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Bring a little optimism into your life with The Bright Side, a new kind of daily podcast from Hello Sunshine, hosted by me, Danielle Robay.
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And me, Simone Boyce.
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Every weekday, we re bringing you conversations about culture, the latest trends, inspiration, and so much more.
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I am so excited about this podcast, The Bright Side.
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You guys are giving people a chance to shine a light on their lives, shine a light on a little advice that they want to share.
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Listen to The Bright Side on America s number one podcast network, iHeart.
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Open your free iHeart app and search The Bright Side.
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Hey, everyone, this is Molly and Matt, and we re the hosts of Grown Up Stuff How to Adult, a podcast from Ruby Studio and iHeart Podcasts.
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It s a show dedicated to helping you figure out the trickiest parts of adulting.
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like how to start planning for retirement, creating a healthy skincare routine, understanding when and how much to tip someone, and so much more.
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Let s learn about all of it and then some.
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Listen to Grown Up Stuff How to Adult on America s number one podcast network, iHeart.
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Open your free iHeart app and search Grown Up Stuff.
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Guess what, Will?
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What s up, Mango?
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I ve been trying to write a promo for our podcast, Part-Time Genius, but even though we ve done over 250 episodes, we don t really talk about murders or cults.
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I mean, we did just cover the Illuminati of cheese, so I feel like that makes us pretty edgy.
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We also solve mysteries like how Chinese is your Chinese food and how do dollar stores make money?
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And then, of course, can you game a dog show?
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So what you re saying is everyone should be listening.
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Listen to Part-Time Genius on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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When you say confident, I definitely don t feel that word majority of the time.
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Actually, maybe ever, but I m constantly learning and constantly growing.
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Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health and wellness podcast in the world, thanks to each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow.
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And I m so excited to be talking to you today.
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I can t believe it.
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My new book, Eight Rules of Love, is out, and I cannot wait to share it with you.
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I am so, so excited for you to read this book, for you to listen to this book.
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I read the audiobook.
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If you haven t got it already, make sure you go to 8rulesoflove.com.
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It s dedicated to anyone who s trying to find, keep, or let go of love.
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So if you ve got friends that are dating, broken up, or struggling with love, make sure you grab this book.
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And I d love to invite you to come and see me for my global tour, Love Rules.
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Go to jscheddytour.com to learn more information about tickets, VIP experiences and more.
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I can t wait to see you this year.
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I m curious about people s stories.
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I m curious about how we find healing.
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I m curious about how creativity and self-expression can sometimes be the best medicine for what we re going through in life.
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And I want you to hear from people of different backgrounds and different walks of life so that you can find
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similarities, connection, your story and their story so that it can feel like an emotional connection that we often miss and we often feel so lonely and isolated but hopefully this podcast makes you feel heard and hopefully it makes you feel seen and hopefully it makes you feel understood.
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Today s guest is none other than Noah Cyrus who grabbed the reins in her own life during some of the most difficult moments
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took control of it and told her story like never before.
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The Grammy Award-nominated multi-platinum Nashville-born and LA-based singer and songwriter uncovered the kind of strength you only find within.
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Noah has stepped into herself on her 2022 full-length debut album The Hardest Part.
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Emerging at the age of 16, she immediately captivated audiences with platinum singles, Make Me Cry and Again.
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The End of Everything EP yielded the triple platinum, July and Gold Lonely.
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In between earning a Grammy Award in the category of Best New Artist, Noah has performed at Coachella twice and Billboard named her among its 21 Under 21 for three straight years.
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Please welcome to the show, Noah Saritz.
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Noah.
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Whoa, okay, hi.
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Thank you for being here.
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That was quite an intro, whoa, thank you.
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Well, I always say to people, it s so funny, every time I intro someone, that is always the reaction.
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I say the same thing, I m like, well, you did that, you lived that.
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You actually had to experience all of that and work for it and earn it and go through the ups and downs that come with doing all of that.
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We all do, right?
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Everybody.
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It s hard.
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Like, whoa, that was... Thanks for that intro.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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It s nice.
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Like we were just saying, nice to meet you in person.
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Yes.
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We got to meet over Zoom two years ago.
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We just talked about it briefly, but like...
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you re so nice like it s so nice to meet you and like this was not on camera but you ran out so quick as soon as I was here to give me a hug you re like so nice it s great to be in a room with you actually finally.
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Oh well the feeling s very mutual I was saying to you off camera as well that when my team and I were talking about having you on the show and we were so excited about that
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I had such a wonderful experience with you a couple of years ago when you interviewed me on your podcast, even though it was digitally.
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I just really felt like you were so great at talking about so many important, meaningful things to give me a voice, to give me a platform.
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I felt so humbled and grateful.
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And same with you, like meeting you today.
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I m like, this is so warm.
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Like you allowed me to just give you a big hug.
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And I was like, I don t know if I was going to wreck your makeup or your outfit.
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I was just like totally not conscious.
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I felt terrible.
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No, no, no, no, no, not even at all.
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I don t even care about that.
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No, I was so happy whenever I heard that your team had reached out for us to get in the room and talk.
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I know it took us a bit for us to schedule everything, but I m so happy to finally
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be here with you and also like the last time we spoke I feel like I was in a much darker different place and I m doing so much better now so it s great to really be here and be present with you and get to really experience you and how great you are.
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Well, first of all, I want to congratulate you on that transformation and transition.
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I think that to acknowledge you even just saying that and how much work you ve had to do to get there, to feel that way.
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And like I said to you, I had a positive experience with you even then.
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And so I m very grateful to experience you, as you said, in what you feel is the best version of yourself at the moment, which is so beautiful.
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I loved a video I saw on your TikTok, which is you and your dad, and it was so beautiful.
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I think you said something like, you know, I wish these days never end.
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Tell me about what was so special about that.
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I mean, just watching it, it was so joyful and it was so special.
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Honestly, that s a common feeling I get whenever I m with him or with my family.
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Honestly, with life in general.
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I just wish the days were longer.
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You ve caught me on like an emotional day.
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So if I cry during this podcast, guys, this is like a normal thing for me, kind of.
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But that s just a common feeling I get, especially when I m home in Nashville.
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Just was wishing I had more time.
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But that trip was great.
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I hadn t seen my dad.
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in a long time and lately I ve been able to since that TikTok actually which was posted last year I think or earlier that really early this year it had to have been but it s an older TikTok I ve been able to see him much more frequently but
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But when I had been writing for this album, actually, the album s out on September 16th, and I had written about that specific feeling, actually, like a couple years ago.
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And it s actually the title track of my record, Hardest Part.
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And I wrote about that with my dad, because I just, you know, growing up, he would be in Nashville, I would be in LA, or back and forth.
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there was a lot of missing him and I guess it s really no secret that my family had been going through hard times and within their marriage and things like that and so there was a lot
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That was unsaid between us and I wanted to write about it in my music and my music is really an outlet for me and my emotions.
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And I don t know, we had a really beautiful day a few years ago, which wasn t when I made that TikTok, but I wrote about it in my, in my record, just because I wish I could get more of those days and there s just not enough time.
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And yeah.
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Yeah, no, it was, it was beautiful to see.
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And yeah, now I think, I think you pinned it.
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That s why.
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Yeah, it s up very new.
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It s pinned at the top.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But the, yeah, the TikTok s old, but the song s about an even older story, but that, yeah, there is a, trends are cool like that with TikTok.
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I ll see something on TikTok and I m like, oh, that actually really means something.
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Like we should do that.
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And my friend Amari was like, you have to do this with your dad.
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I love that.
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No, it was so special.
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It was really joyful and special to watch and speaking about what you re talking about, you were saying you ve said that your goal is really the current goal is to like really heal your inner child.
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And I think that s such a beautiful goal to have, first of all.
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And I think a lot of our community, a lot of our listeners have that same goal as well.
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I think we re all going through this experience of realizing that we ve neglected our inner child.
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We haven t listened to that inner child.
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We haven t acknowledged it.
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How did you even discover that that was a goal you had?
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Like, how did you even come to that point of acknowledging that that was something you wanted to pursue?
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identifying my emotions and what was causing a lot of my problems and making that connection to childhood was first of all, the start.
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And with that, I probably wouldn t have even been able to make that connection had it not been for my therapist and really, really, really trying with therapy.
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Because even I feel like when we spoke, I had a relationship with my therapist that I would kind of,
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try to reschedule our sessions and I wouldn t keep up with it and I would fall behind.
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It s actually a lot of work to keep up with it because, you know, some days you re going to feel really good.
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And for me, it s hard for me on those good days to want to keep up or maybe I don t want to start feeling sad feelings or bring anything up.
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But it s actually really important to keep working.
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And so once I identified that, like, I had a lot of sadness involved with my inner child and I had a lot I needed to heal, but I really, really owe that to therapy.
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And I really highly suggest just an outlet of being able to get your emotions out somewhere, regardless of what that outlet is for you.
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Yeah, I think that s beautifully said.
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What were some of those emotions that you felt as a child or that you experienced that became so important for you to heal?
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What were some of those experiences that stayed with you?
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One major one was self-love and body image love and body dysmorphia.
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I developed that at such a young age and it s been really hard for me to reframe my mind to be able to even look at my younger self and love that version of me.
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And now that I ve begun to get there, I m now there.
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And, you know, for me, that was so heartbreaking that I couldn t, I felt like I couldn t even really love a child, myself as a child.
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I felt like I wasn t even loving that version of myself.
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And I could never imagine not loving a child.
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You know what I mean?
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And so that was where I knew I needed to start.
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And now, of course, I want to protect that version of myself so much because I just see this
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Fragile child who is like every child in the world that just needs love and and to be cared for and of course I was I have an amazing family, but there s just some things that Especially I mean in my in my personal experience with body image that just some things people just can t see that people just can t feel because it s your body your mind your eyes and
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and it s hard and it feels like you re alone in those times and in your brain it s just you in there with that inner voice and it gets really dark and it gets really lonely, especially, I mean, certainly in my experience.
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Yeah, and how does it feel when everyone around you is saying, oh, but you re beautiful or you re this or you re that?
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Walk us through a bit of that because I think a lot of people have that challenge where everyone s telling you you re great, but then there s still this voice inside of you that feels that way.
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What were some of those
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What s been some of the work behind the scenes that you ve been doing in therapy and for yourself to kind of get to that place of self-acceptance and self-love as you said earlier?
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that s very much still a work in progress for me.
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And something my therapist and I talk about is how progress is kind of in, you re going up, but it s circular motions.
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And in a circle, you still go down and then you go up and you go down.
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And so I m going through that very much with self-love and with my body image.
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My personal experience was online and in other places,
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I was bullied over the way I looked so terribly.
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The words that were used are still so scarring to me where I m almost embarrassed to bring it up or talk about it.
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It was very traumatizing for me.
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So it was very hard for me to believe what people in my life was saying.
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So it gave me actually a lot of trust issues that weren t there with people in my life because I felt as if everybody was lying to me, which is still actually something I work on now still is my trust with people and, and,
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going with things and just being okay with this is me.
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This is my body.
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This is who I am.
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This is what God gave me.
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This is just who I am.
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There s nothing I can do to change it.
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And while I m here, I ve got to accept it.
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And I m really working hard to do so.
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You know, it gives me comfort, if it gives anybody else comfort, that it gives me comfort, that you tell me other people feel that way when other people are saying, you are this, you are beautiful, you are that.
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Because when you feel the opposite in your body, in your mind, in your soul,
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you re not you re never gonna hear it from anybody else and it s the same with you know loving yourself and and you know you have to truly love yourself and and and it s and it s hard to get there if you don t.
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It s so encouraging though to hear that you went through this experience earlier on
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yet you ve still found a way of expressing how you feel in the public eye and still being open to people s opinions and their reaction to you and that takes incredible confidence and self-assurance because a lot of people would just say or I m done with this I m just going to go and hide
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I feel that way every day.
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Every day.
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So again, it s like kind of a battle with myself, but I feel that way all the time.
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When you say confident, I definitely don t feel that word majority of the time.
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Actually, maybe ever, but I m constantly learning and constantly growing.
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Yes and those are the two best things like that to me that s what I where I use that word it was like people don t usually feel confident or they re not confident but the way they act actually displays confidence and I think that s what s so interesting about confidence is that no one who ever is confident feels it
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it s just that people from the outside go wow that takes a lot of gut so like that still takes a lot of resilience and and that s what i m noticing that you know to still be in the public eye but walk us through you know we re talking about the hardest part which is you know incredible to see you putting your challenges stress pain into music when did
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When did music start to become that healing for you?
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And what was beautiful about the process behind this album?
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Like, what did you experience in the making of this album?
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Music s always been extremely healing, but especially with this album, the process of finishing it up on the production side with Mike Crossy, he executive produced the entire album.
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We spent
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A couple months together, just him and I and Steven, his engineer, and a couple of days towards the end, we d have musicians in, but just locked in, focused on the music.
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It was the first time ever in my life or in my career, I should say, that I felt really in touch with my own musicianship and myself as like an actual artist, not just a singer and a writer.
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It came at a time where I was about six months into my recovery process.
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I really needed some structure, something to focus on, something to put my energy towards, an outlet for my emotions.
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Even if I wasn t writing, I had written a few songs that actually just had to go onto the album.
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Like, My Side of the Bed is one of my favorites on the whole album, or I Burned LA Down, which was the first single.
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off of the record.
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Occasionally I would get to lyrically make that, get that outlet for my emotions, but musically, I really found a way to do so.
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And it really shows in the record and it was, that s what made it such a healing process was I feel like I really found myself sonically, lyrically, and emotionally and spiritually on this record.
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That s incredible.
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I love what you pointed out there and it came out, it flowed naturally from you, but for everyone who s listening, I just want to capture this.
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You said that during your recovery process, six months in, you found structure, focus, and an outlet.
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And I think all of those things are such beautiful takeaways.
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Everyone who s listening may not be a musician or a writer or a singer, but the idea that we all need when we re going through our own recovery structure, a focus and an outlet.
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And those are such practical ways that we can shift where we are.
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Walk us through some of that.
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What was your structure like?
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What was your focus?
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Were you thinking about something when you woke up
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in the morning when you were writing the song, like what was your daily routine like and what were your habits like at that time?
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So at the time of recording the album we had, which I loved the whiteboard, we had a whiteboard in the studio.
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Love whiteboards.
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But it had our week out and every single week on Fridays we d sit and plan out what we were going to do for the next week.
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So for example, one week would be vocals week and we do each song like in a day.
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And then we d also have like, OK, this next week we re going to be recording bass, guitar, strings, whatever.
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I go in after I d have therapy in the morning, wake up, walk my dogs, do therapy, go to the studio, record whatever.
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instruments we were doing that day, whatever vocals, and really get to experiment with this new elevated sound that I was making.
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And so really, we just had like this strict schedule that like every day I was in at a certain time.
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And by the end of the day, we both had Mike has two kids.
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So bedtime s eight o clock.
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He needs to leave at six.
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We just had our daily routine, which I think saved me so much because
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Without a daily routine I m very the type that can easily just slip into my room and not turn the lights on or get out of bed for like weeks and I ve actually been having a bit of a back-and-forth battle with kind of doing that now and just Self-isolation because I m so used to doing so so really just having even if it was just you know a
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a studio routine where it was this day we re recording this and this day we re tracking this or this day we re zooming this person or they re coming in here it really like saved me and falling in love with music again saved me because i think it s also easy
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to alienate yourself or get alienated by things you love whenever, whenever you re doing it such a long time or, you know, things get tough and, you know, things don t go your way and then they do go your way so suddenly.
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So I guess the point is just keep going and never give up and, you know, but it gets hard.
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When you find that bright spot to help you get through your day, it s powerful.
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That s where The Bright Side comes in.
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A new daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that s bringing you a daily dose of joy.
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I m Danielle Robay.
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And I m Simone Boyce.
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Listen, both Danielle and I are reporters.
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We ve covered the news and we know the world can feel heavy, but The Bright Side podcast is a space to have a little fun, to learn something new and get into some friendly debates.
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That s right.
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Join us five days a week to see how life can look from the bright side.
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We ll hear from celebrities, authors, experts and listeners like you.
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Whether it s relationships, friend advice or figuring out how to navigate life s transitions.
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We ll talk through it all together.
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Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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A new season of Bridgerton is here.
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And with it, a new season of Bridgerton, the official podcast.
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I m your host, Gabrielle Collins.
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And this season, we are bringing fans even deeper into the ton.
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Colin Bridgerton has returned from his travels abroad.
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Is Betrothal written in the stars for the eligible bachelor?
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Meanwhile, the ton is reverberating with speculation of who holds Lady Whistledown s pen.
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We re discussing it all.
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I sit down with Nicola Coughlin, Luke Newton, Shonda Rhimes, and more to offer an exclusive peek behind the scenes of each episode of the new season.
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Watch season three of the Shondaland series on Netflix.
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Subscribe to catch a new episode every Thursday.
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Guess what, Mango?
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What s that, Will?
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So iHeart is giving us a whole minute to promote our podcast, Part-Time Genius.
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I know, that s why I spent my whole week composing a haiku for the occasion.
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It s about my emotional journey in podcasting over the last seven years, and it s called Earthquake House.
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Mango, I m going to cut you off right there.
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Yeah, I love that point you made.
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It s so interesting how we can fall out of love with something that we re so deeply in love with.
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I can so relate to that in so many ways.
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Let s talk about that a bit because I think that s just a fascinating idea.
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I think we think that when you re in love with a thing, an idea, a person, a place, a home, we expect that once you re in love, you just stay in love.
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And like you were saying earlier with the therapist, it s more like the other way, like you fall in, you fall out, it changes, it grows, it moves, you fall in, you fall out, it changes, it grows.
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How have you learned to fall in love with music again?
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Structure was a part of that.
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Was there something else that helped you fall back in love with something that you d fallen out of love with?
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Actually, a better question is what made you fall out of love with music and then what helped you fall back in love?
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I m not sure if I ever completely fell out of love.
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I think after doing this since I was 16 years old, there s been a lot of times where I felt really encouraged to keep going, but there s also a little discouragement at times.
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It s hard whenever there s a lot of people in your ears and people wanting you to be a certain way and do a certain thing.
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So I think for a long time, I didn t trust my own vision because I felt as if other people didn t either.
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And so I almost just kind of wanted to give up and didn t really have a vision at all.
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But being able to go and experiment and
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find who I am sonically and what that sounds like to me.
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And, you know, there s so much of me on that track.
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I m playing piano on that track.
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I m playing sub, I m playing percussion.
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I m playing, they re just, even if they were just little bits of sounds, like it was me and I was inside of it, all the instruments are live.
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I got to, you know, I, for so long, piano was my favorite instrument for so long, but now it s pedal steel.
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And, you know, and I just I ve fallen in love with instruments again.
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And that ignited so much excitement for me and it ignited so much excitement with the album campaign and performing and everything that comes with music and being able to experience what it s like once it s out of the studio.
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And so that really ignited a lot of excitement in me again.
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And then again, the writing process was also amazing.
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A lot of it was painful at the time.
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A lot of it was maybe in bits and pieces and different timelines of
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where I was personally, but I think that s also what makes it special.
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The album definitely is very dynamic with the sounds and the instruments, sonically.
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There s a lot of emotions, a lot of conversations.
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But to your point really quick about the falling in and out of love, weirdly enough,
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Friday or tonight, actually, at 9pm, I have a song coming out with Ben Gibbard of Death Cab for Cutie.
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And it s one of my favorite bands of all time.
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He s one of my favorite artists ever.
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And our song is about that feeling of
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It s not you, genuinely.
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It s not me, genuinely.
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We re just falling out of love.
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We re not the same anymore.
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We ve grown.
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We re drifting apart.
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And I think that really does happen with people.
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I know both people from personal experience and from witnessing others have to be fully invested in one another and both have to want to light that fire again.
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And if just one of you don t, then it really it s nearly, I think, impossible to get that back.
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Yeah and I couldn t agree that s so that s so beautifully said I couldn t agree with you more that I think that s what often is the truth that we don t want to accept is that someone doesn t want to try again.
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No.
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We don t even want to accept that because it s so painful to accept when we re like we want to try again but that person doesn t want to try again and and that s the hardest part like that that s
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really tough because you re like but i m still in this but then what i find interesting about what you just said there yeah it s also that person realizing well i m still in this because i still think that person s the same as who they were but now using your words you re like we ve just outgrown each other like
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Do you think people change?
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Like, do people change?
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I put out this EP, right, and I titled it People Don t Change, because a lot of, in my personal experience, I set out to want to change, and I think I m in the process of changing my life.
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I don t know if I can exactly change who I am at the core.
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What do you think about that?
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That s such a great question.
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Because I go back and forth.
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And if somebody asked me, I wouldn t know, but I want to know your take on it.
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Yeah, I would say I do believe that transformation and change is possible, but it s not very probable.
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The probability is low, but the possibility is high.
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And what I mean by that is everyone has the opportunity to change, but the path is long, hard, and often requires
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big amounts of tragedy, stress and turmoil to even get someone to have that opportunity to take that path.
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And so I don t think I would ever write off.
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I genuinely believe in real transformation and change and I believe in the possibility of it.
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I think the probability and the expectation and the speed we want it to happen at is unlikely.
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I also believe that people don t change for people.
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and I think that s often when we say people will change it s often us the real full sentence is people will change for me right and I think that s really what we re saying and that I don t agree with I don t think someone changes for someone else I think people change for themselves when they realize that if I don t change then that s not good for me
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But the probability of that happening is low until something massively painful or drastic happens in their life.
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And I agree with you on the core thing.
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I went through a huge change externally in terms of I became a monk.
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I left my time as a monk that I lived for three years in India and then I
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live the life I do today and but I m still the same person I always was at the core like what you just said like at the core I m the same person I was raised by my mom she told me to be polite I like people I m kind and these are things I learned from my mom when I was a kid
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and I m still all those things and I ve grown but I m still the same person at the core and so I think that people can I ve seen amazing changes in people I ve seen people who ve gone from doing the worst things to doing the best things I ve seen people go from but
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the probability is not as high and it won t happen for a person.
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So I don t know if that helps to answer your question.
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No, no it does.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, because I mean it s kind of exactly how I feel about it too.
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Oh good.
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Yeah, no I mean I agree like and you know from experience of seeing that I mean even in positive ways you don t have to look at it as a negative way.
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not losing yourself and who you are at the core.
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Like, I mean, I feel like I lost that for a long time and in a positive way, I got it back.
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And again, that was a lot to do with who I am and who I was as a younger
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child because I also felt that change and shift in myself at such a young age.
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I mean, I still look at 17 and 18 years old as a child to me and very, very young and lived on my own at 17 and thought I had the whole thing figured out.
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And, you know, very quickly after everything shifted very drastically and, you know, until I was,
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Maybe just a year ago, I started feeling like who I was when I put my very first single out.
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Maybe, maybe even way, way, way before.
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I don t really remember when I truly lost or started disconnecting from who I really am or started disliking or not loving who I really was.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And actually, I think you ve just answered it.
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I think ultimately when we re both talking about change, we re talking about growth.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And it s like what you ve been saying this whole interview so far.
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It s like you re like, it s an everyday thing.
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It s a work in progress.
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I m still working on it.
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That s what growth is.
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And I think when we look at growth in ourselves, we realize it s a daily process.
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But when we look at change in someone else, we want it to be drastic and tomorrow.
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Absolutely.
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Right, it s different expectations we have of change, if that makes sense.
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No, that was a really good way to put it.
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Yeah, like, you know, it s like, I know if I need to change, it s going to take a few years, but I m hoping this person changes tomorrow.
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Tomorrow, yeah.
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And that s where I think our expectations and change kind of get too mixed up.
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So change is possible.
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Our expectation is a slightly messier thing.
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What s a big change you think you ve made in your life that is
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had a big change externally like internally what is a change that you ve made even a simple thing that you feel has
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I mean, the most major change for me was stop taking Xanax.
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That completely was ruining my life.
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It was the scariest, most alone I had ever felt, except it made me feel as if I had comfort whenever I was on
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the substances I was taking at which time, that was the poison that I really had to get out of my life and make that change.
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Had I not done that,
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I touch on it on the album, but I m not 100% sure I would have been able to be sitting here having this conversation with you because I didn t really want to be alive anymore.
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You know, when I did have this moment,
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of clarity, even if it was for a second, I did not want to forget that I had one thought that, like, maybe I could turn this around.
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I called who I needed to call and I made that change.
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So absolutely without a doubt.
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I mean, that s just the first thing that comes to mind, because had I not done that, like I come, I it saved my life getting off of off of Xanax.
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So.
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That s amazing.
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Thank you so much for being so open and vulnerable with us.
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I can tell that obviously it s not an easy thing to talk about, especially when it s been a part of your life in that way.
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So thank you so much.
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Yeah.
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And even more so just that s incredible.
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Like that s amazing.
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And you know, I think there s so many people listening and watching who I m sure their family members, they ve been in that position.
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You know, I think
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It s incredible, isn t it, how lonely you can be made to feel when actually it s a hugely collective experience.
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And I think that s gonna help a lot of people you re sharing that and making that change in your life.
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Thank you.
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And being with you today, I m like, that s amazing.
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It s truly incredible.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, I think we need to acknowledge and celebrate that more because, again, it takes so much strength to do that.
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Thank you.
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I just hope, honestly, I think my goal with all of this and being open about it is I do know that I m not trying to be an example for anybody.
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I m just trying to share my experience because I also had a lot of people.
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I mean, we did a podcast years ago.
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I had a music career since I was 16 years old.
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I had a lot of people looking in since I was
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a baby, just due to the family I was born in.
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And with Instagram and social media and things like that, interviews, I felt that a part of me was seen that, you know, I allowed out there, but I really wanted an explanation for, I think, a lot of like the things I had posted on my Instagram.
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And I felt like there were a lot of things like, you know, friends reaching out worried about me after I would post an Instagram story.
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And, you know, just the look in my eyes was
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scary to a lot of people and There s a few interviews and particularly when I just hear the way I was talking where I feel So ashamed and so guilty and I think that s another thing is Like the shame and the guilt and the regret is inevitable when going through this So for anyone listening to know that that s normal And that s something I experience every single day, even though I know I probably shouldn t it s
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it s just something you experience and it s it s something i m going through and go through and sometimes it s better and sometimes it s worse but i it s just all part of the process yes yeah again i think that also goes back to just learning to love yourself and and look out for yourself and nurture yourself whenever you re being so hard on yourself or come on
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completely changing your life, but I go hard on myself about before and what it was like two years ago or three years ago, and that s just something I m processing and dealing with as of now.
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Yeah, and I think that that s, I love what you said, that it s not about being an example, it s just encouraging to hear that that is what you go through.
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I think it s so interesting that every day we feel hot and we feel cold and we feel maybe
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sweaty we feel really cold we feel like we re freezing like we go through so many different body changes every day and we would never judge ourselves for that we wouldn t be like oh i m the worst i should have worn a longer sleeve t-shirt like you just go and put a sweater on or whatever and and i think it s the same with our emotions like we re experiencing so many emotions throughout the day but we don t give ourselves the permission to say i m allowed to feel cold and then get a sweater to feel warm like we don t do that with our emotions if that makes sense and saying
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hey i do feel a bit of shame but then maybe i need to feel a bit of this to help you know even it out and so i love that that s the process you re on and i agree with you it s a daily thing i don t think there s anyone who never just like there s no one in the world who never feels hot or cold there s no one who doesn t feel sad or down or happy or unhappy like we re all feeling all of them at different spectrums and different extremes
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So learning our own patterns and learning our own thoughts is pretty much what we all need to focus on.
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I wanted to pick something that, this was a lyric from I Burned LA Down, and you said, and obviously it s about feeling like you have to burn LA down to get someone you re dating s attention, but this is the lyric that I thought was really beautiful.
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I can t sing, so please do not expect anything.
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I m just going to read it out.
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Okay.
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I waste my breath on a prayer.
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You don t care.
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I was never part of the plan.
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You can t make a God of somebody who s not even half of half a decent man.
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Like that lyric is just
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It s a pretty cold lyric.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But it s also just like a very raw emotion.
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And I thought it was, it s, it s cold, but it s poetically put together.
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So it s, it s, uh, it s powerful.
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And I think a lot of people could relate to that.
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I think that I wanted to pick a few moments.
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If you don t mind, if that lyric that you can t make a God of somebody, I find that such an interesting concept, I think.
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So many of us are looking for God in the people we idolize, the people we follow, the sports teams, the musicians, the actors, even parents and people in our lives.
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We re all looking for that God figure in so many ways and you rightly say in that lyric, you can t make a God of somebody.
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Where did that come from?
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I wanted to hear that idea because I thought that was a really powerful concept.
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My poetic way of always just completely falling into people and how much I completely rely and give myself to people, I think obviously I ve been very open that it s been hard to rely on myself in the past.
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I always looked in that in other people.
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At the time, especially of COVID and everybody s isolation, it was just me and that one other person.
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And so my entire life revolved around that one other person every single day, whether they were happy, they were sad, if they were comfortable, uncomfortable, if they were mad or not mad, if they loved me or didn t love me,
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my entire life revolved around somebody else.
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I ve definitely done that in the past.
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And like you said, again, people are like that, can be with many different things.
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It s finding the right things to do that with.
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And with me, it was my album and worshiping
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music and actually finding myself and who I am and loving myself.
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But that was where that lyric came from is just.
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It felt like worship the way that I admired this person.
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And then you had to redirect that worship towards your music and your craft and your creativity.
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Would you say that s correct?
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Absolutely.
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And I think also, I ve been thinking a lot about my spirituality lately, and I think that s a huge different conversation for a whole other time.
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You know, I just hope I falling in love with other things and the world s so interesting and the universe is so interesting and energy is such a powerful thing.
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And I just I want to learn more about it and and God and what that is to me and other people and who and just it s all so interesting.
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And I just want to know
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I want to learn more.
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I want to grow more again.
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Like I said, this all goes back to growing instead of using the word change.
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Going to the word growing, I think.
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When the Taliban banned music in Afghanistan, millions were plunged into silence.
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Radios were smashed.
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Cassettes burned.
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You could be beaten or jailed or killed for breaking the rules.
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And yet, Afghans did it anyway.
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This is the story of how a group of people brought music back to Afghanistan by creating their own version of American Idol.
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The danger they endured.
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They said my head should be cut off.
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The joy they brought to the nation.
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You re free completely.
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No one is there to destroy you.
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I m John Legend.
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Listen to Afghan Star on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I can relate to a lot of that in the sense of like, I feel I was always in love with love growing up.
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Yeah, me too, I fantasize that majorly.
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Same, and all of it was based on romantic songs and movies and none of it was based on reality, it was all based on pop culture and media and you know, and I, for a long time I really pursued that type of love.
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and that was that love that was based on idolizing someone else, worshiping someone else, wanting also to be idolized back and and recognizing that there was a part of me that was really seeking that importance through that other individual in the guise of loving them and i think when i came to the conclusion that
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Similarly to what you re saying, you can t make a god of somebody, you can t make a god of yourself either.
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That was a really beautiful reflection, but it s a painful one because we get so trained and wired to believe certain things.
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What s a belief that you think you have now about yourself that is healthy and putting you in the right direction and helping you grow?
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You talked about some of the beliefs in the past that have helped you back.
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What s a belief now that you have about yourself that is helping you move forward and in this positive direction?
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That I can just, I can do what I set my mind to do, whether that s with recovery or
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other things i used to just say i can t and or i won t or but i actually have shown to myself so many times what i can do and i think that s something that like i repeat to myself every day i also have you will be tatted on my on my wrist which i kind of think is kind of the same thing just that
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will be what I set my mind to or what I set my goals to or Who I want to become or who I want to work on being and I hope that s kind of enough
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It s a great answer.
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I had so much doubt in myself and that s something that has held me back for so long.
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So I think knowing that and believing that, and believing that truly and to my core is...
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new for me and something I can truly honestly say I feel about myself.
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I also have a hard time, you know, even when you say that, like, I mean, back to the confidence thing.
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I sound like I really believe in myself, but at the same time, I have battles where I actually have a hard time doing so or saying kind things about myself or, you know, so it s kind of a hard battle.
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So that was kind of the first thing that came to mind.
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I thought it was a beautiful answer because I m like, isn t that just such a great thought to repeat that if I want to change something I can, like I can with this journey I m going through therapy, this journey I m going through recovery, like that s such an empowering thought and I think it s so amazing how we quickly believe negative thoughts about ourselves but we doubt the positive thoughts and it s like every day if I told myself, which I have at times, like I m not good enough, I m not good enough, I m not good enough,
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I don t ever question that thought I m so cool with accepting that that s just the truth and I don t think about whether I say it every day or not I just keep saying it whereas when I say I can then we re like oh wait wait wait did I say that too early maybe I don t maybe I don t believe it and and so I actually love that that was your answer because I think that is the beginning of all change and growth is saying I can do anything I put my mind to
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and I have control over what I put my mind to and so I actually think it s a really great answer and I m hoping that everyone who s listening to that can start making that shift in their life.
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I had a mentor who d always repeat Napoleon Hill to me and so he d always say to me, you become what you think about and he d get me to repeat it, he d be like keep saying that, you become what you think about, you become what you think about
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And then he d catch me off guard randomly when he d see me and he d look at me and be like, Jay, what are you thinking about?
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I d be like, nothing.
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And he goes, well, you become what you think about.
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So what, you re going to become nothing?
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And he d just play with that.
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And then I was like, oh, interesting.
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What am I thinking about?
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What do I obsess over?
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what do I keep repeating in my mind and it was just something as simple as that that started me to be like okay well I m thinking about my purpose I m thinking about my service I m thinking about how to have an impact in the world I m thinking and then I just started to see my life change and it is that simple in the beginning and so I actually think that was a beautiful answer.
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Thank you for sharing that.
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Noah, I could honestly, and I hope I do get to have that conversation with you another time.
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As you said, there s a whole separate conversation around spirituality and discovery, but we end every episode with a new segment that we started recently, which I love, called The Many Sides to Us.
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And this is where you re using words or phrases to talk about yourself through different perspectives.
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So I m gonna ask you the questions and you can answer them.
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So the first one is, what s a word or phrase that someone would say about you meeting you for the first time, now, today?
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I don t know.
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I think this is hard.
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Can I give you one?
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Yes, you give me one because I can t.
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So I met you today for the first time in person and the word that came to my mind was sincere.
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Okay.
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Really sincere.
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Okay.
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You are so sincere and genuine in your initial words to me and what we were talking about when you first came in and there was just so much sincerity and genuineness there.
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Okay.
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That s how I think you come across as.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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I did that for you.
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Thank you.
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That s good.
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I m hopefully not going to have a hard time with this.
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The rest will be easy.
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What is a word that you use that someone would describe you that knows you well?
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Or a word or a phrase that someone who knows you really deeply would use to describe you?
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Sensitive.
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Yeah.
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Sensitive.
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In good and bad ways.
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I think sensitive can be taken as like a bad thing, but it s actually, I m a very sensitive person.
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And I think the person I m thinking of would be my mom.
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If you were to, I think that was my mom telling me that.
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I m very sensitive.
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I love though that what you ve been doing today, you ve done it twice now, it s like you re always looking at how each quality and value can actually be negative but also positive.
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Like, you know, it can be healthy too.
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Yeah.
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And I think often, like you said, like our initial, oh sensitive, yeah, people are so sensitive and it s like, oh no, no, no, being sensitive can actually be one of the healthiest things.
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Yeah.
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So I love that.
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It gives you a lot of compassion towards other people as well.
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Not like how you said, like, oh, you re so sensitive.
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You know, actually I ll take it the wrong way sometimes.
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So will I. What do you mean?
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So I think maybe if my mom had said that on a different day, I probably would have taken it the wrong way.
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All right.
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Question number three.
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What s a word or phrase you d use to describe yourself?
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sensitive I m very loving towards other people and other things and like so towards myself, but I mean so I ve whenever people We actually I have we talked about this in therapy I have a hard time talking about my it s very evident talking about myself personally But whenever I do talk about things about myself, I think it s the way that I give to other people So I m extremely loving and giving person
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Thank you for having the courage to compliment yourself.
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I love it.
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No, it s, yeah, that s great.
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I love that.
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That s a great answer.
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All right, last two questions.
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What s a word or phrase you d use to describe the hardest part of the album?
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Honest is such a vague answer, but I mean, it s just extremely honest and open and it touches on so many parts of my life.
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Like I said, in so many different situations.
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I also use the word personal a lot too, just because literally the first song on my album is called Noah.
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And so I think in a way I was nervous at first, like how are these, how are people going to hear this and make it relate to themselves?
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But I think honestly, by being so honest is where people will be like, oh, I actually do feel that too.
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Because if you re not, then other people aren t going to be able to relate to this.
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I think every feeling sometimes,
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sometimes my thoughts feel like I m the only person that s ever had this thought in the world.
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And then I like go on Instagram or TikTok and I see people talking about their feelings and they re like, I feel that feelings, you know, so probably that, I would say.
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Very a vague word.
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Not a vague, it may be a common word, but the description that you just gave of like, yeah, that feeling of connectivity, I think is really powerful.
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Like I think,
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I think that s why it is important to talk about how we feel and what we re going through so we realize we re not the only ones, you know.
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I mean, I think a lot of people suffer in silence and suffer in a place because they do feel isolated and alone because they don t check with someone because they didn t feel comfortable to.
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You know, I have a very minor, totally minor surgery tomorrow and it s like, very minor, totally not complex or deep or any way.
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But the reason I m bringing it up is even something so minor, when I told my friends about it, I found out 25% of my male friends had all had that surgery.
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And I was like, it s a hernia.
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And I was like, why didn t you ever tell me?
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And that s a really basic example, but it s the same thought process of how
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When I first heard I had a hernia, I was like, I m too young to have that, why do I have one?
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And then when I started talking to my friends, so many of my friends under 30 had one, and I was like, oh, why didn t I know about this, right?
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So it s something as simple as that.
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So I think the honesty, it connected.
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And fifth and final question, what s a word or phrase that you re trying to embody?
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Again, extremely cliche because it s a title on my album, but I also have it tattooed on my body is stand still.
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It s a phrase my dad said since I was really young and I felt like I forgot to use it for quite a long time.
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But when you don t know what to do, just stand still.
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It s okay to take your time and take a moment and reevaluate everything.
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That has saved me so many times in my life and a lot recently.
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And so to practice for me, it s really hard for me to stay still and stand still and be still.
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And so to practice that more, I really live by those words.
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And I really look up to my dad and admire him and his strength so much.
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That s such a powerful, powerful answer.
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I love that advice.
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Thank you.
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Everyone who s been listening and watching, I want you to go stream The Hardest Part right now.
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It s available as we re speaking.
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Go and listen to it.
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Go and share it.
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Go and feel with it.
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Go and experience the honesty that Noah s putting out there.
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I hope it s extremely healing and connecting for you and
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Also, please feel free to share.
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I think there were so many incredible things that Noah shared today.
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Please tag us both on Instagram, on Twitter, on TikTok.
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If you re sharing a reflection from this podcast, please tag us both because I love seeing how you put into practice what our guests share and I m sure Noah would love to see that too.
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So, please, please, please do that.
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Noah, I hope this is the first of many times I get to sit down with you in this way.
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I do too.
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I really do too.
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But you were, I just, I want you to know that everything you should
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today is going to stay with me for a long time.
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Thank you.
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And uh there are so many parts that I know I m going to re-listen to and re-watch and I m just so grateful.
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I m so glad we got to talk because I even was having anxiety and had been I mean with my grandmother just passing had been having so many different conflicting feelings and like even today Nick was like oh well maybe this is just talking with Jay and you know talking about your feelings and stuff is really going to help you and I was so
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This has been amazing.
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I m so grateful we got to be in a room together and finally meet.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Thank you.
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I hope you feel you got to share everything you wanted to share.
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No, I feel great.
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Thank you.
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Good.
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That makes me happy.
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Amazing.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Thanks, Noah.
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