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I should have asked Christina about this blood thinner, because I literally feel it in my back.
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Ask her.
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I could just Google it, but... Ow!
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This would just happen with my phone hitting my foot.
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It hurt more than the shots.
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What are you talking about?
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We need to just do a podcast about that.
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What is painful to you?
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Yes.
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I mean, I don t love going on first dates, but to me, that s an exciting kind of pain.
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For you, it is intolerable.
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I won t.
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Exactly.
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And so that s really interesting to me.
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I mean, think about that.
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Well, history is
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backgrounds, everything you re coming to the table.
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It definitely affects mental pain, but it probably affects physical pain too.
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100%.
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There s all these studies about women have a higher threshold for pain on a lot of things because we are born out of a woman s pain, right?
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Childbirth is an inherently painful experience.
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But being a woman kind of means you re just become accustomed to pain in a way.
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Exactly.
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And I think it just makes us a little harder in that way.
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But I m a big fat baby.
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Stuff s passed down.
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We ve talked about it on Armchair.
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It s talked about, right?
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It s in the zeitgeist of inherited trauma.
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I have to be honest, I m pretty skeptical of that.
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Even though there s legit science, I feel that it s more modeling.
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But some people think it s epigenome level.
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Genetically, you inherit trauma.
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And I m a little skeptical of that.
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And even the data is a little overemphasized.
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Yes.
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There s a long way to go on all of that stuff.
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But I do believe that what you see and what is modeled for you gets woven into your DNA in some ways.
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It gets woven into your chemicals.
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100%.
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Anyway.
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Okay.
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I fact checked with Dax and I cried today.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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I already cried.
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What did you cry about?
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I cried because he told a story about Delta.
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And is it a positive story?
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Yeah, it was fine.
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It s a little sweet story of, I mean, Delta kind of, as you know, you met her, you were around her for like two days and she like clung on to you.
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She clings to people and she makes connections.
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It kind of everywhere she goes, she does that.
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And there in North Dakota, I think she s fallen in love with this sister of the person they re staying with.
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And she had told Delta, tomorrow, let s go to the river and listen to the river sounds.
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So,
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Delta woke up this morning like early and she was like brushing her hair and like getting ready, even though the lady wasn t there yet.
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Then she went in the house.
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Lady wasn t there.
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She came back and then she went to the river by herself and listened.
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And I just cried.
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And he was like, OK, what s going on?
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Oh, hormones.
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This is who you ve been for the last two weeks, though.
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Have you talked to Dax a lot?
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I feel like he might not twice.
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Yeah, he might not know.
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I would feel that s normal because we re in this.
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But to anyone else, it s like, wait, why are you?
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He was very kind about it.
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I think he was just like, oh, hormones.
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But what is happening?
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What s under it or whatever?
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And I was like, I just love her so much.
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And when I hear that, I m about to cry right now.
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I just hear it.
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And my cells start moving around in my body.
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It s very crazy.
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And he was like, are you worried you re not going to have
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have one of those.
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And I was like, I don t know.
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That is in the mix.
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I think that feeling is so intense.
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It s limited with her, you know, she s not mine.
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And there s a piece of me that s like, ah, but like I want not her, but well, I do want her, but maybe I need that.
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And sometimes something is so beautiful reflected back at you so that you know what you want.
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It s a signal, right?
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Every emotion is a message that is waiting to be heard.
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And so, I mean, I don t love that you cried, but I think that that seems like a positive cry that s giving you more information about what you might want.
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Yeah, I know.
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And you re doing the thing that ensures that it could happen.
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You re doing the single most productive thing you can do right now.
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Yeah, that s true.
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To line that up so that that is a thing that happens for you.
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Yeah.
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Has it changed how you feel about yourself as a child?
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Have you been thinking about that?
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How you relate to her?
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Weirdly, no.
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What it s done is made me connect more to my parents.
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Yeah.
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Less to me as a kid, but more to them parenting me and parenting my brother.
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The intensity.
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I don t think I could ever really... I still can t.
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We re not pregnant.
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Like, we don t have children.
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But I grew in my mom.
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Yeah.
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That s wild.
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We grew in them.
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Yeah.
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What s this right now in us was us.
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It s nuts.
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Yeah.
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It s magical.
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How does a mom… What?
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That s so much.
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It s a lot and it s cool.
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There s a part of it that I don t think I ve related more to my younger self.
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I think I ve related more to my older self.
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Ooh, talk about that.
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Right?
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And who I would be as a parent and it s almost like I m minded that way now.
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Do you think it ll stay that way?
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Do you think part of it is the hormones and doing this and we ll go back to our stupid single lives and just
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drinking wine and like not thinking.
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I wonder if this will change us a bit.
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Okay, maybe in six months we should do a check-in.
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Yeah, that s a good point.
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It might be different.
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I might be like, I don t want kids.
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Yeah.
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What if?
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Wow.
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It could be.
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We don t know.
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Wow.
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It s so cool.
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I m so happy we re doing this.
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Me too.
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Me too.
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And you came over last night and I had my pod girls over.
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Mine is Kristen because she s out of town.
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But Erica, Amy and Molly came and we put on a show for them with our shots.
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We had an audience.
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I felt proud.
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Did you?
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Me too.
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I mean, they were impressed.
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And they re moms.
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They re full on moms.
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They are full on the best moms I know.
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And I don t know.
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I don t know another word.
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I just was like, I feel proud.
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You were proud because you also perform.
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Monica never wants to perform.
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Every time I pull out the phone, she just looks at me with I have so many of eye rolls.
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If I want to make just a reel of eye rolls of Monica, I have more than enough.
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OK, I can t help it.
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It s okay.
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And now I don t take it personally.
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I m like, Oh, she just doesn t like, because, you know, we re spending all this time together and I m like, in your face, you re giving me needles.
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You re very supportive and doing so many things for me.
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Sometimes I worry, am I like an annoying TikToker coming in to people s face?
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But then I noticed how happy you are when we do have it documented.
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And so now I know, okay, it s just that she doesn t like being on camera, but she likes it after.
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I m really sorry I made you feel like that.
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No, don t feel sorry.
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And you don t make me feel anyway.
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I have to own the feelings that I feel.
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And that s just your experience of being videotaped.
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But last night I was like, oh, she s not just allowing it to happen.
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She s enjoying it and proud of it.
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And I felt really, really happy about that, seeing you like that.
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It was like cool to be doing it in front of these other people that I love and trust so much.
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And also I m a part of their motherhood world.
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I get to ride sort of shotgun to a lot of those.
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And it was kind of cool to have the roles reversed a little bit.
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I enjoyed it.
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But wait, we got to go back.
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OK, we have to go back because this is important for us to talk about, because I think what s very interesting about this
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whole thing we re doing is because we re on hormones and because it is a crash course, it s like you got here, we started our hormones, it all happened.
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And we re incredibly vulnerable.
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We re doing this crazy thing.
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You know, I thought about it like a few days in because I was like, Oh my God, I didn t really know Liz.
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In real life, we met when you came here and that is all.
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We ve texted.
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We ve tried.
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We had a very COVID New Yorker thread.
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I think I have COVID.
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Oh, now I think I have COVID.
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Let s meet up.
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Okay, great.
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Oh, I don t have COVID, but it might be COVID.
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I m waiting for my test and now you can t do it.
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It was like a slew of, we should read them.
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It s funny.
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I feel like this is what would happen, but still it could have gone the other way.
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It was very fascinating because I felt like it was asking Amy, like, I felt like it was asking anyone I know really well and trust and love.
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But then when I reflected, I was like, oh, my God, that s crazy.
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That is crazy.
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And now we jumped in head first.
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I feel so lucky and so grateful that it s gone the way it s gone.
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And I do feel I m like Liz is my best friend.
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It feels like that.
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I feel like.
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With your best, you don t like, oh my God, don t be weird.
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She s going to think you re nuts.
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But like it has felt like we re like sisters in a way.
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Absolutely.
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I want to cry when I say this because I think about doing it on my own and I have a tendency to go, if I m on my own for too long and again, I do something, I ll do it.
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I ll arm up and I ll, you know, get through it.
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But that side of me, high functioning, whatever, the downside is that I don t know.
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I don t ask for help.
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I don t ask for support.
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I blame myself.
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I think you ve transformed this experience for me in such a unique way where even the fact that I feel like I can do this,
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It s because I m with you.
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No, because if I d been alone, I ve made all these mistakes.
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I know we re not mom and dad and we re doing this separately.
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It s like mom and mom doing their own thing.
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But it does feel like we re co-parenting our egg freezing.
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Like it feels like I have a partner in this and I think that s why it s been fun and exciting.
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And I guess it s what happens when you do have a baby.
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I mean, again, it s very different, but you re like, oh my God, this is so hard.
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This is not what I thought it would be, but we can make it fun.
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Don t stop.
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I love it.
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I m a little annoyed.
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I m a little annoyed.
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But also, I love that we get overwhelmed different ways because I get overwhelmed and that s where I want to, again, do the TikTok, distract myself and you get on task.
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That is why we are on day nine and we have all our injections are done because the task is what gets lost.
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Virgo Pisces.
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We just work.
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I recommend Virgo Pisces.
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It s a good yin and yang.
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It s really powerful.
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I was saying that.
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Callie, maybe?
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She s also a Pisces, which is very interesting.
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She is?
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But she s weird.
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I think she has a lot of Virgo.
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Is she on the cusp?
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When is her birthday?
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March 14th.
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Oh, interesting.
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Wait, isn t that a Pisces?
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When s yours?
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That s Pisces, yeah.
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I m 19th.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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Maybe she s Virgo rising or something.
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She s a doer.
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She is, exactly.
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And she s very task-oriented.
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She s Tres.
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I mean, Tres.
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Tres is 100% Virgo.
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Yes.
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So Pisces, so on task.
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I can t keep a train of thought.
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I m also very bloated now.
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Me too.
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Everywhere.
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I am bloated.
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The eggs are growing.
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I touched your stomach yesterday and you screamed.
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I did.
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Because it hurt you.
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Yeah.
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It s that tender.
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It s very tender.
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I can t really lie on my stomach and I love lying on my stomach.
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And then I also have this mental thing where I m like, don t crush me as if there s like a baby I m going to crush.
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And even then, I think you can crush the baby if you sleep on your stomach.
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Don t quote me on that.
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Or even like, I bump into everything.
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It s like a thing.
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But when I m walking close to the counter at Kristen s and Dax s, I ll like slow down just so I don t walk right into the corner, which would be kind of silly.
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So you don t hit, you don t puncture any of the eggs.
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Yeah, it s a rehearsal.
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It s such a rehearsal.
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We should have Nathan on.
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Oh my God, I would love to.
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That would be funny.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So Virgo Pisces has been working out.
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It s such yin and yang.
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It really has.
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And I was telling Callie, it s so great because I do think your strengths are my weaknesses and perhaps vice versa.
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I agree.
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So it really is coming together in a nice way.
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Because we would have
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Zero content.
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We would have zero.
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Rob isn t even here to take pictures.
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Like, literally, there d be nothing.
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Yeah, no, that s a good point.
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Thank God you re here to do all the stuff that I eye-roll about.
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Yes.
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I think the yin and the yang, the weaknesses and the strengths is exactly right, because I can t even do my own shots.
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So there would be no shots to document.
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That is not true.
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If you were a Virgo queen.
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And last night, we were saying that maybe you should have a full costume.
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But tomorrow s our last night.
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Do you want to wear costumes to the egg retrieval?
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I think we have to take our clothes off.
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Damn it.
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Maybe for Trigger Shot we could do costumes, but we have to get them today.
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Now it s another task.
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Another task.
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Is there a costume store?
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It s not like New York.
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New York, for some reason, there s just Halloween all year round.
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Really?
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There s a costume store that s open year round in every borough.
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What, should it be scrubs?
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It should be scrubs, right?
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Scrubs.
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Or we could just get tiaras.
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We could keep those for the retrieval.
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Definitely.
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That would be funny.
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Party hats or something.
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After this, we re going to Face Gym.
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Yes.
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Oh, my God.
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Just having someone slap us in the face over and over again.
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I cannot recommend.
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It is so nice.
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It s so nice.
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We re going to do that.
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Maybe we ll go costume shopping after this.
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Okay.
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So we thought that we might talk about something a little bit different today because it s a real option in what we re doing.
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We wanted to talk to someone who s actively decided not to have kids and she, you may have heard of her, Chelsea Handler.
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She s a friend of the pod, a friend of mine.
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I love her so much.
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So let s hop in with Chelsea.
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Hi, girls.
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Chelsea.
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Monica, people loved you on the podcast.
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Chelsea, you know, you made actual dreams come true because you re married.
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Yeah.
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You re in your first relationship.
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Exactly.
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And it escalated quick.
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No, Jennifer Aniston, probably your best friend.
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I don t know.
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She liked that post and she s my number one.
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Did she follow you?
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I doubt it.
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Well, look, maybe she followed you.
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I ll look.
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I don t even need it.
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I just the fact that she liked that post of yours that I was on.
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I love her.
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I m sure she knows who you are.
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We ve talked to a lot of people at this point about so many different things.
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Fertility fraud.
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That one was delicious.
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What was that documentary we were talking about that?
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Exactly.
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That crazy doctor.
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Oh, so gross.
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There s so many stories like this woman who we talked to had nothing to do with that documentary and same story.
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This is nuts.
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So many yucky men out there.
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I just never agreed.
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What a sad state of affairs.
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Men should be standing up next to us calling out all of these other men and being like, we do not accept you in our group.
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Yes, exactly.
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Please remove yourself.
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Their whole thing is protecting women.
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That s what really angers me.
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It s like even according to your own definition of masculinity, you re not being a man by failing to protect women, even when you think about it in the most paternalistic kind of way.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They think they re on our side and that s enough.
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No, you need to get up and march and fight because our health is your health.
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Exactly.
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But yeah, we ve talked to a bunch of people and interesting stories, and some of them are really private and intense.
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But this episode on choosing not to be a mom, we ve had the hardest time getting people.
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I think it tells me something that women who make this decision, which I think is an incredibly valid decision, one I still might make, there s shame.
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What do you feel about it?
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Do you feel shame from the universe?
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No, I don t feel shame.
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I feel I m making more of a contribution by not becoming a parent.
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What I can contribute to, A, my own family, my nieces and nephews by being available to them.
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You know, I m probably not the best at, but I m pretty good at it.
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I think you re really good.
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Thank you, girls.
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I appreciate that.
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And I mean, I m available for them.
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I m always supportive of them in whatever means necessary.
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Additionally, I m able to give out lots of money to strangers that I ll never meet in times where people need that to help children, to help families.
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I m so available in those ways that I have no doubt that that is my real purpose.
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My generosity is for everybody, not for my insular family.
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And what I ve come to realize a lot in seeing the way different people manage their households and their families and the raising of their kids, especially in L.A., where things are pretty dicey with getting your kids into school and the competitive nature, and it s a fucking racket and people pay $60,000 for their kid to go to preschool.
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You re trying to get your kid in the best school to have the best chance at success.
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Of course, that s what a parent wants.
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But that s not considering all the other kids in the world.
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I know.
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When it s super one dimensional like that and everyone s like, well, I ve got to get my kid.
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And it s like that.
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It s kind of hard to respect that person because it s not just about your kid.
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It s about all kids and all children.
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You know, that s the idea of public schooling is that people are supposed to come together from different walks of life and learn about different ways of life by being culturally represented in every capacity, not just going to school with a bunch of people that look like you.
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So I feel like a lot of people who think that they re woke and they re liberal and they ve got their shit together are really thinking about their nuclear family more than they re thinking in a broader perspective.
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And of course, there are people who aren t like that.
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You know, I have plenty of friends who are actually much more well-rounded than that.
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But it s a pretty icky endeavor.
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And I ve seen it within my own family, too, at certain times where you re just tunnel visioned.
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Yeah.
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You re already going to win.
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You know what I mean?
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You re already winning.
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How much do you have to win?
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Wow.
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That s really a smart take on it because I do think people believe that if you don t have kids, you ve removed your maternal instinct.
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You ve removed caring about others.
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Really, you actually have more to give.
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Absolutely.
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The way I can show up for friendships when I have a friend in need, and it doesn t even have to be a friend.
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I ve been given referrals.
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girls before where people are going through crisis and one of my friends will be like, oh, Chelsea s really good at crisis.
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Chelsea will help you with this.
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People that I don t even know will call me and be like, hey, or my friend will be like, I don t have the time to deal with this.
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Can you go deal with this?
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I ve done that in my life so many times just to help.
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It s obviously more female heavy because I m a woman and that s my natural predilection
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is to feel close to women.
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But I am available for that.
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I m available if your heart is broken or the rug got pulled out from under you or you re going through a terrible, ugly divorce.
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I am available to help build back your self-esteem and help you understand the value in your own personhood.
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And I am very good at that.
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That is a skill set that I used to think was a little bit overbearing.
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And now I ve understood that it s a gift.
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Such a gift.
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And that s another thing I m available for.
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If I had a fucking kid, do you know how selfish I would be about that kid?
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It s true.
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The other thing that I really want to emphasize is I went to Disneyland when I was five or six.
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I felt like my intelligence was under assault because I couldn t believe what a racket that place was.
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And I ve made a vow to myself that I would never have a child, so I would never have to go back there.
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When you were five, you knew that?
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I don t know if I knew that, but I had an instinct and that instinct stayed with me.
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And over time, I was able to articulate what that instinct felt like, which was, I don t ever want to set foot in a place like this again.
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I don t want to go to Chuck E. Cheese.
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I don t want to go to a pizza party.
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I don t want to go to another roller skating party.
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There are so many things that I m done with.
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I had a childhood and I don t want another person exposing me to that.
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So there s other
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aspects of it, too, that aren t as altruistic.
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Yeah, because kids have pinworms, buttworms, and lice.
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And hand and foot and mouth disease.
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Exactly.
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Whatever that is.
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I don t even understand.
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Is it your hand or your foot or both?
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And then your mouth?
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Yeah.
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Because they touch their butts a lot, too, and it goes from butt to hand to eye to other things.
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Yeah.
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And they were delightful children.
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But it s a full time job.
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We re on a boat.
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You ve got to watch everybody, make sure everybody s got their life jackets.
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They didn t have a nanny with them, which I respected.
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And they made it seem like it was totally normal to have three kids.
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Yeah, like fine.
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So when I see that, I m always like, huh, that s amazing that you have such a bandwidth.
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Is it that they have such a bandwidth or just other areas suffer so that all their utiles can go to that?
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I don t know.
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I mean, some people seem to have it together enough to do it all.
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Maybe it s a facade, but some people are better at it for sure than others.
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But some people take a lot of joy and a lot of pleasure in their parenting.
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And that s always really nice to see.
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Yeah, that s true.
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And they need childless people like you to help and be around.
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The parents need non-parents in all kinds of different ways, either to support their kids and be the cool aunt, or to support them when they re going through something.
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And Glennon Doyle talks about how we have this very limited view of being a mom and being a parent, that during child separation, policies that she really thought, I m not the mother just of one child.
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We should see ourselves as parents of all children.
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You know, what I love about your perspective is that it seems like you take motherhood so seriously.
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That s why you re choosing not to do it, not the other way around, right?
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Because people would assume you don t want to be a mom because you re selfish.
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You don t want to be a mom because you don t have what it takes.
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But you re like, no, it takes a very specific thing.
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And if I want to do it, I want to do it right.
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Didn t you say in an interview it should be harder for people to have children?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there should be a test.
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It s selfish to have a child without thinking it through.
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That s selfish.
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I agree.
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I ve had so many girlfriends who were like, oh, I m in my 40s, I got pregnant, I wasn t planning on having a baby, but now it s irresponsible to get an abortion.
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Uh, no it s not.
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First of all, get one while you still fucking can.
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Exactly.
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A. B, you re not doing any baby any favor by being on the fence about becoming a parent.
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Exactly.
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With all this Rose stuff, that was the first thing I thought of.
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All these kids that are about to be born to parents who don t know how, don t know what they re in for, don t want to.
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This child is the only one that suffers.
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I mean, look, the woman suffers too.
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Look at the children.
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Growing up in a household to parents who don t want you is not a happy life.
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That s the origin of every villain, of not being wanted, right?
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That s the joker.
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And also really having reductive reasoning about it.
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My sister once said, oh, I just wanted someone that looked like me.
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And I was like, what?
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That s a lot of people, though.
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It is.
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They re like a mini me.
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You want someone to love you.
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I don t want to die alone.
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That s something I hear all the time.
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Or I want somebody that s going to love me unconditionally.
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That s not what a kid is for.
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Go get a dog.
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That s not the right prescription for what your desire is.
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But it is about real self-analysis and understanding what your strengths and weaknesses are.
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And if you re going to be somebody that s going to be good at that job, I don t think you should just get to have a baby.
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Yeah.
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Well, within our friend group, we were at a white elephant party and one of the gifts was a voodoo set or something.
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I don t know, like a Ouija board and then some other shit and some pot all wrapped up into a gift and I got it and then someone traded and took it away or whatever.
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And then my friend Eric, who has two kids, he was like, that has evil spirits.
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He believes in evil spirits.
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So he s like, that is evil spirits.
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Who got it?
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I was like, oh, Jenny.
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And he was like, does she have kids?
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And I was like, no.
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And he was like, oh, good.
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And I was like, wait, wait, wait.
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Just because she doesn t have kids now, it s OK that she gets eaten by the evil spirit.
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In his head, and I think this is very common, and then Dax and I have had multiple conversations about it since, does it make you more valuable?
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Does it make you more necessary?
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I obviously fuck up against this so much, but then when I really think about it, I m like, but they do have to care for this little bitch.
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It just gets complicated because I can t let anyone tell me I m not as valuable as somebody else.
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Yeah, it s funny you say that.
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You go through these crazy scenarios in your head and you re like, okay, if one of us had to die, it would have to be me because I m not a mother.
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Right.
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I ve thought that for sure before too.
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I mean, I would argue that that is valid.
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I know.
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And my sister s like, but think about all the people that would be impacted at you dying.
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And I was like, yeah, but I don t have a child to raise.
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It s a little bit different, but I know what you re saying.
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I ve had those thoughts before.
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I mean, it s a biological and a societal bias to be like, God, in the hierarchy of society.
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I ve also talked about this, like when we go on vacation as a big pod, right?
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So we have families, then we have couples, and then we have singles.
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And I feel like it literally goes in that order.
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And even when we re picking rooms.
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You get the shittiest room, you get the couch.
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I m loud and I demand my own room.
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I think it s part of our emancipation as single people.
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For like single people to stand up when you get the shitty pull out to be like, no, why would I?
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I know.
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And they re like, well, obviously there are two people sleeping together.
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It s like, well, then they can split up.
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Nothing like going on a vacation with your boyfriend or girlfriend and then having to split up.
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Exactly.
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I know.
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I know that s what makes me awful because I m like, we re all the same.
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And they re like, no.
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You know, when you go out to dinner or they have like a dinner arrangement for you, like a seating assignment, I m always like, fuck off.
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Just let everybody sit wherever they want.
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I don t like assigned seating.
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No, there s an implied hierarchy and I don t like it.
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But what you re saying is so true.
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It s reflected in weird trip things of preferences of rooms, but also the birth rate has been plummeting for a while.
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And so there s policies that are being presented.
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And there s one in the UK, this conservative writer, whatever, wrote this column suggesting a tax on child free people that if you don t have a child, you should pay a tax.
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Or even like a letter from the queen on your third to encourage people to have more babies.
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Wait, why would you encourage that?
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How about a carbon credit for not contributing to mass population?
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How about that for not having children?
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Do you know how much energy and pollution one person adds to this world?
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If anything, they need to be capping.
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I mean, I know we re not allowed to say that and I m not saying that.
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We re not allowed to get canceled, we said, while we re freezing our eggs.
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Yeah.
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Take me back to China.
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1994.
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Exactly.
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That s outrageous.
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It s wildly offensive and insulting.
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And only in a society where people who don t have children are devalued and it s totally acceptable to do it, would someone even suggest that?
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I think it s just a reflection of where we are.
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I mean, there is an argument for capping children in terms of the environment.
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They should have children in restaurants, too.
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I think there should be a limit.
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not in general, but just at a time.
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I have this new thing that I ve done.
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I think it s part of my growth and understanding that when I hear a child screaming, I m able to just not hear it.
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I would get so irritated when I was on a plane or in a restaurant when there was a really obnoxious kid.
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I felt compelled to tell the parents how badly that they were behaving or that they re terrible.
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And then after a while, I realized, no, no, you re
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terrible.
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Think about how to not let that sound wave come into your area and disrupt you.
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And I ve gotten good at it, I have to say.
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Right.
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Being thankful that you re not responsible for it is probably a good way to get through it.
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That s a great beginning.
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Yeah, that s a great way to get into it.
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Great way in.
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Gratitude, always.
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Gratitude that you re not their parent.
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Yeah.
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I was on a plane recently and a baby cried the whole time.
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And I felt so bad for that mother.
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I was like, ugh.
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My sister was once on a plane and her baby was a fucking nightmare.
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And the flight attendant came over and she goes, hi, we have a room in the back row and I m going to put your baby in the back row.
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And my sister goes, without me?
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Yeah, great.
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She s like, no, both of you are going in the back row.
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She got moved to the back of the bus.
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I was like, oh, that s so brutal.
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Wow.
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Oh, man.
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Motherhood s so hard.
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I m around so many incredible moms that I m just like,
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For anyone who s listening who s on the fence or, you know, doesn t think that they want children and they feel shame about it or they feel, what is my purpose then?
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Is this for a full life?
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I m here to tell you it is a full life.
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I ve had the most exciting time of my life repeatedly over and over and over again because of my untetheredness.
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I m not tethered to anything.
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I don t have that sense of responsibility.
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I have a sense of responsibility to a vast array of other things in my life, but I don t have anything that is keeping me in one place at one time.
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There is a whole world out there of interests and passions and adventure.
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And if you re a person like me who has a real zest for that and a real passion to see as much and meet as many people as possible, you re not doing a disservice to the world by not procreating.
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Quite the opposite.
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Have you had any moments at all of wavering or you ve just been reiterated over and over that it s the right decision?
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No, I mean, I ve been in relationships where I thought, oh, that would be a cool kid, he and I. But no, not in a real concrete way.
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You know, when I was 16 and got pregnant, I was like, oh, yes, I m going to be a mom.
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Really?
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I was hoping for twins.
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Well, I was 16 and I was an asshole.
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I was so excited.
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I was like, I had names picked out for the twins.
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They weren t twins, but in my mind, I was going to have twins.
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And my mother was like, you re not going to be a mother.
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You re getting an abortion and you re going to thank me many years later.
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And she was right.
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I was not ready.
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But I really believed that was the only time I was in a hubris enough to be like, oh, this might be a good idea.
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Even my sisters are like, you shouldn t become a mother.
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They know me and I don t take offense to that.
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Thank you for knowing me and telling me that.
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But I ve never really contemplated doing it.
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If I got pregnant, I would get an abortion.
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Yeah.
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I think back at this scene in House of Cards where Claire Underwood is asked, do you ever regret not having children?
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I think that s probably a question that people ask you.
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She responds, do you ever regret having them?
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It doesn t have to be this binary, do you regret it or did you want to do it?
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You could have those moments and still decide not to do it.
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And it s the right decision.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Women don t have enough to fucking deal with.
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You know what I mean?
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We have enough to deal with.
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Don t put that on us.
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I mean, obviously bringing children into the world is a woman s job because men can t give birth yet, but hopefully one day they ll be able to.
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Do you think they could handle it?
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They can t.
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No, they can t handle it.
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There ll be zero children.
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Talk about population control.
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That s biological.
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I don t think they can.
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I don t think our species would survive.
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Well, evolutionarily, they could.
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If we stopped having children, they would figure out a way.
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I mean, it would take a million years, but nothing s impossible with the human form and evolution.
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If something doesn t work one way, we have to figure out another way.
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So I wouldn t rule it out, but I bet men will become extinct before that happens.
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Just based on their recent contributions.
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Oh my God, you should sell that show to Netflix.
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I think they ll buy it in the room.
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Yeah, just observing men as an anthropological experiment.
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Because it does look like they re trying to be extinct.
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Men feel like they re trying to do it on purpose.
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No, but it s true, don t you think?
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No, I don t.
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I think they think they re great and that everything they do is great.
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Everything s perfect.
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I ll have to cut this because I m sure we have one or two male listeners and then we just lost them.
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That s okay.
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It takes a real man to understand the problem.
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Real men do understand that they re the problem.
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It s not every man that is a bad guy, but there s enough bad guys out there that as a collective, they should all be man enough to recognize that there s an issue.
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We ve talked a little bit about this, but part of my reluctance to be a mother and doing egg freezing has made me more inclined to want to do it.
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But one of the reasons is the idea of finding the right partner, that there are not a lot of men who feel like they could be up to the task or be good partners.
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So do you think if more men were good, more women would want to have babies with them?
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I don t think that s been stopping people.
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They re having babies with men that don t deserve to be having babies to begin with.
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That s been happening since the beginning of time.
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And it s going to keep happening now that women are prohibited from getting abortions in half the country.
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So, no, if men really want to step up, it would be to use protection.
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Stop having sex without condoms when you re not in a committed relationship with somebody.
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Nobody likes condoms, but it would be the decent thing to do in this time.
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And as far as women, I think women are always just going to have babies.
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It s a maternal thing.
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Yes.
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To circle back to what you guys were saying, you know, just because you don t become a mother doesn t mean you don t have a maternal instinct.
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Yes.
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I have a very maternal instinct, and it s just for other people.
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It s just not for my children.
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You are.
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You re such a giving, generous human.
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I mean, even the fact that you made this happen.
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You re so busy.
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You were on vacation.
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You have this and that.
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And I was like, I m going to ask Chelsea.
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I know she s really busy, but I also think she ll do it because she is a giver.
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You give so much time.
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And oh, we had a little wobble.
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I got a boner, you guys.
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I just got a little boner and it popped the top of the desk.
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I always talk about men and how inefficient they are.
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And then all these compliments.
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It was just like this perfect storm of eroticism.
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Oh my God.
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Oh my God.
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I love you.
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No, but it s really, really the truth.
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Dax has also said that before.
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There are some people in this industry who are just really generous and say yes and are there for everyone across the board.
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And you re definitely one of them.
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So we appreciate you.
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Thank you very much.
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That s so nice.
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Thank you, Monica.
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As an update, because I was on your show, it was so fun.
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I was so flattered.
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And I think it turned out great.
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I was really happy with it.
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Yeah, it was great.
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But we talk about this show.
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It was before we started the show.
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And I told Chelsea, I was like, oh, I m doing this podcast, this fertility podcast about to start it and freezing eggs.
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You know, I was supposed to get off birth control, but I didn t.
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And Chelsea was like, you definitely don t want to have kids if you won t even get off birth control for a couple of months.
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And I was like, that s
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True.
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I am very much a 50-50.
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I am not someone who s like, I m meant to have kids.
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I m more like you.
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I still have a lot to give this world regardless of whether or not it s a child.
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Yes, I would agree with that wholeheartedly.
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So we ll see.
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So how do you make that decision?
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Because I feel like I m 50-52, even though I feel like during this process I ve been more baby.
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We re also shot up with so many hormones.
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So many hormones.
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I can only imagine.
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It s been nuts.
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But yeah, what would you tell someone who is kind of on the fence about it?
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I would say, honestly, I think if you want to have a baby, it has to be all-consuming and it has to be the thing that you absolutely need to do.
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And if there s any question, then there s no question.
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All right, well, no babies.
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Okay, great.
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That s all.
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Just came here to drop some bombs, guys.
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Saved like $10,000 in therapy.
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I love it.
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Well, I love you.
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I m going to let you go because you re busy, busy, and we appreciate you so much.
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I appreciate you girls, too.
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Love you both.
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Thank you.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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OK, that was awesome.
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Love, Chelsea.
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Big thanks to her for chatting with us.
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We re at the end, folks.
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We only have a couple left.
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And we ll see you next week to get ready for our retrieval.