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Hey folks, it s Lyle.
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Alright, let s get into the episode.
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Hello?
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Hi!
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Is this Therapy Gecko?
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Yeah, who s this?
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Oh my god, uh...
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My name is Anna.
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Uh, sorry.
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I m so nervous.
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No, no, no, no.
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Don t be nervous, man.
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This is, uh, this ll be fun.
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This ll be a good time, dude.
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What s, uh, have we ever spoken before, Anna?
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Um, no, actually I have, um, I have an interesting story to tell you about how I was actually supposed to see you for the first time.
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Um, I was, um, I was at electric forest.
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Um, and, um,
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Me and my boyfriend, we were looking at the schedule and everything, and we were trying to figure out who we were going to see.
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And we saw your name, and we had no context.
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And I was like, who is this?
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Is this a therapist on stage?
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And we were just like, what is going on?
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So we re like, OK, we ve got to go see it.
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And I guess the reason also for my call is I kind of have a weird crush slash sexual thing.
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on the Geico Gecko.
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I don t, I don t really know why.
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But anyways, point is, I was like, maybe it s something like that.
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I guess long story short, we ended up taking too many mushrooms.
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And I was just like, tripping out way too bad.
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I was too scared to see you like, you had a big crowd.
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I was just like, I don t know, like,
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I just didn t want you to scare me.
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Um, so, uh, we missed your set, but we saw you, we saw you the second night and it was amazing.
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And I m a, I m a huge fan now.
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So.
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You have a what on the Geico Gecko?
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So it s, I think it started as like a crush as like a little kid.
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Like I remember like getting newspapers and like cutting out his picture and like putting them on my notebooks and stuff.
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Um, and it s just kind of stuck with me.
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And like, I think over the years, it s kind of developed, like, obviously, like, I don t want to like, I m, I don t want to fuck geckos.
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Okay.
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But like, I don t know what it is.
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Like, I just, I don t know what it is about him.
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Like, there s something that just, I mean, do you feel it all the same way when you see him?
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Like even a little bit?
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Are you being 100% serious with me right now?
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No, I m literally like, I, I, my nickname is the lizard King.
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Like I I m dead serious.
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So you, but so earlier you said it was kind of a sexual thing.
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So like, that s the thing.
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Like my boyfriend s like, do you want me to get a gecko costume and like wear that?
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And I m like, Oh no, no.
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Like, like, that s the thing.
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Like, I don t know.
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It s just.
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Maybe it s his voice or something like, I don t know, the guy s just, I don t know, he just does something for me and I don t know what it is but that s the thing.
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I don t look at lizards on the ground, I m like hot for them, you know what I mean?
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But something about Geico Gecko, I don t know what it is but he does it for me.
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What is it about him that you find attractive?
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You know, I don t know.
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I think it s his demeanor.
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Like he carries himself a certain way and he s very confident and speaks like eloquently.
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Um, you know, he s charismatic.
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It s his personality, honestly.
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Like you have a great personality.
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Um, so like, I just, I don t know.
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I think, I think that s just very like charming about him.
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Um, so yeah.
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I know this probably sounds crazy.
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I ve never told anybody this outside of my partner.
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So, um, I guess I m, I guess I m hearing for the first time, kind of like how crazy it sounds saying it to somebody else.
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Do you have an attraction to any other fictional characters?
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No, no, just like, and that s the thing, like, it s just him and it s always been him.
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Um, you know,
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I mean, sometimes like I ll see like, you know, you ll see those like memes of like raccoons and stuff.
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And like, they have a nice booty, but like, that s just like, you know, like that s a joke though.
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But that s not like, trust me, like, I m not like, I m not, I m not a weirdo.
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Okay.
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I m not into like, bestiality.
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Like, I just want to make that very clear.
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So people are like, she s like, what the fuck animals and stuff.
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That s not what this is about at all.
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Okay.
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Trust me.
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It s just something about it.
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Him just like, doesn t for me.
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So you would, so you re saying that you would go on a date with him, but nothing further than that.
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Yeah.
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Like, um, I don t know.
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I mean, I guess like we would see where it would go, but like definitely like a date and like, I would be proud to like bring them home to my parents, you know, that kind of thing.
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Like, um,
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I don t know like I mean I guess like when you think about like Stuart Little like I just watched it on the plane the other day and that s just kind of wild like they adopted a mouse and no one said anything about it really so like you know I would be I would be okay with dating him yeah.
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So it s just the Geico Gecko not like lizards in general?
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No I mean I
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I do like lizards, like don t get me wrong.
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Like I said, my nickname is the lizard king, but that s, that s like, that s just it.
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Like, you know, it s just, I don t know, it s just him.
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And it s like, not, not really anything else.
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I guess, like, what do you think I should do about this?
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Because I like, I don t know, is it just something I just like, don t ever tell anyone else again?
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Or like, you know,
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Is this a bad thought to have?
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I don t know.
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Have you ever talked to a therapist about this?
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I actually have therapy tomorrow morning, so maybe I ll bring it up.
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Maybe this will give me the confidence to talk to a real therapist about this, but have not yet, no.
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Okay, I think you probably should.
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You think it s like bad?
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Or I guess like?
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Have you ever in your life purchased or owned a lizard?
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No.
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And I don t think I would honestly.
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Like, I just I don t know.
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Sometimes they kind of they can kind of scare you a little bit like that thing.
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Like I was scared of you initially.
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Like I was like, I was tripping too bad.
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But I was like,
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It s a life-sized lizard.
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I was just too scared to go to the stage.
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And I was like, we gotta go.
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Do you see any lizard-like qualities in your current partner?
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No, I guess not.
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That s kind of a bummer.
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But maybe that s for the best.
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I don t know.
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You know the Geico lizard has a name, right?
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I feel like I read it on like a Reddit thread when I was doing this like deep dive once, but I don t remember.
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Do you know it?
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This is embarrassing.
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I should know, but do you know it?
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Uh, yeah, his name is Martin.
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Martin.
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Oh, he doesn t really look like a Martin, but okay.
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Maybe you re just attracted to British accents.
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I don t know.
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I mean, like, you know, that s like, that s so cliche, but like I said, it s like his demeanor, like the way he carries himself,
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very confident, you know, like, like, have you seen the latest commercial where he s like eating the
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barbecue wings and he s like, spicy or like whatever he says.
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And it s just like, how can you like not look at that or watch that and be like, that s adorable.
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Like, I don t know.
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You know what I mean?
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See, I feel like you could talk to your boyfriend and find out that he has an attraction to, um, the general from the general insurance.
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And then you can wear a big mustache and a helmet and he can wear a gecko costume.
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I really hope he, uh, he definitely, I think that would be a deal breaker for me.
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And that s, I feel like the general was creepy, but, uh, I will ask him after this.
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Wait, so it s a deal breaker for him to like the general general, but okay.
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For you to like the Geico gecko.
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Okay, I get that that sounds hypocritical, but I get weird vibes from the General.
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I don t know, maybe that s just me, but I think you would be hard-pressed to get weird vibes from the Geico Gecko, and maybe I m biased, but I don t know.
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I guess the General, I mean, I don t know.
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Yeah, he gives me weird vibes.
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I don t know, I think Geico Gecko general roleplay would be pretty gross but funny.
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Yeah, I ll ask him after this and I guess I ll see where it goes from there.
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What s your name again?
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Anna?
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The Lizard King.
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Anna the Lizard King.
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Hmm.
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Well, I m glad you liked the Electric Forest show.
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You came to the second one.
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What was going on?
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I forget what happened.
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Yeah, I... The guy, he ate the ashes of one of their friends.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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He thought it was his friend s cat or something.
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Yeah.
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It was a good set.
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Fun times.
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Good.
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I m glad you liked it.
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I ll be back next year, hopefully.
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Awesome.
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Awesome.
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I guess also real quick, I have a question for you.
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Yo, what s up?
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Hit me, hit me, hit me.
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Um, so like, like I said, after Electric Force, I ve been like listening to you like all the time.
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Like I, I love your show.
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Um, there is no way you can convince me that you are only 25.
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Like, I don t know whose identity you stole or whatever.
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Why is the confidence and like the confidence and wisdom and, you know, appearance of like 30 plus?
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Like, I don t know.
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Like, I ve never met a 25 year old who like you like you have like, you have like this life
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Experience and depth and knowledge and every time I listen to you.
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I m like, there s no way this guy s 25.
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No way I m 27 and I was like no way So we re on to you get You want to know something crazy Yeah.
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Oh The shit I was gonna say that the guy could I was gonna say the guy called Gecko is only probably 13 But I googled it.
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It s that he s actually 87.
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I
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Wait, that s not true.
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Wait, yeah, no, the Geico Gecko is, um... 23.
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So... Yeah, he s probably dead by now.
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Um... No, I appreciate you saying all those kind things, um... I- I m... I m very flattered that I come off that way, um... I feel like an idiot.
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I feel like I have no idea what I m doing.
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I hope, uh... I don t know, but, uh... I m glad- I m glad I appre- I appreciate, uh... That- that I come off... good.
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I think I m... kinda stupid, but, uh...
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I m trying, man.
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I m trying.
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Yeah, I m only 25.
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I started doing this when I was 22.
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And I m trying to have some life experiences.
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I m trying to make the most out of my life.
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Sometimes I do feel like I m too young to do this.
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But then again, I don t know.
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There s people younger than me who are doing things similar to this, but with a lot more sincerity to them.
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That I m like well, okay if I 21 year old can be like hey everyone sign up for my life coaching program where I m gonna teach you all I m gonna where he actually where he actually stands up and goes I m gonna give everybody advice because I know things and I m Smart and so pay me $5,000 and take my course.
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I m like well if I
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Some 20 year olds can do that.
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I can, you know, I feel empowered to do a podcast where I m like, I m a dumbass in a gecko costume, but call me and we ll talk about whatever, you know?
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So I guess, I guess I get some confidence from that.
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I mean, it s very authentic.
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Like, that s the thing.
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Like, like I said, every time I listen to you, I m like, there s no way this guy s 25, not fooling me.
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Um, so you should believe in yourself more, you know?
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Thanks.
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I m beginning to realize I have low self-esteem.
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So I appreciate the kind words.
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But my self-esteem grows every year, I think.
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I think every year I feel a little bit less shitty.
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Well, that s good.
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I mean, that s the goal in life, you know.
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What?
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To feel less shitty?
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Yeah, I mean, eventually I feel like we all kind of start out in teen, teen angst, you know, and shitty feeling and feeling like the world sucks.
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And I mean, the goal obviously is, you know, happiness.
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And like, as we go through life and we have, you know, trials and tribulations, like, you know, we just want to like, feel good about ourselves and believe in ourselves.
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And I think, you know, obviously some people like it takes a lot longer to get there.
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I don t know if everybody s goal is to feel good about themselves.
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What about, um, masochists?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, hmm.
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Yeah.
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What about, what about those guys that pay women like a thousand dollars to like step on them and feed them their shit?
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What about those guys?
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But they see like on the outside and like the surface level, you would think like, yeah, like they don t want to feel good about themselves or whatever.
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And they want to feel degraded.
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But like, I think by like, isn t it by like feeling degraded, like that s what makes them feel good.
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You know what I mean?
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That s smart.
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That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Would you pay the Geico Gecko $1,000 to eat his shit?
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What?
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Oh my god, like, no, that s sick.
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Did I just ruin your entire perception of me in that one question?
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No, no, trust me, but I just, like, it s a crush.
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Like, it s a very, like, innocent crush.
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Like, I m not having, like, sexual fantasies at night about him.
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Like, you know,
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I would explore where we go, but like, that s not, I just want to make that like extra clear for anyone who s like, maybe she would.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Trust me.
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No.
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You know, I don t know.
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Here s the thing.
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Obviously, obviously it s wrong to have sex with animals, but is it wrong to be sexually attracted to fictional animals?
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This is why I shouldn t have a podcast.
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This is why I shouldn t have a podcast, Anna.
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Me saying that is on the internet forever now.
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And whatever.
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And it s a legitimate question.
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How many guys wanted to fuck Lola Bunny?
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My boyfriend actually did.
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He talked about that.
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Your boyfriend wanted to fuck Lola Bunny?
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Or wait, Jessica Rabbit actually.
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Jessica Rabbit s a human.
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are, I can t remember.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I think this conversation is ready to be over.
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Anna, thanks for being very nice to me.
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I appreciate it.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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I guess just, you know,
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believe in yourself more.
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I mean, I feel like, like I said, I think we, that s the goal in life, you know, and like, you know, just try to do the best that you can and give yourself like love and grace.
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And yeah, just, I don t know.
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Everyone s doing great.
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So that s all I have to say.
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I hope the Geico Gecko comes to you in a dream and gives you lots of flowers and kisses.
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Aw, thank you.
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That s very sweet of you.
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Thanks.
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Thanks a lot.
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I appreciate you.
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Have a good night, Anna.
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You too.
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I m trying to think who mine was when I was a kid.
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I m trying to think.
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Lola Bunny, everyone... Dude, everyone who watched Space Jam and didn t have a little crush on Lola Bunny is lying.
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I m trying to think who else.
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What were some shows that I watched?
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Yeah, you know that brandy and mr. Mr. Whiskers, I remember being a kid and being like Brandy I think of brandy was cute Who else All right, that s all I got for now, but I used to have a big crush on Polly Pocket when I was a child But she s a human Well, she s a doll
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Alright.
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Hello?
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Hey, who s this?
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You died on my stream?
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What does that mean?
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Oh, yes!
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Yes, yes, yes, Mason!
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Yeah, I remember you.
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Yeah, you called in on the Dominic Fike stream.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And you called in when I had Dominic on and you were driving in a car and the car crashed and you died and now you re calling me.
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Yeah.
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I presume from hell.
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I m calling you from Valhalla.
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Valhalla.
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No.
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Okay.
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No, no, no.
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What s Valhalla?
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I like hell better.
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That s funny.
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That s like the Viking when Vikings died.
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That s Norse shit.
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Also, why are you typing the entire... Why are you typing up...
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the works of Shakespeare on your computer right now?
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I m playing an Overwatch comp.
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Okay.
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Would you rather... I have a genuine question for you, and I m not saying this to be a jerk.
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Would you rather do that or talk to me right now?
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I got through the therapy, Gecko.
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I m done playing for a second.
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You know exactly what I m doing.
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Uh, I really want to, yeah, I really want to talk to you.
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So yeah, I ll, I ll talk to you instead of playing.
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I don t care.
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What s uh, what s up Mason?
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Is there anything in particular you wanted to talk about?
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No.
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Uh, or we can, we can go back into what I wanted to talk about that one day.
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I still, I still, I still hear the clacking of the computer.
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I know.
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All right.
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I m going to, I m going to kill myself and go spawn.
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Um, uh,
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Yeah.
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Uh, I want to say I love your show in Detroit.
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I went and I, you came out of the back and I said, Oh my God, he s really that short.
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And you said, I know.
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Right.
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And then I felt really bad.
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You felt bad.
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Yeah.
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Cause I called you short.
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I am short.
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I know you.
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I mean, I know, but it was rude.
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No, whatever.
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You ve paid for the ticket.
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You can do whatever you want.
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Yeah, you re at the Detroit show.
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I wasn t happy with the Detroit show.
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I felt like I fucked it up.
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Why?
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Well, that s the first thing I ve ever been to like that.
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And I really like I loved it.
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I thought it was really good.
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Thanks, man.
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Okay, I appreciate it.
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All right, I m gonna take that to the bank.
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I m gonna consider that a good show now.
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Because, like, I watched it and I was laughing the entire time.
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You had the thing with the two girls and the dads cheating.
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Yeah, dude.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Shout out to those two girls.
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Yeah, they were amazing.
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And there was that girl at the end who said something about getting married.
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She was getting married to someone.
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Do you remember this?
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And she was getting like, yeah, yeah.
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And she thinks she was, no, I don t remember it.
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I don t remember.
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That s okay.
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That s okay.
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Thanks for trying.
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That venue was cool too.
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That s St.
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Andrew s hall.
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That s where Eminem used to play.
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Started off, yeah.
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For the first time I ve ever been there.
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That was like a really cool hall.
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The whole thing was cool.
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I love the shirt.
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I got, you fucking signed a poster for me.
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That was the shit.
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I was so happy.
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Good, okay, good, good, good.
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I don t know why I beat myself up so much.
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This is for those who, I guess, are listening and don t live in Detroit, don t have any context for this.
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The way I do my live shows is I give like a 15-minute presentation at the beginning, and then for an hour, I bring people up on stage and
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But when they first come in to the doors, there s a little phone number and they text the phone number with like prompts of things they want to talk about and I ll pick like four or five people to come up on stage and just talk out whatever they want to talk about.
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Really, I mean just like we do on the podcast.
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And, um, so I really, it s an hour of, of totally, uh, improvised stuff.
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And sometimes it s fucking insane.
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Oh yeah.
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And magical.
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And sometimes I struggle with it, you know, cause I m, I m trying to make it, um,
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I m trying to make it worthy of people coming, you know, and there s a lot of shows where I get off and I m like, oh, that was magical.
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I couldn t have even, that s better than anything I could have possibly written.
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And then other times I m like, well, that was a nice hour of polite conversation, but, you know, I don t know.
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It s always a fun time.
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And then afterwards I meet everyone.
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They re good.
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They re fun times.
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They re fun times.
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I thought you did amazing, cause that was what?
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Detroit was one of your first few shows?
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It was like the 7th or something?
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Yeah, I thought you did great.
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Thanks bro, thanks man.
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But after every single one of them, I beat the shit out of myself.
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Oh yeah, I totally understand.
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Because it s just so many people that you re sitting in front of trying to entertain you, like someone hated it.
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Someone hated what I just said.
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I loved it.
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I hope you come to Detroit again.
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I will next year.
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I m gonna do a tour next year, but enough about me and my live show show Mason What s up with you, man?
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What what is it that you wanted to talk about when I was on with Dominic and you crashed into a wall?
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We were talking about how my brother was a dick Because when I went up north a lot of stuff was happening because I wasn t home and I caught him on a bunch of stuff So I wanted to talk about it to see if see what I should do How was he a dick?
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so
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We like, I ll go back to how I practice this.
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We live alone.
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Me and him, we have our house.
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My mom passed away.
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So like, we just got the house and we both live together.
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And he just like, he s just an asshole.
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I don t get it.
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So when I went up north, I put a camera in my room because I didn t trust him.
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And so he like I caught him on camera going into my room and just going through all my drawers.
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And I call him like, what are you doing?
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I m just walking around.
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And I m like, I can, I see you.
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I know what you re doing.
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And he like, I saw him like run out of my room.
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And then he s older than me, by the way.
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I m 19.
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No, I m almost 20.
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My brother s in a few days, but he s 21.
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And so I keep like, he keeps doing shit like this.
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And I catch him on camera multiple times going through my room.
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So then I come back and we get into this huge fight about, um, what is it?
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He started talking shit to me to his girlfriend.
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I stayed in my room in the basement, and he s on the stairs, and he starts talking shit about me to his girlfriend.
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Right next to me, on the stairs.
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Okay, hold on.
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What s he rumbling around your room for?
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What is he even fucking looking for?
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Is he stealing money from you?
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I like... I don t know.
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He just wouldn t... For anything that... When I was younger, he would steal from me all the time and gaslight me.
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So like, I would lose like, you know, like 12, 13, I d lose money, like 20 bucks every now and then.
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And then he s like, I don t know where it went.
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And then he just admitted it to me when I was in high school.
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He s like, yeah, I would steal money from you all the time.
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And I was like, what the fuck?
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So like, I don t keep any money here.
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So he probably was looking for money or my car keys because he wanted, his car was destroyed and I left.
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It s insane.
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He s such a freak.
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So, I mean, when you showed him the video footage of him rummaging around your room, what did he have to say?
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He said, you ve been through my room before, which I needed his car keys to move his car so I can get my car out of the driveway.
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So that he comes up with excuses like that.
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So for him it was it was a room for room situation.
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Yeah.
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But yeah.
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So yeah.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right.
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Mason what s the deal here.
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So your mom passed away.
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I m sorry to hear that.
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And she left you this
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house.
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And is it just you and your brother living here?
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Yeah.
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And how long have you guys been living here?
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It s been a year now.
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My mom passed away like a year ago.
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Okay.
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Is your dad still around?
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No, he passed away like six years ago.
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Okay.
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Um,
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And then what s the deal?
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Like in the will, what, what, what was the stipulation?
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Like you guys like have half ownership of the house.
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Yeah.
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So I think as far as I know, we both own half the house.
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Neither of us can sell it without the other one saying, yes, can t make any decisions, anything like that.
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Well, why don t you just, if you own half the house, why don t you rent out?
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Why don t you move out and rent out your room so you don t have to live with your brother and let somebody else deal with them.
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I don t think anyone, like, I don t know anyone that would want to live here.
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What, uh, you don t have to give me, you don t have to give me the details, but what city do you live in?
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Uh, I don t give a shit.
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I live in Taylor, Michigan.
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It s Taylor.
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We re literally called Taylor Tuckians.
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I don t, I wasn t born here, but that s where we moved.
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How close are you to Detroit?
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You re pretty, I mean, you came to the Detroit show.
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How close are you?
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20 minutes.
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20 minutes.
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All right.
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Do you live near any colleges?
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Um,
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Wayne State, yeah, Wayne State s the closest, but I live next to like, Ann Arbor, like, U of M, Michigan, and all those.
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They re like 25 minutes away.
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Okay, here s what I ll say to you.
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I mean, instead of just writing off the idea immediately and not even trying it, like, why don t you look it up, you know, see if you can rent out the room, because, I mean, do you have a job, or are you in school?
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SPEAKER_01
Um, so I m like transitioning.
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I work in a factory right now, but I m starting like a, a union job.
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Uh, it s a mill, right?
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They just, it s like working on machines and stuff in like the next few weeks.
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And I don t like, I don t have the money to, because I m like saving, I m saving money for rent and everything.
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So I can make sure I have somewhere to go, you know?
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All right.
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So you have a game plan.
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Yeah, I do have a game plan.
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So the whole thing with this millwright stuff is you have to like travel.
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So like, I have to go to, it s called, it s a city called like Orin, and it s like an hour and a half drive from where I m at.
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So my plan is, and I would work on this job site for like three years.
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It s like some car battery factory.
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And we just build up the plant is that I move halfway between, but the problems are like,
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If I don t, if I don t stay here, my brother will be homeless.
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Like without a doubt.
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He, he has like a really good job.
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He s a welder, but he can t save money.
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So that s something that like makes me not want to move out because I don t want him to, you know, end up being homeless.
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Cause he can t afford it.
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I m sorry.
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I m sorry.
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Say that again.
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Oh, he wouldn t be able to pay the rents.
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Yeah.
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He wouldn t be able to afford like the mortgage and everything.
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Oh, oh to be able to afford the mortgage.
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Well if he okay, well if he okay, well my friend If you move out and your brother won t be able to afford the mortgage then and I usually I don t like telling people what to do on this thing cuz I m fucking but but brother if and you should and and You should talk to an actual person about this not me because I m yeah, I go to therapy and
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No, no, I m not even talking about a therapist.
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I m talking about like a Financial guy or whatever.
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Yeah financial person Because if your brother if your brother is Gonna can t afford to pay the mortgage without you Why don t you use that as leverage to get him to sell the fucking house so that you both can?
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Take whatever cash you can get from that and not have to deal with each other
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You guys are clearly butting heads to a point where it s making it like not good for either of you to be living together.
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So why don t you both either sell the house or move out and rent it out?
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Like why is this situation just like forcing you guys to be unhappy with one another?
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Especially if your brother feels like he can t afford the mortgage.
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Because I don t want him ending up homeless.
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But if he sells the house,
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Okay, if he sells the house.
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I m just worried about him.
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I worry about him.
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Dude, that s sweet.
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That s really sweet.
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That s really sweet.
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And I commend you on that.
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I really commend you on that because clearly your brother s been pissing you off, stealing your stuff, talking shit about you, and nonetheless, that s how good of a fucking guy you are, nonetheless,
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You re very concerned about his ability to handle money.
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And I respect that.
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I do.
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But dude, if living with this guy is making you unhappy.
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Oh, it s miserable.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, then you can t be responsible for his life.
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He s 20.
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He s and it s and it s a bummer man You guys have fallen on some hard times.
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It s fucking hard that your parents passed away while you guys were so young That s a it s hard, but you can t be bearing the brunt of your brother if he s doesn t know how to handle Money, I want if he doesn t know how to handle money, and he s fucking with you the whole thing I was waiting for was like um
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he like I can see that he s like he started making more money and then I was gonna leave because that s all I wanted.
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But like, there s like, you know, like, why would I want to give up a house?
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That s a big one.
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I have like I have a house that I can have.
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And he s always like, I m gonna move out in the next year.
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He s not gonna move out in the next seven years.
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It s gonna be like that.
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It s just like, there s so many benefits I have right now, but he s just destroying all of them.
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And that s the hard part.
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Cause like the other day we got into a fight and he tried to get me to hit him.
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That was his objective.
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He s like, I m going to get you to hit me.
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So you can t call the cops.
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No, man, no, man, no.
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That s insane, right?
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That s insane.
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Did we talk to another guy who was in a similar situation to this?
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Really?
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Yeah, we talked to another guy who was in a similar situation to this.
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His was a little bit worse.
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But right.
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Yeah.
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Dude.
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Okay.
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Mason is I m going to tell you, man.
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First of all, I want you to know something.
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I, I, I want, I want, I want you to know this more than anything.
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The fact that your brother is consistently antagonizing you, but yet you still love him and care about him proves to me that you re a good guy.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, so I want you to know that.
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I want you to know you re a good guy.
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And I hope that you re not being a good guy at your own expense, all right?
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There s that.
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Yeah.
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And then two,
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It s such a hard situation to deal with, right?
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It is, and I know you guys have fallen on hard times, and I know that, you know, you re fucking 19 and having to navigate all this crazy crap because of a tragedy that struck you, and I feel for that.
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But, dude, if your brother is antagonizing you, trying to get you to hit him and shit, you gotta get out, dude.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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And if he s gonna move out,
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And like, dude, what s the problem with get rid of the house and taking the cash?
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It s not much.
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That s the problem.
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Like, we only lived here for two years, and it s like a 30 year mortgage, whatever.
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So it s only like $7,000 each.
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And you know, we put time and money into this house.
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How much is the wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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It s only $7,000 each.
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How much did she, what s the, don t they have to put down like 20% of the value of the house?
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SPEAKER_01
No, because she bought it.
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She bought it during like an insane time in COVID.
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My mom bought it that like the APR was so low for getting a house that like, there s no point.
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It was like insanely cheap for her to buy this.
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There s not like, there s not much to the house.
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Cause she put, she put down 14 K on this house.
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Like about that.
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Yeah.
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By the way, the more, the more, the more we go into depths on this, the more people are going to understand that.
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I don t know anything about fucking real estate.
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I don t know shit either.
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Yeah.
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So we re just, we re just two guys messing around.
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Okay.
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Two guys, two guys talking.
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We re two, we re two guys messing around.
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All right.
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But dude.
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Okay.
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So how much is, what s the mortgage?
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Oh, it s,
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It s fucking cheap.
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It s like, uh, two, it s 2000, like say like 2100 for 2100.
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That s for the, like internet, everything, internet water and stuff.
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And this is Taylor, the butt tits, Michigan.
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yeah all right all right so you have a all right so you just all right so shit dude i don t know i don t know i don t know i m not i m not listen listen i m not dave ramsey i don t know anything about um i don t know anything about this okay no and i told you should you should talk and you should talk to somebody who does because it s a precarious situation you talk to somebody who understands the financials about it
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Someone should I should kick my brother s ass.
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That s what all people tell me like beat up your brother.
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No Stop right there People who s telling you to kick your brother s ass It s gonna be really fun.
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It s my aunt both of my aunts.
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Why don t you beat the shit out of your brother?
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SPEAKER_00
Don t beat the shit out of your brother.
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Don t beat the shit.
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Don t do that.
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Don t do that.
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Whoever s telling you that is an idiot.
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Don t do that.
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Cause they re like, when we get into the place, they re like, why didn t you just rock your brother s shit?
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They didn t say it like that, but there s, I m like, there s no point.
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They re like, you re big.
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It s going to make, that s just, that s just going to make that.
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Okay.
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I don t know what to do for you, but don t do that because that s going to make your life a lot worse.
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Okay.
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And you re, you re too smart to be doing that.
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Um, fuck man.
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Okay.
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I ll say this and then I ll say this and then we ll probably go, but okay.
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If you re not making a decision about this because you re afraid that your brother is going to succumb to his own bad spending habits,
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I hate telling people what to do, but I think you gotta let that go, dude.
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Because you gotta live your own life.
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And you can still care about your brother, and still love your brother.
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And I think you should still care about and love your brother.
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But you can t let that, you know, ruin your own life.
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Right.
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Yeah, that s fair.
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Because, like, when I m done with all this stuff, I don t want to deal with him.
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Like, I don t want, like, you know, maybe Christmas, whatever.
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But I don t, like, I don t really want a relationship with him because of everything we ve been through and everything he s done.
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But, like, I want to make sure that he s... I m not going to see him just, like, on the street at one point.
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I want to make sure he can live for himself.
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Live for himself.
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Okay.
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Do this.
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Print a picture of his face and put it on a tree and hit the tree with a stick.
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Okay.
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Uh, Mason, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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Um, thank you for giving me this opportunity.
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Um, thank you for giving, thank you for at least listening to me.
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That s it.
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You know, I, I needed a different opinion than what I normally get of just beat up your brother.
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Cause it doesn t, it doesn t get me anywhere.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I m ha I, am I the only person you ve talked to?
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Who else?
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I m going to cut you off, but who else have you talked to about this?
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Like my boss at work, he s insane.
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But like, he s like, he s like, I can get a guy, I can get three guys to come to your house and rip out your brother s teeth.
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He doesn t, he s like, he doesn t need toes.
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And he s like for 500 bucks.
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And I m, you know, that s like, I want to see it.
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That s cool.
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That s funny.
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But like, I m like, is it worth it?
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That s my boss will told me that.
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And I ll like, uh,
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Like a lot of my like, uh, older friends.
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So like, I used to work in a kitchen.
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He s like, be just beat up your brother.
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I m like, but it won t give me anything.
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He s like, you ll feel better.
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But that s it.
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Then Cole s going to be like my brother.
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I didn t mean to say his name.
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It doesn t matter.
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He s going to be constantly on my ass.
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That s it.
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He s going to try to fight me at any point.
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He can t.
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Well, here s the thing.
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I m, I hope, you know,
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I m glad I m glad to know that option is there that you can have your brothers.
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I mean, they can have your boss.
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Where do you, where do you work where your boss is telling you he can have three fucking guys rip your brother s teeth out?
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Are you in the mafia or something?
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I do.
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The dude is insane.
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I love him.
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He s a fucking animal.
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I, I don t want to say it because I m like, I don t know.
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It s just like a, it s a really big production company and they re all throughout like they re everywhere, but you ll never see their name on shit.
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It s so weird.
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It s a really good company.
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Well, Mason, good luck to you.
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I m glad I could be the only... I m glad I could be the one person you talked to who didn t tell you to be a fucking idiot and hit your brother.
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Thank you.
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Because this is going to make life worse for you.
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All right?
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Yep.
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I ll see you next time I m in Michigan.
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If I see you next time I m in Michigan, give me an update on this shit.
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I don t know.
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I was about to say that.
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I m like, I m going to update you next time I see you.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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You take care, Mason.
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Thank you.
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You too, man.
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Love you.
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I didn t mean to say that.
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I m sorry.
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Ah, whatever.
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I love you too, Mason.
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I ve been trying, I ve been thinking about the whole I love you thing because people say I love you to me and I don t, I feel weird about it.
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Um, because love is, love s an interesting thing.
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I say I appreciate you, because I mean that.
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I mean that.
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I have a deep appreciation for the people who call me and listen to this podcast.
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I don t know, there s all these YouTubers who do a merch drop and they re like,
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look in the camera and they re like I love you guys and we are you know together in some it always it feels weird and fake to me so I don t like to do it but appreciation is real I feel like appreciations realer than love I can say that with a hundred percent certainty more than love love I is I guess reserved for like yeah you know my fucking
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mom but i but yeah whatever why don t i don t know why i m being weird about it love you too mason i hope you i hope you do the tree thing sounds fun call from jacob hello hey what s up uh uh how s it going
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What s going on, man?
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What s going on with you?
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How s life?
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Life s pretty crazy.
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Yeah, we ve actually talked before.
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I was on, like, I called you on Halloween and I was on your first episode.
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You were on my very first episode of this show?
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Yes, yeah.
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I was the guy with the orange and the bike.
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Yeah.
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Oh my god.
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I remember you Jacob.
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Ah, yes.
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Hey, holy shit.
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Wait a minute.
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Hold the fuck on.
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Hold the, hold on.
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Hold the fuck on here.
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Wait, the very first episode.
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Okay, give me one moment here.
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Dude, I remember you.
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Wait a minute.
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Wait a minute.
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I m looking up my own podcast right now.
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Because I thought you were bullshitting me.
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I thought you were totally, completely and utterly bullshitting me.
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And...
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Okay.
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I m looking, I m looking at my podcast, the very episode one banned and forgotten.
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That s yeah.
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Holy shit.
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If you go to episode one, September 7th, 2020, which is basically three years ago, the very first episode of this podcast, it says in the description, we go for a bike ride in the nighttime.
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And that s you, that s you who I talked to that went on the nighttime bike ride.
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Yeah.
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Well, holy shit.
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I gotta say, I m not a big return caller guy, but we gotta talk.
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We gotta see what s up.
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For those who don t know, go and listen to literally episode number one of this podcast, and Jacob is in there.
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What s going on, man?
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How you been?
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Uh, dude, life s been really wild.
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I ve been living on the road for, it s almost been two years now.
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I m not on the road right now.
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I just got back home, uh, taking like a short break, but yeah, I got to see a lot of new places I ve never been to before and experience it with a lot of new faces.
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It s been great.
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So let s see, do you remember what we talked about the first time you called?
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we called, I was just hanging out.
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I was on a bike ride and I stopped and I called you in the middle of a soccer field and I was just eating my orange while I was waiting.
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Yeah, I remember being very nervous.
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I m kind of nervous right now.
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I think I ve
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Got a thing with that, but I was really nervous when I called you.
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And yeah, we talked about that for a bit.
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You read a poem.
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That was really cool.
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What poem?
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Was it the Shel Silverstein one?
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It was Robert Frost.
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I forgot the name.
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I think it was Robert Frost.
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It was a poem about the path less traveled.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Yes, I m a big poetry guy.
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That s not remotely true.
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Yeah, we talked, yeah, we just had, I don t even remember in particular what we talked about.
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I just remember it was a nice little chat.
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Where, okay, so tell me about where you were at that time in your life and how things have changed.
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Hmm.
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Yeah, I was, um, I was living with a couple of roommates and, uh, kind of meandering, uh, through life.
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I guess I still kind of am, but, uh, yeah, compared now compared to then I m meandering in a
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a lot bigger way, which is really fun.
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Just kind of, yeah, still doing that, I guess.
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I m working at, I m traveling by doing different Renaissance festivals.
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Have you been to a Renaissance festival?
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I have, I m a big fan of the giant turkey leg, as well as the mead.
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Yeah, they re really fun.
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I ve been doing those like in various states and stuff.
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And, um, there s a lot of really great music scenes there.
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So I, I, uh, I get to practice with really great musicians, uh, which is wonderful.
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What do you play?
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Um, I play ukulele and I play guitar.
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Cool, man.
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Cool, cool, cool.
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Yeah.
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I m more just a ukulele player though.
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Where is, and that s what you do for a living is working at those, uh, those Ren Fairs?
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Um, yeah, that s what I ve been doing for almost two years now.
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Uh, before that I was, I ve, I ve been just doing the Minnesota Renaissance Festival, uh, for,
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I ve been performing there for over 15 years, and this year is going to be my 20th year just working there.
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Where all have you gotten to travel?
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Well, I started doing the North Carolina Renaissance Festival, and then I went to the Arizona Renaissance Festival.
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Then I did Texas, Colorado, and that s the whole circuit.
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I did Minnesota again.
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The last festival that I ve more recently done was Arizona again.
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I m about to do Minnesota again.
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Hmm.
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What do you, how do you think your, do you think life has changed for you, uh, for the better in the last three years?
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Um, that s, that s a great question to reflect on.
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I think, yeah, I ve, I ve grown a lot.
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Um, I think that s part of like just the experiences I ve gotten to.
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but also just, I m older now.
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There s stuff going on there, which is cool.
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But for the most part, I, you know, I don t know.
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It s a hard question to answer for me right now.
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I m like, I m in, right now, I m kind of in a rough place, but I m also confident that I can like,
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get my life back to where I want it to be.
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While I m in a rough place right now, I do have a lot of hope for the future, which is nice.
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You don t have to talk about it if you don t want to, but what s making you in a rough place?
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While I was on the road, I met a pretty cool lady.
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Last month, we had broken up.
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So that s been a little hard.
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But also, being on the road for so long, I haven t really gotten to experience the seasons as much.
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It doesn t sound very hard to a lot of people, but for me, it s been, um, kind of rough.
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I, I didn t realize before I went on the road that I really need the season.
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Mostly been experienced summer.
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Um, yeah, well, I guess where, where do you normally live?
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I m from Minnesota, and I ve spent most of my time in Minnesota.
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It s pretty cold in Minnesota.
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Yeah, it s pretty cold.
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The winters are pretty long and cold.
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And pretty much anywhere else you go in the country, it s nuts.
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I was just in Australia, and it was winter in July.
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And ask I was pretty good.
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Oh, it was pretty good.
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It was pretty good.
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I like the winter better than the summer more flakes Yeah
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I do too.
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Was it warm there?
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In winter?
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No, it was cold.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah, but like I said, I like the cold.
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I like to wear it because one of the things about being a big old fat guy is that you like a sweatshirt better than a t-shirt.
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SPEAKER_00
You feel more comfortable.
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The summers are not great for big old fat guys.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I understand.
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That makes sense.
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Well, shit.
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Bro, what s your name?
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Did I catch your name?
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Jacob.
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Yeah, Jacob.
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Yeah, you got it.
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Jacob, Jacob, Jacob.
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Good to hear from you again, Jacob.
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It s always cool hearing from people from back then.
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I know, I know.
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Yeah, I started doing this when I was 22 years old.
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And now I m a little bit older.
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Wow.
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Yeah, I started doing this when I was 22.
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SPEAKER_01
You were 22 three years ago?
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I was 22 three years ago.
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Wow.
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That s amazing.
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And the crazy, it s just crazy to think I was so fucking stupid.
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Um, wait, how so?
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Just, just in a lot of ways.
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I m, I m still, I m less stupid.
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I m a lot.
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I think I m a lot less stupid now than I was then, but I just, I didn t know what I was doing.
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I still don t really know what I m doing, but I didn t know what I was doing.
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Um,
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I mean, nobody does.
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Every year I feel a little bit more like I know what I m doing, but still very, very stupid.
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I m, I m a lot fatter.
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Um, so this whole thing has taken its toll on me, but, uh, hopefully, hopefully in 40 years when I m 65, I ll know something if I make it that long, if I don t have a heart attack, but, uh, hopefully I ll know something.
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Do you think you re really that fat?
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I don t feel like you re that fat.
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a few more oranges and a few more bike rides.
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Sure.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, we all can.
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We all can.
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It s true.
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Jacob, good hearing from you, man.
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As long as you re aware of it, you know, like, yeah, it s good to be able to call you.
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I ve called a few times before, but it s hard to get through.
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I m really glad it worked out tonight.
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Yeah, it s funny you say glad as long as you re aware of it.
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I ve always felt like being aware of it.
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I don t know if that helps.
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I really don t.
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I think being aware is not enough.
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I think you have to be aware and then do something about it.
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That s the hard part.
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Being aware is easy.
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Yeah.
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I don t know.
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For some people, it s not easy, but it s an essential step that everyone needs to take to like,
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better themselves in some way.
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You have to be aware of the problem first, you know?
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You re already on the right path.
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Well, um, I hope one day, Jacob, to meet you at a Renaissance festival and fuck that path all the way up by eating a giant turnip and some mead.
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I would love to see you there.
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That would be amazing.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, can I, can I ask you something?
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Yeah, sure.
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Do you know if you re gonna go to Minnesota on any of your tours?
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Dude, where is Minnesota?
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It s like right in the middle of the continent.
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SPEAKER_00
Is that where Minneapolis is?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yeah, that s where Minneapolis is.
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Okay, cause I, I m, get this.
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I thought, I thought I went to Indianapolis and I just, I got my pulluses mixed up.
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So I thought that was also in Minneapolis.
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Oh, that s funny.
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Okay.
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So I m, but next year I m going to go to Minneapolis cause I didn t go this year.
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I ll, uh, yeah, I ll, I ll go see you.
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Um, if you do that, that would be really fun.
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Yeah, no, one day we ll, that d be sick.
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That d be sick.
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If we bring it, bring an orange to the show, dude.
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Bring an orange to the show.
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Oh, I m going to get one of my really, really
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Good oranges.
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I ve found the juiciest, the greatest oranges.
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SPEAKER_00
You have to be careful when you eat one of these oranges, because you could choke on the juices.
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It s dangerous.
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If there was a word for being horny for an orange, that would describe what I am, right?
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I understand.
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They re really good, man.
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Jacob, anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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No, I don t think so.
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Have a good rest of the night, dude.
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Good to hear from you again, and I ll see you when I m in Minneapolis.
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Yeah, I look forward to it.
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Take care.
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Bye, Jacob.
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Bye.
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Yeah, dude, I had to look that up.
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SPEAKER_01
Therapy Gecko episode- Therapy Gecko episode 1.
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Banned and forgotten.
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He s in it.
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I- I think he s in there at, uh... At around the 30 minute mark, if you wanna go check that out.
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Yeah, crazy.
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SPEAKER_01
Super cool, man, super cool.
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We re on episode 200-something.
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And we re getting callers from episode 1.
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That s- that s awesome.
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That s fucking sweet.
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Uh... Alright, alright, Jacob.
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You gotta call in episode 400.
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I ll see you then.
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He s taking your phone calls every night.
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Therapy, it goes to his right.
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He s teaching you how to live your life.
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But he s not really an expert.