0
SPEAKER_02
Welcome back to the School of Greatness, my friend.
0
SPEAKER_02
I m Lewis Howes, your host, and today we are thrilled to have back the legendary Robin Sharma, a globally respected leader, expert, and best-selling author.
0
SPEAKER_02
In this episode, we dive into the common traps and mistakes that even the wealthiest people in the world fall into and the areas that truly matter beyond material success.
0
SPEAKER_02
We discussed the difference between material wealth and authentic wealth.
0
SPEAKER_02
And Robin breaks down the habit stack of super wealthy people, which I loved, providing us with a roadmap to not just financial abundance, but a rich life in purpose and meaning.
0
SPEAKER_02
Get ready to discover the secrets to authentic wealth and abundance with Robin Sharma.
0
SPEAKER_00
You ve got to believe in your vision when no one believes in your vision until the world believes in your vision.
0
SPEAKER_01
Today s guest is an international bestselling author.
0
SPEAKER_01
He s penned over 20 books, several of which have set sales records across the globe.
0
SPEAKER_01
And he was ranked as one of the top five leadership experts in the world.
0
SPEAKER_01
The bestselling author of the 5am Club, Robin Sharma.
0
SPEAKER_00
Words are powerful, words are programs.
0
SPEAKER_00
We talked about programming.
0
SPEAKER_00
One of the antidotes to limitation, scarcity, fear, is you start to reprogram by using wealth words.
0
SPEAKER_00
Words are very powerful and they plant seeds in the subconscious which determine our behaviors.
0
SPEAKER_00
I m gonna get away from the noise so I can hear the signal and I m gonna create something so beautiful, so masterful, so disruptive.
0
SPEAKER_00
When you come back and release it, I mean, people sniff quality a mile away and they re aching for magic.
0
SPEAKER_03
What s the biggest thing you ve had to let go of in your life that held you back the most?
0
SPEAKER_03
You always ask the hardest questions out of anyone.
0
SPEAKER_03
You talk about the habit stack of super wealthy people.
0
SPEAKER_03
Can you walk us through this habit stack that wealthy people have?
0
SPEAKER_03
First thing I would say is
0
SPEAKER_03
Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness.
0
SPEAKER_03
Very excited about our guest.
0
SPEAKER_03
We have the inspiring Robin Sharma in the house.
0
SPEAKER_03
You have sold over 25 million copies of your books.
0
SPEAKER_03
You have impacted millions of lives through your workshops, your speaking, your mentorship, your coaching.
0
SPEAKER_03
You ve worked with some of the biggest athletes, superstars, billionaires, artists in the world.
0
SPEAKER_03
You ve got a number of massive books, but you ve got a big one out right now that I think is going to change a lot of lives.
0
SPEAKER_03
The Eight Hidden Habits to Live Your Richest Life.
0
SPEAKER_03
It s called The Wealth Money Can t Buy.
0
SPEAKER_03
I m excited about this, but before we dive in, Robin, welcome back.
0
SPEAKER_03
I haven t seen you in a few years, but we ve been connected over phone and text and voicemail for a while.
0
SPEAKER_03
But I wanted to first start, before I jump into the first question about the difference between wealth and authentic wealth, which I m going to get to in a second,
0
SPEAKER_03
There is one thing that you told me in one of the last couple of interviews we ve done that has really transformed the way I think and feel about myself and life.
0
SPEAKER_03
And I don t know if you remember this, but the first time we met, I was going through a big challenge in my life.
0
SPEAKER_03
I d just gone through a breakup and I was dealing with some chatter and some confusion online and people trying to say nasty things about me.
0
SPEAKER_03
And I remember feeling a lot of emotional uncertainty.
0
SPEAKER_03
And this was happening maybe a week before you came on the show.
0
SPEAKER_03
And I was kind of unloading on you emotionally right before we got on.
0
SPEAKER_03
And you told me a line that I ve said many times since five, six years ago that I repeat all the time when anyone else is going through a challenge in their life.
0
SPEAKER_03
And the line you said is that a bad day for the ego is a great day for the soul.
0
SPEAKER_03
And I ve repeated that over and over again to people when they re going through a difficult time or when I m going through a challenging time.
0
SPEAKER_03
So I first want to acknowledge you, Robin, for being at the right place at the right time for me when I was going through a challenge.
0
SPEAKER_03
and sharing your wisdom from your experience in life when you ve gone through challenges, and just speaking life into me at the right moment for me, because it really gave me perspective that a bad day for the ego is actually a great day for the soul.
0
SPEAKER_03
So I just wanted to start with that, and thank you and acknowledge you for your wisdom and your experience.
0
SPEAKER_03
And we can get back to that, but I want to start with this question around wealth.
0
SPEAKER_03
Because I think that also connects to wealth.
0
SPEAKER_03
I think a lot of people want to feel wealthy, and they think of financial wealth first.
0
SPEAKER_03
But you talk about these different levels of wealth in life.
0
SPEAKER_03
And I want to get to some of these other levels in a minute.
0
SPEAKER_03
But I want to ask you first about the difference between what is authentic wealth versus normal wealth, if we could start there.
0
SPEAKER_00
Sure.
0
SPEAKER_00
Well, first of all, really happy to be helpful.
0
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
0
SPEAKER_00
And thanks for being so generous in what you just said.
0
SPEAKER_00
So we live in a fascinating world, Lewis.
0
SPEAKER_00
We ve been hypnotized and mesmerized by society to believe that winning is a large stock portfolio.
0
SPEAKER_00
Get the yacht, get the watch, get the fame, fortune and applause.
0
SPEAKER_00
And one day you ll wake up and you ll feel fantastic.
0
SPEAKER_00
And anyone who has achieved those things will tell you, and just to use the Zen proverb, wherever you go, there you are.
0
SPEAKER_00
So, I think too many good souls have fallen into a trap of thinking, if I just had the right amount of money and I achieved material wealth,
0
SPEAKER_00
everything will be okay.
0
SPEAKER_00
Well, for 15 plus years, this is year 31, I ve been in the personal mastery leadership field, but for 15 plus years, I ve worked with many of the world s celebrity billionaires, entertainment legends, and sports superstars.
0
SPEAKER_00
And I can tell you personally that some of those people, if not many of those people are cash rich, but life poor.
0
SPEAKER_00
So the wealth money can t buy is based on the eight forms of wealth.
0
SPEAKER_00
Money is one of the forms of wealth.
0
SPEAKER_00
I m not going to sit here and say money s not important.
0
SPEAKER_00
It puts food on the family table, allows us to do amazing things for the people we love, allows us to serve those in need.
0
SPEAKER_00
It allows us not to get backed into the corner to make decisions we don t want to make.
0
SPEAKER_00
But there are seven other forms of wealth that when we pursue them, we find authentic wealth, real riches versus financial fortune where we become worldly successful but empty of heart.
0
SPEAKER_00
And I think in this social media age, there are just so many people.
0
SPEAKER_00
I mean, we re tribal.
0
SPEAKER_00
We have a neurobiological instinct to follow the crowd.
0
SPEAKER_00
We have mirror neurons.
0
SPEAKER_00
So we do what the mass of people is doing.
0
SPEAKER_00
But what s the point of climbing a mountain, spending our best years doing it, only to realize at the end of a quarter, decade, lifetime,
0
SPEAKER_00
we climb the wrong mountain.
0
SPEAKER_00
And so what I m trying to do is show people a map or a framework of real wealth, and it has eight forms, not just money.
0
SPEAKER_03
What do you think is the most influential form of wealth outside of money that people are missing today?
0
SPEAKER_00
I think many of the seven, aside from money, I would say
0
SPEAKER_00
Service is incredibly important.
0
SPEAKER_00
Before we went on, I hope you don t mind me saying, but you said an intention to be of service.
0
SPEAKER_00
And I think it s very easy to think, oh, that s some kind of a metaphysical or philosophical idea.
0
SPEAKER_00
But if you want to be a great entrepreneur, for example, be monomaniacally focused on distributing as much value as possible to human beings.
0
SPEAKER_00
Our job as an entrepreneur is to push magic into the marketplace.
0
SPEAKER_00
And when you push magic into the marketplace in a world that celebrates mediocrity, you stand out, you differentiate, create fanatical followers.
0
SPEAKER_00
But service is also remembering that in this age of polycrisis, you know,
0
SPEAKER_00
People need to be seen.
0
SPEAKER_00
Services, even listening to someone.
0
SPEAKER_00
Services, seeing someone in need and helping them in some way.
0
SPEAKER_00
Services, just being as helpful as possible.
0
SPEAKER_00
So I think service is a form of wealth.
0
SPEAKER_00
Mahatma Gandhi said it beautifully.
0
SPEAKER_00
He said, to lose yourself in service of others is to find yourself.
0
SPEAKER_00
So we re all looking to find ourselves, to find fulfillment, happiness.
0
SPEAKER_00
And it s such a paradox, but we find that happiness, we find that wealth.
0
SPEAKER_00
when we give ourselves to others.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s such an amazing paradox.
0
SPEAKER_00
In the book, I talk about a conversation I had in Barcelona.
0
SPEAKER_00
I don t know why I always befriend doormen at hotels or door people, you know.
0
SPEAKER_00
And his name was Alberto.
0
SPEAKER_00
And so we were chatting, and I got the sense Alberto
1
SPEAKER_00
not have realized what a giant he was.
1
SPEAKER_00
And so I said, Alberto, it was a beautiful Barcelona day.
1
SPEAKER_00
I said, Alberto, you know, if you uplift 100 people every day by being positive and polite and give them gifts of kindness and positivity, at the end of the year, that s 3,000 plus people.
1
SPEAKER_00
At the end of a decade, it s 30,000 people.
1
SPEAKER_00
At the end of a lifetime, it s 300,000 people.
1
SPEAKER_00
I said, you can have a huge impact.
1
SPEAKER_00
So I think service would be one.
1
SPEAKER_00
I think family is one we miss.
1
SPEAKER_00
I think adventure is one we miss.
1
SPEAKER_00
Craft is a form of wealth we can talk about.
1
SPEAKER_00
I think we miss some of those.
1
SPEAKER_01
Service as one of the main forms of wealth.
1
SPEAKER_01
What would you say is the percentage of people in today s society in?
1
SPEAKER_01
general That are missing service.
1
SPEAKER_01
It seems like a very self-centered Society or at least what you see on social media like you mentioned sometimes But what do you think is the percentage of people that are missing service and are more focused on self in today s world?
1
SPEAKER_00
Well, the way I d answer that, Lewis, is if we are stuck in scarcity, then we are not going to stand for generosity.
1
SPEAKER_00
You know this so well.
1
SPEAKER_00
You teach it in your books and in your methodology.
1
SPEAKER_00
But our primary relationship with ourself determines every other relationship.
1
SPEAKER_00
And that s why the first form of wealth and the wealth money can t buy is growth.
1
SPEAKER_00
To develop yourself, to build a strong character, to get to know your heroic elements, to tap into your wisdom, to know how strong you are, to know your gifts and talents, to know how loving you can be is a form of wealth.
1
SPEAKER_00
I mean, intimacy with your mastery is a form of wealth.
1
SPEAKER_00
And the reason I made that the first form of wealth is the relationship with you determines every other relationship.
1
SPEAKER_00
And so if we re stuck in scarcity, and unfortunately a lot of people are stuck in scarcity.
1
SPEAKER_00
And if you re stuck in scarcity, then you may not be of service.
1
SPEAKER_00
You may not be a fee use.
1
SPEAKER_00
You may not, let s say you re building an app or building a business.
1
SPEAKER_00
You might not apply what I call the 10X value obsession.
1
SPEAKER_00
Give your customers 10 times the value they have any right to expect.
1
SPEAKER_00
So they beat a path to your door.
1
SPEAKER_00
If you look at most businesses, it s
1
SPEAKER_00
How can I deliver the least amount of value and receive the most amount of money?
1
SPEAKER_00
And that s not a recipe for a global base of fanatical followers.
1
SPEAKER_01
If someone feels like they are stuck in scarcity, and I like this idea, I want to be more generous, but I don t have much to give.
1
SPEAKER_01
I feel stuck.
1
SPEAKER_01
I m in debt.
1
SPEAKER_01
I m stressed.
1
SPEAKER_01
I m overwhelmed.
1
SPEAKER_01
I m burnt out.
1
SPEAKER_01
What would you say would be the first three things they could do to turn their scarce life into an abundant life?
1
SPEAKER_01
Wow.
1
SPEAKER_00
I would say MVP.
1
SPEAKER_00
So, you know, as an athlete, that means most valuable player.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s also an acronym for meditation, visualization, and prayer.
1
SPEAKER_00
And I do my best.
1
SPEAKER_00
I m certainly no guru, and I have a lot of work to do on myself, but I ve come a long way over these 25 years of deeply working on myself.
1
SPEAKER_00
And these days I spend from four o clock to 4.45 in MVP, meditation, visualization, and prayer.
1
SPEAKER_00
And it works.
1
SPEAKER_00
an insecurity you want to move through, a scarcity that s bothering you, you meditate on it, you visualize yourself being generous and brave and stronger and radiating goodness and strength in a world of emerging darkness, and then you pray.
1
SPEAKER_00
And I believe every prayer is heard.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s powerful.
1
SPEAKER_00
So that would be one tool.
1
SPEAKER_00
Another tool is remember that gift giving doesn t mean you have to do something material.
1
SPEAKER_00
I just learned this incredible Japanese philosophy called Intoku, which is secret gift giving.
1
SPEAKER_00
Secret gift giving.
1
SPEAKER_00
Secret gift giving.
1
SPEAKER_00
Without someone knowing you gave it.
1
SPEAKER_00
Well, Lewis, I think a gift given with the expectation of a reward isn t a gift, it s a trade.
1
SPEAKER_00
If I give you a gift and I go, hmm, I hope I get this from you, then it s not a gift.
1
SPEAKER_00
And at some level, you re going to sense it.
1
SPEAKER_00
So you asked for a tactic.
1
SPEAKER_00
The second tactic would be give secret gifts that nobody knows about.
1
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
1
SPEAKER_00
And it doesn t have to be anything material.
1
SPEAKER_00
It could be, I m staying in a hotel here, I m visiting you in Los Angeles.
1
SPEAKER_00
It could be simply understanding a room cleaner is going to come into the room after I leave to come on the School of Greatness.
1
SPEAKER_00
Let me make sure the room is clean.
1
SPEAKER_00
Let me make the bed.
1
SPEAKER_00
Let me put the towels in the bathtub.
1
SPEAKER_00
let me straighten up the room and leave a nice tip because someone s mother or father, son or daughter is going to be cleaning this room.
1
SPEAKER_00
That s a gift.
1
SPEAKER_00
I think that s a gift.
1
SPEAKER_00
So we can give gifts that way.
1
SPEAKER_00
In the book, I actually talk about
1
SPEAKER_00
It s full of philosophy and tactics, but I talk about the power of thank-you notes.
1
SPEAKER_00
That s not expensive, but writing a thank-you note to your mentor in this world of digital, writing a thank-you note to someone you meet on an airplane or in a train or in a… I mean, Lewis, writing… what I love to do when I m on the road, I ll love to write…
1
SPEAKER_00
a letter to mom and dad.
1
SPEAKER_00
My dad is going to be 87 in June.
1
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
1
SPEAKER_00
And just telling them, you know, what a force he s been in my life or writing a letter to my partner out or my kids, or of course, of course my mom.
1
SPEAKER_00
So I think there s lots of things we can do to be generous.
1
SPEAKER_00
And then it s a practice.
1
SPEAKER_00
The more you practice it, the more generous we automatically become.
1
SPEAKER_01
MVP, meditation, visualization, prayer, gift giving, and gift giving in secret, and thank you notes, physical thank you notes.
1
SPEAKER_01
I think those are three inspiring and practical things that people could start to do.
1
SPEAKER_01
And if you don t have an hour a day to do the MVP, you could do five minutes a day.
1
SPEAKER_01
You can give a gift once a day.
1
SPEAKER_01
You can write a thank you note once a week.
1
SPEAKER_01
It doesn t have to be all time consuming, but I really love this process of getting outside of self and thinking of others.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I think that s a great step to turning yourself into more selfish or scarce thinking into abundance and opportunities and synchronicities into your life.
1
SPEAKER_01
So I love this process.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I don t think a lot of people think about this enough.
1
SPEAKER_01
I don t think they re thinking about how can I be generous in gift giving?
1
SPEAKER_01
How can I be generous in my acknowledgement?
1
SPEAKER_01
You know, something I love to do on this show for 11 years is acknowledge the guest in front of me.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I started with acknowledgement with you.
1
SPEAKER_01
I believe we talked about the power of intention right before we got on.
1
SPEAKER_01
It s like setting an intention and acknowledging people.
1
SPEAKER_01
You mentioned people love to be seen.
1
SPEAKER_01
And if we can get out of self and think about others in some form or way, that unlocks a door to abundance.
1
SPEAKER_01
So I love this strategy and I love these steps.
1
SPEAKER_00
I would even say, Lewis, with our work, our work, a job is only a job if we see it as a job.
1
SPEAKER_00
And I think many people miss the opportunity for generosity as well as mastery.
1
SPEAKER_00
That s why it s the fourth form of wealth and the wealth money can t buy.
1
SPEAKER_00
Seeing your work as your craft, seeing your work as noble, you re a coder, you re a yoga teacher, you re an airline pilot, an astronaut, a teacher, a firefighter.
1
SPEAKER_00
And you say,
1
SPEAKER_00
I m on a mission, I want to be BIW, best in the world at what I do, and there s a chapter in the book called Make Your Project X. I think a lot of entrepreneurs, in my observation, I say this respectfully, but they suffer from chasing every shiny toy that shows up.
1
SPEAKER_00
I think one entrepreneur in particular, every time I meet him, he has a new business he s launching.
1
SPEAKER_00
Every time.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s the once in a lifetime opportunity that s consuming him and this is going to be his liquidity event.
1
SPEAKER_01
It s the newest and greatest technology.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s the newest.
1
SPEAKER_00
And what I m talking about with the Project X concept is in a world where we push out so much content,
1
SPEAKER_00
and we rush to constantly be pushing out many things at mediocrity, I would say, be one of those rare, rare souls who takes a year or three years.
1
SPEAKER_00
Or Lewis, I talk about it in the book, the Duomo in Milan, 600 years to finish it and master it.
1
SPEAKER_00
Are you willing, are we willing to spend 600 years
1
SPEAKER_00
hundred years on our Taj Mahal, our Eiffel Tower, our Moonlight Sonata, our Catcher in the Rye.
1
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
1
SPEAKER_00
And I think, you know, you got me on this topic of generosity.
1
SPEAKER_00
I just think it s so powerful.
2
SPEAKER_02
I spent a year of my life on this book.
2
SPEAKER_02
I can get into my writing process if you re interested, but I suffered, but it was a beautiful suffering, but I suffered through so many drafts, so many iterations, so many resistances, like this sentence can t be done.
2
SPEAKER_02
You can t do this, that.
2
SPEAKER_02
I think once we push our best out into the world through our Project X, I think it s an act of, may I say it, love.
2
SPEAKER_02
Wow.
2
SPEAKER_02
It s certainly an act of generosity.
2
SPEAKER_02
And I think this world needs more astonishment in it, more magic.
2
SPEAKER_00
You mention in the book this concept of becoming a ghost or ghosting, like you just said there.
2
SPEAKER_00
where it s like spending a year or two years not being everywhere all at once, not putting out something every day, but actually deepening in your craft.
2
SPEAKER_00
In a world, especially with social media, where people feel like they need to be relevant constantly, they need to put out something every single day to draw in attention, how can someone have the confidence to become a ghost for six months or a year or two years to work on one project and not be anywhere else
2
SPEAKER_00
and know that it s going to succeed?
2
SPEAKER_00
What if they come back a year or two later and the world has changed, people don t remember who they are, they don t have an audience anymore, how do they deal with that insecurity, fear, or doubt?
2
SPEAKER_00
Okay, that is, I love the question.
2
SPEAKER_02
I would say a few things.
2
SPEAKER_00
If they don t have 25 million copies sold in the books already, if they re new, they re starting out, how can they navigate that?
2
SPEAKER_02
Okay, there s a few things.
2
SPEAKER_02
I would say,
2
SPEAKER_02
You can be in the world or you can do your finest work, you can t do both.
2
SPEAKER_02
Can you say it again?
2
SPEAKER_02
You can be in the world or you can do your finest work, you can t do both.
2
SPEAKER_02
Wow.
2
SPEAKER_02
Okay, so what does that mean specifically?
2
SPEAKER_02
Well, I would also say it means genius adores isolation.
2
SPEAKER_02
You want to get into flow state and do beautiful work.
2
SPEAKER_02
See, I would just rather be a minimalist versus a maximalist.
2
SPEAKER_02
J.D.
2
SPEAKER_02
Sollinger is one of my heroes.
2
SPEAKER_02
He just published one book.
2
SPEAKER_02
Happened to be Catcher in the Rye.
2
SPEAKER_02
Vincent van Gogh.
2
SPEAKER_02
He only sold two paintings, but he s Vincent van Gogh.
2
SPEAKER_02
I would say it s absolutely essential to leave the world regularly.
2
SPEAKER_02
to do your best work, to get into flow state, to create your mastery, to get this little, you know, a little seaside cottage.
2
SPEAKER_02
I mean, Ian Fleming of James Bond had Goldeneye.
2
SPEAKER_02
There s a chapter in the book called Find Your Personal Goldeneye.
2
SPEAKER_02
I would say to everyone, invest in a cottage, even if it s a hotel room or a motel room in your city or stacks in a library, but go ghost there.
2
SPEAKER_02
You don t have to go ghost for a year.
2
SPEAKER_02
I think it s a cool idea.
2
SPEAKER_02
Go to Tokyo, go to Columbia, go to Mexico City, go to Stockholm, go to South Africa for a year and create your masterwork and be free from social media and meditate, pray, visualize, read the classics, work on your masterwork, chat with the locals, find yourself.
2
SPEAKER_02
and then come back born anew.
2
SPEAKER_02
I think that s a powerful idea.
2
SPEAKER_02
And then how do you handle it?
2
SPEAKER_02
Well, you can build a team to run your social media, of course.
2
SPEAKER_02
You can check in once a week and go ghost six days a week, of course.
2
SPEAKER_02
Or you can go all in and be a gangster, let s call it a ghost gangster, and just go, I m gonna get lost for a year, I m gonna get away from the noise so I can hear the signal, and I m gonna create something so beautiful, so masterful, so disruptive.
2
SPEAKER_02
So special because I m not distracted, I m just writing or doing the screenplay or building the business.
2
SPEAKER_02
That when you come back and release it, I mean, people sniff quality a mile away and they re aching for magic.
2
SPEAKER_02
And so let s say a book, you just get away from the world and then you come back with this masterpiece.
2
SPEAKER_00
People are going to find it.
2
SPEAKER_00
I love this concept of becoming a ghost for a period of time.
2
SPEAKER_00
I had a Christian pastor on named Michael Todd that has a couple of New York Times bestselling books and a big congregation, a big social media following, all these things.
2
SPEAKER_00
And he said before he became a pastor early on, he had a mentor that was a wiser pastor than him.
2
SPEAKER_00
That was kind of teaching him how to come up and lead a congregation and be a good husband and a father and all these different things.
2
SPEAKER_00
And he said, every year, take a month off.
2
SPEAKER_00
Take a month off where you re not in the church, you re not working on a book, you re not creating something.
2
SPEAKER_00
You re going to be pouring your soul into service every week.
2
SPEAKER_00
Take a month to recover, rejuvenate, relax, reflect.
2
SPEAKER_00
And he had a book a couple of years ago that was a, I think it was a number one New York time bestseller or top on the New York time bestseller list for like six weeks in a row.
2
SPEAKER_00
And his, he plans his month every year in advance, right?
2
SPEAKER_00
So he has, he knows it s going to be July or whatever it is.
2
SPEAKER_00
And this was the six-week mark.
2
SPEAKER_00
Every week it was on the list.
2
SPEAKER_00
He was out promoting, he was marketing.
2
SPEAKER_00
And every week it hit the list and then his time to stop promoting was up because his month of ghosting was coming up that next week.
2
SPEAKER_00
And when he came on he said, you know, the week I stopped promoting was the week it came off the New York Times bestseller list.
2
SPEAKER_00
And I said, you know, couldn t you just push it a little farther?
2
SPEAKER_00
Like that ghosting month, couldn t you just extend it and just keep going and bride the momentum?
2
SPEAKER_00
And he goes, I could.
2
SPEAKER_00
But then that could lead to burnout also.
2
SPEAKER_00
I scheduled this in specifically because I know greater things are to come on the other side.
2
SPEAKER_00
And I m okay if it s not on the list that week or that month. 
2
SPEAKER_00
And he said, the reason this book was such a big success was because I got the idea from two years ago of that month off.
2
SPEAKER_00
That s when this idea came.
2
SPEAKER_00
And so he s like, I am sacred with this time.
2
SPEAKER_00
Even if amazing things are happening, I say no during that time.
2
SPEAKER_00
And I think that takes a lot of strength or power to say no in your season of ghosting when you re recovering, reflecting, working on your masterpiece, or just allowing ideas, the signal, as you mentioned, to come to you.
2
SPEAKER_00
So I just thought that s interesting, and I like that you have this in the book.
2
SPEAKER_00
How can someone approach becoming a ghost when they have a lot going on or they re maybe living in scarcity or they re, you know, month to month right now and they re not, they don t have the resources to extend for a year in another country?
2
SPEAKER_00
How can they start to think of a ghosting season of their life?
2
SPEAKER_02
Well, first of all, I think that s the key.
2
SPEAKER_02
It s seeing work and life in a series of seasons, almost like an athlete.
2
SPEAKER_02
You re on season and you have your off season.
2
SPEAKER_02
But I think that s the power of the eight forms of wealth model that the book is based around.
2
SPEAKER_02
We were talking about work and master work, but that s only one of the eight forms of wealth.
2
SPEAKER_02
The third form of wealth is family.
2
SPEAKER_02
That s why I don t subscribe to the hustle and grind culture.
2
SPEAKER_02
I talk about it in the book.
2
SPEAKER_02
I was asked to mentor a multi-billionaire.
2
SPEAKER_02
My team and I thought about it for a few weeks, decided I was gonna do it, show up at his house, never seen anything like it.
2
SPEAKER_02
Walked by his art collection, walked by his indoor car collection, walked by his library.
2
SPEAKER_02
Eventually went to this, down these stairs, into this subterranean passageway.
2
SPEAKER_02
I could smell cigar smoke from a mile away.
2
SPEAKER_02
I walk in and there he is, the icon.
2
SPEAKER_02
So we talk for a few hours, he tells me, he shares his story and how he built the businesses.
2
SPEAKER_01
The empire.
2
SPEAKER_02
The empire, he s the emperor, emperore.
2
SPEAKER_01
And he goes, yeah.
2
SPEAKER_01
And I said, tell me about your family, who you share it with.
2
SPEAKER_02
Long silence.
2
SPEAKER_02
And he said, no, I m all alone.
2
SPEAKER_02
So I share that because the third form of wealth is family.
2
SPEAKER_02
If you have a rich family life, we ve talked about relationships in our past conversations.
2
SPEAKER_02
You know, if you have a rich partnership with your life partner,
2
SPEAKER_02
That s wealth money, can t buy it.
2
SPEAKER_02
If you have a rich relationship with, in my case, also my children, then Colby and Bianca, and my parents.
2
SPEAKER_02
I saw them in Toronto the other night.
2
SPEAKER_02
Like I said, dad s gonna be 87 in June.
3
SPEAKER_00
Mom is still a Titan.
3
SPEAKER_00
There s a chapter in the book, that time my mother took on a motorcycle gang.
3
SPEAKER_00
And having good friends who you enjoy being with, I mean, that is a form of wealth money can t buy.
3
SPEAKER_00
So yes, put out masterwork and yes, do great work, but also remember the other forms of wealth because
3
SPEAKER_00
What s the point of having a lot of money and ending up there alone?
3
SPEAKER_00
I quote Bob Marley, and he said, possessions is rich.
3
SPEAKER_00
I don t have that kind of rich.
3
SPEAKER_00
My rich is life.
3
SPEAKER_01
Family, I think, is a thing that a lot of people miss out on.
3
SPEAKER_01
I think a lot of people are preaching about family first, but where they put their time and attention is not their first priority of family, it seems like, certain people.
3
SPEAKER_01
I know you mentioned in the book about
3
SPEAKER_01
choosing your partner wisely.
3
SPEAKER_01
And I think you even have the 10,000 meal rule.
3
SPEAKER_01
Can you explain what the 10,000 meal rule is when picking a intimate partner for life?
3
SPEAKER_00
So I was reading the Financial Times, and I read about, they do this feature every week, and it s called Lunch with So-and-so.
3
SPEAKER_00
And they interviewed Ayesha Vardag, or Vardag, I believe.
3
SPEAKER_00
And she s one of the UK s top divorce lawyers.
3
SPEAKER_00
She works with the footballers.
3
SPEAKER_00
She works with the movie stars.
3
SPEAKER_00
She works with the moguls.
3
SPEAKER_00
Musicians.
3
SPEAKER_00
Musicians, exactly.
3
SPEAKER_00
And so she s seen a lot of bad situations and breakups.
3
SPEAKER_00
So she was asked, how would you explain or what would you say makes a great relationship?
3
SPEAKER_00
Her first answer was separate bedrooms.
3
SPEAKER_00
And her second answer was, 10,000 dinners.
3
SPEAKER_00
And she was asked, well, what do you mean by 10,000 dinners?
3
SPEAKER_00
And she said, well, looks will fade, lust might diminish.
3
SPEAKER_00
but if you can see yourself having 10,000 dinners with this person, hold them tight because great love is hard to find.
3
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I just think, I just think, I mean, I know you have someone super special and I m so happy for you.
3
SPEAKER_00
Thank you.
3
SPEAKER_00
And you sure do deserve it.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I ve watched your podcast,
3
SPEAKER_00
fly over these years and your books and the influence you have and couldn t happen to a better person.
3
SPEAKER_00
Thank you.
3
SPEAKER_00
Couldn t happen to a better person.
3
SPEAKER_00
Thank you.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I m blessed to have an amazing life partner.
3
SPEAKER_00
And, um,
3
SPEAKER_00
I really do believe that it s easy as a content creator or movement maker or entrepreneur to get so stuck in the hustle of grind.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I m not saying ambition s not important.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s a fuel.
3
SPEAKER_00
We all want to win.
3
SPEAKER_00
We all want to do beautiful things.
3
SPEAKER_00
I think it s actually spiritual to materialize your talents and hot pursuit of serving as many people as possible.
3
SPEAKER_00
That s amazing.
3
SPEAKER_00
Having said that, when our family life is stable,
3
SPEAKER_00
When our home life is peaceful, when we have someone to share our wins with, and maybe our losses, we re so much better at work.
3
SPEAKER_00
So that family foundation, that third form of wealth is incredibly, incredibly important.
3
SPEAKER_00
And as I get older, I m starting to put a few years behind me now, but I just, you know, I am, Elle has a grandmother, we call her Nona, and she ll be 90, she ll be 96 this month.
3
SPEAKER_00
And when she was 90, we had a big party for her.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I said, Nona, you know, what s most important?
3
SPEAKER_00
Tell me.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I think if you can sit on an airplane next to an elder or on a train or have conversations with elders, that s the people you want to be talking with a lot of the time.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I said, what s most important?
3
SPEAKER_00
And she said, family.
3
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
3
SPEAKER_00
So these other forms of wealth, family, wellness, growth, we don t think about it.
3
SPEAKER_00
Wow, I m growing, I m learning, I m reading, I m listening to podcasts, I m doing sweat lodges, I m doing Reiki, I m doing journaling, I m growing every day, increment by increment.
3
SPEAKER_00
We often don t see that as a rich person, but that is what real riches, I believe, look like.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s beautiful.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s beautiful.
3
SPEAKER_01
You know, these habits are things that we can all start to implement to feel wealthier in our life.
3
SPEAKER_01
But I feel like people get trapped on, you know, one of the habits, which is the financial aspect.
3
SPEAKER_01
Why do you think people get trapped on that aspect alone and think, well, I got to get this figured out first and then I can start to have the family and then I can start to get in shape and then I can grow and work on my craft and travel and have these adventures.
3
SPEAKER_01
Once I get safe and secure financially, then the rest, then I can start doing some of those things.
3
SPEAKER_01
What do you think is the biggest trap of material success first?
3
SPEAKER_00
Well, I think the reason we do it is we ve been hypnotized by society from a very young age.
3
SPEAKER_00
There s an acronym in my methodology called P.E.N.U.M., P.E.N.U.M., and it stands for the five forces that program us into the way we see the world.
3
SPEAKER_00
P.E.N.U.M., P, parents.
3
SPEAKER_00
When we re little kids, we have social cues.
3
SPEAKER_00
And a lot of us have parents who say, you re successful.
3
SPEAKER_00
Oh, look at that person.
3
SPEAKER_00
They re successful because, Louis, they have a new car.
3
SPEAKER_00
Oh, they re successful.
3
SPEAKER_00
Look at the golf membership.
3
SPEAKER_00
Oh, that person right there, it just made a lot of money.
3
SPEAKER_00
Wow, they re successful.
3
SPEAKER_00
So as little kids, we look to our early caregivers to give us social cues on the way the world works.
3
SPEAKER_00
That installs a series of beliefs and programs that we run through the rest of our lives unless we reprogram.
3
SPEAKER_00
Parents, E, our environment.
3
SPEAKER_00
We live in an environment where who gets celebrated?
3
SPEAKER_00
It s the billionaire with the jet, not the gardener or the teacher that elevates 20 lives.
3
SPEAKER_00
You don t often see on the cover of magazine
3
SPEAKER_00
We re going to put him or her on a pedestal because this is a teacher that works like Picasso painted.
3
SPEAKER_00
N, N is nation.
3
SPEAKER_00
So our nation has a collective program.
3
SPEAKER_00
There are some nations where they say, here s the trophy of material things, that influences us.
3
SPEAKER_00
A, our associations.
3
SPEAKER_00
We become our social circle.
3
SPEAKER_00
And a lot of us have social circles where people say, look, I just got the car.
3
SPEAKER_00
I just got the yacht.
3
SPEAKER_00
I just sold my company.
3
SPEAKER_00
I just got past 1 million followers on social media.
3
SPEAKER_00
And then media.
3
SPEAKER_00
all the messaging from the influencers we follow and the ads that are sent to us.
3
SPEAKER_00
Again, what does a lot of it show?
3
SPEAKER_00
It shows cash out, get the sailboat, get the big house, fly in the jet, get nice things, and then you are rich.
3
SPEAKER_00
You know, I think the richest person I ve ever met, or one of them, was my ski instructor.
3
SPEAKER_00
And Lewis, he said, I m not rich, but I have a rich life.
3
SPEAKER_00
And he had a family who adored him.
3
SPEAKER_00
He d ski in the mountains.
3
SPEAKER_00
He loved his craft.
3
SPEAKER_00
So we get programmed and then we follow what the crowd does.
3
SPEAKER_00
And often we re so busy being busy, we don t know why we re busy and we re spending the finest years of our life climbing mountains only to realize they might be the wrong ones.
3
SPEAKER_00
And so I want to be clear, the fifth form of wealth is money.
3
SPEAKER_00
There s 25 chapters on what I ve learned mentoring the billionaires on how they do it.
3
SPEAKER_00
I m not going to sit here and say money is not a form of wealth.
3
SPEAKER_00
But there are seven other ones that I think are essential to focus on if we really want our richest life.
3
SPEAKER_00
And as you said, authentic wealth.
3
SPEAKER_01
You talk about in the book, again, we re talking about the wealth money can t buy, the eight hidden habits to live your richest life.
3
SPEAKER_01
You talk about the habit stack of super wealthy people.
3
SPEAKER_01
Can you walk us through this habit stack that wealthy people have?
3
SPEAKER_00
First thing I would say is you ve got to believe in your vision when no one believes in your vision until the world believes in your vision.
3
SPEAKER_00
So the first part of the habit stack of the super wealthy people I ve worked with is they are careless of the opinions of others.
3
SPEAKER_00
Careless of the opinions of others.
3
SPEAKER_00
Careless of the opinions of others.
3
SPEAKER_00
Most of them couldn t care less what we think about their habits, their beliefs, the way they live.
3
SPEAKER_00
They re pirates.
3
SPEAKER_00
They re pirates.
3
SPEAKER_00
They re gangsters.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I think most of us, we re so polite, we re so plugged in to the majority consciousness, if someone says, that s a silly idea for your help, or you want to find that person to spend your life with, or you want to go live in Tokyo and go ghost for a year, are you crazy?
4
SPEAKER_01
We say we want to leave our jobs and launch a new venture.
4
SPEAKER_01
First time our parents or our best friends or significant other or stranger in the street says, well, that s not possible.
4
SPEAKER_01
We believe them.
4
SPEAKER_01
George Bernard Shaw said it beautifully.
4
SPEAKER_01
He said, the reasonable man, and obviously woman, but his words were, the reasonable man adapts himself to the world.
4
SPEAKER_01
The unreasonable one persists in adapting the world to himself.
4
SPEAKER_01
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
4
SPEAKER_01
Interesting.
4
SPEAKER_01
So we must not listen to the trolls.
4
SPEAKER_01
We must not feed the trolls and the billionaires, the financial tycoons, they have a vision.
4
SPEAKER_01
They understand the nature of a disruptive vision is it terrifies the status quo.
4
SPEAKER_01
The status quo doesn t celebrate disruptors.
4
SPEAKER_01
It throws rocks at them.
4
SPEAKER_01
So our job is to take the stones the critics throw at us and build them into monuments that inspire the world.
4
SPEAKER_01
Second thing is these people are incredibly disciplined.
4
SPEAKER_01
We know from science discipline is like a muscle.
4
SPEAKER_01
So do difficult things, take the cold baths, join the 5am club.
4
SPEAKER_01
The project that most frightens you is the one you need to do.
4
SPEAKER_01
The conversation you re most resisting is the one you need to be having.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I would actually go out on a limb for you and say, hard is easy and easy is hard.
4
SPEAKER_01
So I think
4
SPEAKER_01
You want to build a financial fortune.
4
SPEAKER_01
It comes from the consistent doing of difficult things, but it gives you an easier life.
4
SPEAKER_01
Yes.
4
SPEAKER_01
And you try to do easy things and hang out with the easy crowd and easy habits and easy books and easy conversations and easy work projects.
4
SPEAKER_01
You have a hard life.
4
SPEAKER_01
So the second thing is they are strong willpower.
4
SPEAKER_01
Thirdly, and you ve heard this a million times, but I think of the Japanese proverb, get knocked down seven times, get up eight.
4
SPEAKER_01
They just, they, they just like that boxer who just gets down and you just go stay down.
4
SPEAKER_01
Please stay, don t, don t, just please, please.
4
SPEAKER_01
And they re just like, they, and they just get back up and they just get back up.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I m reading Nobu s memoir right now.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I mean, I don t know if you know his story, but he, he was a Japanese apprentice, sushi chef comes from very humble beginnings, went to Argentina.
4
SPEAKER_01
His restaurant ultimately failed, went back to Japan, went to Alaska for another opportunity.
4
SPEAKER_01
His restaurant burned down.
4
SPEAKER_01
This is Nobu.
4
SPEAKER_01
Thought about killing himself.
4
SPEAKER_01
I guess the Japanese honor and... Yeah, the shame.
4
SPEAKER_01
The shame, right?
4
SPEAKER_01
The shame.
4
SPEAKER_01
People saying he s failing.
4
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
4
SPEAKER_01
So I thought about that.
4
SPEAKER_01
His wife pulled him out of it.
4
SPEAKER_01
Started kind of a hole in the wall in not far from where we are.
4
SPEAKER_01
I believe in West Hollywood or Beverly Hills.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I believe it s called Matsu... You probably know.
4
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yeah.
4
SPEAKER_00
Well, there s Nobu here.
4
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yeah.
4
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, so we started that one and one day it started to get some traction and one day Robert De Niro was brought in by a producer and Robert De Niro fell in love with the food and said, you know, come to New York, let s start a restaurant.
4
SPEAKER_01
No boot went.
4
SPEAKER_01
but who wasn t ready.
4
SPEAKER_01
So Robert De Niro kept on coming back for four years, different meals, every time he was in LA, loving the food, and eventually he called Nobu and he said, come on.
4
SPEAKER_01
Nobu said, you know, it s time.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I realized Robert De Niro was waiting four years for me to say yes.
4
SPEAKER_01
But my point is, absolutely relentless, 40 years in the game, and now he s Nobu.
4
SPEAKER_01
So that would be the third thing.
4
SPEAKER_01
I could go on about the habit stack of the billionaires, but those would be three things that immediately come to mind.
4
SPEAKER_00
You talk about wealthy words that we can use and I think this is really interesting because a lot of my audience is into
4
SPEAKER_00
how to use language, words, thoughts, and emotions to manifest, to attract, to draw in, to create opportunities and synchronicities, to enroll people in their vision and their dreams.
4
SPEAKER_00
So I m curious, what are the wealth words that we can apply that will create more magic in our life?
4
SPEAKER_01
Well, I m trying to find, here we go.
4
SPEAKER_01
Words are incredibly powerful, and I think we live in a culture that dismisses the value of words.
4
SPEAKER_01
We say, oh man, your shirt is sick, man.
4
SPEAKER_00
That s probably me most of my childhood.
4
SPEAKER_01
How often do we actually say, oh yeah, he crushed that workout.
4
SPEAKER_01
She was amazing in the presentation.
4
SPEAKER_01
Whoa, that book is great.
4
SPEAKER_01
Crate it s crazy.
4
SPEAKER_01
No, it s not crazy.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s not crazy.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s hard work.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s mastery Often we say to someone hey Lewis you got luck.
4
SPEAKER_01
You re very lucky You re not lucky I ve seen you working with focus dedication for years and
4
SPEAKER_01
So we re very loose.
4
SPEAKER_01
We say sick.
4
SPEAKER_01
Oh, I hate this.
4
SPEAKER_01
Oh, a lot of people say that s impossible.
4
SPEAKER_01
There s actually some cultures I traveled to and they go, yes, I d like to do this, but it s impossible.
4
SPEAKER_01
Everything s impossible.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s unreasonable.
4
SPEAKER_01
Words are powerful.
4
SPEAKER_01
Words are programs.
4
SPEAKER_01
We talked about programming.
4
SPEAKER_01
One of the antidotes to limitation, scarcity, fear,
4
SPEAKER_01
selfishness, insecurity, is you start to reprogram by using wealth words.
4
SPEAKER_01
So the chapter has some of the words I ve written down to start adding to your vocabulary.
4
SPEAKER_01
What page is this?
4
SPEAKER_01
This is 228.
4
SPEAKER_01
So it s sensational, excellence, grateful, heroic, grow, generous, willpower, love, genius, beautiful, consistency, powerful, brave.
4
SPEAKER_01
we can either engage in victim speak or leader talk.
4
SPEAKER_01
And you can tell a victim a mile away.
4
SPEAKER_01
You can tell them a mile away.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I m not judging, I m just reporting.
4
SPEAKER_01
But they re, yeah, you know, I d like to find love, but there s not a lot of good people out there.
4
SPEAKER_01
I d like to launch a business because I don t really like my work, but, you know, the economy is bad, inflation is high, and there s lots of competition.
4
SPEAKER_01
Even when they talk to people, I mean, there are people who, when you leave them, I d love to know your thoughts, but you leave them, you just feel that.
4
SPEAKER_01
Uh-huh.
4
SPEAKER_01
I would trust that.
4
SPEAKER_01
And then there s people who are very conscious about their words, and they use words that uplift people.
4
SPEAKER_01
They use words that encourage people.
4
SPEAKER_01
If you look at the greatest of the great, the Nelson Mandela s, the Mother Teresa s, the Martin Luther King Jr.
4
SPEAKER_01
 s, these people freed countries and launched movements through their words.
4
SPEAKER_01
Through their words.
4
SPEAKER_00
Words have a powerful impact either in a scarcity way or an abundance way, it sounds like.
4
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I agree.
4
SPEAKER_01
And I think it s communication is, to state the obvious, communication is so powerful.
4
SPEAKER_01
You can transform someone in a conversation through communication, through writing, through storytelling.
4
SPEAKER_01
I think it s so powerful too.
4
SPEAKER_01
Words are powerful.
4
SPEAKER_01
So that chapter is in the fifth form of wealth, which is money.
4
SPEAKER_01
And once we start deploying words, the wealth words in our writing, in our speaking, in our pitches,
4
SPEAKER_01
in our conversations, then we start to redefine our self-identity.
4
SPEAKER_01
And our income and impact always reflects our self-identity.
4
SPEAKER_01
I better say that again because I think it s really important.
4
SPEAKER_01
Our income and impact always reflects our self-identity.
4
SPEAKER_01
And what makes up our self-identity?
4
SPEAKER_01
Well, PENM, the five forces of PENM, our parental programming, our environment or ecosystem,
4
SPEAKER_01
The nation we live in, our associations, that s why the sixth form of wealth is community, our association.
5
SPEAKER_00
You re with drama mamas, crisis papas, energy vampires, dream stealers.
5
SPEAKER_00
You re not going to be a possibilitarian.
5
SPEAKER_00
You want to be with people whose lives you want to be living.
5
SPEAKER_00
You want to be a masterful whatever athlete, be around the best athletes.
5
SPEAKER_00
Like your social circle is so powerful, and if you re the smartest person, fastest person in your neighborhood, move to a new neighborhood.
5
SPEAKER_00
So what makes up our self-identity, the five forces of Penham that I mentioned, what makes up our self-identity are the books we read.
5
SPEAKER_00
What makes up our self-identity is the behaviors.
5
SPEAKER_00
If we do difficult things, if we,
5
SPEAKER_00
are someone who moves towards the things that frighten us.
5
SPEAKER_00
If we look for every opportunity to be helpful in a service and make the world a brighter place, if we are authentic and live our values, all those kinds of things shape our self-identity and allow us to rewire ourselves if we re not the people we want to be.
5
SPEAKER_01
I m just thinking about someone who might be watching or listening saying,
5
SPEAKER_01
What is Robin talking about words, wealth words?
5
SPEAKER_01
It seems like, come on, it s about actions.
5
SPEAKER_01
It s about taking action.
5
SPEAKER_01
That s how you get wealthy.
5
SPEAKER_01
Just saying words is not going to make me wealthy or have a better life.
5
SPEAKER_01
But I m hearing you say that words help build your identity and it s either victim speak or leadership talk.
5
SPEAKER_01
and our income and our impact is made of our self-identity that you mentioned.
5
SPEAKER_01
And the words we use, it sounds like impact our self-identity as well.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I would say, so the first thing I want to say is I m not saying that execution is not essential.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m offering a tool to build us into our strongest selves.
5
SPEAKER_00
I ll be the first to say that ideation without execution is a hallucination.
5
SPEAKER_00
I ll be the first to say that a vision without implementation is
5
SPEAKER_00
Fool s gold.
5
SPEAKER_00
You know, there s a lot in the book about working hard.
5
SPEAKER_00
I think, I believe that rest is not a luxury.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s a necessity.
5
SPEAKER_00
I ve talked a lot about recovery in my work.
5
SPEAKER_00
The twin cycles of elite performance.
5
SPEAKER_00
I talked about it in the 5 a.m.
5
SPEAKER_00
club.
5
SPEAKER_00
Sleep is a secret weapon.
5
SPEAKER_00
No question.
5
SPEAKER_00
Having said that, I think almost hard work has a bad reputation these days.
5
SPEAKER_00
And I don t know of any Titan in business or athletics or life who doesn t put in the time.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, you can t get mastery without hard work.
5
SPEAKER_00
You cannot get mastery without hard work.
5
SPEAKER_00
And if I may, I want to just, I know you met Kobe in one of my favorite Kobe stories.
5
SPEAKER_00
He said, on the point about hard work, because we see him in action, or we saw him in action, and we saw, wow, what a master.
5
SPEAKER_00
And that s the seduction.
5
SPEAKER_00
We see them at the height of their glory, and we think they were born like that.
5
SPEAKER_00
And we don t see the back story.
5
SPEAKER_00
And he said, you know, when I got into the NBA, I realized a lot of people got in the NBA
5
SPEAKER_00
And they didn t want to be best in the world.
5
SPEAKER_00
They just got him the NBA, and they go, I m here.
5
SPEAKER_00
And they started to party and have fun.
5
SPEAKER_00
And he said, I realized that if I got up at 4 AM, did a workout from 5 o clock, went home, had some breakfast, hung out with the family, went back, did another workout later in the morning, one more in the afternoon, went home, had dinner, one more in the evening,
5
SPEAKER_00
As compared to the people who did one workout or two, he said, after four to five years, to use his words, after four to five years, I would have an advantage so great that no one would ever be able to catch up with me.
5
SPEAKER_00
So hard work s important, but on the wealth words point, I m, it s just a tool to be careful about your words because words are very powerful and they plant seeds in the subconscious, which determine our behaviors.
5
SPEAKER_01
And I think words have a vibration also, an energetic vibration.
5
SPEAKER_01
And like you said before, you can feel what it s like being around someone who uses words that make them sound like a victim.
5
SPEAKER_01
It kind of lowers the energy, lowers the vibration.
5
SPEAKER_01
It doesn t make you uplifted versus someone who has
5
SPEAKER_01
more empowering words, leadership words that you talk about, that empower the moment, that take responsibility for the moment or their lives, and find solutions as opposed to find the reason why someone to blame for their challenges, their problems, and takes responsibility.
5
SPEAKER_01
You feel empowered, inspired, uplifted.
5
SPEAKER_01
You feel like, oh, let s take this on.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, let s go after this.
5
SPEAKER_01
So I think words do matter in a big way.
5
SPEAKER_01
And we should definitely be intentional about the words we use.
5
SPEAKER_01
Speaking of words and communication, you know, you mentioned how a lot of the great leaders and the ones that we think about or talk about who have long passed, they led with their communication style in an empowering way.
5
SPEAKER_01
You know, when I think about that, I think about this idea of enrollment, the ability to enroll people in a vision bigger than yourself.
5
SPEAKER_01
What s your thoughts on enrollment or the secret to enrolling one person or millions of people in a cause, a mission, a vision bigger than you that sounds crazy or out of the norm?
5
SPEAKER_01
How do we enroll people in our dream?
5
SPEAKER_00
Love it.
5
SPEAKER_00
First of all, I would say dream big, start small, begin now.
5
SPEAKER_00
Secondly, I would say, how do you build a global movement?
5
SPEAKER_00
One conversation at a time.
5
SPEAKER_00
So one handshake at a time, one conversation at a time.
5
SPEAKER_00
If you re trying to build a movement online, every DM matters.
5
SPEAKER_00
Leave the voice note if you can.
5
SPEAKER_00
Never forget who puts food on the family table.
5
SPEAKER_00
So one relationship at a time, one thank you at a time is how, I believe, how you build a global movement.
5
SPEAKER_00
And I actually believe that as your movement grows, look at your movement.
5
SPEAKER_00
Many people who follow you and trust you and respect you have their movements, whether it s a massive movement or a micro movement.
5
SPEAKER_00
And I would simply say that when you re most successful, you re most vulnerable.
5
SPEAKER_00
I think this is one of the greatest traps.
5
SPEAKER_00
Say it again.
5
SPEAKER_00
When you re most successful, you re most vulnerable.
5
SPEAKER_00
Why?
5
SPEAKER_00
Nothing fails like success.
5
SPEAKER_00
When you are winning, you are closest to losing.
5
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
5
SPEAKER_00
And what I mean by that is there s a human seduction when we start to be successful to believe our own promotional material.
5
SPEAKER_00
And that s why
5
SPEAKER_00
Anyone who s making traction around their ambitions is in a very dangerous position.
5
SPEAKER_00
And there s a methodology I teach called cheerful paranoia.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay, what is this?
5
SPEAKER_00
So Andy Grove is the co-founder of Intel, and he said only the paranoid survive.
5
SPEAKER_00
Now, no one s suggesting we should be paranoid.
5
SPEAKER_00
That s unhealthy, of course.
5
SPEAKER_00
But it s, cheerful paranoia is just, it s a metaphor to remind us, be happy, be healthy, be cheerful, be decent, have a good character, be loving, be excellent, but be paranoid that you could so easily be knocked off your perch by someone in their underwear, coding in their basement, who comes up with a new tech business, for example, that knocks you out of the game.
5
SPEAKER_00
So I actually have a model called the mastery humility proportionality.
5
SPEAKER_00
And I don t know if this is going to make sense, but if you could imagine, I wish I could draw it for you, but imagine this is the axis.
5
SPEAKER_00
And imagine this is the mastery axis right here, Lewis.
5
SPEAKER_00
And this is the humility axis.
5
SPEAKER_00
And so as your mastery grows,
5
SPEAKER_00
And that s influence of your movement, quality of your craft, success in the world, income, impact, all those currencies.
5
SPEAKER_00
So as your mastery grows, be one of those rare air people.
5
SPEAKER_00
Your humility grows.
5
SPEAKER_00
Become more humble.
5
SPEAKER_00
Become, strange, right?
5
SPEAKER_00
So that s why it s the mastery.
5
SPEAKER_00
Humility, proportionality.
5
SPEAKER_00
As the mastery grows, increase your humility.
5
SPEAKER_00
Now, if you do that, then you re gonna be, because I think the key to legendary is longevity.
5
SPEAKER_00
So anyone can be a champion, or it s hard, but you get to a champion, but the real legends want the dynasty.
5
SPEAKER_00
And you only get a dynasty if you think about longevity.
6
SPEAKER_01
And what I believe in, there s a chapter in the book on this that explains all of this, but I would say it s the humblest wins.
6
SPEAKER_01
The humblest wins.
6
SPEAKER_01
Yes.
6
SPEAKER_01
And I don t just mean good manners.
6
SPEAKER_01
Humility means you don t lose your white belt mentality as you rise.
6
SPEAKER_01
Humility means you don t forget to have a humble and grateful heart for the people who keep you in business.
6
SPEAKER_01
Humility means you never lose your white belt mentality.
6
SPEAKER_01
Humility means you go to a conference and you ve been in the game 25 years and you sit in the first row and you take more notes than anyone in the room.
6
SPEAKER_01
Wow, that s big.
6
SPEAKER_01
And then I think of the titans of humanity.
6
SPEAKER_01
The real servant leaders, they were globally revered, and they had humble hearts.
6
SPEAKER_01
I stood in Nelson Mandela s prison cell.
6
SPEAKER_00
How was that?
6
SPEAKER_01
Changed, changed my life.
6
SPEAKER_01
I don t know if you d be interested in doing it maybe with your- I would love to.
6
SPEAKER_00
What was that like stepping into the-
6
SPEAKER_00
that physical space.
6
SPEAKER_01
In my life, people say, oh, I had a life-changing moment.
6
SPEAKER_01
I mostly in my life go, I ve never had a life-changing moment.
6
SPEAKER_01
People go, I read that book, my life changed, or I went to that event in my life.
6
SPEAKER_01
It never really happened to me.
6
SPEAKER_01
Mostly it s been incremental growth.
6
SPEAKER_01
But one day I got on the ferry from Cape Town.
6
SPEAKER_01
It was July, cold winter s day under the equator.
6
SPEAKER_01
I saw the limestone quarry where Nelson Mandela
6
SPEAKER_01
Cut stone for seven years, damaged his eyes because of the glare on his eyes.
6
SPEAKER_01
The limestone dust damaged his lungs.
6
SPEAKER_01
I went to the propaganda office where they would redact letters from Winnie.
6
SPEAKER_01
and they wouldn t let him leave the prison to attend the funeral and the death of his son.
6
SPEAKER_01
He said that was his greatest regret.
6
SPEAKER_01
My son died in a car accident and they wouldn t let me out to attend his funeral.
6
SPEAKER_01
That s sad.
6
SPEAKER_01
I saw the showers where he, as an elderly man, would shower and the guards would laugh at him.
6
SPEAKER_01
All forms of torture.
6
SPEAKER_01
I saw the courtyard where he would tend to his tomato plant.
6
SPEAKER_01
but secretly hide his autobiography, Long Walk to Freedom.
6
SPEAKER_01
And then I was led up three steps to, I believe, the second room, and I saw his room, and Lewis, it was
6
SPEAKER_01
I would say from here to where you are to right there.
6
SPEAKER_00
Tiny.
6
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, tiny.
6
SPEAKER_01
For the first few years, because of the color of his skin, they wouldn t let him wear trousers in the cold of the winter.
6
SPEAKER_01
Sick all the time.
6
SPEAKER_01
And no bed.
6
SPEAKER_01
And yet, when he was released from prison, 27 years, 18 years on Robben Island, he invited the jailer to his inauguration, he invited the prosecutor who asked for the death penalty to dinner, and he said, you know, I did that because otherwise I d still be in prison.
6
SPEAKER_01
Wow.
6
SPEAKER_01
So there are these people who, we were talking about humility,
6
SPEAKER_01
From every person I met, I go to South Africa a lot, it s a country I love.
6
SPEAKER_01
You d love it because I- I gotta check it out.
6
SPEAKER_01
You d love it.
6
SPEAKER_01
He was just, oh, I asked the guide who took me around that day, what was he like?
6
SPEAKER_01
It was all, I served with him for seven years.
6
SPEAKER_01
So, what was he like?
6
SPEAKER_01
And the first thing he said- He was an inmate with him.
6
SPEAKER_01
He was a political prisoner
6
SPEAKER_01
Wow.
6
SPEAKER_01
And served with Nelson Mandela.
6
SPEAKER_01
He served with Nelson Mandela.
6
SPEAKER_01
And he said, the first thing he said, and I ll never forget it, and he said, oh, oh, that man was a humble servant.
6
SPEAKER_01
Oh, man.
6
SPEAKER_01
So if we could only, now, for entrepreneurs, athletes, or whatever, humility is still incredibly important.
6
SPEAKER_00
How do we have confidence but stay a humble servant?
6
SPEAKER_00
How do we lead with confidence and go for it and not dim our light in the pursuit of our craft and creation and communication and execution and live with poise and power and passion but also be a humble servant?
6
SPEAKER_00
How do we hold both of those in two hands?
6
SPEAKER_00
It s hard enough to get confidence for a lot of people.
6
SPEAKER_01
Confidence is not easy.
6
SPEAKER_01
It s hard enough, yeah.
6
SPEAKER_01
I don t know.
6
SPEAKER_01
I would say, well, let s go to some tactics.
6
SPEAKER_01
There s a tool I talk about in the book called the pre-performance paragraph.
6
SPEAKER_01
It s simply one paragraph you write in your journal every morning about your ideal day.
6
SPEAKER_01
And related to that, there s four questions I journal about almost every morning.
6
SPEAKER_01
This could be tactical and hopefully valuable to your global base of viewers, followers.
6
SPEAKER_01
Number one, what am I grateful for?
6
SPEAKER_01
Common one.
6
SPEAKER_01
Number two, where am I winning?
6
SPEAKER_01
So if we focus on micro winning, it builds momentum and it builds confidence.
6
SPEAKER_01
We, our brain has a built in negativity bias.
6
SPEAKER_01
We look at the threats versus focus on our wins.
6
SPEAKER_01
So by deliberately focusing, asking yourself that question, where am I winning?
6
SPEAKER_01
You train your brain to focus on the progress that mostly we neglect.
6
SPEAKER_01
which builds confidence, creates energy, keeps us hopeful.
6
SPEAKER_01
Third question I ask myself, I have a sense you might like this one.
6
SPEAKER_01
What will I let go of today?
6
SPEAKER_01
If you haven t forgiven someone, you re carrying them on your back.
6
SPEAKER_01
It s a lot of energy.
6
SPEAKER_01
It affects your creativity, productivity, prosperity, and performance.
6
SPEAKER_01
So what will I let go of today?
6
SPEAKER_01
It could be someone who hurts you.
6
SPEAKER_01
It could be a loss.
6
SPEAKER_01
It could be a business struggle.
6
SPEAKER_01
It could be an insecurity that s bothering you.
6
SPEAKER_01
You re just frustrated about something.
6
SPEAKER_01
So let it go.
6
SPEAKER_01
And the final question I ask myself is, what would make today an ideal day?
6
SPEAKER_01
So in that morning protocol in my journaling sessions, you could write about humility.
6
SPEAKER_01
and that would help you stay focused during the day.
6
SPEAKER_01
But one of my best things, I m gonna go back to MVP.
6
SPEAKER_01
Like I just, when I meditate, when I visualize, and when I pray, I do my best to pray to be a servant, to be useful, not to forget the mission.
6
SPEAKER_01
When I write, I don t write to get on a bestseller list.
6
SPEAKER_01
I don t write to sell books.
6
SPEAKER_01
I think people would feel the energy and the emotions.
6
SPEAKER_01
So I write,
6
SPEAKER_01
I spent a year of my life, I rewrote this book maybe 20 times, 10,000 changes plus in every version.
6
SPEAKER_01
And it was really a hard book to write, but the way I look at it is, I said, I want The Wealth Money Can t Buy to be the most valuable book I ve ever done because I m only as good as my last book.
6
SPEAKER_01
But even more, I m only as good as my last book.
6
SPEAKER_01
Mail it in versus bring it on.
6
SPEAKER_01
But even more importantly, the way I look at it is I have a sacred bond with each of my readers.
6
SPEAKER_01
And so if they pick up the book, they trust me and I don t want to dishonor that.
6
SPEAKER_01
So MVP, journaling, et cetera, et cetera, can keep you humble.
6
SPEAKER_00
Speaking of question three, what s the biggest thing you ve had to let go of in your life that held you back the most?
6
SPEAKER_01
You always ask the hardest questions out of anyone.
6
SPEAKER_01
I would say
6
SPEAKER_00
You ve gone through a lot.
6
SPEAKER_00
You ve been, you know, businesses, relationships, people have burned you, people have taken advantage of you, you know, physical things you ve had to let go of, emotional things, mental.
6
SPEAKER_00
What would you say is the thing that was holding you back the most at some stage in your life that when you let it go, you created a level of freedom that you never had before?
6
SPEAKER_01
I would say two things.
6
SPEAKER_01
I would say, number one, there have been people who have hurt me.
6
SPEAKER_01
who I ve had to do a lot of work to get to a place where I love them from afar.
6
SPEAKER_01
So it doesn t mean you have to have them in your life.
6
SPEAKER_01
It s that old idea.
6
SPEAKER_01
People come back into your life to see if you re still stupid.
6
SPEAKER_01
So right in that other idea, which I think is very good reason season lifetime Some people come in for a reason some people come in for a season some keep people come in for a lifetime There s a chapter in the wealth money can t buy that explains my philosophy on it calls your hurters are your helpers and the people of who have
7
SPEAKER_00
hurt me most were actually people who taught me forgiveness, introduced me to any wisdom I have, introduced me to strength, et cetera, et cetera.
7
SPEAKER_00
So that would be something I ve had to let go of people who ve hurt me to get to a place of peace and forgiveness where I realized, you know what, they were just doing their best.
7
SPEAKER_00
They were stuck in scarcity and fear and they were just doing their best and it s the way they behaved seemed like a great idea to them in that moment.
7
SPEAKER_00
And then the second thing I ve had to let go of is just I would say
7
SPEAKER_00
You know, I sometimes see these people who, you look at them and you get that sense, they just have super confidence.
7
SPEAKER_00
And I almost go like, wow, how do they do that?
7
SPEAKER_00
And you know, I come from immigrant parents, wonderful parents, but simple beginnings.
7
SPEAKER_00
And you know, I m just a very ordinary person.
7
SPEAKER_00
So,
7
SPEAKER_00
you know, maybe to let go of some of that weight.
7
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, just, I don t know if I m being clear, but I just, I m very ordinary and sometimes I, yeah, sometimes I still struggle with that.
7
SPEAKER_01
Feeling ordinary or feeling from an immigrant background or feeling like you didn t belong or fit in or what s the?
7
SPEAKER_00
I would say that s part of it.
7
SPEAKER_00
You know, feeling I didn t fit in.
7
SPEAKER_00
Really?
7
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I think I,
7
SPEAKER_00
I often, I will often feel that.
7
SPEAKER_01
Still today or is this more of like the growing up stages, the memories of the past where you felt neglected or picked on or pushed away or?
7
SPEAKER_01
I wasn t picked on.
7
SPEAKER_01
Just not welcomed in.
7
SPEAKER_00
Well, I m sort of welcomed in, I just don t know if I wanted to be in.
7
SPEAKER_00
I gotcha.
7
SPEAKER_00
You know, like, I just, I hang out with the oddballs, the misfits, the eccentrics.
7
SPEAKER_00
Those are the people, like, you know, those are the people I love the most.
7
SPEAKER_00
I love the artists, I love the people who see the world differently, the people who I resonate with.
7
SPEAKER_00
Some of my closest friends are just quirky.
7
SPEAKER_00
They re real, they re quirky, and so, yeah, so that s what I would say.
7
SPEAKER_01
That s cool.
7
SPEAKER_01
In The Wealth Money Can t Buy, you have this concept of putting your last day first.
7
SPEAKER_01
Can you explain what that means and how someone could use this philosophy in their life today?
7
SPEAKER_00
Anytime I talk about mortality, people start to shift in their chairs.
7
SPEAKER_00
And they often say, I don t mean to get dark.
7
SPEAKER_00
I don t mean to talk about death.
7
SPEAKER_00
I think that mortality, and maybe I m channeling Marcus Aurelius here, the great Roman emperor.
7
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
7
SPEAKER_00
But he talked a lot about, you know, how we just end up as dust.
7
SPEAKER_00
He talked a lot about all the noise and all of our lives chasing these things for a year on the calendar, because a lot of the emperors had a year named after them.
7
SPEAKER_00
And so the last part of the books, the eighth form of wealth is about service.
7
SPEAKER_00
So I talk about helpfulness and how we can serve to find that form of inner riches and happiness.
7
SPEAKER_00
But there s a lot in the last section about the shortness of life.
7
SPEAKER_00
There s one chapter, Alexander the Great s
7
SPEAKER_00
Three last wishes.
7
SPEAKER_00
He told his lieutenants, he said, you know, when I die, I want three things to happen.
7
SPEAKER_00
Number one, I want the world s best doctors to walk behind my casket on the funeral possession.
7
SPEAKER_00
Number two, I want my emeralds, diamonds, and golds, and money to be strewn along the road going to the graveyard.
7
SPEAKER_00
And number three, I want my hands to be left open
7
SPEAKER_00
so all the world could see.
7
SPEAKER_00
And one very boldly said, you know,
7
SPEAKER_00
Alexander, why?
7
SPEAKER_00
He said, number one, I want people to see that all the great medicine, I get biohacking.
7
SPEAKER_00
I love all of that.
7
SPEAKER_00
I love it.
7
SPEAKER_00
But he said, I want the whole world to see that even the best doctors in the world can t help one cheat death.
7
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
7
SPEAKER_00
Number two, he said, I want people to see the money made in the world.
7
SPEAKER_00
remains in the world.
7
SPEAKER_00
And number three, I want all the crowd to witness my open hands to realize we re born with nothing and we die empty handed.
7
SPEAKER_00
Oh my gosh.
7
SPEAKER_00
And again, this is perspective.
7
SPEAKER_00
This is perspective.
7
SPEAKER_00
Imagine in our MVP, in our journaling every morning, while the rest of the world is asleep, we think about these things.
7
SPEAKER_00
And then we re in the world, we build the business, we build the family, we build the love, we build the mastery, we do all the worldly things.
7
SPEAKER_00
But we re, and this is one of the greatest proverbs of all time, and it s certainly not my proverb, but it s we re in the world but not of it.
7
SPEAKER_00
That s when you play with the masters.
7
SPEAKER_00
You re in the world, you re doing amazing things, you re finding wealth, worldly wealth, but you found the wealth money can t buy because you re in the world but not of it.
7
SPEAKER_00
So why do I say put your last day first?
7
SPEAKER_00
Because intimacy with mortality is an incredible source of focus.
7
SPEAKER_00
Like, I hope I live 30 more years.
7
SPEAKER_00
There s one concept I talk about called my, what do I call it?
7
SPEAKER_00
My 25 summers philosophy.
7
SPEAKER_00
If I m lucky, I have 20, 25 summers left on the planet.
7
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
7
SPEAKER_00
That s crazy to think about.
7
SPEAKER_00
It s a great thought exercise.
7
SPEAKER_00
25 Christmases, 25 more birthdays.
7
SPEAKER_00
And so the more you can connect with the shortness of life and remember, I m gonna be dust, we re all gonna be dust, no one s gonna remember me.
7
SPEAKER_00
I used to talk about legacy in my books 15 years ago.
7
SPEAKER_00
I don t believe in legacy now.
7
SPEAKER_00
Who cares about legacy?
7
SPEAKER_00
It s all about ego.
7
SPEAKER_01
and you re not gonna be around to experience and enjoy it.
7
SPEAKER_00
I m gonna be a pile of ashes on a fireplace mantle next to someone s Little League trophies.
7
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
7
SPEAKER_00
Who cares?
7
SPEAKER_00
My family will miss me, and maybe a few readers will think about me, but who cares?
7
SPEAKER_00
Look at all the kings and queens.
7
SPEAKER_00
We felt sad for them for a month, and we don t think about them now.
7
SPEAKER_00
Wow.
7
SPEAKER_01
So what should we be thinking about in terms of legacy?
7
SPEAKER_01
Is it a distraction?
7
SPEAKER_01
Or what is legacy for you today?
7
SPEAKER_00
Exactly.
7
SPEAKER_00
I think for thinking about legacy and how the generations who will follow will know that we were here, our focus, our hearts, our attention, our work, our lives are off of
7
SPEAKER_00
building each day beautifully.
7
SPEAKER_00
And the interesting thing is our days are our life in miniature, and as we live each day, we craft a lifetime.
7
SPEAKER_00
So forget about legacy.
7
SPEAKER_00
Do amazing things or good things today, and the paradox is you ll leave a legacy.
7
SPEAKER_01
Wow.
7
SPEAKER_01
It s interesting, I just turned 41 a couple of days ago, and the day after,
7
SPEAKER_01
I ve thought about and meditated on death for maybe, I don t know, 10, 15 years in some aspect, but it hit me, I don t know, after 41, it just hit me.
7
SPEAKER_01
I was like, man, like, I don t have like the rest of my life ahead of me as when I was 15 or 20 or 25.
7
SPEAKER_01
When you think about it, it s like, sure, I ve got hopefully have a long, healthy life.
7
SPEAKER_01
but it s not the rest of my life of like 80 years.
7
SPEAKER_01
You know, when you think about it, it s like, maybe who knows, like if there s some modern science or whatever, but.
7
SPEAKER_01
You really got to value these eight hidden habits to live your richest life.
7
SPEAKER_01
You ve got to get a value, these wealthy things in life beyond money.
7
SPEAKER_01
And I still think about money in terms of, you know, we ve got a team, we ve got expenses, we ve got office, we ve got employees, we ve got agencies.
7
SPEAKER_01
We ve got to pay things to make sure that things thrive and grow and develop.
7
SPEAKER_01
But I ve put more attention in the last year on my health and my relationships than ever before.
7
SPEAKER_01
And I feel the most peaceful and abundant I ve ever felt because I put my attention on health, relationships, and visualizing building a family.
7
SPEAKER_01
I don t have kids yet, right?
7
SPEAKER_01
But visualizing, planning, talking about it, creating the idea around it.
7
SPEAKER_01
And someone asked me this morning, they re like, how are you feeling?
7
SPEAKER_01
I like to tell the truth of how I m feeling.
8
SPEAKER_00
Where most people say I m good or I m having a great day or things are fine, I like to say exactly how I m feeling.
8
SPEAKER_00
Maybe I don t know if that s good or bad, but I m like, I m not in a good place right now.
8
SPEAKER_00
Or when I met you, the first time I met you, within 10 minutes I said, I m really struggling.
8
SPEAKER_00
And you said, how s your day?
8
SPEAKER_00
Five, six years ago I was like, I m actually really in a struggling place and I feel like people have abandoned me and betrayed me.
8
SPEAKER_00
I don t really know, and you gave me a great piece of advice.
8
SPEAKER_00
If I hadn t said how I felt, I wouldn t have had that wisdom shared by you that I ve been able to apply for the last five or six years.
8
SPEAKER_00
I wouldn t have that memory and that moment that gave me insights that said, oh,
8
SPEAKER_00
This is tough now, but let me have hindsight now as opposed to wait to have hindsight and know that every bad thing or challenge that s happened to me is actually one of the biggest blessings in the future of my life.
8
SPEAKER_00
When I look back at being injured or hurt playing football or going through bad breakups or feeling like I failed on my face, something good came from that.
8
SPEAKER_00
It might have taken six months or years, but riches came from the pain.
8
SPEAKER_00
And so if I wouldn t have shared how I felt in that moment, I wouldn t have that wisdom that you gave me.
8
SPEAKER_00
And so I think about investing in these eight things that you talk about, about building wealth, and the health and the relationships are definitely two of the things that I put more time and attention in.
8
SPEAKER_00
And so someone asked me today, how are you feeling?
8
SPEAKER_00
I was like, I am blessed, I am grateful, I am healthy, I feel loved, and I feel abundant.
8
SPEAKER_00
And they were like, wow, those are all great words.
8
SPEAKER_00
And I go, well,
8
SPEAKER_00
When you have the wealth words and you use them correctly, you start to create and manifest those things as well.
8
SPEAKER_00
And so this is all coming together.
8
SPEAKER_00
I m just mixing it all together now, but I m so grateful that we re having this conversation.
8
SPEAKER_00
So I m not sure where I was going with that, but I think it s powerful to be speaking what is on your mind and figuring out how can I use this for my benefit and get beyond it if it s not a positive state.
8
SPEAKER_01
Well, what I hear you saying, Lewis, is first of all, you re in a very good place, which is beautiful.
8
SPEAKER_01
Second, what I hear you saying is you used your triumphs as well as your tragedies as grist for the mill.
8
SPEAKER_01
See, the ego would judge the darkness as difficulty, but pain purifies.
8
SPEAKER_01
And those hard times, right?
8
SPEAKER_01
The pain is an amazing purifier.
8
SPEAKER_01
And it s in those difficult times that we really get to know all we truly are.
8
SPEAKER_01
It s in those difficult times where we ask ourselves the big questions.
8
SPEAKER_01
And we ask ourselves, who am I?
8
SPEAKER_01
What are my most important values?
8
SPEAKER_01
We learn wisdom.
8
SPEAKER_01
We learn forgiveness.
8
SPEAKER_01
We learn how strong we are when we are on our knees.
8
SPEAKER_01
And so, and I find it interesting, I mentioned Mandela, but when I study the lives, I love memoirs and biographies and autobiographies.
8
SPEAKER_01
And when I read the best of the best, they ve suffered the most.
8
SPEAKER_01
Rumi said it well.
8
SPEAKER_01
He said, keep breaking your heart over and over until it opens.
8
SPEAKER_01
Wow.
8
SPEAKER_01
And so if you look at the people, I think I mentioned I was interviewed yesterday by a gentleman, John O Cleary.
8
SPEAKER_01
And he, I want to get his story right, but he was, I think as a kid, he was in a fire and he suffered amputations and he suffered a real tragedy.
8
SPEAKER_01
But when I spoke to him, you could just,
8
SPEAKER_01
It was a digital call, but you could just feel the humanity.
8
SPEAKER_01
And so I think when you go through really hard times, I guess what I m trying to say is we all have an ambient fear of death.
8
SPEAKER_01
And it really limits us.
8
SPEAKER_01
But when you experience tragedy,
8
SPEAKER_01
and you get through it, you realize very few things can kill you.
8
SPEAKER_01
Very few things can break you.
8
SPEAKER_01
I ve been in my life in a situation where I came close to losing everything.
8
SPEAKER_01
Was it fun going through it?
8
SPEAKER_01
No, it was miserable.
8
SPEAKER_01
But now I m at peace, losing everything.
8
SPEAKER_00
So, I mean.
8
SPEAKER_00
You mentioned something about like, I think it was great leaders or,
8
SPEAKER_00
legendary individuals, they care less of opinions of others.
8
SPEAKER_00
And I think when you go through some type of trauma or trial or pain or suffering,
8
SPEAKER_00
you realize, oh, OK, I ve been through some of the worst.
8
SPEAKER_00
So someone judging me or comparing me or trying to say mean things about me doesn t matter.
8
SPEAKER_00
I m going to go after what I want.
8
SPEAKER_00
I m going to live the best life that I can because I almost lost it all, or I dealt with something way worse than this.
8
SPEAKER_00
And I think that you mentioned some of the happiest people are the people that have been through the most pain or suffering and learned how to overcome it.
8
SPEAKER_00
I was reading a quote recently from Don Miller who talked about this, just the idea of storytelling, that every great story has a problem and a hero to solve it.
8
SPEAKER_00
Otherwise, there is no story.
8
SPEAKER_00
And I m not saying we should welcome horrible pains and life-threatening moments in our lives, but challenge is going to show up the more we live life and go after the things we want.
8
SPEAKER_00
And that s kind of what makes us heroic, is the problems that we face and how we overcome or solve them.
8
SPEAKER_00
And I just love that approach that you have to taking on this.
8
SPEAKER_00
And I m curious, this season of your life, you ve got a lot more wisdom than me and more experience.
8
SPEAKER_00
How do you approach death now?
8
SPEAKER_00
You know, seeing, I m assuming you have friends who have died at, you know,
8
SPEAKER_00
that are close to you or people you ve known, more people you ve known that have probably passed away or had maybe less healthy or things like that.
8
SPEAKER_00
How do you approach life and death now at this season?
8
SPEAKER_01
I would say I walk the earth more gently.
8
SPEAKER_01
And I think what s most important comes into sharper focus.
8
SPEAKER_01
When I see my parents, for example,
8
SPEAKER_01
You know, always make sure I celebrate them.
8
SPEAKER_01
And when we part, like the other night in Toronto, I gave my mom an incredible hug, my dad an incredible hug.
8
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I think as you get older, you just...
8
SPEAKER_01
I still want to write so many more books and I m traveling and I m up early and I still have a huge fire in my belly to do what I love to do so much in terms of my career.
8
SPEAKER_01
And I still am an adventurer and I want to see the world and experience new things.
8
SPEAKER_01
There s also, I would just say, just a gentleness that comes with getting a few years behind you.
8
SPEAKER_01
Sure.
8
SPEAKER_01
Things that might have bothered me in the past, they don t bother me as much.
8
SPEAKER_01
You just start to realize every human being in front of you has a story to tell, a lesson to teach, a dream to share.
8
SPEAKER_01
I just have a lot more time to hang out with the taxi driver, have a conversation with a stranger.
8
SPEAKER_00
If you could go back to your 30s or early 40s and you could tell yourself three things to take on or let go of to set yourself up for better success now at this stage of life, what would those three things be that you would tell yourself?
8
SPEAKER_00
your 30 or 40-year-old self or anyone in their 30s and 40s today?
8
SPEAKER_01
The first thing I would say is be a minimalist versus a maximalist.
8
SPEAKER_01
If you look at any genius, and I ve worked with a lot of business geniuses, athletic geniuses, sports geniuses, these people all have one thing in common.
8
SPEAKER_01
They do one thing and only one thing at BIW Best in the World.
8
SPEAKER_01
So I would say build your life around just a few things.
8
SPEAKER_01
That s the power of the framework in the wealth money can t buy.
8
SPEAKER_01
I think there s eight, these are like eight Mount Everest.
8
SPEAKER_01
Build your life around these eight Mount Everest, you re guaranteed to live an amazing life.
8
SPEAKER_01
Not 50 things, even in business.
8
SPEAKER_01
I think the people who get the most traction, they come up with one idea, and here s a bonus point,
8
SPEAKER_01
are approached with a once-in-a-lifetime other idea and they say no to it even though it s a once-in-a-lifetime idea because they have their mountaintop they re chasing.
8
SPEAKER_01
So the first thing I would say is be a minimalist versus a maximalist.
8
SPEAKER_01
Even personally, have a few friends.
8
SPEAKER_01
There s a chapter in the book, The Three Great Friends Rule.
8
SPEAKER_01
Have three great friends versus 10,000 digital friends.
8
SPEAKER_01
Master three wonderful books versus reading 60 books.
9
SPEAKER_00
Just do a few things really, really well.
9
SPEAKER_00
Everyone s saying, I m so busy.
9
SPEAKER_00
What I would say is strip away complexity, have a few friends, focus on your family, focus on the forms of wealth, wellness, adventure, and just do a few of those things, and then you re gonna free up so much time, and the paradox is you re gonna be better at the few things that you do.
9
SPEAKER_00
Second thing I would say to my 30-year-old self, I would just remind myself
9
SPEAKER_00
Your primary relationship determines every relationship.
9
SPEAKER_00
What does that mean?
9
SPEAKER_00
It means that working on four interior empires, that s the term I call for your inner life.
9
SPEAKER_00
So many people talk about mindset.
9
SPEAKER_00
Mindset is incredibly important.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s your psychology.
9
SPEAKER_00
But I believe as human beings, we have three other interior empires that need to be optimized and calibrated bit by bit every day.
9
SPEAKER_00
Mindset is your psychology.
9
SPEAKER_00
Heartset is your emotionality.
9
SPEAKER_00
You can have a great mindset,
9
SPEAKER_00
Toxic heart set, you re never gonna win in business, you re never gonna win in relationships, it s gonna affect your health with inflammation, cortisol, et cetera, et cetera.
9
SPEAKER_00
Third interior umpire, your health set.
9
SPEAKER_00
You know this so well.
9
SPEAKER_00
Your health set is your physicality.
9
SPEAKER_00
So I think it s incredibly important to be fit.
9
SPEAKER_00
Your fitness determines income impact.
9
SPEAKER_00
Fitness determines ideation.
9
SPEAKER_00
Fitness determines longevity.
9
SPEAKER_00
Fitness determines your positivity, your moods, et cetera, et cetera.
9
SPEAKER_00
And then the fourth interior umpire is your soul set.
9
SPEAKER_00
That s your spirituality.
9
SPEAKER_00
And people might, I wish that the world celebrated spirituality even more.
9
SPEAKER_00
Because I m not talking about religion or mysticism at all, Lewis.
9
SPEAKER_00
When I use the term soul set in the four interior empire model, I m talking about your relationship with your heroic self versus your egoic self.
9
SPEAKER_00
Your egoic self is the part of you that is developed through the micro and macro trauma that we ve experienced as we ve journeyed through life.
9
SPEAKER_00
So it s the fearful, scared, limited, selfish, insecure part of us that affects everything.
9
SPEAKER_00
Our heroic self is there.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s there.
9
SPEAKER_00
It is who we truly are.
9
SPEAKER_00
It is the silent whispers of wisdom that come to us when we re quiet.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s our bravery.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s our instinct.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s our loving hearts.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s our strong character in hard times.
9
SPEAKER_00
So I would remind my 30-year-old self that that relationship, the more time you can spend alone and building those four interior empires,
9
SPEAKER_00
Well, then you go out in the world, and you get a no, you keep on going.
9
SPEAKER_00
You go out in the world, you want to start a business, everyone laughs, you keep on going.
9
SPEAKER_00
You re in a relationship with a customer, a supplier, a lover, your partner.
9
SPEAKER_00
And that quiet time and that inner character you ve built determines how you show up.
9
SPEAKER_00
So I would say that would be the second thing.
9
SPEAKER_00
And the third thing I would say to my 30-year-old self is the one who serves the most wins.
9
SPEAKER_00
Amen.
9
SPEAKER_01
in every aspect of winning.
9
SPEAKER_01
Not just like in the business or in this, but you win in all areas of these four kind of interior, what do you call them?
9
SPEAKER_01
Four keys to mindset or four interior emperors?
9
SPEAKER_01
Four interior empires.
9
SPEAKER_01
Empires, yeah, yeah, yeah.
9
SPEAKER_00
That s good.
9
SPEAKER_00
I love this.
9
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I mean, it s such a paradox, but
9
SPEAKER_00
As I love to share, Mahatma Gandhi said it so well, to lose yourself in service of others is to find yourself.
9
SPEAKER_00
And that sounds like a philosophical idea, and yet it is so true to
9
SPEAKER_00
As we work on ourselves to be more helpful to people, be more valuable to others, to be more useful to other people, we actually find ourselves and we find happiness.
9
SPEAKER_00
And that s one of the paradoxes.
9
SPEAKER_00
Money s important.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s one of the eight forms of wealth that I talk about in the book.
9
SPEAKER_00
But I don t know anyone who has said, I finally made enough money and I m happy.
9
SPEAKER_00
See, it s a hamster wheel.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s a jog of choice.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s never enough, right, yeah.
9
SPEAKER_00
Do you?
9
SPEAKER_00
Do you know someone?
9
SPEAKER_01
I mean, I feel very happy with the business and the money I ve made and saved because it allows me to have flexibility.
9
SPEAKER_01
And I feel like I ve been smart over the last 18 years of working hard and saving money and investing money and reinvesting it in myself and relationships.
9
SPEAKER_01
But I don t want to stop making money, I guess.
9
SPEAKER_01
So I want to keep earning and creating more to be able to serve more.
9
SPEAKER_01
But I feel at peace and harmonious with where I m at.
9
SPEAKER_01
So if that makes sense.
9
SPEAKER_01
So I still want to earn more and make more.
9
SPEAKER_01
I m not like, OK, I m done.
9
SPEAKER_01
But yeah, I feel at peace with what I ve created up to here.
9
SPEAKER_01
I get you.
9
SPEAKER_00
And I m not saying to anyone.
9
SPEAKER_01
But I still want to make more.
9
SPEAKER_00
Don t quote make more money.
9
SPEAKER_00
I m simply suggesting it s one of the eight forms of wealth.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s a fifth form of wealth.
9
SPEAKER_00
It s a form of wealth.
9
SPEAKER_00
Don t make it your god.
9
SPEAKER_00
Make it your servant.
9
SPEAKER_00
I love that.
9
SPEAKER_00
And I just think too many people, I think it s something, it s not everything.
9
SPEAKER_00
And what s the point of being cash rich and life poor?
9
SPEAKER_00
What s the point of having all of the money in the world
9
SPEAKER_00
and you have an empty heart and you don t like yourself very much.
9
SPEAKER_00
And a home full of stuff but not full of love.
9
SPEAKER_00
And let s go to the science, hedonic adaptation.
9
SPEAKER_00
Any good positive psychologist will tell you hedonic adaptation is the human beings, the human phenomenon psychologically of getting what we always wanted and we feel good about it for about a week and then the baseline happiness kicks back in.
9
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, we need more.
9
SPEAKER_01
More.
9
SPEAKER_01
These are great lessons for someone in their 30s and 40s.
9
SPEAKER_01
I ve got, I don t know, 20 more questions on my list here that we didn t even get to tap into.
9
SPEAKER_01
But I m assuming a lot of those answers that you would have shared would be in this book, The Wealth Money Can t Buy, The Eight Hidden Habits to Live Your Richest Life.
9
SPEAKER_01
I want people to get a copy of this and get a couple copies for their friends.
9
SPEAKER_01
I feel like this would be a book that you could read over and over and digest.
9
SPEAKER_01
a few chapters at a time and go over them multiple times to really take in everything that you need in your life to feel more peaceful, abundant, happy, healthy, and in service to your mission and the people around you.
9
SPEAKER_01
So I want people to get a copy of this book.
9
SPEAKER_01
For me, this was extremely powerful, and I want to acknowledge you again, Robin, for the energy you bring, the wisdom you bring, the insights, and the dedication to your craft, ghosting for a year of your life to dive in deep into this.
9
SPEAKER_01
You ve created a masterpiece for so many of us to have knowledge broken down into things that we can understand and start to apply in our lives if we have the courage to take the actions.
9
SPEAKER_01
Again,
9
SPEAKER_01
Knowledge is only as good as the action you take to implement it and learn it yourself So don t just read this but start applying these things little by little and you ll start to feel Wealthier and your richest life life ever.
9
SPEAKER_01
So again, I would acknowledge you Robin for being here for taking the time For sharing so many stories openly and vulnerably.
9
SPEAKER_01
It s beautiful.
9
SPEAKER_01
It s powerful.
9
SPEAKER_01
I know this this is going to impact a lot of lives the four
9
SPEAKER_01
Interior emperors is that what it is the four interior buyers empires like you ve seen emperors the four interior empires I believe was from the 5 a.m.
9
SPEAKER_01
Club Which I loved and I know a lot of people Have read that book and bought that book if you re listening on this show and if you ve been watching this show so I want you guys to check out that book as well, but if they follow you at
9
SPEAKER_01
Robin Sharma, anywhere on social media, they can find you.
9
SPEAKER_01
What s your main site where they can connect with you as well to see all your books and anything else?
9
SPEAKER_00
robinsharma.com and Instagram and YouTube at robinsharma.
9
SPEAKER_00
OK, perfect.
9
SPEAKER_01
The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari was obviously one of your biggest books.
9
SPEAKER_01
The 5 AM Club, which was one of your newest books.
9
SPEAKER_01
And The Wealth Money Can t Buy.
9
SPEAKER_01
Make sure you guys pick this up.
9
SPEAKER_01
Get it for a friend.
9
SPEAKER_01
Follow you on social media, even though you might be ghosted for times here and there.
9
SPEAKER_01
So you may not be posting if you re ghosting on the next book.
9
SPEAKER_01
Two final questions for you, and I ve asked you these before, but I m curious if it s different from the last times.
9
SPEAKER_01
The first one is the three truths question.
9
SPEAKER_01
I ask everyone at the end, if you can imagine a hypothetical scenario, it s your last day on earth many years away, which sounds like you ve visualized and meditated on many times.
9
SPEAKER_01
And from this moment on until that last day, you get to create and live how
10
SPEAKER_01
However you want to live.
10
SPEAKER_01
But for whatever reason, all of your work has to go with you or has to go somewhere else.
10
SPEAKER_01
We don t have access to any book, any conversation, any piece of content you ve ever shared.
10
SPEAKER_01
Hypothetical scenario.
10
SPEAKER_01
But you could leave behind on the last day three lessons, three final truths.
10
SPEAKER_01
Kind of like you are, you know, Alexander the Great, leaving behind these three lessons.
10
SPEAKER_01
What would be those three truths you would leave behind if we had no access to anything else of your information?
10
SPEAKER_00
I would say every human being, to use your words, has greatness within them, but every human being matters, and every human being has specialness and gifts and wonder within them.
10
SPEAKER_00
The second truth I would say is life is too short,
10
SPEAKER_00
to postpone living on your own terms.
10
SPEAKER_00
And the third truth is, as simple as it sounds, Lewis, I would say personal development, personal growth, it really works.
10
SPEAKER_00
Whether it s the MVP, whether it s the morning routine, whether it s the journaling, whether it s the reading, all the modalities we know about.
10
SPEAKER_00
But small daily seemingly insignificant improvements when done consistently over time lead to stunning results.
10
SPEAKER_00
What I m trying to say is there are a lot of people out there who want to feel stronger and want to achieve their ethical ambitions and want to do amazing things and have this vision for a beautiful life.
10
SPEAKER_00
And it s how can you get there, and how do you get there is you start.
10
SPEAKER_00
You start today, and as simple as it sounds, each and every day, little by little, you make progress.
10
SPEAKER_00
And it s amazing how far you can get in a series of weeks, months, and years.
10
SPEAKER_00
Those would be three simple truths.
10
SPEAKER_00
Final question, what is your definition of greatness?
10
SPEAKER_00
I would say having the wisdom, courage, and persistency to make yourself into who you re truly meant to become.
10
SPEAKER_00
And it s a process and just being in the process each day of becoming more of who you re truly meant to become.
10
SPEAKER_00
Your gifts, your talents, your bravery, your loving heart, your vision and executing on it.
10
SPEAKER_00
Being in the process is winning.
10
SPEAKER_00
Robert Louis Stevens and the Scottish novelist said,
10
SPEAKER_00
judge your success not by the harvest you reap but by the seeds you plant.
10
SPEAKER_00
So I think the real trophy is being in the process of becoming who you want to be versus getting the gold medal at the end of the day.
10
SPEAKER_01
I hope today s episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness.
10
SPEAKER_01
Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today s show with all the important links.
10
SPEAKER_01
And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me as well as ad free listening experience, make sure to subscribe to our greatness plus channel on apple podcast.
10
SPEAKER_01
If you enjoyed this, please share it with a friend over on social media or text a friend.
10
SPEAKER_01
Leave us a review over on Apple podcast and let me know what you learned over on our social media channels at Lewis Howes.
10
SPEAKER_01
I really love hearing the feedback from you and it helps us continue to make the show better.
10
SPEAKER_01
And if you want more inspiration from our world-class guests and content to learn how to improve the quality of your life, then make sure to sign up for the Greatness Newsletter and get it delivered right to your inbox over at greatness.com slash newsletter.
10
SPEAKER_01
And if no one has told you today, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.
10
SPEAKER_01
And now it s time to go out there and do something great.