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David, so Al Franken, remember when we interviewed, I m doing Chris Farley, remember when we interviewed Al Franken?
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That was awesome.
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Hey Al, remember when you were on SNL?
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Yes, Chris.
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So Al Franken, you re gonna like this one.
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If you like Jim Downey, you re gonna love Al Franken.
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He was a mainstay writer, producer, and performer on SNL for decades.
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Stuart Smalley, he did.
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He was in a lot of sketches as well as writing for years and years.
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And we go into, we do a deep dive into the whole political stuff we wrote in terms of George Bush Sr.
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especially and Ross Perot.
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So there s a lot of process in this one.
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I love that word.
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A lot of process of how you do SNL.
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Hey, I m not gonna be upstaged.
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What the fuck?
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We forgot.
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Oh, wait a minute.
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Who cares about Al Franken?
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We gotta get our looks.
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We don t look the same anymore.
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Thank God.
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We ve done too many episodes.
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We re getting punchy.
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We ve done like 50 of these, 60.
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Anyway, Al Franken, yeah, he s a good friend.
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He s an ex-senator.
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He always was very politically astute and very into politics.
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No surprise he became a senator.
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Now he s out back on the road doing standup and we have a nice chat with our friend, Al Franken.
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I knew nothing about politics and I d go, what is that?
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Who s that?
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That s someone who s a senator?
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And he goes, why don t you know this?
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Yeah.
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You said, who are the dummy crats?
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I didn t know anything when I got there.
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I still don t.
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You know, it s better to stay out of politics at this point.
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Everyone s so angry and sad.
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Even our president.
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I just pay them all the mega Republicans.
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We ve got more mega than the mega Republicans.
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Take over the country in search of time.
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Everyone goes like this.
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Huh?
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Huh?
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Okay.
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Al Franken, here we go.
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It s a good listen.
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Roll it.
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You blame Doc, you sign on Al?
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No, Al is on the phone to Putin or something.
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Yes, I really... Is that Putin?
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Putin, but I wouldn t do it if I were you.
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I just think we can come to... Oh, I got to do a podcast, okay.
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Fly on the wall.
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I got it, I got it.
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Fly on the wall.
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Putin called Al to say, how do I get SNL not to make fun of me?
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We were going to call our podcast the Al Franken Show, but I said, but why?
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He s only going to be on once and they said, okay, but.
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Me, Al Franken.
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Ladies and gentlemen, you re listening to Flat on the Wall with our very special guests, SNL legend and Senator
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Al Franken.
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Thanks for inviting me.
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Of course.
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Al, there s so many things in your career that we re looking at to talk about.
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Your new nickname is The Touchstone.
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I did Saturday Night Live, you know.
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I do know.
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That is a big chunk of it.
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Yeah.
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Harvard.
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We want to go with a deep dive.
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Our other name for the podcast is The Hot Seat.
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So welcome, Senator.
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We really grill them.
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Yeah, I ve heard you grill.
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We love Harvard.
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We re the worst two hosts I think we ve been voted, but that s okay.
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That s okay.
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We re terrible, but we know it, which is kind of helpful.
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That s the charm.
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That s the charm of you guys.
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That s what people love about you.
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Yeah, I didn t go to interview school.
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Right.
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They say you have no qualifications.
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We re like, well, you don t need them.
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It s a podcast.
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You don t need anything.
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You have a chemistry between you.
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Yeah.
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Is that a little Edwin?
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It s an obvious friendship and affection for each other.
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Very funny.
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Thank you.
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And both together.
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I don t know what I m doing.
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No, it s not Stuart Smalley, but it s some other kind of character that s sort of sweet.
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I m on the Upper West Side of New York right now.
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I think I m just channeling the last person I ran into.
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Sweetness.
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There s something about you.
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Dana Al is very smart and went to Harvard.
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He also got a 800 on the math section of the SAT.
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I don t think that s out of a thousand.
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800 on his math.
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You know, my my mom said that on a I I once did a radio interview in Minneapolis and my mom, her apartment had burned down.
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And so she had to come with me.
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I was promoting a book.
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And so we re doing a radio interview.
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And I said, OK, mom, you re not being interviewed.
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We re like in the green room.
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Then I had to go to the bathroom and then I come back and I go, where s my mom?
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And she s being interviewed and she s going, Alan got an 800 on assessment.
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Within 20 seconds, she pulled that out in 20 seconds.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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But okay.
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So seriously, so you re a math whiz or a brainiac.
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I mean, what is that about?
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No, I was just good at math and up to a point.
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I mean, I I was just I peaked at, you know, algebra, too.
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I mean, I was not I took calculus freshman year and I went, what?
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I have no idea what this is useful for.
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And I don t like it.
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And then I became a comedian.
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I have to say, I was good at math, Al, and when I went, one of those didn t click with me, and I think people that are good at all math is very interesting because it was like algebra, geometry, and then one of them I stopped at and said, I don t get it at all.
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And then they go, well, then you re dumb.
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And I go, well, that doesn t.
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Anyway, I was in the Minnesota comedy sketch scene back.
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Was that a big scene back?
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It says that s where you know where you got that thing.
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There was a thing called Dudley Riggs Brave New World, which was like a third city.
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It was like Essie.
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In fact, Del Close taught.
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Tom was in.
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Tom was in their troupe.
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Tom was OK.
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And I ll give you an example.
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You know, Tom Davis and I met in high school and we started performing together at this theater.
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And we went to like an open what they weren t mics.
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It was a little theater.
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And we
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We were able to get on and the owner like this and we were able to do shows there.
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And Tom, I went off to college and Tom became a member of the troop and got the training, the improv training.
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And anyone who s interested in comedy, I would do that because I ll give you one example where it really came in handy.
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Remember Julia Child bleeding to death?
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That s Danny.
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Yeah.
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OK, so Tom and I wrote that and we re looking for an end.
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And in improv, you re taught to look for objects because you re out there on the stage with nothing and you re improvising.
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And one of the techniques is to find objects.
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And at the end, we were looking for a blow for the scene.
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And Tom said the phone.
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You know, there s there s the kitchen phone.
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And so, you know, Danny, as Julia Child is going like, oh, the phone and emergency call nine one one.
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And and Danny picks it up and starts to dial.
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He goes, it s a prop phone.
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and throws it down and dies, essentially.
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And that was like, you know, it was really, you know, Tom and I as a team, each kind of complimented each other in certain ways.
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That was one of the ways he did.
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So people are listening to your to this broadcast podcast
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are really interested in comedy.
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And and young people ask me all the time, should I do improv class and go?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we always say, get it, get in a kind of a biker bar and try to do five minutes.
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That s that s the path.
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You know, stand up a lot.
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I didn t like her bar.
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Whoops.
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Oh, you know how that was one of the best sketches ever.
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That was one of the top, top, most memorable sketches.
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Just well, that was one that peaked on air.
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You know how you know how you had something and you were just going like, oh, please pick on air, please.
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And we that was one of the you guys will attest to this.
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If something worked in dress,
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It was in there, right?
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And that worked in dress.
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And it was Walter Matthau as the host.
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But we didn t have the blood quite right.
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And we held it because we didn t have the blood quite right.
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It s still kind of killed.
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But and here s the thing is that that it was an insecticide sprayer.
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underneath the counter and the special effects guys running it.
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And because Tom and I had written it, we went to the special effects guy and said, can Tom run this?
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Right.
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Right.
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Because it s like part of the joke.
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You got to get it right.
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And and the guy, you know, it s a union job because it now.
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But but they love love Tom.
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And so Tom did it.
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So Tom and Danny time those spurts.
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And and that s, you know, and then, you know, is one of those things where you re going like, oh, please get it all on on on air.
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And it does.
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And you go, yeah, yeah.
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Whoa.
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Wow, so you actually platformed it and then said, let s wait until we get the blood spurt thing.
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Yeah, and that was really rare, right?
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Oh yeah, it would work no matter what, but it wasn t, you know, but I guess.
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That just adds to it so much to make those things work perfect.
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It s so much part of the joke, and then it goes boom, boom, boom, boom, and he s saying something funny, the blood comes out perfectly, and it just builds, builds, builds.
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Yeah, and you know what that feels like.
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when it just works on all cylinders.
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You know what it feels like when it peaks at dress, too.
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That s a sick feeling.
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And there was there were years where we did not tape dress.
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Oh, really?
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So you didn t have a fail safe then?
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Well, for the West Coast and for the repeats.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes.
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Yeah.
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And now they do, of course.
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And so.
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You know.
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Al, when we were there, let s say 91 to 96 was, I mean, I think we did tape dress.
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I never really saw them.
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I never really, they didn t really do anything with them, but maybe they did tape them.
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I don t remember.
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No, I think, I think certainly in the repeats, I don t think they changed it for the West Coast unless something horrible happened.
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I think they do that now though.
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They say, well, they ll see it in the West Coast, the better one.
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Like, wow.
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Yeah, yeah.
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What a luxury.
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God dang.
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I know, I know.
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Al, can I ask for a second something about you and Tom, because it s always interesting, Origin meetings and how you guys were partners in crime for so long, like, do you remember, like, it was eighth grade PE, or did you connect with him right away, or do you have any kind of McCartney-Lennon-esque thing, because you guys obviously connected.
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It was in 10th grade.
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10th grade, and I changed schools.
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I went to the public school system until 10th grade.
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And then my I don t need to go.
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Why?
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I went to this all boys private school, but it ruined my life.
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But anyway, it involves.
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Let s just say it involves shoplifting.
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Yeah.
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And so and then we would have chapel in the morning.
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It was like the school founded at the turn of the 20th century for a school for Protestant boys.
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And they started letting Jews in in the 50s to get the SAT scores up.
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And so
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OK, let that just lay there for a second.
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Well, yes, that s actually truer than it can possibly match.
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But sure.
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So I get there and Tom makes an announcement there.
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So the reason I said that about the religion was that we had chapel in the morning.
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Mm hmm.
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And they had a big pipe organ.
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You sang, you know, Christian, these hymns and Christian songs.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And when the first week I got there, I just didn t sing them.
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And my math teacher asked me to stay after after class.
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And he said to me, Mr. Franken, you want to go to a good college, right?
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And I said, yeah.
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He said, well, you re going to need good math scores for that.
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Right.
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I said, yeah, I d sing the hymns.
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Jeez, blackmail.
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And then I sang the hymns, and I loved singing the hymns.
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You know, Almighty Fortress is our God.
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Oh yeah, did you ever sing Onward, Christian Soldiers?
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You didn t sing that.
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That was kind of catchy.
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Onward, Christian Soldiers.
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Yeah, there s some great hymns.
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And I didn t mind, I didn t care.
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But anyway, so after the hymns and some, you know, the faculty would, there d be announcements.
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And Tom was really funny, and he,
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the organizations would send him up to do announcements.
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So like the first week of school, I went up to him.
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I said, you re really funny.
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And then we started doing stuff together.
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We started doing announcements for the meeting of the chess club or something.
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And we did all kinds of just we did Carnac.
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We did just, you know, all of that.
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They let you do it on.
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They let you kind of screw around.
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They loved us doing that.
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I mean, it was fun.
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And we it was where we really started in chapel.
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Could you, there s been people mentioning, you know, 75 to 80, and specifically Jim Belushi, and I just wanna get your take.
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John.
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John, sorry, Jim.
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Oh, Jim mentions it.
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Yeah, but John, sorry.
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Sorry, Jim, I apologize.
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John Belushi apparently was sort of an intimidating figure, or he became one, but anyway, our friend Jim Downey talked to it,
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And I d like to hear your take on, you know, season three and what was going on with with John, you know.
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Well, I heard Downey s interview with you and it was great.
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I d recommend that to anyone.
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And he mentioned the time that I think he was referencing.
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Then this is my memory of it.
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One of the Charlie s Angels, Kate Jax with Jacqueline Fair or Kate Jackson.
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I think Kate Jackson was the host.
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And I only referenced that was I remember that was it.
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And he was very bad off then in terms of drugs.
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And so he is terrible in dress.
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So Jim and I had written a sketch and I said, we got to just go and talk to him.
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And so Jim was intimidated at the time more.
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And I just knew Belushi from the get go.
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And I just knew that he could be intimidating, but he wasn t going to.
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do anything.
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So I would not not to you, not to the state wrestling champ, but go ahead.
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We ll talk about that later.
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Well, I was hardly that.
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But so anyway, we go in and I go, John, you know, let s run the lines on this sketch, because frankly, you were pretty bad and I didn t know why.
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And he just goes like, get out of here.
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He makes a fist and and down, you know, and I m going like, no, no, I ll tell you what, John, we ll just read them to you so that they ll sound familiar when they re coming out of your mouth.
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And
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And that s what we did.
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We just read him the sketch over and over again.
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And he was marginally better.
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You know, this is kind of his worst point.
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And but I never saw him actually do anything other than
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you know, physically to intimidate anyone other than his bearing.
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And he wasn t, you know, he wasn t great to the women in terms of that showing respect and the women writers and stuff.
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So, yeah.
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But God damn, he was funny.
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Yeah, brilliant comedian.
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I what I m just sort of curious, like what were the things he was taking and how did it affect his performance?
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So is he taking cocaine where he speed up or is he drinking so he slow down or do you think it was mainly cocaine at that time?
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You know, it s funny when I first ran for the Senate, one of the first interviews I had, I thought SNL was going to really help me.
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So my first interview is one of my first interviews
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is the reporter says, yeah, when you were at Saturday Night Live, did you ever do cocaine?
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And I say, hmm, what s that?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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But and then I say, but I only did a little so that I could stay awake late enough to make sure that Belushi didn t do too much.
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Good line.
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Good one.
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And which.
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was a joke, and most people recognize as a joke.
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But the media, I ve learned, has a vested interest in not getting jokes.
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So the guy kind of wrote it up as Al Franken conceded that he used cocaine while at Saturday Night Live.
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Breaking news.
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But said that he only did a little so that he could stay awake late enough to make sure that John Belushi didn t do too much.
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Belushi later died of a drug overdose.
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Connect the dots.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so anything I ever did.
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Oh, my God.
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I think of.
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There is one line in a great sketch comedy killers.
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I don t.
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Were you guys around?
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I think I was.
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It sounds like, OK, comedy killers with the Jeopardy like game.
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But the premise was and Downey and I wrote this and I m sure and other people kicked in.
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You know, it was one of those things where people kicked in at the table.
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So it was just the categories were like cancer.
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a Holocaust.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, that kind of thing.
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And so there s one joke.
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And Rosie Schuster wrote this joke.
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So this might have been earlier than well, or maybe she s got Lauren Michaels, his wife.
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Yeah, it was.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And the it was Jeopardy like.
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So this would have been a bad Hanukkah gift for Anne Frank.
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And then what was a drum set?
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Yeah, that was.
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And so I later told that joke, like I m telling it now.
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And so that gets like Al Franken told jokes about the Holocaust.
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Yeah, this is out of his mind and he doesn t care about the Holocaust.
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Al Franken.
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You should have said he s on pretty good jokes.
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Yeah.
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In one of his cocaine frenzies.
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Yes.
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The holocaust joker Cokehead also said.
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I don t know about you.
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I don t know if I want this guy running the country.
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He feels cocaine and the holocaust are a joke.
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What else does he feel?
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It reminds me of those political ads we used to do.
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Yeah, those are the best.
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Go ahead, Al.
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They re so funny.
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I had a kind of a gap girls.
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It s a story, but it s really just about the gap girls set and Paul McCartney.
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So I think I remember this.
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OK, well, Paul McCartney.
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OK, as well, for your listeners, the first thing that was rehearsed on Thursdays, we shot promos maybe first, but the second thing, maybe the first thing rehearsed was the music, because the music set was the music set and was there.
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So you didn t have to bring a new set.
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So when Paul McCartney came to play, everybody at 30 Rock knew he was the guest and knew when the music rehearsal was.
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So 8-H was was filled with with people for the rehearsal.
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And Lauren goes up and asked Paul, I m there right there, you know, and he s going up to Paul.
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He says, could you do Hey Jude?
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How would how would Warren say that?
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Could you possibly find your way to Hey Jude?
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It s just like a really, really, really big hit.
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Yeah, I think find your way to hate Jude would be.
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Yeah, that s exactly right.
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Yeah.
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So Paul goes like, well, we re not really playing at this tour, so we don t I don t know if we really know it.
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And I go, hey, Jude.
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And he goes, no, no, no, no.
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And because the lyrics are so like this, you know, the data data.
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But I think Paul was actually
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I think they were doing that tour.
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So he goes to the band and he comes back and says, yeah, so they play hate you in the studio full of people there.
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And everybody is so blown away and moved.
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And I m like crying.
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Because this was you know, I was like 16 when Hey Jude came out and it was that it just meant so much in that.
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And I m literally where s my life gone?
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I remember being sitting in the car, not, you know, if Hey Jude was on, I just like.
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arrived at my place.
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I waited to the end.
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Hey, Jude.
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And I m just so moved.
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OK, they re doing a Gap Girls.
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OK, now Gap Girls is going to enter the story.
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OK, great.
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Yeah.
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So we re now we re on Saturday and during meal break, they they have the music rehearsal.
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So I go, of course, because I m going to play.
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And I go on the floor.
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floor, and I noticed while they re playing, hey, Jude, that the gap there s a guard on the girl s sketch guarding the clothes.
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Yeah, because they re so the clothes on the girls get girls get so, I guess, valuable enough to have a guard there.
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So but I see that the guard is so transfixed with, hey, Jude, that and I need some jeans.
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And you need some jeans.
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OK, got it.
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And I need some jeans.
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So I watched during dress.
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He s still during air.
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I took two pair of 36, 36, 36, 30.
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So I was at the time, 30s.
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I m short and.
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Well, you have gigantic legs.
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You and Farley would sometimes, in a fun way, wrestle.
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At least one night, I remember you guys, it was like Godzilla versus King Kong.
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And I didn t really know that I was a wrestler, but your build is very powerful and Farley was, you know, and it was like Goliaths colliding.
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Who actually won that wrestling match in the middle of the night on
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17.
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Well, I think it was just a kind of a man affection thing.
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Yeah.
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You guys were, you know, how playful you did it.
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Yeah.
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Obviously, it was turned on.
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Yeah.
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All the writers also, especially the women.
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Yeah.
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You know,
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Actually, Dana, back to that, the Gap set, they donated a corner, you know, like the set, all from the Gap and it was all real.
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So they sent their own security saying, we have to make sure this comes back in one piece.
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Oh, okay.
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And that s what happened.
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So I remember, cause they told me, they go, don t worry, all the Gap stuff, all the cable crews, everything s going to be still there on Saturday.
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No one s going to be able to pinch.
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And then- And I did.
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Yeah, I think maybe you had told me that.
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That s a great story.
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I actually went to the prop master and said, I took two jeans just full disclosure.
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Have you guys just threw out any kind of career appearance on a TV show or whatever?
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And then there s wardrobe leftover and there s something that you really like.
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And then you sort of ask casually, could I kind of keep this jacket?
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And it s really fun when they say yes, even though it might only be a $20 jacket,
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Something about free stuff on a set or a TV show?
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Well, I never acted in a movie like you guys have.
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Stuart Smalley.
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Well, I did, but why would I keep Stuart Smalley s clothes?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Trading places.
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I got his sweater was what I was going to say.
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Porter.
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I was stone Porter number one and Thomas Porter number two.
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Did you write trading places?
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No, no, no.
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We were just giving this little part and was stone Porter number one, stone Porter number two.
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And we smoke a joint in it.
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And they took that away because Eddie smokes a joint.
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And remember in the bathroom, though, we are playing stone, but we were no one had seen us in the movie smoke a joint.
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So we were kind of.
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Did you actually do like a stoner dude voice?
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Did you do it like a character?
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of like, uh, yeah, like that.
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And we thought that was motivated by them having seen us smoke pot, but it was fine.
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It was fine.
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So Al, you kind of have a reputation, like you do risky stuff.
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And I just want to start with this one.
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Okay, and I don t know if this is true, but it s 1980 Lauren s gonna leave and You were potentially one of the heir apparents to then take over SNL and be the executive producer is that?
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Possibly true, but you wrote a sketch about Fred Silverman the then head of NBC or yeah, that was stupid is that?
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Is that true?
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In hindsight, it s not biting the hand that feeds.
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Did that I mean, what what was that?
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Yeah, I mean, look, my life has unfolded the way it s unfolded.
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So, OK, but that was stupid.
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I yeah, I I what didn t think that necessarily that that was going to happen anyway.
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And I was kind of up for leaving myself also.
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So I just did limo for the limo.
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And it was just about how
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You know, like I didn t get a limo.
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I see even Garrett gets a limo and something like that.
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And but I don t get one.
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And but Fred Silverman gets a limo.
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And then I we were NBC was tanking at the time.
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And I was a couple of like one of the executives attached to the show begged to do it.
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And and we had the ethic that if it s funny, we do it right.
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Right.
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That was kind of it.
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And so did it come back to hurt you in any way?
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Then you re going to leave the show in the sense that Fred Silverman has hated me ever since and that he was the head of the network.
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But no.
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But Al, what about when you, I just watched this whole update bit you did about you came back.
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And I guess it was Gene Dumanian had come and gone within six months and he did a whole update piece.
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Was Chevy the host?
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Is that why he was there?
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Oh, he must ve been.
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I think it was like an interim thing where, who came back with Ebersol, I think.
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Yeah, you were sort of making fun of him too.
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I was kind of making, yeah.
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That was a ballsy bit.
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Yeah, I was saying kill the show or something like that.
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But then a writer s strike happened right after that.
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But you always did edgy stuff, didn t you?
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This is jumping ahead for a second, but just you re not censoring yourself.
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Didn t you suggest that George Steinbrenner, the billionaire owner of the New York Yankees, who was the host, that somehow he would be in all fours with a dog collar?
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No, no, I had him play.
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I wrote a sketch where he s playing Petey.
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who is kind of like wears a beanie and shorts.
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Yeah.
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And it s just and everyone just say like, Petey, you re so stupid, Petey.
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And he would just it was all clearly just a pretext to say or, you know, just to say stuff to the Georgetown like that.
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And he wouldn t do Petey.
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He wouldn t.
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Is that the one where Odenkirk and Conan were supposed to go try to keep talking him into doing a sketch or something?
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No, this was, uh, I don t think so.
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I did PD and I just thought it d be very funny.
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He had like a beanie with like a twirling thing on the top.
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Yeah, and he was just well, I think we made him get on all fours in the sketch.
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I said, I remember going, well, him in the ass.
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That s right.
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I think that s it.
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Yeah, you got him on all fours, kicked him in the ass.
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And were you shocked when he turned down the sketch?
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Well, yeah, I mean, he was kind of weird.
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I don t know if he was the kind of guy.
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He did a decent job.
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We wrote a sketch for him and Nealon and Jan and Victoria, where it was just George is Nealon s boss and the two couples are going out to dinner and Nealon offers to pick up the check.
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And George says, no, come on, I m your boss.
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No, no, no.
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You always picked it up.
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I m going to pick it up.
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And no, I m your boss.
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I m taking the check.
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And I know I m taking the check.
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And then he takes it and goes, well, I was pretty easy.
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And then he goes, OK, I m I m taking it.
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I m taking it.
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And then it just escalates.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He s good on the show.
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Kind of goes, ah, you know, one of those.
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And and Steinbrenner was very good.
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And I just remember him going around eight H asking people where they went to college and like, you know, Penn State.
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Oh, good school.
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You know, Cambridge.
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Oh, nice school.
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And then he came to me and goes, where d you go to college?
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I said, San Francisco State.
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His face went blank and he just turned and walked away from me.
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Really?
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Well, San Francisco State, I guess it wasn t a sexy college.
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God, that makes me think George Steinbrenner is a dick.
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or a guy who just loves higher education.
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You know, I mean, I just, it was just a funny school that I went to.
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It was a good state, it was a fine school.
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There are stories that you always feel like everyone s heard, but I don t really know the George Harrison legendary visit.
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I ll give you a choice, either that or talk about the character, the brain tumor comedian.
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Okay, I ll do Harrison real quick.
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They re both, yeah.
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So this was an epic thing.
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I missed it, but he comes to SNL in what year, like 90 whatever.
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Probably not 90, I would have been there.
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95.
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89, 88, something like that.
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Conan is there.
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And I wasn t there.
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I discussed this with Conan.
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And basically, George Harrison shows up at on the 17th floor.
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He and Lauren are going out to dinner, OK?
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Oh, yeah.
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George Harrison s here.
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George Harrison, you re going out to dinner.
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You come.
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They come back.
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few hours later, and he is just drunk.
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And so now it s like ten thirty eleven.
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I love it.
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And as you know, this is Tuesday night.
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This is Tuesday night.
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And that s right.
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Night show gets written.
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And this year I was one of the producers or and.
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Uh, he starts to play the piano fun and a gift in the read through room.
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And everyone just is like gathered round.
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And George Harrison s playing the piano, the Beatles playing the piano.
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And it s going on and on and on.
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And I m going like the show is not going to get written.
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And so I just go to Phil Hartman.
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I say, Phil, watch this.
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And you remember my desk, my office is right next.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah.
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So I go in my office and I just slam my door as hard as I can.
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I didn t see him because I m inside.
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But he evidently, George, like jumped like three feet off the piano bench, came down and then left.
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And everybody was just furious at me.
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And I just said, we got it right.
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We got to write this show.
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And of course, Rue McClanahan was the host.
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No, no.
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And she sat down at the piano and wouldn t stop that piano.
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That s that story.
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And the brain tumor comedian was it s Tom is so funny in this piece.
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It s you know, we would do the Franklin Davis show, which was a show within the show.
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And this one is I have a brain tumor and I have this this bandage with a big lump.
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this colored lump on it.
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And and and Al s always wanted to do a single.
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And he s this is you know, he s got a brain tumor.
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So, you know, you can really enjoy this, folks.
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This is Tom.
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And then I start, you know, you know, you hear about the rabbi didn t give
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You know, didn t charge for giving circumcisions.
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He only took tips.
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Woof.
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And then the next next joke I tell, I start to space out.
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And every joke I always the punch is always he only took tips.
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Oh, and then Tom behind me would go would like encourage the audience to laugh.
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And and it was really funny.
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And Tom was really funny.
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And of course, we got a few letters.
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Have you ever watched your, you know, wife die of a brain tumor?
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Have you ever thought of a sketch out unless where you thought of it and said, ah, no, no, too much.
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Too, too, too far.
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Yes, of course.
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But I can t remember any.
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OK.
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Yeah, but I can t remember.
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I was feeling far in between.
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But let s talk about some stuff we did together.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And Downey, I think I ve told you this.
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Downey had this credo for the for the political material we wrote, which was Downey.
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It was a moderate Republican, a very thoughtful, you know,
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conservative in the best sense of public.
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And I m obviously a very progressive Democrat.
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And we felt that it wasn t the job of the show that to we just we felt the job was to do satirical political satire that was well observed, but not, you know, biased in one way or another.
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So and and Downey had this motto, which was we re going to reward people for knowing stuff, but not punish them for not knowing stuff.
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So the point was, is that you could watch it and not be a political junkie at all, not follow politics very closely and understand it.
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But if you were someone who did, there was another layer.
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And that that s that s pretty sophisticated stuff.
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But but Downey and I were pretty I m very proud of the stuff I did with Jim.
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And we did so much with you.
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And Jim didn t say this.
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When we re talking about you doing the Bush Cole openings, which we use as a crutch.
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I mean, I was basically we can always do Dana in one on home base.
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And and Downey is right.
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Sometimes we wrote him on and and they were long.
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Here s the thing that I tell people a lot, which is in dress.
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And I we those were well written, by and large.
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Downey kind of said, well, sometimes we three out there with nothing I don t.
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You know, I don t remember that.
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Yeah.
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But what would happen is we would send you out there with something actually well, you know, well thought through.
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You would get so many laughs.
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At will, because you do the you just do your the hand over there doing that.
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You do it.
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It would spread.
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And that whole area will get laughs.
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So we had to tell you between dress and air a number of times, which I don t think anybody has ever told a performer.
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Don t get so many laughs.
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Because we because you re you re not following the through line of the audiences and they re losing the through line.
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And you knew exactly what we were talking about.
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You knew exactly how to dial it down.
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And you did every.
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fucking time, fucking time.
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And which was you knew exactly what you were doing.
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You had such control.
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And of course, you helped write those and added to them.
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And I also want to tell another story about you, which is and I think I ve discussed this with you, but
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in in I guess it was when Clinton run 92.
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Mm hmm.
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So Tsongas was running and Jerry Brown was running.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And we had a two week break, which was rare and a two week break.
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And you said to me, you know, as
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We were about to go on break.
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So can you work on song is for me, you know, just on the idea of song and what to do with them.
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And so I started playing around with his voice and I nailed it.
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I got it really great.
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And then I went to I gave a speech at the Kennedy School, you know, on political satire.
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And I killed with fun.
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So I come back and I m really embarrassed.
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And I say to Dan, could I do song?
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And you just went, yep, I ll do Jerry Brown, Jerry Brown.
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And the thing about you is that you knew Jerry Brown.
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Yeah.
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Part of it is that you went to a lousy San Francisco state and California.
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Jerry Brown was a great character, but your song was hysterical.
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Whatever your take was, I remember it killing.
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It was a snagglepuss with a Massachusetts accent.
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Yeah.
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And he really had a voice that odd.
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I mean, it wasn t that big a leap.
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Yeah.
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Very extreme.
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Yeah.
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I have a question now.
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When you and Dana were formulating Bush, it was right before I got there, but I just watched a Bush Dukakis early on debate, which I don t even know if it was a cold opening.
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It was 14 minutes, which is pretty long.
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It might have been, but it was great.
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It was during the campaign.
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It was hilarious.
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That was Diane Sawyer.
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You discussed with Downey the line, which was, I can t believe I m losing this guy.
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Yes.
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And yes, I wrote that line, but the line only worked because of this long sentence.
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Right.
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Of Bush rambling.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, and it was Diane Sawyer, Jan Hooks, playing a very sultry Diane Sawyer.
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So funny.
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Hilarious.
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And basically asking him a question and
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You kind of go, well, say the course.
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Thousand points of light.
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Mm hmm.
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Stay the course.
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And then she just went for the first time in this.
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She just went.
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You still have another minute.
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Forty five.
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Mr. Vice president.
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And he just saw.
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Well, say the course.
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Yeah.
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And then bring it down.
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She does that back and forth with you like three or four times.
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And finally, she goes, governor,
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And then I can t believe I m losing this guy.
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So that was I wrote that line, but only because of that setup.
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set up that line.
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I think I started a line off the set.
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And Lovitz nailed that one by the way.
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He was great in that sketch.
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Lovitz was great as Dukakis and I don t know if I ve told you this Al, but on election night when Bush won, Lovitz called me and essentially conceded
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Well, you re going to be doing the president for four years and the fake Dukakis conceded to the fake Bush before the real Dukakis conceded to the real Bush.
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But then I knew I was going to be in the hot seat and I didn t really have the impression at that point.
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You didn t quite have it.
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And we did sit down and you started developing that.
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Well, do you remember the exact moment?
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Cause it was just you and me in a room trying to find it.
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And I just said that doing that thing out there with the finger up the lazy finger, that was doing that thing in that whole area.
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And we both looked at each other and laughed.
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And that was, that was the end.
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It s very interesting how one little hook and then it went to not add that.
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Well, I remember I you re one of the first guests on my podcast.
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And you said to me, because I laughed and you said laughter is the oxygen of comedy.
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Yeah.
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Oh, definitely.
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If you have someone laughing and you re riffing, then it is the machine keeps going.
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So you laugh.
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And I knew I like, OK, this is great.
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And then we had Jim Downey coming in.
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It s like I felt really blessed to have you and Jim Downey.
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working on it, but you seem to be the primary driver, instigator of the subject matter, which we talked about, but it was interesting that when Bush was riding so high, it was 90% approval after his first two years in, in the Gulf War, all the sketches- It was because of the Gulf War, yeah.
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Yeah, all the sketches were about how he was impenetrable.
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And when I did it at DC for the Democratic fundraiser, everything was about, I m gonna get elected, and it was just this super happy comedian.
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He was literally at 89%.
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Yeah.
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Well, try to beat me.
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And that s because he let us out of, you know, Saddam invaded Kuwait and he put this coalition together.
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Put the coalition together.
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Everyone could do it now.
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Well, it s the guy you re just doing the guy who figured it out.
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And, um, and not unlike what Biden is doing now, in a way, we got, we got inflation.
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People can t get the baby formula.
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I love yelling Biden.
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I love, I love his yell.
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It s so funny.
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Yeah.
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We got to find a way to do it.
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You know, one of my favorite hooks that we we started doing this kind of a couple of years ago or something, we started trying to work on Biden and you were doing it.
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But one of the hooks I like is and that s that s no hyperbole.
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He does that a lot.
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Yeah.
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My father lost his job.
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No joke.
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That was the first one.
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No joke.
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No joke.
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That s right.
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No joke.
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Not kidding around here.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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Number one.
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Yeah.
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What the guy says.
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The Nazis killed 6 million Jews.
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No joke.
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No joke.
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Well, I thought that was a joke.
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Okay.
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That was the first hook into him.
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Now, in fact, is a lot.
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And guess what?
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you know there s a lot of you know i don t know i don t know how to create jobs and not a great that i ll be a job creator and i think that s a little whisper and then he goes back to the other but uh... there s a lot there for sure
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And then we had Perot was dropped into our lap during to just follow that sequence.
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Well, remember that I, you know, I just saw Perot and I got a tape and we went in Lauren s office and showed you Perot.
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and you said, oh, there s a three-dimensional comic character.
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There he is.
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Yeah, it was like Sarah Palin and Ross Perot are sort of bookends of three-dimensional comedically already funny characters that just walked on the stage.
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Perot was like next level funny as a character.
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He was, and then we did a cold opening.
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You wrote the very first one, and it was a very funny take.
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Do you remember?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was.
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Yeah.
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Basically him saying, you don t have to pay me anything.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But if we GP gross domestic product goes up four percent, I get a billion dollars.
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It was like he gets a taste.
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Yeah.
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And then he called the next you know, he called on Monday.
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At 9 a.m., of course.
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And we got in at 2 p.m.
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and a receptionist got us on with him.
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And you and I were on and he was not interested in the writer at all.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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Of course.
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But he at least he seemed to be a good he was a good sport about it.
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I mean, he said, you know, here s an idea.
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I think most
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yeah go ahead this is a great idea you go out and campaign as me and i campaigned as me so it d be two of me campaigning all over the place i mean he just thought that was precisely what he said yes yes that s exactly what you don t have to write anything with it i i know and uh
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And well, you played both Perot and Bush and lucky Spade got the full circle.
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Yeah.
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Got to be in the wide shot as.
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Fucking wide shot productions.
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David had to get the hair, the nose, the ears, the suit, everything to look like Perot.
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I m so stupid, I didn t even know what was going on.
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I thought, am I doing Perot?
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I go, I guess Dana can t.
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Into the magic of TV.
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And bad luck, he could.
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And I do remember seeing Perot on something, and obviously I wasn t a political guy, and I was like, Al, what you were saying is, if you re just a casual viewer, you get, you know, I understood the cold opening stuff.
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I didn t get the second layer of jokes.
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But I was just, I wasn t political, so I didn t even really, wasn t about Republican, Democrat.
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I was just going, is this funny or not, whatever.
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And they were always great.
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And then when Perot was on something on the weekend, like a Meet the Press I accidentally saw,
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Thought oh this look at this little clown.
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This is hilarious And he was he was like someone gets to go do a stand-ups act, you know Cuz he s already funny and I go and he was a little pipsqueak and I go Oh, maybe I could and that s how out of it.
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I was by the time I called smuggling I said, hey, is there any ways like we got it covered?
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I m like I ll probably even more fun than George Bush senior at least this phrase.
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You re not listening Can I finish?
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Just that, to me, that s like, you re not listening.
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Can I finish one time?
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Or are you getting it right again?
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Can I finish?
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Can I finish?
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Can I finish one time?
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You re not listening.
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Can I finish one time?
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It s like James Brown or something.
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Can I finish one time?
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Hit me.
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Yeah.
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Well, that s the thing is that you, you know, your impressions are musical in many ways.
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It s all chopped, it goes all back to chopping broccoli.
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Chopping broccoli, yeah.
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On the first show, once I had the- She chopped!
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She chopped!
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She chopped!
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I know.
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I have no excuse for it, except that I think I m trying to make myself laugh, and then it just makes me laugh.
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Someone going, can I finish one time?
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Or are you going to interrupt me?
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It s so goofy and cartoony.
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Can I finish one time?
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But he did say something like that.
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Well, it s all making yourself laugh.
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That s all it is.
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People ask me, what is your favorite?
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You know, what s your favorite moment from Saturday Night Live?
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Fifteen seasons you did.
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And I say that my favorite thing on Saturday night was three in the morning, rolling on the floor, laughing with the writers, with the cast members, just and part of
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You know, Woody Allen once said that writing comedy is either easy or it s impossible when it s easy and it s your friggin job is what you re supposed to do.
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Yeah.
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So this stuff is making you laugh.
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And, you know, and it could be downing on a riff.
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It could be you coming up with, you know, you and Nealon doing Hans and Franz.
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It can be bye bye.
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It can be
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You know, and you just are going like at that moment of creation that someone s doing something and you just it s so funny.
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But the added thing of we just did our job really well.
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Yeah.
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So sometimes that rewrite table, it could be four in the afternoon or four in the morning.
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And if someone cracks the code on something and everyone starts laughing and then everyone riffs on it, that s the funnest time.
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Because everyone s good at the table.
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So everyone s throwing in something good from right and left.
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And you go, wow, this is really jumped a sketch way ahead of where it was.
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David, I saw David tell the other day or a couple of months ago, actually, at the Comedy Cellar.
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And I just said he was at the table for a year or something.
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And and he do you remember?
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The Bobbitts, you know, she cut off his penis.
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Yeah.
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And I think and I was doing a Stewart with, I guess, Myers was the guy and Rosie O Donnell was Lorraine Bobbitt.
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And I I had a line that I didn t have the punch to.
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I go, so how did it feel or how does it feel now?
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And and a tells line was it itches.
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And why it just when someone does something like that, you know, it just it s such a gift to have that table.
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And then sometimes the table is so deadly.
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I get three in the morning.
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Well, I just remember like a lot of food, like guys around the table and some women of course on 17th floor.
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And I m thinking it is kind of like nothing s going on.
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Like it seems like the deadest space in the world and there s Chinese food or pizza.
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Everyone s leaning back on their chair, tapping the pencil.
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Windows cracked one inch because everyone s dying in there.
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And you can t believe there s going to be a show.
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But you told me once, Al, you told me that I peaked at read-through, you know, and that really helped me going forward.
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Sometimes you try to get it on so hard in your first year that you literally never get back to it.
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You ve peaked at read-through and you definitely don t wanna peak at dress unless you re at war to get it on air.
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You wanna leave a little something.
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So there s a lot of inside baseball about that.
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If you have an insider with Al, if Al s writing with you,
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And your read through, I think it s a little easier to pull back because he s going to be in the room saying he s going to bring it up.
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So you at least have a partner there.
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There were years that I was in the room and I was listening to hear Downey kind of talk about the most fun he had at the show was when he just was writing.
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and not producing.
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And there was a little, it was nice to be able to go in there and express your opinion on what gets picked for read-through and stuff like that.
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But also, yeah, there s something nice about just being a writer too.
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And also I was performing every once in a while.
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Well, as a cast member, you want to hook up with someone who has Lauren s ear and Lauren trusts, you know, in the room after the read-through.
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That s always a nice thing to do for people who are just beginning cast members.
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A little tidbit.
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Al, we can t go without talking about Stuart Smalley.
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I remember the Michael Jordan one was probably such a huge home run.
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That one s...
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That was a peak on air.
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One of the greatest sketches, yeah.
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Yeah, that was, that was, you know, I mean, uh, kill killer.
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Well, and, and he was, uh,
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I think he was cracking up or something too much or something in dress.
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And I just said, just dial it, you know, and he understood it.
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I mean, so here s a guy, you know, he s a very oh, you know, one member when Lauren hosted or produced the ESPYs.
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Mm hmm.
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I don t know if you remember.
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Maybe you weren t around for that.
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So he sponsored that produced produced the SPS.
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And so I was a presenter and I did this joke and it died.
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And I thought it was a great joke.
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And this was the year that they did the second three peat.
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Right.
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The Bulls did.
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So I went up there and I just said, and remember, this is a lot of athletes and a lot of people in sports.
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But I just go like, you know, a lot of people are saying that Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player who ever lived.
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Well, all I can say is
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Michael, prove it.
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And it just like it s not the right crowd.
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They just go.
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He has proven it.
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That was her attitude.
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Yeah.
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The fuck is this guy?
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I remember that laying an egg so bad.
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And I went, oh, okay, this is not a comedy crowd.
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Jordan at that show running around was such a big deal.
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That was so much fun.
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Was he kind of the biggest guest in that way?
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Jordan, that when we were there, I think I mean, I in a way, I mean, he s I remember that was the first time we were fielding NBA players in the Olympics.
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And I just said to him, so how do you think you re going to do?
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And it was like him and magic.
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I mean, you know, it was like, yeah, it was.
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And he said, oh, and he was so
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confident, and of course, they just kill everybody.
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Without even trying, really.
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But I just remember the exuding confidence.
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And the competitive.
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He had a moment with me.
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He goes, do you golf?
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I go, well, a little bit here and there.
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I go, but I m lucky to break 100.
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And he paused, he looked at me, and he s towering over me.
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He goes, well, you re not very good, are you?
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Yeah, you don t seem very athletic he bets a lot of golf and he bets like each hole and he bets because I golf and I
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I m not very good either, but it s fun.
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The stories you hear from Caddy s in these great golf courses where he comes in and sweeps people and he loves it, loves it.
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He just always looking for some action, which is great.
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It s a cool thing about him.
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People love him.
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Michael Jordan.
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Well, I think athletes just kind of blow our minds.
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Old movie stars when Robert Mitchum came on, Charlton Heston or Wayne Gretzky.
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Wayne Gretzky showed me how to hold a hockey stick.
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Wayne Gretzky got on his knees and laced up my skates and showed me how to do that.
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So there s moments, yeah, you re like, damn.
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And the musicians as well.
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Yeah.
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I wasn t there for Peyton Manning, but I thought, did you see that show?
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I wasn t.
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I thought he was hysterical on the show.
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I saw it.
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He was fabulous.
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Yeah.
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There were a number of of these guys who were just really, really good.
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And some of them on some of them were loxes.
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Like, yeah, but they re almost funny being boxes.
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Do you remember a piece?
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We Tom and I wrote this kind of figure out who was there, which one of you were there or it was Joe Montana and he was Walter Payton.
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Well, yeah.
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But on this one, Joe Montana, who was kind of a locks,
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Um, we just thinking out loud, thinking out loud.
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Yeah, yeah, it was.
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It was, uh, it starts off with, uh, Phil and Jan and he s trying to get her to stay the night.
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And and it s that cliche of he says something and then you hear what he s thinking.
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And then she says something and we played it.
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Tom and I wrote it so that you thought that was the sketch that that we thought that was the comedy.
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And if you re watching it, you re going like this is kind of lame.
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This is a device that people use a lot.
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And then his roommate comes and Phil s going, oh, no.
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And he says, this guy, you know, my roommate is the most honest guy there is.
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And then at one point he goes,
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You know, he says, it s nice to meet you.
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And then his thought is, it s nice to meet her.
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And then the last line was, I m going to go upstairs and masturbate.
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And then I m going to go upstairs and masturbate was his thought.
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Right.
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And my God, it was so funny.
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And it was partly funny because he was a locks.
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Well, and it was competitive with himself.
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I was told that he wouldn t come out of his dressing room.
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It had to at the end of the show.
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He thought he didn t do well, that kind of thing.
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You re a football player.
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But I got to play catch with him.
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He did fine.
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It was funny.
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No way not to do well as an athlete.
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Bill Russell did well, did really well.
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I just I did a I did a roast with Peyton and
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I didn t see his SNL, but I thought it d be fun to have Peyton in there.
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And he crushed it.
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He s crushing, you know, they wrote him jokes, but he delivered them.
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He was great.
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He got huge laughs, huge applause.
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He s always, he s got a very light, funny thing about him.
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And that s why I think he s in all these commercials and does that Manning cast.
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It all works.
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You know what I ve discovered in comedy?
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Some people are funny and some people aren t.
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Really in all your days, that s it.
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Yeah, do you guys think it like you were there s 900 of us Dana That was you know, one of Lauren s great things.
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There s only about funny people.
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There s only 900 of us on the planet
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And it was kind of like the perfect number, right?
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Yes.
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Since, Al, you were there in 75, I just want to ask you this question.
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Was anyone cognizant of the idea of taking a football player or a dramatic actor or whatever and forcing them to become a live sketch player?
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The reality show aspect
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of Saturday Night Live that sustains it.
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Because if you see a football player or a singer trying to do this and they re kind of bad, it s still compelling, you know?
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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You know, the first one we had was Fran Tarkenton.
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There you go.
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And that was Franny s idea.
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That was my wife s idea.
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Because of the namesake a little bit?
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Fran Tarkenton and Franny.
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And how was it?
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He was very good.
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And it was Vikings quarterback for the audience.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This is this going back a ways.
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And, you know, he wasn t.
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the greatest who had ever done it, but he was he was very good.
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And I remember Belushi for that.
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We did a cold opening where Belushi is like a coach.
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We did a football, a lot of football themed thing.
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And Belushi made me go back to his apartment and read to me Dick Butkus s autobiography.
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And I had to stay there like all, you know, hours while he read this thing.
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And he worshipped Dick Butkus, who is a linebacker for the Bears, Chicago Bears.
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I did a TV show with Dick Butkus and Bubba Smith called
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It was with James Farentino and it was this helicopter cop show.
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Airwolf?
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No, it was Airwolf.
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Blue Thunder, the cop show.
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I played the Daniel Stern part.
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And what did you play on it?
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I take some Viagra for that.
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I played the sidekick in the back of the chopper with a helmet on, Clinton Wonderlove.
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just another frustrated observer.
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Like I wanted to be out- Clinton Wonderlove, that was your dumb name.
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James Farentino would have a styrofoam cup full of vodka and he would smash the pages of the script on the thing and yell at the crew like Scarface.
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What year was this?
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What year was this?
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I just took stuff.
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At 84, I had no confidence that I could be on Saturday Night Live really.
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So when people said, I luckily got cast in things, I just did them and they were a complete waste of time and I got fired
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But I got into the outfit, went into the fake chopper, they re going around blowing steam at us, and then they said, Dana, come down the ladder in front of the whole crew.
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They fired me, and I had to do the perp walk and go just in front of everyone.
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I go to the wardrobe guy, really nice guy, and I go, I m a comedian, I m funny, this is like 84.
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He put his hand on my shoulder and said, shh, it s okay.
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It s okay, son.
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And then he saw me like eight years later in 93.
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He goes, you were right.
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What the fuck?
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What were you doing in a helicopter?
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I had a very strange route to SNL.
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I mean, you saw me once right out.
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You were in 84.
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I probably bombed.
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I did and I blew it.
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I blew it.
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I saw you doing stand up in San Francisco.
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I probably wasn t.
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That guy is brilliant.
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But you know what?
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You weren t ready.
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Well, you know, ready a year later, I would just say confidence until you re kind of famous is a wide range of how you ll be on a given night.
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And if you lose a little bit of confidence, at least for me, I don t know about Dave Chappelle.
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You know what?
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Or Robin Williams.
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But yeah, go ahead.
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I don t think I was the best judge to do this.
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You know,
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I that year, that was the year we came back from being gone.
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Right.
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Then Lauren came back to being gone.
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Yes.
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Eighty five.
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You know, we picked we picked Lovett s that year.
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We got a few good people, but we I think there are some people that we missed that were really that ended up being real huge.
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It s always easier.
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after the fact to say, oh, why didn t you pick that person?
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But you know, when you see them, sometimes it s too raw or too rough or they haven t developed and you just, it s an easier miss.
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It s better to wait.
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You know, there are people sometimes they ll put them on when they re not ready, they re 21 or 22 and not ready.
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But for me to get on with Phil and Jan, frequently do the church chat sketch.
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Rosie Schuster was the one who was helping me form, I had the character, but the platform.
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Then all these religious scandals happen.
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and you and al came on and you did swagger right so throughout that first year i think i did pat robertson robertson and then phil did swagger and then they did sammy finger so i have this church lady character i get fat perfect yeah and then these scandals start happening and so but that that was that was fun you doing pat robertson like laughing or crying i remember but it was a very funny take on pat robertson my pat robertson was just very happy yeah
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That was the key to him.
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He was just very joyful.
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There s a woman in Ohio who s just had her diverticulitis cure.
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Something like that, you know, but he was just happy.
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He was a happy Christian.
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And you started laughing.
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That was my take on him.
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Then Phil was crying and then we closed in on a close up or something like that.
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And you re just like two idiots not talking.
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I heard you, maybe it was with Jim about how
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They censored George Floyd being in, you just became dirtier.
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Yeah.
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And it was fine.
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Couldn t say penis, but I could say throbbing, bulbous organ, willingness.
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Naughty parts, sweating and grinding.
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Yeah.
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So that it was, it became, yeah, it was pornographic to me.
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I don t know, but that was.
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well all they care about was that someone going to complain yeah and they re not going to make a complaint about bs because it s been a right they re not good complain about robin robin naughty parts
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I remember Andrew Brewer, who was our kind of cool censor guy, he wrote into the podcast, because we ve talked about him, but we always say positive things.
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He s always in like a tough position and he d always go, guys, come on, you can t do this when you re not saying pussy like that.
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And I m like, no, what do you mean?
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We always play dumb.
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What are you talking about?
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Oh, that s right.
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You had that very, uh, indistinct.
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Oh, that s right.
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You remember that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What was that?
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I still have it between my legs.
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Um, no, uh, it was on weekend update and I, I, I sort of mumbled the word pussy and, uh, and Dennis was like, Spudley, I wouldn t mess this one up.
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You re going to be fucking out of here.
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You re already teetering on a thread.
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I m like, what?
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And then, uh, and then, uh,
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And so I said, the in and out list, you know, I think the out list was going out after the show, getting all fuzzy.
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Oh yeah, the in was, I was saying, you re not, oh, in is not enunciating enough to get caught by the censors, and then the out was going and getting all fuzzy.
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It s like a ventriloquist.
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So I walk in the hallway and Andrew s shaking his head, walking me, going, Spade, come here, and I go, what?
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I have no idea what you re gonna ask me and then he goes come on dude and I go but it did pretty good address so he goes come on you can t we got we got advertisers saying we pull out if he does this and so I do it and then Dennis is right next to me going I don t know spud and so I do it and it gets too big of a laugh and Dennis is like it s curtains for you guy
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Did you want too big a laugh was trouble?
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Yeah, because it means you said it to everyone understood it.
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Yeah.
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Well, I don t know.
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But I got along really well with most of the sensors.
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Yeah.
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You know, Clarke worthy.
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Because I know you mentioned him with Jim.
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I really like Bill.
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He was a nice guy.
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Yeah.
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He was a lovely guy and he tough job.
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He stood by a couple of things I did that were I did.
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Do you remember first you for the NBC reporter wrote a book about her having a mastectomy and it s called First You Cry.
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And then I did a sketch.
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when we had it was first he cries and it was it was Gilda.
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Unfortunately, in retrospect, it has a mastectomy and Bill Murray is her husband.
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And he just goes, you know, it starts feeling really sorry for himself because his wife is horrible.
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Well, the whole point was it was satirical, which is no guy doesn t do that.
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Yeah, that is a joke.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That was the joke.
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And so and B. Arthur was like oncologist.
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And she s basically saying this happens all the time.
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And the fact that he s got a girlfriend now named Bambi is not, you know, is to be expected.
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And and Cloutworthy s wife had had a mastectomy.
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And he just said to me, I love this sketch.
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Wow.
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Because he got the satiric.
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Yeah.
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Point of it.
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And that was that was when you just went, oh, and I was really good friends with all the sensors because I talked to them all the time.
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Yeah.
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because my stuff was, you know, I had to deal with them all the time.
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Yeah, call down.
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Edgy.
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All right, Dana, what else you got for Al, this poor guy?
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We re looking for the ringer.
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I don t know, I wanted- Well, I m having fun, so.
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I know, it is fun.
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Stuart Smalley, we got to that.
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There s too much.
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I will have one last thing.
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You didn t write Reagan Mastermind, did you?
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That was a great- That was Smigel s.
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That was Smigel s.
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I kicked in, but- Yeah.
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You know, that had a line that Chippendales had, which was, oh, this is the part of the job I hate.
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And that was Mike Myers line when they had to choose between Swayze and Swayze and Chris and and, you know, so hard, you know, they re consulting and Myers goes, this is the part of the job I hate.
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So that was one of my favorite lines.
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I don t think I wrote that in.
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Uh, Downey wrote Chippendales.
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I had one.
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I got my name was on it, but it was because I sat with him while he wrote it.
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And that s a good trick.
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I, I had one thing in it, which was the name Barney.
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Barney.
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Yeah.
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Barney and Adrian, right?
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Barney and Adrian.
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Adrian Barney.
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Barney.
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Yeah.
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That was Nealon.
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Great.
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Yeah.
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Well, Nealon,
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But Nealon, the greatest attitude player.
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That was what was great.
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It was like you just knew Nealon could play attitude.
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Downing, I wrote a piece which was and then you think about how of the time it was, it was a toothpaste ad which had had Garrett and Victoria and that Garrett, Tim Meadows, I guess, and
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Victoria Jackson, and they re pitching it for the Country Music Awards.
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And Kevin is the guy who is receiving the pitch and has to say, no, we don t want to put
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And it ends with this big kiss.
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Right.
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And this is I can t remember what year it was, but this was not something you would put on the Country Music Awards.
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A white woman kissing a black guy on the lips.
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And it was Nealon trying to say no without saying that.
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Right.
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saying all the reasons it wouldn t work, but just, you know, just.
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Yeah, that sounds very.
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Yeah.
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I can t remember the lines, but you give him attitude.
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And it was just he was a master.
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Yeah.
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Maybe he is.
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He is.
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Yeah.
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I could think of something else to do here at this beat.
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That s you know, then I ran for the Senate.
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A little birdie told me that you ran for the Senate.
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Yeah.
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And then, uh, uh, yeah, it, uh, look, you, you guys, this, this idea of doing that you ve had, I love that you re having writers on.
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I kind of go by like people in high school or college that are just interested in this or interested in comedy.
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It s kind of interesting to hear it just straight from people.
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their process or how it happened and and why and the whimsy of it all to just like where it is where s your inspiration come from now you once told me Dana that no one should become a comedian unless they have to be a comedian pretty much I I think show business in general is an emotionally violent sport you said that I I wrote
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I put that down, I thought that was interesting.
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Well, your feelings get hurt a lot, even if you re doing really well.
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All day.
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And you know, my touchstone, as corny as it sounds, is like, I m still making money doing this.
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And that s pretty cool.
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I never lost yeah well because of the threat of one of 900 people who can yeah um I just got an update there s 911 there s some Bangladeshis were funny and we had uh someone uh from Madagascar who made some people fall out people fall more
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Well, guys, thanks.
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Al, thank you, buddy.
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Al, you were great.
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Really, really, really interesting and fun.
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So thanks for coming on.
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And we ll be talking to you soon.
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Well, thank you, guys.
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All right.
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See you, bud.
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Senator Al Franken.
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Take care.
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Okay.
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Bye-bye.
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Hey, what s up, flies?
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What s up, fleas?
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What s up, people that listen?
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We want to hear from you and your dumb questions.
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Questions, ask us anything.
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Anything you want.
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Hey, we got a question here, Dana, to wrap it up.
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We get so many questions that we usually say the listener s name, but when so many ask the same type of question, we re just going to give the question.
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They ve written about Larry Sanders  show and Gary.
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Any stories about that?
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Well, you go ahead.
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Gary Shanley.
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Gary Shanley, we all knew Gary for a long time in the clubs, great standup.
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And then when he did the Larry Sanders show, he asked me to come on.
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They were making episodes, but the show was not released yet.
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So he asked me to come on and be myself, Dana Carvey, guest hosting for Larry Sanders.
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And we had a scene where he asked me to do an impression of him to him.
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Because I used to do this gear where we go,
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What are people doing?
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I don t know what the cat food on the carpet... Which was an exaggeration of one of his rhythms, and he s the one who wanted me to do it.
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Here s the interesting part of me guest hosting Larry Sanders.
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Herve Villachez, who was a little person, was a guest on the show, but it had never aired.
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even though he was told, he thought I was a real talk show host interviewing him.
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And he never knew that it was a fake talk show.
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So that was very funny.
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So I was on one of the very first Larry Sanders.
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David?
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Well, a tidbit, I went to the Comedy Museum, Heather, where was that?
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It was in Jamestown, New York.
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And they have the Larry Sanders set there.
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They have so much.
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This is actually, I ll give him a shout out.
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It s a great comedy museum.
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They have so many things.
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But they have the set, which threw me back because I did do,
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I did the third one, again, like you.
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I think he was getting people he knew a little bit.
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He s from Tucson.
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I m from Scottsdale.
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I knew him a little bit.
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And through Brillstein Gray, I knew him.
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I was going to be on his old Gary Shandling show and we didn t work it out.
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And this one he said, why don t you play yourself?
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It was sort of like you where you said, why don t you play a comedian?
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I had like a goofy comedian name.
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Then he goes, why don t you just...
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Just do it as yourself.
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Do you care?
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We might just do that.
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They don t wanna play themselves.
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Janine Garofalo interviewed me and I was a standup.
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It was a funny idea because I was a standup and I was doing a show like on a Friday.
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And on Monday I do Leno and I do the same set.
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And then he goes, you can t do the same set here.
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I go, well, it doesn t matter.
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They go, no, you have to do all new stuff.
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I go, no.
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And so it was a big mess.
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And then they bump me, Rip Torn goes.
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Rip Torn.
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He goes, let s bump that fucking spade.
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and teach him a lesson, show him how Hollywood works around here.
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And so they bump me, and then two seconds later, Janine Graffler runs in and goes, Joe Pesci s stuck in Chicago, there s a snowstorm.
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And Rip Torn looks at Gary, and then you cut to Gary going, making his third appearance, David Spade.
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And I come out and I open with my same joke, and Rip Torn just shrugs his shoulders.
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And that was the episode, it was fucking great.
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I thought it was so funny.
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I thought Gary was great.
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I mean, Dana knew him better in the real life, but.
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He blessed my house.
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I bought a house in Encino, my wife and I, and he wanted to come go through it for spirits and stuff.
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Oh, really?
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So we stood outside and waited and Gary was in there for like 20 minutes.
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He came out and he goes, it s clean.
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That s his side hustle?
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But I would say that Gary, as funny as they come in the show, he was a little bit conflicted for a while.
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He was up for taking over for Johnny, which Jay Leno did.
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And then he does this show and I ve had young people, young people email me and stuff.
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This Larry Sanders show is pretty brilliant.
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It was great.
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It broke everything.
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It broke the office.
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He really influenced so many people with that.
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whatever you call that style.
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I d never been on a show like that.
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They had three 16 millimeter cameras and you re doing a take.
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Every take is done.
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There s the single shots and the two shot.
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And he also in between you go, yeah, just say something like that.
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And I ll say something like this.
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And yeah, really give it to me this time.
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And then you would do it.
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So it was incredibly good for comedians.
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Cause who wants to repeat the same line over and over.
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Sort of like pre curb, you know, when I did curb they say, just get angry on this take.
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It wasn t even about lines.
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Just here s your attitude in this.
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And then they go, whisper to Larry, here s his edit.
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I don t know what his is gonna be.
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So I think Gary might start it all out.
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He started, he in the modern era, I mean, there were other people, he did, it s the Gary Channeling Show, he broke the fourth wall, but he kind of lit the match for this modern type comedy, so.
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Thank you people.
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God rest his soul, and thanks for the question.
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