fishing because it s, it s really melted ice and that drives him crazy.
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Yeah.
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I like it frozen.
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So there was another sketch that I love the rehearsal because this, it made me laugh because we were all these celebrities trying to give you advice in the locker room.
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So Phil, once again, was playing Jack Nicholson.
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I was doing Travolta and we re just giving you like really inane advice.
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But anyway, every time Phil would talk to you in the rehearsal, he would say, great one, just like Jack Nicholson saying that.
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And every time I saw your
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head go down and you were just laughing your ass off over and over.
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Speak to that.
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I know.
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I pulled him aside on the Saturday.
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You know, Saturday, as you guys know, is a long day.
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And I said, Phil, just don t say great one too many times.
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But you know what, listen, it was, I remember Dennis Miller was playing the owner of the team also.
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And Dennis was standing there, he had a suit and tie on, and he was trying to be serious.
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And every time I looked at him, I kind of started to giggle.
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Because I think at the time he was doing Weekend Update.
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And I m like, okay.
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And I would kind of giggle and chuckle, but you know what, it was all good.
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Dennis is so funny.
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I don t know what his attitude was there.
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It must ve been, all right, come on now, let s listen to these actors, okay?
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They re gonna show you how to play hockey, all right?
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Hey, Johnny T, what do you got?
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And I was Travolta, and my only advice to you was maybe everybody could just rush the net really, really fast.
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Everybody goes right at the net, just super fast.
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I don t know if Wayne you golf with Dennis but when I was younger you know Dennis is probably my favorite comic and we got to hang out right when I got SNL right before I was opening for him.
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I used to open for Dana too and they were always nice but Dennis and I were playing.
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in Palm Springs, he drives all the way out to Palm Springs.
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The first crazy thing is he goes, all right, Spudley, we re gonna play, you know, wherever out there.
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And I go out and he goes, all right, so you got your car, follow me.
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I m like, follow you three hours to Palm Springs?
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We can t ride together?
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And then we get out there and he,
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On the first hole, one thing I do is I go, hey, it was a par five.
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I go, where s the, where s the fly?
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He goes, Spudley, you don t have to worry about the green for another fucking 12 shots.
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Just hit it.
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I go, oh, okay.
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And then he goes, and then he duffs two shots.
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He goes, let s get the fuck out of here.
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I m going home.
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I go back to LA.
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I go, dude, don t have this much of a temper.
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God damn.
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That s Dennis.
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Wayne doesn t know this, but I was sort of the Dave Semenko of SNL.
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I like that you got that name.
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I just read it off the computer.
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I was sort of the enforcer and regulator, like when I was around Farley and people would bump him, they would go to start a fight and they d look at me behind him and they d go, okay, all good, all good, you know?
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Because they knew I d jump in.
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Well, who was that guy, Wayne?
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What is your remembrance of Dave Zemink?
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First of all, he was amazing, because probably the toughest, maybe toughest athlete, toughest hockey player I ever saw, and the nicest man.
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He would never try to hurt anyone.
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We were playing a game one time, and I knew the kid on the other team, and he was kind of bumping him, and I said, hey, stay away from him.
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I don t want to fight you.
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Stay away from him.
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And the kid just kept going back at him.
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So finally, he dropped his gloves.
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He threw one punch.
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And two guys carried him by our bench and his nose was sideways.
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And I was sitting on the bench and I said to him, I told you to stay away from him.
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But he was so, by not only his teammates, but he was kind of a hero in Canada and in Edmonton.
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Blue collar guy, hard worker.
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I can t say enough good things about him.
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He meant so much to my career.
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And I don t know, people aren t as familiar with hockey, is that you would have players or teammates that part of their job was to protect you, right?
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Or how come you didn t get hurt so much?
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Because weren t they trying to hurt you or jam you up against a football?
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I would ve.
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Yeah, I would ve tried to hurt me.
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It just makes sense, I guess.
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And part of it was luck, quickness, you know, just to get out of the way.
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You know, when I turned pro in 1978, I was 148 pounds.
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I remember the first day in the locker room, players were looking at me going, there s no way this kid is gonna survive playing against men.
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And, you know, I just, I guess I started at six and when I played against 11 year olds, I just learned how to protect myself because I was always the smallest guy.
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And even when I turned pro at 17, I was playing against them with men.
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And that s just the way I did it.
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Um, I promised my dad I would finish high school and I did.
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I played with men who treated me like a teammate and yet respected me as a person.
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And I was very lucky.
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Did you, did you, uh, pay attention to like nutrition?
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I mean, what was your pregame meal back in those days in the seventies?
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It was awful.
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You know, every game day though,
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I would eat steak and potato at 1230.
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I never changed from the age of 16 to the day I retired.
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But in those days, you know, in between periods, I d have a piece of pizza, chocolate bar, a sandwich.
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I just, you know, knowledge is everything, right?
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From concussions, we know more about it.
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Nutrition, fitness, training.
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These athletes today are so much better just the knowledge they have.
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Um, so yeah, it was a different time, a different era.
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Um, I bet there s a lot of professional athletes today have never even seen a cheeseburger, uh, or a hot dog.
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Uh, that s just, they re so, uh, dedicated now and they, they, they have such an understanding that we didn t know.
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We didn t understand.
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And also, I don t know if this is real, but a number that LeBron would throw out, or maybe Seth Curry, is about a million dollars a year spent on their body.
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I guess between the full-time body work person and cryo chambers, and I don t know what, but it seems extraordinary now what professional athletes do.
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Hey, listen, Dustin s in an individual sport.
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He has his own personal trainer that he s had for 10 years.
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as a personal chef that goes to tournaments and they eat properly, they rest properly, they have a masseuse, you know, they re doing it properly, right?
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They understand this is their livelihood.
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Whereas back in our day, when you got to be 40 years old, you re relatively older, right?
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It s a difference.
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Yeah, if you look at, you know, All in the Family, remember that show, Dana?
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Archie Bunker?
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He was 21 when they shot that.
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No, he looks old.
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stifling yourself, Edith.
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No, but it s true.
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I mean, I think golfers are at first it was basketball players where they were all lanky in the old days and now they re all ripped.
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And then, uh, I think golfers are all getting stronger and hitting it farther.
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And I think it s just part of it.
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Everything s just getting better, stronger people, living longer people playing longer.
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Well, listen, every sport has changed.
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Baseball athletes today are better.
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Uh, football players are bigger and stronger.
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Golfers are
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Tiger changed all that when he became an athlete, training and lifting weights and running.
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And it has a trickle-down effect.
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Tom Brady, what he did in football.
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It s just, it s a different world.
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Look at Djokovic and Federer.
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Federer is 41, playing well.
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Borg retired at 26.
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It s just a different.
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Yeah.
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And also, um, you know, the one thing I, I don t know if I was trying to figure out anything equivalent in other sports.
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It seems like that your special gift was, I don t know what the exact quote was, but don t go to where the, where the puck is go to where it s going to be.
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So if, if Brady s a quarterback and he s seen all this stuff happening on the field opportunities squashed, maybe an opera,
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all in split seconds.
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Is that related at all to what makes a great hockey player, being able to see the whole vision of the ice and anticipate?
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Yeah, I think that there s a couple of things.
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One, you re right about that, the vision, the sixth sense of understanding what is out there in front of them.
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Um, and there s a lot of great athletes that have that.
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And then there s the special athletes like Jordan, Tiger, um, Grady, uh, Federer, Djokovic, Medell, uh, that you can t teach being able to play under pressure.
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And either you, you welcome the challenge and you want to be there in that minute, in that moment.
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Or you can t handle it.
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And there s two different kinds of athletes.
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Some guys relish it.
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Right now, you look at a kid like Patrick Mahomes, he relishes being in that spotlight and taking on that pressure.
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LeBron always takes on that pressure.
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Brady did.
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You know, in our game, guys like Mark Messi and Marilyn Mu, they welcomed
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that challenge of being in game seven and being in the spotlight.
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And that s when they became their best.
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That s when they became better athletes.
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So you can teach a guy everything you want to teach him.
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If he can t handle the circumstances, if they can t handle the pressure, it s all for naught.
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And there s some athletes that handle it better than others.
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And some guys just, they have a tough time under that microscope.
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But the great athletes, and I go back to
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Watching George Bradhead and McEnroe play tennis and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson.
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The bigger the game, the better they play.
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And they just, it was like when you talked about one of your first questions to me, did you dream about this as a kid?
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Game seven, scoring the winning goal or winning basket.
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That s what those guys did.
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And you could see the smile on their faces.
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The bigger the game, the happier they were.
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And that s why they became who they became.
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Do you see that in present generation?
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There s Austin Matthews, who s from my town of Scottsdale.
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There s Sid Crosby.
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Do you know these guys?
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Do you see them?
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Do you talk to them?
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Yeah, I know them all pretty well.
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We re at a crossroads here.
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From the late 90s till about now, Crosby and Ovechkin carried the mantle, and they were amazing.
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David s going to go down as one of the great players of all time, and Alex is too.
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More importantly, what they ve done for the game and for the cities that they live in, Washington and Pittsburgh, they re both champions.
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And we sort of pass the mantle now to guys like Matthews, and McDavid, and Nathan McKinnon, Joe McCarr.
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These kids are amazing.
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They re good kids.
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They work hard.
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They understand the position they re in, the spotlight they re in.
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The game is probably in a better position now than it s ever been.
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And they should feel proud about that, because they work hard.
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You know what, it s a tough grind, but they all live up to it.
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But what Crosby and Ovechkin did, they carried the mantle for a good 20 years and they deserve a lot of credit.
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You know, someone once said you miss a hundred percent of the shots that you don t take.
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Do you like that it s on the office and it s like super famous?
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I ve got to be honest, I m tired of seeing it.
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I see it everywhere.
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It s funny they put Wayne Gretzky then underneath that.
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It s a great quote.
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That s funny as shit that he steals it and still gives it to you.
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Also, your lovely daughter was in Grown Ups 2, which
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Spade had a part in.
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I met her on that.
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She was perfectly sweet and polite and nice, and I hope she had fun on that.
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She seems to be doing well.
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I see her out more out in the world.
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I don t see her personally, but I see she s doing great.
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Yeah, she s doing unreal.
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Two beautiful grand boys that, you know,
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People say to me all the time, isn t it great being a grandparent?
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I m like, we re not normal grandparents.
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They travel two weeks a month.
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And I, I m like a father again.
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I said, I got to get up 6 30.
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Janet makes some breakfast.
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We take them to school and it s all fun, but we re not like those regular grandparents that hand them back at the end of the day.
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Wow.
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My son and his wife and daughter live here.
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And my other son and his fiance live here.
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So we re all here except for the two kids in college who are in Florida and it s really nice.
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Wow, yeah, you just seemed really, really, really blessed with this family.
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What I wanna talk about for a second is the revolution in marketing.
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I bet Gordon Howe didn t make that much money during his career, but now athletes create global brands and all kinds of things, and you re the most successful hockey player as a post-career athlete.
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Entrepreneur, I believe, or one of them.
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I just wanted to call that out.
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Greatness wins because I watched a documentary on Misty Copeland.
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last night, or she was on a gardener s show.
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Anyway, she s a partner with you and Derek Jeter.
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That s still going on.
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Do you have a beer company or any kind of winery?
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I have a winery in Canada, which some people know about, some people don t.
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We re in Niagara-on-the-Lake.
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Before the pandemic, we were probably one of the most visited wineries in the world, about half a million people a year.
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Partly because 4 million people a year go to Nashville Falls for their honeymoons.
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We re 10 minutes away from that, but we put out a really nice red wine, white wine, ice wine, vodka, whiskey, beer.
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I have a great partner who s been in the business with his family since 1955.
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We have an outdoor hockey rink in the wintertime.
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The kids can skate and play hockey and have games.
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So, you know what, listen, I said this earlier, everything I have in hockey, or in life is because of hockey.
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Doors have opened and people I ve met, as you said, being with Misty and Derek, with Greatness Wins, I originally started with Untucket as an investor and that company did well and he decided to branch out, Chris, and you know what, listen, I can t thank enough
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my family and friends and people I ve met.
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It s just been a lot of fun for all of us.
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It seems like it maybe satisfies, I don t know about Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson, it satisfies a little bit of post-athletics competitiveness in a way.
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So you want to win at investing and have your product be the best product.
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So it feels like it s a natural fit just for something.
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It s exciting.
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It s exciting and I love it and I m enjoying it.
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And actually two weeks ago, Derek and I had dinner together and Derek s a little bit more involved day to day than I am.
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But the truth be told, for me, the competitive period of winning hockey games is everything.
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And winning championships, to replace that, I don t think I ll ever have that same high.
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That s just me being honest.
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But I m loving what I m doing, being a grandparent.
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My family is everything, and I m lucky that my kids are healthy, and my wife deserves a lot of credit.
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The greatest compliment you can get as a parent is when people say, you know what, your kids are so polite.
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And that s because of my wife and how she raised them.
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She was around way more than I was when I was working.
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But I feel very fortunate.
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I ve lived a wonderful life and met some wonderful people, been to some great cities.
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I wouldn t trade it for anything.
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It s been very enjoyable.
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I just had a quick question on another frequency.
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As hockey movies go, Slapshot with Paul Newman, Mighty Ducks with Emilio Estevez, or Miracle on Ice with Kurt Russell.
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I don t know if you ve seen them, but those are three.
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I ve seen them all.
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Okay.
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Well, let s rank them.
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You ever seen the Gabby Dugan movie?
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I think President Ronald Reagan played a New York Ranger in 1947.
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You have to get a tape of that one day.
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It was actually pretty good.
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He would get penalties on purpose, so get in the penalty box and talk to this pretty lady that he ended up marrying.
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And I think the movie s called Gabby.
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That was one of the funniest hockey movies I ever saw.
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But I ll rate them like this.
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One of the handsome brothers I played professionally with, Steve Carlson, one year in Edmonton.
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I enjoyed Mighty Ducks because Michael Eisner used to come to a lot of the hockey games with Janet.
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And he said, I m going to do a hockey movie called the Mighty Ducks.
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And then I m going to have an NHL team called the Mighty Ducks.
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I remember saying to him at dinner one night, you re crazy.
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How can you have an NHL team named Mighty Ducks?
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What do I know?
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And then, uh, the third one was Caddyshack, right?
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Miracle on ice.
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That was about the Olympics.
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We went to the premier of the miracle on ice and unfortunately Mr. Brooks had just passed away.
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It was very emotional.
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Uh, it was a wonderful movie.
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Um, you know, it s hard for me to pick one cause they re so different, but I will tell you this, Rob Lowe did a movie with Patrick Swayze called young blood eighties.
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And he called me one day and he said, can I come out and skate with you guys?
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I m doing this movie in Toronto.
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We came out and skated in a morning skate with the, I was playing on Edmonton then, the morning shoot around him and David Foster.
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And they came out and skated and he was actually a really good athlete.
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He was good.
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So a lot of the younger people love that movie young blood, but all in all the enjoyment of winning the gold medal miracle on ice was pretty special.
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Yeah, that s a big one, yeah.
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Kurt Russell s great.
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Kurt Russell as a character.
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that coach again, again, again, they re training them all night long.
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I mean, he was just torturing them, uh, in a good way.
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Yeah.
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That s great.
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Uh, before I go, uh, before Wayne goes and then Dana goes third.
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Um, but, uh, I wanted to say, uh, Wayne, first of all, thanks for talking to us.
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And I don t see you a lot, but when I do, uh, in the golf course, you re very polite, very cool to me.
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Um, your wife, very sweet fleece me for maybe three, $400.
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It s fine.
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Dana, his wife plays and she s, of course, great.
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And then, of course, I got roped into whatever.
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And anyway, I lost money.
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Long story short.
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But I think it s a business write off, I think.
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And that s it.
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And Dana, anything else you want to tell this young man before we go?
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I just want to say thanks for coming on and you re our first athlete host, I believe.
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So Peyton Manning also did a great job hosting.
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Michael Jordan, they re always welcome.
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But you re our first and my first superstar athlete on that show was your show.
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And it always crossed my mind as a special show.
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And just been a pleasure talking to you.
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I call you the great one of life.
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Put hockey aside.
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Yeah, it s got a lot going on.
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Oh, by the way, one last thing, just the NHL Turner Sports show that you do for Turner Sports National Hockey League that you just started doing right last year is kind of like Charles Barkley.
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It s sort of like Kenny Smith.
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Yeah.
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Are you enjoying that?
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I love it.
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I couldn t be with a better company.
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The people are so nice and Charles obviously we see him a lot there because our studios are side by each.
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It s just been a wonderful fit and I get to be around hockey periodically and I couldn t be happier.
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I want to thank you two guys for taking the time to talk to me and you guys are always great to me.
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I wish you all the best of luck with your podcast.
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Hope it goes great.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, buddy.
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We re doing great.
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Shout out to Paul Bissonette, Anson Carter, and Liam McHugh.
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I think I got those names right, your partners.
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If you need me to help you with any of the other athletes who do your show, call me.
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Thank you, buddy.
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Have a good day.
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Appreciate it.
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This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13.
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Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes.
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Available now for free wherever you get your podcasts.
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No joke, folks.
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Fly on the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13, executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corcoran of Cadence 13, and Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment.
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The show s lead producer is Greg Holtzman, with production and engineering support from Serena Regan and Chris Basil of Cadence 13.