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 and people, and the light usually reflects back, and you become celebrated as well.
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So I think, I've just said, how can I serve others and focus on sharing their message, and then, you know, good things are gonna happen.
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I think that's a big part of the success, even yours, Lewis, is sometimes, you know, if you don't have that humility to say, and I'll be the first to say, I don't know it all.
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I'm learning every day, I'm learning from you and others, but I think having that humility to say, what can I learn from others, and,
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 I don't know, I think that's what allows you to grow and come up higher.
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But I see that in you and I can see, in one sense, can God trust you with more success?
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I'm asking the question for all of us.
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Can God trust me with more success?
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Am I gonna handle the influence properly?
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Am I gonna still be good to people?
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Am I gonna still stay humble and keep growing and keep learning and keep using the influence for good?
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I think you've proven that you can.
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I think that's why you continue to rise higher.
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 I appreciate that.
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And I love how you said you tried to be like your dad, which essentially you tried to be a different identity for four or five months.
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And it's hard to have full confidence when we're living someone else's identity.
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 How important is shaping our own identity when we're not confident with who we are?
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How do we learn to build confidence and shape our identity, or how should we be thinking about identity in general?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Let me think about that, Lewis.
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I think part of it is, you know,
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 looking down deep and being comfortable with who you are and what you have to offer.
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I think maybe get off course a little bit, but not discounting yourself, not seeing somebody that's successful and saying, well, I'm so much less than that I can never be that.
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And I think that's, maybe this will help some, but there was a time
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 Lewis, that I saw my dad and he was such a powerful speaker.
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People loved him and he commanded the audience and all that.
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And even off camera and off the pulpit, he was great.
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And in a sense, sometimes that would intimidate me.
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Really?
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And I think that's probably why I shrunk back for 17 years.
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I don't think it was the right time, but I used to think, my dad's so great.
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Why would anybody want to hear from me?
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 And so I do think that we can take it the wrong sense and let it diminish us.
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So I had to come back to say, and especially when my dad died, that, you know what, I have something to offer.
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I've been made in the image of God.
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I have seeds of greatness like you talk about.
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So I think a big part of it too is, you know, keep the right recording playing in our mind.
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I know you talk about the inner dialogue, and I think so many times it's negative.
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It's just,
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 I think I talked about the beginning, I'm not as talented as my father, never been to seminary, and who's going to listen to me?
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And I think just in general, it can be just demeaning thoughts toward ourselves.
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If we can change that recording, not in arrogance, but it should be saying, I'm blessed.
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 I'm prosperous, I'm talented, creative, disciplined, focused, motivated, equipped, empowered, valuable, a masterpiece.
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And again, I don't mean in an arrogant sense, but you need to be positive towards yourself.
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And I think that's how you can...
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 tap into your identity and step up to who you're made to be.
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Yeah, in the personal development world, they call these mantras.
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You know, what's the thing you're gonna look in the mirror and say to yourself, or when you're going through a struggling self-doubt moment, what's the word or phrase that you wanna repeat to get you out of that negative space?
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What happens when we stay in a negative, ruminating space of self-doubt, ego, comparison?
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What happens to our soul?
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 Yeah, I think it just limits us.
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It keeps the greatness from coming out.
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Sometimes I think it's natural to us.
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I've talked to a lot of people.
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I grew up very positive.
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My parents were positive and joy you can do anything.
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They were loving and kind.
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 Well, it was new to me a while, you know, years ago that not everybody grew up like that.
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And so their natural recording is, you're not good enough, and we'll never be successful, and we can't break these addictions, and it's just a negative thing.
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And when you don't realize
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 You know, I guess the thought would be, pay attention to what's playing in your mind.
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What are your thoughts towards yourself?
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What comes naturally?
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Maybe it's even subconsciously.
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I think sometimes it's negative, and that's what's limiting us from having good relationships, building big businesses, and living happy and healthy.
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It's just, my dad used to say this, and I feel like it could tie in.
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He said, you'll never rise any higher than the way you see yourself.
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 And I think sometimes we see ourselves, well, you know what, I see Louis great, but I don't see myself doing that, or I don't see myself, you know, having a big church.
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I don't see myself successful or paying off my house, or maybe it's I don't see myself ever breaking this addiction, or I just live with this depression, and you gotta get a right image on the insides, and I see myself healthy, strong, successful, blessed, helping other people.
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Get that vision on the inside.
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 Does Joel Osteen have any fears?
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I'm curious.
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It seems like life is so good, you're so grateful, you're blessed, you come from a service mindset, you live in service, you've got a great marriage and family.
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 Do you ever have fears?
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And if so, how do you handle fear that comes your way?
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Yeah, I think fear comes to us all.
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I'm trying to think what I fear.
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I probably don't couch it as fear, but more like there's things that concern me, concern me.
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 I don't know, maybe the concern, but I just handle it to going back to times we all feel pressured or overwhelmed, or this problem is not going to work out, or hey, the pandemic, are people going to still support the ministry, what if we can't pay our bills, and all that stuff like other people.
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I just try to come back to say, okay, God,
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 you're on the throne, you're in control, this is not a surprise to you, so I do my best to not let the fear live in my mind.
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Maybe this is too religious type stuff, but I always say this, don't magnify your problem, magnify God.
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In other words, we can say, oh man, how's this gonna work out, this medical report, this situation, or you can say, okay God, you're in control, you're on the throne, you're directing my steps, and I know that's coming from a place of faith and other people,
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 may not see it like that, but I think you can't, again, I say it this way, it takes the same amount of energy to believe as it does to worry, as it does to live in fear.
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So in other words, I can think, what's gonna happen?
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I'm afraid about this medical report, or I'm afraid of this other situation, verse, okay, God, you're in control, I'm well able, I can handle this, it's going to work out.
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I think you have to use your energy to believe.
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 Yeah, and you talk about protecting your peace and really making sure your thoughts and your feelings and your emotional energy helps you stay in a peaceful state because it's hard to grow the seeds of greatness from stress and worry and ego and envy, right?
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It is.
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 when you have a peace, calm environment, really the roots can dig in deeper, you can grow higher, isn't that correct?
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Yes, it's so good, that's exactly right.
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And we're not saying that you can control your circumstances, because things come against us, but I think we, I know we can control what we allow to get in us.
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And I think that a place of peace is a place of power.
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It's kind of like, you know,
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 the winds and the waves may be strong all around you, but when you can be settled in your heart, you know, even when my father passed, yeah, I was mourning, and it was kind of chaotic there, but it was kind of odd, Louis, down deep in here, I just, I felt a peace.
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Something was saying everything's gonna work out, it's gonna be, you know, I just felt a peace, a kind of rest on the inside, and so I think living out of that place is important, because I think,
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 We're losing energy, and you said it beautifully.
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You can't develop your potential with stress and worry, because really, there's always something to be worried about.
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There's always something to be stressed out.
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And you've heard that saying, I see if I can quote it, a ship doesn't sink because of the water all around it.
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 It sinks only if the water gets in it.
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So a ship can be in an ocean.
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So let's say the ocean is fear, worry, pandemic, people coming against us.
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You're not going to sink because that's around you.
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But if you let it get in you, if you start saying, oh man, listen to what they're saying.
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Oh man, the pandemic.
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And what about my child?
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How's he going to get through fifth grade?
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And there's just so much.
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It's powerful when you're able to stay in peace.
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And really, again, from my point of view, when you're in peace, you're saying, God, I trust you.
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 I may not understand it.
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I'm not saying the circumstances are good, but I can be good in here Yeah, I've heard you you mentioned how when someone comes to you with a problem and they want to start sharing all the details you say okay, just give me the 22nd cliff note version not the 20-minute gossip
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 elaborate story.
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Is that true?
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You do that with pretty much every area of your life?
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If someone's bringing their worries and concerns, or someone's trying to read a negative review to you, you're just like, okay, I heard a few seconds, that's all I need to know, and you don't lean into the rest of it?
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I do my best.
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Again, I want to be caring and concerning.
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If people want to share something, I don't try to cut them off, but I do think the principle is that, you know what?
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 I wouldn't spend 20 minutes talking about the problem and all that.
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I'll tell Victoria often, you know, give me the 30-second version.
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Something's wrong.
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Okay, this is what happened, but I don't want to hear all the details, especially if it's something negative about myself.
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I don't need to hear that.
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Okay, they don't like you.
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Okay, that's good.
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 But yeah, I just think it's important to keep your spirit, your heart, your inner person peaceful, calm, positive, hopeful, and you can't allow all this in.
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And I think even now, Lewis, man, with all the negative news, I just, I like to watch the news, but after about 20 minutes, you know, I kid Victoria, because she'll go watch the news for two or three hours, and then she comes out like a different person.
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I say, Victoria, you're stressed, you're upset, you're mad at the world.
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 I'm exaggerating a little bit.
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But I say, Victoria, turn that off.
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Let's go for a walk.
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Get your news and stuff.
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But I just think it's important.
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Maybe we don't realize as much as we should of how what we're putting in, you can't put in negative all day and see those seeds of greatness.
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And I think that's why people are drawn to your podcast and to your work because it's inspiring people.
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You've got enough negative news.
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And I'm not saying, you know, deny the circumstances and hide your head in the sand.
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I want to know what's going on.
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 Man, I don't want all that negative coming to me.
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Yeah, it's interesting, my dad used to, when we were growing up, we'd watch sports together and he would turn the commercials off any time there was, in his mind, a negative commercial or a thought that tried to kind of bleed into your soul of medicine commercials or you're gonna get sick or you're dying.
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He was like, just turn this off, because we don't need to feed our mind that we're gonna get sick.
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Let's focus on health and abundance and flourishing.
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 You mentioned abundance a moment ago, emotionally.
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I'm curious about your thoughts on creating just opportunities, financial abundance, relational abundance in your life.
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How does one think abundantly in terms of all these buckets of their life?
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Yeah, I think it's, you know, I call it taking the limits off and so.
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 I think you have to go back to, you know, check your thinking.
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Are there limiting thoughts or restricting mindsets that are keeping you from going further?
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And if I can go back to my father raising the Great Depression, you know, my grandparents were good people.
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I didn't know them real well because they were older, but just good loving people.
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 But they had a limited mentality.
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They just thought, you know, we lost everything in the Great Depression.
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They worked on a farm.
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And so my dad, at 17, gave his life to Christ.
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He felt something big in him all of a sudden.
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He felt like he had something to offer the world.
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At 17, no money, no education.
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 he got the Christmas basket at school because they were the poorest family.
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So, you know, it was statistically, he should have just kind of faded away.
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But he told my grandparents that he wanted to be a come up minister and go out and start pastoring.
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And they loved him.
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But they said, John, all you know how to do is work on the farm.
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You're going to get out there and fail.
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You better not leave.
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And they were doing that out of love.
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But if my father would have let that negative mentality, I call it a poverty mentality.
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They had a poverty mentality.
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This is just, this is our lot in life.
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 We're not bad people, and we're not against wealth, we're just not going to have anything.
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But if my father would have kept that, I wouldn't be here today.
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So my dad didn't have any money, but at 17 he had to hitchhike, and he went and started speaking in prisons and senior citizens' homes, and doors opened up, and one thing led to another.
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 I say this, he broke a curse of poverty off of our family.
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And it was a mindset.
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And it was just a mindset.
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And I get knocked, because people say I'm trying to tell people they're going to be rich.
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I'm not saying that.
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Prosperity to me is great relationships.
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It's health in your body.
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It's having money to pay your bills, to fulfill your destiny, to be a blessing to others.
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And I don't make any
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 I'm not against, God's not against people having wealth and money if you're using it for the right purposes.
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And I think there's a mentality, especially growing up in a church environment where you're supposed to be poor and defeated to show that you're humble, but that's not the way I read the scripture.
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So I think, getting back to the question, is you have to take limits off of, you know, what are these
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 limiting mindsets that have even been passed down.
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And maybe it's just, hey, everybody in my family gets divorced, can't have abundance in relationships, or we all struggle with these addictions, it's just who we are, or we'll never live in a nice neighborhood and have enough to help others, because I think you have to get rid of that.
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Say, you know what, I'm the one to break the, I don't know if you'd call it a curse, I'm the one to break the limited mindset.
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And I think you have to break it in your thinking first,
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 And then I believe it opens the door to say, okay, maybe I can start that business.
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Or maybe I can, this marriage can last.
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Or like my dad, just, you know, those doors begin to open when he took the limits off.
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I mean, your dad was a great model.
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He had a foundation, but he really didn't, he wasn't out there preaching to
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 millions of people every week like you're doing.
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You didn't have the largest congregation in the world.
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He wasn't, you know, doing the things you're doing.
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Did you have a model that you got to witness someone else doing this where you could see it and then see yourself potentially doing it one day?
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Or how does someone see something in their mind first if they don't have the environment that shows it's possible?
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 I think, I don't know if I had... It's amazing how you've just created this abundance in your life, health, relationships, wealth, opportunities, without having a model.
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Yeah, I really didn't, because nobody had taken it like a compact center, but I don't know, I think that some of that was just, it was rising up in me that I knew that we were created to do something.
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But I think, Lewis, an important thing is to get around people that have what you want, the joy, the peace, the relationships.
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 to be mentored and just to get in the environment.
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I have a friend that was just living in an apartment, didn't have hardly money for gas to go to work and all this, just years ago when he was young.
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But he came out of the environment of
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 his family didn't have much, and he used to drive to a parking lot close to a big hotel down the road here, and he would just go into that lobby, you know, go to the hotel lobby for free, and he said, I'd just go in there and dream.
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He said, I couldn't afford the parking, I'd have to park out in the street, but I'd just go in there and I'd dream, and I'd look around, and I'd think, oh, I see abundance, I see success, I see, you know, he called it God's favor, but he kinda got in that environment, and I think,
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 I think, you know, in one sense, you can adapt to your environment.
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You can adapt to a negative environment.
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You can adapt to a limited environment.
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So why not adapt to saying, you know what, I want to be around people that inspire me, that are doing better than me, that maybe have what I want.
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And I think that helps you to, you've got to be exposed to it.
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Absolutely.
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I think sometimes, I had a friend that, you know, he had never been out of a
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 You know, he lived in like the inner city, just gangs and violence.
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And he told how, you know, up to 20 years old, he had never been out of a five-mile radius.
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And he thought the whole world was like that.
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And he said, my goodness, when I went to the city, you know, the big city, and I saw the skyscrapers, then I went and saw other people aren't killing each other.
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Other people aren't...
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 doing drugs every day, just a little bit of exposure to say, you know what?
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I can live like this.
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I was meant for more.
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My dad tells a story that's kind of corny, but it's funny, but it's about this frog.
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He was born at the bottom of this well.
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 And, you know, every day he played in the water at the bottom of the well and all that.
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One day he looked up and he saw the light.
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And he went up and he looked over the corner and he saw a lake.
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And he thought he had all the water in the well there.
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He saw this lake and then he hopped a little further and he saw a pond, or anyway, he ended up, he hopped a little further and he saw an ocean.
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Well, his thing was, I thought I had it all at the bottom of that well.
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He was happy, in a sense, but
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 I just wonder how many of us are that frog thinking that we have it all because this is how we were raised.
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But man, you get out and you say, oh man, there's oceans of favor and abundance and joy and peace that we can be enjoying.
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Yeah.
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My dad, I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and my dad, we didn't have a lot of money growing up.
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He started to create more financial wealth for himself when I was older.
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So I lived in a small town in Delaware, Ohio, very small town.
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Didn't really get out much until I was about 13.
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 And he wanted to expose us to the world.
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So we had exchange students live with us from all over the world, seven different exchange students from different countries that would come with their language, their culture, their point of view, their environment, their food and everything.
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And it was cool to witness the world in my own little well.
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So it's like find the ways by subscribing to your podcast or getting books like this, find ways to create an environment even if you can't get out.
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 of your own small town right now.
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There's ways with the internet to create an environment of seeing other things, which is cool.
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I love what your dad did.
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What a great thing.
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It was fun.
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So I've got two final questions for you before I go into those.
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You have so many amazing books.
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The latest one, You Are Stronger Than You Think.
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Unleash the power to go bigger, go bold, and go beyond what limits you.
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It's all about
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 waking up to your greatness, which I'm all about.
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So you have an incredible message here.
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I want people to get a few copies of this book, give it to a friend or two, buy it for a family member.
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The thing I love about the way you write, it works well for me.
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 Yeah, it's hard for me to read a lot.
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So you use simple analogies simple stories that I can connect with They're quick reads and they get right to the point of like how to step up So I love the way you create your content.
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Your podcast is a It's such a staple for so many people around the world.
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So if people haven't subscribed go subscribe to the podcast You're also I think serious serious xm.
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It's 24 7 your message is out there, right?
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What's the channel on serious 128?
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 128, so any moment you're feeling insecure or doubting yourself, go to channel 128.
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Your website, as well, has everything.
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You're massive on social media, Joel Osteen, but joelosteen.com's got all the stuff about coming to see you in church, in Houston, and all this stuff, right?
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Yes, that's right.
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Yeah, thanks, Louis, thank you.
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You don't have to do all that.
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Thank you.
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Of course, of course.
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Well, people need to know.
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People need to be empowered, in my opinion.
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You've got a great way of reaching people and connecting to people's hearts.
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 that's different than me.
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And so I think people need to be aware of this.
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And I love listening to your stuff and I think people should at least check it out.
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If they have never heard about you, at least check out one 30 minute podcast.
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Just click on one of them and see what they think.
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So I think they'll love it.
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These final two questions are questions I ask people.
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Is there anything else I should mention about this or where people can go to get more?
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No, it's good, it's good, thank you.
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Okay, of course.
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The final two questions.
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 This one is called The Three Truths.
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So I ask this hypothetical question at the end with every guest.
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So imagine it's your last day on this earth many years away and you live as long as you want to live and you accomplish your goals and your dreams and you keep serving the world and you have great relationships, all that.
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 But it's the last day, and you gotta turn the lights off in this world.
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And for whatever reason, hypothetical scenario, all of your written work, your videos, your content has to go somewhere else.
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So we don't have access to your content anymore, unfortunately.
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Hypothetical.
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But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world.
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Three things you know to be true that you would share with the world as your message.
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And this is all we would have of your message.
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What would you say would be those three truths?
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Those three truths, well I'm gonna make it good, Lewis.
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 I think first off is honor God with your life.
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Be a person of faith.
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Keep Him first place.
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I think the second thing would be stay positive.
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Stay hopeful.
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Stay grateful.
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Keep that attitude of faith.
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 And the last thing I would say, be a blessing.
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Lift up other people.
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Lift the fallen, help the hurting.
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That's in a very short nutshell.
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That's beautiful, man.
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I love those.
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Honor God, stay positive, and be a blessing.
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Yeah.
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That's powerful.
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That's what I'd want to be known for.
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 That's powerful.
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Before I ask the final question, Joel, I want to acknowledge you.
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You know, when you walked in here, I was just so glad to see you and meet you because we've been, you know, trying to make this happen for a couple of years.
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I know my team's been connecting with your team.
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I've been trying to see when am I doing a speech in Houston so I can come see you and you happen to be here for the book tours, which is great.
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 And I just want to acknowledge you for the gift you are in the world, for the way you continue to show up.
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You continue to rise above negativity, nasty things that might be said about you.
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You continue to come from a service mentality.
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You use your gift to create something that can help other people.
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 Whether it be through your books or your sermons or your talks or your events, you're serving people.
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And for me, that's an inspiration, that you keep showing up consistently to serve.
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You don't have to.
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You could stop and say, you know, I've done my part, but you keep showing up and serving.
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And I think that's, for me, I really acknowledge you for that.
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And it's an inspiring thing to watch.
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And I'd love to watch you sometime in person.
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 Down in Houston.
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So hopefully want to come down next we can hang out and play some tennis.
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We're both not that good So hopefully we can match each other.
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Well Thanks for saying that of course, of course, thank you the final question.
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What is your definition of greatness?
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 My definition of greatness would be becoming all that God created you to be.
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I think greatness is different for each one of us, but it's reaching your full potential, just becoming what God created you to be, taking the limits off of yourself and stepping up.
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There you go.
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Joel, thank you so much, man.
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Appreciate you.
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Thanks, Lewis.
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Awesome to see you.
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 I hope you enjoyed this episode with Joel Osteen and I just loved getting to know him more.
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I loved hearing his story and quite frankly, I'm so used to hearing him speak on stage and just be so on it with his message.
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You know, beforehand I was talking with him, he was like, you know, I write down all of my sermons and I memorize them.
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 I work throughout the week to really memorize them so I can deliver them and be as effective as possible as getting the message out there to people when they're watching me live or live streamed across the world.
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He's got one of the largest congregations in the world, the largest churches in the world.
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So I just thought it was so impressive how he delivers his message.
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I said, you know, you could give a masterclass on the way you communicate and how effective you communicate on stage in front of massive audiences.
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 And so for me, it was fun to hear him go off the cuff and to answer questions and say things like, you know, I'm not sure and I'm still figuring things out and show some vulnerabilities in this interview.
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So if you enjoyed this interview, make sure to leave a comment below.
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And if you want more of me and Joel, then just type in yes below that you want more.
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And I want to kind of break down what I learned from this episode with you about.
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 Some of the things he shared and related to my life and my lessons as well.
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So the biggest takeaways from me for speaking with Joel about overcoming self-doubt and negative thoughts, you know, I've learned strategies to kind of overcome self-doubt and negative thoughts for myself.
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When I was growing up, I had a lot of negative thoughts.
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I would say things to myself internally.
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I would say things out loud.
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 And it's tough because anytime you add I am, whatever sentence you add after that, whether it's positive or negative, you really start to manifest that in your life.
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So I'm an idiot.
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I'm stupid.
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I'll never be enough.
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I'm too small.
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I'm too short.
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I'm not talented.
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When you start saying these things to yourself, you really start to manifest this.
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 in the physical world.
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And so this is something that Joel was talking about.
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This was his dad's church.
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This wasn't his vision.
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It wasn't his dream.
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It wasn't his life.
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But he really, later, once his dad died, then he had the opportunity to say, you know what?
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I'm being called into this.
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And sometimes there's a season when we feel more confident in our life and a timing in our life
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 to lean into these things and other seasons that are not for us.
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So maybe if you're feeling insecure or doubting something it's because it's not the right season.
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Maybe it is the right season but that self-doubt and that insecurity is just holding you back and you've got to overcome it.
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One of the things I loved what he was talking about is really surrounding yourself with people who aren't going to speak negativity into your life.
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He says he stops people once he says, when they start telling him about
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 the negative reviews or what people behind his back are saying negative about him.
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He doesn't want that to come into his mind and in his heart and his soul.
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So he's aware of it, but then he doesn't take on all the details.
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I think that's important, not to be wrapped up in gossip, not to be wrapped up in gossipy news.
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Like, know the facts.
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Know the facts of what's happening in the world.
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Know the facts of what's happening to your body and to your friends and family, but don't go into the story and the details in the juicy gossip.
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 That doesn't support you in your health, in your dreams.
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Another thing you talked about is this cup.
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Imagine having a cup full of water every single day.
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And the water is emotional energy, emotional fitness.
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In every interaction you have with a human being that has gossip, stress, negativity, manipulation.
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 fear, frustration in the conversation, then you lose some of that water and it goes down and down and down.
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In other words, if you're having those conversations all in the morning and then it's noon, you've got no more emotional energy.
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And I like that analogy that he shared there.
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So make sure you're stopping it so you have a full cup.
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 that you can keep yourself hydrated and not lose it all and not be pouring it all out on other people when they're bringing negativity to your life.
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So I really like that analogy to make sure that you're constantly guarding your heart of negative thoughts, negative emotions that may be trying to come your way from peers, family, the media, news, coworkers, and really just say, okay, thanks for sharing the facts and move on towards
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 your goal towards saying something positive and shifting the conversations.
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That's one thing I really liked in the approach that I would take there.
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You know I was trying to connect with Joel for many years.
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I think it's fascinating what he's built.
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I think it's amazing the career he's built and how he's built it on service.
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And it's funny because you know sometimes we want something right away.
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I think I tried to book Joel
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 a few years back and we never got the timing right.
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Then the pandemic hit.
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He wasn't traveling to LA, I wasn't traveling to Houston where he's based.
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I didn't want to do it over Zoom with him because I really wanted to do it in person and meet him in person.
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And so sometimes the things we want in life will come to us when we are patient and we are playing the long game.
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Sometimes we want things right now and again, maybe it is the time to do something right now.
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 But the more consistent you are in your life and the more consistent I've been, the more opportunities keep coming to me.
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The bigger guests that we have on our show keep coming to us the longer we stick around.
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When I launched first year, first two years, people like Joel, it wouldn't have been as interesting for him to be on this show.
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Now when we met in person and in this episode, he's saying, I've been a fan.
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I've been seeing what you're up to.
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It's amazing to see what you've created and how you've built this.
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 He wouldn't have said that the first six months, the first two years, the first three or four years.
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He maybe didn't even know about it.
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The longer I've been consistent, the more I keep showing up, the more patient I am, while also taking massive action, more great things come our way, right?
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And that's what I want to say to you.
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You may want something to happen right now.
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You may want this big goal to happen right now.
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 Maybe you're not ready.
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Maybe you still need to acquire some skills or maybe you're not emotionally equipped to handle the pressure that will come your way with these big clients or big opportunities or the press that could potentially come your way.
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Maybe you're not trained enough or skilled enough.
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You just need a little bit more time.
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So keep playing the long game towards your goals.
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Keep being patient.
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That's what I'd say for you there.
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 Also, Joel had to realize that as he started to put himself out there and step into his greatness, into his gift, this wasn't his original dream, but he stepped into it after his dad passed away and said, I'm going to try to make something of this.
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I'm going to try to be of service to this community and then grow this community.
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 He wanted everyone to like him, and not everyone loves him.
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There's a lot of people that are big fans of him.
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He's got one of the biggest churches in the world, but there are also some people in the world that don't like him, that don't agree with him, and for whatever reason, they're not a fan.
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 He he shared that this, you know kind of 25 25 25 25 rule He's like 25 perceivable 25% of people are gonna love you no matter what they're just gonna fall in love with you You can do no wrong and they'll still love you, you know 25% of people You know kind of like you and maybe they'll fall in love with you more and more over time but they'd like you and then there's 25% of people that aren't sure and They could not like you
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 at one point.
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They could be persuaded either way.
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And then there's another 25% of people that are just not going to like you.
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You could mow their lawn every single day.
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You could make them food every day.
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You could give them money every day.
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They're still not going to like you.
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And if we can understand this kind of
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 really approach the life of how really there's going to be a lot of people that may like you and some people that aren't going to like you but there are certain people you can never do enough for.
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It doesn't matter what you do, they still won't like you.
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And I think that was really hard for me in the first probably five, six years of my career because I wanted everyone to like me.
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I was like I'm a nice guy.
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I care about people.
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I feel like I'm showing up for people.
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I'm working hard.
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Why would someone not like me?
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 You know, why would I ever do anything to hurt someone?
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It's not my intention.
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And I remember something specific.
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 I had an episode come out, this must have been like five years ago.
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I had an episode come out and someone left a really nasty comment on my blog, which is essentially like you're walking into my home and you've got muddy shoes and you're just wiping your muddy shoes all over my carpet and jumping on my couch and screaming at me in my own home.
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This is my blog, this is my site, this is my content.
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Someone's coming to my home and wiping their dirty shoes all over my carpet and screaming at me.
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 And I remember defending myself, like writing this really long reply and response and defending myself and kind of getting frustrated back.
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And a coach of mine, his name is Chris Lee, who's been on this podcast many times, he calls me, you know, later that day he sees this reply on my site and he calls me and he says,
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 What are you doing?
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Never reply like this.
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He's like, you're just wasting your emotional energy trying to convince someone to like you who will never like you.
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And what you're trying to do is not going to like use that energy on people that do like you.
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 Use that energy on helping those people that are already bought in, already inspired by your message.
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Don't try to convince someone who's attacking you to start liking you.
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That energy is going to drain your energy throughout the day.
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It's going to hold you back from helping more people.
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And there are just some people that no matter what you do, what you say, they just look at you and they have a judgment.
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They're just not going to listen to you.
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They're not going to care what you have to say.
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And you just have to be okay with that.
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 And this is kind of part of life.
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The biggest leaders in the world, you can mention all these massive names and there are going to be a lot of people that love them and there are going to be some people that for whatever reason will find something to not like about them.
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 So, I think his examples and his information about that inspires me because it continues to remind me as our platform grows and expands here, you can see on the YouTube comments below that there's going to be a lot of negative comments, a lot of great comments.
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You'll just see it below here.
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 And to not respond, to not give your emotional energy to someone else who is hiding behind a computer and criticizing.
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It's not worth your time.
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So focus your energy on who are the people that do like me?
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Who are the people that care about me in my life, my friends, my family?
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How can I give more to those people?
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And just learn to not let this affect you.
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It's hard to do in the beginning, at least it was for me.
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 But it was extremely freeing when I learned to let go and just understand this is part of life.
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People aren't going to like you.
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I was talking to Joel about imposter syndrome and if he ever had that and how he overcame it.
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I want to talk about myself as well.
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You know Joel talked about when he first started he didn't go to seminary school.
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He was small.
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He was quiet.
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He was shy.
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He never cared about speaking publicly in front of other people.
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He was more behind the scenes.
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He had that imposter syndrome.
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 But something was kind of calling him.
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He kept pointing here and saying something was pulling me forward and calling me when the season was right.
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It wasn't calling him before for many years.
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When the season came that's when he started to feel that pull.
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For me I've definitely felt it.
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Earlier in my career I felt it a lot.
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Certain times in my career now I feel it.
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 The bigger the stage, the bigger the opportunity, I still ask myself like wow, 10 years ago this would have never been possible for me.
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So if I go back and think to myself man, my younger self would think this is crazy, this is a dream, this is like they've got the wrong guy.
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 But then I reflect back on how much I've actually created, how many skills I've learned, how many mistakes and adversities I've overcome in the past decade, and how much we've grown.
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And I think, wow, actually we've done some amazing things.
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I am in the right place.
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So that's one approach that I do.
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Another approach is instead of thinking like, I don't belong here, I go into a place of
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 What do people need in this moment?
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Whether this is a room or a conference or an interview, how can I be of service to this person?
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Maybe they're so much bigger than me.
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Maybe they have such a bigger business or so much more credibility or whatever it is, a bigger platform.
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And I'm saying to myself why would they want to sit and have a conversation with me?
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Why are they having me speak at this event?
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 If I do that, I just think about, well, there's a uniqueness about me that no one else has.
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And Joel talked about that.
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We're all one of a kind.
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There's something that I have that no one out of 8 billion people have.
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And so that is meaningful.
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So think of how can you share your message, your talents, your gifts with this person in front of you, this platform, this community.
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 in a way that only you can offer that gift.
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There might be people smarter, more talented, more successful, better looking, more financially abundant than you, but what is the gift that you can bring?
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Is it your charm, your charisma, your energy, your passion, your love, your joy?
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 your perspective, your experience.
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How can you package that information and then share it in a unique way?
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I think Joel talked about that as well.
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He said, I was not as big a personality as my dad.
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I felt like an imposter because my dad had this larger than life personality.
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I was shy.
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I was small.
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I didn't go to school for this.
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I didn't have the credibility.
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 But he said, you know, I started being me on stage.
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I started being me in front of this audience.
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And I started sharing my message in a more practical way.
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And I didn't do as much scripture, but I just shared simple stories and more relatable stuff.
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And that relatability helped him spread his message and grow to larger audiences.
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 And if he would have tried to be an imposter and tried to be like his father or someone else it wouldn't have worked.
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So that's how you overcome the imposter syndrome.
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So I want to talk about how my life has changed since shifting my mindset to thinking more abundantly rather than in scarcity.
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 handful of years of starting my business and really learning how to sell effectively and learning how to create courses and programs and coaching and events and books and all these things and learning how to generate revenue.
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I went from a place of having no clue how to make money for a number of years to learning how to make money for a period of time and then it started to come in after about a couple of years of figuring it out.
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 And when I got to that place the first few years, I was terrified to spend any money.
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I stayed in a small one-bedroom apartment for many years.
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I didn't have a car for a couple of years.
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I was just like, I'm going to walk everywhere.
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I didn't have TV for a few years.
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I was just like, I don't want to spend on any expenses.
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I was afraid to buy new clothes.
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I was just like, I'm going to, I still bought.
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 you know, the cheapest flights possible, middle seat, back row, buses, whatever I could for a number of years, even when I started making more and more money because I was afraid to go back to a place of having nothing.
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And it was terrifying.
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So I was just in save mode in my bank account.
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I didn't invest anything.
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I just like save and spend the least amount.
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 And I remember I had this dream to make the Olympics and go to New York City to learn a sport called team handball.
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And I wanted to make the USA national team.
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 That was a goal of mine.
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And then once I was on the team, have us qualify for the Olympics.
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And I remember moving to New York City for a month.
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I was like, let me check it out for a month and go to this practice where this team was at that I wanted to learn from.
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And I remember paying this Airbnb, I think it was $2,700 a month.
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And I was paying $495 a month for an apartment before then.
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So from $495 to $2,700 in a month, I was thinking, this is insane.
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This is so much money.
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 I thought it was crazy.
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This is like six months of my rent in Ohio that I'm paying one month here in New York City for a tiny little place.
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What am I doing?
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But I said, I'll try it for one month.
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And within that first month, it's like opportunities and abundance started coming my way.
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I literally walk outside and I found money on the floor.
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I found $100 in the first week right outside
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 on the streets in New York City.
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And I was just like, huh, there is abundance here.
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When I invested in myself, I started to see money literally.
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I started to find opportunities, meet people.
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I met more people in that first month going to networking events in this bigger city.
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But I said, abundance is coming my way.
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When I invest in myself, when I invest in
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 a greater environment for myself, abundance will come my way.
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When I keep it small, when I shrink myself, when I hoard my money in my bank account and I don't actively invest it in positive growth, environment, people, coaching, things like that, then it's going to be harder to grow abundantly.
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So when I started that was like the start of the process.
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 I remember moving after that into another apartment in New York City for I think it was $3,700 or $3,900 a month and thinking this is crazy, this is so much money.
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But then I stayed there for a little over a year and it just continued, opportunities continued to come my way.
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So every time I have moved, every time I have invested in high level coaching, invested in a coach for therapy, for business, for relationships, for my health, abundance comes my way in that area of my life.
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So it's something to think about.
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 How do I manage my fears?
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I was asking Joel about this.
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Is there anything you're afraid of these days?
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You've got so many big opportunities and you've got so much going on and I want to talk about how I manage some of my fears and the things I think about overcoming and how to overcome stuff.
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For me I've talked about this many times if this is your first time here I highly encourage you to
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 Do this exercise.
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You take out a piece of paper and a pen and you write down your fear list.
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So it's a list of your fears, your biggest fears.
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For me over the years public speaking was a fear, doing a podcast was a fear because I didn't know how to interview people and how to do the technology.
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Writing a book was a fear, just putting my writing out there.
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 Salsa dancing and all these things have been fears of mine So I'll take out a piece of paper and a pen and I'll write down like okay number one fear the thing that makes me feel The most afraid when I think about if that's speaking in front of my audience where I would tremble Then that's number one if it's learning how to salsa dance, whatever it is writing a list of your fears your fear list and The key for me has always been I've got to go all in on the thing.
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That's the biggest fear first
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 When I do that, it's like it builds a level of confidence because for 30, 60, or 90 days of going all in every day on that fear, it's not fun.
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It's not fun the first few weeks when you fail, when you humiliate yourself, when you embarrass yourself, it's not fun.
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But on the other side of the 30, 60, or 90 days of you going all in on that fear, you realize I'm still alive, I've learned and grown in this process,
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 I have developed more skill of the greatest fear in the last 30 or 60 days than decades.
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I've created more skill in this small time period than ever before.
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And now I can go and take on this in the real world with more confidence, with more ease and less fear and insecurity.
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And this is something I'm always thinking about.
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What is my fear for this year?
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What is the thing that is holding me back?
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I'm always trying to grow.
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So these are all these things I'm thinking about.
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 But it's like, OK, going all in, investing in that skill, investing in that fear and going from that space.
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That's how I do it.
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I really feel like you can't outthink your fear.
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You've got to act on your fear.
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The sooner you do it, the better.
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So right down the list.
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 the fear list if you want to become fearless, and then go all in on that fear for 30, 60, or 90 days and see what you create on the other side.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness.
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And now it's time to go out there and do something great.