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hello hi what is your name juniper juniper what s up juniper it s the gecko guy holy shit holy shit oh my god i m literally getting fucking brisket sandwiches
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You re getting brisket sandwiches.
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In my head, I m like, I can tell that the excitement that I sense from you over the phone is significantly more related to the brisket sandwiches than it is to being on this phone call right now.
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And I am with you on that.
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I m vicariously excited about the brisket sandwiches.
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Yes and no.
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Juniper, what s going on, dude?
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SPEAKER_00
Well, right now I can t find my husband s credit card.
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Why is your husband paying for the brisket sandwiches?
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SPEAKER_00
Because he s nice.
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That s good.
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That s a good reason.
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He s like basically my sugar daddy.
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Well, that s a box of nerds.
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He s your brisket daddy.
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SPEAKER_00
My brisket daddy.
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Yes, brisket daddy.
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That s cool.
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Damn, I haven t eaten all day.
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I gotta maybe I ll get a brisket.
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No, no, that s literally why we re getting brisket sandwiches right now.
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It s because I also haven t eaten all day.
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That s a that s I feel like you got I don t know if a brisket sandwich is a good I m no nutritionist, obviously.
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But I don t know if a brisket sandwich is a good way to start right?
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Because I mean, that s gonna knock you on your fucking ass.
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Well, obviously,
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That s so cool.
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Well, June June Juniper.
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Yeah, Junie Junie Junie.
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What s up, Junie?
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How you doing?
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Um, I am functional.
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That s a blessing in today s universe.
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Well, Jennifer, it says here, you texted me, you wanted to say, um, I own a bakery and I work as a phone sex operator while baking cakes.
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Yeah, dude.
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Um, so I m literally up until like the ass crocodile on some days making cakes.
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Right.
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Um,
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Because it s just me.
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Like, I don t have like a staff or anything.
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It s just me.
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So, um, I don t know.
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I just kind of figured one day... I feel bad for the dude who s making my sandwiches and getting my tights and shit right now.
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He s just having to hear half the phone call.
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It s fine.
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Um, but anyway, so yeah, no, I, since I m like up in the odd hours of the night, I was just like,
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You know, fuck it, we ball.
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Let s make some extra cash on the side here.
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I did this in college just for like shits and giggles and, you know, paid my rent pretty quickly and easily.
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And now here we are.
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So you re like moaning into a phone while baking a Danish.
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Yeah, deadass.
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Like, I have, um, a Bluetooth headset.
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Like, I just have, like, a... I have a really... I have, like, a fancy headset because, um, the HVAC system at the kitchen is really fucking loud.
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And, um, I m not about to have, like, random dudes be like, why is there so much feedback?
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You know?
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Because it s always, like, boomers and middle-aged people.
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Not always.
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It depends on the day.
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But, um,
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So I m gonna take it.
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Do you make more money doing the phone sex or the or the baking?
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Well, um, I only started up doing that again like a week and a half ago so Jury s still out on that, but I ll update you come back to me in a month.
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I guess the phone sex.
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There s not a lot of There s not a lot of overhead
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Although I think if you re a phone sex operator, you should be able to write your fucking phone plan off on your taxes.
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SPEAKER_00
Shit, you re so right, but I m also on my parents  phone plan.
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Do they know what you re using it for?
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SPEAKER_00
No, no, they have no idea.
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That s funny.
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That s cool, man.
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But you own your own bakery.
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How d you get into doing that?
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That s pretty awesome.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, yeah, I ve been doing that for a minute now.
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So I, uh, how did I get into this?
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I don t know.
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I was just like, always really like baking and, um, I m like really fucking good at, you know, making cool shit with frosting.
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Um, and I also have a full-time job that I fucking hate.
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So, you know.
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So you have three gigs.
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You re doing the phone sex, you re doing the baking and you have another job.
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What s your other job?
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I work in IT.
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Oh, okay.
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Lots of two phone call related pursuits.
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Literally.
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No, I was like, I might as well do a job that doesn t make me want to kill myself at the end of the day.
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And then one that s like way more entertaining.
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Do you ever forget to turn off the phone sex voice when somebody calls you about their computer not turning on?
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I have not run into that issue at this point.
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But I do occasionally forget to answer the call as my IT persona whenever I m taking calls about the bakery.
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Right, right.
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Oh, I thought you were going to be like, you use your IT persona in the phone sex because that would also be funny.
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SPEAKER_00
No.
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Oh, man.
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Oh, man, that would not go well.
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Okay, so you re doing a whole fucking hell of a lot, man.
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That s three g- And so you- How did you go about, like, starting this bakery?
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Like, is it a brick and mortar thing?
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Like, do you have a place?
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Like, you have, like, a location in a place?
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Yeah, the brick and mortar place, uh, started- So I actually moved into it in, like, August.
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I was baking out of my house for years.
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It sucked.
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It was messy.
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It s so messy.
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Sorry if you heard that, I was thanking the brisket guy.
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That s the sound of a bag of brisket sandwiches crumbling.
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That is the sound of the brisket sandwiches.
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Hold on now, now we re gonna traverse the parking lot and it s cold and windy and shitty.
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Nice.
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Do you so like, is the goal to go full time on the baking?
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Is that is that where the real passion lies?
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Yes, because I am a creative girly.
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I... Oh, fuck.
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Okay, we re good.
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Hold on, hold on.
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You didn t... Don t... Please don t tell me you dropped one of the sandwiches.
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SPEAKER_00
No, no.
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SPEAKER_00
I almost lost, um... Fuck me.
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Lost my car.
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There we go.
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Um... No, I almost lost some other stuff on my passenger seat.
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Trying to put the sandwiches on top of it.
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So, we re good.
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Now, okay.
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So, what is your bake... Your bakery?
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What s the, like, big magnum opus dish?
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What are you guys known for?
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So I mostly just do cakes, but everything I make is dietary restriction friendly.
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So like everything I make is vegan, but then I ll do like, I don t know.
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I ve been doing a lot of diet-free stuff recently because people don t want to give their kids dyes, which is, I guess, fair.
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But, you know, gluten-free, soy-free, sugar-free, et cetera.
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Have you ever thought about like erotic cakes?
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That could be like mixing of your two niches.
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I have done a few cakes that are not safe for work for sure.
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I love those.
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Those are my favorites.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, that s cool.
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Hmm is there any there s like I have so many This is so interesting trifecta of a life that you re living.
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Are you happy?
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Are you enjoying life, or do you not you mentioned not wanting to kill yourself, or how are you doing on that?
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Oh?
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Yeah, we re doing great.
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I m on hello loft and You know I also have a mood stabilizer because I have bipolar disorder so I m fast cool
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This is, I don t know why I m sharing this, but I was, I was thinking today, I was like, dude, if I died, I don t, it would take, like, I think it would take a long time for anyone to, like, find me.
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Rip.
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That was sad.
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Nah, let s go back to talking about cakes.
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I feel like people would be like, yo, why the fuck is the gag not, uh, streaming?
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And they would get concerned, you know?
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Um, does the chat, anyone in the chat have any questions for, um, for, for, uh, Junie?
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Yeah.
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Someone asks, how do you have three jobs and be neurodivergent?
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I don t know if that s offensive, but I think I think I think they re saying it in like an oh, I m impressed way.
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Yeah, well.
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I m also a wedding DJ.
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So what but you re also how many fucking jobs do you have?
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You re like a renaissance lady of Missouri.
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And I m a model part-time bonus.
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You re a model wedding DJ phone sex operator Baker IT person.
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Yes.
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What is your husband think of the phone sex gig?
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I didn t care.
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What is your best... He gets annoyed mostly because the calls will like interrupt my life or whatever, occasionally.
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So like, you know, we ll be watching a movie like on the couch and then I ll be like, hey, I m gonna go take this.
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And he ll be like, fuck.
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Don t make the money, but also fuck you.
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Yeah, he probably thinks he s probably like, damn, she s on the phone.
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She s probably he probably thinks right now that that the brisket sandwiches are late because of a phone sex thing.
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Oh God, I forgot he was waiting on the sandwiches.
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Nah, fuck him.
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Let s keep doing that.
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What s your best phone call story?
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That s what someone asked.
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Best or strangest?
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Strangest.
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You know, I ve had, I m still thinking about this one from the other day because, um, I don t know.
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This one was just so wild, because it was so out of the blue.
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I forgot I was even in, like, the phone sex queue, because I was just, like, doing my own thing.
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Like, I was, like, listening to the podcast and baking cakes.
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I was just, like, in the zone.
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And it was 2.17 in the morning.
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And I get a call, and it s this dude.
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And I shit you not, the call, like, ended almost as fast as it started.
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Like, he was literally, like, just jerking off two pictures of my tit and telling me that he liked my tit.
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And I was just like, oh yeah, you like my tits?
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And that was it, he came almost instantly.
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And now I wake up every other day to him just sending me money.
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He ll be like, I hope you have a good day, here s five bucks.
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That s cool.
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Damn, wait, so all you hit him with was, yeah, you like my tits, and that did the job?
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Yeah, literally.
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That s pretty cool.
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It was the most bizarre thing.
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I loved it, but also I was just like... Has anyone from real life called your sex line?
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Not that I know of.
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They did, they used a fake name.
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What is the most common fantasy from phone sex that you ve seen?
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I haven t really had any like...
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I guess the common like fantasy is that the person that they re talking to is their girlfriend or someone that they re going out on dates with consistently and often.
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I have a couple people, like I said, I literally just started doing this up again like a week and a half ago.
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And I already have a couple people who are just like, we have an emotional relationship.
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Are you getting calls from London?
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No.
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Oh, God.
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No.
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Okay.
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Cause you did a little like a British accent there just now.
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I don t know.
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I do that sometimes where I m just like, I don t know.
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Uh, I don t know.
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It s not, it s almost like for emphasis or just like, like extra, I guess.
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I don t know.
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But I do that sometimes.
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Um, let me see if there s one last.
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No one s ever acknowledged that before.
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There s also a facial expression that goes with it.
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Well, look, a lot of people in the chat, they re saying you re an inspiration and, um, I agree.
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I think, I think that s, that s, that s your, you re a modern day, uh, renaissance woman.
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Uh, you re, you re, you re, you know, you re, you re, you re the woman living the busy, the busy life.
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You re like, uh,
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What s her face?
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Jennifer whatever.
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I don t know.
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I don t even know what I m talking about, but I hope that you continue to not want to die I hope that you continue You re living the Abraham Lincoln Vision of whatever you are be a good one
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So keep rockin  in the free world, Junie.
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Is there anything else that you wanted to say about any of these gigs or about life or anything at all that we didn t cover?
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I feel like there s, I don t know, are you hiding a sixth job?
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SPEAKER_01
Are you in the military too?
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What s up?
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Hit us.
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SPEAKER_00
No, no, fuck the military.
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SPEAKER_00
I m not doing that.
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Absolutely, fuck that noise.
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I guess if anybody wants to try and search through the massive wave of phone sex operators, I m on Night Flirt.
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What is Night Flirt?
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That s the service that I go through.
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There like was a couple people in the chat being like, so, just asking for a friend, if anyone wanted to let us know where.
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You can plug if you want.
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Night Flirt.
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N-I-T-E Flirt.
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Um, well, uh, Junie, good luck.
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Enjoy your brisket sandwiches.
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You ve earned them.
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And, uh, I will, I will, I will, uh, I will pray for you.
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Oh my God.
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Thank you.
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I love you.
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Bye.
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I bet I, I, you know, well, you know, it s funny.
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I went to, um, so I went to AVN like a year ago and I interviewed this guy who like, he s a straight dude, but like, he ll do like sex work stuff for gay guys.
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And it s like, I do want, I m like, I don t, I wouldn t do it myself.
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Not that I think there s anything wrong with it, but I, I, I have wondered before.
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I m like, how far could I get just doing,
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And I wouldn t talk in a sexy voice.
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I would just, I would do phone sex in the voice that I am talking in right now.
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Like how far could I get?
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Being like, I want to touch your penis.
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Yes.
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That is a, that is a mighty fine penis.
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It sounds like you have there, sir.
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Like, could I make $15 doing that?
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I don t know.
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Maybe, maybe one day we ll find, if people stop listening to this podcast, that s what I ll do.
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Hey folks, this is Lyle.
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I am very excited to announce that I am going back on tour in 2024 to do Therapy Gecko Live all across the country.
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If you ve never been to one of my live shows before, they re basically like giant group gecko therapy sessions where people from the audience come on stage to talk to a gecko about whatever they want, just like we do right here on the podcast.
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Plus, I mix in a few stories and presentations and little tidbits from my own life.
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Tickets are available right now at TherapyGeckoTour.com or you can find the link in the episode description.
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I m announcing many more cities in the second half of the year, but right now, tickets are on sale for Phoenix, Arizona, Louisville, Kentucky, St.
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Louis, Missouri, Orlando, Florida, Tampa, Florida, Miami, Florida,
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Boston, Massachusetts, Denver, Colorado, Syracuse, New York, Albany, New York, Hartford, Connecticut, Las Vegas, Nevada, Salt Lake City, Utah, Nashville, Tennessee, Huntsville, Alabama, Chicago, Illinois, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, San Jose, California, San Francisco, California,
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Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington.
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And you can get tickets for all of those cities at therapygeckotour.com.
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If you didn t hear me say your city, you can still go to the link and hit the RSVP button to get notified for when I do come to your city in the second half of the year.
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This is my third tour so far, and I think it s gonna be sick.
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So I hope to see you there.
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Thanks.
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SPEAKER_00
Call from Gage.
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Hello?
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Hello?
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Hey, what s up, man?
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SPEAKER_00
Hey, am I- is this Gage?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, is this Gage?
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Oh yeah, sweet.
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Sweet, I m on.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_01
So Gage, what s up, man?
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How s life?
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Pretty good.
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Pretty dang good.
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You know, I made a pretty big move recently.
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SPEAKER_00
I cannot lie.
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SPEAKER_00
I moved from California to Louisiana.
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SPEAKER_01
That s not that big of a move.
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SPEAKER_01
I thought you were going to say you moved from California to Uzbekistan or something.
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SPEAKER_01
That would be a big move.
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California to Illinois or wherever you just said.
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SPEAKER_01
That s not that bad.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, every state is the same.
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I ve been to most of the states.
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I haven t been to all of them, but I ve been to most of them.
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And they all are the same.
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I m sorry.
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Well, maybe not exactly the same, but they all
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the same gist there s a 7-eleven there s people walking around there s sure sure okay well gauge a very happy vibe well you know being in the South I guess I have not experienced the South too much anybody on the west coast I would highly
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suggest just getting out, just traveling.
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I think that s what you gotta do.
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Experience some of the states.
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Um, where did you move?
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Why did you move from California to Louisiana?
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We can get, Oh, we can get pretty deep into it, but, uh, I ll just give you the gist of it.
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I was just paying a lot of rent.
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Uh, as soon as I turned 18, my brother was having me pay like a thousand a month.
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Um,
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And that was like covering everything.
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We re talking rent, electricity.
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But during that year, like two years, there was like on and offs where I didn t have Wi-Fi.
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During the summer, I didn t have AC.
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And what really happened, what really went down is one year, my brother got a girlfriend, right?
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Completely, like completely blindsided me and decided to go on a trip.
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to like Las Vegas with his girlfriend.
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And they went and they got married.
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And like when he came home, he s like, hey, this is your new sister-in-law.
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I m like, what?
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What in the world?
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Like my whole my whole world kind of got turned upside down.
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She was living with us for a couple of years.
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So it was it was wild.
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But do you not like this person?
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Well, she just she was so new in my life, you know, she wasn t
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She, like, came in my life for, like, a week, and then she was permanently there.
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She was very childish.
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She had, like, a lot of, uh... What s the word?
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Just childish behaviors, you know?
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She, uh... She wouldn t talk to me that much.
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It was very strange, but... I m gonna get- I m gonna cut down.
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This is gonna get real serious.
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Because I don t think I ve heard anyone speak about this, but... What happened was, my...
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My brother and his girlfriend, they had a child together and they went through the whole thing, right?
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Having a child, staying up late, changing diapers, arguing all night, like arguing, yelling with a baby in their hands type shit.
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So it got bad.
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And what happened one night was I was off at a friend s house.
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I came home, I pull up into my driveway and there s like, well, I m getting like,
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shakiness in my voice.
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There s like two cop cars in front of my driveway.
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I m like, what the fuck s going on?
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They re like, Hey, you need to call your brother.
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You need to call someone.
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You don t know what s going on.
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I m like, no, no idea.
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So I call my brother.
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He talks to me on the phone.
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He s like, Hey man, I m really sorry you had to hear this, but your little sister just passed away.
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Like I m at the hospital right now with Rose.
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We re trying to figure out what happened.
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And I m just completely blown away.
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I like pull over to the side of the road.
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I m like,
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breathing heavy, I m just like, whoa, this is my brother s first kid.
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And I was, oh shit, I was one of my 29.
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So I was like 19.
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So it was just heavy on me.
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And so I stayed with my other brother who lived in San Diego also for a minute, just a week.
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to give him some space, him and his wife.
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Hold on, one second here, man.
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You said your niece passed away?
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When you said little sister, you mean, was it your niece?
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Yeah, yeah, my niece.
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I m sorry to hear that.
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That s wild, man.
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Do you know what happened?
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It was SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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Something where she might have choked on the blanket or on spit or something.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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So it was one of those just random horrific accidents that happened.
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Mm hmm.
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And yeah, I was living with my other brother for a week and I had to take some time off.
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Once I came back, him and his wife, there s like a I don t know the whole thing, but there s
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like a rate of divorce that happens when the baby passes away.
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They re either going to stay together or they re not.
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And so they decide to split up.
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And it was so hard on my brother.
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He was like such a strong, it s like, you know, that cliche of a man who never shows his feelings, who always is very, what s the word here?
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He s
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closed, mechanical, very mechanical.
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He likes to think things in a logical way.
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That s what I was like before.
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He s very logical.
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So like when feelings are involved, he s very closed off.
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He doesn t open up.
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So that was like having cry in my arms as I held him.
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Like it just it shook me because he was always my rock and seeing my rock like waver and
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It was hard, but dude, that was one of the crazier parts.
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Also, while they were in Las Vegas, I had to bail him out of jail.
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I had to pay like $500.
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to avail court.
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It sounds as though to me that, I mean, I m very sorry to hear what happened to your brother, but it does sound as though to me that the relationship between them two dissipating sounds like it was for the best if they were fighting all the time.
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No, it definitely was for the best, but it was one of those things.
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It affected me when I didn t think it would.
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And I kept telling myself, this doesn t affect me.
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I m strong.
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It s not my relationship, but when they re arguing every night and like He would he would get like violent, but he never like would hit her He would like push her maybe like for some reason lay on top of her like take her keys Like one time he s a mechanic, right?
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So he took off the the wheel off her car so she couldn t leave the house Like just like really weird kind of messed up shit that like it kind of doesn t seem messed up, but it is kind of fucked up
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Isn t that like, that s like false imprisonment?
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Right?
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SPEAKER_00
Maybe, maybe, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, anyway, I m not a warrior gecko, I m a gecko gecko.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, so, Gage, you, I mean, your brother is in this crazy toxic relationship, this horrible thing happens, and then you, you re like, I m just, I gotta just get the fuck out of here and move somewhere else?
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Yeah, so, uh, the family in Louisiana, in, uh, New Orleans, actually, they, um,
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I helped them move here two years prior to this all happening because they were living in San Diego too, but it was, it s so expensive in California right now with the gas prices, property taxes and all that.
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So they moved out here and they have like a nice like two story house and some ponds and you know, backyard and stuff.
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And like while they were moving, they kept trying to ask me cause I ve always been moving around between my brothers and
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living with other people that they re like, hey, you should come live with us.
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We have a family already, because they have an adopted family.
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They took me in.
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And it s been really nice.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, having to work straight from moving has been a little tough, because I had to start this construction job like a weekend.
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But it s really good money.
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SPEAKER_00
I m making $20 an hour.
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And I m working five days a week.
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So I can t complain, really.
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SPEAKER_00
That s a lot better than what other people have out here.
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SPEAKER_01
So, um, all right.
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So you moved from California to Louisiana, you got your construction site job.
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Do you have any friends out there?
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Like what are your, do you have a good community?
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SPEAKER_00
No, not really.
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I don t have any friends cause I just haven t built anything.
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I haven t gone to any school.
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, all the guys I m working with are like 30, 40, 50, you know,
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construction job guys.
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So I m just kind of loaning it.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, I got some family coming over for Christmas in a little bit, but other than that, I think it s just been, uh, just kind of alone in it.
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SPEAKER_01
Why d you pick Louisiana of all places in the entire world?
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So many people are telling me that it s just cause I didn t have to pay rent.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t have to pay rent while I m living with them right now.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00
All right.
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So you re living with your, you re living with your extended family.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They re, they re like adopted family, right?
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They adopted.
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Okay.
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I m not related to them at all through blood.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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Are you, uh, are you, are you, do you, what are your, what are your plans moving forward?
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Are you going to leave Louisiana?
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Yeah, I haven t, I wanted to try it out.
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You know, I think maybe feel like if you re going to,
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stay here anywhere, or stay anyplace, you gotta at least maybe be there for a year or two.
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But I ve heard the heat is intolerable sometimes, and you re just sweating.
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It s that different type of southern heat.
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I don t know if you ve experienced that, Nick, but I got to experience a little bit when I came out here in July.
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It was hot.
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You can t escape it.
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You can get wet, but it still clings back on you.
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SPEAKER_01
So do you still, are you still in contact with your brother at all?
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Do you still talk to him?
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Nah, I cut off communication just because it was just too much.
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It was, uh, I just didn t feel like it.
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I just didn t, I felt like he could contact me if he, if he wanted to, you know?
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But, I mean, you know, I got a crazier one for you, Geck.
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Crazier one?
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One I ve been wanting to tell you for a while.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, this is, wait, this isn t even what you wanted to talk about?
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SPEAKER_02
I mean, that was sort of what I wanted to talk about, but this is what I ve originally been calling for.
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Okay, go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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All right.
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All right.
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So I m originally from South Dakota.
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I was born on the reservation as a little Native American boy.
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My last name, I don t think anyone cares.
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My last name is Bad Heart Bull.
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So it s like three words, and my whole life everyone s been like, oh, you have such a cool last name, blah, blah, blah.
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And so...
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In South Dakota, I was living with my mom and dad, right?
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My dad, he was just kind of like an alcoholic Native American guy, like didn t have a real job.
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And it got to the point where he was like, abusing my mom too much to where my mom said, okay, I got to get my little boy out of here.
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So she decided to take a bus from South Dakota all the way down to San Diego.
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SPEAKER_02
And that story was like, well,
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It wasn t too crazy, but we just lost our stuff halfway in Colorado.
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We were homeless for like a week.
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And then a really, really nice Samaritan, actually, with food stamps, he got us food and the rest of our ticket back to California.
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But I lost my Game Boy on the way, so that kind of sucks.
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But on the way, once we got to California, right, I didn t know this, but I had other brothers.
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Growing up, it was just me and my mom and my dad, and I didn t know.
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Once we got there, my mom had to take a cab from downtown San Diego to like inland.
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So there s like a hundred dollar cab fare.
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And we show up to the house and my brother s not there, but all his roommates are.
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And his roommates have never met my mom, don t know what I look like.
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And they re just, they re like confused as shit.
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So they call the cops and the cops get there.
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And my mom, she s schizophrenic and diabetic.
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And when we lost all our stuff,
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She also lost all of her medication.
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So she was kind of in and out with episodes.
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She had like schizophrenic episodes and she just didn t know where she was.
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I don t even know how we got there, to be honest.
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But I ended up falling asleep in the back of that cop car because I was just so tired.
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I had flip flops on, some shorts, a tank top.
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And I woke up.
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And then we were in the hospital with my mom because she was getting medication.
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That s when I met my brother for the first time.
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And so my brother, his name s Nate, he s the one who ended up in custody of me once my mom left because he saw my mom and he knew that she couldn t take care of me.
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So it was just that time.
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Gek, I love you, man.
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I might have to end it short here, though.
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Well, Gage, if you gotta go, you gotta go.
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Uh, thanks for telling us about all this stuff, and, uh, good luck to you in the future, man.
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I m sorry that your life has been filled with so much crazy stuff at such a young age, but, um, you know, keep- keep on- you seem like a nice, sweet guy.
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I think- hopefully you ve- you ve, uh, paid your metaphysical dues to this universe, and it ll, uh, reward you at some point.
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I think it will.
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I hope so, Gak.
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I sure hope so.
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I m going to keep, keep on going, you know, try to spread the positivity and keep going, really.
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That s all you can do, man.
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Take every day as a chance to keep fighting for what s right.
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All right.
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Well, take care, Gage.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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Thank you, Gak.
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Have a good one.
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SPEAKER_01
Gak?
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Hey, who s this?
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SPEAKER_00
Chuck, how are you?
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SPEAKER_01
Chuck, what s going on, man?
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SPEAKER_01
How you doing?
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SPEAKER_00
I m good.
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SPEAKER_00
How are you?
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SPEAKER_01
I m actually doing pretty okay right now, man.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, what d you want to talk about today?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I wanted to talk about how I got a guy out of jail that was wrongly convicted of murder.
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SPEAKER_01
Wow.
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What are you a, uh, uh, how d you do that?
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SPEAKER_01
What are you?
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Are you a cop?
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Are you a lawyer?
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Are you?
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SPEAKER_00
Dude, listen to this.
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I was a, I was an intern.
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It was, it was literally, it was literally crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
I was an intern.
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Tell me more.
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Yeah, man.
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So I was interning at this law firm law firms.
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I thought I wanted to be a lawyer.
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Right.
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And they just had me do like paperwork and shit.
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And then one day some dude sent in a letter about how he was in jail for this murder.
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He didn t commit.
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And they took the case on pro bono and we re like,
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Yeah, bro, you re here.
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So like, you might as well help out with the case.
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And I was like, I was like, Okay, cool.
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So yeah, like had to go like meet this dude prison and like, click on the autopsy pictures and like all this crazy shit.
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SPEAKER_01
Wow.
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Well, so he was wrongly accused of murder.
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Dude, so.
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So like the story is that they robbed a Taco Bell.
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And then like murdered this woman.
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But
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It was the guy that was with him, but the police department was corrupt.
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And the lady who was interrogating the guy who actually did it, sucked the dude s dick in the interrogation room.
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SPEAKER_00
What?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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And then the police department didn t want to have that press out.
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So they convicted the guy who was wrongly imprisoned.
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SPEAKER_00
So that press didn t get out.
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SPEAKER_01
Wait a minute.
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Okay.
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Who sucked whose dick in the interrogation room?
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SPEAKER_00
All right.
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Uh, like the interrogator sucked the person who s like, who actually did it.
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SPEAKER_00
He confessed in the interrogation room.
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The interrogator said, this is the last piece of after ever going to get sucked his dick.
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And it was the granddaughter of like the chief of police.
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, you re bullshit.
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There s no way that happens.
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SPEAKER_00
Dude, straight up.
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So like they convicted,
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the guy who actually went to jail, which was his buddy that was like with him.
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OK, all right, I m going to try to all right, I m going to explain this from how I understand it.
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So a guy murders someone.
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Right.
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And then he gets interrogated and the interrogator says, you re going to jail and this is the last piece of ass you re going to get.
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And then sucks his dick.
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And then because the police didn t want the press of that coming out, they let the guy go and imprisoned someone else.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Cause it was the interrogator was the police chief s daughter.
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And it was like,
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Obviously, when I was working on it, it was like 15 is like 1520 years.
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So it s all like really shitty recordings.
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And this is happening like the 2000s.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So the other recordings are really bad, and really choppy.
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And the, the recordings got put into evidence, like four days after they were recorded.
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So they actually altered it.
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So you couldn t hear anything with the interrogation.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, goddamn.
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Dude.
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Yeah, it was cool.
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I mean, it was it was cool.
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SPEAKER_01
Did it ever come out?
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Did the story ever come out?
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SPEAKER_00
So, I mean, once he got out, he was kind of just like.
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SPEAKER_00
So he had a daughter, so he s in jail for 20 years, so I had to teach him how to use like an email, like how to make an email.
3
SPEAKER_01
OK, well, what happened to the guy who got a blowjob?
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Did he go to jail?
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SPEAKER_00
No, nothing.
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SPEAKER_00
Because he s already tried.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, from what I understand, I guess that was an intern, but... Yeah, he didn t go to jail, didn t have any DNA evidence.
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SPEAKER_00
Because they didn t have anything on him, because obviously they altered the voice recordings and shit.
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SPEAKER_01
That s fucking bizarre, man.
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, isn t that crazy?
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SPEAKER_01
Wow, what a summer internship.
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SPEAKER_00
Dude, I literally, yeah, I was like 19, like doing all this crazy shit, I didn t know what I was doing.
3
SPEAKER_01
What are you doing now?
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, I work in sales now.
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okay i am still having trouble i and i don t i
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I know people say all kinds of outlandish things on here, and I typically believe them, but this one, I m not.
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SPEAKER_01
Lyle, I wouldn t lie to you.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t think you would lie to me.
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SPEAKER_01
Lyle, hear me out.
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SPEAKER_01
So, yeah, dude, the whole thing was crazy, but the part about the interrogator and stuff, the issue is, too, everyone s dead now.
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SPEAKER_01
The chief of police is dead.
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SPEAKER_01
The cops that arrested him, they re dead.
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SPEAKER_01
So like, there s not really any, besides some choppy voice recordings and what he said, there s not really any, like any way to prove it, which is why he s not in jail.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, well, shit man.
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SPEAKER_00
What do you sell now?
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SPEAKER_01
Um, I d sell TV ads.
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SPEAKER_00
You sell TV ads, it s so much more boring than what you just described to me.
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, so much more boring.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you like life?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I mean, it s cool.
4
SPEAKER_01
I saw you in Charlotte, that was pretty lit.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, that was fun.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that was a good time.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, I m so happy that everyone I m so happy that everyone the callers are organically mentioning my live shows so that I can Get people to buy tickets to them That s cool, man, that s cool.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, how are you?
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SPEAKER_00
How am I?
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SPEAKER_00
Um, bro, I m, uh, I m okay.
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SPEAKER_00
I m okay.
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SPEAKER_00
I m fine.
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SPEAKER_00
I m like a little, uh, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_00
I feel weird.
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SPEAKER_00
I feel weird airing my shit.
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SPEAKER_00
It s so weird.
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SPEAKER_00
Cause like, I, I, I ve been thinking about this a lot.
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SPEAKER_00
I feel.
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It makes me, like when I talk about things that are wrong, that are going on with me and my personal life, I am like, oh, I m like putting myself out there and maybe I ll regret that one day.
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SPEAKER_00
But I don t, like part of me to my core is like, I should be open about.
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SPEAKER_00
My life like what do I have to who gives a shit?
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SPEAKER_00
So what like I you know, what am I?
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SPEAKER_00
So people know that I m a little sad, you know, what does that affect me?
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SPEAKER_00
Negative or people can use that against me.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t know.
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I what s the point of hiding or maybe it just feels weird to me to like use this
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Podcast is my personal therapy, but maybe that s helpful to people who are listening and that s a worthwhile reason to do it.
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So, I don t know.
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I m neurotic about it.
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I think I m being a baby, to be honest.
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I think when all s said and done... I was on Reddit yesterday.
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I was really depressed yesterday.
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And then I went on Reddit and I saw this...
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Posts about this this guy who just got put in a wheelchair and I was reading it and I was like, oh I m fine.
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You know, I m being a baby.
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I
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Right like nothing close to any of the worst possible things that could happen to me like like a serious injury or death of the family or or or sickness has happened to me and I m fine.
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Whatever, you know, I think I m being a baby.
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I mean, I ve seen a lot of really happy people in wheelchairs back I Guess so
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Yeah, I guess you can still play basketball.
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Yeah, ball out, do some tricks.
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Yeah, dude, I mean, you re allowed to be bummed out.
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What does that mean, though?
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I don t like when people say, like, when people say, like, it s okay to be sad.
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Like, what is that?
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That doesn t mean anything.
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What does that fucking mean?
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What does that fucking mean?
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What do you mean, it s okay to be sad?
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That means nothing.
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I m saying, like, you don t have to compare yourself, like,
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Just because you re on a podcast, like, helping people out, you don t have to, like, be like, oh, this person has it worse than me, I m not allowed to be bummed out.
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No, no, but that s not, it s not about...
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The reason I don t like the phrase, it s okay to be sad or like, cause it s not about like, there s nothing.
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I don t, I m not, I don t need permission from anyone to do any, to do, to feel feelings.
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Like I m allowed to be allowed by who, by what force, by who, what person, by there s no.
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I don t need permission to feel my feelings.
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There s no organization or entity that I need a stamp of approval on my emotions for.
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That s not what I m talking about.
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When I talk about like, oh, there s kids dying in the streets and people in wheelchairs and stuff, that s me thinking like,
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It s me trying to change my perspective and be grateful for the things in my life that are going well because that s all you- all you fucking have, really, is your perspective.
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Like, the mind can make a hell out of- of heaven and a heaven out of hell, right?
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Because, like, you could be- you could be living in a really awesome li- I m living a really...
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on paper cool life but i m my perspective and my brain is like just downer yeah and that s that s my it s a function of my own perspective and you could be you could have uh a shittier you could have a kind of a shitty life i ve talked to people who have like shitty lives but they re they are just happy to be like
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Alive at all like their perspective and their brain is good.
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And so that s what informs their state of being more than anything else and so Like I just I hate I hate the whole you re allowed to be that doesn t make any sense It s like when people well, I like I ve been thinking about this a lot because this is this is another reddit thing Like I read am I the asshole?
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You know, you ve read am I the asshole?
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Yeah, like
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People talk about like, oh, you re valid in your feelings, right?
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I guess I get what that means, right?
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You re saying like, according to the normal baseline of what is considered rational by society and rational by the opinion of other sane human beings, am I rational in my feelings?
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That makes sense.
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Right?
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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When I think about it like that, maybe that s maybe that s what allowed to be sad or okay to feel the way means, but I still, it still just makes me think of like some kind of like authority or something that I m trying to appeal to, which doesn t make any sense.
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Yeah, it could be worse.
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I mean, you could be imprisoned falsely for murder.
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Yeah, while the other guy gets a blowjob and runs away.
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But yeah, I guess that s how I m, I feel good right now because I m, I m, uh, dressed kind of.
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I m in a gecko suit, but I m alive and awake and speaking words and I m not, uh, uh, yes, I woke up at, okay, but this is the last I m going to talk about myself and then we ll take another call.
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But, um, this, I woke up at, in the middle of the night yesterday and went to the bodega down the street for me.
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And I, I got a Yoohoo.
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And, uh, I was like a crack addict.
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I like got a you who, and then I went back and I drank it outside of the bodega.
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And then I just would keep, I kept going in the bodega and back out.
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Like I went in and out and in and out, just like looking at the treats and being like, should I get another chair?
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And I died.
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I, I didn t get another you who, but I wanted one.
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Um, I stayed up until five o clock in the morning watching Charlie and the chocolate factory.
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And, um,
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So that s how I m doing.
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That s so that s my answer to your question.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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Yeah.
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Um, you judge yourself by your intent and everybody else by their actions.
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Ah, ah, yeah.
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Yeah, that s true.
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That s a very true one.
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I could go on a whole rant about that, but I won t.
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We ll save it for another call.
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Take care, buddy.
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Thank you very much for calling.
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Hello?
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Hi, who is this?
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This is Wendy.
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How old are you, Wendy?
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I am 21.
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Rock and roll.
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Wendy, Wendy, Wendy.
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What s going on, Wendy?
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How s life?
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Well, it s been a bit stressful.
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Go ahead.
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Well, first of all, I ve been
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hiding my relationship with my boyfriend from my dad for almost five years.
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And I m afraid to tell him.
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Why have you been hiding your this relationship?
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Well, my dad, he s kind of like, he s very, very strict.
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And
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Well, he doesn t let us go out anywhere.
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It all started when... I m sorry, I m a bit nervous.
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No, don t worry about it.
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But when I was in high school, in 2017, I met this guy.
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And we hit it off really well.
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And I started texting him.
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We started talking.
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And then in 2019, he asked me to be his girlfriend.
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So I said yes.
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And he was an hour away from me.
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And I used to sneak out.
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Can I ask how old this guy was?
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At the time, when I was 16, he was 18.
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Okay.
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That s not that big of a deal.
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Okay.
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And then, um, you ve been keeping this from your dad because he s, he s strict.
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Yes.
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And he s also, like, verbally abusive.
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Do you live with him?
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No, but he s in the process of moving out and I am almost done with my college.
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I just have a year and nine months left.
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And I m afraid if I tell my dad that, hey, I m moving out, you know, he s going to hold a grudge on me.
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And he s not going to want to communicate with me anymore.
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Um, well, well, listen, um, okay.
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So you, you re, you re finishing up college very soon.
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You said, yes.
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Okay.
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And, uh, do you have a job lined up?
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Do you have a way to financially support yourself?
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I feel like I sound like Dave Ramsey.
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For now, I work at a hotel.
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I m a housekeeper.
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Yes, I do.
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And look, here s the thing.
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If you re an adult and you re 21 and you re living with your dad is making you, your life suck.
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I see why you would want to move.
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I mean, are you afraid that he won t want to talk to you anymore if you move?
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Yeah, because there was
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This thing happened between my sister and him.
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They had some kind of conflict.
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She s 19.
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And I guess I had like this huge argument and my sister literally just walked out.
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Okay.
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And then communication off with her.
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Um, I don t know your dad.
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I m not gonna pretend like I know your dad, but, um,
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Like, your parents are not allowed to possess you.
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Especially when you re an adult.
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They re not allowed to possess you.
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They re not allowed to get, you know, it s weird for them to get upset and weird when you go out and try to live your life.
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I don t know why they do that.
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I don t know why your dad s the way he is.
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I m not gonna pretend like I know about any of this shit, but like... You know, your dad wanting to not talk to you because you are no longer under his control financially and living in his house is his problem.
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You know?
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I mean, you, as an adult with a job, are endowed with the privilege of living your own fucking life.
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You know?
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And, um, I m not gonna tell you what to do, Wendy, but, um... You know, I think, in general, it s probably a good idea to take advantage of that endowment and go live your own life.
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What if he says no?
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Will I just keep my relationship a secret?
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What if your dad says no to you moving out?
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Yeah.
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I don t want him to hold a grudge against me.
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I want him to be at my wedding.
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If we ever get married.
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Wendy, your dad can t say no to you moving out.
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You re an adult.
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Okay.
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Um, I m sorry to hear about this, but, uh, you know, I, again, I, you know, dude, I wish you, I wish you luck in, um, in trying to, um, you know, take control of your own life.
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Should I just, like, tell him the truth?
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I think it s a worthy thing to do.
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Tell him the truth?
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Yeah, like, everything at once?
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Like, hey dad, I ve been hiding for your relationship, and I m gonna move out.
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These are good things, though, Wendy.
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And it s your dad s problem if he doesn t want to be happy for you.
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You re an adult, you have a job, you have a relationship that makes you happy, and you re gonna go out and be an independent human being.
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These are all good things, Wendy.
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I don t want you to be looking at them as bad.
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These are all good things.
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Um, I m very, it makes me very, uh, sorry to hear that your dad has caused you to frame them as bad.
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Um, but he, you, you, and you know, you can t control what other people do, but you know, at a certain point, I think you just got to stand up to him and be like, you know, you re, you, you gotta go live your own life.
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Wendy.
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I m like, I,
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These are not bad things.
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These are not shameful things.
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You re right.
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I m just 12 tomorrow.
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Fuck it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Um... Good luck.
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And... Um... It ll probably be difficult at the beginning, but, you know, as you get older, I think it ll be easier, and you ll be glad you did.
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Yeah.
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Thank you, Gecko.
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I really appreciate it.
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Of course.
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Have a good night, Wendy.
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Thank you.
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Bye.