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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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I went through a period of feeling a dark cloud on me, like constantly.
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It was like the lowest time ever.
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So I just stayed in bed all weekend, like literally didn t leave my bed.
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All the curtains were closed, like just dark time.
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And I remember listening to a Jay Shetty podcast.
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And it was like your mental health ingredients list or something along those lines.
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Like, you have to write down what is going to make you feel good and what is going to get you through this time.
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So I wrote this, like, manically.
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I was like, okay, waking up early, doing this, doing that, hot and cold therapy, whatever.
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Meditation, Pilates, and then literally that next day, I just stuck to this routine every single day.
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It s so great when you record an episode and you re like, this episode is going to hit.
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And this is one of those episodes.
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When we recorded this, I looked at Michael after and I m like, the audience is just going to not only love the episode, but love Bryony.
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Bryony Deary is on the Skinny Confidential Him and Her podcast today, and she is letting us in in all the ways.
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She talks about an accident that she went through when she was 17.
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She talks about trauma that she experienced during COVID.
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She s so open.
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She s so raw.
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And she also gives us the juice on all the questions that we want to know.
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We talk about exercise, beauty, diet, fitness,
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She is the founder of a health and fitness app that is very, very famous, especially in the UK.
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It s called Pilates by Brian E. She is also a co-founder of the brand Cloudsha.
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It s a matcha brand and it is delicious, let me tell you.
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On that note, Brian E, welcome to the show.
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This is the skinny confidential, him and her.
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I actually found you, and I haven t told you this, through Kenzie Burke.
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Oh, yes.
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She had posted, like, that she was working out with you, and I clicked, and I just found your page so soothing and calm and serene.
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I liked your voice.
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I just liked your vibe.
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Thank you.
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But I want to know about you before all of this.
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So where did you grow up?
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What was your childhood like?
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Talk about that.
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Okay, so I grew up in England, obviously.
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And it was kind of like quite a, I don t know, quite a normal family upbringing.
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My parents both worked really, really hard.
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So my mom, my mom was super successful.
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She, I like, I really remember from my childhood, her being so driven and hardworking.
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That s kind of like, it s always stayed with me.
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I had quite a normal childhood and then so shy.
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I only found my confidence when I was maybe 27, 28.
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So I was so shy in that whole time.
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Why?
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Like painfully shy.
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I had a, this is like jumping, but I actually had a swimwear business quite a few years ago and I remember like I would do a breakfast to launch it and there would be like 10 people there and I could cry at the thought of getting up and saying thank you for them to come, for coming.
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I have no idea.
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I just was, I wasn t insecure.
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I was just...
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or I don t know that it was from an insecurity.
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I think I was just, my brother was very intelligent.
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He was like a child genius, but didn t work for it.
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So everything came very natural to him.
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Whereas I had to kind of work a bit harder and I still wasn t very bright in school, wasn t super smart.
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So maybe that was in me and I was kind of overcompensating or just not super confident.
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And then I literally only found my confidence like recently.
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It says here that you got in an accident at 17.
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Does that have to do with the shyness starting at 18 and what happened?
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Yeah, maybe.
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So I had a, that s kind of how I got into Pilates.
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I had a car accident when I was nearly 18 and I had to wear a neck brace.
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It was a big car accident.
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Not cute wearing that neck brace.
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So I twisted my pelvis, my neck, which I was just in so much pain.
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Yeah.
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They had to basically scoop me out of this car on a spinal board.
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Yeah.
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It was, it was not good.
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And I d obviously just passed my driving test.
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So excited and everything.
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Oh, that s the worst.
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Yeah, it was so bad.
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And then Pilates wasn t really a thing then.
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So no one, like it wasn t when like that many years ago, the people doing Pilates were like 70 years old only.
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And it was more of like a rehab kind of type, type of a thing.
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So then I was in so much pain.
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I was actually taking Tramadol.
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I don t know if you ve ever taken it before, but I was prescribed Tramadol, which was insane.
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I lost so much weight.
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I couldn t eat anything.
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I think it gave me some form of depression.
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Anyway, so I had this terrible pain.
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I was taking Tramadol every day.
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And then I had to come off Tramadol, obviously.
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Is it a pain medication or is it like a. It s kind of like on your way to morphine, I guess.
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Okay.
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Pain medication.
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Yeah.
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Then I had to actually go on antidepressants because when I came off the tramadol, I just couldn t sleep.
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I mean, I was literally wide awake, wired all night, like downstairs doing things at home.
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I couldn t sleep.
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I d lost so much weight.
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And then I had to go on these antidepressants.
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I, when I would fall asleep, I would, you know, when you like jump yourself awake,
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But it was it was worse than that.
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It was like almost like a mini kind of attack waking me up So anyway, I went on these tablets and at the same time I discovered Pilates so the doctors were all telling me you have to do Pilates you have to strengthen your core and Yeah, that s kind of how I got into it.
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But
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The Pilates that I was doing then was in this rehab center in the hospital.
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It wasn t like a super vibey Pilates studio.
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I just completely got hooked on Pilates, healing my body.
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But it wasn t at that time a thing that I would stay consistent with because no one else was doing it.
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And when you re 18, you just want to do things your friends are doing.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Totally.
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What s so interesting to me about all of this is that your doctor in, is it the UK?
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Yeah.
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Tells you you need to do Pilates.
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In America, that would never happen.
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Really?
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No.
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No, no, no.
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How come?
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What would they suggest?
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Here s a pill.
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Okay.
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Well, I guess I want to say it was on tablets.
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Not every doctor, Puck.
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Not every doctor.
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Majority of doctors did not suggest Pilates in America.
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OK, well, I guess I was lucky because actually a couple of doctors suggested it.
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They said you have to go.
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And basically, if your core is strong, your back is going to be more protected, more supported.
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Yeah and then I basically went from being in terrible pain like tears every single day obviously wearing this neck brace on pain medication to like zero pain.
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Wow.
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But then I was just being 18 like okay I ve cured myself I m good now like I ll just do something else.
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And obviously you have to keep working at it.
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So then I would try other forms of exercise.
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Like, I don t know, there was like a spin hype at one point or like a Barry s or whatever.
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And I couldn t work out why I still had this pain and I wasn t feeling good and I was getting so inflamed, so puffy.
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And then I kept kind of finding myself going back to Pilates.
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And then I got diagnosed with arthritis quite soon after.
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just kind of after I had healed myself.
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What is that from?
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So it s, it can be hereditary, which it is in my case, and my mom has it, my grandma has it, my auntie has it, so, but I was so young when I got diagnosed, but I literally couldn t tie my hair up.
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My fingers were so painful.
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I couldn t put my hair in a hairband, couldn t pull, like, I remember in my house at the time I had, like, pulley light switches, I couldn t grip.
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So arthritis makes it just basically your, I know it takes your grip strength, right?
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And it takes some of your hand function, right?
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But what else does it do?
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So it basically, I ve got rheumatoid arthritis, so it attacks different joints.
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So my body was creating a liquid that was basically kind of attacking itself, if that makes sense.
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And how do you manage that?
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At the time they hadn t actually diagnosed me, but that s what it was.
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And they were like, we ll just give you a cortisone injection and it ll be fine.
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So I had a cortisone injection, obviously, and I was like, Oh great, it s cured.
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And it was obviously short term, but then it came back and it was honestly, my fingers were like sausages.
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They were huge.
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And they had like red bumps all over them.
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Then they just didn t know what it was, but they had, they had just like masked it with the cortisone injection.
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Fast forward to when I went to Switzerland, I then went to a specialist because it got so bad in the cold without doing all the things I do now, it got so bad.
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So then I went to this arthritis specialist and she said it s like severe arthritis and you need to take injections every month.
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So do you still take injections?
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No, I ve never taken them.
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So then I was like, okay, even though I have tattoos, my parents are always like, you re not scared of needles, you have tattoos.
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But it s a different kind of needle.
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It s kind of scared.
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I get it.
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I couldn t do it myself either.
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I had to do it myself.
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So I was thinking, and the thought of like a family member doing it.
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So I thought, no, I m going to just try and heal some other way.
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That s when I kind of started doing the saunas and all of that kind of stuff.
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So I stopped dairy.
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Also at the same time, I had severe acne.
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So I had arthritis, covered in spots, quite like a, not a look.
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Setting the scene.
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Yeah, so I had acne and I also had this arthritis.
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So I was thinking, okay, maybe I m getting just, maybe I have such bad levels of inflammation in my body.
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So i went to hormone specialist and she was like your inflammation in your body is through the roof like i ve never seen this this level in the clinic.
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So then i m thinking okay like this this isn t good so basically i cut out dairy completely cut out me i went so extreme so cut out me.
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dairy and I occasionally ate fish and that was it.
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I still had gluten, but yeah, I did that for, it was only recently that I added a little bit of meat in.
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And it s funny when you talk about mince because my craving is burger, which is obviously mince.
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Like it s wild.
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Everyone thought I was pregnant.
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I was thinking, I need to know where I can get my next burger.
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What is mince?
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Mince is what you eat.
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What do you call it?
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Ground beef.
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I m going to call it mince now.
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I was obsessed with mince out of the blue and I hadn t eaten any meat for like seven years.
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And then one day I was singing.
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find a burger somewhere.
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And how did it go, like, adding meat back into your system after you hadn t had it, like, at all?
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Honestly, like, I went all in.
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I didn t even ease myself in.
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We d literally just had brunch.
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I was actually in Copenhagen at the time.
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We d just finished brunch.
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I said to my boyfriend, I was like, can we go and get a burger?
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And he s like,
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We ve just eaten brunch, how are you hungry?
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He s like great, and he gets to wear another outfit though.
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Yeah, he puts his other outfit on.
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So yeah, I had like a full-blown burger straight away and I had no reactions, no bad reactions.
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I think though when you have
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when you have arthritis and you re so, when you were so young and you have all this inflammation, I can understand why you would be so extreme to cut everything out and then add it back in slowly to see what your intolerances were.
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Looking back, can you pinpoint what those were?
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Well, dairy really had an impact on my acne.
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What kind of dairy was, were you mostly?
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So I, because I was in Switzerland, that s like their diet is basically dairy and meat.
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So I had to kind of cut everything out, but like cheese, milk, cream.
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I also cut out eggs.
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So I was just trying like manically trying everything and anything.
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I even went on roacutane and it didn t work twice.
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And roacutane is, do you call it roacutane?
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I think we call it accutane.
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Accutane, yeah.
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It s so strong.
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It is strong, huh?
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I haven t heard a lot about it, what people s experience, but I ve heard it is so strong.
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They put a lot of young kids on it too, right?
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What are the reactions to that?
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You get crazy dry lips, like they re like bleeding.
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Oh, that ain t gonna work for us.
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I need those lips moving.
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I can t have some chappy, ashy lips.
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It s seriously like cracked, bleeding lips.
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You get dry eyes.
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A lot of people feel depressed.
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I didn t really know the difference between having depression because I was covered in spots or feeling low on the, you know what I mean?
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I know what it s like.
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Pick your poison.
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For me, it just didn t work.
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During the time I was on it, it worked.
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You never get a single spot when you re taking it.
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And then some people never get a spot back.
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Like my brother went on it and never had another spot ever again.
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I don t see a spot on your skin, though.
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No, I do have spots.
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I don t see a spot.
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OK, maybe it s the microphone.
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You guys go watch the YouTube.
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There s no spots.
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Also, Carson, this has to be noted.
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This is not a spot.
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My son scratched my face.
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That s a spot.
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He grabbed me the other day and just dug his ears in there.
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You have also shavings from your beard all over your t-shirt.
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It looks like you shaved your pubes.
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I don t know what s going on.
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That is not hot.
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I knew you were going to be on camera today.
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By the way, cut our kid s fingernail.
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We ll keep going.
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How do you decide to start a swim line?
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So I, oh another thing about my childhood I guess is I had done every single job under the sun.
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Like anything you can think of I had done it.
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I d worked in a Chinese restaurant, in makeup, all these different things.
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I actually worked in makeup when I was having the arthritis so that was a problem.
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I couldn t pick up the brushes, everything.
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It was this whole thing.
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And yeah, and then I went to media.
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So I worked for the New York Times Magazine, Cosmopolitan, all these different magazines.
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And I met this guy, my ex, who I moved to Switzerland for.
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So he was like, come to Switzerland with me, you know, we ll figure out when you get here.
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But I loved working.
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So I was thinking, okay,
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I ve just come from working in Cosmopolitan, this like fun fashion magazine.
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And now I m in, it wasn t even like Zurich, which is probably the London of Switzerland.
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It was like this small town in Switzerland.
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So I just thought, okay, I m going to do this swimwear brand.
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So that s when I created it then.
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And how did you even go about that?
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Oh, I, I literally just sat at my, my dining table, found everything, Googled everything.
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I was like Googling like anything you can possibly think of.
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I was typing into Google.
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I knew nothing.
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I was so.
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naive but I think sometimes it s good to be naive because had I not had I known what I knew I knew afterwards I would never have done it.
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Well I think the it s the swim line is so interesting to me because I think it probably gave you a lot of tools to where you are now because even when I see your Instagram like you re doing a lot of
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similar things that you just said.
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Like I see you doing dye lines and like I can see you coming out with your own workout line and you have this platform.
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So it s almost like you had to get through the swim line to get to the other side to your own brand.
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Yeah, completely.
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I feel like the swimwear company was like the practice run.
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Do you know what I mean?
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So I made loads of expensive mistakes.
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I did some
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achieved some really cool things as well.
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I mean, I was stocked in Harvey Nichols.
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I had like 19 stores in the UAE that I was stocked in.
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We did some cool things, but it was
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I think you have to be completely into it, invested in what you do.
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Obviously you guys know that.
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And I just wasn t really that into it.
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I think I just liked the idea and yeah.
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What was the moment of self-awareness where you were like, I don t want to be doing this, this isn t the right direction for me and how did you pivot?
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I m trying to think what moment it was because it was quite gradual.
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I started at the same time, I started corporate wellness business.
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So I still had the swimwear, then I launched this corporate wellness business that was basically taking loads of therapists and meditation practitioners, yoga, pilates teachers and obviously
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supplying them to offices in London.
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Yeah, it was so cool.
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I loved it.
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And then COVID hit basically, all the offices closed.
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Yeah, it wasn t kind of like a harsh ending because I kept it going the whole time until then.
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I was just like, you could probably even look on the website now.
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Everything s just out of stock.
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You just slowly kind of wound it down.
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Yeah, there was never like, I m pretty sure it s still alive.
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So then how do you move into this corporate wellness situation and your swim to what you re doing now?
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What did COVID make you stop and look at what you were doing and dissect it and be like, this is the path that I need to be on?
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Yes.
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So we obviously were hiring this kind of like amazing group of people in London to then provide them to different business like Barclays and LinkedIn and all these different places.
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So I wanted to know that people were like really on it, really good.
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So I, I, we were obviously trying to look for yoga teachers and Pilates teachers.
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And I was thinking.
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I really want to do this.
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I could do this myself.
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So, but just for myself, I had no intention with the business, but I just thought I m going to take my certification now because I ve been doing it for so long.
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I think I can just do it for myself as a hobby, as like kind of an achievement.
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So that kind of spurred me on to do that.
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Then we went into lockdown and all the offices closed.
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So our business went to zero like overnight.
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Did London go into full lockdown?
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Full lockdown.
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So like one day to the next, no one was going into their offices.
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No one was like leaving their house.
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It was intense.
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And how long did that stay like that?
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For like pretty much a year.
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When did we get over there last?
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We went over there and it was still kind of going on.
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I don t remember.
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It must have been a while since you guys have been to London.
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Yeah, maybe 21.
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I could use a London trip.
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Yes.
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It definitely wasn t at the end of 2020.
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I have a question in the midst of what you re telling me.
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Were you taking Pilates and into Pilates all the time?
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Is that how this transpired?
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Yes.
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So I was always going back.
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I would do like a hype at like a hype class or a different exercise.
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And then I d be like, OK, that s not working for me.
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Go back to Pilates.
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Because it raises your cortisol.
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Yeah.
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This is so weird.
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I feel like it makes me gain weight.
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Because that s like raising my cortisol, raising my cortisol.
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Yeah, completely.
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And because my inflammation levels were already so high, it was just through the roof.
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So I was doing all these different things and then finding myself going back to Pilates.
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So I just thought, okay, I just... And then anytime I was kind of needing to, I don t know, also kind of as a mindfulness practice for myself, just to calm myself down, I would go back to Pilates.
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Or if I was going through a challenging time, I d go back.
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So then I took my certification and then we decided to create this online portal for our corporate clients.
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So we got all of our practitioners to record for us and we did like this kind of makeshift homemade app, but it wasn t an app, like a website of videos for them to like subscribe their employees to.
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It kind of didn t really work.
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I mean, they liked the idea, but it just, there s so many options out there.
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So they were just like, no.
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So basically income went to zero.
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Then my mom got diagnosed with cancer.
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So I m like, OK, I ve got no money.
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My mom is now really sick.
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And so my mom and dad are separated, but they get on really well.
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So for lockdown, me, my mom, and my dad all moved in together.
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So I was looking after my mom, my dad.
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I hope Salsa does that.
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You re so sweet.
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You were looking after your mom.
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Yeah, but now I look back, I just think it s some of the most special times.
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It s just so funny.
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My dad was online dating and you know that, you know, you could only meet up in supermarkets during COVID.
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Oh, he was online dating during COVID.
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My dad would like meet.
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You couldn t go anywhere besides the supermarket.
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You couldn t go anywhere besides the supermarket.
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So my dad would be like, I m just meeting Sally in Waitress.
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Which in hindsight- By the way, we re not going to be living in a house together with Zaza and you re meeting girls at the supermarket.
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I ll be like, listen.
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I ll be like, shh, shh.
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Meet me at the H-E-B.
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I ll be the guy in the hat and the jacket.
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So was your mom fine with him meeting Sally at the supermarket?
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So fine.
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Like me, he would do these Zoom calls and they were like Zoom dates.
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It s actually just heartbreaking.
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So me and my mom would, he would like go into his office and do these Zoom calls.
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with his date online.
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He s actually going to kill me for saying this.
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I think it s so sweet.
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And then me and my mom will creep up the stairs and hear him going like, so Lisa, what kind of music are you interested in?
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I picture your dad as like a super suave English gentleman in a suit.
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Is that like, am I picturing the right guy?
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Yeah, that s kind of the vibe.
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What was it like when you were- I mean, he definitely thinks so.
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I feel like he would be like dressed up for that Zoom, you know?
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Are you picturing yourself?
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No, I swear to you he would be wearing like shorts and then a shirt.
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Yeah.
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That was the vibe.
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And so my mom was just, just finding it so funny.
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And he d show my mom like, what do you think of this woman, Suzanne?
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And what do you, and she was like, oh, she looks lovely.
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And I was just listening to these conversations.
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And then anyway, he, then obviously my mom started her treatment and he was like, I m definitely not dating or online dating anymore.
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Like it s just about that.
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But anyway, so we live together in lockdown and this is kind of like,
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I feel like I went really deep on health and wellness during that time because my mom was so sick and she she just taught me so much in that time but she was she was obviously really struggling she was having chemo every week normally you have it once a month she was having every week and she s just so strong so I was googling every possible thing that I could give her and I discovered chaga which was like
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I mean, you can t say the claims because who really knows, but I read that it was anti-cancer and it was just the new thing, so I d be like... You re saying that about a lot of mushrooms now.
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It s crazy.
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I know you can t say it.
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I m saying it.
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It s anti-immunogenic.
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SPEAKER_00
Of course you re saying it.
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Lauren s like, I m saying it.
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But I swear, it was just incredible.
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And I think, actually, if you re going to go down the mushroom and the chaga route, I was brewing her homemade chaga.
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Like, I would get the stones.
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I don t know if you ve seen, like, obviously, you can get the powder, add it in.
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I was, like, doing back to basics because I thought that was the most potent thing.
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So you have to brew it for hours.
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So I would do this every day and literally spoon feed her.
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And she would be like, Briony, I hate this.
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This tastes like shit.
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I m like, Mom,
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It s fine.
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So I d add cacao to it, maple syrup.
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I d try and make it a bit nicer.
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So I, and then I was researching like oregano oil, all these different things that I could give her and try and then only organic cooking every single meal from scratch.
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And yeah, so that s when I really went all in with health and wellness routine, everything.
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What is that like for your mental health to be in your house during COVID with both your parents?
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Your mom has cancer and you re trying to help her.
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That s a lot of pressure.
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Yeah.
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So I, it was, it, I don t want to say it was so hard because it s like, it was not about me.
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It s about her, but I found it so difficult to what I really want.
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I wished I had it, not her.
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I just couldn t bear, bear going through it with her.
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So I kind of got, or went through a period, I don t want to say I got depression because I don t think I got depression, but I went through a period of feeling a dark cloud on me, like constantly.
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And I would just burst into tears and I never cried.
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Like my boyfriend s seen me cry once.
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I never, never cry.
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And I was just constantly crying.
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So weak, no energy.
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And so I was like, okay.
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I had this one weekend where I went to, so my mom has an apartment in London.
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It s probably like against the lockdown rules, but whatever.
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She had an apartment in London.
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So I said to my dad, please, can you just go and stay at mom s?
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I just need to be alone for the whole weekend.
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And I was, it was like the lowest time ever.
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So I just stayed in bed all weekend, like literally didn t leave my bed.
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All the curtains were closed.
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dark time and I remember listening to a Jay Shetty podcast and it was like your mental health ingredients list or something along those lines like you have to write down what is going to make you feel good and what is going to get you through this time.
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So I wrote this like manically I was like,
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Okay, waking up early, doing this, doing that, hot and cold therapy, whatever.
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So meditation, Pilates, and then literally that next day, I just stuck to this routine every single day.
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For how long?
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For the whole time, like kind of even until now.
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I think that time was interesting because I think people were struggling for an assortment of reasons.
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Yours is an extreme reason, but I feel like people either went super into mental health and physical health or they went the other direction, unfortunately.
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And I just said, fuck it, let the wheels fall off.
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Yeah, there was.
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There was two camps.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I m not saying that to make anybody feel bad.
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I just like it s in our case, same thing.
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I was like, OK, there s this is the time to get your health in order.
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Right.
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Like you had downtime.
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We just had a kid.
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But it was weird because it s almost like
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to your point, there was two camps.
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And if you were so health focused and then people you knew were focused in the other direction or just were putting that as like a non-priority anymore, I feel like you got to see a lot of people go down the spiral and get unhappier, more stressed and more anxious.
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And then the other people that kind of put the other stuff as a priority kind of went the other direction and got better after it.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Like sometimes I honestly miss it.
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Yeah, which is such a weird thing to say, but I see that I think I get what you re saying the end of it.
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I felt I mean, I was ready obviously to come out of lockdown, but I felt I just had this new outlook on life and actually my mom watching my mom go through this I think
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has given me this superpower where I just don t feel nerves like I used to, or nothing really scares me like it used to because nothing actually matters that much more than your health.
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Yeah.
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And I think that s so true.
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And taking it a step beyond that, when you see somebody you love that s sick, so you have a kid or a parent or whatever,
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It takes a lot to rattle you and other things that aren t as significant.
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Like for example, if I m running a business, but I ve seen a parent get sick or a grandparent die or my kid gets sick, like somebody saying, Hey, the numbers are off or P and L or this person quit or this or like, it doesn t, it just is like, okay.
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Because comparing it against something that really matters, not saying the business doesn t matter, but.
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It s like water off a duck s back.
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You re just more resilient to those things.
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You re just like, okay.
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You just, do you stay calm and.
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you, you kind of feel like you ll find a solution.
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Yeah.
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It s why I think it s good for people to go through.
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I mean, it s, it s inevitable, but to go through a traumatic or terrible thing at some point, because you develop, it puts things that maybe aren t as significant in perspective and it helps you focus on what s really important.
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I really relate to you.
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I lost my mom at 18 and, and ever since then, I have that same mentality that you have where it s like, it s just not that big of a deal.
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Yeah.
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Nothing is a big deal.
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And so when you can have that, it is a superpower.
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As hard as it is to go through, it s like you really can sort of use it to your advantage.
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Yeah.
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How is your mom today?
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She s much better.
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Thank you.
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Yes, she s doing much better.
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So is she still eating your mushrooms?
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No, she s not.
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I think that s the best part.
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She s like, I don t ever want to see those mushrooms ever again.
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But yeah, she s loads better.
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And actually, she s doing Pilates like seven days a week.
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It s crazy.
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She had no strength whatsoever.
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So when she was doing her treatment, her bones were so sensitive.
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She couldn t like stand up off the floor kind of thing.
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And now she s like doing my challenges and it s just so, honestly, it s incredible.
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And I feel like it is so healing movement in that kind of scenario.
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Like every day she would go, she would force me to go with her for a walk for two hours every day.
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And I m like, how do you have that drive, that energy?
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You could so easily say, I said to her, I was like, do you ever think why me?
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She was like, no, I never think why me because
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I would never wish this on someone else.
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And it, like, makes me emotional thinking about how her mindset just was incredible.
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Completely and I think self-pity like feeds itself doesn t it grows and it s kind of just this Toxic disease in itself and yeah, she definitely taught me.
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I mean she would she would walk home from chemo She would do four hours of chemo and walk an hour and a half home straight from the hospital.
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I m just like It s amazing.
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It s probably healing to be outside to walk to move.
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I mean, we all have those moments, but I think, yeah, the lesson that I ve learned in all of that is that you just have to have resilience and mindset.
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Okay?
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And it s really good.
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Who s it by?
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love see i read her books really saved me in that time i keep telling everyone i m like please just buy this two dollar book i know so healing i think i read them all he ll heal your life heal your mind heal your body whatever was healing i was fine
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When you re going through a tough time or you re feeling depressed, reading is the best thing ever.
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Yeah.
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And not because of many reasons people think.
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It s great to get the information, but I think what I found is reading is the only thing that s able to take me out of my own head and put me in somebody else s to get it in perspective.
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Yeah, that s interesting.
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You know what I mean?
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We re going through the day, the mind is crazy, and you re just thinking all your own thoughts, but when you read, you re thinking somebody else s thoughts, and it helps you like literally if you re going to take your mind out of your own head and put it somewhere else.
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You look outside yourself.
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Yeah.
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And you kind of absorb all of those thoughts and yeah, it s so good reading.
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Sometimes you meet people that don t read and I m like, oh, you re missing out on so much.
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Such a big part.
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You know what I call those people?
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No, Michael, don t even.
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You re missing out on a huge part of life if you don t read.
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I love it.
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I think it s amazing.
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And there s so much, I mean, obviously you pay for books, but there s so much free content now that you can just, that we have access to.
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It s such a shame to not do that.
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I m not going to say what I call those people.
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It s not good.
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What point do you start aggressively posting on Instagram and when you were having this low where you re in your bed, you re in your house, the curtains are closed, did you have this idea conceptualized or was this something that you sort of just fell into naturally?
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So not at all.
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I am.
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During COVID, I was just teaching friends on Zoom or FaceTime, whatever.
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We re kind of just like working out together.
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It wasn t like a thing.
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I wasn t saying, guys, I m practicing.
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I m going to be a teacher now.
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It wasn t like that at all.
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I think my mind was just completely
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on my mom and on health and wellness and just being strong basically.
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So then we came out of lockdown.
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I think it was March 21.
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This is also quite funny.
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I was broke, like completely broke in lockdown right until
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I didn t teach my first online class until May 21, group class.
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I like that you re honest about this because so many people come on and they don t tell that part.
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No, I ll tell you so many things.
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I was so broke.
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I went to go and get night nurse, which is basically like a night paracetamol.
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One night I had like a cold or whatever.
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This is just, just as we were going into lockdown and my car declined and it was like 699.
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I was really broke.
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I mean, luckily I have my parents to stay with and, you know, and then the government was doing all these different grants and things, but because my business was so young, they weren t supporting.
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Like it was under the, whatever the threshold was.
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So then they were giving me 400 pounds a month.
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That was the support.
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So I was like, okay, well, I ll take it.
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And then when we came out of lockdown, I was like, okay, I m just gonna.
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slowly, but surely start teaching people privately and be able to afford rent to move back to London.
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Then the government called me and was like, Oh, by the way, we ve just discovered you have a savings account.
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That s just, just over the threshold.
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So we actually need you to pay all that money back.
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I know I, and it was something like 6,000.
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I like my world was over and this was 2021.
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I remember calling my mom.
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I was like, mom, they re coming.
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I was on the phone to, I think it s HMRC, I was on the phone to them, I was going, so you re telling me I ve been smart with my money and I ve saved and you re punishing me like I really was so passionate about it.
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Anyway, so I had nothing, so I had to build from the ground up, then I taught my first
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group class in May 21.
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So yeah, that was like not long ago.
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No, it wasn t long ago.
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And I think what s so impressive is you re going from broke where you have to pay the government $6,000 to where you are now.
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I mean, there s a lot of hard work that s happened.
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What have you done?
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If someone s listening and they re in a position where they feel broke, they feel helpless.
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Yeah.
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What you ve done in the last three years is incredible.
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So talk to us about how you started, how you launched the steps, all the tools that you ve used to build up your business and yourself.
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So I started on Zoom, which is like the cost of a Zoom membership is nothing.
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I also had a booking system, which was 40 pounds a month.
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So I literally had that, my tripod and a mat, and I did all my classes from my kitchen floor.
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because I might have had a studio apartment.
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So if you re in the fitness industry, there is no excuse not to start.
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You can start from nothing and you can just gift your time.
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You could work a full-time job and then on Monday nights and Wednesday nights do an hour class
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get people to sign up, pay, and that can be your side hustle and you can build up like that.
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I had 10 people in my first Zoom class.
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I was so nervous.
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I always say I felt like I was like going live in Wembley Arena.
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It was that
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serious that first Zoom class.
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I was thinking, oh my God, I was like overthinking everything, checking everything.
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And then it just started to snowball and I gifted my time.
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So I gifted a couple of people.
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I remember Nadine Leopold was one of my first clients.
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She is the client that kind of turned things around for me.
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I had met her briefly in passing once.
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She was a Victoria s Secret angel.
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She s just beautiful, such a nice person and I taught her.
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said, please can I just teach you?
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And you know, she had nothing to lose.
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And then from then it snowballed.
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So then I got her, I trained her sister-in-law, Jenna Zoe, who you guys have met.
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Yeah.
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She came on the podcast.
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You like Jenna?
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Yeah.
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I love Jenna.
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She s one of my best friends.
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Jenna then introduced me to Kenzie.
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You know, it all has this knock on effect and it can happen so quickly.
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Like if you re passionate and you re hardworking and you have a good product or your service, whatever you re doing, it can happen so quickly, the snowball effect.
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So then people were sharing and I think I m lucky that Pilates is a bit of a trend.
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So people want to post them doing Pilates in the morning.
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And then my Zoom classes were 100 people every time consistently.
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Wow.
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So then I was like, okay, because I remember seeing, joining some Zooms in lockdown of other trainers and then, because I love business, my mind is so business focused.
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So I joined this Pilates class and this girl had like 60 people and I was thinking, wow, like this is a real business she s doing.
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So then I was getting 100 and then I thought, okay,
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I need to do a January challenge because January is the time to really capture everyone s attention, really go all in.
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So I was on holiday with my mom actually, and I said to her, and I was doing well cause I had private clients and I had the Zoom and I would only take a private client on if they did 10 sessions a month.
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I wouldn t do any less.
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Smart.
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Because I thought I, I want quality over quantity.
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If they do 10 sessions with me a month,
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their bodies will completely change.
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So I was training people that had just had a baby and then all of a sudden they were, they had the best bodies of their life and it just really, really quickly kind of gained traction.
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It was just so exciting.
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So then I thought, okay, I m going to do this January challenge and I m going to charge a lot of money because I m going to do five live classes on zoom a week.
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So it was like 25 for the whole month and I charged 200 pounds.
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So I thought if I can just get a hundred people to do this, then, you know, that s, that s a really good amount of, of money for the month.
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It s a good amount of people sharing each day or whatever.
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And then I had 550 people sign up.
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So I was like, OK, this is this is great.
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I ve gone from being completely broke to making like more than I ve ever made in a whole year ever, like times five in one month.
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You can pay the government back?
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So then I was like wow and then it got it got so crazy bearing in mind I was doing so I was doing it live but then recording at the same time then uploading it to Vimeo.com doing like a it was so manual I had to manually enter everyone s email because the systems weren t set up for this type of thing it was a mess because the booking system wasn t linked to Vimeo.
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So then more and more people were signing up, paying 200 for two weeks into the challenge.
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So I m like, guys, there s no point in signing up.
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I remember because I couldn t do it.
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I couldn t do more than I was doing.
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I remember posting like, wait for the next one.
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Like, there s no point signing up now.
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People were still signing up.
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So it was just like the power of Instagram and word of mouth.
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And then people with, and I was just gonna do the January challenge and didn t really know what else to do after that.
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And then people were saying, well, what s the February challenge?
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I was thinking.
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The February challenge, I don t know.
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I don t know, but it s going to be something.
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So then I created this like love Pilates challenge, two weeks to love Pilates.
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So then did that and then I had even more people sign up.
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Then I did a March challenge and then I m like, okay, they re going to get start getting like a bit of fatigue here.
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So I need to do an app.
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So then in March, I recorded 50 classes because I was like, I don t have time to waste here.
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I need to get on this.
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How long does that take you?
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How many days?
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Well, it took the whole month, but I would do like crazy filming days where I do eight classes in one day.
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Is your body dead after that?
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Yeah.
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I was so tired.
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It was, and I had all my private clients at the same time, all the people doing 10 a month.
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So I m like, I ve just told them they have to do 10 a month.
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That s a lot of working out.
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So I honestly was so burnt out, but I m the kind of person that s so fueled by doing what I love.
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So I was like, I don t care if I m doing all hours of the day.
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And then I launched the app in the summer of 21.
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So what s that?
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Probably July 2021.
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Yeah.
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Because then it takes time to then go to Apple and then do all these different things and build the app.
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And then, yeah, and then the app s done so well.
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It s just been from literally nothing.
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And everyone I talk to that wants to kind of get into this, I m like, listen, if you are in the fitness industry, we re so lucky we can do this.
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You can easily do this.
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If you re passionate and you re good at what you do, you re a likable person, you really believe in it, then you can make a really good living.
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I think a lot of people want to just be forever students.
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They want to just keep asking questions and reaching out to people through DMs and reading the books.
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And some will want to go back to school, whatever it is.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes you just got to throw it to the fucking wall and just let it fly and let it rip.
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A hundred percent.
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Yeah.
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And who like I read this thing, I think it was from the.
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The Shopify CEO, I want to say.
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that failure is just the discovery of something that didn t work.
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Exactly.
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So just go for it and see, you know, try it, test it.
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My testing was Zoom and then it built up.
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You know, I wouldn t just go straight into an app.
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Do what you can and do it now.
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Part of what I like doing about this, like part of what the things about this show is, I think we try to indirectly show how many people have come on with not your story, but a similar story was like, there is no credentials.
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There s no permission.
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There s really not an expertise.
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It s just people that decided to do something without permission and take the leap and chance and how many people have become successful from it.
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So even if you look at this podcast, like same thing, like Lauren and I just started doing this out of our living room.
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Did you?
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That s it.
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It was just like we bought some shitty equipment and a mic and we started talking and it was terrible in the beginning.
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No, do you still have that?
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The first one?
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No, we still have it.
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It s still up.
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It s still if you go to YouTube.
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It s on YouTube.
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If you search our first episode, you ll see it.
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It s a disaster.
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We re literally just sitting in our kitchen.
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But my point is, is like when I go around and I talk now at conferences or Lauren or we get asked to speak places, there was no there was not like, hey, I studied this and then read this book and did this.
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I should have done that along the way.
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But it was literally like,
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We just started doing something.
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It was not great in the beginning.
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Eight people listened.
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It snowballed.
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Now we have this show and a bunch of other shows and a business.
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But like the point is, is I think so many people to Lauren s point is just they just want to learn and study and go to school.
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No, they re using the studying and the forever student as an excuse not to execute.
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Yeah.
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Or not just they could be, you know, I don t want to say the word lazy, but
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It s, it s, sometimes it can be like lack of confidence, which I, which I definitely had, you know, maybe a little bit of laziness, lack of discipline.
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And I think you have to have a lot of discipline.
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People say this motivation thing all the time.
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Like, how do you feel motivated?
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I don t always feel motivated, but I have discipline.
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I have drive and determination and I ll just, you have to do hard things sometimes.
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Yeah, I also think you have to look at the long term vision.
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So when you wake up every single day, if you don t feel motivated, at least you can look towards your compass of the long term vision to be like, OK, I still have to put the work in because I m still chipping away towards the long term vision.
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When you have that long term vision, it s really helpful in the micro moments during a random Tuesday where you just don t feel like doing anything.
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Yeah it helps the perspective.
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The problem I have with like the whole manifesting thing is like to your point you can t just put it out there and oh it might happen you like you say you have to chip away at it every single day and do small actionable steps to
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get to that.
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You can t just say, you know, oh, I want to put it out there.
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You could be the smartest, most educated, most credentialed person in the world and somebody with none of those credentials and none of that education can come and eat your lunch by just taking action.
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And I think that s what I try to tell people all the time.
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We just got asked to speak at a nice school out here, a school that would have just thrown my application in the trash.
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And it wasn t lost on me.
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And I was sitting there like, all these kids are sitting here and they spent all this money and they re trying to learn this thing.
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And then they have some dumbo like me come in who s like, never would have gone to that school, never got in.
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I just did, I just went and did something and I m not saying that to brag.
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I m just, but what I wanted to tell them was like, Hey, like of course, finish your education and do that, especially if you paid.
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But like the biggest thing after this is go take the actionable step to go and do something.
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You re not, nobody s going to teach your way into success.
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Yeah.
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I couldn t agree more.
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And I think actually some people are really not suited to the education.
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Like I actually went to university part time so I could work full time.
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And so I have a degree.
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I couldn t, I was talking with my boyfriend last night about this.
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I couldn t tell you one thing I learned on that.
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I m the same way.
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You and I are the same.
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Not one thing.
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Like unless I wanted to be a doctor or a lawyer, like education after school was just really not for me in that sense.
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But I m so curious to learn every day in like reading and podcasts and speaking to people.
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being around inspiring people, but sitting in a classroom, I was just like really bad in school, really, really bad.
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That makes all three of us.
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Yeah.
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And by the way, if you re good at school, that that s amazing.
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Yeah.
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It s just like school is definitely not for everyone.
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It s just not the way some of us learn.
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And it also doesn t shape your future.
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No, and I ve said, I think some of the difficulty with school and the academics sometimes get really frustrated with me saying this, but school teaches you to either pass or fail and get a score.
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And if you don t get a great score, it s a failure.
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If you do, it s a pass.
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And I think what people don t realize is like,
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in a career, in an entrepreneurial endeavor, like it s mostly fail until you get the path.
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It s like, and you, and you have to be okay saying like the failure is a good thing actually.
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Cause that makes you perfect and tweak the product at the end.
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Totally.
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So it s like, you re going to have daily failures, but it s, it s coming back from those and being like, okay, well maybe we ll go down this route then, or that was good to know.
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We ll do something different.
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And, and that s fine.
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But if you re taught that failure is a bad thing, and then you start something and it doesn t go right the first time, which 99.9% won t, and you re looking like, oh, this is bad, I m a failure, and that s kind of the system you ve come up in for 20 years, I think it s really hard to break out of that mindset.
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Where for me, I was always such a fuck-up in school that it was like, that s the norm, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, and I bet no one that meets you two believes that.
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They re just like, how did you achieve this without, you know,
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But yeah, it just goes to show, doesn t it?
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I have to ask you, the Queen of Pilates, what is the difference between Matt and Reformer?
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You mentioned that in 10 sessions, people would see their body completely transformed.
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Talk to us a little bit more about that and what the transformation is coming from.
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So just to not go too deep and bore you, but you also have, you don t just have matte and reformer, you have classical and contemporary.
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And which are you?
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I m classically trained, but my method is classical and contemporary, which doesn t really exist because the Pilates world is a little bit
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You know, kind of like in ballet, I guess, I can t speak for ballet.
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I don t want to offend anyone that s into ballet, but how it s a bit more snobby, like, oh, well, you don t mix contemporary.
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I think the results come from that combination.
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So classical is basically a repertoire designed by Joseph Pilates, who s a German anatomist.
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who is incredible.
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He s honestly just like a, he s just the most creative with the body person ever.
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And he created this repertoire, but it s so boring after a while.
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But your body feels amazing.
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It feels so strong.
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Your spine is so healthy.
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He always says you re only as young as your spine is.
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So if you, you know, if you re super stiff or whatever,
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But after a while you will get so bored.
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And you also get incredible results from the band of contemporary Pilates and the pulses and the, you know, that shape.
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So you mix it together.
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So I mix it together.
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So I ll flow from a real
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staple classical moves straight into a contemporary button.
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So I think that s what makes the classes so hard.
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They are really hard classes.
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Are you going to do Pilates with me?
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Do I need a machine or is this another machine?
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Guys, I would die to teach you to.
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My boyfriend is, he s obsessed with the gym.
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Why don t you teach us Pilates in St.
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Barts?
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Yes, done.
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We ll do that.
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Is it a machine?
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No, no, no.
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Say yes.
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Let her teach us Pilates.
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I will try it.
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I m not saying it s going to be pretty.
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Well, don t come in your fucking skirt kilts that you wear because no one wants to see your balls floating in that weird position.
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You d be surprised.
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No, we ll do that.
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Definitely.
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We want to learn Pilates from you in the same parts with like a mat.
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I want the bands.
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We will do the whole thing.
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Wait, hold on, just for the uninitiated myself, the uneducated, this is not something where you need one of those crazy machines with ropes on the ceiling?
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No, not at all.
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So that s reformer, which is also amazing, but I think there s a confusion between a classical reformer class versus a Legree class.
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Legree is not Pilates.
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Did I do Legree one time with you?
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So like a megaforma and degree, that s not technically pilates.
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You ll have an amazing workout, but technically it s different.
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You know what, Lauren is probably sitting there thinking, oh, but I ve been, I ve been doing weightlifting for so long and all the other stuff.
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But I was thinking, I m like,
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People that do Pilates like yourself, the core is so strong and as I get older, I want the back to be really strong and I m carrying all these kids.
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Also, we weightlift and so it s a perfect yin and yang.
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This is why I m excited to train you because I m going to correct your body so you re going to get
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10 times more out of your weight training.
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It makes a ton of sense when you say it.
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When I think about it like that, I m not like, oh, Pilates.
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I think a lot of men are maybe resistant.
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I m signing up for the app the second you leave.
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I m so excited.
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I m signing up for the app and I want a Pilates class.
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Yeah, 100%.
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I would get torn apart if I don t switch to beauty routines more.
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I think people are going to kill me if I don t.
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But I m in for the Pilates.
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Yeah, we re doing that.
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I m going to hold you to that.
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Yeah, because I like the idea of strengthening the core and the spine.
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I cannot wait to film.
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I promise you and your weight training are going to feel incredible, the difference.
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You re going to be surprised, Lauren.
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We re going to bring the kilt.
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We need the kilt.
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No, the kilt is too much.
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It s like this weird, creepy kilt.
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Why do you wear a kilt?
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It s so weird.
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I don t wear a fucking kilt.
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What are you talking about?
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It s horrific.
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Hold on, what kilt are you discussing?
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Whatever those weird Peter Pan shorts are with the sack down the leg.
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There s no sack down the lake.
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Yes, there is.
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Wait, which one did you talk about?
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I can t even put it on Instagram story, they ll take it down.
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Guideline like.
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Oh, maybe I do have some pretty tight shots.
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I ll keep it appropriate.
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It s okay, my dad has a green thong.
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Don t get any ideas.
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One thing that is just integrated into my beauty routine is a great hair serum.
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I love to do scalp massage.
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It s one of the ways that I ve really grown my hair.
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I love stimulating my scalp.
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I feel like the blood circulation of the stimulation of moving my fingers around my scalp or using a scalp massager helps the hair grow.
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And I wanted to upgrade my scalp massage, so I got this amazing hair serum.
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It s by Vegamour.
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You ve seen it all over my Instagram.
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You ve seen it on my stories.
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I like this specific one because it s never formulated with potential harmful chemicals like parabens or hormones, especially if I m going to use this like almost every day.
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I want to make sure
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It s also 100% cruelty free and it comes in this little cute pink bottle.
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I m on a monthly subscription so I get my one bottle sent to me every single month and what I ll do is I ll just put it like a few drops.
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It s kind of like an oil dropper into my hand.
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I ll rub it in my hands and then I ll just massage my scalp and I do it on
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One thing that I m really trying with is my makeup.
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So I m not like a huge makeup wearer, but when I am wearing makeup, I wear makeup.
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Do you know what I mean?
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When I wear it, I commit to it.
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And I ve been trying to slowly replace some of my products with non-toxic makeup.
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And a line that I am loving right now, you ve seen it on my Instagram story, is Toups & Co.
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They have a skincare and makeup line, and it s 100% natural.
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They only use organic ingredients, like grass-finished tallow, organic botanicals, and organic cold-pressed plant oils.
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They never use synthetic chemicals, toxins, fillers, artificial colors, or synthetic fragrances.
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I really, really like their lip gloss, especially because lip gloss is on your lips.
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And I just feel like I m drinking coffee.
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I m having matcha, maybe a cocktail, some water.
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And it s just I don t want the lip gloss to constantly be near my lips.
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So I got their clear lip gloss.
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I really, really like it.
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It takes any like pain points out of it for me.
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All of their products have essential fatty acids to balance the skin s microbiome.
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They also have this baby wash that I use on my kids.
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So what I ll do is I ll fill up like a tub of water for the kids.
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I ll put some toys in there and then I ll use their baby wash in the bathtub and then I ll actually also use it on a sponge.
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Routines.
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I feel like you, I think one of the reasons I was drawn to you in the first place is I love routines.
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And I think that I could tell by going to your page that you re similar.
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Michael, sorry, I need to hear the morning routine and the nighttime routine.
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Okay, so I am such a routine girl.
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I have to say I ve become a little bit more relaxed in the last year, I would say, with my routine, which I think is a good thing.
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And that probably comes from the boyfriend that always wants to go out.
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But I think it s at a healthy level.
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So my morning routine is basically I wake up at six,
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I have to have a very slow morning and this can I just say this is this what I m about to say is not going to be groundbreaking you ve probably there s probably so many people rolling their eyes and it s going to sound wanky and very luxurious.
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We love winky.
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But I the
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I have to do it because I have the arthritis and I want to be strong in my body and feel good.
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So this is kind of what I m, I m lucky enough to do every morning.
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So wake up early, have a slow start, make my matcha cloud chair matcha.
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By the way, I sit there, I do the whole process of making the match at 80 degrees Celsius.
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I don t know what that is in Fahrenheit.
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Carson, look it up.
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Anyway, so it has to be 80 degrees, by the way.
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If you go high, you re going to burn the matcha.
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It s not going to taste good, and it s not going to have the health benefits.
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I d love a matcha when I wake up.
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176, you were pretty close.
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Okay, and just a pause.
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I actually am going to ask you, because we didn t bring the matcha here today, but I m going to ask you.
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to when you go home to film an Instagram story, that s like a minute that I can put on my Instagram and Skinny Confidential podcast.
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So people can go watch exactly how you make the matcha.
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Every time people come on, we give them like six jobs.
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Okay, so I make my matcha and I really just sit there and just sit in silence.
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No one else is awake.
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I m sitting there.
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It is so quiet.
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If you try and talk to me earlier,
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It s just not going to, you re not going to get anything out of me.
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So I sit there, have my moment.
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I love writing.
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So again, I know it s a cliche thing.
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Everyone s journaling now.
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I love writing everything, everything I visualize.
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I practice a lot of visualization, so I ll think every minute of something I have to do through in my head and I ll also write it.
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So I ll do like a whole journaling thing.
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I meditate.
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Sometimes if I can t meditate, I ll do like breath work after my workout, which you guys have to get into that.
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It s so good to just put your body straight into recovery.
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So you work out and then you do breath work?
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No, so in the morning after my matcha, I ll do some sort of like mindfulness practice.
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But if I haven t meditated, I ll definitely breath work after my workout.
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What s the breath work?
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So I have breath work on my app.
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This guy, Jamie, he is incredible.
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What kind of breathwork is it?
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Is it like box breathing?
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Is it like a Wim Hof style?
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He does every time.
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He covers it all.
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Tomorrow morning, this bitch is going to be making his matcha at 80 degrees, journaling, doing his fucking box breathing, and I m going to be like, oh.
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I do Wim Hof breathing before meditation in front of my juve red light.
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That s what I do.
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I don t want to picture that either.
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That s enough of stuff.
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I don t know what killer.
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There s no kill.
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There s no kill.
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Yeah, I just, listen, there s nobody around.
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I ll have to creep down, I didn t know you did that.
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Okay, go on.
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So you re doing your breath work by Jamie in the app.
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Yes, exactly.
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Occasionally I ll do a sound bath, but that s more in the evening.
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But I have to do some sort of like mindfulness practice in the day.
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I ll, what else am I missing out?
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Oh, before my matcha, I ll take my probiotic.
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I take Simprove.
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I m not sure if you have that here, but it s a liquid probiotic in the morning.
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So I ll do that first thing, then wait 10 minutes, then have my matcha.
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If it s really healthy and really good, they don t let them have us.
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We don t get it in America.
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They re like, not for you guys.
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And then I will do a workout and then I ll do my sauna, infrared sauna, 20 minutes at 70 degrees Celsius.
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Again, I m not sure.
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I guess that s like 160-ish for 20 minutes.
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And then I would jump in the ice bath.
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And I swear to you, I have no arthritis symptoms.
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That s pretty cool.
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So you have this morning that really supports you not having the arthritis.
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Do you think that s the cold or the hot or the combination?
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I think it s mostly the infrared sauna because
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too much cold, it gets worse.
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But I think the contrast therapy really helps.
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What do you do in the ice bath?
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Do you go in for a minute?
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Do you go in for five minutes?
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What do you do?
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I don t time myself because it totally depends on the day.
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Like sometimes I ll get instant pain in my feet from the arthritis.
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So I m like,
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I ll just do what I can tolerate.
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That makes sense.
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But yeah, I ll do that pretty much six days a week.
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I have a weird question.
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I ve never asked anyone this, but I feel like you re the perfect person to ask.
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What do you do with the hair in the ice bath?
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Are you dunking your head or are you putting it in a shower cap?
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No, but what I do do, I just pin it on my head.
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You just pin it.
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But every time I wash my... So then after the infrared... Oh, and before that, I dry brush.
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So dry brush, infrared sauna, ice bath.
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Dry brush?
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And I m obsessed with Le Spoon, by the way.
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Oh, thank you.
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I know you... Oh, hang on.
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The biggest part of my morning routine to mention is the ice roller.
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I swear, guys, I use the ice roller every day.
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I have it here.
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I ve done it twice today, which is quite weird.
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It must feel good maybe on your arthritis or your inflammation.
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It feels so good on, well, I think it s helped with my acne.
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Oh yeah, for sure.
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Well, I think two things have really helped.
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I have two or three matches every day, which is really high in vitamin C and E. No coffee.
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Never any coffee.
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It gives me too many jitters.
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If I had one espresso, I would be awake all night.
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I just can t.
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Your boyfriend has 40 and he s like asleep.
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Yeah, but some people can process caffeine better.
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Recently, he asked me to go and get his double espresso.
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He asked for two double espressos in one thing.
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That s out of control.
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It s wild and he s the most mellow guy you ve ever met in your life.
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I would be bouncing off the walls.
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Yes, some people s genetics allow them to process caffeine in a different way.
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It s crazy.
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But the matcha has L-theanine, that s why it levels you out.
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So that helps acne.
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And then you said what else?
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And the ice roller.
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I think where I do my skincare, it opens my pores.
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Then I do the ice roller, it closes my pores.
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So I m sure it s helped with bringing down the inflammation your content that you filmed of the body sculptor was the most beautiful Oh Aesthetically pleasing but also just like your body from Pilates with the with the Sculptor was just like I loved it
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Oh, that s so sweet.
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Well, it s an incredible product.
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Like, you ve done it, you ve done it so well.
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Everything you guys do is good.
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So, so you do your cold plunge.
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Do the cold plunge.
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Oh, the shower.
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Oh, yeah.
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Tell us about the hair.
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Then I go into the shower, do quick warm shower, and then I always finish on cold.
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But I put my hair, if I m washing my hair, I always put my head under the cold water for a long time.
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It s good for your scalp.
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Makes it so shiny.
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I wash my hair like once a year.
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But when I do wash it, I put it under the cold.
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I don t think people realize how beneficial it is to heat your body up and then cool it down, heat it up, cool it down, and then let it heat itself back up on its own after getting out of the cold.
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That has to be good, not only for the pores, but your entire lymph system.
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You re like your entire muscular structure, everything.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think it s incredible.
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And it s, and it also just makes you feel amazing.
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You re on such a high for the rest of the day.
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So then I, after that, I will get ready and go into the office.
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I don t eat breakfast because I did not because I m fasting.
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If I felt hungry, I would eat breakfast.
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If I m really hungry, I eat, but if I m not hungry, I m just like, like this morning I had an early breakfast because I woke up hungry.
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Normally I don t get hungry till about half 10, 11.
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And night, tell us something.
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And then night time I will do, I m like a big, warm person at night, so I love to have an Epsom salt bath.
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That is incredible for any inflammation or pain or anything, I swear by that.
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Again, I ll do the dry brushing before that bath.
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That s my dream, I love it.
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Yeah, that would be really cute for you to do.
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It s so cute.
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I m sorry, it s so ugly.
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I ordered it off Amazon.
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Why is there no cute, I know.
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Yeah, so true.
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Go on.
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Anyway, so I ll have a bath.
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I have this CBD body oil, which I use afterwards.
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And I ll have like a bedtime tea or something like that.
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And I have a hot water bottle every single night on my stomach.
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A hot water bottle on your stomach?
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Yeah, it s like a heavy... The red ones, like the old cartoon red ones?
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Like, what an old lady would have.
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Yeah.
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Do you post it on your Instagram story?
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Yeah, it is.
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And I actually read something today about how that just soothes your nervous system.
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I feel so comforted by this hot water bottle.
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It must be like a weighted blanket a little bit.
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Yeah, it is.
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You have to send me the link.
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It s not like an actual water bottle, though.
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It s like the, like that, like it s like, um...
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No, it s not.
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It s like a flat rubber thing that you fill up.
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It s like the one the cartoon dog used to wear in the snow.
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I trained Michael so well.
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He s not allowed to turn a light on.
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He falls or knocks his water bottle.
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We re moving on from that.
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I m going to have my water bottle.
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That s the nicest thing.
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That s the one thing that my boyfriend does for the day.
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He ll make the hot water.
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He does that every night.
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You make the coffee in the morning.
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You have to do the night time.
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I want the matcha.
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I d like a matcha that you actually physically whisp.
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She s going to show you how to make it.
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All right.
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Thanks for coming on the show.
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And then I want to end with the hot water bottle.
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And then again, I m not being funny.
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And then the supplements, magnesium, 5-HTP, CBD.
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Magnesium is a must.
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I have that every day.
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Oh, creatine.
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I take it in the morning as well.
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I got a good one for you.
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Oh, that s good.
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I want you to talk about creatine because so many women are scared of creatine.
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I know.
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I do have a good one for you if you re taking, instead of taking the 5-HTP, if you did the L-theanine, the magnesium, and then there s something called apigenin.
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And if you take that combination together, you ll sleep all night consistently.
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And something about the 5-HTP, I think that s good when you re getting sick.
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But sometimes you wake up in the middle of the night and you re like, oh, why am I awake?
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But the apigenin will keep you sleeping with that because you re already taking all the other stuff.
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And well, I ve been interested in taking L-theanine on its own because I want to see what it s like without the match.
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Obviously, I m having it throughout the day, but... I have another one for you.
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If you take GABA at night, G-A-B-A, with the L-theanine and glycine, two grams of glycine, you ll sleep.
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Okay, but how many things am I getting?
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Because I m all about now, now I m like obsessed with Blue Zones.
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I m trying to simplify my life.
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There is a company called Momentus, which does... It s a sleep pack.
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And he just creates these sleep packs.
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And it has the three, it has three things of magnesium, l-theanine, and apigenin in one.
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Oh, perfect.
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They don t have the headache of like buying 18 things.
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Oh, I love this.
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I m going to do that as soon as I, as soon as I get home.
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Okay, go back on the routine.
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We don t need to hear your routine.
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We know your routine.
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I m telling you.
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Creatine.
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So I have been taking creatine now for a few months and it s incredible.
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I love it too.
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Honestly, I think everyone should take it, especially if you are vegan.
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It s crazy because it s one of the one supplements that everyone probably should take, but people are scared of it.
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Women are scared of it.
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I take it every time I work out.
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I love it.
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For the longest time.
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Because they re scared of bloating and getting water weight.
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But I promise you, if that happens to you, it s a short term thing.
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But I don t even think it would happen.
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You could also put it in your matcha because it doesn t taste like anything.
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I add it.
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I like to have it with
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fruit, because it makes the creatine, it makes the uptake in creatine higher.
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So if you add it like, I have it with my shake, which I put a banana in.
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You know why people think it makes you bloated though?
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So men and weightlifters have been taking creatine for like, I mean I ve been taking creatine since I was 12 years old, but it s just like a thing that guys know about.
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But
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A lot of guys that were in bodybuilding would take like 20, 30 grams of it a day.
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And then they would get that heat.
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Yeah, of course.
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And that s why women, yeah, people think like they re going to blow, but if you just take five.
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Yeah.
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Five grams.
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That s what I do.
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And also it just makes you, it makes you so like on it with the performance.
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It makes, it changed my body.
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I feel like it tightens the muscle to the skin.
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It really does.
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Yeah.
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It s very good for your sleep and for your brain too.
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It s one of the most studied supplements.
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Yeah, it is.
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It s amazing.
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I don t know why.
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And I think Elphienine s going to have a big moment soon.
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Michael s going to say it s because of him.
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Are you still having your raw milk, by the way?
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I have my raw milk and I have it in my matcha.
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Keep that on the down low.
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People are getting in trouble for that raw milk.
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I m going to make your matcha with raw milk.
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Oh yeah, didn t people come for you?
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I don t care.
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No, no, not that.
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I m talking about like the authorities.
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Like I m telling you, anytime we find out something s good for us in America, they re like, hey.
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Everyone has all these problems with their stomach from dairy.
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And it s because, dare I say, I ve talked to a lot of people, scientists, doctors, all the things behind the scenes.
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It s because you need to go back to raw milk.
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Don t quote me on this, but I do an inch in my coffee, and I probably do a half an inch in the matcha, froth it up, but you re going to tell me I need to do this thing.
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You ve got to show me how to do that.
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I m going to show you the whole thing.
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Yeah, and I ll put my raw milk, but then the rest is water.
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But it s true, because I think with milk, people
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That s like the one thing that people are consuming throughout the day that can really fuck with your insides, whether it s cow s milk or plant-based milk.
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There are so many bad plant milks out there.
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It is crazy.
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Well, here s why I stopped with a lot of plant milk.
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I found that it could just be one ingredient or two ingredients, that almonds are sprayed with a lot of pesticides.
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Yeah.
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And now you re so it says only glyphosate.
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Yeah.
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So you re you re consuming all that.
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And I have to tell you, I have lost weight drinking raw milk because I use it as a like a pre-workout.
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Yeah.
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It s like mixed with the coffee or the matcha.
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It s like gives you like a high because you get the caffeine and then you also get the protein and a little bit of carb.
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And how does it taste?
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It s delicious.
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You know, I creamy.
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Like, it s so good.
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I m gonna send you guys... A cow?
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No.
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A cow for your garden.
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You can be milking your cow every day.
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I m gonna send you guys this milk that I ve just invested in because I think you would love it.
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I would love to try it.
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What s it called?
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It s called Koji and it has... So it s a prebiotic naturally because it s got a fermented product from Japan inside.
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Sounds perfect.
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A natural product, but it s sweet.
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Your kids would love it.
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I d love to try it.
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It s unreal.
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But I think you re right with the milk.
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It completely messes with people s insides and hormones and spots and everything.
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You can t say anything about milk on the internet.
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But think about this.
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I m not going to talk about milk.
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I m so passionate about milk.
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But if you think about like milk and meat and all these things that people get so riled up and enraged about.
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The way that all of our ancestors survived for thousands and thousands of years before we were here is like they had to have these things.
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There was no other alternatives, right?
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It s like the blue zones, kind of.
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Yeah, and I just find it hard to believe that raw milk is this terrible thing when they didn t have pasteurization.
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a thousand years ago.
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They had to drink the raw milk and it was fine and that s how they sustained themselves and that s how they lived.
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So I find myself going back to all these things like if it existed 500 years ago and people were doing it, it s probably okay, but who knows what kind of things we re doing to foods now and that s the kind of stuff I stay away from.
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But then, and I agree with you, but playing devil s advocate, people would say to the likes of me and you, well, why do you have to take supplements?
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They didn t have supplements back then.
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Sure, because they were, but they were eating, they were getting most of their supplements from the food.
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Yeah.
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And the ground was mineralized food.
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Yeah, I just.
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But I agree.
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I think there s actually going to be such a shift now back to basics.
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It s so interesting, isn t it?
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Everyone s vegan.
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I know.
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And now I m like loving eating mints.
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My best friend, Faith, I m calling you out who was like vegan, vegan, vegan, vegan.
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Text me yesterday and goes, what are the beef sticks that you eat?
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And I was like, what the fuck?
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By the way, they are paleo valley beef sticks.
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They are so good.
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And they re like 10 grams of protein.
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But it s just so interesting how it shifts.
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We got a lot of people that were in that world that behind the scenes are like, yo, where do you get that meat?
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Where s that raw milk?
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And I m like, oh, don t worry, I won t out you.
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It s like the black market.
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Can we do a code on your app?
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Yes, for sure.
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So we can do, I can give a free month for everyone.
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with code SKINNY and with Cloucha, the matcha company, we can give 10% off everything.
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Clouchamatcha.com.
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It just launched.
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It s really cute.
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Yeah.
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I m so sad you didn t get the products.
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It s okay.
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We re going to have you make it on my Instagram story so everyone can see it.
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You guys will put it up with this episode.
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And so tell us where they can find your app, your Instagram.
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Tell us all the things.
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My Instagram is brinydeary.
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Then the app s Instagram is palatiesbybriny.
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We have cloudcha matcha on Instagram.
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That s the app cloudcha matcha.
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The app is you can get it on the iOS store palatiesbybriny.
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You can get it on what s the other one?
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Android.
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Nearly a soon to be a TV app.
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And then cloudcha is just cloudcha matcha.com.
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Can we do a giveaway?
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Sure.
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Okay, what do you want to give away?
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A free year and all the equipment.
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A free year, all the equipment.
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You guys, all you have to do is go follow Briony Dairy and let me know on my latest post at Lauren Bostic what your favorite takeaway of this episode was.
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I have to ask you, did your mom make up your name?
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Because I made up Zaza s name kind of and I just.
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No, she didn t.
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Her name is so unique.
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Oh, thank you.
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I ve been called everything in America since I ve been here.
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Brianna.
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It s Bryony.
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Bryony, yeah.
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But Bryony isn t English.
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I think it s Irish, but I m not Irish.
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So there s just, she just liked the name.
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It s very pretty.
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Thank you.
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You guys, I loved this episode.
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Thank you so much for coming on.
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Thank you so much.
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Come back on.
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Thank you for making the trip.
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I can t wait to do Pilates with you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having me.
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I need you to do some Pilates and you could work on your spine in those jorts that you have.
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Thank you.
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Two things before you go, you can watch us now on YouTube.
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So you can go on YouTube, search The Skinny Confidential and watch our entire episodes on your computer or TV.
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Also, you should know, Michael and I are doing a him and her newsletter.
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So basically, it s a him and her tip of the day, five days a week.
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And the tips are very specific, as you can imagine.
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And then we also have a monthly favorites.
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So basically, we collect all our monthly favorites, everything we ve bought and used and tried and put it in one monthly newsletter for you.
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To sign up for that, go to ShopSkinnyConfidential.com and sign up for the newsletter.
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Thank you so much for listening, and we ll see you next time.