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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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I m a huge fan of educating oneself and listening to people talk about studies and relaying that information in an articulate way.
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But the only way you re going to know is you ve got to get off the sideline, you ve got to get in the game, and you ve got to try things.
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And if you don t try things, then how will you ever know?
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And I don t like this whole arena where we have to ask permission so much if we can try something.
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No one is sovereign over you except yourself.
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So we see a lot of that.
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We see a lot of hair loss.
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But overall, I think people really like it.
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We do a lot more body contouring now because people have lost the weight and now they want to tone up.
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So we do, you know, muscle strengthening, toning, firming type treatments.
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Everybody, welcome back to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.
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Today, I m really excited to announce for the third time two of our favorite people, two of our favorite guests, Dr. Craig Conover and his lovely wife, Kelly Conover.
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For those of you that are unfamiliar with Dr. Craig, he is the founder of Conover Wellness, has been practicing performance medicine for over 14 years.
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His wife, Kelly, has an MBA from the Citadel and a doctorate in health administration from the Medical University of South Carolina.
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Kelly is also the founder of Conover Aesthetics.
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This duo works hand in hand, both on the aesthetic side and the medical side, to give us all of the best health, skincare, wellness advice.
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And Lauren and I have known this couple for years now.
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Whenever I have a medical issue, whenever Lauren has a medical issue, whenever we re going to get
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deep into skin.
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We call them up.
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We have them on speed dial at this point, and we re always badgering them about all sorts of stuff.
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We love having them on the podcast because we cover so many different topics with them every time they come on.
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On this episode, we re talking all about the issues with modern day medicine, all things female hormones and menopause.
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We re talking about TRT, the pros and cons, the ozempic craze, navigating diagnoses and when to take them seriously and when to kind of
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tap into your own power.
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We talk about the truth about taking collagen, the healthiest, well-rounded diet, so many different things, EMFs.
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This is an episode for anyone that wants to live better, feel better, understand more about themselves, understand more about the medical industry.
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With that, Dr. Craig, Kelly, welcome back to The Skinny Confidential, him and her show for the third time.
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This is The Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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I would like to kick this conversation off with talking about a whole 360 approach to health.
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Because when I say that you re my doctor, I don t mean like
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the doctor that people are thinking in their head where I go for a yearly checkup and see a never.
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Right.
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I m talking with you and over text.
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It s a very like wellnessy approach.
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How would you describe all the touch points that you do from a 360 perspective?
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I think for me, it s about building relationships, you know, and I think the way I look at it, part of my job, what I enjoy doing in the passion is helping empower people to be sovereign over the choices they make.
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And, you know, a kicker that I ve been on recently is just, you know, kind of calling out the truth of things.
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You know, we, we, we are being poisoned, you know, like literally poisoned with the food, the environment, with all the.
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non-native EMFs.
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And like, you know, as a country, we spend the most amount on healthcare and we have the worst outcomes, right?
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And if we look statistically greater than 50% of adults in United States, overweight, tired, depressed on multiple pharmaceuticals, and that is the standard of care.
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And so for me, it s like, if I can get to know the people I work with, well,
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We can transcend all of that and cut through that and find solutions.
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And it s, it s a journey of solutions and everyone has different goals.
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Everyone s an individual.
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Everyone comes to it with, you know, some people want to lose weight and some people want to work on their skin and some people want to detox and there s just so many options.
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But I think what I m enjoying now is really getting kind of to the crux of why are we, you know, lying and be being a medical professional and being a part of that.
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And we saw that with the whole COVID thing too.
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I think there s a lot of skepticism now around medical care and people don t know who to believe or what to believe.
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I think a lot of.
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People that were considered skeptics have been proven right in many cases and it was a very divisive time and people are now just like, well then who the hell do you believe and what are the things we should be paying attention to?
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Where do you start with all that and land with all that?
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I don t want to diminish the entire medical community, but I think there s a lot of skepticism now because a lot of people that were maybe in positions of authority have maybe misled some people.
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And I think people became aware of that.
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And now people are like, well, then what the hell is the truth?
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Yeah, I think it s hard.
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I think it s hard because you have the conventional medical peoples, you know, which is dictated by the pharmaceutical model and not that there s anything wrong with that, right?
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I mean, the modern day medicines are great and they serve a purpose.
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Then you have a lot of the fitness gurus, people who are telling you if to work out and be exhausted every day to, you know, meet your goals and fast and do all these crazy things and get in the sauna every day and cold plunge.
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And it s all data driven and it s very hard for people to,
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know like what s authentic.
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And that s why I m a big fan of like, you know, letting people experience stuff.
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And, and I think the key though is, you know, people finding harmony within themselves by trying things.
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And I think this idea that, okay, I have to go put my foot on the gas all day long to be healthy and seek some measures like longevity markers doesn t make a lot of sense.
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So to answer that question more directly, I think it s by direct experience, right?
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Like everyone has to figure that out for themselves.
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And that can be hard for people.
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Right.
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And that s the trouble is a lot of people, you know, in our society from, from a power position, like you re saying, have given us misleading information and it s very challenging for people to know what s right.
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But I think, you know, I don t think people have to say, I m going to see my doctors because they re on the corner.
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They take my insurance.
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I think we can get beyond that.
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I think we can find people that we relate to who seem interested in helping people.
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And there s a lot of great people out there.
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I think what s so great about you is you do feel like it s a curated, customized experience tailored to meet the patient s needs and wants.
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And I think the personalization is so important.
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Do you get pushback from the medical community on your avant-garde way of doing things?
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I have gotten pushback.
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Yeah.
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How do you handle it?
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More so recently.
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It s confirming and reaffirming that I m on the right path.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It s, I know that, you know, we are here to help people find solutions, authentic solutions, and getting pushback shows that we re disrupting something.
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And I like that, you know, and so we kind of operate on an island to ourselves and that s good, you know, because I,
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Again, getting really authentic and real with people is really important, right?
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Because if we re just gonna stay at the surface level and say, oh, you need all of these drugs and processed foods and crazy exercise to be healthy, that s just not true.
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And most people can t keep up with that.
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So to answer your question, yeah, we definitely get pushback.
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What are things that you re doing for your clients that you see working on a big mass scale?
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I think what we re good at is being there with people to help map out
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you know, kind of, for example, we keep it really practical, like someone wants to lose weight, right?
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And we can talk about, okay, you re here point A, and you want to get all the way over here to point B to lose weight, and you want to lose 10 pounds or 20 pounds.
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And for everyone, that s a little different, right?
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And so we don t want to use generic advice, which is, oh, you know, change up your diet, work out more.
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But it s going to take a lot of zigs and zags and go different ways.
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And so what I think we re good at is providing solutions and then being there when things don t go well and going awry or, you know, needing to edit the plan.
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And that trust that we form and that rapport is really important.
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Cause really the, the moment it works is when someone wants it to work for themselves, right?
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Like when that light bulb goes off and says, I can do this and that there s tons of options and I want to be sovereign over the choices I make.
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That s when it works.
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It doesn t work.
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You know, the paternalistic medicine, the model in medicine doesn t work where the doctor saying you have to do this.
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Right, we ve seen we re failing at that, but it does work when the patient raises their hand and say, I feel empowered to make choices in my life that, you know, I really want to see a positive impact.
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One, like we have a personal relationship.
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So I feel like it s the first time in my life that with a doctor, I feel like I can say what I m actually thinking and feeling, if that makes sense.
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I think some people get intimidated going to the doctor and you re in this office and you re letting them do the, you know, so we have that rapport.
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And then my second follow up is like, Kelly, you have a much different relationship.
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But in the relationship you have with Dr. Craig, how do you utilize his expertise?
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Because I think that s going to be revealing in the way that people could potentially think about tapping into a doctor with this experience.
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Well sure, so on the skin side, I mean that s just the outward reflection, right?
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So it all comes back to what s going on on the inside.
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not just from a health perspective, but a mental perspective as well.
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So I think it all, that s our entire approach, you know, is that it s this inside out approach to health and wellness.
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And that s then reflected in the skin.
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So I pull him in routinely.
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If a patient is struggling with acne, we ve tried a host of different topical ingredients.
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Maybe we ve done a laser treatment.
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They re not getting results.
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We want to look at the blood work.
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But I mean also for you personally, like if you re feeling, like do you, is he your doctor?
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Oh yeah.
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He s his doctor.
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What kind of doctor?
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Are we talking like porn doctor?
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He s my doctor.
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So we met in 2015.
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Kelly was my patient and then very shortly after that, I fired her.
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I literally fired her as a patient.
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I said to her, I m going to fire you as a patient because I want to ask you out.
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That s correct.
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So you were into it.
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Not as much as him, of course.
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Yeah, but this is the trick.
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You always make sure that they like you more than you like them.
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I never want to, like, you can love me way more than I love you.
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Like, that s how it always needs to be.
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I think that s good.
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I think that s a good policy.
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Yeah.
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That works well.
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Yeah.
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Someone s going to call me sexist now, you know.
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Oh, good.
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So, but what I m saying is like, because I guess what I m trying to get at is like the things that I would ask you or bring to you because of relationship we have is different than any doctors I ve had before.
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But I would imagine with you, and I think it s informative because some people maybe sometimes they re having issues and they just don t feel as confident or comfortable tapping in or like when are the times you actually go to him and say, okay, like I need some medical advice here.
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pretty daily because I m dealing with what I think is early like perimenopause.
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So all of the things that go along with that hair loss.
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I ve lost two-thirds of my hair since December.
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Just fatigue, mental things, you know.
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So I ve gone to him a lot for that recently.
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He s done blood work, checked my estrogen, et cetera, et cetera.
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Is that where you start first with the blood?
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Is that, do you typically do that or is it?
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I mean, it depends.
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I mean, some of the, some of the blood work is probably, you know, in my view is probably overdone by doctors and probably unnecessary, but if it makes the patient feel like, okay, we re doing something that s good, you know, in Kelly s case, checking her hormones is really important because she is going through that kind of transitional time where things get weird, funky from a hormonal perspective.
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And it s, it s, we need that objective data.
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Why do you think that your hair is falling out?
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You think it s from pre-menopause?
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I do, yeah.
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That, stress, two major bouts of sickness, COVID, the flu, sickest I ve ever been.
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She had the flu two months ago, so sick.
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I think these viruses are ramping up, it feels like.
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I mean, I don t know, maybe it s just age, but it feels like.
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I thought that was just us.
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The kids going to school, I was like, I think they bring home the plague.
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Don t even say that, though, because we haven t gotten sick in a while.
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Don t even say that.
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months ago I was like, I m done, phone it in, shut it all down.
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Wait, I have a question that I feel this is the perfect question for both of you.
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When you come to him and say, I m losing hair, I feel like I m getting premenopausal, do you put her on hormones?
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Does that mean it s time for a hormone intervention?
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Not yet, he didn t say.
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Well, we re about to.
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I mean, she s about to start progesterone, which is common because for women, just elemental level, you know, the first hormone to decline for females is progesterone.
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Most women won t be able to keep up with progesterone demands starting in their thirties, certainly in their forties.
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You know, Kelly s going to be what, 44.
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Yeah, and so that s common for women to have a lower progesterone output during the month and that progesterone is so important to balance estrogen.
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If you get estrogen dominant, it can lead to a whole host of things.
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Progesterone, we re talking about bioidentical progesterone, very safe, works very well.
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Talk to us about TRT.
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Testosterone?
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Yeah.
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I don t want it.
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It breaks me out.
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Yeah, it s challenging for women.
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I mean, men love it and it s great for women too.
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I mean, testosterone, it s a bio-social hormone, so it s unique.
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It s like the locker room effect.
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So the more testosterone you re around, actually you can raise your testosterone, which is interesting.
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But I think of testosterone really being beneficial for the nervous system first.
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So typically a man will come in, men start to lose testosterone in their thirties, forties, same as like women progesterone, and they start to get depressed, cranky, don t sleep as well, not confident, obviously physical things they don t recover as easily, harder to keep lean muscle mass, they can gain weight, decrease in libido.
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And these are all very real things.
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And you know, for a long time, men were told this is just aging, suck it up.
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Testosterone is a very powerful hormone and it s, yeah.
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Does it make you grow a small penis clit?
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Because my friend went on it and maybe she took too much and she told me that her clit like grew.
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Is this true?
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I think anything s possible, Lauren.
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I guess it s true for your friend.
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That s what I m gonna say.
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I just wanted to know if it s something that happens regularly.
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I don t hear this from people, so.
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Maybe they re taking too much.
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Yeah, I mean, I think anything s possible.
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There s going to be feedback loops.
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Okay.
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Right?
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And so there s feedback loops from the brain to the genitals that, you know, some, it could work both ways.
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But let s, I want to actually stay on this topic for a while.
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My friend, actually, we re at dinner last night and my friend goes, actually, I m not going to say it, put the blast, the gym on blast, but if you re in Austin, it s like one of the more fit community and people know the gym we re talking about.
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And he was saying that like a lot of the guys in there are like raving about TRT and love it.
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What I told him, and I did a post the other day and I got some people writing questions like, are you on TRT?
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And I said, not yet.
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I m sure that I will be one day at some point.
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My perspective is that I m holding off now until I feel some of the symptoms that you re talking about, until we do our blood work and get into that.
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You are cranky sometimes.
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Yeah, well I m cranky sometimes.
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Maybe I ll do a GRT then.
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But what I was saying is that I think that there, and we ve talked about that, is there s a real place and time for it, but that also people could maybe abuse it or start too early when not necessary.
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And I want you to talk about that, both for men and women.
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Because what I told this guy as he s young, and I was like, I don t think you need to
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do that.
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There s other things you can do before that.
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Yeah.
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I remember I had a patient, he was like, I don t know, mid twenties.
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This was many years ago, college athlete.
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And he got started probably at the age 17 or 18, taking testosterone and taking growth hormone.
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Right.
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And so he felt like Superman.
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And so for years he could wake up to a really intense workout, get gains, not feel sore and do it every day.
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And it was awesome.
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And it was great for him.
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And then he got involved in a relationship and he wanted to have a child.
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It s very challenging to maintain healthy sperm production when you re on exogenous testosterone, because the testosterone you re taking will shut down the signaling from your brain.
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And then your testicles don t make proper sperm.
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Yeah.
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And so here he is in his mid twenties and we had to pull him off.
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And typically what happens when you pull someone off those things, they crash.
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And he really suffered.
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I mean, he felt horrible.
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So what can he do?
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So you can take other things.
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This is where we use medicines like Clomid or Clomiphene, HCG, there s botanical herbs.
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You re trying to just support the whole hormonal system, but there s going to be a fall off.
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From your perspective then, and I guess you can t prescribe a specific age because everyone s different, but typically when s the moment when you would go to one of your patients and say, okay, now s the time to maybe intervene with this tool?
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I think when they re symptomatic.
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So, and again, I see it presenting with, you know, their nervous system.
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Right.
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And so they ll get fatigue because I ve been on testosterone for a good, I don t know, 15, 20 years.
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And when it s low or I ve been off, I have, I can t stay awake during the day.
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I get cranky.
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It s harder to laugh.
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It s harder to feel good and positive.
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You don t sleep well.
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And so you start to see that from a man s perspective.
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Women are different.
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Women don t have those same types of feelings, but women will measure their hormones.
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For a female, we think their total
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Testosterone should be 40 or higher.
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That s where it should be.
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Most women are way less than that.
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And so they tend to be, again, we re trying to like say, the way you feel is related to the level of this hormone or that hormone.
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So for women, it can be similar, decrease in muscle mass, gaining weight, brain fog, just not feeling that, you know, confident.
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The challenge with women, like Kelly said, is some women s skin is sensitive to testosterone.
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So if they take it, now they re going to break out, get oily skin, acne, facial hair, things like that.
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And so you just have to find that balance.
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That s a balance.
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So women, a lot of women can do well with testosterone just sparingly once or twice a week.
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Whereas men don t really tend to care about acne and oily skin.
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What about the pellet that people put in?
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I m not a fan of pellets.
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Can you speak on that?
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So pellets would be a convenience way, right?
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So you re taking a pellet of hormones, usually testosterone, estrogen are used.
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They re administered under the skin.
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And the idea is they re long acting.
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So they re going to sit there for a while and slowly over time kind of deposit the hormone into the bloodstream.
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Problem is I ve seen a lot of problems.
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One, people have gotten abscesses from administering, getting the pellets inside their skin.
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You get very high levels.
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My main problem is you get super, super high levels of hormones.
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I like to mimic what s happening in nature as we do hormone replacement.
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And never in nature would you come across that much testosterone or that much estrogen at one time.
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You just wouldn t.
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But people like it, so a lot of guys look at pellets and they re like, I m Superman.
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You are, but then there s usually a fallout and it s hard to maintain.
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But then they plateau or they decline and they re like, well, it s not working.
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Well, it is, it s just you had unrealistic goals.
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So I think there s a lot of reasons not to use pellets.
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The mini penis clit was from a pellet.
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So it could have been way too much.
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That makes sense.
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And I think this brings me to my next question.
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The other day I saw this thing about this doctor talking about semi-glutide.
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Is that how you say it?
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Semi-glutide, yeah.
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Semi-glutide.
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It s like one of the brand names, yeah?
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Yeah, it s one of the brand names.
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That s the generic, so ozempic.
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But she was saying she does not like the ozempic pen because it s one size fits all.
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Sure.
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she prefers to use semi-glutide as a microdose.
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Sure.
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I think I sent it to you to get your opinion for the podcast.
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That s what we ve been doing for a couple of years.
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Okay.
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Can you explain the differences between that?
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Yeah.
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So semi-glutide or Ozempic, that s where it started a couple of years ago, FDA approved for type two diabetics to help with blood sugar management.
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And what they found is that people were losing weight.
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And so then people caught onto that and doctors started prescribing it for not just diabetics, for anyone wanting to lose weight.
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And it s a brand name medicine, comes in a pen, a click pen.
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It s actually a peptide, the ozempic.
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So that is not the patent form, it s the pen is what s patented.
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That s why it s a brand name.
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And a lot of these drugs get put in pens so that they can be a brand name medicine.
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So what was found was very convenient.
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Once a week shot into the subcutaneous tissue, people reliably lose weight.
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With that one, the ozempic, the semaglutide, there tends to be more nausea and then constipation.
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And then there s version 2.0, which is Bongiorno or terzepatide, which we use a lot more of.
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Less nausea, less side effects, but faster weight loss.
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And the idea with getting a compounded form is just like you re saying, we can play around with the dosages.
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We don t have to be at a set dose.
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Makes it so much easier.
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So again, we re going back to what you guys started with, like, how do we feel like we re different?
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We want to walk the walk with patients.
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And so we want to be there for them, even if they re two weeks in and, oh my goodness, I m not losing weight.
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Can we adjust it?
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Sure.
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Let s tweak it.
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We don t have to use the same set doses.
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And we just follow them over time.
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It s been great for people, very reliable.
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I know there s, it s controversial, right?
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Like people are like, I don t want to do it because it s unsafe.
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I think it s very safe in the short term for most people, which is for most people, it s going to be less than a year now.
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We have people who have been on it for more than a year.
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What we don t want to see is people losing facial fat, muscle loss, hair thinning.
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Those are very real things.
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Fatigue.
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So you ve seen it working if you use it in a micro-dosed way.
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For sure.
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And then some people, once they reach the weight loss they want to, they can maintain it in kind of a micro-dose, like you re saying, like a smaller dose once a week, once every couple of weeks.
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Because what it does is it slows down your gut transit time of food.
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And so it s going to slow down.
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It s going to make you feel more full.
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And then psychologically, what s interesting is people
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aren t thinking about food as much.
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So we have a clinic in London, and the people in London have told me what they like about it is it s very social, right?
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Everyone s going out to dinner every night.
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Food is always on their mind, and when they start taking triseptide or ozempic, they re not thinking about food.
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Now they re freed up to think about other things.
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It s really interesting.
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It seems like it takes the food noise down.
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But another thing it seems like that I m hearing from a lot of people behind the scenes is it also really works on insulin resistance, which it seems like a lot of us have because of the food in our world.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think that s a little bit controversial.
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I don t, I don t know if it decreases insulin resistance per se.
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I think it decreases your food intake.
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So then you re going to make better food choices.
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You re not going to eat as many carbs.
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And if you re not eating as many carbs, you re not going to have the same insulin response.
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So I think it s more proactive that way versus behind the scenes.
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I don t, I think there s a catch term about insulin resistance.
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It exists for sure.
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And it can lead to type two diabetes.
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But I don t know if that s being addressed.
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I mean, certainly someone who s diabetic or pre-diabetic is obese.
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I m sure ozempic teresopatide is going to help with that.
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But I think if we look at how is it helping, you re just eating less food.
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Now, post-pandemic, don t want to get too controversial.
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Do you feel that the medical community, like pre-pandemic, post-pandemic has changed compared, I mean, you ve been doing this a long time and you ve both been around this a long time.
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Like, do you feel there s a difference or do you feel it s kind of like business as usual or that there s been a change?
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With, with like doctors in general?
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Just doctors in general and like the general consensus in the medical community.
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Cause I feel like there was,
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a lot of divisiveness in that community.
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And, you know, it kind of now, like, I feel like people kind of just like, we went through all that and now it s like, oh, okay, it s over.
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And we re all just like business as usual.
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But I imagine there s a ripple effect that I m wondering if you ve felt or not.
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I think that, you know, after the pandemic, certainly a gift of that or silver lining is people were paying more attention to their health.
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and they re more aware of their immune system, not wanting to get sick.
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And what can they do to help prevent that?
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So probably a little bit, there s been an increase in, hey, maybe I need to take vitamins or maybe I m open to supplements.
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I think from the medical establishment side, though, I don t think there s much change.
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I think it s
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you know, and there s some, some bad things that would happen, you know, those vaccines, we don t need to get into them, but you know, they were fast tracked by the FDA.
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We should get into them.
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Yeah.
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I m happy to.
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They re fast tracked by the FDA.
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And it looks like the trend now is we ve opened the door for pharmaceutical companies to fast track medicines that have never been tested, really not approved for the greater good of the collective society.
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Now that was a big fail.
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In my opinion, if we look at the data coming from the vaccines,
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And again, I want, I just don t believe in the mandates.
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I think people need to be sovereign over their choices, not being told that they have to take this or that.
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That s a big deal.
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If we re opening the door to the FDA approving these pharmaceuticals, and by the way, the pharmaceutical companies dominate the United States landscape in terms of politics.
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They re the largest lobby in the United States.
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They re very powerful.
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We are a society that s hooked on these medicines.
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And so now we ve opened the door for not just medicines, but more vaccines.
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And you re going to see way more vaccines for medical conditions now because of the COVID vaccine.
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And this has been in play for a long time.
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It s just playing out.
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And now the mindset of that is now doctors are feeling more empowered.
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Okay, well now you need more medicines and more vaccines because there s more out there.
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And now we have all these double blind studies that are supporting this and it s, it s getting crazy.
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Yeah, I had like a random, you know, I was talking to you about my resting heart rate before we started.
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Oh my God.
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Please don t bring this conversation to dinner.
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I can t hear about this anymore.
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I have to look at the numbers every morning.
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And I was wondering, cause like, you know, I, I was just running about mine, but then the other day I was like, I was going in, um, I m doing this insurance policy and I had to get, um, blood and everything.
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And I was wondering like,
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You know, my blood pressure at the time, it was like 130, then it started going down, down, down.
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But then I was talking to another friend of ours and he s like, listen, you can t like pay attention to a lot of those markers right when you go in and you re giving blood and all that.
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But then I really went down the rabbit hole and they re saying, hey, do you know like the U.S.
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standard for blood pressure is different than the European standard?
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Is that true or not?
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I don t know if that s true.
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That s a good question.
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They were saying like we used to, our standard used to be 130 over 70, now it s one, is it 115 or 120 or whatever it is, but.
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It s all made up anyways.
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Exactly, well said.
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What I was wondering is like, I feel pretty good and I do the things, you know, we work together and you ve seen my blood work, but it got me like alarmed at the time.
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Then I was like, wait a minute, what am I alarmed?
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Like I m in this thing and this.
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It s such a good point.
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The fear, you know, we tell our clients the diagnosis is the disease.
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Literally, and it s good for people to pause and think about that.
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But when you re given a diagnosis, that becomes the disease because then people can t help but identify.
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I had a patient ask me about, this is just this week, and she called about doing the full body MRI scan, right?
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As a, you know, just precursor, let me just look at everything in my body.
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And I said, I m not a huge fan because that s going to be driven by fear.
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And she s like, Oh, I m not worried about fear.
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And I said, what you would be if they said you had a mass on your pancreas or something there, then you couldn t get beyond that.
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And I ve had patients do this full body MRI scan.
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One, they found a very small aneurysm in her brain, which we don t know, but statistically probably wouldn t amounted to anything in her life.
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She got so anxious, was put on a benzodiazepine because she s so anxious.
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Then she had surgery, which had some complication for something that probably never would have happened.
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But once she saw it, you can t unsee it.
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And so the fear, to your point, the fear is so powerful.
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Yeah, and I guess the reason I mention it too is I think, you know, in this country we re so focused on medicine and I was wondering if like some of those markers like, oh, it s an easier way like to get you on blood pressure medication earlier before maybe even need it.
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And the reason I maybe sound kooky saying this, but I think to your point, you get this diagnosis from somebody and all of a sudden you re like, wait, I need all the medicine, all the things before you even think about doing some of the other things or even if there s maybe not even an issue.
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But here s the mind fuck of it all.
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He goes and he gets this blood pressure shit done, and he comes home, and he s freaking out that he has high blood pressure, which makes his blood pressure even higher!
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Exactly.
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I m like, oh my god!
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But then I realize, I m like, I probably don t, and all my other markers are fine.
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But like what I m saying is in that moment, it like kind of fucked me up for a second.
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Almost called you.
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Didn t call you.
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Cause then I was like, okay, you re spiraling a bit.
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It s like, I have to hear enough.
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My point in mentioning this to people that are listening is I think sometimes you go, you don t have this personal relationship like we do.
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You re in this heightened environment.
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You get this person that s looking down and I m not diminishing it, but they give you this reading.
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All of a sudden you think you have this thing and it s almost like,
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you, the, the diagnosis becomes the symptom and it s like this, it becomes the thing.
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And then you have to take medicine to take care of the thing that was made up by people, you know, from a long time ago, creating reference ranges about people who aren t even you.
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And isn t the MRI tons of radiation too?
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MRI is no radiation.
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So that s fine.
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That s a cat scan.
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So it s a magnetic.
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So MRI is safe.
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It s safe.
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Totally safe.
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But I know the business model, it s fear.
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We re going to drive fear to then likely come behind it and give you a product to take or several products based on the fear.
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And then you ve hooked people.
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So how are people supposed to then navigate that?
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Like, how are they supposed to know?
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Because here, and again, I get a lot of pushback for this.
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I say sometimes a degree doesn t necessarily mean that that s the person that you should meet.
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Like, you know, like I can go and get all sorts of degrees, but that doesn t mean that I should be the best person.
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But you know what I mean?
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Like, I think with what we do, I feel you care and there s a real personal touch, but sometimes
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Like, I think we lose a lot of that, a little bit of this in this field.
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And then, you know, people are on these things and they don t know who to listen to or not listen to.
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Right.
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Because you have somebody with a degree saying you have a certain thing.
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So the person they should be listening to is themselves.
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Right.
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And so that s why, right.
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That s why it s really important to help empower people.
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and not disempower people.
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And the whole conventional medical establishment is about disempowering people.
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It s about taking away their power and saying, it doesn t matter.
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It doesn t matter what you eat or drink water-wise.
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It doesn t matter.
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We re not going to tell you to go out in the sun and get early morning sunrise and get light on your skin and your eyes.
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It doesn t matter about sleep.
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What matters is, is that you follow my plan
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which is taking not just one, but multiple medicines.
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And if those medicines don t work, we ll edit them.
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And if you get side effects, we ll give you more medicines because that s the only way to do it.
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And that fear is so powerful for people.
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And no wonder people are more disease, more early deaths over and over and over, you know, and it s just getting higher and higher exponentially.
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And it s because people feel disempowered.
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You know, and so the person they need to listen to is themselves.
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And the only way to know, and I m a huge fan of, you know, educating oneself and listening to people talk about studies and, you know, relaying that information in an articulate way.
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But the only way you re going to know is you got to get off the sideline and you got to get in the game and you got to try things.
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Right.
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And if you don t try things, then how will you ever know?
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And I don t like this whole arena where you have to ask permission so much that we can try something.
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No one is sovereign over you except yourself.
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You know, but we ve been told that you have to ask permission to do things.
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I would like to know when you re working with a patient for weight loss and they start losing weight, what you feel about the skin?
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Because I think that s not talked about enough.
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Yeah, I mean, there s definitely facial, you know, fat wasting.
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For sure.
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So, we go in with bio-stimulators, we add filler, things like that.
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But, you know, you can t lose weight without some of it coming from the face.
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I just don t think that s realistic.
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So, we see a lot of that.
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We see a lot of hair loss.
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But overall, I think people really like it.
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We do a lot more body contouring now because people have lost the weight and now they want to tone up.
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So, we do, you know, muscle strengthening, toning, firming type treatments.
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What s like a healthy percentage if you re going to start losing weight in the, like, do you say you have a patient that s coming to you for their face and they re losing weight.
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Do you say like slow down or speed?
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Like, how do you like stop that kind of point?
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We try not to do it too quick.
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Two pounds a week or less is reasonable for most people.
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Yeah.
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If you re losing faster than that, it s going to catch up with you.
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And then the people come off your change, whatever they re doing for weight loss.
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And those people tend to rebound.
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Do you see any collagen loss?
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I mean, that s hard to gauge, sure.
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But I mean, if you think of youth and females, it s facial fat.
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So that really can go sideways pretty quick.
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When you look at a youthful female, it s always the fat.
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But interestingly, you brought up collagen, right?
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Like collagen is the name of the game and collagen supplements.
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So this is, I m kind of down a rabbit hole with this and just learned this recently.
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So collagen is the most abundant protein in the body, like 30% or more is collagen.
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And collagen obviously for the skin, for structural issues, all over the body.
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And collagen needs a type of molecule called sulfate.
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And sulfate is just eaten up and taken away by Roundup, the herbicide.
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Oh, great.
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And this is again, and the data is very clear on this.
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But no one s talking about this, right?
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Roundup, doesn t Roundup cause cancer?
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Oh, it causes a lot of problems.
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Maybe autism.
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So are they taking the sulfate that s been affected by the Roundup and putting it in the collagen?
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They don t know to.
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I mean, people don t talk about it, right?
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And so to make healthy collagen, you need some couple of key things.
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You need sunlight.
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Right.
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To help you need sulfates, which you can get from like cruciferous vegetables and different, you know, polyphenols in the diet, which are like the pigments from fruits and vegetables.
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And it s not necessarily challenging.
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You need a certain supplements.
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Like, interestingly, we re talking about COVID and acetyl cysteine is a molecule, an amino acid form that helps you make more sulfates.
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Just NAC.
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Yeah, NAC.
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Guess what was banned?
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Didn t they try to ban it?
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Oh, they did try to ban it, didn t they?
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Guess what was banned during COVID?
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You couldn t get NAC.
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You know what else you couldn t get?
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Did they let that up now?
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It s back.
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It s back.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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You couldn t find silver anywhere on the internet.
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All of a sudden, it s sold out.
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I m on this big rant where like the gym bros, like the, they like, because I guess I m a gym bro, like they,
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No, like they ve been onto NAC long time.
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Creatines, collagens, proteins, like a lot of, and it s funny because I think like obviously some of that community goes way too far, maybe turns average people off because they just become these big mongoloids.
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But I ve learned, even from a young age, a lot of these kind of supplements from that community because they re so focused on their health.
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And I love testosterone.
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you know, two decades ago from a naturopathic doctor, but he was a gym rat and they tested, this is in the seventies and that s how we figured it out.
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You know, it s great.
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But back to the glyphosate is we now can do testing and see if people are being affected.
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You know, what s becoming very prevalent is mold toxicity, right?
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And you re hearing about mold toxicity.
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It s, it s all tied together, right?
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Mold toxicity and yeast and cancer and all these kind of poisonings.
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They re from things coming from the environment.
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It s very real.
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Right before you guys came in, like literally right before we had the two founders of force of nature.
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Have you, are you familiar with that?
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It s a regenerative farm out there and they raise beef and all sorts.
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And we were talking about what s done to a lot of the plant-based crops and what people don t realize.
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And some of the stuff that s sprayed on our vegetable sources, you know, and so a lot of times people think that they re getting a healthy product and it s filled with a lot of the stuff you re talking about.
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And then you wonder why we re getting.
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more and more sick.
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Yeah.
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I mean, well, and it s the pharmaceuticals and it s all of the non-native EMFs that are in the environment.
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Wi-Fi and 5G and, you know, they re changing our physiology.
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They re literally changing it.
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So at the house with you, both of you, what is a typical diet look like?
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You don t have to get so specific, but what are the things that you, that you actively work to incorporate in that you think would benefit people?
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Lately, protein.
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Protein, coffee.
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We love coffee.
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Yeah, butter, heavy whipping cream in the coffee, grass-fed beef.
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We d love that.
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Animal protein, eggs.
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When you say cruciferous vegetables, what kind?
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Cruciferous vegetables are things like broccoli, kale, cauliflower.
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Mustard seed is a cruciferous vegetable.
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There s a bunch of them.
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You don t want to eat too many, but you want to introduce some of them.
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Lots of fruits.
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I m a big fruit fan.
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Lots of kale too, lots of fruits.
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You have mentioned EMF a lot in this episode.
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Do you guys do anything at your house or personally to combat EMF?
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We do.
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What do you do?
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Kelly may not even notice because I just kind of snuck in.
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No, there s a light, but yeah.
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So in our bedroom at night, we have a light that does not emit any blue light.
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That s the only light we will have on because blue light is, you know, again, from screens, from monitors, it s a problem, right?
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And so what happens is at nighttime, and it s fine during the day because sunlight, if you look at the rays of sun and the wavelengths, you re getting ultraviolet light, then blue light, then the majority is red light or infrared light.
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And as the sun goes down though, there s no more light, right?
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And you can make an argument that chronic disease comes from artificial light.
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Like literally, it parallels over.
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I mean, if you look at the data, early 1900s, the rates of cancer were so small, right?
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And now everyone s gone inside.
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And then we change how much light we re getting, because no one s getting up with the sun.
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And then we re using all of this artificial light.
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And that blue light is toxic to us.
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It changes our hormones.
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It changes our nervous system.
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It causes a lot of problems.
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So we have a non-blue light in the house, in our bedroom.
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We have these things called, which,
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I don t think I remember the name clearly, but it s EMF rocks that come in a bag that I put under our bed, which helped to kind of ward off the, you know, the non-native EMFs.
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We have Shungite crystal on both of our bed stands.
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We change our phones at night.
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So there s, you know, the triple click.
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Yeah.
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And it s just doing things like that.
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And some people are really hardcore about it and that s great.
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I think we have to be more moderate because it s a lot for people to take in.
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Right.
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I really want to kill switch.
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Have you heard of this?
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Which is like everything in the house goes?
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You press this kill switch, we had this guy, his name is Brian from Test My Home.
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It s essentially just a switch that you can put in your bedroom so that when you go to bed at night you can click it and it ll just turn the Wi-Fi off.
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I think it s so smart.
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Yeah, it just turns the Wi-Fi off.
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For kids, for my little tiny kids, I want a kill switch.
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Because the thing is, it s a very simple tool and if you re going to bed, you don t
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need Wi-Fi, there s no reason.
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There s no reason.
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Yeah.
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I m getting the name of that kill switch, I ll send you guys the link.
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Awesome.
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I think it s super sensible.
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I don t think people appreciate how much we re being inundated with invisible rays.
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Well, I ll challenge everyone to do something, because I did it the other night because I wanted to do a test.
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Go to bed, get in bed at 9 30 and bring your iPad or your phone and watch it for one hour in your bed.
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And then the next night,
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Don t do that.
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Get a book and get a red light book light and read, read the book at not from, from nine to 10, a real book.
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See how much better your sleep is.
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It will blow your goddamn mind.
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I did this test because he started watching TV in the bed.
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He had to get caught up on his shows on the iPad and I was watching him and I was kind of like, I m going to do a test and watch Palm Royale in bed and just see.
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And I did this test and your nervous system is shot.
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No, no, no.
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90% of the nights, I mean, I had to get caught up on Shogun, so I just knew I was sacrificing.
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But anyways, but normally we have the same thing.
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We have just only red light in the bedroom at night.
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We have salt rock nightlights that I won t let him do anything else.
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But then what we found is on Amazon, they have these little book, you know, like the book lights that you can get, but they mount now make them with just red light.
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And so you can get a hard book and just read with that.
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And so instead of staring into a screen or a can or whatever, you just do that and you go to sleep.
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I think it s really sensible.
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And I think, I think this is going to be such a problem.
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You know, I think we re just starting to talk about it, but this is, this is a major problem for people s health and, and no one, you know, we re addicted to our phones.
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We re addicted to all these things on our phones.
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It s going to be a big challenge for people to wake up to that.
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Name a doctor on the planet that talks about EMF.
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I can t.
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Dr. Jack Kruse is super smart.
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He s a lightning rod, but he goes all in on this.
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Okay.
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And he s super hardcore.
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He s a neurosurgeon in Louisiana and he s doing some amazing things.
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I ll just mention, cause I,
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I ve been following him.
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He is actually setting up in El Salvador, the first in the world, free medical care system, meaning there is no intervention from anyone, not the government, not insurance, no one.
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It will be totally protected, totally sovereign, totally free.
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He s inviting people there because he s very committed to telling the truth and understanding what artificial light has done to us.
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And a lot of these studies with various medicines, they didn t control for light.
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None of them.
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Think about it.
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So it s like, the data is so skewed.
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And mice are nocturnal.
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Just think about this.
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Mice are nocturnal.
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They are not a part of the same circadian rhythm as us.
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Right?
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So how are we basing all of the pharmaceutical studies on mice and that were done in artificial light, which is artificial.
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You see what I m saying?
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And that s what the doctors are prescribing.
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It makes total sense.
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Yeah, that s a good point.
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Like sheep.
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What do you think is… So the mice, they re testing on something that is supposed to be awake at night anyways.
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Correct.
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They didn t control for light, so it calls so much into question.
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And he comes to me complaining about his eyes.
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The reason his eyes hurt is because he s sitting watching Shogun on the fucking iPad.
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No, I healed my eyes because I stopped wearing sunglasses.
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But now you re going to ruin- No, and I believe in that.
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We were just talking about that.
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I think people need to, I think you train it.
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I don t think you go in there and you just blast yourself with sunlight.
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I think a little bit, you know, you wake up with the sun, you get a little bit more each day.
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And to your point, I want you to see if, tell me if I m, both of you tell me if I m crazy.
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So.
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Yes.
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My eyes were bothering me.
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I think I talked to you about this even maybe a few years ago.
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They re fine now.
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I actually like don t need any eye intervention.
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And I did this whole, I thought I was done for.
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I was like, okay, my eyes gone, but it s fine.
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So anyways, what I started doing is I realized that whenever I would go out in the sunlight, I would, my eyes would like, it was too bright and my eyes would burn.
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And I was like, I can t see anything.
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So what I did was like,
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I was like, I m going to stop wearing sunglasses for a year.
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I don t wear sunglasses basically ever anymore.
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Like once in a while if I want to pull off a look, but like it s really nothing.
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And I started taking these long walks, staring far into the distance, no phone, nothing.
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And my eyes feel super strong.
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But in addition to that now,
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When I go outside, I don t have any light sensitivity.
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It s amazing, good for you.
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When you go in and read a book, I can read a book without, and what I ve noticed also is that I don t really get burned on my skin anymore.
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That s a great point.
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And the reason I was telling Kelly about this is I think a lot of people, what I heard is if you wear sunglasses all the time, it signals to your brain you re in a dark place and you don t need to have anything.
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Well, UV light, so this is going back to Dr. Cruz.
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Dr. Cruz has a theory about metastatic cancer is that it s those cells are looking for light.
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And that s why they leave to get light.
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That UV light is healthy for us.
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And we re not talking about UVC, which doesn t get here.
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I m not talking about like inundating yourself, but you need some UVA and UVB to start a whole cascade of hormones and neurotransmitters, melanin in our skin,
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is how we make energy.
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It s taking sun energy and turning into chemical energy.
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So we are human photosynthesizers.
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We re doing the reverse of plants, and this is very real.
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It s gonna be hard for people to be like, no, you re not, that s bullshit.
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You know, it s our mitochondria.
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Our mitochondria are there as a redox system, kind of the battery, but it s literally the melanin in our bodies, which is how we make energy.
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I went down this rabbit hole and the sunglasses thing is what I landed on.
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But then I ran some obscure article that said if you re wearing sunglasses all the time, your skin is more likely to burn because it s signaling to your brain you don t need to produce.
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So the way it happens is to keep it really simple.
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You get sunlight through your eye, right?
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That travels to a part of your brain, which turns on melanin.
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So then your melanin is there to protect you from more harsh sun.
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It s a loop.
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And if you don t get the light into your eyes, it won t happen.
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So then you re more susceptible to then having harmful effect of UV light, but you can train your body.
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But some people are more susceptible anyways, fair skin, blue eyes.
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I ve got ocular rosacea.
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There s a lot again, but I think there s ways to moderate it for sure.
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What are people doing to their skin that you think is not the move?
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And I ll give you one that I think, I think the Trenton Owen craze is wild.
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I don t agree with it.
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In a good or bad way?
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I don t like it.
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Interesting.
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I don t like it at all.
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I wholeheartedly disagree.
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Yes, please disagree.
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Disagree.
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Go.
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I just think it s, it s.
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Well, it s a vitamin A derivative, obviously, great for cellular turnover.
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You exercise your body, so you exercise your skin, and that s what it s doing.
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Very well studied for decades.
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I think it s the most important skincare ingredient outside of sunscreen.
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Oh my god, I love that you re disagreeing with me on this.
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Why do you think, I don t even know about this.
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Why don t you like it?
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I think that girls that are using it that are too young, there s something in the skin that looks waxy.
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And it makes them actually look older because it s giving them an older woman s skin look at a younger age.
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Does that make sense?
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I know exactly what you re referring to.
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I just I don t agree with it.
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I want to look more into it, especially because I feel like you re such a skin guru.
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But I don t know if it s just an intuition.
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It s not like based on science, my opinion.
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Well, a lot of people get very irritated.
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So dry, red, flaky, you know, their skin is irritated, so they don t like using it for that reason.
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But it actually thickens the dermis, which is the goal anyways.
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People say, does it thin the skin?
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No, it doesn t thin the skin.
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But the data is definitely there.
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I mean, for cellular turnover, it stimulates all your key skin cells.
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So melanocytes, fiber, I mean, everything.
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How often do you use it on your skin?
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The goal is that you can use it every night.
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Some people take time to work up to that, but, you know, you want to go low and slow so you don t get so irritated.
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But then, to me, I would rather a patient be on a lower dose that they can tolerate nightly or every other night as opposed to a couple of times a week.
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Because what happens is they forget to use it.
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Every time they forget, you have the initial irritation all over again called retinization.
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But yeah, it works on all your key skin cells.
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There s nothing else on the market that can do that.
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Do you like the brand, Tretinoin, or do you like a certain product that has it in it?
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Well, Tretinoin s just a generic, you know, that s generic Retin-A.
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We always start patients lower, so I m not a huge fan of retinols unless a patient is just super duper sensitive.
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We generally start them at like a retinaldehyde, which only converts once in the skin before it s the strength of a retinoic acid.
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The retinoic acid is what you re referring to, that s Retin-A, otherwise known as, you know, tretinoin, that s the generic.
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Is there a brand, though, that contain these products that you go towards or no?
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We use in our office Obagi, but there s so many out there.
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I mean, it s really just the ingredient, you know.
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What are other things that you love that are maybe controversial?
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Exosomes.
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I don t know that they re controversial.
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Actually, I guess they are.
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The ones we use in our office are from Wharton s Jelly, which is actually from the umbilical cord.
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Exosomes are crazy regenerative.
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They are taking the aesthetic world by storm.
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We are able to do these much more aggressive treatments, laser specifically, where we have a controlled wound that renders a very strong inflammatory response, and we are able to just completely move that to a healing cascade like that.
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They are amazing.
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We use them topically.
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We actually used them years ago, about 10 years ago, 12 years ago, and they just got so expensive in the space that, well... We use them intravenously.
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Right.
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The aesthetic companies have finally caught on.
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Yeah, they re just unbelievable regenerative properties for wound healing, accelerating results, etc.
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So I have a Korean facialist in Austin that I go to and she has been doing exosome treatments on me twice with salmon semen.
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Okay.
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Do you like the salmon semen?
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I m not as familiar with that.
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There s various types of exosomes, obviously.
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Next time you come here, we should go to her together and get salmon semen on our face.
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I ve heard you talk about it so much.
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It s I really like it.
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I can t believe.
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Is it actual salmon semen or is this or is she just like saying it s because I never think it is sometimes.
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Do you think I just like lie about getting salmon semen?
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Hey, I just I don t think you lie.
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I just I ve known you for a long time and I think sometimes it s true.
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When you say exosomes, like, I mean, is it, is the, when the person s doing it, are they like, hey, you want some salmon?
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Salmon was ejaculated and it goes on my face.
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No, there s no way.
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That s not how this happens.
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That s not how it happens.
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And they use it a lot in vaginal rejuvenation now.
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Did you hear that?
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They use it in vaginal rejuvenation.
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I could get pregnant by a salmon.
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Exactly.
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What are they, roll the vagina with the microneedler?
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I m not, I m not as familiar.
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I don t know what, no, no, no.
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They would inject it typically.
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You remember like the old P-Shots, the O-Shots, I can t believe I m saying that name.
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Why does it have to be salmon?
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I don t ask to be crass, I m actually wondering what is the benefit of a salmon in particular?
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Could it be any animal or fish?
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There s something in the salmon semen, Carson can you Google it, that is really good for the skin, right?
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I can t tell if Carson Googling that s an HR violation or not.
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Wait, what is it?
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Salmon in general is great for the skin.
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Yeah, makes sense.
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You can eat salmon for a week if you want to test it and look at your skin.
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I tell her she should eat more salmon in general.
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I thought you were going to say I should put your semen on my face.
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No, but that would be cheaper maybe.
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I would do it if it made my skin glow.
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I really would.
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I d bottle it.
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I mean, I d do it if it works.
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Kelly, tell her it makes her skin glow.
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It does, Lauren.
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So exosomes, I think, are super popular.
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The other thing is just regenerative aesthetics.
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You know, we re getting away from the filler, away from the toxin.
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away from the filler, away from the more fake looks of yesteryear, if you will, and people were adopting a more natural approach.
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We ve seen our platelet-rich fibrin, our easy gel treatments go through the roof this year, and that s not been the case in years past.
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People, I think, and you know better, but people are sick of the wide pillow-faced look.
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It makes you look older.
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And the same.
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Everyone looks the same.
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Right.
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I would like you guys to talk a little bit about peptide therapy.
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Which ones are you seeing really work?
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What are you seeing not work?
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What do you think about all the controversy that s come out?
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Give us the peptide spiel.
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Yeah, I mean, we ve been doing peptides for, I don t know, seven years, but peptides are just changing.
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of amino acids put together a novel combination.
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So all naturally occurring molecules put together to have some sort of goal in the body.
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They re small molecules.
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Historically, they re injected subcutaneously, but you could use them topically, orally, different vehicles for it.
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There s a whole host of peptides that are in existence.
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Unfortunately, they re coming into question.
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There s a gray area now, and it s unclear if
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I mean, probably they re not the tried and true peptides.
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People may be familiar with things like BPC-157, which is an anti-inflammatory peptide, or ipamireline, which is a growth hormone-releasing peptide, or even GHK copper, which is a skin repair peptide.
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It looks like they re all going to be taken away.
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Why do you think that is?
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I think it happens because of the results and the success of Ozempic and Terzepatide, which were just became the number one selling drug in America.
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And those are peptides.
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Those are technically peptides.
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And you have the pharmaceutical companies, like we ve talked about, who say, Oh my gosh, those are two peptides and we re crushing it.
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Well, let s get the 20 others that are working well and come up, make them into drugs.
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It s just money.
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Now I m probably more cynical than most, but I think that s what s happening.
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So you think the pharmaceutical industry is going to take over the peptide industry and repackage it and sell themselves?
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I think they re already on it.
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Of course.
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So it s like they saw something working and they re like that.
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Like anything.
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The technology, I don t know if you call it technology, like it s clearly not going to go away and disappear.
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So the question is how, what s it going to be repackaged as?
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I think it s going to go black market like anabolic steroids and you have to get it from Eastern Europe.
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Oh, great.
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Wait, so we re not even going to be able to get it through a doctor?
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Right.
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Most peptides will be research only, and I think eventually at some point those will be hit up too.
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And I think, again, maybe I m more cynical, but I think this is what s going to happen.
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I have concerns about testosterone.
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Same thing happening.
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I think in the last five years, the people using testosterone has gone through the roof.
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I think you will see the pharmaceutical company get control back.
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I think the same thing with, we do a lot of NAD therapy.
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I think that could happen.
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I think this is, we re in a season of it.
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It s really scary.
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I mean, we have insurance and I went, I take thyroid replacement, have for 15 years.
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When did I fill my prescription?
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It s like $400.
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You do it once a month.
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Like the pharmaceutical companies are just, I don t think people understand the control that they have.
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Massive.
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It s unbelievable.
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Well, if they don t understand the control they have, they haven t been awake the last four years.
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We re going to be canceled.
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No, you are.
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Oh, don t worry.
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No, you are.
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We re going to be canceled.
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There s so many people that want- We ve been canceled so many times that we are just, we re just not- And there s so many people that want- It s equaled out over the years.
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A refreshing conversation that s real and raw.
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Yeah, it s all good.
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Wait, so I just have a question about peptides for a second.
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When you say the pharmaceutical industry is going to take them over because of money, why wouldn t they then repackage them and sell them to the public?
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You re saying you re only going to be able to get them in Eastern Europe.
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What do you mean?
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So they ll become drugs because they re not drugs currently.
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There s been a gray area to be turned into drugs.
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They ll be turned into drugs that require a, a, a doctor to prescribe in a certain way that will be run and owned by the pharmaceutical company so that it goes through pharmacies.
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So they make so much money and you know,
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How frustrating.
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It s frustrating, but at the same time, it s good.
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I mean, it s, it s, it s good to be able to kind of see the landscape and be able to talk about it.
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So this is a great forum to do it because I m committed to getting it out there.
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We re committed to telling the truth and being authentic.
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I couldn t imagine going to medical school today, knowing what s happening in the world and looking ahead.
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I mean, you would have to be just, I don t, I can t imagine.
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You know what s scary about that though is I think, you know, I imagine most people like, yes, people want to make a living, but I imagine most medical practitioners like yourself, they go into it ultimately to help people.
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Agreed.
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And when I, when I hear things like that, it s discouraging because I, I hope it doesn t deter people that have, you know, a mission driven mind to go help people out of that
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profession, because now they re maybe feeling like, oh, I got to operate a certain kind of way, or tow a certain line, or not say certain things.
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I think that s the scariest thing that comes through.
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It s the same thing, and this is going to be very controversial, where you start to, I won t go super into law enforcement, but so many of those law enforcement individuals have been beaten up so bad by the public and the narrative around them.
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Now imagine the type of candidates you re going to get.
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Same with politics, right?
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If you re of sound mind now, what kind of sane person wants to enter the world of politics, right?
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But I think the larger question there is, which I think will be good, I think it s just take the pendulum has to swing, is asking these questions because what we re fundamentally asking is who is in control of giving permission to do these things, right?
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And if it stays with the medical boards and it stays with the government,
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I don t think in general, and again, there s a need and a role for that, that they re always looking out for our best interests.
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And so it s a great question for a society as a whole to ask, like, what are we doing?
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Like getting to the truth in medicine, what are we doing that we re spending so much money and we have the worst outcomes that we re not making any progress that our standard of care absolutely sucks.
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That s defined by being on multiple medicines, which make people sicker.
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feel worse and require more medicine than they drink alcohol, do all these substances and their quality of life sucks.
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Like that is a fact.
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And if we re not willing to ask those questions and sure, we re going to get stuck.
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Yeah.
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You know, what s funny is like, who am I?
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I m just a simple businessman.
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What do I know?
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But I, I think about it like this.
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If I was running a company and the, and a lot of these entities are companies or divisions of a big company,
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And I was constantly losing money and constantly getting terrible results and all my customers were constantly sick and unhealthy and all the employees, you know, you would shut my business, my business would be gone in a year.
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But the problem is, is we have a structure in this country where those same kind of guardrails don t exist and you re allowed to waste and be frivolous and get terrible results constantly over and over without any accountability.
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And everyone just kind of nods their heads and keeps going.
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Where if that was run as an actual private company, not saying it should be, but if it was, it would just be done in the first year.
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Competition would come in, that would be better.
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And they would get a better solution and fix it with better people and better results.
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And you d wipe out that inefficient vehicle.
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But because
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it s in this form of entity.
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And because there s not those consequences, you re able to just operate with the worst results possible and waste and be frivolous and nobody holds anything account.
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And I think like, those are the questions that most individuals should ask is like, why is this giant machine that we re all paying into so fucking inefficient?
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So inefficient.
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But I think the, the brighter side of this is, and what we try to get across with people is
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This is really positive.
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Like once you can see this, you, there s always going to be options.
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You don t have to be stuck in this system.
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That s probably not serving you, right?
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There s going to be ways that you can make choices in your life to do better for yourself.
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And once that light bulb turns on, then it gets amazingly good.
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And that s why it s really meaningful and purposeful work.
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Be your own advocate.
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Dr. Craig and Kelly, where can everyone book with you and book with you?
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You do not have to be in Charleston.
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I text you all the time.
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Kelly, I m always going to for skin advice.
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Where can people find you both and reach out?
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We both have a website, Conover Aesthetics, and we have Instagram.
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So either one of those is great.
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Yeah, mine s Conover Wellness, K-O-N-O-V-E-R, wellness.com.
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And this is their third time on the show.
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And if you guys haven t heard those first two episodes, I highly recommend you go and do so.
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We covered a lot of different topics in them.
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If you guys have any questions on skin, peptides, health, diet, weight loss, all the things, go harass them on Instagram.
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Thank you guys both so much for coming on.
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We can always go a hundred different directions.
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The next time you come on, hopefully we re in Charleston.
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We all have big clit on the bingo card today.
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Sam and Semen big clit.
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That was good.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you guys.