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Dana, you take this one, I gotta take this call.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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Melanie Hutzel.
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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This is what it s come to.
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A million Deutschmarks?
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Yeah.
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200 episodes and now he s just, yeah.
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And I m gonna, that thing we talked about the other day, I want in, I ll give you 5%.
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What?
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Anyway, can I talk about our friend, Melanie Hutzel?
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Yes, my friend.
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Melanie Hutzel,
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A great cast member of SNL, 91 and 94.
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I overlapped with her for a couple of years, David for three years.
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She was a powerhouse sketch performer on that show.
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And she s Southern and charming.
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Very likable.
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Very likable.
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She was in the show.
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She still is.
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We talked about the Oh My God sketch she used to do, Delta, Delta, Delta.
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Remember that sketch?
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She did that.
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First of all, two things.
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One is her journey to how she got on the show is very charming and interesting.
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And her relationship with Lauren at that time, we ll talk about that.
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And then we broke down, we broke down my favorite.
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One of my phrases, her epic sketch that she shepherded, she wrote was the Partridge family.
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Versus the Brady Bunch.
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Versus the Brady Bunch.
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It was huge.
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And how she got that mounted.
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Who did you play in that?
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One of my favorite ones ever.
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I was on the drums and I was not happy with it.
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Were you then, which, why was David Cassidy?
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I was Chris Partridge who, I don t know if he s in the credits, he was a fucking, basically a day player.
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They didn t use him, he d be running around scenes with no lines and then they go, Spade, you play him.
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Get on the drums and we ll make sure Sandler and Farley and you all block me.
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Farley was Ruben Kincaid.
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We had Farley.
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It was like 12 people in this sketch.
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We go moment to moment.
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I played David Cassidy in case I didn t get that out.
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It was great.
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It was fun.
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Join Melanie Hutzel.
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Melanie Hutzel is here.
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We ve got our technical issues out of the way.
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Believe it or not.
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Melanie, are you are you a morning DJ?
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She s surrounded by what it looks like.
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She s got four microphones and three pianos.
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Yeah.
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My husband and I, we like to jam, you know, just for for fun.
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As recreation.
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No, my husband is a composer.
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And so we have our he has his little studio down here.
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Sexy.
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I know.
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Isn t it crazy?
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No, we do.
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This used to be our kids playroom.
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Mm hmm.
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And it s now his studio.
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This is where I do my fun self-tape auditions.
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Hello, Melanie.
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SAG-AFTRA.
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Exactly.
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So a lot happens.
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A lot happens in this room.
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Isn t it nice?
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You have some V drums in the background.
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I see virtual drums.
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Yeah.
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Would you like to buy them?
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I already made a bid through Greg Holtzman.
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I made a bid on them.
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It s a whole Wi-Fi thing.
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I know your address.
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No, no, no.
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But I have a keyboard in my house, but I play like a.
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you know, a little kid and guitars.
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And, you know, I do that.
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I do that stuff.
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I know what you do, Dan.
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Oh, my God.
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You said it before I said it.
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She she she she that was literally one of my most favorite.
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sketches ever, along with most of the rest of the world, right?
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It was so dumb.
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Just naive commitment.
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It s either really stupid or really clever.
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It s like the whole idea, you can t get it out of your head.
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Is it different every time?
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Like...
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Oh, by this point, if I m doing stand up and they yell for it at the end, I have the guitar, it s 10 minutes.
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I mean, it just goes.
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It s like 20 minutes of just chop.
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I love that.
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I love that.
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So Melanie Hutzel and I and David actually shared the Saturday Night Live stage from 90 or 91 to 90.
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I left 93, but I was there three years with Melanie, David, maybe four.
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And I watched I ll just cut to one of my favorite things you ve done.
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And I watched it this morning, which was the I looked at it today and I go, that is a perfect sketch.
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Wow.
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Some sketches are like, OK, I can t imagine it being better for what it was trying to do.
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And it is written by Melanie Hutzel and whoever else.
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Wow.
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Brady Bunch versus the Partridge family.
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Susan Day was the host.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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No, that was that was a lot of fun.
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Yeah.
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And that was a lot of fun.
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Tell us how you conceived that.
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David was on drums.
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We were in the party and I was David Cassidy with a guitar.
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So tell us how that came about, that sketch.
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And also real quick, Chris Farley was Ruben Kincaid, which was one of my favorite moments.
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And he grabbed and kissed Julia Sweeney aggressively.
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Right.
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At one point, you know, Chris, he would tend to commit.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Just a little bit.
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Well, you know, Jan Brady was one of the characters that I came to the show with.
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And Marcy Klein was absolutely obsessed with the Brady Bunch.
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So I had that going in my favor.
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Marcy, Marcy, Marcy.
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Marcy, Marcy, Marcy.
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And so I remember that that week, you know, Susan Day was coming.
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And so there was all kinds of talk around around the office.
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And I knew I needed to produce and come up with something cool.
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And and I remember Marcy Klein just kind of like showed up in the in the hallway just at some like weird moment.
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She just appeared and she was like,
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Um, Melanie, as you know, Susan Day is our host this week and, uh, we re expecting a lot and you need to get it done.
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Jesus.
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People don t know because we re supposed to do this.
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You know, it s like radio DJs.
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Uh, Melanie was famous for doing Jan Brady and toured with the Brady bunch.
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Uh, you know, you were, that was your tour after or before?
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Yeah, but kind of before, during and after ish.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I mean, I you know, I say that about Marcy Klein, but the truth is she was a huge part of me getting on the show.
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So thank you, Marcy.
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We love our den mother, the psychiatrist, the go to person, the handholder of the guest host.
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I mean, she was like a big, big presence in those years.
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Oh, absolutely.
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So who cracked the code of like Brady Bunch versus Partridge family?
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It s kind of sitting there.
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It s just you need to put.
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Well, you re you re the Brady Bunch.
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And then Susan Day came in.
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She comes along and then Marcy says her thing.
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And and thankfully, you know, sometimes, you know, some people I think would probably I don t know, I could have just froze up at that point.
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But it felt good for me to have somebody kind of lay it out like this is what is expected and.
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whatever.
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And so when I was growing up, I used to watch the Partridge family and the Brady Bunch back to back, just like we all, just like you do, just like we all did.
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And in my young little, however old mind, watching the
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those shows, I would kind of get the character.
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They were the two shows were so much alike that I would get the characters mixed up.
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And I also had this fantasy that they lived on the same street and knew each other.
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I had a fantasy about Susan Day, too.
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I don t think it was exactly that.
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My wife loved David Cassidy.
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I mean, literally.
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Sure.
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It was unreal.
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But Danny Banducci was doing those like wisecracker lines.
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I thought it was so hilarious.
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So hilarious.
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And so I just decided at first it was going to be some kind of like dream sequence.
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And then it just kind of like went from there and became the battle of the bands.
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Like it just made the most sense.
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And also it was like, you know, I was so excited to do a sketch that included so many people, like almost the whole cast, I think.
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That s always sort of a home run to be like, they love it when the big cast thing, they put it early in the show.
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Half the fun of that is probably, you walk over to desks, you go to offices and go, hey Farley, do you want to play Ruben Kincaid?
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He s like, yeah.
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And then you get to go put everyone in and it s like, you feel like such a big deal for a week.
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And then if people don t know, if you re listening and you don t know, you re sort of your own director, whether you like it or not.
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They have you watching a sketch and you re like, I m watching the sketch rehearse.
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I don t know one fucking thing I m supposed to do.
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I they go, you direct it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You re the director.
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You re in charge of the choreography.
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Pretty much everything.
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Yeah.
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You go meet music and then you go meet with the set design and you go to say they tell you what.
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Yeah.
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Can I just say one thing about watching it today based on that is just
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I didn t realize until watching it today how funny those songs were and so catchy.
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But you had us all in the costumes.
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I had a funny wig on.
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It s always funny right there.
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I m saying I m not a doo doo.
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And we re all smiling and it really just made me laugh.
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And so that starts a sketch off with so much energy, like a band lip syncing with music, David s on the drums.
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Yes.
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And then you guys come in.
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It s almost like West Side Story throwing it down.
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And Nealon had this funny wig was his height.
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And you had all the Brady s there.
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What was Sandler s character in that?
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Because he had a. Adam Sandler was Peter Brady with with the voice.
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And it s time to change.
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And he was he was so great.
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He was you guys were everybody was great.
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But I have to say,
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coming from the Annoyance Theater in Chicago to Saturday Night Live, like, the biggest difference I learned that week is that, guess what?
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Not a lot of rehearsal, you know?
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Like, from the background that I had come from, we would, you know, for a performance like that, we would rehearse for weeks and weeks and weeks.
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And it was just like, you know, we blocked it.
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And then, you know, Saturday, you do the thing doesn t even fucking count.
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Like when you re blocking it, you re just going in this tape on the floor and there goes everyone s just like it s a dead zone.
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Everyone just meandering around eating potato chips.
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You re like, OK, there ll be a couch there.
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That s where tape is.
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Your drums will be over here.
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And everyone just staring off into space.
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You re like, OK, we got it.
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But that doesn t really count as getting it all the smoothness.
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That is that dead zone between Wednesday read through.
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Yeah, I guess you got it right.
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I was tired.
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It s it s going to be on.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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On.
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Yeah.
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It s on.
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You re probably getting notes to whatever trims or little things.
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And also you re going into producer mode.
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You know that he needs a wig.
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We need a guitar and you have people helping you, but you re driving it.
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Yeah.
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And then like to David s point, you run it.
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Thursday with no, just kind of on a floor at the first two times the crew kind of chuckles.
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And by like the seventh or eighth time of just running it, it s just feels dead.
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And then when, and then Friday you do it again with a little more cameras.
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Maybe if you re lucky and no one s laughing and it feels even more dead.
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And then by Saturday afternoon, it s all getting the costumes on and trying to do this rushed thing.
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And so by the time you get to the dress show, the practice show, full tilt.
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Yes.
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You feel like this is a we don t have any chance.
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And then finally you have a fresh audience.
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Yes.
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I always need one more day, one more rehearse, because I ve been on air going, I can t, I don t even know where I m supposed to go.
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What s happening?
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I don t even know my character.
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I did see, not to jump away, but I saw one with us just now was Delta, Delta, Delta and with Woody Harrelson.
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And, and I walk into a scene with Woody and I literally drill a hole in the ground with my eyes to look for my mark.
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It was so unprofessional and embarrassing.
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That s all I saw.
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I go, what am I doing?
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Am I looking for my mark?
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And I hate when people do that in movies, they walk into a scene, look down, then look back up.
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I go, all right, you re on your mark.
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But, but I got scared because I said, oh my God, I just did it.
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It really, it took me out.
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I watched that.
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That one, too, this morning, I did a deep Melanie Hutzel dive, and I thought that was part of your character, kind of just looking down, like being kind of seductive.
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You made it work for the sketch.
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Remember when I go, I mean, we could get your books, get those exam notes and I go, let s meet up later on.
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Seriously, I mean, you can.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I remember that.
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That s so funny.
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No, but literally.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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I just want to finish off your what happened with you with.
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No, I was just listening.
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You listening to you run through like what happens in the process of all that.
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And I m like starting to have a panic attack.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sorry.
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I don t know.
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You know, me along with Sarah Silverman and I think Jay Moore started having panic attacks during Saturday Night Live.
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He does have panic attacks.
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That s right.
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And you should have been having him, too.
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Everyone should have a panic attack.
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If you literally get a handle on what you re doing and how under-rehearsed you are, and then you ve got that many people watching it, it s like, yeah.
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No, it s live theater on drugs.
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It s more normal to have a panic attack.
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If you don t have one, something s wrong.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Jay Moore told me, he goes, Spade, I go, he came on, I didn t know him well, but I said, it is tricky, and maybe the first couple read-throughs, you re just getting your legs,
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even if you have good sketches sometimes, they don t always get on and it feels unfair.
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And he goes, I know the whole drill, dude.
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I ve heard all the stories I got.
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I go, okay.
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I go, I just had a tough time with it.
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And then he goes, first thing is he had a sketch kind of high and read through, I think.
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And then it did pretty well.
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It was sort of like a toss up and it didn t get on.
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And he goes, that s okay.
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That s how it works here.
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And then two shows later, it happened again.
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And then the third show he goes,
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What the fuck is going on?
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I think fucking killed.
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And I go, here we go.
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And then by the fourth one, he had a panic attack.
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And he goes, dude, I m having panic attacks.
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I go, well, it s a little quicker than normal, but yes, we all do.
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You re, you re not feeling any different than anyone.
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Well, what happens is you re on the show a lot on one Saturday, the next Saturday, you re not in it much.
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And then you have well-intended friends on the phone saying they fucked you, man.
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Yeah.
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You re the funniest one.
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I wanted to sing more of you.
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I was not seeing enough of you.
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And it s just like, oh, yeah.
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Nothing that you re saying is helping.
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One time, Lorne brought me in.
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He goes, and I m sure he s done this to every cast member.
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He s sitting there opening his, you know, Lifesavers.
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He goes, you know, David, everyone s going to tell you the funniest one on the show.
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You re not.
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And I go, the first half, I go, they are saying that.
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And then I go, oh.
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He told me that story as well, but it was about you.
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Dana everyone s gonna say set me up But I want it Melanie.
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I want it just because that sketch killed so hard And you let it how did you feel like did you like when you re on the air show?
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And it s happening like with free from your point of view during the air was it like okay?
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This is in its own way peaking right now because that is a great feeling when you know it s gone.
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Well.
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How did you feel personally?
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It s funny that you bring that particular sketch up because that was that was definitely like my favorite sketch that I did on Saturday Night Live.
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It was my favorite moments on the show.
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But at the same time, I I couldn t feel my body.
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It was it was very surreal, very like out of body experience because, you know, it s like I ve been playing to a
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99 seat theater in Chicago called the Annoyance Theater, which, you know, I was one of the co-founding members of that theater.
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And, you know, and you felt like a rock star because it was 100 people in this tiny little room.
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And then all of a sudden you re on national television.
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You think it can t get any bigger, and then it gets a hundred times bigger.
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But the other crazy thing is you go to the wrap party and you re flying on cloud 10, and then the next day they re like, all right, Tom Hanks knows.
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What do you got?
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And you re like, is it over already?
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Like nobody gives a fuck.
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Yeah, what else you got?
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Start over.
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What do you got?
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And he goes, Melanie, you didn t write anything.
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Why not?
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You go, fuck, I m still riding my high from last week.
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Melanie, did you like, because you have an entrance in this sketch.
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Are you behind the slat?
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Are you in character kind of like talking to yourself as Jan Brady?
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Oh my God, you know, are you like, like doing it?
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And then you walk into the scene and try not to think too much.
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I mean, how do you do that?
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Because I ll sometimes try to like, talk to myself under my
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during the commercial break, like, or something to think when I was on SNL.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Or are you like Melanie?
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And then I ll see you in a second.
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Go out.
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Are you kind of like just trying to just be Jan Brady or you just.
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Oh, no, I was definitely in character leading up to that sketch.
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To be honest with you, I can t remember if I had anything else to do in that show.
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It was possibly like the only thing.
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But this is like so random and weird.
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But
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So I had the Jan Brady wig, the little ringlet curls in the front, that was my actual hair.
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And so me doing those curls myself was always a huge sort of crossover from Melanie Hustle to Jan Brady.
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It s like the weirdest thing ever.
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But also when you re waiting to go in, we ve done that with sketches or I have, you re waiting to go in, you re trying to think of it, but it s almost better to be light on those weeks because you re thinking of, you re watching the sketch and you re probably going, all right, is Spade, he s got a line.
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Okay, Dana s good.
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Okay, so far so good.
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You almost can t even think like, oh fuck, I have to go walk into this actual sketch on TV in one second.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And I will say this, I have to hand it to Adam Sandler, that just there on the floor, like before sketches and sometimes after sketches, he would often go, you re going to be awesome.
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You re going to be awesome.
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You re going to be awesome.
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You got this hot.
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So like, don t worry about it.
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You re so funny.
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You re so funny.
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This is probably a terrible impersonation of Adam.
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It s pretty good.
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I don t do Adam.
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I do Adam s character.
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I will.
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Oh, you know, that guy.
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Can I just tell a quick story about Adam, just like for a quick minute?
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Absolutely.
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Oh, yeah.
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Take your time.
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Take your time.
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Well, it s just it s such an insane thing.
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And I don t know if anybody has ever talked about this or if he s ever told this on himself.
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Oh, but OK, little, little, little tidbit, little trivia about Adam Sandler was that he I walked into the women s bathroom one time
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I like it already.
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And there was a dude in the bathroom.
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I m calling my attorney.
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Keep going.
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Was he taking a dump?
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Yeah, that s where he would hide.
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That s where he would go.
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And I was because I could see his big old shoes, like a sweatpants.
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And I was like, oh, I was like, oh, my God, no.
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I was like, Adam.
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And he was like, hello.
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Yeah, no, no, not Adam.
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And I was like, Adam, gross.
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Oh, my God.
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What are you doing?
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It s just be one minute.
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So he did that.
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And then later I called him on and he was like, it s cleaner, cleaner in the girl s bathroom.
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Yeah, that s right.
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Funny.
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I know.
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I think Jeremy Irons did the same thing when he guest hosted.
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No, I m making Melanie.
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I have a question for you.
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I m just using the Louie.
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When you when.
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Now that you re saying it, Susan Day hosting, it seems like why, and I love Susan Day, but why Susan Day then?
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I can t remember.
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Was she in L.A.
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Law?
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I think she was on L.A.
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Law at that time.
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And she was the reason Johnny Carson got mad at me, because we did a Carson on that show.
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Oh.
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And Johnny, I didn t write this part, but apparently Johnny didn t know the Partridge family was off the air.
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So I understand you re on The Partridge Family with David Cassidy.
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How is that show?
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You know, and she d already 15 years ago.
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So you re so uncool.
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Don t blame him.
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Oh, well, anyway, that all goes full circle.
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Absolutely.
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And I was going to say, it s like.
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It s such an interesting thing about impersonations.
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It s such a fine line of like, it can be the greatest thing in the world, or you can really hurt somebody s feelings.
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I know, and I was not aware of it then.
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I m more aware of it now.
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Like, I might hurt that person if I did it on purpose.
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Well, you re just doing it to be funny, even if you really like the person.
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Like, Dana loves Paul McCartney.
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Dana loves all these people, and he does them.
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And you don t know there s a part, because you have to exaggerate an impression,
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and there s a part of the person that probably gets their feelings hurt, but you think, oh, isn t it cool I do you?
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Because you re really getting all the benefit.
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And the person just looks like an asshole.
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No, totally.
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Johnny liked it, but he liked the impression, but that particular one, it tweaked him a little bit.
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And that must have felt absolutely like crazy to have Johnny Carson be upset with you.
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You know, like now that I really think about that, I m like, I cannot even imagine.
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And I want to hear your stories, too, because that s that s SNL either running into a host or whatever.
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Just these surreal moments upon moments upon moments.
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And that would be one of them.
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Like, really?
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No.
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Well, I mean, you know, just surreal.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And
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You know, because I because of my age at the time, I was playing like pretty much any and every young teenage girl that was on television at the time, one of the being Tori Spelling now.
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And then after I had done SNL, I think for a year we were doing the Real Life Brady Bunch here in Los Angeles at the Westwood Playhouse, and she came to see the show.
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And like backstage, everybody was like, Tori Spelling is here.
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She s here.
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Millions of dollars worth.
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And she came up to me after the show and she was like, I love you.
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I think you re really funny.
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Don t even worry about it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that was good.
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And then another particular scenario that I still have, I m haunted by was impersonate impersonating Mayim Bialik because it was just, there were some things about that that
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namely a prosthetic nose, which was so offensive.
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Fuck, we didn t think twice about that back then.
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You just wanted to get a big laugh and then you just are like, oh, that s so funny.
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It works.
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You rarely...
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think, oh, this person.
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When I did that one with Owen Wilson s nose looking like a dick, and then they said, you have to change it between dress and hair, it s exactly a dick.
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And prosthetics was like, okay, okay.
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And then I was in something else and we had to go deal with this other fire we had to put out.
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And I was walking into the sketch going, oh my God, we never fixed this before air.
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So it s like 15 seconds, I go, ah, ah, ah, what can I do?
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So I just go out there and do it.
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And I don t know, I think Owen wasn t in love with that impression anyway, because it was like it was thrown to me.
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It wasn t one of the ones I do.
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It s just like you play him, you know, you do this.
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I was like, I got to know him a little bit through Kevin Nealon before the pandemic and a really nice guy.
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And I asked him about people doing impressions and he has such an interesting cadence.
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It s such a, you know, and I said, well, what do you think of people doing it?
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You know, he s like, well, you know, I really prefer that they wouldn t, you know,
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And I m like, OK, so I don t really do him if he s listening now.
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Owen, we d like to have him on the show.
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But he s such a. But that s a true example.
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I just know him now, so I wouldn t want to hurt him.
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The thing right now is just how to do Joe Biden, because if you do it a little too heavy handed, are you making fun of an elder citizen or or, you know, that one s a little tricky.
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That s a good point.
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And one more thing I ll say about Mayim is that I did sort of hear through the grapevine that, you know, she was a teenager.
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Oh, even worse than that.
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Very different.
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Yeah.
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And I heard that, you know, she really got her feelings hurt and years and years and years went by.
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And I m going to tell the short version version of this.
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Take your time.
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I love these stories.
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We have to kill half.
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No, I really was haunted by it.
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And I felt I felt terrible.
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And my husband is Jewish.
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And but we were just dating at the time.
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We went to a synagogue in Westwood and I saw her.
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And, like, my heart started pounding.
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And I was like, I got to talk to her.
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I got to talk to her.
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And then by the time I got to her, she was already gone.
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And I was like, oh, dang.
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And then, like, another couple of years go by and I actually see her at an audition.
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And we were auditioning for the same role.
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And I can t even remember what that was, but we were sitting on a couch together.
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And she hadn t looked up from her script.
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She s studying her lines or whatever.
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My heart s pounding.
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Oh, I know.
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And then finally, I just I I was like, Mayim.
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And she was like, yeah.
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And she goes, oh, hi.
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And I was like, hey, I just want to say something to you.
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And I said I did an impersonation of you on Saturday Night Live.
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I was not happy about certain things.
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And I just want to I want to apologize to you and say that I m sorry.
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Like I had tears in my eyes and she looked at me and she was like, I release you.
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Oh, that s cool.
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That s funny.
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I know.
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She was like, I release you.
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And then she was like, I m not going to say that.
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I didn t feel that back then, she said.
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But, you know, we can let this go.
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And it was just like so nice.
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And that s such a that s almost like a Star Wars thing.
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I wish Johnny had said that to me.
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I release you.
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I absolve you.
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What?
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Who were you running with then?
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Were you with Beth Cahill and Siobhan?
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Was that sort of your squad?
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Siobhan Fallon, Beth Cahill.
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Betty Cahill.
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She likes to be called Betty now.
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Betty Cahill, hi!
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Betty Cahill, really?
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BC?
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Yeah, Betty Cahill.
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Julia Sweeney was in there.
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Yeah.
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Julia Sweeney, Beth Cahill, Siobhan Fallon.
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Yeah, those were my crew.
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Ellen Cleghorn.
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Ellen Cleghorn.
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I loved Ellen.
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I love Ellen now.
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When you met Lorne, this is kind of a funny question, maybe it s got no good answer, but how long did you wait to meet him?
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So when I was working at the Annoyance Theater, we were doing the Real Eye Brady Bunch and we were also doing a show called the Miss Vagina Pageant, which was obviously, you know, we were making fun of beauty pageants and the objectification of women.
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Is that what they do?
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I m sorry, what is that what those do in those beauty pageants?
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I guess they do.
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I never thought of it that way.
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Yeah, a little bit, David.
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But anyway, we had created this hilarious show.
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It was all women and so much fun.
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And that was that s when I sort of developed the sorority character and played Miss Tennessee.
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And so
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You know, SNL scouts were coming through Chicago and, you know, they always go to the typical places.
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They go to ImprovOlympic.
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They go to Second City.
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But there was an ad in the paper for the show called the Miss Vagina Pageant.
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They were like, oh.
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a comedy with all women.
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Let s go see see this.
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Oh, that s cool.
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They did a deep dive.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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That sounds like Kismet or something s going on here.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so Beth Cahill was in that show.
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Kate Flannery was in that show.
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Susan Messing, just so many people.
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And so over a period of time, like every week for a while, there was a different SNL scout
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coming to see the Real Eye Brady Bunch and the Miss Vagina Pageant.
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And so then the next thing we know, and we re just this tiny theater, our artistic director, Nick Napier, was just all about the work.
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Uh, do you know someone s there?
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We knew that there were scouts.
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Yeah.
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We knew that there were scouts.
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And, um, so anyway, like this one, I m getting nervous.
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I m nervous.
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So this one week, uh, Mick gets a call and we find out that, uh, Lauren Michaels wants to come see the Miss Vagina pageant.
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And the man, but he can only come see it on a Wednesday night at midnight.
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I was about to say Wednesday at nine a.m.. And he and he would be bringing his friend Quincy Jones.
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Wow.
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Perfect.
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He brought Cher when I auditioned.
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He always brings the biggest celebrity.
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So she deals with the pressure.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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And so, wow.
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You know, there was like all this weird talk of like, you know,
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People just felt weird about.
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Putting on the show at midnight, like, I don t know.
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No, it sucks.
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It s too late.
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It was just a strange feeling.
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And then finally, like it s like, oh, no, we re doing it.
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We re going to do the midnight show for Lauren.
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Yeah.
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And so we got that together.
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We invited every friend and friend of a friend of a friend to come to this midnight show.
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And and he was there.
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He was there in the front row with Quincy Jones watching this.
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you know, crazy show with all these women.
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And then from there, we found out that four of us would be going to lunch with Lorne and Mike Shoemaker the next day.
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Mike Shoemaker, Mike Shroomtaker, now a producer on Seth Meyers.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And then three out of the four were flown to New York.
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Oh, after the lunch, one fell out of the lunch.
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Oh, one fell out over the water.
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Too many crab cakes.
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Oh, what a drag.
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And also you didn t use a napkin.
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Hmm.
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Sorry, go ahead.
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Wrong fork.
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So I remember after the lunch finding out that Lauren wanted to talk to me and have a conversation.
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And so we literally walked along Lake Michigan together.
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And I remember one of the first questions he asked me was, what are your parents do?
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He asked me what my mom and dad did.
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And I was like, very Lauren.
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I know.
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And it was, it was, there was something kind of sweet about it, you know, and I was like, well, my dad works at Alcoa aluminum company and my mom is a hairdresser and.
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And I was just like, and then I was like, uh, I just want to say right now that I want this more than anything.
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And if, if I were to get this job, I would work harder.
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I mean, literally said that.
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Oh wow.
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Anyone says that?
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That s a good thing to say.
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I ve never heard of anyone saying that thinking it, but that s good.
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It really, it s good.
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You said it shows you probably it came off so genuine.
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It just kind of came out.
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It just kind of that s like out of a movie that that s like Norma Rae or something.
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If I get this job, I ll work harder.
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I mean, can you remember exactly what you said?
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Like the phrasing?
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I ll do Lauren.
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So what do you what do you what do you what do you think about the show?
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I mean, you might want to be part of it.
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Are you OK with being famous?
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Lauren, if you were to give me this job, I I want just please understand I want this more than anything in the world.
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And I know you ve probably heard that a lot from a lot of other people, but I will I ll work harder than I ve ever worked in my whole life.
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And you won t regret it.
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OK, that long, long pause.
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And then Lauren says, right.
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We re going to go get some mini tacos at the Four Seasons Bar.
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It s always a walk, Dana.
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Lorne goes, come by the BH Hotel, maybe take a walk.
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I go, OK.
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And I walk and he goes this way.
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We re walking.
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And now it starts getting dark.
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I go, are we fucking lost?
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He walks so far.
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I m like, Lorne, I don t even know if we re in BH anymore.
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And he s like, this way, take a right.
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He has the 10,000 step thing going.
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I was at the Beverly Hills Hotel with him, like maybe a couple of years ago.
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And I m driving off and he goes, I go, where are you going?
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He s just walking.
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Well, I haven t got my 10,000 steps.
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But Lauren is a touchstone for all of us as well.
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The most eccentric, brilliant, like there s only one Lauren Michaels.
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That s why everyone does an impression.
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Do you have any kind of little bit of impression at all, Melanie?
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My impression is of your impression.
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It s just, yeah, it s just very,
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you know, like once you break the code, it s just there s a lot of little different ways to do it.
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Some people do it very, very shy, you know.
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Yeah.
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Others are like it s really like fucking good.
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You know, he has a lot of these different rhythms.
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But, you know, I did meet with him every once in a while, like, you know, in his office, in his office.
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Just you two.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Just the two of us.
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I you know, I often
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had it in my heart to talk to him about, you know, maybe maybe the women needed a little more airtime type situation, which was when I really look back on that, like it was.
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You know, I had a lot of guts.
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You are Norma Rae.
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You re you re so honest.
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No, I love it.
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I mean, we re unionizing the women on the show.
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What?
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Yeah, I talked to Lauren about that because I and we talked to Anna Gosteyer about it and she said that it just sort of was reflecting society.
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changes in that from the knots forward, there was just more women were getting more airtime and doing more stuff.
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And now eventually the women are playing men like Ted Cruz and stuff.
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So you were definitely in that pre era of when it was a little, it was harder.
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It was definitely a club, a subject that we, that was brought up a lot.
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I remember that.
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I remember we, we did gap girls.
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There was a, I think Julia was a little sideways about now they re playing girls and we don t have enough
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and it was like, oof, I get what she s saying.
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I mean, I get it all.
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It s such a tough place, because it s every man for himself, and everybody wants to be on.
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Every woman, yeah.
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And if it s not treated fairly, there s almost so much you can do, there s only so much you can do, and it s all up to everybody above us.
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And it s hard to have a heart-to-heart with Lorne, and it s hard to go to Lorne and say a complaint, in quotes, or a fix, or something you d love to discuss that s a legitimate problem.
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It takes balls to even do that.
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But man or woman, he definitely likes sketches where a lot of people were active.
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And that s why I just fell into church chat accidentally, but then I had Jan Hooks doing Tammy Faye Baker.
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Yes.
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And you love to always have Jan in a sketch because she s revered.
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That s the thing, it s like chemistry between two people is, you know, that s golden on a live TV show, but it can t be forced.
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It has to come organically and, you know,
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Um, anyways, I don t know where I was going.
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Well, who did you connect with the most on the show?
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Did you, you and Beth, Beth was there one year, but did you have people that you were kind of, uh, like sort of buddies with on the show that you would hang out with the most?
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And well, I think that was the thing.
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I mean, you know, I look back on you and Jan hooks and David, you and Chris Farley and you and all the other guys, you guys had like this chemistry.
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And so.
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Yes, to answer your question, the people that I had chemistry with were Siobhan and Betty Cahill.
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Ellen Clegghorn and I tried, we tried for years.
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To get a thing, right?
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To get a thing going.
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And it just, it s one of our biggest regrets, or I should speak for myself.
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It s one of my biggest regrets is that that never happened.
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But it wasn t that we didn t try.
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So, you know, that s what was interesting about my time on the show was that after that first year, I didn t have Beth and Siobhan anymore.
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And they had left.
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And so then you re kind of looking to other people, Julia Sweeney and some of the guys.
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Where do I fit in?
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Yeah.
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Where do I fit in?
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Because there was the older set, Dana.
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No, you re right.
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No, we were the veterans.
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And then and then the I call them the junior varsity.
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But the new people came in for the first time where you had a cast and then another cast, like, you know, another team ready to go.
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because Lauren didn t want a cast to leave en masse.
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So he wanted trainees, so to speak.
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So that was a very intense time to be on Saturday Night Live, I think, in the early 90s because of all that.
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I was shadowing Dana like someone in Arby s or something.
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I was like, I m going to I go behind Dana, just watch what he does and go, OK, when you do it, you got to go like this.
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You go out there and kill.
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And I m like, God,
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When Lauren wanted to mess with you, David s ready any time, because David would sit behind me and read through.
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I mean, you re right.
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It was an interesting time.
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And, you know, I always sort of looked to the older, you know, all of you guys, you, Dana, and of course, Phil and Kevin Nealon.
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You know, sort of as like this anchor for the show, you guys were settled and had been around.
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Well, we had 100 shows under our belt, which is such a hard show to get relaxed to do.
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You know, Dana, I was watching you on Saturday Night Live when I was in high school.
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And then you re there.
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And yeah.
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And in college, like, you know, we did a we did a show at the University of Tennessee called All Night Theater.
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And my friend Mark Rowe.
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Oh, I played Tammy Faye Baker.
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He played Jim Baker at like three o clock in the morning.
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And so we were copying you and Jan.
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Which is what the way I would have thought is like, Jan, Tammy Faye Baker has a sister that she never met.
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And then you have dueling Tammy Faye s sketch stuff like that.
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Do you remember a dumb sketch where you, I don t know why I remember this because it was famous people who sing with their dead relatives and you were Tammy Wynette, I think.
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Yeah.
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And they go, I m not dead.
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And you go, I m actually not dead.
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And I go, that s how rumors get started.
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This is how rumors get started.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I remember it because someone, I think Natalie Cole came out with Nat King Cole.
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Oh, yes.
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And so we did a whole thing of,
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And Chris Farley.
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Who did Chris Farley play?
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Oh, my God.
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It was so funny.
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But anyway, anyway, I that one just stuck out my head because I thought, oh, is there any impression you didn t ever get to do that you wish you got to do?
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Hmm.
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Or is there something that came up years later, we were like, oh, our character.
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That s a good question.
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A French chef, an Italian waitress.
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Dana, you could probably do every president since and that would have been fun.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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You know, I always wanted to do, I had all these like Southern characters that I wanted to do that I would bring to the, to the tape reef.
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Paula Deen, Paula Deen, Paula Deen.
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Yes.
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Yet.
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But I remember there was the sketch.
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I don t remember that much about it, but Steve Korn and I had written it together.
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Writer.
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And it was just called The Country Christmas Show.
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And I remember that Glenn Close was going to be in it with me.
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Glenn Close, yeah.
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And I remember the song and this is how it went.
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Oh, good.
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Ready?
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This is how the beginning song song went.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome to my country Christmas show.
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Hi, I m Jenny.
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Jenny Jean.
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Jenny Jean tight jeans.
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Welcome.
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It s already catchy.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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Welcome.
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So yes, I remember the song.
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That s all I remember.
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We talked to Tom Hanks and he remembered the whole subway surfing song of a sketch we did that I was in and I helped him write.
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And I did not remember one line from it.
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And it got cut.
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Right.
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It got cut.
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And he sang the whole song.
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We sang the whole song.
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Just remember that day.
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And I was like, yeah, that was weird.
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Isn t it so crazy, like, what you remember and what you don t remember and then what other people, like, will point out to you?
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Like, it kind of makes me worry about my brain a little bit every once in a while, but I do have a memory about Tom Hanks.
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When Tom Hanks was on the show, and all of this was so, you know, obviously,
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surreal and weird, like talking to these famous people.
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Yes, for all of us.
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Yeah, for all of us.
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And I remember.
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It was just like, you know, that those weird hours on Tuesday night when everybody s writing their sketches and all stressed out and he s just kind of like walking from office to office, just having fun, figuring out what everybody s going to be doing.
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And he was just like he looked at me and he was just like,
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Man, he goes, you re set.
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You re all set.
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He goes, you re going to do your sorority girl movie.
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I love it.
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It s going to be awesome.
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And, you know, like you re you ve got your career and it s just come from Adam Sandler s office.
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So they just had this thing of supporting Melanie.
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I know.
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And I thought that was so nice of him to say it never happened.
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But
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Well, he wanted to be a cast member.
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He s the least pretentious.
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I don t know what you would call him.
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Superstar.
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I don t know what you could call him today.
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I don t know.
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Megastar.
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But he just has no pretense about it.
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No pretense.
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And, you know, somebody else that was like that was John Goodman.
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Oh, yeah, I love he did the show a couple of times within the three years that I was there.
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And I remember the second time he came around, like he asked me, how s Claudia and Steve doing?
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That s my mom and dad.
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And I was like, he remembers my parents names like.
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That s so nice.
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That s next level.
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The talent to cold read 50 scripts essentially on Wednesday as a host and certain ones really stood out.
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I mean, John Goodman would make in the moment changes or, you know, you get just a bare note, but he was
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He was a brilliant, cold reader.
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So was Danny DeVito, Hanks.
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So was Alec Baldwin.
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Fantastic.
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Alec Baldwin, which maybe you ll relate to this.
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I think I ve said this before, but Victoria Jackson would, because he would host occasionally and she goes, not going to happen this week.
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I go, what?
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I m not going to fall in love with him.
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I m not going to fall in love with him.
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OK.
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And then by Friday, she go fell in love with him.
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Oh, yeah.
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His eyes.
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She said she couldn t look at his eyes because they were so blue.
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Once I saw them, I was in love.
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No.
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Oh, that is OK.
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I ll I ll I ll speak to that.
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He did.
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Alec Baldwin came into my office and I I couldn t talk.
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Like he is.
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I literally couldn t.
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I felt like he was so good looking and so famous.
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And yeah, I was like when Sharon Stone was there and all the guys were freaking out and Sharon Stone comes in her slinky dress, comes into your office.
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Hi.
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So sweet.
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Everyone was like, God damn, no one this pretty and famous will ever be in my.
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little room again and offices of people no are so tiny and gross they re just like a gross couch that s been there since tim kassarinsky and everyone is like sitting on the same couch year after year and they re like hey and they come in there and some people is being like superstar you know you like holy shit.
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Oh, yeah.
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I did a movie with Anthony Hopkins once and just meeting him in this little room in this haunted hotel with Alan Parker.
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And he was so intense in that voice.
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It s like, put a camera on this.
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But I remember Lorne Michaels speaking of beauty.
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Paulina Porizkova came in on my first show.
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just to hang out, I guess.
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And, uh, she was sitting in the, in the read through and she kind of looked like she had a mask on, you know, and it was fun to ask her, what is it like to be you this nice?
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You know, but I remember Lauren saying, you can t marry a face.
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Oh, eventually there s like that thing you get used to the face and then, then you need another face.
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But yeah, those people that are so charismatic, put a fucking camera on them.
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I mean, I just feel like there s nothing to me.
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I m like paper.
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I just need a wig or an accent or something.
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I m like the invisible man.
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David has a great voice.
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He doesn t think I, I think he does, but.
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You know, I think you said it twice, so now I believe you, but.
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You have a voice.
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Fred Wolf and I talked about that.
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You have a cool voice, like an interesting voice.
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You do have a cool and interesting voice.
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And I think that, you know, when you said that, it kind of makes me think about like the stand ups, you know, the the cast was comprised of stand ups.
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And then you have the people with the improv background.
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Right.
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And David, you did, you know, stand up.
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I don t know how long leading up to Saturday Night Live.
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And then you come on.
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you d been out there for several years.
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Yep.
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Several years.
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And then you have to do characters.
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Right.
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But and then, Dana, Dana, you are so amazing at characters and also did stand up.
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So so I think I don t know.
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It s something that I ve thought about a lot of just like.
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I feel like a lot of times people who were stand ups that came to the show had a better ability to sort of like
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protect themselves and and look after themselves, you know, to whereas people from an improv background, it s like we re all in this together.
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And I m not and I m not saying that stand ups aren t like team players.
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Well, look, OK, you finish your thought.
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But I have a thought about that.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, it s like I
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If somebody were watching me on the show, there s no way that they had any idea who I was as a person, because I was always doing a character.
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And David, when you would go on News Update or whatever,
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people we could see David.
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Yeah, we could see who you were.
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I mean, I learned that s why I never thought I d be on the show, because quickly, Dana, I just was thinking I barely was doing stand up and writing stand up and trying to get good at that.
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I was a middle.
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I wasn t even a headliner.
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So to go on the show, it s a whole new muscle to learn.
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I wish I could have taken a year of classes of improv to go.
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Here s how you do it with these people.
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And here s how you write sketches and get immersed in characters.
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I think I just resigned myself
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I wasn t gonna be as good as Dana and all these guys and Phil, so I said, I like the Bill Murray type.
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Not in any way am I as good as Bill Murray, but he was always a little bit of Bill Murray in his sketches.
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And I said, I think that s the best I can hope for.
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I m sort of a version of myself.
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And when I had a Hollywood Minute, Lorne was like, do that more.
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I think he knew I wasn t gonna be doing crazy characters.
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He finally said, just be a version of yourself and that will be easier life for you.
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So my only thing to add to this is that when you re coming up through stand-up, the dog-eat-dog world and the survival mechanism of stand-up, the Friday night late show where the middle act is trying to knock you off your pedestal and you gotta do an hour to drunk people, it s an emotionally violent sport.
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SNL is in a different way.
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So you re coming from that thing that I must kill.
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Every time, all the time.
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And there s good and bad that comes with that.
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It took me, by the time I was doing Carson, I was relaxed, I wasn t pushing.
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But my standard in my head of the amount of laughs I should get was like that of a standup.
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But I didn t realize till later, doing standup in small clubs recently with my sons, that I was a sketch player the whole time.
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There was just no groundlings in San Francisco.
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All my bits were character-driven.
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which was kind of hard to land, but good in a small room.
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But I do feel like the stand-ups have a dog-eat-dog sort of survival instinct of to kill.
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And then we learn to be sketch players and play well with others.
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You know, you don t ever, when you re out there with your friend, you want to play fair, not undercut or overlap.
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And, you know, with Hans and Franz, you know, I had my friend there with Mike and I in Wayne s World, with Phil and I at Carson.
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Sandler and I doing the Pepper Boy when I host it.
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So there was such a high for me of getting used to the idea of being in something where someone else is supporting me or when Jan Hooks would do her thing and really loving that.
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But when you re a lone gunslinger, you re like, I got to kill and I got to be funnier than the other guy.
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So that s all I had to add.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It s like, you know, when you re when you re by yourself, you don t have anybody else to blame for not getting the laughs or whatever.
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And so, yeah.
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And the other thing about the stand ups is like once you re off the show, you have that to go back to right away.
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and make money, right?
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Yes.
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And you go right back into your craft.
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And so for me, after I came off of SNL, I went back to improv theater and that paid the bills.
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Yeah, it s a different check.
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Yeah.
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It s a different it s a different thing.
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But I did do that when I when I moved out.
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So that s OK.
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Of course.
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I mean, that s what you re good at.
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That s what got you where you were.
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It s like you got to stay out there.
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And that s a good way to be to constantly be in front of people.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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And I miss it like crazy right now.
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And I m hoping to get back into the Corona stuff.
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Kill that.
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You know, no one thought there would be anything negative about covid.
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But there is there is a couple of things.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I know.
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Everyone thought it was going to be so great and it wasn t.
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No, I know.
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Everybody thought it was going to be great.
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Melanie, I don t know if you have anything else to add.
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This is very interesting conversation.
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Thank you for having it with us.
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Yeah, I mean, this is illuminating.
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You know, I love hearing how people navigated that and how honest you were with Lauren in two ways.
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And I would say that
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You were powerful as a performer when you chose to be.
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I mean, you had a really, you had a lot of commitment and strength.
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And that that room is kind of a rock and roll room because all the ambient noise and stuff.
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So you do have to like, you know, project.
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And you had a lot of power and you were so funny.
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And it was so very interesting just hearing your journey through that, that land.
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Well, thank you.
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Thank you for saying that and thank you both for having me on your new podcast.
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It means a lot to me and it s so great to see both of you and you both meant different things to me at the time when we were kind of like all going through it together.
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Yeah, I mean, you re exactly the way I remembered you as so genuine.
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She looks exactly the same, maybe one year younger.
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First of all, I just wanted to say there s a Dorian Gray thing going on here with Melanie, but that s okay.
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The time machine worked perfect.
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I don t know how you re staying so youthful.
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That s very nice.
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But you came out very genuine then.
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I mean, I was in my own kind of surreal world doing Ross Perot and all these things, but I do remember how just genuine and real you were as a person.
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person.
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And there you are so pleasure.
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That is so nice.
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It s a it s a pleasure to see you guys and you know I miss it, you know, it s like what once you do Saturday Saturday night live.
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How do you.
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How do you follow that?
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You know, it s it s just kind of like it s in your it s in your being and your spirit.
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And it s like the one thing that everybody in the world wants to talk to you about.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, when I think about live TV,
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You know, there is nothing in the world, not even childbirth, honestly, that will bring you to the present moment in such a way that is so powerful and
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It s just, you know, the three of us are, uh, we are three of 156 people in the world that were on that show.
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I didn t, I didn t, I didn t know that statistic on my own.
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Uh, I was listening to, uh, Bobby Moynihan was talking to Mayim Bialik on her podcast.
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And he said that that s interesting.
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Oh, well, he actually said, what how many of us are there, like one hundred and fifty?
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Like, I don t know.
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And then my husband, Fred, Fred looks it up.
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Yeah.
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And so it s like one hundred fifty six people.
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He was good guys, you know.
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So it s it s just crazy to really think about that.
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And it s something that I look back on.
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Fondly, there were
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hard things about it.
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There were awesome things about it.
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It was a dream come true.
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And I don t know.
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That s all I really have to say about it.
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Oh, positive.
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Oh, you get wisdom when you as you go on and you substitute any kind of bitterness or regret with gratitude.
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How lucky was I to get on that silly show?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That s that s a good that s yes.
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I agree with your assessment.
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But I do.
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I enjoy when I go back there sometimes and do a guest spot.
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It s never the same because you kind of see.
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But it it is a one off experience.
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So that s hence our little podcast, which is fun to hear the human side of this to the effect on people s lives.
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But anyway,
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You ve been awesome.
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We don t know how to wrap things up because we re not professional.
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It s hard to know how to wrap things up.
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It s all right.
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We did a good job.
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Yeah, we did.
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It s so great to see you both.
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You too, hon.
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Be well.
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I hope we run into each other in L.A.
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at some club or some little theater.
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Sure.
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Why not?
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Sounds good.
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Oh, my God.
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It s Melanie.
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Oh, my God.
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Oh, my God.
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