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Brendan Fraser.
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Brendan Fraser.
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I met him first during Dickie Roberts, the movie, and we asked him to come in and do a day or two and play himself and he did.
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That was nice.
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He was super cool and he s a huge star.
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He s always been a rep of being a cool dude.
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That was the height of his fame.
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He came over and did us a favor.
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We got to chat with him and there s so much going on with Brennan.
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Plus, just give some of the movies.
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When he was 23, I believe, he starred in Encino Man.
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That was probably one of the frozen cavemen.
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Broke through.
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Huge hit.
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So then he was just in the 90s, he was doing George s Jungle, Mummy Trilogies.
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He s had this incredible career.
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And then for different things we ll talk about, he sort of went away for a little while and then he came back.
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I saw him
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on the Showtime show, The Affair, and he was great in that, and I hadn t seen him in a while, and I go, damn, he s a great actor.
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And then recently, as everybody knows, he s done a movie called The Whale, in which he plays a 600-pound man.
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So there s sort of all things Brendan these days, and people are just really happy to see him back, such a likable guy.
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Yeah, it s nice to see everyone pulling for someone.
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Yeah.
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he doesn t really need pulling for, I don t think that s what he s asking for, but it s just nice to see someone that s a good dude, every career is up and down, and to still be killing it, and to know he s, all he probably knows he s good, it s just, it s the opportunities, that s for everybody, you just don t always get the opportunities.
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Oh yeah, totally, so he s back, and I think it was Lauren or Bernie that always said, the talent doesn t go away.
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So your career can go like this, but the talent doesn t go away.
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We re gonna ask him about standing ovations.
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They go to Cannes Film Festival, they got a 12-minute standing ovation.
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I go, do people feel dumb after a while?
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Do you ever use the bathroom in the middle of standing ovation?
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I ll be back in a sec.
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I d be texting with one hand, like, I mean, how long can you go like this?
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And you go like a bunch of seals.
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But we ll get into that because there s a six-minute one he had at Palm Springs and he had an eight-minute one.
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So first they stand, it s like 20 seconds.
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And then it s like that festival, here s about it.
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And then two years later, it s like longer than the movies.
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But the French love to do that, you know the French.
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We ll do a deep dive into that.
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We won t tell you about the whale, we ll talk to him about it, so you can wait for that.
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But what a movie, and here he is, Brendan Fraser.
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No one hates us, but we do all the time.
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So this is, you know, obviously new show business that we don t really even talk.
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We never had a plan.
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We just put the mic on and start talking to people connected to SNL in some way.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, so it s... SNL is the biggest blip on his whole resume.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sometimes it s the main thing.
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Look at our notes.
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Do you want to get any questions, first of all?
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You won t show me his notes.
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No, I won t, because mine are better than Dana s, but I ll... Oh, no, I... Oh.
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Do you have any questions of us?
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I was just asking Greg who your sponsors are because I m just interested in how podcasts work.
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This is new for me.
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A lot of HelloFresh.
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You know, a lot of companies that basically say, we ll do the work for you digitally.
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Like, you know, Zip Recruiter would be one of them.
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You know, like we ll help you hire people.
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Zodoc, we ll help you find a doctor.
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Oh yeah, that s true.
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That is a theme.
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Zach Doc, Zach Doc, Jack.
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Sorry, but they re going to love this part of the podcast.
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Draft King.
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What s our favorite?
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We don t have a favorite.
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Masterclass.
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No, it s good that they do it because.
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Which you should teach.
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Oh, you should teach a masterclass.
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In what?
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Brilliant acting, duh.
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We both saw the whale.
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I m still recovering.
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We both saw the whale.
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We both saw.
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I didn t see it all.
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I got to the part where you got out to the ocean and then I,
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I didn t see it.
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It clicked out?
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Oh shit.
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No, I m kidding.
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I saw it.
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I saw it and it kept cutting off because they give you 18 minutes to watch it.
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And so it gives you little bits.
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Mine was perfect.
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You know how screeners work?
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Yeah.
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I pressed a button I had on a beautiful laptop, stereo speakers, and I went downtown.
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And it was amazing.
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Well listen, if we re going to talk about the whale, I m going to say- We re going to save it for the- for people listening right now who want to hear about Brendan s thoughts about the whale, it s coming up soon.
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Okay, we can save that.
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Because I want to talk about it a lot.
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That s a teaser, I m learning.
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I m still shaken by it.
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Okay, we ll do a little SNL.
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Let s just ask him a couple quick questions.
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Because we have to fake like that s what this whole thing is about.
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Well, no, no, I want to talk about SNL as a part of his whole thing because I was fascinated as I did a deep dive is how you, I hadn t seen anybody do the broad comedies
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and then can do the offbeat, leading man, funny guy, like the mummy stuff, and back and forth.
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You re doing George of the Jungle, and then you re doing Gods and Monsters.
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It s like there s a pattern here.
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I had to have a theme, and I have a theme for every podcast.
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Yours is like the seeds of you being
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this renowned, brilliant actor, it s almost like you re just starting now, I would say.
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Because you set the seed for it by constantly dipping your toes into it between these franchises that is so iconic.
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Anyway, that s all I have to say.
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I ll be quiet.
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Okay, goodnight.
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Thanks, folks.
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I think his pattern is there s no pattern.
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How about that?
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Interesting.
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Because like, let s say someone like me who gets into comedy, you re lucky enough to just get comedies.
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And so if you are, let s say Encino Man was maybe one of the first things that sort of blew up for you.
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That was.
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Which is a comedy, you think that s all you would get offered or
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And people tell me, oh, you should do more movies like Uncut Gems.
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I m like, well, everyone should.
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I mean, that s just not how it works.
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Yeah, do the Academy Award winning level movies.
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Those are the good ones.
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Again?
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Yeah.
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But then you went to school ties from Encino Man.
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Yes.
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With Matt Damon.
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Correct.
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Correction.
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It was the other way around.
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School Ties was shot first.
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And then you went to Encina Man.
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Who were your agents?
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The release dates were flip-flopped.
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Wait, so you did this brilliant drama and then you went with this broad comedy or whatever you want to call it.
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A full-blown comedy.
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I had teen comedy genre that I don t know if it s really being done that way anymore.
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You know, kids go to high school, have a big discovery, throw a party.
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My sons who are basically 30, I ll just round them off, that you re so much a big part of their childhood and they miss just big funny comedies.
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that just exists to be funny?
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Maybe people are scared to step in it because you gotta dodge so many types of jokes, you know?
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That s really your domain and expertise.
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Yeah, and that s the hard part.
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They start pulling stuff and cutting stuff and you just lose something.
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Maybe those days are over forever, but it s just like anything, you re just like Madonna.
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You gotta figure out a different way to make
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A comedy that s still big and funny.
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I think they can come back.
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I think there s an appetite for it.
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Yeah, I think there s a huge appetite.
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Because it just releases all the cultural stuff that s going on and you just laugh, you know?
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So I had a question.
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You did school talks.
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We re not gonna let you talk.
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No, I m asking.
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He warned me.
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I d have to fight for my time.
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I warned him ahead of time.
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But we re slow now because we re shot out of a cannon because we just saw the movie.
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I was deeply napping in a full-on dream and he said, he s here.
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No, I m kidding.
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No, but I live close by.
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No, I said, get over here, prick.
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I said, who?
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He said, Brendan.
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So the school ties is sort of a heavy drama, right?
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So you get that.
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Now, is it because of some sort of feedback or buzz from that, that when you go for Encino Man, that helps that because you ve got one in the can that people like?
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Sometimes that s how it works.
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Chronologically, I went into Mayfair Encino Man before I got hired to do school ties.
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And I was reticent to do Encino Man because it was too kooky and I wanted to,
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You know step out as very serious actor straight out of college with my my BFA in my back pocket and a lot of aspiration and I
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I understood that the character is basically the new guy in town, which was something that they hadn t seen anyone bring in to the readings or the auditions before that they really wanted because he s, you know, he s a fish out of water.
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He s trying to fit in all that.
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But it was so broad and I didn t really know anything about film or comedy.
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And then School Ties came down the pike and I read for that.
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did nothing with it because it didn t go anywhere they were casting at driftnet to find their david as i learned um and then some a number of months later they came back to with a new um casting director who had me go in and read for sherry and they did a screen test and i thought when they said do you want to test i was thinking exams and something that s how green i was
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Um, got the job and that was great.
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I, I read with Matt Damon and, um, met a lot of the other guys who were already hired, was off to Boston and Massachusetts to shoot school ties and, um, was getting messages from, um, um, Encino man and it was George Saloom and Les Mayfield were quite driven to get me to come on board.
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And then partway through almost finishing School Ties, I was having a conversation with a really great guy who was called Keith Wester.
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He s not with us anymore.
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He was a soundboard mixer.
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And he had a great voice, and he was always mixing sound, but he
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He was reading he was on his own radio show in a way as he was really a charming guy and He was mentoring a lot of us and I was talking about, you know, what are you doing?
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And and I was conflicted very serious and this comedy thing They want me to do and they ve offered it to me and he said well, hang on, you know, there s This it s a drama and you ve got a comedy.
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It s not a bad thing to have you know, I
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As he said, he joked about it, a bird in the hand is worth two in the nest.
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Is that the idiom?
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Bush was near a head.
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I just realized my voice is so loud when I m screaming.
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I ll sit up.
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He s very quiet.
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Can I say something?
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I saw an electromagnetic visual thing around your mic.
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Maybe it s your charisma.
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I m sorry, there s a flash feature on my phone.
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It went swoosh.
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Well, Greg Holtzman.
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Quite annoying.
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I ll turn that off.
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I don t want to be that guy.
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I didn t want anyone to get electrocuted during our podcast.
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It s my own lighting feature.
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When I say something interesting.
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He s got a light that lights it up.
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This guy is charismatic.
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It s like there s a lightning.
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But by the way, you had to, when you read the script,
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for school ties, it was the first time you had to not have clothes on and act.
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I saw you had to have a fist fight with Matt Damon in a shower.
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When you read that in a script, are you like, okay, or I can t wait for that day.
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Well, you don t look forward to it, but I understood what the scene was about was exposing one another s prejudice and all this naked aggression.
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And so it kind of drives the point home, you know, and 17 year old boys fight.
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They get the locket and let s figure this out with our fists.
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It s interesting.
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I don t want to interject, but I like to interrupt David.
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These people throughout your life, anybody, could be parent, brother, friend, who ll say these casual things that kind of tilt you in one direction or another.
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We could all have stories about that.
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So this one guy said this thing to you, which made you, I m going to go do Encino Man.
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Or it tilted you that way.
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It helped me make up my decision because his point was, if you re new to the industry,
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Your calling card will be, I can do something dramatic.
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I can do it all.
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Comedy, tragedy.
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Which you don t get that chance a lot.
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So you have a chance before the one comes out.
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You re like, I can do the other one.
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And then now you can get hired for two different kinds of movies.
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That was the hope then.
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And by the way, Encino Man is a good movie you can do wrong.
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That, reading it, he was great at it.
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I remember seeing it back then.
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I think Pauly was in it with you.
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And Pauly was funny and crazy, but you were charming, he s good looking, but you re making a lot out of this that could have gone the wrong way.
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You know what I mean?
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It could have been so dumb, but it was a huge hit, and that was great, and it was fun.
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I remember watching it back in the day.
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And that kind of launched you.
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I remember my first audition was for a movie called, I wrote it down,
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It was one with like, oh, Dead Poets Society.
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Was that around the same?
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Prior to that.
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I remember.
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Yeah.
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It s like 89.
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88, 89.
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I was in college then.
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Yeah.
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What d you say about it?
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I just remember that film was coming out and it was being promoted and I was seeing a young Ethan Hawke and the cast on Oprah, I think it was, to do press for it.
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So it was prior to, and you did movie anything in life.
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Yeah, I did a couple auditions and didn t quite make the cut.
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But, so from George, I m not from Georgia Jungle, you have so many in here, goddamn.
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Yeah, there s so many.
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But I just want to interject this too, because is that you said that you re dramatic training, so you re doing some of these movies and you re just totally committed, like as a dramatic actor, essentially, when you re doing even Encino Man.
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You re not thinking comedy, you re just playing the truth of the scene?
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I don t know how to think comedy.
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I think I m the least funny person I know.
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I saw some pretty funny shit on SNL.
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It s a risk, calling comedy anyway, but my understanding here...
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approach is that if you think you re funny, you re not.
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And if you try to be funny for sure, you re not.
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So play it as a straight ahead reality, right?
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Yeah.
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And you know, on SNL, when the host would come in and sit down in that first Monday meeting and say, good news guys, I m funny.
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We all go, uh-oh.
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Oh, no.
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I know how to do it.
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I know all the rules of comedy.
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Christopher Walken said that.
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You say three things, and you go, oh, boy.
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I just made a joke.
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It wasn t Christopher Walken.
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No, he said the bears.
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I know how to be funny.
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He s great.
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But one gear that you did have also in these 90 comedies is that, and I find it really interesting, that you could make your face, like super leading man, handsome.
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and then you could go to a grin that would just go a certain way that made you kind of funny, or you could take the handsomeness and be the goofy leading man.
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It was really interesting to watch that, some of your stuff.
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Was that intentional or you were just thinking it?
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I m sure you weren t making a face, but you could actually had a chameleon aspect.
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Is that a chameleon?
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I think you shouldn t take yourself too seriously.
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Maybe it comes from that.
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I think if you re having fun internally, I do think with comedy it helps.
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It doesn t mean you re mugging, pushing, trying to be funny, but you re feeling a sense of fun.
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Likeable is half of the battle too.
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Anthony Hopkins, a Tony to me, told me once that he thought
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acting at the top level is a form of self-hypnosis.
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He would, as you probably have heard, he only reads the script 200 times.
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And he has a Polaroid in those days.
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I know you re a huge Polaroid camera person.
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He had a Polaroid picture of his character and they d yell, speed.
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He d put it up, look at it, put it on his face and go,
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What?
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And then put it in his pocket and then he was the guy.
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Are you sure?
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You re not making that up for me.
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No, it was Tony Hoppy.
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Oh, Tony.
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He would huff a Polaroid picture of himself and then play the character?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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He would look at it.
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Whatever works, man.
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We re rolling.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Whatever works.
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And he d breathe it.
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And he said, oh, I think it s sort of, I always do Robin Williams when I do Anthony Hopkins.
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They re both incredibly shy.
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His charisma is like this, you know?
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But this, you know, we ll go to the whale in a minute, but it s hard to act.
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A point I wanted to make about something else I learned, I got this from Lorne, was before I did the first monologue when I hosted SNL, that moment before, it wasn t broadcast, it would have been the rehearsal.
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Dress, yeah.
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Dress, thank you.
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He came out and he has a little chat with the host.
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I was told, you know, Lorne s going to have a word with you.
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All he said to me was, it s all about confidence.
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And he turned on his heel and we went to whatever, shoot it, went to air.
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That s what he told me.
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I mean, I didn t know if he was telling me, be confident or don t try and be funny, but essentially it s just about taking ownership of what you re doing and committing to it.
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I think that let me know a lot about pretty much everything else, about, you know, again, knowing you re there for a good reason, you re good at what you do, you like what you do, and if people don t laugh at what you re doing, then just move on to whatever s next.
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I felt when I watched the 97 monologue, you were very confident.
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But then when I watched 99, there was a whole other level of relaxation because you d already done it once before.
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Nothing defeats that.
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You went in and you found Tom Davis in the room.
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It s like Tom Davis was still living on the set.
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It was really, really funny.
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What about, when did Airheads come along?
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95?
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95.
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So, I was hearing you talk about that on some, you know.
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With Sandler.
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With Sandler.
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I didn t even put that together.
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I was like, oh, what s that?
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I was jealous.
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Whenever he s mentioned, I try to do that.
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Just under my roof.
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He s listening, trust me.
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So, oh, by the way, listen to this, Dan.
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So, it s, Adam was asking you, well, you guys are kind of bullshitting about Airheads, and then Adam goes,
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Oh, and Farley was on it, he was on for two weeks, he did a lot of night shoots, and it was probably the most fun I ve had on any set.
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I m sorry, were you in Grown Ups, Adam?
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Traitor.
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No, it was very traitorish, and you agree, I m glad you agree.
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And Grown Ups 2 also, he could have picked either one.
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But I remember Aarons and I was jealous.
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I think Bob Simons did that movie.
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I think he came along and he was shooting down.
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He was in New York, some of it.
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There was some inside stuff and I would come, maybe came to watch.
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I don t think I knew you, but I knew Adam Farley and Buscemi I just met.
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So that one kind of was a fun one too.
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It didn t do great, but another fun comedy one, right?
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It s come around.
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I do a lot of fan conventions now and people show up dressed like Chaz Darby and the characters, the posters design, they scream.
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If it s too loud, you re too old.
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They re flipping you off.
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Double barrel flip off.
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You just get them right back.
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I love you, bro.
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You know what?
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I think it s really fun when you get a movie that lives on because sometimes movies do well and you never hear from them again and then some sort of live on and it s good to have the ones that live on.
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I think it resurges because it s nostalgia now for a whole new generation.
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I did one called PCU and then people go, oh, PCU is great.
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I didn t love it, but I go, oh yeah, okay.
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Hey, listen, if there s people that,
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get into it and it s kind of timely again now, because it s politically correct and all that stuff.
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Some of my movies were buried in Nevada, in a mine.
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If you could have saved Clean Slate, you could have played that baby.
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They would test nuclear bombs and just do it because they wanted to blow that movie up.
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People still like Wayne s World, come on you guys.
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Yeah, Wayne s World.
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Come on.
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Let s talk about Superman, I just heard that, that can be a quick story.
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Superman, what was the era of Superman?
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Was that an audition or was that a meeting or how does that work?
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That would have been in the year 2002.
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It was on the Warner Brothers lot.
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They were looking for a new Superman and I think there were like five or six guys around town who were being juggled, their names juggled around.
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There was a test, same drill, come in.
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Yeah, I went in on the Warner Brother lot, put on the outfit.
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No, first I went into an office somewhere, Wilshire Corridor, and they locked me in a room with a script that was printed on crimson paper with black ink.
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Could hardly read it, but you know, you also can t photocopy it either by stealing it.
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And I could read it and give it back to them.
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For a Superman movie.
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Yeah, I could know the story.
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Okay.
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So was it since Christopher Reeve?
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This is like the first Superman back.
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Oh, no, it would be way later than that.
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I think Reeves might have done the third one in the 80s.
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Brandon Ruth played the part.
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That s who ultimately got your part.
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Correct.
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Well, it s his, but I mean, I was an aspirant for sure.
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And yeah, there was a screen test.
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How did you talk as Superman?
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I mean, did you kind of lower your, you have a pretty deep voice, but did you, I didn t want to put quotation marks around anything and I didn t pretend to be Superman.
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I tried to, you know, get back in, think of it, the script that was written was like,
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It was like heightened text.
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It was like, you know, head of Gabler or, you know, like big stuff that you would have done.
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I am a pentameter Shakespeare and all classic texts.
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And so I gave that kind of approach of just taking everything seriously and playing big objectives and, you know, and just trying to approach the piece as if it was a giant opera in space, you know?
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Did you have any lines like, Lex Luthor, you re an idiot.
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You son of a bitch.
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Close, close.
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Tizer was his name.
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I was bellowing, Tizer.
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I ll kill you, Tizer.
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I would ve done it in super Encino, man.
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Dude, I would ve loved that.
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Tizer!
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Change your name, bitch!
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Was Zod in one of those, or am I crazy?
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Zod, I love Zod.
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There s a woman and a man with black hair and they came down there going, bzzz, bzzz.
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The three that got in the painted glass, that was the original.
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I love that one.
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That one was brilliant.
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Yes.
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The first Christopher Reeves.
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With the glass prism floating around.
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Yeah, in 79.
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And the planet explodes.
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It wasn t Brando.
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Brando was in that.
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He was amazing.
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Zod, maybe I read for Zod.
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And that other story, Brando is Trump.
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He is a little bit.
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He s Regis, get out of here.
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And he s a little bit of Brando.
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There we are.
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There s no one finer than...
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Brendan frasier anyway i just have to tell him i m just a little punchy right now i m sure you re more punchy than me no no no he s beat up your giddy from the whale, but we re not talking that just yet i want to tell about his big break in dickie roberts now yes dickie dickie roberts.
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where everyone was saying a Brendan Frazier.
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It s like razor Frazier, right?
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Razor Frazier.
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Do you shave with a razor or do you shave with a?
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Oh, Frazier.
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Do you shave with a razor?
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Razor.
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Or do you shave with a Frazier?
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The chameleon voice guy, got it, yes!
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It takes direction.
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No, Brendan Fraser just gave me an acting note.
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It was a great note.
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He d be a good acting teacher.
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Yes.
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I want you to direct me.
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We ll talk later.
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You can afford me.
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Don t quit trying to get off Dickie Roberts.
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Dickie Roberts is a tsunami.
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Give us a quick synopsis.
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So what happened is I was wondering, because I didn t know Brendan and he was nice enough to come in and do something in it, but I think it was through Sam, the director of George s.
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Sam Weissman.
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So, the backstory on that was, just to bore the fucking shit out of you, is Dickie Roberts was pitched, we pitched it, me and Fred wrote it, and we said, oh, it s a child star, which is sort of, to this day, a theme of child stars kind of hit the skid, you know what I mean?
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They have a lot of trouble, and it s very real, and it s sad, and it s...
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No one s quite figured out how to fix it.
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But that movie was PG-13.
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Two funny things.
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One, when we finished writing it, a pretty big director, God, I can t remember who it was, said, I d love to do it.
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I ll keep the first act, but we have to go very dark after that and make it R-rated and make it the way that it really is.
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And I said, no, it can t be super dark.
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I mean, Paramount s not gonna do that.
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So we handed it in.
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By the way, when I handed it in, this is a classic showbiz story.
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So they read it at Paramount, and then I get word through back channels, they like it a lot, and they wanna give it to Jim Carrey now.
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You understand that this could happen at any time.
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This is a classic behind the scenes.
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And so people were trying to keep that away from me going, the good news is they love it, but they think Jim could take it like crazy, because he was the biggest guy right then.
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They ll give him $20 million.
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And they talked to Adam Sandler, and Sandler was the producer of it.
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And so he said, I don t know, ask Spade, but I think Spade, because he co-wrote it, would rather be in it.
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But then John Goldwyn, I think it was John Goldwyn, who s under Sherry, you mentioned Sherry Lansing, I think you mentioned her about school ties.
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So he called me and said,
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you might ve heard some rumors.
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It was so weird.
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And he said, I apologize.
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We re moving forward the way it is.
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And I said, you know, John, I get how business works.
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Take me out of it.
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If you could have Jim Carrey, I get it.
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It s really not personal.
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I m trying not to take it that way.
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And he said, no, we re moving forward.
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and let s do it.
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And so that was such a wake-up call.
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Those conversations happen every day.
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And you just don t know it.
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I shouldn t have known it, but I found out.
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He said, you still want to do it?
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I said, yeah.
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So we did it.
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Brendan was very nice, came in and- What did you do?
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Dickie Roberts.
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I was playing myself.
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Yeah, he s playing himself.
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Oh, you did Celebrity Candy.
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I was proving that I think I know celebrities.
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Because I grew up and I was wearing gloves and I was crazy.
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But you know, that child star thing could go.
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There s really dark because they re kids and they get involved in all these crazy adults.
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And then there s the drinking.
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So we sort of did a skim job.
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of making it, but it was fun.
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We brought in a lot of child stars to do it.
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And then at the very end, you know, some of them aren t with us anymore, but it was, it was very interesting to talk to them upfront just and hear some of their real stories, but we can talk about Brendan s movies again.
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All right.
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Would you, do you have any more things you want to share about Saturday Night Live before we move on?
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I loved it.
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It was a proving ground and I earned a stripe at the same time, by the way, I felt like I had, it s a milestone, absolute milestone.
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You feel like, I think if I was just out there doing a show or doing a movie.
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And it s one of those things, like the cover of Rolling Stone or something, where they go, they want you to host it.
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It has to hit you.
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It s just a big deal.
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Oh, it s not insubstantial at all.
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And when you host that show, you own New York for an hour or so in a feeling that you get.
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Oh, it s the coolest thing to host that show.
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You feel like you re a part of the city in a meaningful way that I wasn t anticipating.
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The whole city.
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Everyone s trying to help you.
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Everyone s there to make sure you re okay that week.
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That and I think it s about changing clothes.
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It s mostly about changing clothes fast.
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Quickly, running around in bleachers, not trying to bump your head into the overhead thing.
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Basically naked.
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You would be in danger of that at your height.
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Kneeling used to bang his head off.
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Clocking stuff.
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Okay, there you go.
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They even put bumpers on it.
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Oh yeah, they have bumpers.
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Little tennis balls.
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Because you re sprinting sometimes across the studio in the dark.
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Naked.
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Essentially naked.
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Underneath the seats of everyone watching, so there s all these asses above you.
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Crew guys are walking by, they ve got me stripped naked, this guy walks by with a cigarette going, Spade, I thought you were gonna start working out.
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I go, hey, get out of here, you re not supposed to look.
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I would just close my eyes, I was so humiliated.
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I just had a little underwear on, I was completely bare-chested, everything, they re combing my hair, they re picking at me, and I just closed my eyes, and this can t be happening.
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I wear two Speedos in case my main one breaks.
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I wore a hooter clamp.
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You know the hooter clamp?
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It s a thing that keeps everything in place.
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It s called a hooter clamp.
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It s a dance belt, Dana!
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Well, no, that s a joke.
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My brothers and I had that as a running gag when we were kids.
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I have three older brothers.
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Is that one of our sponsors?
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We joked about the hooter clamp.
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There s also you can put a truckers buddy in there where you can pee during this show That s real.
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We don t okay.
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No, I older brothers.
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Well, so oh, oh wait
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and SNL so 97 I had gone I know you probably look for you for about a half hour I had gone by then and then it was Will Ferrell I think was there yes so what was your cast it was sort of Will maybe Molly, Sherry, Colin Quinn, Will Ferrell, Tim Meadows you were in a really funny sketch with Sherry Otero and Chris Kattan where they went crazy in the gym like what you want we re
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You know, that aggressive, sexual dude.
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The most committed sketch players ever, probably.
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And you were right in there, you know, at the end.
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Come on, you guys.
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And every time you d play along with them, they d start screaming at you.
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It was really funny.
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You re like, these people are sexual perverts.
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I m the trainer.
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Okay, I ll go with it.
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Would you want that?
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You want that?
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And then Chris Kattan would go nuts on you.
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Very funny.
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It s fun to be in that insane world of like sketch and then you the second you re like Taking a bow in your head going we got through it.
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Here s the crowd is live and they re ripping you going again You re the UPS guy in this one.
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You have Russian accent.
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Oh shit.
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There s another one You re looking like it s for even worse.
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If there s a sketch you fell in love with I
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one got cut between dress and air it s heartbreaking were you on the first delicious dish that s where the not the first one I was on it though but it didn t the applause the beginning I felt like it was new when you were on it or maybe it was the second
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I wouldn t know what to compare it to, but I think Peach Shreddy and Peach Shreddy s balls was already... Shreddy balls.
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He was coming on with a little beard and glasses and playing sort of this quiet nerd playing very small about squash or something like that.
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That was me.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And what were their... The scary thing is giving notes to someone like a host.
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Good times.
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Good times.
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Was that it?
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Good times.
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Yeah.
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Good times.
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Read this a little harder.
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Because writers get to be directors on SNL.
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I had a hard time understanding that concept.
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I m like, who s the director?
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Who s the director?
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And someone actually pulled me aside.
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The writers are the director.
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You are the director.
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Dude, I wrote my first sketch.
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They go, go in the booth and watch it.
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I go, what does that mean?
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I m the director of it?
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I don t know what the fuck s going on.
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The great thing there was, it s, you know, when William Shatner came on, he was so loose, like during the dress show or whatever.
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He seemed like, he goes, well, why would I care?
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You know, because we re so under rehearsed.
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Like it s ridiculous.
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There s cue cards.
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He wasn t even stressed.
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I can t believe people take it seriously.
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You can t rehearse.
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So it is just, I loved it personally, because I can get up in my head.
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I love that it was so fast.
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Yeah.
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Okay, let s just go.
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Less time to think about it.
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No time to think.
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Just go, go, go.
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I m jumping ahead to the mummy.
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Now the mummy, in England it s called the mummy.
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I ll see your mummy and raise you the whale.
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No, we re getting to the whale, that s the big ending.
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The whale is the big kahuna.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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But The Mummy, I liked it because- Easy, Ahab.
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Say it again?
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Easy, Ahab, you know, hunting for the whale.
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Sorry, I interrupted you.
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The Mummy is a giant franchise.
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Three huge movies that Brendan starred in, in the knots.
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Correct.
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Yes.
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Now, what was your biggest pain?
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No, let me see.
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Oh yeah, tell us about money.
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You make a lot of money.
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You don t have to tell us how much money you got paid.
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I don t even honestly recall to tell you the truth because most of it s gone now.
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I know the feeling.
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You know, one day you re flushed and the next day Bertie comes and takes it all away.
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Do you remember making a million dollars?
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My first million, I remember.
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This is a really good conversation.
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First million.
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But what do you net?
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That s the thing, is it a million in the bank?
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People don t understand.
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What s the check shock on this one?
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I remember my first paycheck and it was for $17,000 on a pilot I did.
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What the net?
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I went and picked up my check from the agency and said $9,000 and I went to their accounting department, this is a mistake here.
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And they pulled me aside, and they re like, no kid, you gotta pay taxes, you gotta pay a commission.
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I had the same thing.
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I had no radius.
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You re out.
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I mean, if you get a million, you probably make, and this sounds crazy to people, because a million is so much, but when you walk with 375,000, you go.
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You round down to 25 cents on the dollar.
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You get used to the gross figure and your friends hear the gross figure.
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I drove to an agency once with my wife and I think it was a $30,000 check for a pilot and we re like, we re rich.
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It s over, babe.
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We went in and it was like $1,300, you know.
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I tried to give her a hug.
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She pushed me off.
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Get off me.
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You said you were rich.
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Just kidding, honey.
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I got it at some point and I was so excited about it.
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And okay, and my question about the Mummy were, it was early in CGI kind of?
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Yeah, well it was the tip of the spirit ILM with John Burton running it.
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Oh ILM, okay.
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And they had done a lot of stuff with
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I want to say like Terminator.
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I thought it was a big one.
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Like the creature from... Alien?
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It was Jim Cameron s water movie.
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Oh, I remember that.
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The Abyss?
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The Abyss, yeah.
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I got it!
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That was pretty good, David.
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That was good, dude.
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Because I know a guy who was in it, Todd something.
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Yeah, anyway.
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But it was a big gamble because, first of all, nobody had any idea what the movie was gonna look like.
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Is it a comedy in a way?
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Because everybody s comparing it to Abbie and Costello, and it s a throwback, the Mummy, blah, blah, blah.
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Was it a horror film?
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Was it a- Was it Indiana Jones?
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Was it an adventure film?
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Was it a romance?
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Was it a- And it was all- It was like a genre.
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Exactly.
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It was a beginning.
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It hit him on all counts like- Like a Marvel movie today.
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Rachel Weisz.
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Was Rachel Weisz the girl?
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That hits on all those frequencies.
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Correct.
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The girl, and it was great with him.
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John Hanna.
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Oh yeah, see?
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Oh yeah, he was your guide or something.
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He was her brother, my brother-in-law, my ne er-do-well brother-in-law.
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They call them popcorn movies today, right?
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Just fun.
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Was it fun to do?
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Absolutely.
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A little bit scary.
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A little bit romantic.
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But it s thrill ride funny.
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Like, I want to do it again.
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Yeah, do you get hurt ever not on that one just my feelings How are you with reading reviews throughout your career did you get the iron Ding by it or I m terribly sensitive if anything says anything slightly negative early on it was you want to
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Slap me in my bulbous face says some writer in Portland, Oregon.
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I thought I was fighting words I m gonna come find you brought but it s hard to not take stuff like that personally.
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Yeah, but I would always feel like um, I Would root around and look for the good ones, but I didn t know if they held any currency Yeah, I get hurt by Instagram comments.
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I m very social media.
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Are you crazy?
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Yeah painful indeed is vindictive speech is a theme of the whale and
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Say that again painful indeed is vindictive speech.
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I saw that on a plaque outside of a temple in Thailand years ago in front of a giant golden recluse Well earlier in your career if you get something negative it can affect your career and you know it and then later When you ve gone through some stuff, it s a little if you re if you feel a little more resilient
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you know you can withstand the storm.
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But if early on you do something and people are negative or rotten tomatoes or all that shit, it s such a wispy career where it could just wind blow away from you and you re like, wait, I m a big deal.
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I think it s worse when you ve had some success and then you get dinged and they use that success to juxtapose how you re not successful anymore.
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I ve had my trails with that.
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But then you kind of go back to,
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You know, Tom Hanks said there s no crying in baseball.
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There s no being bitter in show business, because the entire thing is designed to make you bitter.
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Mickey Rooney was the most bitter man I ve ever met.
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I was the number one star in the world.
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You hear me?
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Bang.
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The world, you know.
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So I knew early on, okay, everything about showbiz is designed to make you feel bitter, so I m going to choose either to pretend or just remember that we re privileged that we get paid a dollar to do this.
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That s the rub.
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It s like, they re paying me to do this?
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That s how I felt early on, because I would be doing this anyway, even if you didn t, because I didn t know what else to do.
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Tony Randall told me that.
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Did he?
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We get paid to do this.
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And he was like 85 at the time.
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Never lost the wonder in all of that.
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That s why I like people who do regular jobs, because I go, we need them.
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I can t do it.
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I can t do Jack s shit.
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Agreed.
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And I appreciate it.
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I was a busboy, got fired three times.
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But in The Mummy, you re a fighter.
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First of all, The Mummy looked fun, like you said it was.
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Fun.
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But doing stunts, you must have had to do some in The Mummy.
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And then you said you got hurt.
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I got choked out pretty good on day two or three.
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There was a hanging sequence.
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Hanging?
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From the neck.
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No, I m out.
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Well, didn t they have you in a harness?
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You know, they didn t because- They were trying to get the shot before lunch.
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That s what happens when people hate you like that.
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Wait a minute, he was seen and you blacked out?
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Did they fire the stunt coordinator?
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No, he was too important.
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Plus, I could still be replaced.
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It was early on in the schedule.
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So, you know, we were running around going, we still have jobs.
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We do.
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But, you know, we could be replaced.
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Hannah was like that all the time.
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Like, oh, no, I can t believe it.
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Don t tell them they ll send me back to high school.
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I don t know what I m doing.
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Oh, I still got a job.
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They can t fire me now.
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Fuck it.
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Let s do this So I just channel you can t you can t it s hard to complain on the set.
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You don t be a complainer.
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I got choked out Because the rope was on my neck Stephen said hey, it s a medium shot It doesn t look like you re hanging because they already shot the wide of the stuntman in the harness and he went bang.
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It looked great You only need a moment and then they go in on a coverage of Rick Choking choking did one shot came in you said him like it doesn t really look like you re you know
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dying can you really like dial it up and All right.
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I didn t like what was happening.
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Anyway, so we went for another take and I remember watching Camera was on tripod came around.
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There s the guy screaming off-camera and I remember looking I could see the matte box and I thought okay I m really gonna sell the hell out of this and I made up what would really make me look like I m choking like I d been asked so I huffed air really hard and started hyperventilating held my breath so I thought I won t get really big red veins popping out of my eyeballs and all that and
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That s the stupidest thing you could do if you re right And the guy holding the rope above me on the scaffolding was the stunt man And he brought up the tension and I was on my own feet my toes and I had nowhere to go unless I was a ballerina and I I don t all I remember seeing is the matte box come around and then it was like I
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Mew.
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Went black.
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Wow.
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An iris closed.
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Like someone turned the dial down.
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Wow.
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Like, mew.
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And the next thing I knew, there was a British voice going, Brendan.
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Brendan.
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And there was dirt in my ear and in my teeth.
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And it felt like my elbow was behind my head.
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And the world was sideways.
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I didn t understand it.
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And my shin really hurt.
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And everyone was quiet as a drop of pin.
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Forget it.
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They were screaming their heads off.
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moments earlier, what just happened?
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And it kind of dawned on me that these guys are medics.
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They re trying to wake me up.
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Everyone s looking at me.
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It was, while it didn t hurt per se, it frightened me more than anything else.
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And I didn t like having that feeling of, you know, being the fallen team player when it happens in hockey or football or something, everyone gets quiet.
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And I kind of had this emotional reaction, like I did something wrong or I didn t know.
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And Simon Atherton, I outed you, runs over to me and he goes, all right man, cool.
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You re in the club, same thing happened to Mel Gibson on Braveheart.
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I m like, I want to go home.
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Wow, initial here, press hard four copies, we won t sue.
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Oh, I passed that test.
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He was a great stunt guy.
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He went on and he did a lot of really good stuff.
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I ve never heard of someone having that experience.
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Well, apparently Mel Gibson did on Braveheart.
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You said, let s do it again.
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That s my bad, Mel Gibson.
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That was Mel Gibson?
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Australian accents are difficult.
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That was Keith Urban.
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Okay now I just want to touch on, we re making our way toward the whale.
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Yeah we are.
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Which is great.
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I just want to, my wife and I were watching The Affair on Showtime.
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Oh yeah.
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Which I think is a really really great show and then you come on for season three.
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Yes.
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And it s a precursor to your skill at the whale or whatever you ve done throughout your career because you must have got a lot of
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heat for that character.
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Gunther, this damaged, sadistic prison guard, and all of a sudden there s Brendan doing his thing.
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So it really stood out for me.
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That s Brendan Fraser.
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I mean, he s killing it.
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So did you get that feeling from that part?
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The conceit for that was that he was a doppelganger.
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He was the bookending character and it s straight lifted straight out of creepy German fairy tale lore.
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The doppelganger is your other half, doesn t necessarily have to be your twin other half,
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looks like you and is there to teach the protagonist something about themselves.
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And they re doing it through the use of violence.
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So that was Gunther.
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And that s evidenced in the Rashomon story quality of what really happened from different perspectives that the affair was structured on.
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When you would pick up little clues of, all right, Noah s car got bashed into by Gunther who was trying to chase him down.
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He saw him in the rear view mirror.
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But he pulls over and he thought it was a vision, but the camera pulls back and there s no damage on the bumper.
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So did it really happen or not?
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And then by story s end, he gets out of jail and confronts him in his own home.
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And it turns out the guy may have just been a well-meaning social worker all along.
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He worked in a jail and wanted to make sure that the inmates had a structured plan when or if they got out.
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And he was confronted by him on his own front lawn.
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And you should be left wondering, did that really happen that way?
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And I think that was the perfection of that show.
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Because they did that in so many ways from retelling a story from different characters perspectives.
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Yeah, her point of view, his point of view.
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But it s interesting to me, not being any kind of sort of dramatically trained actor, is that you do all this stuff
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prep work in your head, and then you just stand there as Gunther, and we as viewers just know a lot s going on.
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You re gone, and this guy s got tons of shit going on.
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So it s just fun to watch.
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Thank you.
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It s interesting to pick different places to show up to, like in The Affair, which is a hit show.
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he s in there just well that s why you never went away there s always these you re showing up and really kind of high quality stuff throughout the what do you call it the post knots not 20 20 12
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I did take a step back to slow down.
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My life had taken a different path at that point too.
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I had had kids, I d moved across the country.
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There was some legal action in my life, personally speaking, and that, for better or worse, it s something you must contend with and it takes your focus away from what your aspirations professionally are.
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But he d go mad if he didn t have a job, right?
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So I always had something to do, whether it was with the affair or some other project.
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And also, I don t know if I could have maintained the level of expected success that I had had up until that point, because you fall out of favor if your film doesn t reach, I don t know, a magical number or something like that.
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And you don t know what the rules are.
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You don t know if you ve been fired or you just won t be rehired.
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So you got to take it in control of yourself.
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Being someone who had a botched bypass and had career difficulties, you know, so I just wonder how you process that period of not needing to go into it personally, but it s sort of on record that you had troubles and various things, same with other people.
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How do you, does it, how does it affect you now?
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You look back at, Hey Brent, you know, were you proud of you were courageous?
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You made the right choice.
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I m glad for everything that happened the way that it did because I couldn t be the individual who
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I am now without having gone through the paces that way before.
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If this kind of acknowledgement that I m seeing or receiving right now had happened 20 years ago, I wouldn t have been able to, I wouldn t have had the emotional man tool belt of psyche to deal with it.
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I do now because I have a context.
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I know why I do this.
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It s because I ve got kids now.
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And that just chemically changes everything that you, every choice you make.
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It gives it a, oh, that s the reason why.
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The rest of it was just about desperation and fun and trying to stay with a- I think that s where I m at.
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Desperation and fun or staying with the trend.
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That s the title of his Showtime special.
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Took Brandon to find a good title for me.
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I go, that s it.
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That s it.
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So yeah, it s sort of like your own mortality or, you know, knowing, putting your kids first in your brain all the time.
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And for me, when I had to, yeah, well, I was like, Oh, you can really check out of here at any time, you know?
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So I was like, Oh, please, can I get to 60?
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because my son was- Oh, you mean you can check out meaning you were a hard tech?
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Yeah, because my issues were at 42.
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I m perfect now, never had a hard tech.
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That s all, it s in my book.
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I recall, Dana, and you look fantastic.
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You look really healthy.
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You look hot.
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Thank you.
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I know.
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Anyway, but I was curious about that, and that makes total sense.
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And so you re back at the table in a way, and you re saying,
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it makes sense, all this emotionality you went through and this whole trajectory, you re able actually to grasp it.
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Because I got an Emmy once and Bob Hope handed it to me, and I wasn t really there.
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Just you had an out-of-body experience with it?
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Out-of-body, but I couldn t really... Me, an Emmy?
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I m just from Carlin High School.
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And you re like, am I the good guy that s supposed to get an Emmy right now when I look at everyone so great?
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Yeah, that s a weird feeling.
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When I was on the cover of Rolling Stone, I felt nothing.
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I just like, I didn t... I couldn t grasp it.
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I m just saying that you... Can you talk about that a little more?
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Because it kind of happened to me a little bit last night.
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Oh, yeah, the critic s choice.
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Well, you and I were, you know, kind of, no.
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Yeah, well, can I say one thing about that thing on Vince again?
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Just by accident?
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Because he was kind of doing TV movies, you know, and then he read the script, this was like very fast, Hannibal Lecter or whatever, Science of the Lambs, and he put it down after five pages, he said, I didn t want to read any more because I might not get the part, because it was so perfect.
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Wow.
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And he thought, he would think to himself, what would it be like to be in a big Hollywood film?
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Oh my, that must be amazing.
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So he does Hannibal Lecter, wins the Oscar, he s in Times Square, he looks up, Silence of the Lambs, Anthony Hopkins lying around the block, and he says, and I felt nothing.
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It s hard, you re out of body in a way, all these awards you re getting and 10 minutes in innovations, I would find it to grasp it.
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You feel like you re in a fever dream or something?
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Sometimes, but that s just my own insecurity coming to take over me and the best advice I m getting from friends and family and all that is just stay in your own boats, just take the moment in.
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And I know that has value because I couldn t appreciate that stuff earlier on, I can now.
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Well, I think that for all of us, because I ll cry in my car sometimes, just like for a minute, when just things overwhelm you, and David is there usually at the same time.
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So when you re that raw with people, and it s so authentic, I know that s such a cliche word now,
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It touches all of us, because we re feeling the weight of it.
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You can t watch your acceptance speech, and I couldn t.
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By the end of the whale, too, it was just so overwhelming.
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So whatever you went through maybe informed you to bring us these gifts.
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It has to have had value or gotten into your body.
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And the whale was shot during time of COVID also.
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So, and there s this, you know, tiny set two bedroom apartment.
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We rehearsed on a soundstage with a taped out floor for one-to-one model.
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So, we really knew our jobs pretty well.
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Is it a one-to-one model?
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So, it s like exactly taped off what the set s going to be.
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Yeah, like you would rehearse a play, for instance.
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Darren wouldn t even let us cross the tape.
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We had to use the entrance, the taped out entrance.
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Like there s a wall there.
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Yeah.
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You would walk into the wall, don t cross the tape.
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Darren Aronski.
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Darren Aronski.
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Him too.
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I m not good.
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I went to state school.
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We re from Montana.
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We don t put two and two together too easily.
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I m going to go back and say Brendan Fraser s here.
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I always thought, just to touch on what you just said,
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it would be harder to me, I think, if you were on Friends.
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It s like a show like that.
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The first thing out of the gate is so huge.
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And you don t realize, it might not be like that anymore.
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How do you follow that?
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And how do you follow, it must screw with your head.
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And when you get like one line in something, and then you get this, and you sort of go up and have,
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everyone has career ups and downs, that you do appreciate when it s going good, because you go, it can go away.
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You didn t know before, but now you go.
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I still feel like someone s gonna walk in the door and accuse me of fraud, basically, and I have imposter syndrome.
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I should be feeling something.
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I guess it s normal.
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Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda said, well, that s it.
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Every movie.
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They haven t found me out yet.
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Yeah.
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Dana s fraud insurance.
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And I won t even do the impression.
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I guess we re right on schedule then, guys.
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Now listen, people don t know this, the whale got a 12 week standing ovation.
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By the way, I will say it s funny when I hear like a three-minute standing ovation, then six, and so I go, what are these people doing?
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Do they bring a lunch?
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Because they re clapping going, are you sitting down?
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Because I loved it, but I have to go to the ballet now.
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Like, it s then it s 15.
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You ve got to pace yourself to do a lot of work.
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I know.
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And Carton is watching going, are you done?
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I get it.
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You liked it.
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Now my feet are hurting.
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I was trying to leave the theater and I thought we were almost at the doors in Venice and Darren s like, no, get back, take a bow.
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I m like, really?
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All right, fine.
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So I did, I took a bow.
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It wasn t, but what you don t see is I was looking at 1200 people and they re all crying and they re Italian and stuff.
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doing this side you can t not so was that a moment i was just curious about this when i see that like you you do the movie so everyone s starting to get you hyped up i gotta admit tay you re you re awesome at this right it s starting to happen but then when you show it to an audience and you get that kind of response
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then okay, it s as great as people are telling me.
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And so that, see why that would be a Waterworks moment, maybe even more than- Cause it s proof, they actually like it.
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It s not just some agent or somebody telling you that it s good.
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You re great at it.
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Are you having a sense memory right now?
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I was just, um, no, no.
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Yeah.
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Cause that, no, wait, I am now.
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Now.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Because it feels like that would be the first, what was the first one that you showed it to where you were with the audience and they just, okay.
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1200 seat theater.
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I don t have the number of seats, but there were many, many, many.
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And you have no idea how it s going to go.
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I know that I ve seen it.
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I know that after you finish watching this film, the credits roll and people are still rooted to the spot.
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And I don t say that in the same kind of like blown smoke kind of way agents go, well, I loved it, man.
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I m good at that.
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This one s legit.
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I was the whole time just riveting.
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I felt like I needed to reconnect a few sockets and cables after I said, I m in the thing.
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It s not, it doesn t let up.
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Your daughter is wonderful.
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Sadie Sink.
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Sadie Sink is tremendous.
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From Stranger Things.
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You and Liz together is, that energy is magic.
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The two of you.
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She came in coming in hot and she did not let up.
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She was tough too.
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She was tough to hold.
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The estranged daughter.
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She s, first thing, Sadie is a genuine article.
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I watch this kid winning the game ball every single day at a front row seat.
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Her talent presages her years.
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I m like, where d you come from?
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And she is, as Darren describes her, she s like a jewel.
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You look at it one way, it s interesting and new and beautiful and all that.
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There s something, a new facet.
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And she was just consistent, a stone cold professional in her approach.
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Just always gold star performance.
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I could say nice things for the rest of her time here.
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But Sadie is also a young woman who has
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a big family.
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Her father is a football coach.
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He s got a handshake on him, like gripping a handful of channel lock pliers.
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Like, are you a stonemason?
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Ouch.
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And it s just him introducing himself.
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So she comes from a real strong family.
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And she has this gift.
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It has to be.
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Her approach to playing this part was,
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And I saw it, she never went in for the trope of an angsty teenager.
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She understood that this girl is talented as a character, but doesn t know it yet.
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She has a lot of understandable rage that comes from her heart.
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Charlie did something that really, really wounded this kid.
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And he didn t have to pay the bill on it until
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confronts him and life doesn t match the movie.
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You invited the bill being paid.
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Exactly.
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So she comes back and she s demanding to get what she needs.
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Sadie s focus on that was never to crack, never to crack, never to crack until the moment
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when the spell gets broken in a way, when he finally crests his man, kill him in Jaro of making his apology to her and come see the film.
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But you know, that s, that s the moment.
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Just thinking about that part, because first of all, I ll watch you from different eyes.
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My dad left when I was four and my brothers were six and eight.
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So, and he didn t come around and then he came back later and he wanted to, he didn t really want to make up.
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He just came around.
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And so I was the one sort of pushing the reconciliation, you know, just cause you don t have your dad.
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And so there was themes in that movie that hit me in different ways.
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And also just the fact that it is just a very well crafted, well,
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and the woman that takes care of you, Liz, I think is her name.
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Hong Chao.
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Hong Chao, yeah, she was magic as well.
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In movies that are brilliant, that are great, and I give it up to the writer, director, and all the performers.
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Samuel D. Hunter.
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You can t imagine anyone else playing any other part.
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No.
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A great movie, that s always the sound of it.
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No one else could have done what you did.
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She, Hong, I believe that character should have its own movie.
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I want to know who Liz was at work in her other life.
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She was such a likable character.
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And there s more that Hong can say in between the lines in the pauses and the silences than any of the dialogue she s speaking just by her face and how she drinks in who she s speaking to almost as if like she s listening with her pores or something.
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Well, there s parts in there and you can always tell us to cut something out if it feels like it s too much.
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But remember the part, Dana, where she s talking about her truck and it s such a,
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curveball, like you re getting it from all sides and it s just like, oh my God, what a fucking mess.
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Ah, that was tough to take, all that.
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So listen, it got me.
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I kept starting and stopping it because I had to like gather myself.
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Brendan, I m a comedic performer.
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I was doing sold out shows, other people s words, in big theaters.
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And it was hard to regain the funny bone.
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But like you, very talented,
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And I got through it.
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Dana?
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I just want to ask, because I m fascinated how great movies get made.
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I remember asking Joe Pesci once, do you know when it s great?
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How do you do it?
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What did he answer?
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He goes,
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Hey, you just, you lock in.
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That s how you do it.
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You just fucking lock in, you know.
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He said something once that I knew he d done.
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He goes, sometimes some guys don t want to fight.
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You know what I say?
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Shiggle bowl across the nose.
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And you could tell he d done that move.
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He s only, he s not a big guy, but it doesn t matter.
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But he says you lock in.
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So for me,
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When you re shooting the whale, how does Darren approach that?
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So he s got these diamond gems, you re in your thing, you re this big giant person and you re just so locked in.
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Does he do you a lot of takes?
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Do you ask for more takes?
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He likes to shoot a lot of takes.
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And that s okay with you?
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Look, we re all there once anyway, you know, we knew, like I said, we knew our jobs from the rehearsal process.
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You made your discoveries and your bonding, made your mistakes before you walk up.
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And so you re just a bunch of actors showing up going, Oh, no, it d be really cool.
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And looking at the sides every morning.
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No, we knew how to play the music.
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Yes, precisely.
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And for that,
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Each take, because it s a tiny set, it s a two bedroom apartment, we re like a submarine crew on top of each other.
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And because of just the exigencies of playing that character, and I m wearing a great deal of makeup and apparatus and costuming and harnessing.
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I, you know, whether it was a man whose body is big like Charlie s, or if I was in an alien costume or something, they re really kind of the same approach.
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It s suit performing, you know?
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And so I think, you know, we re here, let s just keep doing it again.
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he, he would just keep shooting me.
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And we were also shooting like everyone does now on digital.
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So there s no more film.
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There s no magazine to change.
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Just keep going.
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It s like a light switch just turn on and you can do them on a loop.
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And if something s off on a take, just back up the camera and go again.
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And I think that would get him a lot of variety.
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And, um, but in Hong s case, he would just kind of go, okay, well we already got it.
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Um, you know what?
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Just show off.
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Impress me.
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He loved her so much.
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It was really finessing many takes to find out what s the best way to do it.
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He was never shooting for variety, with me at least.
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And you could almost do it different ways.
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Like there s different colors and layers in each take.
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And you re like, he s got to go back and pick which is the best one.
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Because sometimes I think that was a good one.
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Next one you go, that was good at the beginning.
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Oh, we nailed that part.
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You know, on different movies.
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But this one, I m sure he s got in his head what he wants.
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It s hard, it would be hard with that emotion, which is a lot of your stuff and humor.
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To get through take after take, you know, that would be harder for me.
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Cause you have to get there.
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I say one day at a time, I think, you know, you gotta eat an elephant one bite at a time.
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At least it was in one location was kind of nice.
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Where was it?
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We shot in Newburgh, New York, across the mighty, mighty Hudson.
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It was frozen at that time of year, so cold there, in a motorcycle museum in the lower half.
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And I m sure you said this on Press Junkies, but so it was three hours in probably and three hours out?
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Four.
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And how many to get out?
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An hour, but that s okay.
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You shoot for 12 minutes a day.
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I actually, I had a guy, Kevin Yeager, he s brilliant on this, a very goofy movie, no one saw, Master of Disguise.
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I love Master of Disguise.
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Wait a minute, can I record this?
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Master of Disguise, I m the Master of Disguise.
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It was very silly, but he did, yeah, like eight hours with me sometimes.
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Wow, eight?
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Honest?
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Yeah.
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In which character?
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Do you remember?
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Well, it was the Turtle Man.
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I d get there at 3.30 or 4.00 sometimes.
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He would spray some Bacol, very detailed on my hands and stuff.
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Was he putting appliances on you that were already built?
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Appliances.
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When I did from Jaws, you know, Robert Shaw, Shark, Go Underwater, that was a big one.
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So I m encased in rubber.
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I don t know if you had a situation, I ll ask you in a second.
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And they said, Barbara Streisand s here today, because James Brolin was playing the father.
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So I had lunch with Barbara Streisand, but I m in full prosthetic Robert Shaw.
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make up the whole time, there was no time for me to get out.
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So do you have goofy agents or people come by, you re completely Charlie, you re fully your guy, and then you re talking, you re in the... And you re talking as Brendan.
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It was a little weird.
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Yeah, there were moments of that, but if we weren t in the production or the family, there weren t that many visitors anyway, actually zero, because it was COVID restrictions and all that.
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I think David from A24 came around and just put his head into my cooling tent and say hi.
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My cooling tent?
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Yeah, I did.
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I had a cooling tent with a Barco lounger.
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Oh, it makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Because you can t like get up and run to lunch.
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You have to like- I needed to be wheeled the 70 or so steps from the chair to the set, to the chair, to the set.
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Yeah.
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I won t say anything more about the movie, but yeah, I could see that.
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That s right.
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We re talking about the movie, The Whale, which is doing very, very well box office wise, I ve read.
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I mean, it s getting a big audience for an indie film.
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It s hard to make adult…
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thoughtful dramas at the moment.
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I hope that ll turn around.
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It used to be that s all you could make if you wanted to do something small.
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It was a thinky piece that went to a film festival and you hoped for distribution or something like that.
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But what with streaming and all the different ways to consume content.
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After rehearsal, how long did it take?
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After what?
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After you were done with rehearsals, how long did it take to actually shoot it?
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I think we had like 30 something days, not including the weekends, but you know, 33, 32 days.
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But we shot mostly chronologically, which was really helpful.
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That s fun, yeah, that really helps.
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You can live it through.
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I wouldn t say it s a fun movie, but I d say that helps.
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That helps.
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Well, good is good.
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I m wondering when the first time you did the makeup tests and you became the character, and when you looked in the mirror, you know, obviously the thing is you start to go,
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What was your reaction?
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Was it emotional almost?
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It was actually, funny you should ask.
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Well, the first time, the first test was at the protozoa office and Adrian Moreau is the designer of this makeup.
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He s brilliant.
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And getting into it for the first time, you know, it was big labor to get all the parts from Montreal and all that.
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And Derek looked over my shoulder and he said,
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for the rest of your life.
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What does that mean?
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That s what I thought, what does that mean?
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And then I thought, I know what you mean actually, because you can t really divorce yourself from me creating this character for better or worse.
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Hope you remember it.
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Yes, you can be remembered for something for the rest of your life for any number of reasons.
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Well, there s never been a movie that explored people suffer from obesity.
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Not in this way.
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No.
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I thought about this long and hard.
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Not this way.
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The closest I could think of, and this might be reaching for it, was Dom DeLuise in Fatso.
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Oh, interesting.
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It was called Fatso?
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More of a broad comedy from the 80s, right?
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Or 70s?
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It was really emotional too.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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And I drew inspiration from John Candy in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
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Yeah.
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You recall when they were, and he was deriding him and he says, go ahead, you can, I m a big guy, you can take a shot at me.
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Yeah.
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But I like me.
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My wife likes me.
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I m good enough.
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I mean, and he looked like he was going to crack in that moment, and he probably was.
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And that was a beautiful piece of acting right there.
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I don t think we ve seen that kind of sensitivity attached to owning who you are when you live in a larger body like that.
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Yeah.
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And I love that he was a college professor, you know, and there was a heartache always underneath almost the entire
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It was just there, you didn t have to play it.
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Even when you re being light, like you re being light with everyone, you re saying I m sorry.
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But you know, it s all in really your face, so the suit kind of...
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goes away for a while because you re just watching you to see what s going on.
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That s cool because in absence of it, you know, being a success with our finely tuned brain seeing makeups versus CGI creations, and you can tell where the dotted lines are and you automatically go, you have to make a decision about suspension of belief.
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I ll let that one slide.
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But with this, it was a straight ahead.
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analog yeah, yeah with the exception of maybe a light digital curative if like a piece of fabric on your shirt was acting up and it s a movie or whatever that we d fix that later or there was a scene when on the bib sort of shape or the collar when Charlie goes down the hallway to go to bed he takes his shirt off before and
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You know, anyway, that was the full suit.
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It was very heavy.
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And, you know, anyway, but apart from that, what you see was what you got.
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But if it didn t work, there was no movie.
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And the rule was, this is a makeup and costume that will obey the laws of physics and gravity.
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It will not be what we ve seen so frequently, which is, you know,
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A foam, light foam.
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A Halloween costume kind of silhouette that an athletic actor wears and you sort of defy gravity and bounce around the way.
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And yeah, you know, I mean, that s, that s a different movie.
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It s a different genre.
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I have mixed feelings about what s funny about that and what s not.
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No, you looked like it was very belabored to do anything.
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That guy was ill.
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He was not well.
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I mean, when you were wheezing and, you know, I felt suffocated, you know.
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I was really in... when he, the heroic moment with his daughter, where he s... I don t want to give away the ending, but when he gets up,
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That was just, that put me in a puddle of tears.
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I m feeling it right now.
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It s having the strength to get to your feet and do what you need to do.
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Just someone who loves his daughter so much and it s impossible and he s gonna do it anyway.
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Anyway, you should see it, folks.
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If you like great drama.
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If you like great movies, my God.
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You got me again, Brendan.
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What do you got for Brent?
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I think we should let him go on his flight.
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Brendan s a very nice dude, and he came over on the way to go to more stuff in London about the whale.
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Anyway, on just another human note, everyone, you know, there s so many awards in our lives growing up.
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You know, you re a Canadian, you speak French, but there s the Academy Awards.
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I mean, you ve already nominated Golden Globe.
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You ve won Critics  Choice.
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I don t know how many more there ll be, but do you let your mind wander to that idea?
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No, I can t.
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I don t want to get ahead of myself.
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I can t read those tea leaves any better than you or me or anyone can.
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I laugh at the prognostication that goes on because nobody knows shit.
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Nobody knows anything.
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No, it s always a surprise.
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Disabuse yourself of having the inside track.
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You do not.
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No.
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Nobody knows.
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You do have to keep that attitude, you know.
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It was Herman Melville who wrote, I know not all that may be coming, but come what may, I will go to it laughing.
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I lived by that from since Venice and now.
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A few other maxims and idioms along the way.
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Another one being, ignorance is the parent of fear.
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it s better to know, better go towards the risky things that we re reticent to know about or learn about.
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So you have a fully formed opinion about it, a more well-informed opinion than just ignoring it and condemning it early on and remaining frightened.
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That s again, Melville, 1851.
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Moby Dick.
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Exactly.
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With Gregory Peck.
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That too.
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Saw it as a little kid.
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Was always blown away by it.
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Did you see Gregory Peck?
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Gregory Peck.
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I ve kissed bigger lips than yours.
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I m Gregory Peck.
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I m Henry Fonda.
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I can do these guys but no one knows what they talk like.
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Yeah, I know a lot about a GAF projector.
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Now, you re a Polaroid camera.
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GAF.
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GAF, anyway.
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I just do the voices, but you know, those Rich Little voices, those old movie stars.
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I love Rich Little.
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The only one you could do now is Jimmy Stewart, because of It s a Wonderful Life.
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Kid came up to me, hey, dude, it s a wonderful life guy.
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But the rest are all gone.
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They don t know who they are.
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No, it s okay.
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They re our first movie stars.
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I still do Nixon in my act.
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It seems to... Can we get a taste?
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Isn t that the standard?
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That s it.
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No, Nixon was a good go-to.
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Alderman and Dean, they were the ones that led me down that path.
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Well, good luck to you.
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I think anything that happens from now on is all gravy, so it s been great.
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Great talking to you.
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Could I, I ll give you one little thing and I ll do it as Hans and Franz.
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Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell an Oscar nomination.
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Sorry, he s laughing.
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We ve laughed ever since you wrote about it.
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Can I just, in memory of my late mother who loved the church lady because she was church, she was church lady.
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Oh, that s funny.
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Well, well, well.
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We re up there getting our awards, aren t we?
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We think we re a little bit superior to a little man I like to call Jesus.
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We like ourselves, don t we?
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We re having a good ol  time at the party circuit where alcohol is served and the sluts are aplenty.
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Yeah, I don t know where she came from, but I m flattered that your mom got some joy out of that character and my mother-in-law, who s Irish Catholic, loves it as well.
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They would have got along great.
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They loved it.
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No one took offense to it, even in the Bible Belt.
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They just loved it.
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But it s just fun to be superior.
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We like to talk on our little microphone, don t we, David?
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We ve got a podcast, and we feel superior.
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I don t know where it s sitting on.
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I don t care.
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But Brendan Fraser exudes likability.
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I m so happy that he s laughing right now, because it s been... He got me.
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David saw a little bit.
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We laughed.
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I saw the whole thing, you jackass.
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The whale?
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Well, just everything here.
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When we started thinking about that last moment in the film, it still gets me.
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I don t want to talk about that because it s part of the movie, but I was gotten all across the board.
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I kept stopping because I was like, oh my God, this is catching me off guard.
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So what can we, how can we sum up?
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We just, we appreciate you.
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I mean, the whole world is, as you know, just loves you.
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Everyone s happy to see you.
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It s not always really nice.
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And I know that you ve been through everything and it s, it s just seems, oh, that s show business.
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And then there s life and,
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It s hard to, you know, kind of puff yourself up at this point and go, hey, damn right, you know?
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I will never let that happen.
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And it s never gonna happen, but at least my, I would just hope, just enjoy it as much as you can.
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You got a little run going?
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I agree, thank you.
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As much as you can.
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I appreciate it.
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Ride it out.
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A lot.
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People will say nice things of me sometimes, and I m like, oh, okay.
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You re blowing up, Dane.
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That s my sister.
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You re blowing up again.
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Really?
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I don t think so.
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So I know, but for you, your training and what you ve shared with us about your, you know, quoting Melville and what you re doing, you know, I mean, that s the true path.
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Like what s, you know, what s the work, you know, in the end of the day, yeah, you did this brilliant piece of acting in this film.
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That s all we have.
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Look, I summed it up.
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And what I have a business manager to introduce to you.
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Do you have any advice?
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No, he s doing good so far.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, well, good luck in these next few weeks going through the circuit and, you know, we only wish you the best.
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And we also really want to thank you for coming on our podcast.
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It s my absolute pleasure.
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No, it s very, very flattering.
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You got to talk toward the end.
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I know that was a big deal.
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We tried to interrupt.
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I said to David before, let s cut him off 50% of the time.
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We don t even have to coach us in that.
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No, we help you.
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Is there anything else you feel you want to say to the world?
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Just thank you.
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Because we have a really big following.
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Thank you very, very much.
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All right.
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No, it was a complete pleasure.
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And do enjoy Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade.
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There you go.
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Brendan Fraser, thank you.
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Hey, what s up, flies?
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What s up, fleas?
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What s up, people that listen?
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We wanna hear from you and your dumb questions.
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Questions, ask us anything.
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Anything you want.
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You can email us at flyonthewallatcadence13.com.
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Okay, here s an AMA, guys.
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Danny, get prepped.
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First of all- I m gonna pick a sunglass.
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David, I m gonna let you pick for this segment.
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I don t mind the little, no, I like those better.
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Okay.
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Love the podcast.
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The recent Farley tribute was great.
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Sent me on a YouTube deep dive of Farley s time in SNL.
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What a legend.
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Question for David.
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You mentioned a movie you and Chris pitched.
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Were pitched shortly before he passed called The Tree.
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Do you remember specifics?
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Yes.
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His name is Lance Wichie.
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Pronounced like witchy woman.
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That s what he says.
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Okay.
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The Tree, Dana, was a movie.
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It was pretty typical of Spade Farley formula.
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I liked this.
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I was a stiff DC political guy climbing up like an assistant, whatever, low man on the totem pole.
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I m getting married.
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It s a week for my wedding, week before Christmas or whatever.
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After Thanksgiving, they say,
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They want a tree to be delivered to, you know, across the country.
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I order it.
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There s a big screw up.
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It s my fault.
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I hear from the president himself.
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You go get the tree and bring it back.
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Make sure it gets here.
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So I have to fly across country.
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I have to get back from my wedding and Farley is the lumberjack that s in charge of the tree.
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and he wants to make 18 stops on the way there, and I don t want to, so we fight along the way, and it s sort of a good device.
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Kind of like Trains, Planes, and Automobiles, like two misfits on a journey.
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Is that script still around?
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It might be.
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Because we re two misfits that could go on a journey.
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We wouldn t even have to act.
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I m up for journeys, and Melissa McCarthy, I thought might be funny at one time for that, but it just sort of went away.
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We both had read it.
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We d just done two, so we thought, let s give it a breather.
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But at the end, we were like, you know, the tree was pretty funny.
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We could probably shape that or get somebody on that.
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So anyway, it didn t work out, but that was kind of what it was.
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I never asked you this, but what was the difference, you think, in terms of like Black Sheep versus Tommy Boy?
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Nothing.
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I mean, did you sense that maybe Black Sheep wasn t, because Wayne s World 2 didn t do as good as Wayne s World 1, but- Well, the problem there was Tommy and Boy, the quick stories, which we re not good at quick stories, but it sort of fell into place.
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Pete Segal was director, Fred Wolfe was on the set.
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We re just adding jokes.
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We re just all screwing around.
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No one s watching the farm.
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So yeah, it was light and easy, and then the pressure in the second one.
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Second one, we got your director from Wayne s World.
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Penelope, she s good.
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And she didn t want me in Black Sheep.
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And she s admitted this.
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She said I wasn t good and she didn t like me in Tommy Boy.
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And she said, she just wanted to do a movie with Chris.
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So she would do this movie.
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And that s when it s, and she took 40 pages out of the script that Fred wrote and we all chipped in on.
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So we were more separated in the movie and it wasn t as fun back and forth.
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I still like Black Sheep, but I m not here to hammer her down.
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I m just saying.
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No, I m sure she has her side of it.
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That s what it turned into.
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I didn t mean to bring up something negative.
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I would just say that budgets are also, David, if I could for a moment, budgets are also can be the enemy of comedy.
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Like, so the first movie they threw Mike and I as Wayne and Garth on the hood of the car and we re going, do you ever be attracted to Bugs Bunny or whatever?
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And it was like, took 20 minutes.
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Do you ever, yeah.
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It wasn t overthought.
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If she s a babe, if she were a president, she d be Babraham Lincoln.
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So it was just one take, go away.
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Second movie was like a three-day shoot, multiple cameras, we re on that car for hours.
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CGI.
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Sucking and squeezing the life out of it.
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So anyway, no one s fault.
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And a lot more pressure, a lot of more cooks in the kitchen.
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More pressure.
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We think this way could be funny, over-thought, over-tested.
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And so I still liked a lot of Block Sheep and Chris was definitely funny in it, and there s some funny parts.
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Penelope did add one thing I have to give her where we were in bunk beds and when she said, I m gonna do this thing where he falls on you.
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And I go, we didn t shoot that.
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And she goes, I did it with a camera trick.
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And when I saw it, I was like, there s no fucking way I would even know that was a camera trick.
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It looks so real.
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And so I will give her that.
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That was very funny and great additional joke, which is what you re killing for in those movies.
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Just get a house laugh.
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So that s it.
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And thank you for asking.
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This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13.
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Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes.
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Fly on the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13, executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corcoran of Cadence 13, and Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment.
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The show s lead producer is Greg Holtzman with production and engineering support from Serena Regan and Chris Basil of Cadence 13.