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Coming up next on Passion Strike.
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My coach kind of laughed.
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He s like, hey, Jen, I ve got the perfect world record for you.
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I think you should be the first female to climb the seven second summits.
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At that point in my life, it sounded like a tongue twister.
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I didn t even know what he was saying.
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I m like the seven what?
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It was the seven second summits.
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It s the second highest point on each of the seven continents.
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It has only been done by one male.
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It s harder than the first seven.
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You would be the first woman.
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And he goes, think about it.
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Seven continents, seven mountains, seven children.
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It s a jackpot.
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I m like, it does sound like a jackpot.
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I ve never slept in a tent though before.
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Like we ve got things we got to figure out.
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And he said, you ll do it.
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I m like, okay, let s say yes.
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To me, it checked the boxes of traveling and experiencing the world, doing hard things.
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And I felt it would be an inspirational pursuit for others to step into theirs.
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Welcome to Passion Struck.
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Hi, I m your host, Jon R. Miles, and on the show, we decipher the secrets, tips, and guidance of the world s most inspiring people and turn their wisdom into practical advice for you and those around you.
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Our mission is to help you unlock the power of intentionality so that you can become the best version of yourself.
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If you re new to the show, I offer advice and answer listener questions on Fridays.
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We have long-form interviews the rest of the week with guests ranging from astronauts to authors, CEOs, creators, innovators, scientists, military leaders, visionaries, and athletes.
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Now, let s go out there and become Passion Struck.
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Hello, everyone.
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Happy 2024.
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And welcome back to Episode 397 of Passion Struck.
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Consistently ranked by Apple as the number one alternative health podcast.
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And thank you to all of you who come back to the show every single week to listen and learn how to live better, be better and impact the world.
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And as we step into 2024, I want to offer you an incredible opportunity to actively pursue your goals and transform your life.
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I m thrilled to introduce the 50 Week Challenge, a carefully crafted journey to help you unlock your full potential and make meaningful progress towards your aspirations.
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Each week, we ll tackle a new challenge focusing on various aspects of personal growth and well-being.
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Join us in the 50-week challenge and step into your most passion-struck self.
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If you re new to the show, thank you so much for joining us.
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Or you simply want to introduce this to a friend or a family member, and we love it when you do that.
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We have episode starter packs, which are collections of our fans  favorite episodes that we organize into convenient playlists that give any new listener a great way to get acclimated to everything we do here on the show.
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Either go to Spotify or passionstruck.com slash starter packs to get started.
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And in case you missed it, last week I had two fantastic interviews.
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The first was with Dr. Anthony Yoon, a plastic surgeon, author, and social media influencer.
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Dr. Yoon is author of the new book, Younger for Life, a complete guide to turning back the clock holistically using a process called autojuvenation.
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In our discussion, Dr. Yoon discusses how virtually anyone can see great changes in their skin, energy, and how they feel using the power of their own body s regenerative abilities.
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I also interviewed Dr. Amelia Elizabeth Lati, who specializes in the Applied Psychology of Inner Strength, Conscious Leadership, and High Performance.
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We discussed her book Gentle Power and also her 2,400-kilometer run and bicycle ultra-endurance feat across the entire length of New Zealand for her research on the Finnish concept of Sisu.
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I also wanted to say thank you for your ratings and reviews, and if you loved today s episode or the other ones I mentioned, we would appreciate you giving it a five-star review and sharing it with your friends and families.
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I know we and our guests love to see comments from our listeners.
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I want to start off today s episode by sharing a personal story.
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I remember vividly on my first day heading to work at Arthur Anderson in Houston, Texas.
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It was a day like any other, with the sun just rising, and I was well ahead of time for my commute.
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As I was merging onto a highway, something unexpected happened.
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I was in the outer lane next to a massive semi-truck.
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And as we both maneuvered the turn, I ended up making the turn, but the tractor-trailer did not.
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And in an instant, it hit me, my car spinning uncontrollably on the road.
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When I came to a stop, my heart skipped a beat, and I was faced with oncoming traffic.
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That harrowing moment with cars speeding towards me reshaped my entire perspective.
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It s in these life-defying situations that we often find our true strength, resilience.
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Today s guest, Jen Drummond, has experienced her own life-altering situation
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one that has reshaped her entire life, influenced her journey to becoming passionstruck, and led to the creation of her new book, Break Proof, Seven Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals.
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This isn t just an interview, it s a vivid testament to the unyielding human spirit, a narrative that echoes the essence of a true go-getter and underscores the vital importance of maintaining life balance, setting ambitious goals, and embracing the fullness of life.
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Through our discussion, I will guide you on Jen Drummond s audacious journey to conquer the Seven Second Summits.
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With no prior experience in mountain climbing, Jen set out to achieve a feat considered by many as insurmountable.
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Her journey, fraught with both emotional and physical trials, is a compelling tale of resilience, perseverance, and finding inner strength in the face of life s daunting challenges.
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The podcast delves into the heart of personal evolution.
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Mountain climbers regard the second-highest mountains on each continent as more technically challenging than their highest counterparts.
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Jen s experiences on these towering summits are potent metaphors for life s goal achievement and a testament to the power of relentless self-improvement.
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In this conversation, you ll uncover actionable strategies and exercises to initiate your journey, build resilience, and tackle life s hurdles.
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The significance of setting goals, pursuing continuous self-improvement, and personal growth
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methods to navigate through seemingly insurmountable obstacles, inspiration to become a relentless go-getter, to never give up, and to embrace a balanced, fulfilling life.
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Jen Drummond is not just a world-record-holding mountaineer.
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She is a mother of seven, a successful business owner, and an inspiration to us all.
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Through her book, her podcast, and her talks, she shares her story and strategies, guiding others to create thriving businesses and a lasting legacy.
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Join us in this riveting episode of the PassionStruck podcast as we discuss life-changing experiences and the resilience to overcome them with Jen Drummond.
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Thank you for choosing PassionStruck and choosing me to be your host and guide on your journey to creating an intentional life.
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Now, let that journey begin.
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I am so honored and thrilled to have Jen Drummond on PassionStruck.
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Welcome, Jen.
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Hey, thanks for having me today.
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Well, we re going to spend most of today talking about your incredible new book, Breakproof, Seven Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve Your Life Goals.
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I m so excited for you.
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Congratulations.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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It s been a project to say the least.
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Believe me, I know exactly what you re saying.
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It has been so much more work than I ever would have thought in a million years, but your book is great and I can t wait to dive into this interview.
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Jen, I d like to start out by giving the audience some context so they can get to know you.
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And my father and his whole family are from Michigan and I understand we have something huge in common.
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We happen to be fans of the Michigan Wolverines.
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We are.
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We are, and we just had a big win.
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So thank you.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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We need a few more along the way.
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But growing up as a kid, I spent a lot of time in Michigan and I ve actually been to Holland where you grew up.
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And I was hoping you might be able to share a little bit about the environment in Michigan and in Holland and how it shaped your early perspectives and aspirations.
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Yeah, Holland was one of those quaint little towns.
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I m from a huge family.
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My dad is one of 13.
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So I grew up in this pack of family members with tons of cousins and I have a brother and a sister.
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So I had one of those amazing childhoods that was involved in sports and play and family.
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And my mom was a stay at home mom.
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So life was good.
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I was definitely competitive.
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I took school serious.
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I was one of those people that liked to be at the top or number one or learning my limits.
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And so that s definitely carried into my adulthood.
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I will say that I went to college at Hope College, which is in Holland, Michigan as well.
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and was studying to be a doctor.
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My chemistry teacher pulled me aside and thought, you know what, Jen, I don t know if this is the best field for you.
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Maybe you should look at something in business.
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And I remember being offended, but he brought up a good point.
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He said, listen, do you know any of your classmates?
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said, no, I don t.
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He goes, do you want to know why?
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I m like, sure.
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He goes, they re at the library on the weekend studying and you re not.
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And if you want to spend the next eight years of your life studying with these people, then yes, you can be a doctor, but I think you have talents that would be better served other ways.
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And I just, of course, I was angry with him at first, but then grateful later on in life because it worked out the way it should have.
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And I m glad he had the courage to have that conversation with me.
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I did an internship in school where I helped staff temporary labor onto like manufacturing lines.
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They re manufacturing a office chair.
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I was in college when Y2K happened.
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So during that timeframe, we were begging people to come into work to help make this chair work weekends, work long hours, do whatever.
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And then almost overnight, we had to let go of these 200 people that had
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dedicated their life to try to make this chair so they could have a full-time job at this manufacturing company.
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And I don t know why I didn t quit.
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I was a college student.
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Why didn t I quit?
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I didn t quit.
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I helped let go 200 people.
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And I just remember that experience telling me, I m never going to work for somebody.
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I have to work for myself because I have to be responsible for my job.
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I can t imagine coming into work giving 100% and having somebody else say, just kidding, you re out the door.
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So that definitely played a huge role in my career.
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I started a firm in financial services, helping individuals.
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I started having a family.
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I hired myself out of a job at the company so that I could be a stay at home mom.
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I relocated the family to Park City, Utah, so that we could have a more year-round outdoor lifestyle that was active and busy.
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And then in 2018, I got into a horrific car accident that kind of shifted everything.
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So before we get into that car accident, I want to take several steps back.
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So something, as I was doing my research, I found that you and I had in common is we both started out doing division one sports.
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You were at SMU, if I got it correctly.
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And I started out as a cross country and track athlete at the Naval Academy.
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And I did it for a few years, but I just kept running into
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injury after injury and had so many stress fractures.
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I was starting to spend more time in the swimming pool or on a spin bike than I was actually running.
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And so unfortunately I had to give it up, but I learned so much through sports.
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And I was hoping you might be able to share some of the things that you learned through that sports aspect of your life that have carried with you.
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Yeah, no, definitely.
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I think sports have played a huge role in who I am.
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Some of my favorite things about playing soccer is that you had an hour and a half.
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That s it.
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Like the game was over and an hour and a half, like it was so you could put everything on the field and leave it on the field because in an hour and a half it was done.
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And I think a lot of times we forget that whatever we re going through is temporary.
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It s not forever.
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So leave it on the table.
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Give it your all.
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Do what you can.
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I remember a coach talking to me once.
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I was a striker.
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So I like to shoot the goals in.
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I loved the sound of a pretty goal, right?
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I can hear it in my head now where it hits the net and it runs down the background and like everything being set up perfectly.
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And for a while I wasn t scoring because I kept trying to set up that perfect goal and then I would get intercepted or the ball would get kicked out of the way or whatever.
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It was really hard to get that perfect goal set up.
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And finally my coach pulled me aside and he goes, Jen, no one remembers what your goal looks like.
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They just remember that you got the ball in the net and what the score of the game is.
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So why don t you just get the ball in the net and then after you have three goals, then you can look for the pretty one.
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I m like, okay, fine.
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I literally, they call it a hat trick.
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When you get a three goals in each game or the next 18 games, I got three goals a game, sometimes more.
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And it s because I allowed that perfect setup to be whatever.
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I just wanted the ball in the net.
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It didn t matter what it looks like.
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And I think a lot of times when we re doing things ourselves, we re so caught up in what it looks like instead of just getting it done.
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And soccer really taught me, you just got to get it done.
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I think there are a couple of things there that you highlighted that I love.
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One of them is this concept that trying times end, which is something that I tried to share too, because if we use our perspective to cognitively reframe situations we re in, it can help us get through so many of these adversities that seem like they re never going to end.
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But if you just reframe it as maybe it s like going to Christmas dinner with
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a family member that really drives you nuts.
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But if you think about that as it s just a couple hours of your life, it makes it a little bit easier to move through.
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And I also liked how it s not necessarily how you finish, it s that you do.
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And I think of
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the touchdowns that are scored in football and how many of them look pretty messy, but it doesn t matter because you got the ball over the line.
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So I think those are both great.
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And I have older kids than you do.
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Mine are now 25 and 19.
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But I always have this fear of my son moving away and being in this big family like you were in.
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What was it like for you to tell them, hey, family, I m moving to Utah?
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But yeah, no, not well received at all.
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Why would you want to live, leave this Midwest vortex?
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Everybody s here.
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Everything s here.
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This is so magic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And I m like, okay, I m just going to try it.
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So I literally went to Utah Park City for six months and it was a six month trial.
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By month two, I m like, we re moving.
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But I couldn t tell everybody at home that yet.
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They needed to see us thriving and having a good time and coming out to visit to see why we would even want to move 2,000 miles away from home.
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But I have seven children, five boys, twin girls at the bottom.
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And in Michigan, those winters are gray.
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They re indoors.
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They re not a lot to do out here in park city.
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We have sun so many days out of the year.
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And so when you re skiing in the winter, you re skiing in sunshine, you re outdoors.
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It s just such an outdoor lifestyle.
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And I had, it was a great way to burn energy out of little bodies.
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And it s a direct flight to Detroit, but it s not terrible.
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It was a hard move for everybody at home, for sure.
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So I have two kids and I know what it was like raising them.
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You have seven children.
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Can you tell us about this journey to motherhood and the dynamics of your family life?
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Well, it was a struggle, right?
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It was fascinating.
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I struggled getting pregnant, right?
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Every month that pregnancy tests would come back negative and I felt like a failure.
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And it s the one thing we re born to do as women is to carry babies.
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And my body couldn t do that natural thing, which had an old guilt, shame story tied to it.
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I ended up working with a fertility clinic.
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And nothing worked for a while until one day we came up with a chemical cocktail that turned me into a hen.
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And all of a sudden, we got a whole bunch of eggs, which became a whole bunch of embryos.
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And we planted two, and I got my son, Jack, who s my oldest.
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And then I got a bill from the fertility clinic.
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Okay, well, here s for your other embryos on ice.
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So we had that discussion of what does that mean?
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In Michigan at the time, you had three options.
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You could use them, donate them, or destroy them.
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Destroying them just was not even in the realm of possibility for me, especially with the journey that I had been on.
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donating them.
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I didn t want to be like, are you my kid?
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Are you my kid?
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The rest of my life, it didn t feel right.
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And so using them was the option that felt good for me and my husband.
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We thought we d get three to four children.
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We ended up getting seven.
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Luckily for me, I grew up in a huge family.
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So I have a brother and a sister, but when my dad s one to 13 and you re just used to that energy and chaos and crazy.
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So I think I was primed for it at some level with that.
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I wouldn t change it for the world, but it s busy.
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It s expensive, but it s fun.
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I have to ask, I understand during COVID that you might ve had to become a teacher for this large family.
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What was that shift like?
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Oh my goodness.
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So this happened, right?
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Like after the car accident, after I m like, okay, I m going to get into me again.
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And I m going to put like the mom hat on the, like, it s going to be an and not an only.
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And so all of a sudden I start setting these goals.
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And then right away, the universe hits me with COVID.
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And it s like, oh, guess what?
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You re not going to go climb a mountain.
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You re going to stay home and homeschool seven children because school is shut down.
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And I just remember thinking, this is funny universe.
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Thank you.
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So, yeah, it was challenging.
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We got lucky.
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We were probably the people that did COVID the best out of anybody I ve met.
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Oh, I was on my way to a ski race down in Idaho with two of my boys.
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We were running late.
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I got the phone call in Salt Lake City, which is about 30 minutes from my house, saying the race was canceled.
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It was eight and a half hours away.
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So grateful that I was running late because otherwise I would have been there and had to drive eight and a half hours back, that the race was canceled because of this thing called COVID.
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I called the nanny who helps with the kids and I said, Hey, I think this COVID thing is going to shut things down.
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Let s go to spring break early.
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She s like, I m in.
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I m like, okay, perfect.
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So I called this house that we were renting in Hawaii.
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I m like, Hey, can we come Saturday?
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And she s like, sure, I can get it ready.
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So we send the kids to school on Friday.
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We packed all their bags to go to Hawaii on Saturday.
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They don t cancel school on Friday like I thought they would until about eight o clock at night.
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Hey, this COVID thing is going to shut school down, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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So I was like, okay, we got lucky.
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We called it right.
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We went to Hawaii Saturday morning and then Hawaii didn t shut down until April.
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So we were there for the month of March.
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school that ended up opening, the house that we rented, the people are like, hey, we can t travel there.
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If you guys just want to stay to have the house be used, we d be happy to have you stay.
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So we stayed in the house in Hawaii.
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And the beautiful thing was, is about a couple miles down the road was BYU.
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University, which closed, but these kids all stayed.
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So then we would have these girls come from BYU to help do school in the morning.
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We d eat lunch, then we d go surfing in the afternoon.
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And my son was young enough to say like, what d we do for COVID-18?
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This COVID-19 is pretty awesome.
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COVID-20, can we go to Brazil?
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I m like, honey, little do you know what s going on in this world and am I ever grateful.
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I love it.
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Yes.
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I want to now talk about the incident that changed your life.
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And I think those of us who have had life altering incidents like yours, I ve had a few both in combat and more recently, I came home to an intruder in my house pointing a gun at me.
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And not everyone has these wake up call moments, but yours was pretty significant.
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It was a car accident that reshaped your life.
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Can you walk us through a little bit of what happened and the immediate impact that it had on you?
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Yeah.
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So I was driving home and my attention got pulled to the reservoir, the side of the road, and just looking at things daydreaming.
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And when I got pulled back to the road, I realized I was coming up really fast on a semi.
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So I went to get into the fast lane.
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The same time there must ve been something on the side of the road and his second trailer bumped out into that fast lane.
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And I collided with the passenger side headlamp in the back of the semi.
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And I remember watching it happen.
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And I said to myself, I need to surrender.
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I m not strong enough to beat this car.
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And the only way I have a chance of living is letting go.
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And so I put my hands on the steering wheel, my head on the headrest, and I sat on that accident.
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And it s one of those things where you dilate time, right?
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It s going so fast that it s going slow.
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And I remember telling myself, okay, I m going to roll once.
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I m gonna roll twice, I m gonna roll three times.
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Okay, now I m gonna start doing sideways rolls.
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So I did a whole bunch of sideways rolls and I ended up upside down in the median.
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And I just remember sitting there thinking, okay, Hollywood s trained me that another car s coming.
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I was like waiting to get smacked by another car.
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Luckily that didn t happen.
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An individual ran towards me to try to help to see if I was okay.
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When the ambulance came, they re like, there s no way that person s alive.
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I was, I went to the hospital.
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They did a whole bunch of tests.
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I actually was released the same day, came home to my family.
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I remember walking in that front door, just thinking, wow, I almost would never walk in this front door again.
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Like I almost never got to see these kids again.
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It was just such a shakeup of, man, am I living?
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Do people know that I love them?
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Do they know, am I showing up the way I want to show up?
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Am I doing things?
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the way that I want to do them.
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The police called a few weeks later after the accident to let me know they ve tried to rebuild it about 50 different times.
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They could not build a scenario where I lived, let alone walked away.
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Add to this scenario that a girlfriend of mine went running on a trail that you and I could push a stroller.
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It was wet out, she slipped, she hit her head and she never came home.
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So I m just like metabolized, like, why was I saved and why didn t I die?
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Then why did she do something healthy and she s not still here and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And the bottom line is I came to the conclusion that I don t get to choose when I die, but I sure get to choose how I live.
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And am I really living with this gift of life or am I just checking the boxes?
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And at that point, I was checking the boxes.
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To be honest, I was living that if then when my kids get to college, then I ll get back to me.
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When this happens, then I ll do that.
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We all fell guilty of that story.
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And at that point, I was like, you know what?
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I m living.
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I don t care what your opinion is of me, you re going to die someday, too.
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I m going to start tuning in to my authentic self and living from that space.
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And that s when things started to unfold at a whole new level.
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Well, I can t even imagine what you went through because flipping end over end three times and then all the roles.
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I myself was involved in a car accident many years ago.
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I was 29 or 30.
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It was my first day at Arthur Anderson, which should have been an omen to me to do something different, but I was hit by a tractor trailer.
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And I remember to this day, I m just sitting here spinning and I know there s nothing I can do, but just ride this out.
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And we were converging onto from one highway to another highway.
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And as I m done spinning, I m facing oncoming traffic and see all these cars that are flying up to hit me.
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And this one puts on its brakes and just stops two inches from my car.
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And I m just like, man, it could have been the end.
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Yeah.
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So you come out of that life flashes before you and you re now transitioning from this profound experience.
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How in the world were you drawn to mountain climbing of all things?
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No, right.
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Isn t that funny?
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Well, I live in the mountains in park city.
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So that was part of it.
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I had climbed the grand Teton and Jackson hole with friends before.
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And I remember loving the experience.
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And I just remember someday I m going to climb a mountain again, just that right now it s too busy, but I m going to do that.
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So 2019 after the car accident was this year of the bucket list.
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What do I want to experience?
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What do I want to do?
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What do I want to see?
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What do I want to try?
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What like this life could end.
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What do I want to make sure I ve done before life is over?
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And on that list, amongst a million other things, was climb a mountain.
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Well, I was turning 40 in 2020.
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So when I was looking over my list for what I wanted to do for my 40th birthday,
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I m like, you know what, I m going to climb a mountain for my 40th birthday, because that s a great way to launch this next decade.
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I asked some friends that were into mountaineering, like if you could climb one mountain in the whole world, what would it be?
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And actually a general consensus was this mountain named Ama Dablam, which I d never heard of before.
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But they re like, it s the Paramount Pictures logo with all the stars around it.
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And so every single time you go to a movie, you can say, I climbed that mountain.
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I m like, perfect, it s in Nepal, I ve never been to Nepal, I ve always wanted to go.
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So I decided to train for Amma de Blom.
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And then the COVID thing happens, I m a homeschool teacher, and one day when I m doing the homeschool thing, one of my kids is struggling with his homework, and I m trying to give him that pep talk, like, we do hard things, buddy, you ve got this.
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And he looked at me and he goes, if we do hard things, why are you climbing a mountain called I m a dumb blonde, instead of a real mountain like Mount Everest?
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I said, I m a de Blom, honey, not I m a dumb blonde, but thank you.
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That s cute.
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So he finished his homework.
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We looked at Everest.
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He went to bed.
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I was still looking at Everest.
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And I said, you know what?
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If Everest is the hardest mountain in the whole world to this little guy, I m going to climb it.
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And I m going to show him that whatever Everest is, we can summit.
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And so I called the coaches.
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Yep.
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With your background, I can get you ready.
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No worries.
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Buy this book about becoming an uphill athlete.
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So I bought this book about training to become an uphill athlete.
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And in the front, there was a lady who got a Guinness world record for doing something in the Alps.
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And I just remember talking to my coach, telling him I could have done that.
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Like I can suffer.
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I can do hard things.
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My kids learned how to read and Guinness world record books.
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If I got one, I would be a cool mom.
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I am not a cool mom as a homeschool mom.
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It is not working out for me.
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And my coach laughed.
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He s I ll think of something.
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Don t worry.
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And then a few weeks later, he calls me back and he s like, Jen, I ve got the perfect world record for you.
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I think you should be the first female to climb the seven second summits.
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At that point in my life, it sounded like a tongue twister.
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I didn t even know what he was saying.
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I m like, the seven what?
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He was the seven second summits.
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It s the second highest point on each of the seven continents.
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It has only been done by one male.
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It s harder than the first seven.
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You would be the first woman.
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And he goes, think about it.
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Seven continents, seven mountains, seven children.
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It s a jackpot.
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I m like, it does sound like a jackpot.
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I ve never slept in a tent though before.
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Like we ve got things we got to figure out.
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And he said, you ll do it.
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I m like, okay, let s say yes.
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It, to me, it checked the boxes of traveling and experiencing the world, doing hard things.
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And I felt it would be an inspirational pursuit for others to step into theirs.
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There s definitely something in that number seven.
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So I love that story and I wanted to just frame it this way.
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So many people I ve talked to always say, I would love to do this and take on that challenge or write a book or whatever it is, but I ve got kids, I ve got my job, I ve got my husband, I ve got my friends, my family.
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I never have enough time to do the things that I want to do.
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Well, you run a business, you have seven kids that you were homeschooling.
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How did you create the you time to pursue this goal?
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And what do you recommend to others?
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Yeah, well, you first need to get really clear on who you are.
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So for me, I had three things.
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I m a mom first, a business owner, second, and an athlete third.
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So everything had to fall into those categories.
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And it had to be time-wise to those categories.
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If my calendar was 40 hours a week athlete, and then I was an athlete first, not a mom first.
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So that was an interesting thing to balance, but you get creative.
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So you say, okay, I m going to do this thing.
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And I would plug in all the kids  activities.
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I d plug in some work stuff.
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And then I d meet with my coach.
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I m like, okay, what are we going to do?
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And my coach would laugh.
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She s like, I don t know.
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You re going to climb a mountain like you re not climbing any mountain with this.
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I m like, well, we have to figure it out.
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So one of the things we did is on my kids sporting events.
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I would bring a 12-inch step and a backpack full of water bottles.
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And while they were playing their sport, I would be on the sideline doing that step up the entire time.
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So I d get an hour and a half.
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On Saturdays, I d get three hours because I d have everybody has soccer Saturday.
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And I would be that mom that wouldn t be sitting watching, I d be moving watching.
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And then when it came to work meetings,
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I would have someone in there taking the notes from the meeting and I would be on a treadmill at an incline so I could hear what was going on.
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I would jump off the treadmill when I needed to comment on something, but I did a lot of meetings on a treadmill so that I could at least get some exercise in.
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And the nice thing about mountaineering is that it s not a speed sport.
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So I m not trying to set a world record on how fast I can climb Everest.
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It s just about a time under
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pressure, right?
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Time on your feet, time doing the thing.
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So for me, I could do it with a lot of other activities going on and I just had to habit stack.
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So when I think about mountain climbing, there s the physical aspects of about it, but there s also the weather aspects that you have to endure, whether it s cold, high winds, the altitude itself.
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So as you were going through this training program,
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What did you find were some of the hardest things that you had to learn how to endure?
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It s gear, getting gear to work in cold environments and knowing, okay, you can t get wet on the mountain.
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That s probably one of the biggest things you need to watch because if you get wet, you re going to get cold.
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So you re always managing your temperature as much as you can because you want to stay under that sweat threshold.
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And as you get higher up the mountain, there s less oxygen.
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So your muscles are working harder.
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So they want to sweat faster, even though it s colder.
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Anxiety, right?
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They have a fear of heights.
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So sometimes in certain environments, my body would want to sweat because I d be like, okay, I have to go over this crevasse.
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And if I fall, it s 2000 feet to the ground.
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This is crazy.
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So a lot of it is just, I would train in park city at the ski resort at night.
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Once the kids went to bed, I would ski up the hill and pull a sled with weights or have my backpack full of stuff.
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And then I would ski back down or I d hike up and go back down on skis so that I could just get the training loops in and learn the layering of clothing.
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And then having gloves that are warm enough to keep you warm and cold environments, but you have the dexterity to still tie a shoe.
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Because when you get into some of those high altitude environments, you can t have skin show.
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If it shows, it ll become frostbite.
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So it s really like just practicing and mimicking the environment as much as possible here.
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So when I was there, I was efficient, effective, and could go.
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So I wanted to talk a little bit about K2 because K2 was a critical element of your Seven Second Summit s journey.
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And for those who aren t familiar with it, it has a staggering fatality rate.
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It s known as the deadliest peak.
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For that climb in particular, what mental and physical preparations did you undertake to face such formidable odds?
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The crazy thing is Mount Everest was my training ground for K2.
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So when I went to Everest first, we were using that to make sure my gear was right, to just test everything, make sure I could handle that altitude.
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Everest is about 800 feet higher than K2.
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So then once I knew I could do that, then it took that question out of the equation because we had already accomplished something harder and higher.
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And I think that s a lot of times what you try to do.
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You try to do harder environments than what your actual game day is, because that allows you to be more present in game day because you ve already handled more stressful things.
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So definitely mimicked that.
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I live in snow in Park City.
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I ve been around snow for years.
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That s a huge advantage to me climbing a K2 because I know avalanche risk terrain a little bit better because I ve been exposed to it so often compared to people that come from Florida or come from the Middle East to climb that the K2 is one of the only times of the year that they see snow.
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That s a definitely more risky thing for them because they re not as familiar with that environment.
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So K2 took me two attempts.
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The first year that I went.
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One of my teammates passed away in an avalanche, so we canceled the expedition and took care of them.
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And when we went back, we had success.
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You have to bend to mother nature.
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She wins, the mountain will always be there.
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It s us that get to play on them and decide if we re going to risk it or not.
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Yes.
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You think about some of the major stories that we ve heard about Everest, and it was just that people either spend too much time at the summit or they try to forge ahead thinking that they can overcome mother nature and it never works out the way they hope.
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As you were climbing these mountains, there have to be just times where it s getting grueling.
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You re not really having conversations with people because it s so cold.
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So you re just sitting there in your own head and that pain and agony that you re facing.
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How did you find your way to get through moments like that and to keep persevering?
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Yeah, I think you have like a toolbox full of things right it s not ever one thing, you need to have a handful of things so that you can work with yourself so I wrote myself letters.
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for when it would get hard so that when it got hard, I could talk to myself into the position that I was in.
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I carried a photo of my children on the mountain.
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Every time I got hard, I just remember like they were watching.
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I m demonstrating to them like how we get through hard things and what we do and how we make smart decisions on the mountains.
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Was this a decision that I would want one of them to make?
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And so that helped me stay in present moment with what was going on.
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The car accident taught me
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To I remember when the guy pulled back the windshield and he looked at me, he s are you OK?
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And when I looked at his facial expression, I was like, I must not be because that s not a safe face.
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And so I closed my eyes and wiggled my fingers and toes.
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And I said out loud, I can feel my fingers and toes, I can feel my fingers and toes, I m okay.
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And so even in the mountains, when my head started running a story, like this is crazy, this is dangerous, what are you doing, blah, blah, blah, I would close my eyes, shut down that story and wiggle my fingers and toes.
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I m like, I can feel my fingers and toes.
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Everything else is a story that I m writing right now.
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There has to be a more positive way to write this to get me through this situation.
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And so I would do that.
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I d have music that I liked.
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I was the girl that brought the red and white gummy bears.
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And everybody knows me as the gummy bear lady, because if you needed more love because you missed your family and friends at home, everybody would come to me for a red gummy bear, which is a lot easier to say.
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Can I have a red gummy bear versus can you tell me you love me?
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Or we had white gummy bears, and those were courage.
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So anytime somebody was going through a hard time, they re like, hey, can I have a white gummy bear?
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And that was just the placebo effect.
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that we would use, but then it also gave everybody in the community a cue.
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Hey, this person s going through this thing, be aware.
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And so that s kind of the stuff that we use to get through it.
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So fast forward, June 1st, 2023.
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It s hard to believe that it was just six months ago.
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You become the first woman in history to complete the seven second summits.
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Can you describe the moment you reached the summit of Mount Logan, knowing you were setting a world record?
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So you know, you re doing it like in 10 steps, right?
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Because you re like, okay, in 10 more steps, I m at the top.
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And you almost want to slow mo those steps because you re never going to get them back.
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And that s the interesting thing about these environments that I went to.
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I was not coming back to them if I summited.
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So I tried to take them in as much as I could.
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Cause I m like, I m never going to see the world from this experience again, or this place again, or this view again.
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And so when I got to the top of Mount Logan, I took in this huge deep breath.
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And in that moment, everything disappeared.
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There was no time, there was no distance, there was no separation.
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I was just one with everything.
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It was the feeling of awe.
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And then of course you have to breathe out and then things start to separate again and you feel the wind on your face and you re cold and you think, oh my goodness, this is done.
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And there s a part of you that s ecstatic that it s done.
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And then there s actually a part of you that s sad that it s done.
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because it s given you so much purpose and direction and just meaning in your life that you re like, wow.
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Two and a half years ago, I was like, we ll see what happens.
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Halfway through, I was like, oh my goodness, this is really happening.
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And then you re done.
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You re like, this just happened.
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What?
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Humans are amazing.
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Are you kidding me right now?
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And yeah, so it s all of that.
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It s everything.
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I love it.
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And congratulations.
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What an amazing compliment.
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I ve had Colin O Brady on the show before and talking about some of his achievements, but, and it is just remarkable and that you did it in just a few years, really from the time you started to you completed it.
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So.
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Wow.
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What an inspiration.
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Thank you.
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So I want to take that and now go into exploring more of the book in
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Breakproof, you go through seven strategies for resilience and achievement.
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And the first strategy, cast your vision wider and deeper.
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I really loved because it coincides with one of the first chapters in my book called The Mission Angler.
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And I have found that in this journey of
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creating this life aspiration that you want, often we don t think about it as really life crafting.
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And that if you want to envision this future self that you want to become, you need to cast that vision, as you re saying, wider and deeper than you probably even imagine the possibilities becoming.
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How do you encourage people to do that?
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Yeah, it s interesting.
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Mine recently unfolded, right?
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So I was climbing a mountain named Alma de Blom.
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My son up that challenge to Everest.
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My coach up that challenge to a world record.
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And I think that s the beauty of having mentors in your life.
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as they look at you and say, actually, you re meant for more.
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Let s look at what else this could be.
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I think it s the universe giving you little nudges of yeah, this sounds like a fun thing to do.
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And then having my son do some like goofy thing that I was like, you know what?
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Yeah.
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All right, let s do this, buddy.
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Let s bring it.
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And so I think for all of us, we start on something.
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And then as we walk towards that thing, maybe bigger doors open or a bigger stage opens or a bigger idea opens to take something further, farther and wider.
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And that s where the excitement comes in.
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That s where you get the thrill to be like, okay, I m gonna do this.
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I have no clue how, but this is exciting.
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It gets me a whole body, yes.
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Let s see what happens.
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Man, that s awesome.
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And your second strategy, you talk about the importance of full commitment.
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So how do you go about having this mindset of either fully committing or don t climb that mountain that s ahead of you?
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Because I think it s something that s so important because oftentimes we will say we re going to do something, but our words don t match our actions.
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And I think a lot of it has to do with that mindset of how we approach it.
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Yeah.
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I m very selective on the words that I use with myself because I know that they matter.
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And so if I m going to say, I m going to climb Everest, I m going to climb Everest.
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I have to climb Everest because I said it.
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Otherwise I don t have any truth or trust with myself.
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If I start going back on things that I say, when it becomes a slippery slope and the other advantage to that too, is when you say, okay, I m going to climb Everest.
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Now my body or brain has no room to try to figure out ways to wiggle out of that commitment, right?
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Like that commitment s been set.
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So I m committed to the commitment.
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Now what my brain needs to do is figure out how, and if you re in a great position, how to have fun doing it, right?
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Because the person who has fun is like the hardest person to beat in any activity that we re doing.
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And I remember when we were climbing Everest, there s a section of Everest called the Lhotse Face.
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It s a 3,700 foot outdoor Stairmaster for lack of better words.
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It s just this wall that you climb for the whole day.
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That takes forever.
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That s in the elements that s freezing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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It s most people s least favorite section of Everest.
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And I knew that going in.
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So I m like, okay, well, we re climbing this.
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It s not a debate of whether we re going through this.
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Cause we re going to the top.
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So this is part of our journey.
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So here we are.
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And what we did as a team.
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And we said, okay, listen, we re gonna make this fun.
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Whoever s in front of the line is responsible for the songs we re going to sing, the jokes we re going to tell, the stories they re going to recall so we can hear about their childhood and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And then when they re exhausted and tired and have nothing else, they go to the back of the line and the next person steps up.
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I will tell you that my team s favorite section of Mount Everest was the Lhotse face.
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And that s because we already committed to the fact that we were doing it.
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And so now we had energy to use and how do we make it fun?
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How do we make it enjoyable?
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How do we make it memorable?
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And that s what we did.
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I just completed taking an improv class, something I never thought I was going to do before.
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And one of my favorite aspects of it was the games that you got to play to loosen everyone up, to start trusting each other and being able to get to know each other better.
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And I just forget how important.
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fun is and how little time we put to having adult fun and how much it can change your complete perception of what you re doing.
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So I think that s a great story that you just shared.
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One of the things that I get asked,
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countless times is you want a passion struck life.
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How do you achieve it?
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And I start out by saying that the most difficult choice you have to make is the first one.
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And that is to start.
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And I think people get really afraid because they get so worried about starting and that maybe it s not going to be a perfect start to their journey.
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And I think the imperfect starts are the way that the majority of people actually start their journeys.
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And this is something that you talk about is how this can be an incredible power that we need to embrace.
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Yeah.
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Well, I had a crazy experience.
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So I was climbing in Russia, which is the second highest point for Europe.
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And it was a technical climb that I curated specific gear for example, I ordered 20 pairs of gloves, sent 19 pairs back.
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So I had like the perfect pair for my fingers and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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I landed Moscow.
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My bags are missing and they have no clue where they are or when they re going to be found or anything like that.
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And the guide met me at the airport and he s like, listen, the weather window is now.
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So we either climb now and we ll go to a rental store or you go home and you ll come back another time.
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And this was the end of the season.
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So in Russia, you climb August, September.
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We were in September.
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So I m like, OK, I just spent 36 hours in an airport.
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I am not going to listen to another airport intercom.
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Let s rent gear.
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Whatever I learn about on this mountain will help, but we re not going to summit.
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It s OK.
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At least I m here and I can take back and understand how to better even pack when I come the next time.
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So we go to the rental store, nothing fits.
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It s after COVID.
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So nobody has inventory.
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And I have a jacket that I have to roll up the sleeves.
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I have boots that are three sizes too big.
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I have a backpack that we re tying so that it doesn t fall off my shoulders.
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And we go and I don t know, we just kept going one step at a time in perfectly up this mountain and somehow made it to the top.
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which is crazy.
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And then we had to make it down and it wasn t a pretty descent.
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There s times that I was butt scooting instead of walking in my boots because I broke a toe because it slammed into the front of the boots so many times that I was trying to like baby it, but we made it.
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And when I got back to the airport to fly home, my bags showed up the day before.
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So I had all my bags to fly home with.
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And then six months later, Russia closed to US citizens and it would still be closed to this day.
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And I sit there and think like, I did not embrace all the crazy sideways things that happened in that story.
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I wouldn t have summited.
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I wouldn t have this world record right now.
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And was it perfect?
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Was it picture beautiful?
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Absolutely not.
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It doesn t matter.
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No, because we got to the top and it s done.
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One of my favorite authors is a personal friend of mine, Robin Sharma.
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And one of the favorite sayings that Robin has is all change.
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is basically terrible at the beginning, messy in the middle and glorious in the end.
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Yeah, because the messy middle is where the challenge really arise.
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Challenges really arise.
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You get from this euphoria of starting the journey and now the hard work is starting and you have setbacks and other things.
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Can you share another experience from your clients that kind of exemplifies this messy middle and how you managed to push through it?
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I swear every climb is messy.
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Like you could pick any one of my clients.
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It d be a messy middle, but it, when we were in Antarctica, you get dropped off at this mountain and then the airplane pulls away and you are an hour and a half flight from like the next human or rescue or anything like that.
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And our first night there was the coldest day.
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I and my four guides who had been guiding for 20 some years have ever had in their entire career of mountaineering.
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And I just remember thinking, if this is what we re climbing in, we re in trouble.
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This is going to be bad because I don t know how we re going to stay warm.
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And we got, and then the weather window came.
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We had two weeks to have three days to climb this section before the plane came back to get us.
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And so we re like, okay, well, there s gorgeous areas around here to play.
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We re like, okay, the weather came in.
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It was time to go right at the beginning.
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Like we literally carried a load up the next day, came back down and then went to go summit.
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And when we were on the mountain, we re climbing, it s an ice climb.
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So you have ice axes and crampons and ropes and everything.
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And where there s the last two sections before you hit a plateau and then can walk like a normal human again.
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Then there was this section called blue ice.
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Anybody who knows blue ice, it s blue.
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There s no oxygen in it.
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It s super hard.
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When you go throw an ice tool at it, it gets rejected and kicked back because there s nothing in the ice to let it
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receive this ice tool.
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So we re trying to break the ice up.
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Thank God it wasn t 22 pitches of this blue ice and it was only two pitches of blue ice, but you have to be so precise and so exact because if you re not, you re going to get rejected.
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And so it is such a hard, tedious task.
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And the first section I did, I got about five feet from where we would stop.
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And when I got five feet from there, I hit the ice wrong and slid all the way down.
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It s like chutes and ladders.
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I went all the way down till the rope caught me.
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And then I had to start again.
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So one, your heart s in your throat because you just fell and you re sliding down this mountain and then you have to do it again.
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And you can t mess up any time in this whole section, or you re going to slide till the rope catches you until you get to the safe spot.
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And it was horrible.
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Like the that s the thing that I remember of the climb the most is that hard section that I messed up on and fell had to do again.
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And it probably took, I don t know, a couple hours to do this section where everything else was like maybe 30 minutes per section or 45 minutes per section.
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We did the summit day in 18 hours, which was a record day, but it was horrible.
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However, we got through it and now it gives us a story to tell for the rest of our lives.
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Well, I love that.
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I m not sure if you re a fan of Stephen Covey, but he has a company in your backyard.
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His CEO is three neighbors down just to let you know.
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So there you go.
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My friend, Scott Jeffrey Miller worked there for decades.
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I once had this sermon that I listened to that just stood out to me more than almost any other sermon I d ever heard in church.
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And the pastor basically talked about Stephen Covey s saying that the main thing about the main thing is keeping the main thing.
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Sometimes when we re going into our goals, the goal we think we re pursuing isn t actually the main thing that we re actually pursuing.
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You call this understand that the goal is not the goal.
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How does this philosophy resonate with your overall journey and what deeper goal did you discover beyond the summits?
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Yeah.
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So mountaineering in general is considered a selfish sport by many people.
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And you can imagine me being a mom of seven kids doing this pursuit and all the opinions everybody had of what I should be doing and shouldn t be doing and how dare I take on this quest.
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And I owned a company that did well and we donated to charities and we did things for sure.
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But when I stepped into this mountaineering quest,
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I had no idea the impact I would be able to have for women worldwide.
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I was able to bring period products over to Africa and I kept 400 women in school for four years during that time of the month.
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When I failed K2 my first time, I was devastated of course, but came back a second time, was made aware of a female that was trying to train for the climb, didn t have the resources to make it happen.
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I helped bring resources over.
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I became the third American female to stand on top of K2.
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She became the first Pakistani female to stand on top of her country s prized peak.
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She was one of the showed Muslim women throughout the world what they re capable of and what that can do.
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And so I feel like I was put on that quest.
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to show women, to show moms, to show the world, like we re more than just one role.
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And when we step into what sets our heart on fire, which for me is mountaineering, so much goodness comes from it that you didn t even anticipate or plan or could figure out.
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But because you did you, the universe lines up and allows you to participate in things and make differences in ways that I could have never had impact.
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in my field or my job or my life before.
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And I think it s so important for us to just own who we are, live that truth out as best as we can, because we give permission to others to do the same.
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And we will have impact.
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Our story is much more than our success story.
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It s the significance of inspiring others to do things that they desire.
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Love that you ended on that because PassionStruck is really about how do you create a life of significance and that s exactly what we re trying to teach the listeners on how to do.
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Jen, if a listener wants to learn more about you and your story, where s the best place for them to go?
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Yeah, so check out my website, jennadrummond.com.
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You ll have access to buy the book.
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You ll see some of the little challenges that I put on.
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You ll have all my social media handles.
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Reach out, say hi, let me know what you re up to.
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It s my favorite thing about doing podcasts is meeting the people afterwards.
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Okay, and I ve got one fun question to end with.
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You have had so many significant achievements already.
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If NASA selected you,
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to be on the inaugural mission to Mars.
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And once you landed, you could set an edict for the future of humanity on the planet.
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Given what you ve gone through in your own life, what do you think would be the edict that you would want to set?
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I want to tell people to have fun.
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I don t know what your religious background is or what you believe, but we were created to not be so serious, not be so concerned, to not be so worried, to not be whatever.
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We re here to have this playground of a world and now playground of Mars to experience ourselves being human and taking care of one another.
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And I think the biggest thing that we re all missing in today s world is having that true, authentic fun.
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Well, Jen, thank you so much for joining us.
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It was an incredible honor and what an amazing book and journey.
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Thank you.
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I thoroughly enjoyed that interview with Jen Drummond.
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What an inspirational story.
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And I wanted to thank Jen and mango press for the honor of having her appear on today s show links to all things.
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Our interview focuses on the emotional causes and consequences of consumer financial decision-making with a particular emphasis on the behaviors, tight wads and spend thrifts.
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So the more activity we saw on the Insula, the less likely people were to buy the item.
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It was as if we were seeing this distress signal saying, stop, don t do it.
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And it was evidence in our mind that there is what is called a pain of paying.
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that kind of serves as the brakes, like the more distress we have, the less likely we are to spend.
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And we think tightwads are particularly saddled with this pain of paying this distress.
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