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 Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose.
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First of all, I just want to say a huge thanks to all of you who've gone out and ordered a copy of Think Like a Monk that has made it a number one New York Times bestseller.
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That's a real celebration for us.
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We're celebrating how wellness and wisdom is winning thanks to each and every single one of you.
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 And to celebrate that, this Friday, today, I wanted to share with you an episode that was a conversation between me and my good friend, Eva Longoria, who read the book and had a ton of great questions.
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And I thought you'd really appreciate some of the answers because sometimes when I'm having these very personal conversations, people ask a lot of thoughts and insights that I think will resonate with all of you.
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So I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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If you've got your book, make your notes.
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 scribble all over it, highlight away.
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And if you haven't already, you can grab a copy at thinklikeamonkbook.com.
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And when you do that, you can also get your free meditation guide because I'm doing the 20 days of meditations right now.
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So join in on Facebook and Instagram live whenever you can.
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Thanks so much.
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And I can't wait for you to hear my conversation with my good friend, Eva Longoria.
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Oh my God, Jay, you wrote a book!
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 You're so sweet.
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You've been supporting this book from when it just existed on a laptop.
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So I'm so grateful that you finally have the real thing in your home and in your hands.
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I'm so excited for everybody.
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I mean, everybody must know Jay.
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But if you don't know Jay, he's
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 The social media superstar.
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He's host of the number one podcast on purpose.
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I highly recommend it.
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It's one of my favorite podcasts.
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He has an amazing guests on there and your conversations with them, but everything from like Dennis Rodman to a neuro brain guy.
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 It's so great.
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And you can get so much wisdom from so many of these people.
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Jay's also been considered a monk for modern times.
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I love that.
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I read that article.
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It was so good.
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I don't know who wrote that.
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But yeah, no, I'm not a monk anymore.
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But I did live as a monk.
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And just like what you were saying,
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 when I wrote this book, Think Like a Monk, for me, it was, I just got fascinated by monks' minds.
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And after I lived as a monk, I read all these studies that showed that monks, from all traditions, have the calmest, happiest, and most compassionate brains in the world.
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And so when they did brain scans on monks, they found that they had the highest form of gamma waves.
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And I thought, wow, this is amazing.
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What if everyone could learn to think like that?
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 and have more compassion in their life, have more peace in their life, and have more purpose in their life.
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And not have to go to India for three years like you did, right?
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Yeah, yeah, this isn't a recruitment strategy for sure, this is not.
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At the end of this conversation we're not going to shave our heads and get into robes, right?
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Only Eva, only Eva's gonna.
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I might, I might.
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 But I'm so excited to talk to you about the book because I read it and I loved it.
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But like, you say, first of all, your introduction, not even why you became a monk, how you became a monk.
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You come from a family, like probably most families, where they're like, we paid for your education, you're going to go and get a good job.
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And then you had to tell them, hey, I'm going to go live as a monk.
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What was that?
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Because the introduction is so great.
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And you talk about, you know, the three options you had, which was lawyer, doctor, or failure.
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 Yeah, absolutely.
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And you know, my parents, my mom and dad have been very supportive of my crazy decisions as I got them more used to them.
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And they become more and more open as time went on.
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And I think that's the joy of parents that
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 Eva, you're amazing.
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You've won so many hats in your life.
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So you know what it's like to chase your dreams and do multiple things at different times.
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And my parents were very supportive, but the extended community and society had so many expectations, opinions and obligations.
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 And I had my own, and I think everyone in the world has theirs.
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And I was just saying to someone today that becoming a monk is almost like the ultimate rebellion, because it's like saying that this doesn't work, and I'm going to do it differently.
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And so whether you want to become a monk, or whether you want to be an artist, and no one in your family is an artist, or whether you want to be a author or a musician, and no one in your family has ever done that,
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 This book's written in a way to help you make that transition and that rebellion, because becoming a monk is just breaking the mold of society.
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And I think all of us are trying to break the mold.
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You broke the mold.
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And I think each and every one of us has a monk mindset inside of us.
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Well, this is the book, Think Like a Monk.
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When is it out, Jake?
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 It's out yesterday.
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It's out now.
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Yesterday!
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Oh my God.
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First of all, I love the cover.
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But in the book, you talk about, just generally, from a macro point of view, you talk about adopting the monk mindset is not only possible, it's necessary.
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In this day and age, and I find it ironic that you are a social media
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 star.
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It's like how much how do you reconcile that?
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I mean, I think it's because your goal was to make spirituality viral, right?
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Like, yeah, walk us through the reason why you wanted to write the book and make this for everybody to have.
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 Yeah, so when I went and learned all these principles, living as a monk, and I always described those three years like monk school.
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And then the last seven years since I've left, I left in 2013, we're in 2020 now.
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So the last seven years has been like the exam.
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So it's almost like everything I learned in school, I've been testing it every year.
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And now I felt like, oh, so much of it worked.
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And I want to share the parts of it that worked.
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 And when we talk about social media, to be honest, even the truth is that I was trying to do this in so many ways, whether it was speeches, whether it was working.
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I was coaching people.
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I was working with people directly.
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I was trying to pitch it to media companies.
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But when I started out trying to share these messages, no one really cared like no one was interested.
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And so I just used social media as a tool.
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It wasn't that I knew it or I knew that it would work or anything.
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I just didn't have any other options left.
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 And so that's kind of where I got to in life where I was like, no one really cares about what I'm talking about.
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So the only option I have is to try and use social media because it's free for everyone and you can create what you like.
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And I'm so grateful that everyone's responded with so much love.
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So, well, that just kind of gives you an idea of the thirst that people have for wisdom.
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And, you know, you say it in the book, like you went through this journey so that we could learn from it.
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I really think, feel like that was your purpose.
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 There's so many amazing chapters.
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There's like a purpose and intention and negativity and, and fear.
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And I feel like one of my favorite chapters was the intention because you talk about like there's different motivations for why you do things.
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It could be because of fear, you're scared to fail.
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So you're going to go do it or love or desire or duty.
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And I find like your intention for writing this book was so pure.
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Like it was just like, I have to tell people
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 about the monk perspective and how that wisdom that you learned is like thousands of years old and hasn't changed, right?
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Yeah, it hasn't changed.
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And even if you look at human challenges today, yes, I understand that technology is advanced.
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And yes, I understand that we're living in a different world.
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But at the same time, our challenges still remain.
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We all want to find love.
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 We all want to find a sense of purpose.
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No one wants negativity.
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Everyone wants more forgiveness in their life.
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Like the things we yearn for are still those human exchanges and interactions.
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And therefore I find that this perspective is so necessary, as you said today, because who doesn't want a world where we're more compassionate, more loving, more kind, but also more focused, more disciplined.
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 and more empowered to make a difference.
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I think that's something that we're all yearning for right now.
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Well, I think you have a great chapter on negativity and I want to touch on it a little bit because
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 Like, again, social media, so much of what we digest every day could be negative, whether it's negative comments or negative posts or, you know, even reading the news, you get just bombarded.
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And you and I have kind of some, a lot of the same mentors, Malcolm or Deepak or, you know, The Four Agreements was a book that I... Yeah, Don Quixote Ruiz.
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Don Quixote Ruiz, who talked about words have emotional poison.
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 And then when I was pregnant, I read Deepak's book about pregnancy and spirituality.
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And he said, be careful what you ingest, like be careful what is coming through.
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And you have a whole chapter on negativity and how when you were in the in the ashram.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah.
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The monastery.
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Yeah.
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The monastery that you got so used to no gossip.
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And then you go into the real world and it is.
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 everywhere and I feel like that is happening a lot with people like they want to fit in they want to gossip they want we all want like it's human nature right.
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It takes work to avoid negativity can you talk a little about that chapter because it's one of my favorite ones.
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 I started with this beautiful quote that I want to show up to everyone here.
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And it's from the Daisaku Ikeda, which is chapter two negativity in the book.
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And in it, it says, it is impossible to build one's own happiness on the unhappiness of others.
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And that's what that chapter is based on that quotes by Daisaku Ikeda.
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And, and that wisdom for me is just so powerful because I feel gossip.
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 or negatively talking about people.
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All we're trying to do is make ourselves feel a little bit better because someone else is struggling.
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But the problem with that mindset is that tomorrow you might be the one struggling and someone might be talking about you.
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And so if you're building your happiness on the unhappiness of others, then tomorrow someone's going to build their happiness on your unhappiness and the
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 cycle just goes on.
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Whereas when we realize, wait, I'm on my journey.
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You're on your journey.
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I've got lessons I need to learn.
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You've got lessons you need to learn.
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And actually one of the stories in there, Eva, that I don't know if you like this story, but I love it.
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It's an old parable in a Zen story of the evil king who comes to meet the good king.
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So the evil king comes to meet the good king.
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I won't give away the whole story.
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 But the point is that so many of the times we project our own insecurities and our own pains onto people around us, and that's a really harsh reality, but it's the only way to start avoiding this negative spiral.
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When you start talking bad about someone, it just keeps going and going and going.
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Well, but that ties in all the chapters tying together, but that ties into your identity chapter, right?
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 I feel like, well, you said, this is a quote from Identity, it's like, our self-image is tied up on how we think others see us.
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But most of our efforts at self-improvement are really just trying to meet that imagined ideal.
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So most of our efforts to be a better person or whatever isn't even for yourself.
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It's so, well, I hope they think I'm nice.
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I hope they think I'm a good person.
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I want my legacy to be that I'm a humanitarian.
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 working inward out, it's working outward in.
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And that quote, I love the one about, it's Cooley.
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I've lived by this quote.
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I love Cooley.
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I'm not what I think I am.
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I'm not what I think you think I am.
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I am what I think you think I am.
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I love that quote.
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Negativity and identity.
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And like we live in social constructs, right?
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Of like what people think we should be, whether women or sexuality or race.
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 that's so applicable right now.
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Talk about that.
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Yeah, I love that.
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I love how you're connecting it to what's happening in the world right now, because I think that's the most important part about this wisdom, that it's so relevant and so applicable.
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And yeah, I think the challenge is that we've all built up boxes and we try and put people into boxes to understand them.
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And the mind does that to make life easier, but actually it makes life harder because people are more diverse and people are more than the box and the label you put them in.
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 and and people want to be seen as more and people but because since we were young we were told to it was almost like stand in line you have to fit in and then all of a sudden as you grow up it's all about standing out right no one wants to fit in when they grow up when you're young you're told to fit in and so I find that a lot of what's needed is personal stillness and silence and space
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 to actually, well, what do I believe in?
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Who do I want to be for myself?
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And let me think about how to best express that rather than getting tied up in the noise.
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And I think this is something we have to do daily.
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It's not something you do once and then you're done with it.
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Like, I have to do this every day.
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My life is so different now to what it used to be.
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And I'm challenged with this every day.
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And, you know, we're always a work in progress.
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And you can't just say, OK, I'm done with that.
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I figured out who I am now.
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And she said, for toddlers, you have to meet them where they're at, right?
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Like if they're screaming because they want the toy, play with them with that toy and meet them where they're at.
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And I thought, that's for everybody.
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That's not for toddlers, that's for people.
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 right?
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Like I've met some people who were just rude and angry and I go, wow, I don't know what has made them to be in this space, but that's where they're at, right?
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So I'm going to accept that that's where that person's at.
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And then another time that person's not in that space and yeah, or not as evolved.
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And so meeting, I feel like identity has a lot to do with that.
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Like you have to,
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 some people just don't haven't figured it out yet and that's okay.
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Totally and I love what you're saying because we've all come from such different backgrounds and so what was normal in your culture may be totally abnormal in mine and what's not and I think that's the part that we we almost need to open up our minds to which is that compassion and non-judgment part of like let me really understand what this person's saying
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 And even if I disagree with them right now, let me at least understand it fully.
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I think sometimes we don't know the line between disagreement and understanding.
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Well, and I think if you can even tie that to what is happening right now in our country, the United States, but like in the world of tying to the ego chapter, right?
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I quote, but like we have such an ego about those boxes.
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 whether it's political parties or whether it's race or whatever it is, and it's so separating to us.
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So how could the monk mindset help us right now not do that?
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Don't judge people by the box.
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You put them in in your mind, you know?
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I think we have to strip away
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 the boxes and see people as humans.
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And we really have to see people and understand their background, understand why they made decisions.
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And why do we not do this?
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Because it's hard work.
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Because we want to be lazy.
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The mind wants the easy route, the shortcut, the fast way out to be like, oh, I saw you do that.
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OK, you're not a good person.
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 oh, I saw you do that, you're a bad person.
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And the point is, no one's inherently good or bad.
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You know, we have Nelson Mandela talk about that.
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Nelson Mandela would say that if people can be taught to hate, then they can be educated for love.
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And you know, it's like that we're taught to hate, right?
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We're trained to hate.
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And I think that that's what the ego does so much is that it makes you feel safe by hating someone else.
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 rather than looking into yourself and trying to understand.
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So I really believe that the more we can listen to conversations where you just understand someone's humanity, not even their ideas, not their thinking, not their thought leadership, but just who they are as a human.
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And I've been doing that.
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I've interviewed some people lately on the podcast, and Dennis Rodman's a good example, and so many others who, I like basketball, but I don't know that much.
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I'm a soccer fan, and you know that I'm a big football fan.
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 I don't know that much about basketball, so when I sat down with Dennis Rodman, my fascination is not basketball, my fascination is humanity.
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It's who, what makes him him.
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Correct, exactly.
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And I feel like if we can train ourselves, and that's the monk mindset, the monk mindset looks at everyone without their labels, without their ideologies, and just looks at the humanity inside that person.
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And when you start there, then you can really have a conversation that penetrates someone's heart.
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 it so great and she was talking about the martyr victim like she was like I thought I didn't have an ego because I was so you know I was the victim how could I have an ego and it was like the same thing like so yeah it shows up it manifests in different ways
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 Yeah, I remember her saying that from that conversation, she was, you know, we were talking about how the ego either makes you think you're the best, or it makes you think you're the worst.
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And so it's like, I have the worst life, I have it worst, I have the worst career, the worst family, the worst partner, like, it's like, my situation is the worst.
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And that's, again, the egos competing to be the worst.
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 And so just as the ego competes to be the best, the reverse, the false ego, competes to be the worst.
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And the truth is that all of us, I think Robin Roberts said this, and she said, you know, if we threw all of our problems into a pile and we looked at them, we'd grab ours right back.
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And it's that, you know, Robin, I just thought that's such a unique perspective that, yeah, if you actually looked at everyone's problems in the same place, you'd just be like, oh, yeah, like, mine are actually probably a bit better than a lot of people's problems.
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Yeah, I think that
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 Here's the thing I also want people to know that you're not saying is a monk mindset means no ambition, no dreams, no competition.
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Like that's not what the book is saying.
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And so I think sometimes people might go, well, come on.
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I mean, I want to have a nice car.
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I want to have a house one day.
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Like you explain it so well in the book, but, but talk about how that doesn't mean that.
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Yeah.
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Thank you for noticing that subtlety because
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 I'm so glad you're solving that misconception, because a lot of people say that to me.
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They're like, Jay, but you live in LA now, and you're married, and you have a home.
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And I'm like, yeah, I'm not telling you to live like a monk.
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I'm saying that there are certain mindsets of how a monk thinks about things.
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So the first thing that we understood as monks is that nothing is good or bad.
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Everything is given meaning by how you use it.
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 So if I take, for example, this microphone that I have here, this is the microphone we recorded our podcast on, and the microphone's not good or bad, it's given meaning by how I use it.
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I can either stand here and say really hateful, hurtful things towards people, or we could be asking questions about humanity and compassion and love.
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And similarly, social media is not good or bad, it's how you use it.
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 Some people are using it to pull people down.
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Some people are using it to pull people up.
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So as a monk, you realize that money is just energy, that fame, power are just energy, that resources, access are just energy.
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And all of us have a choice every day to use our energy to lift people up or pull people down.
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And so it's not about not having it.
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It's about what you do when you get it.
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 yeah and that's the key part and that's what shows detachment so people think detachment means indifference but detachment doesn't mean indifference detachment is a beautiful statement by a islam i love the concept of detachment please talk about it
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 So there's a beautiful statement by an Islamic teacher, Al Shafi, and he says that detachment doesn't mean that you own nothing.
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Detachment means that nothing owns you.
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And what that means is that it doesn't mean you can't have the car or you can't have the house and you can't have the career.
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It's that those things don't own you.
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You're engaging with them to serve and support as many other people as you can.
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And so the monk mindset can actually help you become more focused and disciplined
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 And again, going back to what you said before, purifying your intention.
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If your intention is just to be rich and famous, there's enough rich and famous people that will tell you that that's not worth it.
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The intention chapter, that's where you have the Y letter.
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And I remember, God, it was before COVID, way before COVID.
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Jay and I met, we went for lunch.
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 And I was having a rut in a question in my life.
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And I was like, Jay, so I need to figure out what questions I need to ask myself, because I got to figure out if I really want to do that, if I want to go this way.