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Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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I wanted to be on Food Network.
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I kept getting, no, no, no.
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We re not interested in her.
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We re not interested in her.
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We re not interested in her.
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And I d almost given up.
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And I was in LA.
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I thought I was going to move to LA.
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I thought maybe I d try to be a screenwriter.
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It was like day 28 of my 30 days there.
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And Mark Millett, our friend, was my agent at the time.
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And he called me and said, there s this new show that they re casting for Food Network and you d be perfect for it.
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You need to come back here and try out for it.
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And I said, Mark, they have passed on me for seven years.
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I m having a good time.
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I was dating somebody out there.
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I was going out every night.
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I was like, I m not coming back to New York.
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And he said, you get your ass on a plane and get back here right now.
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And I got on the plane and I went back.
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And sure enough, I got the kitchen and it changed my life.
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This episode, you re going to learn about cooking, and you re also going to learn how to give the best blowjob of your life.
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Don t ask.
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You ll find out in this episode.
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This episode truly goes everywhere.
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That s what I like about Katie Lee Beagle.
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First of all, she is like America s sweetheart, but with an edge.
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She s a cookbook author, a television food critic, and a novelist.
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She s real as fuck.
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She s funny.
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And boy, can she cook.
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I am telling you, she invited me over for dinner.
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I have never had a better meal.
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It was like home cooked goodness with the best wine, which is her wine.
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We ll get into that.
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And then she made these cookies, you guys.
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They were like chewy, but like soft, but like crunchy chocolate chip cookies, just the perfect consistency.
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And she told me that the secret to these cookies was miso.
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I couldn t believe it.
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Zaza and I have been making her miso cookies.
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They re chocolate chip cookies.
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All the time, Zaza and I are obsessed.
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They re the best chocolate chip cookies I ve ever had.
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We re going to talk about her start on television, getting fired from Top Chef, Billy Joel.
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She was married to him for a bit.
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Getting her own cooking show, the process of writing a cookbook, her ambition, her experience with IVF, the entire IVF process, and her new husband and her daughter.
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But we re also going to talk about her go-to recipes and how to make cooking easy.
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And then, like I said, we re going to give you the recipe on how to give a blowjob.
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This is a great episode.
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I really liked it.
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It feels like you re at dinner with us.
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Katie Lee, welcome to The Him and Her Show.
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This is the skinny, confidential him and her.
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Last night was one of the most shocking nights of my life.
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I don t think, I mean, it s been four scores in seven years since I ve had, or several years since I ve had a home-cooked meal.
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And to have a home-cooked meal by you of all people alone, the bar has been set very high.
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I don t know if I ve had better cookies in my entire life.
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Yeah, what was in those cookies, Katie?
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Why, thank you.
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Those are my specialty cookies.
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They re miso chocolate chip cookies.
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Miso is the secret ingredient to the best chocolate chip cookies.
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That s so confusing to me.
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I don t understand how that s such a good ingredient.
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Listen, the whole table was passing the cookies around, but they kept putting in front of me and I wanted them to stop because I kept eating more and more cookies.
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The cookies, there s just something about it.
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Like the miso makes the chocolate taste chocolatey or if that makes any sense, like the umami in it.
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And then the texture of the miso makes you have this really good chewy cookie.
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Damn, those were good.
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I could have eaten a whole plate of those.
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Get your notepad out, Lauren.
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I am getting my notepad out.
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This is why I wanted to have Katie on the show because I feel like she s very digestible in the way she explains something.
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Now I m going to add miso to my cookies.
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Okay.
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I want to get the lay of the land with you.
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I want to go back to when you were a little girl.
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I want to know what the epiphany was when you decided that you liked to cook.
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Was it when you were really, really young?
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Really little.
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I would just hang out in my grandma s kitchen.
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I m from a really small town in West Virginia, Milton, West Virginia.
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It s 2200 people.
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And my grandma was my babysitter.
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So I was just always cooking with her.
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My favorite thing to do is to make biscuits.
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I was like four years old standing there at the kitchen counter.
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So we were one of those families that was talking about what we were going to eat at the next meal while we were having a meal.
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We just loved food, loved cooking.
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But it was like down home comfort food.
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I wasn t really exposed to other types of cuisine.
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It was just that kind of like southern-ish type of food.
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And then I went to college.
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I wanted to study journalism.
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And I was working in restaurants.
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I started reading Bon Appetit and Gourmet and Food and Wine.
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This was around the time that the Food Network started and I was watching those shows and I thought, could I be a food journalist?
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I was also watching Sex and the City and thinking, could I be the Carrie of food?
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And that was my plan.
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I just, I wanted to write about food.
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And then I came to New York and it just kind of all evolved.
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When you were young, is it sort of like a way that your family showed love with food?
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Because I ve heard so many different stories about people who have fallen into the food industry, and a lot of them say that their family showed love that way.
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I think so.
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I think that that was the way that we communicated love and comfort.
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My great-aunt and uncle lived in our neighborhood as well, my great-grandmother, and they all cooked also.
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So, like, my grandma would call up to her sister s house and say, I just made a cake.
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If Larry wants any cake, come and get it.
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You know, so it was like everybody was kind of going around eating at each other s houses, and that was the way that we saw each other.
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That was our hangout.
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So you had an association with it.
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Have you always been so driven?
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Like, when you were little, were you a driven person?
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I was super driven as a kid.
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Yeah, always.
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And I can remember being a little girl, and I always liked nice stuff, even though we didn t have any money growing up.
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And I remember people saying in front of me, oh, she better marry a rich man.
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And I d go, nope, I m going to make my own money.
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And it was like a little kid saying that.
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Like, I knew that I always wanted to work.
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So at what point do you start actually working?
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I think I started babysitting my cousins when I was like 11 and making money.
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I had my little bank book that I d write all my deposits in.
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So I was always really into saving and not spending.
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I m still like that.
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I m a big saver.
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So I just was always having a job.
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What s so interesting to me about your career is it sounds like you took all these little tidbits from your childhood and mixed them together to make a recipe of what you are today.
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Yeah, that s a good way of putting it.
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Yeah, I took what I loved and made it into a job and made it into a career.
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So I feel really fortunate that I get to do this that is, in a way, a hobby.
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And that s how I earn my living.
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What was the first gig you got that was, you know, where people got to actually see what you were cooking?
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what you were doing.
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Who was the first people that put you on?
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Well, let s see.
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I did extra some.
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I would go on extra and do little interview segments.
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And then I started a food blog back in the dark ages of blogs.
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I didn t even know what a blog was.
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And one of my girlfriends said, do you want to start a blog with me?
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And I was like, sure.
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And so we were making dishes and like holding up a white poster board as a reflector not knowing what we were doing But we had seen someone who did that at a photo shoot So we figured we should do it and we started this blog and then one day I got an email through the blog that said we re casting Top Chef.
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It s gonna be a new cooking show.
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We produce Project Runway and Project Greenlight Would you come in?
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and read for the host and I thought this must be fake and I searched them and sure enough they were real and the next day I went into 30 Rock and read for it and two days later was on a plane to San Francisco and shot the first season.
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What was the things that you had to do before getting on a plane to Top Chef that were hard?
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Like when you look back, what are the hard things that you had to do to sort of get to where you were?
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Well, that happened really quickly for me, and I think that that s why that didn t work out.
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So I only did one season of that show and then I got let go.
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And I think it s because I was ill prepared.
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I was green.
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I was not ready for it.
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I had done such a minimal amount of television at that point to know how to to be able to navigate how to host a show, especially a competition show at that young of an age.
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I just didn t have it in me.
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and it wasn t the right vehicle.
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Before that, I had worked in restaurants.
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I actually got a job as a fishmonger when I first moved to the Hamptons.
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That was my gig.
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What exactly is a fishmonger again?
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So, I worked the fish counter, and I was cutting up fish and selling it to people, and that was my job.
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And then I had my food blog, I wrote some for Hamptons Magazine, but I certainly was not in a position to be hosting that show.
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And it did not work out.
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So what is it like to go to this huge network television show ill-prepared and being thrown into something that you don t know what the fuck you re doing?
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And were you always comfortable being in front of people?
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Yeah, I was pretty comfortable being in front of people, and I think I was a confident person, and that s why I did it.
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It was kind of like naivete in a way of just like, yeah, sure, I can do this.
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And I got there, and I was pretty scared once it started, once those cameras started rolling.
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I remember I hated my outfit for the first episode, and I remember just feeling so self-conscious.
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Did they dress you in it, or did you pick it?
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They dressed me.
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Okay.
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And it was purple and i remember think and purple velvet and i remember thinking oh god this purple is a risky color yes it was not a good luck.
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The first episode i had when i had to eliminate.
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The guy i my heart was beating so fast that the mic picked it up and i had to do it a second time.
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So my heart was beating so quickly and so loudly that the microphone picked it up and we had to do it a second time, which of course I didn t want to have to do because I already was so nervous doing it the first time.
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So it was kind of like doomed from the beginning.
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And is your heart beating because you re nervous to eliminate him or because you re nervous you re on TV or both?
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I was nervous to eliminate him.
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He was aggressive and kind of somebody who had a very combative personality, perfect for reality television.
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So I was really nervous.
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And I was nervous because also people are putting themselves out to be on these shows.
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And even now when I do a Beat Bobby Flay and I have to tell somebody that they re going home,
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I feel bad.
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I feel bad for them.
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They re trying so hard.
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Yeah, nobody wants to just crush somebody s dreams.
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Right, right.
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Not to make you feel worse.
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Yeah, but that s how you feel.
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You feel like, oh gosh, this person now has got to go home.
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So when Top Chef doesn t work out, what did that feel like sort of getting back on the plane and having to go back to reality?
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Well, I didn t know that I wasn t getting asked back until the day after the finale aired.
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Okay.
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So it was a lot of waiting around and wondering what was going to happen.
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I kind of knew because it didn t feel right to me, and I could tell that the audience didn t connect.
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Like, that was at the time when people were... I mean, people still are posting comments online, but it was before social media.
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But if you went on any of the blogs and read the comments, they were vicious.
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And what were they vicious about that that didn t like me?
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I think a lot of it was that I had a famous husband and it was which is probably the only reason I got hired to do it in the first place.
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Let s be honest.
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I had a famous last name and so Bravo likes that.
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So the day after the finale aired Andy Cohen called me and fired me and it was a really like uncomfortable
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you know, it s bad for your ego.
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Anybody, even if you don t want to do something like it hurts.
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So it definitely hurt.
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And I had a really hard time in my career recovering from that because in that role, I was not myself.
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The first day the producer said to me, we want you to act like Heidi Klum on Project Runway.
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We want you to be cold, icy.
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I remember they wanted to cut my hair short so that I looked more authoritative and thank goodness I wouldn t let them cut my hair.
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Totally not your personality to be cold and icy.
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Yeah, it was not my personality.
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And I think that was one of the reasons I was so nervous because it was like, I m not an actress and I m having to play this other persona.
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So I had a hard time recovering from that being the first way that people had seen me on television.
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So it took me seven years to get The Kitchen on Food Network after that, because people just saw me one way.
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And at the time, you mentioned your husband, was he helping?
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Because obviously he had a stage presence and had been in that world.
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Was he kind of coaching you through this, saying, hey, you can go start again and you can do something else?
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Yeah, he was very supportive, and I remember him telling me, you ve got to know that the difference between people in the music business and people in the television business, music business people will lie to your face, but they don t really expect you to believe it.
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Television people will lie to your face and expect you to believe it.
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What do you mean?
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Yeah, I don t get what you mean.
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We don t know if we re bringing you back for the show or not.
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We haven t made any decisions yet.
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When really, they knew all along, and they waited till the day after the finale aired to cover themselves.
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Whereas a music person would do what?
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They d lie to you, but they wouldn t expect you to believe that they were lying.
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Got it.
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And and the TV, they wanted me to they expected me to believe what they were telling me.
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I didn t realize that you were simultaneously on this show and married to your first husband.
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How how did you meet your first husband?
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Being a girl who s doing a blog, you re fresh out of college.
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What s the meeting of that like?
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Well, I actually met him while I was still in college.
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You met him in college.
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So I came to New York City for a weekend with my roommate to look at the French Culinary Institute.
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I wanted to go to school there after graduation.
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And we were in the Peninsula Hotel because someone told us go there rooftop to have a drink and see a view of the city.
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And I literally bumped into him.
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I was in my purse in the hotel lobby and bumped into him.
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And I didn t recognize him, but my friend said, Oh, Billy Joel, we re going to the roof for drink.
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Why don t you meet us?
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And like a half hour later, sure enough, he came up and that was how we met.
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Were you familiar with.
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Kind of.
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I mean, I wasn t like a fan.
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I knew Uptown Girl and Piano Man, and that was about it.
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We had drinks.
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He took us to dinner.
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I thought he probably knows a better restaurant than we do.
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So sure, let s go.
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And we went to dinner.
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And then he said, I ve got this Broadway show on.
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Do you guys want to go see it?
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And I said, sure.
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He jumps on stage, sings the last couple songs of the show.
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And I thought that was his gig.
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I thought every night he went to his Broadway show and sang the songs.
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I didn t realize he was doing it for us.
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I would think the same thing.
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Yeah, I was like, I was somehow unimpressed.
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It s like here I was this 21 year old living in Ohio at the time going to school and I just was like, oh yeah, this is just this is New York s fun.
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This is what it s like.
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All the guys fall in love with the girls when they re unimpressed.
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The trick is be unimpressed and ignore.
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You guys all can t handle an unimpressed girl.
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They re all the same.
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Well, and I imagine especially somebody that had reached that level of success, when you re like, oh, whatever, it s like that was probably unique for him as well, right?
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Right.
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So when you, okay, you grow up the way you do, small town, home cooking, and all of a sudden you re married to somebody with that kind of notoriety.
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And you enter that world.
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No, we re not at the married stage yet.
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I need to go back to the dating.
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No, but hold on.
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Okay.
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Oh, you re dating.
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Fine.
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Dating.
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But however you want to say it.
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Is that like, is that strange for you?
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Or are you just kind of like, what s going on?
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Definitely.
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It was like two different worlds.
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I mean, I, I was in school and on the weekend, I didn t tell any of my friends I was dating him.
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I didn t want anybody to know.
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And, um, because I didn t want people in my business.
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I didn t want people talking about me and I didn t want people ruining it.
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Mark and and I think that that s if you re dating anybody, forget it, rock star, anybody, just normal people.
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When you get other people involved, that s when things start to fall apart.
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He who talks the most loses the most.
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I ve always believed that.
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Oh, we talk for a living.
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But telling stuff on yourself, you know, I guess we re telling stuff on, I m telling stuff on myself right now.
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A little more wine.
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Yeah, I have another glass, right?
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So on the weekends, I was getting on a private plane, flying around to different places around the country to meet him wherever he was on tour.
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I remember getting on a private plane by myself for the first time, and there was a big basket of candy.
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And I was like, oh my God, free candy.
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And I put it all in my purse.
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Oh my God, like the candy, like the strawberry candies that you get at like Carbone.
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You re like stuffing it in your purse.
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And chocolates and everything.
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Like the basket you have.
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You re saying like the catering stuff.
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Yes, I put it in my purse.
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It s pure.
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I think that s probably why he fell so deeply in love with you because there s a purity to that.
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Yeah, I mean, it s being authentic and real.
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Yeah.
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And not posturing to be anything other than yourself.
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So it was a really different situation.
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The last weekend before I graduated, the National Enquirer broke a story on our relationship.
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I thought, nobody reads the National Enquirer.
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I m fine.
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And it was the last day it was on newsstands.
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Somebody at school figured out that it was in there, and then it sold out in every store in the town.
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And everywhere I went in the college town, people were wanting to ask me about my relationship.
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And it was like, I could not get out of that town
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fast enough after that in a way where they re like asking you for information or they re asking you like they re they think it s cool what do you mean asking for information like you know wanting to know that it was i didn t like being on the spot like that so it was pressure yeah did you leave the town
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Well, I graduated and that was it.
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That was it.
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And did you move to New York?
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I moved straight to the Hamptons.
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And at what point are you guys getting married?
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Was it quick or slow?
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It was about a year and a half later.
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So I went to the Hamptons and I said, I m just coming for the summer.
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I didn t plan on moving to New York.
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I planned on moving to New York City, not to the Hamptons.
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I got the job at the fish market, so I was like rockstar girlfriend by night and fishmonger by day.
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I love it.
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I love that you were a fishmonger.
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That s so cool.
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That s amazing.
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I remember he was like, why do you want to work?
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I said, I have to work.
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I wanted to know about seafood.
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I was from a landlocked state, and so that was how I was going to learn about fish was working in the fish market.
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I have a theory about why this happened so fast.
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Billy Joel took one bite of those cookies.
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I was like, I m not letting these go.
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When you go from being in Ohio in college to living in, I m assuming, a beautiful house in the Hamptons with the Hamptons at your fingertips, which is like so bougie and amazing, was it kind of a mindfuck or was it feeling natural to you?
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I actually had a really hard time that summer.
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I had, I think that people just looked at me as like the flavor of the week.
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Didn t take me seriously.
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I was really young and I get it now as an older woman, I would probably look and be like, Oh God, who s this 21 year old.
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Give me a break.
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So I, I understand.
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Uh, was there a big age gap?
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Yeah, he was 54.
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I was 21.
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Okay.
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Damn Billy.
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Yeah.
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Or 53.
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I m sorry.
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We were 32 year age gap.
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Right.
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So, you know, I get it.
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I understand now looking back why people may have reacted to me the way that they did.
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But I was self-conscious and it bothered me.
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And I remember coming home from the fish market because I d say to somebody, hi, how are you?
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What can I what can I help you with?
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And they go, I m just looking.
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And I come home and go.
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Why are people so mean?
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I m just saying, how are you today?
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And it s like, I m just looking.
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It s just a different energy.
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It s just a different energy.
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And now I m probably the one to go, I m just looking.
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But I will say when we moved to Texas and you move into that kind of like Southern hospitality, it was coming from LA.
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It was a mindfuck for us in the beginning where we would walk through the neighborhood on our morning walks and be like, hey, how you doing?
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When people said hi, I was like, what s going on?
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You re like, why are you talking to me?
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What do you want from me?
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I m like, what s your problem, buddy?
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And now I m like, I m the guy with the coffee waving around at everybody.
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But it s just like, it s a different thing.
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And I think in a lot of the big cities, it s like, hey, move it on, buddy.
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We don t got time for pleasantries.
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Totally.
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How, when you guys got married, was it a big ordeal or did you do something intimate?
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We had a big wedding.
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And that doesn t seem like your personality to me.
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Not anymore.
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No, I m not.
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When Ryan and I got married, we had 40 people that like felt much more like me and more intimate.
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Yeah.
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So when you have this big wedding, were you like, did you like it at the time or were you kind of like.
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I did.
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I mean, I was so happy.
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I had a great time.
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I met one of my very best friends ever as my wedding planner, Marcy Bloom, who you all have met.
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Hi, Marcy.
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So I joke I lost the husband and kept the wedding planner.
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So that was a great thing.
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And after you came back from Top Chef, you guys were married.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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So then after you come back, what happens in your career then?
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So then I was kind of stagnant for a while.
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I wrote a book.
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I wrote a cookbook and I started doing weekly segments on the early show on CBS, which was their morning show at the time.
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And so I had my weekly cooking segments.
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I did that for years and I loved doing that.
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Gave me so much more experience.
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I think the only way to get better at being on camera is to be on camera.
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And I knew that I liked it.
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And I knew that if I got to be myself, that I would excel and that I had something to say and and I had to find my voice and I had to find the confidence to to use it.
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Doing those weekly shows really, really helped.
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And I really had fun with that.
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And I kept beating down the door of the Food Network.
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I wanted to be on Food Network.
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I kept getting, no, no, no, we re not interested in her, we re not interested in her, we re not interested in her.
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And I d almost given up.
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And I was in LA, I thought I was gonna move to LA, I thought maybe I d try to be a screenwriter.
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I was staying at the Hotel Bel Air for a month.
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And it was like day twenty eight of my thirty days there and mark my friend was my agent at the time and he called me and said there s this new show that they re casting for food network and you d be perfect for it you need to come back here.
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and try out for it.
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And I said, Mark, they have passed on me for seven years.
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I m having a good time.
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I was dating somebody out there.
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I was going out every night.
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I was like, I m not coming back to New York.
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And he said, you get your ass on a plane and get back here right now.
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And Mark is very convincing.
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And so I said, OK, fine.
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And I got on the plane and I went back.
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And sure enough, I got the kitchen and it changed my life.
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When you re dating someone or married to someone who has so much power and so much money, it s so unique for you to be like, you know what?
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I m actually not going to even look at that.
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I m going to go create my own path.
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Was that difficult to do?
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Yes and no.
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never saw any alternative than to have my own path.
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I always wanted my own thing.
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And that was very important to me.
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And he understood that and supported
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it to a certain degree.
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I just think that I never thought any other way.
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Like I never thought I m going to sit around and not work.
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Well, I always find it interesting, like where people s and like, I try to dissect this a lot on this show, like where people s ambition comes from, especially ambition that is quote unquote, maybe not necessary.
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For example, like if you re living in the Hamptons, you have this life and it s set up and like, by all means, you could kind of like,
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sit back and rest on your laurels, but you continue to push.
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I always find that so interesting because on the reverse of that, sometimes you see people with every opportunity in the world just completely squandered and do nothing.
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Do you remember a period of time where you started to identify that drive, or do you think this was something that was always in you?
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I think it was just always there.
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I don t even know that I knew that it was drive as much as I got a kick out of working.
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Like even as a teenager working at the mall, like I enjoyed going to work.
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I enjoyed talking to people and having my own money.
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So I just always liked having a job.
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I think for me, now that I ve thought about and dissected into my childhood and I ve gone deep into my crazy psyche, and I ve realized what I ve been chasing my entire life is just that independence and wanting my thing and not having to rely or ask people for permission.
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And I even think back to my early years in schools, I was always getting in trouble and always getting kicked out.
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I just hated the idea that somebody could
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kind of like put me in a box and control me.
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And so like, for me, that is what I ve identified.
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And it sounds like maybe similar, so you just wanted your own independence and your own thing.
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Yes, you should always have your own thing.
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And I think, I don t know if it s
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goes back to childhood or what I can tie it to.
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But I ve always kind of thought at any moment the rug can be pulled out from under you, too.
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So you better have an escape plan and you you better have something that, you know, you can fall back on.
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Maybe that s why I m such a saver.
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And I started out with that little bank book right in my deposits.
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And I still feel that way, like that you need to always be prepared for a rainy day.
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You mentioned when you got to your hotel that you were staying in for a month in Bel Air that you re dating someone new.
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How did you go from that?
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Did you get a divorce, obviously, I m assuming, in the Hamptons?
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I got divorced in, let s see, that was 2009.
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And I was living out in the Hamptons.
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I was like between the city and the Hamptons at that point.
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I moved out there pretty much full time.
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I got really into surfing.
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I had a surfer boyfriend at the time.
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Like I was way into surf culture.
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And then I decided, you know, I needed something new.
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I needed what what was the next chapter?
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Like I was kind of at the point where I was not working enough.
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And I had written a book.
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I wrote a novel at that point called Groundswell.
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And I really wanted that to be a movie, which years later it did become a movie on Hallmark.
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But it took like, was that like eight years?
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But I was thinking of moving to L.A.
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and start my next chapter, that food wasn t going to work out and that I should start thinking more about screenwriting or continuing to write fiction.
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What was it like going through a public divorce like that?
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That was very trying and I don t know why I didn t think people would really care.
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And I remember being so surprised getting up in the front page of the New York Post, being in our picture and like this huge picture.
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And I remember thinking like, oh my God, I can t believe this is the cover of the paper.
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and having camera people outside my house.
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And I remember I had all the blinds pulled and I went out to the Hamptons and stayed with friends.
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And then I was driving back to the city from the Hamptons and one of my girlfriends was in London at the time and said, you should just come stay with us.
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And I was driving back to the city and there was a big billboard that said London for American Airlines.
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And I said, all right.
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And I went in the house, packed my bag and went back to JFK.
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flew to London.
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This was like one week after, and it was still in the press.
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Just to get out?
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Yeah, just to get out of New York.
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And I got to London and had actually a really great week.
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It was like I just had this escape of riding around on a double-decker bus with a headset on, being such a tourist.
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And after that, it was like everything kind of died down.
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I took a summer where I did not go out.
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I didn t even go to a restaurant to have dinner.
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I didn t do anything.
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I stayed home.
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Because if you stay home, nobody can write about you.
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If you don t want to be written about, there s a way to not be written about.
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And so I stayed home.
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I had friends over all the time, but I did not go anywhere that summer.
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And it just all died down.
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And Bill and I had the world s easiest divorce.
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We separated in June.
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We were divorced by October.
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It was not contentious.
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And then it just all kind of went away.
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A lot of people would have used that opportunity to go out.
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Do you know what I mean?
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They would have used that as leverage to become more famous and go out.
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It s interesting to me.
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It s interesting because to me, you are famous, but it s like you didn t use that as an opportunity to get there.
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Does that make sense?
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You re a bit of an enigma because it s like you re trying so hard to get on these platforms and have television, and at the same time, you re also not maybe taking the easy road to get there.
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I always wanted to be known for the right reasons.
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And to me, going out and having people write about dating and anything salacious was not of interest to me.
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And is Mark, your agent, advising you at this point or no?
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Yeah, Mark would advise me some.
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I had a really good publicist who said, if you don t want to be written about, stay home.
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And so I listened to her, and I m still friends with her, and I joke that I ve taken it too far, because now all I want to do is stay home still, and it s been over a decade later, and I m still staying home.
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Your house and those cookies, I m staying home too.
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I don t blame you.
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You know, though, I was thinking like,
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In the line of work that we do, sometimes you talk to different press, different reporters, different outlets for different reasons, and as I ve become older, I think like, listen, sometimes you can t control it, but I think fame for the sake of fame is not always a great strategy.
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Yes.
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I mean, you know this and I, and I think people that have maybe not had that or, or want to have that maybe don t look at it that way.
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Does that make sense?
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Totally.
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It s like, you don t want to just be known to be known.
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Like you, like you, I think about like, you might, it s better to be known for something that you re actually passionate or that you actually care about and that you actually want to pursue.
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For someone who s not famous and they re listening and they re wondering what it s like to be famous, what do you think is something that would surprise someone that s maybe like an ugly side?
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I mean, I don t think of myself as famous.
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I think that like I have a job where I m on TV and I don t really think of myself as being like a famous person, especially when I can compare firsthand of what it s like for someone to have real, true, iconic fame.
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And I think what people don t realize is that people are people.
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Yeah.
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And no different.
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Everybody s sitting around in their sweatpants at night, eating popcorn, watching TV, hanging out, talking about the same stuff.
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It s not like there s some alternate universe that is so much more exciting.
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Some people just have jobs that make them famous.
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I think that s a good one.
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You do sit around in your sweatpants.
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Not that you re famous, but... I wish I just sat around in my sweatpants.
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That s a much better image than how I actually sit around.
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You said you were dating someone.
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Is the person that you re dating the husband that you re married to now, Ryan?
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No.
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No, that was more of just like a fling.
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A fling.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It was like, you know, I had a couple years of dating around a lot.
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Good for you.
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Yeah.
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Date around.
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I had a lot of fun.
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I was not a great dater, I think, because I put myself out there too much in the sense that, like, I d lay my cards on the table.
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Like, if I liked somebody, I let them know that I liked them.
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So I didn t really quite know how to play the game.
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And I think part of that was because I got married so young that, like, I never learned how to play it.
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So, you know, I got ghosted from time to time.
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But then tell us about how you meet your husband.
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So I met my husband Ryan.
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I was doing a show called Beach Bites that was a travel show and I walked into the production meeting.
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Well, I briefly met him.
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He was working on another Food Network show and he came up to me and said,
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Well, I m going to be working on your show.
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Hi, I m Ryan.
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It s nice to meet you.
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And I remember thinking like, oh, he s cute.
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But I kind of forgot about it.
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And it was a couple of months later than that.
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We had our first production meeting and I walked into the meeting and thought that s going to be a problem.
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He s very you guys are both very cute.
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You re a beautiful couple.
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So thank you.
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He s beautiful.
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He is so handsome.
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Like I think he s like my Disney prince and he is the sweetest person.
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He has such a great heart.
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He s such a good dad.
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Like just like salt of the earth person, not a bad bone in his body.
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He makes a mean gin martini.
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Yeah, he does make a mean gin martini.
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When you started dating him, did you know that you wanted him to be the father of your kids eventually?
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No.
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No.
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I thought we were having fun.
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We were on a shoot for six weeks, where every couple days we were in a different exotic beach location.
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And I thought it was like being on The Bachelor with food.
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Like, we were having a great time.
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I think he thought the same thing, that it was just a fling.
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We were keeping it a secret from everybody else we were working with.
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I d be texting him, come over after.
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And so it was like this hot romance.
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It s always sexier when you re keeping it a secret.
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So we got back afterwards and I thought, I miss this guy.
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Maybe I m actually like really into him.
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And we started seeing each other more and I asked him to come out to the Hamptons with me for a weekend.
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And that was kind of what did it.
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We made roast chicken and watched movies and hung out in bathrobes and drank Aperol spritzes and wine all weekend.
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And that was solidified our relationship.
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And that was it.
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How soon after that did you get married?
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We got married, I d say we dated almost two years before we got married.
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And then at what point did you decide that you guys wanted to have kids together?
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Even before we got married, I was ready to start.
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And I thought, like, I was, like, taking my temperature, like, trying to have sex whenever I thought I was ovulating.
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And I was, like, ready for it.
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We got married and realized that it wasn t that easy.
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I thought I d be pregnant on the honeymoon and months later, still nothing happening.
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And I found out that I had these fertility issues.
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So we started IVF and did four rounds of that until we got pregnant with Iris.
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OK, four rounds of IVF is one of a lot of women have come on this podcast and talked about IVF, but four rounds is a lot of and I did it back to back to back.
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I took no breaks.
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I think for someone who doesn t understand that process, like, can you really explain what that does?
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And we talked about this a little bit off air, but like not just to your physical body, but mentally.
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Yes.
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So I actually, when I was 32, I froze my eggs thinking that that gave me an insurance policy, like so many people do.
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I think a lot of people think about that.
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Yeah, please go off on this so we can educate people.
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So I remember going in, I went to probably the most, one of the most prestigious fertility doctors, Dr. Zev Rosenwax.
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He s here in New York.
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He s a pioneer of fertility medicine.
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And I remember being 32 and going in his office and he said, tell me why you want to do this.
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And I said, well, it s like having money in the bank.
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It s like insurance.
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And he said, oh, no, do not be confused.
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This is not a sure thing just because you re doing
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this.
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And I remember kind of being like, oh, really?
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You know, I didn t quite believe what he was telling me, even though he was saying, I think he said, you ve got 30 percent chance that these eggs will be good.
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They encourage you if you want to make embryos, you have a better chance with an embryo.
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But I didn t have a person I wanted to make an embryo with and I didn t want to use from a bank at that point.
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Better chance of the embryo because you don t have to fertilize it later, right?
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Yeah, and you can test it too, so you know then you have a successful embryo.
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It s not the same, right, with the egg.
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You can t do that.
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Right, right.
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With the egg, it s a healthy egg, but you don t know if it ll fertilize, and then you don t know when it fertilizes, if it s going to be a healthy embryo, all the different steps that go along through it.
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So if you re looking at it just from an insurance policy, you d say like,
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It s not necessarily not smart to do the eggs, but it potentially is a better insurance policy to do the embryo, to have the embryo.
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I guess so.
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I don t want to give anybody advice, but that s what I have deduced from it.
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I remember I did the round of egg freezing with him.
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And he encouraged me to immediately do another round of egg freezing because I only got five eggs on that.
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And he said, this really statistically is not enough.
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And I remember I just felt so bloated and I wanted to exercise.
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And I said, I ll come back and do it another time.
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And he was like, you really should go ahead and do another round.
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And I didn t listen to him.
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And of course I never went back and did another round.
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I m not even sure if it would have mattered because now knowing that, like, I didn t really have this huge supply of healthy eggs.
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So when Ryan and I started trying, I found out I had, I think it was polyps that had to be removed.
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I think they were uterine polyps.
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I had a couple different surgeries I had to have.
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and then still didn t get pregnant.
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So then we started IVF.
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Got zero embryos the first time.
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Second time, I think we got one.
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I had a chemical pregnancy.
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Then I think the third time, we tried fertilizing my frozen eggs.
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None of those took.
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I think I had another chemical pregnancy that time.
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And then I had the fourth and final time with Iris.
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You know, I think that
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It actually got easier for me every time, which I know maybe in a way doesn t make sense because you d think it would keep feeling harder and like you were being beaten down each time.
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But it was kind of like I knew what to expect and my hopes weren t as high.
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Because that first time I just thought, well, this will be easy.
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You go in and they say, oh, you have 18 follicles.
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And I thought, 18 follicles?
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I m going to get all these eggs.
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I m going to have like a kindergarten class worth of embryos.
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And then you end up with zero.
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So it s like you go from this high point to this low, low point.
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And at that time, people weren t really talking about this publicly either.
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So it felt like something I was holding in and not being my true self and feeling like I had to go on social media and still be smiling and cooking and just didn t feel true to myself.
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I finally figured at that last time, like, listen, I m not looking for 10.
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I m not looking for five.
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I m not looking for three.
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I m looking for one good one.
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I just need my one good one.
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And I got my one good one.
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I think for someone who has never gone through IVF, what are all the things that happen?
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What exactly are you doing?
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I just would like to know for my own self, when you re in the IVF process, you say you did that four times, what exactly does one process look like?
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So every morning at about 6, 6, 15, I d have an appointment as a doctor where they would give me a scan and check to where my eggs were.
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Then they would call me around four in the afternoon and I m sorry, also blood work.
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You d get your blood taken every morning as well.
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And then it could range anywhere from I had one cycle that was eight days.
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I had one cycle that was 16 days.
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And so you re going bruises all on your arms from getting your blood drawn so much.
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And then every day around 415, they d call me and say, OK, here s your prescription for tonight with what you should be injecting yourself with.
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At the beginning, I couldn t inject myself.
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I had a nurse come over every night who is the sweetest woman ever.
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And she would come and give me my shots and I would cry.
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And then by the end of it, I was giving myself my shots and, like, didn t even think twice about it.
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How many shots?
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Usually two shots a night.
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I think sometimes there might have been three.
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It s like I was so in it and now it s like a blur.
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Like, I can hardly even remember.
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It s like it kind of just goes away.
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But then once I got pregnant, I had to start giving myself progesterone shots in my butt.
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So to help stay pregnant, to keep my hormones
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For each one of the pregnancy, even the chemical one?
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I did it on the chemical ones too.
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Yeah.
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So it s a lot of shots.
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It s a lot of shots.
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And what about your physical and mental state during this?
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Well, you can exercise, which was a real problem for me because I really, especially at that point in my life, really liked to exercise.
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While you re doing this, but when you re pregnant, you can, yeah?
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Yeah, once you re pregnant, yeah.
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But during it, you can exercise.
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You can like walk.
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But you shouldn t be doing anything rigorous.
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And at that point in my life, I was like a rigorous exerciser.
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I was doing like an hour and a half exercise every day.
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So that mentally was a real problem for me.
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I felt really bloated and I just felt like I couldn t think about anything else.
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It was like egg, egg, egg, egg, egg.
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It was like all I could think about was that and just so wound all the time.
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what does your husband do to support you going through this?
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Because the hard thing that I think about this is that the man truly has no idea and you can t expect him to have any idea.
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So it s a real mind fuck because
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You re in this with your partner, but your partner really cannot understand, but you want them to understand, but they re never going to understand.
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Yeah, it s a hard thing to connect on.
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I mean, he was so there for me, but he couldn t know exactly how I felt.
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And I also I didn t want to just have that be the only thing that I could talk about in our relationship, even though that was the only thing I was thinking about.
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Like, I still wanted to have normal conversations.
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So it was trying to, I remember like us planning dates and going out during it just to try to get my mind off things like going to a Broadway show or going to dinners just to think about something else and have something else to talk about.
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But once I would make it to the progesterone shots, he would give me those because it was a little bit more difficult to get back to my butt.
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And so he gave me all those shots.
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And I always gave myself the ones on my stomach to myself, but he would do the butt shots.
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It sounds supportive.
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Very supportive.
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So when you finally get pregnant with Iris, did you have an easy pregnancy?
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Please tell me.
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I had the easiest pregnancy.
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Yeah.
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And at the very beginning, I was so nervous to be pregnant because I thought that I was going to lose it.
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And so I was had real, real bad anxiety.
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And I had a real bad scare.
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I had gone to Miami for a food festival.
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It was like a week before I was going to tell anyone I was pregnant.
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I was so excited.
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I d made it to 11 weeks.
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And I got to my hotel room and just started bleeding like terrible.
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I was sure I was having a miscarriage.
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I went to the hospital and I was fine.
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And I called my doctor and he said, I don t want you to carry anything heavier than a water bottle.
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And Ryan flew down and met me because I had just gone with my mom.
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He flew down and then he flew back to New York with me.
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As soon as I got on the airplane again, bleeding like crazy, I was sure that I was losing this baby and I was OK.
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And then I got a terrible flu.
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It was right before covid.
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I got a terrible flu and I thought if I made it through that and made it through this flu, this baby is coming.
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And I was fine.
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And I had the easiest pregnancy.
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I think I maybe had two days of morning sickness.
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and the rest was a breeze, and I loved being pregnant.
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You loved it.
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I loved it.
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I never felt prettier.
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I never felt better in my body.
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I loved it.
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I gained, like, 55 pounds.
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I enjoyed every bite of Velveeta mac and cheese that I could.
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Yeah, that sounds good.
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I think that because you had such an appreciation of how difficult it was to get pregnant, that maybe there was, like, a gratefulness to the pregnancy.
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I think so, too.
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Because God, I wish I felt like you felt when I was pregnant.
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It was like, I know everybody has different experiences.
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and like feel differently.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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I felt like I was that fucking girl from Willy Wonka, the blueberry rolling around.
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Veruca Salt, is that her name?
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I thought Veruca Salt s the brat one.
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I don t know what her name is.
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I don t know.
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You have to Google it, Wolf.
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I don t know what her name is.
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She s the Blueberry.
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When you are having a baby and you have such a career, what was that like to balance all that?
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Were they okay with you taking time off?
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Well, I didn t take any time off.
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I never missed a single show because it was COVID and we were filming from home.
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Oh, that s nice.
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So I got to have all my time with my baby and simultaneously be working.
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And my production company that does the kitchen, it s a lot of women who work there.
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They were so supportive.
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We were doing everything on Zoom and I would have Iris in the little baby Bjorn chair sitting there and
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be filming my food segments with them on the Zoom and Ryan was filming me.
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He s a producer, so he was able to film everything and do my sound and my lights.
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And so I had a really unique experience that I know if I had had her in regular times, I probably would have missed three or four months of my show.
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Wow.
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So it like all fell into place.
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It really did.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it was the best of times in the worst of times.
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So I was in a way felt guilty that we were having like such an incredible time when so many people were hurting so bad.
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You re the second person that said the best of times and worst of times on the show this week.
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And I was like, I don t know why.
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It s like weird when that stuff happens.
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Don t you think?
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Synergistic.
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Because like nobody ever says it and then they said it.
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Okay.
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We re going to talk to all the people who don t know what the fuck they re doing in the kitchen.
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AKA me.
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Talk to yourself.
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You are incredibly talented in the kitchen.
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And, but I told, I ve told you this like five times since I ve seen you, but you do make it like,
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easy to digest.
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I don t feel overwhelmed.
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I also feel like sometimes people in certain careers overcomplicate things and make you almost feel like there s a superiority in it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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And it s like, it s, it makes it intimidating.
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It s almost like mean girl-ish.
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Fashion maybe too.
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Like there s like a, there s like a energy.
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And sometimes I think
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you know, with certain chefs, there s that energy.
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But with you, it feels like it feels like I can do it.
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Well, I appreciate that.
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That s what I want.
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I want people to feel empowered to take my recipes and feel like I can do this.
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I can make this and I can enjoy it.
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And it shouldn t be something that is like a.
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intimidating and that you get in the kitchen and you don t have a good time.
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You should be having fun doing it.
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So I want people to feel like they can take one of these recipes.
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There s not a lot of ingredients.
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There s not a lot of steps.
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Hey, I can make this.
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And guess what?
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If you completely fuck it up, you can get on Postmates or Seamless or whatever and order dinner.
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So what s a 101, someone who s never been in the kitchen, cooking kit situation?
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Where should people start?
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The basics.
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I think that when you find a recipe you want to make, read it start to finish first so that you know where you re going.
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That s the first step that I didn t do.
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Keep going.
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Otherwise you re just walking blind into it.
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It could say like that it needs to refrigerate for two hours.
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Then you re hoping to have it on the table in 20 minutes.
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So you got to read it, set out all your ingredients first, make it like you re doing a cooking show.
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If it says chop the onions, have them in a little bowl, chopped up, have everything set up for yourself so that then it s just a matter of assembling it.
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So I think that it s just kind of being prepared like in anything in life.
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You re that Lauren prepared.
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Sorry, we were pouring Katie s wine, her rosé.
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Okay, so if someone wants to start with one recipe that they can make at home, this is for myself, for their kids and their husband, what is something that is easy, streamlined, quick, efficient to make?
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I think chicken breasts are a really good place to start.
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They re easy to dry out, but it s also one of those things that everybody wants to make.
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And everybody, for the most part, likes having a piece of chicken.
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I think sheet pan suppers are a great way to go.
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What is a sheet pan supper?
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I don t know what that means.
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A sheet pan supper is where you put everything on one baking sheet and bake it.
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You just put it in the oven and then it comes out the way you did it.
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So get your chicken breasts, season them with whatever seasonings you like, cut up some sweet potato cubes, some broccoli, put those all on the pan together, put it in the oven at like 400 degrees for about 25, 35 minutes, and you ve got dinner ready.
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I also think that salmon is one of the most forgiving, easy things to make.
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It might sound like it s challenging.
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I think fish can be intimidating.
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But again, salmon in the oven is super simple and you re gonna have dinner ready really quickly.
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When you say sheet pan, do you have to use aluminum foil or can you use one of those like French mats that I use for cookies?
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I really like not just having parchment paper.
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Okay, I get the parchment paper That s what I always line my sheet pan with and then I can just throw it away and there s hardly any cleanup
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How do you know how long to cook it and how many degrees?
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Well, you can Google it.
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Yeah, but if you what I m saying for your own chicken and your own.
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For me, I cook just about everything at like 400, 425.
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If you re making it seem too easy, there s something like.
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I promise you it is easy.
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Like, don t get in your head on it.
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It s easy.
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Okay.
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And you can kind of look at it and know.
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Don t go too easy on the seasoning though, Lauren.
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Okay.
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You need to get some seasoning on there.
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That s very, very important.
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You got to have a good amount of salt too.
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People don t salt their food enough.
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And that s like the number one thing.
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Like when we re, whenever we re judging a challenge show, what always trips people up is like, they forget to put enough salt.
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Why don t you do like a layman s, like a new person who doesn t know what they re doing cooking show.
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Like cooking 101.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And have like people like me come on that don t know what they re doing.
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And it could be a cooking show with just like random people.
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It s a good idea.
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Like I like those simple basic recipes.
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That s what I m into.
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My last cookbook was called It s Not Complicated because that s what I don t want complicated recipes.
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I don t want complicated food.
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You know where the first place I saw you in?
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What do you think I m going to say?
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Instagram?
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People Magazine.
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Oh, really?
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Way back in the day.
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I m talking like 13 years ago.
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Is that track?
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Yeah.
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I mean, that s the first time I saw you.
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It wasn t the Internet.
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It was in People Magazine.
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Work for what reason?
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I think she was making a recipe.
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Did you used to make recipes in People Magazine or am I crazy?
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I mean, I ve done several things with them over the years, so I m sure there was a recipe in there probably that you saw.
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Maybe us weekly.
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Okay, that could be it too.
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Okay.
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And I saw and I thought, wow, I think I could do this.
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I never tried.
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What are some essentials that people need to have in their kitchen?
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You and I talked off air about crop top or crop.
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A crop top or an instapot.
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What are some other things?
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I mean, I love a slow cooker.
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I think that you need a good nonstick skillet that is a non-toxic nonstick skillet.
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You need a heavy bottom, big pan that like you could put pasta in and toss.
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You need a pasta pot.
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I love a Le Creuset Dutch oven.
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I think those are great.
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What is that?
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That s like, you know, those really pretty ceramic pots with the lids and you can make like a pot roast in there or you can make a pot of chili.
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You can braise meat for a long time.
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I love braised meat.
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I m very into that.
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What is braised meat?
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Like braised short ribs or pot roast.
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Last night, what did we have?
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Last night we had prime rib.
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Was that braised?
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No, so that was roasted.
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You see the trouble I m in here?
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You see the trouble I m in here?
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But she s interested.
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I am interested.
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Yeah.
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And she got a crockpot.
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I m telling you, you re going to think she s a domestic goddess.
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We had a crockpot, but it wasn t to the aesthetic that she preferred.
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And so that s what I told you last night.
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Some of them are unattractive.
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I come home all the time.
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I need a non-toxic one.
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Like you said, it wasn t non-toxic.
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I m not going to cook for my family and slave over the stove and have it not be a non-toxic meal.
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Let me tell you something.
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I buy these things because I will take these things into my own hands, right?
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then I ll show up at some of our relatives house or like I ll
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some of her siblings and is like, there s my shirt, there s my crockpot, there s my thing, but I ll have no idea how they got it.
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I was like, oh, you bought the same one.
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And I go and I realize she just gives my stuff away.
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I do the same thing, Lauren.
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I give stuff away.
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I just don t want all this crap in my house.
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I honestly, this is really weird.
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I look at your brother and I m like, damn, he looks pretty good.
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I m like, that s mine.
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It s energetically freeing.
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Yes.
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To give it away because one, I feel like it s being, people are using it.
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And two, it s minimalizing the space.
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Yeah, don t junk it up with all this stuff.
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One thing that I wish always existed, you guys, is Drizzly.
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The Drizzly app or Drizzly.com is truly amazing, OK?
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It is the go-to app for drink delivery.
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This is amazing during the holidays.
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You must be 21 plus, it s not available in all locations, but if you want to order maybe some Don Julio Reposado for your margarita, or some Kettle One for your Cranberry Topo Chico, or maybe some Bullet Bourbon for your Old Fashioned, they have you covered.
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You literally go on your app.
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You get a drink delivery sent straight to your home.
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So my mother-in-law is coming into town tomorrow, and she likes a very specific dry, crisp champagne.
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I went on Drizzly, and I ordered four bottles for her.
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So it s like stocked in the fridge, all cute.
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And after I ordered it, about half an hour later, it came straight to my door, and I m ready to go.
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It looks like I have my shit together.
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You know what I mean?
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This is the go-to app for alcohol delivery.
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Download the Drizzly app or go to drizzly.com.
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I personally am such a fan of being able to save time, especially when it comes to my alcohol delivery.
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So if I want to get some tequila for my margarita or I want to get some champagne for my mother-in-law, Drizzly has me covered.
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Download the Drizly app or go to drizly.com.
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That s D-R-I-Z-L-Y dot com.
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Download the Drizly app or go to drizly.com.
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That s D-R-I-Z-L-Y dot com.
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Today, I am very excited because I can actually show you how I used the Curl Secret by Conair on my hair.
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So this is what it looks like when I touched up my hair in the morning.
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And if you are listening and you can t see, this is on YouTube, but this is the Curl Secret Infinite Pro by Conair.
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But what I like most about it is I am not a fan of doing my hair in general.
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I need something quick, but I don t want something that gives me like these huge barrel pageant curls.
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And this curling iron just gives you like a very effortless, seamless curl.
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It s not even really even curled.
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It s just like a wave.
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And that s what I like about this specific auto curler.
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The best part about it for me is it s tangle-free.
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I m not a fan of really hot tools because I don t want to destroy my hair, and I really like the fact that there s so many different temperatures.
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OK, so what are the essentials that people need?
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OK, you need a good chef s knife, a sharp one.
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You need a paring knife and a bread knife.
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That s it.
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You don t need a whole big knife set.
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Things that you should always have around to make your food taste good, of course, herbs and spices, lemon.
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garlic.
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I always have a bunch of different pastas, grains, canned beans, canned tomatoes, and you can throw together a pretty quick dinner.
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I love to do quick pastas.
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I want to make a pasta where the sauce is done and the amount of time it took for the pasta to cook.
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And do you use store-bought sauce or do you make your own?
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Well, sometimes I use store-bought.
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I mean, I have no problem with that.
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My daughter loves a jar of Rayo s, you know, so if I m in a hurry, I ll have that.
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But I usually will make our own, like whether it s taking a head of broccoli and chopping it up real fine and sautéing it with some garlic and olive oil and tossing that with pasta water and Parmesan cheese.
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That sounds like I could do that.
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You could totally do that.
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It s done in like 12 minutes.
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It s so fast.
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You could get a little more into cooking, too.
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Yeah, I mean, like, listen, I think like, I think Lauren believes that this is, I mean, listen, obviously there s levels to this stuff and, you know, people take all sorts of creative approaches to culinary experiences, right?
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But I think like some of the basic stuff are pretty basic.
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It is.
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It is.
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It s pretty basic, but there s something about it that intimidates people.
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And so it s kind of taking away that layer of intimidation and telling yourself, look at everything you do in your life.
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You have got it.
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So together you are able to do so many different things and juggle all these different things going on in your life.
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You can definitely cook.
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I ll tell you what s in.
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If you want to.
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You don t have to either.
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This is the therapy session conversation.
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This is what s intimidating.
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Michael is the type of person that I could make something and he will give a critique.
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No, let me finish.
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You can t do that.
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Okay.
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So, so you also do this with gifts.
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So if I get like, if there s like a critique, he gives it, which it s like, I don t want to invest my time and my energy into something where he s going to be like, that was an eight out of 10.
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Well, you asked for my feedback.
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Right.
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So, so, so, so if I m going to take my time, which I really value time and put it towards doing something and then have him critique it and then he eats a bite and then I have to do all the dishes.
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It just feels like you ve never had to do all the dishes.
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What are you talking about?
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If it were having dinner, let s be honest here.
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I think what it is for me is it s not that the recipe feels overwhelming as much as it is.
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It feels overwhelming to me to take my time and energy, put it into a dish, have him rate it
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a 7.5, then have him have two bites and then have my kids have two bites, which you know sometimes that happens.
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And it s like, I just wasted, I m not going to say wasted, I just invested 45 minutes of time and now I have to clean up and you think it s a 7 out of 5.
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Listen, I have nights that I feel the exact same way as that.
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She s working through a lot of childhood trauma here where she needs her dad.
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I love you, Brad.
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Lauren could cook a piece of uncooked turkey and give you food poisoning for a week and her dad will tell her that it s the greatest thing that he s ever had in his life.
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And I think that my approach to her is sometimes saying like, hey, the last time you made me that turkey dish, I was shitting my brains out for a month and we need to maybe cook it a little bit more.
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And she will take that as like... I gave him food poisoning.
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Oh, no.
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So she will take that as like, you re such an asshole.
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And like, why would you ever say?
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And I m like, well, we have to have a middle ground here where I can provide some feedback to say next time I don t need to go to the hospital.
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You know what I mean?
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Sometimes I ll be recipe testing and I ll have Ryan taste it and he ll tell me what he doesn t think is right with the dish and I ll be pissed at him.
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Even though I was asking for his opinion and asking him about a new recipe, what s it taste like?
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And he ll go, you know, I really think that you could have added more X, Y, Z. And I m like,
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Yeah, you re like, you don t you don t taste buds.
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Yeah, you idiot.
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She does make an absolutely incredible sandwich.
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Say it, say it.
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I was gonna ask you to say it.
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What s on the sandwich?
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I don t know.
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I mean, there s a lot of stuff on it, but whatever she does.
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I ve perfected the sandwich.
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Yeah, she kills the sandwich game.
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Tell me about it.
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Is it Katie Lee?
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This is the trick to the sand knows the proper condiment Portions you have to take a piece of toast and lightly toast it Then you put a little bit of mayonnaise not too much because he doesn t like white cream So just a little bit of mayonnaise.
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No, that s not true a little bit of I just don t like it too much You don t like the consistency
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Then you take the cheese and put it on the mayonnaise and the mustard, but you broil it.
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Oh, OK.
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But you only broil it for 30 seconds.
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So the cheese gets melty.
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Then you take it out and then you cover the cheese and pepperosinis.
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Pepperosinis are the trick to a good sandwich.
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Is that how you say it?
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No, probably not.
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Pepperoncini, but that s all right.
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I know what you re talking about.
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Here comes another negative pronunciation review.
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You have to chop the pepperoncinis up because you want to get the little seeds because it s good.
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It s like kind of spicy.
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Then you put the meat on.
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Then you put a little bit more mayo and mustard and then you put the lettuce.
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Thinly, thinly sliced tomato because you don t want it like wet.
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And then you put a little bit of a sprinkle of salt, maybe a raw red onion on top.
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And if you want, you could put a little bit of red pickled onions and you cut it in half and you do a diet Coke.
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And I m starving.
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I m telling you, it sounds delicious.
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I make a sandwich like I give a blowjob.
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It s a very specific formula that I don t have a lot of critiques for the blowjob.
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So I m going to sandwich in a blowjob.
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You must be a really happy man.
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I mean, listen, this is why I don t, I, you know, I pick and choose my battles.
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I m like, I m not gonna critique the turkey so much if I am gonna lose the sandwich and the blowjob.
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As a man, I would rather have those two things than maybe the pot roast.
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You could also put some salami on top of it and a piece of prosciutto to give it like, I m down here for that.
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To me, that s a more complicated, harder thing.
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Like I feel like some of the things- I might win on your show if you did something like- I mean, if there was a sandwich competition, I think you d have it.
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She s got it.
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And the pickled onions, the pepperoncinis, like having that pickle moment, I think makes it.
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And the sprinkle of salt.
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The sprinkle of salt.
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The pepperoncinis.
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But like what I ll say, like I like to give the feedback.
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Those are so underrated.
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I think people should use those on so many different things.
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So good.
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Yeah, that s the best.
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If she s drank too much one night and she wants to give me a blowjob, I m like, hey, that one was a little toothy, like that s, you know.
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You don t give me that much feedback on that though.
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I have to give the, no, no, normally it s good, but I need to give that feedback.
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Yeah, but I get a 10 out of 10.
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Okay.
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Anyways, I think that the process of cooking is, I think the thing is maybe over time you get better and better at refining the dishes.
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And so I think she sometimes I m like, Hey, that could use a little more salt.
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I m not saying it to critique.
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I m saying like, I would prefer that.
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Yeah.
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We know what you re saying.
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We don t want to hear your opinion though.
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Yeah.
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It s like when somebody s made you a meal and they have something negative, the person has something negative to say back.
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Katie Lee just said it live.
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I was fighting for my fucking life the last time she made a meal.
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No one cares.
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I barely made it.
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Okay.
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I want to talk about now, currently, what you re working on, what you re doing.
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So tell us about, first, let s start with the show because I feel like that s the foundation of what you do.
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So the kitchen started in 2013.
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I can t believe it ll be 10 years in December.
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A lot of practice on TV.
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it feels like just so easy and second nature now.
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When I used to go on at the beginning and I d feel nervous and butterflies.
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Now it s just like nothing.
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You don t even think about it.
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I don t even think about it.
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Well, same like if I m doing a cooking segment, it just feels so natural and and just what I m supposed to be doing.
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Kitchen, where I think around 500 episodes at this point, my co-hosts have become like family members.
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We have a group chat and I know what their kids are doing.
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I know where they re going on vacation.
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It s like we just are always in communication.
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It s really great to have that community feeling.
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And I feel that way about the people behind the cameras, too.
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I love my producers.
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And that s been like the greatest
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catalyst for my career.
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I mean, it changed my life.
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I wouldn t have met Ryan if I hadn t done the kitchen because I wouldn t have gotten beach bites.
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I wouldn t have Iris without the kitchen.
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I wouldn t have my career.
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It s really been an incredible blessing.
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And what about your wine?
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OK, so this wine is so good.
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I had the opportunity last night to try the red and now we re drinking the rose.
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Tell us about why you created this.
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And like you, I feel like you really paid attention to the details when creating this.
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So the wine is called Kinda Wild and it s organic, zero sugar.
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It s free from any harmful additives or preservatives.
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And really, this was important to me because I have been eating organic food, using organic cleaning products.
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All these things in my life were organic except wine.
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And it was not something that I really thought about even.
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And the more I started learning about it, learning about the preservatives, the additives, all of the chemicals that can be in a bottle of wine, I thought, I don t really feel good about drinking this, but I love wine.
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I can t give it up.
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I love it.
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It s like food and wine go hand in hand.
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So I really wanted to do an organic wine and then I wanted zero sugar because I mean, I m a health conscious person.
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I like fitting in my jeans and I like not having as bad of a hangover the next day because without having that spike of sugar, the same with not having the additives or preservatives, you re not going to get that same hangover that you would from conventional wine.
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You know, it s funny, obviously we were drinking your wine last night at your house and your dinner, and I didn t realize, I knew it was your wine, but I didn t realize it was organic and had all these characteristics.
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I didn t feel hungover this morning.
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Today, we were there like midnight, right?
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Yeah, we had like a five-hour dinner.
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Sorry.
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I loved it!
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I loved it!
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Oh my God, it was so fun!
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Um, but you know, like we ve done three of these today and have been on fire.
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I actually feel amazing.
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Well, you know, it s, it s not required by law to have your ingredients on a wine label, but we put them on there so you can look on the back and see that there are like
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Or ingredients.
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That s super cool.
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That s the only wine I ve ever seen with ingredients on the back of a label.
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Yeah, it s not required.
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And it s a vegan wine as well, which when I first started this, I thought vegan isn t all wine vegan.
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But a lot of times in the filtering process, there are animal products that are added.
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Wine can be filtered through like fish guts.
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So having a vegan wine, you re just taking out that other component.
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I would be crazy not to ask you before you leave what your health, wellness and beauty tips are.
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One, because you re beautiful, but two, also you re around all this food and you look so amazing.
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What are these like non-negotiable sort of like standards, daily habits that you do every day?
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Well, first of all, thank you.
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That has changed a lot for me.
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Before I had a child, I worked out every day about an hour and a half a day.
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That s what you said.
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That s crazy.
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I was real into Tracy Anderson.
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I did that workout like hardcore and I loved it.
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She s really built a brand.
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A lot of people say Tracy Anderson.
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Yeah, I was in great shape.
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I was like a size zero, size two, like an eating whatever I wanted and just very, very strong.
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After having a baby, it was like, I just didn t really have time for that anymore.
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And when, well really when I started IVF and all that, it was like it kind of started dwindling off for me.
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And sometimes I wonder like if I just stressed my body so much.
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Anywho, I m going on a tangent.
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So after having a child, I just don t have that kind of time to devote to exercise.
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So now I do about 30 minutes.
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I love to power walk.
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She used to let me power walk with her in the stroller.
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That doesn t happen as much anymore.
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And then I like to do an Obey.
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I get online and I really like working out at home.
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That was something I started in pandemic and have just kept up with it because I like having it on my own schedule and my own terms.
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You re welcome, Mark.
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Keep going.
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Yeah, right.
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I m just being able to exercise when I want.
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I ve started now twice a week going to a trainer to lift heavy weights, which I never, I was scared to death of heavy weights.
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I thought that I was going to be bulky and I was just thought, no, no, no, never lifted more than three pounds.
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Now I m lifting really heavy weights and I feel like I ve gotten
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tighter and firmer and just so much stronger.
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I don t have muscle aches and pains, joint pain the way that I used to.
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I just feel overall healthier.
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Which class do you like on Obey?
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Like if someone wants to go download Obey, which is the class that the Katie Lee class?
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I usually do the strength classes because I want to lift weights or yoga.
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And like you said, you could do it out of your house.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I know we ve like, we ve like beat the dead horse with the weightlifting conversation on this show, but I just, like Lauren started weightlifting.
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I think
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as we age.
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A lot of people don t realize this until maybe they get into their mid-30s or after they have children.
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Luckily, that was just the form of working out that I found at a young age that I like.
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But you re also a man.
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No, no, no.
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Sure.
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But I think people just don t realize structurally and from a posture perspective and just from an overall aesthetic, I think it is
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honestly the best anti-aging thing you can do for your entire body.
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This is so weird, but I feel like it tightens my skin to my body.
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I get that.
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There s something about the way the muscle looks against the skin when you lift heavy.
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It s like a collagen or I don t know, it s something.
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There s something that the skin does.
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And don t you think it s like such a confidence booster too?
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Like I ll look at a weight and think there s no way I can do that.
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And then after I finished the 10 reps of it, I m like, yeah, I m so strong.
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Like there s serotonin.
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It s interesting to watch her do it because that s how, when I was a kid,
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Little kid.
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I think that was one of the first confidence boosting things that I did was like, oh, I can like lift a heavy weight or I can do some pushups.
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I think a lot of young men find that early.
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And I watched her be like, oh, did you see how much I lifted there?
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And I said, and I think a lot of women are discovering like that for me, that, that was the, that was the thing where I started to identify and find my confidence when I was a young man.
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I gained 60 pounds with my pregnancy too, and that s a big part of how I lost it is weightlifting.
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Yeah, because you burn so many calories.
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I also started Weight Watchers after I had Iris, and that was a big help for me as well.
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And I ve done that since and started working with them as a spokesperson.
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So I really believe in that program.
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And the other thing that I always do, my grandma always said, eat only fruit before noon.
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And so that s what I do for the most part.
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I have a big bowl of fruit every morning.
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And it s kind of like feels like you re giving your digestion a break and almost like intermittent fasting.
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But you re eating because fruit so easily digested.
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I feel like then I got all my antioxidants and I got a bunch of vitamins in and I can go about my day and eat what I m going to eat the rest of the day.
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What about any beauty wellness things that you do?
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I don t do a lot of different things.
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Like I ll get facials from time to time.
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I m like you, I know you love face massage.
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I love face massage.
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And I have started going in to like a nail salon and instead of being like, can I get a 10 minute back rub?
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I was like, can I have a 10 minute face massage?
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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That s such a good tip at the spot.
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Even.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I asked for a face massage.
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I ve brought my own lotion before, and I just feel like that makes a huge difference.
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There s so much tension in your face.
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I it blows my fucking mind how many people work so hard on their body and they work out their body and they think that they don t have to work out their face.
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I, like I, it s literally one of the most anti-aging things that you can do.
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And I ve become obsessed with your ice roller.
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You gave me that and I use it like when I go to the studio, I take it in the car with me and I sit in the car and it s almost like meditative on the way there.
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I m just rolling my face and feeling like that s like my moment and my time of peace.
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Well, I brought you a body sculptor.
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You can take it you could take the body sculptor to the nail salon with your own oil and just tell him to get in there I m like finger bang me.
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I don t even care.
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Whatever they do There is a great, you know after this show you re starting to say some questionable things and I m starting to wonder what the fuck is going on
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How do we all feel?
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Tired.
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I love a massage.
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I just want to be touched, basically.
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I go to the foot spa and I m like, can I have 90 minutes with someone on each foot?
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If a finger slips in, what are you going to do?
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I think we had a point in our relationship, too.
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We re like, honestly, same for me.
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I m laying off something.
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Something happens.
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It s like, I m not inviting it, but I m also like, I don t know.
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I m a little tired.
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It s like, I don t even know if I have the energy to tell somebody no.
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We had this comedian come on our podcast, Laura Clary, and she said she was at a foot spa, and they gave her a happy ending.
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And she orgasmed.
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And then she said, I said, oh, how was it?
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She was like, it was great.
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She s like, it was so great, I came back two days later and did it again.
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Nobody has even attempted with me.
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Hey, I got a funny story that we got to get you out of here is.
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Yeah, you got to be careful of this one.
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You might have to tell you out there.
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I have.
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No, I m just going to say, OK, fuck it.
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OK, I have friends.
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They re two twin brothers.
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OK.
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And they were one of them went to get a massage one day.
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And as he s getting the massage, it s starting to end and lo and behold, like all of a sudden he feels a hand on his, you know, his area.
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He s like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell is going on?
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He stops and again, like she goes back and was like, what s going on?
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And he looks and he goes, hey, you like this every time.
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And he s like, what are you talking about?
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What the hell are you talking about?
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This is my first time here.
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Twin brother was going in all the time.
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And she was confused because she thought it was the same person.
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Did he give as good of a tip as his brother?
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I don t know.
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He just told me, I think it was like, what s the name of the place?
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And Katie, where can everyone find you?
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Pimp yourself out.
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Where can they buy your wine?
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Where can they support what you re doing?
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What s next for you?
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Tell us all the things.
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You can find my wine at kindofwildwines.com and we re going to be expanding into more retailers at the first of the year.
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You can follow me at katieleebeagle on Instagram, on TikTok.
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I feel like I m just learning TikTok.
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I m so behind the eight ball on that, but Instagram, I m always on there posting reels and recipes and the kitchen is on every Saturday on Food Network.
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All you have to do on TikTok is make those miso chocolate chip cookies, and it ll blow up.
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I swear people would just love to hear your two-minute tips like that.
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That s a hack.
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Just the quick and easy.
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Yeah, you have to send me that recipe.
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I will.
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I feel like for what you do, you would kill it on TikTok.
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I don t go on TikTok, so I don t know if you already are killing it.
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I m not killing it at all by any stretch of the imagination.
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It s like I can t even remember to get on there and post something.
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There s just so many things that
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You got to do with because there s a reason to go and see what you re doing there.
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Like I would, I would honestly, I m not a big ticker.
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I d follow you on TikTok.
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You know what I want to make for you guys?
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This is off topic, but now that I know you like the miso chocolate chip cookies, I ve got these other cookies that Ryan is obsessed with.
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He named them do
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or Scootles just to make fun of me and my West Virginia names for things.
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It s Ritz crackers with a lot of peanut butter.
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You make like a Ritz cracker, peanut butter sandwich, and then you dip it in melted chocolate and let it harden.
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So it s like a chocolate peanut butter, salty cookie cracker.
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I m coming back over to that.
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Go make those on TikTok, you ll go viral.
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Yeah, I think that that s what I m going to have to do.
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See, that s what I m saying.
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I think that s a TikTok right there.
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That s a one minute.
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It s quick and easy.
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Those are my go-to Christmas cookies.
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I m going to go on TikTok and I m going to teach how to make the best sandwich and give the best blowjob.
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And those are my hacks of the day.
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I kind of want the blowjob tips.
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The blowjob tip.
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Okay, there s a couple of tips just before we go.
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The first tip is you got to do the coin.
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The coin is like is like the finger to the finger.
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It s a Lisa Rinna tip.
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I learned it in her book when I was, I think, 12 years old.
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It s the coin.
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But you got to tighten the coin.
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The second tip is and I learned this from gay men.
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When you when you give a blowjob, you have to give a blowjob like a man.
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So I think what girls, no, this is true.
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You don t, I know complaints from you, peanut gallery.
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You have to give it like a man.
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And here s what she s saying.
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They understand the equipment.
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Yes.
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They understand the equipment, but they re also aggressive.
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Whereas like a woman, like you re delicate and you re soft.
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No timid blowjob.
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Then obviously we got to be careful of teeth, but you don t want to forget about the taint.
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Well, it s like, she s a bitch, a bitch is right.
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You don t want to forget about the balls.
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You got to spend a lot of time in the balls.
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And you don t want to forget about like the sensitive parts.
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And you have to really be multitasking.
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It s a twist of the hand, a flick of the wrist.
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It s the hanging on the balls.
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To wrap this up, it s why I ve never complained about the cooking.
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Ryan s going to be thrilled when I go home this evening.
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Give it, give a blowjob like a gay man.
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He ll love it.
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Best advice I ever got from a woman who d been married like 50 years.
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I said, what can you tell me?
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And she said, you got to do two things to keep a man happy.
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You got to feed him and you got to fuck him.
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And that s it.
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I was saying that we were just saying again on another show that like, we re kind of just big, dumb animals.
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We don t really, you know, but you know, we ve, we ve also had people on the show.
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Are you covering your boner with your knee?
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Yeah, now we got it.
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Listen, I can t tell if I m hungry or horny after this show.
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But no, I mean, we re pretty simple, I think.
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On that note, everyone go follow at Katie Lee.
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At Katie Lee Beagle.
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At Katie Lee Beagle on TikTok and Instagram.
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And hopefully we can get your hacks on TikTok, too, because I want those miso cookies.
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Thank you for coming on.
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Thank you, Katie.
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Cheers.
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Thank you guys so much for having me.
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This was so fun.