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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Join my day Joe Rogan podcast by night or day.
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I like the one here side.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, that s professional a lot of guys do that help my hearing a it s fading in my old age Do you have fucked up ears because of the cauliflower is it fuck up your hearing?
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Yeah, just one of them I thought it was cool until the inner ear started to swell and it was messed with my hearing and I was yeah I was like, that s not cool anymore.
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Did you get it fixed?
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I just face it at the women I m talking to
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Did you get it fixed?
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Oh, it eventually drained out, but it s as good as it s going to get, I think.
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Yeah, I always wore ear guards.
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I was always scared of the ears, because there s a design.
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It helps capture sound and bring it into your ear.
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I didn t know the AirPods were coming.
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I threw a curveball in how cool this was.
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Oh, right, because you can t stuff them in there.
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I jam them in, but they pop back out.
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Yeah, you gotta wear it over the ears.
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So, let s talk about your tournament.
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The tournament, all right.
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Where did this come from, first of all?
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Because you ve competed at Abu Dhabi.
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This is what I don t understand.
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You re gonna go head-to-head with ADCC, which is the biggest grappling organization in the world.
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By the way, that s Gordon Ryan s belt up there, if you want to look at it.
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Gordon Ryan, oh man, I might take that home with me, yeah.
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How can I get the money to buy it?
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Well, I mean, what started it?
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Well, obviously, you can t win a tournament.
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You put your own tournament on that you can win.
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And probably lose anyway.
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I mean, really, it s for the growth of the sport.
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We re getting some beef involved, some Tupac Biggie, Drake Kendrick energy to this.
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But really, to compensate the athletes well, and to raise some money for charity along the way.
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And who s funding this thing?
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That s one of those things, you know?
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Your girl takes a trip to the UAE, she comes back with a handbag, you don t talk about it.
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You don t ask too many questions, you know?
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You brought with you a million dollars in cash, which I ve never seen before.
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I ve never seen a million dollars.
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in one place.
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I ve never even seen a million dollar check.
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Yeah, I guess tip it out.
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Make sure we don t spill any.
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Ladies and gentlemen, that is one million dollars in cash.
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That is so ridiculous.
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Look at that.
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That s so crazy.
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Wow.
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Whoever...
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is running this, really trust you.
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Those are loose.
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A lot of these are just kinda flying around.
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They re flopping around here, you know?
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They have way too much faith in me.
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Yeah, a lot of faith in you.
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I mean, this was to prove, I had the idea, I was like, I ll bring a prop million dollars on Joe Rogan, but people were, I was thinking then, they already don t believe I have the money, so if I pulled out a prop million and you were like, oh, that s fake money, then I m like, oh, my tournament s fucked.
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So I had to do some bad things for that.
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Um, so how s one even get a million dollars out of a bank?
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That s got to be a pain in the ass, right?
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Yeah, so my buddy that s helping me out with this basically called his bank He said I need a million dollars on Thursday They said yo that takes two to three weeks and he s like give me the million on Thursday Or I ll find a bank that can and that I mean that put the energy in him to get it.
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Here we are So what does this guy do that?
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He has all this loot
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Really don t want to say I m gonna keep it all directed at me.
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It s all above-board legal You know what?
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I mean, but we re sort of keeping it mysterious I want any negative energy towards the tournament come in my direction not the anonymous sugar daddy in the background
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Okay, so you don t want to say what the business is?
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Does the business profit off of this at all?
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Does this benefit the business to do this?
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Does it benefit the business?
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I mean, we re running it as a non-profit, so obviously for people that want to support the sport of jiu-jitsu, we re going to donate basically all the ticket sales of this event towards different charities.
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So we really want to do this as a non-profit, because my thoughts were, if jiu-jitsu doesn t make a profit, we might as well make a non-profit.
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Mmm, okay.
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Well, just you just to make no profit like Abu Dhabi doesn t turn a profit, right?
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It s done primarily because of the shakes love of the sport like the yeah, it s like a passion project, but I mean sort of my problem with the latest event is like we re selling so many tickets and they Their event is in T-Mobile T-Mobile super expensive as far as I know.
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I remember their event organizer posted the amount they paid for T-Mobile
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It was basically two of these So I was just to rent out the venue just to rent out and then you were at the Thomas and Mac Yeah, so the previous event we re at they were at Thomas and Mac.
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So I just thought hey I might as well check how much Thomas and Mac cost
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And it was a lot cheaper.
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So in my opinion, we re really doing this because the prize money s been the same for so long.
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A lot of events don t pay a lot of money, but obviously ADCC s the biggest.
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And this sells a lot of ticket sales.
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But really, they made a lateral move in the venue that didn t really grow much in the way of seeding.
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And none of that money really went- How much does Thomas and Max eat?
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I think we ll have about 11,000 seats for this one.
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And T-Bumble s what, 18?
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I think 18, yeah.
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So not, not massive difference and really ADCC prize money stayed the same.
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So their prize money, you have to win four matches to get 10k.
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Not that I d know because I could never fucking win it, but we re gonna pay, we re gonna do two divisions and pay a hundred times that amount of money to the division winners.
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So 10k is the winner of ADCC?
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And we re going to pay $10,001 to show up to our tournament.
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$10,001?
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We ll throw an extra dollar.
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That s from me personally.
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So anybody who competes gets $10,000?
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Really?
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So even if you just get smoked?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I m thinking of the other guys like me in these tournaments that don t make the final, compensate everyone, you know?
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Well, that is nice.
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But ADCC has never made money, right?
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So for them, raising the money would just be losing more money.
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Yeah, I mean, but if I mean if if you could sell 11,000 seats, you know, I mean like if you could sell streaming rights to an event I feel like some of that should go back towards the athletes Rather than just spending it all on production Like I got a lot of people talk about the cost of production and it s important to grow a sport But I really feel like at least the athlete compensation should go up a little bit, you know Like in terms of ticket sales some of that should go back towards the athletes even if the ADCC is not making any money at all
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But in terms of, they do make money, but it s where they spend it.
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They choose to spend it on production rather than the athletes.
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Right, but it s not profitable.
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In terms of the organization itself, it s not really profitable.
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I don t believe.
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Well, I would imagine if they chose Thomas and Mac with the streaming rights and the cost of the venue that they ve spent on T-Mobile, for sure they would have made a profit off this event.
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You could curtail production costs down.
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It s not going to be that crazy if you choose the right venue.
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My opinion is Grappling s amazing, but I don t think we re ready for T-Mobile.
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That s a massive, expensive venue.
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Right.
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Well, the Thomas & Mac was very impressive last year.
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It was very impressive, the whole overall production and just the scope of it and the amount of fans that came out to watch ADCC.
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It was pretty impressive.
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It s crazy.
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Yeah, it s crazy.
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Obviously, I ve never competed in front of that many people before.
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It was awesome.
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It was an awesome spectacle.
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That was basically my opinion.
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It s like, why are we making a lateral move, in my opinion, when we could still keep the same venue?
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So what was the idea about going head-to-head with ADCC?
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If you want to grow the sport, wouldn t it be better to do it in an alternative weekend?
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That way the people that compete at ADCC can also compete at your event?
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Well, we kind of, I mean, yeah, obviously athletes can t do both, but in terms of for the fans, the fans will be able to go to our event Friday, Saturday, still see ADCC finals on Sunday.
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But in terms of doing it at the same weekend, I mean, we re really trying to make a stand that the athletes can unify in this sense and we can get compensated better.
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Because again, none of the athletes care where we compete.
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You know what I mean?
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As the sport grows, grappling s growing, obviously thanks to people like you.
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You ve blown it up.
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Whenever you shout us out, our followers go up.
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So, I mean, the events are getting more eyes on it.
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People are more ticket sales.
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We should get at least some token gesture of a payment increase.
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Well, I think the best case scenario out of this is that ADCC does ramp it up and that the sport does get more eyeballs because people are aware of this huge increase in pay.
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I always feel like competition is good.
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I just don t necessarily like the idea of going head to head because I feel like it just kind of messes with the athletes because it puts them in a situation where they have to choose, first of all, between ADCC and the Craig Jones Invitational.
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And if they do that ADCC is gonna probably hold a grudge.
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I mean, hopefully not But likely they will I mean it doesn t it make sense that they would I mean if you re kind of crippling their organization by taking the elite guys and Offering them potential for like how many people are gonna jump ship, you know, I mean who we got confirmed already We ve got Fionn Davies past champion the tax
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Brothers were the first two.
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We ve got Nicky Ryan.
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I m gonna announce today Nicky Rod s jumping across.
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We ve got Luke Rockhold in there.
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We threw him in because he s just, he s honestly pretty impressive.
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He tapped me out in the gym.
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I was like, fuck it, we ll throw him in.
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In terms of the under, we ve got Joseph Chen.
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So, I mean, a lot of people are gonna make the move.
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And what s interesting to me, I can t say any names in particular, but a lot of the old legends obviously want to be a part of this event.
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I think they believe, they want to support the cause.
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You know, I mean, and you say, make the athletes make a choice.
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I mean, really, they should be able to make the choice if there s an event with such a huge amount of prize money on display.
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You know, the argument is prestige, first prize money.
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And my argument is, if the prize money is there, that becomes the most prestigious event.
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Yeah, it does ramp up the prestige, but will this happen again?
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Is this a one-time thing, or are you guys planning on doing multiple ones of these?
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Yeah, we want to do it.
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ADCC every two years, so most of the time the guys have to wait every two.
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We want to do it every year.
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Well, that would be good.
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Then there d be a year where it s not in competition.
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We don t want to just kill another organization, and then I just disappear off into the sunset, maybe sneak a couple million, but we want to do it every year for sure.
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The goal is really to raise money for charities and do some film projects around the world using jiu-jitsu really Helping out some underprivileged kids and stuff.
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Well that the the whole idea of using it for charity is beautiful.
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That s that s amazing But is this guy willing to fork up this kind of like does he have a commitment to do this more than once?
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I mean basically says if a we do a good job of this one you can do it every year He s super invested in sport of jiu-jitsu loves it.
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And this guy s just throwing loot away.
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I
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Throwing a lot of loot away.
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Thank God.
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Thank God.
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That s a crazy thing to commit to, though.
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I mean, no matter how rich you are.
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I mean, because if you re giving away $3 million in prize money, is that what it is?
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Yeah.
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So how s it go all together?
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We basically got a budget of $3 million.
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And we decided to give $2.3 million of that to the athletes.
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And the rest we re going to spend on production.
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Obviously, we re going to have sponsors come in.
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We re going to work with particular sponsors.
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But again, the ticket sales, that s going to charity.
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And we re really allowing some of the athletes to choose.
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Like if we have an influential grappler and stuff, we re not really trying to leverage the money we have.
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We re saying, hey, if we get you on board, we re happy to donate a percentage of the ticket sales to a charity of your choice.
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So we give them a bit of freedom in who they want to help.
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Well, that s nice.
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And if this does go well, like what is, what s the, when you say go well, like what are the guidelines?
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What are we trying to achieve in terms of like going well to do this again?
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I mean, based on the investment and how much money we can raise for charity is really the goal there.
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Like if we can sell out Thomas and Mac and we can demonstrate that we can do this in a cost effective way, we can bring in more sponsors.
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Definitely going to keep doing this every year.
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Well, like I said, I think competition is always great.
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And I think just more eyeballs and more people paying attention to it is great for the sport.
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Obviously, I love jiu-jitsu.
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And I think, you know, the athletes getting paid a million dollars to win first place is fantastic.
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I mean, because, you know, we both know that most athletes don t make much money off of actual competition.
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The money that they do make, they usually make in seminars and... Only fans.
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Yeah.
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That s you.
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Yeah.
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That s a lot of underwear I have to sell, you know?
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Holy fans and what else I guess DVDs.
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Yeah, I mean, that s the number one revenue source for athletes would be Instructionals, but like again, that s like you can win the biggest tournaments in the world.
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It doesn t necessarily translate to seminars doesn t translate to
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Instructionals, that s the sad thing.
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It s like you hold certain events so high that you re like when I win that I m gonna make it But then there ll be some asshole like me that never won but outsells you it doesn t make you know I mean, it s like it s not your life s not set if you win one of these events But if you win a million as a grappa, you re pretty well set up especially if you re like a grappa from a poor country like a million us and Brazil s gonna go a long long way and
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Also, it s it s just gonna elevate the whole profile of the sport just people knowing that a million dollars is going towards the first-place Craftlers and then like has UFC fight pass had a positive impact is that helped at all for sure?
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I mean obviously it helps so much like my dreams always taking on MMA guys, you know, like they got a cloud They got the big name So obviously UFC fight pass help that happen but I mean Tetchy s put a lot of work into the fight pass events and those are very very popular I think
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That would be the pinnacle of sort of professional superfight events.
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And what is like, like if you fight in UFC Fight Pass, like what is a big payday at UFC Fight Pass?
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I know some of the athletes might get, I don t even know how I should say it, touchy or afraid to kill me, but I mean it s broad, like I could go from 10 to 6 figures really.
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And again, I mean, that s the thing.
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When you compete for an event like a tournament, you might face four guys.
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Like for me personally, I might face four guys that I could have made much more money facing off in a super fight setting.
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So it s really like in terms of the investment, the commitment, the training, the time to prepare for potentially four opponents to win something like $10,000.
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When if I just had four super fights, it would make so much more money.
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Obviously, I wouldn t get the medal.
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And the amount of money that you re going to spend in camp anyway, just with nutrition, supplements.
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Steroids, the damage you do to your body on steroids.
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All the jabs, everything, everything.
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I mean, you re spending $10,000 anyway.
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Your blood pressure goes up, your liver values go up.
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You push it to the, you redline it for a thing like ADCC.
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Well, that is the craziest thing about the sport, is that steroids are openly tolerated.
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It s probably the only elite professional sport where, particularly because of Gordon, because Gordon s been so open about steroids, that everyone knows that the athletes are on juice.
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Well, I m sponsored by a local company called Everton.
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This is the sad thing.
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I tell people, hey, I m on TRT, and I m sponsored by them, and no one believes me.
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They re like, you look so out of shape, there s no way.
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He s just joking.
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And I m like, no, believe me, I m taking serious.
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Do you lift weights?
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I mean, sometimes, yeah.
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Sometimes every now and then.
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Yeah.
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Honestly, I m the worst example of athlete ever.
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I don t stretch, don t do any recovery, I don t sleep properly.
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You don t stretch at all?
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No.
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I just go easy the first round.
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I feel like them pushing on my legs.
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Hit my belly.
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I think if you get a bad injury, that s a sign maybe trying to hang it up, you know So when you train all you do is just jujitsu, you don t you don t like I do a little bit of lifting But man fucking I don t even track anything.
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I ll just be like, oh that seems like enough lifting for today.
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Really?
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Yeah, that s it.
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Do you ever wonder like if you?
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Did like hire like a serious like strength and conditioning coach and really get after it It would make a difference in your performance.
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I
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Maybe, but I mean, like, I mean, if it was a million dollars on the line, maybe, but that s a lot of fucking work.
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But it s your whole life.
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I mean, you re a professional jujitsu guy.
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I mean, I love the technique and the strategy aspect of it.
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You know, like sometimes when I ve lifted or taken more steroids than usual, it s like I m starting to overly rely on my strength.
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What I love about jujitsu is laying traps, tricking people, making people feel silly.
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That s the part I like.
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Right.
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Rather than just, I want to look jacked just for me, not for the match.
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But don t you think even with the laying traps and just overall your ability to move would be enhanced?
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It s true, but I mean if I look to Jack and I want to buy the instruction, I ll be like, I can t fucking do what that guy does.
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I gotta look like a weathered old man out there.
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Wow, that s a crazy approach.
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We got another announcement here today.
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The biggest super fight in grappling history.
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We signed it actually, I signed this maybe an hour and a half ago.
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So I got the contract date approved.
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Yeah, bust it out.
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Uh-oh.
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The biggest super fight in grappling history?
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Really?
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Yeah, it might be one of the biggest.
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Events in what is the biggest so far so far?
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It s probably Gordon and Galvao Yeah But now we re talking the most decorated female athlete of all time Gabby Garcia has put pen to paper to face me
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On my own event.
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So we re talking 10, 11 time world champion, four time ADCC champion.
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You have been joking around about this forever.
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This is actually going to happen?
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100% going to happen.
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We signed this contract earlier.
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So like, I mean, I had to do a lot of things to get it done, you know?
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What did you have to do?
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I had to talk to Gabby a lot.
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I had to go over there and give her a back rub.
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Did you have to dance with her?
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I mean, getting this done, she s like a Harvey Weinstein producer, you know?
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But I ll do it for the fans.
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But we got that booked.
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So that s really going to happen.
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Yeah, she s 6 4 , 250 pounds.
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I don t know what she weighs.
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So I ll take her on.
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Wow.
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I feel good.
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SPEAKER_00
I probably won t train for it.
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SPEAKER_00
I ll be planning the STEM events.
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SPEAKER_00
You won t train?
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I wouldn t train that hard.
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I m happy she s doing it though.
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SPEAKER_00
It took a long time.
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We ve been talking about this for two and a half years.
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SPEAKER_00
Feels like an arranged marriage or something.
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SPEAKER_00
I know.
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SPEAKER_00
I was always thinking that it was just a joke.
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SPEAKER_00
We re gonna get we ve got to get rid of the sexual tension somehow, you know, hmm.
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So we re gonna throw one way Yeah, I mean that s in the contract if I lose I have to do some things.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, no, maybe you sell that on our only fans, but Good luck.
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SPEAKER_01
Good luck.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, so when this all goes down Are you gonna stream it live?
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And how are you gonna do that?
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Um
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Free on YouTube.
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SPEAKER_00
Really?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, we want to put it free on YouTube.
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Because, like, everything I want to do about this event is to grow the sport.
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SPEAKER_00
So, like, Jiu Jitsu scoring is confusing.
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It s hard to keep up some events don t even know their own scoring and to be honest I compete in events Well, I don t even know the rules, you know, I m just hoping for the best But this one we re gonna do for the lead-up matches the non-finals qualifying matches Three by five minute rounds and we re gonna have the judges score according to your traditional jiu-jitsu, you know Like if you get a good position, it might be a if there s a four point discrepancy something like that and
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Are you using a specific rule set, or are you guys making your own?
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Making our own one.
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We want to make it our own completely.
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So we want to take what jiu-jitsu guys already know.
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So we ll have three judges use some sort of pre-existing point system they understand, but we ll have the judges translate into a 10-point mask system so that MMA fans will understand.
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So say if there s a... After round one, the guy finishes on the other guy s back.
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The ref stops him, we get up, we have a minute break.
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That s a strong position.
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We ll score that a 10-8.
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And we ll do open scoring.
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So jiu-jitsu guys are used to knowing the score as the match progresses.
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They don t like the surprises.
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Like MMA, it s surprise at the end.
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Jiu-jitsu guys, they don t want things to be too different.
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So we re basically keeping it very similar to what they already understand while trying to introduce it in a way that s friendly to fans that tune in.
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Because fans will tune in and be like, what the fuck s happening?
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And they ll be like, oh, yeah, he won the round tonight.
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I wish that MMA had open scoring because it would expose a lot of really bad scoring.
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You know where you re at.
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Yeah.
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Because there s so many times where it s just not.
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And the argument against it I think is silly because the argument against it is that the person would coast if they were ahead.
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But my feeling is that would make the person who s behind really get after it because they know they re behind.
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You know, and then in fights where you know a guy s ahead and the guy s getting tooled up, that s already the case.
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There s no, you know, like if Adesanya s fighting somebody and he s just dominating the fight, we all know that.
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We all know that.
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And the only thing that could fuck him is a bad judge.
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Some crazy judge.
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Yeah.
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And we ve seen that.
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We ve seen, like, two scores that are like, that s right.
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And then one score, one judge is like, what the fuck was that guy watching?
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SPEAKER_00
That s the guy we re gonna hire for our event.
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That guy s gonna be cheap.
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SPEAKER_00
Why?
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That guy s gonna be dangerous.
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SPEAKER_00
Why 10-8?
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Like, I don t even like 10-8 for MMA.
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I think it sucks.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, just for a way that we can grow, like we can have an easy to digest... I mean, I guess MMA s still pretty confusing, but we want MMA fans.
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We want to steal MMA fans.
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Like, that s been my whole strategy, is I ll take on guys in the UFC, because I know that
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Drug-tested and I m not and I ll be like and they re famous It s like a perfect matchup, but we want to do that because we want to steal their fans and we re also changing It s very fucking expensive.
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SPEAKER_01
Actually every jujitsu events basically on an elevated stage or just on mats And we have this problem where there s all these weird resets like guys might fall off the stage.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, they crash into the table That s crazy.
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So inspired by karate combat.
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We re gonna do a rectangular mat space with that angled wall
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Because there s nowhere to run.
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And we re going to call this rectangular mat space the alley.
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You basically only head to the back alley to fight or fuck.
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SPEAKER_00
But isn t the angled wall a bit of a problem?
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SPEAKER_00
I saw your match with Phil Bro.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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And the angled wall, like all of a sudden he s fucked.
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Because you re just going to go down.
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Like it s not like a wall.
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SPEAKER_00
Like a wall, I don t like the cage in MMA.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve said multiple times, I really think they should be fighting in a basketball court.
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SPEAKER_00
Just make it all matted up, have a long red line where you have to bring it back.
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SPEAKER_01
We re gonna be big, 30 by 40, it s gonna be massive.
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SPEAKER_00
That is big, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
So we heard the basketball court, but we threw some angles on the end.
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But it punishes them.
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We wanna punish guys for backing up.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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So like again, like you said, with a cage, they back up, but they remain vertical.
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And guys are so, like you can use that angle to not get taken down.
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But if you back up, if you re running away,
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We want it to be detrimental to you while not having any referee interruption.
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So if I m like you said, I see I won the first round 10-8, I m coasting, I m backing up, that guy can chase me and there s nowhere I can go.
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And if I back up, it s detrimental to me.
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SPEAKER_00
I want to ask you a specific question about the Philip Rowe fight, because he posted his arm down to, like, against the angle.
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And I was like, well, you re kind of fucked if you re doing that.
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And then you threw up the triangle, and you trapped him.
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SPEAKER_00
But like, did you train for that?
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SPEAKER_00
Like, so this is the setup.
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And this is in Karate Kombat, which is, by the way, in Austin this Thursday.
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I m going to go down and check that out.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, man, it s a good shot.
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So like this.
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Like, when he posted his arm down, I m like, oh, no.
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Honestly, here s the funny thing about it is as in the promoter said to me goes, bro We ve got to sell the angled wall for grappling.
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He s like, can you try to submit him off the wall?
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And I was like, fuck yeah, I ll do that But I was like, I was like, I ve got no plans of they asked you to do it They said that d be cool if he could do it and then afterwards he s like, did you plan that?
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I was like, yeah sure, but
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I mean, anytime someone posts a hand on the ground, and we have an overhook, and we can put weight on that hand, they can t lift it off the ground, so we can shoot a triangle pretty easy.
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So, as soon as I saw him, I ve got an overhook here, we ve got the Russian tire, as soon as I see him put that right hand on the floor, I was like, we can do something flying.
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And I saw, because of the angle, you can be a bit more brave, you know?
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Like, it s not as sharp a fall.
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Like, I m 32, I probably shouldn t be doing flying shit, but you throw an angle in there, I ll give it a crack.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, especially with everything padded up like that on the walls Yeah, but man me and Phil were laughing before this match like we would you I had a couple beers before this I thought we re just gonna have a good time.
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SPEAKER_01
You got a couple beers before the man Phil said he was gonna drink a tequila shot to sell the match But then I saw him put water in his cup.
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I was like, I ve been misled here And then I we went out there and his I didn t even know the time of the match.
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Oh, there was eight minutes and the guys I got 12-minute match I m off fuck and then his coach started cornering serious.
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I was like, what have I got myself into a I
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So I was like, better give it a crack.
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I thought we were gonna have fun, play around a bit, but he was ready to go.
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SPEAKER_01
You really had a couple beers?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I do, do, sometimes, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Do you really?
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Take the edge off, yeah.
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Does it fuck with your performance at all?
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SPEAKER_01
You know what, I never know what helps my performance or makes it worse.
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SPEAKER_01
You know, I never have like a... Taking the edge off might help.
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I think so, because I do a long training camp, sometimes I m like thinking every day, putting pressure on myself.
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But like, I finished that match, and because I hit a flying thing, we just got hammered that night.
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I was celebrating, and then the next day I was like, fuck, I have to face Lovato next week.
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I was like, what have I done?
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So it s like sometimes, I guess the Jon Jones approach, you know?
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Having some fun the week before takes the edge off, relaxes me.
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SPEAKER_00
Ilya Taporia does that too.
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He gets drunk on Thursday night when he weighs in on Friday.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t like what he did to my man, but I respect the drinking of the wine for sure.
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Yeah.
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That fight, I wanted to talk to you about that too.
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I wanted to talk to you about just the Volkanovsky fight and training him in general.
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Did you try in any way to discourage him from taking the Makachev fight on 10 days notice?
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I mean, I m not involved in that process at all.
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You know, like I got the call that it was happening Like he called me man.
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I was jet-lagged at the time I just got into Austin for a day and I get a call at 4 a.m.
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From Volks He s like, I think I have Makachev booked in two weeks and I was like fuck it.
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Tell me I ll just book the next flight I just got on the plane down there.
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So I m not involved in the matchmaking decision process at all Were you apprehensive about him taking that fight on such short notice?
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I
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I mean, I wouldn t say apprehensive.
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I believe in him fully.
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I knew it would be a very difficult challenge.
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I didn t know what sort of shape he was in at the time.
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I hadn t seen him for a while.
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But I believe in him that he can do it.
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And it s like, I m going to just do everything I can to get him ready for that moment.
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And yeah, I mean, it is the risk of the game, especially you take a short-notice fight like that.
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Had he been training at all?
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I honestly don t know.
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I don t think he, like he wasn t in the same shape he was for the previous Makachev fight.
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The previous Makachev fight, I was down in...
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in Wollongong with his team freestyle for like six to eight weeks helping him prepare for that one.
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But I mean, this one, yeah, such short notice.
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Well, that made it such a huge difference, the six to eight weeks, just the fact that he was able to survive on the ground the way he was.
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And not just that, but just, not just survive, but be completely safe.
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He was never even close to being threatened with a submission, you know, and the fact that he was like laughing it off and punching them from behind.
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It s crazy, yeah.
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I mean, I can t take too much credit for that.
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The guy just is a beast.
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He s an animal.
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Yeah, he s just a monster.
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He s so hard to hold down, even for me to hold down.
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I don t get it.
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I m like, fuck, you re 145?
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SPEAKER_01
This shouldn t be the case, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Rugby.
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He has some rugby energy, hey.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, also, he used to weigh 214 pounds, and he s still got those fucking tendons from being a big gorilla.
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SPEAKER_01
That s true, yeah, the rugby days, that s crazy.
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I mean, when I trained at his gym, one of the rugby players come in, actually, and I was just fucking around rolling with him, and he put me in a chin strap, and I was stuck.
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I was like, fuck, thank God these guys make real money in other sports, I don t have to deal with this shit.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s a hard fucking sport, man.
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It s a hard sport that Americans don t necessarily appreciate.
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They don t understand.
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Those are guys that could compete in the NFL.
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They said they re playing rugby because they live in a different country.
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But it s when Volkanovsky fought the first time and he was perfectly prepared It was an amazing fight.
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I thought he won.
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I thought it was very close, but I thought he won I gave I think round two was the difference and I could see round two going either way, but I gave it to Volk But I was like when when they announced it the rematch part of me was like ooh That s great fight.
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But the other part of me was like This is the number one in my opinion.
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This is the fight for number
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one pound for a pound, right?
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I believe Volk won the first fight, although very close.
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I don t think it was a robbery, but very close.
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And I think that puts him as the number one pound for pound fighter in the world.
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And then he loses the fight to Islam.
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He gets caught with that head kick, and then he gets knocked out by Taporia.
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Now he s not even in the conversation anymore.
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So this is a short amount of time, you know, and then everything kind of falls apart.
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And I think it wouldn t have fallen apart if not for the rematch.
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If he just waited for Terporia, I gotta think that head kick has a factor.
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I mean, to get brained like that with a shin to the dome, which is the worst way to get knocked out.
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It s so much power in legs.
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I mean, your legs are carrying your body around all day.
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I don t think people that have never been kicked understand how much more power is in a leg.
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Yeah, I wouldn t know.
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You get head kicked like that and then you fight a guy who s obviously the most dangerous boxer in the division in the next fight and get KO d.
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I mean, yeah, it s crazy.
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SPEAKER_01
I ve had a couple concussions from grappling, like accidents.
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Knees and headbutts, crashes.
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Always that one asshole going crazy.
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But I don t know, really, the effects of that.
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It s so hard to judge.
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I don t know what testing they can do, but it s like... They can t do much, unfortunately.
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There are some tests, but the reality is, every time you get knocked out, it s easier for that person to get knocked out again.
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And psychology, I think, for the opponents.
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Like, for me, coaching Vox, like, there were matches where, like, even, well, the fights when, like, say Ortega had him in the sub, and it s, like, when he keeps doing these impossible things, you believe in the myth of your guy more and more than other fighters do, too.
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They go, oh, we couldn t submit him.
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Look how deep Ortega was.
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Well, it s his heart.
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His heart is just unstoppable.
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But I think when a guy gets clipped like that, everyone else goes, they suddenly have a bit more self-belief.
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So I think it s like two factors.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I think you re probably right.
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But I think Teporia thought he was going to do that to him anyway.
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But I would just love to have seen him fully recover from that.
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Like when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Marquez, Freddie Roach wouldn t let him do anything for a year.
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He s like, you re going to take one year off.
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He s like, this is the only way you have to.
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And Freddie Roach, who has trauma induced Parkinson s from his boxing career, he s well aware of the impact of brain damage.
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And, you know, it s, it s so tricky because I m just such a huge Volk fan.
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SPEAKER_00
I just look, I wish I had his ear.
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I don t know if you would have listened to me, but if I had his ear,
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I think that s what makes those guys special, though, is that it s the self-belief.
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100%?
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That s what makes you a champion.
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You cannot become a Volkanovski without this unstoppable belief in yourself.
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Me and him are the complete opposite.
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If someone was like, bro, you re probably going to lose, I m like, yeah, you make a good point.
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I m like, how much are they paying me?
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We re complete opposite.
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He takes everything super serious, sporting everything.
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I don t know how we ve blended together.
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I m able to coach him somehow.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, you re very technical.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, the thing about your, you know, joking around and being silly about it all, it s like, you are, but your technique is very, very good, obviously.
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SPEAKER_00
You obviously are one of the elite guys in the world when it comes to technique.
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SPEAKER_00
So it s not, you are serious.
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Yeah, I mean personality time, you know, yeah, but I guess we have the Australian Australian bond He has faith in me more faith in me than the guy that gave me this I think They both probably shouldn t know what is Volk up to now do you talk to him in Thailand training at Bank Tower with his folks wrestling coach Frank Hickman they have a gym in Thailand So he s out in Bank Tower getting some work in
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I want to get him a grappling match.
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SPEAKER_01
I said to him, I said, man, if we re going to take some time away because of the concussions, let s get you a grappling match.
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SPEAKER_01
And my thought was, how cool would it be to see him and Ortega have a grappling match?
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SPEAKER_00
Oh my god, that would be incredible.
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SPEAKER_01
I would just love to see it in that setting, because Ortega obviously struggles to submit him in MMA.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Let s see what happens in a grappling match.
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SPEAKER_00
Right, with no gloves, too.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that would be very interesting.
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SPEAKER_00
Ortega s very good on the ground.
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He s very sneaky, too.
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SPEAKER_01
Yes, yeah, he s super slick.
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SPEAKER_01
He pulled he catches some crazy shit out there losing a fight like two three rounds Get one look at a guillotine.
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SPEAKER_00
It s crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
No and his guillotine is fucking death I mean when Volkanovski got out of that the mounted guillotine his face looked like a grape
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And just would not tap.
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SPEAKER_01
Would not tap.
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SPEAKER_01
I had no idea how he got out, but I told everyone, I was like, yeah, obviously that s me.
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SPEAKER_01
Buy the DVD.
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SPEAKER_01
Support his grappling coach.
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SPEAKER_01
I take credit for that.
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SPEAKER_00
He s an animal.
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SPEAKER_00
99.9% of the world would have tapped.
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SPEAKER_01
He s like that in the gym.
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SPEAKER_01
I remember I would choke him in the gym sometimes, and he ll go from putting his chin in to taking it out as your grip s in there.
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SPEAKER_01
He would try and switch it from, I guess, the front choke to the blood vessels.
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SPEAKER_01
Changes how you choke him and can survive down there.
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SPEAKER_00
Wow.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know how he does it.
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SPEAKER_01
He should teach me that shit I think it s just his brain too.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah too tough Yeah, he s a fucking animal.
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SPEAKER_00
And so does he have a plan to come back?
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SPEAKER_01
Does he I don t I don t know what s going on I imagine it s probably Holloway versus to Porya.
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SPEAKER_01
I think that s gonna happen and then I think I hope person we get Vox a grappling match Maybe we get him at this event
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SPEAKER_01
I m hoping we get him we get some MMA guys at this event.
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SPEAKER_01
Is he thinking about doing something like that?
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SPEAKER_01
A whole lot of time, right?
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SPEAKER_01
When is this?
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SPEAKER_01
This is August 16 17th.
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SPEAKER_01
Yes, so not much time But I mean if he s in shape, he s training.
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SPEAKER_01
He s out bangtown Thailand get some rounds in I think it s fine, especially against another MMA guy.
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SPEAKER_01
They both have the same type of training You know, it s not like he s taking on a pure grappler.
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SPEAKER_00
That s any grappling So do you have a budget to do something like that to do super fights as well?
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SPEAKER_00
Actually, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
So we re going to start taking sponsors to try and get more Superfights.
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SPEAKER_01
And I m in talks with some legends of the game right now, some guys that you d be shocked.
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SPEAKER_00
Can you say any names?
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I wouldn t say any names, but potentially, I ll tell you.
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Can you make the names rhyme?
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One of them has a Mexican-sounding last name, but I ll talk to you about that.
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Okay.
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I know that one.
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Yeah, all the legends.
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So many people want to come out of retirement for this.
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I think they just know, especially when I explain the rules, explain that it s in that alley, like the sunken floor, you know, they like that format.
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Obviously, you throw a million dollars on Instagram, you get some messages, you know what I mean?
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You get some, hey brother, what s going on, you know?
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Yeah, I think people are going to be shocked at how good Luke Rockhold is.
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Yeah, he man he s so tough.
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He s very good on the ground I remember when he got Weidman down and mounted him and why we could not get up I was like this is his ground game is very underrated and because he s just known as an MMA guy He s gonna come train with us.
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He s gonna come to beat him five weeks So he s gonna prepare with us for this event.
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So we ll watch him and Nicky Road kill each other every day I ll love to watch that shit Wow
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Yeah, um, I always wondered how he would have done if he had gone straight grappling because the people that I know that train with them said dude I think he could have competed with the best in the world as a grappler just as a pure grappler Yeah, I mean he look at the guys he s training with could be even Islam came for Laska s DC.
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Do you see all those guys?
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It s like People think it s like MMA s in isolation like those skills won t translate they translate especially with athletes like that especially in such a grappling dominated camp
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He s gonna surprise some people what I keep laughing about is like it s a million dollars for first place ten thousand for second place I m like who s tapping right for a million dollars.
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Yeah, I think what we re gonna do I haven t finalized this yet But I think if you re in a submission in the round ends, we keep going get out of the submission Well, there s been so many times where guys were almost submitted where you you think yeah this guy I let him out of that armbar to join the team.
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Look it up.
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Yeah
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I didn t get any money out of that.
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How bad was his arm fucked up after that?
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That arm bar was so tight.
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Well, that was the funny thing, right?
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And that was EBI.
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What s the prize of EBI?
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Well, if I had submitted him, I would have won 15K.
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And I think he had only had two submissions in regulation.
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So he only made 10K.
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So I m like, we could have made a business deal there, bro.
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Just let it go.
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But man, his arm popped on the day.
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He said it was fine.
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Next week I show up we both competing in another event again, and there was like three four locker rooms And I would just travel by myself.
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I wouldn t even have a coach I just post an Instagram story who can corner me for this event Like the one against Gordon I had Denny Prokopov and he was saying 10th planet stuff to me And I didn t even know what language he was speaking in the corner that all right, so I was cracking control Yeah, he s saying do these things.
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I m like what s happening, bro, and then I shot to this next event and
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Yeah, cuz I grappling in New York and of all the locker rooms They throw me in there with the down to her guys and I m just like this is a bit weird like I had this going on By last week, then he choked me and now it s just me in a locker room with him I was very awkward, but then broke the ice and I came in the train the next week and You were with them for a long time.
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You were with them for like what five years?
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With Dana her two years two years.
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So what did start before Puerto Rico?
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Oh
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I lived in New York for, oh, I mean, man, my memory s hazy, but we did Puerto, we survived Puerto Rico for six months.
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And, uh, before that was, I would come and go from New York.
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I was probably with the team two and a half years, but yeah, things get weird out there in the jungle, you know?
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Yeah.
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Well, everyone s confused as to what happened with you guys.
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That s what like, there s no real version of the truth.
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We got a book deal, we got a movie deal coming out, you know?
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I m gonna exploit that story to the bitter end.
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You have a book deal, for real?
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Nah, I m joking.
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But I could, the story s weird enough, you know?
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What happened with you guys?
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I mean, there s so many things we really can t discuss, you know?
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A lot of problems, obviously.
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Obviously, two brothers split up was gonna be some serious issues there.
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But yeah, it s not really my place to say, but hopefully one day it comes out.
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I think it d be an interesting story.
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Who knows?
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This shit might kick things off.
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It might be World War III again.
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So when you left, did you leave to start your own place?
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When you guys started B-Team, was that the plan all along?
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No, I honestly never even wanted to start a gym.
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I d already told the guys at Danaher s that I was like, hey, this will be my last ADCC.
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And then I just want to travel around, see the world, visit interesting destinations, teach seminars.
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I felt like I d already built a brand.
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But then when the team split, I felt like I sort of wanted to help them kickstart something.
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So we came here, we started the B-team.
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I ve been with the B-team, we ve had the B-team two, three years, but I m not there too much anymore.
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I helped kickstart it, we got the gym, the guys have it.
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So I like traveling around.
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So are you basically semi-retired?
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For sure, yeah, for sure.
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I mean, obviously, when you put on, like, if you put on an event that pisses off every other promotion in the sport, it s going to probably be hard to get matches in the future.
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So I ll probably compete for my own show and that s it.
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That s the plan.
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We want to keep doing these shows.
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Well, I think you re gonna piss off ADCC for sure by going head-to-head with them, but I don t think it would piss off Fight Pass or Who s number one or do you think?
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Well, I mean if whoever s streaming ADCC is obviously not gonna be not gonna be happy as more competition, but again, I still think long term This story is gonna grow the sport.
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Yeah, it s it s interesting story.
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It s fun.
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Let s see.
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Let s see what happens It ll either be the best event ever or the Fyre Festival.
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I m hoping for the former
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Are you are you besides the Gabby Garcia thing which is you know, no disrespect kind of a gimmick fight Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah.
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Um, are you done competing?
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I ll probably do another match That s Gabby Gabby will be one day if someone s down.
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I ll do a match on the other day as well we ll see but I also want to leave it open because I am talking to some crazy big names and I m like man if we can put that together and
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Like I m gonna try and save some space but like obviously I have to run this thing I wish you could tell me some of those names on the air.
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It s everyone you could possibly think of I ll tell you really there s a potential matchup that I m working on.
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That s insane.
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It d be the craziest shit ever.
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Really crazy Yeah, you want to tell me now?
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We ll cut it out
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Yeah, can we do that?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I m working on- Holy shit.
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Sorry folks, you can t know.
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Damn, that would be insane.
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That would be insane.
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Wow.
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Is the former, is he training?
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Training, yep.
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People have said, man, he feels good.
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It d be like obviously a crazy inspirational story.
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I d love it.
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Wow.
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Yeah, that s insane.
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It s insane to, you know, and then it s like Abu Dhabi, for a lot of people is the Olympics of grappling.
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And one of the things is it s every two years.
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I mean, I remember when John Jacques won Abu Dhabi, you know, I just started I think this was like, what year was this?
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When he started training when he fought in Abu Dhabi?
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early 2000s or mid 2000s?
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Yeah, I was thinking I was like a blue belt at the time.
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And when John Jacques went over there, we re just so proud that he went over there.
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And he had this advantage over a lot of the guys in that he only has one hand.
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And so he never relied on grabbing collars, everything was overhooks and underhooks, and he had sort of already developed a no-gi game that he was applying to the gi.
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You know, obviously he could do all the gi techniques as well, but he was more of a no-gi guy in the beginning, and it was so interesting watching
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that style, you know, watching no gi, which is, if Abu Dhabi didn t do that, and if they didn t have this prestigious event and make it no gi, I think the sport would have really struggled.
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Because it s so hard for people to appreciate what s going on with the gi.
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It s very slow.
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And when you see a guy getting choked by a collar, it s just, it looks silly.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, oh man, I m so happy Abu Dhabi exists.
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I think the inspiration for me to do ADCC was Stuart Cooper s Highlight Reels.
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Like when I was coming up, like 2009, 2011, Cian Browley, Andre Gavaus runs, like that inspired me.
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Losing in the game more than Nogi also inspired me to chase the Nogi dreams, but like, I m following in Eddie Bravo s footsteps, you know, we both did ADCC, couldn t win it.
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We have our own Invitational.
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But yeah, I m thankful for everything they ve done.
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I still obviously love ADCC.
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I wouldn t have a career as big as it is without ADCC.
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But do you feel any loyalty to ADCC?
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Like, you re kind of fucking them, right?
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I mean, I feel loyalty to the athletes.
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I think, like, for what we do and how much bigger the sport is now, we should be compensated better, you know?
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And that s sort of why I ve taken a massive risk in doing this.
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I appreciate what you re saying, but if ADC is not turning a profit, like the idea of compensating the athletes more, I mean, they have essentially made stars out of so many of these athletes, and because of that, by the fact of that, they ve profited.
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But therein lies the argument.
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And the argument is that I believe an event of that magnitude should turn a profit.
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I m going to do it myself and see.
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Obviously, I could be wrong.
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But based on the production and the things we ve paid for thus far, I don t see how you couldn t run it in a profitable way.
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Obviously, we re giving away 100 times as much for two divisions.
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But man, if they had even upped it to $20K,
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You know what I mean?
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Like some token gesture.
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Like if we re going from a basketball court with a hundred people in there to selling out T-Mobile, like there should, like if there s room for a fireworks show, if there s room for drummers, I feel like there should be some room in the budget for the athlete pack to increase.
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No, that s a good argument.
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And hopefully by forcing by this, you guys will like inspire them.
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And the argument is about making stars.
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It s true, it s true.
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Obviously you get a huge platform, but you could win and not become a star.
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I know plenty of guys, well not plenty of guys, but I know a few people that have won ADCC, but really like.
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No one knows who they are.
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Yeah, that s crazy for me is I ll go to a seminar and I ll sell out just because of just fucking gay jokes and stupid jokes all the time.
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And I ll see real champions that can t sell out a seminar.
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So if we can make an event that those champions
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can make some real money and I d be super happy.
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Well, I think also your popularity has increased because people know that you coach Volkanovski and you ve worked with MMA athletes before.
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Do you plan on still doing that?
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For sure, yeah, for sure.
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Love Volkanovski, always be there for him any time.
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I mean, obviously MMA s got a lot of
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crazy individuals in there, but to give up the time to work with the correct athletes, I will always have time for some of the real good guys out there.
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Like obviously Izzy, awesome, I d always make time for Izzy.
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Jack Deller from Perth, guys like that, just super cool guys, I d always find time to help them.
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Yeah, Jack Della, what a big win he got over Gilbert.
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Man, I still moves off him.
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I remember when he went in the Contender Series, he hit a Maki Kumi reversal in the first round of the Contender Series fight, and I was blown away by his grappling.
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And I ve been watching it since.
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And his reversal with Gilbert Burns was crazy.
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Yeah, very crazy.
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I ve trained with him, and I m just like, I still moves from him.
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Like, he s, man, he s so good at grappling.
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Yeah, he s very good at striking too.
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He s, in my opinion, he s like one of the best in the sport at mixing up shots from the body to the head.
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Because so many fighters, for whatever reason, are headhunters.
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You know, because you can knock a guy out with one shot.
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But Jack is so good at mixing shots up to the body and to the head.
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I mean, he just breaks guys down.
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Yeah, it s a scary guy.
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I was lucky actually because before the toporiya fire we re able to sort of link up so it was like He came out to Wollongong and trains is he came at the same time?
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So I got to watch Jack Deller and Izzy mix it up and then them train with folks and for me Even as an MMA fan, it s like I have to pinch myself sometimes below.
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Wow, that s amazing It s just like putting on this thing when I m talking to these guys about super fights and
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It s the dream as just a grappling fan.
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I m just thinking, oh, what could we do?
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Who could we convince into this event?
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Just from a pure fan perspective, it is pretty fun.
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Those aspects.
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I m sure.
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It s going to be interesting to see whether or not this can work.
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Because a lot of people have looked at the UFC model and said, hey, athletes should be getting paid more money.
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And so they put on these events.
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And none of them are profitable.
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I mean, maybe Bellator was.
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And they sold Bellator.
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And then there s the PFL.
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I don t know how they do financially.
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But they have the same sort of similar thing.
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They have a tournament the other tournament the guy wins a million dollars But he my point is right is like if you re an Olympic champion or if you re a UFC champion It has so much prestige that every single person in the world knows what it is.
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It has this intrinsic value Yeah, if you say you re an IBJF champion or an ADCC champion a very small percentage of population know that So it s like that s case in point.
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We ve put on a tournament with a
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much more money, everyone jumps ships because they know that s money.
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Whereas like obviously Olympic gold medal, that s timeless.
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That s, that s, that s crosses all sports, you know, that crosses into the culture.
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How many guys are jumping ship?
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I mean, I ll tell you afterwards.
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So is it public that they re jumping ship, or are they not talking about it?
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Well, we ve got 16 spots in under and over, and I m navigating through who wants to be in there.
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16 spots each, so 32 total?
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So I m trying to navigate to the best guys we can get, and it s like everyone wants in.
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Really?
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So no one s worried about the repercussions or the blowback from ADCC?
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No, because I think they see it as, wow,
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I could get the money to show.
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So the Tackett brothers, local Texas guys, some of the nicest kids ever.
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And they were the first ones to reach out to me.
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They won the trials.
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ADCC s been their dream their entire life.
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And they just hit me up.
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Because no one believes anything I say, unfortunately.
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You make too many jokes, everyone s like, it s full of shit.
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But these guys were like, man, is this real?
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And I was like, yeah, it s real.
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And they re like, well, even if I have to deal with the consequences, even if I have to go back and win the trials to qualify again, I won a shot at a million.
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And they re not even talking about themselves.
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They re like, I want to take care of my family.
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And I m like, wow, that s a super cool motivation to do this.
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They re willing to risk it, because they ll fight their way back in.
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Well, I hope there s no repercussions.
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I hope.
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I don t think there will be.
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Well, we ll see, right?
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But I think best case scenario is that ADCC recognizes that there s competition, and they have to raise up the amount of money they give the athletes.
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You know, maybe it ll just elevate the profile of the sport enough.
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So that s profitable still Yeah, it s a good experiment prestige versus I do it the same weekend as them.
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Well, you Want the athletes to make a stand, you know, are they together or you know, what?
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What is the what is the motivation here money all these guys?
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Yeah, money s the motivation money.
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Yes, it s
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sort of making a stand, but it s making a stand that money is more important in this organization that s propped up the sport for 20 plus years.
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Well, there s other athletes that say a million dollars easy to make.
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That guy over there?
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Well, it s easy for Gordon.
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I mean, Gordon makes a lot of money.
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I mean, Gordon makes a lot of money through instructional.
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It s just from dominating for all these years.
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But again, like a million for most guys.
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I mean, you grow up in Brazil.
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You know you like millions not easy to make by any means like especially like the instructional market is predominantly English-speaking people They re the ones that are gonna pay the highest price So it s like us that speak English have a huge advantage in that area like even me personally just for having an accent I m a lot of Americans like wow, he s fucking smarter.
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That s why we use people like you for infomercials Yeah, exactly.
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They take it.
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So I mean little mop John Donahue you throw a Kiwi accent on it.
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Yeah He s obviously a smart guy, but that adds points for sure.
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Are you still close to him?
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Do you talk to him?
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No, we don t talk so he s upset at this.
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I don t know.
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I ve run into him a few times We shake hands, but you know his general demeanor.
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You don t really know like, you know, yeah, I Look back when we walk past.
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There s no knife coming I Helped him hide a few bodies in New York, you know some missing women, but we had a tight bond.
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I
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He s a unique character.
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I mean, he seems like a guy from a fucking movie.
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Like, he doesn t even seem like a real guy.
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You know, some professor of philosophy at Columbia who becomes obsessed with jiu-jitsu, sleeps on the mats, teaches everybody and forces everybody to train 365 days a year.
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Yeah, that s an interesting fella.
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What was it like doing that?
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Like the 365 days a year?
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I mean, I wouldn t do it.
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I would be like, bro, we re taking a day off.
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Let me have a day to relax.
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I wouldn t necessarily do it.
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I mean, it was a lot of training, though.
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He wanted it to be your life.
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And obviously, it should be.
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But a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure to be a part of that team.
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Did you talk to him about the philosophy behind those decisions?
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Mean we had a lot of discussions.
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I think like we were actually really close because I m from he s New Zealand I m sure I m from his part of the world.
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So a lot of the time Australians visit He actually has a tight connection with him because we have a lot of things we can relate on So we I mean we talk all the time I pray Unfortunately, probably me and Nicky Ryan were two of the ones he was closest to before the team split Hmm and when you guys were training there, I mean how beneficial is it having a guy like him around?
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Oh
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Super beneficial, and also not just because of who he is and how smart he is, but he basically approached it like an MMA coach.
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MMA coach is always watching, is always guiding your training.
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Most jiu-jitsu coaches are participating.
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They teach you a few moves, they roll with everyone.
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So to have a guy that approaches it like an MMA coach, where he approaches it with that level of professionalism, watching, making adjustments, I think even something as simple as that is a huge benefit.
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Mmm.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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Also a guy who s Physically impaired where he can t compete but he has so much passion for it that he pours it all into the athletes Yeah, and I think what made him so brilliant as well is Obviously his college and university.
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He knows how to study.
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He knows how to take notes on everything He knows how to teach You put him in Henzo Gracie s in New York for 20 years when it was the hub of MMA and grappling
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Guys like Hodja Gracie are passing through all the time.
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He s basically in this position where he can just watch, train with all these guys, pick up all these details, and have it locked and loaded, ready to teach in a perfect way.
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Like obviously, his game s heavily inspired by Marcelo Garcia.
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He just takes the really useful things and can articulate it in a way that s better than most of the people in the sport before him.
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So I think there s all these factors that have made him who he is and why he s so successful.
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How much of a factor is this, the constant training, the training of 365 days a year?
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Like, how do you balance the burnout with the discipline?
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Like, how do you, like, because I think inspiration is almost, enthusiasm and inspiration are almost
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I think discipline is more important for sure, but there are factors that can t be ignored because when an athlete loses inspiration and loses enthusiasm, they just don t have the mental drive to push through very difficult situations.
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You know what I m saying?
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You just lose the steam, you lose the engine.
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I mean, I don t think you should do 365 a year.
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I think you should peak for events, have a period of time afterwards where you slow down, and then when you re not preparing for an event, you re studying technique.
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When you get closer to an event, you re refining those particular techniques and skills for that particular event s rule set or opponent or whatever, and we should go up and down.
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I like it when you have an event,
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Whether you win or lose you don t train too much after and you have this period where you miss training and you re like pulled back into it I do and I think I mean even like obviously Gordon s had forced breaks with health issues But like as long as I ve known him and we train together Like there would be time periods where he would wouldn t be at training for a week or two, you know So it s like I think it s like a myth.
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We should all strive for but Everyone should be entitled to some time off.
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Did you ever talk to John about that?
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I
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I mean, I would just take a day off every week, but luckily, like, I think he had some love for the Australians, let me get away with some things he wouldn t let other people do.
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So, I mean, I would be chilling, you know?
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Does he enforce that, like the 365 days a week?
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I don t know if there s a real strong enforcement, but there s like an unspoken...
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You better be there, you know, like but I know who knows what it s like now obviously he s moved to Austin My memory is probably fazes pretty forgot some things.
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But yeah, obviously I m super appreciative that I had I was a part of that team, but I mean I was with like Lachlan I m lucky I moved to Melbourne was a Lachlan Giles for a few years.
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I had a massive splash at ADCC 2019 and then I was with John so like I ve been around some good coaches, you know, so I
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I think I ve got a lucky position to spike coming from Australia, not as lucky as others.
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Like it would have been amazing to be like a Nicky Ryan, born right next to New York and got to train with someone with the people in that team or have that coaches.
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But again, like,
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We re all not that lucky.
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I didn t even train with a black belt.
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I was already a purple belt So it s like we really yeah, we all weren t exposed because I m from Australia I probably came up with a time period in my city that was more like an older time in the u.s.
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Where black belts allow What year did you start training?
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Oh Probably 17 years ago now and even back then there weren t many black belts around
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No, when I started training, I just trained with my cousin and he was like a four-stripe white belt.
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There was like two people on the mats, you know, there was nothing.
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I trained twice a week.
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I didn t train properly for a long time.
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You trained twice a week?
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Yeah, I was just like, I didn t even think... I didn t even know what I was, you know, we just... You were just doing it for fun?
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Yeah, just... What were you doing for a living back then?
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I was still in high school when I first started, and then I was just flipping burgers at Burger King, basically.
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Then I did a psychology degree, just a bachelor s.
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Somebody like I had to work jobs study and do jiu-jitsu.
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So these are souls today.
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They get a just train I m so envious of them, you know, like it s just the sport again the sports growing that much with the sponsors
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So back then, how did you learn technique?
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Here s the funny thing, I had Eddie Bravo s Monster in the Rubber God book.
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That came to me at a very influential time where I read the chapter about weed.
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I was like, fuck it, maybe I should start smoking weed.
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I was thinking I m going to learn some techniques, ended up smoking weed all the time.
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Yeah, it doesn t work for everybody.
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It s interesting, the weed thing, because some people think it makes you lazy, and I think you re just lazy.
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I think if weed makes you lazy, you re lazy.
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It makes me think about the consequence.
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The idea of paranoia, like people talk about weed paranoia, I think it s a hyper-awareness
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And, you know, Eddie once said this to me, like, if your life is shit and you smoke weed, it s going to feel terrible.
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But if your life is great and you smoke weed, you re going to feel good.
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Like, if you ve got all, you don t have any problems in your life, you don t have any things you re dealing with, if you ve dealt with your problems and you re just like on a good path, then weed s good for you.
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But weed has never made me lazy.
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It s the opposite.
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I smoke weed, I always feel like, don t be lazy.
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You gotta get things to do.
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You don t want these things fucking with you.
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You don t want these things hanging over your head.
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Like that hyper-awareness, it s like part of my work ethic.
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You know, like oversight, like someone is looking over me all the time, making sure, I can t lie to myself or to other people.
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I have to do the things I m actually supposed to do.
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That s my feeling about it.
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Well, I mean, I read his book and I was like 17, smoking bongs, driving to training in the car, having pre-workout, getting ready to go to war, you know, like, that s basically the influence of that on me.
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But it was good.
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I think rolling high keeps you fluent, keeps you... I wouldn t do it all the time.
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Sometimes I meet guys that are so high that I ve just smashed them for a round, but they ve done one thing, but they re so fascinated by that, like, the perception s off sometimes.
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Think that s possible true.
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That s too, but I ve always felt like I was like 10% better when I was high I really feel like that s there was quite a few things you re gonna try a couple beers.
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I m scared beers Don t help me like like when I play pool if I play pool high I play way better if I play pool drunk I m not good
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Really?
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Yeah, I think with me alcohol just makes me not pay attention to shit alcohol for me is like I m not I m not a focused person if I m drinking I need that for sport that gives me a false sense of confidence Maybe one or two beers but drunk have you ever competed drunk?
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I ve felt it for sure.
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You know, it s usually not be actually usually a vodka soda or something So if a fan sees I m like that soda water, man
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You ve done that many times were you just to take the edge off?
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Five six time I mean I was I had a couple drinks before the Lovato match because we had the howler head bottle back there I was like, hey, come on.
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Tell us some sponsorship money, you know Sadly not
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Isn t howler head owned by Dana doesn t do that was the thing.
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I was like guys think it s a bottle back here When You were training and you were learning from books.
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Like did you have any videos that you studied?
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It was like, how did you learn techniques other than just books?
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I mean we I m trying to know what books I had man.
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I had like PJ Penn s book Eddie Bravo s book like the actual textbooks and then I started
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Buying the instruction was like, I had car operations, judo for MMA.
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I had Ryan holes.
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He, he was one, he really changed the game with instruction was in the early days.
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So like stealing Liz moves.
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And then I learned about the world of torrent sites and I started illegally acquiring every instruction I could.
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And then we d try to self learn on the mats, studying these and then drilling the moves.
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That s me.
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So I was really self taught up until purple bell really just focused on using instructionals.
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And then where d you go for Purple Belt?
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Then I moved to Melbourne with Lachlan Giles and basically was like two and a half years there and then two and a half years with John.
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That s a crazy little amount of time.
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Yeah, I didn t spend, that s the thing, a lot of people obviously they just notice when you achieve something, you know what I mean?
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So like I trained by myself a long time before I was able to join any big teams.
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What do you think attributed to your success?
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I think, I mean, honestly, I don t know.
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I put in the work in the early days for sure.
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And then studying, studying, studying, and then just being at the forefront of the leg lock sort of saga, you know, like I got in at the right time.
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I saw techniques in the gi, like the Birambolo, that would just, a new technique that would wipe the floor with experienced black belts.
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You could use it on people you had no business beating.
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Those are the techniques I wanted.
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And I saw the Danahoe guys use heel hooks, and I was like, man,
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If I, as a purple belt, can submit some black belts, I m like, that s fucking, that s the way I gotta go.
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And so how did you wind up training with John and the... Well, I mean, I would just... Obviously, Australia s far away.
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Hard for me to keep doing that 16-hour journey back and forth.
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I wanted to stay in America, so I just started doing my camps there.
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That was the best place to do it.
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It was like 100 people in the room doing nogi.
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Obviously, it had that DDS squad there that was awesome.
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Dana, her focus.
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At that time, there really weren t too many places in the world that would take nogi as seriously as those guys.
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How bad was the staph infections going around down there?
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I got staph every month, every month there.
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How the fuck is that possible?
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I got it under my eye one time and the doctor was like, bro, if it hits your eye, you re fucked.
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I was like, oh, that s reassuring.
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Hey, thank you.
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But yeah, every month I was on it.
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I remember I used to go trips to Mexico to get some medicine.
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So I d go down there, buy a bunch of doxycycline, buy like 90 tablets of it.
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I d just sit on it, keep taking them.
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Used to buy my steroids down in Mexico too.
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But isn t that, that s probably would fuck Gordon s stomach up.
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The steroids?
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No, I mean the antibiotics.
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I don t think the steroids help.
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Yeah, probably a bit of everything.
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Who knows, yeah.
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The antibiotics are definitely not good for you.
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But when you re on antibiotics, he was on antibiotics for a year straight, which first of all is crazy because the amount of discipline it takes to train that much while you re on antibiotics.
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For people who don t know, antibiotics wreck your cardio, just wreck your physical strength, wreck your vitality.
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I got staff once, and I remember I took antibiotics, and I don t think I had ever taken antibiotics before while I was training.
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And when I was recovering from staff, I was like, this is nuts.
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I feel like I m 50%.
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You re at 50%.
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Like, when Luke Rockhold beat Chris Weidman, he was on antibiotics.
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I mean, I ve taken a lot during matches.
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I ve taken it a lot.
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I ve been on it all the time.
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In the last two matches.
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It fucking wrecks you though, right?
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Yeah, I had bad staph on my leg.
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Like, even during that Philip Roe match.
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I remember I submitted him and then he had staph a few days later.
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I was like, got you twice, mate.
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But that was bad when the doctor had to cut that open and like squeeze it out.
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That was horrible.
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But I think, yeah, the more you take antibiotics, the less effect they have on you.
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So now I get staph, it s fucking really annoying.
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Do you use anything to protect your skin?
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Like, do you use defense soap or anything like that?
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Nah, I just try to shower straight afterwards, you know, just regular soap.
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Yeah anything I think we have some branded soap in there But like I think it s just important like I mean we re dealing with some people that don t even know how to shower like that s crazy Yeah, someone I have a quick rinse get out of there, you know I would see guys do that when they would train and they would just go home sweaty I m like you re out of your fucking mind like you re allowing that stuff to breed on your skin while you re in your car It s hot out
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That was Puerto Rico.
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We had no showers at the gym.
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Oh God.
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So we d have a 60 minute drive home after each class without having a shower.
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Oh, that s insane.
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Not good for the car fabric smell.
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But was the Puerto Rico gym, wasn t that exposed to sunlight at least?
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Wasn t the mat exposed to sunlight?
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Not enough.
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But you know what?
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Because I get in the ocean every day.
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I think maybe that helped.
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Oh, that probably helps a lot.
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A lot of sunshine down there too.
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Yeah, that probably helps a lot.
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Sunlight on the mats apparently is a great thing.
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Like if you could open up garage doors and have sunlight on the mats, apparently that kills a lot of things.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I also think sometimes like the overtraining, like your immune system s just down because maybe you re stressed and sleeping.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You re really stressed about a match.
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A lot of people get stuff around a match because
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They push the training up due to the anxiety of the match.
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They re thinking about it messes with their sleep, and then they re just vulnerable to it.
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When you were training, did you ever monitor your heart rate, check your heart rate in the morning, make sure you re not overtraining?
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You know, I thought about doing that stuff, the HIV stuff.
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Thought about it.
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I looked up one of the machines at the time.
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I was like, fuck, that s expensive, eh?
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I mean, now I don t monitor anything.
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I get my blood pressure checked.
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It s concerning, you know?
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I almost failed the last two medicals because the doctor was like, bro, your blood pressure s through the roof.
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Really?
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I was like, pass it, man.
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It s jiu-jitsu.
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It s not MMA.
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Why would your blood pressure be so high?
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Good question, eh?
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Probably too much caffeine.
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Think that s it?
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I don t know.
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We should find out, but I m busy traveling all the time.
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I should look into it.
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You don t know what s wrong?
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Freak me out.
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My blood pressure was high now.
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You re freaking me out.
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I Mean I just feel like I ve got to survive for this shit.
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Oh, I understand but you re you re relying on your body That s your business.
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Your business is your body and I just hope it s a faulty test, you know, my blood pressure 100%
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I don t think they re ever wrong with blood breath.
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I mean there s factors.
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You can be stressed out That ll that ll raise up your blood pressure.
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I was making jokes with the doctor last time I competed in Dubai And I was making jokes with him, and he was just
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Like not laughing at all.
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He s like not having a day the Mexican doctor for karate combat loved it, but not the Dubai guy Oh, that s funny.
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I faced uh, you know the guy in the UFC that finished Kevin Lee real quick.
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He not He finished Kevin Lee like he knocked him down guillotined him in a minute.
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Oh the last guy.
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Yeah his last fight cover his last name.
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We re not we re not
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Remember his name right he was crazy though, man.
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He did not want to tap.
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I didn t buggy choke put him in a triangle He went to there it is.
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We re not how to say that fucker read off For credit off for credit off his middle name s tougher there.
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Yeah Wow rash dick rash to Vic he s just like how can I fucking make Bruce Buffer s life difficult a I
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Yeah, bro buffers got it rough.
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I got it rough on the I fuck up all the time on the The weigh-ins when I have to do the way did I get angry with you?
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Does anyone know?
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No, no, luckily no one s gotten angry at me, but it s always a mistake I ve fucked up a few times.
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It s hard.
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Those words are hot.
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Sometimes your mouth just doesn t work, right?
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You know, it just doesn t come out, right?
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I fucked up Umar Nurmagomedov s name once when I was after his fight and
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I was like, God damn it.
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It just came out like... I can t even say it now, hey.
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It s hard.
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Zabit was the hardest.
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Magomed Sharipov.
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Zabit Magomed Sharipov.
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That was a guy that I was like, fuck, man.
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I was really bummed out when he stepped out, when he just decided enough s enough.
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I think he s a doctor now.
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Really, I think so find out what he s doing.
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There s a beat Magomed Sharapov.
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That guy was fucking good He did some cool shit.
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Oh, he is wild shit He was so interesting because he was from Dagestan, but he fought like a he you know like almost like a karate fighter Yeah, crazy kick.
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Yeah wild kicks man, and he could do anything.
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I mean crazy trips, too He would do that trip.
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Oh, yeah the he sort of made the way with that now folks does a lot of guys try to do that one I
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Yeah, he was very good at that one particular trip.
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He s just so clever so clever and creative and such an interesting fighter to watch I was a bummed out man like really bummed out when that guy retired.
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I was like shit That s why I love traveling around finding these guys like these mysterious guys like I was in Japan I could have dinner with Genki Suda
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Ah, I love that dude.
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That s the coolest guy ever hey.
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Genki Sudo is the man.
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He s like a politician now.
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He s done it all.
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Remember when he used to carry around that flag with all the flags and we are all one?
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What a beautiful guy.
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So cool man, so cool.
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Win a fight and then hold this up like we are all one.
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And then he just retired to pursue becoming a pop star, and now he s a politician.
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He was a pop star?
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Yeah, he owns restaurants.
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Yeah, have you seen his dancing videos?
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No.
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What s it called?
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Imagine a guy who fights that could probably dance like a motherfucker.
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Crazy dancing.
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Genki Sudo won... I forget the name of it.
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Like, dancing, montage, singing, he does it all.
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No shit.
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Wow.
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I m not surprised.
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He s a creative guy.
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He was creative as a fighter too.
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Very interesting fighter to watch.
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He retired and like he became a pop star to grow in popularity.
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Like even fighting wasn t his focus.
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He just wanted to leverage fighting and becoming a pop star to help him get into politics to help people.
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He really just wants to help people.
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So those were side gigs to get him to where he is today where he can use his political influence to help people in Japan.
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Wow, that is amazing.
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Does he, look at him.
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Is this him dancing?
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Oh yeah.
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First pitch with all these dudes behind him.
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Oh, a terrible pitch.
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Wow.
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That s pretty good some crazy man him back in that west side grappling tournament.
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He like was hitting some moves back then Oh, yeah, man innovative today.
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Yeah wild explosive Interesting guy just very interesting.
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I mean, that s the kind of thing about the sport That s so cool Is that you get these human beings are just exceptional human beings that decide to challenge themselves and one of the most difficult things a person can do
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Like Volkanovsky, he s a very interesting guy.
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Because it takes extreme character and will and discipline to become Alexander Volkanovsky, the greatest featherweight of all time.
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I mean, it takes a lot to be that person.
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And you learn a lot just by being around those people.
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You learn about human potential.
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Yeah, I mean, I even learned grappling from these guys.
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People think I show up and I m just helping them.
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Those guys are so talented, I still shit from them as well.
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You know just I don t know how they do it all Vox does it all what have you learned from Vogue?
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I mean just the way like I really still a lot from MMA fighters and how they turtle and get up from there Mmm, a lot of grapplers don t understand that like until they roll with a good MMA guy and the guy just keeps getting up and they re like What is happening like Derek Lewis?
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Yeah, they just he just stands up.
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I love that I stole that for an instructional name just stand up and I was like Derek Lewis inspired
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Now, you did do that, right?
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You did make a whole instructional about getting up.
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Yeah.
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Is it because some guys get just too captured with the idea of engaging and grappling and not getting up?
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Yeah, well, like if a guy gets his guard passed, a jujitsu guy would just look to get guard back, whereas sometimes it s good to expose your back and just stand up and reset, whereas a lot of jujitsu guys are so scared to expose their back, they refuse to ever do it.
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So it s like when an MMA guy does it, they don t know how to deal with it.
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They re not as good at dealing with it.
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It s foreign to them.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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Because you don t think about it.
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Yeah.
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Well, it s always like when you have new variabilities, new variables, new variables into any sort of fighting discipline, like, oh, this is a new thing that I didn t consider.
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Yeah, I love that.
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That s what I love about jiu-jitsu.
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Jiu-jitsu can be more complicated, MMA s a bit more simple.
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So it s like, we can make all these instructions in jiu-jitsu about all these weird positions like octopus guard and stuff, because you can be endlessly creative, whereas in MMA the consequences are so strong, severe.
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It s a much simpler game.
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It doesn t mean it s easier.
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There s just less things you can do.
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Well, that s what s interesting is that guys in MMA in general aren t as good at submissions because they have all these other disciplines to consider.
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It s like when I went from taekwondo to kickboxing, one of the things that I realized like, oh, when people are punching you in the face,
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There s a lot of stuff you can t do.
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But if people aren t punching you in the face, damn, you get good at kicking.
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And so these guys who are used to getting punched in the face, there s stuff that they don t have the dexterity, they don t have the ability to do.
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And I don t know if you develop that to the same extent.
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When you see guys like Wonderboy, who started out with karate, that guy can do stuff with his legs that the average person can t do.
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You know, or Yair, Yair Rodriguez.
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That s crazy.
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Oh, my God, that guy.
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He s one of my favorite guys to watch because his fucking kicks are crazy.
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They just come from everywhere.
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Who s he fighting next?
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That s a good question.
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Did he just fight, he just fought Tegre s last fight?
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I believe, was that his last fight?
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Let s say pull up Yair Rodriguez, but let s just find out what Yair Rodriguez s next fight is.
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I don t know if they ve announced it.
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I haven t heard anything.
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Yeah, it s funny when you re in the, uh, when you friends with a bunch of MMA fighters, sometimes they let you know a fight that s not been announced.
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You re like, fuck, I better not say, better not drop the news, get in trouble.
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Yeah, that happens all the time.
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Yeah.
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I fuck up a few times.
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Does it say?
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Nothing booked.
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Was Otegre s last one?
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Yeah, so he lost to Ortega, and before that, Volkanovski.
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Volkanovski beat his ass.
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That was a prime Volkanovski display.
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Yeah, that was crazy.
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That man, yeah, he s just so strong.
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He s a mauler.
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Outmuscled him in the clinch, and we worked on a bunch of stuff because of how dangerous his guard is.
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He s got a dangerous guard, and we had to overcome the fact that
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If you leave space against him, he throws elbows that cut you.
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Right.
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So it s like we had to navigate those areas.
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And really it was good, like training Vox for a guy like, yeah, he is awesome because when he s on bottom, there s like a big contingent of Mexican MMA fighters that have really dangerous guards.
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Diego Lopez trains there, I think he s from Manaus originally, but he trains a bunch of guys there.
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And just aggressive bottom game, where if you leave space they throw elbows, and if you re close they re trying to set up high guards and submissions.
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So it s like, we really had to prepare for how dangerous he is there.
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He s one of the frontrunners, in my opinion.
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First of all, how the fuck does that guy make 145?
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Shredded yeah He s so dangerous man, you know, who do you fight super Sadiq Yusuf?
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He stopped him in the first round went before that fight.
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I was telling everybody I was like, I think this guy s the guy I think he s the next guy to emerge wonder who he s booked against.
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I remember his first fight was like short notice against
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Mosbar yeah, I thought he won.
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I it was very close and mosvar is undefeated and one of the best guys in the division But Diego s scary.
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It s not just that he s good.
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He s fucking scary He s intense and from everywhere like submissions submissions knockouts and his fucking stand-up is horrific.
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Yeah We re just climb Mount Everest Jesus Christ.
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Yeah here.
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That s the most recent thing fucking relax, bro
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He s not tough.
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He doesn t even look like he s fucking wearing anything.
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He s warm.
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He s out birdwatching Look at he s got a fucking giant pack on walking around Rucking that s a good way to develop some cardio.
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I ll tell you that it looks fun But I definitely want someone else to hold the bag.
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Hey, no, that s how you get the cardio You have to carry the bag on your back.
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That s all I did I
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What are the guys that help you out the mountain those guys yeah the Sherpas yeah They but I think he s trying to get fit.
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I think that s the whole idea It s interesting when a guy like that is just so good at one area which is kicking and very good off his back submission and
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But then struggles in a couple other like he s almost there.
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He s like right there at the tippy-top But not quite at the level of the guys that are beating him just but like remember when he lost to Frankie Came back from that and just become a much better fighter much better fighter Just people counted him out a couple times and he like almost reinvented himself like surprise people, you know, I
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That happens so often.
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People counted out Max Holloway.
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You know, Max Holloway, the last fight with Volk, Volk dominated.
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And Max just said, hey, that was his night.
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He had a great night.
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And that is a fact of fighting, too.
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Sometimes a guy will clip you in the first round, and you re kind of not the same.
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But if he didn t clip you, maybe you would have won.
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Maybe if you just engaged Max Holloway, he gets caught with that jump spinning back kick to the nose at the end of the first round.
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Shattered his nose.
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That s a big factor big factor doesn t land that who knows fight was a fucking amazing fight still Even with that shattered nose crazy I was watching that I was in Dubai for karate combat and I was watching that at the breakfast buffet with all the staff at the Buffet at the hotel.
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I was that everyone will going crazy.
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I put the laptop down eating omelets It was the craziest fight ever in the last 10 seconds when max points to the floor a fight that he s winning and
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Four rounds to one crazy to just call the guy out.
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We re gonna do that in jiu-jitsu like give each other a leg Let s fucking go.
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I don t think that s the same Both get broken.
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Well, that s an interesting thing about like the EBI rules How do you like those rules the rules where?
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When it goes to overtime you start either on a person s back or start from what they call spiderweb was just you know psychotropic Trying to get an arm
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I mean, I like anything creative like that that s gonna force people to train those different areas, like, but the majority of the sport, especially old school guys, don t like it.
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It s very difficult to get them to compete under those rules.
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Me, personally, I like any rule set I can beat a guy in.
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So I had Philippe Penne match, and the UFC Fight Pass guys were like, oh, what rule set should we do?
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And I was like, I think EBI is pretty good, you know?
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But I like the rule set strategically.
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Against particular opponents, but you know like I like Kyle Baines and planet guy one of the best overtime guys in the world Like if I had a match with you might be like, huh?
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We ll just do a regular rules match, you know, right?
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So like it s it s sort of strategy based right based on the opponent s strengths like even Nicky Road against Gordon Like they went to OT.
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Mm-hmm, and it was fucking close, you know, and it s like that is very stressful.
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It s exciting
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It s exciting, but if guys get submitted in those areas, sometimes people don t consider it real, even though it is, you know?
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They re like, oh, it s an overtime victory.
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You didn t really submit him, but you did.
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Right.
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When Nicky grabbed that foot.
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Yeah, just fucking ripped it, eh?
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I mean, how bad is his leg fucked up still?
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You gotta think, like, that s doing some damage.
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I just think, like, what was hilarious about that is, like, he was meant, Gordon s meant to face Vinny Margulesh.
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And no disrespect to Vinny, Vinny s just at a later stage of his career, right?
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Vinny, when he was young, was a monster.
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Was incredible.
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And then it s like, two days before, they flipped the script and you got Nicky Rod.
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And you know what I mean?
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And I just can just picture him just getting his foot broken, being like, what the fuck?
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Right.
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What the fuck just happened, you know?
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When I watched it, I was like, Jesus Christ, that is a lot of... Nikki is such a gorilla.
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It was loud.
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So loud.
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It was like, you heard the snap, eh?
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Sometimes though you get popped and it s so fast that it s the damage is already done and you re just like well It s already injured.
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Let s keep going, you know, right, but some obviously some of the submissions are holding tension points slowly breaking But the ones that are quick sometimes guys don t tap because it s like you didn t even have time to process it Well, what about the one with you and Vinny where you broke his leg?
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That was disgusting.
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Yeah, that still haunts me.
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Hey, I
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But yeah, I don t know.
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How the fuck did he keep going and why did he keep going?
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But that s just it.
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You got to be careful what shit talk you say like I try to be careful with what I say I m never gonna be like leg locks don t work cuz he got put in a leg lock in 20 seconds and his leg broken It s like now you committed to the bit, you know, like did was he saying leg legs don t work and then he s just leg exploded and I m like That s such a crazy thing to say leg locks don t work It s cuz he had had matches with Gary and Gordon and they got some pops on him, but he hadn t submitted
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So maybe they laid the groundwork for me, but I think a spiral fracture of his fibula, his ankle, yeah, disturbing.
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That was where I was like, bro, I wouldn t let that happen for a million.
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I don t know how much Chael Sonnen s paying you, but it must be more than me.
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I just think it s his pride, you know, just didn t want to tap.
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But the fact that he kept going after the leg snapped, that was loud.
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That was, yeah, that was loud.
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And the second one, I saw the bone poking into the skin.
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Like, if I d kept going, it would have probably, like, his whatever bone fragment would have come out.
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Yeah.
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And I was just like... I was nervous.
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I was like, bro, is this guy waiting for overtime?
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Like, he just didn t want to tap.
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And then the ref called it because his leg was... Dangling.
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I did the first heel hook, and then the second one, I baited him where I pretended like I was going for his other leg.
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So he gave me the bad one again.
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But he was laughing because he was like, fuck, I couldn t have you break both my legs.
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It s like Monty Python.
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Oh, my God.
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So you knew it was already broken?
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so My foot hit the ground at the exact second his leg snapped in half So for a second like I felt a little bit of crunching, but I didn t hear it Everyone else in the room heard it And then he gets out of it.
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I was just like wow this fucking guy s flexible way and then he says to me because I think he broke my leg and
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Oh no, he said it in the middle of the match.
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Yeah, we start talking and I m just like, what s happening here?
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Right?
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How strange.
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And I was like, well, you want to keep going?
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All right.
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And he gave, like, I ended up back with the same leg.
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And it was just no resistance his ankle just did a full I just kept on see if you can find that Jamie That s this horrible.
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That was the one that was the most disturbing jujitsu match.
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I ve ever watched Yeah, I just I just couldn t understand like I was just like bro.
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Why are you making me do this?
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Yeah, please tap you re giving me trauma.
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I remember watching like with this look on my face like Don t fucking
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I just felt bad for him, because he s a fucking good guy.
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And I was just like, man, did you not tap because you said leg locks don t work?
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Were you committed to it?
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It was quick, though.
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It was a quick break.
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Doesn t he still have a plate in there?
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Honestly, I don t know.
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But he came back and competed against Mason Fowler maybe four or five months later.
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That s crazy.
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And it s just like, you re getting some mileage on the body there, bro.
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Is it worth it?
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I mean, better than the tibia, I guess.
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The fibula, I ve cracked my fibula before.
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It s not as bad, it s a small bone.
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You know, and they can just let it fix.
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You know, let it heal up once they screw it together.
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I wouldn t let it break, I d be like, uh-uh.
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Yeah, the noise is bad.
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I ve broken a few legs, and I m just like, what?
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So here it is.
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Is this before?
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There s the first ones, the breaks at the start of the match, so his leg s already broken here.
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So you go to like 20 seconds.
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Yeah, that right there.
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So we hit like a 50-50 invasion.
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You hear it.
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He might want to turn that knee down and pull this leg out.
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He s actually in a little bit deep.
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Oh, dude.
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Yeah, so look at this.
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Oh, dude, you hear it.
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Oh, look at his foot.
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Look where his foot is.
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And then he tries to get me.
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Oh, my.
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I let go of it because I was like, he can t let his leg break and then me just out.
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He s huge here too.
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Dude, the sound is so awful.
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The sound of broken bones, I never get it.
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Like Chris Weidman when he fought Uriah Hall, it was like full power, and Uriah checked it, and you see snap, you hear the snap, and you see his leg bend over like, ugh.
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That s where it s like, it s crazy how people react to that shit, where Conor McGregor was still just talking shit.
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That s fucking hilarious to me.
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He s a psychopath.
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He s such a psychopath.
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Never miss a moment.
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He didn t even have the painkilling whistle yet, but he was ready for some shit talking.
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I know.
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Did you see him partying like a night or two ago?
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You reckon real?
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I mean, it doesn t mean he s drinking.
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He s vibing.
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That s a legendary man.
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He s with his wife.
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He s got his shirt off.
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Looks like he s having a good time.
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I mean, it looked like he wasn t sober, but he could just be a fucking maniac.
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It s mind games though, maybe.
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It could be that, yeah.
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That s what I did with Lovato.
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I kept talking about how I was partying all the time, and I was, but I was
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like maybe it s gonna mess with you know what I mean like right right right so here s Connor and he s kissing his wife he s throwing he took his shirt off he s getting crazy but I mean he could just be enthusiastic I don t know I saw Roadhouse he ain t that good actor
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Shane Gillis has an amazing bit about Roadhouse.
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You have to see it.
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Oh, really?
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It s so fucking funny.
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He s a legend, eh?
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I want to get him involved in this.
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I want to get some comedians commentating just shit-talking the grappling world, you know?
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Oh, that s funny.
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Hilarious.
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We d have to get guys who know some grappling.
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Joey Diaz.
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Joey Diaz would be amazing.
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Surprise interviews on people.
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I think he d be fucking... Oh, he would be amazing.
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Well, he wouldn t do interviews, I don t think.
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He wouldn t be good at that, but he d be good at, like, commentary.
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Get him in the booth.
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Just get him talking shit.
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Yeah.
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Fucking people s names up.
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I ll get him to corner me against Gabby.
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He might do it.
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He might do it.
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He might do it.
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You never know.
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I cornered Higin in Abu Dhabi.
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Oh, you did?
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In 2003.
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He didn t have anybody with him.
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He said, Joe Hogan.
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He said, just tell me when the time.
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Because Higin hadn t been training that much, wasn t in the best of shape.
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Just let me know what time.
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I was just yelling out what the time is.
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Yeah, that s what I say sometimes.
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I m just like, just let me know the time.
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Let me know if you think I m burning too much gas.
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Too relaxed and I m like that s that s the key here right right having Joey Diaz in your corner would be fucking hysterical Alex Jones That s a tough guy to get involved with the charities yeah our foundation with my business partner Seth our foundation is called the Fair Fight Foundation And I m just like it s probably not good to start it with fighting a woman, but it s a bold move Well, that s a fair fight though.
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She s so big.
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I mean she might outweigh you by what do you walk around at 205 she got a few pounds of me for sure at least 40 I
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Last night we were video calling each other and we were both taking Anova and I was like, I popped a 50 and she popped a 25.
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I was like, you need more than that to beat me, you pussy.
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I took some screenshots, hey, I don t know if I ll release it.
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SPEAKER_01
That s hilarious.
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I should talk her to get the contract signed, you know.
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You should have Joey Diaz do commentary for that fight.
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That would be the perfect fight for him to do commentary for.
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Yeah, just commentate.
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Yeah, because Joey does do jiu-jitsu.
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He knows a little bit.
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He definitely knows positions and he talks so much shit.
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He s just so hilarious.
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I m gonna take it serious, but I am gonna come out in a white tank top smoking a cigarette, probably, you know?
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I ll put it on the corner of the mat and see if I can finish it before it finishes, you know?
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Wow.
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Yeah, well, having something like that would definitely be an added element of fun.
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Some fun, the tournament s serious.
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Obviously, you guys are going to be killing each other.
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And then a bit of entertainment, you know?
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A bit of a battle of the sexes, I guess you could say.
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Definitely that.
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Sort of.
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A battle of the enhanced sexes.
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Yeah, who s more enhanced though?
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Yeah, she is.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I gotta know her stack.
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I wish, what I wanted to do was run an event where we drug tested, but it was anonymous.
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And just for my own personal enjoyment, I just want to see who took the most of anything, you know?
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Right.
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See if there s any hallow testing in there or something.
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It would be fun to see, like, what, because jujitsu is an open steroid using event.
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Have you heard of the enhanced games?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, I was reading about that having those guys on so the enhanced games is this they re going to allow all the athletes to take performance enhancing drugs and The idea is like we should have athletes perform to the best way.
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I mean I m putting words in their mouth, but that s scientifically possible
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in the best way scientifically possible.
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It s like, like, here s a for instance, like this, Ryan Garcia fight, you know, Ryan Garcia, he beats Devin Haney spectacular fashion looks amazing pops for Austerine, very low doses of Austerine, which are not going to affect him in terms of performance enhancing ability during the fight itself.
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I don t know how he took it or what he took it.
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I know people have gotten Austerine accidentally sugar Sean O Malley.
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Got it through tainted supplements.
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They proved it.
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It s more than once that s happened.
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Yo, well, yo, well, yeah, I sued you One yeah, which is if you would think anybody would not be fucking natural.
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It s that guy How does he still look like he does the Cuban fucking athlete program?
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That s how he s grappling He s taking a grappling match in Britain against a grappler.
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Oh and lives II so we ll see have a grappling Oh, it s a beast
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That s very interesting.
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Who do you think takes it?
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That s a good question.
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It s a very good question I think Yoel was one of the very best Cuban wrestlers ever.
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I mean, he s a fucking tank Yes, so what silver medal at the Olympics Adam Saityaf beat him, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, he s a monster, man.
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And physically, he s just such an imposing force.
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Like Luke Rockhold said that it hurt.
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Robert Whitaker said the same thing.
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He said it hurts when you hit him.
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It s like he s made out of metal.
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Probably hurts when he kisses you as well.
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After he knocks you out?
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Yeah.
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That was rough.
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That s a rough way to go.
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Well, you know, Luke likes to talk shit, and you talk shit to that guy.
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Are you?
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He did the salsa dancing for the press conference.
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That was the best too, picking women out of the crowd.
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You don t want it to take your missus.
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You d be like, fuck it and sit back down.
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I know, exactly.
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That guy s such a fucking animal.
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I mean, I really wish he d gotten into MMA earlier in his career.
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It would have been amazing to see.
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Because I think when he entered the UFC, he was in his late 30s.
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Yeah, he s up there now.
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He s 46 now.
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That s crazy.
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And he still looks amazing.
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That s Randy Katua.
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Yeah, but like he doesn t look 46 like Randy looked like a strong 46 year old I need that Cuban stack.
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Yeah, what his stack is not I mean I ve told this story before for people that have heard it I m sorry, but one of the things that happened to Yoel when he got injured he fought in the UFC and then they brought him to a doctor he had an orbital fracture and Some other issues they brought him to the doctor the doctor said to the UFC said where did you get this guy?
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And he s like, yeah, he s amazing, right?
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He goes, no, you don t understand.
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He goes, I ve never seen a human being like this before.
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The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person s.
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He said his orbital bone is already healing.
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So this guy s a freak.
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How do I get to that level?
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I think you got to be born in Cuba.
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And they start messing around.
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What a shitty convict genetics from Australia.
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I think it s, I just wonder what they do in Cuba for the athletes.
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Do you know what I m saying?
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I mean, without casting any aspersions in terms of performance enhancing supplements.
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There s only one way to find out.
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Yeah.
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Go there.
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Ask them.
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I don t know.
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You know, I don t know what they did.
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But I mean, the guy s like Wolverine, but he s also a genetic specimen.
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I mean, there s only so much you could do with steroids.
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I mean, that guy.
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I know, I ve tried.
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But you don t even lift weights, which is so crazy.
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You re taking steroids without lifting weights.
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I mean, from time to time, just no good lifting program.
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A few pull-ups here and there.
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Yeah, but that s just not, I don t think steroids are going to, well, they re going to help you recover and train.
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Yeah, they definitely help your well-being, I think.
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Yeah.
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Well, if you re training 365, that s the argument, right?
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If you re training 365 days a year, like, and that s also the argument for like tour de France, you know, I ve heard it argued from people that really are experts that you re actually healthier to take steroids and performance enhancing drugs to do tour de France than you are without it because your body just can t recover without it.
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It s just so grueling.
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It s such a brutal race.
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There s a reason why so many of them are blood doping.
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So many of them are,
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taking EPO and testosterone.
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I always wanted to try EPO.
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Actually like some people criticize me for saying I take steroids and jujitsu, but my like the way I look at it is the kids, the next generation, they re gonna take it anyway.
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I at least want to put out, I put out my exact stack and I just want to send it out as almost like a
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It s like drugs, just saying no doesn t work.
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It s like, I want to let them know I m taking a safe amount under doctor s guidance and that it s not a mystery where they re thinking like, I have to pump one gram a week and all this stuff to compete at a high level.
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So it s like a middle ground.
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Obviously you get criticized for it, but it s like, the other option is they don t know what a high level athlete s taking and they fucking ruin their body taking crazy dosages.
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Well, it d be interesting, like, what would jujitsu look like if steroids weren t legal?
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I mean, one of the things we found out when you saw it came into the UFC, even though there was previous drug testing, it was really only during the weigh-ins, which is kind of just an intelligence test.
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That s all it is.
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Like, when you look at Alistair Overeem versus Brock Lesnar, the idea that either one of those motherfuckers is clean is crazy talk.
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That s crazy talk, especially Alistair.
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I mean Alistair was he fought when he fought 205 when he fought look at like back when he fought Chuck Liddell at 205 and then look at him at 265 he gained 60 pounds and he looks like a fucking superhero uber EAM Like those days like when he won the k1 grand prix and when he when he had a hurry and stuff Oh my god, I love it when they said the old days with it was an intelligence test because many guys still failed that intelligence test.
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I
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You know what it is.
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You know how it is like you re in gyms.
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You have gym bros that are coaching you They don t really know what the fuck they re talking about, but they say a lot of good big words, and you gotta pass
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a test, and you rely on these meatheads to try to pass the test.
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You need a Victor Conte on the line, hey.
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Well, there s people that have those people.
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I m sure there s people, I m just guessing, just throwing it out there, but I don t think everyone s clean.
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I think there s probably some really, there s so much money involved in MMA now, there s probably some really sophisticated scientists that are working with elite athletes, and they re developing protocols that are either undetectable or they have a short-lasting
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You like which is probably why you saw it wakes you up at 6 o clock in the morning You know the idea is like to catch you while it s still in your system if you have short-acting stuff That s like a test propionate or something like the movies Yeah, like weren t they doing that in baseball?
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They were taking like testosterone gummies and the idea is that they they metabolize so quickly you get the effect of them But then they re out of your system by the time you get tested
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I tried those, tasted like shit, you know?
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I don t know if they did anything.
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I mean, it s a fucking gummy with testosterone in it.
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How could it taste good?
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Throw it under the tongue.
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What does it taste like?
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Just bad, hey.
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Like chemical?
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Yeah, like it sits there a while.
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I remember I was trying to get legal steroids in Australia when I was coming up and I just couldn t do it.
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My doctor gave me the testosterone gummies.
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I was like, fuck this shit.
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It s like, I felt like it wouldn t work.
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In Australia, what are the laws like?
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I mean here, I think any GP can prescribe testosterone.
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In Australia, you have to be like an endocrinologist.
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They added a layer to it, and it s hard to see an endocrinologist that s going to give testosterone to a young, healthy dude, you know?
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Guys back there would do all sorts of crazy shit, like they re not asleep for a couple days, they beat off a bunch of times, try and crash the levels, go get the blood check.
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Doctors are like, oh, your test is low.
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Yeah.
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Well, another thing, the problem with the test being low, this is what they found when they did it, they had testosterone use exemptions in the UFC for a brief amount of time, a few years.
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And those are the Vitor Belfort years.
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And the problem is, when a guy s done steroids his whole life, his endocrine system is fucked up already.
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So you go in there and they test your testosterone level, and you re like, wow, your levels are super low.
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Like, you need testosterone.
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Like, thank you.
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But the reason why they re low is because you ve been on steroids your whole life.
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Yeah, your body doesn t make it anymore.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you look at Vitor from the early days, like Vitor in UFC 12, when he fought Scott Ferozzo and Trey Telegman, he weighed like 200 pounds.
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They used to call him Vito Gracie back then.
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Victor, Victor Gracie.
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I was training at school.
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Why d they throw the C in there?
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I don t know.
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It was a K. It was a K. Oh, K, Victor.
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Yeah, it was, I don t know.
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I don t understand it.
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I don t know why they did that.
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And I know that, I think they were threatening to sue him if he used the Gracie name.
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I think, uh, someone.
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You re so protective of that shit, hey.
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Yes.
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I think it was Orion.
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Orion was very, Hicks-on.
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Representing the man.
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Yeah, where d you get that?
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Some brand sent it to me.
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I like it that way dope shirt.
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I should remember the name.
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He was the fucking man, huh?
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The shirt company feel bad for him.
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Oh Fuck it people find it.
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Is it on the back anywhere for a label?
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Don t say anything.
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Just see a tag label us.
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What does it say on the bottom?
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Was it there?
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Is that the name?
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Was the bottom say there Oh just says Hickson
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Oh man, I feel bad for him.
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But cool shirt honoring the OG.
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It s pretty dope.
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He is the OG.
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He was the fucking man.
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Cool motherfucker, yeah.
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Did you ever train with him?
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I ve never trained with him, never met him.
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Really?
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Interesting dude, man.
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Very interesting dude.
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I got a chance to watch Coliseum.
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Remember when he fought Funaki?
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Was that his last one?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I got a chance to watch footage of that with him in his house.
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The one with the guy came to the gym row was at the gym challenge.
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No, I didn t watch that He didn t show me that someone s gonna have that.
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He s got it.
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He s gonna get that.
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I know I m like release that Why don t you release that?
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That was Yoji Anjo, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he came to a challenge back.
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Mm-hmm Just beat the taped up his knuckles with duct tape and beat the fuck out of him and he go Yeah, and he s like if we are competing when you tap it s over if we re fighting it s
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When I m dumb and I m done, I decide.
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You just beat the fuck out of that dude.
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That s some scary shit.
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I feel sad for him now.
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He s going, oh, Parkinson s, right?
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Who does?
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I believe Hickson does.
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Does he really?
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I believe so, yeah.
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No kidding.
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I didn t hear that.
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Yeah, I saw Kira Gracie announce something about it.
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See, I always wonder, because we talked about Freddie Roach.
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That s trauma-induced Parkinson s.
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And Hickson didn t get hit a whole lot in his career, but he did get hit.
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I always wonder.
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Yeah.
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Hicks and Gracie fight against Parkinson s.
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I m not scared of death, but quitting is unacceptable.
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Rolling Stone magazine?
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Whoa.
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This is Rolling Stone?
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That s crazy.
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That is crazy that there s a Hicks and Gracie article in Rolling Stone.
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That s amazing.
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Wow.
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Fuck, man, Parkinson s.
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I hope we get Krohn back.
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I hope so, too.
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He might come back to grappling, maybe.
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Well, I mean, his last fight in MMA, it just looked like he was just trying to pull guard and work off his back.
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It s just he just didn t look like he s prepared.
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I know a place he could do that.
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Yeah Do you think he would be willing to me?
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He was such an elite grappler the Gary Tonin match What a fucking match that was holy shit, man craziest shit ever that was before Gary was training with The Donahue death squad right wasn t it?
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Either, I mean, good question.
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We have to, if we saw the match, we d see who was in the corner.
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Because this was definitely before the leg lock days.
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Yeah.
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This was a long time ago.
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Gary was dominating that fight until the very end.
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Back in those days was crazy.
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I still miss Eddie Cummings.
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I m like, what happened to him?
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You know what I mean?
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Right.
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What did happen to him?
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That guy was good.
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I ve tried to catch up with him a couple of times in New York, like reached out.
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I m like, I just want to have lunch with the guy.
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I m like, but he s like, he just left the grappling world, just vanished.
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What is he doing?
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No, I don t think anyone knows he came back.
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I saw you in a couple videos He came back to Hinzo s and trained a couple times But I think he doesn t like any media attention and like it s so cool around on Instagram and he just vanished again.
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Really?
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Yes kidding.
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So crazy.
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Yeah, go on.
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He was interesting guy.
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Oh, he was an elite grappler, too Well, he was one of the very best of the leg lock guys in the early early days.
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He was scary We ll copy him.
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You know, he was a scary scary dude super smart like really intelligent guy
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And now, yeah, he ended up with Otavia Bourdain, right?
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Yeah, they started dating when she started training at Henzo s.
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And I don t know what happened.
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I think she competed in grappling a lot as well.
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Yeah, she had fucked up knees, man.
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Her knees were all blown out.
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I remember trying to tell her to get surgery.
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To fix them up?
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Eddie kept breaking them, probably.
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I don t know.
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Drilling.
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I think she had at least one with no ACL.
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That s crazy, eh?
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Doesn t Nicky have a fucked up knee Nicky Ryan Nicky Ryan does man Nicky Ryan gets injured every three minutes You know, I mean, he s made a glass.
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Unfortunately, I injured him.
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I came back train with him one round injured him the other day I m just like fuck but how does this happen?
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I felt that s a bit of a weird scramble, but he just beat JT Taurus So like biggest win of his that was a big win.
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Yeah, he looked great in that that was beautiful Yeah, he said he was training real serious for that But doesn t he have like one ACL that s gone?
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Yeah, yeah.
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I remember he tore his ACL and the doctors were like, okay, we re going to attempt surgery or you can do rehab only.
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So he just did nothing and just kept training.
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He didn t even rehab the thing.
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I m like, bro, do something.
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Yeah.
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He s wild.
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That s not wise for the future though.
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Not at all.
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I mean, I think he had 95% of his meniscus removed in one of his legs.
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Oh, God damn it.
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Yeah, I m pretty sure one surgeon was like, I won t do that.
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You re too young for it, but you got it done.
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Well, you know, they do meniscus replacements.
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Oh, they do that?
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Yes, they do cadaver meniscus replacements, especially with young people.
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It s really effective.
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He wouldn t need that, man.
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He s got some mileage in the body.
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So it s like his knees are shot.
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God, I hope he does it.
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Because he can do it, and it ll actually take.
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We got him in this though, he s going after the million.
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That ll be exciting.
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With a fucked up knee?
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There s always something fucked up with him, you know?
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He s always injured in some way.
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Well, isn t that the case just like with so many elite combat sports athletes.
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It s very rare other than boxers.
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It s very rare There s a story going around about this NBA player who got a meniscus from a donor.
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Yeah, I mean, it s a cadaver Yes, they don t say cadaver at all.
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No, that s what they mean.
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They mean a donor.
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Yeah, no one s gonna give you their fuck It s a cadaver donor and like I said, it is it s effective it s possible and
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for I think there s an age where they don t recommend it anymore because of the lack of blood circulation.
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But I always wonder for who, though, like when they say, you know, you can t do it after 40.
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But for who?
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Like for the regular person who is a 40 year old who doesn t work out and is not like physically fit?
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Or if you did that to say someone like Stipe Miocic, like could he get a meniscus replacement when he s, you know, constantly training
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But how much does your age affect blood flow to that area?
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What is the factor?
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It doesn t make sense.
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If you still have a great VO2 max, you re still very fit, and you re super healthy, you train all the time, you obviously have great circulation.
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Like, I don t understand why, at a certain age, they wouldn t recommend it.
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I wonder if it s based on averages.
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Like, you take the average 50-year-old guy, and you give it to him, and his knee s still fucked up because his body didn t heal properly.
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But, like, with peptides, with all the things that are available today, and stem cells, I wonder.
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Yeah, there s gotta be some things you can do to stack the deck.
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I d be in your favor for that for sure.
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Once you remove your meniscus.
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I have a meniscus with scope to my left knee and it s always gonna be fucked up.
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There s always like something.
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Yeah, it s just grinding, right?
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Well, it s not all of mine is gone.
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It s only in a corner.
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but I suffered what s called a insufficiency fracture where you re, because there s no meniscus, I crashed skiing and I cracked my bones together so hard that it cracked the top of my shin bone.
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Skiing scares me.
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Snowboarding s dangerous.
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That was my last time skiing.
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I got a concussion.
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I fucking banged my head off the ground real hard.
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I was skiing around this corner and this lady didn t know what she was doing and she s like,
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That d be me and it was well, you know you learn but she was on you know a Fairly difficult trail and I m not a great skier, but you know, I ve good balance.
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I m pretty I m okay I know how to do it But I was like either I hit this lady and fucking kill her or I have to fall down So I chose falling down and I fucking bang my head so hard.
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I
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Like as my head banged.
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I m like oh that one counts.
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I was like No It would have been bad.
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It would have been bad cuz she wasn t very large, and I was no Gabby wasn t going slow Yeah, bro, that s like a bowling ball.
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Just fucking flying down the hill I mean all that weight
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the momentum of all that weight.
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I imagine when you re really big like my kids ski and they re they ski so easy because they re light and like we we we but the heavier you are like the more fucking momentum is coming down.
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What s in the injury skiing?
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Oh my god.
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Yeah, my friend Shane Dorian, he blew his fucking knee out snowboarding.
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He hit a tree, torched his knee.
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Had to get it reconstructed and stem cells and all that jazz.
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He s good to go now, but it took a long time before it was good.
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And I would imagine you re a professional surfer, one of the best in the world, big wave surfer.
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I mean, he s a fucking monster.
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I would do everything to preserve my goddamn knees.
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But he loves snowboarding so much, he s still back at it.
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You re insane man.
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Yeah, that s crazy.
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That s crazy.
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You d risk your career your career Well, I think he s kind of his career as a competition.
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It s kind of over You know, he s just kind of a representative of a bunch of different brands and I don t know if he competes I mean Kelly Slater still competes which is crazy and still wins Kelly still trains.
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Yeah.
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Yeah Yeah, yeah, I suppose that s risky for yourself career, too.
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I
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Oh yeah, that s gotta be risky.
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It s gotta be risky for everything.
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Like, I know guys who play musical instruments and they fucked up their hands in jujitsu, like broken a finger.
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I m like, yikes.
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Yeah, like tattoo artist surgeons, it s like, maybe don t train.
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Yeah, I mean, if you break a hand and that s the hand you play guitar with, and now you ve got these fucking gnarly ass fingers and you re still trying to move at the same speed.
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Yeah, I hurt some of my fingers.
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One time I got my thumb stuck up here in grappling.
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And another time, my finger got stuck on the ground and went straight up.
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I remember that was in Puerto Rico.
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Oliver Tarza broke my hand and I went to the hospital in Puerto Rico.
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We got the x-ray.
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I m waiting around for hours and the guy s like, it s fine.
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No breaks, nothing.
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So I leave and then I m like, my hand s fucked up.
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So I go back and end up getting the x-ray and I can see it s broken.
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And I ended up getting it treated.
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I just posted it on Instagram.
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I was like, any hand surgeons, what can I do for this?
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And we just spoke about it on Instagram.
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What did he say to do?
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I just left it like this for a while.
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Didn t really use it too much.
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So was it a fracture in a sense where they didn t have to bolt it together?
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Yeah, didn t have to bolt.
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It s the same one when people punch a wall or something.
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Oh, OK.
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Like the one down here.
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So that one didn t need anything.
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But I mean, a lot of Puerto Rican stories like that where I was like, yeah, your hand s not broken.
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I m like, bro, I can see it s broken.
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Not so good medicine over there?
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No, not at all.
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Yeah, no.
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That was a wild play.
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It s not good for getting antibiotics for staph either.
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No?
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Yes, I mean, I ve had plenty of times where I ve gone to the doctor and been like, this is staph, I need antibiotics.
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But they don t want to be told, like by some fucking idiot, that they re like diagnosing themselves, giving themselves the treatment.
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So they resist the diagnosis?
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Yeah, they ll resist it on you, yeah.
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Really?
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I ve had doctors not give me antibiotics and then it s gotten worse.
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And tell you it s not staph?
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Yeah, they re like, nah, you re fine.
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Just put some cream on it.
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Oh boy.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah.
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But I get it.
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They probably have guys coming all the time.
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They re like, give me this, give me this.
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Right.
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But no one s coming in to get antibiotics for fun.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that s not like painkillers.
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No, yeah.
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I guess I could control them a bit, but yeah.
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I imagine so many doctors have to deal with people coming in, oh, I hurt my back.
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Yeah, I hurt my back.
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Give me some Xanax.
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I m having so much anxiety, I can t deal with this.
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You freak out enough in the office, maybe they give you something just to calm you down.
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That s a good that s a good play really depends on the doctor because some doctors are just a little loose with it Yeah, I feel like honestly the more expensive the doctor the better the better your chances.
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Oh, yeah getting what you want Oh, yeah, I would imagine they probably have some sort of fucking deal to like
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You know, my wife s mom was a nurse and she would explain to me how the whole pharmaceutical rep thing working Brigham Brigham from waste.
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Well, he used to be a pharmaceutical rep is like, bro, like, the relationship they have with doctors is like, it s so slippery.
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prescribe yeah it s so slippery because you know even if they re not paying you and they do pay people but even if they re not like this is your friend they show up at Brigham was like I would show up with their kids softball games I knew everybody s name you become friendly they want to prescribe your drugs you re a good guy wow yeah it s fucking creepy
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But like, that s the opioid epidemic and stuff like that, right?
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Oh, that s exactly it.
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Did you ever watch that show Painkiller on Netflix?
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I started, but I never finished it.
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Fucking lazy, eh?
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Oh, it s so fucked up.
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How those people are not in jail is insane.
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Not only did they bullshit people and get people to prescribe these things, but they ruined who knows how many lives.
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Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, dead from opioid overdoses.
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And then the amount of lives that are destroyed because of those things.
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Families wrecked, everything.
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And they tricked people.
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They tricked them into doing drugs that are going to be
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They just paid a fine, right?
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Massive fine?
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Yeah, but not enough.
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Also, part of the fine was that they were going to avoid prosecution.
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Like if they paid X amount of billions of dollars, they would avoid prosecution.
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But I think then Painkiller came out, the documentary came out, the Netflix series, and then they kind of withheld that.
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And I think one of the guys who was the main guy for the FDA that was responsible for green lighting Oxycontin and oxycodone that guy they found him.
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He was like in a small town in New Hampshire.
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He s hiding away.
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Yeah.
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I mean they paid him off and this fucker was out there roaming around and they found him.
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He s like Epstein s girlfriend.
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Hey.
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Except she s in jail somewhere.
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Yeah, they got her eventually.
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Yeah, eventually she s gonna get out and she s gonna fucking go swimming and drown or something Yeah, I mean that ll be me after this tournament.
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I can I do you worry about that?
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I mean it should be alright That s not comforting should be alright, yeah, I mean it s just a bit of friendly competition I
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It is that, but it s also, like, you re specifically going head to head.
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Like, if you had done it a month earlier or a month later, I don t think we d have the same issues.
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I don t think we d have the same impact on the sport, though, either.
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I think you would.
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We ll do it a month after as well.
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Wow.
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Oh, cool, my buddy.
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We need another million, brother.
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We re going again.
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But you want to do it once a year, right?
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You don t want to do it more than once a year Yeah, honestly, I m on the phone non-stop.
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Hey talking to people about this event and stuff.
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I gotta explain everyone the rule set.
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Yeah And becoming a promoter.
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I mean, do you have to hire a staff now?
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Do you have to hire all these people to run the thing?
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I mean, I m the ideas guy, you know, my business partner Seth Bala.
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I m like he s doing all the coordination and stuff but me I m just talking to the athletes coming up with the rules sort of
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So he does all the coordination like hiring the staff making sure the event is well run because I would imagine if you ve never run an event before like That s obviously you can t call Abu Dhabi and ask for tips.
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You know You call Eddie.
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I should you call Eddie Bravo.
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Yeah, buddy
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He loves it.
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That s like.
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Yeah, he s very excited about it little hat tip to him with the name as well Yeah, I think the having something where there s more money involved is always good.
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It s just like the timing of it It s like when to do it.
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I just if I if you d asked me I would say They still get to watch the finals, you know, well, yeah true.
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They still got to watch finals They get to watch the finals But you won t have the same people competing because if they re gonna compete on Friday and Saturday that precludes them from being able to compete in Abu Dhabi and
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I mean, yeah for sure.
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Do you want the gold medal in 10k or the million?
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That s right That is the argument right and it s it s certainly look competition is almost always good it even when people don t like it it forces them to up their game and I think at the end of the day it s gonna be good for the athletes and good for the sport because it ll make people more and the beef and
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The B-full, you know.
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Tupac Biggie, I m going down in Vegas like Tupac did.
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Remember how both of those guys died though, by the way.
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They died very badly.
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Both Tupac and Biggie.
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It would have been better if Tupac and Biggie just kind of worked it out.
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I mean, even like Drake and Kendrick.
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That was entertaining, hey.
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But Drake s house got shot at.
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Didn t a security guard get shot?
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I think he got shot, yeah.
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But we got some good music.
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Sort I didn t security guy took the hit.
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I mean, uh, yeah.
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Yes.
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I m good.
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I just find it foolish the beef.
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Mm-hmm I m not a beef guy.
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I feel like those guys could have wrote banging songs They both put out four songs each, you know, it s like use that creativity and just Yeah, I guess if you re driven, I mean I get it.
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I get it.
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It s part of the culture.
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I get it Don t get me wrong
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Like, I like roast battles.
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Love them.
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Yeah, I love them.
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Do comedy.
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They should have done a rap battle.
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Yeah, that would have been amazing.
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Yeah, that would have been amazing.
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Yeah.
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Rap battles are awesome.
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It s just, you know, it s another opportunity to write.
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It s another opportunity to create something.
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And it s high pressure.
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Yeah.
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So in that sense, this rivalry between ADCC and the CJI,
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There s one Australian idiot, that s the city, you know, let s see what happens.
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Yeah versus a monarchy Monarchy.
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Yeah, but I mean, I still love it.
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It s just he s lovely like history, you know, I think you can watch that away.
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It s Amazing.
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Yeah.
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Um Do you think you could ever compete for them again?
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I think that s over now.
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I
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I mean, I wouldn t do it for 10K.
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I don t know.
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I mean, who knows?
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The door s open for anything.
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I don t take any of this stuff too seriously at all.
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You know what I mean?
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A lot of it s just fun on the internet.
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Like I don t really, you know, like fucking around, having a good time, you know, like I ll do anything for the right price.
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So it s like, if the spectacle s there, if people are interested in it.
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Right.
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So you would go back if they would have you back?
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For sure, and ultimately what I want, and what I wanted from day one, was just athletes across everything in Jiu-Jitsu to be compensated just a little bit more.
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You know, because again, we don t have the prestige of the UFC.
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So if they had ramped it up from 10 to 20, you would ve done this.
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Really?
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Wow.
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Boy, they re probably going, fuck.
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Yeah, that s really what sort of kicked it off.
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But also, I wanted to do, like, this is an opportunity to start up our non-profit and stuff, so it s like, it gives me an opportunity to give back in other ways.
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So with this attitude about not taking things so seriously, do you think you and Gordon would ever bury the hatchet?
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I mean, for sure.
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We ll take some MDMA, we ll get to the bottom of it, you know?
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I think he needs it, you know what I mean?
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Don t you think, though, that for a guy to be as dominant as he is, you have to be that guy?
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That s like Michael Jordan in his prime.
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They said if you beat him in a game of pool, he wouldn t talk to you for like two weeks.
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You just, you have to be kind of a psycho.
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I know, but you see, I guess you see the contrast in some areas.
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Like, in my opinion, Volkanovsky was that.
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GSP was that.
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But really nice guys.
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Yeah, Anderson Silva was that.
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Like, again, I don t think Gordon s
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I mean, it s hard to say what he is, you know?
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It s like, it s hard.
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I don t know him that well, you know?
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I know what image he puts out.
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I know a little bit of the stuff behind the scenes, but... But you trained with him for years.
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You gotta know him.
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Yeah, but you know what jiu-jitsu guys are like.
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If I can get on the mats, I don t want to hang out with them afterwards.
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Fucking weirdos.
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Who wants to have a conversation with a jiu-jitsu guy?
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Me.
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That s why you re here.
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Well, some of them.
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Some of them.
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Some of them are a bit odd, you know?
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Don t you think that like no, I love him.
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I m part of it, but odd people would make the world go round though.
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Oh Yeah, I mean for sure.
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I m not criticizing.
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I m fucking weird.
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Look at I m doing you weird.
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Yeah, definitely weird, but Some people I find cool easy to talk to relax.
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I know it s just for me as a guy who likes both of you guys I don t like that.
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You don t talk anymore.
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I don t like that.
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You have this beef I ve asked Gordon to define it.
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He can t he does it doesn t define it.
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It s very difficult He doesn t say anything bad about you, but he doesn t define it
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I mean, I just love fucking around.
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Like, Australia, we love attacking each other.
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Like, I say worse things to my friends than I say to Gordon.
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You know what I mean?
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Listen, I m a comedian.
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I know about that.
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We talk wild shit to each other, too.
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Some guys are so good to provoke, you get a good fucking reaction out of them, you know?
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Well with comedians, you know who you can hang out with by who can take shit You know because like if someone makes fun of me if it s funny, I laugh But if you make fun of some people and they re like, hey, they re like, oh You fucked up you take yourself seriously You just take what you do seriously, but you never take yourself seriously.
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That s so silly There s no benefit to that because then you don t get to enjoy the laughs When someone makes fun of you someone makes fun of you and it s really like if your watch kill Tony
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Yeah, yeah, well when David Lucas and Tony Hinchcliffe go at each other it is One of my favorite things in life.
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There s they re both so fucking ruthless and hilarious But if David gets Tony Tony laughs hard and if Tony gets David David laughs hard they laugh they love each other They re really good friends, but they re fucking ruthless when it comes to that shit when they re roasting each other But they re having a good time
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Like, if you roast someone and they get, like, actually upset as a comedian, all the other comedians would be like, oh, look at you.
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You re upset at a joke?
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You fucking hypocrite.
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Like, what s wrong with you?
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Well, I mean, that s what I mean.
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Gordon says, bro, you suck.
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You never won anything.
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I m like, bro, I could as well do that.
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You know?
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Like, it s like, relax.
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Is that like that s the what is the beef though like it doesn t make sense I mean for me.
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I m just having a good time like it s like I m in a sport of people to take themselves very seriously right and it s just He takes himself very seriously, so it s just like so you like picking on him.
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I like yeah I mean like what you say with comedians.
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You know if someone s too Yeah, and it s good material.
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He s like.
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He s just walking good material.
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You know I
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It s like he s provoking me.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, he would just post something that I m like, I swear, I m like, this guy s playing a fucking character.
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He s a genius, but it s real.
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I m like, he s baiting me.
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I gotta say something.
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Well, you are probably the funniest guy in jujitsu other than Eddie.
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Eddie s hilarious.
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Eddie loves the jokes, too.
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Sometimes I pass on him some deeper levels of the jokes, and he gets the full story.
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He loves it.
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We go deep conspiracy on the jujitsu jokes.
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Oh no, Eddie s fucking hilarious.
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He s one of the funniest people I ve ever met.
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I m so glad he s doing stand-up again, too.
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Because I tried to talk him into doing stand-up a long time ago, back in 2001.
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I was like, dude, I m telling you, just try.
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It ll suck at first, but just like it sucked when I learned jujitsu.
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You suck at first, but you have the ability to do it.
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Overcome yeah, he took a long time off it, but when he was teaching he would teach classes and especially seminars He would have like material.
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Oh, yeah, do it dude during seminars It was hilarious, and then he s like I think I m gonna do comedy again, and so teaching seminars.
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That s what I do I ll say the same joke and then I ll look over and fuck that guy was at another seminar.
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I said the same thing
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Yeah, that s the problem with jokes yeah, if they already know the jokes It s like a little bit of an issue, and I m like fuck if I said this a few too many times now Yeah, switch topics.
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Yeah, you got to make new stuff up You got to make up new new stuff for seminars when you go and do seminars you find it It s a lot.
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It s a lot of MMA fighters that are wanting to learn jujitsu is it just jujitsu guys Is it a mixture?
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I mean, nowadays, man, it s such a variety of people, sometimes even beginners.
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White belts will show up and they re just coming to hang out.
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I love doing seminars all around the world and just meeting the people that are doing the sport.
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And I keep them at a really affordable price, because I always remember when people would come to my city, sometimes the seminars were so expensive I couldn t afford it.
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So I just insist we book a big venue, we keep the prices low, and I just get to see who from that country is participating in the sport.
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I just love it.
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Is that you enjoy that more than competing now just going around and doing seminars?
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I enjoy like like all aspects of it, you know, like obviously too many seminars exhausting I ve done like back to back to back to back.
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I like the seminar be three hours and then out of there.
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Otherwise, it s Too much social interaction, you know, you probably also don t absorb anything after three hours
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It s like and I have to roll like I still run the gauntlet that I will try to roll as many people as possible That s gotta be hair raising if I can try to kill me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, bro.
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You paid to come here.
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You like me?
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What are you doing to me?
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Yeah, relax like I ll be hungover jet lagged and it ll be like I ll be do I ll do like sometimes one hour one and a half hours straight new guy every three minutes Oh god, and I m like, what are you doing to me?
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But it s fucking one hour in trying to kill me.
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Yeah after a while.
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I
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Test your patience.
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That s like meditating, you know?
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I m just like, all right, don t kill this guy.
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Don t kill this guy.
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That s one of the legendary Hickson stories, that Hickson would do a seminar, and then take all the black belts there, and just tap them, one after another.
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I try to do fucked up shit to people, though, you know?
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Like what?
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Just stupid submissions, you know?
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That keeps it entertaining for me.
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Crab walks?
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Yeah, the Boston Crab?
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Boston Crab.
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I love hitting the Boston Crab, eh?
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I m like, you will remember that forever.
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You see that one guy who did it in MMA?
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Yeah, he is.
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Yeah.
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So crazy.
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Man, that would hurt.
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I ve never been put in it.
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Yeah, is it a flexibility thing?
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Is it a spine thing?
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I think it ll break your spine.
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Yeah.
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I do it to people from Mount, though.
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I give them Mount, and then I put my toes in their armpits, take them over the top, Boston Crabber.
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That s the fun of the seminar is just hitting fucked up shit on people in front of their friends.
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I think that s the most enjoyable thing.
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Yeah, here s the dude who did it in MMA.
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How did he set it up?
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Jesus.
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He just climbed over the top and got his legs.
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The other guy looks like he s fighting for his life, but nothing s happening.
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Well, the other guy looks a little out of shape, too.
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He s just a little noogies to the face.
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It s like he s already ready for it.
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It almost looks fake, eh?
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I don t think it s fake.
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I think it s just a low-level MMA show.
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Wow, that s crazy.
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Fuck, that guy would never hear the end of that, eh?
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I remember a guy used to train with, he actually sponsors me and he had an MMA fight and he tapped, he won for three rounds and a minute to go, I think 30 seconds to go, he crossed his leg from back.
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And I fucking remind him of it to this day.
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It s been years.
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That is a crazy submission.
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That hurts, you know?
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Oh, it hurts like hell.
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But you got to imagine like if you re winning the fight.
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I don t think I ve ever seen an MMA fight where someone tapped to that.
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I ll send it to you.
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But guys do it.
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Guys do it.
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Even Hickson did it.
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When Hickson submitted Funaki, he s crossed his legs.
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I guess he d just rather have the squeeze, and if the guy threatens it, he ll let it go?
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Yeah.
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Sometimes I think it s about being relaxed.
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It s like, if you re doing this, they can catch it really tight, but if your ankles are relaxed, sometimes they slip off the top.
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Right.
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I think relaxing in those positions sometimes helps.
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Well also being hyper aware of when the guy lifts his leg up to try to lock it But yeah, I ve had it done to me before it s fucking horrible People try to do that to me at seminars like they ll try and play around and then catch me or some shit I m just like fucking relax guy fucking You have to always be aware right because you re dealing with people trying to get a reputation to break my legs everything Have you ever tapped at seminars?
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Yeah, I tapped but I ll give him a couple more so they don t believe it, you know, I
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They re friends who believe they get me once, but not three times, you know?
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What do you mean?
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Like, if a blue belt taps me at a seminar, one time, maybe people believe.
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So you let them tap you a couple times?
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A couple more, you know?
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Oh, so you throw in a few fake taps?
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Yeah, that fucks the story for them.
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I tapped Craig Jones three times.
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Yeah, once, maybe three.
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And they re like, wait a minute, I tapped you.
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How the fuck are you tapping Craig Jones?
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That doesn t even make sense.
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Take the story away from them.
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What have you ever tapped to at a seminar?
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Actually, I had a seminar at Kenan s gym, and a guy got me into North-South.
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But I tap at seminars from time to time, because I fuck around.
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I ll give him a mount, give him my back, my armbar.
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And then I m always like, guys, I m going to give you positions, but if you get it, I ll tap.
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Relax.
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Don t try to kill me.
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Yeah, I ve got shit to do later.
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Don t roll my neck.
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Yeah, they try.
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Some guys try to kill you.
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Necks are a bad one, too, man.
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When you get a hurt neck.
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Like, when guys get, like, uh, algemine, got his disc replaced in his neck, and I was like, ooh, and your neck is gone?
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Like, that s a fucking creepy one.
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That s crazy.
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Yeah, I think I just retire that point, you know Chris Weidman got his dick or just Sorry, Chris, I think he got his disc replaced as well I think you get the same thing and there s a few guys have had dis replaced in their back and in their neck, you know They can do that titanium articulating disc now like where it allows your neck to move pretty normally but you know, like how long does that last and
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I just tap to everything and not put in much effort, and I feel like it keeps my body safe.
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You know what I mean?
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Like if I m training and the guy s going hard, I m like, alright, you got it, bro.
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I m like, let s just... That s smart.
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But that s an ego thing.
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You have a healthy ego.
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I m just like, who cares, you know?
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It s like...
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That s the point, you know?
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Well, it s definitely better than going out like, you know, Vinny.
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Vinny Magalhaes, letting your fucking leg get destroyed like that.
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If you can just relax like that and allow yourself to get tapped, you will save so many injuries.
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I control the security footage and the cameraman though.
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So, you know, I make the footage disappear if he gets me.
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Oh, in your gym?
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Yeah, that s where you re shooting.
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I get to delete that.
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That s the problem, right?
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Guys want to release footage.
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I want to sell it.
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Hey, like if people come to the gym, I m like, bro, I ll let you tap me.
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Give me some money.
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You can take it home.
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Well, listen, Craig, good luck on this.
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I really hope it works out.
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I hope ADCC isn t too pissed at you.
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And I hope you ve started a trend.
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And I hope this is going to... Look at that.
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I hope in 80 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes and 47 seconds until it starts from right now.
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That s not reassuring.
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That s close.
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It is.
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80 days is not a long amount of time.
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But I hope it works out.
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And I really hope that it elevates the sport.
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At the very least, it s getting some eyeballs on the sport.
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Thanks for letting me talk about it.
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My pleasure.
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So tell everybody how to find you on Instagram and how to find the website for the event.
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Oh yeah.
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CraigJonesBJJ.com.
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We ll sell tickets to this.
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Sorry, CraigJonesBJJ for Instagram.
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UNLV.com is where tickets will be up on the 31st.
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So at the Thomas and Mac website.
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Thomas and Mac website.
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And then Fair Fight Foundation is the website with all the information.
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That s what we saw there.
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CJI official is the Instagram page where it s meant to be professional, but it s gonna be mostly memes Mostly mostly memes and jokes.
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Okay.
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We had a spelling around the post that we left it, you know I was like fuck we fucked up.
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We ll commit to it.
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All right, beautiful.
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All right, man.
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Well, good luck and Make sure you count all that before you leave Thank you, bye everybody