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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert.
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I m Dan Shepard, I m joined by Lily Padman.
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Hi.
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Hi-er.
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Guess what?
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What?
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At a restaurant near us, Little Dom s.
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Little D s.
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There is a drink on the menu called Lily Pad.
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What?
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I haven t got it yet.
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What is in it?
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Meat.
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Is there an Indian liquor?
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There s beer that s Indian pale ale.
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Sure, and then also King Fisher.
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King Fisher.
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That s really the one.
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Yeah, that s the big boy.
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That s the one my dad likes.
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But they re not, like they didn t invent gin or anything.
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Do we know?
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I don t think so.
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Okay.
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Not that I know of.
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Okay, because I would like it if Lily Pad had some Indian liquor in it.
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Some spices.
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So we really know it s a nod to you.
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Yeah.
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Oh boy, spices.
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No, we don t want a curry cocktail.
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It doesn t have to be curry.
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Curry, it could be cardamom or chive.
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Okay, you want a cardamom?
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Yeah, I want it.
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Oh, okay.
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I stand corrected.
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What a wild guess we had.
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Yeah.
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Yes, out of the blue, he walks in, what a vision.
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He s six foot four.
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He is a vision.
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And he s so cute.
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He s very stunning, is that the word?
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Yeah, he s stunning.
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Absolutely.
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Great adjective.
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He s stunning.
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Wiz Khalifa.
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My God, this was so fun and interesting.
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He is a multi-platinum selling rapper and singer.
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His albums include Multiverse, Rolling Papers, Deal or No Deal,
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O.N.I.F.C., Black Hollywood, and he has a new mixtape out.
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Boy, you re going to hear me learn about the difference or not learn about the difference between a mixtape and an album on this one called Cali Sober, which is fucking great.
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Yes.
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Be it a mixtape or an album.
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I love it.
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And you know, Wiz.
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You know Wiz.
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You already know him.
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He and Snoop were just on tour together for a year.
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So cool.
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What could be more fun than that?
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And he also has his own cannabis line called Khalifa Kush.
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Yeah.
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And even at a piece that said KK, did you see it on him?
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Oh, I didn t.
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Yeah, yeah.
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For his Khalifa Kush.
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That s very cool.
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So cool.
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I hope you guys enjoy this.
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Let s just say up front, I really embarrassed myself in this episode.
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It ll be fun to listen to, I think.
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It s big, big swings and misfires and you know, we re here to laugh about it.
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We re still here.
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Just know we re in on it when you hear.
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Please enjoy Wiz Khalifa.
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Are you gonna smoke?
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Don t open the window before we start.
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We let Seth Rogen smoke.
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You ll be maybe the second or third.
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Can you make that work for an asterisk?
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For sure.
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Money.
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You don t have any.
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Look at her face.
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No, don t.
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God, Dag.
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Okay, I went to a facialist.
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There s nothing there, that s why I didn t feel so confident.
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I went to a facialist and she did a peel, so it s starting to peel.
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She s very nervous.
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Nah, you re good.
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Don t be worried about it.
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You re fine, don t even worry about it.
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You look good.
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Do I call you Cameron or Wiz?
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What s your preference?
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For now, Wiz.
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Let s go Wiz.
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Okay, so most importantly, on the day you were born, how old do you think Monica was?
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Take a wild stab.
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I don t even think Monica was born when I was born.
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Oh, that s flattering.
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It is flattering.
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She was 15 days old.
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Okay, so we re close.
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Very, and I m older.
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You beat me.
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I almost got you, though.
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Yeah, you were a little late.
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You were a little late.
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Just a little bit.
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I was getting high, that s why.
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In the womb.
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Actually, that s possible, because you did say mom smoked grass in the house, so.
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Yeah, she didn t smoke when she was pregnant with me, though.
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My mom did.
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Oh, for real?
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Oh, for sure.
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Hell yeah.
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My mom was in the military when she was pregnant with me, so throughout that period of life, she wasn t smoking pot at all.
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She wasn t?
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Nah, nope.
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Because they would test, or she was just afraid?
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Because they couldn t have been testing, were they?
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Yeah, they were testing back then.
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They were.
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They would do, like, randoms, and it just wasn t the thing to do to, like, sneak and get caught smoking pot in the military in the 90s and shit like that.
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Because you could get dishonorably discharged, and then you re fucked, right?
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Yeah, no retirement and no plan for family and all that stuff.
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So it was like really important for her to hold it down throughout that period of time and then do whatever the hell she wanted to do afterwards.
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Mom and dad were both in the military?
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Yeah.
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Because you were born in North Dakota, but you re immediately on the road, right?
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You re in Japan, Germany, the UK.
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Yeah, my parents met in the military.
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It was crazy.
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My mom is from Pittsburgh, and my dad is from New York.
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And they met in basic training in Colorado.
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And if you know anything about basic training, it s just a few months of people thrown into the mixture.
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And then after that, they go their separate ways.
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They probably only knew each other for like two months.
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And then they were about to get stationed to other areas.
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Deployed.
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Deployed, exactly.
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And my dad was going somewhere, and my mom was going to Guam, and they got married.
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After two months?
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Yeah, they didn t want to leave each other, man.
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They fell in love, bro.
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Okay.
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Fucking young love.
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And how quickly did you arrive after that?
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I m the second child.
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Oh, you are?
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Yeah, yep.
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They had my brother first.
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How much older is he?
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He s three years older than me.
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Well, he passed away, so he was three years older than me.
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He passed away not in childhood.
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No, not a childhood.
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In adulthood.
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For what kind of stuff?
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Cancer.
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Oh, I m sorry.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Fuck.
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How old?
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I think it was like seven years ago.
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Wow.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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So he was like 32-ish or something?
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Yeah, like 30, 31 maybe.
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What kind of cancer?
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Lymphoma.
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Oh my God.
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Does that freak you out about your own disposition that you could be susceptible?
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No, not really.
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My brother was transgender.
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So throughout her life, she took a lot of hormones that kind of, you know, mixed it up and made it way more difficult.
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I got you.
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I got you.
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Well, my dad died of cancer and I m certainly like, fuck me.
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I don t like having that in my bloodline.
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It doesn t make me too optimistic.
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Some people, they just live their life perfectly normal and still get that shit.
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Oh, totally.
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There s like marathon runners who die of heart disease and Keith Richards going hard.
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He s healthy as a horse, Keith Richards.
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Exactly.
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And slamming dope for 50 years.
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Fucking chillin , right?
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Yes!
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Maybe you should have slammed up.
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No, hell no.
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Smoke weed and drink water.
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Smoke weed and drink water.
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Were you old enough to remember these pit stops in Japan, Germany, UK, and all that?
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You get to Pittsburgh at nine?
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Nah, my first time going to Pittsburgh, I was about two years old.
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But I mean, to live there for the duration.
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Shit, when I was there at two, I lived there for like a year and a half.
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Oh, you did, okay.
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Yeah, I stayed with my auntie, my aunt Tickles.
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How did Aunt Tickles get the nickname Aunt Tickles?
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There was a doll at the time where she was a kid that she wanted.
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It was the Tickles doll.
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Instead of having a doll, she was born and they named her Tickles.
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That s pretty cute.
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Yeah, it s kind of crazy, right?
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Okay, so aunt Tickles took you in.
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That s really sweet.
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My auntie Tickles.
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It was me, my brother, my cousin Julian, little cousin Bebe, my little cousin Poppy.
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Wow.
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Michael used to be over there.
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My aunt Rachel.
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So enough to play a pickup game of basketball.
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Totally.
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Black families, man.
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We all crammed into an apartment about this big right here.
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Uh-huh.
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But so fun.
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Yeah, hella fun, bro.
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Super duper fun.
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Yeah, I have fond memories from Pittsburgh as a baby, living in Europe, Germany, or England.
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We were in Upper Hayford.
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That was the area that we lived in.
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In England?
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Uh-huh.
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What s Upper Hayward like?
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It was super chill from what I remember.
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I was literally like two, three years old.
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So I have pictures and videos and shit from like birthday parties.
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And then I remember what my dad s house looked like.
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It was really cool.
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Kind of not like this, not as player, but it was big.
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It had like stones and like a little pond in the front.
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Like a mini castle.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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It was cool, man.
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They got divorced when you were three?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Same age for me, and I live with mom.
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You live with mom?
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I live with both, back and forth.
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How long would the durations be?
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Probably like two years.
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Oh, you did two years with dad?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And why was he living in such a great house in England?
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Castle.
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Yeah, yeah.
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How d he find himself in a castle if he was in the army?
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Man, I was too young to know, man.
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Oh, okay.
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Some things is made for you not to know what s going on.
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Don t look a gift castle in the mouth.
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Just keep it moving.
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Just feed the goldfish and keep it moving, bro.
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How about Japan?
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How old were you when you were in Japan?
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I was about 11 to 13 in Japan.
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Oh, well that s significant.
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This is two years in Japan.
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And were you going to like a military school?
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It was a school on base.
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It wasn t necessarily a military school because military school is more structured as like disciplinary type of thing.
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Yeah, I fucked that up.
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I just meant a school on a military base.
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I meant a school for all the military kids.
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Yeah, I went to school on base, 100%.
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Like everything was Americanized and shit.
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Cause it was such a big difference between off base and on base.
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And the other kids, here s what I d imagine.
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You re moving nonstop.
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You have to meet kids every year and a half or whatever.
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That s stressful.
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But maybe the other kids are also in that pattern, so they re a little more forgiving.
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Is that possible?
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Was it hard?
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It s always difficult being a new kid all the time, because you have to, like, re-acclimate yourself to everybody s customs, no matter where you are.
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You re picking up on different lingo.
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You go to different schools.
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You never really get to get used to having friends for any long amount of time.
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So it s definitely an issue as a child.
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You don t want to leave your friends and shit like that, and you don t want to have to get used to anything not being permanent.
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So, yeah, it was a little difficult.
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What effect do you think it had on you?
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Did it make you good at making friends or did it make you lonely?
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It made me really good at making friends.
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It did.
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It s not enjoyable.
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It s not like I want to be the freaking unknown person all the time, but you know, it definitely like toughens you up and makes you to the point where you can assert yourself and you can carry your own personality, your character, whoever you want to be, wherever you want to go.
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Did you ever reinvent when you landed somewhere new?
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You were like, mm.
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This next go around, I m gonna try this.
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I think I always just reinvent just naturally.
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I think the biggest reinvention was me having a growth spurt.
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Yeah, what age did we get this tall?
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Bruh, I was like normal size and then just overnight I just stretched out and nobody in my family is this tall.
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Really?
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Yeah, it was crazy.
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Like middle school?
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What age?
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Eighth grade going into ninth grade.
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Same year.
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I ve said this so many times.
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I have my basketball physical I had to take for eighth grade and I was 5 11 , 160.
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That s golden.
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Next year, ninth grade physical, 6 3 , 149.
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I lost 11 pounds and gained like four inches and I was like, oh, this is a bad look for me.
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Nah, skinny boys, we on top, baby.
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Well, that s rough, isn t it?
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Well, now you re not skinny boy anymore.
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Yeah.
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Well, now I m a medium-sized boy.
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Lean.
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He s definitely lean.
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Lean and mean.
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Oh, you were on the cover of Men s Health, by the way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So I got into your workout routine.
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We re hitting it early, right?
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Yeah.
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Hour in the gym and then doing some jujitsu.
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Yeah.
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One more time.
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Mixed martial arts.
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When did Muay Thai become part of the program?
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It kind of just mixed in like naturally.
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As a better workout probably as well?
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Nah, I think it s more like a modern thing.
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Everybody s doing more active shit to go along with lifting weights.
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So the program that I was on
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You know, they kind of just have you messing around with it.
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But I was actually like kicking the shit out of people.
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They were like, let s step you up some.
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Like, you know what I mean?
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And like, I figured out I was kind of really good at it.
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And they put me in there with like some of the guys that really, really do that shit.
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And they were like, man, he could do this.
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So they just started training me on a different level.
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You were supposed to have a match in April or something.
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Uh-uh, nope.
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You weren t?
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Uh-uh.
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There s lies about you out there, Wiz, on the internet.
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Can you believe this?
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I hope I m not the first to tell you this, but there s some lies.
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You at least, I would imagine, had, because I m 12 years older than you, so there wasn t one cool, tall, skinny guy.
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in movies, TV, music.
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You already had Snoop.
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Yeah, we had Snoop.
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That had to be encouraging.
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Snoop is super tight, but at that time, there s only one Snoop, so you can t be Snoop.
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I just think coming up, Scrawny is just tough for everybody.
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I think even Snoop might ve had it bad.
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He just made it look good for all of us, yo.
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He just broke the mold, man.
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He did.
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But I think if you re tall, if you re a fucking stretch limo like us, and you got at least one example of a guy who s killing it, I mean, that s helpful.
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Shit.
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I don t know.
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Now you re that for other tall skinny dudes in high school.
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You think so?
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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And so I m wondering, when you got to Pittsburgh, were you nervous to commit, like, this is home now, now I can actually get comfortable here?
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Or are you just always waiting to be moving somewhere else?
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Nah, hell nah.
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I got a big ass family there.
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So that was always my connection to Pittsburgh.
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It was my family, my cousins, my aunts.
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My nanny was my grandma, my granddad, who just passed away recently.
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But they all were really, and still are, really instrumental in raising me and housing me.
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And that s your mom s family?
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Yeah, it s my mom s family.
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We used my nanny s address to make sure I could go to certain schools.
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And nanny is Tickle s mom?
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Yeah, yeah.
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What a pair, if they walk into the bowling alley.
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Ninnies, Tickles, and my mom s name is Peachy.
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Oh, this is fantastic.
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That s like a TV show.
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I know.
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I love it.
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It s like the cast of Golden Girls or something, those names.
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That s my connection to Pittsburgh.
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It s always been home.
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My mom did a really good job of enforcing that and making sure that me and my brother grew up with our roots and knowing our peoples and having a really strong connection with them.
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Is there anyone younger than you in the family?
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Hell yeah.
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Oh, you have other siblings, I mean.
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My little sister is with my dad.
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She got a different mom.
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I don t consider her half anything.
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Same.
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My little sister has a different dad, but we don t... In fact, when I was a kid and someone would say, that s your half-sister, I would want to fight.
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Yeah, that was like a diss back in the day for sure.
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That s right.
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I was like, she s not my half-sister.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, yes, she is.
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No, she s fucking not.
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Yeah, exactly.
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People try to bring that shit up.
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You guys got different parents.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Nah, but I got my little sister and I got little cousins too.
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Like I was the baby for a minute, but I was just the baby of my generation.
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We started getting older and into our teens.
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That s when my little cousins were like eight, nine and 10.
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So when I m leaving my teens, they re getting into their teens.
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So them is all my little homies and shit.
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When you re with your dad, was there the same amount of people around?
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Or did you meet the New York family?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I m really close with my New York family.
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Growing up, I would see them on and off.
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I seen them at, like, family reunions, and we would get together to the point where I do have memories of my New York family when I was a kid.
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But the majority of it started happening when I was a teen.
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When my grandma on my dad s side passed, there was a funeral, and we all met up in New York at my grandma s apartment.
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And that s when we all kind of rekindled everything.
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And then from then, I was like 14, I started making music and I would come to New York to do my promo runs or things like that.
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And I would just stay in my grandma s old apartment and chill and kick it with my cousins and meet up with my aunties.
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So throughout my teens and 20s and things like that, that s when my
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relationship really built with that side of my family, but it s been strong for a while.
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What part of New York did they live in?
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Harlem.
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You start writing and performing really young, like 11, 12 you start writing?
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Yeah, yeah.
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What drove you to that?
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I was in about third grade and I first seen my uncle.
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He had wrote a rap and he rapped it to me and it was so cool.
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The concept of him making a rap
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I always listened to rap and enjoyed it.
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He wrote a rap and I was like, wow, that s crazy.
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It sounds just like what I hear on the radio.
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He was like, you can do it too.
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I m like, how?
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He was like, well, you just start a little, you do this, you do that.
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Yeah, he taught me how to rap.
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And then we would go and look up song lyrics for other songs and learn all of the words for them.
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And I had a book.
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where I kept all of my song lyrics where I would learn the words and that s what I think really taught me like timing and how to ride a beat and stay on beat and through that I just developed it.
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Who of the people you were studying did you most feel like you clicked with or that was something you could do a version of?
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It was the majority of the fast rappers, yo.
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Like Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Busta Rhymes.
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Anybody who was just out there, those were my favorite.
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I liked Mystical back then.
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No Limit was popular.
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The more wilder the style, the better.
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Crucial Conflict.
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DMX?
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DMX was one of my favorites, too, for sure.
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He s wild as hell.
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Crazy.
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I remember when his first single dropped, like I walked to the store and bought it.
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His first single was Get At Me Dog.
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And that was before he was even popular.
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But for some reason, as a third grader, his music connected with me.
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We ll also use riding wheelies on four wheelers and riding with the Rough Riders.
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Like the whole package for me, I was like, sign me up for this.
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Yeah, music videos were crazy back then.
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As a kid, you sitting around watching music videos, that s like, what the fuck?
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Eve was in them.
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Yeah, Eve was the shit.
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Swiss Beats, shout out to Swiss.
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Did you see this doc that was on DMX that came out like a few months ago?
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Yeah.
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So good.
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So heartbreaking.
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Yeah, he s an interesting guy and he s really passionate and soulful, man.
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When I met him and we chilled and we kicked it.
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Some people are surprised when they meet people and hear what music they listen to.
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But that shit really surprised me.
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He like Patti LaBelle and like disco and shit that you sing and vibe to.
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And he sings all the words like with his heart and soul.
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He s not rapping like hard ass lyrics.
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He s singing.
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That shit was crazy.
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It was tight.
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What s funny is I was listening to you talk about your mom, that she d be around the house, listen to Erykah Badu.
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And I was like, oh yeah, this is this age gap.
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Like me and your mom probably have all the same favorite music.
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But yeah, fucking Badu.
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I would have loved to have talked to DMX about all that seventies R&B, I m sure.
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Bruh, his playlist is crazy.
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Yeah, I wouldn t have been surprised if you had said Metallica and Megadeth, and then also I m not surprised now that you say Patti LaBelle.
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It s like the complete opposite.
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It is the opposite, but you knew it d be something not from what you expected.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, you re my age.
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Did you guys have The Box?
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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What s The Box?
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The Box was a channel.
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It s a video channel.
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You call in and you request shit.
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And it was just music videos.
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All music videos.
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You just have it on all day.
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Did you ever call Monica?
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No, I was too scared to call.
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but I just watched music videos all day long.
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And they played more underground shit, too, that they didn t play on MTV, or they would play it on the box first, and then it would cross over to mainstream shit.
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I m glad to know you liked the box.
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That feels kindred.
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Yeah, that was the shit.
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You guys should try and bring it back.
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I was up in Detroit, so I don t know what you guys are talking about.
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Pittsburgh and Detroit are almost identical.
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If there s any two cities, I think both of them like post-industrial, heavy drinkers, blue collar, a lot of fights.
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Sounds like Pittsburgh.
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And anytime I go to Detroit, I get so much love because they re like, bro, we re the same.
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Yes, I m sure.
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I m sure.
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So you start early, and then you meet a guy, E. Dan.
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Yeah.
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Does he own the studio?
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Yeah, he owns the ID Lab.
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He built it.
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And he took a shine to you, and he said, you want to intern, and then you can have some recording time.
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Absolutely.
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How did you endear yourself to him?
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How did he even come to find out who you were?
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I was paying for studio time.
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I would go down there and record my mixtapes and get out of there.
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Okay, great.
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We need to do this right now.
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Explain the difference between a mixtape to everyone and an album.
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Because you have so many mixtapes I ve read about.
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Mixtapes are projects used to prepare you for an album.
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So they re not fully fleshed out?
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You kind of just get the scraps of what could or would be on the album, but it doesn t necessarily make the album.
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Okay, but the music itself is new.
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You re not using old stuff, per se.
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Nah, it s fresh.
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Okay, so you make some mixtapes there, and then ultimately you get a recording contract really young.
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Oh yeah, another thing about mixtapes.
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Oh, tell me.
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They re free.
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Oh, they re free.
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Yes, explain that.
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That s a huge difference.
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Here s all I know about mixtapes.
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I m in New York City, and any dude who might think I know somebody because I m on TV gives me a mixtape.
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And then I think, how am I going to proceed with this?
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I got to go buy a device to play this on.
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Yeah.
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People used to give out mixtapes, right?
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That was a big thing.
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They usually give it out.
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You got the bootleggers who sell them when they re popular.
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But the culture of a mixtape, there s a documentary on this as well.
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Okay.
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Oh, there is.
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What s it called?
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I think it s called Hulu.
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The History of the Mixtape.
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I don t know.
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History of the Mixtape.
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But mixtapes started, of course, in New York with DJs.
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They would take beats.
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They d do mashups, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, mashups.
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blends, but they were like specific to each DJ and each DJ s style.
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So that s why you would get different mixtapes from different DJs, different sides of town.
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They were exclusive.
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So some people were like, hey, I want you to shout me out and say my name, I ll pay you 50 extra bucks.
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So it was like a way to get money, get popular and have status.
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And that s how the mixtape culture started.
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Then DJs started finding artists and being like, hey, here s this break loop.
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freestyle over it for eight minutes and then you would get a dude saying hey ho my name is uh go and then uh the whole hood would you know uh-huh he d be famous in the neighborhood exactly exactly so that s where you get the mixture between
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the DJ and the rapper.
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And then as time went on, labels started seeing that as profitable as, okay, let s not release a full project, but let s do like a little mixtape.
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Not big corporations, but independent labels.
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They d be like, let s just do a little mixtape and see how the streets like it.
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Right.
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Like a little try-in.
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Like a soft launch.
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Exactly.
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And then people started getting really popular off of that, like 50 Cent blew up off of entering the mixtape scene and just doing free music and not really focusing on the label structure, but just being like, I m gonna feed the streets.
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Right.
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Just be prolific.
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Don t wait.
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Just make it.
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Yeah, so 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, Diplomats.
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A lot of people like really came in and changed the mixtape game and then that s where it elevated to where more me and Drake and Currency.
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Did you guys revive it?
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We just took it to the next level and made it where it was like complete projects as a mixtape.
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Not like freestyling over instrumentals and shit like that.
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Right, Grandmaster Flash.
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Go ahead.
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Hey ho!
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We stopped the hey-ho and we kind of, shout out to the hey-ho though, like, you know what I mean?
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And put your hands up, too.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Put your hands up.
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For sure.
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If you re out there, put your hands up.
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We took it to the, because we came up in the internet era, the blog era.
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Right.
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Napster.
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Well, it was after Napster, after LimeWire.
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Oh.
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He s 15 days young, you re 15 days older.
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I forgot.
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It s that 15 day gap.
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It s that 15 day gap.
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Actually, we came up, when I started being popular, I was probably already 10 to 15 mixtapes deep.
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Were you optimistic throughout that whole time?
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Or you were probably just delighted if 10 people hear you at that stage?
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Nah, not really.
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SPEAKER_00
No, okay.
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So were you, did you stay optimistic or were you getting pessimistic?
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The type of artist I am, every time I do something, I think it s the one.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And that s how you re supposed to feel about your art.
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And later on, you grow to detach from that and be like, okay, this is just a piece.
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When you re young and you re fiery and you re connected to it, you re like, this is it.
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The world is gonna know me.
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They re gonna believe it.
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They re gonna sing every word.
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And you re like, eh.
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That didn t happen.
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I was going to say, do you think you can predict really well when something s going to hit?
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I believed in everything that I did.
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What I learned is when you re predicting some shit, you just don t know how long it s going to take, but you can make that shit happen.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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See you again.
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SPEAKER_01
This is your biggest song, at least for downloads on Spotify.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, for sure.
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And you wrote it for Fast 7.
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I ve always thought there couldn t be more pressure on a musician than to get hired for a blockbuster movie.
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And they re like, write us our fucking anthemic song.
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It s gotta be a hit.
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I feel like the pressure of that would be insane.
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It s not like you re writing a whole album and you re like, yeah, three of these are going to hit.
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And I don t know why, but I love all
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of them and we ll see, but this one, they re like, go, make a fucking hit right now.
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Do you feel the pressure of that?
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And boy, did you deliver.
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It s kind of nice that you got your biggest song out of that opportunity.
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Yeah, for sure.
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I appreciate it.
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And I don t feel pressure at that point because I prepared for all of that.
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The stuff that I was wrong about, it all led me up to that point.
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and the shit that didn t work, and the shit that I learned in between, and the shit that I thought that I would never do, and that I ended up realizing, like, okay, this is important, and this is how you finesse it and work it.
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It all led me up to that point.
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So, at that time, I was the perfect man for the job.
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Yeah.
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What shortcomings do you think you had overcome by that point?
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What were some of your bad habits you recognized?
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Being too stubborn as an artist.
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With outside feedback?
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Just playing a game that I wasn t willing to play.
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What made you so allergic to that?
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What happened to me before when I played that game.
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SPEAKER_00
I didn t trust the people that I was playing the game with.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, because you got burned or that s your disposition?
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SPEAKER_00
I just didn t trust their taste in what was good or what wasn t.
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SPEAKER_00
I felt like my taste was superior.
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SPEAKER_00
Uh-huh.
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And it still is, but there s also good taste along with that, and that s what I had to learn.
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SPEAKER_00
Did you have step-downs?
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SPEAKER_00
Maybe for a few months.
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SPEAKER_00
I had one.
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Okay.
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Uh-huh.
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Did it go the way most stepdads go?
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, they get beat up by your real dad.
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SPEAKER_00
Yo, I kept waiting for my dad to show up and beat up these fucking guys.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know where he was at.
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I m like, when are we getting over to the house to beat some of these guys up?
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He never showed up.
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Did your dad know that your stepdads were being so abusive?
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One that blows my mind, because my dad loved to fight.
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So I don t understand, but the second stepdad fought my brother and threw him in a file cabinet, file cabinet knocked my brother unconscious.
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And then we immediately moved into my dad s the next day.
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And I was like, well, my dad catches wind of this, that this dude knocked David out.
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SPEAKER_01
This guy s dead.
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I don t know if it was out of respect for my mom.
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He didn t want to come in.
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SPEAKER_01
I was shocked.
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SPEAKER_01
I m so delighted that.
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SPEAKER_01
Are you the younger brother?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Five years younger.
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I m three years younger, so my stepdad hit my brother as well.
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And my dad never put his hands on me and my brother.
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So my brother, he was chilling.
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He didn t really want to say anything about it.
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And I told you that.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I said something about it.
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I was like, yo.
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You tell him Mike beat the shit out of you.
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My dad spun a car around super-duper fast and, you know, he handled business.
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As a grown-up now, I understand how difficult that can be in a relationship and shit.
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So it was a lot on my mom and the guy that she was with, so he didn t want to continue being family.
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So it s all good.
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I don t know if I m just genetically this way or it was the step-dads, but I cannot stand authority.
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I think I m just like that anyway.
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SPEAKER_00
My parents kind of raised me just like, do whatever the fuck I want to do.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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Authority or people telling you what to do.
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SPEAKER_00
It takes me a long, not a long time, but I have to have my own reasons to respect you.
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And I think that s human.
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SPEAKER_00
That s how babies are.
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SPEAKER_00
Like if you approach a baby and you re like, Hey, could you, he s not going to fuck with you just because he s like, bro, you never gave me no candy.
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SPEAKER_00
You never,
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SPEAKER_00
You never showed me that you re gonna protect me like why should I fuck with you?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, and that s kind of how I m at like cuz you can make my candy at bro like yeah Yeah, where s the toys have to earn it yeah, so this
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SPEAKER_01
There definitely was a lot of that, trying to develop that trust and just learn who I can believe when it comes to certain shit.
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SPEAKER_01
How would you get in your own way?
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Did you ever get in your own way?
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Yeah.
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I think for me it was a lot of when you re young and you re first starting out and you don t know a lot of the opportunities that you re blowing because it s not that important to you at the time.
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You re hot, you re in the moment, so you re just doing shit.
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And you re just like, fuck it, whatever.
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And then four years later, you re like, Hey, we should go talk to this person.
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And they re like, nah, they never want to talk to you again.
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Cause you blew them off like way back then.
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There s some stuff that I did that I didn t think it was going to be permanent.
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You don t think of the long game, right?
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You re like, I m hot right now.
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And this is never going to cool off and I can be however I want to be.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I definitely did some shit like that.
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Have you ever made any apologies?
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Like after the fact?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I definitely apologize.
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SPEAKER_01
In the music industry, it s kind of rough sometimes.
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You ll have to side with other people over other people.
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And later on down the road, you d be like, I don t even know why we had to come to that decision.
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It s like, I m sorry.
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SPEAKER_02
Well, like out of your loyalty to a partner, you acquired their enemies.
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Right, right, right, right, right, right.
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That s young stuff.
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Yeah, it s crazy.
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I know, I always say, like, anyone that their test of friendship is that you have to hate someone they hate, you should be out.
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You learn that shit, though, because when you re young, you think you re being cool by, like, hating whoever that person hates.
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It just puts a little ugly little thing on it.
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Shit that shouldn t be there.
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SPEAKER_01
Have you ever had a real job?
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SPEAKER_01
I haven t.
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SPEAKER_01
You haven t?
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SPEAKER_01
Nah, nope.
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SPEAKER_02
Wow.
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I ve never had a job.
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Do you feel great about that?
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SPEAKER_01
I do feel amazing about that.
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SPEAKER_01
Not Dairy Queen, not nothing.
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SPEAKER_01
Wow.
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Nothing.
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Yeah, no.
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SPEAKER_04
I m jealous.
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SPEAKER_01
I couldn t do it.
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SPEAKER_01
I sold weed in high school.
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I was like, I m not doing this shit.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, that s another Snoop parallel.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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Cameron Diaz says she bought weed off of Snoop in high school.
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SPEAKER_04
Oh my God, that s amazing.
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SPEAKER_01
Isn t that great?
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I was the tall, skinny weed man.
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SPEAKER_01
That is a good job for a tall, skinny dude in high school.
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SPEAKER_01
Easy to find.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Were they trying to get you on the basketball team?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, they were.
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But you weren t having that.
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SPEAKER_02
Nah, I was more into music, though.
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Yeah, you had to write some songs.
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SPEAKER_02
Hell yeah, I was doing my mixtapes, getting my studio time up.
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SPEAKER_01
When did you start making a living at it?
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I graduated in 2006, and my mom stopped working in 2008.
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SPEAKER_01
Goddamn!
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Your mom being able to stop working, what was that feeling?
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SPEAKER_01
Shit, that s another one of the things, like, I was just in the moment.
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Now looking back, I m like, that shit is pretty fucking cool.
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SPEAKER_04
Yes.
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But I was just really in the moment, like, this is what I need to do, this is what I m doing, and let s get it.
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SPEAKER_04
That s such a special thing for a kid to be able to do for their parent.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, so you were only 20.
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That s good.
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Yeah.
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That s all you want to do.
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It was pretty cool.
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Still is pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
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Okay, so just to go through the timeline a little bit.
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At 20, this is probably when you start helping mom, you sign with Warner Brothers.
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Say Yeah comes out.
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That hits 25.
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This is mind-blowing, no?
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The Say Yeah period was kind of weird because the music industry was changing.
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I got caught up in the mix.
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The change of power, there was a change of sound.
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SPEAKER_01
Production was changing.
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Everything was real gray right there.
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SPEAKER_01
The best thing that happened was I learned a lot about radio and promo and the importance of relationships with DJs and just how to start on the ground level and really get a good base, like a good core.
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I learned that from that time over in Warner.
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SPEAKER_02
And that included going to radio stations all the time?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, tons of radio stations, man.
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Traveling all over and staying in shitty hotels.
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SPEAKER_01
Doing a lot of dinners and talking with program directors and 300, 400 pages, it drops.
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And they re like, yeah, we got to sit here and do these and just learning the importance of that and what that does for a record and what that does for your career.
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SPEAKER_00
So 09, it s over from 09 till now.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it was on a cracker after that.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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So you re only 22 in 09 and black and yellow comes out, starts at a hundred and climbs to number one.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Here s two things.
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So yeah, you re only 22, but you ve been at it for seven years.
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Aren t you delighted it took you at least a minute?
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that you already had an album out, that it just got to 25, and now you have this experience in 09 where it s like you get a number one song.
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SPEAKER_02
It s not like your first thing you ever did was that.
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That s the thing.
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It s like, I wish my first thing I did was that.
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You don t think you picked anything up in that period?
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I think the people I ve met who first movie s an enormous hit, and then they re off to the races, something gets tweaked.
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I think you need a little.
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It s not reality.
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Yeah, well, that s what I learned nine years, 10 years in.
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SPEAKER_01
But it s like if you re chilling on the bench for 10 years, you still waiting to start every game.
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But it s a little sweeter, don t you think, that it takes a minute?
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Because that s what I m curious about.
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When it comes out and it s at 100 and you re watching it climb, there s got to be these periods where like, my God, it s in the top 10.
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Is it going to get to?
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Or are you thinking the whole time it s going to number one?
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Even for that, my situation was real unique because when I put Black and Yellow out and when I signed with Atlantic, I was already doing shows independently that were bigger than what they could do for me.
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I was making more money than they could do for me, and they weren t used to seeing that from an artist in that era.
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So they were really trying to figure out how to bottle what I had already done.
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So black and yellow was just the byproduct of all the work that I had put in like I had done so much promo I had done so much touring.
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I made so much merch.
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I went to jail for weed.
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I did interviews saying that already yeah
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Yeah, I did all of that shit before Black & Yellow.
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And I went on an interview and told somebody I spent $10,000 a month on weed and the Steelers were going to the Super Bowl that year.
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So it was all like a whole culmination of shit that it was just my time.
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Makes me think of the Beatles.
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You know this whole story, how they played at a strip club in Germany for like these six hour sets.
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And they did that for years before they were the Beatles.
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Yeah.
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When you put in that work and you really in control of your work and your fan base and things like that, you re watching your business grow.
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Of course I would have loved for my first project to go number one or for me to be the biggest thing because of my ego.
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Like as a kid, I m like, yeah, I want to be the biggest, greatest.
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But through time, I just started to figure out what that actually was.
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Being the biggest, greatest version of myself is being on tour, always being in the studio, directing my own videos, having a direct connection with my fan base, showing my personality and being funny and not trying to be like everybody else, just really tapping into who I am and letting that be the best parts of my brand.
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That s when everything started to take off and move in a direction.
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Well, what s cool about doing it that way is I think a lot of times people are young, they get a hit song and they actually have to go discover who they are publicly and go discover who they are on stage.
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SPEAKER_02
And now all of a sudden they ve got some crazy huge tour book, but they ve never done that.
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So you re turnkey, like you re ready for a hit because you know how to exploit it and go run with it.
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Yeah, I m definitely thankful for the time that I have in the shadows because labels don t really do that artist development.
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They don t make sure that your show is up to par.
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They don t make sure that you can perform in the studio with big producers or big artists.
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They just throw you in there and you have no practice or concept of what that is or how to even be yourself there.
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You find your way to get your stuff in there, I imagine.
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Right, and then that time, it just let me build that confidence and those techniques to where when I was in those situations, I knew exactly what to do.
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Yeah.
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I didn t realize you had already been arrested, but also, so in 2010, you are about to do a tour, or you re on a tour, the Wake and Bake tour, and you get arrested leaving East Carolina University?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And charged with possession and trafficking.
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Why did they think you were trafficking?
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Just the amount of weed you have?
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No, I didn t even have a lot of weed, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, you didn t?
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I got more weed in a car than I did on that bus.
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SPEAKER_01
More weed on your purse?
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Yeah, for real.
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It s because I m black.
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Yeah, yeah.
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No, I ve said that a million times.
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When people first said white privilege, I m like, I don t know, I m white trash.
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I didn t feel too privileged.
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But then I m also an ex-drug addict and I used to fucking roll around with coke on me all the time.
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I used to get pulled over and I didn t get searched.
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I m like,
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Oh, I get it.
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I d be in prison right now.
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A thousand percent if I weren t white.
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It s true.
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But it is what it is.
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I don t hold it against anybody.
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You should be mad at me.
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I m giving you permission.
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No.
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It was actually a black cop who did it.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, really?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Were you in a tour bus?
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Yeah, I was on a tour bus.
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SPEAKER_01
I was on a college campus and they looked at my Twitter and I was talking about smoking weed on there.
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Who cares?
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SPEAKER_01
But again, are they on the Twitter of the whites?
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Exactly.
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No.
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Musicians coming through
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That s what I m saying.
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What I always think about is like Willie Nelson.
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That bus has got to have a fucking kilo on it.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t ever hear about him getting arrested.
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SPEAKER_00
Nah, it s very select.
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SPEAKER_00
I m not here to like fucking change the world.
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SPEAKER_00
It is what it is.
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SPEAKER_00
But you ve been arrested for weed several times.
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Yeah, hell yeah.
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So I think an explanation is warranted.
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Plenty of times.
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So yeah, we had a tour bus, we were on campus, they had quote unquote been tipped off and that was their reason for being able to search the bus.
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SPEAKER_00
That was their probable cause.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Are you stressed in that situation or you re fine?
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Shit.
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Be honest.
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SPEAKER_00
Honestly, I was kind of like just being a rock star about it.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, I can imagine clicking into that gear.
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SPEAKER_00
Get the cameras, like everybody film this shit.
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Yeah, channel it.
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SPEAKER_00
I had all my fans outside.
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SPEAKER_00
I m like, yeah, y all gonna start a riot out this bitch, blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_00
You fucking with the wrong dude.
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SPEAKER_00
All that fun stuff.
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SPEAKER_00
300,000 mail you had to post to get out of that.
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SPEAKER_00
It was three million.
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SPEAKER_01
What?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, what?
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SPEAKER_00
It was 300,000, but it was 10 of us.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_01
We just did an episode about bail bonds.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it was interesting.
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SPEAKER_01
So who comes up with that money, you or the label?
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SPEAKER_01
Who gets a call?
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SPEAKER_00
There was no label, bro.
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SPEAKER_00
I told you I was independent at the time.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, I m sorry.
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SPEAKER_00
I thought you were already on Atlantic.
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SPEAKER_00
No, I wasn t on Atlantic.
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SPEAKER_00
I was independent at that time, but this is what I was telling you about how big my brand and my business was.
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SPEAKER_00
They arrested us and they gave us $3 million bail.
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SPEAKER_00
Me and my manager, his name is Will, shout out to Will.
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SPEAKER_00
We posted our bail, which is 10%, $30,000, $60,000 for us, and then we had to pay the bail bondsman.
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SPEAKER_00
His percentage was $20,000, so we had to pay $80,000 to get out.
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And then we paid a lawyer another $20,000 to get all the charges dropped down, and he knocked all the charges down, and we had to pay another $20,000 for everybody to get out, so $40,000 for everybody to get out.
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So it was like $110,000.
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We had the $110,000 on the bus in cash from merch money.
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Oh, baby.
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SPEAKER_00
We were smashing them.
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We were killing them.
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When you drop the bag of money, you just got to be a little bit of pride in that.
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Like, oh yeah, no, we re good.
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SPEAKER_00
Go ahead and set the bail, whatever you want.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I looked at my guys when we were in jail.
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I said, because you know, they call your name when you re getting released.
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So they said, Cameron Tomas.
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I was like, I m getting all y all out.
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SPEAKER_00
Don t worry about nothing.
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SPEAKER_00
And they was out before the sun was down.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, wonderful.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, a $3 million bail, independent.
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SPEAKER_02
Yes, that must feel so powerful.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Four years later, you got arrested in El Paso.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I went about nothing.
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SPEAKER_01
That was just possession as well, right?
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SPEAKER_01
But you did a jail selfie, which I kind of like.
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SPEAKER_01
It made me curious how you had your phone in jail.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, because I just, you know, I m slick.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, so maybe they got one off you and you had another?
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SPEAKER_01
Nah.
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SPEAKER_01
No.
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SPEAKER_01
Nah, nah.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_01
I just...
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SPEAKER_00
Go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00
Is this stressing you out?
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SPEAKER_00
No, it s a jail selfie, so it s legendary, like, you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00
I ain t never seen a jail selfie.
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SPEAKER_00
It s a legendary jail selfie.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s iconic.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
How do you have your phone, though?
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SPEAKER_01
How did I have my phone?
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SPEAKER_01
How do you have a phone in there?
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SPEAKER_00
It s big business, baby.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_03
We re not learning that secret.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I m dying to know.
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SPEAKER_01
Maybe Al Farrell will find out what happened.
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SPEAKER_01
OK, things start taking off.
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SPEAKER_01
2012, you have ONIFC.
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SPEAKER_01
See You Again comes out, as we talked about.
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SPEAKER_01
It s enormous.
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SPEAKER_01
Does that change anything for you?
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SPEAKER_01
For sure.
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SPEAKER_01
In what way?
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SPEAKER_01
Does it give you access?
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SPEAKER_01
Were there people you wanted to work with?
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SPEAKER_01
What were the things you desired before that song that became very obtainable after that song?
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SPEAKER_00
It was more just that song opened me up to like Oscar shit, because I was nominated for an Oscar that year.
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SPEAKER_00
So I got invited to some cool ass parties and some cool ass events that I wouldn t have been associated with just with music.
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SPEAKER_00
How do you do at those events?
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SPEAKER_00
I m cool.
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SPEAKER_00
You feel comfortable?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I like those because nobody s security is with them.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like everybody s guard is down.
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SPEAKER_00
You re kind of forced to mingle.
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SPEAKER_00
Like I said, I m really good in those situations.
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SPEAKER_00
So you might end up being cool with somebody who you never even thought that you would like have anything in common with.
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SPEAKER_00
Who s someone that you connected with?
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SPEAKER_00
I m cool with everybody, but somebody who was super chill.
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SPEAKER_00
What s the guy s name from Catfish?
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SPEAKER_03
The document.
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SPEAKER_00
Neve is cool as fuck.
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SPEAKER_00
That s my boy.
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SPEAKER_00
There we go.
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SPEAKER_00
I think that was going to be that cool.
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SPEAKER_00
I never knew.
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SPEAKER_00
I never knew I was going to be cool with Neve.
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SPEAKER_00
Right.
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SPEAKER_00
That s my partner.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, lovely.
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SPEAKER_00
That s great.
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SPEAKER_00
You expect that.
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SPEAKER_03
How cool.
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SPEAKER_01
I m jealous of Ned right now, aren t you?
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SPEAKER_00
I know, me too, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, he s a cool dude, bro.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, wait, I have a question.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, please.
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SPEAKER_03
When you were young and making the mixtapes, you re in your driven mode.
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SPEAKER_03
What was, for you, the goal?
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SPEAKER_03
Is it, I want everyone to respect me?
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SPEAKER_03
I want everyone to like me?
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SPEAKER_03
I get approval?
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SPEAKER_03
Was it, I want money?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, what s the driving force?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
When I was hustling and making my come up,
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SPEAKER_00
Being that it was the blog era, that was mainly the audience that I was trying to impress.
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SPEAKER_00
It was the blogs that I had consumed at the time.
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SPEAKER_00
I wanted to be on those front pages.
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SPEAKER_00
I wanted to be at the top.
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SPEAKER_00
I wanted to be getting the clicks.
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SPEAKER_00
I wanted to be getting the comments.
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SPEAKER_00
I wanted to be getting good comments.
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SPEAKER_00
and I wanted to be making great art that people respected and knew what my point of view was.
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SPEAKER_00
That was my main goal, to make classics just based off of that criteria.
4
SPEAKER_00
Like, what s gonna make the blogs go crazy?
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SPEAKER_01
You re reluctant to say anyone that you were aiming at, but was there anybody whose career you were like, yeah, that s kind of the one I want?
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SPEAKER_00
Nah, cause everybody at that time really had super duper mainstream careers.
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SPEAKER_00
Young Jeezy or Lil Wayne or Rick Ross.
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SPEAKER_00
Those were the dudes who were really on when I was coming up.
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SPEAKER_00
So.
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SPEAKER_00
For me, in my class, in my era, it was always Drake.
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SPEAKER_00
Drake was the bar of what we could do.
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SPEAKER_00
Even in the mixtape era, his mixtape, So Far Gone, was like one of the best.
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SPEAKER_00
I think mine, Cushion Orange Juice, and Drake s, So Far Gone, is probably the most classic mixtapes out of that era.
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SPEAKER_00
And then people will put it in order between one or two, but Drake set the bar and everybody had to kind of keep up with that shit.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, that tour you were on was kind of based on Kush and Orange Juice, no?
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SPEAKER_00
It was based on everything that I was doing at that time.
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SPEAKER_00
I had Kush and Orange Juice.
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SPEAKER_00
I had Burn After Rollin .
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SPEAKER_00
I was dropping the mixtapes simultaneously with the tours.
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Once you were on the label, did they mind the mixtapes?
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Nah.
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They didn t see it as competition?
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Nah, they knew that that was part of my formula of keeping my fans entertained because the main thing with me was not changing how I did things.
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They wanted to keep it organic and they wanted to keep me in charge of my fan base, but just multiply it.
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It s very business-y.
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I don t know if anyone hates this, but it s a very Taylor Swift model where she s running the whole business.
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It feels like you re in that position too.
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It s your business and you re very aware of it.
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When you know your fan base and your brand and if your label is smart and they know that you re
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better at it than them.
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Right.
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You get it better than they do.
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Everybody eats when the project is successful.
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So let s just do it the best way possible.
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And a lot of my career was based off of the trust that I knew what my taste in fans was.
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When you toured with Fall Out Boy, how d that come about?
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We re friends with Pete.
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Yeah, we love Pete.
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Pete s the man.
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It was really fun to go on tour with them too.
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I had always been a headliner up to that point.
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I wanted to go on a tour with a group who had done it before and was bigger than me in a different genre.
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so we could connect fan bases.
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Some of my favorite tours were a mixture where it was like Metallica and Snoop or Rage Against the Machine and Wu-Tang.
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So I wanted to create an experience like that.
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And when you would look out in the audience, could you differentiate who was there for you and who was there for Fall Out Boy or you d have no idea?
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Only the face paint would let me know who was there for fall.
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No one comes in face paint for you?
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Other than that, it was really blended.
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Yeah.
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And you were playing what, arenas and stuff with them?
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We were doing amphitheaters.
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Okay.
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You just were on tour and I m a little bit resentful at you because of it because we had Snoop scheduled and then he left for this tour.
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So you guys were just on this high school tour together.
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How many shows did you guys play together?
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How long did you know him before this?
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We did 47 shows and we ve been cool since 2011.
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Where did you meet?
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I met Snoop at his original compound.
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I don t remember what side of town it was on.
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I think it was in Tarzana.
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Yeah, it was at the original.
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With the Lakers court?
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Yeah, yep.
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And you click with him immediately?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you guys have a similar vibe, I gotta say.
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That s my bro.
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I learned a lot from Snoop because I never really hung around too many celebrities.
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The ones that I did hang around that weren t like my immediate circle, they kind of gave off the vibe
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that they were like threatened a little bit, not really comfortable being themselves around me.
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And Snoop was the first one that was like giving me the game and telling me how to do stuff and making sure I was good and really being a big homie out here.
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Yeah, a mentor.
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Yeah, somebody who wanted me to win.
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And did he offer that to you, or did you pursue it, or was it completely equal?
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It was mutual.
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He came up on my music from his son.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, his son was listening to my mixtape.
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And Snoop heard it, and he was like, what the fuck?
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That sound like some of my old shit.
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The shit that he s talking about, he s like, people don t talk about that shit no more.
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What the fuck is this?
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And he s like,
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This is Wiz Khalifa.
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It s a young nigga, damn.
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I ain t know no young nigga could talk like that.
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He called me while I was on tour and he was just like, yeah, man, you know, I really fuck with your music.
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I want to do a song with you.
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Oh my God.
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I want to meet you when you come to LA.
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And then I came to LA and we shot a video for the song that we had, but I was so cool.
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He was like, man,
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We gotta shoot a movie.
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We gotta do a soundtrack.
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He was like, you need to move out here.
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You need to move right around the corner from my house.
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He was like, I want you to move right around the corner from my house.
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Oh, that s really beautiful.
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Hell yeah.
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And you did.
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You guys did a movie together in 2012.
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Yeah, that s what happened.
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As soon as he told me to do it, I did it.
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I m moving to LA.
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I m moving around the corner from Snoop s house.
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We re going to shoot a movie.
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We did all of that shit.
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We did the soundtrack, and Young, Wild, and Free ended up being on that soundtrack.
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We recorded that in his closet in his apartment.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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We shot the movie.
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The movie ended up doing pretty well.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We went on a fun promo tour for that.
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Do you ever take a step back?
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back or bird s eye view the whole thing and think like, whoa, I m best friends with Snoop.
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That s crazy.
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There s times when I m on stage where I m like, man, that s crazy.
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This is wild.
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I love that.
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I love making space for both.
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We were just talking about this because one of my friends is Robert Downey Jr.
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And I ve known him for now, I don t know, 15 years.
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And he s both a normal dude I m friends with.
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But then also I hold at the same time how fucking special he is to me.
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Both things can work at the same time.
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Bro, I got Snoop Dogg tatted on me, bro.
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Oh, you do?
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Before you met him?
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Nah, like since I ve known him.
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Probably like two years ago I got his face tatted on me, just randomly.
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I was like, I love this dude so much.
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Oh my God, this is great.
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That s really my guy.
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When you re in a town, what will you guys do?
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We just hang out backstage, really.
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Okay.
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You re at the hotel or you re at the venue.
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You re not out getting the best burger in Denver.
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Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
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Because he s super noticeable.
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Yeah, he s too much.
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And I m pretty noticeable.
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And he taught me that it s cool to be like this to where we re super friendly.
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Love to be around people, love to interact.
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And, you know, it s just based off of people s temperature.
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And if it gets a little bit too rowdy, we always have somebody in a cut.
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who can kind of mediate and get us up out of there.
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So we always the nice person and everybody s happy and that s all you re going to remember.
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Yeah, what a great mentor to have.
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Okay, so I m old and I was an adult when his music came out.
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What he was at the beginning, how Tipper Gore, all these people are like protesting him on the news all the time.
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Is this guy bad for society?
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Now he s on Sesame Street.
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My kids in the school down the street, they have a hip hop month where they study hip hop.
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They came home and they have outlines of Snoop Dogg.
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They got to fucking color him in.
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I m like, look at this life story.
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From where he was in 95 to being taught at this elementary school and to be in the halftime show at the Superbowl and own the whole city as his fucking city.
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It s such an incredible story.
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What makes it so great is I m obsessed with him.
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He has always seemed so comfortable in his own skin.
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So if he s standing up backstage to Shug, which is a crazy side of him that no one can relate to.
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And then playing with little kids, they re all real.
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There s space for all of it.
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He can be the sweetest guy in the world.
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He can also sing his truth about what he saw and what he was involved in.
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And it all can happen in one package.
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And I find it incredible.
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Do you think he s been encouraging about showing the softer, playful, funnier side?
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Because I think people shied away from that in the 90s.
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Snoop s all about transition.
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So the old Snoop Dogg, he doesn t want people to think of him now as that.
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And I think a lot of people get too caught up with trying to be who they were when he s perfectly happy with his legacy that he left.
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And he s doing what Snoop Dogg right now would do.
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He s on top of his game at everything that he s doing.
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And it s not repeating.
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He could visit it for you because he s been through a lot of different stages.
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And to know him is to know that those are real points in his life.
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So he s just going to keep developing and keep getting more advanced as his life gets more advanced.
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Yeah.
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You take your kid on tour with you, right?
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Your son?
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Then we have the same age.
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I got to take a piss real quick.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Real fast.
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I just wanted to start before.
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Take a little bit.
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Take your time.
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I ll beat you.
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Yeah, we re good to go.
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Stop hitting me.
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You re talking about abuse and then here you are.
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You re going to be named in a trial.
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When this goes to trial, you witness the whole thing.
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I didn t see shit.
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Salted Monica.
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I didn t see shit.
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That s all I was taking in there.
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I ain t getting stitches.
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I m not getting jumped when I go to Detroit.
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Yeah, yeah, watch out, watch out.
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Hey, Atlanta might come for you too.
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Let s be careful.
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That s true for not turning on me and becoming the key witness to put me behind bars, is that what you mean?
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Yeah, protect me.
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And you have a place in Pittsburgh as well?
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I do got a crib in Pittsburgh.
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How often are you there?
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A couple times a year, because like I said, I got family there.
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You do Christmas?
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Thanksgiving.
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I try to do one holiday there.
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I celebrate my sibling who passed away.
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I usually celebrate his birthday.
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So either I do it there or out here.
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And then I ll do a holiday there.
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I usually go back home just to go kick it, like go to a game or something like that.
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So then I ll go see my little cousins.
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So I m home pretty often.
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You have to be like Rocky going to Philadelphia.
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I mean, the fact that you got black and yellow as a song, it s gotta be the anthem of Pittsburgh now.
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It s crazy, dawg.
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I actually thought it was corny to have on black and yellow today.
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I was like, is this weird?
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But then I didn t think it was corny.
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I thought it would look gimmicky.
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Like I meant to put on black and yellow.
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Too self-conscious.
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No, no, no, I don t give a fuck.
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No, no, I m saying the look might appear self-conscious, like you thought too much about it.
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Yeah, like what if Wiz Khalifa just really walks around in black and yellow all the time?
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That d be crazy, right?
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I know, they d be like, this motherfucker walks the walk.
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This fool loves his brand, yeah, exactly.
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He walks the walk.
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Yeah.
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Dude, I was somewhere at a camping trip and McConaughey was driving around in the parking lot in circles in a goddamn Lincoln Navigator.
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I said, look at this motherfucker.
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He is doing it just like he s in the commercial.
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It s real.
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I m a little hurt that I walked you over to my Lincoln, which is the most black and gold car you re ever going to fucking see.
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And you didn t really, you didn t grab onto that.
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Those rims are gold.
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They re gold.
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Not yellow.
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I mean, OG Pittsburgh is black and gold, but it was always yellow though.
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That s why I said black and yellow.
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And when I switched it, you know.
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These aren t going to be expensive rims to replace to make them yellow.
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You got to get yellow.
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Yellow Forgiatos, man.
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You can do it.
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You got bread.
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I got paper.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Kids is where you were.
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Yes.
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Is he 10, your son, Sebastian?
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Yeah, he s 10 years old.
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Okay, so I have a 10-year-old too.
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Oh, cool.
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What s his reaction to it all?
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I think there s a mixture.
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There is those times where...
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You re like, oh man, I hope they re really loving this and just soaking this in.
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And they re just worried about being a kid.
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And they re just like nodding off on the side of the stage.
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It s late.
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Yeah.
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I love those times, too, because I m like, oh, he s being a kid.
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Yeah.
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And then there s times where he s locked in.
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And I can tell he s paying attention to seeing different shit, seeing it in a different way.
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And I m like, wow, this is cool, too, because I m not pushing him into it.
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He s naturally vibing with it.
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I don t think it s terrible that we want our kids.
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I want my kids to think I m cool.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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When you re on tour with them, I heard you talking about this on Kimmel, that there s the kid version of tour and then there s the adult version of tour.
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Just walk me through, like when he s with you, how many dates will he go out with you?
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He can ride for the whole tour if he wants to.
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He usually goes back like a week or two early.
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This year he went back two weeks early to start school and shit.
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SPEAKER_00
Was he at Red Rock?
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Did you do Red Rock?
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That was a 420 show.
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SPEAKER_00
Who smokes more weed, you or Snoop?
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Me now.
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I had a question about weed.
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Well, first of all, let s talk about you have your own weed.
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You have your own strain.
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SPEAKER_00
Khalifa Kush.
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Best weed in the world.
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What does Snoop say?
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Because he s got his own strain, right?
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Best weed in the world.
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They d be like, man, don t give me that KK, man.
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Give me something else.
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We call it KK.
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And is it sativa or indica heavy?
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Indica.
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You re very prolific on it.
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You re energized by it.
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You re creative on it.
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Yep.
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When do we start?
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As soon as we wake up?
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Hell yeah.
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Now, do you not want like an hour without it so you have something to compare it to?
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Does that make sense?
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SPEAKER_01
Like, how do you even know if you re stoned if you re stoned when you wake up?
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If you re me.
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Yeah, tell me.
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Which nobody is.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, who could be?
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SPEAKER_01
There s four guys in the whole world that could pull those boots off, and you re one of them.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, and then I follow the other four on Instagram.
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SPEAKER_00
I got other shit to do other than smoking weed.
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SPEAKER_00
The weed is a part of it.
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So I gotta wake up, I got four dogs, I gotta feed those dogs, I got my son, I gotta make sure he s up brushing his teeth, getting his outfit together, making sure he s fresh as hell for school.
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That s your hour right there.
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I got you.
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Without smoking weed.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, and then you drive your kid to school.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Me too.
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But I get stoned before I drive.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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I hit the weed before we leave to go.
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SPEAKER_00
Right, so you don t have a road raid incident.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, you know, just makes everything better.
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SPEAKER_00
Life is better when you re high.
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SPEAKER_02
Wait, can we talk about that?
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SPEAKER_00
I m curious.
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SPEAKER_00
There s some times where I wake up and it s the very first thing that I do.
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SPEAKER_00
Sure.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, if you don t have your responsibilities.
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SPEAKER_00
It s not mandatory to be the very first thing, but we wake and bake over here every day.
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SPEAKER_00
Right, what s the name of a tour 10 years ago, for Christ s sake?
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SPEAKER_00
You declared this long ago.
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SPEAKER_00
It s just, there s levels to it.
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SPEAKER_00
A lot of people look at being constantly stoned as never having a sober moment in life.
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SPEAKER_00
And that s not what is going on over here.
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I m just more high than I m not.
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And, oh, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00
Did you want one before?
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SPEAKER_02
Well, I was just curious, when did you start smoking?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t really tell people when I start smoking.
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SPEAKER_01
Because you don t want to encourage other people.
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Got it.
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Copy.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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It s like actors not admitting they re on testosterone.
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SPEAKER_01
That makes sense.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t want kids taking testosterone.
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SPEAKER_02
But when you started smoking, did you immediately feel more productive or energized or I feel less angry or anxious or what did it do?
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I started smoking for music purposes because I didn t smoke weed all the time coming up.
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SPEAKER_02
In Japan?
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Yeah, I was a normal kid and shit.
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SPEAKER_00
And then I got exposed to it and I was around a bunch of musicians who were smoking a shit ton of pot.
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SPEAKER_00
And they were like, man, you re hard, but like, you know, that s how we talk.
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SPEAKER_00
You can rap, like your music is hard.
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SPEAKER_00
You re good at what you do, but as soon as you start smoking weed, it s going to take it to the next level.
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SPEAKER_00
I was like, nah, whatever.
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I m good.
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SPEAKER_00
I m good.
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SPEAKER_00
I m good.
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SPEAKER_00
And then one day I was like, fuck it, I m gonna just try it.
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SPEAKER_00
And then I heard music totally differently.
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It was a completely different experience with music that I had ever had.
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And it was something that I could physically grasp.
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So I started smoking weed and playing with music.
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I was already recording before, but that was the thing that drew me to it.
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And then just life experiences based around pot, meeting people,
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I m the weed guy.
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You know, you guys do whatever you want to do.
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I m the guy who s going to get stoned.
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And then being in the neighborhoods that I grew up in, too, there s a lot of other shit to be getting into that s way worse.
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I got into all that.
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You weren t drawn to that at all?
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Nah, nah.
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No.
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No.
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Weed was just the way to be.
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Down but not be fully not even like with using hard drugs because I m on the other side of it being black It s like selling that shit.
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I never wanted to sell hard drugs because it s gets way more violent You got way more people trying to rob you the vibe is totally different So I was always cool selling weed in high school as opposed to different things.
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I
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Yeah, so it just made me more comfortable.
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And this business you have is no enormous, no?
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It s like national.
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Yeah, we re all over the place, man.
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Is it insanely profitable?
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Yeah.
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It s another poker in the fire, right?
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It s another opportunity.
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Yeah, for sure.
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As all this stuff ebbs and flows, as it does, right, this is maybe more predictable and stable?
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Nah, I wouldn t say predictable and stable because the laws change all the time.
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But they re only getting more lenient, no?
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It looks like the trend is that, I don t know how many states there are right now, like 24?
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It s still new.
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Where we re at right now, we weren t here five years ago.
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So as profitable as it is and looking right now, I wouldn t have been able to say this five years ago.
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So five years from now, we re planning on that, but you never fucking know.
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Right.
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Because what is it in right now?
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24 states or something?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Now, also, you re at the front of the shrooms business.
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Yeah, yup.
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Tell me about this.
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I just started a company called Mr. Caps, and with mushrooms, the psychedelic kind of mushrooms aren t necessarily legal yet, but you can grow your own mushrooms that still have medicinal properties, calming, and just connecting.
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There s a lot of research being done with mushrooms and their connectivity to the human DNA.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, if they re not psilocybin, what are they?
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Like Lion s Mane and stuff?
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Yeah.
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There s so many different ones that you can grow.
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So we got the whole menu.
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And will you get into psilocybin if those get legal?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That s the crossover.
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So we got the regular brand already, grassroots, five, 10 years, however long it takes for the psilocybin to become legal.
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Then we just add that to the menu.
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And how do you deal with the, this is probably too personal, but I know when it was started in the early days, because the banks are federal and it s still federally illegal, how do you deal with all the money?
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The main thing is how you have your crops grown.
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That s where we re the best and the most safe at.
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And that s how the money is able to flow the way that it does.
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The seeds are able to flow the way it does.
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The product is able to flow the way it does.
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Is it mostly grown in California?
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It s grown all over the place, but it s by
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one company.
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And it s the same seat everywhere.
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Yeah.
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Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.
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Okay, now, Cali Sober.
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That s your newest album.
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Yeah.
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Listened to it all morning over and over again.
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Okay.
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It s so fucking good.
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Thanks, bro.
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Oh my God.
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Sexy Bath is incredible.
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Thank you, man.
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Sexy Bath.
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The first song on the album, Cali Sober, is you and Mike Tyson smoking weed.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah, yup.
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How incredible is that?
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Fun.
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Yeah, tell me about that.
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You invite him to the studio.
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How does this get arranged?
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I did Mike s podcast and they took some, well, I did the mixtape with DJ Who Kid.
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And like I was telling you about mixtape culture, artist DJ.
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So I m the artist, Who Kid s the DJ.
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And I was like, yo, chop up some shit and just make it fun.
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And he took a clip from the podcast that me and Mike Tyson, when we were smoking on his podcast, cause he smokes a lot of weed.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is a potentially dicey question, but do you feel like your hands are tied talking about other people?
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Let s just say culturally that I think there s a different dynamic about talking about other people s business.
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You mean like between black people and white people?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Don t you think?
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No.
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No?
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Nah.
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No, okay.
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I don t think so.
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Okay.
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I think I know what you re talking about, though.
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I think you re saying, like, if you say something about a black dude, he d be like, what the fuck you talking about, man?
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Let me say my name, bro.
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Well, yeah, I don t know if I would do that character, but I definitely think minding each other s privacy is part of the... Well, to me, I think that s just like... For obvious reasons.
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I think it s just general, like, common respect, yeah.
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Yeah, but I think you re saying because there s more of a vulnerability, that s just the reality.
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Like you said, the cops are arresting you for things they re not arresting other people for.
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So there s a sense of like, don t get me in trouble type of thing.
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Well, hold on.
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Even the expression, putting you on blast, that didn t come out of the white world.
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We took it and we loved it.
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That shit might ve came from Alabama.
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We ll have to look it up.
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There s some country shit that s pretty close.
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That s what I m saying.
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No, I feel you, I feel you.
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Some of them down there.
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Some of the country stuff is pretty indistinguishable from some of the hood stuff.
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It just travels, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And a lot of country slang is hood slang.
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I know.
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100%.
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West Coast got their own slang, East Coast got their own slang.
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East Coast slang is crazy.
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My New York family, oh man, I love talking to them.
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Really?
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Yeah, yo.
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But back to putting you on blast.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What s the context of that?
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Because I want to know.
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Well, like, I asked you about Tyson.
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I just felt like this slight little apprehension to, like, indulge.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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All right.
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You want a Mike Tyson story?
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Yeah.
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He s cool as fuck.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I met Mike Tyson at the Grammys.
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And he gave me, like, a big-ass hug.
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And, like, that s how I thought he was going to be.
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Like, anybody who doesn t meet Mike Tyson, they re going to think, like,
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oh, this dude s scary, or he s gonna punch you in the face.
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But I m like, I m a fan of Mike Tyson, and he s standing right next to me.
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I was like, what s up, Mike?
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And he was like, oh, he gave me a hug.
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He was like, what s up?
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And then that s what our relationship s always been based off of, just being cool and shit like that.
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So that s why I was able to do this podcast and smoke hella weed.
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Okay, I love him.
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He s one of my favorite people.
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I have more of his quotes memorized than almost anybody.
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He s always my favorite on Stern.
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He s so fucking good.
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Yeah, he s a good dude.
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I ve got a few insane Mike Tyson stories.
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I think you ll enjoy this one.
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I had been on, you re already snickering like you re nervous.
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I don t know what it is.
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I had been on TV for five minutes, okay?
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I go to Vegas with a friend to go see a fight.
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And a few people recognized me.
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And I was so excited.
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So the friend I m with, we re sitting at the fight and fucking Mike Tyson s like six rows ahead of us.
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And he, teasing me, he s like, why don t you go see if Mike Tyson s a fan?
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Seem to think everyone here knows who you are.
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I m like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Funny, funny, funny.
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We re leaving the fight.
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We re walking down the hallway of the MGM.
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I feel a hand on my shoulder.
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I turn around and there s this enormous dude, like 6 8 .
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He goes, Mike wants to talk to you.
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I look beyond him and Mike Tyson s there.
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I m like, oh my god, Mike Tyson knows who I am.
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He wants to talk to me.
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I go up to Mike Tyson.
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I m like, hey, I m Dax.
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He goes, yeah, I know who you are.
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I saw the punk.
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You re so funny.
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I can t believe you can do that on the spot.
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I d love to be on the show.
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I m like, oh my god, we would fucking love to have you on the show.
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You name the day, you know?
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I swear to god, whiz, seven days later, I m in LA at the Staples Center for the NBA All-Star Game.
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Walk outside, waiting for valet.
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Look over.
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Mike Tyson s 10 feet away.
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I m with a new friend.
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Now I m going to show off.
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I go, check this out.
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Mike Tyson loves me.
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Go up to Mike Tyson.
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Let s just start by putting my hand right on his shoulder.
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Hey, Mike, way too much.
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He turns around, he looks at me and he goes, get your fucking hand off my shoulder.
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and I take my hand off, but I think, oh, he s showing me that he can punk me.
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And I go, oh my God, that s great.
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Now I tap him.
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Now I m like, oh yeah, that s great.
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And he s like, touch me again, we re gonna break your fucking head open.
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And then I realized, oh, he s not joking.
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Somehow in seven days, he knew who I was seven days ago, and now at the Staples Center, he has no clue who I am.
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And it was quite a moment.
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He didn t see that week s episode of Punk d.
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Exactly, my theory is he must have seen Punk d in the elevator on the way down to the fight.
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It was fresh in his mind, and then he just erased his hard drive that week.
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In a sense though, and then he s been very, very sweet.
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Maybe he thought he was getting Punk d, so he was playing along.
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Whatever the case was.
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That s a good one.
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I had not had that feeling looking at another man since I was a kid, where I was like, oh, you re in deep shit right now.
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This goes sideways like you were in deep shit.
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Damn, bro.
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Mike s pretty scary.
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He can be.
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And that s what it is.
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It s 50-50, man.
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It can go both ways.
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But he s also so sweet.
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I ve seen the sweet side of him, too.
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I m delighted to see he s doing well and he s got the podcast.
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It s the weed, man.
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Yeah.
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It works for him.
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My favorite thing he said on Stern was, if someone tells me that having a lot of money will make you happy, what I know about them immediately is they ve never had a lot of money.
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Yeah, that s pretty true.
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Okay, well the new album s incredible.
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Everyone should be buying Khalifa Kush.
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Smoke it.
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And Kali Sober, that s pretty funny, because that s a saying, obviously.
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Yeah, yep.
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I just learned it.
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You did?
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Yeah.
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I quit drinking recently, so.
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Oh, you did?
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Yeah, so I m actually Kali Sober.
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SPEAKER_01
How s that going?
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Really good.
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SPEAKER_02
Monica just did it for a month?
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Yeah, I did it for a month.
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A month?
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SPEAKER_01
Ish.
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Yeah, I didn t like it.
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I m back on it.
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SPEAKER_01
Drinking s fun as fuck.
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SPEAKER_01
I know!
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SPEAKER_01
Tell me about it.
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SPEAKER_03
The sauce is awesome.
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What made you get off?
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You just wanted to be healthier?
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I just got too much shit to do.
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It don t balance in with all of that shit.
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Getting fucked up.
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You can t do both.
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You get to an age where a hangover, you re out for a fucking day.
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Like, okay, I just erased a day out of my life.
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If there s one that I would rather commit to, it s this one.
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Yeah.
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Mary Jane.
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Okay, well, listen, it s been a blast meeting you.
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I hope everybody immediately goes and listens to Cali Sober.
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Yeah, listen to Cali Sober, man.
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It s so good.
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Fuck is it good.
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And I got new music on the way, too.
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I m gonna be dropping another mixtape at the end of this month.
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Where does one go to get the mixtape?
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Cause I even went on Spotify to listen to some of your mixtapes.
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It ll come up, but I can t play it.
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Are mixtapes is available as your normal releases or no?
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Yeah, they are.
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What one did I just look at?
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I bet if I pull up Spotify right now, I can tell you the one that it.
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No, I got jazz.
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I m a Taz guru.
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Cause guru died.
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SPEAKER_02
You might have to upgrade your subscription player.
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SPEAKER_02
It should be available to 28 grams.
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SPEAKER_02
I can t listen to on Spotify.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, that s not on Spotify.
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SPEAKER_02
It looks like it s there and it s got all the songs, but when I push play, they re like, no, you can t.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
So like, where would I listen to 28 grams?
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SPEAKER_03
That was a free mixtape.
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SPEAKER_03
So when I dropped that, that was at a time where this website called Dat Piff was really popular.
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SPEAKER_03
Dat Piff isn t even up anymore.
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SPEAKER_03
So just even the format of that is not updated in streaming form.
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SPEAKER_03
28 grams is a package
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of files that if you had it before, you can listen to it.
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SPEAKER_03
But to go on streaming service right now, it doesn t exist because the free music hasn t been cleared.
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SPEAKER_03
The producers haven t been put through the system.
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I think it s on SoundCloud.
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SPEAKER_02
SoundCloud?
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SPEAKER_03
Is that where I should go to get all your mixtapes?
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SPEAKER_03
No, not all of them.
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SPEAKER_03
Some of the mixtapes have crossed over into streaming services, but I have so many mixtapes that some slipped through the cracks.
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Yeah.
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Just Google it.
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You re so prolific, it s crazy.
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I am.
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I know, you are.
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Like a motherfucker.
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Yeah, I really am.
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Like how many mixtapes have you made, do you know?
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In the 20s, man.
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What album is Cali Sober?
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What number is that?
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20-something.
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And do you feel it s slowing down at all or no?
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No, I just said I m releasing another mixtape at the end of this month.
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SPEAKER_02
And is it just as easy for you to be creative now that you re comfortable?
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That can get in your way.
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It s easy for me to be creative.
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I don t really feel comfortable.
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My goal and just drive comes from being inspired and like getting better musically.
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So I feel like I could write songs better this week than I ve been able to write in my whole life.
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knowing that and just applying those techniques and for the world to be able to hear it and coming up with different business models and plans and just being excited about the job and getting to work and having a goal and accomplishing that shit like that s what my music really is to me.
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How many hours in a given week will you be in a studio?
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I usually start at like seven o clock and I usually get done at two in the morning.
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SPEAKER_02
Seven PM?
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
And you go to two in the morning?
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Yeah.
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And how many days a week do you do that?
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Five.
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Get out!
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You re working at like a job.
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Might as well.
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And people come by?
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Are you by yourself?
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People come by.
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Sometimes I m by myself.
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Sometimes I work at home.
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Do you like collaborating?
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I love to collaborate.
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And do you have a dream collaboration you haven t done yet?
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I m down to work with anybody who wants to work with me.
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Okay, I ll do it.
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SPEAKER_00
I ll do it.
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SPEAKER_00
Say no more.
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Say no more.
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Let s get it, bro.
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Let s do it.
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Detroit and Pittsburgh.
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Everyone s been waiting for this.
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There s a couple people I want to work with.
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Jay-Z would be fun to work with.
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SPEAKER_03
Eminem would be fun to work with.
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SPEAKER_01
Detroit.
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SPEAKER_03
You re singing to the choir now.
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Raphael Sadiq, I want to work with him.
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Swizz Beatz is a producer that I want to work with.
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Not just a producer, but that s my partner and I ve been wanting to work with him for a long time.
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There s a couple people that I want to do some music with.
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Can we talk about Jay-Z for one second?
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SPEAKER_03
Sure.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh my God, I love him so much.
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SPEAKER_03
Jay-Z s tight, right?
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Fuck.
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SPEAKER_01
Dax wants to be him, I would say.
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Oh, fuck.
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I was about to say J.D.
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That s Jermaine Dupri, we can t do that.
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But yeah, Jay-Z s the shit.
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There s so many things we could focus on.
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There s the music.
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Yeah.
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There s just him.
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Yeah.
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One of my best embarrassing stories of all time, my wife had invited me to the Met Gala like four times.
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And I said, I don t want to go to that.
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I don t want to wear a tuxedo, blah, blah, blah.
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That was one of those times you were getting in the way of yourself.
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Absolutely.
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Because you should have been at the Met Gala for sure.
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Well, she said, you re going to come this year because we ll be at Jay-Z s table.
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And I said, we will absolutely be there.
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I cannot wait.
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Go to the Met Gala.
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And at the table is a bunch of exciting people.
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Sacha Baron Cohen s there.
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Kanye s there.
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Jay-Z and Beyonce.
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I think it s fair to say everyone liked me.
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Jay-Z, I gave my A game to, and I promise you if he d seen me in the bathroom in the middle of the meal, he wouldn t have known who I was.
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It was the biggest misfire of my life.
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Hov s like a tough crowd.
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He is.
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He doesn t have any people pleaser in him, or maybe at this point he doesn t.
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I don t think that has anything to do with it, but sure.
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He don t come from that era.
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People-pleasing?
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Yeah.
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Do you feel that need?
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Just naturally, I came up kind of people-pleasing.
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It didn t have anything to do with my career.
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It s just more of my surroundings.
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Well, you re the younger brother, like me.
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Yeah.
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And all the moving around.
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Yeah, the moving.
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A lot of my environment was
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doing shit so I could just kind of blend in, you know what I mean?
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And just get by.
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I m not going to really blame it on not being like everybody else, but I never fit in.
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You were always playing a role a little bit?
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Not really playing a role, but it s like you got to find some type of normal to be normal.
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I didn t want to be on my own island just anywhere.
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That s why I m able to be an entertainer, because I can connect with people on some level.
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And that s a passion of mine, too, is connecting with people.
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being weird you gotta figure out a way to connect with people and sometimes that s just understanding them
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And, you know, early on, you don t really know when you re doing more for a crowd or if you re really doing it for yourself, because you re good at it.
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Right, yeah, yeah.
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So it s like, who is this really for?
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They can start leading you a little bit.
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Right, right.
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Instead of you leading them.
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Right, right.
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And you just have to get back to what your original reason for being there is.
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So I think in life, I learned the difference between people loving me for who I am and putting on that show.
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I think I walked away from the Jay-Z experience going, I get it.
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This dude s attention and time, he knows the value of it.
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He don t gotta put on no show for no money.
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He s not squandering it and he don t need friends.
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And some people don t like small talk and shit like that.
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Like, that s cool.
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There s nothing wrong with that.
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I respect that.
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Hella.
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I envy it.
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I m a people pleaser.
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If we get in an elevator together, man, I ll fucking break the silence.
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I ll make sure it s not awkward.
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Like, let s go.
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I ll tell some jokes.
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There s no way I can just sit in there and be awkward with you.
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You re going to get a shot.
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You don t want to be uncomfortable.
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It s about your own comfort level.
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That s true.
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Yeah.
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Uncomfortable silence is not uncomfortable to everybody.
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Yeah.
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If you re the one saying like, I got to break it, that means you re uncomfortable.
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To me, it s insufferable.
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You re right.
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Silence?
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Yeah.
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It s terrifying.
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What s going to happen?
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I like to be quiet sometimes.
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You do?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Well, this has been a blast.
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You re one of only a handful of guests that have been taller than me, so you re in an elite group.
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And younger than me.
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Yeah, younger than Monica and taller than dad.
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Still, it counts.
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15 days.
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A lot happened in those 15 days.
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So much happened.
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SPEAKER_01
Your mom was in labor, that was it.
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Or my mom was in labor, that was it.
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SPEAKER_01
That s true.
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Yeah, your mom was like, it s time.
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I was early, so, you know, maybe we were supposed to be the same age, exactly.
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We were supposed to be birthday buddies, but I can t remember.
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We would still be birthday buddies, technically.
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We can be.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you the same size?
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We were celebrating birthday parties, yeah.
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Right.
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We were celebrating birthday parties.
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It would have to be at the same time, so we could consolidate.
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You d have to split the diff.
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You d have to go like September 2nd.
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Yeah.
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So we are birthday buddies.
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Okay, I like that.
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This is perfect.
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We worked it all out.
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We all are people pleasers at the end of the day.
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Yeah, I m a team player.
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I want to win.
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Great meeting you.
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I hope we can come see you perform.
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I would love that.
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Yeah, it would be sick.
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When are you touring next?
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That s the thing.
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I m about to start working on my album now.
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And based off of when I put the album out is going to determine the tour.
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SPEAKER_01
When have you played Cali Sober?
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SPEAKER_01
Were you playing that on the Snoop tour?
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Nah, I dropped Cali Sober in October.
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SPEAKER_01
Right.
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So why aren t we out touring with that?
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Why do we got to wait for another album?
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This is confusing how this works with the mixtapes.
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That s what I m saying.
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Like if I m gonna sit here and explain the whole reason for a mixtape is to feed the streets and to set up the album.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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and you not gonna understand it, then what else do I gotta say?
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So wait, hold on, Kali Sober s a mixtape?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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But I got to get it on the spot.
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But I also told you that me and Drake started the full projects as mixtapes.
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I got you.
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So it might sound like a full project.
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It certainly does.
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I can t imagine it sounding better.
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Yeah, because that s just from the era that we come from.
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So I m putting you onto a culture.
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You re learning.
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I m trying my hardest.
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I m a little old is the problem.
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SPEAKER_00
He has dyslexia.
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That s the thing.
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See, I got a 10 year old.
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So I m still learning shit too at 36.
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You got to be willing to learn.
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I m trying, I m trying my hardest.
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You gotta be willing.
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You gotta really open your mind.
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You can t just be walking around out here like, oh, is this a mixtape?
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Cause I m playing it on Spotify.
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You gotta be like, Wiz just dropped a mixtape on Spotify.
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Let s get it.
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Because that s how you stay connected to the world, man.
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I knew I would expose my nerdyness.
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It s very rare, I gotta be honest with you.
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I m just saying, don t let yourself get old and oblivious, bro.
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I m trying, I m trying.
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You gotta stay tapped in because your kids, you re gonna have to experience their experiences with them, or they re gonna do it with some crazy ass kids who s fucking popping pills and not gonna fucking have their best interests in mind.
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So you gotta know what they re into, you gotta know what they re up to, you gotta know what they re digesting, you gotta know what their words mean,
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You gotta know what their technology is.
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You gotta know all of that shit.
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You can t let that shit fly out of your head.
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Wiz, I went and saw the fucking Arrow s movie.
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You think I m not doing that?
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I m just saying, bro.
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I was at the Taylor Swift movie.
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I m just telling you, bro.
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I m doing it.
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Did you do something with her?
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This shit s important.
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I came out for See You Again.
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She brought me out a few years ago.
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SPEAKER_03
That s awesome.
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To see and see you again.
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Yeah, Taylor s a boss, man.
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SPEAKER_00
She s a G. My son s a Taylor Swift fan.
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SPEAKER_00
How could he not be?
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SPEAKER_00
She makes really good music and she s like super duper in control of her career.
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SPEAKER_00
But don t just be into Taylor Swift.
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Absorb everything that is going on out here.
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Do not get lost in the sauce, Dax.
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We love you.
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We need you out here.
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Last one.
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We need Dax in the field.
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Other than my Jay-Z obsession.
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I support Dax in the field.
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You know who is in a two-way tie now with Jay-Z for me?
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Who?
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Is Pac.
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SPEAKER_01
Who s Pack?
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SPEAKER_01
Anderson Pack.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00
I never heard him called Pack before.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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Now you put me up on game.
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SPEAKER_01
Do you love Anderson Pack?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, just a yeah or like- We can cut it.
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SPEAKER_01
Come on.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, you can be honest.
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SPEAKER_01
We cut stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
We cut so much stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
See, that s y all not thinking that I want to talk about somebody again.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, that was.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, but what happened with me is- You have like a weird, yeah.
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I just answered your question.
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SPEAKER_01
You said, do I like him?
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I say, yeah.
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I know, but I wanna bond with you.
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SPEAKER_01
Do you fucking love, when they panned over at the fucking halftime show and you re like, this motherfucker s been playing drums this whole time?
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SPEAKER_01
Are you kidding me?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Oh my God, was I happy with that smile?
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SPEAKER_01
That motherfucker can play the drums too.
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SPEAKER_01
It was hard, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
Yes.
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SPEAKER_01
You listen to his albums?
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Every one, I fucking know every single word.
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SPEAKER_03
But maybe not, I don t know if he has mixtapes.
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SPEAKER_00
He doesn t drop mixtapes.
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SPEAKER_00
He does drop mixtapes.
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SPEAKER_00
God, so much to learn.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, he s got like group projects with people and they try to change their name and it s him and two other dudes as DJs.
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SPEAKER_00
That s the fun part about being in the underground.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, you re not just getting force fed what everybody else is eating out here.
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SPEAKER_00
You re discovering your own plate and your palate is way, way more experienced.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, eclectic.
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SPEAKER_03
You might need to just email us some stuff.
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SPEAKER_00
But Pac is a good friend of mine.
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SPEAKER_00
He is?
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SPEAKER_00
He s a really cool dude.
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SPEAKER_00
We came up together kind of in the same era.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I was gonna say, is he roughly your age, or is he a little older?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, we re around, he s older than me.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_03
Is he older than you and younger than me, or is he older than both of us?
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SPEAKER_00
He s older than both of us.
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SPEAKER_00
What if he was born in those three days?
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He s like right in the middle.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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He s been in the studio with Dre for freaking a long time.
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SPEAKER_00
Dr. Dre.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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So he learned really, really, really good shit and has been able to apply it not only to his career, musically, writing.
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SPEAKER_00
He s DJ and now I don t know if you know, he s like DJ Pee-wee.
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SPEAKER_00
I did not know that.
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SPEAKER_00
He dresses up in a whole thing and he does vinyl only DJ sets.
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SPEAKER_00
Really?
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SPEAKER_00
It s funny.
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This is just me being me like thinking.
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We went from you saying Pac and me being like, yeah, and you being like, we can cut it, to me being like, you don t know about his DJ sets, bro?
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And we re friends.
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But that s what he wants.
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That s why when you say, yeah.
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I ll give it to you, but it s like, I got to earn it, I guess, a little bit.
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I m Jay-Zing you right now.
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I m telling you.
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You told us at the beginning, everyone s got to earn your trust and affection, so.
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SPEAKER_00
But yeah, Anderson Paake does really, really dope DJ sets.
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SPEAKER_00
Where can I see them?
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SPEAKER_00
He just does them live.
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SPEAKER_00
He does them live.
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SPEAKER_00
They re at a lot of corporate parties and intimate events and shit like that.
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SPEAKER_00
You probably don t go out like that no more.
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SPEAKER_00
If I got two little kids.
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But if you ever step out, though, I told you, man, we getting in the field, bro.
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Oh, I would go anywhere with you.
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SPEAKER_00
Come on.
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SPEAKER_01
If you called me and just gave me an address and a time.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, and I don t drink, so it s like, it s just gonna be a real good time, bro.
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SPEAKER_00
Hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
We re both so tall.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, we are.
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Tall and sober.
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SPEAKER_00
Boy, your wife will be pissed when you come home.
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SPEAKER_00
She is gonna be so mad.
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SPEAKER_01
I will definitely wear boots.
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SPEAKER_00
You re gonna have to say different words.
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SPEAKER_00
I can have a little doobie rolled up in your ear.
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SPEAKER_03
That s not allowed for this month.
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SPEAKER_01
You re probably too young, but did you ever watch Hits from the Street on BET?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, do you know Al?
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SPEAKER_01
He was Hits.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
So he was on the first season of Punk d with me, and he and I were best friends.
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SPEAKER_01
We got on so good, and that year of my life was the most fun, because it was that.
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SPEAKER_01
It was meeting him at 1 a.m.
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on Sunday in Culver City at a warehouse.
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SPEAKER_01
Then we were at this other club.
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SPEAKER_01
You had a black best friend, I was about to say, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yes, it was so good.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, you need a black best friend.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, my black best friends are female mostly.
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SPEAKER_00
You need a homeboy who s tall, and you need a black version of you.
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SPEAKER_00
I always keep the white version of me, a tall, skinny white dude with me, because you need the black you.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, who s that?
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SPEAKER_00
That s my partner Will.
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SPEAKER_01
Will, okay, so he s the white you.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, he s a white whiz.
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SPEAKER_01
All right, this is perfect, white whiz.
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SPEAKER_01
Fuck, I ll go black.
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SPEAKER_01
Black Dax.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh my God, you re not allowed to say that.
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SPEAKER_00
You can say it as much as you want.
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SPEAKER_00
We gotta find you a Black Dax.
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SPEAKER_00
I ll be Black Dax, let s go.
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SPEAKER_00
Let s do it.
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SPEAKER_00
I think we re, yeah, I mean, we can overcome this age gap, right?
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SPEAKER_00
I was about to say, it s pretty age appropriate.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Because I know how to chill, but I ll get you on some rowdy shit.
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SPEAKER_00
Black Dax, all day.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, listen, and you know why?
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SPEAKER_01
Because we both have 10 year olds, we re trapped in the same mindset anyways.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, that makes us
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the same age, because we re both dealing with 10 year olds.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, I can t wait for this.
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SPEAKER_03
I got a whole new chapter in my life coming, Monica.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, you re going to be showing up to the school events.
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SPEAKER_04
You re going to be the man.
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SPEAKER_03
You already are.
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SPEAKER_03
I am going to get that low rider.
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SPEAKER_03
What year?
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SPEAKER_03
We got to ride together.
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SPEAKER_03
Because you have low riders.
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SPEAKER_03
People don t know this.
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SPEAKER_03
We talked in the driveway.
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SPEAKER_03
I really want a 94 Fleetwood.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh yeah, we did talk about that.
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SPEAKER_03
What lowriders do you have?
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SPEAKER_04
My joints are from the 60s.
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SPEAKER_04
62 Impala, I had a 64 Impala, and I got a 57 Bel Air.
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SPEAKER_03
And that s on hydraulics?
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SPEAKER_04
No, I didn t cut that one, actually.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, you didn t?
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SPEAKER_03
Okay, that s just a straight hot rod.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, that s lovely.
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SPEAKER_03
I want a 55.
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SPEAKER_03
a 56 Bel Air, it s not a 56.
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SPEAKER_03
That s better.
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SPEAKER_03
I don t like the huge fins.
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SPEAKER_03
The 56 and the 55, those are the cars.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I got a 56, yep.
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SPEAKER_03
We re made for each other.
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SPEAKER_02
Come on, black dots in the building, bro.
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SPEAKER_02
I guess I m white whiz.
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SPEAKER_02
That works, white whiz.
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SPEAKER_02
Let s go.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, that, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
All right, we ll go out on that.
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SPEAKER_03
Monica s getting more and more scared.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, y all, you re talking about, y all, don t cut this.
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SPEAKER_05
No, no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_03
But she s waiting for me to say the thing that will have to get cut.
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SPEAKER_03
Exactly.
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SPEAKER_03
We just gotta wrap it up.
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SPEAKER_03
All right, all right, all right, all right.
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SPEAKER_03
All right, boy, this has been party.
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But this was very fun.
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Thanks for coming.
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Thanks for having me, I appreciate y all.
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Take me to the Anderson Paak fucking DJ set.
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DJ set, I m gonna get your number.
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Wait, I wanna go to that.
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Oh, now you re in.
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I wanna come to some of the things.
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You need white Monica.
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Yeah, but I m pretty white.
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Well, no, you re Indian.
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You re not white.
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Not by color standards, but I m not cool.
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I m like white in that way.
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I m not very cool.
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You just need some seasoning.
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Do you want some real talk?
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We re here.
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Let s do some real talk.
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I m gonna be honest with you.
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So I lived in downtown Detroit.
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For me, poor white people and the black people I knew in Detroit, we have more in common than I had with the rich white people.
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Like we had the same government block of cheese, right?
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We know what s up.
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So I ve always felt so comfortable.
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The only two times I ve felt so fucking white, it s kind of happened here today a little bit.
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I felt that you, yeah.
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But what s crazy is the only other time, and you ve heard me say this on here, was Snoop.
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And he was giving me so much love.
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It could have been so great.
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And as I was talking to him, I m like, God damn it, I m white.
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This is fucking brutal.
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It s just because we got hella swag, yo.
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So much swagger.
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Yeah, we got hella swag.
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And I ve got like hillbilly swagger.
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Nah, you cool.
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It works in a different realm.
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Nah, you good.
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Take the compliment.
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Okay, I ll take it, I ll take it.
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But I think it s funny that the only other person I felt super white in front of was your best friend, Snoop.
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Me and Snoop, we love white people.
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I was just at a show the other day.
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This lady walked up to me and she was like, you know, Snoop, my mom produced this show for blah, blah, blah.
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Wait, she called you Snoop?
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Yeah.
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And I was like, hold on, go back.
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A little bit.
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She was like, my mom produced a show.
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I was like, no, go back.
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And she was like, hold on.
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And I was like, no.
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Right there in the middle.
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Would you just call me?
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She was like, Snoop.
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I was like, I m not Snoop.
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And she was like, oh my gosh.
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What did I just say?
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What did I just do?
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I m canceled.
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Yeah.
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She s like, do a lot of people say that to you?
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I was like, yeah, sure.
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A lot of white people.
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Yeah, that s great.
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I was like, but I get it.
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I m tall.
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I got long hair and I m standing here smoking a fat ass joint.
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Yeah, you re checking a lot of the boxes.
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So, to a white person, that s Snoop Dogg for sure.
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I get it, like it s no harm done.
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But no, I m not him.
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I get Zach Braff.
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Okay.
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Do you know who that is from Scrubs?
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No.
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Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
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You see it, right?
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Wow.
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Thank you.
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But that s not you, though.
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It s not me.
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That s crazy, because that s not you.
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Right, but it feels like it, right?
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A little bit?
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All right, well, this has been a party.
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And I m going to give you my number.
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Oh, this sounds racist now, but here we go.
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Do you play spades?
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Do I play spades?
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Yes.
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I don t play spades.
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That could have been the foundation of it.
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We play five days a week.
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We love spades.
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Yeah, we should teach you.
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That s like the least black I am.
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Spades and watermelon.
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I don t eat watermelon.
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I don t fuck with watermelon.
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That s supposed to be like the universal black thing.
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Yeah, it s not for you.
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I don t do watermelon and spades.
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I never learned how to play.
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You can stay off of that, but get with spades.
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Spades is... Look at you telling me how to be black.
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Yes, listen.
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You gotta learn how to play spades, bro.
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You know metal world peace?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so he s super into spades.
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I ve had him over to play spades and he plays in Wade s spades tournament, which is Dwayne Wade s tournament,
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Besides being best friends with Jay-Z, which is top of the list, playing in Wade s spades is really up there.
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Wade s spades.
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Wade s spades.
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He has a whole thing.
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It s really cool.
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I like to bow.
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Oh, you do?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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I m terrible at it, but I ll do it with you.
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All right.
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All right.
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Okay.
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We re tall, so we look good when we can bow.
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Elegant.
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That good, tall, elegant posture.
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Yeah, the long arm just cascading out.
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I think you should definitely come over and we ll teach you spades.
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Yeah.
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Do you have a girlfriend?
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Yeah.
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How long have you been together?
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Four years.
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Oh, perfect.
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She s invited.
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So it s spades night.
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We ll have to teach you, I guess, which would be ironic.
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You gotta teach me, but then we gotta be on teams, because I ll feel bad if I whoop y all ass.
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Okay, fair.
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Fair, fair, fair.
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I doubt you will feel bad, but we ll see.
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Nah, because I will, because I m going to be wanting to talk shit, and I ain t going to be able to talk shit the way I want to, but if we on the same squad,
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Then I could talk shit.
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Boys versus girls.
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This is a very common vibe.
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BVG.
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We ll figure it out.
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But I gotta learn first.
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And then we ll beat somebody s ass and talk shit.
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All right.
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Can t wait.
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Detroit and Pittsburgh.
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Let s go.
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Wiz, so much fun.
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Good luck on everything.
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Can t wait for your album to come out so that you ll go on tour so that we can see you.
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Next year.
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Next year.
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Yep.
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But we ll link up before that.
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All right.
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Perfect.
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Thanks.
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Be well.
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Yes, sir.
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Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.
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Well, well, well, another day.
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Another day in paradise.
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Okay.
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All right.
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This is BTS.
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Behind the scenes.
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We recorded this yesterday.
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We sure did.
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We normally don t do a turnaround like this.
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And it was a very late one for us.
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It was, it started at three.
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And yeah, it was late for us.
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It was pitch black, dark by the time we left because of climate change.
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Yeah, it felt like we should almost have dinner with our guests afterwards, like it was evening.
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Yeah, I don t like leaving here in the dark.
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No, it s not for you.
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So I only have edited half the show.
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Okay.
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So I don t have all the facts, but I think I have- Enough facts.
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The most of the facts.
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You think there were not many facts in the second half?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Okay, so we had Wiz yesterday.
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Yeah, yeah, so we had Wiz, and you guys are the same age.
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Wow.
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Ooh, I m old.
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15 days apart.
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Yeah, I know.
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It s starting to get more common.
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Well, not with common.
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Now with Common, he s still older than you.
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I know, I know it is.
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Does it bother you?
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I hated, for whatever reason, my issue was athletes.
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Do you have this, Rob?
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Yeah, when there s like 18 year old hockey players that are leading the league.
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Yeah, you just like you grow up looking at sports stars, basketball players, hockey players, whatever.
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And then you get to an age where you re like, oh, I m the same age as all these people.
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That s weird.
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And then you re dramatically older.
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That s rough.
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And then you still have the coaches.
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The coaches are older than you.
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But I am now at the age where at least half the coaches in the NFL are younger than me.
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Yeah.
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It s just interesting the different road markers we use to evaluate our own age.
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Yeah.
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And I would imagine it couldn t go without you recognizing that over these last six years, it went from virtually 100% of the guests were older than you to now like five, 6% are younger than you.
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I guess actors is one thing, like we re gonna have young actors on, we have.
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It s the experts, when the experts are younger, it feels a little interesting.
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That s more rare, though.
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Yeah, it is.
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We ve had only, I think, a handful of that.
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Yeah, but that feels a little scary.
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Yeah, but to me, I just am like, oh, they re...
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It s also weird.
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I m used to experts and professors being older than me, so it sounds like wisdom coming from them.
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But increasingly, we re interviewing experts in a field, and they re younger than me.
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So that s its own weird, I m listening to someone that s been around less time than me explain something to me that I don t understand.
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It s just a curious thing.
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For some reason, that s a lot more palatable coming from someone older than you.
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That s interesting, yeah.
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Even spiritually, when we had Rami Youssef on, and I m like, oh, this dude s kind of a couple steps ahead of me, like spiritually and wisdom-wise.
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That s funny.
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That s weird.
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Yeah, I don t.
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You don t think of things in this way.
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I don t.
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I don t.
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Everyone s just different.
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Like, Rami is specific.
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That s his view on the world.
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I don t think that has anything to do with his age.
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Like, there are plenty of people who are much older than you or I who
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don t have that kind of wisdom or thought.
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It s just different people, different strokes for different folks.
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Yeah, maybe it s just evidence of my own arrogance in that I think, like, I was going as quickly as you could assemble this, especially with the AA and the therapy and all this stuff.
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I m thinking, like, how could someone, like, I ve been working hard at it for 20 years, and to meet a kid that s 30, that s, like, deeper into it all is really wild.
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I mean, it might be because of your history of not feeling smart.
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Sure.
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because I don t care if someone s smarter than me.
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And there are so many people who are smarter than me.
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It doesn t make me not smart.
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Right.
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It s not an original wound.
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It s not.
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I have so many OWs, but that is not one.
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O-dubs.
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Which is kind of funny, I wonder why I don t have that because I would get in so many fights with my dad about school when I was young.
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But I never processed it as stupidity.
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It s great, you got away with one.
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Well, he was mainly like, you just make tons of careless mistakes.
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So he was always sort of saying you re so smart and so why are you making- But you re not conscientious enough.
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Yeah.
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Do you have, is that a trigger if people don t think you re being conscientious?
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Like the woman saying you didn t wipe the baby s butt good enough?
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That is not, stop.
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That is not true.
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Great, but it can be not true and it wouldn t bother you.
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Of course it would bother me that I like fucked up.
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Being accused of something you didn t do.
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No, no.
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Yes, that I hate.
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That s a big trigger.
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But also, no, that I would have fucked up something for Delta.
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Caring for her.
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Right.
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That is not acceptable.
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That s like you with the baby carriage turning over.
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And she s wrong.
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Surely, but because I m beyond reproach in the situation, I m not being evaluated.
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I m not there working in any capacity.
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So I know I love Delta as much as a human can love Delta.
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So if I, in cleaning her ass one time, missed some poop and someone else discovered it, I would go,
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Wow, I guess I missed it, but it s through no lack of conscientiousness.
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Like, I love her so much.
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I just made a human mistake.
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Yeah, but maybe this is a trigger only here.
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With you.
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Okay.
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I am extremely meticulous about my work.
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Yeah.
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That was my work at the time.
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Right.
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So there s absolutely, I just, I know there s absolutely no way, I wasn t over cleaning her butt every time and using like so many wipes and making sure it was perfect.
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But she had a lot of folds.
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No, I got in there.
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Okay, so for you, there s no possibility, not even 1%, that you missed a little tiny piece of pootie.
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Correct.
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Okay, well then, yeah.
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Also, didn t she say I was doing that?
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Like, she said it was something I did multiple times.
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No, it was just she had noticed that there was some pootie on the bed.
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She wanted me to tell whoever s cleaning Delta is about to do a more thorough job.
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Right.
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So that must have been probably originally trying to shame me.
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But I was like, well, I didn t even.
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I just wish we could call her.
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Yeah.
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Cause I just know.
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And I, I know myself in that situation specifically with you guys and, and it was early, early days.
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I know there was no, I know there s no way.
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Yeah.
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I really do.
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It s a fun thing to revisit occasionally because it means so much to you and it doesn t mean anything to me.
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So it s just one of those funny things, you know,
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Because she was so small.
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I know, but so much folds.
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I know.
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Reminds me of, does remind me of my favorite Delta story, which is.
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You had, she had diarrhea?
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Yeah.
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That came up recently.
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Did it?
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Yeah.
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Should I retell it?
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No, because you just told it.
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Oh, I did.
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Should I do it again?
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I can tell that story once a day.
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I know.
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Daddy, I fought it.
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Okay.
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The way she said, I fought it.
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I fought it.
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His diary is so happy.
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It was everywhere.
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Oh my God.
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Anyway.
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I m asking, I can imagine you feeling many different ways about it, but are you gonna be talking about dating or no?
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Because it puts the other person in an awkward situation.
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I don t think so.
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Yeah, I think that s fair.
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I think, I d feel weird if when I went on a date with someone, I knew that they were gonna report it to the world.
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Yeah, I don t know that it s fair to, yeah.
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Which is tricky because it s gonna be a big part of your life and stuff we need to talk about.
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Look, things will come up and I will say, without giving detail, I think, we talked about it a little bit on Sync this upcoming week, I think.
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I give an update and then I m just going to see.
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I ll report if I want to report.
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When you re married.
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Yeah, I ll report when I m married.
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Just to update, I got married on Wednesday.
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You guys should know I ve been dating someone for two years and I was married.
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Now I m comfortable telling you.
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Well, that s kind of what happened with Alice and Roman.
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Yeah, she kept it on the... All of a sudden she s married.
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QT.
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Oh, I know, she s married.
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I d love to be her.
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Oh, congratulations, Alison Roman.
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Yeah, I love her life.
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I love my life too, but.
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You really wouldn t want anyone else s life, right?
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We re past that.
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No, no.
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When you re a kid, you do this, right?
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Like when I was a kid, there was a bunch of people s life I wanted.
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Sure.
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I don t want anyone else s life now.
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That was a joke.
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Oh God.
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I don t want your life.
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Can you identify where that s from?
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Wait, that s from, yes.
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I don t want your life.
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Yeah, that s Forrest Gump.
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No, our city blues.
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Oh, wow.
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Tommy Lee Jones?
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No, the- James Van Der Beek?
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The Beak.
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I don t want your life.
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He said that?
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Yeah, it s a very interesting delivery.
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It s kind of famous.
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I thought for sure you d get that.
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I thought it was Tom Hanks, Forrest Gump.
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No, he talks like this.
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Sorry for ruining your Black Panther party.
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Oh my god.
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Mollica.
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Stop.
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Stop.
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Mollica.
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Ew.
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Ew.
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Mollica.
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Stop saying it.
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Well, you opened the door.
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Does he say that?
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No, I m now, I m just, now I m trying to improv with you.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I m going rogue.
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SPEAKER_00
What people don t know is you are now shielding your face with your hands while you do accents and impressions.
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Yes, you can t see my face.
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To minimize how vomitous it is for you.
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SPEAKER_00
I almost just brought us into a bad game.
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I was gonna say, okay, why don t we play that game, Heads Up, and it s accents and impressions.
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Oh, I love that.
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I know, but you ll probably get in trouble.
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I will?
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Probably.
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Why?
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Do you think I ll do a Chinese accent or something?
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If that s on, you wanna try it?
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Well, I won t.
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I ll do another one.
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Skip it if it s gonna get you in trouble.
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Okay, ready?
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Right.
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This is fun.
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SPEAKER_00
We love games.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, ready?
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Get ready, here we go.
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Two, one.
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Like gag me with a spin.
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Valley.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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French.
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How do you say... Oh, Spanish.
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I think I m scared.
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Oh, Godfather, Mob.
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Mafia, Godfather.
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Al Pacino.
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Uh-oh.
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Sonny, come here.
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Send Clemenza down.
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Tell Johnny he wants to direct a movie.
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It s not Godfather?
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Martin Scorsese.
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Marlon Brando.
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Oh!
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Oh, shit.
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Yeah, I didn t get it.
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Okay.
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Elvis.
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This is a cheat.
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Welcome to Cape Town.
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Boston.
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No, South Africa.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Scrooge.
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Duck.
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Scrooge McDuck.
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Donald Duck.
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Donald D. Chairman.
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Time s up.
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Oh, wow.
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I m sorry about that South African.
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That s okay.
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I m sorry for the audience, I mean, not for you.
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Oh, that they had to hear my South African accent?
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And then I said Boston.
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Oh, well, so really sorry to Bostonians.
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No, to South Africans, I didn t put Cape Town together.
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Oh, right, you were thinking of the Cape.
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I was.
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Yeah, that s fair.
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Oh, that was great.
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That was really fun.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, by the way, I have an update for you.
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New game?
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So as our duties have increased with the many different shows, I have found that reading all the ads has become a little laborious and a lot of work.
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So I have been auditioning people to read some of the spots.
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And I think I have found somebody I want to start reading spots with your approval.
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And his name is Joe Gillette, and I had him do some spots.
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And I think he probably could just pick up right where I ve left off.
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But of course, I need your blessings.
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So I had them record some and then I just wanted to hear if you think they re up to par.
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Okay.
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We have Joe Gillette here.
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Take one.
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McDonald s Joe Gillette.
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Take one.
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McDonald s.
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Hey, Hey, everyone knows that when you re out there, Hey, everyone knows when you re out there on,
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When you need somewhere to think quick and nice and everything, and when you have to have what you want, everyone knows McDonald s is that.
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McChickens, McNuggets, McFlurries, everything.
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When you see those golden arches, you know one thing, you know one thing s for sure.
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Yeah, you know one thing s for sure, McDonald s.
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It s pretty good.
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Do you think that s pretty good?
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Yeah.
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I did.
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You wanna hear another couple reads?
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Sure.
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Let s hear more.
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Yeah, okay.
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We have George Lett in.
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This is his first take for Squarespace.
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This is his first take for Squarespace.
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Hey, has anyone ever said to you, I have a question for you, are you online?
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And you say, well, yeah, maybe, hey, have you ever heard of a, hey, have you ever even seen a website before?
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Squarespace, where everything that you, if you need something that says, hey, come to this website, everyone is visiting this website at Squarespace, everything you need for your job, for your life, for your, everyone to visit, make sure that when they visit you, it s at squarespace.com.
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I think that they would be really happy with that.
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I think so.
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I m gonna play one more for you, okay?
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Got Joe Gillette here doing a take one of Athletic Greens.
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I d like to start my day like pretty much everyone else, eating an entire bowl of macaroni and cheese and drinking three Cokes.
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My doctor said, that s not gonna be okay for me anymore.
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SPEAKER_00
Have you ever heard of taking any vitamins?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I said, yeah, if they re gummies.
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He said, no, would you ever wanna have every single vegetable in two gulps?
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Athletic Greens.
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It s a good spot.
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I think that s a great spot.
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SPEAKER_04
So sure, let s have him read the ads.
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SPEAKER_04
So Joe is Jackie s boyfriend.
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Jackie s boyfriend, yeah, yeah, he s a comedian.
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He s a comedian, he s Jackie.
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And somehow.
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Jackie tone.
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Some, this all started with him reading a Mercedes-Benz spot.
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Like on Instagram or something?
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No, I think Jackie was reading one and she read it for Kristen, and then he read it as a joke of him auditioning for it, and then it became this kind of skill that we discovered he has of doing really bad reads.
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Okay.
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So occasionally I ll get a really fun read from Joe.
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That s fun.
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Yeah.
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So, okay, couple facts.
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Yes, yes.
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Couple facts.
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By the way, I did finish the first set of couples therapy from season three last night and started to meet new people.
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And, um, I just delighted that they are allowed within their arsenal of tools to recommend they split up.
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I was very relieved to see that.
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Cause cause part of me is like, well, I m not saying who.
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SPEAKER_04
Right.
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Yeah, it really could be anybody.
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Yeah.
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Cause part of me, I guess whatever skeptical side of me or cynical side of me is like, if they can t advise people that they shouldn t be together, is it really a service?
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Is it truly a service if they can t make that call?
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Now I understand it s very dicey to make that call and tell people they shouldn t be together because who are you to know?
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But some people need to be told that for sure.
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I mean, I think she does it in a great way where she s just like laying out some options at the end.
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And so she s not saying, I don t think you guys should be together.
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She had been in a session with her own advisor saying she wants them to break up and wanting to lay out how they could do that, which I was a big relief to me.
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Like these people needed to be spared each other.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So have you met everyone new?
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Like one episode?
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There s the teaser where she s saying to somebody, I am not the therapist for you.
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I can t wait to see that moment.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, you re not there yet.
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No.
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Have you gone back and tried to figure out how you re seeing what you re seeing on couples therapy?
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I m seeing what I m seeing.
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They re shooting both directions.
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SPEAKER_01
They re shooting the therapist, and then they re also shooting the patients.
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SPEAKER_01
And there s raking shots.
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SPEAKER_01
There s a tracking shot from behind that goes to our therapist.
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SPEAKER_01
And then they re shooting, obviously, over the therapist s shoulders onto them.
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Where are all the cameras?
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SPEAKER_04
Right.
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SPEAKER_01
So I think I figured out that those panels that are in all of the bookshelves, there s bookshelves everywhere and the bottom one s always empty and there s two balls that sit on all of them.
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SPEAKER_01
And I think, well then I looked up that they have one way mirror that they re filming behind.
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But then I think digitally they put this fabric over the one way mirror.
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Cool.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, so I got really kind of distracted by figuring out how they re actually shooting this because they re not making them redo it.
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No.
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It s real.
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Yeah.
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But they have like seven camera angles and they re 360 around the room.
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So you should see cameras in everyone else s shot, but you don t.
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And so I think they designed the set to have these bookshelves everywhere.
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That s cool.
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And those all have mirrors in them.
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And then I think in post they cover the mirrors with.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah.
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It s interesting.
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I m amazed that people do the show, and I m so happy they do.
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SPEAKER_01
Me too.
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SPEAKER_01
I kind of want to thank everybody that s participated in that show.
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SPEAKER_01
Me too.
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Yeah.
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It s so fucking brave.
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SPEAKER_04
It s so brave, and it s hard to come across well.
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SPEAKER_04
Yes.
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SPEAKER_04
Everyone sort of comes across poorly because it s your- It s the real you.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, and in crisis.
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Yeah, and the real relationship.
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So, it s great.
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SPEAKER_04
I love it.
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SPEAKER_04
I love it too, it s all I can talk about.
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SPEAKER_01
Me too.
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SPEAKER_04
I was gonna say I wasn t gonna talk about my dates.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, but?
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SPEAKER_04
But I have a date coming up and I asked this person if they watched Couples Therapy.
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SPEAKER_01
Right, so you d have something to talk about.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, and did they?
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SPEAKER_04
No.
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But they ll start?
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They heard it s great.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, maybe they ll have started before tonight.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, I kinda wanted to say that.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, you were looking for that, yeah.
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Okay, Wiz s aunt, Auntie Tickles.
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Auntie Tickles.
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I looked up the doll.
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SPEAKER_01
It s hard to know what s gonna be, oh, you looked up the doll, okay, all right.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, Kathy B. Tickles doll by Kathy Berry Hippensteel.
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SPEAKER_04
Oh.
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You can get it on.
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I wonder if I ll recognize Tickles.
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It s a baby.
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It looks scary from here.
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It does.
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And Tickles is white.
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SPEAKER_04
Tickles is white porcelain.
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Yeah.
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And has a odd face.
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Not to be sacrum, but listen, the fact that black little girls have to play with white babies.
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I know.
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Because they just didn t make any.
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I know.
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It s such a bummer.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, it is.
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SPEAKER_04
She s holding some sort of
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Is she tickling somebody?
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SPEAKER_04
Maybe, maybe she uses that to tickle.
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SPEAKER_01
Is she ticklish or does she tickle everyone?
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I think she tickles.
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Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_04
Oh, but she does have a face that she s laughing.
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SPEAKER_04
So maybe she is getting tickled.
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SPEAKER_04
But what s in her hand?
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It looks like a fluffy fluff.
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That s the feather she uses to tickle your feet.
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Exactly.
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It might be.
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I love that her name was auntie tickles.
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Okay.
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But that makes me think of one of the first moments it started.
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What started?
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Me admitting that I felt so white around Snoop.
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And I don t generally feel that way, but I also felt that way around Wiz.
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Yeah.
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this is one of the first places it started.
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So he says auntie tickles.
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And now I ve got to ask him, but I don t say aunt.
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So now I m like, do I say it how he said it, which is mimicking it?
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SPEAKER_01
Right, I got to say it how I say it.
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But in those little micro moments where I m like, see, now this sounds white, because I m going to say auntie tickles.
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Yeah, because guess what?
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Because that s what I say.
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You re white.
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I know.
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I know.
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Do you know?
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That s a fair question.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, it s great.
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SPEAKER_01
It s so embarrassing in the best way.
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SPEAKER_01
Like when it was all over, I was like, oh my God, I m so embarrassed.
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SPEAKER_01
I m so embarrassed.
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SPEAKER_04
I got so embarrassed.
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SPEAKER_01
But then it s kind of like the popcorn and me falling in the movie theater.
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SPEAKER_01
Like by the time I was going to bed, I was like, yeah, that s what happens.
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SPEAKER_04
It s who,
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SPEAKER_04
We can t be people we aren t, and also you can t be, because then you look bad.
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SPEAKER_04
You look like you re trying to put on some appropriate, I don t know, it s just all you can do is come to the table as you.
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SPEAKER_04
Apparently, tickles is a rare find.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh my gosh, another collectible.
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SPEAKER_04
So I might have to buy it.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, see if you can get a shit-stained one so it ll match your.
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SPEAKER_04
Liberty.
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SPEAKER_04
Liberty.
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SPEAKER_04
Okay, we talked about the box.
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SPEAKER_01
I just figured out that s Liberty.
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SPEAKER_01
Liberty.
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SPEAKER_01
You did not just figure that out.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, just now, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Just figured that out.
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SPEAKER_04
Yes, that s the whole funny thing.
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SPEAKER_01
Uh-huh, Liberty.
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Yeah.
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But I was thinking like French tea
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T-shirt.
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La-bear-tea.
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Right, that could also be a thing, but obviously it s Liberty.
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Because he s a small bear.
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Doesn t wear French t-shirts.
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Okay, we talked about the box, which was really exciting.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, you guys had that in common.
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I loved the box.
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SPEAKER_02
I was outside in the cold watching you guys by the warm fire giggling, sip your hot cocoa.
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Neither of you are white.
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SPEAKER_02
That really upset you.
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Bonding in a way I ll never be able to bond.
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Yeah, right, all of my white friends watch the box.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay, now it made me wonder what are the top music videos of all time?
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_01
I have a list.
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Oh, great.
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Okay, it s from the AV Club, there s like 50.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, let s read the top 10 maybe?
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Yeah.
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Number one, you wanna guess?
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Yeah.
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It ll be hard, this is hard.
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I feel like it s Thriller or Beat It.
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Wow.
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You re gonna.
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Yep, I m gonna probably not believe.
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You re gonna disagree.
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Yeah, shocker.
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What s number one?
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Peter Gabriel s sledgehammer.
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1986.
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Can I just ask without ruffling any feathers?
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Do they say what the metrics they re using are?
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How are they determining this?
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I don t know.
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It s just what they think is the most important.
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The A.V.
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Club is a big, no, it s a big entertainment magazine.
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SPEAKER_02
They re tech nerds, they know how to measure things.
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But wouldn t it be reassuring to go like the most viewed video of all time and they had some data.
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Why don t you just read something?
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Okay, great.
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Like the song itself, the video for Peter Gabriel s Sledgehammer makes no attempt to disguise its sexual metaphor.
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The clip opens with an extreme closeup of sperm.
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Although that is the last time Sledgehammer gets explicitly biological, the video riffs upon Gabriel s lyrical imagery of trains and cars, all through a series of stop motion animation.
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No single team of animators are responsible for the finished product, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Okay.
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All right, wait.
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Addicted to love.
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You think that s on the list?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Go on ahead and face it, you re addicted to love.
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Do you want me to make the sperm noise again?
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No.
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Say sperm.
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No.
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No, we heard.
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Will you say all of them?
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No, that s even worse.
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Number two, Madonna, Vogue.
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Oh.
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God, what is wrong with you?
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Number three is Michael Jackson, Thriller.
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Oh.
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SPEAKER_02
I just reached out to a teacher I saw on an internet.
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On an internet.
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nine month pregnant teacher leading the thriller dance in the hallway with like 30 students and she rips it.
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She s so fucking good.
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SPEAKER_00
Really?
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SPEAKER_02
Yes, I went to her page and had to tell her how much I enjoyed it.
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I watched it like six times.
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I was gonna weld up a bit.
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Do cry.
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Yep, you got it.
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Bingo.
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Well, for a lot of reasons.
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Pregnant, about to bring life into the world, being so comfortable in her own skin.
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Yeah, a model of how to live out loud in front of these kids.
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Yeah, that s beautiful.
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And she s just slaying it.
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Yeah.
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Four is Beastie Boys  Sabotage.
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Oh, sure.
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Directed by the great Spike Jones.
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Spikey Jones.
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Five, Take On Me.
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Take it on me, take it on me.
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I know that one.
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I ll be gone.
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Okay, number six, Duran Duran, Hungry Like the Wolf.
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Hungry Like the Wolf, total wolf.
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Oh, you re gonna like this one.
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Okay.
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Seven is Sinead O Connor, Nothing Compares to You.
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Sure.
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Yeah, that s classic, I know that one.
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Oh God, I can t believe this one isn t higher up.
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See, because part of this is like age, right?
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Age appropriate.
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Yes, of course.
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And adjusting for inflation and all of that.
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Worldwide box office versus domestic.
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And when there was MTV versus the box versus like when you had access to these videos.
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Yeah, what was the name of the second format for watching videos?
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The box.
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Oh.
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Okay, eight is single ladies.
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All the single ladies, all the single ladies.
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For in my gen, that s number one.
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That s number one, yeah.
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Okay, nine, addicted to love.
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Miles will face.
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And then 10, common people by pulp.
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No, never even heard of.
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Just cause you haven t heard of it.
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You know what I m surprised?
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Oh, 11 is Baby One More Time.
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That s huge.
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That was huge for my jam.
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What was 10?
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It s right here.
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Oh, you wanna play it?
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She came from Greece, she had refused for no lunch.
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She studied sculpture at St.
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Martin s College, that s why.
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No, I stand by my objection.
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One got in there on accident.
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Just because you don t know the song doesn t mean the video wasn t big for its time.
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It s just hard to imagine how that would have escaped.
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It doesn t matter, continue.
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It was from 95.
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That s when I moved here.
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Maybe that s why I missed it.
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You were busy.
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I was busy moving and reestablishing myself in Santa Barbara, California, and very confused about it.
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It wasn t big in the Santa Barbara scene.
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No, probably not.
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That s why.
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It was much more gin and juice and doggy style.
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Anyway, okay, that s top 10, but I m scrolling through and these are good.
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These are good.
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These are really good.
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Okay, back to my self-consciousness about my whiteness.
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I even told him a few stories that I ve told 2,000 times.
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And in the middle of them, I was like, I ve lost all confidence in this story.
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Oh, like well-worn stories.
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I was like reading his face.
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He also had sunglasses on the whole time, so that made it, that was double hard for me to read him.
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It was hard.
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Yeah, it was really hard.
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Yeah, it was an extra challenge.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and I was like, oh my God, you re not gonna be able to pull this story off as you re.
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He didn t wanna hear you.
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Go ahead, don t even choose your words gently.
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No, he didn t.
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He didn t want to hear you trying to prove yourself.
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And so when stories were starting to happen like that, I could feel that he doesn t want this.
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You know, it s interesting, because I was the butt of all the jokes in the story.
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It s not about that.
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Yeah, he doesn t want to hear any of my stories.
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He didn t want you to tell stories about JC.
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You re right.
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He didn t come here to- That s like not what he wanted to hear.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That was one in particular that was a big lead to- I know.
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Yeah, I know.
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I really felt it.
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I know.
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I tried to tell you with my eyes.
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Don t do this.
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Don t do any more of this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was kind of the same reaction Jay-Z had for me, too.
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I just couldn t find purchase.
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I was like, I got to figure out somehow I got to get in.
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OK.
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Doc on the mixtape documentary.
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Oh, yes.
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It s just called Mixtape.
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Oh, OK.
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And you can watch it on Paramount Plus.
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Twenty twenty two came out last year.
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Oh, it s new.
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Yeah.
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Oh, gosh.
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I want to watch it.
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It has two chains.
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What s that mean?
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Two Chains is a rapper.
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Oh, I thought you were saying like somehow this score was out of five chains, and it only has two out of five chains.
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I m like, what website is using chains instead of stars?
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This is why, this is why this, we don t know stuff.
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Yes, and I was very honest about that.
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I came right in.
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I m like, what s the difference between a mixtape and an album?
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You know, he was mad at us for- Yeah, not knowing at the end.
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Yeah, for not understanding.
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I still didn t understand.
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I think when he yelled at me, I got it in a way that I hadn t previously.
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So maybe I did learn, but I did not understand how, what made sense to me is I went to the one mixtape and you can listen to it.
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And then I go to this, which was an album and I could listen to it.
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So I m like, Oh, I see the difference.
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I know.
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It is confusing.
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Yes.
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And it sounds identical to an album.
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It s like fully produced and sounds great.
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Yes, I m still a little bit confused.
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Okay, good.
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Can I play one song on here?
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Because it was the one I told them that I loved.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, do you just want to hear it?
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It s a good vibe.
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This doesn t sound like a mix tape, right?
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They re a fucking symphony orchestra.
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That s nice.
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I like this.
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I mean, how could I have not thought I was listening to an album?
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I agree.
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It sounds like an album.
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I thought he was so sexy.
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Did you think he was sexy?
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He is a quality.
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Very sexy.
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Yeah.
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That s the confidence, the- Mysteriousness.
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Comfort level, yes, the mysteriousness, the total unwillingness to- Go along with anything.
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Get anyone s approval.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He didn t care.
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Yeah.
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It was cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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In the cool clothes.
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Great Balenciaga boots.
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Those were Balenciaga boots.
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Balenciaga.
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Balenciagas with my agi-agis.
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That s Elizo.
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Sing the lyric?
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No.
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With my Ozzy Oggy s, with my Lindsay Oggy s.
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She does a fun word play with blunts.
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He says like blessy-essies or something like that.
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Yeah, she s got a cute thing she says about it.
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She does.
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But yeah, they were really cool, his boots.
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Yes.
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One other thing I was thinking about as I fell asleep is I really wish he didn t have those boots on though, because I really want to know if we re the same height.
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What his feet looked like?
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No, what his actual height was, because these were monstrous boots.
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They are, but I don t think the sole, like they re just big boots.
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The sole looked like it was like three inches thick.
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I don t think so.
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You don t.
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You are not on my side in this one.
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No, I am, I m just being truthful.
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Yeah, I know.
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I really think they were like three inches of rubber.
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Hey.
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Hey, you.
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I m always on your side.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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You had a lot of sole.
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We need to give the rascal a name that declares him as the pun, but we gotta come up with a name.
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Yeah.
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Like the pun something, the pundent.
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Oh, pundent.
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The pundent, our in-house pundent.
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A punny name?
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Yeah, punny.
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Punny, that s old.
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That s weak.
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No, I know, I m just saying the name needs to be pun.
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I think a resident pundent.
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Pundent s good.
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Yeah, pundent.
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That s a nice noise out there.
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Well, I think on that note, with the horrible noise, we shall say goodbye.
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One other interesting thing, I think, behind the scenes, which is interesting, is when we walked outside, it was a love fest, and we exchanged numbers, and we ve texted.
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You ve texted?
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Yes.
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Isn t that interesting?
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Yeah.
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It is interesting.
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It is.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What do you, you have a, yeah, you re a rascally.
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But not a pundit.
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Not a pundit.
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What is your take on that?
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I think, I think it s really sweet.
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Um,
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You are choosing your words so carefully.
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No, I m just saying, well, yeah, cause you re already feeling a little scared.
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You re already feeling a little exposed, tender.
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You re feeling tender and you re feeling like I am coming for you and I m not.
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And that s like, then it s scary for me when I think you re feeling it.
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You re teasing me lighthearted and I m making fun of myself.
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So we re on the same page.
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Cause I am always, I really am always on your team.
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I think it s really sweet and cute.
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You often get people s numbers and who come in.
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Not always, not always.
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Definitely not always.
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Like one in a hundred people I get their phone number.
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And I didn t even get his.
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He gave me his and asked me to call his phone, which I did.
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And then he sent me a text.
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I know, I m saying, but it was set up, we ll hang out, right?
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Like the spades, it s like set up in our thing.
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And I think, you know, I ve been thinking a lot about, well, Taylor.
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Always, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, if you re thinking, we know you re thinking about Taylor.
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And there is a connection here.
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At her Argentina show, which is her first show back after this little break, she changed a lyric to her song that included him.
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And it s everywhere.
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It is, it is.
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People are, are they positive or negative about it?
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Well, I think both, I think both.
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You see her kiss him, like she runs to him and he s outside the tent and everyone sees and everyone s freaking out.
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Oh my God, wow.
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But I was thinking, why is she choosing to include the whole world in- Such a new relationship.
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Such a new relationship.
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She s making the choice to bring everyone in, which I think is a hard thing to do in a new relationship is to invite the whole world to come along with you.
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I don t think it s a,
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PR stunt, and I think they re probably very happy.
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I really hope they are.
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I think they are.
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But there is a small part of me that watches all of this and feels like, oh my God, she is still the girl who thinks that she is the queen.
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she s on the bleachers, and she got the football star, and that feeling has not gone away for her, and she s a god, and she s still- It just proves- I know!
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That becoming objectively a god won t even make you feel that way, if you don t feel that way about yourself.
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You still feel like you felt when you were 11.
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Yes, and you always will, and here s the good news, you always will.
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It s actually,
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profound to see it in this extreme of a case.
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Yeah, that she feels like she got the guy and it is very
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To me, upsetting, because he got the girl.
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That s the narrative.
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That is what it should be.
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That s the reality and the truth.
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This football player got the biggest entity in the world.
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I m also glad, I guess, she can t see that.
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That s probably not good either.
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I want her to know she s so special.
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She can t see herself the way the world is seeing her.
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Right.
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And that bums me out.
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We re all stuck.
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Right, but what I would say about you, which is true, is you too wanted the football star.
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The boys you liked in high school were the football stars.
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I know you, and I knew the football stars.
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That would not be a good relationship for you.
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That s not actually who you like.
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Well, now.
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I don t know about then.
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Well, then you did like that person, but I think you liked the idea of that person.
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Sure.
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But it s also not so... Black and white?
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Yeah, it s not so black and white.
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I mean, you re right.
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Like I needed the validation so bad.
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Yes, and what interests you in life isn t the things that give people status in high school.
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I m only pointing out the paradox of what you liked and actually who you would have liked liked in a relationship.
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And those two things are not the same, in my opinion.
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That s true, except no, because Teddy was not that.
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He was a Charlie Day type.
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Oh, I like that.
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I know, and then he rejected me.
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Here we are.
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Anyway, okay, the reason I brought that up is because I m just really thinking about how we re still just older versions of our little selves.
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A thousand percent.
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And I do think you like getting approval from some people that you- I m a little brother.
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Wanted.
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Yeah, you are a little brother.
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I m a little brother.
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And it s really so sweet and so cute and hilarious to me.
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Yes, it s embarrassing.
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It s not embarrassing.
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No, sometimes it s embarrassing.
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It s okay if it is sometimes.
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I m just saying, I think it s hilarious being on this side and seeing how,
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So not a little brother you are in your life, but you are in your brain.
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Well, let s be specific about it, because it s very predictable when it s going to happen.
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The person has to have big brother something.
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Energy.
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Yes, it s like, I don t have it with everybody, but if like Kimmel triggers it, he s the same age as my brother and there s a similar thing.
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And then black dudes have always done it.
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Cause I grew up in Detroit and I m looking at these guys that I think personally are so much cooler than us white dudes.
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I know.
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The same way I looked at my brother going like, this person s so much cooler than me, I elevate immediately to like, I just can t achieve that level of cool.
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Effortless cool.
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People who you think are cool.
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Yes, then I go into little brother mode.
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You do.
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Yes.
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It s just very cute.
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It s just so funny that we can t, we can t see ourselves.
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I mean, we can.
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You know that about yourself and I know things about myself, but you don t know when you re in it.
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And also maybe we shouldn t.
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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It depends on what it is, I guess.
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Like there s all these roles you can play in life.
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One of them s little brother.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That s my role.
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If it weren t that role, it d be some other role.
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I don t know that I would pick one of the other ones, you know?
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So it s like, whatever we are.
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I m definitely not insinuating that you shouldn t do that.
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It s I,
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just think it s a funny pattern.
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It is, yes, yes.
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And we re all just doing the same thing.
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All right, so that was really fun.
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That was really fun.
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We both left going like, we have the luckiest, weirdest world.
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Yeah, weirdest life.
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We re sitting here watching Wiz smoke a doobie and tell us about all this stuff.
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I know, Wiz Khalifa, how in the world?
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It s really cool.
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Very lucky.
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Yeah, I had a tremendous amount of
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giddiness over the whole experience.
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And Thanksgiving s coming up this week, so.
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Ah, yes.
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We re grateful.
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Happy Thanksgiving.
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Happy Thanksgiving.
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We have an episode coming out on Thanksgiving.
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Yeah, so we ll do a gratitude list there.
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While you re cooking, yeah.
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We ll think of a gratitude list.
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Also, reminder that a yearbook is out.
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The first episode came out on Friday.
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Oh, right, three days ago.
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Three days ago, Friday.
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First two episodes, really, the one with me, you, and him, and then the first real episode, and then new episodes every Friday.
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Check it out.
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Check it out.
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Check it out.
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All right, love you.
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Love you.
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