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My name is Lee Hawkins.
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I ve been a journalist for over 25 years.
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On my new podcast, What Happened in Alabama, I get answers to some of the hardest questions about how things came to be for many black Americans and the truth that must come before any reconciliation can happen.
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I investigate my family history, my upbringing in Minnesota, and my father s painful nightmares about growing up in Alabama.
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What Happened in Alabama is a new series confronting the cycles of trauma for myself, my family, and for many Black Americans.
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Listen now.
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Listeners, what you re about to hear is an edited version of a live show we taped back in April with podcast sensation Marc Maron.
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If you want to see the full video version, you still can.
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Go to DontAskTig.org slash live, donate $15, and get special access to the recording.
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Also, I may be coming to a city near you.
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I ll be in Bellingham, Washington, September 8th, Olympia, Washington, September 9th, Torrington, Connecticut, September 15th, Rochester, New York, September 16th, Wilmington, Delaware, September 17th, Colorado Springs, September 25th, Breckenridge, Colorado, September 28th,
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Boulder, Colorado, September 29th, and November 4th in Brooklyn at King s Theater for my next stand-up special taping.
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Get your tickets now.
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There s an early and late show.
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And then I m off on my European tour in October.
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Check my website for all European and U.S.
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dates at tignotaro.com.
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And lastly, please note that this episode was recorded before the Screen Actors Guild strike.
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Now on with the show.
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It s not our problem.
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Well, we ve made it our problem.
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Why did we make this our problem?
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I don t know.
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It s your show.
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This is Don t Ask Tig, I m Tig Notaro, ready to give some truly WTF advice on today s very special live streaming edition of the podcast.
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My guest today is a comedian, actor,
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writer, musician, and podcast phenomenon.
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His podcast, WTF, launched in 2009 and played a key role in popularizing podcasting.
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He starred in the Netflix series, Glow, as well as Marin on IFC.
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He has five stand-up comedy specials, including most recently, From Bleak to Dark on HBO.
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Mark Marin, welcome to Don t Ask Tig.
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Thank you.
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That was a very nice intro.
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Thank you, Tig.
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Nice to see you.
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Well, it s a nice intro because you did a bunch of nice, great things that caused that intro to be written that way.
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Well, thank God, you know, after 40 years of doing this.
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Has it been 40 years?
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I think I m getting close to 40.
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I think I started working as a comic professionally in 1988.
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I think the first time I did comedy was 86.
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You ve been doing it for almost 40 years, and you just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
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I guess.
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I didn t choose it that way.
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I think that, you know, when we re younger, we want it to go differently.
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I mean, it s sort of working out so right when I hit my peak, I ll be ready to stop.
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I think that s what I m looking forward to, is that moment where it s like, hey, you made it.
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And I m like, great, I think I m done.
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Well, what do you think your peak is?
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I think I m in it.
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The last two specials I think are about the best I can do.
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Most of these specials I do come from a personal place.
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And I believe that my life is progressively getting smaller, not larger.
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So I just I don t know what I m going to talk about.
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There s some part of me that feels satisfied with the output at this point, yet I go out every night and do more.
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I m doing new jokes.
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I just don t know.
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It s just what I do.
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It s habit.
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Well, when you say that you don t know if you ll have anything to talk about, because I have these moments where I think, okay, I got to go get on the public bus.
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I got to go across town and go to a place I ve never been, just force myself to have these
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experiences that I don t normally have.
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And do you ever have those moments where you think, okay, I got to go mix it up so I can have something?
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Sometimes I go to three supermarkets in one day.
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There s some things I buy at Whole Foods.
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There s some things I need at Vaughn sometimes.
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I like going to Ralph s, but I definitely get the same sort of thing that you have.
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Like what is going to
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happen that s going to give me a story.
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And then, but you re the same as me where it can be a little event.
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It doesn t have to be a field trip.
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I mean, usually it comes from an encounter or some awkward thing and you stretch it into, you know, we can do 15 minutes on it if it s solid.
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Absolutely.
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And I have to say, I ve already mentioned this on this podcast, but I just have to tell you because I think you might be amused by this.
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I went to my stepfather s funeral and my brother fell into his grave.
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Yeah.
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On purpose?
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No.
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They had green astroturf over the grave, and they were supposed to put plywood.
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And when my brother got up to speak, he fell into our stepfather s grave.
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Did he get laughs?
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Our whole family was like, Oh God!
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Everybody was just yelling, Oh, Jesus Christ!
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Oh my God!
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And then he was crawling out of the grave and he s dusting dirt off of his suit.
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And then everybody had a laugh.
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But, you know, I didn t even have to go to three grocery stores.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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It would have been more exciting if your stepfather came out of the grave.
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The one thing that s so painful is that my stepfather wasn t there to see that happen.
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It was like the ultimate punchline that my brother fell into his grave.
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Depending on where you re at spiritually, he could have been there to see it happen.
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He was very close by.
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My mother was right there, too.
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I mean, right in the plot, right next door.
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So I guess, yeah, if you believe that, then they were there for it.
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My dad has started the dementia process.
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And, you know, as disturbing as that is, it is a fairly common experience for most people to be dealing with an elder relative or parent with this disease.
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And it does have its comedic moments.
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They don t do it on purpose, but I don t see any shame in laughing at it.
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I think that many people who have Alzheimer s people or dementia people in their life, you do a lot of times find yourself going, oh no.
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I don t know why you can t lean into that laugh a little bit, but I ve been talking about that pretty regularly.
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I know it s sad and it s hard, but I m finding, you know, after talking about grief so much in that last special that, look, the sadness is not going to go away in these situations, right?
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That s a constant.
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Like, you know, your stepfather s passed, you know, Lynn has passed, my dad s got dementia.
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So the sadness is, it s there.
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You can t do anything about that.
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And it continues to show up.
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It s a roller coaster.
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That s never going to go away.
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So you just have that as a foundation.
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There s a way to find balance with it comedically.
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And I think it s good.
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I mean, don t you?
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Absolutely.
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I think there s also times where I don t even find that I m finding balance in it.
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But yeah, you search for and hope for the balance.
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Right.
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What the balance really ends up being is like when you were working through the cancer stuff.
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Oh, did you hear about that?
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Yeah, I think someone tweeted it.
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But the risk of it is that when you begin talking about it, it s pretty vulnerable stuff.
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So when you re talking about these things, there is the risk of being inappropriate for the laugh.
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But the bigger risk is that you re not going to be able to make it funny at first.
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Oh, it s such a terrifying risk.
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Right.
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I remember thinking I can t do my regular material.
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That s not what s on my mind.
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Right.
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And I also felt like I would rather bomb and take that risk rather than do the material of, you know, oh, I was at a party last weekend.
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Sure.
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Well, the thing is, though, the benefit, if you can see it that way, of bombing with your personal tragedy is you ll still have the support.
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Like, you re not going to bomb and go like, that was a terrible show.
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People are going to be like, well, wow.
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You know, are you OK?
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You may bomb comedically, but you ll find a lot of love in the room despite that.
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I didn t believe or know that until it happened, because I truly thought, okay, I might bomb tonight and then just go away and die.
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And so I also thought that was kind of funny too.
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You can t say I didn t try, that s the last words, right?
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Just people like, oh yeah, were you at Tig s last show?
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I was, and sheesh, it was a sticker.
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They didn t catch that cancer, yeah.
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cancer of the comedy.
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Mark, now even though this is your first time on the show, it s not the first time you ve been mentioned on the podcast.
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Oh, really?
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My past guest, James Adomian, did an impression of you.
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And I d like to play the clip for you.
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Okay, yeah.
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Mark Maron is the first and only time that someone I did an impression of has given me like notes.
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Usually it s either like, hey, wow, you got me or like, how dare you?
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There was nothing like me.
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But Mark Maron was like, yeah, that was funny.
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That was funny.
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You said something.
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What was that thing you said?
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You said something about a stool.
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And I was like, yeah, I said, I m a brain suffering on a stool.
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And he goes, see, that s not exactly it.
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I m not just sitting there suffering.
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I m also giving back.
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He was like coaching me on how to do an American impression the right way.
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Is it flattering to hear an impression of you?
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And I think, do you think that s good?
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I think it s pretty impressive.
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It s pretty good.
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It s hard for me to know, but like, I also know that I m not the easiest guy to do an impression of because I don t have, like, I can t identify my tics and quirks, but I think he s got the vocal thing right.
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I think he s got the thrust of me correct.
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You do have tics and quirks.
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I know, I know I do.
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You ve got them.
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I know, and that s what it takes to do a good impression.
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Like, when you see him do it and he s hunched on the stool, I get it.
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It s good.
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I find it flattering.
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I love James.
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He s so talented.
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It s ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Listening to what I can assume is the real Marc Maron over the years on WTF, and I really come to value your vulnerability.
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Oh.
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I m just curious, do you get tired of hearing how great you are at interviewing?
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Uh, no.
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It s like, yeah, yeah, sure.
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I know, I m good.
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I m one of the best.
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I don t, but I never see it that way.
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If I did, I think it would diminish it.
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Like, I obviously have a way of doing it, but for years I didn t really think I did because I don t really set out to ask questions.
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You know, I do have more of a pattern now than I used to.
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And I m always, you know, terrified and full of dread and not sure.
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how a conversation is going to go because it really has to become a conversation or I don t know where we re going to go if it doesn t.
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And over time, I have found that, you know, it usually becomes one, sometimes not immediately.
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And I don t really know
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What the connective tissue is until shortly before I start to have it like I talked to Like I talked to Rachel vice yesterday And I had heard she likes the velvet underground and Lou Reed so like that s where I started And and then everything sort of unfolds from there.
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Anyway, I don t see myself as a great interviewer I think I m a pretty good conversationalist and I and I and I do find that the vulnerability thing gets it gets a little heavy But it it happens because I m deeply codependent and I m immediately enmeshed with people as soon as they walk into my house
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You re also, you re just so, you know, obviously highly intelligent and well-read and you have so much that you bring to an interview.
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If I have a style, it was that.
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And many people would say that I talk over the guests too much.
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I used to get that a lot.
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Like, you know, you ve got to let them answer questions.
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I m like, I m not asking questions.
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And this shows at least half about me.
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So if you listen to all those early WTF, it s all about me it s really me having famous people over to talk about me and And then it evolved from there and now I hope I find a middle zone but yeah, the vulnerability is there because I think
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that active listening, if you really open yourself up to it, to people s stories, that, especially when they re sitting right in front of you, you can really sense the feeling of it.
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And I think that over the course of the podcast, I learned to be more empathetic.
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I don t think I was...
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great at it when I was younger.
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I think that empathy is sort of, you have to sort of work that muscle because I think we re all pretty fundamentally selfish, at least I am, but we re also very sensitive.
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So you have to sort of decide how you re going to balance that.
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Talking about empathy, I have to say, you know, obviously there s been so much that s gone on in the world that s either cracked people open or they ve gone in a completely other direction.
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And I feel like you re somebody that I ve been so presently surprised by.
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And I m not saying this like, boy, Mark, you ve really needed to grow up and become more empathetic or... Yeah, mature.
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No, I m speaking about myself and everybody, especially over the past handful of years.
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I feel the same about you because, I mean, we ve known each other a long time because we are in the same community and we d see each other at festivals and stuff.
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We used to have this sort of running joke with each other that we wore the same clothes.
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It wasn t a joke.
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It was, we wore the same clothes.
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Just pop a different head on a body.
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It was very funny.
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But I think that both of us, like, I think I was, you know, I m, you know, I m intense and I m a little aggressive and, you know, and sometimes I can be kind of a, I don t know if I m an asshole.
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I don t know if I wasn t nice, but I was certainly full of a certain type of drama and very, very self-centered.
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But I think,
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You know as our lives have gone on and things that we ve gone through we ve sort of begun to open up I think it s just a humility that happens for whatever reason, you know You dealing with illness is a big deal and dealing with children and you know maintaining relationship is all stuff that sort of challenges selfishness, but you know for me When you hear me on the podcast, it s a lot of my life, you know I don t talk to a lot of people and all the conversations are part of my social life and part of my connection
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to the world.
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So I d like to think I ve changed.
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I think I m less selfish, less angry, less of an asshole, less insensitive.
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Yeah, and all I m saying is I ve noticed it, and I agree about myself as well, that I know I ve shifted, I can feel it.
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Yeah, definitely.
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And it s like even, you know, when Lynn passed away, I immediately just felt for you and was like, ah, I care about that guy.
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Well, I appreciate that.
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And I remember you reached out and I was surprised.
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I don t know why, like so many people from our community showed up, but it s so devastating that it happened because she was such a charismatic, ebullient, shiny person.
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She really was really shiny.
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It s just one of those things where you have no control over those feelings.
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There s nothing you can do to sort of make that better.
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Once you sort of come out of the shock and realize what s happened, you re never going to be the same again.
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Right.
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I thought I had found, for the first time in my life, after being, you know, through many relationships, and also being not, like, good at them, and having, you know, very difficult ones of all different kinds, that I d landed, finally, with somebody, you know, age-appropriate, someone I love, someone I respect at her town, all of the things, I was like, I can t believe it happened.
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Yeah.
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And then she passes away, and so you re grieving these possibilities.
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Yeah.
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And, and, and you can t, you can t, you certainly can t live in that place.
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And, you know, like I felt like, you know, with her, you know, I was, you know, I was going to finally sort of let down my guard, you know, you know, kind of trust love and, you know, enjoy this part of my life.
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And now I m seeing somebody and it s good, but I feel like I m regressing back to a pre-Lynne me, which is not the best.
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It s not great in relationship.
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And I start to wonder, have I really processed everything I need to process?
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But I don t know, man.
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You get old and if you re being, you know,
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I just don t know what I m capable of emotionally at this point.
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I m just, I ve got a lot of fear and not a lot of trust.
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And also I just think I m broken.
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So like, who knows?
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I m not signing up for that for you.
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But I do feel like whatever you re experiencing and whoever you re engaged with in whatever way, I think it s probably necessary to figure out where you need to be.
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Time is running out though, Tig.
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It s running out.
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Yeah, but it s been running out, and time s running out for everybody.
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And like losing Lynn, you never know what age it s going to be.
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And you re not guaranteed, as you know, to live a full life.
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And so what s exciting, though, is that you are
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and have been living a full life.
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And I just, and I know all of this conversation got started from me talking about your vulnerability and my appreciation for it, but it is, it s genuine.
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And I, to say again, I just really, really felt for you and continue to.
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Thanks.
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I m doing okay.
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I m okay.
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I really am.
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I, you know, I, I m trying to experience joy.
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I tend to fight it.
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So we ll see.
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Well, I can certainly relate.
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Yeah, I appreciate it.
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And I m glad we re both alive and I m glad we re okay.
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The last time I talked to you, we talked about cooking oils and, you know, I never don t think about it.
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Oh my God, I m so annoying.
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Well, no, I ve been vegan for three months.
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Oh God, now here we go again.
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Why didn t you tell me?
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I mean, well, we have to have a side conversation.
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I ll call you.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I ve been vegan for three months.
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I really enjoy cooking the food and eating the food.
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Like I m doing a joke about it, which is, I think you ll like it.
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You might even have a joke like this where I say like,
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I say like, you know, I ve been vegan for three months, and I have to be honest with you, not great.
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I don t feel better mentally, physically, really in any way, and I m uncomfortable with the amount of carbs I m eating.
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But I ll tell you, honestly, there s one thing that I know deep down right now is that I m better than other people.
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I don t have a joke like that.
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I was hoping that I did so we could be dressed alike and doing comedy the exact same.
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Now, Mark, we have listeners that have questions and want advice from us, so what do you say we get into that?
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Are you ready?
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Yes, I will speak from my experience if I can.
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That s all we can do, my friend.
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Let s get started.
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First up, a question from Down Under.
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I m assuming that s Australia.
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Yeah, you re correct.
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This comes from Shannon in Melbourne.
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Did you perform in Australia?
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I m sure you did.
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I have, sure.
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Yeah, I have.
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Yeah.
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You know, the locals say Melbourne.
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Melbourne.
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Yeah, I like Melbourne.
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I like Melbourne.
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Yeah, I love it there.
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Oh my gosh, I love it there.
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Shannon writes, hi Tig, I have a dating dilemma to run past you.
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I ve had braces on for about five months and they should be on for just over a year.
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Should I add a photo of me with them on my online dating profile if they re only temporary?
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Well, it depends.
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I think if you want the date to only be temporary, you might as well be honest.
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But if you want it to be... I think either way, why not?
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In the long term, if you re looking for a life partner, they ll know that your braces are temporary.
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I don t want to be misunderstood.
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I m not saying people are unattractive with braces, but I don t see why you wouldn t put it up there.
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This is related and unrelated, but my wife Stephanie, when she was in kindergarten, made a pact with herself that she wasn t gonna smile for the entire kindergarten year, and she did it.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That s interesting.
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If you ve got that kind of strength to hide your braces for an entire relationship, then yes.
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But yeah, if you re looking for a long-term relationship,
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They ll understand.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don t know anything about dating profiles.
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I ve never had to.
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I ve heard things about pics not representing people, honestly.
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You know, I ve heard all that.
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Why can t you just post a recent picture and just say they ll be off eventually?
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It is funny.
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I mean, I haven t been on dating profiles either, but it is funny.
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I ve seen people that look a particular way in a picture than in person.
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You re like, I m sorry, what?
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What on earth?
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I don t know what they think is going to happen when they go on the date.
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I don t know.
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I ve never been on.
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I m so out of that.
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I don t know anything about that.
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Would you ever do it?
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Would you sign up on a dating app?
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No, no, it s weird.
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I don t like, you know, in my life, I generally meet people because they reach out.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Like, hey, and I m like, hi.
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And, you know, even with like, well, how did I meet Lynn?
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Oh my God, well, she was a guest on WTF.
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And actually my intentions were not, it s a long story, but we definitely, like, if you listened to that first time we met, it s crazy that, you know, we were definitely into each other, but yeah.
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I heard that episode.
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Yeah, it was crazy.
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All right.
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Shannon, Mark and I wish you all the luck finding that special someone, but you have got to reveal the true Shannon, okay?
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And that s where you re gonna find luck in your love life.
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Whether it s in a picture or in real life.
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Look, I mean, we re talking about Mark revealing his real self on his podcast and people are reaching out saying.
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Maybe you ll find somebody that just loves braces.
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I know it s weird when you find people are into certain things.
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I remember after I had my double mastectomy, I was so insecure about my body and then I find out there are girls that are like, I love scars.
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I m like, wow.
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Now all of a sudden I feel confident.
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Mark, we re going to take a break, but then we ll return very soon with more listener questions.
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And we re back.
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Mark, this next question was sent in by Jane.
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Hi, Tig.
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So once a week, I attend a church class, and it involves a lot of discussion.
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And I can t help but notice that a lot of other people in the class make a lot of funny, witty comments that makes everyone else in the class laugh.
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So I ve tried on multiple occasions to make funny comments also, and it hasn t really turned out.
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So is there a way that I can work on my jokes, or is being funny a talent that some people just don t have?
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Hmm.
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Well, you know, you seem like a very nice person.
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And in my experience, sadly, to be funny in class, you ve really got to want to be disruptive.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It doesn t feel like something that you, it s like a measured peppering in.
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I m going to try and be funny.
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It s, I think it s in your blood.
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Yeah, but I mean, like, look, oddly, though, and you know this as well as I do, I ve seen comics, like people we started with, when you first see them, you re like, this is not gonna work out.
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And then they become funny.
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Absolutely.
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I was gonna say the exact same thing.
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There s a guy, and I, of course, won t mention his name, but he was terrible.
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He was terrible.
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And honestly, I don t know where he is now, but I did see
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his growth as a comedian, and I was blown away.
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It s like I just had to turn my head for five years, and then I went into some weird club, and man, did everything that was annoying about him, he focused into what was hilarious.
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And that s something that you hear all the time when you re growing up, whether you re a comedian or not, that it s like, you re special, you re one of a kind, and you should use what it is
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that makes you special.
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And that s what people are going to like.
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And that s also what s going to make people like you as a comedian.
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But it s belief in that, believing that.
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That s the weird thing is when you see those people, you re like, this is just odd.
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Yeah.
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And you know, it s uncomfortable.
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And what are they thinking?
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But most of the people that become funny like that, they knew exactly what they were thinking, and they couldn t do it any other way.
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And eventually it starts to work.
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Well, I guess the question for Jane is that, do you think you re funny?
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I mean, that s a big question.
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I know it s exciting to see funny people and to laugh at funny people, but I mean, do you just want to be funny or do you think you re funny?
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I guess she can t answer, but she ll figure it out.
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But I d hate for her to just keep throwing duds out there in church class.
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Oh, right, I forgot it s church class.
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Oh, Jane.
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I do feel like there is so much power in delivery.
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Timing.
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Timing, your delivery is going to be great if you re believing in yourself.
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And I don t want to give bad advice.
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Sure, it s called Don t Ask Tig.
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In the particular venue that she s working in,
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that a surefire way to get a pretty solid laugh is to be inappropriate.
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Say something shocking at the church class.
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Or even just yell out, hey, we re in church class.
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Isn t that silly?
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But I know that feeling though, I can remember specific events when I was in school where I cracked a joke that seemed timed perfectly and just got nothing.
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But a bunch of other students kind of looking at me like, what?
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It s the worst feeling.
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Well, Jane, take the advice from two professional comedians.
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Break a leg in church class, though, whatever you do.
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You know, keep trying until you just feel too embarrassed to do it anymore, and then become a stand-up.
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And then get a podcast.
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It s all gonna unfold for you.
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You call your home the Cat Ranch.
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The original Cat Ranch.
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I don t know if this one s really a Cat Ranch, but the other one was a Cat Ranch because I had several cats, and then there were several strays around.
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Yeah, I used to call it the Cat Ranch, yeah.
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Well, my house is called Kitty City.
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Oh, that s good.
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Were you always a cat lover?
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Well, my ex-wife, the second one, brought me a kitten.
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Then I just started this relationship with cats, and it just never stopped.
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I don t know if I m the optimum cat owner, because I m a little abrasive, but now I ve got three again, and they re all dudes.
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And, you know, it s kind of crazy over here, but they all like each other, and one of them s kind of dumb.
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Our three really get along, and when we go put Max and Finn to bed, all three cats come in, and then when we go down to eat, all three cats, and we re always like, oh, kitty city, kitty city.
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I got a new one.
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I got Charlie.
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He s less than a year, and he s just out of control, like just breaking things.
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It s crazy.
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But it s great.
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He also fetches, which is always, it s always fun to have a cat that fetches for a while.
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That s the best.
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Yeah.
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Well, I think that you and I are more than qualified to weigh in on this next question because of our cat love and obsession.
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Yeah.
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Rose in Portland writes, hey Tig, a cute young cat started visiting our family after we moved into a new house.
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We asked neighbors, but no one recognized him.
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Eventually, he started coming inside and blending into our family.
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Then one day, he showed up with a collar, and we found out he belongs to a neighbor in her teens.
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She gets him right away when we call, but he s at our place all the time and acts like he lives here.
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It s like we re slowly and awkwardly stealing our neighbor s cat, but the biggest issue is that he s not neutered.
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We offered to arrange and pay for the surgery, and his owner said yes, but soon changed her mind, saying that she ll get it done herself.
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Is it okay to tell her, if you aren t able to get him neutered in the next two weeks, we ll take care of it?
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What would you do? 
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Absolutely.
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I mean, it s a bigger issue.
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You can t have all these feral cats everywhere.
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It s not good.
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Someone has to act on it.
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I ve neutered cats that were hanging around my old house.
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I don t even know if they belonged to other people.
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There was this big black cat that had these huge balls that was just running around with his face all ready to go and just like out in the world.
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And he belonged to someone down the street.
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And me and my girlfriend at the time were like, we re going to do it.
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And we just,
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We just did it.
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Wow.
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If the cat s outside living a life, you have to spay or neuter.
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It s your responsibility.
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I agree.
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And especially if this cat is always hanging around your house and you re in touch with these people, I would for sure say to do that.
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Well, it sounds like she s a kid and I don t know what, you know, what her angle is on it.
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Do you know?
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You know, I don t know.
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what she s attached to or why she wouldn t want to have it done.
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I mean, you just have to do it.
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Like, as a guy, and this is weird, you know, all my kittens are males.
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And, you know, there just comes a time where you re like, sorry, you know, those got to go.
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And I feel for you, but we got to take the balls off.
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It s a cat and you re doing the right thing.
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I don t know what she s holding back on, but you don t want to, you know, these kittens, they re just going to be litters of cats.
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No, you can t have a cat out there with either things working.
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Oh my God.
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All right, well, Rose, we hope that helps.
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Good luck.
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Mark, it s now time for us to answer a question sent in this evening by one of our audience members.
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Okay.
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Amanda writes, I m a psychoanalyst in training, and it s taking up nearly all of my time.
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I m in a very intensive program, in therapy three times a week, classes last all day long, and have 100 to 200 pages to read every week.
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It s a lot.
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That s not even the problem.
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I have a lot of friends who are upset with me or think I m upset with them no matter how much I try to communicate what is going on in my life with this massive five-year undertaking.
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Do you have any advice for maneuvering life and relationships when you re hyper-focused on something big, challenging, and long-term?
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Well, I mean, if your friends aren t understanding about that, that would be something that would make me wonder about these friendships.
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I have plenty of friends that are, including myself, I get so busy.
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And if people weren t understanding, I would be concerned about the connection that we have.
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But yeah, but you know, like, it might not be the friend.
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It s not like she needs new friends.
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She doesn t have time.
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She got no time for the one she has either.
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You know, I know, but I m just saying, like, wouldn t you understand or would you not understand?
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Well, I think that people are weird.
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And how many real friends do you have?
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You know what I mean?
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You know, if you re five,
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All you need are two, you know, you need the main one and then the one you go to when you back up, you drain the main one.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, I understand her plight, but there s another way to look at it, too, with these kind of things is that, you know, next year might be different.
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You know, it s a finite amount of time until you get to where you need to be.
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and also you re gonna find out who your real friends really are, and maybe they ll work around your schedule, but the dynamic s gonna change, because you just don t have the emotional time or space for them, and that might affect their side of it, too.
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It s just, it s a difficult time when you have that type of work in front of you, that type of work to do, but it will end, and you will get rewarded for the work you ve done, and the friends that are real friends will be there on the other side of it.
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Yeah, it s a weird pressure when people don t understand
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your work or school or relationships.
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Or, you know what would be good is if you said, here is when I do have a break coming up, and say, why don t we plan something at this point instead of saying, no, I m not available, no, I can t, no, no, no.
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And if you really wanna see him, say, oh, in the springtime, I have a couple of days free and let s make a plan.
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Also, don t underestimate the possibility that some of them might just be shitty friends, and their jealousy and selfishness is gonna bring you down.
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That s always a story, right?
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They re either jealous, or they re not doing what they wanna do with their life, and they re sort of like, why don t you have time for me?
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Don t let them take you off your, don t lose focus.
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Right, all right, Amanda, hang in there.
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Just set some boundaries, and if you have time, make a plan to see your friends.
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Experiment with some active listening to your friends  selfish problems.
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You know, start applying your new skills.
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All right, the show is almost over, Mark.
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Yeah.
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But I have one last thing that I need your help with.
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Okay.
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It s a special segment called Name That Thing.
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Name that thing, right?
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It s the part of the show where we help people figure out what to call their stuff.
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We ve named a lot of things, from a board game to a grandmother.
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The only catch is that whatever name we come up with, it s legally binding.
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The listener must use it.
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Do you think you can help with this, Marc?
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I think so.
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I don t know if I m great at these kind of things, but I ll try.
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I m open to it.
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Today s request comes from Priscilla in Copenhagen.
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Priscilla writes, hi Tig, I m working on creating a new variety of tomato.
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I m trying for a furry tomato.
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Sounds weird, but there are actually lots of furry and fuzzy tomatoes, almost like peaches.
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Lots of tomatoes have impossibly long and often German names.
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What would be good, catchy, and short for my new tomato variety? 
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This is where we have to like really think this through, Mark, because again, Priscilla is going to stick with this name.
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And this is, we are naming a tomato.
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This is important.
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So I try and think about,
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Some key words here.
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There s furry, there s fuzzy.
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Well, it could be a peachy tomato.
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That s an option.
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A peachy tomato.
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What about German?
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Do you know German?
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I don t.
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Why can t we just go with like fuzzy toms?
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Fuzzy toms?
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Okay.
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I don t want to fight about it.
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I don t want this to be the
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end of Me and You?
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No, it just seems like it s right there somehow.
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There s a million different, like someone just said, Fermato.
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But Fuzzy Toms is a little better.
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You want it to be a little appetizing.
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Fuzzy Toms?
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Yeah, they re kind of nice.
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I like Fuzzy Toms.
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I really like the name.
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I don t know if Fuzzy Tom would get me to eat something.
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That would whet your appetite?
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Maybe not.
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You want a couple of Fuzzy Toms?
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Well, you know, I guess Fuzzy is not the appetizing part of it, but she seems pretty proud of the Fuzz.
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What about Furry Toms?
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Furry is definitely not that appetizing.
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Yes.
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Fuzzy Fun Toms.
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Fun Fuzz.
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Fun Fuzzators.
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Fuzzy Tom Toms?
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Fuzzy Tom Toms.
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I like that, fuzzy tom-tom.
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Yeah, that s pretty good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Fuzzy toms, honestly, would gross me out.
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Yeah.
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If somebody said, do you want a fuzzy tom?
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I would be like, no, thank you.
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Yeah.
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But if they were like, would you like a fuzzy tom-tom?
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Right.
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I d be very curious.
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Or how about fuzzy tasties?
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Fuzzy tasties?
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I think fuzz is, it s hard to get over that, you know, to make fuzz advertising.
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Because right when you say fuzz, you kind of want to start picking your tongue a little bit.
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I know, but Fuzzy Tom Toms is so fun.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Mark, are we going to agree on the name?
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Fuzzy Tom Toms?
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I like Fuzzy Tom Toms.
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I do too.
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Oh, someone just texted Velveto.
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That s pretty good.
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Velveto?
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Because like something smooth as velvet, like velvety.
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That s a tasty texture sometimes.
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But it s not as fun as Fuzzy Tom Toms.
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I know, fuzzy tom-toms.
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Let s do it, fuzzy tom-toms.
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I m kind of sold on it, because I feel like it was also a nice mix of you and I coming to this.
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To a decision.
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Yeah.
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Putting some rhythm to it.
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You were like, how about this?
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And I was like, but how about this?
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And then it s like, well, we now have fuzzy tom-toms.
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Yeah.
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All right, Priscilla, your furry tomatoes are officially named fuzzy tom-toms.
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Yay.
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And she has to use it.
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We ll send someone out to make sure.
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We sure will.
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Mark, we ve officially reached the end of the show, but right when we got to the end, I had one more question that I m sure you get asked all the time, and I just have to ask you.
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Okay.
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Genuinely, do you still enjoy doing your podcast?
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Yeah, I need to do it.
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I genuinely do enjoy it still because I never know what s going to happen.
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I don t know these people, most of them.
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And if I do know them, it s from their TV appearances or their work, or I ve seen them around comedy clubs for my entire life.
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So it s genuinely engaging and I m full of mild dread before every conversation I have.
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And it s good.
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You are genuinely engaging as well.
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And I hope that you continue to do your show because it s opened my eyes to so many people and I ve had the pleasure to know you and to get to know you better through your podcast.
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Well, I am always happy to see you and I feel like we re old friends.
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We ve known each other a long time and I m happy
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that we know each other.
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Same.
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And I m glad that you re doing well as well.
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Very much the same.
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And I m really thankful that you took the time to be on the show.
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It was truly a pleasure to have you and to see you again.
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Really was.
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Both ways there.
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Great to see you too.
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Thanks for having me.
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There s so much I want you to see.
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I wish that I could give you the answers.
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I wish that I could make you believe.
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I wish that I could put you on your path and set you free.
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That s what you re worth.
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Don t Ask Tig is hosted by me, Tig Notaro.
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It s produced by Thomas Ouellette and Shana Deloria.
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Our executive producer and editor is Beth Perlman.
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Engineering and sound mixing by Alex Simpson.
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Digital production by James Napoli.
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Talent booking by Marianne Ways.
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Our theme music is Friend in Tig by Edie Burkell and Kyle Krushem.
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And Listen to Your Heart by Edie Burkell.
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Special thanks to Hunter Seidman.
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APM Studios executives in charge are Chandra Cavati, Alex Schaffert, and Joanne Griffith.
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Concept developed by Tracy Mumford.
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Our executive consultant is Dean Capello and Gobsmack Studios.
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You can always ask for advice at DontAskTig.org.
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Just write in with your problem or send us a voice memo.
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Remember to follow us on social media at DontAskTig.
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Don t Ask Tig is a production of American Public Media.
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And as always, thanks, Dana.
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And I ll tell Becky.
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Hi, I m stand-up comedian and sex symbol Tig Notaro.
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And I m actor and writer Cheryl Hines.
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Before Cheryl and I got into the big business of podcasting together, we were just simply friends.
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And we re still friends.
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But now we talk about a different documentary every week on our podcast, Tig and Cheryl, True Story.
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So whether you love documentaries or just want to hear us slowly lose our minds, check out Tig and Cheryl, True Story, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Alright, cool.