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 the social proof and then even fans would chime in and I hated that because I was like I would never tell a child or even an adult if someone said if I said Lewis like so I hear that you're doing this business venture this that tell me about it oh you shouldn't do that but I'm sure you've heard people say oh you should reconsider this yeah why are you telling me how to run my life if I need to bump my head a few times
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 Maybe just tap me on the shoulder after I bump my head once and be like, I was gonna tell you.
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Don't do that again, bro.
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Let me help you.
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But we live in a society where it's hard to share everything because people are gonna tell you what they feel based on their own insecurities.
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They're not living my life.
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They're not the director of my life.
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They're not the lead actor of my life.
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They're not even the co-star of my life.
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 They ain't even the co-pilot of my life.
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I'm the lead.
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I'm gonna do what I wanna do, and I've gotta live with those choices and consequences.
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And it all worked out.
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It wasn't perfect, but life ain't got no rehearsal, brother.
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You gotta just know how to move, know how to bob and weave.
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And you're gonna get hit, you're gonna take a standing eight count,
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 You're gonna take that eight count.
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You're gonna take that time out.
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Because if you don't take that time out emotionally, you cannot battle physically in anything, whether it be in a relationship, business, anything.
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You gotta know like, okay, this is a sign that this didn't work and yeah.
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And one of the other things I've learned is that you can't be a sore winner either.
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Because when you're trying to do stuff to please other people so much,
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 thinking that after you do succeed, you think that that's gonna satisfy the world, it may have just pissed more people off.
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So then you get angry because they're not giving you your respect.
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So I had my Kanye moment numerous times throughout my career.
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You ain't giving me my respect.
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But really, does that matter so much?
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But it did.
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The opinion of others, that's where the insecurity is.
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But then I had to dissect that.
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 Was that one of your biggest fears?
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Was it fear of failure, fear of success, or fear of other people's opinions?
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Well, it started off with fear of success, because you know that once you attain a certain level, that becomes your new standard, and anything less is... But it all kind of ties in together.
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Because once you get to this standard, people accept that.
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Now they may judge you even worse.
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 Your bullies actually, the people that talk the most trash, I call them bullies.
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And how did you learn to really overcome the bullying or the opinions or the judgments of so many people?
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Just keep working.
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Whatever I had to say to myself.
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If I had to curse them out in my mind, I did.
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 Fortunately for me, I had the gym to use as a profession.
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It's not like everybody else where they have to go back in that boardroom and stuff like that.
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A little different.
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I had the weight.
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You could get it all out.
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I could literally get it all out and that was my job.
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So it's not like I could go do this for an hour and then make it three hours if I wanted to.
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 CEO of a company can only make it maybe an hour and then they still got to handle that board meeting and stuff but I think what coexist is Making sure that you got it out In that period of time.
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Yeah, so then you don't hold on to it so much because it will make you a sore winner.
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I
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 And you won't deliver your message because it'll mess with that frequency of your voice.
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And because real ones can see, oh man, he's hurting.
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That's why he's lashing out on Twitter or Facebook, this and that.
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There's something different with him.
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He's smiling, but he's not happy.
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And I would look at some of my old pictures and I would realize there's many years where I, yeah, I thought I was happy, but I was masking it.
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 Mask my divorce, mask getting screwed over in business, mask, mask, mask, you know, mask dad dying, stepmom dying, still winning during those years though.
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So when you win in, I just label things that happen to everybody, but I still had to be the best in the world.
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It's not for me to do this, it's for the fact that I knew what I was dealing with and I'm like, and even now I'm like, how the hell did you do that?
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Because I have to speak to people about these things.
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 I focused on winning.
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A lot of people think that winning is such a bad thing.
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When the chips are down, man, there's winners and losers, man.
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And everybody's got a gift to themselves, to the world, man.
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And you give yourself an opportunity to be successful by understanding that it will rain, but it also will shine.
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The sun will come out eventually, man.
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But if you're in a dark place, man,
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 Be your own light.
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I can't be my own light being negative all the time.
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You can only go so far with that.
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Now I'm the first one to raise his hand, both hands and say, using the dark side is dope, but at some point.
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 Even Darth Vader realized he was Anakin, man, and he didn't like it.
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He didn't like it at the very end, though.
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I'm fortunate to realize that there's a time and place for that, Darkseid.
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I had to mature and to understand that it's always, it's still within me.
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I can transfer this into business, into everything I put my mind to based on my experiences.
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 But I can do it much more mature, and I can do it with a heart of knowing that I just love people.
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The reason why I competed so hard is because I really loved people.
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I still do, because I realized if someone was to make a mural of me, that means that they love this physique so much that they actually, this is not their physique.
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These are not just like some stick figures that they're doing.
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This is like real 30-foot murals in different countries and stuff that I can show you online.
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You'd be like, what the heck?
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 This person put a lot of time and effort, his own resources, her own resources.
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People, like I said, the tattoos and stuff like that.
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Wait a minute.
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This is inspirational.
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I want people to aspire to be like this.
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Not like me, but like to want better for their own life.
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You know, you talk about the school of greatness.
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Everybody can be great.
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 But when you're hungry for greatness, that's one thing, man.
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I've been starving for greatness.
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There's a difference.
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See, so before you decided to use that, that's mine.
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But it is, it's one thing to be hungry.
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Everybody's been hungry.
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It's different when you're starving.
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Why were you starving?
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What made you have that?
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Because I wanted to win, I knew what it felt like.
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Whether it be an A grade on a test, excellence is excellence.
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 Break down how does it feel to do things the right way.
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Does it feel good or not?
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It feels good.
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When you run through a marathon, there's some people that run through the finish line like, oh, ain't no problem.
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And there's that one person, they look like they dying.
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And they crawl through that finish line.
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There's always the one person.
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It felt like they were dying and they still finished.
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And within an hour, it's not that they can do it again, but they could probably run 400 meters if they really had to.
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 I hated running the 400 meters.
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I was a one in the deuce.
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That's it.
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When I had to run that four by four in high school, I hated it.
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Right.
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But okay, so you puked.
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30 minutes later, oh, let's go for burgers.
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You know what I mean?
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But what did that feel like to cross the line?
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That's life.
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It's gonna hurt.
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It's gonna hurt like hell.
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You're gonna wanna pass out during the squats.
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That's why I always tell people,
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 If I were to say, hey, let's go train arms or chest, everybody sign up.
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Train legs, or maybe back, especially legs.
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Oh man, what happened was, the wife and the kid, it's gonna take too much time, and I don't wanna slow you down Phil, but.
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What changed?
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Negative belief.
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You asked me to go boxing tomorrow.
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Okay, I might have to do it, just because it's something different.
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Sure, try it out.
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 I mean, I'm gonna be a novice.
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I might fall in love with this.
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Maybe this is a sign that I should do it or not.
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But you don't know what you don't know.
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And I think variety is the spice of life, man.
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And you have to ask yourself, so why?
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Because I'm not good enough.
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I look stupid.
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He's better.
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What are they gonna think?
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 Okay, we just said all kind of negative stuff.
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Let's talk about the positive.
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I get good cardio from this.
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I get to learn a new skill.
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I get to have a moment with someone I just met.
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This could turn into a new hobby that I can actually afford.
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And like I said, I said a useful skill.
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That could turn into something
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 more relatable, because I'm meeting all other type of athletes.
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And I can say, man, you can't bodybuild and I can't box, but man, we could talk about, you know, and it's just another conversation.
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It's like when you learn a new language, you learn a little bit of here, a little bit of there.
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Why not just learn a little bit here, a little bit there?
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And I have to say, sitting here with you, I really appreciate it, because I know you get to meet a lot of different type of people.
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I'm curious, what would you say is the greatest mental skill that you developed?
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 Whether it was in the gym training, whether it was visualizing at night when you're thinking about, you know, the events you're gonna compete at, was it strategy, was it the nutrition game, was it the ability to not feel any pain or go beyond the pain and just do rep after rep even when you knew you're just ripping, you know, your muscles?
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What was that, the greatest skill that you developed?
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Was it a belief in yourself?
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I wasn't afraid of myself.
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 I wasn't afraid of myself, meaning I decided to put no limitations on myself.
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That really summarizes everything, right?
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I would still go to amateur bodybuilding shows.
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Obviously, I would do guest appearances and stuff, but I'd still go to the preachers and watch people.
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You learn.
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From amateurs.
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This guy's a really good poser.
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Maybe I should try that.
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I never heard about this diet.
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Maybe I should try that in the off season.
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 And I get to travel around the world.
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So I get to do seminars, this and that, talk about what I believe.
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But then I'd start being able to meet with different doctors.
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I think my willingness to try new things, especially on the recovery side,
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 Because I knew that if I could recover faster, smarter than everybody else, I could have more frequency of training.
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So if you can't recover in bodybuilding, forget it.
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I mean, we put people through workout like, oh, I'm too sore to go back the next day.
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It's like, but what if I could teach you how to recover faster?
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So I learned that.
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So I knew how to recover faster.
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And then obviously, I enjoyed hurting people's feelings.
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 How so, just by dominating?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's like a road game.
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You know the feeling, man.
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Just blow them out by 30.
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Just blow them out.
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Yeah.
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 And I'm just being honest.
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It felt awesome to know that I had that much rent in their head.
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I would screw with people so bad as far as the competitors.
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And maybe, I guess we should ask them, but I would train multiple times a day.
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 but I wouldn't put it on social media of me showing you that I'm training, but I'd show you that I was there.
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So if you're over in Italy, Egypt, whatever, I'm training at 10 p.m.
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Mountain Standard Time, you're just not waking up or you're just getting your day going.
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Phil's already in the gym.
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When you go to sleep, Phil's in the gym.
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Just messing with people all day long.
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All day long, because I have kids at the gym.
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Wow.
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So I was just relentless in my approach
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 And if you showed signs of weakness, oh, I was gonna expose it.
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But I was humble enough to know that if you, like you talk about boxing, so like if a person has a good, you know, jab, that you know how to stay away from it.
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You try to neutralize that opponent's strategy, especially their strengths.
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So then they have to deal with yours.
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And you minimize your weaknesses at the same time.
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So bodybuilding is the same thing.
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 You have big legs, I don't have as big legs, doesn't mean I have to have them bigger than yours.
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Maybe I can find out what I'm really good at.
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For me, I was always good at very good conditioning, and I had more bubbly, like rounder physique.
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So therefore, I didn't have to get 300 pounds in the off-season.
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I could be 270 off-season.
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But I could look bigger than everybody else when I stood next to you.
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At 270.
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At 270 off-season, and then pre-contest, I would be 240, 245.
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They would be 300 pounds.
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Holy cow.
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280 pounds, I still beat them.
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How?
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Because I focused on the shape.
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I focused on what I was really good at.
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 See, they were so concerned with being the biggest size and they didn't allow themselves to adopt a different philosophy.
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They didn't even try.
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By the time they tried, it was too late.
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 because now they're asking their body to do something last minute.
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I was like, nah, man, you guys should just focus on being conditioned and see where it goes.
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So I was always willing to listen to myself, not listen to others, but my greatest strength was just my competitive spirit.
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I think ultimately, I just, I raised everybody's game level.
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 If they said that I didn't, then they're lying.
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But I've had people on record say that when we knew that Phil Heath was coming back in 2020, we stepped up our game.
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We're in the gym a couple more times a day.
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And even the fans knew.
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If Phil comes back, man, like you know, and that's good to know because we, so it's really good to know that you get people to believe in your own expectations too.
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They may not have believed at first, but then they believe in your standards.
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 because you're gonna prove it.
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It's one thing to like run your mouth and not have the goods.
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You got the goods, oh no, look at this.
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Larry Bird did it, Jordan did it, everybody done it.
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Usain Bolt, I'm letting y'all know, there is no way.
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Hey, if you didn't bring it, man, sucks for you.
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Michael Phelps splashing the water, he letting them know.
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 Better brought you lunch, man.
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If you ain't ready, if you're not for peak, top performance, if this isn't the best of your life, oh man, you just got a front row seat to watching me do it.
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To watching me do it.
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My whole goal was letting people know who the hell I am, giving them a show, but then in life, I should be able to transition and take that, knowing who I am.
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 If I'm a public speaker, I gotta know who the hell I am to convey a message.
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I gotta be willing to write down notes, review film of myself.
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How was my body language?
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Oh, maybe I cursed too much.
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Maybe I said this too many times.
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Maybe I said, uh, or the, maybe I wasn't comfortable.
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What was going on that day?
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Oh, you got a bad phone call, this, that, and the other, or you lost a business deal.
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Well, that, let me readjust.
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See, I looked at every posing routine that I ever done,
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 And I normally wear the same color of trunks every year, just so I could compare.
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I even micromanaged every posing that I did getting ready for the show.
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I would get on the scale, but I'd also have the food diary of what I ate, what I also trained.
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Because let's say 10 weeks after the Mr. Olympia, last year, I was 260 pounds or 270 pounds.
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Let's say I was 270 pounds 10 weeks out.
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 but my chest looks flat.
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Did I look at my diet and look at what I trained the day before or the day of?
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Maybe my chest was flat because I just trained legs and my legs look bigger than 10 weeks out the previous year because it was flip-flopped.
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See, I micromanaged everything.
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 because you're gonna have this self-doubt.
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I remember Tim Grover saying this, he counted how many steps Michael Jordan took in a practice and different points on the floor and this and that.
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Yes, that matters.
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That is the 0.1% that one must take.
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 Sales guy, how many phone calls did you actually make?
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How long did you hem and haw on the phone with someone that was already sold?
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That you could have said, all right, Louis, that's cool, man, we'll chat later, I got some more calls to make, man, I know you got things to do.
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Give the wife and kid a hug and kiss.
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But if I spend too much time with you, I could have less productivity.
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So all of this stuff matters.
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So I was always about going all out.
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 Reinventing everything, but understanding when you talk about lifting, like, oh, you gotta put on the music, this and that and the other, but were you really feeling it, though?
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Were you feeling every rep the best that you could?
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Maybe not, maybe not, but maybe you got through the set.
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Okay, well, I can shoot two and three of those, but I ain't Steph Curry.
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 There's a difference.
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I can shoot them.
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We can all shoot them.
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But can we make 10 out of 10?
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I'm sure Steph Curry could probably make 100 out of 100, or 99 out of 100, if you give him an opportunity.
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I'd probably make 75, 80.
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There's a difference.
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Break down the mechanics.
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 Am I confident?
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Break everything down.
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So I have to now do that in business as an entrepreneur.
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I have to do it continuously in my current relationship.
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I've been married before, so that didn't work.
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So let's break that down.
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I've conquered certain things with that.
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Immaturity, this and that, lack of communication, lack of accountability, lack, lack, lack.
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Also acknowledge the good stuff, but what can I learn from this and actually learn from it now that I'm in a new relationship?
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Because I can't ruin this one.
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 because now the common denominator is me, right?
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But how many people are open to criticism?
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Feedback, but own self accountability.
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When you talk about like David Goggins, I'm a huge fan of his.
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I love that guy, I gotta meet him someday.
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Accountability mirrors are important, man.
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What do you say to yourself in the morning?
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What do you say every time?
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Self talk is so un-freaking-important.
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 You're living in a world where, man, stuff is messed up.
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Things on the phone will make you doubt who the hell you are.
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You're comparing your life to strangers nonstop based on something that you saw that you can't quantify if that's real or not.
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Oh, but he's on a yacht in this net, but man, that's his friend's yacht.
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That's his friend's car.
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Or maybe he's money laundering.
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You don't know?
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Maybe he's doing it right.
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 Take the characteristics of how he really got there, how she got there.
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Maybe start digging that out.
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And if you can't find anything from that, maybe they are a fraud.
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You can probably figure it out pretty quick.
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But we have to be better concerning and discerning individuals to figure those things out.
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So true, discernment is key, man.
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What's the thing you're most excited about now?
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You mentioned this documentary.
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What are you doing now and this new chapter, this kind of like what you're creating in your life?
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 my goal with the documentary that'll be released later this year.
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That's exciting.
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Where's that going?
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So that's the cool part is that the cool part is that I've never had an opportunity to have it be with someone like a Danny Garcia and Dwayne Johnson.
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Yeah, they're awesome.
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 to have more eyeballs from like Netflix, ESPN, and NBC Universal.
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It's just amazing.
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It's such a good blessing to have people that are very interested in purchasing this.
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So we are very excited to unveil this at a film festival here later this year.
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We are definitely pumped for that.
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Obviously it's something of my life's work,
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 It talks about a lot of the things that we discussed here in more depth and you get to see it rather just to hear it.
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I'm very happy about it because it's about me as a human being, not just a bodybuilder.
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And I enjoyed filming that.
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 that produces so many other things.
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Obviously entrepreneurship, I'm looking into different endeavors whether it be in supplements, clothing, stuff like that.
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I'm working with various brands at the moment and I'm actually considering
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 you know, being a part of the Olympia in a different way, whether it be on stage as a commentator or actually maybe not competing, but maybe giving back in a certain way.
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You know, I actually got with a company who I'm partnered with, it's a hormone clinic that actually, our mission, well, I went with them because I had COVID pneumonia and I needed to get that blood work done to make sure that my blood cell counts and all that stuff were intact and liver, kidney enzymes were intact.
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There was a lot of death in the sport.
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 In bodybuilding.
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In bodybuilding over the last couple years.
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Really?
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Over 40.
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40 people died.
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The guy that beat me in 2018, Sean Roden, passed last year.
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So I had to, you know, go on tour with a lot of these guys and meet their families.
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 You know, I always say you don't know what you don't know.
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Where are the deaths coming from?
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We don't know.
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So you could say it's anabolic steroid use, right?
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You could easily say that.
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That's the first thing someone's going to say.
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Well, it could be a combination of that.
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It can be a combination of, you know, were they just too big during their off season?
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Because if you're 300 pounds, you're 300 pounds.
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I don't care if you're muscular.
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It's a lot on your organs.
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It's a lot, exactly.
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So joints, organs, everything.
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And then, are you really getting a physical?
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Every woman that watches this gets a yearly.
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How many men get a yearly?
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 Unless you're playing college sports, you know, and when I say yearly like yearly physical real physical, right?
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I'm, 42 years old.
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I raised my hand saying I didn't get my prostate exam They probably should go do that.
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You should probably get routine blood work And then I thought well Okay, if you're not going to compete this year, what can you do to to help the sport that you love?
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 Get with a company that will help provide blood work for athletes.
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Not to make it mandatory, but to give them an option.
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Because you've got choices and consequences, right?
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So you could say, well these athletes maybe not, maybe they feel like they can't afford it, maybe they're just scared to do it, but maybe they need to hear it from someone like myself.
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So using my platform and actually getting with a company that I can actually speak to, and that's the beautiful part about being who I am.
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I can actually sit down with CEOs.
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 and actually have dialogue and ask questions.
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And one of the questions was like, would you guys be interested in maybe partnering up with the Olympia?
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And whoever qualifies for Olympia, maybe we give them a discount or a free blood pail, just so they know certain things.
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And if they wanted to get it done repeatedly throughout their prep, they can.
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So in the event that there was a marker that is out of whack,
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 at least you're informed.
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You can catch it hopefully early.
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You can catch it early on.
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If you're a female that says, you know what, I want to have kids, you catch it early on.
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Now you know.
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So it's all about gift giving.
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I could easily just say, oh yeah, I work with this hormone clinic and I'm on testosterone just to keep myself going and feeling energized and this and that.
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Or I could say, you know what, I want health benefits for athletes.
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 I want to make sure that we don't see death.
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I want to make sure that these guys and girls are doing the things in a more healthier way.
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Not every pro is making a ton of money.
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Maybe they don't have those resources available to them.
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If I can bring them those resources through what I've accomplished then that's not for me to be on some pedestal.
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That's for me to share.
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That's for me to say, don't worry.
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 You're going to be okay because I'm very thankful that I'm 42 years young.
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And I get my blood work done every three, four months.
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I know what's out of whack.
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I know how to adjust it.
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The beautiful thing about being a competitive bodybuilder is that you do know how food works.
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You know how PDs work.
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You know how everything works.
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But it's about having a certain type of understanding that you can just sleep well at night.
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 So that's another endeavor that I'm very excited about and a ton of other things.
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Overall, my goal is to be a man of service no matter what.
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And whether you're a competitor, whether you're just a person that's just wanting to look good, to feel great, have the confidence.
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 Look, no further, I'm your guy.
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I'm your guy that will visit with you.
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No shout, no shade to any other professional athlete, but I'm more accessible.
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I can go to a local gym.
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We don't have professional training facilities that only we can go to.
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I can go to a local gym.
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I'm around.
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You can ask me a question, and this is about your life.
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I used to drive to the gym
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 through this cemetery to get there a little faster.
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And I remember having the guys from Flex Magazine Muscle and Fitness with me in the car and they're like, why are you talking about this?
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And I said, everybody's going there.
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Everybody.
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You see people embracing each other.
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 You see people crying, you see people laughing, you see people celebrating, you see people mourning hard.
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And I have an opportunity to do something that I never thought I could do growing up.
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I have a privilege of being a professional at something where I get paid a lot of money and I get to now share my experiences with people.
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 I'm working toward that.
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I'm working toward if something, one day I'm gonna be in the dirt or be in the ocean or whatever, but what will people, oh man.
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Holy smokes.
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Son, come here.
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Grandson, come here.
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This man right here changed my life.
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This is Phil Heath.
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Well, who's Phil Heath?
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Well, he's seven times Mission Olympia, but it wasn't even about that.
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I met him at a store.
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 And he was signing autographs and he talked to you.
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He held you when you were a kid.
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He took a picture with you.
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I'll show you too when you get home.
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I can't believe he's buried next to grandpa.
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I look forward to that because I get to meet so many people.
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So I wanna meet everybody.
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This world better open up and this better stay open.
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I know that we're gonna hug everyone.
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 I have to.
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I want to cry with them.
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I really do.
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Because I know right now people are dealing with so much pain, so much adversity, and so much uncertainty.
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Young men, grown men,
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 need strong men.
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Because the world is messed up.
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But it always has.
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But I just feel like right now, if I don't speak up, if I don't have these moments, if I don't put myself out there, if I don't let people see me, hear me, say it's
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 Okay, I'm gonna meet people this weekend.
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I want them all to just, I didn't even bring an autograph.
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I brought no merch.
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People were like, why are you bringing merch?
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My team were like, why are you bringing merch?
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Because I'll be too busy selling merch.
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I just want to hang out.
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I'll have the same, I even told the organizer, you don't have to give me this massive booth, just give me a stand.
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I just want to say hi.
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Because you can buy stuff another time.
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I actually took everything offline.
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 Because I just, I needed time to just recalibrate everything.
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And this is what I like.
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I love competing, but I love meeting people.
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Anyone that is lined up to meet me at an event will probably tell you the same story, which is, it didn't matter what you look like, it didn't matter if you were buying something or not, I gave you my time.
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And I wanna continue to do that.
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Now I know I only have so much time to give, but I'm gonna give it.
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 I will give you my time because
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 I love to talk and I love to hang out with people.
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And I know everybody has a story.
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And I don't want everybody, I don't want people to feel like they're alone.
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I don't want people to feel like, oh, this guy has this big ass exterior and he has no depth.
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Or they have all these questions and they're afraid to ask.
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It could be the dumbest question in the world.
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It could be the most common question in the world.
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I'm gonna give you my time.
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And I think that's something that people need.
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Because I,
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 I have to finish this back nine of my personal golf course strong.
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I gotta do it, man.
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Because I know without focusing on money, there's enlightenment that awaits.
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And my future self depends on how I stay in gratitude during these moments in time.
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My future self depends on how I handle the good, the bad,
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 freaking ugly and how much personal work am I willing to do.
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I literally have had to make some nasty, not, I shouldn't say nasty, I was gonna say nasty phone calls, but I hated confrontation.
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I hate it with friends, family, et cetera.
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I've had to make those phone calls.
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And just confront and say, this hurt me.
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Or if I hurt you, I didn't know.
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And I'm apologizing for that.
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I can't go back and change it though.
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 But I can change who I am today.
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And I have done that.
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And if you feel that great, if you don't, case and roster up, man.
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I gotta keep going, though.
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Because we're chatting with you and I gotta go.
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I got more things to do.
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Overall, brother, I just want to continue to impact this world.
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I just want to do it in a different space.
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I don't want to have to wear posing trunks to do it.
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 I love a band.
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I'm excited to watch the documentary, wherever it comes out, whether at the film festival or on a streamer or wherever it is, on TV, in the movies.
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You've got amazing content, man.
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I love your inspiring content on Instagram.
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 People can check you out there, Phil Heath on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all the places, YouTube as well.
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This is a question I ask everyone at the end.
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It's called the three truths.
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So imagine a hypothetical scenario.
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It's your last day on earth many years away.
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You live as long as you want to live.
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You accomplish everything in the back nine, maybe you go 18 more rounds, whatever it is.
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 And you live a beautiful rest of your life.
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But for whatever reason, everything you create, all your content, your information, the videos of you, social media, this interview, it's gone.
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It goes to another place.
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 So when you go, all your information goes with you.
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No one has access to it anymore.
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But you get to leave behind three lessons with the world.
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Three things that you know to be true from all of your experiences that you would leave behind as your lessons.
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And this is all we would have.
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What would you say are yours, Phil?
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Three truths from you.
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Be as vulnerable as you can with yourself and with the people who you love.
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Learn from every mistake.
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 and always have faith in yourself.
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I love those, man.
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I got one final question for you, Phil, but before I ask it, I want to acknowledge you, man.
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It's been a pleasure to connect with you here and to see someone who is the epitome of a strong masculine man be vulnerable.
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 You know, you haven't had a perfect life and you've made mistakes and no one's perfect, but you are the image, literally, on covers of every magazine of what it means to be the biggest, strongest, most masculine man in today's society projected, right?
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Winning the Mr. Olympia seven times in a row, all these different things.
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 and yet you show up with a vulnerable, service-based heart.
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And I really appreciate and acknowledge that from you.
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And sharing how to be okay with yourself as a man when you lose or when you get second place or third place, that it's not the end of the world, that it's just a lesson.
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And there's another element for you to grow from that.
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So I really acknowledge your journey, your growth, your incredible success, and where you're at now in your life, man.
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It's really beautiful.
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 And I'm excited to see what you create moving forward.
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I am too and I just want to tell you it's a real honor and privilege to be here with you and share this time because I think timing is everything.
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We could have done this years ago and not have the same interaction.
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And I definitely was not in the same space.
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 So I always look at these moments of saying thank you because you allowed me a safe space to be that way.
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And that says a lot about you as a human being because in order to get that out of me, you have to have a good heart.
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So I appreciate that very much.
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And I wish you all the best as well because
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 You know, life throws you a lot of curve balls, brother, but you can step in the batter's box and take a freaking swing, man.
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I know you're doing it, and I wish you nothing but success.
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But most importantly, you know, just that confidence of knowing that you're giving it everything you've got, that you can want more.
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And I know you already have it, but it's just like you want more, because I want people like yourself to elevate
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 Because when you're friends with people or you look at people like yourself, to me, I'm like, I like what he's doing.
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Proximity is everything.
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I wanna be affiliated with real people that are doing, that want more though.
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And I know you wanna tell more.
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Of course, man.
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Just get started, man.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Just get started.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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It's like, I just wanna see it because how cool would that be
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 of allowing like this space and time, and you've met a ton of people.
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You can only be so-called friends with so many people.
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But just to know like over 1,300 episodes and stuff.
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I look at that and I tell myself, why not me?
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And why not right now?
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I have that Van Halen right now.
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Right now.
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 can't wait for tomorrow.
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Right now, come on, it's everything.
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I'm gonna probably have to come out to that next time I speak.
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Because think about it, right now, and right now you're doing this, right now we're having this
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 Two masculine dudes talking about stuff that really impacts our lives and other people's lives, and I just pray to God that people receive this as well as they can.
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I just wanna tell you thanks, bro.
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Thanks a lot.
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I appreciate it, man.
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I got your back.
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Final question, what's your definition of greatness?
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 how you impact other people's lives to do great things.
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I believe in a higher power, I believe in God, so he gave me a lot of cool things.
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But in order for him to be happy, I had to use it.
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And I gave him all the glory because I have used a lot of it and I've messed up a lot.
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 You know, I continue to work harder just to show him that, you know, you gave me a lot of great things and I didn't waste it.
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But I feel like I have an opportunity to give people something too.
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Maybe it's just a reminder of who the hell they are and go after it.
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But just having that will to go after it when the chips are down and having that journey and that story of triumph, that's what develops greatness.
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You have to go through it.
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It ain't gonna be perfect.
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 In order to be great at something, you must learn how to deal with the crap.
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And it ain't the same crap as your crap.
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Mine is different.
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And you're in a different phase in your life than I'm in in my life.
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Therefore, I can't compare.
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 You have to strive for your own personal greatness in everything you do.
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And that requires vulnerability.
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That requires a heavy faith-based system, in my opinion.
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And you just, in order to overcome fear, you have to become freaking fearless and be okay with just knowing who the hell you are and say it.
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It's okay to be great.
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It's okay to say it.
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We did it this big.
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 I'm going to be the best soccer player.
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I'm going to be the best lawyer.
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I'm going to be the best.
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And it stopped at 13.
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It definitely stopped at 18.
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It stopped at 30.
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Because people stopped asking you.
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Don't worry about everybody asking you.
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You tell yourself, I'm here to be great.
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I am not here to blend in.
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That is lame.
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I'm here to stand out.
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Because when I stand out,
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 I know in my heart that I gave it my all and I became great based on caring about my dreams and creating reality and knowing that life has to suck.
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When I go through stuff, I'm like, ooh, this burns, this hurts.
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 What's on the other side of that pain?
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Greatness.
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That's it, man.
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That's it, man.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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My man, Phil.
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Yes, sir.
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Appreciate it.
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The gift keeps on giving, you know?
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Appreciate it, man.
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Thank you so much for listening.
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I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness.
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Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's show with all the important links.
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And also make sure to share this with a friend and subscribe over on Apple Podcasts as well.
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 I really love hearing feedback from you guys, so share a review over on Apple and let me know what part of this episode resonated with you the most.
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And if no one's told you lately, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.
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And now it's time to go out there and do something great.