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The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur.
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A very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the Skinny Confidential.
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Him and Her.
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Being on America s Next Top Model was, it was contagious.
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You know, I knew what I was talking about.
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I was the only person on the show that knew what they were talking about.
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The rest of the judges just, yes, tirade to death.
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And I would sit there and go, no.
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We just need more to see what the world actually looks like and how it does exist in the modeling world.
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I have to be honest, I normally don t get nervous for interviews.
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But this one, I was a little nervous.
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And that is because we are sitting down with a legend.
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Janice fucking Dickinson.
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What an icon.
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She is one of the most successful models of the 1970s and 1980s.
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She is the world s first supermodel.
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She is also an author, a judge on four cycles of the reality show America s Next Top Model.
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She s also a singer.
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We ll get to that.
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And she has a few famous ex-boyfriends.
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like Mick Jagger.
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She gives us all the meat and potatoes on Mick Jagger.
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In this episode, we re going to talk about growing up with an abusive father, how she got her start in modeling, Mick Jagger, more famous ex-boyfriends, modeling, the industry, how it s changed, Tyra Banks, pretty woman, Bill Cosby, why she got sober, and all of her skincare tips.
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I think this episode is super special to me because my mom and my aunt, when I was a little girl, probably about like 14 or 15, gave me Janice s book, No Lifeguard on Duty.
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And I read it and like fell in love with her honesty.
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I just liked how she was such an oversharer and she told it how it was and she told it how it is.
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And then I bought her next book, Everything About Me is Fake and Imperfect.
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And I just like laughed the whole book.
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And then when I was an adult, I went back and read both of her books.
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And now I have a signed copy.
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So it s really full circle to have Janice on the podcast.
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I know you re going to love this episode.
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Janice Dickinson, welcome to the show.
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This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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I have harassed Janice Dickinson to come on this podcast.
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for, I think if you, I told you if you scroll back in your Instagram for maybe five years.
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I read your book, your books 15 years ago, fell in love with you, read them again, recommended them to my friends who read them.
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And I m just so excited you re here.
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The world s first supermodel on the Skinny Confidential.
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Oh gosh darn, I m so happy.
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I want to sort of do this podcast like your life story.
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And I d love to start with your childhood because you talk about that in the opening of your book, No Lifeguard on Duty.
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What was your childhood like?
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In retrospect, it was happy because I chose to make it happy.
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But in my house, my father was a pedophile.
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And he was molesting my oldest sister, like, as often as he could.
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And I was just always privy to that knowledge.
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And I would do anything to separate them, like scream.
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If they were in a room together, I d start screaming.
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It was painful and I did not know how to, I didn t know how to tell my mother because my father told me that he would kill her or something.
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Yeah, what age did you become aware of this?
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About when I was five.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, it s just, you know, it s just, it just shouldn t have taken place.
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It s so wrong.
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Well, I mean, just thinking about that dynamic.
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It s like, it s the person that s supposed to protect you and love you, but also probably at that time, the disciplinarian in the house.
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So you re worried about upsetting that person.
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And then your sister s there suffering and not able to tell your mom.
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I mean, that is just, that is just heavy to contemplate.
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It was hard.
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But I did have other aspects of my life that were great.
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When my father wasn t around, he was a merchant marine, seaman.
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He d go off for months and months at sea, and that was great because it would just be us girls in the house.
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My younger sister, my older sister and myself, and my mom.
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And that was
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That was just a blast because we all laughed a lot.
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Yeah, we had to go to church.
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We didn t like the discipline of going to church, but she made us do it twice a week in Catholic school.
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It s devastating.
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Were you always a spitfire when you were young?
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Yes.
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Yes, always had to have the last word.
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And how did that go with your dad?
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Didn t go well at all.
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No, he hit me a lot.
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So every time you spoke out, he just was like, get back in line.
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Yes.
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So you ve always been this outspoken, unapologetic type of woman since you were little.
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Yes.
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Do you look back on your life when you were super little and see things, too, that you are now?
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Like, did you know that you were, like, so beautiful and you wanted to be a model?
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I did.
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I just did.
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I mean, that sounds conceited.
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But I just knew that I was different from anyone I d ever seen.
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I d look around and there was no one in the magazines.
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I was going through magazines at age nine.
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I didn t see anyone that looked like me or resembled me at all.
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And so I said, I said, there s a place for you to me.
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I said to the little me.
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What was your first big break?
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Getting this campaign, it was called DIM, D-I-M, DIM, and it was for Altus Shear Stockings.
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It was all over the subways in Paris and Milan.
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And it was just me with this gaping smile.
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And my legs just coming out of nowhere.
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My legs were just so long.
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And that s when I first knew that I had hit some nerve or vein in the industry.
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When you look back, modeling must have been a way, too, for you to almost, like, escape your house.
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Like, it was sort of like a ticket to get out, it seems like.
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That s pretty good.
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It s a pretty good thing to notice.
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And what about your sister?
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She went off and went to college and she just, she lived her life.
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She got married, she had a husband.
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My younger sister, she went to school.
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I brought her to Paris at a later date, so she became a model as well.
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And how did both of you get past that childhood trauma?
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What does that look like when you start to both go off on your own?
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Oh, well, I overspent.
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I didn t know when to stop.
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If there were like trays of Coke, I didn t know how to stop.
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Alcohol.
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I could pretty much stop with alcohol because the taste of it made me sick.
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I just wanted to be at the party.
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I didn t want to be alone.
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You know who also said that in her book?
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Paris Hilton.
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She was molested in boarding school.
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a lot of respect for her.
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And she said that the reason that she liked to DJ and she liked to go out so late is she never wanted to go home and close her eyes.
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She wanted to be around people all the time.
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So people are always like, how can you stay out till 4 a.m.
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every night?
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And she loved it.
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Easy.
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I mean, it makes sense.
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You don t want to be in the dark.
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You don t want to be alone.
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You want to be surrounded by noise and people and feel safe.
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Mm hmm.
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I ve met her.
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She s lovely.
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I mean, she s she s built an incredible career.
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I d say you re the first supermodel.
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She s the first influencer.
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She s starting to now get a lot of credit, but for a long time she didn t get nearly enough credit.
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But now if she s getting it now, let s support her, man.
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She s cool.
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So what was the industry like pre-Janice and post-Janice?
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The industry changed because you came in and sort of made the world s first supermodel.
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What did the industry look like pre-you and post-you?
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It was bland.
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It was bland.
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The girls were bland.
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I had a tendency to hang out with Patti Cleveland, just really way out models.
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They were cool.
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So when you came in and you started creating your own brand as a supermodel, did that change the industry?
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I don t know if I changed the industry.
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You think so?
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I think that before there wasn t a personality to the model.
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There was no attitude Yeah, I think that you came in and showed that there was something more than just a picture
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Yeah, I had a big mouth, like I said, and I loved to talk and loved to make people laugh, and I loved hanging out with stand-up comics.
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That was my thing.
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You added color to the industry a little bit.
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Like you said, it felt bland, and then you came in and there was more dynamics to it.
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It wasn t just a picture, there was a personality behind the picture.
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And whoa, when Studio 54 started, I was like the belle of the ball.
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I was there every single night.
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Tell us every detail about that.
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Every detail about that.
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It was like I just went and danced and had a glass of champagne and a cigarette and I was just dancing.
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I just never sat down and danced from 11 to 2 and then I went home.
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I was faithful about going home and getting rest.
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Who is at Studio 54 at this time with you?
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Everyone.
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Mick Jagger?
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Yes.
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Is he really all potatoes?
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What did you say?
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All potatoes, no meat?
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He s a lot of fluff.
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Really?
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That s such a letdown.
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I know.
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You know, he let me down so bad.
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I mean, there we were, apparently, so in love with one another.
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He was cheating on his girlfriend.
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At that point, I didn t really care because he told me he was going to dump her.
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Of course, you never believe guys.
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Biggest mistake in the book.
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Believe in us guys.
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I shouldn t believe you?
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No, you should believe me.
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He looks honest.
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You never know.
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You keepin  him in line.
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So Mick Jagger had a girlfriend, and he was also courting you at the same time.
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Yes.
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And he told you he was gonna leave the girlfriend.
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Yes.
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So what happens when you guys are all at Studio 54?
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We never really went out together in public.
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How did he find you in the first place, or did you find him?
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We met at On the Rocks up here, the Whiskey a Go-Go.
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Oh, that s cool.
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And On the Rocks is this private club owned by Lou Adler at the time.
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And you re just in there hanging out.
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Yeah, I was on the dance floor just dancing my ass off.
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Like I said, I go out, I dance.
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And he looks over.
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And he sees this ball of energy just, like, bopping around.
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Who was the most fun celebrity that you dated?
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I feel like a lot of them were after you.
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They were.
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Yeah.
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Warren Beatty, right?
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Yes.
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Yep.
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He was pretty handsome.
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That s a charming guy.
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Everyone thinks he s so handsome.
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You don t?
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I don t know, because maybe I— What?
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No, maybe I see him now.
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I don t know what he looked like when he was super young, I guess.
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Oh, Google him.
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Warren Beatty was, uh... Warren Beatty s hot?
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Warren Beatty was the hottest.
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Yeah, but it seems like that he was with everyone.
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So?
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I know, I guess.
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Okay, let s see what he looks like young.
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Okay, he s cute.
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My publisher, my, my, my, my, my publicist over here is, she s going, she was with everyone.
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Oh.
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Yeah, he was Dick Tracy.
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He was Dick Tracy.
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He s pretty hot.
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Look at that.
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Come on.
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He s pretty hot.
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I feel like though he knows he s hot.
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Of course he does.
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Right.
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How can you not?
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Okay.
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So Warren Beatty was that one that you look back at and you re like, that was fun.
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Yeah.
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I would wake up at like four o clock in the morning and he wasn t, he wasn t around in the bed or anything.
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And I looked, I looked in the bathroom and he was like, just sitting there staring at himself going,
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That makes me like him even more, actually.
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He was staring in the mirror.
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That would be a turn off to some.
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I think that s even cooler.
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What the hell are you doing up at 4am staring at yourself?
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That s what you got to do if you re a warm baby.
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He s like naked, I bet, in the mirror, just looking at every ab.
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Yeah.
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That s a lot to take on for a girl, though.
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No, I didn t mind.
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You didn t mind?
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No.
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You got it?
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Yes.
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Who else was fun to go on a date with?
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Jack Nicholson.
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Oh, yeah.
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That s my favorite.
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He was fun.
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He was so fun.
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This is before he got bloated and put on weight, lost all his hair.
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Good personality, huh?
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Great.
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Who else was fun?
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Give us the juice.
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The juice on men.
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Well, it s all here in the book.
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It s all in the book.
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It s all in the book.
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Were you mostly attracted to guys that were just like fun and funny and outlandish?
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As you mentioned earlier, you were always with stand-up comics.
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I don t think she liked wallflowers.
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No, I liked somebody who had some punch, some fabric, like my husband.
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He s the smartest guy I ve ever met.
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He s always reading, which kind of bores me that he s always reading, but he s reading everything in the world.
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Everything.
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Him and Michael would get along.
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But don t you think that makes him more interesting because I guess he can conversate with all sorts of different things, not just a wallflower.
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Yes.
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If you were to describe Studio 54 to our generation, how would you describe it?
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What was so different and special about it?
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Because it s so iconic, everyone talks about it now, but you were really there, you were in it.
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It was eclectic.
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It wasn t your average
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Daddy, you know, you d see girls walk in with pimps and hoes and you d see just like top models with designers.
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You d see, you know, beautiful people with one another.
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Just beautiful people.
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It was a haven for, you know, hedonistic lifestyle.
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What about the models that you were surrounded by?
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Who were the people that you hung out with?
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Well, there was Iman Bowie.
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What s not to love about her?
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She seems fine.
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She was from Kenya, and she was always, this is mine.
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This is yours.
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How could you talk like this?
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She had this accent that was great.
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It was Kenyan.
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Maasai, Kenyan.
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She was great.
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All the models.
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I mean, I hung out with a girl named Bitten.
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I hung out with Gia Carangi.
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I hung out with Patty Hanson, Sean Casey, Pat Cleveland, Apollonia.
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What was that like when Gia went through everything that she went through?
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That seemed like it rocked your industry.
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Really sad.
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Yeah.
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Here s a girl that was just so incredibly beautiful.
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You don t even know how beautiful this girl was.
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There s a picture of her in this book somewhere.
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She looked like a baby Sophia Loren.
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I guess she never got the girlfriend that she wanted.
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She just took it out on herself as far as heroin goes.
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She d hit herself up before these shoots.
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And I was privy to watching it, and I would beg her to stop.
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And she would just laugh at me and pull out a switchblade and act like a little jerk.
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Heroin was prominent in that time?
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For some reason, I thought it was more cocaine.
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It was more cocaine, but it was prominent as well, too.
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You could find anything you want back then.
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How do you think that the modeling industry has changed
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from when you were in it to now?
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I think the designers are afraid today.
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They weren t afraid back in my day.
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They weren t afraid just to put out a sketch of design and have it out overnight and just see their designs like on the runway three days later.
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They really were prolific and pushing their ideas and their collections.
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What about the models now compared to when you guys had models?
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Is it similar?
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Different?
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I think the models are way different.
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You have a bunch of influencers out there today.
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Right.
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You have Paris Hilton.
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She s still an influencer.
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You have Gigi Hadid.
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You have, you know, Kris Jenner.
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Not Kris Jenner, Kendall Jenner.
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You have like all those, all those Jenners.
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Oh, the million of them.
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They stack up to what young girls must be bored.
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Young girls sitting at home, you know, like listening to Taylor Swift song music.
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Not that that s bad, because I think Taylor Swift is like friendly and upbeat and my daughter loved seeing her at concert.
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Oh, my God.
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People are obsessed.
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Yeah, that was a big thing in this office.
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People got obsessed.
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And what about Beyonce?
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She s like the same.
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Yeah.
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People are obsessed with her too.
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Yeah, people get obsessed with them.
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It s like a community.
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So when you look at the models now as influencers compared to when you guys were supermodels, the differences are a lot of them are influencers now, whereas you guys didn t have social media.
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We didn t have social media at all to save our lives.
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We barely, we barely had cell phones.
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So how did you become so known without the vehicle of social media looking back?
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Word of mouth.
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Yeah.
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Were you super professional on set or was it 100 percent?
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What did that look like?
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It looked like a great model showing up early like I did here.
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Yeah, I got worried when you got here today because Janice is here and it was like 45 minutes before.
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I was like, oh shit.
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No, but I didn t have my makeup on or anything.
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I wanted to get ready.
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Yeah, get ready.
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But I was worried because when they told me, I thought that, I was like, did we give her the wrong time?
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Did we mess up?
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No, no.
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You were super early.
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You re sweet.
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I like it.
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You re sweet.
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With America s Next Top Model 2, I feel like there was a different time where you could actually say it how it is.
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Now I feel like you can t do that.
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Oh, she was an editor.
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She was a great editor.
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The woman who did the show?
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Tyra Banks.
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Tyra Banks.
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Yes.
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Are you guys get along still?
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No.
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No.
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We didn t get along on the show.
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That was real.
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We didn t get along off the show.
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Why don t you get along?
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I don t know.
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What s not to love about me?
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I don t know.
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I mean, you seem pretty fun.
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I just met you and I like you.
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Yeah, thanks.
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I like your line.
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You re pretty cool.
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I thought that was fake for the show.
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that you guys didn t get along.
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I didn t realize in real life you actually don t get along.
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Oh, if you were to pay me a fee, a salary, you say, OK, your job is to be the protagonist.
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You re going to make me look good.
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By in any way, shape or form, your character has to dance around whatever I say, because my word is God.
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Out of all the stuff that you ve done, what is the favorite thing looking back?
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Because you ve had a lot of different career changes.
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On Top Model?
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Yeah.
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No, Top Model.
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Was it being a supermodel?
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Was it all of the stuff that you ve done?
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Being a writer?
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Everything, looking back on your whole career.
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Being on America s Next Top Model was, it was contagious.
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You know, I knew what I was talking about.
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I was the only person on the show that knew what they were talking about.
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The rest of the judges just, yes, tirade to death.
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And I would sit there and go, no, wrong contestant, wrong color of the skin, wrong.
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You need more diversity.
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You need more black girls.
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Could you say that?
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We need more, you know, Asian girls.
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We just need more to see what the world actually looks like and how it does exist in the modeling world.
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Well, what s so interesting that I think maybe you don t even know is you were almost diverse looking.
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You were so diverse looking when you started modeling.
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At that time.
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Yeah, everyone was blonde with blue eyes, right?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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So it s really evolved.
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Yes.
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It has.
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And now you see all these little girls, you know, even like, even the fill-ins for J-Lo, they all, they all have like exotic looks.
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And I look at that and I think, okay, I had a, I had, there was a part of my hand that participated in exotic girls making it to the forefront.
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Changing it.
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How did you as,
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When all of a sudden you kind of break into the scene, how did you start managing fame?
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Did you like it or was it something that you kind of pulled back from?
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Well, I was clever with my work because I was able to maintain working for a lot of money for several years.
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So I just knew I knew where the bread and butter was, you know, you don t mess with your vouchers You don t mess with your agents.
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You don t mess with You know, you re nice to your agents.
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You call them Call them several times a day and just say hey, fuck you.
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I love you, you know, or like whatever Whatever it is.
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How many fights have you and Susan gotten in?
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None.
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None?
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Wow.
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Zero.
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Is it true that the song Super Freak was written after you?
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Arielle, who s here, my photographer, vlogger, told me that that song was written after you.
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It was.
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She s a super freaky girl.
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How did that song get written?
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Like, looking back, knowing that the song was written after you, like, were there instances that you can think of?
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Well, yeah, because he was a hanger on at Studio 54 after the lights went out, and I was, like, there too.
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In fact, he got really mad at me because I called him Prince.
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I d go, yo, Prince, what up?
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Why do you—
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What do you mean, why d he get mad?
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He got mad.
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Yeah, of course he got mad.
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Queer Princess looked like a lot more talented.
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So how did you know the song was written after you?
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Did he, like, announce it?
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Oh, he told me.
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He told me, this one s for you.
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That s pretty cool.
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He called me Snake Woman.
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I mean, listen, that s pretty cool.
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Is it true, this is another rumor that we heard, that you almost were pretty woman?
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I was.
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Tell us that story.
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the julia roberts yes the julia roberts movie i was married at that time and uh i got the i got the casting from gary marshall s office and i i i knew what to wear to the casting office like hot pants and like midriff top and overblown overblown lipstick and overblown makeup i was studying acting pretty pretty diligently back in those days
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It was just at the last minute I caved because it was in front of just a bunch of handful of people and that s where I caved.
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I could never... The words of my father kept coming back to haunt me.
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You ll never make it.
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You re not good enough.
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I have that written down that he said that to you.
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I can t imagine a father... I mean, that is... He had his own demons.
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Oh, demon man.
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Yeah.
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100%.
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Did he, was he ever outed or caught or did anybody ever... I told a policeman about his activities when I was called out of a classroom because I had hit a little boy on a bicycle and I changed the accident because I was so afraid of my dad killing me for not being where I was supposed to be that night.
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And of course the little boy went home and told his mom what really happened.
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I knocked him over on the bike with my car.
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He wasn t injured.
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The bike was a little screwed up.
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My car was a little screwed up.
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But I said, can we recreate this?
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Recreate this accident somewhere else Please I ll give you all the money.
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I have my pocket I had like 30 bucks.
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You can have this 30 bucks and I ll get you a new bicycle.
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I promise He said okay.
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Okay, but like the next morning I Got to school my first class.
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There was this nice police officer Summoning me to the front door
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and I knew I was caught.
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So this led to a big...
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a big hullabaloo in my household.
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I told the policeman that I can t tell my father the truth about this.
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He ll just beat the shit out of me and I m tired of being beaten up all the time.
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I m beaten up as is.
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And I told him about my sister and he was like, you know, and I told him about how he came on to me early in my life, but I denied him.
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I just said, no, don t you touch me.
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Why are some kids stronger than other kids?
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They just are.
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So the policeman said, he went over to my house, and he had a long talk with my dad.
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And he said, if you ever touch this girl again, if I find out that she has a black mark on her arm, or she has a swollen lip, or she has like, you know, droplets of blood coming out of her elbow, you re going to jail.
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And that s what stopped him.
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Does your sister say that s what stopped him too?
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When she looks back on it?
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I don t think so.
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I don t think she remembers.
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She was out of the house by then.
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Yeah, it s a drag.
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Did you ever find out what was wrong with him?
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I mean, outside of like a lot of things, but do you ever figure out like what his childhood was like or what happened to him?
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Well, he grew up in West Texas on a farm, on a horse farm with two brothers that were always kicking him and beating him up.
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So I guess that spilled into my lovely introduction to the world.
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So those words that he said, I wrote them down because they were like so crazy.
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He said, you ll never amount to anything played in your head when you were getting cast for Pretty Woman.
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Yes.
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It s so crazy to me how stuff from your past and your history when you were little comes through into your adulthood.
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It s so crazy.
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It s amazing.
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It s amazing.
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I see it now with my two children.
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You know, I wasn t the sanest mother raising them.
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I was like lots of lively, my livelihood was modeling still, putting them through their classes and their childhood and their braces and their vacations and everything that has to do with being a single mom.
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I think I might have pushed my daughter too hard going to do theatrical, these theatrical little plays that they had back in the grade school.
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I think I might have pushed her too hard.
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She resents me for it.
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It s really hard once you become a parent, because you have empathy for your parents.
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And you re like, oh my God.
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And you constantly feel guilty, no matter what.
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And the problem with it is that there s no black and white to it.
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There s so much gray.
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Do you have kids?
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I have kids.
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You have a four-year-old and an almost two-year-old.
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You feel guilty if you leave.
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You feel guilty if you re there and you re not present.
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It does come with it.
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Yeah, I asked him the other day, do you feel guilty?
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No.
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No, men don t.
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I do.
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I don t know.
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But she gets mad if I don t.
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But I think it s like it s the dynamic you re raised with.
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You see, you know, we it s very recent that we ve kind of broken out of this traditional household.
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Right.
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And I know my upbringing, I would see my mom worked all the time.
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So it was a little different for me.
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And so I m attracted to very strong women and women that it was just that s my norm.
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But I know a lot of guys
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that are in more traditional households, and that s a little bit of a mindfuck for them to kind of wrap their head around, you know, maybe being with someone who s got a career and something different.
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But anyways, I never, you know, people ask her, do you have a nanny?
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They never asked me if I have a nanny.
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We work at the same time.
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I don t feel guilty for having a nanny.
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It s just like a norm.
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You need it.
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Yeah, I need it.
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But I see sometimes she will feel guilty for... Oh, honey, let that go.
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Yeah.
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You know, I say let go all these guilts that swarm your brain at night.
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When you re at work and you re not with your kids, when you re at home with your kids, you re thinking about your work.
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It s a conundrum.
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It s a conundrum of a bubble that if you just
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It ll make you tap your feet.
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It just, it can manifest in ways that can give you severe depression.
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Yeah.
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If you don t watch yourself.
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How do you let stuff go?
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You just... You go see a good therapist.
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Yeah.
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You see a good, get a good therapist.
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I married a shrink.
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Oh, that s efficient.
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Yeah, but he never shrinks me.
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Tell him to shrink you.
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Shrink me!
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Yeah, I would tell him to shrink me.
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Shrink me, motherfucker.
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I bet he s a great shrink.
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He was.
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He s retired.
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He was like the shrink to the stars.
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Maybe I should interview him.
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You should.
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I bet he s interesting.
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That s right.
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I have been cooking in the kitchen.
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I ve been using all kinds of things, OK?
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And I have been cooking eggs every single morning for my kids.
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You talk about Bill Cosby in your book, and you ve been outspoken about Bill Cosby, which I think is incredible for all the women that went through him.
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You ve been, to me, you ve been like a crusader.
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What is your temperature on what s going on with him right now?
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Well, I m furious that he didn t get what was really due him.
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He got off early due to a technicality.
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And like that technicality is a big bank account.
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So he s out of prison?
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Yeah.
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I had a separate civil lawsuit with him, which I made out handsomely.
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For you to speak out on that, against that powerful of a man, is really incredible.
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And it probably freed up other people to come forward.
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But he didn t scare me.
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He didn t scare me.
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I mean, he was in the courtroom.
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And, you know, I just remember going,
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Ha, ha, ha, who s laughing now?
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Ha, ha, I ve got the final laugh because I can say it.
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Ha, ha, ha. 
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And he was like, he was all flustered because he was pretending to be blind in the courtroom.
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What?
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I didn t know that.
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And how old were you when all this happened with him?
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Oh, when it first happened.
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I was in my 20s.
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And did you think you were just going to hang out with him?
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Yeah.
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I thought he was going to offer me a role on his television show.
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So he was basically doing the same thing Harvey Weinstein was doing.
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Yes.
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And he was slipping people stuff in their drink.
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Absolutely.
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A hundred percent.
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And you know what s interesting about him is all the stories that all the women tell are the same stories.
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It s probably the same routine.
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Yeah, he did the same routine.
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And it must have been like we re hypno or GHB or something he was putting in these people s drink.
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This is a blue pill, remember.
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You remember.
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Mm-hmm.
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So when you left his house, were you like, did you understand at that age what happened?
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Or did it take you a while to process?
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I was so happy to be out and being recognized for something other than being rules for a supermodel.
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I was happy to see that I did have a comedic side to me and that I could possibly break into the world of comedy.
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I think anything s possible.
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I could probably still do it.
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Is one of the hard things about modeling is sometimes people only look at the visual aspect and they don t look at the person beneath?
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Is that one of the difficulties I d imagine?
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Yeah, it can kill a lot of people.
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The visual aspects, you know, once your face goes and like the skin isn t as perfect as hers, you know, and it s like the skin goes and it s like, you know, be grateful for what you have.
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I mean, I look back at pictures of myself now when I was your age and I go, wow.
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God, and I thought then, even then, back then, that I wasn t enough.
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I mean, more so like that and when you re in your prime in modeling, it s like people are just looking at you as a model and they re not listening to maybe what you think or what you have to say.
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I think people did listen to me.
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I made them.
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Yeah, it s kind of different.
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It s different with you.
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I made them listen because I was doing talk shows.
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People would call me all the time for advice and I always took that amount of time to answer somebody if they had a question about modeling or whatever.
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I liked helping people.
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Everything that you experienced when you were young, I think it s also even gnarlier now because of social media.
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And you don t even know if what you re looking at is real.
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So, I think people, like now I heard just the other day, like 30-year-olds are getting facelifts, like lower facelifts and necklifts.
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I mean, I hear this all the time.
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It s just everything is like sped up even gnarlier.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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This is gonna fall and fall and fall and you have to keep doing it.
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I thought it s one and done.
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It s not one and done.
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Okay.
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Gravity is not your friend, my dear.
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You have to work your body every day.
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You have to go on hikes.
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You have to balance it out with great food.
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You know, you can t overeat.
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You can t overdrink.
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What was your epiphany to get sober?
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Oh, I was letting myself down on a daily basis when I was drinking, because I couldn t say no to that, like, first glass of champagne, and I couldn t say no to the last one.
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Vicious circle.
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When you decided to do Celebrity Rehab, were you sober, getting sober?
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Did you relapse after it?
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What did the trajectory of that look like?
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When I did Celebrity Rehab, I was addicted to Ambien pills.
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Oh, wow.
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Sleeping pills.
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See, I had to have an Ambien pill at night to sleep, and I knew that that was wrong because your whole sleep cycle s messed up if you don t have a sleeping pill right before you go to bed 20 minutes later.
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And on top of it, you wake up in the morning and you re still hungover from the night before.
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Can t you wake up also in the middle of the night and sleepwalk?
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Does that happen on that?
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Sometimes.
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Yeah.
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When you went into celebrity rehab, it was Ambien, not alcohol.
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So was alcohol before that?
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Alcohol was way before that, but I had gotten a handle on that.
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I didn t realize it was Ambien.
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I think that that s not talked about enough, Ambien addiction.
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Oh, it s killer.
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It makes you just, it could turn you into a monster.
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And I imagine the way you feel in the morning, like you said, hungover, groggy, fatigued.
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It s like a trazodone funk.
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Yeah.
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It s, you could just be, just be like so out of it.
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Like, no matter how many cups of coffee, you can t wake up from it.
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And it s like driving it, driving on the 405 to school, you know, lights not out yet.
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not quite daylight yet and I was looking at the lights and they re hurting my eyes.
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People need to talk about that more.
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I think that that s a big addiction that s not talked about.
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I haven t heard a lot of people talk about it.
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Bring it up.
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Lots.
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I will.
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Well, I think there was a period of time when it started getting talked about briefly because there was a, something happened with a celebrity where they got up and like either went and did a bunch of racial slurs or like went on a rant.
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Well, maybe they blamed Ambien.
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They might have blamed Ambien.
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Ambient haze.
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Yeah, that s what I called it.
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They like went into a rage on it What was your experience like on celebrity rehab?
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Did you like it?
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I?
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Was afraid I was afraid that this might not have been the best choice for me of doing TV shows Because it was very raw.
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Yeah, you know and when dr. Drew who s a nice guy He s been on here.
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Yeah
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He s a nice man, and he knows what he s talking about.
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Bob Forrest is a saint.
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You know Bob?
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Yeah.
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He s a good dude.
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He s a good dude.
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Yeah.
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They both stroke each other s ego in ways.
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Bob!
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Cruel!
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Oh, Roseanne Barr.
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Yeah, Roseanne, yeah, that s what happened.
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She blamed a series of racist tweets on Ambien, which maybe it s true, maybe it s not.
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But when you reflect now back on Celebrity Rehab, are you glad you did it or no?
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I m grateful that I was given the opportunity to just survive one more day.
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I think the reason that that show was so crazy, because to your point, it was so raw.
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Like there was I mean, people were really struggling on that show.
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And I think that I don t know if a show like that can exist anymore because you had.
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No.
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I mean, with all the things we re talking about, I mean, like, you really saw people going through it.
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I mean, can you imagine taking me off everything and just giving me Trazodone to sleep with?
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Ludicrous.
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It is.
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It s like, here, let me replace this with this.
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I need cocktails of meds.
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I m on, I m on, I m on a good cocktail of meds.
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And you feel good.
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You look amazing.
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Thanks.
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Some days, some days, what s happening later, lately, is I can t sleep.
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Although I take sleep medication.
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I can t sleep.
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I m opening my eyes at like 2 or 3 in the morning and I can t go back to sleep.
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It s crazy.
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That happens to me if I drink alcohol.
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I wake up in the middle of the night.
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I feel like, you know what, the best thing for sleep, this is really weird, that s helped me so much is yoga nidra.
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I m going to send you the link.
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NSDR deep sleep.
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Yeah, and I put it on and I am asleep in 10 minutes and I stay asleep.
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It s like, it does something to your brain.
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Yeah.
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I m going to send you guys the link.
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I doubt anything could do anything to my brain at this point.
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SPEAKER_02
What about the shrink husband?
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He can t do anything to my brain.
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SPEAKER_01
He can t do anything.
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What are your best?
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Yes, he can.
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, quickly, before we get off this, for some reason I remember you in a jungle or something.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yes.
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I m a celebrity.
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Get me out of here.
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Yes, I just recently did that last September in Johannesburg.
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You did it again.
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Yeah.
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What was that like?
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Well, I had to leave the show early because in the middle of the night I fell down flat on my face, like really horrible to look at.
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You did it twice, right?
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I did it three times.
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You did it three times.
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Did you have to eat bugs?
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This time I ate a couple.
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Oh.
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The first time I was like, fuck you.
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Is that the worst part?
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The eating of the bugs?
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Besides falling?
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Cow vaginas.
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Oh, come on.
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Oh, yeah.
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They gave you cow vagina?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, they gave us radical stuff to eat, like gonads of goats and like... What s the grossest?
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The gonads.
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With the hair still on them.
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Eat hairy balls.
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Eat hairy balls?
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Yeah, how do you think I feel?
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You want to eat hairy balls?
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I sure don t.
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Yeah.
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You two are darling.
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That s something I ve managed to avoid in my years.
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I think I ll stick to that path.
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I mean, I might send you on that show.
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You go eat hairy balls.
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I m not going to lie.
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I wouldn t do good on that show.
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You two are so cute.
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So cute.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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It s a lot of work.
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Tells how much day you get us on.
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Yeah.
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So it s like that with every couple.
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Yeah.
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Beauty tips.
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You re the one to ask.
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What are the beauty tips that you have been using that you know from your supermodel days that are the best of the best, the creme de la creme?
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You can t go wrong.
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Water.
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Water?
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You just can t get enough of water.
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SPEAKER_02
I can t get enough of water, and I live for Dr. Lancer s vitamin C treatment.
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Oh, I gotta try that.
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Oh, it s like putting baby powder on your face.
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Is it a treatment you do at home or you go in?
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No, it s a treatment you do at home.
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Okay.
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You wash your face with the products.
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I mean, I swear by this guy.
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Is that your go-to, like, for derm?
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I need to go to him.
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Everyone loves him.
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He s a snot nose, but he s a good snot nose.
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He s a good snot nose.
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He s really smart.
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Yeah, he is smart.
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He s sharp.
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He s been on the show.
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He s been on the show.
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We should go in and see him, though.
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He won t give you any discounts.
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This is so good.
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This is the kind of guy who doesn t need to.
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But you know what?
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I like that.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like, despise the free lunch.
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A friend of ours, author Robert Greene, he wrote this book.
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In the book he says, despise the free lunch.
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There s nothing for free.
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You always got to, there s some price to pay, even if they give you a discount, you know?
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I d rather just know what i m getting.
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SPEAKER_02
What may I ask you the same question because you re so beautiful your skin is just like Moist as it is it gets The trick to my skin is I am militant about my skincare routine Militant, I do not go to the sun.
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I wash I wash my face double cleanse every night.
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I
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I put colostrum serum.
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I ll send you the exact- Show her the book that you wrote over there.
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SPEAKER_00
I wrote a book on skincare.
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Look at the title.
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I have one for her.
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Look at the title.
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Get the fuck out of the sun.
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I will read this.
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Thank you.
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But the trick, I m gonna send you my exact routine, but it s it s basically
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A lot of vitamin C, colostrum serum, Korean skincare toner, a double cleanse, and then I get IPL laser for any red lasers.
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Does she do a lot of lymphatic stuff?
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Lymphatic drainage.
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Another thing I do every single day is facial massage.
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I think that s the key.
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You do it yourself?
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Uh-huh.
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I lift my eyebrows manually.
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I lift my cheeks.
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I lift my jaw.
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I drain my face.
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I brought you an ice roller.
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Aww.
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Yeah.
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I ll give it to you soon.
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Lot of ice.
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A lot of ice on my face.
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Don t models used to, back in the day, stick your face... Oh, I did.
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In the bathtubs.
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Yeah.
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Ice is amazing in the morning.
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Ice is amazing.
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
And then I just got a salmon semen facial, which I really think worked.
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SPEAKER_01
From who?
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I live in Austin.
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SPEAKER_01
So it s a girl in Austin.
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Her name s Jamie.
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She s a Korean facialist.
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But you could get it anywhere.
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It s exosomes.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I used... I told her I would have given her one for free.
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Then you have to go pay for it.
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Zing!
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So cute.
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So cute.
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So cute.
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Blob.
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You ve heard worse, Janice.
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SPEAKER_00
You ve heard worse.
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SPEAKER_02
I use what Leonardo DiCaprio uses from Dr. Lancer.
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He has a sheep urine.
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SPEAKER_00
Sheep urine?
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Sheep urine.
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That s the first I ve heard of.
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I knew you would have a tip like that.
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That s what I want to hear.
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What s the sheep urine?
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It s sheep urine.
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Perfect.
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In a tube.
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And you put it on your face.
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And what does it do?
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Smooths it out?
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Something to do with the biogenetic makeup of your skin.
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I imagine sometimes the listeners of the show writing stuff, practical things down, like, okay, sheep urine, okay, lost me at sheep urine.
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I don t care if I lose you, I m still kicking.
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Yeah, and honestly, if sheep urine works, I will eat shit for beauty.
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I will.
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You know what?
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If it works, it works, Michael.
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I love her.
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I love her.
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Lancer, what have you been with that sheep urine?
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Whatever it has to work.
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Before you married your husband, you wrote, check please.
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What is your opinion on dating in 2024?
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We have a lot of friends that are struggling because of the swipe, swipe, swipe.
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SPEAKER_02
My daughter is 29 and I see her going through dumb changes.
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I just think it s, it s pathetic that people go on these websites to try to get dick.
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It s lazy.
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Yeah.
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It s like so lame.
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It s... I m not saying she s lame.
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She s not lame at all, my daughter.
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It s lazy for the guy.
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He s lazy for everybody.
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No, but the guy is like, I feel like the guy banks him.
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You know what I mean?
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He just swipes on everything.
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I saw this machine that just swipes your phone.
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SPEAKER_01
The guy just swipes on their phone with this machine.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, but the problem is if you give any human being endless optionality in anything, then it just stops you from being able to focus on anything.
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Like give a kid eight toys and see what happens.
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Give them one toy and see what happens.
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Play with one.
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Yeah, give them eight, they don t, you know, they don t know what to do.
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But no, I think
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I personally miss the whole dating app thing because Lauren and I got together young, like right before a lot of that stuff came out.
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My, what I used to have to do is actually go and walk up to people and start a conversation.
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And at the most, maybe you can talk to two or three people.
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I always talk about this.
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And so like, you really had to, you know, stick with it.
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If somebody showed any kind of interest, I m like, that s the one, you know, I got to stick with it.
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But I see now.
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Did you know she was the one?
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Her?
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Yeah.
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When we were 12 years old.
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SPEAKER_00
That s true.
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I met him at 12.
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But I have not been together with him that long.
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I think like there s a misconception that we ve been together that long.
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We met at 12.
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We got together at 21.
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20.
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Yeah.
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20.
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OK.
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Sorry.
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You know, but anyways, but I see men and women in our lives that are in those worlds and they really are, a lot of them struggle to find meaningful relationships.
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They date a lot.
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Like there s no, there s no lack of dating frequency, but there s a, there s not a lot of longterm meaningful relationship.
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And I think it s just because it s easy to throw something away if you know there s 18 swipes waiting for you.
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I mean, due to the advent of the computer and the cell phone,
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I mean, our days of yesteryear were we were we were Broncos.
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We just galloped.
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You know, let s go.
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Let s go to this place now.
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Get the horses out.
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We were just renegades that just went through it all with more fun, more fun.
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I wanted to ask you.
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You are a real outlier when it comes to talking about plastic surgery.
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Nicole Kidman, what s going on there?
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She s ultra skinny.
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She s just she s she s taken her dietary habits way too far and to the left or to the right, wherever.
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The fat on your face will go get withdrawn.
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You look older.
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Yeah.
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I think the world of her acting, I think the world of her as a woman and what she s survived.
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Do you wish people were more outspoken about plastic surgery?
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I don t give a rat s ass about plastic surgery.
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I don t.
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There s just so many people that just act like it s nothing, like it s just natural.
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You mean Kardashian, the mother of Kardashian?
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Tons of them.
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Blood facials and stuff?
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Yeah, everyone just acts like it s like a laser.
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And it s like not.
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I think it s cool that you came out because you wrote this book.
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This book was written like, I want to say, what, 10 years ago?
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Yeah, 10 years ago, and you came out and said that you did all these things.
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You were really, definitely an outlier.
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My publisher hated me.
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And if you guys haven t read her books, you are missing out.
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Before you met your husband, how did you meet him?
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What is your life like now?
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What is Janice Dickinson s life like right now?
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Oh God, there s so much going on in my life, girl.
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You re busy.
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I met my husband on a blind date at the Chateau Marmont.
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Okay, I met his son previously.
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That s how I got to meet him at the Abbey.
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So I was about to throw down some serious joy juice and pounds of cocaine, whatever it was I was about to do.
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Not a gram, give me a pound.
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There was an instant attraction between my husband and I when I met him.
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You know, he was so shy and I was so,
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wanting to be liked and I didn t think he would like me because there it goes again.
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Not good enough, not good enough for your average bear.
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That stuck with me even up until when I was meeting him and he just told me no.
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Even after all of your accomplishments and everything you did that stuck with you that long?
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Wow.
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It s crazy how much damage something can do at such a young age.
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Damaging.
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Damaging to a child what you say to a child how you say it The tone of your voice can be brutal on a young child you know if you re like You gotta be really careful how you dress a child So when you met on the blind date, did you like him right away?
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I loved him He wore a three-piece linen suit in the in like the hottest day of like the year
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He was just, he had a hat, he had an overcoat.
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I was like, where are you going?
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You look like Humphrey Bogart, you know, in one of Humphrey s films.
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And I was like dressed up like the biggest slut on the planet.
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I had this slut dress down to here.
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So all the, everything was drawn towards here with the tape, with the tape.
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With the extensions, this is all real hair.
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Wow.
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But the extensions were like... You have really good hair.
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Yeah, what is that hair?
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Quieten.
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Wow.
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You too can have it.
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I just saw him and we just saw each other and the room shrank.
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We just started talking and everyone else seemed like they didn t have any meaning to be in our direct pathways of speaking.
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It was like the strangest thing ever.
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Were men intimidated by you before you went on a date with him?
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Of course.
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So he wasn t intimidated, it sounds like.
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He didn t know who I was.
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No, he didn t.
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He got a rundown, but he really was a very busy man.
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Clients depended on him for their lives.
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He took care of the mechanics of the brain for people.
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Gosh, I want to interview him.
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He sounds smart.
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He s so brilliant.
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Outside of, obviously, your beauty and your looks, why do you think so many men were intimidated by you?
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Is it because you were also so outspoken?
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Or do you think it was just the model?
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What do you suspect?
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Just confidence.
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Confidence wears on a man if they re not confident themselves.
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We see that a lot.
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They ll marry a really confident, dominant women thinking that they like it.
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And then after a while, like you said, yeah, it starts to make the penis limp.
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It does.
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Yeah.
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I don t know why that is.
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See, I never yes.
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I never turned around and swallowed my pride or yes to anyone just to hear my own brain rattle.
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No, I can t do that.
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I think that it takes a very specific kind of man to handle a woman who is on her own trajectory and beats to the tune of her own drum.
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I think it s a very specific kind of man and I think it has a lot to do with the kind of mother they had.
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Because if they were babied and they re still attached to the umbilical cord, then
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I tell Lauren all the time.
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They want validation.
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So my mom s half Japanese.
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You wouldn t know anything looking at me because I m a quarter, but my mom s half and she s a ball buster and she s tough.
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She used to play polo with men.
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She was the only woman on the field against men.
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That s fantastic.
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That s cool.
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Anyways, what I got from it is, I always knew that my mother loved me and I always felt supported, but I wasn t babied.
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And it was like, okay, good.
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Like if I did something, she s like, good job.
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But what I tell Lauren all the time is some of my guy friends whose mothers have babied them endlessly, even well into their thirties.
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It s like, you know, you see those guys that have that relationship, not knocking it, but in my opinion, those are the guys that struggled the most when it comes to dating outspoken women.
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Because I don t think they re used to that kind of dynamic.
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They re used to, they can do no wrong dynamic.
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Where I step out of line for one second, but I m normal.
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I baby my one-year-old son, he goes, don t baby him.
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I m like, he s a baby.
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So don t baby him.
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I say, well, let him fall down, toughen him up a bit.
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Because I m telling you, I think it s important, especially in the world.
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Don t soften him up too much.
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Anyways, I think it s good.
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I see a lot of... That must have been really interesting with Japanese culture.
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Well, I was trying to, I always, I mean, because I think, again, people don t look at me and think that that culture would, but my grandma who just passed, God rest her soul, she, she was a full Japanese woman, like, you know, moved from Japan here.
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He doesn t leave towels on the floor.
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She was very, like, Japanese culture is like, I was told, there was no, in my household, like, good effort.
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It was like, was it right or was it not right?
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Did you do, did you do it or did you not do it?
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sometimes people are like, oh, how do you deal with that?
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You know, do you need those words out?
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And actually looking back, I appreciate that, right?
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It was like, it was kind of like, you know, there s a right and wrong way to do things.
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It was you get held to a higher standard.
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You re a pretty smart guy.
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Oh, that s nice.
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I appreciate that compliment.
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You sound really
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On a deeper level, you sound really smart.
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Well, thank you, Janice.
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He s going to take that and frame it.
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But no, I think... Put it on audio over Pete and his yoga nidra at night.
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I look back on some things that were maybe... Janice Dickenton told me I was smart.
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...uncomfortable from my childhood, but I appreciate them now because I think it gives you tools to deal with adult life.
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Does that make sense?
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Yes.
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But what he s saying is that it take, I think it would be hard for you to find a man that can be comfortable with being married to you.
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Oh, I waited 50 fucking years.
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I think it would be impossible for you to find a man that s not confident.
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I waited.
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Yeah.
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I mean, and you know what?
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It sounds like your husband s quietly confident.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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It s the best.
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That s the best.
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And probably the mind games and stuff won t work on a guy like that.
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What s quite marvelous is that we can go for hours and not say a word to each other.
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Yep.
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Which is just bliss.
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Ugh.
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From your average day, you want to turn things off and just...
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I could use a remote.
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Speaking of strong women, I have a business partner, and she always used to give me this acronym, and it was WAIT.
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It was why am I talking?
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And that s what she would always say.
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And I think about that all the time.
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And you should think about it in marriage.
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Sometimes silence is the best.
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You break his balls.
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Oh my God.
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They re broken and smashed and thrown to the curb.
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I m like, I m a celebrity, get me out of here.
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She would have to take a gorgeous woman to break your balls.
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Well, I don t want to be mean, but I m not trying to do that with an ugly woman.
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So what is your life like now?
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I m working on music.
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Tell us all about it.
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I ve just completed an EP that was released New Year s Day that is the number one dance album on iTunes.
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And I m 68 and it s like I just get up and I ve done like all these songs and I ve got another one coming out and I perform for the gays and they love it.
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I get all glammed out, like super glammed out.
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You know, and singing and having an audience and
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That is pretty crazy that you are 68 years old and you have a number one dance song.
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Thank you.
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I mean, that s inspiring.
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I mean, they just told me today.
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So did you go into this wanting to do something that was number one or did you just want to do something fun?
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No, I just wanted to have fun.
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Girls just want to have fun.
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Girls just want to have fun.
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I think that what s so inspiring to me about you is that you ve sort of written every single chapter of your life on your own terms and you ve done it your own way.
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I think it s cool.
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But I do need another book.
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I m going to get on that.
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But you know what?
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I would self-publish.
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We ve had a lot of people come on the show recently.
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a lot of prolific authors that have gone the route, like Steven Pressfield for example, he s a great author, he just self-publishes all his books.
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David Goggins self-published his book and did like... He s made multiple millions of dollars.
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From self-publishing.
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You should self-publish.
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I mean, I think you should do like a...
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What I ve learned throughout all the chapters of your life a lot of the publishers my age that like wants to keep Reinventing themselves as a woman like I ll talk about all the chapters with juice too.
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We need the juice.
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You need the heat We need the heat you need to bring we need here here about the meat and potatoes on McJagger.
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We need the heat
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You guys will have to watch the YouTube to see what she just did.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, well, listen, you can t have it all.
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I mean, well, he has a big mouth.
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And a big personality and a big voice.
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Can you imagine dating this guy?
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I mean, just like, you know, going to his concerts and just like sitting there waiting for him.
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No, we can t imagine.
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That s why we want every speck of detail.
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This heartbeat of like a bass drum in your heart keeps beating like a big bass drum.
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It s unbelievable.
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What is the most surreal experience you ve had in your life?
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That.
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That one.
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Going on the road with Rolling Stones.
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Yeah, there s probably nothing bigger than that, huh?
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No.
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How many girls are throwing themselves at the Rolling Stones?
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Probably millions.
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So when you re with him, what kind of jealousy was that?
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Oh, I just looked the other way.
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You just look the other way.
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You can t even... I mean, what are you supposed to do?
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Let it get in your ether.
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And you kind of have to let, it s almost like you have to let him do what he wants to do too, right?
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Sort of.
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But I imagine that s also where some of these guys get intimidated.
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But I m not ugly to look at.
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No, you re not ugly to look at.
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And you re, I mean, also, like, I feel like you re the whole package.
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You re fun, you re smart, you can write, you can sing.
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I mean, what more does he want?
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I think I m the full package too, by the way, just so you know that.
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I know you do.
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You re the bride at every wedding and corpse at every funeral.
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That s her, right?
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That s funny.
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We just took our kids to PAW Patrol Live.
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You know, PAW Patrol, the little, I don t know if you know it.
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No, she doesn t know what PAW Patrol is.
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It s for four year olds.
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It s for two year olds.
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And they go at the end of the show and they re like, let s see who the stars, the real stars of the show.
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And they start panning over to all the kids.
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And I look on the screen and my wife s up there.
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I m like, no, it s not for you.
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It s for the three year olds, for the four year olds.
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That s adorbs.
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Janice Dickinson, I have, like I said, wanted you on the show for seven years.
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Thank you so much.
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Please come back on the show when you write your next book.
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I will.
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Or when you have your next EP, your next music go live and be number one.
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You re welcome anytime.
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Thank you very much.
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There s a hundred things I could have asked you.
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I d love to have your husband on.
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Where can everyone find, download your song?
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Where can they find your books?
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iTunes okay, and you guys This is on my blog skinny confidential 10 years ago, but you can you can google the skinny confidential
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No lifeguard on duty.
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It s on my book, my book club list.
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Everything about me is fake and I m perfect and check please.
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Thank you.
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Like you could get one person to follow me.
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That would be good.
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Go follow her.
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I think we ll get more than one.
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At Janice Dickinson on Instagram.
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You re funny too on TikTok.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Would you like those TikToks where I m judging people s walks?
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Yeah, it s funny.
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It s funny.
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Don t judge my walk.
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I don t know about how I walk.
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You re a loud walker, Lauren.
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Yeah, I don t know that I have the model walk.
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You re never going to sneak up on anyone, that s for sure.
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Maybe do a book on how to walk.
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A catwalk.
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Janice Dickinson, thank you for coming on the show.
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Thank you very much, you guys.
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I appreciate it, Michael.
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Thank you.
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Janice, you re a legend.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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