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 products we're creating.
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And it's not just about profit and shareholder value, which I thought was a big step forward.
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So I think we're seeing more movements towards conscious capitalism, but there's definitely entrenched companies that just don't want to change.
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And they're not, they're not going to do it voluntarily.
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So there has to be sort of a parallel system that grows up that shows that this can happen.
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And I think we're doing it and I want it to happen faster, but I think it's, I think it's happening.
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 Yeah, and how much of it is also, and I know you know the answer to this, but it's how much of it also is our addiction and the habits because of the way those products have been created.
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So we also find it hard to let go of them.
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So I'll give you a personal example.
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You know, I grew up eating all sugar products a day.
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 when I was young.
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Sorry, four chocolate products a day.
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I would eat a chocolate biscuit, a chocolate bar, a chocolate ice cream, and a chocolate yogurt nearly every single day of my life.
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I was overweight as a child.
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 I struggled with it, whether it was bullying or whether it was just feeling unhealthy.
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And as I grew older, I started to realize that I was addicted to sugar, especially in chocolate, and I got so used to having it.
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And it took me to who I've talked to you about before, meaning my wife, who was able to find me alternatives, because that's what I said to my wife.
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I was like, I need an alternative if I'm gonna have to shake this habit.
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And so I ended up finding things sweetened with monk fruit and other things, which have been amazing.
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 That's good for you.
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Monk fruit, right?
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I know.
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How ironic.
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I do not own the brand or have any affiliation with it whatsoever.
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But the intriguing thing to me about that is that there are alternatives that exist, but I want to share this for the audience.
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It's like, I get what it feels like to be...
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 addicted to a food that may not be good for you.
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Tell us about how much we're addicted to these foods.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is a real problem, Jay.
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And I think most people don't realize it.
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And they internalize the feelings they have about what they eat and blame themselves.
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Oh, why can't I stop eating this?
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Oh, I'm gaining weight.
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I just can't stop myself.
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And they think it's their fault that they're overweight or that they're sick.
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And that is just a bunch of nonsense, scientific nonsense.
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Because
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 When you look at the science of these foods, these ultra-processed pulverized foods that are high in starch and sugar, they're really designed to hijack our brain chemistry, our hormones, and our metabolism in a very specific way.
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And these companies have organizations called taste institutes.
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 where they hire craving experts in the science of craving, and they design their products in a specific way to create the bliss point of the food.
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What is that perfect crunch, taste, sugar, whatever it is, salt, that's gonna make you go boom, and have this pleasure sensation.
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And it's about dopamine, it's like heroin or cocaine, and it works in the same area of the brain.
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 And it's not just a theory.
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They know this.
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Of course, they deny it.
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Although, one of the top executives from one of the big soda companies said to me, Mark, you want to come to our lab and see what we've done?
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We've actually been able to extract the taste buds from humans, and we grow them in a culture in the lab.
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And then we can stimulate them and see what's happening.
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I'm like, you do not want me to go in there, because I'll put this all over social media.
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And it's a very scary thing.
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And so the science has shown, for example,
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 If you take a group of overweight guys, and one day you give them a milkshake that's a regular milkshake, and the next day you give them a trick milkshake, which is exactly the same except for the way in which the sugar is absorbed.
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So there's starch, and there's the same carbohydrate, the same protein, the same fat, the same fiber, the same calories.
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So exactly the same, and they taste the same.
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So they don't know what they're drinking.
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When they found that when they had the one that had the sugar that was absorbed quickly,
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 compared to the one that's absorbed slowly, it created this pattern in their brain that lit up the same area called the nucleus accumbens as heroin or cocaine.
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And you can see it on a functional MRI.
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So this is not just a theory that, oh, it's maybe addictive.
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It's not really a true addiction.
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It actually is.
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And when they looked at their other biomarkers, their blood levels of insulin, sugar, adrenaline, cortisol, stress hormones, you literally eat sugar, your stress hormones go up.
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So you can be meditating all day, but if you're eating sugar all day, you're in trouble.
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 And I think we don't understand how powerful these foods are and how they hijack our biology.
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But within a very short time, literally just 10 days or less, you literally can reset your biology, reset your brain chemistry, reset your hormones and your taste buds and get out of it.
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I remember I ran this course once in Kripalu, which is a yoga center near me.
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 Yeah, and it was sort of a sugar detox.
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And this woman came in, she's like, there's no way I can do this.
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I've been addicted to sugar my whole time, my whole life.
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I'm never going to be able to get off this.
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I said, just do exactly what I'm saying and just try to do this and eat in a way that's going to reset your biology, because food is medicine.
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And she's like, OK, I'll try it.
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Day two, she's like, I can't believe it.
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I don't have any more cravings.
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I don't want it.
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I don't need it.
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It's like my whole biology has changed.
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So I think people can be very empowered by making those kinds of changes.
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 And does it, just to dive into that slightly, tiny bit more, should that change for people be extreme or is it incremental?
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So it's like, let's say someone's listening and they are consuming too much sugar or they're having too many sodas or whatever.
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Is it like they should go the next day with no sodas?
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What's that, almost that 10-day program?
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Yeah, so do you have like one ounce less of soda a day or 12 sodas is 11, okay.
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 I think as a doctor, I want people to be able to have the experience of health.
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It's like an awakening.
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I want them to actually quickly be able to experience that.
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So I usually can convince people to do a dramatic change for a short time, like a week or 10 days.
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And then their bodies tell them.
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 how they feel.
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They go, oh my God, my migraines are gone.
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My digestion's better.
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I'm sleeping better.
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My sinus drip is gone.
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You know, my skin's clearing up.
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My acne's gone.
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I feel better.
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I don't have cravings.
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My energy's good.
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And they go, well, wow, I'm getting the connection between what I eat and how I feel.
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 And so I always love to give people that experience.
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And I created a program called the 10 Day Reset.
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And it's essentially giving them that opportunity.
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And you can download it free at getpharmacy.com.
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It's just a simple way of eating in a specific time frame, in a specific way, that's going to really regulate your biology.
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Because every bite of food you take
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 regulates your entire biology.
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It changes your gene expression.
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It changes your hormones, your brain chemistry, your immune system, your microbiome, everything, literally with every bite.
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And when you understand that, you can upgrade or downgrade your biology literally with every bite.
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Your biological software can change.
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You can really see rapid changes.
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And we've seen incredible things from people getting off insulin in three days, for example.
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 So it's really powerful and people make the choice to try this.
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And I think, you know, tiny steps and tiny habit changes are good.
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And Vijay Fogg talks about this for some things, but I think if you really want to see the power of this, you know, a short term dramatic change can give you enormous benefit.
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 I'm completely with you on that.
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I think that when you experience something immersively in an extreme way, you're more likely to quickly feel the benefits of it and to recognize it's powerful.
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Now that may mean you may go back to your old habit quicker, but you now know what you're trying to move towards as opposed to not having a tangible experience.
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So I'm perfectly with you.
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I wanted to check that with an expert.
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 And that definitely, I can totally relate to that.
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Tell me about, you talk a lot about in the book, and what I'm really trying to do for anyone who's listening or watching right now is, the book is just full, and you can already tell, Dr. Mark Hyman is a phenomenal storyteller.
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He's got a ton of great studies that, you know, I'm massively into studies, and so anytime I get into studies, I'm like, I get really fascinated, intrigued.
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The book is full of,
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 the insights, the tools, and the actions that you can take in each of these areas.
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But I do believe that the first step is education and awareness.
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So I'm hoping that as you're listening to this, the podcast is going to give you the insight about each of these areas of our lives that food impacts.
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But when you read the book, that's going to give you the full set of what part of it you need to change and where the action is.
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So what I'm fascinated by in the book is you talk a lot about how there's food racism.
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 And I think that this is so obviously relevant right now and so important for people to understand because I think either we don't believe it exists or we're so consumed by it that we're not conscious of it.
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Explain that concept to us.
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Well, I mean, I think, you know, we have certain populations in this country that are so disproportionately affected by chronic disease.
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 and by poor health in the African-American community, Hispanic community, Native American communities.
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And when you look at COVID-19, it is far and away hurting these populations more than anybody else.
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For example, in Louisiana and Chicago, African-Americans are 30% of the population, but 70% of the deaths.
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 Native Americans are experiencing the same thing.
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And if you're African-American in America, you have twice the rate of getting diabetes.
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You have probably four times the rate of getting kidney failure and three and a half times likely to get amputations because of diabetes.
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 And you're targeted more than the rest of the population.
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And food marketing is often more directed to minorities.
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And we see this.
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This is from Yale's studies that have shown that we actually are targeting these populations more.
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So these health disparities are huge.
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 There are a lot of reasons for it.
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I mean, there's what we call structural violence, you know, when we talk about structural racism.
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But there's a bigger concept, which is what are the structural violence, the social, economic, political conditions, environmental conditions that are driving disease, right?
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We see this with infectious disease or chronic disease.
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 And this is what we have in America.
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We have this structural violence that has led to incredible amounts of disease in these populations that's leading to these health disparities.
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And we have to understand why.
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And the reasons are complex, right?
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There's the racism issues, and the segregation we had, and the lack of access to education, and housing, and opportunity, and funding.
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And there's a lot of issues.
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But the problem with food is that it drives these populations to be more sick.
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 less able to learn in school, less able to succeed in life, and more likely to get disability and chronic disease as they get older.
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So we see this sort of dismantling of these populations in scale in ways that we don't see in other populations.
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And it's really heartbreaking because it's so fixable.
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And I've seen this happen.
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 I went down, and even if you're poor and you're white, a lot of these things are still evident.
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And as part of that movie, Fed Up, I went down to this little town in Easley, South Carolina.
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There was a family of five living in a trailer, food stamps and disability.
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The father was 42, already on dialysis from kidney failure from diabetes.
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The mother was like overweight, two plus hundred pounds.
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The son was practically diabetic at 16.
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And I said, listen, I'm not gonna lecture you.
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Let's just cook a meal together.
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 Here's what's in your kitchen.
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Like here's all the junk.
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And I showed them everything that they were eating.
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They thought it was fine.
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Like Cool Whip, which said zero trans fat, but was all trans fat because the FDA left a loophole that said if you have less than half a gram per serving, you can say no trans fat, but it's all air.
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So it's just like, it's just all the food industry influence.
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 And they were horrified.
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And then I said, let's cook a meal of turkey chili.
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Let's create a nice salad with olive oil and vinegar dressing and salt and pepper.
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Let's stir fry some asparagus.
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Let's roast some sweet potatoes.
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Simple, simple meal.
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It wasn't expensive.
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And they actually loved it.
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They'd never cooked in their kitchen before.
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And I just gave them a little bit of education.
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I said, here's a guide on how to eat well for less, good food on a tight budget from the Environmental Working Group.
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 and where I'm on the board.
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And I gave them a cookbook.
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I said, you can do this.
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And they did it.
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And within a year, they lost 200 pounds together.
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The father was able to lose enough to get a new kidney.
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The son lost 50, but then went to work at Bojangles, which is a fast food restaurant down in the South.
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And it's the only place to get a job for these kids there.
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And he gained 50 pounds.
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He was like, it's putting an alcoholic to work in a bar.
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 And then he figured it out, and he lost 138 pounds, and he got into medical school.
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He asked me to write a letter of recommendation.
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So people can actually come out of this if they're given the right education tools.
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But I've worked in these communities and populations, and they just don't know.
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They just are unaware of this sort of level of food racism and food discrimination.
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 even apartheid is happening in these communities where you see the lack of ability to access food and lack of ability to find, you know, quality ingredients because they're buying food at the gas station.
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That's where they get their food.
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Yeah, thank you so much for raising awareness about this super important issue because I feel like
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 It's just not talked about.
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It's internalized.
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I went on a rafting trip and I read the story in the book where the Hopi chief was a Native American chief and he lives in one of the oldest inhabited cities in America, Rabi, which somebody's lived in there for over a thousand years.
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 And he was very, very overweight and he was just struggling to get down to the raft and threw up because he just was out of shape.
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And we got on the raft and we kind of got to know each other.
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I said, you know, you can actually fix this.
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You can get rid of your diabetes.
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He said, what do I have to do?
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 He said, well, I said, well, you have to get rid of the starch and sugar in your diet, the sodas and sweets and all that.
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He's like, wow, well, OK, but what are we going to do for our traditional Hopi ceremonial foods?
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We have these traditional Hopi ceremonial foods.
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I'm like, what foods?
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He's like, cookies, cakes, pies.
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I'm like, thinking to myself, those are not your traditional ceremonial foods.
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And what's happened was that the government
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 put everybody on renovations.
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They cut off their food supply and their traditional ways of hunting or fishing or even growing food.
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They diverted their water so they had no access to rivers anymore.
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And then they piled in these commodity foods, flour, sugar,
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 and shortening, right?
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And that became their diet.
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And these government commodities were the staples.
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So they made Indian fried bread and Indian tacos.
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There was nothing Indian about that.
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And these foods are so, so toxic.
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And now that's why we see 80% of them have diabetes by the time they're 30.
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And life expectancy in some of these communities is 46.
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And it's terrible.
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And it's not just the Native American communities.
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But he's internalized this food
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 concepts that he thinks are his traditional foods.
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And this is true in the African-American communities and Latino communities.
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And, you know, I think in Chicago, there's something called the Chicago loop.
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If you live outside the loop, your life expectancy is 16 years less.
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If you take a subway from midtown Manhattan to the Bronx, which is a very poor African-American communities, your life expectancy goes down six months for every subway stop.
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 to Harlem and into the Bronx.
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So these things are really not talked about much.
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And I gave a lecture a few years ago.
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It was on the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.
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's assassination at the Harlem Riverside Church.
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And it was really about food oppression.
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And it was a little intimidating for me because it was mostly African-American community.
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I'm a white Jewish guy from New York.
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 And what do I know about it?
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But it was, you know, Governor Cuomo spoke there, I spoke, and I just was able to share what I was seeing from the science and from the data about how these communities were being affected.
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And it was an incredible response, and people really resonated with it.
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It's a very short 10-minute talk, you can find it online, just do Hyman Food Depression, you'll find it.
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 sort of is really catapulted me into really trying to raise these issues because we can't we can't resurrect our communities unless we have resurrect our health and and we can't resurrect our health unless we resurrect our food and we can't resurrect our food until we fix the food system and fix the agriculture and sort of pull that thread that connects everything together.
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 Yeah, absolutely.
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And what I'm trying to do in our interview today is really understand the role of the individual and educating the individual, because I feel like if the individual is educated, then we'll start to see this real change.
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Tell me about, we've talked, we've definitely tapped into this, but we've talked a lot about how it impacts our physical health.
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But I know in the book, you also talk about how nutrition and food can actually be medicine for our mental health.
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 Yeah.
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And I think that this link again, I feel like what you're doing in the book is just topics that at least I can be honest and say I'm not hearing about in a non-conspiracy theory.
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 If I hear about some of this stuff, it's always to someone who loves conspiracy theories.
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I don't love conspiracy theories.
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I like data and fact and discussion and change and information.
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And so that's what I think you do so well in this book.
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But talk to me about the connection between mental health and our diets.
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 Yeah, you know, Jay, it was a surprise to me.
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I was practicing functional medicine, working with patients, and they'd come in with these physical complaints.
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They'd have an autoimmune disease, or they would have some digestive issues, or whatever was going on, or they'd have ADD, whatever.
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And I would treat them and restore their health by dealing with
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 restoring these basic biological systems, your gut, your immune system, your detoxification system, your hormones, all the things that we do in functional medicine.
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And a lot of it's using food as medicine.
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And then they would report back, Dr. Hyman, I don't know what happened, but my depression's gone.
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My panic attacks are gone.
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 My ADD is better.
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My memory is better.
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My brain fog is gone.
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I'm like, what's going on here?
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And I began to really investigate what was happening.
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And I sort of jokingly call myself the accidental psychiatrist because I was treating people's body and their brain was getting better.
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And I began to realize that, you know, let's just take depression, for example.
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 Depression turns out is an inflammatory disease, which we don't think of.
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It's like a sore throat, but it's in your brain.
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And your brain doesn't hurt, but it can be depressed, or feel sad, or be anxious, or have OCD, or ADD, or whatever.
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 And so it has different ways of expressing that inflammation, whether it's Alzheimer's, even as an inflammatory disease.
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Autism is inflammatory.
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And the question is, well, what's driving the inflammation?
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And it's primarily our inflammatory process nutrient-poor diet.
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It's this industrial diet that's lacking the nutrients that our bodies and our brains need to function.
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 And I just saw case after case after I started people on a whole foods diet, took out the processed food, got rid of inflammatory foods like gluten dairy, got rid of the sugar, gave them a moment to sort of heal, and then put in the nutrients that their bodies needed.
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Miracles were happening.
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And I began to sort of go, wow, you know, the body is so connected to the brain.
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And so, yes, there's a mind-body effect, but there's also a body-mind effect.
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 And that body-mind effect is worth fixing because you can do something about it.
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If you want to deal with your mental health issues, if you want to become enlightened, it's a lot easier to do it if you deal with the problems first.
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If your gut is healthy, if you are not low thyroid functioning, if your nutrition levels or vitamin D is good or your B12 level is good, it's much easier to actually
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 get to what you want to do in terms of your spiritual goals or your personal goals if you are feeling good, right?
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It's a lot harder to get enlightened if you're mercury poisoned or you have some nasty thing going on in your body.
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And so this really was the genesis of this book, The Ultra Mind Solution, about how we fix our minds and our bodies by fixing our body first.
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It's not that we don't have to work on our minds as well, because that's your lane.
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 But it was such an insight for me to go, wow, there's so many people suffering from mental health issues that are driven by physical issues.
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 No, it's 1,000%, it's all interconnected.
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And even I find like, sometimes people need their mind's help to change their body and they need their body's help to change their mind.
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And I think the fixation over either or or where do I start, it's almost like we need to be absorbed in all of it.
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Like I found that and I can identify with what you're saying that I was someone who focused a lot on my mind, that was able to find a lot of peace and calm in my mind, but then I found that I'd neglected my body.
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 And it's almost like real alignment in your life is felt when your body and mind are aligned, right?
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You can't have an advanced mind and a neglected body.
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That's not alignment.
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That's going to constantly cause friction in your life.
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And it's the same with what you're saying, where if people are feeling mind fog or struggling with a mental health illness, and they're not taking care of their body, and like you said, their brain,
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 then again, you can't switch that.
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So I totally see the interconnectedness and I hope more and more people listening will realize that when you read the book, Food Fix, that you'll be able to start making those tweaks that you need to in your lifestyle.
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 I mean, even education, you know, we talk about in the book and how our kids are so impaired.
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I mean, you know, one in 10 kids has ADD.
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Kids have learning difficulties, dyslexia, challenges with, you know, academic performance.
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And the CDC put out a report that I talk about in the book on the influence of nutrition on academic performance.
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And it's massive.
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You know, how do kids learn when they're eating junk food and going to
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 school in the morning with flaming hot chips and a Coke.
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They can't function and they crash.
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And so providing good nutrition can have radical effects on kids' academic performance and close what we call an achievement gap.
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And I think it also affects behavior.
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I think, you know, we think about mood, but one of the things I was shocked to discover is that is it violence and violent behavior and aggression
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 are also connected to our diet.
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And in prison studies that I talked about in the book, prisoners who are violent, who are fed a whole foods healthy diet in prison, can you reduce violent crime by 56%.
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And if you add a multivitamin, it goes down by 80%.
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If you do it in kids in juvenile detention centers, these kids, 91% reduction in bad behavior and violence, 100% reduction in suicides.
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I mean, it's just staggering.
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And if there was a pill that could do that,
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 Everybody would be taking it.
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There'd be a giant pharmaceutical company marketing, and we don't hear about these issues because they're not something that's going to create billions of dollars in profit.
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But unfortunately, it's where the real effect can be.
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 Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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Everyone, I want to recommend that you not only go listen to the Doctors Pharmacy podcast, but you also check out the book, Food Fix, that I have next to me right now.
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Again, huge recommendation for the book, A, to get educated, become aware of what's really happening, what's working in the background.
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That's going to give you enough confidence and
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 enough of a reason and a why to go and actually make the changes in your life.
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It's really easy to live in ignorance and in the pain and just allow for it to continue and feel like it's only because something outside is impacting you.
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But to actually take responsibility for our health and our futures is huge.
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And if not for yourself, then at least your children and the future generations.
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And Dr. Mark Hyman, I believe you're doing such a
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 a great service.
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Honestly, you really are in raising all of these issues in all areas and the depth of the research and the lengths you've gone through to share this with us.
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I'm super, super grateful.
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Thank you.
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 We end every interview with something called the final five, which are your fast five round, which is answers in one word to one sentence maximum.
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Okay.
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All right.
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And Dr. Hyman, these are your final five.
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So question number one, what's the best change you've made in your diet?
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 The best change I made was to dramatically cut out starch and sugar.
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I don't eliminate it, but I really don't eat any flour products.
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And if I eat sugar, it's usually part of some whole food, right?
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Maybe I'll have a whole huge chocolate, which I love, which is very low glycemic.
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And I think that and getting rid of industrial food has been the best things I've done.
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But of course, adding in all the good stuff.
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 Of course, super practical.
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Okay, great.
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Second question.
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What do you know to be absolutely true about health that a lot of people would disagree with you?
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Wow, that's a good question.
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No one's ever asked me that, Jay.
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I think that the biggest thing that people don't understand is that, you know, the way we define disease is completely wrong.
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So our normal conception of disease
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 is completely flawed because it's not based on causes, it's based on symptoms.
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So I think people just don't understand that.
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And so if you focus on causes, not symptoms, and treat that, the root cause, people get better.
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I love that.
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Great answer.
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All right, third question.
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What gives you the biggest hope for the food industry?
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I see hope because I see these food companies waking up.
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I see companies
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 companies like General Mills and Danone and other companies and Nestle really understanding that this can't go on, that their survival depends on transforming our food system.
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So I see the, and I see the culture shifting and people demanding more consciousness about their food.
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So I'm excited about that.
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Awesome.
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Question number four, what's the biggest lesson you've learned in the last 12 months?
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 Wow.
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Well, I've been traveling for 25 years and on the road, and COVID has locked me down.
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And I've realized that having a rhythm and stability and quiet and time to think is actually a good thing.
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And I think I've really learned that it's time in my life to shift how I'm doing things so I can actually cultivate more of that.
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 That's brilliant.
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And your fifth and final question is, if you could create a law that everyone in the world would have to follow, what would it be?
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Ooh, a law that everyone would have to follow.
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Well, I think it would be a law that all governments would implement, that it would influence every single policy around food, which would be quality is king.
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 So no food policy can be made unless it's putting the quality of nutrition and nutritional density first in every single thing we do, whether it's dietary guidelines, or what food we grow, or what food we market, or whatever it is.
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It's going to transform everything if we can do that.
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I love that.
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That's beautiful.
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I'm actually going to ask you one more question that's just come to my mind.
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Do you think that it's possible to create healthy food that's affordable?
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 Absolutely.
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I mean, the studies are really clear that it may cost $0.50 more a day to eat healthier.
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And like I said, there are guys like Good Food on a Tight Budget that are actually incredibly effective in helping people eat well for less.
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It's good for them, good for the planet, and good for their wallet.
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And I think we get caught up in some of this elitism about eating healthy.
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But really, this family in South Carolina, they lived on food stamps and disability.
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 for a family of five, and they were able to do it in one of the worst food deserts in America.
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So it's really more about education and awareness than it is about money.
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That's great to hear.
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Awesome.
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Dr. Mark Hyman, thank you so much for being a guest on On Purpose.
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What I'd love for everyone to do is tag me and Dr. Mark Hyman on Instagram with your favorite insights, your favorite thought or idea or concept or fact that Mark Hyman stated today that stayed with you
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 you and how you're going to experiment with your diet.
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I'd love for you all to think about what is that deep dive experiment you can do for the next seven days?
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What could you remove from your diet or add to your diet based on the insights in the book, based on the guidance in the book that you think is going to make a massive change?
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Try and experiment for just seven days for one week and see how your life changes.
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And as I said, go out and grab a copy of the book.
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We'll put the links in the podcast description so you can go straight to Amazon and grab your copy.
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 Dr. Mark Hyman, is there anything that I haven't asked you that you'd love to share?
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 Nothing other than I think we're in this moment where everybody can focus in on their own health, and by doing that, they will literally help us get through this COVID epidemic and help solve so many of our global problems.
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Because what we do to ourselves, we do to our communities and our families, and what we do to ourselves, we do to the planet.
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And so understanding that is a circle, and that we can actually impact that by making those small changes in ourselves, I think is a very powerful message for people to understand.
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 Thank you so much.
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This is great.
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Thank you everyone for listening and I'll see you again next week.
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 This podcast was produced by Dust Light Productions.
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Our executive producer from Dust Light is Misha Yusuf.
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Our senior producer is Juliana Bradley.
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Our associate producer is Jacqueline Castillo.
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Valentino Rivera is our engineer.
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Our music is from Blue Dot Sessions.
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And special thanks to Rachel Garcia, the Dust Light Development and Operations Coordinator.
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