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Okay, Jim, James Gap again.
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He has 28 kids and lives in a one bedroom
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Remember we asked him about that?
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And he s like, that s old.
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He had seven kids and a two bedroom apartment.
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I go, why is this on your Wikipedia?
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You gotta change this stuff.
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He s a funny guy though.
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A lot of kids, a lot of standup, very funny.
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A lot of huge specials.
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A lot of Grammy nominations.
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He really churns out those specials.
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That s hard to do.
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Dude, I m gonna tape one.
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at the end of the year, I think, and I m like, if I tape one and start from scratch, it s so hard, these guys that do it.
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It s so hard.
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Just call it David Spade stories and just collect meter maids that hassled you or waitresses.
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Yeah, I mean, really, David Spade meandering.
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How about musings?
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That way they can t get mad.
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Yeah, I love anything that ends with, well, then they can t get mad.
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Yeah, smiles and nods.
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Who are they?
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Who cares if they re mad?
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How about David Spade, smile and nod along.
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No laughter though, just like.
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Here s the title of my new special, Dana Carvey is David Spade.
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Oh, that s not bad.
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You get double algo.
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Well, I do different makeup.
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I look like you, and I come out, I do it as you.
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I know.
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Everyone s like, are you guys the same person?
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Shut up.
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Hey, full disclosure.
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All right.
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Gray can cut this part.
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Back to who you re about to listen to.
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Jim Gaffigan is so funny and he really breaks down how he does this.
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Breaks down is my favorite phrase.
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And he is someone who can, back to your point, kind of take two months, go back and forth to the Tonight Club, tape it, listen to it, and meticulously fix anything that s not working.
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So he s like Jerry Seinfeld in that way.
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Highly disciplined.
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Yeah, he s a wordsmith.
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I mean, you know, I don t know if we talked about this.
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He went on the road to Europe and said, I m gonna write a whole special just about different countries.
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And he would go to cities and just talk about their city.
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It s so hard to do.
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It s so much of a challenge.
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Things like that are not in my playbook right at this moment.
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They will be.
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Well, I ve booked a ticket for you to go to, you go to Brussels, you take the train to Munich, the time you get to Florence.
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I already have 10 minutes right there.
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Yeah.
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They talk funny, that s the name of it.
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Buzz by Bangladesh, get a few minutes of material, every country.
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But Jim, anyway, in all seriousness, Dana, Jim, I saw him in Unfrosted, which is what he s talking about here, the Unfrosted Pop-Tart movie, Seinfeld s movie.
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I thought he did a great job, he has a huge part in it.
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He was hilarious in Unfrosted.
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He was consistently incredibly funny in that movie.
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Yeah, I have to say, I cracked up at Unfrosted.
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It was great casting.
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Yeah, great casting, tons of cameos.
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We ll talk about that with Jerry when he comes on.
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But here is Jim, a very sweet guy and a very hardworking guy.
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And one of our great standup comedians of the last many years.
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Hey, honey, Jim Gaffigan s on.
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Alert the house.
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No, no, the comedian.
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Oh.
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Oh, sorry.
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It s so, I hope your wife is excited as I am.
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You re excited.
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I am excited.
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You re excited.
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I am excited.
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Are you on a podcast press tour right now?
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Remember in the olden days, you d sit in a chair and like, channel two from Minneapolis.
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Yeah.
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But now it s just like- No, I think this is the only one I m doing, I m pretty sure.
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I love this.
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Because you guys are special.
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Well, it s- Because there are so many, right?
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Yeah.
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And you can get swallowed up by all of them.
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They suck.
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My only goal.
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is for you, Jim, to not be bored on this podcast.
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Because they can get really tedious if they re totally autobiographical.
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Tell me about it.
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I m excited to be here.
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Thank you for having me.
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My goal is to get Jim to say the F word within four minutes.
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That s not gonna fucking happen, buddy.
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Wait, that s great.
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Hey, wait a minute, Jim.
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This leads me to a question.
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Go ahead, Jim.
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What is so weird?
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Well, I mean, this might ve been what David was gonna, because you know, sometimes I ll be hanging out with comics and they ll, we ll be at some green room and they ll curse and they ll turn to me and they ll go, I m so sorry for cursing in front of you.
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Like I m some youth minister and I m like, just because I don t curse in my act.
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I mean, Dana, you don t curse, do you, in your act, really?
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A little bit, you know.
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I m telling Jesus.
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The guy who gets in my head sometimes is Jerry because he has these, him and Leno have these philosophies about stand up.
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And Jerry s, one of his is like, if you can find a way to get the same laugh without the word fuck on certain punchlines,
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And there s bits I ve tried all these different things and just never gets the same laugh.
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But that is kind of... I like if someone... When I watch you, I don t think this is a clean comic.
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Never even occurred to me.
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Never even thought of it.
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It s just a guy doing funny shit.
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So I think swear words can be really abused and used, especially in nightclubs.
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I see young comedians, audiences boozed up if you just hit those all the time.
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So I don t even think about you as a clean comic.
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Seriously, when I watch you, because I feel the bits are actually really sophisticated because I know how hard it is to write
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Line after line, you have that skill set or that discipline to, I m going to talk about this thing for five minutes and rotate it like Robert Klein, Seinfeld, Cosby, pre that counterpoint.
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Oh,
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But is that still in your head at all?
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Like he s the clean guy.
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He s like a minister.
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He s not, he has no edge.
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He doesn t say anything.
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Is that what kind of bugs you or what?
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I didn t read that.
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No, I mean, it s, but it doesn t, it doesn t bother me.
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There probably was a couple of years ago where it was, I mean, you know, it s just,
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if there s an article about you, that s the adjective that I would get when, you know, comedians just want funny, you know what I mean?
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Like, that s the only thing you want, right?
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That s the only adjective you want.
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Instead of leading with clean, they lead with, instead of leading with funny, they go, well, if you want to see him, he s definitely clean.
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You re like, well, we can jump to funny whenever you re ready.
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Yeah, well, it s like and family friendly is another backhanded compliment in a way for that means county fair kind of means a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it s the whole thing about clean.
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It s like no one s we don t live in a society filled with so much cursing that people are like, I m going to actually pay $30 to go hear someone not curse.
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Like that would be a weird world.
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Amazing.
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He doesn t curse.
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Well, there s some money in, first of all, you re hilarious.
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And, um,
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Dana, I will hit Jim up here and there.
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He s got more awards than Captain Kirk in Star Trek.
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Six Grammy Awards, seven nominated for voiceover.
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So yeah, you do have that, massive awards as well.
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Thank you, that s great.
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I have one Emmy, whoops.
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That s cool.
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Are you up for six Grammys?
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Is that possible?
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No, I was nominated, but, uh, for six Grammys, but that s great.
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Yeah, no, I mean, it is.
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It s strange.
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The whole awards thing.
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Right.
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I, I just think that it means that people still recognize your name.
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Right.
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Uh, that s where the nominations come in, but I don t have, or I haven t done.
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In this age of Chappelle, I don t have an expectation of ever winning any awards ever.
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It s Chappelle s world.
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We just.
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Well, there s there s.
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Yeah, I mean, I got important comedy and there s stuff that I do.
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So there s sometimes if it s just like if you don t have a super angle.
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or your con or your special isn t in front of no audience or something very offbeat.
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It s tough to get attention for just being funny.
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And there s something you said, guys like you churn out so much money in so many crowds and just grind it.
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And I tried to do, I can t feel what you feel.
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I mean, Dana and I were just talking about it.
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You go out and do a place I do, but you do it for five nights and it s, it s, it s such a hard thing to do.
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And it s such a hard to build a crowd.
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And then you do,
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a special and then a tour than a special and to keep churning out specials is so to throw away an hour is so hard to me.
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Is it?
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Is it hard?
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I m trying to get to a question, but I m just saying you can answer that.
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I mean.
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Keeping it clean is hard, but you re used to it.
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So a special.
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Yeah.
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How long does it take you?
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Let s start with that.
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It, it varies.
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I mean, it s, I mean, it s also changed so much, right?
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The, it used to be, you would do one special and then that would be kind of what, what a comedian would do except for Carlin.
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Right.
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It would just be, um, so it s, but I think that now we re in this age where.
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You can, uh, people can, people do consume so much stand up, but to answer your question, I don t know.
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I just find it really rewarding.
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And, um, it s something that I have some semblance of control over in the entertainment industry.
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Whereas I, you know,
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Like if I, if I probably got more acting work, I probably wouldn t be putting out so many specials, but some of it is.
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It s just kind of creatively fulfilling.
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And, um, I mean, stand up so immediate, you come up with an idea, you can go on stage and then you can rewrite it and stuff like that.
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And some of it, I think is just the habit of.
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I think I also get burned, because I tour a lot, I get burned, I get tired of material too.
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So I ll, once it works, I ll kind of feel like I should put it away.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, that s hard to do for me.
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I did a special years ago.
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You didn t know I d be this entertaining.
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No, I like it.
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Actually, our audience loves this, and I do too.
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I m fascinated by, like, do you at this point or recently, can you, like, you re in a room, you come up with an idea, you re sort of sketching out bullet points for laugh points, but it s kind of unformed.
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Can you feel like you can get it closer to the finish line before you put it in front of an audience?
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Or is it the same thing of like all the surprise the audience will tell you?
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Because you have a voice and you have a rhythm and you have a sensibility.
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So it seems like it s, is it slightly easier to write for your character in a sense, unless you step outside the lines with Dark Pale where you went,
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You challenged your fans a little bit, which I thought was cool.
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Oh, thanks.
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I would say that it s different, right?
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I mean, as you guys know, like sometimes the whole thing just comes out of your mouth, particularly if I m complaining about my kids.
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That s, you know, I m usually kind of
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you know, remembering how I was complaining about my kids to a friend.
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And then I would say that on stage.
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Um, but then there s some where I really kind of tinker with the material, if it s more observational kind of mundane things, but it s, yeah, it it s, I don t know.
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Some of it is like, I just, I love the process so much.
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And I, I, you know,
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Every stand-up has such a different way of going about it.
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I wish I was one of those guys that could just go on stage and talk about things that he feels about things.
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But I don t think that I talk normally in complete sentences.
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There s a lot of you knows and stuff like that.
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So I have to write and rewrite.
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land with a noun as opposed to a verb, stuff like that.
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It s work to get a bit to go from, you hear about songs that get written and they re like, this great song, one of the Beatles wrote in like 10 minutes.
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Then that s like jokes.
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You go, this thing actually has a beginning, middle, and end right now.
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Right when I say it, it s fully formed.
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I have to tape it,
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I, I audio when I go on stage, like if I m here at the comedy store, then I go home and I hate listening to it, but I got it.
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Sometimes I transcribe it and I look through it and I go, I don t need that.
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I don t need that.
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And I circled out and I go, I need this, that s tighter.
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Then I try that.
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And then I go, how do I get out?
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Like sometimes I have good jokes and I can t get out.
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And so I leave them on the sidelines because I just can t find just a great
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And that s, it s all, it s all like you say, it s rewarding when you get it right and you figure out that Rubik s cube and then you do a set and you go, I actually am up to another hour.
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And it s working.
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And if you re like, fuck, I m still kind of good.
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I mean, again, like movies, you do what they say you, you go when they say you wear what they say.
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And in standup, you just go, I have a new joke.
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I m going to go try it tonight.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Can I ask both you guys?
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Sorry.
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I just want to ask both you guys a question because
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I find and other people find it there s a self-loathing aspect to listening to yourself this sucks and it s like god am i bad and it s painful but the great comics do listen back because there s so much there.
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How do you do that?
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Both of you, do you kind of skip over?
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Okay.
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I know.
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I remember that section went pretty good.
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Now I m in the section that felt bad.
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And then it s, is it torturous at all?
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Or is it just more forensic?
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Like, okay, that s interesting.
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That sucked.
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Cause the setup, I didn t do it.
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Whatever.
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Cause I have a horrible time listening or watching myself on TV.
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But I think it s getting numb to that self-loathing, you know, and also,
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I mean, some of it is that I sometimes comment on how, how repulsed I am by myself.
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Uh, you know, alleviate some of that, but yeah, no, I think that, I don t know.
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I think it s just kind of the, the, the never ending kind of puzzle of it that I find rewarding because sometimes listening back up, you know, I ll be like, oh, I should have done this or.
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I ll hear, oh, I was mumbling too much.
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And then, of course, for me, it s like, sometimes I m so dumb, like, I ll just forget the intention behind the joke, like, I ll hear myself say it.
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And I ll be like, yeah, that s not the point of the joke.
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No wonder it didn t work.
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But I do think there s so much value.
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And this is going to sound kind of corny in like the
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different types of laughs, right?
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So there s the super hot audience that is, and I mean, attractive, no, but the super good audience that s laughing at everything.
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But when an audience where it s sometimes working the material
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you can figure out, you know, like, so this segment of the audience or this demographic might interpret what I m saying in a certain way that I m not intending.
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Do you know what I m saying?
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Yeah.
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I mean, do you guys ever encounter that?
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Like, I have this joke right now that I m kind of working on that where I talk about, um,
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you know, putting a man on the moon and how we re going to Mars.
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And it s like, you know, we put a man on the moon 54 years ago and we never did that since then because we never put a man on the moon.
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And so that s that s not even the thing that s interesting to me.
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The interesting thing to me is that it brings up such a whirlwind of conspiracy among the audience in emotions.
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that there s some people who are like, we didn t go to the moon.
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And I know.
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And then there s some people that are like, it doesn t matter.
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And then some people just appreciate it for the observation that I m making and the joke.
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And it s so like, you accidentally bring up something that
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changes the mood in the audience or sets an expectation.
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Right.
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They re thinking of their thought about it.
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They re not laughing.
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They re going, wait, does he mean we never went to make it to make it funny?
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Here s an observation I had about that.
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And I assume you would not use it.
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And I don t think it s that profound.
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But when I meet people who say we didn t go to the moon, sincere college educated people.
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And I say, well, if we didn t go, if we faked it,
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That s a bigger accomplishment than actually putting a man on the moon.
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It s because I ve hung out with Buzz Aldrin.
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He s he s Brando.
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He s I flew five hours on an airplane with him.
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So he s genius at how thousands of people have kept this conspiracy together.
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But I don t know if there s funniness in them, their heels.
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But no, yeah, no, there is something about
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And also there s something of, you know, we can laugh at ourselves about it.
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It s kind of like the flat earthers, you know what I mean?
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There s people that sincerely believe that.
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But like, there used to be a time where like, even if you were a flat earther, and I m not saying they re all like this, but like, they d be like, I know people think I m crazy because I think the earth is flat.
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But now today people are like, are you saying that I m crazy because I believe the earth is flat?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right, yeah.
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Well, the moon stuff is tough because most of my crowd doesn t even know we went to the moon or knew about it.
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And so that s another problem as you re doing the premises.
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I talk about ET in my head because I talk about aliens and just the fact that
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My crowd is mixed.
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They re either four to eight years old, or they re eight to 12.
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So the older ones sort of- That s a big range.
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How do you appeal to a four-year-old and a 12-year-old?
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I see it a lot.
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I know, you gotta mix it up.
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And so ET, like a lot of my audience knows it, so I can run with a joke.
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But if they don t know it, there s four minutes where I feel like they re checking out, because they don t really, they re trying to get it from the context, and they re not supposed to work that hard, I guess.
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I have a joke where I talk, I reference Chaka Khan and I can see, I can see people in their twenties, very informed, socially aware people.
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And they have a look on their face, Chaka Khan, you know, like, is that, was that somebody who was a leader of apartheid?
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You know, like they have no idea who Chaka Khan, who like was such a brilliant performer that defined in many ways our generation and
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A 23-year-old might not know who Chaka Khan is.
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You know, they don t know they re singing it because they re going through the crowd going, Chaka Khan.
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Chaka Khan?
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Chaka Khan?
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Looking around, you re like, yeah, that song.
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And they re like, no, that s it.
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But if you have a, I know you have a 20 minute bit based on Shaka Khan, which is great.
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It s like, I don t get the premise.
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So the next 19 minutes, I m just going to sit here and wait this one out.
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That s a problem sometimes, because I think my references are so snappy and everyone s like, you don t even know what you re talking about, dude.
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When you go to these clubs, I just want to, just curious, like, do you have go-to clubs in New York or when you come in, do you go when it s like midnight or how do you deal with ladies and gentlemen, this next gentleman, you know, you might know him, the rock star hype.
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You just, you re kind of probably tired and you got your note.
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He s coming.
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He always brings it.
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I usually, I, I like to perform at, um,
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Gotham comedy club in New York.
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And some of that, I mean, I m really, it s a good one.
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This is talking to talk about overthinking.
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Obviously the comedy seller is a legendary comedy club here in New York, but it is, it s prone.
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It s kind of by design, very interactive.
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People are always walking to the bathroom, stuff like that.
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And if you don t address it,
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You re a little bit like that guy.
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I didn t see that.
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You know, that six foot guy that had a Mohawk walk by, you have to address it.
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Whereas in at Gotham, and I think that Laura goes a little bit like this in LA, you can do.
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your show kind of self-contained.
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And I, you know, I, you know, I enjoy the crowd work and, you know, some of my favorite people are always interacting with the audience, but I selfishly want to just do the material, you know what I mean?
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And so, or work on the material, I should say.
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So that s where I like to go.
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I do that.
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When you, when you, when you mentioned something in the crowd, I ve done this in theater shows, you mentioned one thing and then
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It might get left, plus it s always risky to leave your act.
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People don t know this.
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When you leave the safety of your act, you don t know if they re going to answer the right way or you re going to come up with something.
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So I say something and now they know that I know the crowd is moving.
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So when they move, they sort of make a point of it because they want me to say something.
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And now I ve entered crowd work.
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You are now in crowd work.
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And I go, I don t want to do this.
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And people are waiting for me to talk and wait.
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And then they yell and I m like, Oh, I don t want to do that.
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Yeah, no, it is the crowd work thing again.
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It s.
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It s very entertaining.
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I mean, I think like comedians, like I don t know if you ve seen Ian back do crowd work.
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He s unbelievable.
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Mike Sweeney back in the day was just like a magician.
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It s hard.
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It s really hard.
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There s some people that are really good at it.
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And I just I m kind of I think it s inefficient use of time.
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That s my thing.
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I look a little bit like a college coach here.
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I like that coat you have on.
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You re not actively coaching somewhere?
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I m not coaching this year.
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You look more like an umpire than a coach because you have a black hat with nothing on it.
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It s just black.
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Just for people who are fans or don t know this, but the alter ego voice is kind of unique.
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for someone who is as big as you.
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I don t know of anyone else who has that companion that s so integral and really the conceit of it is brilliant because obviously you re always letting everyone in on
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There s no elephant in the room.
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You completely pop the bubble.
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So I don t know how that evolved, but when you came onto that and it started working, you must have been pretty like, whoa, I got a whole other world of comedy now that you can improvise with sometimes, right?
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You don t always know what it s going to say.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, you know, it was very much, you know, I m a slow talking Midwestern or so when I, and I look like, you know, I could be John Tesh s brother.
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So when, and by the way, now people are like, who s John Tash, but I would go on stage in the early nineties.
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Um, I was this very white bread guy and slow talking.
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So I found if I just kept talking and,
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Even kind of spoke for them i could get ahead of any possible heckling or snide comment and it s it s you know communicating self-awareness which i think is always beneficial and but also the the improvised element always helps a lot and some people
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Get really sick of it.
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And you know, but I also feel like it s one of those things where You can change your point of view on a joke So like if I have this point of view where I m very positive about something If I m taking the voice of someone in the audience, I can take an opposing view.
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It s a little secret And it s sort of it s very high and whispery, but it s not really I don t even know if it s a man or a woman it s sort of
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You know, people used to say when you do the church lady, people used to say that to me when you do the church lady.
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Oh, I m not doing the church.
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I, you know, I was.
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The first time I used that voice before I attached Church Lady to it was when I d go on stage.
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David had this problem when I was 21 and I d hear people gasp because they thought I was 15.
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This is before life beat me up, but I really look young.
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And so I would go, well, well, well, apparently we let little children onto the stage.
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So that was but then it became the character.
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But they re very different in rhythm and in intent.
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That s that s just funny how people connect things like that.
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And some of it is, I remember, uh, I mean, I used to do these characters, like in the early nineties, when I, there was downtown, there was everyone s doing characters as characters, you know, there s every five years, there s somebody doing characters, you know, but goes the end, did his characters.
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And so I was doing characters.
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And one of the characters was someone that just went up there.
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and complained.
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And some of it was a little bit inspired by my oldest sister, who was always kind of, I think it s neat.
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Like, you know, like, if a joke didn t go over, I d say, my sister Kathy would love this.
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I think it s neat.
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No one s laughing.
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I think Jimmy s really getting too big for his bridges.
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And so there was some of that.
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And
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It was very much, uh, it was weird because it was inconsistent because when it would work, it would work great.
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But if it didn t work, the audience would be like, this guy is just mentally ill.
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You know what I mean?
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Now, what did we find out?
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Were you two big fear britches or was she onto something?
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I was, I, you know, I still am too big.
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Did you do it?
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I don t know.
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I read you did it.
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You did impression.
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That s all.
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I don t know where figures of speech come from.
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There s 20 minutes right there.
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I used to, uh, Norm, Norm, our sweet Norm McDonald.
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They say, uh, a penny, a penny saved is a penny earned.
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Right.
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And as a, as a hundred percent return, you know, it was more like a penny save is like maybe 10, 10 cents earners.
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I don t like that.
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But anyway, that was, I think I ll be fun to have Norm do all those.
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What are you calling figures of speech?
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They say the apple doesn t fall too far from the tree, but you know,
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Really depends how high up the apple is and then you kind of win crowd rolling and I ll see we love but Jim did you do impression.
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Will you do some you did well I had I when I first started I did.
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Casey caitlin and then I did a jimmy stewart.
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Your money s in bills.
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It s like now it just sounds like I m doing impressions of Dana s impression.
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What else did Dana do?
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Because I did that too!
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What did Jimmy Stewart say?
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Your money s in bills?
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Well, your money s in Bill s house.
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Now don t you understand here?
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Potter s not selling.
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Potter s buying.
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Yeah.
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It s a, it s a wonderful life.
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Yeah.
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So, um, but I m trying to think of, you have to do like Cardi B now and Tyga, you know?
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Yeah.
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I used to do Malkovich like that, but nothing.
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Malkovich is hard.
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I ve wanted to do him for years, but it tilts into Travolta.
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You know, it s very whiny, you know, because I m Midwestern.
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He s kind of that wine is a little bit of a Midwestern wine.
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You know, it s just it s a little bit vocal fry.
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Yeah, he could be on the.
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I only have one phrase and it was from the Sandra Bullock movie.
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It s only one phrase.
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It was post-apocalyptic.
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And I don t think it sounds like him, but it s like, can t you tell that he s lying?
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See, it s a little too new, a little too much Long Island.
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Jim, you do not have all this money.
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Do you live in a two bedroom apartment?
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That was, this is from Wikipedia when you were 11.
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How do you update?
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How do you, I mean, you ever go to some people s Wikipedia and you re like, wow, this is an amazing article.
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And then yours is like, he likes food.
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You know what I mean?
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It does say you like food.
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It says salmon is one of the, one of the rare foods you dislike.
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Yeah, that s big in there.
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You like every food.
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He likes food.
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He got baby five.
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Yeah, you are.
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You re family friendly and you have friendly.
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You have seven people that live in a two bedroom apartment in lower Manhattan and you eat at Vesletka.
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Veselka.
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Veselka.
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You ve probably been to Veselka.
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That s so weird.
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You go to one restaurant or you mentioned it in one article and they re like.
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That s our guy.
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He goes there all the time.
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That s his place.
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You once got Paul Reiser in a headlock.
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Some of these aren t real, but some are.
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Now it s turning into that.
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What s that show coming up?
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What s that called?
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He s a billionaire now.
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He was on Real People.
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Come on out.
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Oh, Byron Allen.
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Byron Allen.
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Byron Allen.
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Yes.
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Now, I understand you went on vacation.
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That is very generic.
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I understand you got a dog.
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Yeah.
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David Spade, you rented a car once.
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I understand you recently took up tennis.
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It just jumps around.
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That was random.
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And is a billionaire now, if you re listening.
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He s just sitting on piles of money going, yeah, I think it s pretty, I think it s working.
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It also says you home birthed yourself.
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Is that possible?
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Well, I didn t, but my wife did.
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Yeah, we did do that.
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No, you birthed you when you were born.
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No, no.
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That wasn t your suggestion?
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I came out of an egg.
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Your grandfather invented silly putty?
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That s true.
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That s true.
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You hang out with a silly buddy?
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All right.
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Wait, you are friends with Rich Jenny and I knew Rich Jenny a little bit in the old days, who was a very interesting dude.
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You know, remember him, Dana?
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Of course, Rich Jenny, Richard Jenny was killing it.
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He would get on a roll and a rhythm.
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There was I don t know.
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No one s ever done it better.
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What when you if you take a big chunk of Richard Jenny where he is just going, man, was he something?
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Yeah, he was.
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It s amazing because he was at such a and he could just destroy a room.
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Just the pacing was just boom, boom, boom.
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The Jaws bit, didn t he have this Jaws chunk or something about the shark?
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I don t know.
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Anyway, he played the he played a secondly, was it the Jim Carrey in the mask or one of those movies?
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Because he was in it.
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When I met him, I John Mulroney, if you remember, was a
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I said I was looking for a place when I was starting out and he said,
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I m moving out, I have a roommate, Rich Jenny.
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And he said, why don t you move there?
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He s on the road 50 weeks a year.
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You can just take my room.
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And I said, oh, for real, is that cool?
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He said, yeah, yeah.
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So a week later, he said, you moving in?
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I said, yeah.
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He goes, well, he got the Fox show he s gonna host for Joan Rivers or something.
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This is all old trivia and super boring.
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But I said, okay.
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And the only funny part was it was like one of these places on like Detroit or Sweets or whatever.
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So I move all my shit in.
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The next fucking day, Rich Jenny walks in and he goes, who the fuck are you?
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And I go, I m moving here because John didn t tell him.
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And he just goes, wait, you re living here in my house?
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I m like.
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Okay, this sounds weird.
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John Mulrooney, do you know him?
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He didn t tell you any of this?
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No.
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And he goes, get out by Friday.
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And I go, oh my God.
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So I said, okay, fair enough, because you didn t know.
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So I found another place, and by Friday he goes, you know what, I like you, you can stay.
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And I go, I m already moving.
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Oh, okay.
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I know, we got along, and then we stayed friends, because.
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a obviously he was thrown by that but he s he was great began a great stand-up so i don t know if this is true wikipedia page jim favorite stand of the best and of all time is richard prior to you there was that made up
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No, I think that s pretty true.
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I would never disagree with that.
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If you look at Long Beach, just that special because he operated on so many levels.
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He was an actor, he s a sketch player, and he d do the character, and then he d also just have brilliant things to say.
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The interesting thing about that special, if people want to check it out,
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is that there was an opening act and the crowd had not even come back into the theater and he just comes out and starts his act.
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It was the coolest way to ever start a special.
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But anyway.
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And that was his special.
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And I think he was he was opening for Patti LaBelle.
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That was it, yeah.
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So you speak about him.
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Wait, his special was opening for someone?
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Yeah, yeah, in Long Beach.
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That s awesome.
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And it starts out kind of slow and then it just builds to all this, whatever you call Richard Pryor-ism.
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Did you ever meet him or did you?
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No, no, I never met him.
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What makes you say that?
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I mean, what s your take on him as a stand-up?
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I think some of it is the,
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I think that he had this unique ability to, uh, um, you know, I, you know, it s weird.
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I haven t talked about this in a while, but I think that there s, uh, what s really appealing, why people have a connection with comedians is a certain amount of vulnerability.
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Like the, the, the contrast of the confidence and vulnerability.
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Now that being said, I think that like.
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someone like Seinfeld or even Chris Rock don t, they don t reek of vulnerability, but there s something you need to have some vulnerability.
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But I think Richard Pryor was like a very vulnerable guy, but also, um, but like, just talk about like raw skills.
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Like when you consider, you know, in that era, it s like, maybe he did the store a couple nights and maybe he met with
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uh, some writers, but like that was, it s doing it when he s opening for someone else is just bizarre.
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I mean, it s, it s, and it s during that era when, you know, uh, you know, it was kind of just the, the opening act comedian, they would just throw them to the wolves.
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Like, you know, it didn t, um,
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I m turning it now.
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I can t think of his name, but like somebody had a great bit about opening for bands and, uh, I did it and just how, like, it was just brutal.
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Right.
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And, or even if you d open for a great singer, they re not an any comedian.
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If they re not opening for anyone is not easy, but opening for a musical act.
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And they are there to see Patti LaBelle.
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Like I remember I opened once for Wayne Brady at a theater thing, and a guy just yelled, he goes, when s Wayne coming out?
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He kept saying that every five minutes.
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And I m like, he s coming.
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He s coming.
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He goes, where s Wayne at?
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Where s Wayne at?
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Where s Wayne at?
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And that was like in ninety seven.
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You know what I mean?
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Or ninety eight.
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I opened for Suzanne Somers at Caesars Palace Tahoe.
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That s a classic example of a comedian that doesn t fit really, and wasn t that good, and I proved it.
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And I proved that it was a mistake.
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But she was very nice, and signed a headshot for me.
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But that was a mix.
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I think Jim Carrey opened for Linda Ronstadt, is that how he met her?
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And then he toured with her?
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Is that true?
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Maybe I m making this up to sound interesting.
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I have to ask you about Pop-Tart s movie, because now I m riveted by this movie.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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You are in it, and you... Well, actually, you tell me about the movie.
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I just love that there s all these people in it, and I want to hear about the table read.
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It all sounds cool.
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Yeah, the trailer looks really fun.
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Yeah, it looks very cool.
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It s colorful.
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So go ahead.
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It s called Unfrosted, the true story of Pop-Tart.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it s the true made up story of the invention of pop charts.
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And this is it s, you know, Jerry had this bit on the impact of pop charts on his life and how it was, you know, yes, I remember he worked on that for years, right?
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Yeah, to perfect it.
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Yeah.
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And so he and some people during the lockdown wrote
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this script uh over zoom he was in new york and they were in la and um That s what you know when everyone else was making bread.
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They were writing a script and uh, but this script is a fictionalized account and it s it s pretty absurd and funny, but it also utilizes a lot of Um, it s weird because we we
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You know, there s been these times in comedy movies where
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there s the romantic comedy, a comedy has to have a romantic element.
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Then there s problems where it was Wayne s World or where that was a side plot, but it was just more about getting bits out there.
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I feel like Unfrosted is about getting just bits out there.
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Just be funny.
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enough of Jerry Falls for the mayor s daughter or whatever, which he does.
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Yeah.
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And so that s, that s some of, but it s also a lot of silly references to his childhood, our childhood, um, that are kind of, uh, just, you know, it s very, you know, like Jerry is very, um, he s very kind of meticulous and stuff.
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So
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And we would shoot it and you d shoot you d shoot the scene and then similar to like probably how they did Seinfeld because these were all guys from Seinfeld.
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Then they d rewrite the whole scene and there s part of you that s like, well, all right.
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Um, wasn t that good.
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And, uh, but it was, it was great.
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And it was interesting to see, um, kind of the, the, cause I, you know, I was never on the TV show.
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So I felt to witness some of that craftsmanship in action and, uh,
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Yeah, you know, it s just like, but it s, you know, there s also something about this almost goes back to, you know, stand up comedians, like stand up comedians, we go on stage alone with a microphone.
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And so we have this.
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Absolute control and so when you and i don t know if adam sandler s like this or whatever but like then they get on a set and they re kind of like all right you re gonna say it like this you re gonna say it like this and that s not necessarily bad but because they have the heart of a comedian.
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They re like, this is how it s gonna happen.
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Whereas like, in an indie film, you re like, well, the, the moment of the scene informed me to do something else.
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Whereas with a comedy, it s like, we got to get these bits right.
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And we have to service
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service the humor of this, which was, it was really interesting to do that.
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And also make them look thrown away and not thought out, but so thought out like an act, like where you re just going through your act and blah and people like you just make that shit up.
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You re like, I wish I ve just, I ve been working on this.
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Yeah.
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You know, Jim, I m just curious, Jerry as a director, it s the first time he s directing.
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Oh, he directed?
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That s right.
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Because of Seinfeld, it s like a group, but Jerry is the official director.
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So between takes or after the rewrite, do you see Jerry laugh?
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Because Jerry s a good audience.
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He really likes to laugh.
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He gives it up, yeah.
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And then he comes into you,
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And how does he decide to adjust it does he give an example does it tell you intellectually why are you sad like me to their speed that up or how does he direct you.
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If you can be it s it s very much.
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He is what i would say you know this might have been his first time directing but we also know that.
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Kind of direct it comes yeah yeah i m very much writer is the writers medium right and so.
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The showrunner, you know, there s a director on sitcoms, but in a lot of ways, the the the director, the the head writer or even the star, you know, like maybe I just shoot me, you d be like, look, I m going to do it this way.
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It s probably, you know, let s at least try.
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I ran a tight show.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, there s certain but like I would say with Jerry, you know, he was definitely open.
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You know, the funniest idea always won.
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But yeah.
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what I thought was most telling, which didn t surprise me, but is the, you know, the relentlessness to find the funniest bit in the individual scenes.
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And so, and there s also, and I imagine that s how he approaches editing too, because when you think of like comedians in cars,
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It s really just two comedians talking, right?
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For four hours.
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Yeah, how he makes that into a show is in post.
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And, you know, obviously, the editor will add a lot of value.
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But some of it is I think Jerry really knows his point of view.
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And I kind of, you know, what I really appreciate about like Seinfeld or Chris Rock is their
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their core beliefs about their comedy or their beliefs in comedy, they re kind of, they re set in stone.
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Whereas I think most logical people will be like, is this funny?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, that s not to say that Jerry or Chris wouldn t say, oh, that s, I thought that was gonna be funny.
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It s not gonna be funny.
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That happens to everyone.
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But like- There s a confidence.
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You know what I mean?
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There s a confidence, like the basic premise of, you know,
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of their kind of philosophy on comedy is unshakable.
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So like, Jerry s like somebody who doesn t
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engage in like comedians, we love to complain or gossip.
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And Jerry s just like, no, I don t do that.
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And so it s it s kind of true.
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Yeah, he s he s very Zen in some ways.
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Yeah.
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So like I ll give him shit.
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I m like, because that s because you re a robot because you don t have emotions, you know, and I ll I ll give him shit on that.
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But like some of it is really inspiring.
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And
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And so he doesn t get caught up by Emotional distraction and I even see that like I remember one time at the store I saw chris rock go up and this is probably 15 years ago What s up, and he did like 10 minutes And he probably got laughs the last two minutes I would have been a puddle on the floor just shaking.
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He just walked off and he s like, hey, how you doing?
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You know, it s like there is something about
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that conviction around your beliefs or the belief in your process that they both have, that is really impressive.
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I like being around a group of comedians and in Saturday Night Live you get comedy writers.
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And normally when the frequency is pretty narrow as to what s funny, like everyone s kind of jiving in on a script.
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Seems like most of the time everyone, when the right idea came up, oh yeah, we re doing that.
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And everyone would agree.
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Table rewrites on sketches.
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Comedians have instinct, they ve been around a long time.
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And so normally it s like, oh yeah, we got it.
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So that you probably had that esprit de corps on pop tarts.
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Now it s going to be where is it?
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Is it in theaters or it s on Netflix?
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Right.
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Netflix.
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Netflix.
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How do you get Netflix?
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What s that about?
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Anyway, this new streaming platform.
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But when does it start?
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It s run by Ted Sarandos.
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I think it s May 3rd.
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OK.
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And I can t do May 3rd.
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I can watch it on the 9th.
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You can, you know what, you can, there s this thing.
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I won t be there opening night.
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Okay.
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You can download it and watch it on a plane.
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How is Kyle Dunn again?
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Did you see him over there?
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Were you working with these guys?
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Oh my gosh.
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Kyle Dunn again.
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He, I think he plays like three parts of the movie.
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Does he play Carson?
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He s so brilliant.
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He plays Carson.
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He plays, uh.
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Cronkite?
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Walter Cronkite, and I think someone else.
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I saw Bill Burr as JFK.
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Is that what it is?
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He s got a hairpiece on.
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You re like, hey, that s a pretty good JFK.
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And then you realize it s Bill Burr.
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This movie has a big curiosity factor too, because there s a lot of good people in it.
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What do you do in it, by the way?
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I play... I m
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Edsel Kellogg, I play the guy who Jerry works for me.
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I m kind of a Nepo baby within the Kellogg family.
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And when we were going through
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Because, you know, I obsess on things.
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So I there d be table reads and I would do research on the Kellogg s family.
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And I d be like, because, you know, it s crazy.
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Some of the Kellogg s, the starting idea, you know, they created this cereal so people would stop masturbating.
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It s like bananas.
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Right.
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I did not bring that up to Jerry and Spike.
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And they d be like, yeah, we re not bringing that up.
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You know, we re going to
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I mean, we re going for the funny here.
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Yeah, we re not going to we don t need your kink brought into this gym.
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So this is where is it Spike Fierstein?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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OK, great.
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They work together.
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Oh, yeah.
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Soup.
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Nazi soup kitchen.
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I think it was Spike or whatever.
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But yeah.
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So also we were told, which I think is pretty a great name.
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Father Time.
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I was going to ask you about Father Time.
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Precious batch Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey.
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Jim, you re involved.
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Explain the name of the bourbon and how you came about.
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I think it s Father Time.
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Father Time.
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Did I say something else?
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No, there s Father Time and there s Father.
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No, so it s Father Time.
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It s Father Time, but it s Father Time.
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father kind of time.
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So you get both.
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I don t think I thought there weren t enough people in the entertainment industry with their own alcohol.
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Yeah.
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So that s why I did it.
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No, the story behind it.
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I want to get into it.
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Can we go?
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I want to hear your story first, but I got to get here.
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I don t know.
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I m sure you guys I don t even know if either of you drink or not, but like I m sure you ve been approached.
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about doing a celebrity spirit.
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And the thing that I ve always been hesitant about is it s, it just, you know, it seems like a cash grab, or it just like, I ve also gotten some celebrity spirits through gifts and stuff like that.
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And some of them are
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horrible, you know, I mean, like, I wouldn t bring up but like somebody, I was like, wow, this is, you know, like, I m not like a booze expert, but like, this is bad, whatever it was.
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And so I ve been approached a couple times, and I was very, I was very hesitant.
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And, and then, like, I think the last time I was approached, I was thinking,
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well, why don t I, cause I was worried about like it being of certain quality or it just appearing like they obviously just want to use some of your notoriety so that they can make some money.
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And so, and I m not like somebody who s in this, my empire of, you know, this, and then I m going to have my own clothing line.
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But the last time I was pitched, I was like, you know, I do like bourbon, but like,
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And I know that people have, you can buy a barrel and you can do a limited run or whatever.
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I was, and I thought, well, I ve got this buddy from college who lives in Louisville.
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Maybe he knows someone where we could do something like that, but I don t want.
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Some big spirit company or, or, uh, I don t want it to appear like a cash grab.
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So essentially what ended up happening is I ended up selecting
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this bourbon, I paid for all of it myself.
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If if we sell all the bottles, I ll probably break even.
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But in some ways, it was just one of those things.
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I you know, and I drink bourbon.
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So I wanted to do it.
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And I named it Fondertime.
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Because, you know, I have three teenagers now.
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And I never really
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you know, growing up, I would see my dad drink and I d be like, why is he drink?
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And now that I have teenagers, I know why he does.
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I mean, it s it s so it s weird.
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So it s kind of again, it s also, you know, a creative outlet for me.
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And and I don t think that I ll
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it s not gonna make me money and it s not gonna be in stores or anything like that.
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It s just one of those things that I knew that I could do some hopefully humorous social media posts and get through this limited supply of bottles.
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But it is more complicated than I thought.
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And people- You re like, I m not even selling it and you can t even drink it.
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But other than that,
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It s very limited.
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It s only at your house.
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It seems like the first thing you would want to do, Jim, is make sure.
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That the product was great because that gets away from money.
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So whoever who did you find that could kind of go, oh, yeah, this is a great bourbon and yourself, you have to like it and yourself.
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But there are people so steeped in it that they would probably be able to tell you.
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Well, I, I, you know, reached out to my friend from Louisville, who I went to college with and, and, you know, he s, and I was like, and the subject of the email was like, crazy idea.
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Do you like bourbon?
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How much do you, do you know bourbon people down there?
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And he was like, I do like bourbon.
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I know some people.
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And so he had, he s like, he does indie films and he had done like a bourbon
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for the Louisville Film Society.
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And he said, it can be done, but like, it s, you know, it s not, you re not going to make money on it.
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You re, you re
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you re you know if you want to sample you have to come down here and we will but will ship you stop so i sampled a lot of which is what i want to do anyway.
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I did go down to louisville and i have you know three brothers so they flew down and we use that as a brother trip where we.
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tasted bourbon and just ongoing research about just, you know, this, you know, because I always imagine like when I would say 10 years ago, I if I drank, it would be a beer because, you know, hard liquor.
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I just felt like I was pretending to be a grown up.
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Right.
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Or if I was I was, you know, like I was, oh, let s act like we re in a Tennessee Williams play by having an old fashioned, you know, like it just felt false.
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But now
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Because of my children, I need the alcohol.
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That s my opinion.
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Dash bourbon.com.
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Yes.
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Lowercase.
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But I literally had to go and buy, you know, Oh, it s dash.
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It s dash.
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We looked at it.
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Get the, uh, get the website and everything.
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It s one of those things.
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And my wife s like, what are you doing?
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And I m like, ah, it s just kind of like a nerdy project.
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I m doing my bourbon, you know?
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And again, it s.
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I like that.
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Is there something, because the label looks cool.
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Let s just assume it s a super quality.
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beverage and your limited run you do with this, there s always the possibility.
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I don t think that s your motivation.
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It s like a novelty, fun thing, but that it just sort of, the feedback is like, humans love it and want more of it.
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Then all you do is wave your wand and say, okay, make more.
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And so that s possible, but you re not even thinking, I don t want a future trip.
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Like it s not a disappointment if that doesn t happen, but it wouldn t stun me.
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Yeah i mean that would be great but i think that even being pitched by.
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These people that were doing these celebrity spirits, it is, uh, a real long-term thing that people are looking at and it s, then it s getting into stores and stuff.
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Like if someone approached me, I probably would be open to it.
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But I also, again, I d probably care more and this sounds really sincere, but I wouldn t want it to be crappy.
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You know what I mean?
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So it s not, do you know what I mean?
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It s I d want it to be good.
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Like,
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Like, it s not cheap.
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And the reason it s not cheap is because I made sure it s a cool bottle and it s a cool stopper and a cool label.
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And so but I mean, if I wanted to, you know, I could have made it cheaper.
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But, you know, it, you know, I think I ve eliminated risks.
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Uh, of it being bad, you know what I mean?
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And so the, and also the people that are, cause it s a blend of, you know, you pick 16 barrels of this and all that.
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Um,
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It s also getting the right people to, to, uh, you know, to mix it together and all that.
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That s what the science is.
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So it s a big, and it turns into, if you really want to sell it, some people dedicate 24 hours a day because it turns into such a big, but you got to get it in stores.
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You got to fly away.
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So it s probably harder to do that anyway.
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And you already have a full-time job.
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Yeah.
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And, and by the way, we all know so many people that have, that s why I m kind of like, yeah, I think came up maybe, but like, I know people that have done it through the spirit companies and it s, it doesn t go anywhere anyway.
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So I m like, this is just kind of for me and, and I ll send you, I think I already have David, I don t know if you drink, but I was going to, but I d love to send you one.
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He drinks.
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I invested in one and it took a shit, so I know that side of it.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Well, it was a horrible title for vodka, Took a Shit Vodka.
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I was against it.
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No, Dane, it was called Shitty Vodka.
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Shitty vodka, see that s, yeah, that s- I thought it was, I thought everyone would get it.
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I say Joe Dirt, Joe Dirt Whiskey.
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Oh, Joe Dirt Whiskey.
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Was there a Joe Dirt Whiskey?
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No, it should.
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No, but there should be.
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Church Lady Chardonnay, Sinfully Delicious.
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Good night.
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Yeah.
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No, Jim, I wasn t the founder of it.
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I was just brought in and then jumped on a trend, all the wrong reasons, and also to help out a friend, and then it just kind of, money evaporates, everything goes quiet.
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Yeah.
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And that s why it s me.
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It s this thing is literally me and another guy and the money s all it s like he put in some money, but it s mostly my money.
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So there s, uh, but it s really a two, you know, like all the, the, you know, the promos that I did, I did those all in one day when I was in Louisville.
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So, um, you can do this if.
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But I think when you get a lot of people involved, that s when money starts disappearing.
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But you know how it infiltrates your brain, just this idea of celebrities and spirits, and then you hear that suddenly they have their take of
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the sale of the tequila was $450 million or more.
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I don t know if Ryan Reynolds or George Clooney.
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I mean, it s just massive.
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So that s where your brain goes.
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Ryan will buy this out of petty cash.
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He s so rich, he ll buy it for fun.
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But it s sold for 2 billion, but his share will only be half of that.
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We ll be right back.
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But that s not our intent.
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Yeah, I kind of assume those days are done.
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I do think that people will
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I mean, if you, if you are into bourbon, which I m a little into, you end up kind of being a collector of like, Oh, now I got, you know, Blanton s now I got happy, you know, and Oh, is this, does this Buffalo trays different, you know, it s like how an alcohol, alcoholic rationalizes things.
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But I do think that, you know, it is, it is going to be a cool bottle that
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would be cool.
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It s like men with their man caves.
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It s a good man cave kind of thing.
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Dan Aykroyd gave us his skull of his crystal skull vodka.
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That s a cool bottle.
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It s incredibly cool.
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You never want to open it.
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It s just sort of, it really sits on.
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I put one right in my house, of course.
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It looks cool.
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It s Danny Aykroyd.
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And it s not empty.
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I held it up.
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It was very light, but it s not empty.
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Yeah.
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Well, Jim, thank you for talking to us.
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It s always fun to talk to you.
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Jim Gaffigan is here.
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10 specials and counting, I think.
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Keep them going.
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The most prolific considered.
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One of the best stand-ups of our generation.
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I don t want to make a list.
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I don t know where to put him, but I d say one of the very best stand-ups of this age group.
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I m a little older, but I like what you young people are doing.
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He s been our guest today.
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Father Time is the beverage
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Unfrosted is the movie.
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Is the movie.
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And Jim Gaffigan is our guest.
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Was our guest.
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Yeah, thank you, Jim.
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We ll talk to you soon, buddy.
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Thanks so much, you guys.
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Pleasure.
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Enjoyed it.
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Enjoyed it.
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Take care.
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Thank you.
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