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My name is Lee Hawkins.
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I ve been a journalist for over 25 years.
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On my new podcast, What Happened in Alabama, I get answers to some of the hardest questions about how things came to be for many black Americans and the truth that must come before any reconciliation can happen.
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I investigate my family history, my upbringing in Minnesota, and my father s painful nightmares about growing up in Alabama.
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What Happened in Alabama is a new series confronting the cycles of trauma for myself, my family, and for many Black Americans.
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Listen now.
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Listeners, summer is officially almost here, and along with it, a whole bunch of new Don t Ask Tig episodes are headed your way.
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This summer, I m personally very excited to go travel with my family.
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Stephanie and I also have a very big project that we re working on that hopefully I can share more about soon.
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What about you besides listening to my hit sensation of a podcast?
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What are you up to this summer?
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Are you traveling or staying put?
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Finding a great book to read?
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doing a big project with my wife, Stephanie, or trying a refreshing summertime recipe.
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Let me know and maybe I ll read some on the show.
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Go to DontAskTig.org or call 833-275-8444.
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That s 833-ASK-TIG-4 and leave me a voicemail.
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And by the way,
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I ve got some tour dates coming up.
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I ll be in Jacksonville, Oregon, July 21st.
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Eugene, Oregon, July 22nd.
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Colorado Springs, September 25th.
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Breckenridge, Colorado, September 28th.
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Boulder, Colorado, September 29th, and Brooklyn, New York, November 4th at King s Theatre.
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There s two shows.
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I believe the first one is sold out.
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But come on out.
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And I apologize again for having to move my taping from June to November.
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But because of the Writers Guild of America strike, I had to move it to November.
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So
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Go to TigNotaro.com for all ticket and show information.
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Now on with the show.
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I used to be a skater when I was in junior high school, have you know?
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I think I did know that, actually.
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No, you did not know.
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Well, we met once, and I believe there was talk of some skateboarding in your past, but maybe I was just dreaming that.
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When we met?
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Yeah.
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I immediately went to, oh, I skateboarded?
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I think there was a grace period.
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This is Don t Ask Tig, I m Tig Notaro, and I consider giving advice to be an extreme sport.
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My guest today is an entrepreneur, philanthropist, and arguably the greatest skateboarder of all time.
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He turned pro at age 14, and by 16, he was considered the best competitive skateboarder
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on planet Earth.
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He is the first skateboarder to ever land the trick known as the 900, considered for years to be the holy grail of vertical skateboarding.
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His nickname is Birdman, but I know him simply as Tony.
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Tony Hawk, welcome to Don t Ask, Tick.
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Thank you.
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That was quite an introduction.
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I don t know if I can live up to it.
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Well, you already have.
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All that skate terminology just rolled smoothly off your tongue.
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Well, I ve certainly never landed the 900.
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There s still time.
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No, no, there is not.
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Not at 52.
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My time is done.
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What is a 900?
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Oh, it is a two and a half spin in the air, leaving one side of a ramp, spinning around two and a half times and coming back down the same side of the ramp.
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It was something that I was working on for the better part of 10 years.
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Previous to that was a 720, which is two spins.
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I did that in 1985 and didn t land a 900 until 1999.
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Wow.
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It was a long journey.
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And so do people just do the 900 now?
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Because I feel like that s what happens.
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Some do, yes.
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They move beyond that, too.
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Like how many people?
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Not too many, though.
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I mean, still to this day, I can only count about
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less than 20 people that have done it.
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And then there are three people that have done 1080s.
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So that s three spins.
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And then there is one person that did a 1260, which is three and a half spins.
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How?
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The 3 1⁄2 is the one that is the most baffling to me because the hardest part about 900s, for me anyway, was that my landing zone is blind twice during my spin.
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So you don t really get to catch it.
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You just have to believe it s there and feel it.
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When you re spinning 3 1⁄2, who knows where it is and what s happening.
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And was that filmed, the 3 1⁄2?
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Yeah, it was a Mishi Brusco.
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It was at the X Games about four years ago, five years ago.
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It s on a bigger ramp, so he has more airtime and somehow people think that s easier.
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Having ridden both those size ramps and the size I like to ride, I don t think it s any easier.
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I think it s way more frightening.
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He has to launch at least 12 to 15 feet in the air in order to get that much spin time.
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Somebody could get terribly hurt doing that as well, right?
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Many have.
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I did, too.
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You got hurt.
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I broke my rib trying 900s.
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I didn t get too beat up.
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I mean, I definitely took my hits and gave up a few times because it was so painful.
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But no, I ended up getting the most hurt on a 540, which is one and a half.
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I just got over a broken rib.
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How long did that take you to recover from that?
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Well, let s just say it was a couple weeks before I was breathing normally.
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It was really painful to breathe.
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And once I got over that, I just kind of went back into what I was doing.
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My first week was very rough, and then it oddly started to kind of be okay soon after that.
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It exponentially gets better, and then you d forget about it.
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Yeah, just had to ask because, like I said, just got over that for myself.
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Now, you ve been sharing your recovery from your injury last year.
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Aging obviously takes its toll on all of us, but as a skateboarder, you probably feel it more than most.
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How has your philosophy towards your age evolved over time?
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I have much more respect for it.
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So I broke my femur a year ago, which I had never done before.
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You broke my femur a year and a half ago.
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We re on the same trajectory.
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Come on.
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Anyway, go ahead.
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We re kindred spirits.
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See, I told you it s not too late to start skating.
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Okay.
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You re getting hurt worse doing whatever you re doing than you would be skating.
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I ll tell you that.
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I m just breathing in and out, but go on.
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Uh, so I broke it and then I was hell bent on getting back out there as soon as possible.
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I started skating way too soon.
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I ended up forcing it to be a non-union fracture, which is in the business means my bone actually stayed disconnected.
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It never went back together because I just kept putting pressure on it.
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And finally it went sideways.
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Yeah.
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I was in denial of that for the first seven months or so and just thought I m always in pain.
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I guess that s how it is after you break your leg and my skating wasn t progressing.
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And then I got an x-ray and I got the truth that no, this is not going to heal the way that you have it.
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So I had it re-set, realigned in November and waited this time around.
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So to answer your question, I respected the
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The healing process and my age, the second time around, when my do-over, now it feels great.
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I haven t been looking back.
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That s amazing.
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The femur is really hard.
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Apparently one of the hardest bones.
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Yeah, the hardest, biggest bone.
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It s the hardest one to heal.
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Yes.
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And it s frustrating because you wanna get about your life, go back to normal.
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Without a severe limp, yes, that would be lovely.
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Yeah, and you re not limping at all.
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Not now, no.
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I mean, I m back to skating at a high level again.
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In fact, I created a new trick yesterday.
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Really?
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And I kind of thought through those dark days that my days of innovating were over.
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Tell me what the trick is, just so I can work on that.
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Okay, it s a mouthful.
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It s a half cab body varial to backside blunt.
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Or as street skaters would say, fakie body varial to blunt back 180.
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What does it look like?
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It s more something that takes place right at the top of the ramp.
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It s not in the air.
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So it looks kind of like a dance on the coping.
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And so you ve been working towards this for a long time?
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I had the idea,
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As I started to get my skating and my confidence back, I did a variation of that trick that wasn t as complicated a couple of years ago.
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And I thought, oh, you know, with how I m feeling now, I feel like I could get back to something of that caliber that doesn t require a lot of compression, a lot of strength, a lot of airtime.
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And I just fixated on it for a couple of weeks and finally made one yesterday.
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And so have you with getting older, which, by the way, you look great.
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Thank you.
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Do you give yourself a bit of a break at all to take it easy?
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Are you still?
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I try.
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But if you ask my wife, she d say no.
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Yeah.
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And you skate every day?
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I m trying to skate almost every day.
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Yeah, I have been in the last few weeks.
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But to answer your question, I ve learned to just be okay with showing up and performing at a decent level.
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And I used to never accept that it had to be all or nothing.
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Yeah.
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So you might be the perfect person to ask this question.
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Do you recommend that people turn their passion into a job?
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If you have any way to do so, yes, 100%.
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Because you enjoy your work and you d be doing it for free anyway.
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So if there s any living to be made, it s worth it.
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I agree.
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My father was very into building and programming computers and I used to always encourage him to do that.
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And he said,
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Oh, you never turn your hobby into a job.
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And I was like, why?
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Like, why on earth would you not do that?
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Because we need a life of struggle and penitence.
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I know.
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I know.
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I never understood that, but I agree.
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Well, I mean, on the flip side of that, I love my job, but it s hard sometimes.
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Mm-hmm.
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There are days when I do not feel like skating.
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And there are days when I don t want to push through all this pain of a traumatic injury to get back there, but I love it.
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It s very similar with comedy.
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It s like some days I m having the absolute worst day of my life.
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I have to go on stage and make everybody laugh.
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Or, you know, you bump into somebody on the street and you re a comedian.
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So, of course, you re going to be hilarious all the time.
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But yeah, I wouldn t do anything else.
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Although I do fantasize about retiring and just gardening.
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Do you ever have those moments?
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Yeah, I mean, I have a pretty hectic schedule.
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In our quiet moments during the day, I think this would be nice to have more consistently.
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Yes.
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And speaking of jobs, you described yourself as quote, an unlikely CEO.
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What is something that you wish you knew when you started as an entrepreneur?
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Oh, that I just because I ve been successful in the skateboard industry or video game industry does not does not equate to success elsewhere in terms of investing or being part of a company.
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I had one big misstep investing in a denim brand where my partner and I we just thought everything we did was
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You know, we had the Midas touch and we were killing it.
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And then all of a sudden it was like, wait, what s a lean?
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What do you mean we have to pay that much to make the product?
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Oh my gosh.
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I can only imagine you have a similar feeling that I did.
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It s like you start out skateboarding because you enjoy it.
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I start out telling jokes because I enjoy it.
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And then all of a sudden you re a boss.
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Yeah.
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Like, you re looking at me, I don t know what, I m swinging it.
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Right, you re trying to catch up with where business is and work is, and you re still just the skateboarder comedian that you re like, okay, I m a boss now, and I m trying to figure out... I don t know, book a show?
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Yeah, it s wild, but I... I mean, it takes a while, but you do fall into some sort of groove or some sort of... Yeah.
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rhythm with who you re working with.
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And I feel like I ve finally found that within the last five years or so.
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I mean, I have a building of people I employ and we all have a good cadence.
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That s great.
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I can t complain.
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I have a really good situation.
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I just find myself going, how on earth am I somebody s boss?
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So Tony, do you enjoy giving advice?
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Um, if asked, I do not impart advice without first being requested to.
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What about your kids?
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Unless it s my kids.
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And then they don t listen.
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So what s the point?
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They all skate, by the way.
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But when I do give them advice on a skateboard, they absolutely refuse it.
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And then I ll see one of their friends, who is an accomplished skater, give them the exact same piece of advice, and they listen, and then they learn the trick.
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That has happened repeatedly in our family.
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My kids aren t old enough to ask me advice.
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They re six.
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There s no world where they would be like, oh, I wonder what she thinks about this.
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All right, well, you ve said in the past that your favorite of all titles is Dad, so I m thinking you ll have great advice for our first listener.
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It doesn t mean I m good at it.
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It just means that I like the title.
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That s all right.
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The show s Don t Ask Tig.
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Nobody s holding us to anything.
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Linney writes, my kids are really picky eaters.
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Not only that, my kids don t like the same foods either.
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I m basically preparing three meals every night.
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They re five and one, so their food isn t hard to prepare, but I worry about them one day being annoying dinner guests, not eating what their friends or hosts have spent time preparing.
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Should I just make one meal and whoever eats it, eats it?
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Tony, I have the same question.
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Did you run into this?
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Very much so.
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And they mostly grow out of it.
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You don t have to force it.
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What age?
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I would say in their teenage years.
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Okay.
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There was a point where it was only chicken nuggets or bagels.
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You re saying just hang in there, be patient, they ll outgrow it.
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I will tell you that I had a conversation once with one of my kids who was the most picky eater when he was about five or six years old.
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And I said, what will it take for you to try a new food?
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And he said, half of California.
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And I said, half of California goes, yeah, the half that has Legoland in it.
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That is so funny.
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Let them just grow up and grow out of it.
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Keep encouraging them to try new stuff, especially when you travel, because that s when they get stuck.
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They don t have their comfort food or whatever it is, and that s when you can just sort of swoop in and say, maybe you should try this.
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Yeah, that s good advice, because it is tricky traveling with picky eaters.
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Yes.
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Lenny, I knew you weren t picky when you asked me for advice.
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Maybe your kids will learn from your example.
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All right, Tony, I have more listener questions for us after we take a quick break.
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Okay.
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I m Christina Cotarucci, and this season on Slow Burn,
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It s called Proposition 6.
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The Briggs Initiative.
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John Briggs is going to fire every gay and lesbian schoolteacher in California.
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With so much at stake, young people became activists.
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We can t let this happen in California.
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And activists became leaders.
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My name is Harvey Milk and I m here to include you.
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Slow Burn, Season 9.
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Gays Against Briggs.
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Out now, wherever you listen.
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And we re back.
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Tony, here s a question from a listener in Iowa.
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Ashley writes, I m terrified of flying, but my husband s family is spread across the country.
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Periodically, he has relatives who ask us to visit, and my first instinct is always to say no.
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Some have even offered to pay for our tickets.
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We have decided to visit his cousin in California this summer.
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While I m very excited to spend time with them and experience the West Coast, I m already anxious about the trip.
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I have flown several times before and I always hate it.
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I know you travel all the time.
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Do you have any tips for dealing with my flight anxiety?
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I would prefer not to be out of my mind on meds or booze.
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Do you have a problem with flying?
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I don t.
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I mean, you re doing scarier things on your skateboard.
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I guess.
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I ve been on some scary flights, but I have been flying for 40 plus
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years.
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And I can t say that I ve ever had an incident where it was truly life or death.
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And I mean, just that in itself should be some sort of comfort.
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But I think that it is the safest way to travel.
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You are far safer in that seat than you are driving in your car.
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And if it gets a little bumpy, that s to be expected.
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There s air up there.
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I don t know, I always think of that scene in Say Anything when they re just waiting for the seatbelt light to go off.
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Like, you know everything s gonna be good when the seatbelt light goes off.
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I travel all the time and I still struggle.
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I ve gotten a lot better.
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When it s really bumpy, you do not want to sit next to me.
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But I do find that oddly, having a window seat and looking out of the window is helpful to me because looking out makes it seem
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Like, it all makes sense, because when I look inside of the plane, you can see the plane bouncing around.
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But if you look out of the window, and it just feels more still.
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Yeah.
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And I don t like to dwell on statistics, but tens of thousands of planes are going up and down every day.
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And you don t hear anything about them.
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You really do not.
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It s rare, and what comes to the surface that s newsworthy is people freaking out on planes.
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That s it.
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That s far more dangerous.
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I recently started doing transcendental meditation, and I was surprised that just even being on the plane and focusing on my meditation distracted me from what was around.
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So maybe that s something to check out, Ashley.
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Yeah, that won t make you loopy.
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That ll hopefully bring you away from the noise and the chaos.
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For sure.
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So, Tony and I wish you safe and sane travels in your future.
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It s gonna be okay.
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Yeah, it s gonna be okay.
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It for sure is.
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Until it s not.
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Tony, this next question is about love and faith.
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Lise in Montana writes, I m in a romantic partnership with someone who intends to ordain at a monastery in the next five years.
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I ve known this since we met nearly two years ago.
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There s genuine love here.
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Do I embrace us and go all in knowing there s an end visibly on the horizon?
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Or do I lean into my wish to create a family with people who are available for longer term connections?
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I think it s easy for me to be sitting here on a podcast called Don t Ask Tig and say that you should find somebody that s available long term.
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But I also know what it s like.
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It s that idea of the heart wants what it wants.
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Sure.
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But I think there s also an element of you want what s not available.
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That could be a big element of that, where you re romanticizing this relationship because it is fleeting.
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So I would probably go towards
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yes, end it and find someone that is truly available long term.
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And it s going to be better for you in the long run.
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And also, if like, if you lean into this relationship so much, and you fall deeper, it s only going to be that much harder when it ends.
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I m on your side.
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I m just I m looking at all these different angles.
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I ve been in situations even where somebody is not running off for religious reasons where
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It s clearly not going to be long-term.
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And I m still, I was still finding myself going back and staying involved.
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And the more grounded thing to do is what Tony said.
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Yeah, I think the healthier thing too, just for your long-term sanity and sense of self.
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All right.
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Lise, best of luck.
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Let us know what happens.
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Tony and I are gonna be connecting periodically, saying, like, has anyone heard from Lise?
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Have you heard from Lise?
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Do you know what Lise ended up doing?
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Tony, this next question is what I call a hoo-boy.
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Hoo-boy.
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Hoo-boy.
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Hoo-boy.
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Hoo-boy.
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Jesse writes,
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Hi Tig, I recently went on an Italian vacation and brought back souvenirs for my coworkers, including bags of Italian pasta for my two male bosses.
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A few weeks after giving my bosses the gifts, one of them came up to me and said, hey, I made the pasta you gave me last night.
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Did you hand pick that noodle shape just for me?
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Well, turns out I had accidentally gifted them
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Bags of penis-shaped pasta inspired by the statue of David.
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Should I acknowledge this unintentional mess-up and reiterate that I am happily married?
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Help me fix this penis-pasta faux pas.
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Jesse...
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Yeah, yeah, you should definitely acknowledge that.
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I don t know how you couldn t.
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There s no way you want to leave anything to conjecture.
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Or that well, maybe.
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Yeah.
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Did they call HR?
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I mean, I feel like I can kind of roll with anything.
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I feel like that would embarrass me.
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It s that innocent mistake.
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Yeah, sure.
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That s what embarrasses me.
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Yeah, you just have to say, I really didn t even look.
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I was trying to get you authentic Italian pasta.
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I didn t realize that it was a bit of a joke.
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Yeah, keep it very serious, like Tony just did.
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Yeah, factual, just factual.
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Yeah.
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So there s no innuendo, there s nothing to be questioned.
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It s just, this is what happened, I am sorry.
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And don t say anything like, I didn t mean to buy you penis pasta.
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Yeah, I would never acknowledge what it is.
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Yeah.
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Jesse, you cooked up a real hoo boy there.
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Thanks for writing in.
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Tony, our last segment is called Name That Thing.
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Name that thing.
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On Name That Thing, we come up with a name for listeners with something that they need a name for.
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Anything from a dog to a house plant.
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The catch is that no matter what we choose, the name must be used.
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Tony, you think you can help me with this massive responsibility?
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I think so, yes.
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Okay.
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Today s request comes from Charlie.
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Charlie writes, Tig, I know you re a cool music nerd.
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My roommate Maria and I have been talking about starting a band and we were wondering if you would name our group.
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Neither of us can play instruments yet, but we re inspired by all the punks who didn t know how to play before they started a band.
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Maria wants to be a front man who sings and plays the drums.
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I figure I ll play ukulele, bass, or guitar.
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We want to play punk music with funk and country influences.
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Any ideas?
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Well, first of all, I love that Maria wants to sing and play the drums.
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I don t know if you know this, but that s like the band 38 special.
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Do you remember them, Tony?
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Yeah, sure.
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Do you know they had two drummers?
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I didn t know that.
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On what planet does a band need two drummers?
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So what kind of music do you listen to?
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A lot of punk, like early punk.
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That was the soundtrack to skating through my life and just kept that theme going.
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Oh.
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Is anything coming to you as far?
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Because sometimes chatting about these different things.
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I feel like I was going to go with something like the beginners or the uneducated, like just to throw it out there.
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We don t know what we re doing.
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We re new.
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Or we re new to this.
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See, I had done more of a play on word, word scramble type thing.
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And I was thinking punk functory.
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It s pretty good.
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It s pretty good.
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But then you re kind of pigeonholing their style of music.
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You re right.
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Maybe that is the style of music is punk functory.
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And they re called the beginners.
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So this is a new genre.
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This is punk functory.
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And the beginners, that s the perfect name.
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Here s why.
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Because they started the genre.
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They started the genre.
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Yeah.
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And they re just beginning and don t know how to play.
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That sounds good.
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Do you ever hear a band called Infectious Grooves?
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If I were to define them as a genre, it would be that sounds similar, punk, functory.
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They do punk, funk, and country?
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No, no, not country.
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I didn t actually catch the country part.
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So you re right, yeah.
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I think they created a genre, but I named the genre and you named the band.
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Okay.
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I think we make a great team.
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So Charlie and Maria, your band is officially named The Beginners.
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Rock on.
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or Punk Functory on.
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We look forward to the first release.
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Yeah, the beginning release.
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Tony, it s been an absolute pleasure to speak with you and see your mug again.
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You too.
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Is there anything that you would like to mention or promote before we wrap it up?
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Oh, my nonprofit is the Skatepark Project and we help to build public skate parks in underserved areas.
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It s my proudest work and we ve been doing it for 22 years now.
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That s awesome.
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How many do you have around the country?
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We have helped to fund over 800 parks now.
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Wow.
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Congrats on that.
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Thank you.
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I ll look forward to seeing you again soon.
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OK, I ll see you at the skate park.
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Yes, sir.
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Thank you.
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Bye bye.
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Bye.
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Thanks.
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That s what you heard
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Don t Ask Tig is hosted by me, Tig Notaro.
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It s produced by Thomas Ouellette and Shana Deloria.
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Our executive producer and editor is Beth Perlman.
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And as always, thanks, Dana, and I ll tell Becky.
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