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Hello?
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Hey, what s up?
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Is this Lionel?
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Yeah, who s this?
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Oh, this is Matt.
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What s up, Matt?
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How s life?
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Well, life s been pretty terrible, in all honesty.
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Let s fucking get into it, baby.
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Um, well, I guess since, like, COVID hit, I ve been kind of stuck in this house taking care of my, uh, 94-year-old aunt.
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Well, yeah.
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And her, uh,
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Her health just kind of been getting worse and worse over time, you know.
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Doesn t forget who I am or anything, but you know, she s kind of in la-la land, you know what I m saying?
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You know, I just gotta like, I take care of everything.
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I make her food and I have to clean up after her and that sort of thing.
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And it s just been very stressful.
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How often does she get diarrhea that you have to clean?
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Well, she doesn t get diarrhea.
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It s more like she goes to the bathroom, and there s a... How can I say?
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There s a little presence left behind.
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Sometimes she doesn t make it to the toilet fully.
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So, like, you re picking up logs that... Like, you re picking up, uh... Buy logs.
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Buy logs.
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Is that, like, side logs?
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Yeah, that occur on the on the way from the chair that she sits in all day to the bathroom.
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Okay, what else?
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Um, you know, and it s just it s just kind of sad watching her decline.
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I mean, it s just, I mean, our family has talked about putting her in a home, but she s the type of person she s always been.
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She s always been like a homebody alone.
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She d always
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Whenever we go out or like go have dinner with her or something, she always want to get home right away.
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Not very sociable person, never was married, you know, that sort of thing.
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So I feel like if we put her in a convalescent home or something, she would be gone within the month.
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And it just kind of sucks.
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What can I do, you know?
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How old are you?
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Oh, I m going to be turning 26 on December 3rd.
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Cool, man.
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What s your life like?
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In all honesty, I don t really do much other than, you know, I keep an ear out for her and then I just sort of sit around.
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I do play music.
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That is something I do as like a hobby, but... So, I mean, did you just... Was that you farting or was that your aunt?
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No, no.
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No, that was...
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I m sorry, I didn t expect to get a call so soon.
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A little anxious.
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Did you fart when you get anxious?
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No, it was my lip, dude.
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Oh, you said there was a lip?
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Yeah.
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Okay, that s a cute tick you do little raspberries when you get nervous, that s fun You re out here picking up side logs, all right, you deserve to get high and fart all over the place now All right, so you ve been doing this for three years you said since like the pandemic I
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Yeah, pretty much.
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I mean, her health wasn t as bad at the very beginning, but she had like a bad fall and broke her wrist and it s just been downhill from there.
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And this has been making you severely depressed for the past three years.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Now, um, I have a bunch of questions about this.
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Are you the, who, where s everyone else?
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Where s, where s your mom?
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Where s her?
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Why are you, why is it you who s doing this?
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Where s everyone else?
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My dad s aunt.
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I mean, he, he lives very close by and you know, he, he comes by every once in a while, but there s really, my family is very small.
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I have two uncles.
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They don t live in the same state.
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One of them lives in a different country.
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You know, all her direct family s basically gone.
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So, it s really just me.
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I have a brother, but he s in school right now.
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So... So, I guess... How old s your brother?
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He s 18.
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He s 18?
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And then, what s your... Tell me again what your... Your dad lives close, but why is he not helping you with this?
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I mean, he does help out.
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I mean, he s just not- he s not here every day.
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Okay, I guess I just... It feels a little... And I don t know, man, I don t want to speak out of turn here, because I know it s a- these kinds of issues are complicated, but it feels unfair to me that you re the only one that s sacrificing your life to, you know, help out.
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Yeah, I think I hear that from other people too.
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Um, well, tell me about this.
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Let s say that, um... You didn t feel this deep responsibility to do this.
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What would you be doing with your life instead?
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That s the problem.
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I don t... I don t know what the fuck I m doing.
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I mean, you must have an inkling of an idea of some... any sort of... It could even be vague.
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You can be like, I wanna... Well, I did go to school, but... Like, um...
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do audio engineering stuff, but I ve always kind of struggled with anxiety, and I sort of had a nervous breakdown at one point, and that was the end of that.
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That was... What caused that nervous... Wait, how old?
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You said you were 16?
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No, no, no.
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In 2016, that happened.
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Oh, okay.
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What caused your nervous breakdown?
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I don t know.
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I just...
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I don t really want to get too dark, but I was just kind of like, I had been seeing somebody on, on campus, right?
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Like a, like a therapist.
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Yeah.
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And they prescribed me on antidepressants because I wasn t really doing too great mentally.
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I don t know.
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I guess I just wasn t adjusting to the normal every day of my life at that point.
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I don t know what was going on.
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I was smoking a lot of weed.
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That probably didn t help.
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Um,
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Are you still smoking a lot of weed?
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Yeah.
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I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was very young.
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When I got to college, I didn t want to take my meds anymore because they made me feel like a zombie.
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Like I couldn t talk to people.
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It was very hard.
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I don t like to drink and I guess I got attached to smoking bud.
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Kind of not the greatest thing.
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but I guess I self-medicated with it in a way.
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It s funny, I m also turning 26 in December.
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A big fucking pothead was diagnosed with ADHD as a little kid, but didn t want to take my medication because it made me feel like a fucking zombie.
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So you really have no idea?
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I mean, you have, like, you have no idea at all of anything?
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Did you graduate?
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No, I dropped out after one semester, like a semester and a half.
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And then since then I took therapy and I had a couple jobs and I met my girlfriend and then the pandemic hit and it just kind of, I ve been stuck here.
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You have a girlfriend?
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Well, not anymore.
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Um,
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You don t have to talk about it if you don t want to, but how long ago was that not a thing?
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It s sort of been an ongoing issue.
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She moved out in like August.
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We were just kind of... I mean, me dealing with my own issues and her having her own problems, I guess.
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We just sort of clashed and then, you know, doing just chores around the house.
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Like, we just fight over doing the dishes.
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You know, that sort of thing.
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We had a dishwasher here and it stopped working.
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You know, like who, who would, who would like carry their stair and stuff like that.
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And it would escalate.
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It really wasn t healthy.
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Like, I don t blame her for leaving, but I guess I just can t get over the fact like, this is just, I m in a really rough spot and I just kind of felt a little,
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Like she pushed me away by going through with that, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, do you have a job?
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Do you make money?
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No, not currently.
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Okay.
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Did you have, you had like, since you left college, have you had a job or has it all?
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Yeah, I have two cashiering jobs.
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Work at a grocery store and then I work at a big loft.
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Do you have any pipe
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dreams?
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Do I have any, I mean, I like, I d like for people to listen to my music, but I don t like it.
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So I, I wish I could have the attention span to sit down and work on something, but it s just a struggle.
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Like I ll have like little bursts of ideas and I never follow through on them.
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Hmm.
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Do you have friends?
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Do you see people outside of your aunt?
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Not really.
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Can I ask what state you live in?
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I had plenty of friends in college, but they all kind of ghosted me after I left.
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Cass, what state you live in?
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You don t have to tell me if you don t want to, but I m curious.
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Connecticut.
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Connecticut, alright.
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Um, do you live near a major city at all?
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Um, I guess closest would be New York.
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Hmm.
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What s your relationship like with your aunt?
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Um, well, I- I loved my grandmother, who is her- her sister.
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Ahem.
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and they were like inseparable.
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And like the both of them, my parents were always working when I was growing up.
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So like they both of them kind of would watch me.
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So I guess I just feel some sort of deep responsibility to them because in all honesty, I don t really think my uncles care that much.
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Like my dad does care, but he,
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I should mention my father, he s been going through his second bout of cancer on top of everything.
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So that s really why he hasn t been around here that much.
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He s been busy with that, which is obviously understandable.
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I don t really have a big family.
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They re all I ve got.
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And once they re gone, I mean...
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That s it.
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You know man.
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This is time.
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You know I feel like I ve talked to some people on the podcast recently who like had this issue of like taking care of somebody versus like living their own lives and I I don t know.
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I feel like it s a personal decision but I will say
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You know, it s a personal decision, I think, about, like, you know, do you prioritize yourself, or is this responsibility that you feel to your family, um, you know, more important than you not hating your life?
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If you asked me personally, and I m not, you know, the arbiter of
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uh, everyone s personal choices or anything like that, but I- I do think at a certain point, and I don t know how this manifests in your actions or anything like that, but I do think at a certain point, uh, especially, you know, with how young you are, like, it bec- it- it s a detriment to continue to neglect your own life
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to take care of other people.
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That feels, in my gut, that feels unhealthy to me, you know?
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If you re just constantly- No, I mean, obviously it is, because I m really not doing great.
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Yeah, yeah, and I don t think you- and look, man, by the way, I want you to know, I think it s very noble what you re doing.
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Um, and you seem like a good guy, so it, it,
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is a bummer... that... you re, like, not giving yourself the... chance to develop your own life.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Um... And also, I- and, you know, I m sorry to hear about your dad, um... Well, he s- he s doing a lot better, but that was- that was all kind of culminating while my girlfriend was living here.
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Yeah.
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You know, this was like more towards the beginning of the year.
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And since then, he s been doing a lot better.
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Thankfully.
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It s just been a very hard year.
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How about, I mean, how about this?
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If we were to... Because, you know, look, we re gonna end this phone call.
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And, uh... You know, I hope that... I hope it was of some benefit to talk about this.
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Talking about it helps.
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Is there a lot... Is there one thing, however fucking small, is there one thing, or however big,
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that you can do just for yourself, you know?
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Like, now.
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Like, do you have any idea of what that could be if you were just doing one thing for yourself?
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I mean... Uh... Yeah, I really don t know what that would entail.
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I guess it would be nice to have, like, a vacation.
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But it s just not something that s feasible.
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Currently.
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Um...
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In all honesty, I don t know.
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I... I can t tell you to push your aunt down a flight of stairs and go to Mexico.
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But... I do think that... What... I ll land on this.
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Because this is a complicated issue and it s a real personal choice.
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I ll land on this.
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I hope...
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Okay, I ll land on this.
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I hope that every day when you make this choice, that you re going to take on this responsibility to help your aunt at the expense of, you know, other things that you could be doing with your life as a cool young guy.
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I hope you are making that decision intentionally, and as part of making that decision intentionally,
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you feel good about the decision instead of making the decision and then hating life every day because that s the opposite of having your cake and eating it too is making an intentional decision about your life and then just hating it every day as if you re not in some modicum of control do you know what i mean yeah i get i get what you re saying i mean nobody s forcing me to do this it s
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Like I said, I really don t feel like I could, um, live with myself if we put her in a home or something and then she s dead within a month.
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Because I m pretty sure that s how her mother went.
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She was- hold up.
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Wait, she s 94, you said?
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Mm-hmm.
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She s my great-aunt, not my aunt.
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I don t want to be specific.
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Buddy.
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I don t want to tell you what to do, man, but like... 94 is a pretty fucking good run, dude.
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Yeah, I know.
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94 is a good run.
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He s a very stubborn one.
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I ll tell you what.
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94 is a good... What s your name?
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Matt.
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Matt, 94 is a good run.
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If you put her in a home and she dies... She had a good run, brother.
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And by the way, it s not like... By the way, the whole... By the way, putting her in a home... I don t... Where are you getting this?
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Where are you getting this from?
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That put... That she will die if you put her in a home.
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And because, in all honesty, I feel like she s very attached to her house.
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She s incredible.
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She s always been a homebody.
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She s been incredibly attached to this house her whole life.
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Well, then you know what, dude?
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I feel like taking her out of her environment would just ruin it.
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Then why doesn t she pay for somebody to... Dude, why doesn t she pay for somebody to help her out?
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We ve tried.
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We ve tried to get people to come in.
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and like through her health insurance and they ll only come for like a few weeks and then that s it we ve tried we ve tried and tried we re not loaded here unfortunately i i wish we were but if she got put in the home the house would probably have to get put towards that like that s a little dire here you have a man but in a certain but like i
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I don t, I feel bad going on and on about this because I don t, but like, kind of at a look, dude, at a certain point, like, look, here s the thing.
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I want to make sure that when I m 95 years old, like you, you have, she has a little bit of personal responsibility.
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We all know.
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No, we re gonna get old.
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And we have a little bit of personal responsibility to make sure that when we re old and sick, um, you know, we re not making everybody else s, you know, lives miserable around us to take care of us.
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And like, you know, if I gotta get put in a home, and that s what I did instead of making my great-grandson miss his life and be fucking miserable, then, um,
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You know, at a certain point, I think she s gotta be a little bit responsible for this instead of, like, bringing your ass down too, you know?
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And I m sorry, I don t know if it s my place to say those things, but like, that s just how I feel as an outsider looking at this situation.
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I mean, I get what you re saying, she s just, like, she s kind of in la la land.
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Like, I don t even know if she realizes, so... It s just very difficult.
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Um, what s your name again?
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Matt.
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Matt, um... Well, Matt, thanks for talking about all this stuff.
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I hope, um... Just, man, I hope you think about it.
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I appreciate you calling me, dude.
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I ve been, uh... You listening to your podcast has been helping me stay sane, so... Cool.
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Well, I m glad to hear that, man.
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I just, um...
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Uh, if you leave this conversation with anything, I hope it s that you are making an int- I just- I just hope it s that you re making this intentional decision every day, um, instead of, like, letting all of this shit happen to you passively, because that s not... Because that- that would just, to me, feel like a waste, because you re, you know, you re a cool young guy.
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Alright?
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So... I m glad you think so.
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Uh, thanks for calling, Matt.
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Have a good one.
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Thanks man, have a good one.
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Fuck dude, I don t know this stuff is hard for because I like I Really do I really don t want to tell I like I mean I do it a lot I m sure I do it a lot, but I really don t Again it s a personal decision whether you want to sacrifice your life for Somebody who you feel like you owe some kind of debt to if that s your prerogative then sure but like I
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But, I don t know dude, if at a certain, you know, the 60 year old version of this woman would hopefully come up with some kind of plan or, or, or like, you know, for her to be put in a home, it s like, oh no, she has to make some kind of concession so that her great-grandson isn t, um, you know, wasting his, his youth and feeling depressed and horrible every day to take care of her.
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I just don t...
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I don t know.
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I m a gecko on the computer.
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What do I fucking know about anything?
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Hello?
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Hello.
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Who is this?
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My name s Sabine.
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Venus?
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Sabine.
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Sabine.
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What s up, Sabine?
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How s life?
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Pretty good today, I would say.
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Where are you calling from?
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I m calling from Denmark.
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Oh, cool.
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What part of Denmark?
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Copenhagen.
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Cool man Copenhagen s just I mean it s one of my favorite cities in the world man.
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It s very uh it s alive Everyone s riding.
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Yes Everyone s eating.
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Oh, yeah the bikes You know what s fucked up is um
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Americans are known for being obese and gross, but I went over every time I go over to like Europe it s like everyone s only drinking coke and beer and cakes like they eat way worse over there, but for some reason They re they re not fat Yeah, yes, yeah, I think so we eat a lot of How do you put it crap?
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On a daily basis over here Sweden is worse though
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Um, yeah, Sweden, uh, the 7-Eleven, I went to a 7-Eleven in Sweden, and they had, like, a spaghetti station there.
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And I was like, uh, yeah, you know what I m talking about?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Have you tried the fast mash?
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Fast mash?
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What s a fast mash?
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It s like a coffee machine.
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They have, like, tank stations, but it dispenses, like, mashed potatoes.
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So you re telling me that you guys have a mashed potato dispenser at your 7-elevens and we are the fat folks Well Sweden has that it s not in Copenhagen sadly yet All right, I m gonna have to try that I m gonna have to try that it s annoying I just every single one of these podcasts is just gonna be me ranting about fast food which I guess is fine, but I m
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It s such a bummer.
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I m sure I ve talked about this before.
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It s such a bummer that every, like, classically American fast food brand sucks in America and is better abroad.
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Like, 7-Eleven is disgusting here in America, but if you go to a 7-Eleven in Sweden, there s like, you know, people working there don t seem like they want to kill themselves.
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Yeah, I really could imagine.
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I ve tried a few classic American stuff, like the Froot Loops and Twinkies and all that.
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And you always hear about how it s the greatest and they grew up with it and it s nostalgic.
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And it just kind of tastes the same and extremely sweet.
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So I could imagine your 7-Elevens being very greasy.
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Well, Sabina, I feel like you didn t call in to talk about 7-Eleven.
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So, um, is there anything in particular that you wanted to talk about today?
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Well, I think it was mostly the need to just talk, you know, I ve had a rough couple of years.
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Um, and, um, I know that some people call in and talk about
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Nothing and sometimes we talk about important stuff, but I think I just want to talk to someone, you know, I don t have a good relationship with a lot of people but You know, sometimes it s just tough being the friend that always has the bad news, you know The friend that always has the bad news yeah, you know every time you see someone and I
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They just never have anything good to say.
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Right.
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And I m extremely scared of becoming that friend.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So it for me, it s become like, I just don t talk about it to anyone.
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Well, why have you had a rough couple of years?
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Well, the first one is going to be a little hard to explain, but you ve probably heard about the fact that in Denmark, you get paid to go to school.
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Yeah, yeah, I have heard about that.
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Yeah, and it s kind of just like getting paid for your job.
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It s so integrated into our society that we can t function if we don t have that.
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It s expected that we live our lives with the pay we get from school.
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But I took a three-year education and one day they just all decided that
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That somehow I went to the wrong school or something and they wanted me to pay it all back.
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You went to a school that Denmark is like, oh wait, we actually don t cover this school, so you have to give us that money back?
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Yeah, they decided that all of a sudden, despite them approving of it.
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Are they allowed to do that?
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Well, I guess if you re a government of a country, you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want.
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Yeah, but I had lawyers on it and everything.
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It wasn t just me.
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It was all the students that went to my class.
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And we had a lawyer look into it.
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Unfortunately, that particular place is protected by one paragraph that says that the student is responsible to figure out if
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The state is right in their approval.
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So you did like a class action lawsuit?
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We tried, but unfortunately, due to the fact that it was already a part of the, their rules and you know, and terms.
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And there wasn t really much we could do.
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We just got screwed.
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So, uh, how many, around how many, so a bunch of, a bunch of people who went to the school got fucked.
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How many people got fucked?
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Well, at first we thought it was 24, but it turned out that it was also students from earlier years, so around 200.
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And it was also people that went there from like almost 10 years ago, I think we figured out, that got hit by
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well, what is it called?
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They had to pay it back for a school they went to ten years ago.
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Damn, so you re just going along living your life and all of a sudden the Danish government hits you with a bill for your school that you went to ten years ago.
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Yeah, exactly.
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That s what happened to them.
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So, I m curious.
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Do you know personally anybody else who is in this group of 200 people?
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And if so, like,
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Do, do you know what they re doing, what their plan is to kind of deal with all this stuff?
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Um, some of them, um, many of them dropped out.
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Uh, this happened, uh, for our class, uh, before we were even done with school.
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Um, and many of them dropped out.
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So I lost contact with them automatically.
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Um, but I had one really close friend who.
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She also took a loan on the side.
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You can do that real cheap payback as well.
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If, well, if the state doesn t get you money, but it was almost half a million Danish crown.
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She had to pay back.
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Yeah.
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What d you go to school for?
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Fashion design.
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Okay.
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Um, do you, do you, were you able to get some kind of a job?
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Kind of.
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I m a freelancer and I m doing pretty okay.
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The fashion market isn t really the biggest and broadest in Europe or Denmark specifically.
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So I already knew that I couldn t work for like a company and I had to go freelancing.
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So I m a hat maker in Sweden at the moment.
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You re doing what in Sweden?
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I m a hat maker.
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You make hats in Sweden.
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Yeah.
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That s cool.
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I like any kind of job that was, you know, they were doing in the 1700s.
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And I feel like a Swedish hat maker.
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It s cool that in the year of 2020, almost 2024, there are still Swedish hat makers.
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Oh, yeah, it s it s huge.
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Whenever a Swedish student gets a Ph.D., they have to get the doctor s hat.
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And that s the kind of hats I do.
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So I have the work.
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every six months when they graduate.
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Ah, that s smart.
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So, how much debt are you in from Danish fuckery?
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Well, I was 175,000 Danish crowns.
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I don t know how much that is.
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Can I look it up real quick?
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Yeah, let s find that out.
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Let s see.
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Danish crowns.
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to USD.
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Okay, 175, 1, 2, 3.
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It s about $25,000.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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You know, when it comes to like student debt, I feel like that s not horrible.
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Oh no, not at all compared to like what you get in America, from what I hear.
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I mean, I m like, dude, some people in America are like, you know, high six figures in student debt.
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But I mean, but it s I mean, it is it does it is made a little bit worse by the fact that you didn t, you know, because at least the people who go like six figures into debt, like they knew they were going to take it on.
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Whereas you didn t know you re going to even take that debt on you just got fucked by by Denmark.
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This is the equivalent of having done a job for
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three years.
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And then suddenly your boss comes back and say, you didn t do your job properly.
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Therefore, you have to pay off your entire payment, you have to get back again.
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Well, it took all my savings.
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So I m out of it.
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Luckily, but I don t have any money now.
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Are you able to make decent enough money making hats?
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Yeah, it s
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It s okay.
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I m probably going to go back to school to get some, quote unquote, real education at some point.
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Because I can t do it full time, sadly.
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And it s good pay, but it s not, you know, enough.
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Denmark is a very expensive city to live in, and even more now than ever.
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I don t know what could possibly be realer than being a Swedish hat maker.
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Thank you.
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What when you said when you say a real education, what does that mean?
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You know, I ve kind of come to the realization that I need to have a job.
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Well, another job on the side to make it by and to save up comfortably and stuff like that.
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So I m taking an education in children s psychology.
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Oh, cool.
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In January, hopefully.
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And then I m going to be like a
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Kindergarten teacher for a couple years You know I m gonna say this Sabina.
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I m sorry that you re struggling, but also on that on the other hand It does it is kind of comforting to hear that People are economically fucked in Denmark too because I think a lot of Americans think it s just us No, yeah No, I think it s everybody
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Entirety of Scandinavia is really except Norway.
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They re doing great Because don t people always and I m talking about things that I just have no idea about and I just I m like Making this all up and have no idea what I m talking about But I feel like people always like point to Scandinavia as like, oh, this is how we should do things.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah In in a lot of ways we do it I would never I always think about living like a
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somewhere that s really, really warm.
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These days we have minus five degrees Celsius, which is pretty fucking cold and sweat.
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I d love to go somewhere warm, but Scandinavia is just really, really good.
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It may be an expensive, but the health care and the mental health care is nice and it doesn t
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Don t put debts on your children.
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Do you guys get free health care in Denmark?
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Yes.
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We pay it over our taxes, of course.
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We have those abnormally high taxes.
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But yeah, free health care and free mental health care.
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I feel like they give you guys free popsicles too.
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Do they give you free popsicles?
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When we go to the doctor?
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Just like in general, just if you just get a yearly popsicle if you live in Denmark?
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No, but every four years when we have like our, what s it called?
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The change of state, the elections.
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People always standing like around the stations and they re giving out free bread.
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And sometimes popsicles.
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What s your name again?
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Sabine?
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Yeah, Sabine.
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Sabina.
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Um, well, Sabina, uh, I don t know.
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I mean, you sound like you re doing pretty good when you said you had a, I hope this isn t diminishing, but when you said you had a rough couple of years, I was expecting far worse.
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You sound like you re doing okay.
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I am, but I m doing okay.
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But as a, I m doing a lot of therapy at the moment for a lot of other couples stuff.
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Um,
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And that s really working for me.
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But I m trying to stay positive, you know.
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I ve spent the last six months being absolutely miserable.
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I had a terrible dead end job at that time.
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That really knocked me off my feet after everything.
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But I m out of it and gone to therapy and that s good.
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It s not to say that I m... I m sorry?
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Have you learned and has therapy been helpful for you?
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Oh yeah, absolutely.
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I ve done psychotherapy with metacognitive treatment, I think it s called in English.
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Is that what they shock you?
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No, no.
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It s learning to
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To look at your own thoughts and feeling as neutral and not not as a part of yourself So yeah, yeah, yeah
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I ve heard of that stuff like the whole the whole you are not your thoughts idea.
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Yeah, yeah, I Don t know well.
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I don t know man because if you re not like That s an interesting thing to think about because if you re not your thoughts Then what are you?
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Yeah, that s I asked about that as well and my
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My therapist, she said that s the eternal question that they always ask themselves and we should ask ourselves.
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But we are not our thoughts.
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We are not our thoughts.
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We are a talking gecko and a Swedish hat maker.
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Yes.
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Sabine, is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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I hope
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that everybody stands up for themselves and hangs in there because I know everybody is struggling in these times.
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But I think it s going to be better and hopefully someday the house market crashes.
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Have a good rest of the night.
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You too.
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Thank you.
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Bye Sabine.
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you know what I m realizing is that we actually on the I think on the most recent podcast we also had a Danish caller and I also talked a lot about Danish 7-eleven for real if you have if you ve ever if you ever go to 7-eleven you got to get the honey chicken at the
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at the Danish 7-Eleven.
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It s really good.
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It s better- If you go on like Yelp or whatever or TripAdvisor or whatever the fuck, it ll tell you all these fancy restaurants.
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Don t do that.
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Go to 7-Eleven and get the honey chicken.
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It s really good.
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Hello?
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Yeah, what s your name, dog?
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Jarret.
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SPEAKER_01
What s happening, Jarret?
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SPEAKER_02
What s going on?
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I woke up to your stream and just was dedicated to get on to it.
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And now here we are, Jarrod.
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Jarrod.
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Yes, man.
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SPEAKER_02
Hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
What s up, man?
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SPEAKER_02
I feel like, you know, if you re dedicated to getting on the stream, I feel like there was something you wanted to talk about.
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SPEAKER_02
It s okay.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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A while ago, it was like the biggest thing I wanted to do because I was like really depressed.
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And I just needed, like, somebody random and anonymous to talk to.
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And then I saw your stream, and I was just like, oh, this is perfect.
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And so I set aside some time, because I m, like, always busy now, and I hate it, to try and talk to you, and, well, now here I am.
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But now life is kind of okay.
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It s a little bit better.
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But it s still ambiguous, and I don t know what to do.
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SPEAKER_01
What do you mean by ambiguous?
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SPEAKER_01
Uh, well,
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I have all these things going for me, but I don t know.
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I feel like I m getting nowhere in life, and I feel like I m wasting a lot of opportunity, and I feel really bad about it.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know.
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I m in college.
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I have jobs.
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I work with my parents, but I m going nowhere.
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What opportunity do you have that you feel as though you are wasting?
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The fact that I go to college, I know that s not, I know that s like something a lot of people in America do, but like a lot of people also don t get the chance to go to college.
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I don t know.
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I just, I went into, I went to school or I went to high school just because it was the only thing to do.
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And then I went to college just because it was the only thing to do.
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My parents were just, you know, telling me like, it s the best thing for you.
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So I did it without thinking about what was after that.
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or what else I could do, because I don t know what I want to do with my life.
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I like doing small niche hobbies.
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I like blacksmithing and rock climbing, not papers and essays.
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We are on the cusp of World War 3.
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Which will be fought with guns, but famously, World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
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So if you get in early on the blacksmithing, in about 30 years, you might be the most in-demand skillsman in the United States.
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Then I can t wait for World War 4.
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You re gonna make a lot of money off of World War 4.
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How old are you?
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SPEAKER_01
I m 20.
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Okay.
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What do you mean?
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Well, I still, after everything you ve told me, don t understand why you feel guilty or like you re wasting something.
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What do you feel like you re wasting?
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Just life?
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Well, everything that I do, well, at least recently.
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No, that s not true because my whole life, I feel like I haven t really achieved anything other than just kind of getting by.
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What the fuck are you supposed to have achieved by now?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know, like, I look at all my friends around me and they ve achieved stuff, like, some of them are already- Oh, they have soccer trophies?
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No, like- Which of your- hold on, hold on, hold on.
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SPEAKER_02
Which of your friends are millionaires?
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Uh, I have this one friend- okay, I don t want to get too specific, but, um, I went to a private school with a bunch of, like, Richie Prissy kids, and they re pretty nice, but one of them s already, like, he invested in, uh, like, crypto and stuff like that,
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and now he s a millionaire and he s moving like it s oh man and then another person like they re already ahead on their college degree and they re already like they already graduated college
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And they re on to their masters or their PhD, I think.
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Be happy for him.
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Look, look, look.
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Some people got a lot of money from their parents, put it into cryptocurrency, and it made them a lot of money.
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And that s what happened to them.
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That s their life.
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Who gives a shit?
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It doesn t affect you at all.
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That s true, I guess.
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Well, and by the way, that s not really I mean, I don t really know if that s
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I mean, I m not gonna knock it.
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I mean, it s, you know, they have a lot of money.
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That s always, it s cool.
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Having a lot of money is, is cool.
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But like, what, they didn t, they didn t really do anything.
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SPEAKER_02
That s true.
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SPEAKER_02
What do you want to do?
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SPEAKER_02
What do you want to, what do you want to do?
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What do you like actually, cause I mean, you re right now, you re just getting mad at yourself because you don t have 10 Ethereum.
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I guess.
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Um, uh, I don t know.
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That s the other thing I want to say.
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I have no clue.
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I ve never known what I wanted to do with my life.
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I ve always just enjoyed the hobbies that I do.
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SPEAKER_02
What are the hobbies that you do aside from just blacksmithing?
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I like rock climbing, skateboarding, scuba diving.
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I play music.
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I love playing music.
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piano whenever I m like frustrated.
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SPEAKER_01
Bro, it sounds like you do a lot of things.
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I do a lot.
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I have, I do martial arts and stuff too.
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It s just, I don t know, man, I can t make a career out of any of this stuff.
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Brother, you re a renaissance man.
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You know, I, uh, so, uh, so it s what, it s about like making money.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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It s mainly, I just want to be successful, not about making money, but just enough to like live comfortably, um, and to support a family.
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because I do want a family one day.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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You know, this is all interesting because, um, I, I, you know, well, what does successful look like to you?
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What my parents are like right now is actually like the best example.
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Um, they, uh, my dad, he was kind of in the same boat as me and then he found my mom and then they were just on their own for their entire, like thirties.
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And my mom became a vet, or she was a vet, and then that s when they met, and then they kinda just started building a life off of that.
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And then over time, they started upgrading and upgrading.
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They were in a little apartment when I was born, and then they moved on to buying a house during the housing crisis of 2008.
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So are you saying that having a big house is successful for you?
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No, we re not in a big house.
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It s just like a mediocre house.
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I m just saying, like, if I could own my own place, make enough to like buy groceries for the week and to also like go on vacation.
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Give me a number.
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What s the number?
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What s an amount of money you want to make?
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That I want to make?
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At least a million.
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You said you said well, it s funny cuz you said I want him I just want to have enough to support a family and
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Because you went from I you would do you just went from I want to have enough to support a family and get groceries And blah blah blah and then you were like I want to make a million dollars a year Which hey in 70 years that might be the number to support a family and and get groceries, but it s not right now.
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Oh Shit, maybe like 5k that 500k.
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Sorry you want to make $500,000 a year it yeah, I would say at least that then cuz that between 500k and a milk is like it s like
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Average I guess or not like the average for everybody in America, but just like dude hold on $500,000 All right, I don t know what school you went to but it has brainwashed you $500,000 is not the average salary in America.
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I know no I know I meant I meant I meant that like I
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Like in general, I guess, it s just what I want, what I want.
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That s my success.
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Okay, so that s your success.
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That s your success.
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By the way, there s nothing wrong with wanting to make a lot of money.
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I don t think there s anything wrong with that, if that s your prerogative in life.
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Okay, so you want to make $500,000 a year.
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Yeah, at least I would say because that s that s what I mean by live comfortably because then you can like Get the things you want and still have enough to pay the bills and all that kind of stuff Okay, all right, I m gonna tell you a few things one is that
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Money is like a tool, you know?
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And if you just start randomly spouting off like, oh, I want to make $500,000 because that s how much it costs to live comfortably, you need to... I m going to get practical with you on this.
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You need to do this and you need to reverse your thinking on this, okay?
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Because you actually need to start from the other end.
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Because you re starting with a number, and then working backwards with a life, right?
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So why don t you start with a life, and then come up with a number from there?
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Do you know what I m saying to you right now?
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So, go ahead and go, I m gonna, this is real, like, shit.
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So you go, okay, I wanna be able to do this, and do this, and have this, and then this, and then you get your number from there, because what you might actually find out is that
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If your goal is to support a family and have groceries, it actually doesn t cost $500,000.
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Huh.
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I guess so.
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Do you get what I m saying?
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No, I do.
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I do.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I guess that s the normal way to look at it then.
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I don t know.
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I just hyperinflated throughout.
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my thinking throughout my life, I guess.
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Yeah, because you re crazy and you grew up around a bunch of crazy people who all have a million dollars in Dogecoin or whatever.
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But I mean, dude, like what else?
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I mean, you re also 20, man.
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Like what?
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Who cares about any of this stuff?
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Go, go be poor.
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I m a junior in college too, and I ve failed at least three classes.
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And I don t know if I m going to graduate on time and all that kind of like stress.
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My parents are kind of like, they re not like strict, but they re also, they also like want me to do well.
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So they stay on top of me quite a bit.
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And if I ever like get like a C or a D, then they start to like really pounce on me.
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So when I failed three courses in a year, they were not happy with me.
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So.
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Okay.
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And then what do you know?
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I m just kind of floating and floating in life.
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Bro, what s your name again?
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Jarrett.
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Jarrett.
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Jarrett.
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Jarrett, you re crazy, man.
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What?
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Hold on.
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Jarrett, you re, no, you re, it s, you re the good kind of crazy.
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Okay.
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All right, let s get, can we, can we, I m just trying to calm down for a second.
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Um, what are you, what are you studying in school?
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Um, currently I, my major is biochemistry, but I want to change it over to chemistry because I, I don t know.
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I just, chemistry just comes easier to me than biology.
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Jarrett, do you like chemistry?
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A bit?
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Yeah.
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It s exciting enough to me to be like, oh, I could, I could stare at this for hours.
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Okay, it s good enough that you could do it for the rest of your life?
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I don t know about that.
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Okay.
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That s where my inner conscience comes in and it s just like, well, hold on there, pal.
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And I m very scared to commit to it because I like doing other things too.
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Okay.
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Cuz I was cuz you know also I don t think there s anything wrong with like I mean Jerry you re a renaissance man you listed off like six different hobbies Yeah, and I don t think there s anything wrong at all with Having some shitty Jade day job and then on the side doing your hobbies and living your life I Guess so but I still I m still I
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I just, the reason I said you re crazy is for a lot of reasons, is because you are like, oh, I m 20 and I haven t accomplished anything yet and I m gonna beat myself up about it and freak out about it because I don t have a million dollars in cryptocurrency like my friend does.
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Yeah.
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And also, you know, I need to make $500,000 to buy groceries.
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You know, you gotta come back down to earth, my friend.
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You ll have a good time here.
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Yeah.
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It s more than just the fact, I don t know, I m just kind of scared to talk about a lot of this stuff, but I don t really care at this point.
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What do you mean?
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Why are you scared to talk about this stuff?
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No, because like, that s just like the start, that s where it starts.
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I just think I m a failure in life because like, I crashed my car a lot and I had to pay it all off.
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So I lost all my money.
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And then I failed college.
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I barely made it out of high school.
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Well, that s not completely true, but like, yeah.
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And then I said, like, I didn t really achieve anything.
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I don t have anything out there with my name on it.
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Other than, like, maybe my Instagram.
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Bro, you re scuba diving and blacksmithing.
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You re not a failure.
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Those are hobbies, though.
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Those aren t, like, achievements.
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Jared, listen.
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I m not taking back what I said about you being crazy.
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You re crazy.
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But you re not a failure.
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Okay?
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You re not a failure.
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You re too...
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You re too young to write yourself off as a failure because you got into a car accident and because you are skipping, you know, you fucked up some classes.
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You just stop doing that.
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Don t write, don t write yourself off as a failure.
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Okay.
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Just stop doing that today.
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All right.
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Yes.
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Yes, Mr. Gecko.
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Okay.
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Um,
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Yeah, it gets to me.
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But I understand.
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You re not a failure because you fucked up a little bit here and there at the age of 20.
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Let me ask you a couple questions.
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Did you kill anyone in this car accident?
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No, no, no, no, did you get did you get?
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three five times above the The alcohol limit for driving and murder a six-year-old girl Lord God no all right Look these these are my standards for for failure.
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All right.
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Did you?
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Did you get somebody pregnant?
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No, god, okay, I know which I did though, but no Dude, you re crazy.
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All right Um, I want like early because that would mean I would have a relationship with something like a really strong.
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No, you don t No, you don t dude.
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Okay.
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Here s the thing.
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No because here s the thing.
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I want you.
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I want you to know something Oh, you know something.
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Okay.
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All right you
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You having no money and being 20 is fine.
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You having no money and being 20 and having a kid is not fine.
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But you having no money right now and it s just you and you re not responsible for anyone else.
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Yeah.
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You re fine.
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You re not a failure.
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You re fine.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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All right.
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You re fine.
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Just trust me that you re fine.
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All right.
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Um.
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I don t even know what I was saying to you.
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But uh, look, you didn t fucking kill any- like, just, you ve given me no reason as to why you re a failure who should go die in the woods, and that s what I m sensing is how you feel about yourself, and I don t think you should feel that way anymore.
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Uh, okay.
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Well, thank you.
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I just, I don t know.
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It s been, I don t know, maybe it s been getting in my own head.
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I don t know.
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It s just, it s been rough for me, at least lately.
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And that s why I wanted to talk to you.
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Uh, how do you feel about the conversation that we ve had so far?
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I guess better.
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made me snap back to reality.
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Also, chat really helped with, like, them flaming on me.
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It made me realize.
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I know.
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I haven t looked at the chat.
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I don t know if they re... I don t really care whether or not they re flaming on you.
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But, um... They can flame.
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It s alright.
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Ah, you re fucking crazy, dude.
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Um... Jared, why don t you go make... Why don t you go... You know what... You know what I think you need to do?
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What?
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I think you re too in your head and you gotta go make a sword.
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Dude, you re right.
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Why don t you go make a sword, dude?
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That is a good idea.
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Just spend some time making a sword.
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It s cold outside, though.
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Why do you have to go outside to make a sword?
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Because that s where the forge is.
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Go- Buddy, go make a fucking- Go be a blacksmith!
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Go be Skyrim!
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Go make a fucking sword in the cold!
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Do it.
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That sounds awesome.
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I want to make a sword in the cold.
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I guess so.
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In the snow.
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That sounds sick, dude.
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I ll save it for break because I have finals and shit coming up and you study for it.
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Okay.
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We ll go do that.
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And, um, just, I don t know, Jared, don t beat yourself up so much because you don t have a million dollars.
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Thank you, Mr. Gecko.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people, the computer before we go?
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Um,
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One more thing.
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I ve been wanting to say this on such a big platform for so long.
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Learn to trim your animal s toenails.
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Please, for the love of God, do that.
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I m very glad that you chimed in with maybe the most random thing you possibly could have said at the end of this call.
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Thank you for that.
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You re welcome.
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Take care, Jared.
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Good luck.
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You too, Gecko.
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I want a million dollars.
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I d be sick.
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But you know what?
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We can t all have a million dollars in cryptocurrency.
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And if we did, it would be worthless.
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Maybe the government should just give us all a million dollars and we d all be happy.
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You know what I m going to do?
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I m going to run for president and my platform is that I m going to give
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Didn t Kanye West say that once?
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Didn t he say that we should give every baby a million dollars?
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He was right about that.
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We should give every baby a million dollars.