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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert.
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I m Dax Shepard, I m joined by Lily Padman.
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Hello.
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Oh, baby.
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Today kicks off a fun week for us.
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It does.
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We re doing a theme.
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Our favorite show of 2024 thus far.
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Yes.
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Fargo season five.
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We ve talked about it endlessly.
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So good.
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And we got the idea, let s do a Fargo week to celebrate the people that are making this show, because it s so next level great.
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So today is Juno Temple, who plays
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Dot, right?
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Dorothy.
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Yeah, our protagonist.
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Dorothy Lyon.
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Juno s a total revelation to me because I missed out on Ted Lasso, but Juno is an Emmy Award nominated actor.
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She is from Ted Lasso, Killer Joe, The Brass Teapot, Maleficent, The Offer, and of course, our current obsession, Fargo season five.
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She s incredible, and she s incredible in Ted Lasso too.
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She s so good.
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Aaron, did you know her before you were watching Fargo?
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No, I m obsessed with her now, though.
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Oh, she s incredible.
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Yeah, the only, I ve never watched Ted Lasso, but that s what everyone says.
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No, she hasn t, Ted Lasso.
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I know, people have said that to me, and they ve yelled at me for not having seen Ted Lasso.
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Me too.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, straight up yelled.
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That s great.
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That means that the fans of Ted Lasso are diehard.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, feather in the cap.
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Well, I am so excited about Juno Temple.
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What a mind-blowing performance in Fargo.
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I mean, my goodness.
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She does all the things.
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Exactly.
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But Erin is here today because after several challenges that we have been navigating, we finally have a full freight brew of Ted Seeger s most delicious non-alcoholic lager.
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It is, yeah, everything that could ve went wrong, went wrong.
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We learned a lot about manufacturing and distribution in the last couple months.
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Yeah, turns out you can t just start up a beer company and turn it on.
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And expect it to run without any challenges.
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Oh, the things, Monica, we ve discovered, those gorgeous gold caps we use.
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When we ordered them the first time, no one said like, hey, good thing you got this batch, because there s no more left after this.
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Uh-oh.
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Yeah, so that became its own challenge.
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And then we learned the value of pasteurizing, which now we re doing.
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So that rules out any batches going bad.
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Guess what we found out?
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Batches can- Go bad.
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Well, they can not pass QC, which we would, thank God, we would not want to put out anything that isn t perfect.
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But this batch is perfect and great.
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golden and delicious.
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And if you wanna order a 12-pack, a six-pack, some merch, go to tedseekers.com, because we re back up and running.
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Two days left of sober January.
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Yeah, that was the goal.
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That was the goal.
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This was the last of the goals.
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It was Memorial Day, 4th of July.
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Sober October.
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Sober October, whatever else, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year.
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Now.
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Yes.
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Dry January.
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Dry January.
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Last 48 of dry January, let s hit it hard.
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But the good news is we ve figured it all out.
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We ve learned a lot and now it ll be an endless supply.
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So go to Ted Seeger s, order up and drink to your heart s content.
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And please most importantly, enjoy Juno Temple.
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He s an armchair expert.
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He s an armchair expert.
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How fucking crazy was that?
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And it ended up being like some rogue drive-by shooting from some cool guy in Vegas or some crazy shit.
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I was like, what?
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You re not allowed to shoot in England.
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Very few.
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Almost never.
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Non-existent.
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More knife things.
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Or sword fights.
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OK, so wait, you just bought your first house here in Hollywood.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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And do you love it?
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I love it.
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How long have you been in it?
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Very little because we got it and then had to go to the UK and start work.
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So all in all, I ve been there probably like three weeks.
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Out of how long of owning it?
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Middle of October.
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Is it heartbreaking?
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Do you want to be there so bad?
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Oh, so bad, but it s also kind of, right now, it looks like creative chaos slash being robbed because, you know, it s like doing multiple trips and not fully ever unpacking a suitcase.
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So you just make piles or elegantly pile suitcases on top of each other and hope no one will notice.
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At some point, I need to do some good organizing.
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You re shooting the Marvel thing in England?
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I gotta just say, we re so excited that you made time because I know you re crazy busy and you re already doing a bunch of press and you were out there- No, I m so thrilled!
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Okay, when do you go back to England?
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In an hour?
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This weekend, yeah, maybe.
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This weekend?
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Okay.
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And what s the schedule on a movie like that?
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Is it like a nine-month ordeal?
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Crazily, no.
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It s about three months in total, I think.
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Maybe a little bit more.
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I was surprised at the timing of it, and I think that s quite unusual for one of those movies.
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This is my first real experience doing one of these.
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In a Marvel movie.
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Venom 3.
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Yeah.
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But it s not the third Venom, or is it?
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I don t know enough about Venom.
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Yeah, no, I think it is.
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I could be wrong.
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No, no, it is.
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The third of these in Storm— Oh, have you seen the others, Rob?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Because Tom Hardy?
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Yeah, I like Tom Hardy a lot.
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Oh, I love Tom Hardy.
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Did you watch Peaky Blinders?
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Yeah.
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But he s also just brilliant in everything he does, really.
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Yeah, it s impossible.
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Are you guys from similar areas in England or no?
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No.
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I m from the southwest of England in an area called Somerset, which is about two and a half, realistically three hours outside of London, down towards Cornwall, in the middle of nowhere.
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I grew up with no cell phone service.
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If you had a power cut, it was like candles for a good three days.
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We have a stream near us where we have our water system linked up to that, so you have stream water and stuff.
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But it means that if the stream dries out, you have to switch to the mains.
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It s a 675-year-old farmhouse, or 700-year-old farmhouse.
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Well, the town s like a thousand years old, right?
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Some of the buildings are?
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Yeah, some of the stuff has so much history.
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Is it by Goodwood?
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Goodwin, the crazy car show?
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They have, like, there s a racetrack.
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It s in the southwest.
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I m gonna be honest, I don t know how to drive.
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So car shows would be something I don t know a huge amount about.
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I m so bummed because it s the only thing I ve got going for me is a cool car collection.
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I love a great car, don t get me wrong.
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I wish I could figure it out.
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You just have no desire to drive one.
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My brain, it just won t.
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Have you tried?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I failed the written test multiple times.
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I passed it once, which was great.
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But then it comes to actually getting in the car and my brain fully
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It s like it has an actual blackout as to which one is the gas and which one is the brake.
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You can t keep that straight.
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That s a big part of it.
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You really want to keep that straight.
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But I have a hunch this is in your category of I can t swim.
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That s what it feels like to me because Monica has a story that she can t swim, but she can.
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Okay.
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I could probably survive if I got thrown in.
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Probably.
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But I haven t done it in so long, I just don t know and I don t want to find out.
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Yeah, that s fair.
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I ve tried to get behind a wheel multiple times and I ve done it on different movies and quite quickly after you do one take where you almost take out a camera and go behind it, people are like...
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You know what?
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We re just gonna give you a little shove.
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Oh, you weren t being humble.
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You fucking can t drive a car.
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I cannot drive.
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No, no, no.
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And my fiancé, who s an amazing, amazing guy, he s a mechanic.
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Oh, he is?
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Truly, in his heart of hearts.
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And he s a big motorcycle man.
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I am too.
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Are you?
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Okay, well, I need to introduce you guys.
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Does he do track days?
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Does he go to the track?
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Out here, he s kind of figuring it all out, but he loves that stuff, and he s got a KTM here, and then he s just bought two kind of junk bikes that he s taking apart and wants to redo, and so he s doing that kind of stuff right now.
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Do you know him?
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I doubt it, but you guys should.
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Did you ask him?
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Yeah, you should.
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You guys should hang out if you re a motorcycle man.
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I m kind of, if you move to this town and you want to know all about where to be riding and stuff, I am the kind of go-to.
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So I need to, if you re up for it, hook that up, because that would be absolute heaven.
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There s nothing I like more than lecturing a stranger about what they should do.
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Sounds like a perfect day for me.
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Tell him to block out like three, four hours for it.
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I can give him a lowdown every single track in California.
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Oh, that would be sick.
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He d love that.
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I wore this sweater for you, but that s as much as I could take of it.
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English vibes?
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It feels, well, specifically, it s my Beckham phase.
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Ah, okay.
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Did you watch the doc?
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I haven t seen it yet.
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Oh my lord.
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Well, growing up there, were you in love with him?
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Because to let you know where I m coming from, I knew he was famous.
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I don t know anything about football.
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I didn t know if he was great or he just was really good looking.
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I watched that doc, I m like, oh my God, he was like the Michael Jordan of soccer.
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Yeah, he was a great player.
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And then so fucking attractive, I couldn t stand it.
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It was maddening.
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Yeah, very beautiful.
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So I grew up and I had a household that I kind of grew up listening to really old rock and roll music.
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So people that I had crushes on were like Tom Petty and Jim Morrison and stuff.
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And I m still kind of bad with up-to-date culture.
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Do you have like an old soul quality?
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You look old as hell.
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Thank you so much.
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That s why I ve got the perfect face for podcasts.
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No, you have like an old soul quality.
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Do people say that?
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Yeah, I ve had that said to me before, which I think is one of the highest compliments.
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It s a huge compliment.
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I feel very unwise about certain things and then there are some things that and some people you meet and you re like, whoa, this is kind of more ancient than what s going on right now.
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Yes.
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Like you ve always been here, kind of like the guy from the show, which we ll get around.
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Oh my God, the Swede, yeah.
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Maybe he s 400 years old, I don t know.
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I think he is.
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Do you think, I m gonna take a stab at something psychologically.
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So not knowing this at all, and I watched a bunch of interviews with you and this did not come up.
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My hunch is you adore your dad, and your dad was very much embroiled in that early rock and roll scene.
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and hanging out and filming the Sex Pistols and best friends with Joe Strummer from fucking The Clash.
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And so if you were like a proper daddy s girl, you would want to be hip to all that shit.
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And that s what I listen to.
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You know, God Save the Queen is somewhat of a lullaby for me.
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And I think my dad is a huge inspiration for everything I do because he really can t do anything that
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his whole heart doesn t believe in, and I think that s an extraordinary thing to stay true to for his whole life thus far.
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Whether it s gardening or making a rock and roll documentary, it s like he can t half-ass anything, and I think that s such an honourable thing when it comes to artistry, you know?
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I mean, I did have a moment in my teens where I started playing a lot of early Gary Newman, and lots of like synth sounds that made both of my parents like, oh God!
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I may have put them in the house.
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Yeah, but then we d talk about why it tickled me or whatever.
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I think there s something about certain synth sounds that sounds sort of water-like and repetitive that I really like.
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But it means that some of my playlists can be playing for hours and someone would say, has that been the same song on my beat?
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And you re like, no, no, no, absolutely not.
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Right.
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What genre are we saying this is?
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My brothers actually educate me a lot.
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You have two little brothers?
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I ve got two little brothers who are two of the most incredible humans.
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My middle brother,
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just got a fellowship at Cambridge University.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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Get out of here.
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Sorry, I m so proud.
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I didn t even know what to do.
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They have cool names too, like Leo and- Leo and Felix.
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Yeah, they sound like a couple cats in a cartoon.
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Oh my god, your parents must be so proud of their children.
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Yeah, and then my youngest brother Felix has just come out to LA, which is really exciting.
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He s doing really cool graphic designing for a great company called Super Culture.
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They do really interesting collaborations, particularly with clothing, that is really cool, and he s doing graphic design for it.
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Okay, and then mom also produced movies.
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Okay, so they re very artsy, and so is it a bohemian-esque lifestyle growing up?
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Yeah.
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Are rules, I don t know.
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Rules are there to be bent.
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But at the same time, things that were important always were being honest.
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and being accountable, and then also education was key.
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My dad always said to all of us, you know, knowledge is the key to life.
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The more you know, the more that you understand, the more you can do.
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So I had to finish high school.
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King s College?
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That was one that I went to that wasn t my favorite school, actually, but finished my last two years at a school called Bedales, which is a very creative school, and I had a really great time there.
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But it s funny, because boarding school is a big thing in England.
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It s kind of a given, whereas here it s more of a choice
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We just had Paul Giamatti on, and he was promoting this great Alexander Payne movie.
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I don t know if you saw it, The Leftovers.
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You see it?
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No, no.
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The Holdovers.
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The Holdovers.
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Yeah.
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Leftovers is a show.
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Yeah.
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With Justin Theroux.
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Okay, so you saw The Holdovers.
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Yeah, and he s so brilliant in it, and I m so excited for all of the things that are happening for him.
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I could watch that character rummage around that room and smoke cigarettes and drink for five hours if he wanted to.
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No words.
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But yeah, he was talking about the history of our boarding schools and how they re very much the English model.
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Here we have this kind of
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fantasy, there s like a Hogwarts-y element that we have that we tie to it, right?
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There s something enchanted about it from our perspective.
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What was it like from your perspective?
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It wasn t Hogwarts, for sure.
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There was no... No potions class?
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I mean, not far off at Bedales, actually.
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It was a school that was unusual for a boarding school because it didn t have school uniform, and you called your teachers by their first names, which feels more of an American trait, actually.
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Yeah.
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But it was a school that in the 60s I believe was a kind of big hippie school and I do know that Daniel Day-Lewis went there.
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Oh my god, now I m even more interested in it.
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We were not there at the same time, unfortunately.
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It was a school that really encouraged artistic brains but then at the same time would say, you ve got to get your math GCSE.
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figure out an extra class in this, if you wanted to do kayaking, they would organize a way for you to go kayaking and do extra homework to pass your math exam.
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It was a really interesting school for that because it s very much about encouraging artistic minds that don t necessarily work with numbers.
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And do people board there?
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Yeah.
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Did you?
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Yeah.
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Okay, now that s a very...
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Peculiar thought for me.
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As someone with children, our oldest turns 11 in a couple months.
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And I m like, oh, I mean, it s only seven more years.
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Like, I m already panicked about only seven more years where I know they ll be under my roof.
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So the notion of giving up a couple of those to send them away to school, I just can t imagine it.
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Well, also in the US, it s normally an airplane ride away going to a boarding school.
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Whereas in the UK, it s not.
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That makes sense.
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One of the boarding school I went to before King s College was only 25 minutes from my parents  house.
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So I could see them on most weekends.
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And then the second boarding school I went to was further.
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It was about a three-hour drive, too.
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But I would have these great road trips with my mom.
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We d listen to The Pretenders a lot.
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And we d drive past Stonehenge, pretend we saw aliens and things like that.
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What kind of kid were you in high school?
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We would call it high school.
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I was such a kid kid for a long time, but I started smoking at like 13, 14, but still played with Barbies.
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So it was like this weird combination.
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Yeah, mixed messages.
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Totally.
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then I was always kind of creating these wild universes when I was younger that really were encouraged by where I grew up because we ve got this incredible, wild, beautiful terrain around us.
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And so I was quite a kind of dreamlike teenager, I guess.
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You were living in fantasy a lot.
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Kind of, yeah.
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Can I also tell you one thing to alleviate any stress?
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We edit, and anything you would want to, you just tell us.
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Okay, great.
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Thank you.
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I just wanted you to know.
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There s a huge safety net here.
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Thank you.
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But I was trying to think of the right word, because I was also somewhat quiet, but then would be encouraged by certain best friends to kind of be wild and crazy.
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And I think I tried to stay young for a really long time.
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And I still find that kind of a thing, that I have some nervousness about growing up fully into a woman, I feel.
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Yeah, totally.
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But that s what I love about being an actress, is that it kind of guides you down these extraordinary paths of playing these different women.
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And every time I ve done a job, especially in the last kind of five years when I actually started becoming a woman on camera, you learn how extraordinary it is to be a grown-ass woman.
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The different perspectives of that become inspirational rather than scary.
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What parts of being a full adult woman scare you?
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Having to have kids, is that part of it?
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No, I think that s something that would be an incredible journey and that can happen when you re, you know, a teenager sometimes.
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But I think it s more about real life things that I m really bad at, like being on time to things.
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Driving a car.
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Driving a car.
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Taxes?
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How do you deal with filing taxes?
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Taxes, I have an extraordinary business manager that helps me, but I m not good at the everyday
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sort of things that come along with being a grown-up, right?
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And I see some of my girlfriends who I m so in awe of who can be all the things.
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They can go out and have wild dancing nights and be like these young-hearted angels and then can cook dinner and also organize taxes and fire things.
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Put their clothes away when they come home from vacation.
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Exactly.
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Fold the laundry and do all these things.
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And they kind of have this incredible marriage of being able to do both.
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And that s something that I would love to be able to do one day, but I don t know if it will ever happen.
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Or is it maybe you d be sacrificing that free spirit for a more... Yeah, do you think you might lose something in the trade?
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No, I just am not good at it.
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They say that you can have things that your brain is kind of turned off to.
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It s almost like relearning a new skill, which, like driving, I hear is a lot easier when you re younger.
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— When your brain s more plasticky?
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— Yeah.
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— I think that s what they say.
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You started acting young, right?
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You re in a movie at 9 or 10.
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You re in a movie— — Well, that was my first experience, and I got cut out.
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So I learned early, you don t always make the cut.
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— Right.
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So how were you pursuing acting in this very tiny town of 64,000, three hours away?
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Do you actually know that it was 64,000 people?
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That s what your town is.
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Wow.
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He does lots of research.
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Does he really?
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And I know that the buildings are a thousand years old there, which is very exciting.
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I would love to stare at a thousand-year-old building.
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You get a bit of that in London.
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There ll be a plaque on something.
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Because we re such a young country, relative to everyone else, that s hard to fucking believe.
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Like, when you re standing there staring at it, it s like, my goodness, the amount of history that transpired while this thing was still here, I find really enchanted.
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Me too.
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But I wonder, if you grow up around it, it s just like a given and it s not interesting.
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I guess that s my curiosity.
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Fuck no.
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You dig it.
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Oh my God, how can you not be interested in that?
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Yeah, like Stonehenge, the fact that you re saying you drive by Stonehenge, to us, Stonehenge is like almost maybe just in sci-fi.
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I m not even sure it s a real thing.
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It is.
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It s absolutely magical.
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Did you ever go there and do like mushrooms as a kid?
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Not Stonehenge, no, but I grew up going to Glastonbury Festival and there s an incredible tour there which has got a lot of amazing history to it.
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And when you walk around places like that, you literally think about the Knights of the Round Table.
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We re in conversations of being here.
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King Arthur.
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And I grew up, my little brother was obsessed with the Knights of the Round Table and King Arthur and Merlin and wizardry like that.
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And my dad taught him everything he could about it.
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They would go on these incredible, like, Excalibur quests across the Quantock Hills and stuff.
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I think if you start getting bored of that kind of history, then what?
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Is this Leo or Felix?
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Leo, actually.
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He s got this extraordinary brain that when he gets into a subject, so maybe it might be the ancient Egyptians or the Knights of the Round Table, fish is another big one.
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The band fish.
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No, fish, the creature animals.
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Oh, the actual sea creatures.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He will try and know everything he can about it.
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It s an extraordinary brain.
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I want you to ask him if he s seen the John Borman movie Excalibur.
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It is the best of all these movies.
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Is that quite gory and quite old?
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Yes, it s dark as fuck.
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I think my dad and him were watching it when he was like five.
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And there was this moment where I was like, oh my gosh.
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Yeah.
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No, it s graphic.
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There s tons of nudity.
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It s gory.
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It s scary.
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And for some reason, that was one of the first things we had on VHS tape in like 1983.
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And my brother and I watched it every single weekend we were at my dad s.
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I know that movie, Backward and Forward.
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And yeah, I love it.
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Merlin and Sir Lancer live.
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Yeah.
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Guinevere s a babe.
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Yeah.
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So the fact that the Glastonbury tour- That s ridiculous.
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Actually housed a lot of those feet and walked around and they had conversations and cried and laughed.
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And it s amazing.
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Yeah, I like that you are aware of it.
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My assumption would be you just would take it for granted.
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I feel like I would take it for granted.
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You can t.
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Because it doesn t let you.
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You know, buildings that are that old, like the house that I grew up in, at night, it literally decompresses.
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And so if you haven t stayed there before, people are like, oh my God, this ghost is definitely haunted.
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It s all these things.
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Which, probably.
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Yeah.
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And I ve had friends that have had great stories about being in my childhood home.
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But the floorboards actually decompress at night.
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It s almost like the house has to be like... Exhaled.
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Fucking hell, that was a long day.
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I ve been fucking doing this for a thousand years.
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I m exhausted.
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You kind of can t not be aware of the history going on there.
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Well, and the inconveniences, as you say, like you re using candles sometimes because the power sucks.
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But is that an inconvenience?
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It s a beautiful thing.
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Well, it s wonderful, no question, but it depends what you re in the middle of.
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If you re in the middle of blending batter for a cake and it goes out, yeah, that s inconvenient.
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And you gotta whisk it by hand.
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You do, you gotta pull out that bicycle kind where you spin the shit out of it.
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Okay, so how are you pursuing acting in this cute little hamlet?
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Presumably, I imagine also your parents are fine with it right out of the gates because they re in that... Well, that s what s interesting.
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They actually kind of want.
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I remember having a feeling about it when I was about four and a half years old.
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It was the first time I actually felt aware of wanting to be an actress.
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And it was actually my parents lived here and I had chicken pox, like really badly.
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unbearable itching, and I was being annoying about it.
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And I don t remember what I was wearing.
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I was wearing this little corduroy dress with a red trim.
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And my dad was like, okay, I m gonna put on a movie.
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And my dad has the most incredible Laserdisc collection.
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God bless him.
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Amazing.
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He s such a dad to have a Laserdisc.
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And still has it.
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And so he had it, and this was a while ago now.
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It was a good 30 years ago.
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And pulled down the projector screen and put on La Belle et la Bête, this black and white Jean Cocteau Beauty and the Beast, which if you haven t seen it.
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I haven t seen it.
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I m feeling like a Philistine right now.
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Can I micromanage one thing?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Good job, Dex.
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Yeah.
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Oh, my height.
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Two things were happening.
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I couldn t hear you as good as I wanted to, nor could I see you as good as I wanted to.
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Oh, fuck.
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Now he s going to micromanage my micromanage.
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Oh, wow.
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Oh, Wabi Wabi.
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Because I m shorter than everybody.
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Now, how tall are you?
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So I put lifts in all my shoes.
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You do?
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Yeah, even in these ones.
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Yeah, those are big boys.
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Those are nice.
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Are you five feet?
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I m 5 2 .
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Okay, you re taller than me.
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I am.
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But now I m gonna start doing lifts.
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Yeah, they re life-changing.
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She s younger, she s got more tricks.
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I know.
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I already know this, and that s why...
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This is hard.
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It s hard for me.
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It s hard for me when people come in and they re younger and wiser and more talented.
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They ve been to Hogwarts and they party better.
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Dad has a cool Laserdisc collection.
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Yeah, my dad doesn t even know what that is.
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You re a piece of shit.
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You re just like me.
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You re a piece of shit.
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I am.
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Laserdiscs are great.
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They re bomb.
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They look like a fucking album.
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Yeah, they re like a vinyl, right?
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Yeah.
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So I watched this movie and it was the most beautiful thing I d ever seen and I forgot I had chickenpox.
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And that for me was the first experience of real life magic.
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So whatever my understanding was at four years old of that, I just knew that I wanted to be a part of making magic.
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And about 10 years later, I was 14 and that s when I told my parents, I said I want to be an actress.
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And both of my parents were like, fuck, that s going to be hard.
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Because they know, they know how the sausage is made, and they know about the rejection and the disappointment.
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I don t think rejection ever gets easy, you know?
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Right.
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But at the same time, you understand it.
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It s hard for me to believe you were ever rejected.
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Of course I was, because I m not right for every project that a director has this incredible vision of.
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And that s what you always find out when you see the end product.
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You watch the movie and you understand why you weren t cast.
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That s a really important realization when it happens that it s not just you.
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It s actually about how you fit into this universe that somebody is creating.
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And you may not undeniably, of course, it s still, you have the moments where it hurts because you audition for things that you want, you care about, and you re interested in.
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And so my parents definitely understood that.
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But then my mom also found out about an open audition that was happening in London for a movie called Notes on a Scandal.
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And she was like, okay, so I ve been sent this.
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And if you want to be an actress, you should go and see how many other girls.
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How did she even find out?
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Was there like a backstage Wesk version in London?
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I think a friend of hers actually ended up sending it to her.
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I guess that makes sense.
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She s already a producer.
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Yeah.
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And I went with one of my best girlfriends at the time to somewhere in East London, a kind of warehouse set up.
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And there were a lot of people waiting in line to go and do whatever it was we were going to do when we got into that room.
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When it came to finally getting there, they just took your picture and asked for your information.
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The first round was simply that.
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Yeah.
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And then I, the next day I had a phone call from somebody that was working on this project.
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And the director was Richard Eyre, who s just brilliant.
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And it was with Cate Blanchett, Judi Dench, and Bill Nighy.
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It s insane.
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It s insane.
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Sorry.
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You have a bunch of these, by the way.
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You have an inordinate amount of these.
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That, to me, never gets old.
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Yeah.
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Oh, my God.
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She s my single favorite actor alive.
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She s extraordinary.
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And the way she transforms into a role, it s honestly one of the most breathtaking things still to date I ve ever seen happen.
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And so when I got this phone call about doing an audition for this, could they bike the script over?
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Literally, I was like...
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What does that mean?
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They re going to bite the script.
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What?
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It s crazy.
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Like, is that slang?
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What does it mean?
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What does it mean?
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Pigeon?
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Yeah.
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We re going to send you your sides via courier pigeon.
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Be by your window at 7.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Don t be late.
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So then this script came and I got to read this incredible story.
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Had you done any acting before that?
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At school.
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And I d been in a couple of my dad s films, but had not made the cut, ultimately, of one of them.
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Which was a good learning experience at a young age, you know?
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Also, if your own dad cut you out of something, you re like, okay, this happens.
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Yeah, it s like a really bad dinner that night.
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Well, you would tell yourself, and you d be kind of like, oh, the director didn t like me.
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It was like, no, my director loves me, and I still am cut out.
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Yeah.
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My parents thought it was so cool, and the next round was so cool, but
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You don t think it s going to go.
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They have reasonable expectations.
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Yeah.
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And about a week later, I remember my mom, I was sitting in the car and we were about to go into town.
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She came out, she was crying.
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And I was like, oh my God, what s happening?
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Oh no.
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She was like, Juno, you got the fucking part.
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And I was like, what?
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What do you mean?
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I then learned sides and I went to an audition and it was the first experience of
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ever doing a kind of real audition in the real world with a real casting director and a real director where you have other actresses that are in before you and you can hear them doing their audition first.
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So you go in and you are so nervous that I have no recollection of what happened in that room and that happens quite often.
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I still get nervous as hell every time I do an audition actually.
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Me too.
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Never nervous on set.
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Are you nervous on set?
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Yeah, every day.
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You are nervous on set?
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Every day.
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I love to hear that, because I think most people are, but they feel like if they re at a certain level, they have to just be chill.
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I m nervous every day, but I also think that s because I want to be great for the people I m a scene partner to, you know?
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It s like, you want to be it.
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on it enough to make the whole moment work, because it s never just about you, right?
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So the nervousness is about everybody else in that room that have done extraordinary work, and then you walk into an amazing set that s lit in a certain way, which is a fucking privilege to walk into, with cameras set up that are ready to capture what you re going to do with your partner, or multiple partners, whatever the scene is, and you don t want to let anybody down.
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Yes, but can we have our first fight?
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Yeah, go for it.
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Okay.
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A surgeon doesn t need to be nervous to go in and do an incredible job, and the stakes are very, very high.
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But I don t think it has to be, is the point.
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Say that again.
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You said surgeon doesn t have to be nervous.
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Right, and in fact...
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I would prefer the surgeon not be nervous.
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I don t think it would be advantageous for the surgeon to be nervous.
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It depends.
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But I think I have a bunch of stories I tell myself that is, oh, that s the fuel in my tank.
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And I m pretty certain that s why I can sit down and write, because I m a pessimist and I think I m going to be penniless.
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You know, all this story I have.
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And I m just wondering, you re so spectacularly talented.
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No, I m gonna explain my whole revelation with you.
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I ve talked about you so much on the show in the last two months, and I feel blessed I didn t see Ted Lesso.
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So I m just like, where the fuck did this human being, it s James McAvoy in Last King of Scotland.
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I m like, what?
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Where s this guy?
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Ewan McGregor in Trainspotting.
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It s that moment for me with you.
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I can t believe you just put me in that group.
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You are, you are.
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You re so fucking in that group.
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I m not even gonna accept you
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denying that, but if you want to be nervous, that s great.
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What I can see quite clearly is you have a skill set that does not require that as fuel.
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But maybe it does.
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We don t know.
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What if it s part of the sauce?
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We shouldn t mess with what she s doing.
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This is what she s saying, but I m just wondering if it actually is a quintessential part of the sauce.
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In the same way that I question my own motivations for things, the story I tell myself of how I need to feel to perform in the best way.
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And sometimes I wonder,
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Well, no, maybe I could just work from a place of happiness and I would get the same result.
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But I think the happiness for me is also part of everyday at work too.
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I love what I do so much and I genuinely do not think I could do anything else.
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And I think it s something that, don t get me wrong, I m definitely more method than I think I would like to really admit.
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I think it happens without me realizing.
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No, just that it s not something that I think about necessarily.
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It just starts to happen when you are really living with a character that you start bringing that into your life a little bit, but not fully.
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Otherwise, I think I d be dead probably five times.
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But you ve got to let that character get under your skin a little bit.
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And to whatever extent it does, I think you can t help but have it affect how you go to the grocery store or how you sleep at night or how you kind of communicate with people.
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Just how you see people, I think, especially the characters.
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And also sometimes how you may want to be seen.
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What an amazing role.
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I still can t believe that she got to be a part of my universe.
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Okay, let s go there right now.
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Okay, so I don t know who you are.
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In retrospect, I do.
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As I m learning about you today, I m like, oh no, I totally remember you from Lovelace, but I don t connect those two things, right?
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There s definitely several I have seen you in.
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I had not seen Ted Lasso.
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And then I watched six episodes yesterday in anticipation of this.
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And I will thank you that you got me to watch the show because it s fucking good.
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I don t watch comedy much.
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I was terrified about the idea of joining a comedy because I am not known for comedic acting.
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Yeah, was that scary?
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Yeah, I thought Jason had texted the wrong actress.
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I was like, uh, this is gonna be really awkward.
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When you meant to reach out to a different actress in Los Feliz.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But he was so lovely about it and was like, well, please reach
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and then I d love to talk to you about it. 
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And then we went to, oh, what s the name of that restaurant in Los Feliz, Silver Lake area?
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Little Dolls.
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All Time.
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No, it s on Hyperion, right by the reservoir.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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Down from Blairs.
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Oh, down from Blairs.
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Oh, I was gonna say Blairs.
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But further down, it s also a bar.
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Hyperion Public, Stella.
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Sizzler.
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L&E, L&E Oyster Bar.
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You re asking the right person.
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Oh my God, the Zagat.
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Elemento.
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Oh God, this is going to drive me nuts.
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Speranza?
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No.
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If you got it on the first one, Rob, I would kill you.
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Well, he s looking at a computer.
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Edendale?
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Yes!
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Oh!
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Sorry, that was very loud.
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Good job.
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Edendale.
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Edendale s cute.
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And I had— Pretty fan.
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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Very cute.
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One of my best friends had turned 30 the same night, and so I was pretty dressed to the nines for a dinner and went to go meet him, and he was very low-key in T-shirts and ball shorts, and I was like,
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Well, howdy doodle.
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I literally dressed to the nines to celebrate a friend s 30th.
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And we sat and talked about Keeley Jones and where he thought her journey would go through potential of at least one season and then maybe one or two more.
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And I just was like, wow, she sounds so kick ass.
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She sounds like such a girl s girl.
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And that s something that I would be honored to play.
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Immediately my favorite character, as I m watching it, I m like, oh my God, here she is again.
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And my wife s like, fuck, this bitch can do it all, can t she?
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We were both just kind of marveling last night.
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But I prefer the order I saw it in, because one thing, it s so much more fun for us in the States to learn someone s not American after you ve already fallen in love with them.
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Like the dude on Succession.
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All of them on Succession.
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Yeah, I m like, what?
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I get to get more impressed.
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So I think if I had seen Ted Lasso first, I would have gone in already knowing.
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So for me to watch Dot and then to see how great the Minnesota accent is and then think that s a hard accent for many Americans.
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That accent is a fucking nightmare when you first start learning it.
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I gotta imagine there s an easy, like I could do it with you, like the cartoon version, you know?
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You d be surprised how real the cartoon version is.
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Well, that is true, but what I was really thinking about is, because you ve been asked so much about the accent, I m really resistant to even bring it up.
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The one thing I will say is I started learning it whilst I was still playing Keighley, so that was a quick turnaround.
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I rapped Ted Lasso on a Friday, had Saturday to pack and had to be on a plane on a Sunday, and then started Fargo Thursday that week.
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Yeah, that was quick.
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But it was good because it meant that I couldn t sit and grieve Keeley for too long.
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Actually, that fast switch was quite important, I think.
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Yeah.
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I d argue as well, too, you didn t have too much time to stew and get nervous about the Minnesota of it all coming.
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My brothers had come and seen me a few weeks before in London.
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We were having dinner and I tried out the accent on them and they were like, so how long have you got?
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Textbook brothers.
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Pulling no punches.
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Yeah, but I think it s an accent that actually really helps with every single chapter that we ve seen of Fargo so far, and the movie, when it comes to the element of comedy in these stories.
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Because the stories are not funny.
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No, yeah, it s the juxtaposition of this nice, nice, nice, kind of funny and cartoony in a very graphic and bloody, violent world.
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So it becomes a real part of your character that you don t have to think about that brings the lightness to it.
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So the one question I do have about the accent, controlling your instrument while also screaming, I feel like is tricky.
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And then also when you re being...
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very emotional in a scene, for me those are the moments where it s so fucking key I hone in on my real voice so I know it s real.
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And to not be able to find my own real voice because I m in a fake voice, that to me would be the trickiest part of when doing the accent.
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And I m curious, are those the more challenging zones or no?
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I stay in accent the whole time.
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So I m practicing all the time because I m an emotional rollercoaster of a human.
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Okay, great.
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Trust me.
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I do that specifically for those moments where you don t want to trip up in a scene that s an important scene, whether you re angry, whether you re feeling sad, whether you re expressing something that, yes, is out of your kind of like everyday sort of vocal range, because you don t want to have that moment.
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I describe it as, you know, when you trip in public and you get that kind of hot rush through your body being like, fuck, I almost died, but I m OK.
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Don t worry about it.
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Whilst also being a little humiliated.
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It s the same feeling when you fuck up an accent in a take and you don t know how to get out of it and you ruin the entire take because then you can t continue.
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Deeply embarrassing.
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Yeah, you just feel embarrassed at the fact that you are ruining this moment for everybody.
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Whereas if you stay in the accent and you get used to sometimes fucking up, it doesn t stop you from being able to continue a scene.
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You just continue.
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And then afterwards you go, I know I messed up that word.
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Can we do it again?
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So keeping in the accent for me makes it become second nature.
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So the whole time offset, you re speaking in it.
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Yeah.
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I remember when we were going from London to Calgary trying the accent out in the airport.
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I was like, why not?
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Yeah, of course.
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It s a freebie.
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I think it s important to test it out in places like that.
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When the accent clicks for you, the Minnesota accent, you don t really want to stop because then it becomes this musical rhythm that is so much fun.
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Yeah, you re like playing an instrument at that point.
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Yeah, and because it s also so affected by the weather.
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And it was cold in Calgary.
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Yeah.
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Even though it s one of my favorite places I ve ever filmed, actually.
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I had the best time there and the crew was so kick-ass and just guided you through this kind of vortex of a snow globe that I d never thought could be real whilst doing their jobs at the fucking highest level.
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I was so impressed by every department.
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When you re calling your fiancé, when you get off work and you call your fiancé... Oh, he came with me.
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I needed a hug at the end of some of those dates.
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Oh my god, I can t imagine.
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So when you re coming home from work and you guys are having dinner together in wherever you re staying, you have Dot s voice.
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Yeah, but it would, as the night went on, start to become, so it d be full Minnesota and then start peppering in some English words and by the time I d fall asleep, I would be English.
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There would be the moments where it was half and half and that hybrid moment is definitely whack.
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Yeah, what is his reaction?
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He s so used to it now.
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So he s just plowing through, kind of just can ignore the fact that you re speaking in this Minnesota accent.
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I mean, sometimes he would try it with me, the Minnesota accent, too.
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And he s from Poland originally, so that s a completely different kind of rhythmic situation.
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But also the rhythm of the accent really helps you with the dialogue, which is written for that rhythm so brilliantly by Noah Hawley.
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The way he puts phrases together make the accent easier and vice versa.
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So, I mean, I would run scenes all the time with my guy, and if I would mess up the accent,
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It would mess up the rhythm.
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The whole thing would fall apart.
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Yeah.
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Are you a Pisces?
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No, I m a Cancer.
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Yeah, she s a J2C.
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She s July 21st.
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Wow, that s a special club.
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Dax has a club.
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My soulmate, best friend since I was 11.
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He s July 2nd, Cancer.
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I m January 2nd, Capricorn, J2C.
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Very, very exclusive club.
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And you almost made it.
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You almost made it.
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The very watery sign, also like Pisces, makes sense.
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Monica s in an astrological phase of her life.
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This is new.
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It s a thing that people talk about.
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More in America?
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More in LA, for sure.
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Yeah, for sure So far it s been cute, but I am wondering when it s gonna tip into like most of her questions are about astrological I just, if one day, soon I m gonna be able to nail everyone s It s just gonna take a little practice And do you do all the like moon rising and things like that?
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I m getting into it You are getting into it?
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because that can be a completely different sign, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Exactly.
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You have sun, moon.
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SPEAKER_00
Jax is going to be really upset if we keep talking about this, but anyway.
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As long as we veer into Taylor Swift at some point, I think we ll be fine.
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We can do 20 on her.
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Kristen is a Cancer.
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She s a Cancer, yes.
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Oh, yeah?
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Yes, yes.
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Okay.
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I think Cancers and Capricorns do very well together.
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My youngest brother is a Capricorn.
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He s got the same day as you, January 2nd.
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Wow.
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No.
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J2C.
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Hold on a second.
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Your brother s birthday is January 2nd.
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My youngest brother, and guess what?
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He was also born on the millennium.
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He likes the Arthurian legends.
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That s the middle brother.
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Fuck!
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He s the one who s just moved to L.A.
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He s a millennial baby on January 2nd.
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SPEAKER_01
Wow, that s lucky.
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Would he agree it s the worst birthday on the calendar year?
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I mean, we make it more important than Christmas.
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That s nice.
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My issue isn t Christmas, and I hate to bore everyone because it was just my birthday and I ve already been talking about this a lot, but this is why, fuck Christmas, that s fine.
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It is the fact that it is the day after New Year s.
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Everyone s already partied their asses off.
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They re hungover.
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They ve quit everything.
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And then you re like, come to my birthday party.
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They re like, great.
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I won t be able to eat or drink.
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And I don t want to be anywhere but my couch.
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Let s go.
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See, I m kind of thrilled that I feel the opposite.
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Because to me, New Year s is kind of the celebration.
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I m like, who cares?
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Who wants to start the new year off feeling shit?
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So celebrating my brother s birthday the day after feels like a better way to start the year, personally.
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Yeah.
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Well, I like that.
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You re a good sister.
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I love my brothers.
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SPEAKER_00
That s so nice.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, so how does Noah Hawley, who you know, we just interviewed.
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Oh yeah, this is Fargo Week, by the way.
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We re doing a Fargo Week on this show today.
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SPEAKER_02
I m sure that was explained to you, right?
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SPEAKER_02
We re so obsessed with it, we re gonna do a whole week.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, I didn t know it was a whole week of it.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh yeah, we re adding more episodes just so we can have John on and you and Noah all in one week.
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Oh, wow, dope.
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Because we re so obsessed.
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And by the way, Noah, I m sure you could do 10 minutes on him, but the intellect is so fucking ridiculous.
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It s insane.
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And you see that with each chapter of this show.
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It s a quiet education in that time period of America, which is somewhat terrifying and also extraordinary to learn.
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And that is so interweaved in his writing.
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And that s one of the reasons that I loved all of Fargo, is that you do get a quiet education from it.
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You re not realizing it.
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It s also the most deeply feminist show I ve ever seen in my life, this particular season.
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It s always female-driven, but this one is really, really feminist in the greatest way possible.
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But how does Noah know, based on Ted Lasso, that you can be Dot?
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What s the process that ends with you joining that cast?
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I don t know how he knew that, but I got a phone call from my team saying, you know, he wants to talk to you about being in Fargo.
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And I was like, what?
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I mean, the movie changed my life when I was a teenager.
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And I d seen the first three chapters of Fargo.
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I remember the first one.
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I genuinely could not believe that had been done because it felt like an extraordinary continuation of the world of the original movie and the performances.
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I was blown away.
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It embarrassed every movie of the year.
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It was extraordinary.
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And that switch of good and evil at the end, which you re like, oh my God, no, evil and evil.
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What the fuck?
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Blew my mind.
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And so I didn t expect that phone call.
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And then hopped on the phone with Noah and he said, well, I m going to send you the first three episodes.
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So if you ll read them, then I would love to talk about it.
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SPEAKER_00
And did he on that phone call tell you that he had come to you by way of Ted Lasso or was there something else he had seen you in that he was interested in?
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I think Ted Lasso was probably a part of it.
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I feel like that definitely opened a lot of doors for me because it was something that people watched because I ve been acting for a really long time and most of the time nobody s seen anything but these beautiful indie movies that I love but they have a hard time getting all over the world.
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Yeah.
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Do you think it s preferable because I have the exact
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opposite experience you did, right?
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Which is like, I had auditioned for nine years, never got a thing, ended up on a reality show, punked, and then the next day I m starring in three movies in a row.
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And it s like a light switch.
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SPEAKER_00
And then there s a downhill slope from there.
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SPEAKER_00
From my vantage point, I feel like I d far prefer your situation when it s like, you re working, working, working, you re making a living, you re doing really good work, you ve been in so many really, really good movies, and then all of a sudden now the floodgates are just wide open.
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SPEAKER_00
As you re saying, you ve been doing it for a minute.
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SPEAKER_02
Mm, I ve been doing it for over half of my life.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you grateful that was the rollout?
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, for sure.
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I think I would have probably died quite young otherwise.
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I think also I remember talking to someone about this not too long ago.
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SPEAKER_02
I won an amazing award when I was in my 20s, the English kind of Oscars BAFTA, which was for a rising star award.
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SPEAKER_00
2009 maybe?
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Something around that time and I still am convinced that my younger brother made it happen but it happened and it was such a great thing to have in my life and still at this moment to be like yeah still rising.
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You just want to be able to do great work.
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SPEAKER_02
You want to keep fighting and finding extraordinary females to play and hopefully
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SPEAKER_02
one or two people watch them because you care about them and you want to live in their shoes for a while for a reason and hopefully they will impact somebody else in some way but I think I was never interested in being an actress because of fame and fortune.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know how that really can benefit an actor really.
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SPEAKER_02
I know it s part of the kind of journey sometimes but actually I think you want to be a chameleon or a shapeshifter and you want to not always be
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recognizable and you want to really inhabit things that change how you walk around in the world and how people perceive you and vice versa.
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Yeah, it s just something that like we talked about earlier, I ve always been into living in a fantasy and now I get to do that somewhat for work.
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SPEAKER_02
I m not good at reality.
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SPEAKER_00
Only having known you for an hour, I can t imagine you will enjoy the increased attention.
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SPEAKER_02
I m not very good at it.
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SPEAKER_00
I m nervous about that part.
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compliments.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, I m a somewhat private person.
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SPEAKER_02
I think it was great in Fargo that I got to have such a different look.
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SPEAKER_02
And it was an extraordinary change from jumping straight from Ted Lasso, where Keely Jones definitely isn t a little mouse of a woman.
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She s like a rainbow that you can t help but kind of see shoot into a room.
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SPEAKER_00
She s very assertive.
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SPEAKER_00
She s very competent.
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SPEAKER_00
She s very street smart.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, but also she dresses exactly like the way she presents herself with her personality.
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And I love that about her.
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SPEAKER_00
She s like our version of Jersey Shore almost.
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Kind of, yeah.
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and has fun with it.
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Her outside presentation of herself also projects her inside presentation of herself.
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Today she s feeling twinkly and pink.
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SPEAKER_02
Tomorrow it will be another version of twinkly in a different shade of pink.
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Then going to Dot, which was the polar opposite of you meet this woman and she doesn t really want to be seen by people other than her husband and her daughter, who mean more to her than I think words in any language I can find can explain.
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And she gets found.
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It s the last thing she wants.
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So thinking about that and thinking about how to play a woman who is really trying to blend in with the wall.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you think it s fair to say, like, Keeley is making herself big as possible, and Dot s trying to make herself small as possible, to not be discovered, to not be seen, to blend in?
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Yeah, and I think that s an interesting thing that we do as humans, right?
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SPEAKER_02
You have to learn when to take up space in a room and learn when not to.
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And that s a really amazing thing to watch people figure out, but also to start figuring out yourself, I think.
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And it makes such a huge difference to a character when you figure out how much space they want to take up in a room.
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SPEAKER_00
Right, like that can inform so much else.
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SPEAKER_00
Everything.
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Your posture, the way you walk into the room, the way you sit, the way you make eye contact with people.
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It affects everything.
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SPEAKER_00
How loud you talk.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Were you, when you were reading the first episode, were you having the same experience that us viewers were, where I was like, oh, there s a Jason Bourne element to this.
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SPEAKER_00
Like, does she have amnesia?
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SPEAKER_00
Were you having the like, how will this be explained, this crazy skillset she has at surviving?
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SPEAKER_00
Or were you thinking more of the acting?
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SPEAKER_02
I was completely floored by the first three scripts, which is what I got initially.
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They blew my mind.
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And this character, this woman, fascinated me and frightened me, which meant what a privilege to have her be a part of my life and that somebody believed that I could inhabit her.
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You know, I still am grateful to Noah for that because she taught me so much.
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Well, this is weird because it s going to be out of order, so try not to give too much away about Noah s episode with us.
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But he does say that each season of Fargo, there s a character who is experiencing a ton of denial.
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And for the other seasons, it s interesting because the denial is something they ve done.
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participated in, inflicting.
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She s hit and run somebody, and she s just not accepting that she did that.
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She won t accept it, exactly.
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But in this season, and again, not to give too much away, but that is not the case.
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You re in denial of something that happened to you.
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And it s so profound to watch this season.
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I mean, I think for everyone, but especially as a woman, there s domestic abuse flags at the end of each episode because it s so...
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real this idea of suppressing your own trauma for your family or for the presentation or for survival?
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That s what it is.
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It s for survival, right?
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You know, survivors of domestic abuse.
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This is something Noah and I talked about too very early on.
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You either get out of it or you don t.
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It doesn t have a kind of in between.
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And it s definitely a form of survival to be able to
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compartmentalized.
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Yeah, have traumas that get buried deep.
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You don t know how they re gonna come back out again, but they probably will if you don t work through them.
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Secrets do, right?
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But also, she s a mother, and she s a nurturer in a way that is a beautiful thing, too.
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So it s this combination of the two, and finding a way in scenes where she s being more kind of a warrior, or a survivalist, or a fighter, finding the moments to also add the mother in there was really important.
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And vice versa, when she was being motherly, and having moments where, still as a mother, she could frighten somebody.
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I ve heard you and Noah talk about it, but this bouncing back and forth, and even a scene like the epic gas station set piece, what a bit of filmmaking that is.
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By the way, the first night we filmed there, so we re out in the middle of nowhere, and they ve built this beautiful set, and I m looking at the sky with my fiance, who was there with me that night, actually, and there was this kind of wild dancing going on in the clouds, and I was like, that s weird, it kind of looks like a slightly green Hollywood movie premiere shooting through the clouds.
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the fucking Northern Lights.
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I heard this too.
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And the whole production shut down all the lights and we watched it for a second.
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Cool.
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Is that the first time you d seen it?
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Yes.
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And then later in the shoot, they were above my house when I came home and they were real bright.
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They were banging.
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Amazing.
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So I ve only seen them once.
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They were in Detroit one time when I was in high school.
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My first thought was, holy shit, that s nuclear radiation.
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Like something bad has happened.
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It s so supernatural.
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Did you immediately know it was the Northern Lights or were you like, what the fuck?
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My fiance joked about it, he was like, where s the Northern Lights?
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And then literally someone was like, can you see the Northern Lights?
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I was like, what is happening?
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It was wild.
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Did you know that when you get close enough to them, they make sounds?
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I heard you say this and I have the same skepticism Kimmel had.
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It s true.
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What does it sound like?
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Wind chimes.
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No, that s beautiful.
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I m going to Scandinavia this summer.
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It s supposed to be an incredibly powerful year for Northern Lights and I m going to have my ears at full attention.
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Please let me know, I wanna know what that sounds like, because to me that would be really spooky.
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I don t understand how that works, my understanding of physics, but I m open to it.
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I m not shutting it down.
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It s about the electromagnetic field, right?
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And so when you think of electricity, and the power of even just sometimes going through a wire, you can hear it a little bit.
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So imagine that in the fucking clouds.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It s like both beautiful and ominous.
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It does feel like it s the last thing you re gonna see before you die.
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Like, oh my god, what is this thing that s happening?
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I interrupted myself.
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So yes, back in that gas station scene, and this happened on the day, which I think is interesting.
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Tourniquet.
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The tourniquet.
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So it s not written that she s gonna be a mother in that scene.
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She s just gonna survive.
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But then there s
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is this moment of mothering and we re learning, and I ve heard both of you say this, but that Dot s real superpower is her kindness.
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And that s just not lip service.
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The way the season wraps up is so... Beautiful.
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It s so satisfying.
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It s almost more Fargo than Fargo has ever been, right?
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It was the idea of truly allowing forgiveness and offering it to somebody in a meal.
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It s such a beautiful thought.
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And instead of engaging him with might, engaging him with love, and that would be the only thing that could destroy him, if we would just say the version of him we re afraid of.
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And it s so true, the kill him with kindness thing.
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Yeah, and it s like this Minnesota nice is a veneer, but then there s real nice.
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And you see that with the family.
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And that s a whole sequence where they are not letting him get to the dock place he wants to.
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And little Scotty does it, Wayne does it.
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I mean, the two of them were so beautiful throughout this season.
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David, who plays Wayne, I think is... He was so detached.
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And also, he s such a magic human.
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And he was somebody that we talked about.
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I was like, we have definitely helped each other through some shit in a past life.
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He became a really, really, really important friend of mine and he was like a safe word almost for me.
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And you know, for the last few episodes of this chapter of Fargo, I wasn t with my family and so I missed them.
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That was real.
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It was a genuine, wow, I miss David and Sienna.
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How many months did it take to shoot that?
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October through March.
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Okay, so like six months?
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Five, six months, yeah.
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And having come from movies and done, I guess it s four years on Lasso, three?
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Three.
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How do you like being on something that long?
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I ve done a few limited series before.
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Lasso was the first time I d ever returned to a character.
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There was a moment where I thought that was going to happen on this show that I did on HBO called Vinyl.
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I was so excited.
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Mick Jagger, Scorsese.
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No big deal.
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Best rock star, best director.
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Let s go.
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Martin Scorsese was another person that I hope everybody gets a moment to say hi to him because he s one of the kindest, most interested humans I ve ever met.
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We were just interviewing Rob Reiner, who by all accounts is one of the greatest directors to ever live.
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And he s talking about being in a scene on Wolf of Wall Street in like a giddy fashion, getting to see this guy work.
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And I m like, yeah, even Rob Reiner is like dying to see how Martin Scorsese works.
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And he s giddy when he s working, Marty.
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You hear him laughing during takes and stuff on the monitor.
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But at the same time, when he comes to give you a note, a piece of direction, it s always very quiet.
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And I love that.
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Because some of the best things people can say are said quietly.
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And I think that s a really amazing way to direct.
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Jamie Viner would have loved to play more of her modern time period.
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But, you know, everything happens for a reason.
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And Keeley, coming back to her, I was kind of nervous to come back to a character.
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I didn t know what that was going to mean.
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I didn t know what that was going to feel like.
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And then, you know, as the world shut down, it was this crazy time in history.
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She became like a fucking best friend.
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She was so gorgeous to get to live with during that time, because I think a lot of us went dark, dude, during that time.
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If you had to play Dot during COVID, you might not be sitting here.
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Yeah, and I think she really taught me about kindness to yourself.
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I needed that reminder, to be honest with you.
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And so she was a gift to come back to.
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Did you have the moment, I had this, again, forgive me, audience, I ve said it a bunch of times, but I was on a show for six years, and I had a moment in season two where I came home and I told my wife, I m like, I think I suck now.
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And she goes, oh no.
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What s happening is it s effortless for you to play them now, and you feel like you re doing nothing, but you re actually getting better.
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But that was a weird, I was so used to just going to a movie, trying to get that thing right, and then it s over in three months, and then you move on.
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Did you have that at all with Keely?
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I think it was more about the kind of comedy side of it.
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I don t know if I ever quite felt that I was doing great or not.
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It was just, like, trying always.
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But often, any of the comedic moments with Keeley, it s because I genuinely don t understand the joke.
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So... No, no, no, it s really true.
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Like, at the beginning of season two, there s a beat where Richmond lose to a team, and they send food.
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Oh, no, they tie.
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Still getting the joke wrong.
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And then they send Thai food, and they cut to my close-up, and the director was like, do you think maybe you d find it funny?
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I was like, why?
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Genuinely didn t understand.
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And they were like,
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That s perfect.
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We re going to keep that. 
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And it wasn t until I saw it that I was like, oh my God.
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Often that would be the case and Jason just wouldn t necessarily correct it because that s what made her funny and genuine.
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And you know, there would be moments where like it was a breakup sequence and I was like, I don t understand how to make that funny.
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I m really sorry.
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I don t know the comic timing of that.
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But there was a great moment in season three where
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It was a simple scene that I was doing with the dreamboat Hannah Waddingham, which if you haven t had her on the show, you should because she is one of the most extraordinary women you ll ever meet.
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I love her.
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Is she the owner of the team?
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Yeah.
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My wife was just telling me last night that she s like an incredible singer, which I didn t know.
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Extraordinary.
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She had a Christmas special.
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What the fuck, one of my best friends had a Christmas special on Apple!
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Sorry, that was a big deal.
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So cool.
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It was crazy.
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But Jason came in after one of the takes and was like, just so you know, you just nailed comic timing.
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I was like, what?
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And it was something to do with the way I said a sentence, then put a cup down, there was some kind of boom boom.
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And I was like, dude, now you ve said that, I ll never fucking get it again.
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And I didn t.
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It was a one time wonder.
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But it was there for a few seconds.
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So that was something that became easier for me, the idea of comedy being something that was
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not necessarily something you had to think about.
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You could just absolutely play it how you would.
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I would argue that my least favorite comedy is when the people are in on the joke.
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You have to trick yourself to not be in on the joke.
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But I was signing up to a job that was a lot of comedians and also people from musical theater.
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They understand how to really fill a room with joy.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Whereas I m all about really tiny things.
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And I ve played a lot of characters that are trying to find joy.
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So I was like a moth drawn to light in those rooms, but at the same time was terrified of being part of the moth
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team.
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But luckily everyone was so patient with me because I would ask a lot of questions about it.
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And then Jason said to me, but I cast you because you re a real actress and that you don t understand that.
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And that s something that I think is really important.
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Yeah.
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And you just have to trust that they mean that.
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He did a great thing with that on that show, where I think anybody you ask on that show would tell you that they didn t think that they could necessarily play the character that they were playing, other than Brett, who figured that out in the writer s room.
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But Jason, finding the people that he did for that show, all of them were like, would never have cast me in that, and what a fucking extraordinary thing that you did.
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Yeah.
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How did you feel?
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I assume that show came with a big loss of anonymity?
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It did also somewhat because quite a lot of the wardrobe in it is mine and stuff.
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We had a lot of fun creating that character and lots of the things were things that I maybe wouldn t have the confidence to wear in my real life and so Keeley would, which was a great thing too.
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And a lot of the fake ponytails and things, I can fuck with a lot of that stuff, I love it.
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And pink is a very important color to me and has been since I was a little girl.
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So I gave a lot of my quirky style choices and it means that I became more recognizable as myself with that character.
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I think she s the most like myself.
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looking part I ve played.
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That coupled with the huge success of the show, I m imagining more and more you are out and I imagine you re a people watcher and you re sensing people are watching you.
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I sometimes am shocked if I m like walking around Portobello Market in London, that s just where I ve been staying before Christmas, and someone comes up and they re like, oh my god, Keely, can I take a selfie?
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That never quite gets normal because firstly you re like, actually I m Juno, but yeah.
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Does it scare you?
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Sometimes it does, but it depends on what it is, right?
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Sometimes I ve had extraordinary conversations, especially with young women who ve stopped me and want to talk about Keeley.
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I want to talk about why she meant something to them.
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And I have all the time in the world for that.
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I ll totally talk back about why she meant something to me and, you know, the friendships that I made.
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And I think that s a privilege to have people talk to you about characters that either they ve hated, they ve loved, they would like to know more about.
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I would love that.
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But when somebody just wants to take a selfie with a character,
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then that s something that I don t quite know what to do with.
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I m not very good at social media in general.
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In fact, I m terrible at it.
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Do you have an account?
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I do.
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I m not very good at it.
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Yeah, me either.
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I m good at eBay on my phone and that s kind of it.
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And also that is an interesting experience, I m sure you understand this too, of being in somebody s living room on a TV show is a very different reaction to being in a movie.
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Yeah, people watch you in their underwear, quite literally.
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They feel like they re friends with you because you re in their home, which is a beautiful thing, but sometimes it is jarring.
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And I don t want to pry too much, but your just general disposition, how would you describe it?
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Because you said, I would have been dead.
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That s a clue.
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Yeah.
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You said you re very emotional.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I m an actress.
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You re a cancer.
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My general disposition is,
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I feel happy to be alive a lot of the time, but in the sense of, like you said, people watching, looking at the world, seeing what the sky is doing today, and listening to the sounds of the animals that are around your house and things like that, I think it s really important to try and pay attention to those things.
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Do you have a good deal of anxiety?
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Definitely.
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Here s my thought.
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I don t know you enough to say this, but I imagine when you are on a job and you re tackling something as all-encompassing as Dot,
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There s probably a lot of freedom in that period because there s something to hyper focus on.
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And then when you step away and you re in between things, I just wonder if anxiety resumes.
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Definitely.
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Is it okay that I ask you that?
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Yeah, I think anxiety is a great thing to talk about because I think a lot of people I ve learned recently that they suffer from it.
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I ve known for a little while.
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It s something that s real, you know, and it can be debilitating sometimes.
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I find that for me, being creative is really important.
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So I make jewelry at home.
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I also sew.
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Do you have like a smelter and shit?
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I wish, but I have a whole jewelry making kit and I like to take apart lots of old different pieces of jewelry and re-put them together.
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I like to make necklaces for people.
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And I love vintage things.
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I love things that have a story.
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And I also have a sewing machine, which I find that to be such a meditative, great thing to do.
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And I like doing alterations on my own clothes and stuff.
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Can I be honest?
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You ve accomplished, I think, your goal because you sound just like one of my little girls.
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Really?
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Yes.
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This is all the things that they re doing.
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And drawing.
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Sometimes I write angsty poetry.
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Yeah.
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And I watch a lot of movies.
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For them, the world is scary.
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They re tiny in it.
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They re very, very tiny.
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I feel like that too.
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Yeah.
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It s a big world.
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There s a lot of lips on your shoes.
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Yeah.
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To try and get closer to being able to see the view.
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Yeah.
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But movies have always been a safer place to go and they take you to places.
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This is a kind of weird thing about me.
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Texas Chainsaw Massacre is what puts me to sleep.
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or like it.
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This is not weird.
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And we happen to know a lot about this because Monica too has a lot of anxiety.
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I m talking out of school.
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I m an addict, by the way.
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Liz is kind of what we love talking about.
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And we learned this.
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So Monica during COVID was watching the movie Contagion over and over again.
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She saw it like 20 times.
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I did that in first week too.
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Right?
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Same movie.
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Contagion was a great one.
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And then also Outbreak.
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Yeah.
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You just like checked off all the pandemic.
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We were suddenly like, oh shit, I want to watch all those movies again, just in case, you never know.
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And what we learned after the fact was people with anxiety like watching the same movie over and over again because it s scary, but they know how it ends.
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It s very comforting to know how it ends.
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It was like, even when you re in it and like you re feeling the feelings of like, Oh God, this is so bad.
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you know it s going to be okay.
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And that s what anxiety is.
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You re like role playing with the fear.
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Exactly.
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Because anxiety is not knowing how something s going to end.
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But do you find, because I find for me that horror movies specifically are something that I will watch and I want to watch new ones all the time, but I want to be frightened.
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Like I m looking for that real fear factor.
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Because it s controlled, right?
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It s a controlled thing.
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And also you re in your home, you re in a safe place.
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I ve got a gorgeous fiancee that would definitely kick anybody s ass and try to break in.
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I ll handle demon shit because I know about that stuff.
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But I think that s what I m going to trade off.
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You ll be sprinkling like flour on the door cracks and shit.
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Like what kind of stuff?
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What s in your tool kit?
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I ve just watched so many of these movies that I feel like that s the thing I would have to offer myself.
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Step aside, Anna.
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I think an exorcism is called for right now.
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I mean, I don t know about that.
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But me and one of my best girlfriends have watched a lot of horror films together.
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They weirdly give me a sense of calm, whereas I find that sleep is difficult for me.
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I m a real nocturnal animal and I find it difficult to shut my brain off.
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Right.
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And so one of my favorite films of all time is Thelma and Louise.
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And so often I think, you know what, I m going to put on Thelma and Louise, I m going to go to bed.
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And then I get distracted, I ll go and get my sketchbook or I ll be looking up a specific vintage piece of clothing on eBay and I get down a wormhole and I miss a little bit of the movie.
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So then the movie finishes and I m like, well, I m going to fucking start again.
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And then I m guilty of watching Thelma and Louise three times in one night because I need to finish it.
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Yes, I ve done it.
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Yeah, whereas that doesn t happen so much with a horror.
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I mean, it can happen with the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which I think is a flawless, flawless movie.
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I just think it s brilliant.
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Any self-medicating to deal with any of that?
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Yeah, that s happened in the past.
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Not anymore.
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I m a chain smoker.
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Good for you.
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I had a hunch.
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Do you know I felt it?
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That was almost going to be one of my questions.
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Do you bang darts?
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Because I just feel it when I look at you.
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It also feels British.
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Sure.
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Like a little bit, right?
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I m going to put you in a camp that you re not going to like because you hate compliments.
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I have known a few insanely gifted actors in real life.
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I ll add the one I can say, because he s passed, is Heath Ledger, where the weight of the world was very palpable and visceral, and most certainly connected to the level of brilliance that he was able to achieve on screen.
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And I very much feel that about you.
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Like, I have this impulse to walk next to you and make sure nothing happens.
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I want to protect you so that you can work and live in a creative bubble.
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But also I have a slight hunch that the weight of the world is sometimes heavy on your shoulders.
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Yeah, I think that s a true statement.
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And I think at the same time, I should be so lucky, right?
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It s like to feel those things.
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Well, if you can embrace it, yeah.
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If you have the wherewithal.
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Like for me, I m so grateful I m an addict.
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Everything that s great about me is the other side of the coin that s an addict.
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Like I m compulsive.
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I think of things.
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I get obsessed with things.
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I endlessly pursue things.
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And does that go into your work a lot?
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Do you find that that energy goes into that?
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Yeah, I mean, I know how many people live in your town.
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So yeah, that s on full display and I am very much at peace with it.
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I m also 49, you re 34.
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So I m very much like... Let s say I m 31.
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No, I can t handle it if you re 31, so absolutely not.
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And then go watch, what s a movie where people jump off the top of something?
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Or the Jinx, I go keep watching the Jinx show.
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Go watch the Jinx, the mother jumped off the roof.
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Who do you watch?
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The TV?
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Did you see that, the docudrama?
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The Mert.
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Yes!
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Beverly is spelt the same.
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Robert Gary.
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Oh, this is a weird perverse reaction.
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I had to that.
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I wanted to take him in Did I felt this weird love for him?
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He s a monster I get it but the childhood the weird family the billionaires the no love the no attachment I was like look at this little Kermit the Frog I kind of want to bring him in and just hope he doesn t murder me while I m sleeping You wanted to fix him.
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I want to protect him.
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I know and also fix I
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He could be the same freak he was, just no killing.
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You would never let him in your house.
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No killing, Bob.
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Okay, no killing.
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There s only one house rule, Robert.
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Robert.
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No killing.
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He ll wanna not kill, but he will.
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Did you like him at all?
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I wanted to hug him.
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That s a weird reaction.
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I think I was more fascinated by him.
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Yeah, psychologically.
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He is so fascinating.
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I think brains are extraordinary and all the different chemical reactions that can happen in brains and sometimes when you lack certain chemicals that you need and what that creates and also it s such an important thing to talk about mental health and what it means and what people are going through because I find in America a lot of people have a certain idea of what schizophrenia means or of what bipolar means or psychosis these kind of things and until we talk about it people are going to be fearful of it because they have a presumed idea and actually
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It doesn t have to be scary.
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It s about learning and it s about hanging out with people that are going through that stuff, not being afraid to talk to them about it and ask them how they re doing.
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And I would suggest it s only labeled as a pathology.
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It s only labeled as a burden.
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And I think there s some power in me going like, no, no, no, I would never take away being an addict.
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I fucking love it.
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So similarly, and it sounds like that s how you feel about it is, but then I get this incredibly beautiful experience that some people don t get to have and I ll take it.
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I m okay with that trade off.
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it can be a double edged sword, right?
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Because some days it s a lot and some days it s really, really special.
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And I think that s something that I don t know if I ll ever be able to figure out completely a balance or understanding it or controlling the power that that could bring.
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But I feel like as life goes on, I ll keep trying.
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Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert.
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I think a lot of people are at home feeling overwhelmed.
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They re feeling all the downside.
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And perhaps they haven t opened up their mind to what the superpower that is joined to it.
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Well, it s having that kind of empathy.
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I think when you project that out, it is extraordinary because people talk to you about their life and people talk to you about their emotions.
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And I think that s a real privilege to have people open up to you about things.
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Well, and you have just taken on probably one of the heavier things that people will connect with you about, and people are going to come up to you who have been in abusive relationships, and you re going to have been the voice for them.
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Also, I want to be able to talk to anybody that has experienced that because I learned so much in playing Dot, just being on a set, how many people have experienced domestic abuse.
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I was also really proud of our production and how we handled shooting that stuff.
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I think it s episode eight.
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There s a sequence with Dot and Roy Tillman in an abattoir that was not an easy day to shoot.
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And the production had it be a closed set, which I think is really important.
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And also, people that didn t want to come to work that day didn t have to.
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And they also had a therapist in a little double banger outside that was completely confidential.
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Because you never know who might be triggered, ever.
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And we are in a place of making things that we put out in the world that we want people to feel like they can talk about and feel less alone, right?
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Yeah, you want to see them.
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Yeah, and that starts from making it a safe place from the beginning.
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While you re making it, yeah.
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I imagine you re learning so much.
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I watched my mother get beat.
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It was horrendous.
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We talked so openly, but I interviewed her on here, and it s wild to me.
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This was never a question I asked her, but it felt mandatory while being an interviewer.
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I was like, it s hard for me to make peace with the fact that you are such a gangster.
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She built a business.
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She raised three kids on her own.
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She s a bad motherfucker.
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I m like, it doesn t match.
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with you having been in this abusive relationship?
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How is it that these are so disconnected? 
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And she said, I had such shame about my first marriage failing with your dad, and this was so immediately after, the shame of having to admit I fucked it up again seemed more painful than the other thing.
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And I was like, oh my God, like I wouldn t have ever even thought of that as being why you d be in it.
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And I m sure there s a million different ways
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reasons someone finds themselves in that situation.
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Trapped, yeah.
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I m sure there are too and I ve heard some of them and I think Dot had her own storyline with that.
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It was something that made her so interesting to play because of the different levels of experience that she s had and I loved her so much and I had so much respect for her as I learned about where she d been.
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No, it s so gangster.
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It s such a profoundly beautiful experience to have people open up to you.
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And also, I m very protective of people s information.
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I m not interested in any of that kind of stuff, too.
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So I really think it s a privilege to have people open up their insides to you and say, like, here it is.
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Here s mine, too, you know?
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Yeah.
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You feel an obligation, don t you, to match the vulnerability?
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It feels like an honor, actually, to me to be able to talk about things that are real with people, because I do care about that a lot.
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Well, the show s also, I think one thing that maybe might not get talked about so much is because of her experience, the new relationship, Dot and Wayne, in the first scene or two, I mean, you kind of think, oh my God, he s such a dud, right?
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I didn t.
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But you already knew where you came from.
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Of course, but he s also a man who is kind and there is nothing dirty about that If you think about what this woman has been through and then you think about what it must have been to have a daughter with her Can you imagine that experience and what that man must have done and what he must have held her through while she didn t talk to him about it?
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Giving birth to a little girl
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That would have been a really complicated experience.
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Yeah.
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And to love her through that and not push why this is so difficult or why this might be traumatic, but to just love her and be there for her.
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Not try to fix, not try to solve.
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I think makes the man a fucking hero.
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No, it does.
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That s my whole thing.
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It s like you meet him and you re like, what?
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This guy?
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He has this rich mom and like, and then yes, by the end of the show, he s the perfect person because he s just taking care.
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You see also in that moment where he s at the car dealership,
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And he owns his job and his position at work and his kindness at the same time.
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And you see how fucking great that moment is where he s like, this is my dealership, but yeah, I want to switch out a car for a car.
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They seem like a lovely family.
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He has immense integrity.
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Yeah, truly.
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But he does meet you as an Aw Shucks G Williker character.
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Yeah.
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And you re a very dynamic one, and we re getting a sense that you re Jason Bourne, so we re like, wow, she went with a real G-rated partner.
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But yes, when you ve experienced the opposite of that, those qualities, as they should always be, but they re not, those qualities become
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extra important and extra valued.
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There s so much sweet mother stuff too, because there s, as I interpret it, I m sure you have a different one, but for me, I was so excited to be a dad because I didn t have one around.
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I am nurturing me by getting to be the person I had hoped I would get.
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It s very healing.
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And I see that very much with Dot.
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Dot s raising this little girl and giving her what she deserved.
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I think she s always wanted that relationship, right?
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She wanted to share that.
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The mother and mother kinship that you have is a really profound one, especially when you re younger, growing up with your mom is something that s so, I mean, it can be volatile, but it s also where you learn a lot of things.
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And Lorraine not allowing that relationship for Dot always keeps her in a certain distance
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Well, and I just think it s so precise and well-executed that the moment we see you cry is when she says, no daughter of mine is gonna.
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Oh, that part.
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I don t wanna give it away too much, but yeah, it s so.
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But I m like, oh my God, it s so masterful that that s when we got to see the emotion we were wondering where it was at.
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Which Noah really guided me through because I had moments where I found it difficult to not be emotional about some of the things that were happening.
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Yes, of course.
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Or some of the things that were being said in different scenes.
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You know, you just have moments where it s like, wow.
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And Noah would be like, not yet.
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Can t cry yet.
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Or not there yet.
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Not yet.
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And that was really important.
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I m such a director s actor.
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Like I want direction.
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I love it.
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And I love the relationship between an actor and a director.
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It s kind of like a therapist and a patient.
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But I can also take direction very literally.
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So I remember one time, it s in the first episode, he wanted me to kick a bag of ice.
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Into the stall of the toilet.
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Exactly.
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And he was like, let s see your football skills.
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So I kicked that bag of ice like I would a football.
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And that shit went flying.
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He was like, wow, you did that literally.
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I was like, what s he worse for?
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So I can be like a child like that too.
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But yeah, his guidance in when to hold back the full emotions with Dot was so important.
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To have the faith in Noah and the trust.
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I mean, wouldn t you?
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Well, I have my own issues, so no.
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No.
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It s very hard for me to believe someone more than I believe myself.
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As a rule of thumb, with my childhood, no, I don t believe you more than me.
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I ll never believe someone more than me.
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It s all whatever childhood you had, I think.
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That s what makes me difficult.
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But I think it was also this thing that we talked about from early on of it being quite important for her to be able to hold emotions kind of together, I guess is the best way to put it.
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Because it s not that she s necessarily always holding them in, it s that she s almost swallowing them, right?
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She doesn t even know yet.
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Her mind hasn t caught up.
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Because if it does, then it s going to be a different situation.
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And so there would just be certain scenes where I would go into it being like, I know that this is going to be emotional.
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The sequence where I go in to see Wayne again in the hospital and I leave him in the bathroom.
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I knew saying goodbye to him and the way he says I love you three was going to break me.
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I knew it.
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I knew it.
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So in the first take, it fucking broke me and I wept like a baby.
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But then you just know that s not the one that we re going to use.
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Again, you have to respect that that is something that you find emotional, but that dot wouldn t release.
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And that s who you are at that moment.
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You re a dot.
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So if you need to release it, let it out and then rein it in.
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Let s get Juno off the table.
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Let s let her have her take.
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Yeah, that moment actually was an emotional moment in my experience of shooting it for both of them.
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Like for Juno, reading it on the page, I was like, oh, but then for Dot and saying bye to someone that loves her that much.
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The acknowledgement that your past, which you have not told him about, has now come to harm him is like the ultimate heartbreak.
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and her protection mechanism that was supposed to keep people out but also stop people from trying to pry in to almost killed him.
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Exactly.
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And that is something that I think in the moment she can t think about that too much because then she won t do what she needs to do because ultimately she s got to kill a monster.
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My God, it s so good.
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You re on like one of the best seasons of television ever made.
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I guess I m excited because I just feel like you ll be able to do most of just what you want to do now.
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I feel like this is such an opening of the gates and you ll get to talk to the people you want to work with and you ll get to read every script.
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And I think you deserve it.
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And I m really excited to watch it all.
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Thank you.
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I m really happy you made time for us and squoze us in.
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My very last question has nothing to do with any of this, but do you happen to be friends with Mae Whitman?
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I know May for a long time, but I haven t seen her in years.
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Yeah, me either.
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And she s one of my favorite human beings in the world.
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And she was on the show I was on for six years together.
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And it just occurred to me, you guys must have been in the same circle.
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We definitely cross paths.
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She s a lovely human.
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She is so special.
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Yeah.
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Also, wait, I want to add Mara Roszak.
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Love Lara.
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I love her.
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I literally, today, I ve washed my hair in a minute.
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And I ve got all of her products in my hair.
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Save!
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It s the greatest.
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It s called Rose, right?
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Yes, Rose.
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We re going to shout out Rose.
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Yeah.
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Saved my hair.
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Yes.
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And she does your hair for all the events.
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Yeah.
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And I always look perfect.
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She s a genius.
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I m glad you are curly, because I don t get to see it curly.
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And then I saw in an interview, you said I have incredibly curly hair.
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Yeah.
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I m dying to see it.
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This is Carrie s hair.
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So gorgeous.
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By the way, Monica.
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Like afro-y.
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Cotton candy spirals.
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Totally.
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All right, well, Juno, so fun to meet you.
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And then please come back when you re promoting what will be, I m sure, many other movies and projects.
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Maybe even Venom 3.
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Fuck it, let s go.
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All right, take care.
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Thank you.
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Next up is the fact check.
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I don t even care about facts.
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I just want to get in their pants.
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Big day, Monica Padman.
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Hi.
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We just did an episode and this is the fact check for that episode.
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Again, not common for us.
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No, maybe what, five times?
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Probably sub five.
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Over under on five is under for you, Yerbeten.
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That s right.
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But again, when this happens, there s no facts.
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I tried to, I was like, is there anything that I absolutely need to check?
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You can check the population of her town.
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This is the kind of thing you would normally check.
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She s from T-A-U-N-T-O-N, Taunton, comma, Somerset.
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S-O-M-E-R-S-E-T.
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All right, we re looking at 61,674.
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Is that on Wikipedia?
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Nope, it s on www.citypopulation.something.
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Wikipedia has it at 64.
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Well, this was 2021.
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It s the Goodwood Festival of Speed in Chichester.
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How close is that to?
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Two and a half hours.
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Okay, so not even close.
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I for some reason thought that was in the southwest of England too.
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What was?
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The Goodwood Festival, it s like the coolest car show ever.
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It s a retro racetrack that they shut down years ago, but once a year they have this
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and it s all like 60s race cars, famous 80s Formula One cars, really weird one-offs.
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It s a very bizarre, fun carnival of really, you d love it.
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It s like crazy classy.
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It s like a polo event for cars.
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It s like Wimbledon.
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There s not a car out there that s under a million dollars on the track.
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Goodwood Revival.
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Goodwood or when?
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I always get confused.
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It s Goodwood.
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Goodwood.
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That guy gave me some Goodwood.
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That s something you could say.
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It is.
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I feel like the name doesn t match the regalness.
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The royality of it?
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Yeah.
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It s too pervy.
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Goodwood.
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No, that does sound like an American festival in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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Yeah, Goodwood.
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Ding, ding, ding.
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Ding, ding, ding.
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Minnesota nights.
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Welcome to Fargo Week fact checks.
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Yes, they re gonna come hot and fast.
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For us, for them.
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Oh, well, yeah, yeah, they re gonna.
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Tomorrow you re gonna get a tasty episode.
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Get a brand new episode tomorrow.
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Big ole episode.
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And Thursday.
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Yeah, and we are, we re in a very accelerated process.
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We are.
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Because we ve been fighting really hard to make a Fargo Week.
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Yeah.
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and it s all been last minute that people have agreed.
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We fought hard and we succeeded.
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So I m delighted, but the turnarounds are crazy.
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You did a personal reach out that was very good.
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Hard for me.
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Well, yeah, so thank you.
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It s funny, I ve been thinking this a lot lately because, and I was starting to make a list like whatever an hour ago,
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of the reach out.
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Like I have like at least five reach outs a day, at least.
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And sometimes it s like a huge blast of a lot more.
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And for the past six years, this is like this.
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And most of the time it s no s until obviously at some point they ll circle back.
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Like it all ends up working out.
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All these people that say no, they eventually come on when they, it makes sense for everybody.
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It s not personal, right?
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depending on where my own mindset is, I can really let it get personal.
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It s all about where my head is.
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And I can get personal and not just personal.
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I m just like, how many more no s can I take?
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It was like being an actor all over again.
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That s what I was thinking the other day.
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I was like, I thought I escaped this.
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This life of no s, and here we are again, yet also maybe that prepared me for this, so that s good.
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I just keep checking back in.
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I m here, still here.
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It s all learning lessons.
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Oh, I will say, I don t think I ve ever, well, I know I ve never, and maybe I even mentioned on a previous fact check, but I ve never,
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casually mentioned I haven t seen a show and had so many people scream at me, how could you not be watching this show?
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Other than Ted Lasso.
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Oh, I know.
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I had mentioned I didn t watch it in some previous episode and people were like, what is wrong?
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It s interesting.
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It s probably just me being sensitive and defensive.
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It was almost like, why wouldn t you be?
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Not just like it s a coincidence I haven t seen it.
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All that to say, I watched it for Juno.
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And I watched it with the girls, and they immediately loved it, and we had an incredible time watching it.
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And we plowed through six episodes, and we re all excited to watch it again as a family.
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Oh yeah, I mean, I know so many people who just are obsessed with, everyone is, I mean, it s huge.
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My explanation is like comedy, I just generally, very rare I m gonna check out a half hour comedy.
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Yeah, okay, so we ve done this week out of order, just FYI, BTS, so we recorded Noah last week, oh, who will be on Thursday.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We recorded someone.
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It s okay, it s fucking Fargo week, the expert s gonna be Noah, it s all right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We re already spoiling.
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We re saying this whole week s gonna be far.
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We also said it in her episode.
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We said, that ll be on Thursday.
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Oh, yes, yes, yes.
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So I think it s fine.
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Yeah, it s a little late.
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Cat s out of the bag, horse is out of the barn.
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Yes, Noah Hawley is on Thursday.
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We did that earlier.
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And at that point, I had not seen the show.
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At all?
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No, I thought you were halfway through.
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None of us have seen the finale.
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I hadn t started.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Oh, don t you want to go back in time now a little bit?
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No, I hadn t seen it.
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And it made me excited to see it.
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I already was excited because everyone had been talking about her.
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But then when he came on, it really got me excited to see it.
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And so then I binged it so fast.
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I watched, yes.
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I finished it before you.
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I was done.
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Yeah, you did.
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You started way... It was like you gave me a head start.
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You gave me like a month and a half head start, and then you blasted by me.
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I feel like you were on episode eight.
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And I started and then I finished.
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Yeah, I was in the second to last episode.
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Because when he was here, it was the day, or you know, three days before the finale.
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Yeah.
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And then I didn t watch it because I was in the dunes.
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Yeah.
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And then I watched it Sunday night.
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I watched it so fast, I loved it.
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I thought it was very powerful.
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But I will say, and this is why we do this, and I think it could sound like a cop-out, and sometimes I wonder if it s a cop-out.
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Normally, when we do these shows, you obviously have seen the movies, the shows, you come in with pre-existing knowledge.
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I don t.
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Right.
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It s kind of like, I don t so I can be the audience.
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It s really true because by the time I edited him, I ve edited him, I had seen it.
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And then I was getting in my head.
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Oh, you re confused about what the lay person would know.
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Yes, I couldn t, it was very hard for me to do.
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And now we ve had Juno and I have seen all of it and it did cross my mind as we were interviewing her, I should have waited.
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You ve lost all perspective.
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I really have.
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And I know we got a little nitty gritty.
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We did.
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You re gonna have to trim.
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I will.
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It s just like, there is a reason that I don t and I think it s smart that I don t.
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The point is to get people excited.
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Yes.
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And when it s so, I so tear it.
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I have read so many comments that I m delighted to have read from people who had no idea who Dave Byrd was and went and immediately started watching the show and loved it.
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Yeah.
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I hope people really watch this show and watch this season because the storyline is very powerful.
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Yeah.
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It s also, and I m going to add the antidote to that because you could listen to what we just talked about because it is heavy and important and impactful and think it s just some kind of lecture on domestic.
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It s also just a kick-ass action season.
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Yeah.
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It s like so- It is, but it s- There s so much twisty- It wouldn t be interesting to me if it was just that.
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No, I know, but we ve already, like, I think we ve done a good job explaining the importance and the weight of the project.
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I also wanna add, it s a fucking blast of a shoot- em-up show.
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Yeah, it is.
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And like Home Alone style stuff.
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Oh my God, there was so much Home Alone, which I loved, I loved.
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Yeah, I love Home Alone.
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Yeah, it s one of your faves.
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One of your all-time faves.
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It is, it is.
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Is there anything else, facts?
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I have two more facts.
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Okay.
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So she won her BAFTA Rising Star Award in 2013.
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Okay, four years off on that.
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24 years old.
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And movies where people jump out of windows.
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Oh, great, thank you.
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So we ve got The Exorcist.
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Never seen it.
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Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Oh, ding, ding, ding.
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She must have really related to that.
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Antichrist, Willem Dafoe.
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Oh, love it.
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Bill Dafoe.
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And Rush Hour.
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Oh.
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I ve seen it.
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They jump out and glide down.
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Also.
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Die Hard.
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Die Hard.
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No, well that for sure, but also Lethal Weapon.
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I guess, she jumps off a balcony.
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Well I had a hard time finding, is this an action jump out a window?
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or it s kind of suicidal in tone when we talked about it.
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We re talking about Monica jumping to her death.
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Yeah.
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We ve seen that trope a bunch.
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Chips, guy jumps out of a helicopter.
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Gremlins, Wizard of Oz, Total Recall, Nightmare on Elm Street, Airplane.
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It s a device, it s a trope.
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It is.
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I used it.
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I m knock on wood, not gonna jump on it.
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Unless it s in a movie.
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Into an airbag and I need a lot of I need a lot of like yeah knowledge that there s safety measures in place Before I ll act like squid games to Squid games to the challenge you re gonna be on that.
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Yeah I liked it already before
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What if I win $4.2 million on Squid Game s Challenge?
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Squid Game s Challenge did ruin, I think, probably a lot of reality competition shows.
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Yesterday, I started that show, The Traitor, or Traitors, or something.
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Oh, I don t know about that.
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How did you end up starting that?
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Someone told me to watch it, and then I just wanted something easy.
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And then I started it, and it s a reality competition show, kind of like Werewolves and Villagers, where it s a household of people, but some of them are
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Celebrities and some aren t and then at the begin in the first episode tell me about some of the celebrities
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that are involved?
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Yeah, someone from Real Housewives.
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Ryan Lochte, the swimmer.
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Oh, sure, putting his foot in his mouth.
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He faked that he had been hijacked.
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Remember in Brazil, he pretended he was- Something weird happened.
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He had a whole fake story about being assaulted or kidnapped.
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I don t remember it being kidnapped.
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Yeah, he was at a gas station.
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It was a whole crazy story.
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It was a real-time fact check.
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Ryan Lochte lies.
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Rio robbery story was a very big mistake.
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There you go.
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Locked gate, they re calling it.
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Locked gate.
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A tale of being robbed in Rio de Janeiro.
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That s not true.
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Okay, so him, oh yeah, it was Brandy from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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And then like some people from Survivor, Big Brother.
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Ceri from Survivor.
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Ceri.
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Perfect.
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Anywho, and then in the first episode, some people are picked as the traitors.
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They have to- Suss out.
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Exactly, they have to figure out who the traders are, and if the traders win, they win the money.
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Yeah.
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Which is really fun and cool, but the money is $250,000, I think split.
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Sure, yeah.
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And now Squid Game s challenge has ruined everything, because it s 4.2 million one person.
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Well, yeah, think about, are you the one which we love so much?
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There s like 20 people splitting a million dollars.
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When you did the math, it was 50 grand.
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Well, that, yeah, this is worse than that.
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$250,000 split, like, probably, I didn t listen to the rules, so I don t know how many people are left at the end.
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Will there only be one person standing?
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I don t think so.
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I think on my Spin the Wheels show, there was a chance at winning 20 million.
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Wow.
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Survivors, one million, compared to Squid Game, that s still not a lot.
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And a lot harder.
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I mean, they had to make the stakes, though, similar to death.
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like misfortune or death.
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I know, except that no one dies.
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It s amazing what they do on that show, Squid Game s Challenge, where you are as invested, even though no one is dying.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They do a great job.
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Well, because they really build up the personal stories and why it would be life-changing to win, and so their real life stakes are involved.
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Yeah, I loved it.
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Me too, I can t wait for another season.
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Anyway, so that, I guess,
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You saw a new show, I saw Ted Lasso.
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Oh, we ve been watching TV, it s gloomy out.
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Yeah, you re experiencing some sad.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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My bus, I guess that s an update, my bus is in a state of disrepair.
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It stopped charging the batteries on the last day in the dunes when the generator was running.
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Despite the fact the generator s producing electricity, it had the air conditioners going and everything, I don t know why it stopped charging.
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Brought it home, thought, well, when I plug it into the 50 amp, it ll start charging.
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Went onto the bus yesterday, dead.
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It s catastrophic when the bus dies.
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There s a fridge on there, there s all those electronics.
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So then I hooked up an actual old-fashioned battery charger directly to the charger and then all morning I m fucking combing the internet for mobile RV repair and
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The result of which was a four plus hour dream last night where shit was overflowing from every possible plumbing outlet in this weird house that wasn t my house, but it was my house.
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And it was so disgusting.
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None of it was mine.
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And I just couldn t get out of that dream and I couldn t get away from all the shit.
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It s so weird.
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And I told you that I also had a weird dream last night where I was in college, but it wasn t my college, but I was in college.
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You were there, also my friend, Matt.
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Oh, I was there.
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You left that out the first time.
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Oh, well, you were there.
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And Matt, my friend, Matt.
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How could you have left this out?
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Well, it wasn t that critical of a part.
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Okay.
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But you were there and- I feel very honored.
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I would have loved to, yeah, thank you.
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I m sorry.
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And you re welcome.
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Yeah.
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You were there and my friend Matt Lischke was there.
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We also went to college at the same time.
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And there was a lot of glass, like the college had a lot of glass.
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Very modern campus.
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Yeah.
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We were in a lecture and the professor was explaining a concept and everyone understood.
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Everyone understood.
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I actually think it started out as you and then you turned into Matt.
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Okay.
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Does that ever happen in your dreams?
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Absolutely.
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People morph.
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Half the dream is about one human and then they seamlessly become another human.
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I know, it s odd.
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Yeah.
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But okay.
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And then probably also incredibly transparent.
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Like the people probably have a quality that you re still wrestling with in both people or something.
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Like whatever weird psychological thing your brain s trying to iron out, both people represent a similar challenge.
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Maybe.
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I m not saying that s the case in this case, but I definitely think that s perhaps what s happening.
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Yeah.
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It also could just be what you thought about that day.
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There s so much.
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Yeah.
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Who d you see on TV?
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Yeah, because who told us that dreams are, is- Putting memories in filing cabinets.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think that s right.
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So anyway, the professor was teaching a concept and everyone understood it and I could not get it.
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And I kept asking questions and I, and I think part of it, it was so frustrating because I think it didn t make sense.
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Like it was actually nonsensical, but everyone,
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else acted like they knew or they did know, but there was nothing to really know.
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A sane man in an insane world may appear to be insane.
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Yes, exactly.
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You were the only person there that knew this was hogwash.
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But I wasn t like, you guys, this is insane.
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I internalized.
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I was like, why can t I get this?
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And I could not get out of that dream.
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We were both in the shit.
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We were trapped.
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We were both trapped.
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We were trapped.
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You were trapped in shit and I was trapped in my mind.
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You were trapped in... College.
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Confusion.
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Yeah.
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What s it mean?
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Rob, did you have any freaky dreams that you were trapped?
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Not last night, I don t think.
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Do you remember any of your dreams last night?
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Not last night, no.
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All right, well, it s not gonna be every night that we remember our dreams.
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When they re brutal.
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And I m listening to the weirdest fucking book.
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I don t even know, I think I ve already told you this, I don t know who suggested it.
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Because generally every book in my thing is someone has suggested it.
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But it s like, when we fail to stop understanding everything.
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Let s see, it s called, When We Cease to Understand the World.
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And it s all these physicists over different periods.
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It also involves all this weird stuff about like the creation of cyanide and this blue paint that it comes from, this beautiful blue color that only exists from cyanide.
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And all these physicists and they all kind of lose their minds.
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That s a common theme.
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So- Do you think they lose their minds because of like- Trapped in.
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In the dream.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, it s a perfect book for me to fall asleep because it s physics.
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It s so dense.
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Yeah.
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And yet it s, it s a very horrific book.
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So much of it is gory and it s very weird book.
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I like it, but I don t even know what s going on.
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It s just, we keep, it s like an anthology of all these different people have lost their marbles and prove different things.
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I guess maybe what the theme is, is like there is a sweet spot for all these people.
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Einstein obviously has a complete paradigm shift and a breakthrough with the theory of relativity.
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There s a moment in life where no physicist on the planet understands the universe as well as he does.
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But later in life, he doesn t understand quantum physics.
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He kind of goes out swearing off quantum physics.
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And so that s interesting, like how a guy who could see through something couldn t keep up with where it went.
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And how confusing for these people, because there s moments in all their lives where they re the smartest person in the world, but then they tip, they go into a zone that no one understands what they re saying anymore.
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Likely they re not correct any longer.
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It s like being a victim of success in a way.
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It is.
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I mean, you can only be the number one for so long.
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Yes, and I think it s even trickier when you have defined yourself as someone who can see things other people can t, and you were right.
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When you then become wrong, I don t know how one would evaluate that they re wrong, because it s the same feeling they had at the beginning when no one understood what the fuck they were talking about.
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And now here they are again, and last time they were right, but this time they were wrong.
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I feel for him.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Does that make any sense?
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Yeah, it does.
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It does.
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In the same way, this is very unpopular for me to say.
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I ve said it before, I ll say it again.
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It s very unpopular.
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It s not a good opinion, but I do think it s the reality of things.
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And this in no way condones his behavior, but I think so many people were like, how could Bill Clinton, this smart of a human being, be getting a blow job in the Oval Office?
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It seems crazy.
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But if you remind yourself that their entire life has been doing things that you weren t supposed to be able to accomplish and do, and pretty much the pattern you ve observed in life is that really, no, the rules that apply to normal people don t apply to you.
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He s the youngest governor ever, then he s the very young president, impossibly.
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He returns to the governorship after being kicked out, like all these things, just constant thing that if the rules that were applying to everyone else applied to him, he wouldn t be there.
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and make stupid decisions.
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A lot of them worked out.
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Yeah, but also I think some people, well, two things.
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One, I think some people can t help but just push the boundaries.
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And again, that s a double-sided coin.
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And pushing the boundaries and becoming president is a huge accomplishment.
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But then you re going to push boundaries in other ways, too, and see what you can
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subconsciously, see what you can get, see what your limits are.
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And then also a lot of people really cannot help but self-sabotage.
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Everything is exactly as you wanted it to be.
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Roseanne.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, just repeatedly takes herself out.
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Can t help but do it.
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It s sad.
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Yeah, I find it heartbreaking in Roseanne s case.
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It s less heartbreaking in Bill s case, obviously, because he s an empowered male.
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I find it sad because I think it has so much to do with true self-esteem and value, yeah.
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Yeah, and believing you deserve the things you have and you don t think you do.
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So you enact the karma that you think you deserve for something.
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Yeah, I wonder.
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What are you wondering?
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We re in a really juicy spot right now, because we ve both been doing this way too long today.
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We ve done nine interviews.
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Yeah, I don t like telling people that.
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Why?
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It feels like we re complaining.
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I know we re not.
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Oh, I m not complaining at all.
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I know, I just don t want it to ever seem like that.
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Oh no, no, I m delighted.
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It s an honor and a privilege.
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It really is, I m delighted to do it, but we have real human capacities, you and I, and sometimes we blow by them.
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Pivot, I was thinking about something.
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Okay.
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So, so.
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Here we go.
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Things are weird, I think weird things happen.
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Like if you farted and threw up right now, I would be like.
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Don t wish that on me, number one.
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I m wishing it on me.
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Okay, well, you know my favorite podcast, Nobody s Listening, right?
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Love it so much.
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I m gonna out myself.
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Okay.
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I listen to that show almost every day.
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Is it on every day?
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Yeah, they put out that much content?
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No, they are once a week.
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Then how are you doing this?
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You re re-listening?
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Yeah.
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To one episode all week?
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Sometimes I go back to other ones, no judgment, okay?
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But they also have YouTube and- So you ll listen first and watch?
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I normally watch first and then I ll listen.
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At night, it is a lullaby.
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And I am hesitant to say that because it does make me sound crazy.
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Watch your words.
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You don t need to ever- You re not allowed to say crazy anymore, but you can say bad shit.
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No, I don t think you ever need to put that word in.
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I would never call you crazy, but I d call you bad shit because that s kind of a funny thing to call someone Well, but we know why it brings me comfort blah blah blah But often for our show, I think my god, what are we doing like five times a week?
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We re flooding.
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This is too much for people But then in my own personal life, I m listening to the same show every night wishing I would die I d be so thrilled
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If they had a nightly one for you.
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Yeah.
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Just hire them to make you a show every day.
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I ve asked.
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I want them to send it to me a little early.
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Okay, well then it is gonna be out of it.
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No, this is a classic attic behavior.
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It s like you re gonna buy Coke for the party on Friday, but you re gonna pick it up on Wednesday.
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Bad idea.
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You re gonna go through it before Friday comes.
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This is not good.
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Okay, yeah.
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Anyway, so.
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Tune in next week.
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Actually, tune in tomorrow.
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We need to close on that.
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Tune in tomorrow.
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Bonus episode tomorrow.
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Yeah, bonus episode tomorrow.
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Fargo week.
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Also, you re probably frustrated, because either the Lions won and are going to the Super Bowl, or they haven t won and are not going to the Super Bowl.
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So either I would be ecstatic right now, or I would be depressed and jumping out of a window like the many films we just listed.
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Yes.
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And so if you re curious why I m in neither state of mind, it s because I haven t seen it yet.
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Tune in Thursday to see how you are.
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Yes, Thursday, you ll know.
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Get my full reaction of the football game Thursday.
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Don t forget to tune in.
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It s going to drive so many more listeners.
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Yeah, OK, great.
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Great.
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All right.
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Well, I love you.
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Love you.