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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur.
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A very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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If you re just searching for that fame thing, whether you re an influencer or whatever, if you re not like creating something, you re trying to share, it doesn t work or it feels really empty really fast and it can t sustain itself.
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But that was, you know, yeah, the working towards not fame, but success, I think connected us really early on.
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I love what I do.
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I ve always loved what I ve done.
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But yeah, I mean, starting out, I slept on the floor of the sports office because I would work the Friday night high school football show.
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And then I would spend the night and I had four sportscasts starting at 6 a.m.
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I would edit, produce, write my own shows, do the shows, do your own makeup.
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You know, as soon as weather came on, you knew you had five minutes before you were on.
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And that was life.
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And it was awesome.
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But flash forward 30 years and I m doing The Bachelor, the biggest, you know, network show, it s as high as you can possibly get.
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I m sleeping in a closet.
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Today, we re sitting down with Chris Harrison, a former host of multiple Bachelor franchise reality TV shows and his wife, Lauren Zima.
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She s a comedian, journalist, and former TV host for Entertainment Tonight.
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We go all over the place.
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So we talk about what happens behind the scenes of reality dating shows, how reality TV has evolved since the first season of The Bachelor, and the original idea behind the show.
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We talk about how to win The Bachelor, the evolution, how Chris got started in TV, how Chris and Lauren met, and her career evolution with journalism.
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Fun fact, we did a swap on their podcast.
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So Michael and I were interviewed by them on After the Final Rose podcast.
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Go check that out.
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On that note, Chris Harrison and Lauren Zima, welcome to The Him and Her Show.
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This is the skinny, confidential him and her.
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This is going to be the most unforgettable, amazing, captivating podcast yet.
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I have Chris Harrison here and his lovely wife, Lauren Zima.
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Welcome to the show.
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Thank you.
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You left out dramatic.
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Oh, dramatic.
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Can you do it?
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Actually, can you enter the podcast?
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This will be the most dramatic podcast ever.
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Which is also the name of our podcast, so it s a really helpful plug.
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That was a nice, easy plug.
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Thank you, guys.
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Four people are here.
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One will be leaving brokenhearted.
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Oh, God.
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In the back of a limo, crying.
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Let s make that come true.
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Let s deliver on one of your lines for once, and someone be in tears by the end of this.
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Let me tell you something about my wife.
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She firmly believes, without a doubt, that she could go on The Bachelorette and win the entire thing.
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It s a game.
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What are you winning?
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It s not, it wouldn t be about for me, like winning the guy.
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I just, I think there s a full strategy.
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So like at the end, you would just, you d get that proposal and you would just drop the ring and just walk off like in your face.
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I won this thing.
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No, I would have, I would have Bethany Frankel situation.
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Like I would have like my water that
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We re going to launch.
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Or like, you know, remember Shane Lomas had like the huge sunglasses.
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Yeah.
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Remember she used to wear those huge sunglasses.
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And when she was wearing them when I was little, I d be like, she s got to launch a sunglass line.
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Like I d be content marketing for the bigger picture.
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You were doing this as a child.
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Oh, that s.
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I loved branding.
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She actually believes that she can edge out all the other women.
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So what s the strategy?
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The strategy is you can t pop your puss the first night.
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Okay.
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But you can t pop your puss in real life too.
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Can I ask the judges, can I get a definition of what that is?
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Is that just putting it all out there?
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That s the name of your new reality show that you re coming back with.
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It s called Pop the Puss.
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Popping the puss is getting too excited too quick.
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Yeah.
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You want to fly under the radar, but here is the caveat to your dreams.
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Producers.
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we re going to get to the bottom of Lauren.
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We re going to push you.
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And if you re not, if you are playing the game and you re not playing it the way we want, we re going to make life very difficult on you.
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And they ve been doing this for a long time.
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We re going, we re undefeated.
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I m game.
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I m game.
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I still think if you will lean in, I ll lean into, no, I would definitely lean into using the producers to the advantage and doing what they needed.
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Right.
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You would be good.
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I think you re savvy enough.
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I think that people get too stuck in the mud and the drama and the minutiae.
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You gotta be, you gotta have big vision.
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I think what you just said is smart that you would align with the producers.
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I think when people try to break apart, it doesn t work out well.
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But wait, Michael, you just said, did you just ask how many women think they could?
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And I want to know that too.
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Like how many people went on the show?
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Everybody who s ever been on a reality show ever thinks
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They re going to come off like the hero, like, oh, I ll never be that person.
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I ll never do this.
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I ll never do this.
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I ll never be seen as this type of person.
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And you will.
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I don t need to be the hero.
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I ll be the villain.
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You ll be the villain.
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Okay.
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I ll be what it takes.
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The villain s not going to win though, probably.
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Okay.
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But then maybe that I ll be like, I won t be, I don t need to be the hero.
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That s like the sweet girl.
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The thing is you want to be good enough.
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TV.
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Okay.
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You re right.
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Fly under the radar.
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Don t pop the push night one, but at some point you got to pop a little.
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And, uh, and yeah, you work with the producers.
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Don t try and be an enemy of the state and try and fight the system because the system will always win because it s their show.
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The editors, the producers are always going to have final say.
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Who s someone who fought against the producers?
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Kelly Flanagan from Peter Weber s season comes to mind for me.
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She was always, remember how she just laid down?
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Like she just took naps.
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She just was not, I don t think she, I can t remember what Kelly s story of coming onto the show was, but I remember thinking, I don t know why she s here, you know?
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Yeah, Juan Pablo.
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Oh, okay.
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Kind of bucked the system and the system turned against him.
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Oh, so what happened there?
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How did that go?
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It was the first time that they turned against a lead and they decided, we re just going to not make him the golden boy.
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We re going to just show him as he is.
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And it didn t come off well.
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You want the bachelor bachelorette to be seen as perfect.
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This person that everyone in the Americas will be willing to leave everything to fall in love with.
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As the show evolved, did you guys need to, or did they need to start kind of moving away from that picture perfect vision to keep it interesting, or was it?
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Well, they had to because we stopped being able to cast those people, right?
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The idea of the show was
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Andrew Firestone.
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Where in the world will you have the opportunity?
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Heir to an American fortune.
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Right.
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Aaron Berge even, who was one of our earlier, who owned a bank.
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Even to the point of Chris Soules, farmer.
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He s this very successful farmer in Iowa.
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If it weren t for the show, this guy wouldn t find love.
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It was the diamond in the rough.
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That was the idea of this fairy tale.
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At some point, I don t know, just casting wise, we stopped casting quality people of that ilk, where it was no longer the diamond in the rough, and it was like, he s an influencer who hasn t really worked in six years.
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He s in tech.
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His name is Michael Boston, and he does a podcast.
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Yeah, and I m like, oh gosh, the fairy tale.
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He s in sales.
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It was harder and harder to sell this fairy tale.
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And I ve talked to people that have been on the show since I have left and they re like, yeah, you know, he doesn t have a job and there s not much to offer.
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And why am I putting myself out there for this?
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And so now you just have these influencers that are on for someone who s unemployed and it s not that attractive.
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And they just want followers.
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Right.
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Can you educate me, because I am maybe not as well versed as all of you on this.
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The early shows, the early days, how many of those relationships actually stayed and stable and made it?
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Not many.
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Not many.
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Trista.
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Trista, yeah, Trista and Ryan.
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Boy, we hung our hat on Trista and Ryan.
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And then we got to Sean Lowe, and we re like, finally, we have someone to hang our hat on with Sean Lowe.
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And he was another good one, where he was still in that golden age of just had a great guy.
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girly true conservative faith based dude that football player.
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Yeah.
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Football player from Kansas state.
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And, and so that those, those relationships, we weren t great at fostering, you know, we had a great show idea.
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The producers like, okay, we got this great show and they did.
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It was a phenomenal groundbreaking concept for television and it changed the genre.
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But what we weren t great at is being therapists.
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We weren t,
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We weren t creating a great environment for people to stay in love.
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The idea of the show was fall in love.
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And then the show ended and we re like, well, we need to facilitate these relationships and help them stay together.
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And we weren t great at that in the beginning.
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We got better over time.
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I want to go back.
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before all of this.
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We just were on you guys  podcast and you talked about how when you were a little boy, you were narrating your brothers playing sports.
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Annoying as shit.
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You wanted to be the host at the talent show.
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I would love for you each to tell your stories of how you guys got interested in hosting separately and doing what you re doing before all of the glamour.
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We came about it very different ways, which we talked, we just had this conversation the other day, because I don t know if my path makes sense anymore.
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The way I used to tell people to get in this business is I went through the local news world.
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I went to college, played soccer, I was a good soccer player, not great, I was good, got a scholarship.
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And when I was in school, I found Mass Comm and media and TV, and I had a guy there reach out to me and say, hey, I m looking for someone to do play-by-play for the basketball team.
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I went to Oklahoma City University, a really small NAI school in Oklahoma City, and I started doing play-by-play for my basketball team.
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I don t do drugs, but it was like drugs.
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As soon as that hit my veins, I m like, this is what I m meant to do.
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I no longer cared about soccer.
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I no longer cared about that path, and this is all I really wanted to do, and I became a sportscaster for KWTV in Oklahoma City, the local CBS affiliate.
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I was a weekend morning guy.
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Then I became the third guy on the team, the reporter.
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Then I took over the weekend, the number two spot.
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I was working my way up and just wanted to move back home to Dallas, which is where I m from, and be a sportscaster.
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I was on the road to doing that when I got a call to move out to L.A.
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and start up a horse racing network for all things.
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When I got to L.A., this whole world opened up.
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I was so green and so naive.
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I always say desperation is the world s worst cologne.
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When you re desperate and you re in Hollywood, you reek of it, right?
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You have this desperate, like, I want to be an actor.
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And I had a good gig.
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I was making what I thought was a crap ton of money doing this horse racing thing.
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So I just started auditioning for stuff.
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I was doing TV shows.
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I did movies.
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I was having so much fun.
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And I think because a, I wasn t desperate and I was a fresh face, I started getting hired for all kinds of stuff.
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And I did game show, did a home and garden show called designers challenge that did really well.
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did a you know mall mall of america was a mall masters at mall of america in minneapolis did that.
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So did a bunch of stuff and then the bachelor came around and i got that gig and i was like but it was.
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It wasn t the bachelor it was just a reality show no one had heard of reality tv survivor had just started when i got the gig.
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And you know you look back on it and you think oh my god that was groundbreaking it was not at the time.
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But I will tell you, as a little girl, I remember tuning into the first season of The Bachelor.
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Remind me who the first one was.
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Alex Michelle.
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Alex Michelle.
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Yes.
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You may have not even tuned into the first one.
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A lot of people think- No, I did.
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I did.
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I did.
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I can picture it.
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I remember that the show was really avant-garde.
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I don t know how I knew that as a little girl, but there was a- Because what else besides Survivor was similar to that?
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Nothing.
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Survivor was a game show.
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Survivor was groundbreaking, but it came out of Eco Challenge, which was a brilliant show that was on Discovery or something like that.
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Burnett had done, and then he got Survivor on the air.
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He shopped it around town.
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Of course, the famous story is no one wanted it, and he paid for it himself, which is why he made a buttload of money because he owned, it was a timeshare, right?
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And so he owned the advertising.
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And so survivor was on, but it was a game show that we could all understand, right?
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It was groundbreaking, but understandable because it was a game.
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The bachelor was no, no longer a game.
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There was nothing on the line.
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We weren t offering you a million dollars.
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We offered you nothing.
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In fact, the whole catch was it was like Seinfeld.
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The show s about nothing.
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You were at the end left with, are you going to choose love?
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And that s it.
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Camera stop game over.
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You got a ring.
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Yeah, but there s no house.
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There s no million dollars.
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There s no, I guess you re right.
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There s love.
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Yeah, that s it.
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People love love.
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Is that important enough?
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And the answer was yes.
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We all have an insatiable appetite for love.
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You re right.
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You were asking that question and the answer was yes.
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Everybody like that s everybody s ultimate goal, right?
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Is true love.
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I want to get back to that chapter, but I want to hear, Lauren, about how you got into what you were doing.
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Yeah, I think I was the.
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Kind of the turning point of what he s talking about, like this local news thing not being a path anymore, like I studied journalism in school, he and I both did.
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I went to Mizzou Great Journalism School, University of Missouri, and we I was in school being brought up to learn like you re going to start a really small market and local news and then you might get to like a
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Dallas or Chicago or then LA and New York and it s this path.
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But then kind of by the time I graduated, that was when the recession hit.
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And that was when like online video was starting like 2009 and everything was changing.
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And when I graduated, I got offered a weekend anchor gig.
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And I turned it down, which felt kind of crazy.
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But I was like, I don t want to.
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I was young.
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I didn t have responsibilities to anyone.
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And I thought, I don t want to make this local news choice.
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And luckily at that time, like, I could do it and it was fine.
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So instead, I took an internship at Variety in L.A.
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And then from there, I actually realized I didn t really love LA as much as I thought I would.
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So I took this startup job back in the Midwest at a company called Newsy, which was being very avant-garde and doing only online news video.
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And then long story short, Entertainment Tonight, which was an older school brand, came to Newsy trying to figure out how we were making all this online news video and offered me a job on the spot.
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And then I moved back to LA and started working at Entertainment
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I was, I was looking at the date, but you asked me like the listener and a lot of our listeners are under the age of 25.
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And I say that because, and I m going to tell the story about Lauren and correct me if I m wrong.
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She studied television broadcasting.
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And I remember when we first started dating 2008, 2009, 10 around that area.
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I remember her getting up early and going to news stations because you had to like go and guest and do things for those stations to be put, to get a chance to be able to be put on
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a show or television and i reason i bring this up is.
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I don t think so many i don t think people realize how fortunate we are now to live in a time where you can get on this.
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And potentially get the same amount of eyeballs if not way way more without having the gatekeepers of a news station to get you out there the only thing is one thing i really admire about lauren and i went to the same path and i think it s lost today it s a lost art.
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is how to be a host, how to be an anchor, how to be a journalist.
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We approach things very differently than I know a lot of people do.
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Look, one of the jokes on my show, every year, all I created was 25 to 30 people who wanted my job and thought they could do my job as well, if not better.
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I think time has now proven that s not the case.
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People didn t work at it.
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They had no
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They didn t have the talent and the skill set.
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They just saw what we were doing.
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They see what you guys are doing like, oh, that sounds fun.
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I want to do that.
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I think it s a job that can look really easy.
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Like nobody looks at a neurosurgeon and thinks, oh, I could do that.
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But this is a job where you can make it look really easy if you re good at it.
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And he made it look really easy.
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The most powerful people, though, do
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make things look effortless.
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There s an art to making things look effortless.
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Yeah.
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I think it s worth remembering anytime you see, I think, I believe this about everything, any successful field, when you look at the people on the top of their game, there are probably some areas where like it is an quote unquote, like it is easy to talk on a podcast.
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It is not easy to, to get to the top of the podcast.
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It s a different thing.
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And whenever I see that, I m like, there is some skill here that people are being naive about.
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Right.
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I think one thing that connected us right from the beginning, like our first date and probably even before we were dating when I was just interviewing him, we had a mutual respect for each other.
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Like we didn t know it at the time, but neither of us got into this business wanting to be famous.
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We both studied and we both wanted to be successful.
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And I think we both wanted to be good storytellers.
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If you re just searching for that fame thing, whether you re an influencer or whatever, if you re not like,
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creating something, you re trying to share or create a business as you guys have both done so well.
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It doesn t work or it feels really empty really fast and it can t sustain itself.
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But that was, you know, yeah, the working towards not fame, but success, I think connected us really early on.
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Can you guys talk to me about the minutiae of
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of what you ve built.
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Meaning, like, talk to me about, like, having to do your own makeup or waking up at 3 a.m.
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because you have to host something.
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Like, I want to hear, like, the nitty-gritty of what it s taken to get to the levels that you re at.
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Yeah, I did my own makeup on Entertainment Tonight for several years, and people couldn t believe that.
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But I did my own makeup for a while because I was technically a digital correspondent, and then I moved up to a union job, and then I had to
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like union rules, I had to get makeup.
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So that was like a big deal for me.
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And I, yeah, I mean, but yeah, crazy hours, like your life s not your own and there s a million harder jobs out there.
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I m not curing cancer, but like one thing that we almost, I mean, we talk a lot about how the pandemic really like helped us have a relationship because before that, I think our hours were so crazy.
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I don t think we would have had time to like actually date each other.
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Yeah, I mean, I love what I do.
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I ve always loved what I ve done.
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But yeah, I mean, starting out, I slept on the floor of the sports office because I would work the Friday night high school football show.
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And then I would spend the night, and I had four sportscasts starting at 6 AM.
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And you would spend the night and get up, and I would edit, produce, write my own shows, do the shows, do your own makeup.
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As soon as weather came on, you knew you had five minutes before you were on.
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And that was life, and it was awesome.
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But flash forward 30 years, and I m doing The Bachelor.
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the biggest network show, it s as high as you can possibly get, I m sleeping in a closet.
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I would get dressed in a van in Thailand.
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It s not like, oh my God, you now fly around on a private jet and you have the best.
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Trust me, if they can save $4, they re going to save $4 and you re going to get dressed in a van.
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It s like people always laugh at The Bachelor Mansion.
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They asked me, it s like, was this really the master closet upstairs where you would sleep and get dressed?
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I was like, yeah, I would just grab a pillow and go crawl in the corner.
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The mansion is so much smaller than you think it is.
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It s super small.
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That s the glamorous life.
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And it was funny, I think Spade or somebody took over when the first year I didn t do Paradise and they thought they were going to get a big celebrity to do the show.
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And Spade went down there and I had some people talk to him and he was like, F this, man.
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He s like, who works like this?
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I m like, yeah, the conditions suck.
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We re up all night and we, you know, all night until eight or nine in the morning.
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And then you re two hours later, you got to be back.
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And so you re not sleeping.
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You re not eating right.
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You re away from your family.
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And again, like Lauren said, we re not digging ditches.
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I ve done that before and that sucks, but at the same time, it s never as the real work is never as glamorous, but the people on our show and the people probably you guys talk to sometimes they think.
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It ll just be fun.
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I just want to do the fun stuff.
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And it s like, okay.
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And look, there s some rewarding stuff and I love what we do, but it s hard work and it s hard to make it look good.
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You have to work at it.
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What is the off camera process?
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What does that look like when you re not filming?
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And I guess maybe not doing the quote unquote fun stuff.
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I mean, honestly, like Bachelor, it s a lonely existence.
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It was really lonely.
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What are you doing when you re not filming?
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Nothing.
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You re on the road alone.
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You know, so we, I would, I would try to entertain myself.
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Like I would go to a soccer, I m a big soccer fan.
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I d go to soccer games around the world or I d go to like, you know, play golf or do something.
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I m in Africa, you know, during Brad Womack season.
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So I m going to go on a safari, but you know, the first safari alone, it was like two of us, you know, or I d go with him, my hair and makeup team, you know, it s like her wardrobe, Carrie and Gina.
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And you know, you re like,
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You see an elephant knock a tree over to get the worms underneath and your first thing is out.
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You reach for your kids cuz you want your kid you know and you know your face timing your kids back home at weird hours because they re up eating breakfast and you just a little picture on the table and so.
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There s some weird lonely time i spent a lot of years alone travel around the world and again i m not saying what was me i had a great life and it gave me a wonderful life and change my kids lives.
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But at the same time, that stuff s hard.
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I would go days without speaking English to anybody.
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Because you re just traveling.
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Because the crew would go alone, and I would try and stay to see, like, my kids play soccer or lacrosse or a play or something, and I would travel alone.
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And you just get dropped off in the wilderness somewhere, and you re just waiting to be picked up to shoot.
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And it s really weird.
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It s a weird life.
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Do you spend any time with the contestants when you re not filming, or is it isolated where you re not really interacting with them?
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not really hanging out with them.
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No, I mean, cause they re in the bubble and you want them to stay in the bubble.
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And that was our job is to create that environment and keep them in that mindset.
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And I could, they really hated me being around cause I would break that bubble and give them kind of sign of life and hope and give them, you know, we, we,
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Ben Higgins talks, I could list like Ben Higgins, Bob Guinea, Andrew Firestone, all these bachelors have said to me since we ve all become friends, they ve said the only reason I made it through the show was because of Chris.
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They re like, he was like the friend I needed.
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Like Ben Higgins always tells the story of when Chris came to visit him in his hotel room.
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And I think Ben was like ready to quit the show.
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We were in the Bahamas at a house.
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And you like watched a game with him or something.
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And he said it mentally brought him back.
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I mean, I m telling his story here, but.
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We just sat down to watch a football game.
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We just hang out.
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He s like, thank God.
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But you hung out with the leads a little bit.
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I did.
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I would hang out with the leads.
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The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, I would see a lot more.
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The, say, contestants, the 25 or 30, I would not see them because they would use me as a trigger.
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Sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes emotional.
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So they wanted to like, when you saw me, you re like, oh shit, something s about to happen.
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You know, I would sometimes roll the proverbial grenade in the room of like blowing things up.
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So they were very careful about they didn t want to normalize me.
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So it was really funny.
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A lot of times the bachelor, the bachelorette or the contestants would fly separately.
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So I would be on one of those flights.
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Sometimes I flew with the lead.
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Sometimes I would fly with the contestants, depending on our schedule.
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And oftentimes when I was with the contestants, they would, you know, all of a sudden just see me in a hat in the airport and they re like, shit, you re just normal.
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You re just real.
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And they, you know, we d have these conversations and I d get to know them.
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Um, and I, I enjoyed getting to know them.
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I often said,
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It wasn t until later after the show when I would see them at charity events or whatever where we would become good friends because I was used as a host and as a mechanism when I was taping the show.
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So it was really interesting.
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If you both could go back with all of this stuff that you ve seen, what would you tell yourself?
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What do you wish you did differently?
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Or are you just, are you happy with everything?
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Career-wise or bachelor-wise?
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For both of you with your, both of your careers.
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I think that, you know, really, like, sitting here talking to you guys has made me realize, like, I need to go kind of back to that decision I made when I decided to not do the Weekend Anchor thing and to do the online thing again, like, to keep embracing the change, you know?
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And sometimes it s a little hard because you feel like the change is happening so fast around you.
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But, yeah, there were, like, like, I kind of wish I d really leaned into, like, YouTube earlier, done some of these things earlier and
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I think it s really important, like, I always give this advice to say yes, like, say yes to everything, especially when you re in your 20s and still figuring out who you are.
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And I think I did that, but, like, I m kind of wanting to remind myself about it now.
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Like, keep going, keep, like, lean into all the new things that are happening, because sometimes the new things scare me.
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Gary Vee, I think, is like such a good person to look to because he s always like yelling at you and being like, like he told everyone to get on TikTok like seven years ago.
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And he s like, I fucking told you to get on TikTok.
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And I m like, he s right.
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Like if we had all gotten on TikTok seven years ago, that would look different.
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He s like so like good at adapting.
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So that is really good advice.
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Yes.
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I don t think I would change anything.
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I think I would tell myself, I would love to have the hindsight to know your show will have the longevity it s had.
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You re going to be on air for 18, 19 years.
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That s crazy.
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Because that doesn t happen.
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That s a long time.
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It doesn t happen in our business.
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And so I played scared
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It was probably a good thing.
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The people I ve met that I really admire in this business, the Joan Rivers of the world, the people that had that longevity, they also played scared.
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When you say play scared, what do you mean by that?
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They always assumed everything was going away.
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They played to the man.
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Yeah.
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You had this fear that tomorrow it could all be taken away.
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You wake up and you re just like, the ratings are gone.
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I just always had the belief it was never promised to you.
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Next week was never promised to you.
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I would wake up and I would get the ratings on
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Thursday morning or Tuesday mornings when we moved to Mondays.
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And I just remember, you know, used to used to call a line.
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They would have every network had a number.
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I would get up in the morning.
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It s 630 in the morning.
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I would get the fast nationals and I m writing them all down.
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I mean, every week I had, I kept the papers for forever.
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I know the ratings for ever.
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I still do this because now it s online.
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I get the ratings every day.
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What s the best season that s ever done?
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The best show, the single show, was the end of Aaron Berge s season.
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The finale did 33 million viewers.
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Wow.
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And he married, what is the woman?
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I forget the girl.
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They didn t get married.
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They got engaged.
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Engaged.
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But the biggest overall season was that we went from Aaron Berge to Trista s season.
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Yeah.
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And that was from start to finish the highest ratings.
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You know why?
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I think it s because we got, didn t we get to know Trista on another season before?
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Yeah, she came out of Alex Michelle season one.
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That s, that s, that s the season.
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That s what I knew.
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I was like, how am I not remembering Tristan?
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That was really rare because we never, you know, we weren t doing that back then.
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Alex, Michelle, Aaron Bergey, Bob Guinea was kind of our first repeat.
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Cause he came off the bachelorette with Trista Wren.
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Right.
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And he, you know, he was kind of that lovable, you know, and Bob will kill me, but he was this kind of heavy overweight guy.
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And he was mad because he s like, well, my foot was in a boot.
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I played football at Michigan state and I was heavy cause I was in a boot and then
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He came back.
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He was like lovable dad bod.
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Yeah, but he had dad bod.
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He s like, I don t have a dad bod.
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F you guys, I m all fit.
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But so Bob was the first repeat guy, but Trista was from that first season.
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But yeah, if I could tell myself, hey dude, relax.
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You re going to have longevity.
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You can have this show.
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You re going to go for 18, 19 years.
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But I probably would have said no to stuff that I really jumped on.
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I probably wouldn t have done, and I know you guys won t even remember this, TV Guide.
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I did a daily show for them.
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I executive produced and hosted the red carpet shows for the Grammys, Oscars, and all that stuff.
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And I did that because I always assumed The Bachelor was waning and it would go away.
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And at one point, we kind of were canceled.
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Lloyd Braun, who was president of ABC, this was around Dr. Travis Stork when we went to Paris.
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The reason we went to Paris that season was we said, F it.
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The show s canceled.
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We re off the air.
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Let s go spend every dime we have, and let s go live in Paris.
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And we did.
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and we thought the show was going to be dead.
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Travis Stork s season did good.
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Then we came back with Dr. Naval Doctor.
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Why am I blanking on him?
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Anyway, so we did this officer and a gentleman season with this naval doctor, and it did very well.
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And all of a sudden, we were back.
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And we re like, crap, here we go again.
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Wait, what s the guy that s on the doctors, Travis?
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Travis Stork.
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Okay, so it was after that.
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It was a naval guy.
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Yeah, the season after.
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Will you tell us who it was, Carson?
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That s going to kill me.
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Andrew Baldwin.
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Dr. Andy Baldwin.
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He was a swimmer at Duke.
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He was a naval doctor.
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It was great.
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It was a phenomenal season.
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So we did that.
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And best thing I remember about that season, I don t know why this sticks out.
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We had him drive up in this amazing sports car.
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It s like a silver Lamborghini or something.
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And we shot it in just above Hollywood and we re on this hill and he got out of the car looking all stuck.
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And he got out and I guess he forgot to set the brake and so he got out and the car just started rolling backwards.
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And Big Pauly, if anyone remembers Big Pauly, he was the guy who was, he would come and get the suitcases from time to time.
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He was the Grim Reaper.
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And he would like, literally was holding the car from like sliding down the driveway.
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But Andy Baldwin did well and that resurrected the show.
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I do think in this business, you have to be okay with big ups and downs and no, it doesn t mean it s over.
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Like, you know, we live in this, everything s really fast now, but like, I think about Robert Downey jr.
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That man s career was like, no one would hire him in the nineties because he d had all these addiction issues and been in and out of jail and no one would hire him.
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No one would insure him.
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And then he became iron man.
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And it s like, now we all love him.
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And we get a two minute award show speech from him and we re all look at Rob Lowe.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don t know if you guys are old enough to know the scandal.
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Go Google Rob Lowe and his scandals.
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And now he s one of the most beloved kind of middle-aged figures.
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And you guys think John Stamos is handsome?
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I read Rob Lowe s book too.
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Rob, you can come on the podcast if you want.
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Look into his eyes.
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I dare you.
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Rob Lowe can come on the podcast.
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It s an open invite.
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I told this story.
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This was back when I was single and I went on a date and I would escape LA.
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With Rob Lowe.
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And I went up, I wish.
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I would date Rob Lowe in a heartbeat.
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No, I was in Montecito because I would get out of LA because I didn t want to be seen in this.
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I had a blind date with this woman who lived in Montecito.
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And I met Rob Lowe because he had an ABC show at the time.
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Because he lives up there.
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Yeah, we were friendly and enough.
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Like if we saw each other, you d give each other the bro hug.
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And so he sees me from across the room and we kind of do the bro nod, you know, and he gets up and I was like, oh fuck, like don t walk over here.
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Like the last thing a dude wants
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next to me is Rob Lowe.
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I m like, I don t want my date to see Rob Lowe.
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I feel like Patrick Dempsey walking over.
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I m like, dude, stay away.
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How do you think I look now?
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You re looking great.
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But Rob Lowe is Rob Lowe.
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I just feel like the rest of the dinner, she s like, oh.
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But you re not Rob Lowe.
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He s right there.
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Yeah, he s right there.
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How did you guys meet amongst all of this?
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You said you met five years ago or you started dating five years ago?
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We started dating a little over five years ago.
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But had known each other professionally for a couple years before that.
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Like a couple years.
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I was on Entertainment Tonight and I covered The Bachelor.
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And by the way, here s the thing.
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I think I actually had Becca Tilly, God lover, said to me at our wedding, Oh my God, Lauren, you like made every girl s dream come true.
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Like you grew up watching The Bachelor and then you married the host.
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And I was like, I did not grow up watching The Bachelor.
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I was a housewives girl.
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I still am.
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And the only reason I started covering The Bachelor was because when I got to Entertainment Tonight,
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And this is a say yes thing.
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No one was covering it.
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And I said, well, I, I can cover it.
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Like I can watch the show and figure it out and cover it.
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So I knew nothing about the show.
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And there is, as he s sitting here talking, there s all this bachelor history.
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Like you grew up while I don t know any of these people.
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I started watching it, I think with
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Chris Soules this season, maybe.
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Or maybe Caitlin Bristow s, I don t know.
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So I interviewed him for three years or so.
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And I was married.
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He was dating someone else.
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And we only ever saw each other on red carpets.
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And that s the only conversation we d ever had.
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And then we both became single.
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Then I did an interview with him, and I was like, was he flirting with me?
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Were you?
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Oh, yeah.
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Wait but be honest, you heard it here first, was there a spark the first time you guys met?
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No.
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Nothing.
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No, she, you know, not to be a dick.
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We were both so quickly like no, absolutely not, fully uninterested.
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I don t mean to treat people like this but like, you, when you re doing the show,
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thousands of interviews.
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I ve done thousands and thousands of interviews about the show.
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It s like rinse and repeat.
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Yeah.
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And you would just, but I will say I knew she was different only as a journalist and I really respected her and I looked, I remember looking forward to her interviews because when you do thousands of interviews, 99% of them are just so, like you said, rinse and repeat.
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They don t challenge you.
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don t listen.
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They re just asking these questions on the paper and they re moving on and you re just saying, regardless of what they ask, you re giving the answer that you want to give and you re moving on.
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Lauren would listen and push you and really call back the stuff you ve said.
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I m like, so I knew I had to be on my game when Lauren Zima came from Entertainment Tonight and I really enjoyed those interviews.
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from journalist to journalist cuz i was my background to michael this girl s good and but i knew nothing of her and i never it as soon as we re done you have a handler who s next next next and you just kind of moving on and so i never saw her for who she is until there was one day and we were at the studio
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I took a break and she came out of the green room where we kept all the animals.
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Uh, no, all the, all the journalists would watch the show and I was on stage.
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So I came out and I was getting a tea and she was coming out and I didn t know why, but I found out later it was so hopefully we might run into each other.
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Cause we d had a couple flirty moments before that, but he was really the first time I looked at her, looked at her.
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And I was like, oh damn, like shit, like why have I not seen this before?
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But I didn t have those eyes on because I was either married or dating somebody and I just wasn t paying attention in that way, just being professional.
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And all of a sudden I m like, she s hot.
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And then, yeah, okay.
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And we started talking.
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It was, I interviewed him, I thought he was a little flirty.
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And then truly I was at this next taping and I said to myself, okay, God, if he was flirting with me, I said, I m going to go, this is a nine hour taping.
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I m going to go get a coffee at craft services right now.
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And if he happens to be there at this exact moment,
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then we re supposed to talk, like something s supposed to happen here.
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Smart.
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Give him a little test.
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Yeah.
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And he just happened to be there.
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And so then we had our first real conversation off of a red carpet.
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And then I ll be honest, I slid into his DMs.
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I was like, hey, so good to see you the other day.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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I m a big believer in open the door,
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And if they walk through, keep going.
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I don t, like, I think it s unfair when people put the onus on other people to make the first move all the time.
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I think women do it with men.
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Like, I m not saying chase them, but I think open the door.
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Let them know that you re.
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Yeah.
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Show interest.
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Let them know that there is an opening.
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Yes.
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And if, and then if he doesn t walk through, like, don t go through the door yourself.
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Keep going down the hallway.
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But if he walks through, okay.
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She said, hashtag send nudes.
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And I said, that s so adorable.
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No, and you know what?
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Timing, Lauren and I talk about this all the time.
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Timing is everything.
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I was at a place in my life.
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So was she, but I was at a place in my life.
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My kids were old enough because when I got divorced, I really dove into my kids and being a dad and making sure they were taken care of.
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And then my profession was such a huge part of my life.
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I had these two boxes and that was it.
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I really want to be a good dad.
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And I wanted to be really good at hosting and I wanted to crush it professionally.
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And I was doing both very well.
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I didn t have time for that third box of myself.
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I knew I would, I think I knew I would get there.
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And so I dated and, but I didn t really commit.
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And she, we ran into each other just kind of that perfect time of the bachelor was kind of on cruise control.
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I knew I, you know,
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Killing it there.
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That s fine.
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The kids were old.
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They were really good people.
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They re both driving.
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They re in high school, pretty self-sufficient doing good there.
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I have time for myself now and I m kind of lonely.
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I m like, I m ready to like, I m ready to put myself out there because you do, if you are single, you have to be willing to put yourself out there and truly be vulnerable and date.
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And so when she reached out, I was eager and it was the, it was great timing because I was open to that.
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He was so deeply lonely.
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I mean, well, and I always respected.
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I looked forward to our interviews, too, because he was so good at doing an interview.
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Like I knew I would get my headlines from him and my great sound bites from him.
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But I think our love story is like I give the advice a lot that be open like you don t know where this person is going to come from.
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Like I have a friend who s single and I think she writes people off on that first look a lot.
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You know, it s like we have one of those friends.
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She s really big on first impressions or like if there isn t the chemistry right away.
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He s not 6 3 .
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Yeah, I m like, we knew each other for like four years.
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I mean, you guys have a similar story of you were to, you know, knew each other and then went apart and then came back.
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You don t know where that person is going to come from.
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Also be open to not being with your type.
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Yes.
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I think there s like this thing where it s like, oh, that s not my type.
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Maybe you don t know
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what your type is and maybe your type is evolved.
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I think people put looks so high on the list.
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There s no way that if you had written down my stats and you gave it to Lauren Zima, that she would have dated me.
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Older, like, you know, like I wouldn t have been, if you had said, okay, if we d stopped back then and said, okay, Lauren, type of guy you re going to date, you probably wouldn t have said 50 year old father of two.
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Well, that s true.
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But I was always very open.
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I just am like a... Truly, it s probably because my dad died when I was younger.
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At a very young age, I realized you don t know what life s going to throw at you.
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So I just was always like, because we don t know what s coming, stay open to whatever.
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But yeah, I mean, I have a friend who... It s the same thing.
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She will... It s like, if he s not
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a Christian doctor who she met at church.
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I m like, this is not a Hallmark movie.
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And you re closing yourself off from a lot of potential, I think.
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You ve narrowed it down to 0.001% of the population.
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Who the fuck is your friend, Sarah Palin?
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Well, that s a really good question.
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I m only dating people up in Alaska.
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I will tell you, she is a 37-year-old virgin.
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So there s a lot going on there.
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But you probably didn t, like, did you always want hair this slicked back, Lauren?
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I love his hairline.
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I tell him it looks like a mix between Teresa Giudice and Spock.
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Not Spock.
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What s the fucking thing in the Star Wars with the hair?
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The Widow s Peak?
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The Widow s Peak.
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No, the Widow s Peak is the thing that curves down.
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Oh, the Klingon look?
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Is that what you re saying?
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No, I m talking about what s the character in Star Wars with the hair?
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Chewbacca?
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The one that has hair in space?
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Chewbacca.
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No, but you know, call me old fashioned, but this is why, and on this show I ve talked about, I am not a fan of any of these dating apps.
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We both have young sisters and I get that people feel very pressured to date and meet people in this way, but to your points you re making, I think people are first delusional
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in many cases.
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And second, when you have applications that are all about the aesthetic first, and you can quickly, ooh, that eyebrows off or that, no, I didn t like that hair.
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He s not tall enough for this.
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You re missing potentially so much about what you actually, when you get in a relationship are really going to want.
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And if you sit on a date and I m looking at Lauren and I m like, yeah, I can already be scrolling.
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I m already thinking about the next date.
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I have a question.
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Would you advise someone to where do you think people would have more success and love on a dating app or going on a reality dating show?
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I m not going to poopoo on dating apps.
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I don t think I would say definitely not a dating show only because.
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the percentages are so low.
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Maybe the intentions are off.
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Well, one girl, one guy, you know, it s just, yeah, there s a lot to deal with, but yeah, it s a numbers game.
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I am a firm believer that look, dating apps work.
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I know we know a lot of people who have met on dating apps.
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It s how quickly can you get off of that?
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Like when, when, even when LZ DM to me, I got it out of there as quick as I could.
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And I m like, let s go out, let s go have a coffee.
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Let s go have a drink.
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We went to Soho in Malibu, and we figured it would seem normal because it was like, why is the lady from Entertainment Tonight with the host of The Bachelor?
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But if you re at Soho house, it s like, oh, it s not weird.
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They re just probably met up or talking or business or whatever.
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So that was our first date.
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She didn t love it because I talked too much.
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And then I later said,
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You asked me too many questions, Barbara Walters.
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We went into interview mode.
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I started interviewing him and he started doing what he does and what he is doing right now, which he talks for a living and he s supposed to give answers and talk and do all those things.
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Yeah, I left the date.
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Interestingly, and I don t know what this says about me, but I didn t really like him, but I did go in for a kiss at the end of the night.
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And I think it s because I thought, well, but let s see if Fox read total Fox.
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You re like, I want on my resume that I Chris, that I Chris, I kissed Chris Harrison.
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Well, we were, so we were in the parking lot at Soho house and I really liked her.
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I was like really fascinated.
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I had dated a lot, been in a lot of dates and I m like, I didn t, it wasn t like, oh my God, I m going to marry this girl.
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But I could tell this was different.
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I could tell she was different.
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I was feeling different.
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And she, we got in the parking lot and I knew,
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in the business world, this would be difficult for her, not for me.
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Why?
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Because she is a journalist and she s- There were some ethical questions about us dating.
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She s not covering the White House and sleeping with the president, but at the same time, she is covering The Bachelor and she s supposed to have a journalistic integrity.
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I said, look, it s not the craziest thing in the world, but it won t
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I think it was more, I said to him, this is- The perception.
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Well, and this is a bigger risk for me than it is for you.
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This is gonna look like I m trying to get ahead in my career.
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You re already very established.
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You re 17 years ahead of me in this career thing.
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I m like just starting.
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And I was afraid of how would it look like, how will it affect my career that I ve aligned myself with him and with this brand that s already so established when like I m still figuring out a lot of what I m doing.
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Well, and the sexist double standard of,
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who in hollywood s gonna give me a hard time for dating a hot young woman
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Right.
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Who s going to give her a hard time for, you know, sleeping with the guy that she s interviewed?
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Did people give you a hard time?
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Well, I mean, again, I think it was helpful that like I had to talk to my boss about it.
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Yeah.
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And we talked through it and I they were ultimately OK with it.
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Again, I think it s helpful.
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It was entertainment news.
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Like I was covering this reality show.
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It wasn t like whether people s water is contaminated in the Midwest, you know, no lives were at stake.
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But
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It s not like a case in Georgia where you re prosecuting the president, former president of the United States.
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Yeah, that s true.
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I did, relevant.
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I did have to like sometimes say to people and I, you know, I don t like, like truly I would, I, we did have to do a separation of church and state and I would tell him, I also, I enjoyed covering the show.
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I was like, I don t want to know the spoil.
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Like, don t tell me I want to cover it as I m, as I m covering it.
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And sometimes I would stop him mid conversation because he was about to slip on something.
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I m like, no, I don t, I don t want to know that because I wanted to maintain that.
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But yeah, then we were at Soho House parking lot and I said, because of all this, I m like, do you want to do this?
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And you know, I m like, you need to think about this if we want to have more dates and be seen.
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And that s when she laid one on me and she kissed me in the parking lot at Soho House.
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God, I don t remember the kiss being the answer to that question.
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That was really dumb of me in retrospect.
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That was a really bold, quick answer to that question.
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Did your relationship like take a lot of momentum quickly or was it a slow build?
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No, it took momentum quickly.
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A lot of momentum quickly, yeah.
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I think we both knew who we were.
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We had both been divorced.
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Like no bullshit.
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Yeah, you just knew what you want.
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Well, we quickly found out we had good chemistry.
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from the kiss.
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Truly the reason I kissed him was because I was like, I m not totally sure about his personality, but like physically, will we connect?
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Maybe we ll just hook up.
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I think I thought that to myself in my head really quick.
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But then on the second date, and I m a big advocate of give people a second date, everything changed.
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I think we both relaxed a little bit.
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First dates are weird, right?
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Like, it s so weird.
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It s like a job interview.
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It s a little tense, even though we knew each other a little and everything changed.
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And yeah, the momentum happened quickly.
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We also talked about
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everything for like the next 30 years of our life on our first date.
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We talked about moving to Texas, which we just did two years ago, but that s cool.
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On the first date it was like, do you want kids?
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Do you want to?
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And I wouldn t recommend that if you re 22, but if you re older, like why waste time?
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Talk about what your safety word.
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How did you guys both have successful divorces?
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I don t know if we did.
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I mean, is that an oxymoron, a successful divorce?
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I think in the scheme of divorces.
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Yeah.
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No, I, we had very different situations, very different divorces.
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Obviously I had kids in the mix.
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Mine, I would say is very amicable to the point where, you know, Lauren and she have, are friendly and will text and we always put the kids first and I will give this for my ex.
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She s a good mom.
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She puts the kids first.
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And if you always have that as your goal,
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You swallow a lot of pride.
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You re not going to win everything.
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You know, don t, if you can take yourself out of it, which look, we, we still have our issues and our problems.
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There s a reason we got divorced, but all of us have committed and she s remarried too.
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And her husband does the same and I give him kudos.
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the kids are first.
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Yeah.
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And so, you know, that we re going to see her this weekend because our, my, our son plays lacrosse up at TCU.
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So we ll go see him play and it s mom s weekend.
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So we ll see her and it s fine.
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Did you guys talk about like, I mean, where you two are now?
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We re in very similar positions.
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You work together a lot.
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You live together.
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You guys have two kids together.
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How early on were you talking about like what you wanted your life to look like?
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I m very hesitant to talk.
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I know that our story is not so common in the sense that like we ve known each, we ve known each other now longer than more than half of our, our entire time we ve been alive, right?
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12 and now we re 36.
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But yeah, I think,
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I think what makes Lauren and I work together is we re very open and aligned in what we both have ambition in life for.
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Not even on the business stuff, but how we want to have kids and where we want to move.
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And we always talked about, okay, we re going to have a life where we bounce around.
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Maybe it s LA, maybe it s Texas, maybe it s somewhere else.
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We, I think a lot of the stuff is easy.
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The other stuff is easy to figure out over time.
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If you re just aligned on like life s ambitions and what you actually want, you know, as parents or as entrepreneurs or as a couple.
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And I, we spend a lot of time making sure that we re talking about that a lot.
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I think you got to talk about the big stuff.
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Like our friends, I have friends who are, she s in a tough spot right now because she and her husband are married, have a kid, but they don t know where they want to live.
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And they re in disagreement about that.
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And I m like, did you guys talk about it before?
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She s like, I think we talked about like what our lives might look like, but didn t get as specific as where we wanted to live.
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What s interesting for you guys is you change.
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Like, obviously I m not even talking sixth grade.
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Obviously you changed from that.
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But even when y all got back together post college, different,
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Y all are different than you are when in your mid to late thirties.
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I mean, you ve grown up and it s hard.
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Luckily you guys have been able to somehow form this amazing relationship around creating businesses and you ve gone on the same path as opposed to Lauren s going this way and Michael s going to go this way.
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Y all are very fortunate in that way as you ve been able to grow together.
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We have both probably changed even since we left California individually.
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I mean, before Lauren got here, I mean, I don t think she had a steak in her entire life.
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Now she s a big meat eater out here.
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But anyway, small things.
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My bowl of meat.
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We ve always been aligned on values and supported each other in the changes on those values.
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And, you know, even like I ll give you an example.
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We work together and we tell couples all the time, maybe you start a venture together and your idea is like, hey, I want to have this small thing with five or six people.
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And that s all I want.
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And mom and pop and the other person s like, well, I want to go build the spaceship.
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You may think you want to work together, but if you re not aligned on where you want that vision to go, that s also a problem, right?
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And so we get like really detailed and whenever we talk about big decisions, like, okay, does Texas make sense?
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Why?
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What would it look like?
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Would you be happy there?
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Would I be happy?
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Vice versa.
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I have a transition that I have to ask you that I have not heard you answer.
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Was there relief in leaving The Bachelor?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Isn t it kind of like you did it for 19 years?
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Not only just got to be like, oh, like you almost like take your your pants off.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, take your bra off, take your bra off.
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You let your tits hang out.
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You re like, I did it.
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I can check it.
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I did it the best I could.
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There s got to be a relief.
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I was ready to pop my puss.
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Um, is that the correct term?
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I don t think that s using it correctly.
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Um, no, there definitely was a relief in that when you ve done it for so long and also I ve always loved being innovative and creating and trying new things and pushing myself and, and it had become repetitive and formulate.
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Yeah.
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It s hard to reinvent something like my favorite times.
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surrounding The Bachelor were in the early days when you didn t know what a rose ceremony was.
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There was no such thing.
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We were creating it.
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We were creating the terminology and the words.
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You d go in and say something and you re like, oh my God, that was really stupid.
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Take that out.
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Let s try it this way.
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Those were the fun days of you re building something.
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We had long since moved away from that.
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It was fun when we started Paradise because I got to create something again or Winter Games or when you got to do new endeavors.
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I live, I love the live shows.
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Cause again, those were always new and invigorating.
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So the show for me over that many years, I always called it dazed and confused where, you know, I kept getting older.
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They stayed the same age because it was the same, you know, same group of 20 somethings came in and we re doing it over and over.
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So yeah, mentally, emotionally, and I think professionally a bit of a relief to kind of like,
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change course.
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Yeah, take the bra off and hang your tits out.
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The world evolved to, and it sometimes feels like a lot of these shows, and this is my opinion, placate to what society is feeling.
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The one day society is right, one day it s left, one day it s here, one day it s there.
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And it feels like sometimes that these big corporations are placating to whatever the narrative is at the moment, and that s exhausting.
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That s why I have my own podcast.
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Well, and when a show is created in 2001, 2002.
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It s going to be different.
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How much has the world changed, right?
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I mean, again, there was this innocence and naivete of reality TV.
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I mean, there was no such thing as a blog back then, much less Facebook.
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Then you get to Twitter, then you get to influencers.
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So the world has changed so much, but when your concept and the formula hasn t changed.
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It s hard to keep up like for example the rose ceremony used to be such a big deal we would spend so much money on the cocktail party and the rose ceremony.
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And you realize now twenty years later that s not.
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Moving the needle in your tie in your tied to these things that are instruments of the show so it s very difficult to evolve when.
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You know you re known for something it s like say your mcdonald s that that s what we were were the mcdonald s reality tv and you re known for this and it s like.
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but we can t do this anymore.
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We got to kind of ebb and flow and change with the times.
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Well, and you re dealing with hard, like to your point, I mean, I m speaking for you, but these are just things I ve heard you say it s you were, I know they were, you were, some producers were really trying to innovate, but you re dealing with really big corporations who are really thinking about money as their bottom line.
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And it s really hard to innovate and change.
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And he and I both have taught, like, there s also something in this business when you re in a situation like that, like you re putting
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you.
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This isn t an actor playing a role.
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It s like you re Chris Harrison on this thing, or I m Lauren Zima on Entertainment Tonight.
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And you re putting you out there, all the risk of you being yourself, yet you are beholden to what all these voices behind you are telling you to say, making you say.
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You re under a contract.
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Your social media is under a contract.
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So yeah, owning and doing your own podcast is a much better route.
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I imagine with what you guys are doing now with your show, and honestly doing this,
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I don t think creators realize, and I say creators broadly could be influencers, whatever you want to call it, realize how fortunate they are to be able to produce stuff without... You guys walked in, there is no approval.
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There s nobody else behind.
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There s nobody s telling me what we can and can t do.
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It eliminates the politics of it.
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Yeah, like whatever s going on politically or socially, I don t care.
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I just do my thing and some like it, some don t, but the internet has basically democratized and made it possible for us to do whatever we want.
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Lauren brings up a good point.
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at first you feel like, Oh, they love me.
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They love me.
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And they re pushing you forward.
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And you, and you realize you, I was the face and the voice of the bachelor for 20 years.
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I did all the interviews because everybody changes, right?
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The bachelor leaves, there s new contestants or whatever.
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You re the constant.
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When I hear you talk, it s like, that s this.
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So you are, so what happened early on is say there s, and it could have been something benign, but something controversial happens.
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Send out Chris Harrison.
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Well, as things grew, more controversy, some stuff was very controversial on and off camera.
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Send out Chris Harrison, send out Chris Harrison.
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What you realize later, because you don t think about it at the time, is you re being used for your face and your voice and your likeness.
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And I was told many times, hey, go put that smile on and let s put that Chris Harrison out there.
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Go do the dance.
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Make things right.
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Go save it.
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And you realize your name
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is on the line here.
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They re not.
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They re back at the office.
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Their name s never going to be in print.
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If things go well, thanks, buddy.
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You did a great job.
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If things don t go well, you re on your own.
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You re on your own.
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You realize you look behind you and you re like, oh, crap.
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Nobody s standing behind me anymore.
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Before you go, how are you both creating your own future on your own terms without someone doing what they do?
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I think we re both really excited and happy about work right now in a way we hadn t been in a while.
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And again, we re both so thankful for every—we had very cool jobs.
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We had very cool, very glamorous jobs at the end of the day.
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But now we feel really reinvigorated.
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Liberated, probably.
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Yeah, no, I feel like I had one of the greatest runs ever.
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And like, honestly, if I got hit by a bus tomorrow, I got away with murder.
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I mean, I feel like I won the lottery a thousand times over.
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I ve loved everything from sports casting to game shows to, you know, Miss America to the Bachelor Bachelorette franchise.
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It s been a dream.
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So now the cool thing is being where I am with this amazing woman I love.
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It s more important to me who I work with.
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and where we re going, as opposed to that old fire and that, again, the desperation of, I just need to work.
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I need a job.
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I need a hosting gig.
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Because back in the day, it was like, I just want to work.
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And what s next?
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What s next?
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Now I get to sit back and relax, let my boobs hang out, as you guys would say.
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Now I get to choose.
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And we can say no, but it s more important of like, what s that next step with us?
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And we do have some very exciting stuff coming up.
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Our next step is going to be amazing.
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And we get to do it together.
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now.
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Okay.
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You don t have to announce it now, but tell us where we can listen to the podcast, find your social media.
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So when you do announce it, we know only fans.com, uh, no, uh, bachelor voice.
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Uh, we re obviously Instagram, Crispy Harrison and Lauren Zema shoes.
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Let s talk.
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He made the, I don t know how you didn t get at Chris Harrison originally, but he is at Chris B Harris.
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I ll tell you the story.
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Greg Grunberg, actor,
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He was on, uh, really good friends with JJ Abrams.
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He s been all, all these alias and lost and all these movies in the show heroes and all that.
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We were friends cause he was on a show called alias on ABC.
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And he told me about this thing called Twitter and it was brand new.
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And he s like, dude, you got to get on Twitter.
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And I was like, what are you talking about?
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You re really aging yourself right now.
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So I was one of the first people on, but Chris,
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Shockingly enough, there s other Chris Harrisons in the world.
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I was like, I didn t know what a handle was or why it was important, so I just, my middle initial, B, Chris B. Harrison.
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Not thinking it sounds like crispy Harrison.
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That s what I thought you said in the beginning.
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I thought, oh, crispy Harrison.
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That s why I paused to clarify.
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The producers on The Bachelor started calling me crispy.
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At least you didn t do at Bachelor Chris, like at Bravo Andy.
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I didn t know.
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So I was just like, yeah, that would have sucked considering I left.
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So I m at Lauren Zima.
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He s at Chris B Harrison.
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But we host the most dramatic podcast ever.
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And, uh, on, uh, we re all podcasts are found wherever that is in the ether, but we ve been doing that together and it s been fun, but there are much bigger, uh, things ahead for us.
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Can I ask you a quick question before we go?
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I know we re running out of time.
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But you said that you thought you could win The Bachelor.
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Yeah, I can.
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Did you ever think about Chris?
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Sorry, I know you could.
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I think by the way, I think you could do.
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Did you ever think about being in the hot seat and like him grilling you?
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And like, what should he ask you to grill you?
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We should have started with with what Chris would ask.
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Yes.
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Well, I would become friends with Chris.
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I would manipulate a friendship in some way.
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I know you would be kept away from me, but I would charm Chris.
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No, people found a way.
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Like I, I formed friendships.
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And by the way, I formed friendships with people and I a hundred percent looked after them.
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At this point, I honestly don t doubt the thing.
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So I just, if she says she s going to win, I just said, I agree.
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How long do you think it would take me to make you cry?
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That s the thing.
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That s why I think I would win.
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I would take all emotion out of it.
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You don t win without crying.
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You have to cry.
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Okay, I ll do a fake cry if producers want me to.
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I ll do a fake cry.
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I would do a fake cry.
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No problem.
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I can fake cry.
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Put a little onion in my eye.
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I think in under 10 minutes, I could get to you.
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I don t think so, Chris.
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You should come back and we should just timer on 10 minutes and see.
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Really?
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I need a more intimate relationship in the interview.
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Let s put some rose petals around.
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I know how to make her cry.
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No, I don t mean sexual.
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I just mean like we got to be close.
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No, nothing sexual.
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You want to make her cry, wait till she s like in a little bit of a deep sleep and wake her up and start being loud and chaotic and she will cry for sure.
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Take off her mouth patch.
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When he turns the lights on in the morning without asking me, no fucking way.
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Thank you guys for having us.
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Chris and Lauren, thank you for coming on.
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You guys go follow them and go listen to their podcast because they truly have the two best voices.
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Chris s voice for me is just nostalgic and calming and reminds me of my childhood.
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And I mean, to me, you are The Bachelor.
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And then Lauren s voice is kind of like sexy and raspy.
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You guys got great voice for podcasts.
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I m like when Phoebe is sick on that episode of Friends.
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Perfect.
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I love a little cold.
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It gives you like a little.
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And you have to listen now because you guys will be on the most dramatic podcast ever.
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So.
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Yeah, we were on the show.
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Everybody go listen.
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Lauren, Crispy, thank you for coming on.
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Good to have new friends in Austin, Texas.
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For sure.
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Austin, Texas.
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