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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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I mean, what we re actually doing internally with Woo right now is we decided we wanted to raise more capital.
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We were kind of looking at different avenues of how we wanted to go about that.
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And we had a few friends that are also entrepreneurs in the space that actually had tested out crowdfunding.
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So we kind of looked into it and kind of internally decided like we would rather take that route versus like the VC private equity route.
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So what we re doing is we re gearing up for a crowdfunding campaign through StartEngine that basically we re going to bring our community together and for the first time we re actually going to offer them potentially they can own a piece of Woo and be a part of the company themselves.
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Hey there, everybody.
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Welcome back to the Him and Her Show.
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Today, we re sitting down with one of our best friends of over 20 years, over 25 years, actually.
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Weston Mitchell.
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He s our best friend, like I just said.
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He is the godfather to our daughter.
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He is our business partner in our sex business, Woo More Play, which I m sure many of you have tried and are familiar with.
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Today, we re shooting the shit.
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We re talking dating.
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We re talking about the ick in dating.
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We re talking about what works, what doesn t.
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We re talking about sex.
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We re also making a special announcement around a new partnership opportunity that we have for all of our listeners and everybody in the community.
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This is the first time we ve announced anything like this with any of our private businesses.
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I think it d be interesting for this community, especially people that are Woo customers or have been for a long time.
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If you re interested in learning more about angel investing or just getting involved, this opportunity could be right for you.
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So with that, Weston Mitchell, welcome back.
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I think second appearance on the Skinny Confidential Him and Her show.
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This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.
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Is my face red?
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Don t worry babe, it s just audio.
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It s just audio that we also put on video.
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Is my skincare looking good?
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Your skincare is looking good.
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Thank God you re implementing it.
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Anyway, Weston Mitchell is live on the show.
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Weston Mitchell and Michael and I have been friends since we were 12 years old.
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Is this your second or third time on this show?
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Second time.
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Oh, second time.
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Yeah, second time.
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I went on like three years ago.
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It s been a while.
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Second and a half.
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Second and a half, what was the halftime?
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Remember at the jet bed office?
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Oh yeah, yeah, that was a failure.
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We didn t release that episode?
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No, no, no.
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That one went to the grave.
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I think we drank too much whiskey that time.
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Yeah, that was just a practice run.
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We have known Weston since we were 12 years old.
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He came walking in, in a green Z-serve sweater, I ll never forget it, to Earl Warren Middle School, and Michael and I immediately were like, whoa, that guy s tall.
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when I was like four foot seven.
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And then Wes and I, we ve been, we ve been through a lot, man.
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We went to high school together.
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We went to college together.
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We re roommates and business partners for forever.
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Our partner in woo, which we re going to talk about today in a little bit.
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We ve been through, we ve seen a lot, done a lot.
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He knows where all the bodies are buried.
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He does.
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You guys used to bury some bodies at U of A. That s not the way you should.
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Yeah.
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Kind of.
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Well, you guys used to have some fun.
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I mean, Weston would build the whole jungle party, which was like this huge party.
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And would you just attend?
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You delegated?
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Yeah, but Lauren, I don t really want to go and be one of those, like, high school, college football heroes.
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No, let s just move on.
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She always tries to get back into the high school.
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I love talking about it.
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I like to give people context of
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You ve been doing the same thing, talking about what happened 20 years for 20 years.
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That s all you talk about.
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I just like a nostalgia.
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I like nostalgia.
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I can t help it.
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Well, let s talk about today.
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What s going on?
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No, let s talk about your dating life.
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Talk about what s going on there.
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Don t make me laugh.
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I want to give everyone context.
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I have an IV in my hand right now.
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Oh, we forgot about that.
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You can see it on the YouTube channel.
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It s got a giant bag in the back.
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Yeah.
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And it s giving me like anxiety because IVs make me really, really nervous.
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So if anyone s, if I m moving weird, it s because I don t want to move an inch.
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We have to give context though.
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Grace, what is this?
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Vitamin C, B complex, B12, zinc, glutathione.
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Trying to feel better.
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Lauren s been coughing up a storm on all these podcasts.
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Yeah, don t get me sick.
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You ve never gotten sick in your life.
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I haven t been sick in like 15 years.
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Hey, you know what s kind of crazy about you and for the audience?
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You have not been sick since I ve known you and you never got COVID and you were never sick during the entire time people were getting COVID.
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Yeah, weird to say.
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That s weird, man.
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How do you do that?
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Is it because you were breastfed till you were five?
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Yeah, that s actually the secret.
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How do you actually do that?
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That s the secret.
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You breastfeed till you re five years old.
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Do you actually?
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Aren t you still breastfeeding?
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Once in a while, yeah.
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I get a little.
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Yeah, you were breastfed two or five, but we didn t say you stopped.
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You re just like, but you got to go to five to get the immune benefits.
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Wait, actually, why do you never get sick though?
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You told me there s like a whole thing that you do.
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No, I mean, I don t know.
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I mean, I ve just like, I don t get the second I get like a sense of like feeling sick.
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I just like block it out.
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I m like, that s not going to happen to me.
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I swear to God.
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I don t know.
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I have no idea why I don t get sick.
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I just don t get sick.
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You ve been around my kids when they re sick.
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Me when I m sick, you never get sick.
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Yeah, I don t have a reason.
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I just don t get sick.
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You told me though that you say in your head, like, I don t get sick.
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Yeah, I do that.
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But I don t know if that s the answer, but like, I just like, I m not getting sick.
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Just get like a three year old, four year old that goes to school and you, if you don t get sick, then I will sing your praises and think you re some kind of weird mutant because I don t know what these kids bring home, but it is disgusting.
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All right, let s talk about your dating life.
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What do you want to know about the dating life?
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It s been a little bit of a roller coaster lately.
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So let s go, go way back, right.
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When you broke up with your ex-girlfriend, which is what, like four or five years ago, I ve been, I ve been like single.
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I mean, not like I ve been dating on and off, but like, I haven t had a long-term relationship in like five years now, which is crazy.
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I know, but I think I would love for you to just like talk the audience through anything that you ve learned through this.
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I don t want to say trying time, but the last five years.
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I mean, I think the one thing, like the biggest thing is like right after you get out of a long-term relationship is you start to like learn to be more independent and you re like less codependent on like what you were before in the relationship.
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And the more independent you get and the more comfortable you are with yourself and that independence, then you start really like looking in and growing yourself and like bettering yourself.
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And you get in a position where you re actually very comfortable.
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Like just being, doing things by yourself, being by yourself, all these things.
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So then actually when you get to that point, it s also difficult then to like really bring someone in, in your life.
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If that makes sense, because now you re so content and just doing your own thing that like, if I m going to bring someone in to share my life with, it has to be like this amazing person.
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So you just don t want to settle.
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Exactly.
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Yes.
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What are these routines that you re so specific with?
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Like what, like you re so content in your life.
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What are these things that you re doing?
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Actually, today was a great day.
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I got all my things in today.
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You for sure have a checklist.
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You know, you re at the podcast.
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You re like today, all my things.
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This bitch loves the checklist.
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Yeah.
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So meditation is non-negotiable reading in the morning, non-negotiable.
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Then I go to the gym.
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I also stretch before the gym and that s usually my morning routine.
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But then I ll also, if I have time, I ll try to get in a sauna cold plunge, even like, like two or three rounds going back and forth between like a 40 degree cold plunge and like 190 degree dry sauna.
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And then lately this year, beginning, starting this year, I ve been doing long walks to just get like sunlight and also just a lot of like high level thinking done.
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We decided that that was going to be added to your routine.
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I can t wait till you have kids because you re nailing it every morning.
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That ll be interesting to watch you pivot.
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How long does this routine take realistically?
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A long time because I have to wake up at 5 a.m.
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in order to get it done so it doesn t cut into my work day.
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Oof.
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So it s like it s a long situation.
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And sometimes like if I if I m like I don t get to bed as early the night before then I ll wake up at six and I have to like cut some things out.
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You know I won t get the walk in or like whatever.
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So how long is the meditation?
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20 minutes.
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The 20 minute meditation right when you wake up.
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Yeah, that s it.
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Well, I took a shower first so that I m like fresh and ready to go.
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And then it s meditation.
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Can you wait till he has kids, Michael?
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No, no.
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But I don t like being one of those guys like, oh, wait till you have kids.
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But wait till you have a way to adjust.
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You re a bit anal about your routines and about your specific.
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I can adjust.
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You can adjust for the right woman.
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Yeah, but the thing is, I want children and I see through you guys all the joy that children bring to you.
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So it s like, it s sacrificing some things for a lot of other like joy and love that you re getting.
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So I see both sides.
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So you ll be able to cut your meditation to 10 minutes.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I m not delusional.
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I m very self-aware about it.
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And I see you guys like on a, like, not like a daily basis, but like a weekly basis, like what it is like raising two kids.
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I m not like completely in the dark on that side.
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You re in the dark, buddy.
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You ll see.
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All right.
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You just keep telling me.
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Okay.
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I ll find out.
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The other day I closed my eyes for three minutes.
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I m so tired.
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I closed my eyes for three minutes.
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Mom.
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Mom.
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What are you doing?
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Try to go to the bathroom.
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Forget it.
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The other day, she got me a new book.
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She s like, you re going to really enjoy this book.
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I got one page in.
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She slammed open the ball.
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The kids got out of the bed, slammed off the lights, just left me in the dark.
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And then the kid didn t want to sleep.
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And I was just in there in the dark and derailed the whole thing.
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That was just one page, buddy.
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There was no three hour meditation.
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I have to find hours between.
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4 a.m.
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to 6 a.m.
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to do anything and also between 9 p.m.
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and midnight.
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So you re beating your meat at 4.30 a.m.?
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Yeah, mostly.
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Gotta get up extra early today.
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I m like, why is Michael waking up at 4.30?
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So what makes the perfect partner?
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What are you looking for?
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I mean, like, I probably have built up like too many boxes in my head to check off.
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Right.
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So it s like you got to like have you got to be real that like there s not going to be like this perfect person out there.
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But I think like the things that are high for me are definitely
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ambition and like a certain level of intellect that is challenging me and that I can like relate with in that level.
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I need someone obviously that I m attracted to and there s good sexual energy and there s that kind of content area.
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And then also, you know, someone who wants to build a family is I probably like the top three.
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And then there s like a bunch of other things that just like connections and right people and right energy and all stuff like that.
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Why do you think it s so difficult for you to find what you re looking for?
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I get this question on Instagram, especially about you because everyone s like, how is he single?
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I think if someone else is single and they re listening and they re not settling, why do you think it s so difficult for you to find exactly what you re looking for?
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Well, I think again, like kind of going what I was saying before is like once you get to an independent state that like you re very content with yourself and you re fine with that and you re only going to bring someone in because you really like find them special and you re not just settling like I think a lot of people do.
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then it s just, it s very difficult, like, I don t know, like, when you re picky like that, finding that right person that, like, because the next person I date, like, I m gonna spend the rest of my life with, right?
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So it s like, I m looking at, like, that, like, can I spend the rest of my life with this person?
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Which is sometimes, maybe I gotta, like, pull back and, like, be, like, a little less, like, crazy about in that sense.
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But doesn t that bring, like, a ton of pressure to that relationship with that person when you start doing that?
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Yeah, that s a whole nother thing, issue, right?
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Like, one thing, because I m also a big manifester, and I think it s, um,
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Oprah Winfrey, and she- That s not who I thought you were going to say, but go on.
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No, no, no.
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She has a really good thing about manifesting.
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Basically, she stopped doing mood boards because she s like, you have to be on the right frequency with your manifestation.
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You know what I mean?
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You got to be right in the middle.
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There s negative frequencies and positive frequencies.
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Basically, when you mood board and you obsess about something, you re basically saying you want it so bad and you have a lot of fear that you re not going to get it.
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Right?
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So then you obsess about it versus like if you re confident that you re going to get that, you manifest that and you let you put that out into like the world and you re at the right frequency knowing the confidence that it will come to you.
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Yeah.
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Like I was just so funny.
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We were talking about this in the car today.
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I like the way that I think about everything is like when, like when it happens.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like I never say like if I will say like when, it could be anything.
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It d be like when I have children or when I find a girlfriend.
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Exactly.
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But I, but I ve never under,
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I don t think, have you ever done one of those mood boards?
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I ve never like done a thing where I ve like stapled a bunch, you just got a mood board.
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I just like staple a bunch of images.
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So I feel like in a weird way, like then you re kind of also maybe putting a little desperate energy.
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There is like that exactly what you re saying.
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I got a, it s not a mood board.
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It s an execution board.
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That s different.
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What is the difference?
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It s like building the future that I envision in front of me.
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And the one that I got, it s so beautiful.
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Everyone should go buy it right now.
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It s going to sell out.
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You should even buy it.
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You re going to love it when you see it.
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It s so your vibe Wes is by Casa Zuma.
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It s by Camille Styles and she made this gorgeous board and you take like, I, I got like wooden thumbtacks.
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Of course.
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I want it to look really aesthetically pleasing.
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I want to look at it every day and on it I want to put magazines of the covers that I want to be on.
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You re making fun of me.
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I m not making fun of you.
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I m actually asking you what you re doing.
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Hey, so I feel like you do this too in your own way.
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Can you speak on tools that you do, like I m talking about my execution board, that you do to go into your manifestation mode?
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Yeah, and I could talk about that, but to go full circle with the Ophir thing and the dating thing is I do think I fall into that too much where it s like, I do want to find the perfect wife and I want children and I want a big family and I want all these things.
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And I think sometimes maybe I do get a little too serious about that and then lean in and want it too much and have the fear that I ll never get it, right?
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Which again is going back off like you re on the wrong frequency and this negative frequency that like kind of
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It s just not, you re not in the right headspace to find the right person, right?
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So it s just like a matter of like understanding, like, okay, I know what my goals are in the future.
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I know what I want.
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I want a beautiful wife that there s like, you know, we re extremely compatible and we re going to live together for, you know, the rest of our lives.
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We re going to build this beautiful family.
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but being able to put it out there and being having the confidence that that will come to me at the right time.
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You know what I mean?
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Like that s, I think the biggest thing that I m working on this year.
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In my experience, and this is like, I m just going to leave it in the episode.
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I think sometimes you find a woman that you re into and you think she has those qualities, but she doesn t, but then you get so into it that you get blinded that she doesn t have those qualities.
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And then when you re in the midst of it,
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Like you said, Michael s telling me all the right advice, and I m just blinded to it because I m in it.
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It s tough.
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Yeah, but that s everybody.
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I mean, especially with relationship advice.
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It s easy to give advice.
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It s super hard to take advice.
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Probably myself at times, too, and Lauren as well.
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You see, everybody can give great relationship advice, but most people can t take it.
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Yeah, right when you re in the moment.
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Yeah, because it s one of the most emotionally charged things.
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That s why I always find businesses a little bit, in a weird way, businesses easier than relationships, sometimes in my perspective.
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It s all basically like logic, numbers, reason.
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Relationships are all like logic and reason goes out the window.
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I also think that you, and this is how we would talk off air, so this is kind of fun to do it on air.
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I think that you have been around Michael and I as your best friends separately and together.
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I feel like you and I have a friendship and Michael and you have a friendship that s separate, but then we also have a friendship as a threesome.
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The internet s going to read into that one.
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Isn t there a thread that says we re having a threesome?
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Yeah.
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There s a whole thing, I guess.
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There s supposed to be this whole thing that I think we re a throuple.
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No.
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That we re like a, I don t know, whatever a throuple is.
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I think it s like a three person relationship.
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Huh.
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Huh.
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Sounds like a nightmare for me.
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DP sounds like a nightmare for me.
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You guys are too emotional.
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I don t need double penetration.
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That s enough.
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Double penetration.
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Yeah, we ve gotten far enough.
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Yeah, you know, the other day I took a picture between you and John Stamos and that s about as close as I m getting to a thruple.
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Shit, he s a pretty good looking guy though.
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I don t know.
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I might go for Stamos.
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Sorry Wes, Stamos maybe.
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Okay, so.
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You re going to replace me with Stamos?
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What the fuck?
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I don t know dude, he s pretty good looking man.
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You should name this episode, Are Weston, Michael, and Lauren a thruple.
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I mean, you re up there, Wes, but then I met Stamos, and now I m like, you know what?
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Maybe now that s my new best friend, and we re going to be in a throuple with him now.
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But I think that because we ve had such a long friendship, and you ve been able to see front row seats our relationship from when we were 12.
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Obviously, we broke up in between there, but you ve been able to see the whole evolution of it to now, married with two kids.
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Sometimes I think that there s a standard that it s hard to get if you haven t known someone for a long time.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, 100%.
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There s been a lot of layers.
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on our cake and I feel like with whoever you decide to date you re gonna have to put the layers on and it s gonna take some time and that s annoying.
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I ll say this too is like there is so much pressure like with me and other people like in society about like single and like why are you single but at the same time it s like I ve always challenged like what s wrong with being single.
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In that sense, not to call anybody out, but I know plenty of people that are, actually the majority of people I know that are in relationships are not even necessarily happy in their relationships.
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A lot of them I watched rush the relationship, settle, push marriages and engagements because society told them.
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And it s not like the other side.
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I see I have my single friends and then I have my relationship friends.
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And it s not like that other side of the relationship friends are that much more happy in their lives.
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It s like- Well, some of them are probably actually more miserable.
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Exactly.
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Depending on who it is.
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It s like being single, I ve actually like the past five years, it s like, yeah, it s been, what did I say, like five years since my last serious relationship, I was in a relationship for like six years before that.
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Dating up a storm though, man.
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But it s fun, right?
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Like it s like I date a bunch of women, I learn a bunch of different things about myself, about them, like trips, experiences, like sexual things, like it s like, you know, it s like fun.
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It s fun.
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So like everyone, it s like, oh, we re so pressured.
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Why are you single?
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Why are you this?
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And it s like, well, why not?
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I m having a great time.
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I agree with you there.
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And Wesson and I both have, actually, I don t want to be careful here.
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Be real careful here.
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But we know people that are in.
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Careful.
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I was almost about to fly off the handle.
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Then I was like, wait a minute.
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Like they could just like triangulate and find out we have six friends and we got to be careful there.
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So I just say we know people.
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Fuck, it s already out there now.
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We know people that are in serious relationships that are like maybe not the best examples of relationships.
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So to his point, like you don t want to just settle just because people are putting a timetable on it or you re reaching a certain age because the way I look at all of this,
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hopefully for most people is if you re going to make a serious commitment, especially if you re going to have children, like this is going to be a very long term commitment.
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You better make sure that you actually like to spend time with that person and want to be with that person for a very long period of time.
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Because if you don t, like a lot of these things aren t, I mean, obviously there s divorce, but if you start to have children with someone and people know this, like, it s not like that s like, Hey, I don t have to be around this person anymore.
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Like that s a lifelong commitment.
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100% and that s how I look at it in that situation and I m completely happy and content in my life, meeting people, running around, having different experiences, different conversations, learning new things, like I said, about them, about myself, about life and all of this.
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I m not going to give all that up unless it s this person that I really believe is my soulmate and that I m going to spend the rest of my life with and build an amazing family with and help.
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She s going to build me.
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I m going to build her.
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And like, I m just in a place in my life where like, I m putting that out there and I m confident that it s going to come to me and not to lean in too hard and just to, I mean, have fun in the meantime.
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By the way, I feel like I have to say this.
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If I was me in this moment, I think I would still be single too.
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So I actually understand
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exactly what you re saying.
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I would not want to settle for anything but the best.
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And I think that I would be single.
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I really think I d be single.
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I would have so many women all over the place.
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I d just be out of control.
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You would have so many women.
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Just kidding.
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Just kidding Lauren, calm down.
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All right, let s go on a break.
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Let s go on a break and let s see.
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Oh, wow.
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You could take a break.
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I could use a break from you.
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Honestly, like absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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Let s take a little year break.
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No, remember what that person said right before this episode?
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They said, put yourself in the other person s shoes.
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Consider yourself lucky how lucky you are to that went over your head.
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But I wanted to switch gears here a little bit because I think people that see us together all the time, they re probably wondering what are these people doing all the time together.
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We re working.
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Yeah, then you get Reddit threads created.
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I don t think people realize outside of our friendship that we are business partners in multiple endeavors and that we run different things together and we work together all the time.
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You obviously are involved in Skinny.
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Weston and I had a business together a long time ago with Furniture.
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The main business we re going to talk about right now is Woo, which is our sex business, which Weston s been running along with our CEO, Mackie, for years now.
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So it s like we re not just hanging out all the time.
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And I don t think people realize that because they just see you all the time with us.
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But there s a purpose.
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We re not hanging out.
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Weston s at my house with his to-do list of things to check off, things to show me, and a gallon of raw milk from the farmer s market.
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That s usually why he s that man.
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And don t forget the eggs.
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And the eggs.
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He also, you forgot, literally designed our entire house.
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Yep.
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What I want to talk about today, which Wes is going to talk about too, is our business, Woo, our sex business, which you guys have heard about for a long time.
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We have, I think, the absolute best lube on the entire market.
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Lauren and I had a lot of trial and error.
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We figured this out.
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Coconut oil lubricant, Stevia, vanilla, all natural, a little beeswax.
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And we ve got toys, we ve got all sorts of stuff.
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And Wes has been primarily running that company.
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It s venture backed.
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Your media has been involved in it.
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We ve raised
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capital, all private so far, but we re getting ready to do something that I want Wesson to talk about, which I think is interesting, especially for people in our audience that are aspiring investors or are investors or no investors, because we ve never actually offered any of our companies that we run, they re all been private, to anybody outside of our circle or venture groups that we re partnering with.
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So I thought this would be interesting to talk about what we re doing here, as well as to shoot the shit with you.
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Yeah, of course.
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I mean, what we re actually doing internally with Woo right now is we decided we wanted to raise more capital and we were kind of looking at different avenues of how we wanted to go about that.
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And we had a few friends that are also entrepreneurs in the space that actually had tested out crowdfunding on platforms like StartEngine to basically.
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Our friend, Helen at Blender Bombs, who s been on this show, crushed it on one of them.
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Yeah.
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And so Helen actually had a lot of success on, I believe it was WeFunder, which is a crowdfunding campaign.
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And it s just a whole different experience where you really get the community that like has built around the brand together and you give them actually an opportunity to be a part of the brand and to potentially own a piece of the brand as well.
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So we kind of looked into it and kind of internally decided like we would rather take that route versus like the VC private equity route.
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So what we re doing is we re gearing up for a crowdfunding campaign through start engine that basically we re going to bring our community together.
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And for the first time, we re actually going to offer them to be potentially they can own a piece of woo and be a part of the company themselves.
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Yeah.
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And I want to be clear here, like this is not a Kickstarter campaign.
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It s not one of those things where, Hey, let s see if we get a product developed and then like we have, you know, we get some kind of reward.
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I don t know if that s how they do it.
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This is actually an opportunity for people to, who are interested in investing in private companies to get involved.
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It s like I said, it s venture backed, your media is invested.
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We have many years of successful experience running the business.
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But when we started thinking about, okay, who do we want to bring on as partners next?
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We decided we ve never ever created an opportunity with any of the people that have actually helped build these brands, which is the people that have listened and supported these platforms for years to get involved.
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And so
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No pressure either way, this is not saying that people need to do this or have to do this, but for people that are interested in looking at any of the things that we ve done, this would be an interesting campaign.
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And I think that we ve also created something fun here and different, which you can talk about.
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And yeah, I just thought it d be just like an interesting take.
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Well, it s the best vibrator I ve ever used and I m a connoisseur.
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And the lube is amazing because I remember when I used to use lube back in my day with my lineup.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I would use it and like you d want to give a massage.
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with an oil and then you wouldn t want to touch it with your mouth.
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It s just gross.
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It s chemicals.
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And so what s so great about Wu s lube is it s made from coconut oil.
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Well, I m sure many of the listeners are already customers of the product.
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I mean, we ve talked about Woo for years.
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How long have we had the brand now?
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We launched in 2018.
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I mean, we were building it a little bit before then, but it s been out since like early 2018.
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Yeah, so around the same time as Dear Media.
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So let s say there s someone listening that wants to do what you re doing.
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What did the whole process look like?
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Talk to us about how you decided to get on the platform, how you decided to conceptualize the video.
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What did everything look like?
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Because it was a lot of work.
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Yeah, and as he s talking, for those of you that aren t familiar with Woo, and I think many of you are, if you just go to WooMorePlay.com, you can see the brand we re talking about.
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We ve all, all three of us, Lauren Wesson and I are the founders of the business.
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We started it from the ground up and running it for six years successfully.
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So check it out if you haven t seen it yet.
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I think there s a lot of value and opportunity too for people that are young entrepreneurs or have ideas or have small startup businesses, but they re looking at scaling to the next level and looking at different avenues of raising capital and maybe don t want to take the traditional route of VCs or private equity or angels.
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I think this is a really great alternative.
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And it s something that s completely doable by anyone.
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And I had the luxury of having Helen as a friend who we talked about who had successfully done a campaign before.
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So initially when we decided to do the idea, I was able to hop on a call with her CEO and kind of pick his brain on kind of how they did it and the ins and outs.
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And he told me a lot of really valuable information on what not to do and what to do.
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But basically, in a nutshell, you pick a crowdfunding platform.
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We chose StartEngine, which is a great one.
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And then from there, you basically work with them on building up what your campaign looks like, what you re going to raise, what your marketing assets are going to be.
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The StartEngine community has a bunch of young investors and angels that actually invest in startups.
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So they bring a lot to the tables, a lot of eyes on your brand.
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I m looking at a lot of deals on those platforms now too.
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I mean, that s the other thing for, I think for.
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A lot of, and we talk about, and I don t want to give direct investment advice here, but we talk about, you know, different opportunities on the show and how to diversify.
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And I think the biggest problem is, is I realized that so many people just don t see deals, whether, you know, maybe you see them in the public markets, but many people just don t see the private deal.
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So they don t, they re not able to get involved even if they wanted to.
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So this is, for me, it s interesting that these platforms now exist because people that wouldn t necessarily see these deals can now see all sorts of different deals.
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Yeah, 100%.
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And like I said in the beginning, it s just a really cool way if you have a community and like the Woo community, like it s an opportunity if like they love our Love Oil, they love our products, like we ve helped them with their sex life, we ve helped them with their relationship life that like we re bringing it together and you know, there s an opportunity for them to be a part of the company.
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And you guys are selling a bottle of Woo every three minutes.
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Every seven.
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That is wild.
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Yeah, people love that statistic.
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So you need to finish with how you had the concept for the video.
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Yeah.
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So then, I mean, the end of the day, then you really just got to focus on your marketing campaign and really tell your story, your elevator pitch in your, in your story properly.
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Right.
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So on start engine, there s a landing page that you build out that you can really optimize to, again, just like, you know, talk about all the benefits and all the success and progress you ve had with the business.
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You can also see the existing partners on the cap table.
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That s another thing is like, for me, a lot of the times when I do startup investing, it s to build relationships with the other investors on the cap table, which I think,
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for people that are thinking about this avenue, that that s another thing is like just the people you get to meet and start to partner with, I guess in this case, us, but, but that s like, that s mostly why I do it.
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I mean, obviously angel investing is always risky, but I think if you look at it through the lens of like, not only are you potentially investing in great companies, but you also have the ability to start meeting other savvy investors or other people in the space, like that is another added benefit.
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Yeah, it s a great space for networking and that, for sure.
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And you can get in for a very little amount if you want to start investing and playing around within these startup companies.
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I mean, for us, you could start as low as $200.
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So it s not some huge check that you need to put in.
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And then what s really fun in the marketing is we build all these incentive plans up.
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So if you invest a certain amount or you buy a certain amount, you get a free Woo subscription for a year.
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Some of them are like 20% off all of our products for life.
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And it even tears up where, and some of the higher ones is like, you get to meet with the leadership team and have, you know, quarterly zooms with us.
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There s even one where like there s a founder dinner with Lauren, Michael and I, that you get to network and spitball with us on, on the business.
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I don t know.
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I agree to that.
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I got you one night on a few whiskeys.
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I signed off on that one.
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There s probably many founders out there that are listening and it s no secret that capital markets have been tight and tough and interest rates are crazy.
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And it s just like, you know, I think some of the ways that funds were investing, they re maybe not investing in the same ways.
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I think that, you know, people are looking for
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really responsible, efficient companies, which is why I m confident in what we re doing here because all of these companies have been run well for so many years.
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But for people that are out there, and this is mostly for entrepreneurs and founders or people that are running their own company, I get excited about these new avenues because, listen, the VC private equity world is great and we ve gone down those routes, but this opens up a whole new lane of innovation.
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And I think it also invites a whole new group of people that have never been involved in this world to get involved.
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And whenever I see something like that, who knows if this is the right avenue or not.
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I m confident that for me, this is what it s all about.
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It s like trying new things and going against the grain and doing things differently than ways that they ve been done in the past.
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And so if you re a founder out there and you ve been banging your head against the wall trying to raise capital and you re getting a bunch of no s and you re
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struggling, or maybe people are giving you bad term sheets because market conditions, or they re citing bad market conditions, which, in my opinion, is somewhat bad behavior.
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But if that s what s going on, looking at these kind of platforms, to me, as a founder, is interesting.
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For the longest time, people were like, oh, is this like a Kickstarter, or is this something that s like... People thought it was prestigious to have to go with these funds, and for me, it s like, who gives a shit?
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I think any lane that makes sense for the business is a lane you should look into taking.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, 100%.
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Lauren wants to get into the marketing and the video.
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Yeah, I want to know about the video.
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Tell us about the video.
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Come on.
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Did we make up the idea on mushrooms in Cabo?
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SPEAKER_03
No, you did not make up the idea.
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Michael had the idea.
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Hold on, hold on.
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Let s go on a tangent.
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Let s go on a tangent here.
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I actually think in my head I made up the idea.
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This is a perfect example because God is my witness.
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Lauren does this to me all the time where she convinces herself.
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You know that, what s that saying where if you tell yourself a lie enough times it becomes the truth?
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Lauren tells herself that she comes up with ideas that she didn t, but she believes she did.
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Are you sure I didn t come up with this?
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I m 100% positive.
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You did not come up with it.
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I remember it different, but go on.
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Yeah, that s what I m saying.
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She just remembers it different and then takes credit.
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So along with your campaign, you obviously have to create like a two, three minute founder video or brand video that really just pitches your business.
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And they all live on like the start engine page and every brand has them.
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And so we were kind of diving in and figuring out like what we wanted to do for that.
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And a lot of it is like the videos that are on there, they re very like boring and stagnant.
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And it s like the typical like founder video of like,
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introduction, the problem I found in the market, how I solved it, bragging about the business, its growth, and it s like call to action, we re bringing the community together to invest.
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And I wanted to do something different and we re a sex brand and we re fun.
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And so I had all these ideas.
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That s the other thing is a lot of these brands that say they re about sex and then turn into wellness brands or like tampon brands or whatever.
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SPEAKER_02
That s not sexy.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, no, no.
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And so initially we really wanted to push the boundaries, but you got to be careful because there s a lot of parties involved.
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And again, it is sex and it is still a very taboo subject.
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So the initial idea was to be super funny and have like, there s that whole kind of meme out there that men don t know where the clit are.
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And that s a whole problem.
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Because a real problem definitely that we tackle at Woo is
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like an orgasm gap, which is there s not enough heterosexual women in heterosexual relationships that are actually orgasming.
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But on Insta, there s that whole thing about men not knowing where the clit is.
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We had this whole campaign of me running around searching for the clit, and we were going to raise money to go find the clit so I could educate men across the world where it existed.
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Where s the clit?
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But where s the clit?
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It s underneath, right?
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Is it on the back of your neck?
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I want you both to describe where the clit is.
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Is it on the back of your neck?
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That s why we scrapped this video.
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We scrapped it.
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Where is the clit?
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Tell me where the clit is.
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What do you mean?
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You want me to describe in detail where the fucking clit is?
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You gave me the best description of where the clit is.
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Michael has the best description of where the clit is.
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I can draw it on a diagram.
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There s a little man on the boat.
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The little man on the boat.
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I could point it out on the diagram.
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I could draw it on a picture.
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I would know it if I saw it.
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I m not going to be the diagram.
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You want to articulate where exactly it is.
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If I get close and I have a magnifying glass and I can turn a bright light, I can find it.
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You know what I think it is with guys not knowing where the clit is?
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To be honest, I think it s pure ignorance and laziness.
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Let me tell you what it is.
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You guys are so focused on your own dick that you can t, for one fucking second, take a look under the hood and see
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It s partly that.
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Do some research.
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It s partly that but it s also partly
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that in sexual education, the first thing men see is the baby birthing video.
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What does that have to do with anything?
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That just is like a giant baby coming out.
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Nobody stops and says... You re going to blame... This is not taking accountability.
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I was taking notes in the class.
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You always talk about taking accountability.
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This is pure ignorance and not taking accountability for your own life.
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I know, I m taking accountability.
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Just because you guys see a birthing video, poor you, we re the ones that actually have to do it.
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No, that s not what I m saying.
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You guys can t go out and search on Google for five minutes
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To investigate where the clit is.
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Oh, we search on Google, but when we search it, it doesn t pop up what you think pops up.
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Okay, well go get an anatomy book.
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Put some elbow grease into it, man.
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Yeah.
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Find out where the clit is.
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It s just laziness, lack of education, and then it s also communication.
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Maybe you can educate me tonight.
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There s a communication part too, because it s not just about where it is.
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It s like every girl s vagina is different, and every girl likes different things.
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So there s also a communication.
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So you scrapped that video though, long story short, because that would be a disaster.
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Yeah, so long story short, I scrapped that video because they wouldn t let me do it.
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And so...
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You know where the clit is, Michael.
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Don t act stupid.
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Michael knows where the clit is.
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So I didn t know what to do.
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I was like stressing about, you know, this video or this concept had been denied.
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So simultaneously, Michael had seen this video about someone like with like a nipple bra and it was like this funny like video.
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And Michael was like, hey, you know that like that nipple bra that they came out with?
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We should do the same thing for Woo, but it s the boxer brief dick bulge.
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Where you have this giant bulge.
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I was saying because there was the nipple one that shows that the nipples are always rock hard and I was like what if there was a boxer that showed just a dick being rock hard all the time.
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I like it like kind of clicked two and two together and said okay instead of the clip video we re gonna do the boxer brief dick bulge video.
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It clicked two and two together?
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Yeah, but that video was just a quick 20 second funny viral moment on social that we re going to use that will actually then draw you to the Start Engine page where there s a separate video that actually is like... Explains the company.
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Yeah, we re actually serious because this is a serious thing that will give you a bunch of information on the background of the brand and really what our mission is and what we re trying to accomplish along with all of the success we ve had over the past six years.
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You re all around sex all the time.
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It s sex, sex, sex, because of what you do.
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Why do you think people are so uncomfortable to talk about sex?
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I mean, I think, again, it s just like, even like he was saying, like sex ed and then childhood, like that was weird.
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And then like, it s constantly told like, hush, hush, you don t talk about it as a child, like everything s covered up.
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And so I don t know, there s like some barrier that like, once it gets to like people, like when you get in a relationship and you start hooking up, it s like this weird communication thing where it s like not an open communication and like,
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I think people don t like, when do I talk about it?
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Do we bring up the conversation like before, during, after, like at dinner?
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And it kind of builds off of that.
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And there s just like a lot of like, there s a barrier that people can t pass.
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Well Lauren sometimes has trouble understanding because she s such an open book and an overshare that she sometimes like can t get how people are not so open about it.
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But I mean, there s a lot of things like Puritan society, religion.
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There s a lot of shame around it for some people.
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People also, Lauren, people just aren t as open as you all the time.
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Yeah, people are repressed too.
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It s like they re taught not to talk about it.
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Yeah, the tragedy though in a relationship is it s such an important part, whether people face that or not.
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I think people that don t face that sometimes are, just candidly, we ve talked to so many, you know, relationship therapists on this show, like there s someone in denial about how much of an important role sex plays in a relationship.
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And Lauren and I, in our relationship, we luckily have good sexual chemistry, but we have to keep it top of mind and really work at it.
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It s not something, I think people, you start taking it for granted and you don t talk about it and you don t put the work in.
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It can fall by the wayside really quickly and that fucks all sorts of things up.
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Well, you just started taking that, what the fuck is that?
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Cigars.
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No, cigars?
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Okay, cigars.
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I don t know what that does to the penis.
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It s nicotine.
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They say it s a myth, but I believe that the nicotine gives you a testosterone boost or at least a blood flow thing.
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No, it s not a myth.
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No, I don t think, well, but they say like if you Google like, could cigars boost testosterone, there s not like proven data, but I don t know.
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In my experience, it was pretty good.
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But you also like that Huberman Fadoja.
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Oh yeah.
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For the momentous.
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And again, here s another free plug for momentum, the fiducia and the tongue got Ali.
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I m trying that, but I think that s like, it s, these are just all natural hormone, like boosting supplements that, that I m taking.
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Well, they re working.
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So if you re you, you are you, how are you broaching sex with someone that you re in a relationship with?
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You mentioned like before, during, after, like, how is, what do you think is the right way?
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The Western way?
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Yeah, I mean, I think, well, for one, it s a little bit easier for me because like I m in, I own a sex business, right?
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So it usually gets brought up pretty quickly.
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And then that kind of breaks the ice.
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And then I use that opportunity to then just like, kind of again, clear the air and then bring up other sex topics.
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And like, once you would kind of like break that initial ice and you start
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asking questions or having a conversation about it that s just like normal, then they usually start to warm up and it s a lot easier from that standpoint, right?
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But as far as, then again, I think there s just, again, why there is this orgasm gap of so many women that aren t orgasming during sex, that aren t enjoying sex, that are faking orgasms, is again, there s a lot of, there s a couple different aspects to it, but a lot of it is the communication, right?
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And it s like, I don t think there s anything wrong with like, if I go down on a girl, like I said, every single girl is different, right?
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Like you can go on the internet and you can do a bunch of research on what, you know, how to stimulate and pleasure the clit, what the G spot is, where the G spot is, how to pleasure that.
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There s a million different things, right?
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But at the same time, like every single woman is different.
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So it s not just some like copy paste, like research it online and then know exactly what to do.
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So, after you ve done your education, there s still so much that has to be done as far as communication, right?
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And, like, if I go down on a girl, it s like, I kind of do, like, my first, like, little intro starter thing, but then I ll definitely, like, try to communicate with her and be like... What s your intro starter thing?
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Can you be more specific for our audience?
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Like, tangible takeaways.
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You really want me to go down?
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I m gonna get a lot of fan mail on this episode.
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What s your intro starter pack?
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I mean, I think there s a lot of, like, you gotta, like, go slow with a lot of foreplay beforehand that doesn t, like, I wouldn t just go straight down there and just start.
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A lot of guys just like to stick it in.
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Well, I m not even talking about sticking in.
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I m talking about going down on her.
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Okay.
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Like I wouldn t, like, you know, I wouldn t just go straight down and then just go right for it.
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Right.
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I think there s just like a lot of like, uh, aggressive, just a lot of like, I don t know how to articulate it.
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Like, but like just fun kissing and just foreplay and just going slow.
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And like a lot of, like, again, a lot of touch.
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Right.
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And like also base, you could kind of like, again, with conversation over dinners, you could see like if one of her love languages is touch.
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if it s not, et cetera.
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So then like based on that, you could figure, okay, like she s willing to touch and like you could like figure out like what touch she likes and just like kind of foreplay and then eventually kind of go down there.
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And then I think it s just like with your fingers, it s a lot of like just like subtly like warming up with the clit and then eventually going in with both your clit and I mean, I don t know how I m fucking saying this on the podcast.
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It s the podcast we talk about.
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Don t smoke cigarettes either before you use your fingers.
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When have you ever seen me smoke a cigarette?
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I haven t.
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I m just giving a hot tip, like a hot takeaway for someone who s listening.
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But anyways, after that, I don t think there s anything wrong, especially in a new relationship.
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The problem is people wait a long time in relationships to get into this, and by that time, so much time has passed, and I can t tell you how many people come on here, and then it s a disaster.
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It s awkward then, you know, if you ve waited years to have this conversation with your partner, it s, it s hard to break it.
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Yeah.
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So if you could get in a habit, I mean, there s people that are married that have to work at it, but if you re not married and you re like still like dating, it s like, start practicing communicating right from the beginning.
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There s nothing wrong with it.
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And then like, honestly, some people just have bad sexual chemistry too.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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Sometimes there s just, even like, you know, I ve, I ve been in situations where it s like, it s just not the, it s not the right energy, you know?
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You ve had other situations besides me.
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No, but I m just saying some people aren t compatible.
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No, Lauren, it s just you.
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Ever since I entered this world, it s only been you.
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Okay, good.
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What s your love language?
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Mine?
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Yeah.
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You know my love language.
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Well, I know.
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I just want you to say it.
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Well, I think it s probably... Okay, wait.
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Hold on.
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He s for sure words of affirmation.
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No, no.
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I don t think I m words of affirmation.
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I had a Japanese mother.
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I didn t get words of affirmation as a kid.
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It s not words of affirmation.
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No, but if you do a lot of things for a lot of people,
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and you want them to recognize it.
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I like acts of service.
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If you plan an amazing trip, which you do, and you put all this effort into these amazing trips and you spend all this money, all you want is for the people to be like, Michael, thank you so much for putting that together.
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I had an amazing time.
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You re the best.
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That s what you want.
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That s acts of service though, a letter.
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No, but the words are appreciated.
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A message in a bottle.
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But somebody taking the time to write the letter as the act, it s a little bit, does that make sense?
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So it s a combination of both.
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But it s not touch, it s not, what s the other one?
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Gifts?
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What are they?
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Gifts, touch.
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Words of affirmation, access, what s the... Quality time.
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Quality time?
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Mine s all of them.
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Yeah, that s the thing is it gets fucked up because she s got to understand the love languages.
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But then she commandeers all of them and says that they need to be all of them.
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Hers is hers is touch.
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No, mine s all of them, too.
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Here s the thing, too, though, like there s all these like fun little card games and things out there that you can also play to break the ice.
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Like you can easily like there s there s this one game.
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I was actually playing it like a few weeks ago that it s like a card game and it has all these different things.
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And you ask each other questions and like you can break the ice that way and then like start talking.
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And then you played that game in Cabo.
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Let s fucking date.
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That s the one, right?
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Yeah, that was so cute.
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It was such a great way to break the ice.
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We also did that other one when we were in Florida.
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Oh, yeah, we did.
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Kata, who does flossing on me at the road, gave me this card game.
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Shoot, what s it called?
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I have to put it in the show notes.
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It s so cute.
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That was a little bit more PG.
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Let s fucking dates like I like how it s like so.
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Yeah, it s fun.
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And if like one card s like too aggressive, you pass it.
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And another one, it s like you could learn so much about each other, like about what you like and foreplay and like what your past things were, what your kinks are and like all these little things.
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And it s like an innocent game that you just play and you like drink to it and you break the ice and you can have fun with it.
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But like,
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I don t know, that need, like the communication needs to happen because we re not all the same people that want the same thing.
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Let me ask you this.
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Cause there s a lot of, well, I guess there s a lot of men and women that listen to the show for the, for the relationships that aren t working out for you.
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What are the things that where you re just like, you get the ick and I was trying to explain, I talked about you actually on this podcast one time and I said like my friend Wesson, he talks about the ick factor where all of a sudden you think you re innocent and then you get the icks and what turns out like, what are the things that.
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are turning you off or the things that are people are doing wrong.
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I want to see like, if you re, if you re crazy or if these are like common things.
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Can I add to the ick list too?
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Yeah.
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You can go first.
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You re, you re, you re going to be on the ick list and you haven t been in, you ve been like.
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I ve got the ick.
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20 years you ve been in a relationship.
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I ve gotten the ick.
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Not by you.
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I don t want to sound like an asshole, but also I want to be real for like, for, for men in that sense.
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Be real how we would be in the sauna.
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Okay well I think like the ick for one it s like it s sometimes it s not even necessarily like something later on but basically I think for men in general it s like we were actually talking about this like we almost have two brains we have like our brain here in our head and then we have a brain down in our dick that like thinks that just wants sex and it s going after that and every man has it.
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And so a lot of times you think with your other brain.
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And so all you want, all you envision is you want to like hunt this, like basically like you re a hunter and you want to, you can use regular words.
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You re like trying to be PG with it.
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I could just talk.
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You just want to bust a nut.
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And all you re doing is thinking with a lot of times it s like, yeah, like you, you, you re attracted to growing.
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All I want to do is fuck her.
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And so basically you re, you re on a mission.
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along that mission, there s probably some things that are red flags or that you re not necessarily into or that annoy you.
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But because you re on this mission, you disregard all these red flags or all these things that annoy you because you got one thing to do.
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And then basically once you accomplish that, you re like, okay, I did that.
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And you get your, what do they call it?
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Post-net clarity.
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Then afterwards, all these little red flags and annoying things start to come up, and they really intensify and annoy you, because now that you got what you wanted, now- Now you re thinking clearly with the other brain.
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Yeah, now you re thinking clearly with the other brain, and so you see all these things, and you re like, oh my God, and then that creates the ick.
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That s when you got to go.
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Do you get where you re like so turned on by someone and that you disregard red flags?
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Is that like or no?
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I get the ick.
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This is me personally.
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I can t speak for women everywhere.
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I get the ick when I was dating before I had sex.
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So then I wouldn t have sex.
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The ick saved me from sleeping with a ton of people because I would get the ick before.
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One guy like went out to the bar with me.
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He was like kind of famous and we went back to my house.
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We went back to my house and like he was a good-looking guy and then like he pulled his pants down and was like let s hook up and I was like get out of here like gross and I kicked him out of my house like he didn t even like.
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If that happened to Weston and he had not had sex with the person yet and the woman went back and pulled down her pants said let s have sex there s no way you re getting you re having the sex you re not gonna unless there s some disaster.
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Well, the penis wasn t my vibe either.
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The penis wasn t my vibe.
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It wasn t my aesthetic.
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It didn t, it didn t, it didn t match.
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No, I m a creative person.
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I have a very specific aesthetic to adhere to.
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Um, but the ick is, is a real thing.
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And I would love for you, cause I talked to a lot of guys about this all the time.
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Tell us some of what those red flags are that you re disregarding until after you have your post nut clarity.
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I mean, honestly, it could be the smallest, like weirdest things.
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Like give an example.
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Like their dog and the way they talk to it.
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That s a real story, isn t it?
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No, I m just, I m just giving an example.
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It could be just like random things.
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It s like the ick sometimes it s the ick again, isn t like this huge, like red flag.
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It s an energy.
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Yeah.
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Cause like the, the, the big red flags, like that are like the true red flags that like, she s like, you know, I can t think of me off the top of my head, but like, those are clear.
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Like the, it comes from like these little, just small characteristics in the person s personality that you ignored before.
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But listen to this, I have two younger sisters and what I was trying to explain to them my entire life growing up with them was that many men, especially in this pursuit, will do and say anything in pursuit of getting sex, right?
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There s a compatibility thing between people where if you are not matches, men will disregard not being a match and still pursue until this happens.
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And then what happens is, in the case of my sister, this is not for everyone because everyone s different, but what I would tell them is like,
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You don t want to be caught in that in between where the guy s only pursuing for that and disregarding red flags and then gets it and then says, oh wait, you have a lot of red flags, now I m leaving.
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You got to really take the time to make sure that there s a compatibility thing going on between each person.
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Does that make sense?
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Because to his point, men will ignore the compatibility issues.
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It might not be even a serious red flag.
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It just might be like, these two people aren t compatible.
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just to get sex.
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And then when they get this, and it s not every guy, I m sure it s different, but for most guys that I know.
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And I think that people that are unaware, and we ll just pick on my sisters, if they were unaware of that, you could put yourself in a bad situation with someone you shouldn t be with.
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If I were looking from an outside point of view and I were coaching women on how to land the guy, and this is my own 101,
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is I would say when a man feels like you need them too soon, it s a turn off.
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And I would say make the man pursue you and hunt you.
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Because men by nature are hunters, and when they feel like they re being hunted and they re being held down and they re being suffocated, it s a turnoff.
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And this is through a lot of research, through talking to a lot of different men, is the second that they feel like you re…
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trying to suffocate them, they get turned off.
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I ve noticed this from a lot of men.
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I think we all want to see there s an interest, but I don t think we all want to be aggressively pursued because I think she s probably right on with that.
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Like for me, I want to be courted and I want to be courted till the day I die.
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Just so you know, I want to be courted.
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I want you to open the door for me.
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I want you a chivalry, whatever the fuck you say.
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I want all of it.
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And I want it delivered and I want it like, that s how I want it.
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And I think that when you have that mentality, especially when you re dating or when you re having sex with people, there s an underlying tone of confidence, whereas the other side of it feels insecure.
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Exactly.
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I mean, that s what we were talking about earlier is when you lean in too much, it s because you want it so bad that you re fearful that you can t get it.
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Like my vibe is if I m dating right now, you re lucky to be in my ether.
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I ve been timing this episode on your IV bag.
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That s disgusting.
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If you touch my IV bag, I swear to God.
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I will break up.
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I will be single.
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Grace, what do you think?
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We got about maybe like four minutes left?
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Yeah, five?
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It s gonna go quick when it s down at the bottom.
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If Michael touches my IV bag, that s deal breaker.
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But yeah, I think that you have to have the confidence in your life that a man is a cherry on the top, not the whole cake.
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And they re lucky to be around you and your life is so full and you feel so fulfilled and truly actually feel it.
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I m not saying to fake it, that they are like sort of an afterthought.
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And I feel like that energy is getting lost.
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Yeah, but it s going back to what we said in the beginning of the episode.
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It s really easy to take advice when you re not in it, but people that are in relationships or having those emotions, it s really hard to step back and be logical.
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Yeah.
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That is the difficult part.
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But she, I mean, she is right.
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Yeah.
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I just went through months with you trying to get you to think logically.
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It s tough.
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I fell into it.
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Yeah.
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I mean you re also right too about like I truly think it s like men like are you got to look at men as hunters right and it s like as a woman what are you going to be like an easy like rabbit or hare that gets caught in a cage are you going to be a cheetah a cheetah or are you going to be a lion people hate this conversation now though because like yeah but it s but like they hate the conversation why this is this is biology
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You know what, I was just watching the Napoleon movie and I didn t like it as much as I thought I would because I love that and I was realizing it s like everything that everybody creates now is like they re softening the delivery up for everyone.
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No, I m not softening the delivery.
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But you know what I m saying?
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The delivery is now so soft at the expense of worrying about making people feel uncomfortable or hurting someone s feelings.
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I understand the intention s good, but sometimes people just don t deliver the straight, real information.
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This is the straight, real information.
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You heard it here first.
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And merging the two together, it s like, I think a lot of like the times I ve ever felt the ick, it has been like an easy close, right?
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Like it s been like, it s been very insane.
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Yeah.
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It s like you were the rabbit.
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So for me, it was, I put a cage out with a carrot in it and like, I got you in two seconds and then I got the ick.
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versus the women that have been the cheetahs and the lions, there s much more depth and there s a lot more just kind of seducing that needs to be done.
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And then that creates a connection between you two.
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And then again, you get to a point in a relationship and the ick doesn t exist because you ve built so much off it.
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And she s given this level of confidence that you re attracted by.
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Just like make them come to you, bait them to come to you.
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Stop going to them.
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If someone, if a man especially wants to call you, I learned this from my dad after he divorced my mom, he dated all different kinds of women.
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They will call you.
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They have a phone to pick up.
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If a man wants you, he will pursue you aggressively.
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And I just don t get why we can t have that conversation.
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I guess we can.
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We re having it right now, but like that is a fact.
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Yeah, I ve never met, and myself included, and my guy friends, when they re really into something, they re not aggressively doing what you re talking about.
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What I always tell my sisters is you don t have to wonder.
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You should never have to guess, like, oh, I wonder if he s into me or not.
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If you re wondering, it s probably because it s not.
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And also, my thing is, do you really want someone who s not completely obsessed with you, who s so into you?
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I want the person that I m with to be like, can t get enough of me.
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Yeah.
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Well, anyways, we ve covered a lot of ground here.
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So if people want to invest in Woo,
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and the sexual movement that Woo is providing.
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How can they do that?
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I think this is such a cool way to involve the audience and the community.
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And if people have not invested before, it s a great way to dip your toes in it.
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If you re a savvy investor, it s a fun way to get involved more.
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If you want to come to dinner with Michael and Weston and I and talk about the ick.
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If you know investors.
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Thought it d be interesting.
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Yeah, I think it s a really cool way to engage the community.
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Tell us where we can get all the information and stalk you on Instagram, dropping your DMs.
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Will the campaign be live when this is live?
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Yeah, the campaign will be live.
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So if you re familiar with our website, woomoreplay.com, you can actually go there and you ll see like the banner there and some information and there ll be a button that you will click that leads you to basically startengine.com.
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Or if you want to find the campaign straight from startengine.com, you would basically go to startengine.com backslash offering backslash woomoreplay.
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And I m sure we ll put it in the show notes and everything like that.
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We ll also, right when this, when this episode goes live is we have our Valentine s sale.
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So it s,
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20% across the entire site for Valentine s Day going through I think it s the 31st on all of our all products and all bundles.
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And you could find the campaign on startengine.com or like I said, go to our website.
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And then once you re there and you re interested, I mean, you can basically reach out to us.
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You could set up a 30 minute Zoom with me.
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I could walk you through everything, anything, questions you have.
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And there s a bunch of different opportunities to get involved with our internal team and our community.
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And it s just like, we re really trying to kind of bring everyone together and have like a really cool opportunity for this.
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First of all, it is silicone.
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It s not too loud.
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It has a case.
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So like, you know, when you have a toothbrush without a case, it s a nightmare.
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The same goes for a vibrator.
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This one has a cute case and it s great to use alone or during sex.
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I have like 10.
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You don t know how to charge them.
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You don t ever charge them.
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She s like, why?
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I m a little lazy with the charge.
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No, they re great.
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They re, they re small.
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They re really fun for couples too, that like the guy can use during sex.
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There s been a lot of trial and error.
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You can use them on ball sacks.
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Yeah.
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It s a, yeah.
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And the love oil is the best.
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You ll have the best sex your life.
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I promise you with the love oil.
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Poor Grace from Smooth Aesthetics in Austin who had to sit here and listen to this episode while I did an IV.
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You guys, thanks so much for watching, listening.
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Make sure you watch us on YouTube.
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You can see my IV drip slowly while you hear us talk about the ick.
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At Weston Mitchell on Instagram, go snoop his DMs, stalk his Insta.
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Wes, come back soon.
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Two things before you go, you can watch us now on YouTube.
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So you can go on YouTube, search the Skinny Confidential and watch our entire episodes on your computer or TV.
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Also, you should know Michael and I are doing a him and her newsletter.
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So basically, it s a him and her tip of the day, five days a week.
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And the tips are very specific as you can imagine.
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And then we also have a monthly favorites.
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So basically, we collect all our monthly favorites, everything we ve bought and used and tried and put it in one monthly newsletter for you.
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Thank you so much for listening and we ll see you next time.