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Hello?
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Hi there!
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Hi!
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Is this the Therapy Gecko?
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This is, this is Therapy Gecko.
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What s going on?
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Nothing much, I was just chillin , watching the stream.
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Um, what s your name?
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What s your, what s your home address?
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What s going on?
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Um, my name is, uh, Ox, and I live in Atlanta.
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Oh, cool!
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You know that song that Chance the Rapper does where he goes, hot lana, hot water, hot shower?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That s a great song.
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That s a good song.
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Um, what else do I know about?
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I used to live, I lived in Atlanta for a couple months.
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Yeah, I lived there, uh, the Gucci Mane Texaco.
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Oh, cool.
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Yeah, it s, it s a good, it s a fun place.
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There s the, you ever been to the, oh, you ever been to the museum of Coca-Cola?
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Yeah, I actually got sick in the bathroom there one time.
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Well, that sounds like a good place to get sick in the bathroom because they got a lot of seltzer.
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Yeah, there were the varsity.
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Oh, the Varsity!
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Oh my god, this is... We re getting Atlanta-specific, but I love the Varsity.
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The Varsity fucking rocks.
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If you eat there more than three times in a... I think you can probably only afford to eat there three times in your life, or else you ll just die of grease, but it s good.
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I mean, give it a shot.
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I don t know, I ve eaten there a lot.
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Anyway, anyway, I don t want to isolate our non-Atlanta audience with this inside baseball talk.
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Ox!
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What is it you wanted to talk about on the Gecko thing today?
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I wanted to talk about the time I got kidnapped and taken on vacation.
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Who kidnapped you?
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Um, this guy I was dating who was not very nice.
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How old were you?
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Um, I was 19.
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How d you meet this guy?
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He was my math tutor in high school.
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Oh, okay.
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It just gets worse from here, man.
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So you met him when you were in high school and then you got a little bit older and graduated and then he kidnapped you?
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We were dating like when I was still in high school when he was like 23.
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OK, well, where did I mean, go ahead.
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I ll stop asking questions if you want to tell the story.
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Oh, God.
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OK, so we ended up living together for a couple of years and.
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he just got like more and more horrible to me and like he wouldn t let me work certain shifts at my job because he wouldn t he was home and he didn t want me to be anywhere else and like stuff like that um so basically we were living together and he just got more and more horrible to me and like he wouldn t let me work certain shifts at my job and like i couldn t have like he would go through my phone he knew all my passwords he knew like my bank account information
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And he was like, let s go on a trip.
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And I was like, I really don t want to go on a trip.
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But he got in my phone, sent himself $3,000 out of my bank account.
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And I was like, what the fuck?
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I m done with this.
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I m about to go.
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Bye.
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And he s like, no, let s go on a trip.
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And I m like, what?
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He basically forced me to go on a trip to Colorado.
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Uh, how long were you in Colorado for?
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For like a week.
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What was that week like?
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It was crazy.
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Like he, so I have a lot of tattoos at the time.
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I like, even though I was like younger, I had a bunch of tattoos at the time and he didn t have any.
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And like, he was like, Oh, I want you to pick out a tattoo for me.
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And he basically like made me stay in the hotel room half the time, unless like he wanted to do something.
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Or I thought of something that he would agree to do.
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You know how people go to Colorado to smoke weed?
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He didn t want to smoke any weed.
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Who goes to Colorado and doesn t want to smoke weed?
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I love that that s the worst part of this story to you.
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Is that your kidnapper didn t want to get high.
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I m saying, man.
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It could have made it a little more pleasant.
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Jeez.
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Oh my god.
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So this was two years ago?
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This is 20, yeah, it was 2021.
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What the fuck?
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What happened, man?
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What happened with this guy?
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How d you get away from him?
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Um, we landed on, like, we came back to where we were and we drove back at night, and I took all my shit, and I went to my parents  house, and my parents, like, owned the house that we were living in at the time, so they just, like, was like, hey, get your shit, get out, like, trespass on the property, don t contact us anymore.
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I had to get
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I couldn t get a restraining order in the town that we lived in because the town that I lived in, that the house was in, didn t allow restraining orders.
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Wait a minute, your parents owned a place that you and that guy were living at together?
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Yes.
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Did your parents know about all this stuff?
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I mean, like when it happened, like when it was going on, like, no, they just knew I was like going on a trip, like a spontaneous trip.
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But they didn t know, like, about all the crazy, like, abuse stuff.
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Or they just knew and they didn t want to do anything about it.
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I don t know.
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Me and my mom have a really complicated relationship, so.
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OK, so this was two years ago.
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This guy doesn t, he doesn t still contact you or anything, does he?
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No, I haven t heard from him like since all that happened.
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Thank God, you know, that s cool Are you?
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Have you have you entered into a more stable relationship since then or or rather even found stability Within yourself like how have you?
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healed so to speak
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, like I got diagnosed with PTSD because of like that relationship, which sucks.
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But I mean, I m just taking each day at a time and being nice to myself and, you know, learning how to be normal.
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That s crazy, man.
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He kidnapped you, took you to Denver and didn t even didn t even get you any dabs.
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I know, right.
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It was in May to 710.
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What s 710?
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It s the dab day.
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Hold on, I had no idea there was 420 for dabs.
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Yeah, man, you didn t know about dab day?
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710, man.
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How did we get 710?
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Is that like DAB?
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Because if you flip it backwards, it says dab or something.
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Hang on, I can ask my boyfriend who does dabs every day.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, 710 upside down is oil.
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Oil, that s what it is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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There it is.
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Okay, so you have a new boyfriend.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He s crazy, but he s awesome.
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Well, hold on.
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Now, what s crazy mean?
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Because... I feel like the bar for crazy is now pretty high.
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He just, like, builds crazy shit all the time, and my house is just full of, like, random objects that are... Like, right now my house is filled with old Naruto comics.
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From 2008 because apparently he s like flipping them on eBay.
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There s like a whole kiln in my backyard.
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I love Naruto comic book collector guy way better than a creepy math teacher guy.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t even like Naruto.
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He doesn t
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We were talking, me and my friend who was like 25 at the time, we were talking about, you know, we were in a different town because I had to go get like a procedure done.
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And this is like, and it was like far away from where I lived.
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And we were like at a bar just hanging out and that we, that I had snuck into.
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And there was just this guy across the bar, he was staring at me and he had a bunch of, and he had two other friends with him.
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And then me and my friend started talking about doing dabs.
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And they re like, yo, you wanna come do dabs with us?
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And we re like, hell yeah.
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And so we just went to their random house at like, you know, nine o clock at night.
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Is weed like a, does that connect you to people?
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You re like, if somebody is- I just really like it.
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Yeah, are you high right now?
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Oh yeah, I m hitting the dab pen.
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I was just smoking the bong in the living room watching the stream.
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That s cool.
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Well, all right.
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So how long have you been dating the Naruto guy for?
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Um, like almost, it ll be three years in November, I think.
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I don t know.
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I m bad at math.
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That s cool.
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Um, well, are you feeling good about life in general?
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It sounds like everything s going okay.
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Oh yeah.
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I love life, man.
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I m happy to be here, finally.
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You know, it s not as bad as it s all cracked out to be.
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Yeah, you sound high.
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I never knew about 7-10.
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I gotta do- I gotta- I haven t- I ve- I ve said this 8,000 times on this fucking thing, but I ve never done- No, I ve never- I haven t done, like, real dabs in a while.
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I- I do the pen, but, like, I haven t done the whole thing with the torch and the booger.
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Oh, really?
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In a while, yeah.
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When you come to Atlanta, I can hook you up.
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With that, isn t it legal?
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Do I need a secret hookup or is it illegal?
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It s not legal here, unfortunately.
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Unless you want like the THCA, but I mean like, it s not as good quality.
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Hmm.
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Well, um, well, thanks for sharing this story about, uh, I mean this genuinely.
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Thank you for sharing this story about the worst thing that s ever happened to you.
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I hope that s the worst thing that s ever happened to you.
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I don t mean that as in, I hope that you don t have, you know what I m trying to say.
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I hope that you don t have a second worst thing that you re holding back, that that s the worst that God didn t get worse.
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Thank you.
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Of course.
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Um,
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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Or any other aspect of any of this stuff or life in general that you wanted to talk about or anything?
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Be nice, love yourself, love everybody, and Geek Nation.
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Thank you very much.
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Have a good rest of the night.
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You too, Lyle.
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Love you.
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Man, what a side hustle, collecting Naruto comics.
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That s the guy.
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That s Hotlanta right there, a guy who deals dabs and Naruto manga.
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Hey folks, this is Lyle.
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I am very excited to announce that I am going back on tour in 2024 to do Therapy Gecko Live all across the country.
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If you ve never been to one of my live shows before, they re basically like giant group gecko therapy sessions where people from the audience come on stage to talk to a gecko about whatever they want, just like we do right here on the podcast.
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Plus,
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I mix in a few stories and presentations and little tidbits from my own life.
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Tickets are available right now at therapygeckotour.com or you can find the link in the episode description.
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I m announcing many more cities in the second half of the year, but right now, tickets are on sale for Phoenix, Arizona, Louisville, Kentucky, St.
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Louis, Missouri, Orlando, Florida, Tampa, Florida, Miami, Florida,
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Boston, Massachusetts, Denver, Colorado, Syracuse, New York, Albany, New York, Hartford, Connecticut, Las Vegas, Nevada, Salt Lake City, Utah, Nashville, Tennessee, Huntsville, Alabama, Chicago, Illinois, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, San Jose, California, San Francisco, California, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.
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And you can get tickets for all of those cities at therapygeckotour.com.
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If you didn t hear me say your city, you can still go to the link and hit the RSVP button to get notified for when I do come to your city in the second half of the year.
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This is my third tour so far, and I think it s gonna be sick.
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So I hope to see you there.
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Thanks.
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Somebody just texted me saying, in all caps, I have psychopathic tendencies.
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Is that worth, uh... Should I... Should we do that one, or is that too crazy?
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Uh, why not?
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Okay, let s give it a- let s try it.
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Hello?
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Hi there, what s your name, sir?
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That is... John.
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John.
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How s life, John?
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It s pretty, well, sorry, I m pretty dabbed out right now.
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I did not expect you to call.
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Uh, you re dabbed out right now?
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Oh yeah.
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Did you hit the, what, did you hit the rig?
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Yeah, I got the rig over in Michigan, so everything s
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That s cool.
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I haven t taken a dab- like, uh, all the pens are kind of oil now, but I haven t taken a, uh, a real motherfucking, like, dab in a while.
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I m sure I ve said this on the podcast before, but dabs are fascinating because I remember doing them in high school and, like, thinking to myself, you know, if my mom walked in on me lighting something with a torch, she wouldn t think it was pot.
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She would think it was, like, a significantly harder drug.
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Anything that you do that involves a fucking torch is definitely schedule one.
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Is that what you did?
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You did the torch thing with the little booger of oil and you did all that?
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Yeah, the whole THC overload.
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I miss that shit.
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I haven t done that in a long... I haven t done it in a long time and the thing is that even if I did it now, it just wouldn t be the same as doing it in high school.
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Anyway, enough about me, enough of my memories.
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What s up, man?
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What do you want to talk about?
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Well, I mean, I guess the only thing I really do have to talk about is the psychopathic tendencies.
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The psychopathic tendencies.
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I don t know how else to call it.
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I don t know.
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Like, I just don t have a lot of remorse or, like, bad feelings when I hurt people.
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And it kind of took me a long time to associate hurting people with, like, you know, you shouldn t do that to the people that you love.
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And it creates negative things in your relationship.
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And through psychedelics and stuff, I feel like it s helped me understand that.
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But still, you know, I have my problems with it.
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Are you physically hurting people?
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No, I used to, you know, fight and I definitely lash out at people.
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Definitely, uh, emotionally, I really tried not to anymore, but I can be a little hurtful with my words.
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What do you think is, what do you think happened to cause you to, uh, change?
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Um, I m not sure if it s like a,
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Nature versus nurture or whatever like I had some traumatic experiences growing up, you know my uh It feels weird talking about it, but you re the guck so I feel like I can but um Yeah, but uh, you know, my stepdad killed himself when I was younger And I didn t see it, but my mom witnessed it I remember all that stuff and then you know some other things that happened
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Really kind of brought death into my life at a young age and then kind of made me Just careless with it not quite careless.
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I just can t think of the right word How old are you now?
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26 Okay, cool and so alright, so I mean from the way that you re telling the story it sounds like You re on an upward trajectory yeah, you know a lot of psychedelics and
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Hmm.
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Um, so I guess, well, you should talk to a real therapist, but, uh, like, all right.
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I mean, what, so you feel like you re on an upward trajectory.
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You feel like you ve gotten a little bit better at handling your anger issues and whatnot.
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What do you, what s left?
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What ways do you feel like you still hurt people or are still get angry that you want to change?
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Well, I thought I got rid of a lot of the problems.
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and stuff but it was more like i got rid of all the triggers in my life i kind of just like broke off from everything and then i got a girlfriend i had to start working through a lot of that shit again but honestly
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So I guess what I m thinking is like
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What tell me more and I know you answered this question already But tell me more about how you feel as though you ve gotten better from where you once were and then how you can use that information to help you deal with some of the remaining anger that you have I m definitely more comfortable with myself and I try to love myself a little more, you know, like
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I feel like your relationship with yourself is really a reflection of your relationship with others, and vice versa.
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You hate yourself, you re definitely going to hate others.
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So I really try to focus on my relationship with myself.
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I definitely don t lash out at the people really close to me.
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I try to make a conscious effort to have good relationships with them.
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and be there for them and stuff.
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How s everything going with your girlfriend?
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It s pretty solid.
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We ll have like a weird couple of days, but I m not like mean to her or anything.
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You know, and she has a lot of her own mental illness that she s dealing with.
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But we ll have like a day there.
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So we re just like really quiet and weird between us.
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We don t really talk.
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But it s not like we yelled at each other or anything.
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What do you do for a living, for a job?
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I grow cannabis.
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Are you getting high every day?
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Yes, I have been smoking every day since 2016.
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It s a problem.
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There s a lot more other drugs, but
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I ve weaned it just down to, like, weed and mushrooms every once in a while.
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And how do the drugs affect the general, uh, like, anger problems?
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Like, what have you observed from your anecdotal evidence as the relationship between the two?
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I feel like if I m getting too high all the time, after a bit of that, I ll start to, uh, get a little more irritated with people.
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But for the most part, I do feel like, uh, the dabs kind of, like,
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numb me down from a lot of that extra stimulus.
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And I be hitting the gym all the time.
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That helps a lot.
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Good.
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Great.
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That s good.
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Well, where should we go from here?
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I guess I ll ask this like what
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And just maybe this is helpful for you to just say on here to me, but like what practical steps do you want to take?
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moving forward To like improve yourself and improve your life and improve these these issues that you re having Other than therapy, I definitely need to meditate more.
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Okay, that s good.
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I
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Like, that definitely helps a lot.
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I don t do it enough.
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Meditation s an interesting thing because I don t view meditation as, and I actually, I ve been very out of, like, I used to be like, alright, let me get 10 minutes in when I can, but then it becomes like a, just like a stupid fucking routine thing, right?
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Like it doesn t actually do anything.
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The whole idea of the meditation is creating mindfulness, especially when you fucking need it, right?
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Like when you re in the car and when you re pissed off, that s when you need it the most.
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And it should become an exci- and it should become an exciting thing for you.
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Similar to how you go to the gym and you see your progress and you see your body changing, and that s exciting for you and that s motivating for you, it s the same thing with your brain, right?
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Because you have these like, uh, um, innate, like, inherent first responses to things that are angry, like your road rage, and
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The more often that you go through the process of, okay, you re in your car, and someone does something that pisses you off, and you are mindful, and you see, you can observe that you re fucking pissed off, and then you take control of that, and you willfully silence it, and let it simmer down,
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Every time you do that intentionally, it s like lifting a weight and it gets a little bit easier and you feel good about yourself because you can actually observe that you are gaining a mastery over your emotions in the same way that when you go to the gym, you re improving your body.
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So that s, that s just like, that s mindfulness, right?
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Like next time you re, I mean, I would think about that next time that you feel triggered by something pissing you off, just take like a second and go, okay, I m pissed off right now.
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Let me like take back control of my life by not submitting to that emotion and by cooling the fuck down.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, no, you re totally.
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Right.
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That s actually a big part of Buddhism is like becoming aware of the problem or the suffering in the first place.
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Yeah.
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And when you re aware, you can kind of like step in and stop it or change it.
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And so that s why I m trying to do, you know, like breathing has been a big part of like keeping myself cool and calm, like social situation.
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Yeah.
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Breathing is cool.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Like,
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the one thing we always have to come back to.
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But I ll be so aware sometimes even in those mind states.
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It s like, I know I shouldn t be like that, but it s like, I don t care.
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But I appreciate the words of advice.
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I didn t really expect you to have a solution.
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This is something to talk about.
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It s cool that you called me.
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Yeah, well, I mean, it sounds like you re gonna be okay.
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It sounds like you re on an upward trajectory that will continue upward.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I think I ll be okay.
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What s your name again?
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John?
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Yeah, we ll call it John.
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John, any movie recommendations to leave us with?
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Oh man, I m so happy you asked that, because I m such a movie buff.
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To any psychedelics users,
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Take some acid and march Jacob s Ladder.
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Pretty crazy, it ll put you into an ego death.
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I guess I just watched Saltburn.
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That bathtub scene was pretty crazy.
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But, uh, you know, how about Hereditary?
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Alright, Jacob s Ladder, Saltburn, and Hereditary.
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That s Jon s hot movie list of 2024.
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Yes, sir.
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Take care, Jon.
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Thank you.
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Don t watch The Curse on Acid.
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It ll freak you out.
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Hello?
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Hi, what s your name?
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My name is ****.
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What s up?
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How s life?
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It s going.
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I m currently like two months pregnant.
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Interesting.
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How does that feel?
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Do you feel sick?
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Is that one of the pregnant things?
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Is that you feel sick?
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Yeah.
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That s been like the biggest problem is morning sickness.
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I m like literally on three medications.
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Oh my god, I m sorry.
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I m on three medications where I had to run outside, so I m not aggressive.
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Oh man.
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Oh, I m sorry, I made a pregnant woman run.
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Take a phone call.
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I feel bad.
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Uh, I m gonna go ahead and I actually, I called you because you texted me on the thing and you said that, um... Hey Lyle, I wanted to talk about how I unintentionally baby trapped somebody who hates me?
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Yeah.
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Okay, and this is and you also said we re expecting our second kid.
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So this is the second kid.
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Yeah.
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Okay, go ahead.
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Tell your story.
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But basically, I met this person online in like 2019.
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And I wasn t in a very good living situation.
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So he invited me to come see him.
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And I went like, at least five hours away from where I live to go meet this guy.
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And I ended up moving in with him like full time.
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literally like two weeks after that, which didn t seem like the best idea, but here we are.
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A year into that relationship, he really didn t want to be with me.
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And literally, like, right after he said that, I was pregnant.
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And I was just like, well, shit, because it was way too far along to do anything about it.
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And so, and this baby, so this baby, I assume, was was not planned?
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No, I thought that I was infertile and this person did too.
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mostly because he has a medical condition and I was told by a doctor that I was infertile.
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That s why you can t trust doctors.
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Yeah.
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This kid is now three years old, almost, and the same thing happened again.
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We were just like, you know, it took us almost a year to get pregnant with that first kid.
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Like what s the worst that could happen?
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And then lo and behold, the second kid, we were just like, damn,
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Definitely our fault, but he like constantly is just like, yeah, you baby trap me, blah, blah, blah.
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But wait, so I m confused.
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So you were dating this guy or you, you kind of got into this, this, this wild thing with this guy that you met online a few years ago.
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And, uh, he said he didn t want a relationship with you.
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And then right when he said that you found out you were pregnant with the first kid.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And then three years later, you re pregnant with another one of another kid by the same guy.
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Yeah.
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Now, when he said he didn t want a relationship with you, um, I guess what I m, I guess I m confused as to how you guys rekindled or what happened after that.
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Basically, I had gotten pregnant.
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And it s not like he was like, oh, don t go get an abortion.
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But personally, I don t like the idea.
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Like, I m OK with other people getting abortions and all that.
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I m perfectly fine with that.
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But personally, it just kind of like irks me.
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I m just like, oh, I don t really want to do that.
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And his family was very happy.
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He was very happy because he had tried to have kids before and he couldn t.
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So it was kind of like a
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A bad situation turned into a good situation, I guess.
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Hmm.
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Um, how old is this guy?
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Um, when we met, I was 17 and he was 18 or he was turning 19.
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Okay.
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And now I m 22 and he s 24.
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All right.
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Um, and is he still like in the, the baby s life?
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Yeah, we live together.
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Oh, so you live with this guy?
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Yeah.
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So when he says you baby trapped him, is he just joking?
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Well, no, because he was trying to break up with me and trying to get me to move out.
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And then I had a missed period, and I was really sick.
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And he was like, if you re not pregnant, blah, blah, blah, you got to leave by this day.
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And he was like, you got to leave by the end of January.
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And I figured out that I was pregnant on like January 1st, I think.
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So that s kind of the whole situation.
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He was like on the step of getting me to get the fuck out.
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And then that happened.
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So you guys are 18 and you have a baby, but he says he wants to break up with you.
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And, uh, do you guys just not break up?
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Like, I guess I m confused about whether or not you stayed together.
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We did stay together.
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Cause I was living with him.
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And again, I said, I was like five hours away from where I grew up.
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So I had moved five hours away to go be with him.
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And at that point I didn t really have anywhere to go.
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Back where I was from So me being pregnant.
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He s just like well I don t really want you to leave with the baby because I feel like that that wouldn t be great for the kid and He wanted the kid in his life.
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So mm-hmm and then this and then your friend you re pregnant right now Yeah, and is this kid was this kid planned or was this another accident?
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This one was definitely another accident Okay so I get what is
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What s the relationship between you and this guy?
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Are you guys together?
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Do you like each other even?
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What s the relationship?
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We re still together.
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We definitely have had a lot of ups and downs having to do with a lot of different things.
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Me growing up and him growing up kind of helped us
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come more together but the easiest way to say it is like he definitely still hates me like he he does dislike me quite a bit but we get along and you know we have a lot of common interest so it s again it s like a really weird situation do you really think this guy that you live with that you re raising a kid with that I guess is your boyfriend he hates you
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We definitely get into it a lot over like pretty stupid things.
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I had some pretty bad mental issues that I had not dealt with when I had moved in with him.
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So I think that s a little bit of it because I would have these like terrible panic attacks where I would lash out and get angry and all that kind of fun stuff.
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How is it living with him and raising this kid with him and dealing with your pregnancy with him?
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Like, are you do you guys have enough of a relationship together that s positive enough that you don t feel like completely miserable about it?
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Yeah, like, I don t feel miserable.
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He doesn t feel miserable.
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But there s definitely times where he just makes the point of like, you know, you kind of baby trapped me a little bit like I was trying to trying to move on with my life.
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But
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You go, you know, he loves his son and all that.
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That s why I don t know if I would.
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I don t know if I would say that you baby trapped him because it does take two people to make a baby.
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Yeah.
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Hmm.
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so what i mean just like a point and simple and you know uh a point and that is that s not a word i don t know why i said point and simple plain and simple what the fuck is point and simple um okay so i mean today present let s let s do this um
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And maybe you just wanted to come on and tell the story.
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But like, is there any like, is it is you said you weren t miserable.
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You said that you re how are you?
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How are you doing in this situation?
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Like, do you feel good?
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Do you feel are you are you happy about having the kids?
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Are you happy about life?
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Are you happy about the excited about the future?
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Like, how are you?
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How are you feeling about everything that you re this whole saga that you ve you ve ran us through?
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I m definitely happy.
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There is kind of like a little kicker to the story.
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When my son, like right before he had turned one, his mom, just to make a long story short, his mom found out that her husband was cheating.
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So they ended up having to move back to where they came from, which is like six states away.
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So I ended up having to go with them and move out of the state that I live in.
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So we ve all just kind of been
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in that part, like his mom s grandma s house, living in their living room.
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So I am excited.
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This is what I m trying to explain.
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I am excited, but we are not in a great living situation and we re trying to get out of it.
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But when that guy had cheated on his mom, he gave us an eviction notice so we can t get approved for any apartment in the state.
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That s like the biggest issue.
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like the only way.
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Let me let me let me let me understand this real quick.
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So your is your boyfriend?
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Do I call him your boyfriend?
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What do I call him?
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Oh, yeah, let s say boyfriend.
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Okay, so your boyfriend s mom was dating a guy who cheated on her.
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And so he evicted your boyfriend s mom.
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Yeah, and then everyone in the house because it was his house.
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And is your name and your boyfriend s name were on the lease of this house that is owned by the guy that your boyfriend s mom was dating?
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Yes.
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Well, my boyfriend s name was on the lease.
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But technically, since we had lived there, he put every single person s name
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That lived in the house had to be out by a certain date.
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So then we all ended up moving Is that even is that legal to just kick some is that even legal to just evict someone for no reason?
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Well, he gave us 30 days and I I don t even know like if it is legal Uh, maybe i m not looking at the chat at all because I can t really talk about the chat Yeah, the twitch chat is not where you go to for legal advice.
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So that s fine Okay, I was I was just gonna say maybe somebody would know if it s illegal
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No, they wouldn t.
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They wouldn t at all.
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OK, so where are you living now?
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We are still living with his his maternal grandparents, so his mom s mom.
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And she very much dislikes us.
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She loves her grandson.
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Yeah, that would be her great-grandson, actually.
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She loves her great-grandson.
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She actually doesn t know that I m pregnant with a second kid right now, so we re trying our hardest to move out as soon as possible before telling her.
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I m sorry you keep running into all these people who you feel like don t like you.
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Yeah, a lot of the people in his family don t specifically like me.
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There s been times where I ve eavesdropped when they ve been talking outside and they re just like, oh, she ruined his life, blah, blah, blah.
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But he, again, he just wanted kids because he has like a, he has diabetes.
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So he wasn t specifically considered fertile.
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They told him that he could probably couldn t have kids because of it.
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The whole lot.
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I have never heard of that in mind.
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I mean, I m not a doctor, but I ve never heard of that in my entire life, that diabetes leads to infertility.
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It s like something having to do with like, like sperm count.
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If you don t take care of your diabetes, it makes it a lot harder.
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And he did not take care of it.
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when we were living in the other state.
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So what I m hearing is that what I m hearing is something about Reese s Cups being a good form of birth control.
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I m going to make note of that.
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All right.
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So.
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Well, yeah, I mean, I ll just say this and I m not just blowing smoke out of your ass.
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You seem like you have been handling the drama of your life pretty well.
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Like in high spirits.
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There s been a couple of mental breakdowns and a little bit of alcoholism in between.
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So, okay, well, let s talk about this for a second.
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The alcoholism, are you still, is that still a thing, or is that kind of come and go?
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No.
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No, I had stopped drinking a while back.
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I was, like, this is a completely different story.
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The last thing that I had texted you was about my job.
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It wasn t specifically about drinking, but I, because of my job, I would literally drink every fucking day.
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Like, constantly.
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Yeah.
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Do you have a job?
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Does he have a job?
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He has a job.
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I do too, but it s kind of up in the air right now because there s a lot of people that need help in different parts of the city and they keep moving me around to different Domino s locations and it s not specifically the greatest because every store that I ve been to is really understaffed and fucked up.
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Do you and him have enough financial stability to like move out and get a place and raise a kid?
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Yes.
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More likely.
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Yes.
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Then no.
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Okay.
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Once we do move out, we won t have his, his family to help watch our kids.
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So one of us would be at home and one of us would be working, which I assume I d be the one at home.
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And is that like financially viable for him to go work and make enough money to support all those people while you take care of the kids?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, all right.
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So that s, I mean, that s, that s fantastic to hear.
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Cause that s, uh, um, you know, I mean, uh, it s, it s hard to find a fucking job that can support like a whole ass family, especially if he s only 24.
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Um, what s he do?
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What s he do for work?
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I m curious.
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Um, he works at a fast food burger place.
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I mean, that s great to hear that you guys are doing good financially Do are you I mean you sound like you re in a tough situation But again, it sounds like you re handling it pretty well Like you don t you re not sitting here like oh I feel trapped with this guy or I feel trapped with this thing Like are you are you enjoying being a mom?
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Are you enjoying that all that?
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Yeah Yeah, I m enjoying all that
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, okay.
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I mean, let me ask you this, right?
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And maybe, again, like I said, maybe you just wanted to call in to tell the story, but like, is there any aspect of any of this that, like, you want, like, anything else you want to talk through or, like, that you want perspective on?
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Or, like, how can I be of gecko service to you, if for anything other than just telling the story?
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It s okay if not.
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It s okay if you think I m fucking stupid, you don t want to hear what I have to say.
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Um, I was not 100% prepared.
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You don t have to be ready.
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It sounds like the answer is no, which is fine because I don t know anything about life.
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But, um, well, all right.
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You re doing okay.
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Just by the way, can I just say something to you?
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Because you keep saying like, I, your boyfriend, if he keeps saying, I don t know if he s joking and I don t know your guys  relationship and whatever, but, um, just for your own sake, does it make you feel bad when your boyfriend says you baby trapped him?
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A little bit, but I do understand.
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Cause again, he had told me like, you know, you haven t told us time to get out.
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And then all that happened.
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But he was definitely trying to get rid of me.
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And then he was like, Oh shit, a baby.
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And then he, he s still my boyfriend.
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He gave me a ring after that.
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And he s like, you know, I want both of us to be in this kid s life because he has divorced parents.
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So that s kind of the biggest part about of it about it is I feel like he just didn t want to ruin that kid s life from the get go.
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Well, um, next, next time your boyfriend tells you that you baby trapped and let them know that it takes two people to make a baby.
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Um, like just, I just don t, don t let that make you feel like shitty, you know?
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Cause you, you keep telling me that, uh, everyone in this you run into in this universe doesn t like you, but that s just, uh, this is not fair, you know?
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Yeah.
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Um, well, good luck.
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What, uh, when s the baby due?
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Oh my God.
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I feel really terrible about this.
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I already know the gender.
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It s a girl, right?
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And my first kid is a boy and they re due the same exact days.
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So I feel like this kid s going to be born like the same day or around the same day as my son.
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That s going to save you so much money on birthday parties.
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Yeah, I feel like he s gonna hold it against me for the rest of his life.
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He s gonna be like, oh, her birthday was better than mine, her presents were better than mine.
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You keep mentioning all these things that involve people being upset with you.
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And I hope you- I think it s just the anxiety.
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I hope you do that less.
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Yes.
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I do too.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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If you meet somebody online, do not immediately move in with them.
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That is my best advice.
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This is why we do this podcast, so that others can share their life experience and help inform the listeners.
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So thank you for sharing your story, and Ghek bless you for a thousand years.
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Ghek bless you too.
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Have a good night.
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Bye.
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Hello?
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Hey, what s up?
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Oh my gosh, bro.
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Bro, you like called instantly.
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Like I just texted.
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What s your name?
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My name, my name s Alex.
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Alex.
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How old are you, Alex?
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I m 20.
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Okay.
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Well, what s going on, Alex?
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What d you want to talk about today?
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, long time listener here.
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I ve been listening to you since, since you started basically, or you should stream on what was like Reddit or whatever.
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Um, yeah, yeah, this is kind of insane.
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I m not gonna lie.
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Everyone says on the podcast, but it s like damn.
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But yeah, um, yeah, I ve been listening for a while.
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And on the podcast, it says philosophy.
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I don t know if you did it on purpose.
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Or, um, yeah, it says philosophy podcast.
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And, um, you know, I m a philosopher.
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Technically, I mean, I m still a student, but I am a philosopher and
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you know, some of the stuff or some sometimes you just chat.
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I don t know if you know what I mean by that.
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But sometimes you just you just chat.
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Um, yeah, like, sometimes like you say, like, um, you know, I don t want to give advice.
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And then sometimes it s like either like bad philosophy, or it s like you re kind of sometimes you re spitting.
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But yeah, that s what I wanted to talk about.
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yeah what kind of uh oh yeah well yeah you text i called you because you texted in and you wanted to say uh you said i m a philosopher and i wanted to call you to tell you that you don t know what you re talking about yeah maybe i could have said it i was you know i m not gonna lie i was trying to say something to you know to get a call um but no i mean i i mean no no disrespect geck well here you are you
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have you have challenged me and therefore I call upon you to explain okay yeah so what I m listening to the podcast I don t know sometimes you talk about like life and death and you ll bring up like random philosophers or like yeah you ll just bring up like random philosophers and like you ll say their name you ll say a quote as it s like really profound and sometimes it s not and I mean like no disrespect like no disrespect
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Or like as a, you know, I study these, um, I guess I could tell you what I do.
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Well, hold on, but I don t, before you do that, before you do that, give me an example.
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Give you an example?
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Um, I can t remember like a exact.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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You got to come in hot.
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You got to come in with an example.
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You were, you did not come into this challenge prepared, my friend.
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You re right.
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You re right.
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Um, I guess, yeah, I should have, I should have pulled up some, um, some, some examples, but there was this one time I do remember your, it was, this was like, probably like last year, but, um, this guy was like going through hard times and you brought up, I don t remember, you brought up this book from this philosopher, like this pop philosopher, basically, which by that, I mean, he s, you know, like in the nineties, a whole bunch of like people thought like, you know, they knew stuff and they would just publish stuff.
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You brought him up, and I can t remember his name, but I remember you bought the book and I looked at the book And I was just like this is not this is not this is not philosophy no no no okay?
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What s your what s your name again?
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What s your name again?
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Alex if I could I d like to quote one of my favorite philosophers Plato who did once say oh
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If you re gonna come in hot, you need examples.
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Concrete examples.
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He did say that, okay?
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And you need to prove that he didn t say that, or else I m just gonna believe he did.
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Right?
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I mean, when you re talking about Plato, like, I read Plato, I study Plato, like, I just wanna know, like, what example, like, are you talking about, like, Plato and the Republic?
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Like, we could talk about, like, we could talk about philosophy.
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Sure, yeah, sure.
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Um... I think it was Plato who once said, uh... He once said,
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You should eat at a deficit of 500 calories if you want to try to lose weight What else did he say Oh Plato here s what he said he said I m I
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He said, my uncle works at Nintendo, and he told me that if you swim to a certain part in Peach s Garden in Super Mario 64, and you mash A a lot when you re in that part, you can unlock Luigi.
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That s something that Plato said.
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I don t know if you studied Plato s discovery of the unlocking of Luigi in Super Mario 64.
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Maybe you re you know what you know what okay?
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Hold on.
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I actually am wrong about that That was Socrates who said who found out how to unlock Luigi in Super Mario 64 No, no you might yeah, you might you might actually be talking now.
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I mean, okay, right.
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This is the main reason Yeah, this is the main reason I wanted to talk to you because I feel like I
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Like, maybe you should change the podcast on Spotify, or at least on Spotify, it says, uh, philosophy, but like, anyone could talk, like, you know, I mean, anyone could say opinions, but that doesn t necessarily mean that they re, um, I m sounding like such like a, uh, like a, like elitist, like, like asshole right now.
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I m trying not to, I promise.
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Um, but like, I don t know, like anyone, like anyone can go on Twitter.
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Anyone could do like, say this and that.
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I mean, you never claimed to be a philosopher, but um... It s true.
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No, actually, I do, I think anyone can be a philosopher.
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What are you talking about?
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Socrates was just a guy, alright?
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He was a guy, and he thought about stuff, and he said things, and people were like, oh, the things that you re saying are cool.
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And they thought that his things were so cool that he said that you can now spend $200,000 to go study what he said because what he said was that cool.
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But that doesn t mean that he, you know, it s not science, you know?
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I mean, science is like there is and there isn t, but philosophy, you can totally just say stuff.
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Yeah, but there s a structure to it, you know?
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Okay, yeah, but who created that structure?
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Who created it?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that s how it is.
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I actually, I have an answer to this, Alex.
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I know who created it.
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Who?
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Some fucking guy.
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And I m some fucking guy too.
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And you re some fucking guy and everyone listening to this is some fucking guy.
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So they can all go create some fucking whatever bullshit, whatever thing too.
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And there we go.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I guess, I guess I was just a little, um, I guess a little like, like, damn, like, like, like, you know, like, damn, like, it s just philosophy.
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I don t understand.
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But I mean, you never did claim to be a philosopher.
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I know you don t claim.
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You know what?
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I, you know what I did, you know what I didn t, but now I m going to start.
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You re right.
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I think you should.
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Um, well thank you, this was, you know what, I gotta say this Alex, and this is the word I wanna use, this conversation was enlightening for me.
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Was it?
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It was, it was, it reinforced, you came in here, I think, I reinforced I think the ideas that um, that I, that I want, I don t even know what I m saying.
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This is, this is it, right?
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You can just... Do you think Socrates would have had a podcast where he just, like, said shit?
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You know?
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Without even, like... Like, like what I... Like, like, sometimes... The cool, the cool thing about having a podcast is you can, like, start a sentence.
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You can just start talking and try, like, saying a point.
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And then at some point, when you realize that you actually don t have a point, you can just kind of, like... Alex, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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No, I mean, yes, yes, yeah, I do.
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I just want to say, you know, like, peace and love and prosperity and thank you, Geck.
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Yeah, I ve been listening for a while now and I just, I ve always, I ve tried to call him before and I just, you know, I got in and thank you.
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Hey, as Aristotle said, stay stoned, bitches.
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But he s not really an expert