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You think we re talking about Sandler, we re talking about Kenny Loggins.
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We re punchy, we re in a bunker.
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Dots?
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Somewhere.
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Dots anyone?
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We can t afford a window.
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What are you eating now, paper?
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These are dots guys.
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Jesus.
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Remember these?
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You were a kid?
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No, is that Sugar?
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Yeah, I only had one, that one.
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Kenny Loggins.
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Kenny Loggins.
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What a stud, dude.
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By the way, I saw Loggins, Messina, Day in the Green.
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What s that?
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Angry Eyes, remember that lick?
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I don t think I do.
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You don t?
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Anyway, this was a really fun podcast for me personally because I love music and I love musicians and Kenny Loggins can really, he s one, like in high school he wrote, he just sat down with a guitar, he s one of those savants, I mean somebody who just knew how to sing and play guitar.
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At a very early age, we really talk about his songwriting prowess and how he comes up with songs.
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I mean, he sat right here.
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Remember?
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He came over.
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He sat here.
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We had a blast.
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Looks the same.
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He s a stud.
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Talk about how super famous he got there.
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Stadiums and just, you know, he s obviously
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such a big songwriter, Loggins and Messina, just Kenny Loggins.
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Hit songs and hit movies.
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Soundtracks.
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That was big, big money.
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Yeah, I mean, Footloose, I mean, come on.
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And many, many others.
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I mean, his song in, what s the title?
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Top Gun.
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Top Gun, that they wanted, he wanted to redo it.
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And they said, no, we want the exact same song.
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Oh, we had a big controversy because A.I.
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sang him Fruit Loops parody of,
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of Footloose.
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And I couldn t remember the goddamn comedian that did it, but I was doing the other comedian s bit, but singing it to Kenny Loggins was a blast.
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And he hadn t heard it and he thought it was funny.
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And then on Top Gun, I always thought until the day I saw him, it was, I went to the danger zone and it s highway.
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And we get in a big argument because I said, there s not a highway in the sky.
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I don t even understand what you re talking about.
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Highway to the danger zone?
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Highway to the danger zone.
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I said, that makes no sense.
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That song shouldn t have worked.
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So we fought about that and got very tense.
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I know.
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And look, was it going to get physical?
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I never thought it went to that level.
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He stood up.
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We cut tape.
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You don t need to know this stuff.
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This is behind the scenes.
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Anyway, by the end we were friends, but put it this way, Kenny Loggins is one of those people in the last long time, maybe 50 years, has been a huge part of American music.
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You don t even realize how much he s done.
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Yeah, wall-to-wall hits.
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And he s still out there touring.
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He looks great.
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I mean, he s Kenny Loggins.
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He s a rock star.
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So I found this really, really interesting.
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Cue to the audience.
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It was great and it made me realize how boring I was because what I was hearing about is this and he was playing the Hollywood Bowl right after that we couldn t go and But anyway, he was we couldn t find it.
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I drove over there and I went around around I couldn t find the Hollywood Bowl.
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I just started rolled down my window I d get a
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Kenneth sometimes he answers the camera and toward the end.
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He handed you a ukulele and you played a beautiful I said love the world Paper cup.
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Hey, guess what?
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What song does that go paper cup?
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That s called paper cup.
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No Danny song Danny song and even though I don t have money I m so in love now, you know, I m a comedian Jesus.
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Guess what newsflash we don t we can cut this and
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What was the first big badass song globally?
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We re talking about the 19th century.
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Yeah.
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That was like heavy metal in those days.
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Oh, that s the only clue.
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Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream.
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I m not kidding.
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This was a heavy metal, huge global hit.
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Gently, gently, gently.
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Yeah.
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Life is but a dream.
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Very edgy.
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That was like Metallica in 1860.
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Stop, I don t wanna hear it.
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Let s look at a clip.
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Okay, anyway Now that s the only one we might actually cut no, I m kidding.
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No, I just need a second.
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You gotta take that any Yeah, yeah, we just did the thing.
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No, no spades cool with you.
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It s fine.
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We talked about danger zone.
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I was doing something All right next time here at the ball hit me up.
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Okay, buddy
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All right, let s throw to it.
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That was your mom.
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People smile and tell me I m the lucky one.
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That s a great song.
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You know that song, Heather?
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And even though we ain t got money, I m so lonely all night.
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Didn t we sing that to his face?
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Did he write that or not?
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Oh, he wrote it.
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Someone else did it.
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Oh, he wrote it, all right.
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He lived it, motherfucker.
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Here s how this one goes.
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I go, give me a little, and he s like, God damn.
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That s the beginning.
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We did a corporate gig too.
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People smile and tell me I m a lucky one.
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Life s just begun.
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I think I m going to have a son.
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He will be like you and me, as free as a dove.
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This is the hard part.
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Conceived in love, sun is gonna shine above.
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Here s the hard part.
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Even though we ain t got money.
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Oh my God, he s good.
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What the fuck?
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I m so in love with your honey from evening to evening.
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Hello, head of A&M.
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I ll call you later, A&M Records.
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I think I have someone you might wanna meet.
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They ran out of film about an hour ago.
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All right, that s good.
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Oh.
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Can t wait to get to this grilling.
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Okay.
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I want to start with that song parody thing.
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No, I want, I want.
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I want to say one thing.
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Yeah.
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You re on though, so you re on.
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I finally saw, it was about a year ago, I saw your audition reel for Saturday Night Live.
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Oh, I haven t even seen it.
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That tape is fantastic.
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Thank you.
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It was a tape when I saw it.
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By the way, how have we not seen these for this whole time?
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I ve never seen it.
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They re coming out with so many things that I ve never seen in my life.
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Rehearsals.
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It s on YouTube.
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Well, anything they tape, they can sell.
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I mean, I guess back then, but they held it for so long because I just saw a video, a rough video, Dana, of Thursdays doing promos.
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You know, they do a promo with you.
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You would be in it.
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Oh, they keep releasing them.
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And you do it with the host, the music, and then maybe one of the cast members.
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And I would write those.
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That was sort of my jury duty when I got there.
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And so you get to meet people like you and the host.
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And so it was me, Lorne s up there sort of monitoring.
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The first Lorne impression came early.
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And then...
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And then it was Emilio Estevez was the host, Pearl Jam was the band.
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And so I m explaining how to, you know, this is what you say is what you say.
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And then I step back.
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They don t just show the promo, step back and watch and Lauren watches.
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They try it and then they go cut, but still rolls and they go.
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When you say they tried, you mean not the actual actors?
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No, the actual actors are really taping it to record it.
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Oh, okay.
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Take after take.
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It had to be exactly 30 seconds.
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No, no, it had to be like- What?
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Like nine.
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Yeah, it was very hard.
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Oh, the really fast ones.
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You had to put the host, the music name,
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And then you had to do a joke.
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Hi, I m Milo Estevez.
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So that s online.
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And this is, I m hosting with Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam.
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And then we have four seconds for a joke.
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And so I had to write like 12 of those jokes every week for a host.
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That s quite an exercise.
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Yeah, did you do promos when you were there?
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You had to do that on Thursday, probably.
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No, back when I did it, we didn t do promos.
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Oh, for real?
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The Musical Act didn t do that.
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Who was your host?
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Do you remember?
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You don t have to.
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Kenny, not one bit of research from 1982.
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I m gonna guess the host was, I don t know, Mary Taylor Moore?
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No, not that far back.
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82, I was graduating high school.
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82, you were doing- I was graduating Saguaro High School in Arizona.
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But that was right in the pocket of me loving SNL, for sure.
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Yeah, me too.
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Because high school is like- Me too.
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People think that when I do those movies, then, you know, do you hang out with Bill Murray and do you- Oh, right.
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And all that with like- Right, are you on the set all day?
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Yeah, yeah.
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You never meet, the music s the last thing they do.
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You never meet, the actors are on to their next, or next, next movie.
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The band is always the badass.
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I mean, look, if we were talented like you, I would have gone into music.
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We all wanted to do what you did.
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Jealous of singers.
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This was our fallback.
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I was in a little band.
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I had a Hardy Boys book was my snare, and I would kick a little hamper, and my brother had a one-string guitar.
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How old were you when you did it?
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I was two and a half.
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No, I was like seven or eight, but rock stars.
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But what I wanted to ask you, I just had a flight of fancy because of this song, Danny s song, which is really super iconic.
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Even if you haven t heard it in a while, it s like the chorus, like, even though we ain t got money,
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I m still in love with you, honey.
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Do you think that still rings true to you?
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You just reminded me, I did Gilbert Gottfried s show.
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You did?
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About two years ago.
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Oh.
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And we sang Danny s song together.
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Oh, really?
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Did he change the lyrics?
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Oh my God.
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It was so funny.
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But it s very romantic and very youthful.
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Cause you know, in modern society, it s like, even though you re out of cash, I m leaving real fast.
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But that s that young youthful.
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You were kind of in high school.
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Instagram followers.
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I m still in high school.
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Senior in high school.
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You sat down with a guitar.
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Yeah, my brother wrote me a letter about having a baby and pooping.
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And so that s why it s called Danny s Song, because it was taken from Danny s letter.
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Some of the lines in the song are actually personal.
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I know one of them.
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But what was your first chord?
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Pisces Virgo Rising was a very good sign.
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It was a very good sign, strong and kind.
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But the melody, I mean, how do you, do you start with a G?
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You know the album version, see, that never made the single version.
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Geez.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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He researched it.
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Oh, really?
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That s such a great line.
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Yeah.
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I don t know why.
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And never got high, right?
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They weren t going to play that on the radio.
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Never got, oh, boy, I was a lucky guy.
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Is that what you re saying?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Boy, I was a sorry guy?
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What was it?
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No, boy, I was a sorry guy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because that song was a tearjerker.
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Well, people adopted it, you know?
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Wow, it s unreal.
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It s hard to get a hook like that.
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The funniest part for me is playing benefit concerts where it s, you know, $10,000 a plate and they re singing, you know, even though we ain t got money.
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All the audience is singing.
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Was there ever a time you didn t have money?
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Even though we re trying to recall... I was in a Catholic church once, and the priest was going, we, you know, in the name of the Lord, we all need money, and the whole church was there.
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And then I saw Jeff Bezos going up and getting communion, and I thought, well, this guy could help out.
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Maybe he did buy the church.
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He buys everything you can see.
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Anyway, but that song is amazing.
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Cause I m always fascinated by someone who can come up with a hook, a melodic hook like that.
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You re just drumming.
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And then that comes to you, right?
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Some people are better at it than others.
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Well, you re kind of one of the best.
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It s just the thing that was there right from the very beginning.
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You had it.
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That I knew what a hook was.
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And what was your guitar?
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I m sorry, this is maybe too technical.
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We don t really need it.
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We don t need it at all.
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Take it over, I can see.
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Because you talk a lot about in your book how you ve gotten better with the guitar over time.
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And how proficient were you on the guitar?
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How many chords did you know when you wrote Danny s song as a kid?
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I think I used all the chords I knew on that song.
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It was like five?
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Did you do bar chords?
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Not at first, nobody does.
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Anyway, that s the last thing you wanna learn.
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David, you can have the next question.
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We have a tag team today.
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Speaking of bar chords, you re from Alhambra, California, which I ve only heard about that city on traffic reports.
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No human being really knows where it is.
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if you know where Pasadena is.
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Yes.
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But Alhambra, you re like, Alhambra, where is that?
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Are you thinking of Altadena?
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Well, Altadena is there too.
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We played sports against these towns.
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I hear that on weather reports.
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Okay, so you ask, tell him he s got that rockstar life.
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That s really Dana s big takeaway.
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Well, I just, I love the very end of your book because you kind of summed it up saying,
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you don t really want to be Kenny Loggins anymore in a sense, but we never had your fame or were a rock star.
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And that is a motherfucker.
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You re kind of a rock star in your world.
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Well, thank you.
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I was hoping you were going to say that.
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Yeah.
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I take back everything I said.
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Right.
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But you and, you know, I was just thinking the ride of that.
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And when you become that famous and you were a full-blown sex symbol, right?
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I mean- Still am.
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Well, of course you are now, the ladies must go crazy.
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I deal with it every day.
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You are finally preserved and very handsome.
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But in the 70s and 80s, that s just heady stuff.
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Do you have a question, David?
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My question is, I was waiting for your question.
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But that must have been amazing, but go ahead.
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I think his fame, sort of, I m not relating you to me at all, you re a huge fucking rock star, but when I got fame it was a little easier to deal with because it was so incremental, and I got on like, locally in town I was doing stand-up, and then some people knew me there, so that was a little weird.
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And then I got on like an HBO Young Comedian special.
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Then a little more people, SNL, but didn t do much.
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Then I got a part in a movie, but it wasn t a starring role.
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So over time, people started to know me, but it took 10 years, 15 years.
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You got famous at 51.
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He was a rock star.
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But you did like, it was 21, right?
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Basically 22.
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21, yeah.
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My oldest son says, dad, that fucked you up right from the very beginning.
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What did he mean by that?
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Well, you miss out on the parts of life that you should be learning about.
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And writing about, because then you re writing, you re not anonymous anymore and you re not walking around absorbing life and getting a real reaction about the real world.
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Yeah, the real world evolves.
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I never had to learn how to cook for myself.
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It was one of the things I wished that I would have gone through that phase of getting more friendly with the kitchen.
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Yeah, how do you cook now?
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I mean, do you have... I asked Lisa to cook.
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Lisa cooks.
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So, I felt like when I felt famous for the first time in my 30s, that to certain people, I became an idea or a concept.
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you know, especially just getting wealth too.
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Like when did wealth come in for you?
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Like real wealth?
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When did you first make a million dollars?
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That was right up, right?
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Very close to the beginning.
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It was the opposite of your story.
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I was trying to say we had the same story and then I started to back out of it.
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Yeah.
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We, Logins from Sina played the troubadour as the opening act for Curtis Mayfield.
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And then two weeks later, I think it was, they brought us back as headliners because I guess the headliners dropped out and Weston needed somebody in a hurry.
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So they pulled us back in.
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So it looked like the rise to that kind of thing.
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Oh, back then that was a huge deal.
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FM radio was still a new concept.
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FM was, oh my God.
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Oh yeah.
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Huge.
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And so they adopted the Loggins and Messina record because we had these seven minute tracks where they could go out back and get stoned and then come back in and continue playing.
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And what was on that first album?
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The first, that got hit, that was Sittin  In.
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Angry Eyes?
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Angry Eyes was the second album.
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But what were the hits off that Sittin  In album?
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Sittin  In had Danny s song.
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Oh, Danny s song.
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Which Ann Murray covered before we got to it.
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And it had- Ann Murray, of all people.
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Believe in me, is that what she sings?
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No, no.
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Danny s song.
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But she did Danny s song, but she also, she was her own star.
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Oh yeah.
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And then you sort of gave that to her and you said, do you want to cover it?
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I gave it to her, yeah.
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She was with, I had a friend and
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That was her friend, so I met her through a friend.
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So you still get checks today from Anne Murray s cover, and then you get checks for your own.
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You did your research, didn t you?
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Yeah, well, I m into royalties and money.
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I wanna know your net worth, but I m not gonna.
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So anyway, just to put that in context, I ll be like Howard Stern.
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You re 21, 22.
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You ve got a huge hit album.
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You re getting famous.
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Girls love you.
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You re getting really wealthy.
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Then what happens?
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You do more of it then.
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More girls.
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Well, in those days, you know, I didn t have a girlfriend or a wife or anything, no family.
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So, you know, 21 years old, Jimmy and I would go on the road for 300 days a year.
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Good God.
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We just lived out there because there was nobody at home.
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The day you get famous, do they deliver cocaine to your house or do you have to go buy it or how does that work?
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Your underwear is made of cocaine.
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And then you use it, you gradually just take it.
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You have a vending machine at every gig.
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Yeah.
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So 300 days, but you were young.
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You got it figured out.
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That s what I asked for.
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Wow, is that on a bus or are you flying commercial or, I mean, that s just- Well, it s both.
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On the East Coast, you ll tend to bus because the venues are close together.
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On the West Coast, you usually fly.
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And they start to grow exponentially, like it was, you know, two theaters or 3,000- Well, we started on a college tour, so we played the gyms.
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Yeah, that s what we did.
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Gymnasiums, and then that grows out to,
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Real venues.
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The word gets around a little bit.
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What size would be the real ones?
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Because I don t know if we really got past that size.
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Well, things happen pretty quick.
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So we probably did a short bit of what they call Performing Arts Centers, which are 2,500 people.
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And then we were suddenly in outdoor venues.
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I remember a show we played in, I think it was Oakland.
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Well, I obviously don t remember that show.
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Paramount Theater?
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And it was, opening act was Peter Frampton, then Fleetwood Mac.
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Jesus.
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Stevie and Lindsey had just joined the band, so that hadn t caught on yet.
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And then us and then Rod Stewart.
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Wow.
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And I told a balloon story in the book about- Goddamn.
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When you walked off stage- Jimmy bribing the kid holding Rod Stewart s balloons to, he gave him 50 bucks and said, let him go now.
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So hundreds of balloons take off for our encore.
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Did you guys, like with comedians, it s always a pecking order.
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Like if there s comedians, your opening act tries to blow you away, even though he s your friend.
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And if you re the headliner, the middle tries to dominate you.
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Do you like, you ll follow that motherfucker to Rod Stewart?
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Or did you feel that then, or you re just zero?
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Where were you in that lineup?
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We were third.
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Third.
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But you followed Fleetwood Mac.
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Followed Fleetwood Mac.
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They were pretty good.
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They were okay, what happened to them?
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Yeah, I don t know.
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I mean, I m still jealous that you even knew Stevie Nicks and also rang her up to do a song, which is such a great song.
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Well, you know, cause I was their opening act for the better part of a year.
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They opened for Loggins and Messina when they started and then I opened for them when I went solo.
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And it was really the duet with Stevie that launched my solo career on the radio.
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That was a monster.
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The amount of people, that era that you touched, you worked with and interacted with is extraordinary.
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Had we known that we were iconic.
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You should have tried to manage Fleetwood Mac or something.
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Yeah, really.
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I m new to this.
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You were asked to manage somebody though, right?
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What s that?
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You were asked to manage someone?
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No.
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Yeah, Dana, nice try.
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Save that David, let me do the questions.
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No, I thought you said in the book.
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None of that s true.
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No, I swear to God, I thought he said,
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And you kicked him to your manager, or they asked you who s a good manager?
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Oh, well, that was Michael Jackson.
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See, Dana?
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Oh, a little fella named Michael Jackson.
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A little guy.
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A little guy.
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I wrote down something, because I was listening to some of your stuff.
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I listened to five, four this morning, four years ago.
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On my iPod, without knowing this was coming up, they re already on, no bullshit.
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This phony over here, this guy s a showbiz phony.
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I m totally for real.
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He gets competitive sometimes, but he s good.
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David, might be helpful to give your notes to the people watching.
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and they can pick the best questions.
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We have a crowd in here today.
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No, I have great, what Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, I love, and that was early on, right?
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Yeah.
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You wrote songs for them?
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Well, no, I wrote a couple of songs for them.
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You wrote songs for them, great.
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Not actually for them, but I had these songs that I was playing.
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We d go to parties, different parties around town, and there d always be like five or six musicians with their guitars.
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And we d just sit around in a circle and we d take turns playing.
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Oh my God.
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And they would say, we want that one?
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Two of the guys from the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band were in the circle.
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So they would do songs that they knew.
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And then they came to me after this whole thing and said, that one you did about the bear, we want to do that one.
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And can you come up to Little Canyon and sing your stuff for John McEwen?
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So when you started doing your thing, did people get kind of quiet then?
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Wait, wait, Kenny s got something.
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But you were a songwriter, it s so valuable for a band to have a guy come in and write to their style.
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They recognized the style I was writing in was the style they were recording in.
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I just wanted to insert this because it really made me laugh.
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But in 1969, you were in a band called the New Improved Electric Prunes.
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Is that real?
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I don t know about the new improved part.
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That s what it was on Wikipedia.
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The New Improved Electric Prunes.
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No.
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Are they around anymore?
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No, there was an Electric Prunes that did I Had Too Much to Dream last night and a couple other hit records.
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And of course they got in a fight and the lead singer left.
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And so they needed,
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a couple new people in the band, and so I got a call from my friend who was hired to do the new music direction, and I was going to Pasadena City College, and he called me and said,
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You want to go on the road? 
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I said, yeah.
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And you were a teenager, basically.
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Well, yeah, I was 19.
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Anyway, I was just leaping ahead here, stylistically.
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This is it, hearing that song, and your voice on that thing is supernatural.
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And it really reminded me
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or it was sort of similar style to Michael Jackson, that you can reach these notes.
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Did people talk about your vocal performance on that song in specific?
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You had so many, but I was just kind of blown away by how you hit that.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, and though that, I m still struck, the problem with all that is that recording in the 80s, everything was up there.
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And you could do it though.
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We re all competing with Foreigner.
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Foreigner, I love it.
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The next thing you know, we re all up in the stratosphere.
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But you could hit those notes.
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That was something, yeah, that was doable.
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Not necessarily healthy.
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Not sustainable.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Taking all that on the road now, it s sometimes I have to drop a key here and there.
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Now, I m gonna say this is it.
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Now, Dana, I m going out on a limb because I might be confusing.
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No.
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Was it about dad went to the hospital the hardest?
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Yeah, yeah, that was.
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And you were putting together the song and then you sort of, that song wrote itself where you go, this is where it s headed.
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Yeah.
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The intro that I use in concert, okay, is that when Mike, and that was the second song that Michael and I wrote together.
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Michael McDonald, Dana?
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Yeah, he s good.
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He s Michael Jackson, because I knew you were thinking Michael Jackson.
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Yeah, I was thinking Michael Jackson.
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Michael McDonald s another unreal singer.
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Go ahead.
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The first one we wrote together was What a Fool Believes.
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And then we waited about at least a year before we wrote a second song because The Fool won a Grammy and it was like, oh.
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It s too hard to follow.
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Most people with intelligence would go, well, we should write 12 more songs.
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But we were intimidated by the success of the songs.
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So we kind of avoided each other.
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Who produced that?
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Did you both produce it together?
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What a Fool Believes?
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Because it goes so- No, that was Teddy Templeman.
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So elemental and almost cartoony in that hook.
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Are there any words, I ve never heard a hook like that.
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Those are the original words, Michael.
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Oh really, just to make it like something and then you fill it in?
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Did you say you walked in and he was playing the beginning of that?
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Yeah, I was standing outside his living room, the door was ajar and I was hearing,
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And he sang the whole verse and stopped.
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And my imagination kept going to this.
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Oh, that s it.
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Knock on the door and say, I think I know the next part of that song.
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That s amazing.
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That s so fascinating.
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Yeah, you walked right in and started doing it without even.
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Yeah.
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Bullshitting.
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But you matched it.
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Like that opening is so brilliant.
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You always need that other thing and you got it.
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Yeah, the release, the B section.
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Release the beast and then it goes.
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B sections don t exist anymore.
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Have you noticed that in pop radio?
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People call them middle eights.
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Is that what they are?
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Well, that s a Nashville thing, middle eight.
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Okay.
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And the B section is just going someplace else for eight bars.
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Yeah.
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That s the thing you were talking about, Lennon and McCartney, that answer to that question upstairs was that I think McCartney brought the bridge to a lot of the songs where John would come in with a verse idea.
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And then you ll notice in the bridge, the bridge gets a little more chord-y, a little more
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intellectual and moves into a different kind of vibe.
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And then it comes, the classic example of that is Day in the Life.
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Woke up, got out a bit, grabbed a gun, across was a piece of, that was a McCartney melody.
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Anyway, we, what s the word?
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Diverge.
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Well, no, because you were a part of a duo, incredibly successful duo, which,
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not important, but I saw it in 1977 or 78, I think it was Stanford University, it was like a grass green thing.
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We re all huge fans, so just delve into that a little bit, how you hooked up with Jim Messina.
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Yeah, that was, I was looking for a producer.
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I wanted to be a solo artist.
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And I heard that Jimmy was producing acts, and what he d done is he d left Poco, which was a band he d started, to be a producer for Columbia Records.
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Poco.
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Poco.
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Dennis Miller s favorite band, Poco.
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What do you mean, Steppenwolf wasn t available
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Okay, anyway, he, sorry, he s our favorite, one of our favorites to do.
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But so you met Jim, Jimmy, James, and- Oh yeah, so I went over to his house and I sang, you know, a bunch of songs that I had, a lot of the songs that I played for- Poco.
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Poco.
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Poco, baby.
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No, I didn t play- Poco was big.
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Played for, actually, the Dirt Band.
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And in the process, you know, we talked about working together, but I found out when I was writing the book that Jimmy said in his interview, he wasn t that blown away.
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He didn t want to do a folk act, and he saw me as a folk act.
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Is that, was that based on Danny s song or something?
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Probably, I mean, that s just one, but you also got, you rocked it on as you continued, right?
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Yeah.
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That was a conscious choice.
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Yeah, and collaboration helps with that, you know, writing with writers who are already writing a particular style.
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Yeah.
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But what turned him, when did he kind of go, I m gonna work with you?
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Just called the next day?
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Well, no, Clive called him and said- Clive Davis.
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Clive Davis.
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Sorry.
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Not all I ve met, he was an impressive guy.
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Clive Wilkins?
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Very smart.
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Clive Owens.
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Clive Owens, okay, gotcha.
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Clive for 10, Bob.
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Kenny Loggins has the board.
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Okay, so then he changes his mind.
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Yeah, Clive calls him and says, you know, you ve been on salary for a year and you haven t done anything yet, so maybe you should pick one of these artists.
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And Clive had sent him Andy Williams
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acts of that ilk, and that was definitely not in his... Slow pokes.
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There was one act that he would have probably produced instead of me, and that was Dan Fogelberg.
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Oh, I remember him.
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But Fogelberg made one big mistake, and he said, I want to do an act just like Poco.
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And Jimmy was like, no, I don t want to do that again.
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But wait a minute, so Jim Messina s in a room, he s got an Andy Williams 8x10 and a Kenny Loggins 8x10.
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I m not sure.
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Let s go with the long hair guy.
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One s the future, you know, Andy Williams had a great run.
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Andy Williams, incredible voice, nothing against Andy Williams and his family and fans.
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But what s more exciting, you know, get a guy- Or Claudine.
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Or Claudine, that s his wife or what?
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Don t you remember that, Claudine Lange, that was the invitational ski thing that SNL did?
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Yeah, that s a Dennis Miller one.
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Let s go hit the slopes.
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It s something he would do a bit about.
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That guy s got an AK-47 going down the bunny hill.
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I m going backtracking to Danny s song.
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We can bounce around.
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It ll be easy.
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There s Eddie s song too.
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Yeah, my big brother had ADD, so I can keep up with you.
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I do too.
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Oh, there s a butterfly.
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I gotta tie my shoe.
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What d you say?
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So this is Danny s song is about your brother, but it was similar that,
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My brother, Andy, my older brother is very cool.
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And I went to high school with him, but he was always embarrassed me.
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It sounded like you said something like that where you were a little younger.
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And he told me I dressed uncool and he would always go, they don t want you guys at the party.
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And I go, it s a party for freshmen.
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He s like, I know, but they don t want you there.
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That s what you need is somebody who always thinks you re an idiot to help you grow.
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I have three of them that thought I was an idiot.
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Maybe that beating is, you know, Dana is from, his dad s from Montana.
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I think your dad might be from Montana.
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That explains a lot.
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And it was a tough, his dad was very tough on him.
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He s like an old school dad.
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He had it in for me.
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And I don t know if you had that similar situation.
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Just old school tough, I d say that, you know?
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And my dad was tough till he left.
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And then he ran off.
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Have you considered therapy at all?
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Would that fuck up your career?
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Oh, my favorite subject.
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No, I got into therapy five years ago and I should ve got it at age 30.
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I learned a lot.
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But you might not have been who you were.
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Well, how would you, just generally for you,
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Because I did read your book, but- I thought you were gonna say, how would you describe me?
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How would you?
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Yeah, enough about me.
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What do you think of me?
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How would you describe your childhood?
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Just a normal, kind of weird, really fun, you know, or all the only one I knew of.
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He takes a big breath.
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Yeah, right.
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How do I put this?
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It did say- But I was a third of three boys.
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Youngest.
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I was the fourth and I was the youngest.
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Yeah.
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And my, the middle brother, Dan, was kind of the outsider.
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He was kind of the James Dean of the family.
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The rebel.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so, you know, I tried to be like him.
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You ve had one of those, I think.
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Yeah.
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And it wasn t very easy to do, because none of his clothes fit.
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Can t live up to him.
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So you re trying to wear hand-me-downs?
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I even tried to wear some hand-me-downs, because they were cool, right?
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Yeah, he was cool.
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Whatever he wore was cool.
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It didn t look the same on me.
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Such an illusion.
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But that s what I was referring to in the back of the book.
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was that in the process of trying to be like my brother, I realized, thanks to him, that everything about me was uncool and really stupid.
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So you have to work at changing those things to become not so stupid and to try to be cool.
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And so there s a process of creating a persona that I carried into rock and roll because I thought if I m going to be on a camera, if I m going to be out in front of people, I better fix those things that don t seem to be working.
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Yeah.
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You got pretty cool though.
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Obviously, at some point you realize, I don t know how you were in high school, I saw your high school senior, but you became kind of movie star.
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Good looking, right?
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And weren t you almost in a Star is Born or is that just a rumor?
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That s a rumor.
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That s a rumor?
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Yeah.
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Did you ever hold hands with Barbra Streisand?
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No.
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We sang together though, which was pretty cool.
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And no, at one point she said, have you ever acted?
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Would you have any aspirations for acting?
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And I said, no.
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That wasn t my thing and that was that.
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So that was my audition.
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I would say you were almost there.
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I m fascinated by drive and where did you think yours came from and when did you realize that you had it?
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you know, like you re willing to go through a lot of pain and keep writing songs and just the drive to get to where you got.
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When did you, were you like that and had to win at games as a kid and stuff like that?
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I was always competitive in sports, but not at school.
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School was sort of a side thing for me, but you know,
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I think the drive came because I knew that I had some talent.
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I didn t know how good I was, but I knew I could pull off, you know, I could go to a party and sing songs and there d be people listening.
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But other than that, I didn t know how far it could take me, but I knew that
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Rock and roll is a high turnover business.
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And sooner or later, I m going to get a shot at it.
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And I better be good because I want to hang out there for a while.
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And then one thing just led to another.
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I think the motivation when I got married and had kids was, you know, I got to bring in some money here.
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I got to support this family.
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And so I just kept pushing, kept writing, kept recording.
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It s a tough life.
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Did you have bands in the 70s that were your peers?
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You d listen to their album or watch where they got?
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Yeah, who did you?
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You know, like James Taylor s got something, I want to beat that or just even as friends.
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Did you have sort of?
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Seeger, anyone?
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Well, I think there is that.
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That friendly competition that happens.
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Yeah, it s so friendly.
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With other players, like other guitar players and stuff.
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Sure.
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They take their guitar to school, we d sit around and trade tunes.
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And that s where you learn things.
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When you re working with your friends, it s friendly enough that there s a one-upsmanship that usually happens, but also that you re paying attention to what they re doing.
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Because if somebody does something really good, you re gonna go, God, I gotta remember that.
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Or show me how you played that.
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I remember the first time I was, I think I d smoked marijuana.
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I was with a band in Tahoe.
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I think you still do.
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Well, we tried at the ranch and the house vibrated.
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We took an edible, my wife and I, only because we wanted to test drive it for her mother, her mom.
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For her mother, of course.
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Yeah, it was Iris.
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I m not really sleeping well.
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You were practicing for the police.
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Then we didn t give it to her because the whole house was going like this.
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But anyway, I digress.
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I didn t know that story.
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You didn t know that story?
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Yeah, we just took a teeny bit.
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I didn t know.
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And then we were watching The Godfather at Cottonmouth and I woke up at 2 a.m.
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And then the room was vibrating.
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I could barely walk.
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I said, what?
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Yeah.
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Sounds like you took Indica.
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Do you have a brand that you sell?
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I was thinking good poo would make a good name for a brand.
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I went into the stoner store and the guy s like, Hey, you know, I m like, I need a weed pen.
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And he goes, I go, my neck s always screwed up.
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He goes, Hey, I go, which one?
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He goes, which one of these 600 do you like?
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I go, that s where you come in.
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I don t know.
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And then the owner comes out, he goes, Hey Spade,
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know what Jimmy let s get him some fentanyl crab cakes and you know what why don t you have some PCP candy corns I m like no no no I m okay I m actually just a new guy
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This one, a weed pen, like a little Z-Quill.
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This one, knock out.
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But I have another question for Kenny.
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It s more of a statement, which they all will be, and you don t have to talk.
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We re starting the podcast pretty soon.
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Okay, let me know when we re on.
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We call this the precursor.
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When I press this button, we re on.
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The first hour.
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Go ahead, David.
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No, this might be a lie, but Kenny, I think, I remember we did a corporate gig.
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Is it possible?
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Yeah, it s possible.
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Do you remember?
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MCI, I was doing 1-800-COLLECT commercials.
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Beep, boop, bop, beep, boop.
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Remember that on the payphone?
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Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
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During SNL?
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And I was sent to, part of my deal was to go to St.
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Thomas and do a show.
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And I did stand up at the pool.
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The real St.
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Thomas or somewhere else?
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I don t know, it was an island.
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There s an island, right?
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I went down there.
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And then I think it was you was the headliner and I was just doing, but I did it around a pool, which was a tough situation.
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They re scattered all around the pool.
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They didn t even cover it up.
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So I m like on the diving board and they re around here.
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Anyway, I do that.
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So you re doing standup on the diving board?
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Yeah, something like that.
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That s dangerous.
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They were working on a chart to see which way I could bomb the most.
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And they were like, I think the best way for you to not do well is to put them on the diving board and he can balance.
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That keeps all the people apart.
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Yeah, and they re like naughty.
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I do the corporate in a hot tub.
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And I was fully clothed, they said, get in the hot tub.
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And there s like five CEOs, I m like, what s up?
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Five high rollers in there.
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Yeah, they re naked, I have a suit on.
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They took an edible on the whole hot tub.
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No, anyway.
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I think Kenny was a headliner because I swear, this is true, but you wouldn t remember, but we,
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you know, a couple of us got to come back and say hi to you.
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But you were, it s not really a big story.
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It s just that it was you and you were coming on, but you obviously crushed, and I think it got to meet you, and I think it was fun.
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How could I ever forget that?
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How could you forget?
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Check your diary.
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Another thing, my buddy, this guy that I did on the road had the greatest Footloose parody.
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Oh, we haven t talked about Footloose yet.
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Do you remember Footloose, the song?
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Well, basically, like you said in your book, you had all these albums and all these hits and then you went solo.
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Then there s all these soundtracks that blew up and are still iconic.
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But you and Jim, you re still friends now.
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Jimmy Messina.
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We re doing a gig Thursday and another one Saturday.
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Like I said, you re really good friends.
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We were going to wail on you for comps, man.
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I m going on the road.
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It s not the only reason I m here.
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I know, I want to go because it s going to be so fucking huge.
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I m a kick-a-day drummer and I just wanted to be able to sit in on Angry Eyes.
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Do you still have your book for your snare drum?
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No, I graduated.
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I just drum in my head all the time.
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The guitar players play tennis rackets.
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He played with you, too.
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I m always drumming.
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I played with you, too, live from satellite.
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I m impressing.
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Live from satellite, never done.
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Is Dennis Miller here?
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By the way, can we bring him in, please?
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Oh, go.
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Christ sakes, he s doing the whole beatbox thing with his mouth, huh?
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He s a master of rhythm?
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Kenny... Vloggins!
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Has anyone ever called you Kenny G?
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No.
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Okay, sorry.
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So you leave Jim and that was a big confidence boost for you.
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Gilbert Godfrey didn t know who I was and I was on his show.
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Is that true?
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He didn t?
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Is that true?
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Well, it was just a moment where he had to be reminded.
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Let me, you look familiar.
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Sorry.
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Sorry.
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But God rest his soul.
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Yeah.
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That was great.
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So let s go through some of these.
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Well, one of the hits, Don t Fight It, I just had questions because it was Steve Perry, and I remember that when I read it, and then I listened to it again.
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Of course, I know that song.
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And it s sort of like, whenever I call you friend,
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It s you and Stevie Nicks, which is huge.
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By the way, one of the greatest intros of all time.
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Oh, thank you.
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I just heard it again.
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I go, this is why I love it.
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You re screwing around at the beginning.
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And I think people get too perfect these days in songs.
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And they go, oh, we had a glitch.
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Let s redo it again.
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And you go, no, it s funny to hear people talk in the background or do something odd, because that s what you remember it and how you memorize it.
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And I think the imperfections are really fun.
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And that was on purpose, obviously.
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Which imperfection?
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What you did at the beginning, just screwing around before and harmonizing.
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We had the song recorded and then Bob James was producing it with me and Bob says, we need an intro to this.
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And I said, I ll just go out to the mic and.
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you know, just scat something.
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Was that just you?
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Yeah, no.
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You remember that day in the beginning?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, totally.
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It s so fucking cool.
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I love anything like that.
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Yeah, I was raised on the Beach Boys and that whole counterpoint thing is part of my brain.
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Genius.
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Beach Boys are.
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You just kind of just weave these things together.
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It s smart.
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When we talked to McCartney, he was like,
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When you know when it s done like because you know the Beatles they would they would put another layer in another layer and they finally go That s enough.
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Yeah, but you go when is enough because it feels perfect like so much going on especially a day in the life There s yeah, it has change-ups and different things and that s why I know I can never write a song.
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It s too complicated We just keep plonking, you know, you re plonking.
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John and I would face each other with the guitars It was like looking in a mirror and we just keep plonking away.
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Then we came up with Strawberry Field
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I love the understated.
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I m going to ask you a question.
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As such a great vocalist, because you are, you got the cans on and you re going to sing with Stevie Nicks.
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Must ve been cool to hear you sing with her.
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The blend, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Must ve been a thrill, right?
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Yeah.
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Because she has such a unique kind of tone.
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we didn t perceive ourselves the way you re describing.
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We were just working, you know what I mean?
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It wasn t Stevie Nicks, it was just Stevie.
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Oh, what year was it?
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Like 70s?
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So they weren t, or early 80s?
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No, no, it was late 70s, yeah.
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Late 70s, so she wasn t quite, yeah.
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Yeah, because as long as I ve seen her broke up in 76, and so it was probably 78.
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And it is when songs become remembered and stick out decades later, it just grows bigger.
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Well, it gets legendary.
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Working with old comedians or actors in old movies and people go, what was it like on this and this?
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And you go, wow.
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At the beginning of the morning, you get up, you look at your lines, you go, let s get out there, and you do it.
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You re just working.
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Yeah, and you go at the end, you go, I think that was all right.
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And then later, if it works, it works.
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I did a thing with, I did a show for Coca-Cola s 100th birthday with,
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George Burns.
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Oh, yeah.
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And he was 90 at the time.
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And at the end of the show, I said, in front of the audience, I said, George, this was so much fun.
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Let s get together and do it again when you turn 100.
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And he takes a cigar out of his mouth.
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He says, well, you look like you re in good shape.
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You might make it.
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He ran into John Lovitz when he was like, I guess, 98.
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And he goes, I got 18 months.
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What?
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He s got 18 months left.
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He says I got 18 months to live.
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To live?
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Yeah, he just kind of rounded it off, you know, but it was an incredible life.
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Do you remember the Norm Macdonald joke on Update when he goes, George Burns today died at 100, which proves once again, smoking kills.
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A lot of those guys had double martinis and highballs and cigars and just went on forever.
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Yeah.
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But when you re recording like that with someone like Steve, are you hard on yourself or are you kind of like, I think I got it, or do you want another take?
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Do you feel when you nailed it, you know it?
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Yeah, when you re in the zone, you can feel it.
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The danger zone?
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Do you feel bad if you have it?
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Oh, that s a perfect segue.
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And we re not gonna take it.
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Do you feel bad when you have Stevie Nicks in there and you go,
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Close.
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Going again.
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Stevie did say in a number of interviews that I was the rough taskmaster.
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Oh, wow.
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I only had that one shot to get that vocal, because Fleetwood was passing through and we recorded in New York.
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Oh, and you got like one session.
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One night.
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How does Kenny Loggins become a taskmaster?
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Because you re like,
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Stevie, what are you doing?
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I mean, what do you say to her?
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Let s do it again.
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Oh, just go again, go again.
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Or like in the movies, when you do a take, they go, perfect, going again.
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You go, yeah, I loved it, I loved it, do it again.
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You guys are great, we re just gonna go.
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Well, Stevie, it would be hard, you know, I guess you weren t intimidated back then, like everyone would be today with her.
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She s also just a stunner, like in real life.
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I mean, there s so many, you re super talented, but you coming, you gotta go.
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I think you agree.
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So she s a talented girl, she comes in with a great voice, it matches up, and then you just cross your fingers and go, I hope this fits in the song, because I don t want to waste her time, I don t want to waste her time.
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You know, you just cross your fingers, I guess.
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Yeah, we didn t know.
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much about what we were gonna do.
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We had to make it up as we went along in the studio.
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With the song done and you had to tell her.
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In the studio?
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Yeah.
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You had to write in the studio?
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Because the vocals were crossing parts where it would be too high for her or it d be too high for me.
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And so we d have to switch parts.
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So sometimes she s on the melody and sometimes I m on the melody.
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And we had a harmony where the first two lines, I m harmonizing to her melody on the chorus.
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And then I switch over to melody and she goes up above and does the harmony.
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I m in awe of people who can harmonize.
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It seems like the toughest thing, to hold a harmony, you know, all the way through.
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I think, you know, my big brother, again, Danny, got me into music and singing when I was little.
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And so he had me learn all the harmony parts.
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And when I met Olivia Newton-John, she said, yeah, her big sister was the same way.
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Her big sister was the one who had all the melodies and she had to sing all the harmonies.
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Damn, so you really started young.
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Yeah, you do.
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Well, you liked the Beach Boys, too, and they were all harmonies.
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Yeah, it was all about that.
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When you have someone like Stevie Nicks or someone else, let s say Steve Perry in there, you re doing a song, do they ever say, I want that line?
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No.
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I ve had that.
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Yeah?
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I ve had that in movies.
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So when someone wants to take your punchline?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, not good.
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It s very weird.
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Yeah.
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Who wanted to take your punchline?
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I ll tell you later, get lost.
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You know him.
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So it is tough, but I guess it s whoever s doing it.
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Like when we were doing grownups, applause.
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Yeah, thank you.
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280 million.
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There s five comedians there.
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So this isn t,
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the example I m talking about.
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But Adam was pretty cool about, you know, you have five comedians and when you re, the scene is the scene and we all have a joke, but we re all obviously capable of coming up with more jokes.
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So on every take, Adam will go, Spade, do whatever you want in this one.
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And then Rock, and then I ll come in, we ll huddle up after a take.
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and might say, what about this line?
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And Adam will go, you know what, Rock, you say that.
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And then we ll say, I go, Adam, and he ll kick him around.
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So he was producing.
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He was producing, he s a producer.
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And you have to have a boss and we have to go, okay, whatever Adam says.
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Now you do them all.
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And then when the movie comes out, he was pretty fair.
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You could have made that the Spade movie, because every scene, I had a funny line.
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You had a line.
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But he goes, Rock s funny in that one.
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He s already had one, give it to Kevin James here.
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He had a great line in that one.
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And I think even it out and doesn t hog them all for himself.
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He could have been every joke.
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Because every time we, you know, everyone have something.
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But I think that s good producing.
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Is that intimidating for you?
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It was hard.
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With, you know, other four or five other great comedians.
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Yeah, they make you get funnier.
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But it s work, it s the same thing.
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If there s a chemistry.
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Yeah, if there s a chemistry, you get it.
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Well, Saturday Night Live definitely made me go from being a not,
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really good writer, or maybe just a decent writer for my own standup.
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But Lauren said, I like that writing.
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We want it in here.
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And then I, you know, can you write for Dana, Mike Myers, whoever.
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And that was harder to write for other people, but it makes- It would seem liberating to me.
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It makes you better.
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Just imagine anybody doing that.
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Well, it s a style that I can write for myself.
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And then I d give it to someone, they go, ah, I think you can do it better.
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Or I think that s more your thing, which is a polite way of saying it s not good.
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Yeah, or, you know, I don t wanna give line readings, but I go this, and I wind up, I wasn t as good writing for other people, but I think it made me better to go to a read-through and watch good writing and watch people write.
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Like you re saying, you get around good people, it s the key.
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It should be.
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I did a, well, it s a good memory moment.
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Uh, documentary?
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Hopefully you edit this.
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I did a Wine In s TV show, Wine and Family.
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Okay.
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And they did a moment where, um, I think Michael was on, McDonald was on the show with me.
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And about six or seven really strong lead singers
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And each one of us had a solo line that we would take, and then they would point, you take the solo.
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Oh, wow.
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We re singing the song, learning the song, and then jamming on what the solo line was.
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And we are the world, you did as well.
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We are the world was like that too.
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Did you hear the world, you asked for a different one?
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Can I have four lines?
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I want Cindy s line.
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We are in the world.
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I like it.
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Yeah, did you go, did someone go, hey, Cindy, on this take, ham it down.
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Yeah, right.
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It looks like he s trying to get- Go to the YouTube competition.
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Go to the YouTube moment where they re trying to get Cindy s line over and over again, and look in the back on the stairs is Steve Perry, and he s making the funniest faces.
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It s like- Oh, he s clowning a little bit?
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Well, not clowning, especially.
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I think he s just grimacing because there are moments where
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You know, she would kind of miss the note.
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Well, was that a long, it must ve been a long shoot I heard, right?
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Oh, it went a long time.
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Not just Cindy, I mean the whole thing.
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Everybody, yeah.
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Who was a real dick?
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Did anyone say that?
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Who was a trend?
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They go, Spade needs a hard out in an hour.
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And everyone s like, what?
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Yeah, I m what?
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Does anybody want to get out?
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I m sure everyone wanted to get out of there.
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Dylan didn t want to do anything live with the people, because he has his own thing and he doesn t want to have to sing in the group.
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So they brought him in separately
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He sort of rocked and swayed to the song a little bit, but he didn t really sing along with it.
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Didn t they show him in a wide shot?
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Well, he s just not that kind of singer, he s Dylan.
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He s just Bob Dylan.
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Did you hear about Aerosmith, what s his name?
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Steve.
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Steve Tyler.
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When he sang the national anthem, did you see that?
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Was it recently?
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A couple of years ago, I think.
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And he sings, land on the prairie.
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And, you know, he gets all this criticism and he says, what d you expect, I m Steven Tyler.
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That s how I d say it.
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That s me, yeah.
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What are you doing?
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Why would you ask me if you didn t expect me to do that?
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I love, because at an early Bono was on, We Are The World.
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He sounded cool from you two and Mike Jackson.
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He was?
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Bono was in there.
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He was?
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Wasn t he?
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Wasn t he?
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Okay, we got to Google this because I don t think so.
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Google somebody just because I ve been lying so much in this podcast.
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Interesting.
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I can t afford one more.
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I hope I m not bugging you.
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I didn t mean to bug you.
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I did a Michael Jackson video once, I think I told you Dana, and he cut me out of it.
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Anyway, sore subject.
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I knew Michael Jackson in 1975.
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I was a busboy waiter bringing him his carrot sticks before the show for a week.
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I knew all the family, Tito, Marlon, everybody.
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Tito.
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Tito.
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Tito.
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And Michael was charming and I brought him carrots and Janet was tan and she was dumping them down the bed.
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I said, please don t do that, Janet.
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She goes, Miss Jackson, if you please.
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You re nasty.
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That s the joke part.
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I wanted to get into something we talked about earlier.
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Is when you collaborate, you said that you re in a room collaborating, and at the end of the day, no one really remembers who came up with what.
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Oh, right, yeah.
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And you collaborate, your big collaborator s like, Michael McDonald, was he like your favorite?
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You did like seven songs with him or something?
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I mean, that s, I guess, five maybe.
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But you guys kind of went back and forth, but that s kind of- Do you remember Michael McDonald?
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That s interesting that people don t know.
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Okay, we re gonna start with the basics.
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Like when I came up with the Hollywood Minute for David.
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He s obviously being facetious.
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I said, David, this is so you.
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Give me something.
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You should have this.
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You should do this.
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This is you.
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And he does a great job with it.
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He did great with it.
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Bob Odenkirk helped me with that.
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Bob Odenkirk actually helped me with that.
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Robert Odenkirk from Better Call Saul.
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He helped me come up with that.
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So I ll ask you these two questions.
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What was your, as you probably don t have it, your favorite collaboration or the collaboration that was better than you dreamed it would ever be, turned out better, or someone who you enjoyed collaborating with, you sought them out?
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Miss Piggy.
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Did you do it?
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Oh, you did.
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Oh, yeah, you were a big- I did one of those things, yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I didn t write with her.
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You didn t write with her.
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Yeah.
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Frank Sinatra, you ever sing with Frank Sinatra?
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You know, I ve always opted for the Fred Astaire answer to that question, which is that he refused to ever say which was his favorite.
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Sure.
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Right.
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All my children are my favorite.
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I have a good question for this guy.
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Okay.
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Kenny Loggins.
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Steve Perry.
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Pipes Perry.
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The answer is yes.
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Just to clear the air because you re in the business.
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Kenny Loggins has the board.
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Everyone loves Steve Perry.
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Everyone loves Journey.
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And they went on without him.
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I don t know if it was a money thing or whatever, but everyone sort of was hoping he would come back and do it with them.
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Was it his voice?
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Do you know the answer?
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I have an answer.
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Okay.
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Because someone we know, our business manager, used to work with a lot of these acts.
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And so you had, I think it was the Commodores, but Lionel Richie wrote the song, so he had the publishing.
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So he s going like, I think I ll go over here.
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He s got all the money.
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So apparently Steve Perry had all the publishing.
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And so he didn t want a tour anymore.
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Once you get a lot of money, you might want a tour a little bit, but not a three-year tour.
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So that was what I was told was a driving, a three-hour tour.
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Sorry, you saw where it was going.
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But when you got, when did you, what was your highest net worth?
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Steve Perry, what happened?
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Why did he stop singing?
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Steve Perry, because he didn t want to go on the road like that.
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I really don t know.
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I don t know.
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I know that he had personal issues.
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His mother died at the time.
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And that kind of pulled him out of the band.
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What was Steve Perry s net worth?
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We ll do some Googling after the show.
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Obviously Caddyshack was the first big sound, I think first big soundtrack song you did.
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Which is impossible to get three, you have three that I know of.
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Three at least I know of.
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But Caddyshack, four.
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Caddyshack, you don t, like you said, you don t meet, you don t go on the set, people think you re hanging out and singing with the cast.
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It happens later, right?
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And they tell you what?
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Here s the movie, do you see it first?
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Yeah, I saw a screening.
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It didn t have an ending and it didn t have a gopher when I saw the screening.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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The gopher dancing too.
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The dancing gopher, right?
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And everybody loves the gopher, but when John Peters made the movie and John said, okay, so this next part, man, this is where we have a gopher come out of a golf hole and dance.
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It s a hand puppet.
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And I went, that s stupid.
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You re gonna have to make that work.
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It sounds horrible.
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I was so wrong.
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I mean, it does sound horrible.
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If you came up with that, they d throw it out, right?
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Yeah, I guess.
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Let s do a, well, how about a puppet over here then?
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And Bill Murray s gonna talk to the puppet, yeah.
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I have lamp chop with me.
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Right.
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Lambchop was a star.
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When you bring Lambchop in, I understand.
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He made the big money.
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Sharon Lewis and Lambchop, that was a big part.
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Check his net worth.
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Net worth?
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$280,000.
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You write it to the imaginary.
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You just wrote the song and they adapted it.
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Yeah, I wrote a couple of songs for that.
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The opening song where Danny, the lead character, is riding his bicycle through suburbia, and the temp music, temporary music that they had for that spot was a Bob Dylan song.
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And I thought, this is really strange.
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Why would they be playing a Bob Dylan song showing a kid riding his bicycle?
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Nothing is happening here.
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And then,
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I figured that, you know, Dylan is like the ultimate rebel.
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So why is that going on?
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What are they trying to tell me?
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And then by the end of the movie, you see Danny changes his character from wanting to be a part of the country club to wanting to go his own way.
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So he does become the rebel.
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So that s where I m all right, nobody worry about me came from.
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Wow, I didn t even put that together.
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Interesting.
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Oh, that s cool.
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And they had no ending though.
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And so you were talking about giving a line away.
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They just, they brought Rodney back out onto the golf course, Rodney Dangerfield.
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And they said, give us an ending.
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And this was, who wrote that?
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You would know that.
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Who wrote Caddyshack?
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Yeah.
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Was it Harold Ramis?
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Harold Ramis?
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Yeah, Ramis.
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It was Ramis, yeah.
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And great writing and a lot of improvising.
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Yeah.
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And so Rodney just goes out and goes, hey, we re all gonna get laid.
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And that was the end of the movie.
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The mic drop.
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It works.
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And then everyone starts dancing and they dance, I m all right, is it?
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I guess, yeah, probably.
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That worked.
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Yeah, okay, so that one, obviously a hit.
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That one was great.
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You ve got, oh, Top Gun is huge.
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We had Heart to Heart, obviously.
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Heart to Heart, I love, I heard it this morning.
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Heart to Heart, another with Michael McDonald or?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that s another classic.
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Michael and David Foster, remember that?
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Yeah, I ve met David Foster a few times.
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Yeah, he s a great writer.
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He s great, right?
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David and I wrote the chorus in New York
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And then when we had that chorus in the bag, I said, I want to hold the rest of the song for Michael, because it feels like a Mike McDonald song to me.
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And he was on piano and you were on guitar when you wrote the chorus?
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David was, yeah, on grand piano.
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Were you playing an instrument or just like guiding him?
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Usually I don t pick up a guitar unless I need to find an idea.
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But because, you know, the chordal thing, the whole piano thing is so much more fluid.
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Chordally places, I don t even know.
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So when you collaborate and they re playing, you re going that, that.
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How about over here?
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No, no, not that one.
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This one.
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Put that in the bass.
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And so then I went to Encino, to Michael s house, and I played the chorus for him.
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And I said, let s write a verse.
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And so he just, do, do, do, do, do, do.
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He came up with that in about five minutes.
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That s it, let s do that.
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Yeah.
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I think you said in the book you had David Foster and you had him and you had to pick.
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We went into the studio and because I d promised that I would never record a song I wrote with Michael without Michael on the piano because he s a unique player.
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we put David in one room on the grand piano, and Michael was in the main room on the Fender Rhodes.
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So Michael played the verses, and then he would lay out, and David would jump in on the choruses.
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And is Michael, when you say unique style, is it kind of rudimentary intentionally?
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Or how would you describe him?
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Because it is sort of, it s rhythmic.
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You mean the way he plays?
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The way he plays piano.
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Michael plays with his hands apart, and his bass line is moving all the time.
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And David plays like thumb to thumb.
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So there s these big clustery chords that are real lush and more R&B kind of vibe.
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I like that.
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Also, there s a wider range in the chords.
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It s just a different style.
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Michael s more like that stride gospel style.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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So what about Footloose?
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How d you come up with that?
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Did I skip one?
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He skipped Top Gun.
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No, but Footloose is before Top Gun, or they re right around the corner?
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Yeah, no, Footloose is before Top Gun.
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Okay, Dave.
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That was a friend of mine, Dean Critchford, wrote the screenplay.
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Yeah.
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And he asked if he could write some songs with me to make sure that he got to deal with Paramount to also be a songwriter, because they only saw him as a screenwriter.
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Ah.
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So as a favor to Dean, we wrote a couple of songs, one of which was Footloose, one of which was I m Free.
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And it turned out to be a favor to me.
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And you, at that point, had transitioned into electric, and you were into the Fender, because you have that, dong, ding, dong, ding, dong, ding, dong.
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Yeah, that kind of started.
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Well, I came up with that idea backstage, so I was sort of warming up on that.
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Oh.
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I wrote it on acoustic guitar, but I knew that it was gonna be an electric guitar part.
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It was like a Dwayne Eddy kind of thing.
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Do you think Kevin Bacon s danced to it well, or how d you feel his dancing was?
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I think Kevin and all the people that dance to that.
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Pretty amazing.
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You know, if you look at the video, that s not Kevin entirely.
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Right.
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There s all the flips and the twirls and everything.
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Most of that is- Dana s gonna start crying.
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Dana.
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I don t believe you, Mr. Logan.
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Is Kevin Bacon gonna dance any way he wants?
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Should we just touch on SNL for a second?
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No.
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No, because I want to tell him the parody of Footloose that he s heard a million times.
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Oh, okay, yeah.
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But who s the guy, this is the one I heard, and just bear with me and we ll cut it later.
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It was been sleeping all night, worked up an appetite.
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I m lying on my head.
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It s like a Weird Al Yankovic.
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Mom says, get out of bed.
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I see the toucan.
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He says to follow his nose, run fast as you can, follow wherever he goes, because I got to eat loops, Fruit Loops, one of the four fruit groups.
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milk please, Louise, eat the whole box with ease, funny, heart attack, need a snack, my vitamins and minerals I lack.
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I lack, wow.
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Yeah, it s funny.
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Yeah.
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I can t believe you got that.
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Is that yours?
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A guy went on before me that and killed, he just put the guitar down and left and I didn t even go on stage.
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Fruit loops.
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I can t follow that shit.
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Fruit loops, it s got a good hook.
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I gotta have loops, fruit loops, one of the four food groups.
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Kick out your dink.
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Okay, so that s a hit and was song parodied and that was a good one.
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Okay, so Kenneth.
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Before we talk about me again.
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You can call me the Kenster.
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No, the Loginator.
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The Loginator.
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The Loginator.
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That s not bad, Loginator.
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I was gonna ask you just quickly what it meant to you in 1982, if Wikipedia was right, to go on Saturday Night Live as a musical guest.
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Was it nerve wracking or?
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Both, yeah.
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It was very exciting.
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You hope you re ready.
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And because it s live and the sound is really difficult to make it right on a TV studio.
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Oh, you must go in there and tweak and get scared.
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I had my own engineer to be in the room and make sure it approximated the record.
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Do you remember what song?
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I did the show a couple of times.
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Oh, you did?
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Yeah.
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One time was Heart to Heart and I m pretty sure I did Footloose.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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But I did the other one that was way better was Fridays, I think that was called.
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Now, does it bump the record?
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That s the idea, right?
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It bumps the sales?
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Well, hopefully, yeah.
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It s just to keep the record moving up.
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Also, it looks cool.
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Yeah.
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But it was a status thing.
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It was great.
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Yeah, it looks really cool.
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Doing Saturday Night Live was always a status gig.
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100%.
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And you feel for your, if you look back on it, do you feel like you did great each time?
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Or were you coming off going, ah, did you feel like you killed it?
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No, I felt good about it, yeah.
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And did Lorne say anything to you, the Lorne Michaels, our boss?
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I don t think so.
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Because he d be very understanding.
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I think he was busy.
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Maybe footloose.
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He would levitate the room, he d say, oh, it was a nice job.
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I thought it was breathtaking.
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No, he wouldn t.
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Okay, well, we touched on SNL.
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Right, we did it.
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That s what the show s about.
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Yeah, but it s too fun to talk about this other stuff.
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And the book is obviously still All Right by Kenny Loggins.
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But lastly, we ll talk about Danger Zone because it was obviously... Danger Zone!
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Could you still sing that in concert?
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Oh, yeah.
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And how, is that an easy one relatively, because it s kind of raw or you don t have to reach for the high notes as much?
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Well, there are high notes in that.
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Oh, okay.
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You know, Matt Dana is a rookie, so.
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How dangerous is the zone?
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It s just a question.
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You wrote that down, did you?
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I let the judge and the jury decide but um have you heard the song I ve been to the Froot Loop Zone?
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I m gonna be singing that all day.
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Fruit loops, fruit loops.
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So how did that song come about?
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You got contacted by Jerry Bruckheimer or did you record company?
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Okay, so yeah, that was contacted by Jerry Bruckheimer to see a screening, but I think it was a cattle call.
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They did a bunch of screenings for a lot of artists to come in.
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And I was sitting there, I was making a record with the producer.
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an Austrian producer named Peter Wolf.
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Yeah.
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He does the music for the people.
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That sounded nothing like it.
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It s going to be a big smash.
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Amazing.
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I got no respect around here.
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I m going to try and pick up where I left off here.
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Well, I went in for the cattle call and saw the movie and there was about six other acts in the theater.
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You won t say who they are.
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I knew everybody.
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I don t remember.
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But Aerosmith.
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Was not there.
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Oh.
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And that I thought the opening scene with the Jets and everything, I figured forget about it.
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Everybody s going to write for that.
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And they got to the middle scene and the volleyball scene.
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Right.
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And I turned to Peter and I said, nobody s going to write for this.
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We got to write this one.
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Cause then you re on the album, right?
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And then you re one of 10 or 12 songs that can be chosen for a single.
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That s clever.
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But Kenny, do you write, that s so interesting.
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You write for a scene cause they have to put music throughout the movie.
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So they re trying to vibe for the first scene.
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I knew that scene was going to need music.
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And so that s what I went for.
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So I got playing with the boys in.
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And then while I was recording that, I got a call from Maroder and his office, they said,
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you know, we have a song we got to dub in Friday and we don t have a singer for it.
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Cause I guess the lawyers blew it.
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And that was Danger Zone.
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That was Danger Zone.
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So, so I went, I listened to it.
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I made some changes and made some changes and then went into the studio.
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Did they give you a writer s credit?
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Well, here s the deal.
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Writing credits are tough.
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This is actually, I don t think I put this in the book.
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Oh, right.
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That, that,
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Giorgio and Whitlock, his co-writer, they were trying for an Academy Award for their music in the movie.
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But it had to be the same two writers.
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Ooh.
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So they couldn t add me as a writer because that would be one of the songs they needed to get that Academy Award nomination.
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Because they need four, right?
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It is in your book.
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I thought it was five, but you know better than me because you re a big movie star.
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No, I read the book.
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It is in the book.
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So let s say it s four or five.
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So you do wind up with it or you don t get it?
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Well, I said, okay, then just give me a piece of the publishing instead of writers.
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So financially we can work it out that way.
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Smart.
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But then when he sold his publishing company, something got lost in the shuffle and my name was dropped off the record for about actually more like 10 years.
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So nothing came in just from the publishing on that part, and then it started again.
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And then nobody was watching the door, right?
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So I didn t get paid for at least 10 years, maybe 12.
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But then you got a credit later?
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We had to straighten it out and go through all that stuff, but that s always... So my name was not on as writer for years.
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Does that eat at you a little bit?
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The missing money is what ate at me.
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Yeah, also that someone would drop the ball like that and then no one gave a shit.
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No, no one s watching the hen house.
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And then when Danger Zone comes back again on the new topic, I don t know if you ve seen it, Dana, but it s a big hit right now.
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It s like an amazing worldwide smash.
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And here you are again, front and center.
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And just as a fan, when I watched the movie and then I heard that again, I was like, oh,
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I was just completely elevated.
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It brings everybody right back to that moment 35 years ago.
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But it was like, when you guys were just, you know, like, what, five?
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I was so young.
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Thank you, Kenny.
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I want to meet your dermatologist, but we ll talk about it.
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Kenny s looking good.
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Yeah, you re looking good.
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We should let Kenny go.
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I think we covered everything SNL we could.
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Well, I just want to know how you, this resurgence, what has it meant, if anything, just that you re front and center right now in the culture with Danger Zone.
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Do the people go more crazy when you play it?
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Absolutely.
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So it s, that s just kind of cool, right?
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It s back in the last, uh, Tommy Dowd, I worked with on a, on a record.
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He produced a Derek and the dominoes and a few things like that.
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Oh yeah.
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And Tommy said, success is like a moving train.
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And for a minute you re in the window and people can see you and then the train moves on.
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And so my train is like a Lionel circle, you know, it just keeps coming around because now this,
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Danger Zone s back in the window and it s cool again.
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Footloose went through a period of time where it was just not cool.
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Yeah, but it s such a token temper.
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If and when I go to your concert, which I want to because it s great, you re the kind that if I brought a friend that wasn t 100% familiar, every other song they d be like,
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Oh, he does this one?
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Oh, and there s so many hits.
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I don t think it s, you can suffer from too many hits.
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Yeah, it s great.
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Oh no, he also did that and that.
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But then with music, you have the young people keep discovering it.
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And it s kind of hip.
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My kids love stuff from the 80s and 90s.
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Well, you can see that the whole yacht rock thing is really big.
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Oh yeah, I wanna talk about that briefly.
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Yacht rock, how do you define that?
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Well, I don t.
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But actually there was a period of time, I will, a period of time where,
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Smooth jazz was influencing pop music.
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And so a lot of us were leaning in that sort of Stevie Wonder kind of vibe and trying to get things that were a little funkier, more of a jazz groove.
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And I was working with a lot of the New York guys like David Sanborn and Eric Gale and Steve Gadd and people like that.
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You know, like Heart to Heart is a good example of that kind of jazz, smooth jazz vibe.
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Jazz and pop rock.
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Yeah, a lot of saxophones in that era.
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Yeah.
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And so I think that the Yacht Rock thing was kind of partly defined by the guys that created the internet comedy bit on Yacht Rock.
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So it was like wealthy men on their boats.
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I m never sure about that.
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That s one of the things I hear is like, is it music you listen to on your yacht or is it, if you own a yacht, do you listen to it?
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It might be just more of a concept of just like, it sounds cool.
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It sounds fun.
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And it sounds like old school hits that maybe middle-aged guys are
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Crankin, which I m fine with.
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Yeah, well, you are one.
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Yeah, Dana s one.
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I m like a young ingenue.
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A young version of that, yeah.
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I am his father.
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We haven t never announced it, but I am his dad.
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I am your father.
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I am your father.
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I think they re allowed to laugh back here.
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They ve been, either they re holding it in or nothing s been funny yet.
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I am your father, Luke.
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So anyway.
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We haven t really started the show yet.
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The book is still all right.
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The book is still all right.
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The guest is the great Kenny Loggins, who just keeps working.
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I prefer Kenny Loggins, the great.
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Kenny Loggins, the great.
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And wait, there s more.
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He keeps coming at us in society.
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And now Danger Zone and Top Gun and all that super head.
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And we just thank you for coming on our humble show.
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I appreciate it, I m glad when I heard you had one, these kids are good, they re gonna stick with it.
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I love when you call a kid, can I hang out with you more?
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If they stick with it, they just might make it.
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Well, thanks, because if you get a chance to see him in concert, it s great, I would love it.
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I m gonna look at your tour list and just show up backstage one of those days.
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Just any time, work up any song you like.
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I ll do Choppin  Broccoli, it s a thing I did on SNL, if you got a piano, it s a...
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Shop and Barclay might be a good collab.
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That should be a good, we ll take an intermission that night.
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And you can just stay out there.
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And sell merch.
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We ll sell merch while you get your clip.
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The whole crowd leaves.
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You could be the opening act.
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All right, thank you, Kenny, and thank you, Dana.
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Thank you, Kenny, David, once again.
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See you next time.
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Thank you both.
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