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Hi, I m Dana.
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Anyway, so last, last week we had Sharon Stone.
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She was her show aired.
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She was great.
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And so we talked about this sketch where I played an Indian gentleman and Kevin Nealon was in it.
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Rob Schneider is in it.
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Phil Hartman, Tim Meadows.
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And we were sort of asking her to remove clothing to go through an airport security thing.
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And I said, I apologize.
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So it got some traction out there.
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Like it was a tearful hat in hand apology.
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It was, I was kidding really.
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It was like, I officially want to, it was 1992.
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I don t think I wrote that sketch.
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So we had writer, the whole audience went crazy.
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Sharon, you do the sketch like six times with, you know, the read through and this, and then rehearsals.
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She was such a sport with it.
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So there was no reason to apologize, but it really got traction.
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Like it was sort of a tearful, I m so sad.
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It was like Dana Carvey goes on hands and knees and begs forgiveness.
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Yeah, it s like, look, I did every nationality.
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I still do it.
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I don t make apologies.
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But if I sidebar a very, very good friend of mine is Hindu.
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He s from India.
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He s the director of cardiology at Cedars-Sinai.
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I call him P.K.
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P.K.
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Shaw, Dr. Shaw.
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He s brilliant.
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He s a really good friend.
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Every single benefit.
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I ve done for Cedars-Sinai Heart Institute.
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I do some stand-up and I can t get out of there until I do my PK stuff and he loves it.
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So I don t have a problem with it and my friend does not either.
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Afterwards, they said, PK, what do you think of this?
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I did not know who Dana Carvey is.
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I agree, Dana, that we get you know, we like to get talked about.
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We get a lot of nice YouTube comments.
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We get a lot of people that talk about it in articles, get picked up about people we interview.
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And it s usually some fun stuff.
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And Sharon had so many articles about her interview, which means it was sort of interesting.
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She s she s very smart.
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She s funny.
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She I love her.
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I think she s a great girl.
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And
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I even hit her up after and said, it s always funny the things you say on there.
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She just has quick wit.
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And she got picked up for saying Shia LaBeouf was a genius.
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She got picked up for saying Dana Carvey groveled and apologized to her.
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Yeah, on all fours.
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Now it s groveled.
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Yeah, she said, I know the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor or something like that.
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Yeah, but like she goes, I know when people are trying to pull something on me and you guys aren t.
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She said, I ve been, you know, it s basically, she s in a showbiz with the wine scenes of the world when she was here.
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Yes.
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And she knows what s real and what s actually terrifying and bad.
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Yeah.
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She knows what it s like when the monster says, close the door, won t you?
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Yeah.
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You know, yeah.
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That was not that.
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Yeah.
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but a goofball comedian like Dana, a harmless goofball weighing on a goofy show.
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Yeah.
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It weighs one hundred forty pounds soaking wet in those days.
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Well, let s also talk about our lovely new guest, Christina Applegate.
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Yes.
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Who I know maybe a little more than you do, only because I knew her a little bit in the old days because she was on
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as they call it, married with kids, married with children, which was a monster hit.
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We had Ed O Neill on here.
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Everyone likes that show.
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Everyone knows it.
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It was breaking a lot of ground.
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And she was like growing up, turning into a huge star on a big show.
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We got into that with her.
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She was in Don t Tell Mom the Babysitter s Dead, which Heather, I just read yesterday their remaking.
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Is that crazy?
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Is that weird?
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Is that weird?
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Yeah, she didn t even say anything.
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I was like, I don t know if she knows.
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Anyway, she talked about everything in her life.
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What a lovely girl.
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We cracked up.
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We tried to make her laugh a lot.
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She made us laugh.
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And I had a great time with her.
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Yeah, she s such a talented actress, and she talked very openly about her health issues with MS and how it s upended her life, and so it was a very real, raw interview, and she s funny the whole time.
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She s always been funny, but she s just been very honest about it, and so
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It was different in that way, but she has a new podcast out and the name is Jamie Lynn.
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It s messy, right?
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Yeah, it s messy with me a capital s.
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small s-y, messy, which they talk about dealing with different autoimmune diseases and MS and then just anything that s messy in life.
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And I do think she s uniquely skilled as well to be a great podcaster.
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Jamie Lynn, is it Seigler?
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Seigler.
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And who s also was from The Sopranos, also very funny actress.
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And so they probably, it s probably a fun one, you know, they talk about stuff, but they keep it light.
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And she was cracking up because I know my neck gives me stuff.
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And when people start talking about that in my life, I m like, I just want to talk about fun stuff.
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Like I don t want to over talk.
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And I m right now.
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People are over talking about that stuff with her.
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That ll go away.
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Let s get back to her career and how much she how much great stuff she s and she is.
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She s super fast and funny.
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And it and.
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There may be a podcast with David and... No, I can t say that right.
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Remember, that was our mic drop at the end.
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But she kind of reminds me of you, just in your quickness.
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You know, she s quick.
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She was a blast, and I m glad we got to talk to her.
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So here she is, Christine Applegate.
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Christine said one minute ago, she goes, is this today?
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What?
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They go, you re doing Fly on the Wall.
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She goes, wait, right now?
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No, I didn t say that.
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I didn t know it.
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Honestly, yesterday I forgot that we were doing it today.
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So I m glad that at least some people are on top of it.
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I missed one with Will Arnett.
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I was just having dinner and I had no idea.
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So David did it without me.
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I did the whole thing.
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That s why it s great you have a partner in your podcast in case you re like space out.
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I ve spaced out, but no, we try to make sure we re both there.
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Okay, let s start talking about your podcast and your hair.
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Let s talk about your podcast and your hair.
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Oh, I don t want to talk about my hair.
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It s filthy.
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And that s not because I did Kimmel on Monday.
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I showered on Monday.
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There you go.
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I saw your appearance on Kimmel.
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Extremely funny.
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Thank you.
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Relaxed, confident.
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Yeah.
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We ll call it that.
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I like the way you were like talking to the audience.
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Like, you guys don t really get me, do you?
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I think it s like, I think the thing with having this disease is that people don t know if they can laugh.
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And I just try to make it so that we can just laugh so we aren t crying about it.
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So for me, that s kind of my MO basically is that
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I know how it is for people to see me like this.
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You know, my appearance has changed drastically.
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I have a cane.
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It s a bummer.
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So I try to just let people off the hook and then we don t have to talk about it.
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And we can not have that little elephant in the room.
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We also don t want sad faces.
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I had a disease, coronary artery disease, and you d get what I call the RCA victor, the head would tilt and they d say, are you okay?
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Right, the little dog guy.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, you just want to diffuse all that because who wants to be pitied?
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That s the worst feeling.
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feeling in the world.
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No, yeah, I don t, yeah, I want to, I want, if I have the opportunity, let s just laugh about pretty much everything.
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And that s not really how I feel inside.
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I mean, I m bummed, I m bummed as shit, you know, I, I, I hate it, but I also don t, I can t just like sit in it.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And I, I, I like your MSMO because it s, it s a good way to handle any sort of problems going on in your life where we re all kind of from comedy backgrounds and it s,
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sort of the move is to go back to comedy because it s the only thing that kind of saves you and just keeps it light, even though it could be very heavy.
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Just go with what- And it can, you know, behind my closed doors in my house, the people that are here with me, who take care of me, they see me crumble, so all the time.
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So out in the world, I just like to keep, I guess, keep my nervous breakdowns private.
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We ll keep them at home.
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Keep the breakdown for that 12 minutes of Kimmel.
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Yeah, just push through.
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I can be having the worst day of my life and then I see David Spade s face.
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And then it becomes worse.
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Oh no, it gets better.
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And then it s like, well, then the second thought is how did I get myself into this?
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Third thought is how do I extricate myself?
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Stop now.
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But I think the fact that you re doing a podcast, because I listen to a lot, I think you have one out or two out?
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We just started yesterday.
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I mean, it launched yesterday.
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Just welcome to us kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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I think you re really good at this.
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That s my blush review.
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And I think it s going to be great.
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Thank you.
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I told other people that before I told you.
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Thanks.
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It must be fun for you because it s such a fun, riffy brain exercise, like what we re doing right now as a job.
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Yeah, it is.
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I mean, this is my job now.
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I am disabled.
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I don t think I can work.
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So this is my job.
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this is what I have going on in my life right now.
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And the only thing, so we started really about almost like last year.
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So we ve got like 10 episodes already done.
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So we can kind of relax right now, sort of, I mean, not, you know, as far as recording, but we have a lot of people coming up obviously, but it s nice that we have the 10 so we can just kind of, you know, not,
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you know, freak out about what we re going to talk about.
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But what we do, what we do is like, if we re having an issue in our life, Jamie will call or I ll call her and say, I want to talk about this, but let s record it.
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And, and that s why we get, it s very raw.
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And so, and it s very honest and it s not, you know, nothing s planned.
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And yeah, it s like our little therapy session that we-.
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Well, will you tell the fine people listening a little more?
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It s Jamie Lee Sigler, right?
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Yeah, Jamie Lynn Siegler and I both have MS and she s had it for about 20 years.
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She kept it a secret for at least 10.
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So she was living in with this invisible disease, trying to hide it on The Sopranos.
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She was on The Sopranos, in case nobody knows.
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But she was hiding it until she couldn t.
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So, you know, her walking got worse and things like that.
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But she, I couldn t imagine keeping it a secret because I was like, once I found out, I was like, yay, I can tell people because people weren t staring at me because I was walking weird or off balance or my speech would get strange and my hands would shiver because I was, my nervous system was going into overload.
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So that s, that s our deal.
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And she and I are friends and it was birthed out of the two of us literally just talking on the phone about a year ago or two years ago.
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No, I talked, no, three years ago.
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I don t know.
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How long have I had this for a minute?
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So
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It just was like, we would talk on the phone for hours and we d be laughing and crying.
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And we re like, you know what, let s record this because I think not just people with MS want to hear this, but anyone who s just going through something, and we re all going through something.
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So I was really, but then we also want to be funny and we have great guests that are hilarious.
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And that s like our little comic relief is our, our, our guests are like people that we know, people that we love.
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And so those conversations are also in the same vein as, as the ones that are, that Jamie and I do just on our own.
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Did you all, did you, um, set out to make sure you have a guest every time or is it random?
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Like sometimes it can just be you too, or sometimes you have a guest or is it always a guest?
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No, no, no.
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There ll be like two of us by ourselves and then a guest and we don t really have a pattern.
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It s kind of like- That s kind of good.
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That s less stress.
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Oh yeah.
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Cause we don t have, we don t want to have to deal with like people s schedules and stuff and it gets changed.
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Horrible.
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So we have like a lot of just the two of us talking about pretty deep stuff and some stupid stuff, you know, just, and then parenting or whatever s going on that day.
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And then we ll be like, oh, you know who we should have on?
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And it kind of is dictated by them.
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when they can do it.
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But our three guests that we have recorded are pretty cool.
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It s like Edie Falco, Martin Short, and Jimmy Kimmel right now.
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So those are the ones recorded, and those we ll just space out.
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as we go.
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And it s called Messy.
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Messy.
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Just so people know.
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With a capital S in the middle.
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Yes, a big M and a big S. Big S in the middle.
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Yeah.
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I do like to say that that was my idea, like a little play on our logo.
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That s very cool.
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And I do like the name because then it does give you the giant scope because life is messy.
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Very.
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And on every quadrant.
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So you re never run out of stuff to talk about.
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No, you don t.
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We really don t.
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Yeah, Dana and I, yeah.
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What would you like to talk about?
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Yeah, we can talk about anything here.
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We can talk about, Christina s always been on TV.
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I have some questions about, just because chronologically, when I heard about you was married with children, and one of my weird questions was, when you re on that show, which turns into such a monster hit, but you were pretty young when you started, and you were kind of a sex symbol when it ended.
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Is that a weird transition?
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You re pretty young to be a sex symbol.
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Well, because I didn t see myself as that, I just went back to living my life, you know?
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And I made choices after I left there to not do that again, you know, not play the sexy blonde right away.
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I think the first movie I did when I left Married was called Nowhere.
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It was a Gregg Araki movie and I had,
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purple and black hair, it was short, I had braces in it.
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I mean, I had a lisp, I had a limp.
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I mean, I went like complete polar opposite.
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And I, cause I had that for, it was for me like very cathartic for me too.
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Did you just get shorter?
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What happened Dave?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That s my thing.
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I don t think you could get any shorter, Dave.
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You fucking asshole.
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Hey, wait a minute.
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We promised we wouldn t.
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That s the kind of honesty I love.
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I m more touchy.
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That is Christina Advocate and that is messy, ladies and gentlemen.
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We ll be right back.
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I literally like almost fell out of frame.
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I know, I saw you went from here and then you went down here.
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You went down here for a second.
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So anyway, Hervé Valachette.
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You re just trying to find your good angle.
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Anything about me is off limits, but anything about you is on limits.
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That s what we ve decided.
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Fuck no, we re gonna talk about you, because you and I have known each other a very, very, very long time.
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That s why it s funny.
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Can I get some dirt?
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I m the third wheel here, but can I get some dirt that you guys have either experienced together or you talked about some dirt, some trending something?
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I don t know if there s dirt.
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Prince Harry, anything?
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Oh, I don t know those people.
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Why would I know these people?
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I don t leave my house.
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SPEAKER_00
No, but we, Dave and I, we met on, on SNL.
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I think I was, I don t even think I was like 21 even.
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I don t know how old I was.
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Oh, really?
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When you, Oh, wow.
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Cause that was, was it still married with children or you don t know?
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Yeah, I think so.
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Yeah.
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93.
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May of 93.
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Okay.
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All right, and I sort of gravitated towards you and Adam and Chris Farley.
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And we kind of hung out after work a few times.
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We were probably 26, 27, so it wasn t that far apart.
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We were going to bars, we were like, it was like, you guys kind of took me under your wing and I had such a good time with all of you.
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And that was, and you know, of course, Chris and you and I being in the sketch the very first time,
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van down by the river and we were laughing, yes.
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That s legendary.
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I have to say, I hear about that.
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I can t say every day anymore, but it comes up so many times, because that s how your name comes up always.
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People go, oh my God, you were in the thing with Christina Applegate.
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SPEAKER_01
Was that the first one, and you were laughing?
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I m like, listen, no one really wanted us to laugh.
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No, that s like in trouble stuff.
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You get in trouble there if you laugh.
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But what had happened to me personally is you, and I know now it s like, ha ha, everybody.
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Giggle, laugh at yourself at how funny you is.
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You came down the stairs at the beginning and we had just done Gap Girls.
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Oh, that s right.
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And you still had purple eyeshadow on.
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So now I m already done.
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I m like, and it was not like just a little, it was like the full eye.
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of purple eyeshadow or blue eyeshadow.
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It s not enough time to get it off, right?
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No.
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And I was already on the precipice of losing it.
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And then Chris comes out and does his thing, but he s taken it to 11.
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Whereas in rehearsal, it was 9.5, but then it was like,
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he went so far into Looney Town and Dave and I could not handle.
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And I remember- We ve never seen such bigness.
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No, like Julia and Phil were so like, kind of looking at us like mad at us because we were big.
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Oh no, they were very professional and we were not.
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Who went, I mean, cause it s just, it s so iconic.
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And Chris Farley did go to a level of energy that I don t think we ve ever seen achieved on the show.
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No.
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Of pure energy.
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of any kind, but did you guys simultaneously, were you across from each other, got eye contact and just- No, we were side by side.
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We were side by side and I could feel- And so who went first?
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You could just feel him vibrating?
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I think both of us, yes, he was my vibrator that day.
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No, he and I, I think we both broke at the same time.
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It was like,
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It was one thing he did and you and I both just like, I could feel both of us like trying to hold it in as much as we could.
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And then I put my hair in front of my eyes because I knew I had a line come up, like my only funny line in the sketch.
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And I was like, I m going to say this freaking line.
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What do you say?
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What do you do with your life?
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And you say, I m going to live down by the river.
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And I, with everything that was in myself, was to like pull it together, pull it together, pull it together, pull it together, just to deliver the line.
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And then I was done again.
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Then you can punch out again.
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Yes, I can punch out.
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SPEAKER_00
He made, he made, I m just thinking of it now, just the, the, the squat, deep squat he was in, and then the way he would pull up his pants again, he just took to a level I ve never seen.
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That s a move he s done before, but
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It s supernatural.
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It s that corkscrew where he s like pulling his belt side to side.
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Yeah, it was just snapping.
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And then he falls into the table and that was it.
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I think we were like, did he ever fall into the table before?
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And we re like, yeah, he fell into the table before, but the way he had fallen into the table in that particular moment was way dangerous.
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Right.
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It s the real one versus the rehearsal one.
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The real one matters and that s when everybody gives everything.
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Yeah, if you re lucky, you re peeking on air.
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You want to think, oh, this is the best I ve ever done it.
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You hate to peek at dress.
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He almost fell through the floor too.
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Oh, it was so nuts.
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Oh my God.
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He was so lovely.
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He also, I remember they have this meeting when you get there as a host where all the
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cast and writers and get together and pitch ideas in the room, which I know you both know that, but for your listeners may not know that this is your first introduction.
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And you can kind of tell if people are interested in having you there.
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I don t think anyone was very interested in me being there because the ideas were all kind of shit.
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But I remember
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Farley was sitting, he sat at my feet.
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And he just looked up at me with this like crazy look on his face and just get giggled and just kept giggling, just kept giggling.
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And I was like, who is this very odd human being?
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Who is this ox?
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Yeah, and he came up, he pitched the van down by the river.
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Oh, did he pitch it in the meeting?
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Oh, wow.
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I believe he did.
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And I do remember Lauren saying to me, hey, you know, Chris has been pitching this van down by the river thing for years.
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Would you mind if we do it?
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He literally said that to me.
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He s like, I got to throw him a bone on this one.
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He s pitched it so many times.
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And I was like, yeah, of course, why are you asking me?
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I m not the boss here.
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And so we did, and then- Oh, that is surprising.
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Remember, Bob Odenkirk wrote it, and then Bob left the, she must ve left by now, because I think he said they did it when he wasn t there.
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So Chris wanted to get it on.
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Yeah.
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It was like a favor, let s say.
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For it to become one of the most iconic sketches in SNL history is amazing.
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For sure.
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I m so happy to have been a part of it with you.
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I loved it too.
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That was a big moment for me to be in something that was memorable.
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You do six years in that show.
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just like life, there s a handful of things people remember from it, and that s definitely, to be in one of them was an honor, and it made me remember you forever, because we got to be in one thing together.
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I just saw...
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When Taylor, no, when Travis Kelsey yelled at the coach at the Super Bowl, I don t know if you saw that.
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I don t, I watch reality programming.
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What Super Bowl was it again, 49?
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Anyway, so.
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Naked and afraid.
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Naked and afraid.
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Nothing like it, nothing like it.
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So Travis Kelsey s yelling at the coach, and then the next day there s a meme of Travis Kelsey as Farley yelling at me, and then I never even saw, next to me was you, but they put Taylor Swift there.
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So it s a meme of him yelling at us.
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And I m like, me and Christine, and they go, no, that s Taylor.
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And it looked exactly like you.
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Oh, I d love to see that.
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That s funny.
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Oh, I ll send you a link.
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Oh, also, let s talk about another monster.
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Well, I don t want to skip over Don t Tell Mom the Babysitter s Dead.
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I love that.
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It s such a weird phenomenon, that one.
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Don t people love that?
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Like to this day, and I was like really little when I did that.
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Was that mid-Married with Children or something?
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Yeah.
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How old were you?
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20.
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You were like 20, you were like the babysitter, but it was such a weird movie, Dana.
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Not just weird, it was just a good comedy with a funny title, but I thought, I don t remember even that much about it other than going, God, that s a funny movie.
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I don t remember that much about it either because it didn t do well, but it s become this thing and, you know, catchphrases have come from it, you know, and it s so strange to me, like still people tell me about it.
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I think that s very important.
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I have some movies do okay, a lot don t.
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And then you go, I just want 10 years later, the ones that I hear about the most matter because that hit something in somebody and that s what matters.
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There s some movies that make 200 million and you go, oh yeah, I saw that when it came out.
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And you go, there s nothing memorable about it.
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There s nothing, it just comes and goes.
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So I like the ones that hit a nerve like that.
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Yeah, I think we had to pay people to see it.
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I think it was one of those situations.
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Oh, it got to that far.
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Yeah.
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It was, it was, it was a real slam, not dunk.
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That s real bad.
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And then it just grew and grew and grew.
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And then, you know, the, I m right on top of it, rose and dishes are done, man.
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And all these things that people still like still say to me.
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Yeah.
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You were pretty snarky in it.
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Was that right?
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Yeah, I was very, but I was very snarky and I ve always been very snarky.
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And especially when, you know, when I was doing it, it was like a studio movie and I was so like into independence.
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I m like, I am not gonna do a studio film.
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It s real bad, like I need an indie.
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I was that, I was really that asshole.
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And I was like, I was like super resenty doing it too.
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And I think that- I m doing you a favor.
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Yeah, I m doing you a favor.
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So I guess it kind of like made the character kind of a different teen like icon because I was such like smoking cigarettes in it and like just snarky and just looked like I didn t care.
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And there s a death in it right away, you don t give a fuck.
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Don t care and yeah.
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Yeah, I think Dana, the grandma,
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Somebody, I don t know, somebody dies and you keep it going.
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It s in it s in the title, sweetheart.
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Okay, don t tell mom.
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Don t tell mom.
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The babysitter s dead.
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It s starting to sink in.
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Now I m starting to get it.
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And is it available on Amazon, Netflix, Hulu?
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Sure, it s available.
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Christina will come over and exact it out.
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Wherever you get your 90s teen comedies.
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90s stuff.
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You can also, it s tied up with PCU in a package deal.
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Yeah, there you go.
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PCU is a movie I did in the old days, Dana.
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There you go.
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Back then we didn t get backend, which really now to this day, like makes me so mad because I know people have been watching it and buying it and stuff over all these years.
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You know, that s the kind that makes 10 million in the theater, Dana, and then it makes a hundred million on video and someone s quietly raking the fucking money in, but it s not me or Christina.
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Right.
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Anchorman was the gift that kept on giving because we also didn t make the money that they wanted us to make when it opened.
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Oh, really?
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It was considered a flop.
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Like one of the executives at DreamWorks, who is a friend of mine, like called me crying on Monday going, we didn t do it.
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We just didn t do it.
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And then it just grew and grew and grew.
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And we were lucky enough to have a little piecey piece on the backy back.
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And once the DVDs, yes, DVDs came out.
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Oh, wait, no, no tapes.
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VHS tapes.
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Sorry.
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There weren t even DVDs back then.
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Once that happened, it was like the little checkies would come in and I d be like, well, this is this is the gift that keeps on giving mailbox money.
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Not anymore.
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But, you know, no.
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But then again, from a movie is so rare.
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Yeah.
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Is it like it was a guy?
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I can t believe Bob Iger would say.
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It was a bomb because it was so different, and then it s like a cult classic.
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How much did it eventually make?
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300 million or something like that?
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I ll never see it even close to what those people did, but the fact that it was like that Monday morning was a somber Monday.
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What a bummer, you couldn t even celebrate.
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It took so long for you to figure out it was a hit.
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One day you re just like, I think this is a fucking hit.
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Yeah, and then it, yeah.
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And it s now a sequel.
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Yes.
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So it has to do X amount to really, sequels are a gamble, so.
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But it took 10 years for it to like, it was really 10 years of people finding it for it to become that.
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Wow.
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Yeah, but so many lines.
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Talk about lines to repeat so many stars.
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Oh my God.
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And so many people that just fucking love it.
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And you had such a good part.
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Yeah, she was a fun one.
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And you know, I wasn t sure about doing that either.
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I was like, so that guy.
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I was like, I don t know.
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What were you sure about?
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You dodged one bullet, Christina, I think.
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Let me go do that $100,000 budget movie and be like really indie.
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Indie Sundance.
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I think you, didn t Mike want to get you for Wins World 2, which didn t do that well, I think.
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I think the part was it being me being like a, like a slutty girl, I think, or like myself, but like, or the idea of what I was and you know me, I was like, I can t do that because I am an artist.
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I remember Lauren saying, uh, Christina passed.
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Oh, I m sorry.
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That was a news on the set today.
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You were fine.
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I always, when anyone turns out anything, my respect meter goes up.
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They just do what they want.
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You know, Christina wants to know if it could be an astronaut instead.
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Yeah, she s an astronaut or science teacher.
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Top of her class.
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Yeah.
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My wife, who probably didn t watch Married with Children, things like this.
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So she got really acquainted with you.
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on Dead to Me, and is a crazy fan of that show.
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So that must be kind of fun for you, where people are like, aren t that familiar with all your work?
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Another biggie.
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And then see this show, which was brilliant.
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Thank you.
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And really, I tell people, Ozarks, I tell people- Why didn t you turn down Dead to Me?
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You ve seen Dead to Me, you know.
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I was gonna lose my SAG insurance.
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I know, I was offered the James Marsden part.
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It was me and Jimmy Marsden.
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You and Jimmy Jam.
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And I said, let Jimmy do it.
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You said, I owe Christina a turndown.
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I m turning, I m passing.
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Why didn t I turn that down?
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No, I m saying why did Dana turn it down?
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Why did Dana turn it down?
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Oh yeah, okay.
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On Dead to Me?
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Yeah.
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He can t be bothered with that shit.
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I miss Dead to Me.
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You never hurt your career by saying no.
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These are Lauren-isms.
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There you go.
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No one s ever ruined their career by saying no.
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It s only would like you say yes.
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Yes.
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SPEAKER_00
He produced a show I was on called Up All Night with Will Arnett.
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and Maya Rudolph.
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I know you re looking at like, what was that?
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I was like, it was on for two years, guys.
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And it was actually really good.
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It s actually a really good show.
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SPEAKER_00
On TV?
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SPEAKER_00
On the television programs, on- NBC?
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SPEAKER_00
Was it NBC?
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SPEAKER_00
I have a deal with them.
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SPEAKER_00
Because that s a Lorne.
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SPEAKER_00
Yes, it s a Lorne thing.
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I saw Lorne a lot while we were doing that.
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SPEAKER_01
No, no.
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SPEAKER_00
And all your SNL people.
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Emily Spivey created it.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, that s pretty safe route.
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You got Lorne, Emily, you got Maya, Will.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it was very SNL heavy.
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When did that bomb?
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When did that bomb?
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Um, 11, 13 years ago, 13 years ago because, um, it, I had just had my baby and now she s 13.
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SPEAKER_00
So we did that for two years from 2011.
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to 12 to, I think then, yeah, in 2013, the old Plugaroonie was pulled.
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And put us to rest.
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I hate that when I hear about shows getting canceled.
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But it s actually really, like, I ve seen it now.
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I didn t see it at the time.
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And I watch it now and it s really clever because it s about new parents and kind of that.
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And I was going through that at the time and Will was going through it and Maya was going through it, like having like little ones and trying to live life.
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and struggling between trying to stay young and drinking all the time.
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Just all the things that you give up for being a parent.
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It was actually quite good.
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I m not going to lie.
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I like this figure of speech.
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That cast is a murderer s row.
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It s a murderer s row.
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We have Christina and Maya and Will.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, people at home that learn about Hollywood, really, if you re pitching a show, even to this day, they ll be like,
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Who s your showrunner?
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SPEAKER_01
We want a sexy showrunner that people know, like a Tina Fey, someone that s, they just don t want to get fired.
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So they re like, if I put Christina in it, she s a big star.
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SPEAKER_01
Tina Fey is a big writer.
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We get a big producer in there and we get a good studio.
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SPEAKER_01
That is the safe way they ll buy that because they don t want to have anyone pointing to them saying, why would you buy that?
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It didn t work.
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You say, this is the safest we can do.
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Everyone s good.
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And so with that cast, everyone s good.
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Probably a good idea.
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And sometimes, and two years isn t bad.
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That s not bombing overnight.
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I am the two year queen.
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Every show that I ve had that s been my show has only been two years except for Dead to Me.
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two years.
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Dead to Me was three.
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So it didn t really make it out of there too much.
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But no, I agree.
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I mean, I think that, but also with our show, like we got to cuss on NBC.
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So we were like the first show that like we bleeped constantly.
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So it just kind of made it a little edgy, a little whatever.
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It was like a little show, but
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I think, and they kept moving us.
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That s what happens a lot.
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The kiss of death.
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It really is.
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We were doing so well, and then they re like, you re doing well, so let s move you to a night that- Yeah, are you strong enough to hold another night?
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And they re like, nope, and goodbye.
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Nope, you re in, and bye.
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And that was kind of what happened.
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I did two years with your friend, Katie Segal, my friend, on Eight Simple Rules.
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Let s look at a clip.
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Yeah, I m kidding.
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No, I. She was great and she had done yours and she was great.
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She s such a solid like knows what she s doing.
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No, she s she s an earth mama.
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She s she raised me.
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So I always say if anyone has any issues with me, it s because I was raised by Katie and Ed.
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So it s like if you don t like it, it was Katie and Ed.
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If you do like it, it was Katie and Ed.
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Yeah, she was raising Kaylee and the other girls on that show.
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And they went for her all the time.
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She s.
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Ed O Neill keeps on the podcast.
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Yeah, we love Ed O Neill.
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We kind of love Ed O Neill, like wanna hang out with him.
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Yes.
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I don t know.
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He and I talk on the phone like at least three times a week.
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Oh, really?
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Oh, great.
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Yes.
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That s all I need to know.
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Yes.
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Like at least three times a week.
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But he calls me a lot too.
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And Eddie, it s totally fine, but he ll call me like at weird hours and he knows I sleep to a certain time.
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And then I m like, get all these missed calls from Ed and I m like, is there an emergency?
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And he s like, no, I just want to talk, you know?
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So, but yeah, we just sit on the phone for like an hour sometimes and just laugh and talk about life.
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Yeah, he s something about him.
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He s fun to talk to, man.
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Does he FaceTime you from his Brinks truck?
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I know.
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there s no sense he s an actor.
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I said, did you, were you thinking when Married with Children was blowing up, what s going to happen to you?
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He goes, no, I was just thinking finishing that week s.
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I mean, he s the most kind of blue collar vibe about a star and so fun to talk about anything.
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Yeah.
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And, and really just says stuff that s not
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PC and, and, and those are behind closed doors.
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And it s, it s always been that way.
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He doesn t care.
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Different generation.
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He s awesome.
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And, and I think it s so nice now that because I am a grown, you know, I m 52 years old and we didn t have this kind of relationship when we were doing the show, you know, we were the kids and Dave and I, and kind of treated differently.
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like second class citizens, basically, if you re the kids.
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And, you know, now the household and in the show.
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And and now, you know, we can be friends because I m a I m a grown up.
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I ve had a lot of life that I ve lived.
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And so we we we talk on the same level, which is what s really nice.
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And we love each other to death.
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And Katie to Katie s come to see me a couple of times in the last year.
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And we she lays in my bed and we just hold hands and talk and cry and watch TV.
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Yeah, I mean
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I mean, that was just such a part of your upbringing that, it s probably hard, it s just such a, to be, you were kind of a child star?
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I mean, when did you start that thing?
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Well, we started Marriott at 15, but I ve been, you know, I joined SAG in 1974.
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So this has been part of my life for, like, not kidding, it s on that time.
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I m doing a honeycomb commercial.
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I don t even know what I was doing, but I ve been in SAG for a long time.
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And so I did a lot of stuff before that.
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I was on two different series before that and that no one saw, obviously, and then lots of guest appearances on everything from, you know, Silver Spoons and,
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family ties, you know, everything that was on at the time, I was on.
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You know what was funny in Married to Children was I think when you came in or any girl that was pretty came in the audience goes, woo, before you could even say a line.
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It s so funny.
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It was, yeah.
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They started to go crazy.
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We would actually get annoyed sometimes.
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Yeah, of course, it like breaks the rhythm.
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It breaks the rhythm, but it also takes up time and then, yeah.
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But yeah, I, I never thought I was like, I created that character because I saw a movie called The Western, The Decline of the Western Civilization Part Two, The Metal Years.
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Penelope Sears.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And there was a girl in there who just won Miss Guzzaris and they were asking her what she was going to do next.
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And she says, Miss Guzzaris.
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Yeah.
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And she goes, I m going to continue with my modeling and my actressing.
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And she had on, you know, the little lycra dress.
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And Kelly Bundy was a totally different character before that.
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She was like biker chick and, you know, during the years that no one saw it, she was like a little biker chick, kind of tough, kind of stuff.
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And I was like, no, we need to represent this, what this is going on right now in the zeitgeist, like these girls, like these rock slutty girls.
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And I was like, let s go, let s do it.
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And we went the next day to Melrose to get like a bunch of those little dresses.
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that I had never put something on like that in my life, because I was a hippie.
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I loved Janis Joplin and The Beatles and Led Zeppelin.
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I was totally not that guy.
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And lo and behold, that s where the character came from.
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How cool that you steered it.
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So wait a minute, they listened to you when you were a teenager and adapted.
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That s pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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Like once they saw the look, we were like, oh, this, yeah, this is what we re doing.
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Like we re playing one of those girls that we re seeing in these videos with these hairband guys.
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Like, well, this is who she is.
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And I played her as a virgin.
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I know a lot of people like laugh at that, but for me, Kelly Bundy was a virgin because I think if I had played her as actually, you know, going out there and being slutty, like there would be an essence of that, that I don t think people would have kind of loved her.
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So for me, it was never said, it was just my little secret.
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I know you re like, yeah, right.
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But that s how- No, I play Garth as a version.
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Yeah.
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And then you re lovable.
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Then you re not skanky and you re not edgy and it makes people uncomfortable.
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So I think that s what worked.
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Well, Mike assisted me because the second movie, I think his line was, this year, and he always did this, Garth finally got pubes.
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And I was 38 at the time.
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I m like,
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How am I supposed to play?
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These guys think I m 15.
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There s not enough light.
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We don t even know how old you are.
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We re like, huh?
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Yeah, no one ever knew.
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Even Garth didn t know his own age.
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That s really funny.
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How old are you?
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I don t know.
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Those movies were great, by the way, just FY.
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The first one had a lot of sparkle to it because we had no time and we were just innocent, you know?
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We were just moving very fast.
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And the second one s like, oh, you know.
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Well, talk about iconic.
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I mean, the scene in the car, that s like, you know,
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You can go on and repeat with that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I was on a Zoom, we were on a Zoom, me and Mike with Brian May and talking about that song and stuff.
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And I think that, you know, syncopation is so potent when you see musical movies.
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So we re all just like wandering around and then the song goes off, nothing really matters.
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And we re just, the whole thing is deflated down.
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And then when I see it, I go, oh fuck, no wonder that was a hit.
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It feels so good.
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All heads are going to that beat.
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What was that musical, L.A.
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from five years ago?
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With Ryan Gosling and- La La Land.
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La La Land.
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La La Land.
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When I saw that, I was like, oh, they re on the bench and it s not even that sophisticated, but their legs are crossing at the same time and they re tapping at the same time.
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It s very irresistible.
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Let s, you know, just appreciate it, but.
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Dana goes, that movie, L.A., L.A.
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Land.
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L.A.
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Land.
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He never knew his La La Land till this night.
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Early onset, that s what she said at my age.
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No, knock, knock.
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It s a joke.
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Early onset.
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I have a question, but this one, I don t know if I m allowed to.
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Of herpes.
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SPEAKER_02
Let s just call it onset of herpes.
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This trivia of Christina, you don t have to talk about it, but this River Phoenix, I don t think I ever ran into, but you were there that night at the Viper Club?
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Because I live right by the Viper Club.
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But you were there that night?
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Well, I never knew that.
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That s heavy duty.
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Were you friends with him?
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And then I ll ask you.
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Goddamn, River Phoenix in a stud.
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I was more probably involved in what had happened than people know.
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And I don t want to talk about it out of respect for Rain and Joaquin.
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But yes, River actually, and this I can talk about, River was one of the reasons I became a vegetarian at 14.
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Oh, for real.
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Yeah, he was, you know, his family s vegetarian and he brought me to this really incredible like fundraiser event that for his family had a great vegan cookbook.
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And it really like, he really wanted me to just kind of see the light and I did.
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And it was one of the reasons and- He was early on in that.
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Oh, he s, no, he grew up that way.
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But Joaquin, who at the time his name was Leaf, he and River and I, when we were like 10,
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maybe 10 years old, we took break dancing classes with Jason Harvey.
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Harvey, Jason Harvey, Jason.
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Who s Jason Harvey?
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I don t know, Google it.
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He was on the show with the 1950s and the talkie talkie narrator and the kid.
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Oh, I know him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What is the show called?
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Come on.
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Wonder Years.
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Thank you, Wonder Years.
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There we go.
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We have a winner coming through in the class.
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So the three of us took break dancing classes with him when we were little.
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That s how long.
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How did you find break dancing?
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Because it s, it s, it s incredibly intense exercise or you go to the floor.
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It was Jason Hervey teaching it.
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So it s not like, you know, but I could do like 30, I could do like 30 backspins.
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I mean, on your back where you spin on a piece of cardboard.
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Holy shit.
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Do anything like that now.
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for many reasons, I m old.
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I have to say, I know Joaquin a little bit and that guy could not be cooler.
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And what a stud, what a great actor.
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I never met her.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, we re gonna go back to Pussycat Dolls.
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You weren t part of the early Pussycat Dolls because I used to see them.
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Was it maybe the Viper or maybe one of those places?
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Yeah, it was Viper.
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It was our first performances were at Viper and Robin Anton who created it was my roommate.
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And so it was actually created in my dance studio, which is now my gym, unfortunately, but it was a dance studio.
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I always made a dance studio in every house that I moved into because I was a dancer at heart.
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And yeah, I was in the first all of it for like, I don t know, we did for like 12 years on it, like at the Viper Room.
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And then it got big and it was then it was at the Roxy.
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And then we started having singers in it, like Gwen Stefani, Christina Aguilera, Carmen Electra.
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Yeah, all these people would come and do the songs.
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And then Jimmy Iovine from Interscope was like, you know what, let s turn this into a band.
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And then it wasn t a dance group anymore.
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Then it became a pop band and it was like changed completely.
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But yeah.
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Yeah.
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It feels like that s something that will come back.
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Someone will be like, let s audition the people for the Pussycat Dolls and remake the thing.
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I think Robin has a place in Vegas.
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I think it s in Vegas, right?
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Yeah.
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Oh, they do?
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I always like to say this, Robin does owe me three months rent.
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And I think she really does, but I m like, and one time she pulled up in like her, her Bentley.
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And I was like, you know, you owe me like at least three months rent before you moved out of here.
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So, because then she became like a, you know, a mogul.
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SPEAKER_02
She s now a mogul.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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I d like to become a mogul at all.
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I don t know.
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I mean, I m investing, I m doing what I can.
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Making some moves.
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Dana s hair looks good.
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No one can see it today, but he s nailing it.
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No one can see it.
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SPEAKER_00
It s a lot of work.
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SPEAKER_00
I have only so many soldiers and so much territory.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like a game of risk up here.
4
SPEAKER_01
Move the troops to the front, move the troops this way, hide these.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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You got a solid scrunchie something going on.
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I know.
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It s the only thing I can do.
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My hair is so like gray now.
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I got to put it up on top of my head.
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SPEAKER_00
So how are you feeling like at this moment?
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I mean, in terms of your energy, is it ebb and flow?
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Cause you were like really on, on Kimmel last night and you re very sharp right now.
4
SPEAKER_00
You know, I mean, I take naps all the time, but
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How are you managing your energy?
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Is it just surprising or can you do stuff like I ll be on this hour?
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That s kind of how it is.
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It s like I have to prepare mentally that I m going to have to wake up because I do sleep a lot.
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And I m like, okay, let s just do it, do it, do it.
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And then I do it and then I m exhausted.
5
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And then I m kind of busted for a few days after doing things.
5
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I don t want it to be like that.
5
SPEAKER_00
You know, there s like this little sense of hope in me that I can play tennis again.
5
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And, you know, we kind of know I won t be able to, but there s this place in me that I m like, I belong to a tennis club.
5
SPEAKER_00
I really do.
5
SPEAKER_00
I pay dues at the tennis club and I can t play tennis anymore.
5
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But there s this part of me like, no, I m not going to give up my, my membership.
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I m because I got to get there.
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I m going to get there and I m going to hit balls.
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I don t know if it s going to be on the court.
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I mean, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_02
You re probably steeped in this, but in the sort of disease I had where my LDL cholesterol would be three to 400, then only last year they had a bi-yearly shot, which would bring the bad cholesterol, kind of the pace that your body would use to make arterial plaque.
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Now mine is 39.
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There s no side effects.
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It s done a different way than a statin.
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SPEAKER_02
In other words, the technology and now AI and biomedicine are just married at the hip.
5
SPEAKER_02
And you re young.
5
SPEAKER_02
I mean, there must be a lot of things coming down the pike that may resolve this.
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SPEAKER_00
There s like the regulars that we all do, which are infusions.
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SPEAKER_00
And they re like pretty hardcore infusions.
5
SPEAKER_00
They, they attack the B cells in your body and it s known to now slow progression.
5
SPEAKER_00
So for the last three years, I ve had no new lesions on my brain and no active lesions.
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SPEAKER_00
There s still lesions, but like for something, the medicine s working to not progress because this is a disease that you eventually you succumb to if not,
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SPEAKER_00
for these medications.
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SPEAKER_00
It was the disease that people just died from.
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SPEAKER_00
You just, it was, that was it.
5
SPEAKER_00
And you still can, but we re hoping that, you know, we got these ones that are kind of keeping it from getting worse, but it doesn t get better.
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That s the thing that I don t think people understand.
5
SPEAKER_01
There is no- They re working on getting it better, but right now they re just slowing it down.
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We re just slowing it down.
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And so that we can live a little bit longer than what people, you know, people were just dying from it, like within a year.
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they would become paraplegics and be done.
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So there is, you know, at least we have these things, but, you know, of course.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t know.
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I would love for something to be like, we ve got it.
5
SPEAKER_00
But because they don t know how you get it, there s always that question of, you know.
5
SPEAKER_01
Oh, they still don t know.
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No, no.
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There s a lot of theories on that.
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And no one s really figured it out because it s all different kinds of people with all different kinds of lifestyles and all different kinds, all different ages.
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Now people are getting in their twenties.
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It s not like a health thing.
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It s not like healthy people get it.
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No, no, not.
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I mean, all the people that I know who have it, we re all very different lives we ve lived and ages and no one thing.
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So that s where it gets confusing for the medical industry and the scientists who are trying to figure it out, I think, because there really is no known reason.
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God, it really raises awareness, though, that you re out there.
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I wanted to say to you guys too, because I know that you guys had asked me kind of, I think it was last year or something to come on and I wasn t ready to speak to anybody about anything.
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So I want you to know that I was not like not wanting to be with you guys.
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What?
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if you weren t big-timing us?
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No, I was literally like, I can t speak to people.
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I understand.
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I m too upset right now.
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And so until I got my confidence back to be able to see who I was again or get back to who I am in my heart.
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Yeah, understand a million percent.
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Yeah.
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And it just, time is such a magic elixir of trying to put your mind around what happened to you, you know, and what s happening because it s surreal, right?
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I forget about it in my dreams, you know?
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And then I wake up in the morning and the first foot goes down onto the ground and all the pain starts again.
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And then I m reminded again.
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And then I just want to get back into bed because I don t want to be reminded of it.
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I mean, that s really my cyclical thing right now, which is probably not the healthiest for my emotional life and my spiritual life and all the lives that you have.
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But right now that s the deal.
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I m in my dream and I m doing things.
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And then I wake up and I m reminded again of kind of the hell that people with MS live through.
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And then people will be like, well, why aren t you doing as well as so-and-so?
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And you re like, oh my God, it s so different for every single one of us is so different.
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It depends on where your lesions are.
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It depends on when you caught it.
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It depends on so many things.
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So it s I really get even my dad was like.
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It s like Selma s on Dancing with the Stars.
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Why aren t you doing what Selma did?
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I was like, oh, no.
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Oh, my own.
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Have you tried bananas?
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Yeah.
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Are you eating bananas?
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I heard that lion s mane mushrooms can cure it.
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I said, oh, really?
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So tell that to the millions of people in America that have it, that, oh, we just take a lion s mane mushroom and we re just symptom-free?
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Are you kidding me?
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The human brain, if someone gets a disease or something, the human brain goes to why they can t get it.
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Yeah.
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I eat tomatoes or whatever it is.
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It s absurd and ridiculous.
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They just don t want to think that they don t know because it s frightening.
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It s frightening for people, especially when they ask me, well, how did you get it?
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And I say, no one knows, man, you could get it tomorrow.
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I wouldn t say that to someone, but like literally think it.
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I do think it.
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I m like, you keep asking me that.
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Maybe that s that s the reason.
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But you and Selma are both so funny.
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Selma s great.
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I ve known her over the years.
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She s so funny.
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I m sure she has her ups and downs also, but it s great that, I saw her out the other night.
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She looked great.
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Anyway, I- She s kind of in a nickname.
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No, Selma Blair.
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Oh, Selma Blair.
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Jamie and I are always like, how is she, what is she, how s she doing that?
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with both of us are like, what?
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How is she out there?
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Tomatoes.
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Apparently it s tomatoes.
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No.
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Gradient scale of how it, you know, but I, it s, it just talking to you now, it s, I think it doing this podcast with Jamie is if for better, for worse, somewhat healing or helpful anyway, it s in the helpful column, right?
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Being able to talk about it with her and talk about it publicly.
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You ve done 10.
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Are you feeling good that you decided to do this?
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Yeah.
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This podcast.
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Absolutely.
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Because if I didn t have Jamie and I didn t have these conversations, honestly, like not on a business level of like, of course we want it to do well so that, you know, she and I who don t really work, you know, like live and put food on the table and stuff.
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But it also has been like, it gives me something to look forward to.
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that I m gonna, because I spend 99.9% of the day alone.
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And so it s like, I actually get to talk.
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and that there s an actual conversation and not like my daughter acting me, you know, like, mom, go get me my thing.
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You know, and that s kind of the end of it.
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No, we, she and I actually hang out.
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My daughter and I are pretty good friends, but you know, it s like nice to just feel seen and heard.
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Well, it s fun to think of something in the day and think of something to talk about.
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And then you do a little pre thing with her and say, what should we do here?
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And all that stuff is fun.
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Dana and I do that.
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It s kind of fun.
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It s something that I like to fill a day with.
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It s nice.
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And you know, you, what you have is,
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Interestingly, you have an unmistakable voice, and I do like voices, and it s just once you say your voice, I know it s you.
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And that s great, especially for a podcast.
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So we wish you well with it, and we appreciate you coming on here.
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I just like having some laughs with you for a while.
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I haven t seen you in so long.
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I know, and we always have.
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like laugh when we re together out in the world.
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It s fun.
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Always.
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Because we re both really snarky.
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Yeah.
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I m snarky or snarky.
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Dana s a little snarky.
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I said to David, I was watching more of your stuff, I said, you guys are kindred spirits.
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He did say that.
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He said that right before.
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He s like that.
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There s a certain wit.
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I don t know what you call it, but yeah, you guys are sidebars are pretty fun.
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Like when David and I have been out places are like, like surrounded by people like at a party and the two of us find each other and are just like total assholes.
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It s just but make each other laugh.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You know, it s funny, Stan Ackroyd is the first person to say I was snarky and I never knew what that word meant and I never heard it.
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And then I had to ask people, I said, is that a mean thing to say?
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They said, no, it s just what you are.
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And I m like, well, it could be mean.
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I don t know.
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I mean, I still don t know.
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I mean, it can be, but it s funny.
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I like it.
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I like being snarky.
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I like being like,
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offensive and funny, and I enjoy surprising people by what comes out of my mouth.
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It makes me happy because that s what s happening in my brain.
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Okay, I m going to throw this out.
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You guys, you two do a spinoff podcast.
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A lot of people have three or four podcasts called Snark Attack.
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Oh, yeah.
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That s the title.
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There you go.
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You two.
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We have one week called Snark Week.
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Oh yeah, snark quake.
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A whole play on words.
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And then there s not much to it, but it s a funny play on words.
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Yeah, and we just think that we re hilarious.
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Yeah, we laugh so fucking hard.
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We laugh at all the funnies that come out of our mouths, and no one else is.
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No one else is.
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All right, let s let Christina go, and thank you very much, Christina.
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Thank you for coming on.
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Oh, thank you so much for having us, and thank you for doing what you do, and thank you for, I don t know, I love you both, I really do.
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Thank you for all, everything.
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Huge fan.
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We re sending you a lot of love.
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Big fan.
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Big fan, bye.
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