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 We all realize that if our tribe died, we could not survive alone.
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That means taking care of tribe was something we did for our own survival.
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And I really think it's very interesting is that today we believe it doesn't matter how much we have, we're going to always want more and there's always going to be scarcity because people are greedy.
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 Hey everyone, today's guest is a truly fascinating individual.
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He's an entrepreneur, a serial philanthropist, and he's also the founder of some of the most innovative companies, in my opinion, on the planet.
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They include companies like Viome, Blue Dot, Moon Express, and InfoSpace.
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His name is Naveen Jain, and he's truly got a mind that challenges innovation, it challenges intuition, and it's not just counterintuitive.
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 It's not just different.
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It is truly, truly radical.
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So Naveen, I'm so genuinely grateful, humbled, and fascinated to be sitting with you today.
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And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
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I genuinely feel that when you think and you articulate things, I'm like wanting to solve a puzzle.
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 So for me, this is a puzzle to be solved, not an interview.
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Well, first of all, Jay, so kind of you.
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And I'm honored that you chose me to be here because I think we're going to have some fun conversation and hopefully we can move the needle and we can help billions of people live better lives.
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 Absolutely.
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And I think we really share that mission.
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I think we both really care.
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And for me, as someone who I genuinely believe sitting in front of you, someone who's just starting out, I want to learn today.
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I'm sitting here in front of you wanting to learn from you.
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So I'm excited to be coached, mentored and empowered by a incredible mind.
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And Jay, and same here.
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I'm here to learn from you in terms of how you can take all the information and really provided the people that essentially can use that information to live better lives.
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 Yeah, I'm excited.
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I'm really, really excited about this.
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I want to dive straight in.
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We know that your book's called Moon Shots, and your company right now that you're building, working extensively on is Moon Express.
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And when I read about the mission of Moon Express, I was like, whoa, how does one even think of that?
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Because people want to get to the moon.
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 But you don't want to get to the moon so that we can live there.
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You want to get to the moon so that we can take lunar resources and apply them for innovation to the world.
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How did you even come up with that idea?
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Well, I mean, if you think about what are some of the biggest problems facing humanity,
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 thing is really the survival of the human species.
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So every one of us who worries about the climate change and everything else, the first thing they tell you is, I'm really, really, really worried about this planet.
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And my answer to them is, please don't worry about this planet.
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This planet is going to be just fine.
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 worry about the human species that may not survive.
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If you think about it, when all of the dinosaurs died, this planet thrived.
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The planet was totally fine and it created the human species.
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If we keep doing what we're doing,
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 Human species may not be around to enjoy it.
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This planet will just go on.
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It's going to create new set of species, and they may be smarter or dumber than human species.
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So my job really is to figure out and say, is there any way we can potentially make humans as a multi-planetary society?
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Because if all of us are living, 7 billion of us are living on a single spacecraft, and we call that spacecraft planet Earth,
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 Now imagine if our spacecraft gets damaged because we get hit by an asteroid, then we can become just the dinosaurs, right?
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And if you can hear any dinosaurs rolling in their grave, what would they be saying?
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They will be saying if they had one good entrepreneurial dinosaur, they would be roaming on the moon and the Mars and the beyond.
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Didn't happen for them.
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So why not we as humans could start to figure out, can we actually live on multiple spacecraft
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 So if one spacecraft gets damaged, either because of some external situation or we humans are pretty capable people ourselves, we could destroy this planet.
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And at least we could save the human species and recreate the human species on other places.
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So the human planet is more powerful than the human species.
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So we're more likely to go extinct.
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Do you just think, though, that this is quite... I'm going off the line here.
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I'm going into the conversation as we were talking about.
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 Do you just think though that humans are too irresponsible that no matter how many resources we have we're so irresponsible we just waste whatever we're given?
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Well it's very interesting is that human species actually everyone thinks is greedy and it turns out actually we as human species are very giving in fact giving and philanthropy and taking care of others is built into our DNA so if you go back and look at the things when we're living in small tribes
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 We all realize that if our tribe died, we could not survive alone.
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That means taking care of tribe was something we did for our own survival.
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And I really think it's very interesting is that today we believe it doesn't matter how much we have, we're going to always want more and there's always going to be scarcity because people are greedy.
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In fact,
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 We can go out on a stadium, 70,000 of us could sit in a stadium, and we enjoy the game without ever feeling greedy about air or oxygen.
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We never slap the guy next to us and say, stop breathing my air.
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This is my air.
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I paid for it.
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People just.
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 all of us can enjoy air and oxygen because we inherently believe the air is in abundance oxygen is in abundance now imagine if the energy was becomes the next air that becomes abundant that means is democratized and is demonetized now every 90 minutes more solar energy falls on planet earth than we use in the whole year
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 it's just simply a matter of conversion and that will happen it is no different than if you go back couple of hundred years ago the most precious metal used to be aluminium and the reason was because it was very hard to extract pure aluminium and we needed to extract from bauxite which was extremely hard to do until the technology called electrolysis came about it made it so cheap that we now throw it away
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 Now what would be the electrolysis of the solar power that will make it so easy, so cheap that electricity or energy will become abundant like air and it will be freely available to everyone.
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And if you have a free energy, an abundant free energy, you'll be able to get abundant fresh clean water.
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Even in the dirtiest places in Africa, you'll be able to distill the water and all the organisms that people get sick from, that can all go away.
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 Now imagine the same thing can happen with agriculture, same thing can happen with the food.
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What if we had abundant of food?
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What if everything that we value today, everything that we fight over today, what if all of those things become abundant?
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What is it that we fight over?
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We fight over land, water, energy.
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 And you start to think about, if we can have abundant energy just like we talked about, abundant water that we talked about, and land, where is the scarcity of land?
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We are a tiny pale blue dot in our own solar system.
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Our solar system is a tiny dot in our galaxy.
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Our galaxy is a tiny dot in our universe.
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And our universe may be a tiny dot in this multiverse.
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 Where is that scarcity of land we talk about?
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The scarcity is our mind that believes we cannot live anywhere else.
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What if we can change that?
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Well, I love how optimistic you are.
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It's incredible to hear optimism because I don't doubt it either.
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I don't doubt it either.
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You're right.
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And I think it'll be fascinating.
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I'm fascinated to see you do it.
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 But I want to talk to you about the mindset now, Jay, because I think one of the reasons people believe that it can't be done, because in their mind it is impossible.
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The minute people believe something is impossible, it becomes impossible just for them and no one else.
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So now let's talk about living on the moon.
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How can you possibly live on the moon?
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 Are you that naive to not know there is tremendous amount of radiation?
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How are we going to go live on the moon?
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So one of the things I'm going to talk about is how do you take the most complex problem and you start to break it down into simple things and I want to give that mindset to everyone who's listening to it.
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So let's start with like living on the moon.
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 When people say you cannot live on the moon because there is such high radiation.
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And you say stop for a second.
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Now let's see what technologies currently exist or needs to be created to make that possible.
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And suddenly you will realize that nature has already solved many of these problems.
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We find bacterial species growing in radioactive nuclear waste.
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 imagine what that means is now the nature has figured out how to protect its DNA from extremely high radiation and use the radiation as a source of energy now if we can take these bacterial genes use CRISPR which is a genetic editing technology to modify the human genes in vivo
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 Would it be possible to become radiation resistant?
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Now the technology may not exist today, but would it be there in three years or five years?
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Absolutely.
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So now we say, okay, that problem is not in the beyond the realms of physics.
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It can be solved.
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Now is the next thing people say is, fine, I give that to you.
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How are we going to grow the food on the moon?
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And my answer to that is, that's a dumb question.
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The question you need to be asking is, why do we need to eat food?
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 And then suddenly people say, oh, you're that stupid.
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In that case, let me tell you that.
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We need food because we need energy.
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We need nutrition.
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And I say, stop for a second.
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Let's analyze both of them.
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You need energy.
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The plants can get energy from the solar system, like photosynthesis.
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Bacteria gets energy from radiation.
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Can't we use either photosynthesis or radiation as a source of energy?
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 Yeah, that's quite possible.
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Now, it comes to nutrition.
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What nutrition are we talking about?
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Well, we need hydrogen, we need oxygen, we need nitrogen.
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Hold on.
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 There is a water on the moon.
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If there is a water, there's H2O.
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That means there is hydrogen, there is oxygen.
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We can break down the water and you get hydrogen and oxygen.
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Now the nitrogen thing is pretty interesting.
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Let's think about how we're gonna get there.
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Let's put that on the shelf.
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Now living on the moon is simply about how do we get nitrogen to the moon?
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And that problem now we can work on solving.
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And that is really what I mean by taking a complex problem, breaking it down and saying, what is it that needs done to solve that problem?
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 Absolutely.
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Now if you're listening to this, you can't see my face.
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If you're watching this, you can see my face.
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If you're listening, I am mind blown right now because I love the way Naveen thinks about a problem and if you are listening and you want to take notes, take notes on how Naveen solves problems and how he thinks about them differently.
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It's so unique.
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 It's so powerful.
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And I'm so glad that we align and agree because the way you think about these problems is how I think about the human mind.
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Because to me, when I think about it, no matter what planet we end up on, if our mindset and our mental health is not taken care of,
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 We both know that no matter what facilities you provide us with, the human mind will find flaws.
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The human mind will feel imperfect.
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It will feel depressed.
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It will feel anxiety.
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So for me, that's the big problem that I'm trying to solve.
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I think, first of all, you're absolutely correct that human mind, to some extent, is always looking for problems.
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Because at the end of the day, if you think about how we grew up in the savannas of Africa,
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 What was the thing we always survived?
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If you missed the bad news, if you did not hear the some type of rustle in the leaves, your whole gene pool got wiped out.
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 A good news did not matter.
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The only thing our mind is constantly scanning for is negativity.
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The amygdala is designed to think about what can go wrong, always skimming for the bad news, looking for the bad news.
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And that's the reason the people in the news business have figured it out.
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If it bleeds, it leads, right?
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They're constantly feeding you the negative news because they know your mind will always be paying attention to it.
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 And that's the reason all of the scientific advances that's making our life better is no longer being talked about because people are not looking for that.
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And that's why I admire people like you, Jay, who are honestly taking the message
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 And the message is really simple.
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How do we improve the lives of individuals and collectively billions of people?
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So your mission is so close to what it needs to be for each one of us to be thinking, what can I do?
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 Not what can someone do for me?
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What can I do for someone else?
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What can I do to make the lives better for someone else?
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Our success will never be defined by how much money we have in the bank.
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Our success will always be defined by how many lives we have been able to improve while we are still alive.
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 Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.
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I want to rewind back because in the book Moonshots you talk about your life and you talk about how you started out and I do think that's important to highlight because your journey is incredible.
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You didn't have it handed to you on a plate, no one gave you the wealth, the resources, the knowledge that you have here and said hey here you go, go change the world.
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You are an immigrant,
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 You have that immigrant mentality.
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I want to know where did this desire and this hunger to want to have this impact on the world come from?
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And where did it start?
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Well, you know, it's really hard to find specific things.
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You know, people tend to rewrite the history.
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After they become successful, they go back and rewrite their life of what that moment was.
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 But the truth really is life is a continuum.
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Every thought process is built on something in the past.
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Every experience is built on something from the past.
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And there comes a time where you essentially become different.
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And it's not like suddenly it is a step function.
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It is a continual change that's constantly happening.
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So to me, you know, growing up in India, we were very, very poor.
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We didn't have a food to eat.
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We didn't have a place to stay.
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 And we lived in most remote villages where there were no schools and nothing.
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And despite all of that, my sister went on to become a post-doctorate in applied mathematics.
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My brother has a PhD in statistics and computer science.
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And I did my engineering and MBA, came to United States about 35 years ago with $5 in my pocket and just a dream.
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 An amazing thing happened.
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God has been so kind to us.
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Any which way you look at it, God has given us everything we could have possibly asked for.
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And the only way I can pay the debt back to the society for what I have received is to go back and do things that can help improve the lives of billions of people in the society.
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 I know the people who helped me don't need my help.
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And the only way to pay back is to pay forward.
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And I hope that by the time I die, I would have paid my debt back to society.
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That's beautiful, man.
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That's beautiful.
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I couldn't agree more.
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You're so right that the people that help us, you can't pay them back.
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And the only way to pay them back is to pay it forward.
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I couldn't agree more.
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And I feel that my work, in the same way, from my teachers that taught me everything I know, this is my same expression of that feeling, that emotion.
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 i would love to even you know let's exchange some notes here because you learned a lot being a monk in eastern philosophy and the things we are right now learning and doing is goes back to that with vayom
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 why or more otherwise I mean if you start to look at the basic knowledge of what makes us happy so you talked about being depressed and anxious and mental health and you go back and look at this thing people had so little in ancient days they didn't have air conditioning they didn't have fancy houses
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 But they lived happy.
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What was it?
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Because it came from inside.
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If you are unhappy with yourself, if you don't love yourself,
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 and you are unhappy with yourself it doesn't matter you could be in paradise and you bring that unhappiness with you and if you are in love with yourself and when I say love with yourself I just want to make sure I'm not talking about being self conceited what I mean really you're not looking for approval from someone else because you're comfortable who you are you're not looking for someone to approve of who you are
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 And then if you are happy inside, you could be sitting in a dark corner and you are happy because you don't need someone to make you happy.
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Happiness is a choice and people can make that choice every single day.
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Even if you are very, very rich, you can find a reason to be unhappy.
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I'm only flying in a Gulfstream 5.
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My life sucks.
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Look at Larry Page.
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He's got 747 converted.
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Look at Bill Gates and he's flying in this big plane.
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My life just sucks.
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 Or you can say, oh my God, I woke up from the bed and my joints don't ache.
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How lucky I am.
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I turn around and say, wow, look at the women next to me.
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I am just so lucky.
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Every day you can find reasons for you to be happy.
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The happiness is when you are comfortable with who you are.
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And the minute you start to prove to someone else, then you are never successful and never happy.
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 And that's the reason why I believe the only way to measure you're successful or not, the day you become humble is the day you become successful.
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If you still have iota of arrogance left in you, then you're still trying to prove something to yourself or someone else.
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And the day you let go of that, you're successful.
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 I love that man, that's beautiful.
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That was one of my quotes I had down in my notes because when I read that, that touched me so much because I so much believed that, that the desire to always be a learner, desire to always be a student and to recognize what you keep saying, the words intellectual curiosity and how that disappears when we lose humility, how the ego just takes over.
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 and even I mean I think you know you and I briefly were talking about education and that is again another problem we are facing is that we believe the job of the teacher or job of the parent is to take the horse to the water take the child make them drink
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 And I think that is the fundamental problem.
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We are not creating the thirst.
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Because if you can make someone thirsty, you never have to take them to water or make them drink.
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They will find their own water and they will drink all their life.
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And that is what I call intellectual curiosity.
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Give them a chance to think, what if everything they want is possible?
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What if the world can be created exactly what they want?
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 So don't focus on what the world is, focus on what the world can be.
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Because if you can imagine it, you can create it.
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Well, that's your philosophy.
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You're great at, and I love it, and I agree with it.
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You're great at seeing how your work can empower others, not make them dependable.
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That's right.
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Right?
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You don't want to create things so that the world depends on you and so that you're seen as someone who's providing everything.
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Your belief is that how can we find ways to empower people uniquely?
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 And that's really interesting that as we were talking about that, you know, the company the healthcare company that I started Yeah, our mission was making illness optional not making illness obsolete because making illness obsolete says just Listen to me.
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Let me do it and you can count on me to do something instead.
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We says no and
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 My job is to empower you with information and actionable things that you can do to make illness optional.
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That means you have to have a choice and ultimately it will be your decision.
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Tell us about Viome a bit more and how you're actually going about solving that problem.
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 Healthcare is just such a huge issue.
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And I love what you said earlier that you don't want people to rely on the government to change anything, an institution to change anything, but people can become the change themselves.
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So let's talk about Vaayam.
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Yeah.
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So I think, you know, before we get to Vaayam, I just want to give you a little bit of background on how I got to be here, because as you will realize, I am not a scientist, I am not a doctor, I'm not a physician, and I will not a rocket scientist, right?
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 To me, the biggest strength that you and I have is not being an expert at what we do, right?
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You, if you came from a media and you try to do what you're doing, Jay, you'll miserably fail because you're trying to bring the knowledge of the existing paradigm into a new paradigm and you fail.
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The thing I believe you're absolutely the master at it.
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 is because you were naive.
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You were willing to challenge the foundation of everything that everybody in this industry take it for granted.
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So to me, not being an expert is your biggest expertise.
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If you are afraid to do something because you say you don't know much about it, always think that is your biggest strength, that you don't know much about it.
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And I tell people,
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 This industry has never seen anyone like me because they should be scared because I don't know what is possible.
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 I love that.
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That is unbelievable.
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That is so funny.
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That's amazing.
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So as I was finishing my project of the Moon Express, going to the moon and taking literally the moon shot, what do you do for an encore?
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And I thought, you know what, to do an encore, you got to go out and maybe solve yet another moon shot.
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And I thought the two biggest problems really that I want to solve were education
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 and healthcare, and I start to look at both of them, it turns out that both of them are very, very similar, in a sense that in both cases people believe the system is not working for them, in both cases people believe the education system and the healthcare system is completely broken, and it turns out neither of the system is actually broken.
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In both cases, it's doing exactly what it was designed to do.
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So you look at our education system,
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 It was designed to teach us skills.
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In the industrial era, we needed, you know, 50,000 people with lathe machines and 50,000 accountants and 20,000 of this skill, and you could learn that skill, use the skill for rest of your life, and life was amazing.
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In the world of exponential technologies, it doesn't matter what skill you learn, even by the time you graduate, the skill you learned has become obsolete.
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 So how do we create an education system for the new paradigm where skills are no longer needed?
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However, learning to learn is needed.
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So it is basically not that our education system is broken.
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It wasn't designed for our current system.
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And, you know, just to give you an example, if you see your grandpa using that old flip phone and say, and he's making a call, grandpa, your phone is broken.
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Grandpa says, no, the phone is
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 doing just fine.
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It was designed to dial the phone number and it does that.
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It doesn't play Angry Bird.
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It wasn't designed to play Angry Bird.
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So it's not broken.
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If your need is to play Angry Bird or to play apps, then you need a totally different phone.
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But doesn't mean your phone that was designed to be a phone is broken.
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 And that's the reason I believe the new education system will be learning to learn.
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It will be about learning to solve problems.
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And most problems tend to be multidisciplinary rather than unidisciplinary.
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That means you have to learn multiple disciplines rather than become expert in one discipline.
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 It has to be collaborative.
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It has to be adaptive, right?
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And all those things will come about.
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Today in our education system, collaboration is out the window.
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So if I'm sitting in an exam and I say, hey Jay, what do you think is the answer to this problem?
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They call that a cheating.
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 And you do the same thing in the company, people say, what a great team player.
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That is such a good example, yeah.
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So point is, we have to change the way education system has to adapt.
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Now, you look at the healthcare system, exactly the same thing.
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It was designed at the time when we were dying from infectious diseases.
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So we wage the war against the bacteria and viruses without realizing what makes us human.
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And to me, that was really the biggest learning for me was,
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 When I started looking and start to look at why is it that we spending more and more money in the healthcare and people are getting sicker and sicker.
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The hardest part for me was here is the only industry that we know of that only makes money when the customer doesn't actually get better.
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 So healthcare industry, everyone makes money when you are sick.
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And no one makes money when you are healthy.
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What other industry you can get away with that?
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In fact, when you have a chronic disease, I won't be surprised if a pharma company, then the hospitals have a ka-ching button.
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You go there and say, I got a chronic disease.
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Ka-ching, a lifetime subscriber.
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 they don't want to understand what is causing that chronic disease all they want to do is suppress the symptom so you become dependent on their drug for rest of their life now imagine
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 If you were to do a simple research and it's called Dr. Google.
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So you go to Dr. Google and you type any chronic disease, Parkinson's and microbiome.
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You type autism, depression, anxiety, autoimmune diseases, obesity, diabetes.
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 heart disease, liver cancer, pancreatic cancer, breast cancer, every one of the things I mentioned is caused by one thing and one thing only chronic low-grade inflammation causes chronic diseases and chronic inflammation happens with the imbalance of microbiome
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 And when I was going out and looking at the health care, it turns out to me that in last five to seven years, the research is pretty clear that every chronic disease is caused by the imbalance of microbiome.
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And people are wondering, what is that term he's talking about, the microbiome?
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Let's take a step back.
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We as humans, there are more foreign cells in our human body than the cells we get from our mom and dad.
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There are more foreign cells than the human cells.
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That is nothing.
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In fact,
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 A lot of people talk about our genes are our destiny.
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Now one thing people don't realize is from the time you are born to the time you die, your genes never change.
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Your DNA stays the same from the time you're born to the time you die.
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 Somewhere along the lines, you get sick.
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How can that possibly be your DNA?
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It has to be something else.
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And so it is really not your genes, but your gene expression.
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And it turns out that human genes that we get from a mom and dad, their only gene expression, when it comes to gene expression, our human DNA only expresses 20,000 genes.
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That's it.
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 There are organisms that are living inside the gut.
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40 trillion of them.
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And how much is 40 trillion?
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Just to put in the context.
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There are 7 billion people live on this planet earth.
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If there are 5000 different earth, all the people combined live inside the single person.
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 40 trillion of these organisms live inside us.
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They produce somewhere between 2 million to 20 million genes.
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They express 2 million to 20 million genes.
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That means at best we are 1% human.
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 What happens in our gut controls everything in our body.
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And it's very interesting that we talk about these mental diseases.
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Every day there is a research that shows that how our gut controls our, there is a neural circuit.
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In fact, now they found how it is synaptically connected to our brain reward center.
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So imagine when you're depressed, what's the first thing you do?
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You eat.
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When you're anxious,
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 You get butterfly in your stomach, you don't get butterfly in your head, right?
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It's very interesting is that suddenly we starting to realize that gut may be key to our overall health and overall being.
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And I can say that to you, I never tell anyone, in the Eastern philosophy, right?
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When you go back and not only talks about the gut, in fact, you know what?
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Mom will say, listen to your gut, do your gut check.
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But I was gonna say something different.
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Remember Brahma?
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 the creator of the universe, it comes out of navel.
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It shows that's where the life starts.
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Life starts in the gut.
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In fact, the first time we are seeded is when the baby goes through the mother's birth canal.
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That's where we're seeded with all these microbes.
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The first seven days of mother's milk,
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 Contains cholesterol cholesterol cannot be digested by the human body.
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It can only be digested by the microbes in the gut So imagine what nature is telling us.
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I just created this offspring The only way to keep this offspring healthy it to not to feed it but to feed them Because when you feed them, they release the nutrients it actually Modulates and trains our immune system.
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Now if you think of a human body
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 It's pretty gross to think that way.
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We are actually like a donut, right?
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There's a tube that goes through in the middle for us, right?
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And our human body is really around.
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Around the tube.
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70% of all of our immune system is along our gut lining.
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That means our microbes are constantly training our immune system.
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Immune system is what causes the inflammation.
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Immune system is what keeps us actually alive and healthy.
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 Now, so most people have very hard time understanding this concept of microbiome.
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So I came up with this alternate tongue-in-cheek story of what made us human, or how humans were created.
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And if you can indulge me for two minutes, I'd like to share that story.
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Yeah, yeah, go on, I wanna hear it.
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Because once you hear that story, you can never un-hear it.
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Okay, let's do it.
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 So, you know, if you imagine that we know this planet is 3.6, you know, 4.6 billion years old and about three and a half billion years ago, you start to see life on this planet, the amoebas, the bacteria and viruses and yeast and the fungus and mold.
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Humans are only a couple of million years old.
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 So how did humans come to be?
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So imagine if this is how it could have happened.
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And I'll give you the scientific basis for each one of the things that I'll tell you with a tongue in cheek.
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So imagine now, one day, all these bacteria and viruses and organisms got together and said, we're sick and tired of living in this small space.
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We want to take over the world.
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And they all looked at each other.
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One of the smarter ones said, I have an idea.
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What's your idea?
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What if we can create something bipedal?
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 What if trillions of us could live inside it?
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All we have to do is keep this thing healthy.
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We can make it crave any food we want.
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It's going to go run around everywhere and find the food for us, and it's going to feed us.
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And it's going to go everywhere in the world.
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It's going to poop everywhere.
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It's going to spread us around, and we're going to take over the world.
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And they created this new invention, and they call that humans.
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 And after they created humans, they all started to wonder, what have they just done?
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 So today, as we are all afraid of artificial intelligence, and we wonder what if someday AI becomes smarter than humans, what is going to happen to us humans?
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These organisms were no dumb.
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They said, oh my God, what have we just done?
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What if someday our invention becomes smarter than us?
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What is going to happen to us?
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They reassemble and say, master, master, we have a problem.
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 What is the problem, son?
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Master, aren't you worried we created humans?
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What if someday they become smarter than us?
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Master said, don't worry, we put all the controls in place.
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What are those, master?
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 Humans seem to be forgetting that inside their cell, this thing they call mitochondria, it is one of our bacterial brother right inside their cell.
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It powers their energy.
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It gives energy to their cell.
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And remember, we all talk to it all the time.
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Anytime they don't take good care of us, we tell our brother to shut the energy down, and they're all dead.
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Master, that is brilliant.
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But are you forgetting something?
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They're starting to develop something called brain.
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What are we going to do about that?
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 That's the first thing we thought about.
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Remember, we all live in the gut.
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We put a direct connection to the brain.
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 And can you believe that?
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They call that a vagus nerve.
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They were thinking like, if they call it after Las Vegas, what happens in the gut is gonna stay in the gut.
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They were wrong.
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What happens in the gut goes everywhere.
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Now, I'm gonna tell you a secret.
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We control their mood and emotions.
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We use the vagus nerve to control their amygdala.
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We control their prefrontal cortex.
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 Now, what makes them feel good, this serotonin thing, we don't let them produce much of that.
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90% of all the serotonin, we produce it ourselves in the gut.
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If they wanna feel good, they better feed us right.
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Now, like a good leader, we make them think they are the one who are making the decisions.
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We sit here, we pull all the strings.
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So we are the puppet master, they are simply our puppet.
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So sit back, relax, we have taken over the world.
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 Now imagine to that story Jay.
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Yeah, it sounds really fictional No, but there is a nature paper that was published three months ago that says how microbiome in our gut uses the micro RNA interference to control our amygdala
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 For their own benefit they control our mood and emotions for their own benefit There was a paper that was published that how microbiome and mitochondria Constantly are communicating in aging.
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So as we age our microbiome changes it reflects in the mitochondria that changes our energy And now they're able to find that they can replace the mitochondria in the cell and the signs of aging go away
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 So I really believe that every day we are now finding that there is a neural circuit that's directly connected to our brain, and they've optically stimulated the epithelial cells, the gut lining, and within milliseconds, it actually hit the reward center of our brain.
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Someday when we think our gut is our secondary brain, what if we are wrong?
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What if that is the primary brain?
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Before this was developed, our brain was developed,
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 We had the gut.
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Gut may be the primary brain.
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Just like we used to think the Earth is the center of the solar system, and when Galileo said it may not be right, they started stone him to death, right?
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What if we are wrong?
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What if gut is really the key?
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What if the gut is the brain, and we are simply are the puppets that are actually run by these organisms?
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And when we die, these organisms simply find a new host.
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 Wow.
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So what we do at Wyoming is very interesting.
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We found the technology that was developed at Los Alamos National Lab.
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They were trying to solve the problem of the biodefense work.
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And they developed an amazing technology that can look at your gut, every single organism, not just who they are,
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 not who is active, but most importantly, what are they doing?
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And by looking at what they are doing, we are able to now understand what is causing the inflammation in your body and what nutrients you're lacking.
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So now you can personalize the food for every individual and saying, if food that's good for you may not be good for me.
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And one of the very interesting things we're learning is there's no such thing as universal healthy food.
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 Spinach that people, Popeye taught all of us, it was healthy.
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It turns out spinach has so much oxalic acid.
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Unless you have enzymes in your gut to detoxify oxalic acid, when you eat spinach, it's going to harm you.
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Same thing happens with pomegranate juice and the blackberry.
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 People who go on a keto diet, what happens is they eat too much protein.
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And some people, when they eat too much protein, it doesn't digest in the upper intestine, it goes to the colon, and it feeds the protein fermenters that releases the ammonia and sulfite, and it causes higher inflammation that causes bloating, and by the way, chronic low-grade inflammation that may end up as obesity, diabetes, and all other chronic diseases.
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 So what we actually do is to be able to tell you what food is good for you and why, what food is bad for you and why, and specifically just for you.
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So here we are able to now understand the key to the health and what is a healthy food for one person is not healthy for someone else.
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And food is really the medicine.
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And here's very interesting.
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We felt really, really good that we have really cracked the code of understanding what is human.
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 And history is amazing to keep you humble.
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We go back and look at what Hippocrates said 2500 years ago.
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All diseases begin in the gut.
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 one man's food is another man's poison let food be thy medicine let thy medicine be the food and i'm thinking really well even before that you have Ayurveda that's my point right Ayurveda 5000 years ago 5000 years ago what did they say everyone understood they did that thing at a gross level on the Kappa Pitta right and they still really
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 Gut is the key everything everything was in the gut and you know If you go back and look at the ayurveda, it talks about the life starting in the gut Yeah, and it talked about looking at the gut and finding out what is going on and telling you what food is good for you And that we all have a unique makeup unique.
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We're all different, right?
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Yeah, how did it happen that we forgot everything?
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well, we ignore it right like we want to be the discoverer and
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 We want to be the inventors and therefore we don't like using previous discovery, not recognizing that everything was previously talked about.
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But that is the beauty that if you want to make a big change, you have to stand on the shoulders of the previous giants.
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That requires humility, like you said.
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That requires the humility to do that.
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Otherwise, it's much more fun to think you founded something.
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 It's like my saying, oh, we found the food is the medicine.
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Really?
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No, we did not.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But we like that.
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It feeds us.
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The only thing we did is we are able to now scientifically prove what they already knew.
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Which is brilliant.
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I'm so happy to hear that.
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Like, it's brilliant.
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It's modernizing Ayurveda.
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That's exactly what it is, right?
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Now, that is the reason, you know, when people like Deepak Chopra listen to me and they say, really?
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So now you're learning Ayurveda?
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 Really?
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That's what I'm doing.
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Yeah, but the difference is you're not just learning it, you're finding out ways where we can be more specific, more detailed, and we can do it at scale, which I think is powerful.
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And also explain to the people in a simpler word the science behind it.
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 Yes, absolutely.
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And that's what we need.
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We need that.
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Like, I think all of these ancient sciences exist of the mind, of the gut, etc.
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But if we're not able to explain it to people in a powerful, productive way, so what you're doing is just unbelievable.
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But here's the interesting part.
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Doing that, it can only work if actually when people try, but we have to come together as humanity.
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So interesting thing is, look at the pharmaceutical companies.
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 They, to large extent, they want to keep us sick.
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And, you know, a chronic disease to them, as we said, is really about a subscriber.
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From their perspective, they believe that humanity will never come together.
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 And when you get the data about one person, it is about data about one person.
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If you want to solve this problem for billions of people, millions of us have to come together so we can understand exactly the different permutation and combinations of the organisms and peptides and enzymes in your gut.
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So once we understand that for every single disease, that's why we believe we can make disease optional.
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But unfortunately, I can't do it myself.
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 We have to have a million people come together to help us solve this problem.
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And if we don't...
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 We're gonna watch our children and grandchildren suffer.
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I believe our generation is the first generation that has the technology at its disposal to once for all eliminate chronic diseases.
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And if we don't do it, it'll be a missed opportunity for all of us.
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And I don't know about you, but I have three children, RJ, and I cannot watch them go through this.
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And my dad just passed away two weeks ago.
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 From pancreatic cancer and I was reading the research it clearly shows that how pancreatic cancer is caused by the microbiome moving from the gut Going to pancreas shutting down the immune system and I was by his side when he passed away two weeks ago And I said dad, I you know, I wish I had started this company two years ago.
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I would have found the solution
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 I can't help you, but I promise you I'm going to work twice as hard to make sure no one else suffers from it.
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So I have made it my mission to make sure that, you know, we can eliminate these sufferings from chronic diseases.
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Anyone who has seen their, you know, parents go through dementia, Alzheimer, or any types of chronic diseases.
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We look at autoimmune disease is so prevalent in our society now.
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 And when you look at the drug, all they do is simply suppress the immune system.
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They don't care what causes the disease.
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No one wants to look at the root cause of what is causing the disease.
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They simply say, let's suppress the immune system if you're autoimmune disease.
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But doc, if you suppress the immune system, don't you think I'm going to get other diseases?
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Oh yeah, but we got drugs for them.
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 But what happens when I take those drugs?
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Well, you're gonna get other symptoms, but don't worry We got drugs for them and by the time you get to my age, you're popping more pills than blueberries Yeah, that is a sickening system where no one is looking at what makes people sick Everyone is trying to keep the people sick so they can making money So I really hope that people who are listening to this understand that we actually can come together and solve this problem and if all of us can come together
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 our generation will be the one that will be known for solving this problem.
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So let's stand up together.
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Let's not just watch it happen.
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I loved what you said to me when we were outside around.
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A lot of people, if you're listening right now, first of all, if you can't see me, I'm nodding because
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 I want to be a part of this change.
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Thank you for sharing the story about your father as well and what you promised him because I genuinely believe that so many of these issues can be eradicated if we approach it in the right way.
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When I moved to the US, I was shocked to see the advertising around pills and healthcare.
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Can you believe that?
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I could not believe it.
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I just could not believe that every advert in between a show was about, I mean, the small print says it all.
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I couldn't believe that that's legal.
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Like it just blew my mind.
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But here's the thing.
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 What they don't tell you is that the best selling drug has efficacy of 20%.
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And what people don't understand what efficacy means, that means 80% of the people will have no benefit.
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20% of the people who do benefit will also have all the other things.
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That means 100% of the people will be harmed.
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 100% of the people will be harmed and 20% may also get some benefit.
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What other industry you can get away with that?
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I know.
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How is that legal?
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I don't get it.
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How is that legal?
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That's the industrial, medical industrial complex is what is really keeping us sick.
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And if we came together as humanity and we all were able to understand our gut and we could all come together to really collect all the data that makes us sick, imagine what will happen.
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 Our children, our grandchildren will never have to suffer for it.
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No.
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Absolutely.
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I hope we can all come together.
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I hope so too.
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My recommendation is that, you know, please sign up for Wyoming if you can.
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And I'm going to actually make it, you know, give everyone a
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 At our cost, that means we make zero cent from it.
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I'm going to offer that to all of the people who are listening to it, that they can do it at our cost.
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Amazing.
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Thank you so much.
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And I, and I highly recommend it as well.
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I highly recommend it.
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We need to get to that place.
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It's, it's unbelievable what you're doing.
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It's unbelievable what you're doing.
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I wanted to talk about that to get everyone in before we shift the conversation slightly.
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 I want to end that part of the conversation on this point that you raised outside around some people may be listening and going, wow, Naveen, you're super smart, which you are.
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You're super talented, which you are.
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But you're dealing with really big problems.
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I'm trying to solve small ones.
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But I love the example you gave me outside about solving small versus big problems.
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Yeah.
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So I think, Jay, what we were talking about is so much.
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First of all, it takes same amount of energy.
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If you're going to do something in life, make it meaningful.
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 Do something that you actually are passionate about.
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What are you willing to die for and then live for it?
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Imagine, God forbid, you're actually successful in doing what you're doing.
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Would it actually move the needle?
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Would it help a billion people live a better life?
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And what we were talking about is
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 It's easier to solve a bigger problem than to solve a small problem.
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And here's why I say that.
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If you start to take something a small problem, like we give an example of finding a better roommate.
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Sure.
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And you tell someone, hey, what are you working on?
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I'm building an iPhone app to find a better roommate.
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People say, great idea.
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Go have fun.
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 When you tell someone you're going to make illness optional, people stop and say tell me more.
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And I have seen the best and the brightest.
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 quit their job, join you because they believe this problem is worth solving.
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So I remember when I started this company, not being a scientist and a doctor, I went up on a national TV and I say, you know what?
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I think time has come for us to make illness optional.
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And I describe what can we do.
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And I got a call from the head of IBM Watson.
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He said, I can build the AI for you.
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 that can do that.
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And if you can go get me the data what's happening inside the gut, I'm going to quit my job and I'm going to come and join you because this problem is worth solving.
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A scientist at the Los Alamos National Lab who has been working in the federal for 15 years solving this problem calls and say, you know what, I can tell you exactly everything what's happening inside the people gut.
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I want to come and join you.
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Quit my cushy job.
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Come and join me because this problem is worth solving.
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 And suddenly we had the best and the brightest coming together and every VC starts calling and say, Oh my God, what are you doing?
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Why are all these brilliant people joining you?
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And they want to give you money.
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So imagine what happened.
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I never had to look for the talent, never had to look for money because we were solving a problem that was big enough that is worth solving.
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And that's why I believe
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 Anyone who is listening to just remember two things.
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If you know nothing about it, that is the advantage you have.
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And if you're solving something big, the humanity will come together.
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Universe will align itself to bring the talent from all over the world to come to you.
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 No longer we are bound by the geographical boundaries.
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A best and the brightest in India or Ukraine or London will come to help you because you no longer have to be in the same geographical location.
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And that's why I believe entrepreneurs are going to be the next superpowers.
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It is not going to be the nation states.
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Individuals like you and IJ and a small group of people are now solving the problem that only the kings and the queens and the aristocrats and superpowers did.
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 whether it is going to the moon or is solving the health care problem.
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Solving the problem of the climate change is not going to be Kyoto Treaty or Paris Treaty.
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It's going to be an entrepreneur like Elon Musk.
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It is not going to be solved by health care, by Obama care, Trump care, Putin care.
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It's going to be solved by some entrepreneur saying, enough is enough.
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Let's get rid of the diseases.
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Let's not just prevent it.
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Let's reverse them.
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 And that is the kind of things, education system is gonna be solved by some entrepreneur listening to this podcast and saying, I'm going to go out and solve that problem.
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There's gonna be an entrepreneur who's gonna go out and say, let's make enough of the food so the food becomes abundance.
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And again, going back to how do you take the problem and finding out is it a symptom of the problem or is it a root cause?
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 And I want to give one more example, Jay.
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Yeah, do it.
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I'm feeling super empowered.
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Because I want people to know how to think about the problem.
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So, for example, if most people will believe today that, you know, lack of fresh water is one of the bigger problems on this planet.
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 And you are an entrepreneur, you go out and start to think about solving that problem.
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You say, can I build some type of a nano filter in a tube that means when you're drinking it, it actually shreds the microorganism and I can have the fresh water.
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 and you feel good about that you're working on the right problem, until you realize that majority of the fresh water is actually used for agriculture.
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And you say, aha, what if I can change the way agriculture is done, use aeroponic agriculture, aquaponic agriculture, or even use the seeds that can use lightly salted water?
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Won't that fundamentally create enough fresh water for humanity?
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And you feel really good.
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 until you realize that majority of the agriculture is used to feed the cattle.
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And you say, aha, if people want to eat cattle, the beef, can I actually create beef using the stem cell from the cow, just like nature does?
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Nature starts with a single cell and multiplies and creates all the different tissues, skin tissue, the muscle tissues, the eyes and the liver and the lung.
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If all you want to eat is muscle tissues, why create any other tissue?
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 And now you can create just with a single cell all the muscle tissues and you can have