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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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Imagine if cortisol and epinephrine and norepinephrine are supposed to happen in two or three small waves throughout the day, but they re happening constantly throughout the day.
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You re constantly in this activated state.
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What happens is those glands actually get tired, and they can t produce the same level of those hormones, which means you can t activate your systems, your bodies.
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So then you go into adrenal fatigue, which then leads to chronic fatigue syndrome.
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So what do you do there?
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Well, you have to learn to manage stress.
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This one example that just comes to mind, my son plays college basketball, and this season, Billy and I decided not to say a word to him, not to say like, you know, oh, why didn t you take that shot, or oh, you could be playing better defense, or get a rebound, or you should box out better.
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We just said nothing, just we loved watching you play, and he had the best season of his career.
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Hello, everybody.
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Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.
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Today, we have a fabulous episode all around how to focus better, make your brain healthier, feel better.
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This episode is definitely tailored around health and wellness, mostly around focus and why so many of us have such a hard time focusing and being productive these days.
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We dive into it.
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The duo joining this episode are joining us for their fourth appearance, Tina Anderson
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and Kiran Krishnan from Just Thrive.
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We ve had multiple conversations with this duo and they re always fabulous.
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We ve dug into gut health, overall health, probiotics.
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We ve gotten into parenting.
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There s been so many topics that we ve covered with them.
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And this episode, just like the others, packs a punch.
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So if you re someone who wants to learn how to focus more, feel better, take care of your brain, learn about daily practices to manage your stress levels, manage your anxiety levels, then this episode is for you.
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With that, let s jump into the episode.
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This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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I just want to start by saying, Tina, thank God you did not wear that outfit last night to dinner.
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I was thinking the same thing.
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Because Lauren, we went to dinner last night and Lauren bear paw swiped a massive glass of red wine all over Tina.
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And if you were wearing... On purpose?
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We ll find that out later.
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If you were wearing that last night, we would have had a little bit of a different scenario on our hands.
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You know what s not good for focus and memory?
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Wine.
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We literally did the opposite last night.
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This is true.
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This is true.
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But it was fun.
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This episode is going to be all about focus and memory, how we re less focused than ever and how we can improve our focus and memory.
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I think to start off, let s just give a quick intro to the audience.
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You guys have been on four times because the episodes have been so successful, but just like a little a little blurb about each of you before we get into it.
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I m Tina Anderson, I m the co-founder and CEO of Just Thrive.
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My background was in litigation for many years and then I went into a family pharmaceutical business where we kind of got dismayed by a lot of the abuses in the pharmaceutical industry and we wanted to do something that was more in line with how we lived our lives with our three children.
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We dove into the field of gut health and researched, and we were able to license these very exclusive strains of probiotics, which I know your audience has already come to know.
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And from there, Just Thrive was born, and it s been the most gratifying career journey I ve ever been on.
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So I m Kiran Krishnan.
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I m a research microbiologist.
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I ve spent most of my career doing research and development and innovation in the world of nutritional science.
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So a lot of focus on the gut, of course, as a microbiologist, because we have all these microbes that dictate how we function.
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And so my goal is to understand who they are, what they do, and how do we work with them in order to optimize our life.
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I started working with Tina, I don t know now, but 10 years ago, at least, right?
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And finding brands that are really focused on science and research is really my goal.
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And then working with them to bring the science and research to it.
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And then education.
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I spend a lot of time talking.
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And for those of you that are newer listeners or maybe missed the last episodes with these two, I ll link them in the show notes or we ll link them in the show notes and make sure because they re phenomenal episodes, especially if you re interested in the topic of gut health and all sorts of stuff we ve dove into.
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They ve been really successful episodes, so we ll link them.
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But anyways, guys, welcome back to the show.
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I want to discuss the underlying cause of why people are less focused than ever.
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Like, what is it coming from?
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Because everyone says, I have ADD.
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I can t focus.
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I can t multitask.
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Why is that?
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Well, I think what we re seeing is that
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these little devices called smartphones are inducing a sort of ADHD in society.
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I mean, we are so distracted, more than we ever have been in history before.
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And when you think about just the device itself, you know, it takes us to thousands of different places within a matter of minutes.
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So we re constantly being distracted between, you know,
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We get an email, we get a Slack message.
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Notifications are on our text messages.
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We re getting text messages.
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We re just distracted as a society from, you know, societal demands, home demands.
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We re working from home.
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That s another big one.
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There s way more distractions at home.
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I mean, I m aging myself right now, but 30 years ago, I d be in my office.
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The only distraction I had was someone knocking on my office door.
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You know, now we re working on a spreadsheet and you get a text notification.
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Slack comes through and we re distracted.
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It s funny because my daughter and I yesterday were watching home videos of me when I was a little girl and I m watching the way my mom was engaging with us as babies.
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And she s so focused on doing that singular task.
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And now it s like, even when we re with our kids at home, there are 6 million things to do.
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And it s a different energy.
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She didn t have a phone to pick up or someone to text or emails to respond to.
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It s like she was like really like present.
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And you almost can sense it.
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Does that make sense?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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And to, to answer that question from a science perspective, right.
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So what is happening with our brain?
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So Tina mentioned all these distractions, the way we re wired and the way our brain is supposed to work.
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There are these neurotransmitters that, that elicit activity within us, especially activity that s good for us.
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Right.
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So dopamine, for example, dopamine is a substance that s largely made in the gut that functions in the brain.
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And the, the big effect of dopamine is to give you focus.
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attention to something and make you feel elation when you, when you reward yourself with the act that you do, that s a benefit to you.
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So for example, when we eat food, we get a dopamine rush, right?
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And the reason for that is your body s trying to tell you, Hey, this is a good thing.
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Make sure you go out and eat food.
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If you work on something and you re, you re diligently building something, you get a dopamine rush and that s your body telling you, this is good for you.
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Now that s supposed to happen at a certain level throughout the day.
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When we have this overstimulation, what s happening is we re creating so much dopamine release throughout our day in our brain, that the levels that we need to feel something keep increasing.
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Right.
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So it s no different than like insulin resistance or leptin resistance in weight loss issues.
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We can develop this dopamine resistant type of issue where we need more and more dopamine to feel the effects of it.
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Now, on top of that, we ve got inflammation.
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Inflammation is damaging the brain s ability to use dopamine.
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A lot of that inflammation comes from the gut, comes from all the toxins and things that we experience and stress that we experience throughout the day.
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So not only are we stimulating this dopamine as a stimulant all day long through all of these devices and all that, but on top of that, we can t utilize dopamine as well.
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So between the two, we re constantly fighting to stoke the dopamine response.
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And so when you look at things like Adderall or Vyvanse or Ritalin, they re all dopaminergic substances.
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The way they work in the brain to try to increase focus is it releases more dopamine and releases norepinephrine, which is a stress hormone, which gets you to focus and pay attention on things.
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So that s what s happening scientifically in the brain.
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Adderall is being prescribed more than ever, or the other versions that you just said.
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If you had a kid that was prescribed Adderall, and you know everything you know, what are you going to do before you even entertain, if you entertain, an Adderall prescription?
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Yeah, and I wouldn t entertain it.
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And the reason I wouldn t entertain it is because it becomes almost a lifelong crutch, right?
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Because what the Adderall is doing is it s artificially stimulating the release of dopamine and epinephrine.
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So it s giving an artificial outcome.
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Now it does improve function, right?
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Absolutely.
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But do I want my child having that issue and having to use that crutch for the rest of their lives?
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That is the risk that you re facing.
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So my mind, I go, okay.
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What is wrong?
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Number one, they re probably overstimulated to begin with, right?
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So can we dampen some of the overstimulation?
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Like there s too many devices, they re doing too many things.
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They re not having any downtime.
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You re talking about when your mom was interacting with you, right?
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Am I focused enough on them, right?
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Am I giving them one-on-one focused time without any other distractions so that they can build that mechanism in their brain to focus and enhance on something?
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Are they getting rewards from tasks appropriately if they sit down and draw something, right?
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Are they getting elation or rewards from that so that their brain knows if I focus on this task and I get it done, this is good, right?
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There s a benefit to me there.
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Then on top of that, I would go, what s going on with their gut?
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Because they may not be producing enough dopamine.
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a good amount of dopamine is actually produced in the gut.
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So they might have inflammation or leaky gut.
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So they re not producing enough dopamine.
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And then, are they sleeping enough?
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Are they protecting the brain enough so that the brain can actually utilize dopamine?
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Because if you have inflammation, you have damage to the brain that occurs throughout the day, you can t utilize the dopamine you re making.
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So those would be the few things I d start looking at before considering the prescription.
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Some cases, maybe you need to use it.
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No judgment, right?
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We need to do what we need to do to get by, but that s how I would look at it.
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You mentioned that our kids are watching us be distracted and us not focus.
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Yep.
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I think that s a big one because kids are always watching.
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I call my daughter Big Eye.
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She s always watching everything.
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But like they re always watching everything.
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Do you think that s a huge part of their sort of like mirroring our behavior?
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Yep.
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So one of the most important things as parents, we can say what we want.
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We can, we can lecture them all.
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We want all that.
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It s the modeling.
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That s the most important, right?
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We know that.
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And we know, and that s throughout the animal kingdom, every species, the parents model behavior for the child.
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And the modeling creates the neurotransmitter networks or the networks in the brain to gear the child towards behavior.
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And I noticed this myself, right?
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Because it s hard for me to watch TV without looking on my phone, right?
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And I noticed this, and I m conscious of this from time to time, and I go, I m watching something that is entertaining me, and still I m looking at my phone for stuff, right?
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That s just so strange to me.
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And my kids notice that, and they point it out, right?
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They go, dad, you re not even watching, you re looking at your phone, right?
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And I m like, ah.
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They noticed that and that modeling absolutely creates, uh, networks in their brain that show them that this is how you function.
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Right.
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And they do the same thing.
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Yeah.
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You know, I, I think one of the downsides to, to this device, and I don t know if you guys feel the same.
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there is this like artificial sense of urgency in all things.
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And I, you know, Lauren and I didn t have smartphones until we got out of school.
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And I just never, when I look back on my life, and maybe you can relate with us older people at the table, I never felt as much sense of urgency when I was younger.
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Like something would come through, like I wouldn t see it in my email until I got on a computer and looked at it.
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I know that s strange for people to like, what do you mean?
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Like most people get their email out of their phone.
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Like there was a time when you had to get on a computer to see if you got anything.
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Or something happened going way back and you d have to listen to a voicemail at home or you d have to answer.
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And so you had all this time and I feel like it s creating this big public sense of anxiety because everything feels so urgent when really it s not.
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It s just people are able to get to you much faster and be able to see the message much quicker.
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I do think though that the power lies in the person that s holding the phone and you have to take extreme accountability around your phone and make boundaries.
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And I think we can point and blame and say, and this is not my fault, but at the end of the day, you re the user.
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So for me, I look at it like a sign on a shop that says closed for the night.
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Yeah, but what I think though people like there s just many people that just aren t aware that they re exhibiting these behaviors and like we ve all slowly been lulled into it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like these phones just get faster and faster and more cable, more cable.
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Now we re wearing headsets on our face to run around, you know, that s only going to get faster and faster and, you know, smaller and smaller.
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I think you can t resist technology and it s part of the human existence.
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We re going to have to use these tools.
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But I think it s very easy to slip into a pattern of behavior that you re unaware of where all of a sudden you re running around anxious, unfocused, feeling like everything in the world is an emergency that has to be answered right away.
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You know, the gnarliest is when it comes in and it says like, urgent email.
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And you re reading like, why is this so urgent?
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Like, you know, urgent, we got to get this paid.
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I m like, you know, the company will survive if you wait till Monday.
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Like, you know, and if not, we ve got bigger problems.
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You know, I just look at this stuff now.
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I m like, not everything is really urgent.
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And I think we throw that word around now way too freely.
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Yeah, and I think what we re seeing too is that because we re doing this, we have shorter attention spans.
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I mean, we used to have an average attention span of like two and a half minutes.
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Now it s less than 40 seconds.
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And of course, that s just going down.
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And that lack of attention span is the reason why we re spending all these crazy hours at work.
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It s not because we re working more or more efficiently.
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distracted throughout the days and now we re working 24-7.
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So to Lauren s point, I mean, we definitely need to be working on disciplining ourselves more with our phone, but most people aren t.
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Yeah, I think it all starts with awareness.
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You just have to be aware, catch yourself in the moment of what you re doing.
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Do I really need to walk into the bathroom with my phone or is that excessive?
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Can I put my phone down when I wake up?
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It s like Ichabod Crane when people wake up.
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They roll over and
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slam the phone in their face.
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There s something though, we talked about this last night in relation to children and children feeling okay coming home and like maybe missing that party.
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And I think it s ingrained in all of us to feel like I can t miss out on whatever s going on.
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And we do the same thing on the phone.
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Like I have to see what s going on throughout every hour of the day to make sure that I m participating in society and that I don t miss anything.
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Or maybe control.
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No, I think it s a behavioral thing where humans don t want to feel left out or like they will miss something.
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The older I get, the more I want to miss out.
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Yeah.
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And the neurotransmitter component to that is dopamine.
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So our phone gives us that dopamine kick, right?
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And we re constantly seeking that.
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And that s why it s addictive.
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That s why scrolling is addictive, because it gives you that little bit of dopamine kick.
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And to me, that underlying issue as to why we want or need that dopamine kick, that s the part that scares me a little bit.
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Right, so when Tina, when we first talked about doing a memory and cognition product, the part that interested me about it was why is it that people need a memory and cognition product?
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Why is it that people need neurological stimulants, right?
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We all use stimulants, coffee, I was just drinking coffee earlier, and I like it because it is a stimulant, right?
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Nicotine, and then of course, all the prescription versions of this.
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Why do we need it?
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And what does that say about what s happening to our brains?
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That s the part that keeps me up a little bit at night because what you start to realize when you look at the biology of it,
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is that we re all waking up every morning with a brain that s slightly more damaged than the brain we had the day before, right?
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Slightly damaged, right?
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And this is why we see dementia, Alzheimer s, and all those rates increasing dramatically.
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The early, early stages of that are memory, cognitive dysfunction, focus, and then anxiety and depression as well.
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The pathologies of all those things are very, very similar.
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So the part that really keeps me up at night is looking at data that shows 20 and 30-year-olds, when they do cognitive dysfunctional tests, they have measured levels of reduced cognitive function.
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When they re supposed to be at their peaks, they can measure them the same way they measure it in 60-year-olds who are undergoing dementia.
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The same kind of dysfunction is measurable in 20 and 30-year-olds.
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but we don t necessarily address it until we re in our sixties.
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So what is the underlying root cause that we re starting to see that so much younger?
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Yeah.
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So the big, the big thing is a couple of things.
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One is inflammation and inflammatory damage.
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Uh, number two is the inability of the brain to repair itself throughout the, uh, at night, especially.
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Right.
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So we re not sleeping enough.
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Sleep is really important to repair the brain, uh, providing the right type of cellular activation.
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So you ve got these mechanisms in the brain that turn on things like glutathione.
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Glutathione is a very powerful
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antioxidant.
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It helps neutralize the free radicals and the oxidation that occurs in the brain throughout the day.
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Stress is another driver of damage to the brain and inflammation.
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And then, of course, the overt distractions, right?
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The overt distractions stoke too much dopamine, too much epinephrine, too much serotonin in some cases as well.
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And all of those things are overstimulating to the brain without enough rest and recovery.
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How much sleep should we be getting?
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So it varies from person to person, but I would say that deep sleep, so I wear the Oura ring, right?
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So it s a great way for me to keep track of what I m actually doing from a sleep perspective.
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I think you need a minimum of around an hour and 10 minutes of deep sleep and around an hour and 30 minutes of REM sleep.
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That s where most of the recovery is happening.
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For me, I can get by fine with around six and a half to seven hours of sleep on a regular basis.
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And then I can go several days with four or five hours of sleep and still be functioning.
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But that s just that s unique to me because I think I function well with adrenaline.
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My mom s like that.
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Right.
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So my mom is.
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She would say 72, but she s probably 74, 75.
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Um, and so she, she is a physician.
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She runs an ICU and an ER night shift.
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Oh, wow.
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That s a lot of cortisol.
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Yeah.
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That s a lot of cortisol, right?
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She s the only attending on the floor in both the ICU, which is like a 30 bed ICU and an emergency department overnight.
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So she does a 7 PM to like 9 AM shift seven days a week.
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Wait, how is that possible?
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Seven days a week?
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Seven days a week.
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And then she takes seven days off, seven days on, seven days off.
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But she keeps shifting.
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So one week she s sleeping in the daytime.
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The next very next week, she s sleeping at night.
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But she runs fine because she runs on adrenaline really well, even at her age.
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Right.
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And so that s kind of like me.
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I do the same thing.
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I probably do the same thing.
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Yeah.
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How the hell are you so awake in the morning?
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I don t know.
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I just sleep.
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He woke up this morning.
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It was like I was like, get back in the back in the box, get away from he s talking mid-sentence.
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I m like, I got to I got to get a coffee.
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My ancestors must have been running for their life.
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Yeah, right.
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All the time.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And at the end of the day, stress.
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right?
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So if you don t mind, let s talk about stress for a moment, right?
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I think everybody knows stress is bad for you, but if you put it in this context, it s really almost whimsical to think about it.
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So the stress response, the fight or flight response has been a very, very important response for every
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type of living creature there has been since the dawn of time, right?
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The same cortisol fight or flight response that we experience, some dinosaur was experiencing the same exact thing a hundred million years ago as it s running away from a predator.
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And that s the beauty of this biology.
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It s been, it s been sustained through the course of evolution because it s so important for survival, right?
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So you think about a wildebeest in the Serengeti and the wildebeest is sitting there quite happily eating grass.
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And then it hears a rustling or some steps and it notices a lion.
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The fight or flight response kicks in in the wildebeest.
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Blood pressure goes way up.
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Inflammation goes way up.
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All non-essential functions shut down.
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The muscles are activated and the wildebeest is literally running for its life, right?
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And let s say it s a clumsy lion.
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So he falls over and it doesn t catch the wildebeest.
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The moment the threat is done, the wildebeest goes back to eating grass.
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Doesn t have any emotional trauma from it.
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Right.
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Doesn t even think about it.
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And it s just moving on with his or her life.
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Right.
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If that happened to a human, we d have hypertension for the next two months from it.
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We d be going to a therapist.
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We d be thinking about it.
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We d be not sleeping at night and all that from that one incident.
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Well, why is that?
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Right.
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We have the curse of having higher cognition.
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Right.
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That s put us at the top of the evolutionary ladder because we have consciousness, right?
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That other animals don t.
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But the, but the other side of the coin of consciousness is we have anticipatory stress, psychological stress.
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Thinking about the next time that s going to happen.
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Exactly.
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And what it means and what is it, did I do something wrong?
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Should I not have been there?
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You know, was I wearing something off?
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Like all these things we think about, right?
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The anticipatory stress.
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The stress that that wildebeest feels when, when he or she s running for their life is the same stress biologically that we feel when we re sitting in traffic.
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Or when you spill a glass of red wine on someone s tattered scarf.
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Exactly at dinner.
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Right.
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And so.
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The crazy thing about it is that biological mechanism is designed to work for a few seconds to a few minutes.
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We re the only species there is with the exception of maybe one other that induces that throughout the day, all the time.
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And our systems aren t designed to handle that.
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So stress damages your brain.
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So let me in that in that line of reasoning, would it be fair to say that if we are in that mindset or in that fight or flight for long periods of time, it is also shutting down critical functions of the body for long periods of time where they maybe should not be shut down?
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That s exactly right.
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So the easy way to illustrate that is they call the fight or flight responses the sympathetic activation.
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Right.
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And they call it fight or flight.
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The opposite effect is rest and digest.
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It s really rest, digest, and repair.
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So you ve got these different neurological mechanisms fighting against each other throughout the day.
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If you re in fight or flight, you re not resting, digesting, or repairing, right?
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You can t sleep.
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You can t regenerate the body.
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You can t assimilate nutrients.
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You can t digest food.
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So you can t do all the important things.
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You re constantly in this survival mode.
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How come certain people run more stress than other people?
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Like I feel a lot less stressed than I feel like Michael feels.
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And I, I don t know if I m dissociating and it s like bad, like maybe it s bad.
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Like I m not saying I m the winner here.
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I m saying I might be looking to get some points or like, or detaching is a good word from it.
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But he runs way more stress.
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What s interesting is we had our brain scanned by Dr. Amen.
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I don t know if you know him.
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And he was showing that that s kind of the right, what she just articulated is true.
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For whatever reason, I tend to run more stress and hyper.
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He was surprised because typically the woman is the one to run more stress.
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But interestingly enough, I also feel like I have way more energy.
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No offense.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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So then if you think about, right, all the things associated with stress, it s the release of cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine.
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Those are things that stimulate the system.
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Your muscles are getting more blood than hers are.
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Your adrenals are kicking off, right?
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Your cells are making more energy.
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This is why you can wake up in the morning and be more alert.
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And she takes some time to start catching up.
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But the same thing is happening also in the brain, right?
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So when the brain is undergoing stress and you re awakened,
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That means your brain is inflamed, right?
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The way the body gets blood to the brain when it s going through this flight or fight response is using inflammation.
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It actually uses your immune system.
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So immune cells called microglia cells, these are like these macrophages of the brain.
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They go to the brain and they elicit this inflammatory response because what your body is trying to do is get more blood to the brain, right?
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When you re undergoing this kind of stress response, it wants to get blood to the heart, the brain, and the muscles.
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Everywhere else,
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doesn t need blood at the moment.
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So your brain is active and all that, but it s not necessarily a healthy state to be in unless you can come down from it as well as you went into it, right?
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So that releasing of the stress response and going back into parasympathetic, that s the key part, right?
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So for Lauren, for example, it might take you longer to get into that stress state.
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It may take more stimulus to put you there.
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your adrenal cortex and your HPA axis, so the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis, doesn t perceive stressors in the same way that Michael s does.
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And part of that may be the types of brain waves that you activate, right?
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So if you take someone that is a meditation expert,
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and has been doing meditation for years.
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And they ve really accomplished in that when they encounter a stressor, they tap into something called theta waves.
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Theta waves are the low frequency brain waves, right?
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And when you re in the low frequency brain waves, there are parts of your brain called the coping centers of the brain that are activated.
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They go, do I really need to be stressed about that?
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No, it should be okay.
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people who tap into the beta waves, the high frequency brainwaves, the stressor becomes much more multiplied, right?
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And the difference is like, imagine you re both sitting there right now, you re both pretty calm, right?
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And if someone runs into the room and goes, oh my God, there s something going on.
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If you can turn to them and look at what that stimulus is in a low frequency brainwave, but you turn to them and look at it in the high frequency brainwave, the stressor is going to be much more profound for you.
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That is exactly our personality.
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And it s funny because, no offense, babe, what do you think I m going to say?
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You were going to say that if we were in the Serengeti and a lion chased us, I would get away and you d be fucked.
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I would just make friends with the lion.
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I meditate every day and I rely on it.
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I rely on it to manage my stress.
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No, no, but what I do, I mean, like I ve learned a lot doing this show and talking to people like yourself for so long that I am able to, I think I am hardwired since birth to maybe have more of a beta
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brainwave response than Athena.
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And so I ve, over the years, I ve had to do a lot to start managing that stress in a much more productive way.
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Do you want to be one or the other or does it not matter?
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Do you even have a choice, depending on how?
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You do, you can adjust it.
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So, so one of the funny things about it is psychobiotics.
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So probiotics, I think last time we were on, we talked about it, right?
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The Calm product.
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I love the psychobiotics.
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And so it really services you well, because one of the things it does is it helps you tap into the low frequency brainwave even better.
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Maybe that s why I m so calm, my psychophiotic.
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And you might need to double your dose.
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Right.
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So that may be the difference there.
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So where you want to be, actually, the healthiest form that you want to be is when you are productive.
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You want to be really dominant in your beta waves and alpha waves.
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Right.
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Because that s what makes you productive.
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That s what really gives you that diligence and focus.
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And then the moment you encounter a stressor or something is negative, you you need your brain to go into the low frequency brainwave so you can handle that better.
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Right.
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Or if you do handle it in the high frequency brainwave, you need to be able to come back to a low frequency brainwave.
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So you re not in the flight or fight all the time.
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And how can he work on that?
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Is it through things like breathwork and meditation, taking a psychobiotic?
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What are the other things he can do that are free?
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Yeah.
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So the, the meditative work, right?
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So having stillness throughout the day, stillness throughout the day is really important because if you just sit down and do some deep diaphragmatic breathing or box breathing, even, right.
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So some sort of practice where you re trying to calm the mind down and you reward yourself by telling yourself that that s a good thing that you re doing.
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What it tells is it trains your brain to go, Hey, stillness and calmness is good.
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Right.
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They do this in neurological training.
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For example, there s a, there s a, there s a type of therapy.
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For example, if you do, if you have a lot of anxiety, you can go and they ll, they ll map your brain waves.
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Right.
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And then you wear this cap that measures your brainwave activity and you watch a movie, any movie you like, you can put anything in there.
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When I tried this, I was watching the born identity for example.
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And what happens as you re watching the movie, the movie starts getting pixelated.
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You can still hear it and all that, but now you can t see it.
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And your brain s like going, what, I can t, what s happening.
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Right.
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And then as your brain goes through many different iterations of trying to figure out the problem, the moment it hits a low frequency brainwave, the picture comes back.
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Right.
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And then you do that many times over several days and you start to train the brain that you get rewarded when you go into the low frequency brainwave.
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So what you want to do is reward yourself.
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Look, for example, is there something exciting that you like to like, you like to work out, for example, that gives you a good dopamine kick.
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before you allow yourself to go work out, sit down still for 10 to 15 minutes and breathe and tell yourself that your reward for doing that is going to work out.
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Right.
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Then your brain goes, oh, okay.
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This is the, this is the reward I get for this activity.
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It s a good thing.
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Or like say, I like to read maybe before I read, I could do the same thing.
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Exactly.
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It s funny because when he s on one, I m like, go take a sauna and a cold plunge out and he will walk in with a whole different frequency.
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Does cold hot therapy give you that same energy that we re talking about?
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It does.
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Yeah, it does.
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So anytime you, you go through discomfort or stress the body, physically stress the body and you come out of it, you go through this like release of that, that anxiousness because stepping into cold water or hot, uh, hot sauna automatically puts your body into kind of a fight or flight response.
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Right.
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But it s not a prolonged thing because you re removing yourself from the stimulant immediately.
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So it s not a psychological stress.
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It s a physical stress.
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So that s closer to what the wildebeest and the Serengeti is experiencing.
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Right.
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We re some of the only species that can do psychological stress.
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The other ones are baboons.
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Baboons are very interesting because they have these really crazy social orders where they spend most of their day tormenting each other.
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And they re, they re a very good study for humans.
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And in fact, there s some brilliant researchers, neuroscientists that have spent the
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decades studying baboons as a model of human stress because baboons elicit so much psychological stress on one another.
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And that s how they determine their hierarchy and the social order.
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It s, you know, who is ranked above the other, and then they torment the people below them.
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And it s an interesting study of like human existence and socioeconomic differences and all that stuff.
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And the, the lower rung baboons more often than not get sick and they end up dying off.
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Right.
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Are people just born with different frequencies in their brain or is it something that s developed through childhood or trauma?
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Like, why is his brain one way and mine s the other when it comes to these frequencies?
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I think it s a mix of how you were born, right?
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So the, the, the birthing process itself.
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So, and everything s from simple from C-section versus vaginal birth.
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Was there any trauma in the birthing period, right?
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Was it a long arduous labor for your mom or was it an easy labor for your mom?
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Those kinds of things can start to map your brainwave activity and also your microbiome.
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Your microbiome plays a huge role in how your brainwave activity functions.
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And then also, were you breastfed, right?
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How many course of antibiotics did you have?
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And then how did your parents model these behaviors, right?
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Did they, were they kind of anxious, you know, moving people all the time, very active.
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They didn t sit still.
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You know, yeah, exactly.
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And then, you know, I know the mom, it s always blames the mom.
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The mom gets blamed for everything.
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It s some bullshit.
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My mom joke with each other.
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We probably run like we re pretty similar her and I. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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There s something that I see people complaining about all the time, especially women, chronic fatigue.
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What s it from and what can we do for free to support chronic fatigue?
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Yeah.
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And then you can give me some ones that maybe aren t free that you think are worth investing in.
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There s a, there s a couple of mechanisms behind chronic fatigue syndrome and, and they call it syndrome because there s numerous variables in it.
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Right.
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To me, probably the most common version of that is what we call like adrenal fatigue.
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And that s because your, your adrenals, which produce the stress hormones, the epinephrine, norepinephrine, cortisol, those adrenals are tired.
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from constant production of those stress hormones, right?
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The adrenals are designed to be able to produce these stress hormones in small waves throughout the day to get you going.
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This is why a lot of people, when you wake up, or everyone really, has a cortisol awakening response, right?
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Cortisol is very high during the morning time and very high in the afternoon, when we all start to get a little slumpy at two, three o clock in the afternoon.
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Or when Michael flicks the lights on at 7 a.m.
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as bright as he possibly can and stomps around.
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Exactly.
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Your cortisol, the reason why you re not fully alert at that point, your natural cortisol awakening response hasn t kicked in yet, right?
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So it s hard to be awake at that point because you don t have that natural wake-up call.
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Imagine if cortisol and epinephrine, norepinephrine are supposed to happen in two or three small waves throughout the day, but they re happening constantly throughout the day, right?
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You re constantly in this activated state.
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What happens is those glands actually get tired and they can t produce the same level of those hormones.
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And which means you can t activate your systems, your bodies.
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So then you go into adrenal fatigue, which then leads to chronic fatigue syndrome.
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So that to me is one of the biggest things, one of the biggest reasons.
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So what do you do there?
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Well, you have to learn to manage stress.
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Stress management, I think could be one of the biggest things that people do for free, whether it s mindfulness work.
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disengaging from things, getting all the stimulants away for a short period of time throughout the day, exercise, whatever, maybe reduce stress and cortisol in people.
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We were at dinner last night, Tina and her husband, Billy, and we were taught, we were kind of picking your brain about parenting because you ve raised three great kids, not to get too personal with you, but when you, for the new parents out there that are thinking about what they should do or what they should incorporate to kind of manage some of this stuff for their kids.
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And Lauren and I are asking questions about like, are you born like this?
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You re not like, what are some of the things maybe you ve done or that you ve learned running just thrive that you can do as a parent or a new parent?
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I think.
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Parents do their best, but many are just not equipped and don t know, and there s all sorts of new technology.
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Well, the fact of the matter is a lot of this stuff we re talking about just didn t exist when even our parents were raising us.
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So I just, I wonder from your perspective, especially with what you know and what you ve learned running this company, like what are you actually doing with, for your kids?
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Well, I think a lot of it is just like not taking everything so seriously.
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You know, I mean, I think even with grades, as your kids start getting older, we, I, what I noticed now that I have my youngest is a junior in college.
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Um, I have three kids that are now two are out of college and,
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I just see there was such an emphasis with my firstborn about grades and performing and being the best that you could be.
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And I realized it didn t really always serve them that well when I put that much emphasis on it.
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And, you know, I m always about even education, about like learning.
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Focus on learning.
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Don t focus so much about what your GPA is or are you going to get into this school or that school.
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It s more about
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you know, doing your best and just being calm about it.
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And I ve really tried to implement that because I was not doing a great job modeling when we started this business, three kids all playing lots of multiple sports and running a business.
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And then I really have been very prescriptive now about trying to teach my kids that because I didn t always do a great job of it.
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And now my son in college, I mean, my motto is C s get degrees, you know, and I mean,
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That s okay, I feel fine with it because I m always like, you need to learn.
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That is my goal, is like that you need to learn and not put so much pressure.
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I think parents wear a lot of their kids  honors, you know, as badges themselves and the kids feel that.
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And yeah, I feel my, I just, this one example that just comes to mind, my son plays college basketball and we had a, this season, we, Billy and I decided not to say a word to him, not to say like,
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You know, oh, why didn t you take that shot or oh, you could be playing better defense or to get a rebound or you should box out better.
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We just said nothing.
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Just we love watching you play.
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And he had the best season of, you know, his career.
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Yeah, I think that s a good perspective because I remember as a young kid stressing a lot about my grades while also inherently knowing that that academic path that for me personally was not
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Going to pan out like I just I think there s some people that that school system is incredible for especially for certain roles But for me like I knew that it was like inherently just knew it was not the right path And I was so stressed all the time because I was like okay like I m not gonna get these grades and
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C s, D s, I wear my model, I get degrees as well.
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But then if you look at how my life has manifested since, some of that skillset of maybe kind of not being such an academic panda in other ways.
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And I think my parents at the time, they re doing their best, but they
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They come from a generation where it was like GPA, grades, get into the good school.
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And so it was probably a lot of maybe unnecessary stress, which in the end, you know, has made me who I am, but also really like none of those degrees or that traditional schooling, like have anything to do with kind of what I m doing now successfully.
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Does that make sense?
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Oh, it totally makes sense.
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That s what I m preaching all the time to my kids.
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Absolutely.
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All kids are different.
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Like meaning, you know, my daughter, she s loves to sing and she loves to, she loves to create and like, I m going to let her lean into that instead of be like, you have to get A s in math.
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If like her thing is, is being creative.
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I think it s important to like let them flourish in the area that they re good in as opposed to being like, you have to do it this way because the school system said this way.
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Well, think about like a company even.
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There are some people that probably accelerated in things like math and they go into the finance world or have finance roles.
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And there are some people that are on the completely other end, they go into creative, but imagine trying to put a creative in your finance department.
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Imagine if you re running a company, you re like, Hey, the person that s like really into the arts and graphic design.
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Could I be a microbiologist?
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And that s exactly what we re doing with our kids every single day.
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Yeah.
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Something that has come up a lot on this podcast, and I feel like you both are the perfect people to answer.
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I just did Instagram stories on this is a lot of people were given antibiotics at birth, meaning their mom was given antibiotics.
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It ran through their system.
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And then from there out there on a Z pack for being on having a cold, maybe they re a woman and they got a UTI.
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or a man.
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But the point is, is they ve been on antibiotics throughout their life and now they re adults and they want to reverse the damage that antibiotics has made on their gut.
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Where should they start?
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Well, the biggest thing is supporting your microbiome on a regular basis by avoiding antibiotics.
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Obviously, we know antibiotics was the cause, but antibiotics are not just found in the capsule, they re found in our animal products that we re eating.
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Glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in Roundup, sprayed all over our produce.
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We need to try to eat as organic as possible.
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calm ourselves down, like Karan mentioned.
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I mean, our gut is, our brain is speaking to our gut all the time.
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There s a communication going back and forth between the gut and the brain.
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So there s a lot of lifestyle changes that we can make to support our gut, as well as taking, you know, a spore-based probiotic, which are the type of strains that we work with.
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We know we ve done double-blind human clinical trials on these strains, knowing that they are sealing up the tight junctions and sealing up that gut lining.
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What does spore-based mean?
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Spore base means they have an endospore shell around themselves.
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And so these bacteria strains that we work with have this endospore shell around itself, and it allows it to get to the intestines alive.
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The problem with the overwhelming majority of probiotics on the market is they don t arrive in the intestines alive.
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And just to be defined as a probiotic, it needs to arrive alive in the intestines.
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And most of them don t even meet that part of the definition.
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So the spores have this spore shell around itself, allows it to get through the stomach acid.
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The stomach acid, it s meant to be the gastric barrier.
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It s very, very, like you would burn your finger if you touch the acid in your stomach.
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Most probiotics die in that stomach acid.
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The spores have the ability to naturally survive and get to the intestines alive.
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And then they stay there for about 21 to 28 days where they re working throughout the entire intestinal tract.
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What are some other mistakes that you see that are talked about online that s bullshit?
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Meaning like, this is just a random question, like is sauerkraut really good for your gut?
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Like what are things that like, maybe if you guys could do like a myth busters on what actually is good when it comes to probiotics.
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Well, I ll start with my two favorite ones.
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One is that a good probiotic needs to be refrigerated.
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And that is, it makes no sense when you think about it, because if a probiotic needs to be refrigerated, it means it can t even withstand the room temperature of the store shelf.
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So if it can t withstand the room temperature of the store shelf,
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How in the world would it ever survive your body temperature, which is 98.6?
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And the answer is they don t.
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I mean, we ve studied this time and time again.
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We ve done gastric survivability studies on some of the leading probiotics out there with 50 billion CFUs, and they re all dying by the time they get to the intestines.
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And then the other big myth out there is taking a probiotic with like 10, 15, 25 different strains in the product.
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Quran famously calls those the kitchen sink formulas because it s like they re throwing in a whole bunch of probiotics strains.
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But the problem with those is you don t know what they re doing in the gut because these are live microorganisms and they are put together in a vat and they re grown together.
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And so one strain in there could take over another strain.
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And then, or worse yet, two strains could come together and create a whole new strain that s never been studied.
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We don t know if it s safe.
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We don t know if it s beneficial.
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We just don t know.
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And this is happening.
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This is rampant in the industry where you re seeing probiotics with 15 different strains and not a study on the finished formulation.
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And that s one of the things we pride ourselves in is that we ve actually done a study on the finished formulation with our strains and to know how they work in the body.
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And one example of that is we, our psychobiotic strain that we talked about earlier, Just Calm product,
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The psychobiotic strain is bifidolongam-1714.
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There s crazy amount of research behind this, like eight clinical trials on showing the great effects it has on reducing cortisol.
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When you mix, we decided, oh, let s try to mix that bifidolongam-1714 with another bifidolongam strain.
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And all of the positive effects of that bifidolongam-1714 were negated when we mixed it with this other bifidolongam strain.
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We can t assume that because you have studies from this one strain and then you take studies from another strain that they re all going to work together.
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You don t know that unless you study it.
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And so that s one of the biggest travesties, in my opinion, that s happening in the probiotic industry.
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And we re seeing as people are launching probiotics like crazy because everyone s getting on the gut health bandwagon, but nobody has studies on the finished formulation.
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So I d be careful about getting some of these like kitchen sink formula probiotics.
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When you guys launch a product, do you work together to make sure that it s the best of the best?
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Absolutely.
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I mean, we don t launch products unless they re missing and needed in the market.
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And Quran s brains have been, you know, the brains behind all of our products that we ve launched.
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Yeah, you know, we put a lot of thought into what mechanisms we need to support in the system, right?
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What is missing?
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Number one, what should we be doing naturally through non-cost systems?
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You know, the meditations, the diets and things like that, exercise and so on.
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And then what should we support the body with through supplementation?
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Just because we can t get the same resources in the natural world anymore.
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So if you think about the brain topic that we re talking about today,
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Why did we create this mood and focus product?
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Well, we were very concerned about the brain as a part of the body that we re just not paying enough attention to.
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From the perspective of protecting it, supporting it, nurturing it, and so on.
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We do that to almost every other part of our body, right?
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Everyone that works out or cares about fitness probably takes protein, probably takes creatine, right?
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Takes branch chain amino acids to support muscle growth.
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eats enough calories, they also know that you don t work out the same part of the body twice in a row, right?
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Why do we do that?
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Well, because we go, we know we need rest and recovery for that part of the body.
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We don t work legs today because we worked it yesterday.
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But the brain is undergoing stressors every single day, more so than any other part of the body, and we re not providing it the tools to recover throughout the night, right?
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So the main important thing is the gut has to be healthy because of the gut-brain axis.
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If the gut s not healthy, then it s not producing the dopamine, the serotonin, the BDNF, and so on that the brain needs to recover.
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In addition to that, an unhealthy gut provides so much inflammation to the brain that it causes significant damage to the brain over time, right?
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So we need the gut to be healthy.
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That s where the probiotic addresses it, and then all the other beneficial things you can do.
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On top of that, the reason we created this product is it has nutrients in it that actually improve the reparative function of the central nervous system.
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So when you take things like lion s mane, for example, or citric choline, these are compounds that enhance repair in the central nervous system, which is what we need when we go to sleep at night, right?
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We need that repair to be happening.
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We have compounds in there that increase energy production in brain cells.
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so that your brain is functional.
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You have more energy and focus.
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You can think about things and work diligently on things without having to use stimulants.
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Now, if you have to use stimulants, that s fine.
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I use them from time to time as well.
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That s perfectly fine.
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But the fact that you need it tells you a story that your brain is not necessarily recovering appropriately each day.
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So we layer this in.
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You fix the gut, then you support the brain through nutrition, through these compounds.
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And then, of course, you adjust lifestyle as well.
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If I m just starting, you know, Lauren and I have been on the gut protocol.
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How long has it been now?
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A long time.
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Four years.
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We don t travel without it.
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We go everywhere we go.
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I sprinkle it in my daughter s smoothie.
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My dogs take it.
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Yes.
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I literally sprinkled some on the floor for the dogs the other day.
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They re licking it up.
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I really got to stress, like for people that are interested in gut health and the topics we ve covered with these two before, like you got to go back and listen to those episodes.
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We go in depth into all the reasons why gut health is important, which we always harp on.
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But if I m going to start now taking this regularly,
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What s a protocol that you would say is right for everybody just getting going?
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Would you just say, I just had two on the show, do you just take two per day and just go from there?
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And you re talking about the focus and memory, which I m eating right now.
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I mean, if you want to go slow, you can, but there probably wouldn t be a reason necessarily for it.
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You could do two a day and it s super easy.
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They re gummy, they taste delicious and yeah.
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What are the things that you would tell people to start looking to notice?
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you know, increase focus.
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That s what s great is like, well, you should notice something on this, but then while you re noticing it, you re also doing this reparative, there s this whole reparative aspect that Karan was talking about that s so exciting.
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So some things you won t notice that are happening that are super beneficial.
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So increasing a memory, you know, being maybe less brain fog and just, you know, not forgetting things all the time and being able to like focus on having a longer attention span.
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Well, I take like four of them.
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And you may notice, you know, your need for certain stimulants reducing.
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Right.
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So many people are taking nicotine gum, for example, which can be very effective.
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Do you like that?
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Because I think it s a perfectly good tool.
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Right.
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I think if you have to use it, you have to ask a question.
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Why do I have to use it?
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But to get by, if you re using it, it s OK.
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Right.
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No judgments there.
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I ve tried it before.
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I don t feel like I need it so much, but I ve tried it just to see what it feels like.
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And it does definitely give you focus.
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Maybe get your perspective on it.
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Nicotine, in my opinion, some people are going to be screaming, has really bad PR.
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Because I think it got looped in with cigarettes and tobacco and stuff like that.
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But nicotine, purely as just a nicotine-isolated substance, in my opinion, can be really beneficial as a tool at times.
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And take it a step further, talking about some of these more, I guess, prescription products.
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Like if I had to, I would rather go to the nicotine than jump to some of the other things we ve talked about, adderalls and medications and all of that from your, as a scientist, I would, I would as well.
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So nicotine has other added benefits, right?
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So nicotine is a, what they call a mitochondrial uncoupler.
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which does improve the ability of the mitochondria to produce energy.
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That s a good native thing to happen.
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It does increase dopamine as well, which is a good thing, right?
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But not to the level that an Adderall or a prescription drug does.
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I think nicotine is a interesting longevity tool for people to use.
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But if you find that you need coffee in the morning, nicotine throughout the afternoon, all that, just to function,
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then you have to start thinking about what are some of the underlying mechanisms I m not addressing, which is causing me to need these so much.
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Yeah.
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I would say the same.
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Like if you find yourself also drinking three cups of coffee followed by a tea and a matcha and all like there s, you know, I think all of the, any substance can be abused if not used in moderation.
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And if you re, if you re needing these things to get you through normal human function throughout the day, like there s probably an underlying issue that you should address.
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Yeah.
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What s your prescription for hangovers?
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Like if you re going to be hungover tomorrow, tell me exactly what you re going to do when you wake up.
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Tell me what supplements you re taking, what kind of water you re drinking, what you re doing.
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Yeah.
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So so step one is how do I reduce my risk of getting hungover?
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Right.
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So then you have to be very specific about what you drink.
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I like really high end spirits and I drink them straight without mixers in it, because I think if you re starting to add sugary mixers and all that, that increases your risk for being hungover.
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So for example, high end tequila, whiskeys and all that.
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And for me, it s easier to manage the amount that I end up drinking if I m drinking it that way.
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Number two is hydration while drinking.
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So there have been some studies that show that one of the biggest factors in whether or not you experience a hangover and how much you can tolerate of alcohol is the amount of hydration you have in your body at that time.
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We always had this idea that a small person can t handle as much alcohol as a large person.
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They re like, oh, he s 300 pounds.
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He can drink more.
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That s not actually true.
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Necessarily.
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It s about how much water they hold in their system.
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So I hydrate a lot when I m drinking at night.
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So then the next day I have less of a hangover and I will say I almost never get hangovers.
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I don t think I ever have even throughout college.
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That may be one time I can remember because we were on a cruise ship and that seasickness probably didn t help it.
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But so then the next morning, one of the things I do is the night before hydration and I try to drink clean spirits and I take liver support.
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So I take milk thistle and then I take my probiotic during the drinking period as well.
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So that my gut is aligned properly.
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When I wake up in the morning, it s a lot of water, it s coffee and it s liver support.
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I forgot about milk thistle.
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I took a bunch of that.
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He s going to go buy some.
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I basically had crates of milk thistle.
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It s it, and it s so effective.
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It can be so effective.
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And then if you, if you do some B vitamins, so for example, I ll take, you know, there s a energy drink packet that I use called Celsius, right?
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The, the one with, with Stevia in it.
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I don t like the other one.
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I ll, I ll drink that in the morning as well.
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It gives you some B vitamins, a little bit of caffeine and things like that.
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Just keep me going.
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And then a nice hot shower to kind of sweat it out a little bit.
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And I typically feel perfectly fine.
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The other thing that helps me a lot with reducing the risk of hangover is eating.
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actually.
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Now, this is not great for you.
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I m not advocating eating late at night.
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Right.
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But if you ve been drinking, I always like to eat something before bed.
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And it may be just, you know, a banana sandwich or something like that.
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Right.
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That seems to help me feel much better the next morning as well.
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If our audience was to start with one of your products and you could wave a wand and give everyone one product, which would it be?
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It would be our just just thrive probiotic for sure.
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That s what I.
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I think so too.
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It s so foundational to everything we ve talked about.
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So many of our audience already have the dress thrive probiotic and I selfishly want to know what maybe the second product is.
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I m going to guess you re going to say focus and memory.
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Well, I think it depends on what your goals are.
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You know, if you re someone who s super stressed out, you can t get your cortisol levels down.
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You re just constantly stressed out.
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Maybe that one s for me.
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Yeah, yeah, right.
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That s for Michael.
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Exactly.
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I would do the Just Calm product, which is the psychobiotic we were talking about.
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But if you re looking for some real laser sharp focus and being able to concentrate and have a longer attention span and protecting your brain cells, then I would go with the Focus and Memory product.
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But you could take all three of them and they re not going to counteract or imbalance each other, right?
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Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah, they work
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beautifully together.
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The idea is layering on one another.
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The gut probiotic affects the foundational issue, right?
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And then the psychobiotic, if you have stress and anxiety, actually modulates neurological response.
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So if your neurons are too inflamed and fired up because of a lot of anxiety and a lot of sympathetic activity, the calm helps that.
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And then almost everybody needs a focus and memory product, one that s formulated like this, that is nurturing to the brain, right?
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That s the idea.
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It s not stimulating to the brain, it s nurturing to the brain.
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That s what we need.
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What can we do for our kids with your products?
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What are some little tips and tricks, and how would you implement this if we have kids under five?
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Yeah, well, for the probiotic, like you mentioned, you could sprinkle them and mix them with food.
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You could bake with them.
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We ve tested them up to 455 degrees, and they remain completely stable.
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And if your child needs to be on an antibiotic, these also remain stable in the presence of an antibiotic, which is a key point.
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But I would just sprinkle them, and they won t even know that they re there, because they re tasteless, colorless, or odorless.
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Don t even think about going on an antibiotic without a probiotic, by the way.
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That is called yeast infection dot com.
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Sorry, Michael, plug your ears.
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Don t ever even think about taking a probiotic.
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Man, woman, if you have kids on an antibiotic and please tell me if I m wrong.
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This is my own theory.
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You have to balance it with a probiotic.
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You really do.
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Yeah.
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So here s what happens when you take an antibiotic, right?
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So people understand an antibiotic, most broad spectrum antibiotics are like an atom bomb for your gut.
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In fact, there was a study out of Yale that showed that you ve got trillions of organisms in your gut, right?
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Represented by maybe say 150, 200 different species of bacteria, but trillions of organisms.
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You take an antibiotic, broad spectrum antibiotic within the first three hours, you knock down like 98% of all of them.
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Right.
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You start having small representations of each species still left, but you knock down the vast majority of the microbes.
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So you go from a system that is teeming with microbes are nearly sterile in that in that view.
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And then what happens is good thing for us.
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Bacteria bounce back very quickly.
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Right.
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So then after about three and a half hours, the antibiotics gone out of the gut, it s now in the liver and gone to the rest of the body.
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Now the microbes start to come back.
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The problem is
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The ecosystem is now different because prior to the antibiotic, you had a lot of good microbes producing lactic acid.
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So it s an acidic environment that controls who comes back and why the yeast come back fast in the case of antibiotics is yeast don t do well in an acidic environment.
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So part of the way the bacteria control the yeast is by producing lactic acid and keeping the environment acidic.
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Now imagine all those lactic acid bacteria are knocked down.
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Now you have no acid.
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The pH is going up.
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The yeast go, Hey, this is my time to come back.
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They come back faster than the bacteria.
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So every dose of the antibiotic you take keeps skewing what that ecosystem looks like and who gets to win at the end of that.
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Now, if you take a probiotic that functions in the presence of the antibiotic, what happens is that probiotic produces lactic acid for you.
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And that probiotic prevents the growth of certain dysfunctional bacteria as they re trying to come back.
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They stifle their growth and allows your microbiome to look more like how you started when you had the before you had the antibiotic.
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So even if you re on the fence about, should I do a probiotic, which you shouldn t, you should always do a probiotic, but if you re on the fence and you re going to take an antibiotic, whether you have a surgery, you got sick, whatever, like you should definitely then.
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Absolutely.
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That s one time that it should be no questions.
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You know, I mean, they re even doing this in hospitals now.
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Hospitals are so far behind on most modern medicine and research, even in hospitals, they ll give you at the least a yogurt.
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If you re on antibiotics and you re admitted in the hospital, they give you a yogurt because of the antibiotic use.
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I take my probiotic in the morning with hot lemon water.
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Is that approved?
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It is.
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Um, it s good to take it with some food though.
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If that does well for your body, then I would say your next meal, whenever you re, if that, if you re not eating anything at that time, then meal, you should take it, take some with your meal as well.
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I take it at lunch.
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Yeah, that s perfect.
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Works better in the presence of food.
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We ve actually studied that.
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I ll have a sausage link tomorrow.
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I can t eat too much.
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Just like one sausage link with my coffee.
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I am on subscription with you guys because I think that it s most efficient because it just gets delivered straight to my door.
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There is a subscription offer on your site.
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We also got a code from you guys.
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And you get 20% off your order.
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So everyone can go to JustThriveHealth.com and use code SKINNY.
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And I also wanted to mention that we don t have the Focus and Memory on Amazon.
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right now because last time we launched Just Calm, our other brain health supplement, we sold out immediately.
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And plus, you get the coupon code using the code SKINNY on our site at JustThriveHealth.com.
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We ll do a big, cute basket of a bunch of Just Thrive products.
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All you have to do is follow at Just Thrive Health on Instagram and tell us your favorite takeaway.
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There s a lot from this episode on my latest post at Lauren Bostic.
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Where can everyone find you guys?
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Where can we stalk JustThrive?
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Tell us all the things.
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Amazing.
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We could talk to you guys for hours.
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We got to get you on a flight.
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That s right.
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Thank you guys so much.
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Oh my God.
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Michael s court is on a flight.
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I m going to fucking mainline.
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I have stress.
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I am going to literally IV.
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I know when you told me your flight, I have stress for you.
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I will carry the stress until I know you re safe.
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Thank you guys.