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When you re on the field, kill the other dude.
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When you re not on the field, you don t have to kill the other dude.
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But when you re on the field, you wanna win.
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You just have to realize when you re not on the field.
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The problem is, I think people don t realize when they re not on the field.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world.
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Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow.
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Now, you know that I m fascinated about speaking to people from different backgrounds, different walks of life, people who ve made interesting choices, decisions, had life events that have changed the trajectory of their journey.
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And I like diving into the insights that they have, the wisdom that they have,
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some of the mistakes and failures that came along the way as well.
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And today s guest is one of those individuals.
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I m talking about the one and only Ariel Emanuel, Chief Executive Officer of Endeavor, a global sports and entertainment company, home to many of the world s most dynamic and engaging storytellers, including me, brands, live events, and experiences.
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The company is composed of industry leaders including entertainment agency Sports Fashion Events and media company IMG and premier mixed martial arts organization UFC.
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In 2009, Ariel orchestrated the largest talent agency merger in history when Endeavor, the agency he founded in 1995, joined forces with agency William Morris to form WME.
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Now, we re about to dive into his story.
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He doesn t do a lot of podcasts, so we re very lucky.
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Please welcome to the show and on purpose, Ariel Emanuel.
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Ariel, thank you for being here.
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Thank you for having me.
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Yeah, you ve had quite the journey.
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But we were just talking about it.
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When I was in the mailroom, they had the Thomas Guide, 15 cents a mile.
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I was figuring out, because your house is, maybe we don t want to let people know where it is, way up in the hills.
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I would have never been able to get here using a Thomas Guide.
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Thank God there s Waze and Tesla, their system.
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Yeah, I wonder what that was like when you were meeting clients.
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It wasn t horrible, actually.
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You realize how to get around.
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It was a great experience that, oh, so if I m booking, if I m going to be in the Valley and I have, that thing, it does take 45 minutes to get there.
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So once you kind of, it was actually the right steps and a lot of people went through the mail, whether it be Barry Diller, David Geffen, Mike Go, I mean, everybody did it.
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And I would have never been able to get here though, using the Thomas Guide.
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That s good.
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That s part of it.
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It s aging me saying the Thomas Guide.
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Well, no, I remember my parents, we used to drive to Europe because my parents couldn t always afford to fly.
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And so we d have the A to Z in England, which is like this big map, A to Z, big map that they d pull out and then track it across like physical map.
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And then we d have one for Europe, one for like France and Switzerland.
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And so we d drive over and I d see my parents like pull over and ask for instructions.
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It was, it was a different world.
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And you ve, you ve watched that.
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And I mean, you still look incredible.
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I m like, you haven t aged yourself at all, but
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When I think about how much times have changed, if you could say that these are a couple of the biggest changes you ve seen in the last three decades in this industry, in the world, that you re most astounded by, because I think we re getting used to change.
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I didn t grow up with a phone.
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I got my first phone when I was 13 or 14, and it was a Sony Ericsson brick with a little antenna for the phone.
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You re right, it was one of those, yeah, one of those old flip phones.
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Sony Ericsson had a little, you know, antenna on top of it.
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My mom had one of the big, like, chunky brick-style phones.
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But I feel like we re getting so used to change being so rapid that we actually don t spot patterns.
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If you ve spotted any patterns over the last three decades, what would you say they are?
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I don t know if there s patterns, you know, but I think you have to look at them in different sectors, whether it be tech, whether it be the entertainment business.
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The one pattern I do see
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Change is happening a lot faster.
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So the pick up the phone probably took seven years.
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The speed of adaption, the one big change, it s just now happening very quickly.
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And that just lets people, you better be really comfortable in the uncomfortable and change.
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And that s a mindset, that s a process to get to.
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That s what you have to realize, and all this is gonna happen a lot quicker now.
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which is, I don t think it s good or bad.
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It just is what it is.
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Yeah.
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I love what you just said there.
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So my entire show, I just went on a world tour and the entire show was based on the premise of getting the audience to sit in discomfort.
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So I would literally bring up random audience members and one of them was locked in a box on stage for 15 minutes alone without any sound.
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We had other audience members come up and have to do tasks that were uncomfortable.
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I love the idea of,
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getting comfortable.
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You better breathe through it.
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You better breathe through it.
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That s the only way to do it.
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I was going to ask you, like, how have you trained your mind to be comfortable with discomfort?
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I m not sure any of us are really comfortable with ourselves as we mature and kind of get into, I said this to a client today, I said there was a period of time I just didn t want anybody to find out that I really wasn t that bright.
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And it was, you know, I was scared.
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Right.
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And that I think goes back to my childhood and being dyslexic and,
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not believing that, you know, I m okay, I m not stupid, right?
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In my family, stupid was the definition, and smart.
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But I started fasting, and once you start doing it, it s not comfortable.
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And I just started telling, you know, start that little voice, no, I m not giving in to that little voice.
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No, I m getting up, even though I don t wanna get up.
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And then it s that conversation you re constantly, is that,
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Somebody said, my constant negotiation with myself.
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And now it s, if I meditate for 20 minutes every day, it s not easy sitting there for 20 minutes.
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Your toe itches, something, and you gotta get through it.
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And it s just, oh, I m gonna do a cold bath for five minutes every day.
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That s not fun.
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And it s just teaching your body
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No you can get through this i m not listening to that voice i m just breathing through it i m just getting through it and it s been probably fifteen years of that and it translates into business because then.
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Okay, we re taking over IMG, I m going to move to London for four months, kids and family s going to be on the East Coast for the summer, and it s going to be brutal.
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And yeah, you can do that, or at the UFC.
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Any of these new tasks that you take on, because you re telling yourself a story that whether it s going to be good or bad, that s not the truth.
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You have to just realize that thing s not the truth, and you just have to go through it.
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Yeah, it s not going to be easy.
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So what?
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Who cares?
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Like, yes, that s part of the process.
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That s actually part of the interesting thing that we re all doing.
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So.
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Yeah.
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No, I love that because.
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It did start though with not eating.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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You know, the, when I started learning about what fasting does or eating windows do to your body and autophagy and et cetera, et cetera, that then got your mind, okay, I can do this.
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And then you just start building on that.
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I probably am past the point of health, emotionally healthy, but yes, I m way past it, but yeah.
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No, but I love that because that s super practical, right?
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Like that s not an ethereal concept.
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The idea is you are able to put yourself through things that you didn t want to do, but that were actually good for you.
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And I find that that s- I hope they re good.
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Yeah, you re hoping.
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But the idea that most of what we don t want to do, that we choose to do, is actually what helps us get ahead in life.
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But one of it is, and that goes to kind of putting yourself, is showing up.
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Like, there s a voice saying, you mean I got to get on that plane for 16 hours?
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I got to just go have a lunch and I got to fly back from China?
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I don t want to do that.
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Okay, it said I don t want to do it.
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That little voice, I m doing it.
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And learning to say, oh, that s the voice.
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No, I m getting on the plane.
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And showing up.
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kind of going through it, yeah, that s part of growing up and being successful.
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A lot of people are too lazy to fight that voice.
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And over time, when you get older...
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and I m a lot older than you, you don t want to fight the voice.
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And all the things I do now is, I think, because as you get older, that voice takes over more and more.
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It s easy.
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No, don t get up at five o clock and work out.
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No, don t do this.
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I do it.
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I don t care.
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As soon as that voice turns on, I say, I m doing this.
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Yeah, it s really interesting you say that, because I feel like a lot of people say they can t hear their inner voice, and it s because that inner voice was so loud when we were younger.
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But it gets quieter and quieter and quieter because the other voice, we kept listening to it and it got louder and louder and louder.
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And so now we re having to unlearn that loud voice.
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And for me, it started with fasting periods.
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You know, I do 24 and I do 16 and sometimes it s 48 or 60.
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And it s then kind of evolved into multiple things to keep it exercised that I can not listen to the voice.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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And you need friends who push you too.
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I remember a few years ago,
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you know, whether it was skydiving or whether it was cold plunges, as you mentioned there, it s like you need to be surrounded by a community.
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I just literally, I ve got some friends from London staying with me right now this week, and I took them to do a cold plunge with me.
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You know, every day we d be doing a hike every morning.
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We ve been doing infrared sauna.
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They don t do that.
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They don t do that.
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They ve never done it before.
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And it was just interesting.
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How did they do on their cold plunge?
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They did really well, and they were saying that because we were, I was like trying to coach them through it and helping them breathe.
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So on their first time, they did, the first one, one of them did four minutes, and the other did three on their first time.
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And it was amazing.
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You just have to get past the first minute.
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Exactly, exactly.
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So it was a brilliant result, but it was that idea of your community, of people around you.
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When you were, I love what you just said there, that you were scared at one point in your life,
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of being figured out as not being so smart.
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And you said that came from your childhood, and yeah, you had ADHD, dyslexia, from what I ve researched.
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Walk me through how that idea stays even after you re starting to see success, because I think people believe that when you become successful, when you close your big deal, when you build a company, that some of that goes away.
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You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, did you see that documentary?
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Which one?
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The Game Changers?
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The most recent one that he did.
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It s just about him kind of growing up and bodybuilding.
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I don t think so.
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So he talks about, you know, he won Mr. Olympia and everybody was telling him how great his body was, right?
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And they re all looking at like, oh my God.
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In his head, he was saying,
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this is wrong, that s wrong, this is wrong.
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And you re like, nobody would have said that to me.
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You know, some people say it s your inner voice, your shadow.
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My shrink used to tell me it s your shadow.
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Maybe people were thinking I was successful.
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I was thinking about that kid that couldn t read and that during Passover didn t want to read the questions because I was the youngest and going into sewing, that s why I hate Passover now, the anxiety I had when I was a kid.
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And so it s just kind of upbringing.
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I m no longer dealing with those issues.
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It s not like I m beating my chest, oh, I m successful, but I m comfortable.
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And it s that, in a good way, drove me.
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Like, I m going to prove everybody wrong.
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You know, any bully comes up to me.
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Yep, we re going to get in a fight.
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Anybody calls me stupid.
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Yep, we re going to get a fight.
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You know, that s when I was young and it s just held over.
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And then there s the point in time where you re saying, OK, I m not doing this anymore.
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I m I have to deal with these crazy, stupid.
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Yes, you re successful.
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Yes, it s okay.
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Nothing s being taken away from you.
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And so that just came with age, a lot of shrinks and a lot of other therapies that we ll get into later.
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But I think it s really important because I think there s two things there.
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One is that it doesn t go away on its own.
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Revenge is not the solution or proving someone wrong.
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It s a good way to start.
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Revenge and I would say anger got you to a certain point.
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After you get to a certain point, if you stay with anger and resentment and fear, you only can get to a certain point in your life.
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And once you make the transition that, you know something, that s never gonna get me over the hump and you have to go a little deeper and that s scary and takes work.
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When you sit in yoga, I don t know what it is, it just opens up things to come to you and the process to come to you.
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And that s what happened at, I don t know, when it really happened probably 12, 15 years ago that I was on this journey to kind of find out
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I don t want to be that guy that s, somebody says something, I go to code red nine, that s not healthy.
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That s way too much energy.
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It s emotional energy that is exhausting.
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Absolutely, and that s what it is.
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It s exhausting, it s draining, and it takes away from that creative energy, the spark that s actually pushing you forward.
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To let things in that actually need to come in that then you can see the world differently and like, wait a second, you re not seeing it through those eyes.
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You re seeing it through a different like, wait a second, what about this?
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What about that?
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And you can be creative.
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That s a better place to be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I wanted to ask you as well.
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I mean, you probably get asked this all the time, but I think it s important context setting for everyone who s listening.
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The idea of like sitting in the discomfort as you were talking about it, my wife and I are huge Entourage fans, and I can imagine that it s cool, but uncomfortable to have
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your image displayed in a certain way that has pros and cons and how it s big.
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And there was aspects to that character.
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100% true.
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Which was?
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You know, I was very aggressive.
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And, you know, when we started the business, we couldn t compete on price because commissions were commissions.
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There was five other big players and we just had a,
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one, be more creative, two, more aggressive, and fight.
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So yeah, that was true to form.
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I mean, not all of it, but in the surrounding, yes.
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I don t know what entourage would be now, that character.
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So, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And what was stuff for you?
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Like, that s definitely not me.
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Like, were there anything?
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Well, I don t know.
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To be candid, that show gave me anxiety.
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Yeah, I can imagine.
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That s what I m saying.
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It gave me a lot of anxiety.
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So I didn t watch a lot.
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Right.
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And people now watch it.
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I mean, during the pandemic, I got a lot of calls from
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guys I know that had kids, and the kids started watching, kids in college started watching, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn t see that episode.
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You know, I did watch the episode, which I never did.
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I think he started to use a squirt gun on people.
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I didn t see that.
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I mean, I did see that, but I didn t do that.
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It s good to know you didn t use a squirt gun.
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That s important.
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How have you harnessed or how has your aggression matured in business?
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Because the reason why I raised that is because I think
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you know, we kind of swing in pendulums in the world.
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So if you think about business back then and how we viewed Wall Street, and even when I was growing up, like the dream was to be an investment banker.
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That s what everyone was becoming in London.
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And that was the big goal when I was a kid.
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And did you want to become one?
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I wanted to become one without knowing what it was.
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Yeah, right?
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Like, you know, that s what happens.
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And I went to Cass Business School and did management science, and I was training to go off into the corporate world because that s what I thought you had to be.
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Don t you remember when you were growing up, the objective was how big the stack was.
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Yes.
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I never had that objective.
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No, same.
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For whatever reason, my parents didn t, that was not the objective.
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It was to do well in the world and make the world a better place.
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Absolutely.
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And I think a lot of my friends, that was, how big is the stack?
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Totally.
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Same, same for me.
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It was, I, I didn t grow up with a lot.
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My parents didn t have a lot, but they always gave in charity.
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They helped the community.
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My mom did a ton of community work.
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And then
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I obviously met monks when I was 18 years old.
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So like that became my paradigm shifted massively.
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And I was always far more creative than anything else.
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And that s what I enjoyed.
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But I guess the question I m asking is, I think we ve gone from that very aggressive, very competitive, brash, harsh energy.
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And then we swing to this pendulum where everyone s like, well, no, you just got to be fully like empathetic and vulnerable and compassionate.
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I m like, so how do you...
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Yeah, so here s what it is.
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What is the middle ground balance?
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Because the answer is always somewhere in the middle.
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Here s somebody, a really smart person, I won t say who, told me.
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You have to know, and this only comes with time and maturity, when you re on the field.
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When you re on the field, kill the other dude.
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When you re not on the field, you don t have to kill the other dude.
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For you it s got to be a good deal, for me it s got to be a good deal, etc.
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But when you re on
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On the field, you want to win.
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You just have to realize when you re not on the field.
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The problem is, I think people don t realize when they re not on the field.
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And that has come over time, like, when am I on the field?
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Okay, when I m on the field, I m planning to win.
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When I m not on the field, I can be in a different mindset.
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That shift for me, going to fear, anger, da-da-da, I always thought I was on the field.
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And for a long time, to get the company where I wanted, I was always on the field.
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Now I don t have to be on the field all the time.
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And that not being on the field enables you to think properly and just let things in and grow.
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That gets you to other things that all of a sudden affect the field in a different way.
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You have different moves.
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It s probably how great players, as they get older, LeBron James, Michael Jordan,
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Their bodies are not the same, but they re better players because they just know how to do it differently.
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So when I m not on the field, I m not on the field.
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When I m on the field, I m playing pretty hard.
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Yeah, that s a really unique insight.
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I like that because I feel like that s also what challenges people in their personal relationships.
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because not only are people not on and off the field in business, they don t know how to switch it off when they go home.
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And so your wife and your kids or your husband or your partner or whoever it may be ends up getting that same treatment as you do at work because you haven t reached that maturity level of knowing how to, and it s not as easy as a light switch.
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Like it s not just, oh, I m work hat off, work hat on.
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It doesn t work like that.
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And your partner, depending on what they do, you might be off the field.
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They might be on the field.
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They want to be on the field.
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Because they re going through their thing.
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It s just like, that s what it is.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So yeah, we just I just got back from tour and we went to Bali for a couple of weeks just to relax with me and my wife.
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And it s so funny because she s actually she s a vegan chef and recipe developer and incredible with knows everything about Ayurveda and herbs and nutrition.
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And she s made me very healthy compared to what I used to be.
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But she s on the field right now because her career is booming.
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She s doing incredibly well.
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And it s so fun to watch.
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And it s so funny because I was like, yeah, we re going to Bali.
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She was like, you know what?
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I think we re going there for a bit long.
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And I was like, that was me.
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Like I used to say that like five years ago.
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And so it s just like, okay, it s not only your life.
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You have two people and you just have to navigate.
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Oh, I m not on the field.
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Okay.
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I got to think about this.
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Maybe even though I want to be there three weeks, maybe it s only a week and a half.
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And I ll just be off the field here.
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I ll figure out what to do.
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yeah yeah and i think it s hard because i think yeah we struggle when you ve done for other people too when you ve said things when you re on the field
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it s hard for the person, especially in business, for now to view you differently when you re off the field.
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It s- Every marriage, every relationship, every personal situation changes after 10 years.
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I was, I m not the same person I was from 95 to 2005.
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I m not the same person from 2005 to 2015.
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I m definitely not the same person from 15 now.
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And yeah, people s viewpoints of me as probably what it was in 97, 98.
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And let me just say something.
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That guy was not, I mean, he was a good guy, but he was always on the field and he was a shame, nervous, angry fighter.
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Not that I m not aspects of those things working on them, but.
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Yeah, yeah, that changes.
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And when they come into your relationship, they have all this, now they can read everything, see everything, and like, oh, that s the guy.
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Or not.
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That s why I m doing this, dude.
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I m such a gentle, nice, hugging.
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Well, no, the reason why I also enjoy these conversations is because I think I struggle with that in perception too, where I feel people believe that someone who is mindful or meditative has to be a certain way at all times.
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Do you know when you re on the field?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And that s why I love that piece of advice.
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You said it in a way that I think makes it so easy to think about, and that s why I really appreciate it.
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And that s exactly what it is for me.
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And my team knows that.
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They can see that when I m in the zone and I m not, or when I m winning my home kit or away kit.
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However you put it.
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Yes, I like that, home kit.
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Yeah, home jersey, away jersey.
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And I can feel that.
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And I think that
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You have to know that, but I think the idea is that we like to simplify people because it makes it easier for us to... But if you re going after the stack, and that s the goal, right?
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Which is like crazy.
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I agree.
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It s so arbitrary, the stack.
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You re always on the field.
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Yeah.
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What you don t realize is you can be happy at whatever the level of stack is.
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Yeah.
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there s just a different way to think about it.
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And you will get to a very big stack by figuring out this first, when you re on the field and when you re off the field.
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Absolutely.
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And I think that s the difference.
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I wanted to ask you the difference in success and happiness or success and contentment, because it sounds like you ve worked on both and tried to be conscious of both.
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How have you seen the difference and how do you work on that?
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I was never content before.
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Probably the first 20 years of business.
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I mean, I was just, I was going to prove everybody wrong.
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I was going to prove to myself I wasn t stupid.
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I was, and I was just running hard.
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When I say this word, that doesn t mean that I m not in business.
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I m content.
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And all the things I thought about that I wanted to accomplish and how I saw the world kind of played out.
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I m a really lucky guy.
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I m comfortable that I m not stupid.
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And i got a lot more i want to accomplish because i want to accomplish it not to get the stack any bigger and i m happy doing that.
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That s a completely different place from the first twenty years where i had no idea i just.
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I thought about the stack and what success was in such a.
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different way than I think about it now.
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And do you think everyone, there s that brilliant quote from Jim Carrey, where he said that everyone should become rich and famous and achieve everything they ever wanted just to realize that it s not the point.
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Do you think that there is something- He said that?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, that s genius.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I love that statement because I feel like there s something about pursuing success as you see it, which may not be a perfect definition.
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Right.
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experiencing some success and then going, well, wait a minute, this wasn t it.
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And I feel like, because you always hear successful people say, oh, it isn t there, but it s almost like, I think, oh, I m happy where I am.
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I m really, I m so glad that it played out.
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Those statements are actually accurate.
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You know, like it s enabled me now to kind of, when I started this 12 years or whatever, to get to this place, I m not sure I would have ever gotten to it.
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Yeah, with a different mindset.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And in 95, you had a big accident, right?
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Like there was something that really woke you up.
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It was 93.
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93.
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I was working at ICM.
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There was a breakfast place called Kate Manolini s.
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I was walking down Wilshire.
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It was about three blocks away.
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Coming back, and just sitting on the curb, I said to myself, I was going to the breakfast, like, wow, you know, I got to move back from this curb.
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These cars could hit you.
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And I was not in the street.
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Cut to I m walking back from breakfast in the crosswalk right outside of where the ICM building was.
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In a flatbed truck, didn t see me, took a left onto Wilshire, hit my left side, nine o clock in the morning, Friday.
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Guess what happens?
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Your life changes.
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Your life s not a dress rehearsal.
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I was laying in there, I just wiggled my fingers and toes, I said, okay, I m not crippled.
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kind of, I was outside my body screaming.
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I was laying there watching myself scream.
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And then I just said to myself, life s not a dress rehearsal.
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I did a rehab because I couldn t bend my leg.
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And then I did a surgery on my leg and then I did another rehab.
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So that was 18 months of hell.
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And then I said, what do you want to do?
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And I definitely didn t want to be at ICM.
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What was the phrase I used to hear when I was at ICM back in the day?
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I cover myself.
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That s what it stood for.
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So there was no camaraderie, culture, anything.
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And so me and three other guys decided to start when I could be healthy and we kind of got it in 95 on my birthday, March 29th.
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let loose.
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So, and that, that was the catalyst to say, life s not a dress rehearsal.
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You were to get to what you want to get to.
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And that kind of thesis is at the 20 year mark change in how I look at life and am I still going to be that angry guy?
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And you know,
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all the different routes we all take in our lives to get to where the end is, so.
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Yeah.
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Did you try and change certain aspects of the culture based on that statement that you built or did you find that?
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I just wanted to treat people well, you know, inside and share clients and communicate better.
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And there was a guy by the name of Phil Raskin, the first employee.
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And they fired him.
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In the Israeli army, you don t let anybody stay.
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You know, you go get the bodies.
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So I said, you re hired.
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Now, we had no money.
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We were not making any money.
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And I said, we re hiring you if they re firing you.
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And how we treat people was kind of the crucial thing different about how we did things.
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I think one of them.
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And I think it s progressive.
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I don t know if it s perfect now.
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You ll have to ask the guys running the agency right now, but I think overall I hope people feel that way.
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what was it like building something from scratch when there wasn t any money?
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Because I feel like it s easy to look at you now and every, you know, it s.
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Well, there was two years.
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Yeah.
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And.
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No salary cause you re out on your own.
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There s.
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Well, we were being, we were, we were in a tussle with ICM over commissions and cause we couldn t take the commissions cause they say they deserved it cause you re in a contract, this whole like, and they were going to sue us for certain things.
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And, um, and so we had no money.
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I mean, we,
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New things we had money but a lot of stuff was old stuff about a year and a half two years in we settled i might be getting dates wrong but right around then and then we had money and in that period of time the world change michael was left the business who was the god.
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and Ron Meyer, Bill Haber, and then Gavin Pallone left this company, UTA.
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And a lot of shifting happened.
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And we had put on, we had taken a couple people from CA, Marty Ailman, and we put on a bunch of TV shows that were successful.
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And we had money because of those, because they were going into syndication and packages.
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And so it was like free agency and baseball.
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We have money and people are like shifting, what are they doing?
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And we were home.
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We got, you know, we re just timing and we were in the right place at the right time.
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What was the hardest thing you had to do in those two years?
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You just had to work, you know, with nobody.
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Just putting the time.
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Just putting the time.
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And you were doing 17 hour, 18 hour days.
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Wife was pregnant at the time, my ex-wife, with our eldest.
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And keep on building and how are we going to do it?
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you know, the five of us, I think Marty would have joined.
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And then two and a half years in Patrick Whitesell had joined and just kind of how we keep on progressing and, and doing it like with no, none of us had ever done it before.
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We were all, as my father was saying in Yiddish, we were all pishers, you know, the small nothings.
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And so we just figured it out.
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But, but, but, you know, it wasn t like, oh, we went from no money to, uh, it was nothing.
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And it was, we were happy.
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Yeah.
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We were really happy because we were in our own heads.
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It was, it was successful and it was hard, but we had fun.
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Yeah, while I was a student and before I ever started doing things online, I used to do events in my local area in London and like 10 people would show up every week to hear me speak about spirituality, psychology, human behavior.
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I loved it.
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I did it for 10 years before.
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So you get into school to possibly be a banker.
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Yeah.
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And then what, what, not that this, we re going to reverse the interview.
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What was the transition to like, Oh, I don t want to do this.
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What happened in your mind or, or, or life event?
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So I think life event that I met a monk,
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And I d never met a monk before at school.
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So they would come in, we d have speakers come in, whether it would be CEOs or athletes or celebrities or former alumni or whatever it may be.
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And one day a monk was invited to speak at a small college session and some of my friends were getting- A business session.
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No, no, no, not a business session.
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Just a general.
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Just a general, like, yeah.
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And I was invited to go because some of my friends were getting into meditation at the time.
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This is early, like, we re talking about, like, 2006, 2007.
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So we were doing that, and it was, and my friends were kind of getting into that space, so they were telling me to come along.
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And I was like, yeah, I ll go if we go to a bar afterwards.
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Like, that s the kind of guy I was growing up.
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And so I went along.
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And you weren t married at the time?
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No, no, I m 18 years old.
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I m 18 years old.
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I had to start college around that time.
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And so I go to this event and I hear this monk speak and I m kind of there going, okay, when are we going to leave?
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Like, who cares about this stuff?
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What, how does this benefit my life?
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And I actually walked away feeling completely just reflective because this monk was saying that the greatest gift
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was to use your skills in the service of others.
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Like he was saying that whatever you ve been given, use that.
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That was his main theme.
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That was his main theme, to improve other people s lives.
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And it was like, I d never heard that from anyone before at 18.
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And I realized that when I was 18, I d met people who were rich and famous and beautiful and powerful.
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And you thought that was the stack.
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Yeah, but I was like, this guy seems happy, he seems content.
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He has something that- At what point in the lecture did that hit you?
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Because at one point you re sitting there, let s go get some beers.
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Yeah, at the beginning I was kind of like, okay, what is he going to say when he came out?
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And you know, he s dressed in robes and he was from India and like, you know, I m a kid in London.
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Like, you know, there s nothing externally attractive about him.
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And then as he spoke, like as I actually listened to him, I was just mesmerized.
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And so I said to him, I just want to follow you around.
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So I ended up following him around for the rest of that week.
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He was doing events in London, homes and different things, and then at temples.
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And then I started visiting him in my summer and Christmas vacations in India.
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Wow.
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And then when I graduated from college, I went and actually lived with him as a monk for three years in India in the UK.
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And what did your parents say?
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They were like completely like scared and worried.
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What s going on with our student?
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Yeah, and all of our friends and family, he s been brainwashed.
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It was like, it s really interesting because, and I ll talk to this about perception.
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It s really interesting because everyone now is kind of like, oh Jay, you just, you know, this is a good story.
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And I m like, dude, when I chose to become a monk, it was not a good story.
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People thought it was the dumbest idea of all time.
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Like it was like career suicide.
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Like this poor kid, what happened?
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Like what happened to this kid who got a first class honors degree at university, straight A s, you know, like what is going on here?
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And all of a sudden I m taking this path.
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Your parents must have freaked out.
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My parents freaked out and my extended family freaked out even more, which made my parents freak out more.
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They came from India?
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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So that upbringing and that
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going back that way.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So, and, but I felt called.
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I started listening to my inner voice when I was 14 years old and it s been so loud ever since.
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I don t know any other way to go.
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And so for me, it was so, so loud.
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And so that was the shift in my trajectory where.
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So you come out after three years, what happened?
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I hoped I d do it forever.
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Uh, and that I really thought I was going to do it for the rest of my life.
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It did not work out.
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And so what was, why?
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A couple of things.
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One thing was like, it s super tough on your health to live communally.
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Like when you re living potentially sometimes with 30 people in a room, a hundred people in a room, people wake up at different times, you re being woken up by everyone, the common cold, you re sharing baths, showers, like, you know, like the space is like, everything s communal in that space.
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It s hard on my, it was hard on my immune system to live in that way.
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Of course, I m a kid from London.
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Like I didn t grow up with lots of comforts, but it was definitely more comfortable than a monastery.
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And then on top of all of that, I just had this,
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honest transparency, and that s what monk teachings are meant to do.
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It s meant to make you self-aware.
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And my self-awareness was, I m quite independent and I m quite a rebel.
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I like doing things my way.
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And I feel- This is not that.
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This is not that.
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I feel like I want to share what I ve learned in this cool, accessible, relevant way.
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Where the world is.
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Yeah, where the world is, which is the world I come from.
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And if I stay here, then I m actually going to be pretending to be someone I m not.
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And so it s like, I m going to go back and be myself.
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That s a big thought.
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It was, it was, and I had no idea what that meant then, but I just know that it was loud and that it was real and that- It had to happen.
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It had to happen.
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It was, you know, I think, it s funny, your brother said this about you.
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He said that, he said this in his book, Brother s Manual, the speed, danger, and risk that make other people nervous make guys like Ari serene.
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And I want to dive into that with you, but for me, that s what it was, that
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You didn t know where it was, but you knew you had to be on that road.
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Yes.
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And I don t know how to stop myself.
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I can t pretend to myself is where I ve always been.
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Like I have to be all of myself.
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And when decisions are against the grain and no one agrees, chances are I m on the right path.
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And so even when I came back, then I had the opposite where everyone around me was like, you wasted three years.
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Look at everyone around you.
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They ve got jobs now.
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What are they saying now?
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Yeah.
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Well, I mean, obviously it changes now.
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What?
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Obviously it changes now, but it s anyway.
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Isn t it unbelievable?
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I had this, I sent this email out to the company.
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You know, most people think success is this.
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Yeah.
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That s success.
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Yeah.
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And that you just, it s your journey.
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Yeah.
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And it just, you don t know where it s still going, but it s probably going to go this way and then it s going to go that, you know.
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Yeah.
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How have you had the courage, going back on that same point, how have you had the courage to be open to speed, danger, and risk when other people thought, especially what I think
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we don t recognize is as you become more successful, as you make bigger decisions, it s not that just more doors open.
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Sometimes there s even more doubt because now people are like, can he, can he get the next one right?
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Most people don t want to risk it all.
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Correct.
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Once you get to them, like, why would I risk that?
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Correct.
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Like, why do that?
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You re, it s going to be on a perfect glide path.
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Yeah.
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So I ve said this before in certain interviews.
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I don t remember exactly which one.
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When you re in a class,
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And you re figuring out where to sit in the class because you think you ve psychologically figured out if I sit here, the teacher won t call on you to read.
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And you re so anxious and you re so nervous and you re so afraid.
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It s not like I don t get anxious about big deals.
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I mean, I got really sick doing the UFC deal.
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Moving to London, not great for four months when we took over, right?
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Yeah, so what?
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You know, I m not nervous about those things.
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I don t know why.
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It s just my upbringing, you know, things I went through that I could get over.
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So working hard.
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doing all the things, showing up, you know, getting on that plane for the lunch in China and then flying back after the lunch.
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That s kind of how I operate my life.
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I don t know how, what my mom fed me or did and my dad.
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But yeah, I m not worried about the hard work, and all of it takes hard work, as you know.
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And I m not trying to prove to anybody what, I m not letting their definition of success, not success, what I should do, what I shouldn t do, dictate.
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what I want to do like you.
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I got my own ideas about what I want to do.
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I just keep on following them.
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Hopefully I keep on getting in tune with my voices, definitely listening to people in my life that I trust.
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But then, you know, it s like, okay, it s time to bet.
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And like we just did with WWE and doing something new and here s what we re going to do.
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Yeah.
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Those are not easy decisions.
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And
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Yeah, it s really interesting because even... But I m very comfortable in the uncomfortable.
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I m really comfortable in the uncomfortable.
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I think when most people don t like uncomfortable conversations, don t like to be uncomfortable in business, don t like that,
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I do enjoy that a lot.
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I like awkward.
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I m comfortable in awkward.
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I like just saying what it is.
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I do not care.
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You can like me, not like me.
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I was never one of the cool guys.
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I m good.
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I think it was so funny because Mike Milken was sitting in your seat yesterday, just here.
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And it was interesting because there s this shared experience of there s a healed sense of self-worth, but then there s this embracing our own insignificance.
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Like you just said, you re like, I m also insignificant.
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And it s really interesting because everyone who s kind of has a settled mind.
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I m not sure people get to the second one.
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But we need to.
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Why do you think we don t get there?
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I ve had this conversation with many people, this concept of legacy.
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And once you actually believe it, not just say it.
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I mean, presidents have legacies, I guess.
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Some entertainers have legacies, sports stars have legacies, business people.
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No, they don t have legacies.
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And once you get to that point and comfortable in that point, this whole concept that what s my legacy, which is a jerk off conversation, you can move past a lot of this stuff.
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Yeah.
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We re sitting there, what s my legacy?
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Yeah, it s a bad question.
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It s a bad question.
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Like that s why you re doing it.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Oh my God, that s crazy.
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Yeah.
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It s, I, you know what, I think it comes from, I think we never get to embrace our own insignificance because we re scared of where it leads to low self-esteem.
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So there s that angle, but that definitely, I don t have that.
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Yes, exactly.
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But the deeper angle, which is what you re raising is that I think as humans, we re so addicted to immortality.
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because at least from a spiritual point of view, our consciousness and energy is immortal.
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And there s such a addiction to immortality and longevity that we have, that for us to live after we die, we think the only way.
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Go for it.
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I mean, I am a crazy health nut.
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I mean, I do some crazy stuff.
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Yeah, and I m into it too.
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I m really, really crazy.
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But for me,
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It s not about living forever, it s about being healthy while I live.
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As long as I am, because I see people that are older that are prisoners in their bodies as when they get to their 60s, 70s, 80s.
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I m not doing that.
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The best thing that could happen is it s over, would be incredible, and you die in your sleep.
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Like, it s over.
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But until that point in time, I m playing golf, I m going on hikes, I m surfing, I m doing my thing.
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This whole thing about, this whole world of, and I hack.
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I hack myself to do that, but it s not to live to ever.
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And so that s the objective.
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Yes, yeah.
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No, I get that, and I m totally aligned with that.
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I feel the same way.
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I don t think it s- What s the craziest thing you do for your health?
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I mean, because I m still young, there s certain things that people don t recommend yet.
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And so I ve been talking to people about stem cell treatments and things like that.
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I don t know if you ve done any stem cell therapy or anything like that.
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No.
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But okay, so I haven t done any of it either, but everyone s always like, Jay, you re too young to start these kinds of things right now.
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But I d say the craziest thing I do right now is, same as you, the fasting, the cold plunging, the infrared saunas, the deep rest and sleep, the meditation has been a part of my life for 17, 18 years.
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You gotta push steel.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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You gotta do weights.
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I had to stop that last year.
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I had surgery, so I had to stop.
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But yes, I usually do weight training.
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You have to do that.
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You have to do stuff for your CO2, your oxygen, your ability.
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How old are you now?
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35.
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Yeah, so you re right if you do now, right?
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Yeah, this is the time, yeah.
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You gotta reduce as much as you can your inflammation.
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You gotta have gut health.
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Yes, this is exactly it.
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And then you have to figure out how to balance your glucose.
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If you can do those things, you have
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35% chance of getting to the objective of one night, you just don t wake up.
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Are you plant-based as well?
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Or do you try to be plant-based?
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Here s what it is, because I m 62.
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Wow.
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So I was a lectin-free vegan.
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following Dr. Gundry s, who got me, when I had my thyroid problem, really healthy.
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The problem is now, because I do push a lot of steel, I do do heavy cardio, I do do a lot of that stuff, I have to have some protein in my diet.
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So I have moved up.
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to probably very healthy, you know, grass-fed, grass-finished, no corn in it, all the stuff that causes inflammation, I have moved up into probably three or four days of meat.
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And then the rest, lectin-free vegan.
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Yeah.
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What s the craziest therapy you ve done?
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You mentioned earlier there was some different stress therapies.
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Well, I do, I, you know, I take helmets from Thailand and from the UK every morning.
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I do light therapy every morning after the cold plunge.
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I mean, if I showed you the list now, you d be like, or you ve lost the plot, Ari.
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No, I love it.
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That s why you look that good.
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Here s what happens though.
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As I go down all these paths, I always call my brother Zeke.
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And I only have the following question, and then he has to do the work, and I do work too.
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I said, okay, can it kill me?
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Can it injure me or hurt me?
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If the answer comes back no,
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I do it.
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So I started on, they re, you know, they re live microbes, they re microscopy, you can t see them.
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I drink them every morning now.
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I ve gotten to a place where I do that.
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I worked with this guy from Duke as I read an article about him.
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And people are like, what are you doing?
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Like, and I say the great line to them and say, watch their facial expression.
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I said, well, they don t colonize in your system.
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And you know, you can see them like, and so this goes to like,
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All right, I m not, I m just going to try these things as long as it can t hurt me.
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Um, the list is vast.
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Yeah.
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It s great.
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No, it s great.
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I think it s, I mean, this is where, this is where the world s heading and I think everyone s looking for solutions and looking for ways.
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So I love hearing about it from you and it s, and it s great and it shows, right?
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I feel like you, you seem really vibrant, energetic and, and I think that s the key, right?
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It s vitality.
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I think.
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Well, but the back is not turned into a mouse that s hunched over.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Have you ever seen those?
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Absolutely.
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That scares me.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I will do anything not to, because then it s not, you re gonna be a prisoner in your body.
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Yeah, yeah, that s a powerful statement.
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That s not where you wanna be in life.
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Yeah, talking about athletic bodies, you talked about what you did with the WWE there.
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I remember when you first got involved with the UFC, there was a lot of doubt as to how big it could get, I believe, or there was a bit of skepticism.
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How do you,
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How do you, when you re making a decision that s big money, big risk and danger going back to that point, but then everyone else is like, oh, it s a lot of risk.
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This is like, don t know if it s going to work out.
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But then you re like, no, I know where this is going to go.
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How do you, how have you found that confidence?
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I mean, the first thing that I do, I mean, I m assuming you do it.
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Anybody successful do it.
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I read a lot.
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Yeah.
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And I, I, I ask a lot of questions too.
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Once I read an article, if I understand it, don t understand it, I want, I call the person or I call the person in the article.
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And that happened early on how we started the firm.
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We were in the representation business.
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And then I said, well, we have all this business.
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I want to buy something that we own.
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I thought sports was going someplace that with increased distribution, it was going to be more valuable.
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And so it was like, there s not many sports you can own.
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I was already in business with UFC.
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We did all the work about where we could take the economics internationally sponsored.
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It was an easy bet.
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And it worked out.
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Well, the world changed on me at the time for the, like Fox sold to Disney.
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So those two buyers out, Donald Trump wouldn t let
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AT&T buy Time Warner, so those two buyers are out, and the rest of the, they didn t, nobody else wanted it at the time, because they had already had too much service.
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So it was nerve wracking for a while, but then the world changed.
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Yeah.
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It s fascinating to me, because I think that everyone in their micro universe, or any universe, is always having to make tough decisions that a lot of people around them don t understand.
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Whether someone listening to this right now is trying to start a new health regime, whether someone s trying to- So there s not a pill.
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And anything we do, as we now know, there s not like, because I don t know about you, people come to me, so what s the one thing?
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One thing.
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There is no one thing.
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I do 17 things.
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And it s grown from 10.
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I don t like being asked the one thing.
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It doesn t work.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
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And that s why the questions I m asking you, I m fascinated by the thought process.
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Well, you re, you re just, you re in our lives, we re just gathering information, gathering thought process, gathering, gathering perspectives.
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And then we go hunting for things that we want to do and where we think the world s going.
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And then once you get to that point, like, okay, you talk to a lot of people, you have to, for me, talk to investors, et cetera.
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Then you re launched.
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And then there s, I think, and I might get this story wrong, Disney, when they bought Cap Cities, which had ESPN, they valued ESPN at zero at the time.
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And when it came out, it was the most valuable asset.
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Again, success, right?
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Who knows?
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You know, you can do all the work you can do.
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And then all of a sudden, get into the pool.
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The water s warm.
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Dude, you ve got to start swimming.
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Yeah, and that s what I think.
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I think there is so much pressure around making the right decision as opposed to making your decision right.
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I think a lot of people spend a lot of time going, is this the right decision?
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Is this the right thing to invest in?
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I m like, well, make the decision and then make it right.
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It s just the way we started it.
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How many people can handle change and fear the, I mean, you just have to be comfortable in the uncomfortable.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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What have you seen?
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You ve worked with talent.
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I know you still do in some intimate ways.
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I work with a lot of talent.
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Okay, you still do, all right.
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I ve heard you say it, but I was thinking, but you re working with,
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the business as well as much as, yeah, exactly.
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So when you re working with talent, what have you seen has been the, because I think it was interesting, I was saying when I was young, everyone wanted to be an investment banker.
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Now we know in America, most people want to be influencers, creators, something to do with YouTube.
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What have you seen have been the best choices that talent have made long-term for their successful careers or where are some of the mistakes people have made?
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I think most talent now realizes
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they re the ass and it s kind of moving towards them.
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And a lot of them are starting to try and figure out like, okay, what does that mean?
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Can I own other businesses?
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Can I get equity?
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Will it be Ryan Reynolds, Dwayne Johnson, Mark Wahlberg, these people, right?
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And I think that s been at that level.
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We re going to go through a whole iteration right now with AI that is going to, I think,
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I don t know what it s going to do, but it s going to transfer one more time our business.
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I think in a good way, in that I think people are going to have more free time than ever.
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They re going to want movies.
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They re going to want entertainment.
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They re going to need more.
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I think we re going to go down to a permanent four-day work week.
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Governments are going to need it for full employment.
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And that means the weekend is starting on Thursday night.
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And that means that s three days where people need personal interaction.
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And so the value proposition especially as distribution changes gonna go to six wifi.
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You are now seeing more distribution rumble picking up shows rogue i mean it s just expanding expanding.
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Our job is to create a place where our talent can create really for the first time even more exponentially become their own brands and own businesses and do things that they not just a movie not just to tell other things and we ll be successful for them and they ll be successful as long as we can create this kind of perfect architecture and we re not perfect at it yet but we re getting better at it and those are the clients that we want to be in business across
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podcast, all the different things.
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And that s the hardest thing that we re trying to build now in this transition.
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But that s where I think the world is going.
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When the Taliban banned music in Afghanistan, millions were plunged into silence.
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Radios were smashed, cassettes burned.
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You could be beaten or jailed or killed for breaking the rules.
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And yet, Afghans did it anyway.
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This is the story of how a group of people brought music back to Afghanistan by creating their own version of American Idol.
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The danger they endured.
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They said my head should be cut off.
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The joy they brought to the nation.
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You re free completely.
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No one is there to destroy you.
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I m John Legend.
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Listen to Afghan Star on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Interesting.
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Four day work weeks.
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I think that s, I think, I think even if it s unofficial, I, I, I don t know governments, I think because of AI and I m saying probably in two, three, four years for full employment and they re going to need it for social non unrest, you re going to have, and you know, you have COVID, that s almost a four day work week now because people don t go into the office on Fridays.
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That means
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Thursday night, what are you doing?
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Well, I m in the entertainment, that s the objective.
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And so that s what we ve been building, like events, Madrid Open, Barrett-Jackson, art show, et cetera.
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And that s where I think the world s gone, sporting events, et cetera.
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So I think entertainment s gonna become more valuable than it s ever become.
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I don t think it will be as disrupted by AI.
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There ll be some disruption in it.
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Yeah.
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It s, it s incredible to think about that because yeah, I think people are only looking for more alternatives and options, especially for that human connection point you were talking about.
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How have you found it as a leader to have that where you ve gone from everyone being in an office in an agency to then people working from home, like how have you navigated that to continue that, like,
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Well, listen, we have, you know, we ve, we, we had done this a long time ago.
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We just restarted.
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We did a, we did a, a, a book club, not the way we used to do with on, with Rick Rubin on his new book.
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We do, we d had a lecture on antisemitism.
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We re trying to get people in groups talking about big issues to kind of keep the company together from, you know, we re in, I don t know, 37 countries so that people get to,
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there s a communal and they were going to start a big retreat again, which we hadn t done in a lot of years because of COVID.
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So that s the way we foresee doing that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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And I think that that s, that just keeps, hopefully.
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Yeah.
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And we just have to keep on working on how we keep that connection.
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ongoing in the company.
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Because you do want, the architecture, right?
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You do want the licensing group talking to the motion picture group, talking to the online location group to create an experience.
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And you want all those pieces.
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And the outside world and the clients is asking for it too.
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So that s where we have to... Yeah, I worked with so many organizations before and during mainly the pandemic and then even after.
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And the transitions I ve seen are incredible because whether a company was
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growing rapidly.
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So I was working with Zoom.
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They were having the best success as a company financially, but it was like they had to scale like what was a small organization really quickly.
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And so like the burnout that comes with that is really, really hard.
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And then you had other organizations, obviously like travel, entertainment, live entertainment, down, struggling with that and handling morale.
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And so it s really interesting to see how they both bounce back because it was hard either way.
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And it s really, you always think, oh, they re successful.
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They don t,
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It s hard, success is hard.
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I promise you it s hard for them now.
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Yeah, of course it is.
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Of course it is.
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It s so complicated.
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It s really complicated now.
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Yeah, success is hard and failure is hard.
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Running a business, I don t, any one of them?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Brutal.
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Yeah.
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What have been some of your, what would you say the last few years has been one of your biggest misses or your biggest failures that you look back and go, that taught me a lot?
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Well, I ll say the following, because it was a success.
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And it was only success because I thought we had shut everything down.
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And Dana White at the OC said to me, uh-uh, we re not shutting down.
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I got scared.
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And he slapped me across the face and said, no, we re going.
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And then he said, get me an island.
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And I was like, my brother s a doctor.
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He s telling me where the world s going.
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And he was like, mm-mm.
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And he was just driving that train.
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And so we got him an island, and he did everything else.
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you know, kind of just remind me like, yeah, it s nerve wracking, but don t be scared.
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And he was like amazing.
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And I was like on the other side of that fence.
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And I said, you know, and that s why I have a great partner.
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He s an incredible partner.
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But I, for the first time got really scared and he just said, no, we just have to go and we re going to take all the heat for it.
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And it was a lot of heat against him.
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And, but we did it.
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If we didn t have that, the whole company would have been tanked.
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Because we needed the ESPN deal to continue to go, we needed to put on fights.
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And his courage, like, dragging me along was incredible.
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the industry today, I feel like cancel culture, heat cult, like it s got, it s got hotter basically because there s more people to cancel.
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There s more things that people are sensitive or care about or believe in and values.
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Like how do, how do you as a talent agent think about artists going through that?
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Because I m sure you ve seen over the years just, so I coach a lot of people in the music business, actors, like sports people.
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I coach so many people in the industry.
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Don t jump in the water because most people want to respond.
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The news cycle is so fast.
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Unless you ve committed murder and something, whatever, let it go.
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The thought process is, I gotta jump in and respond.
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Then the story just continues.
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The news cycle, I used to say it s like one day.
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It s less than a half a day now.
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And if you just get out of this emotional mindset that you have to respond and they have to know, really?
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Nobody s even, like, it s over.
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Don t respond.
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And that s kind of, I think, the hardest thing for any artist.
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Yeah.
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How have you, how have you worked with, because I m guessing you, you almost by job have to become a coach sometimes to the people.
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This is my, this is my, this is my line of like, why are you responding?
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Yeah.
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Don t like they want you to respond.
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Cause then they keep on getting the click.
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Yeah.
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I thank God I m not on social media.
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Yeah.
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I won t do it.
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I won t.
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I mean, I get it, you know.
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Sometimes my kids send it to me.
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My wife sends it to me.
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I don t look at it.
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What s something that you re trying to immerse into your children?
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I mean, your son was just calling, you were just talking.
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What s something that you feel you really want them to know and learn at the stages they are in their life right now?
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I think they get it.
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It was so funny, my youngest son,
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is now training, he goes to Michigan, he s working up at Apple right now, at Apple Maps, and he s decided, comes out of his, he s going into his junior year, he s training for a triathlon, a junior.
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What I loved about him is he did the work, and what I mean by did the work, and it was like shocking hearing, I was just such a proud father.
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He talked about how you run better and how the people in Kenya run better because they re on their toes, and he d done all this research about it, and he started doing it.
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First three weeks was brutal on his legs, but he s gotten faster.
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on the bike.
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I have to do it in a box, dad, here s what to do.
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And I ride and do epoxy training and all this stuff. 
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And I said, you re right, it does.
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And he has not stopped training.
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You know, he s 21 years old.
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I remember how I was at 21 years old.
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I wouldn t have been doing that.
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But his work about how to get better,
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He swam double the length this time, he s got a month left, and just the amount of work he s put into it, the thought process behind it, the research he did, I m like, I mean, you couldn t be prouder.
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And all of them, I just try and teach him one thing.
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You gotta work hard, and you gotta show up.
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The results, you re not gonna control.
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If you do those things, and there s many other things that we all can list, but those are kind of,
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It.
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You work really hard.
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You show up.
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Outcomes you can t control, that s what you want.
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Good advice.
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I love that.
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Ari, it s been such a joy talking to you today.
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Thank you.
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It s been such a treat.
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I feel like we ve been playing tennis or pickleball.
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I was going to say, I need a pair of those.
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I want one of those.
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You ll send me the shoe size and everything.
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I want one of those too.
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You have to wear it on the podcast so she gets a little bit of love from you.
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Awesome.
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And I love New Balance too, so that s great.
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There are multiple colors.
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I m going to actually have these in shoes too now.
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I m going to send them all to you.
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Yeah, I want it all.
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They look great.
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They look great.
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It looks great on you too.
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Thank you for doing this.
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I will.
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But we end every show with a final five.
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These have to be answered in one word or one sentence maximum, so it s super tight.
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It s the fast five.
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I better sit up for this.
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Yes.
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Ari, these are your final five.
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The first question is, what is the best advice you ve ever heard or received?
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Know when you re on the field.
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The second question is what is the worst advice you ve ever heard or received?
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I don t know if it was advice, but why would you do that?
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Third question.
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What s something that you re trying to unlearn?
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Being angry.
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That sounds hard.
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It s hard.
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How hard is it?
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Let s, let s talk about that for a second.
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You know, I ll tell you what it is.
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It s, you know, I know when it pops up, like all of a sudden when somebody used to call me stupid in school, it was game on.
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And that thesis where somebody treats me as if I m not smart or they trying to pull something on me.
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I just, I just go to a very dark, sick place and I ve worked very,
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very hard now not to go there, to handle it differently.
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Not that I m not going to be like, what, you think I m stupid?
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By doing that, you re acting as if I don t know what s going on here.
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And so—and they re pulling one over me, and for whatever reason, the minute I feel like somebody s trying to— Yeah, take advantage of you.
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Yeah, I get that.
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And so that is a lot of work.
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That is a constant work.
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And when I feel it coming on, okay,
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That s your shadow.
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Whatever the phrase is, that s the work I have to do.
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And I don t always do it.
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Especially those childhood ones.
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No, but when somebody in business does that to me, recently I kind of like, I went to the bad place, I couldn t control it.
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That s what I m trying to work on.
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What s been helping you work on that?
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It s just kind of like recognizing it.
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Once I recognize it, I can breathe through it and I can get to the other side of it.
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But in the moment sometimes,
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Yeah, thanks for sharing that.
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I feel like, for me as well, I feel like your partners and your family often see the worst of you.
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And I always look at that and was like, what does my wife see?
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And promise you do things that are so not smart.
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Yeah.
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And it s just...
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Not good.
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Then you regret it afterwards.
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I m not sure I regret it, but it s just like, really?
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You had to do that?
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You re 62?
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You had to do that?
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You had to say that?
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You had to make calls and try and kill?
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No, I m not doing that.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Two more questions.
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The fourth question is, what s something that you used to value that you no longer value?
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Well, I thought it was about the stack.
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Now, maybe somebody s going to say, he s got the stack now.
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Yeah.
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But I never had, I didn t have the stack at the beginning and I didn t, I mean, I don t, I, I, that was never the end game.
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What is the end game now?
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I am really happily married.
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I love my kids.
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They re in great shape.
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I m comfortable in who I am.
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I m happy that I have to constantly work at it now, and I m actually in a good place to work at it.
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I understand the work I have to do, which makes it even better.
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All right, fifth and final question.
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We ask this to every guest who s ever been on the show.
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These are longer than one sentence.
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I know, because you keep giving good answers.
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You keep giving good answers.
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I can t help it.
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You gave a really interesting answer.
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I was like, if I don t dive into this, my audience is going to get mad at me.
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They re going to be like, Jay, why didn t you, you know, I listened to my, this is what they re saying in the comments.
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I love your listening to your voice.
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They re telling me, they ll be like, Jay, he just told you like something amazing.
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Why didn t you?
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Fifth and final question, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?
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It can be anything about, any type of law.
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Don t be hypocritical.
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If your whole thing is stay out of my life, okay?
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Stay out of my life on guns, stay out of my life on COVID, just stay consistent.
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And that s the hardest thing because there s the shade of gray, right?
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I just want consistency without like the issue of money.
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The affirmative action issue is, you know, oh, it s sports and legacy people or family, you know, kind of heritage that got into the school.
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Well, that s about money.
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Like, oh yeah, the sports make the money and the people that went there and their kids, they give a lot of money.
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Like, okay, we all get it.
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Like, just stay consistent with
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when we decide to pass a law, like that it is then across the board and the money doesn t get into it and all those other things.
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That s the thing, I just look at these things, I m like, the hypocrisy of, and I m hypocritical.
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All of us.
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I am hypocritical, I understand it.
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I wish that we could figure out a law of that consistency, whatever we decide, so that it s like, okay, if really what you re saying here, and we take it out across all these other issues, here s what it would mean.
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And so everybody gets, I don t know what that law would be.
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No, the essence of the answer is great.
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I love the idea of being consistent and removing hypocrisy and the challenges we have.
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And money.
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Yeah, and we all have it.
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We all like, we ll fight to death for this thing, but actually you don t have to.
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Please don t say all my...
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apocryphal things that I have done out there, right?
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So we all have.
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Well, thank you.
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All right.
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Thank you so much.
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I love.
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Thank you.
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I m glad and I love.
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I m going to send you these.
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I better get a case.
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We re going to send you a whole case.
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Thank you, Ari.
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If you love this episode, you ll love my interview with Dr. Gabor Mate on understanding your trauma and how to heal emotional wounds to start moving on from the past.
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Everything in nature grows only where it s vulnerable.
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So a tree doesn t grow where it s hard and thick, does it?
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It grows where it s soft and green and vulnerable.
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A new season of Bridgerton is here.
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And with it, a new season of Bridgerton, the official podcast.
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I m your host, Gabby Collins.
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And this season, we are bringing fans even deeper into the ton.
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Watch season three of the Shondaland series on Netflix.
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Then fall in love all over again by listening to Bridgerton, the official podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday.