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Well, we got Neil Brennan today, Dana.
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And before we start, I wanted to say our YouTube for Superfly got to 100,000 subscribers.
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That s nice.
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Applause, applause.
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Wow, here we go.
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And a lot of nice comments.
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People are seeing the clips and they go over to watch it on YouTube, which is nice.
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You know, we have a known big fan of Superfly.
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Who s that?
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Joe Biden.
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Yeah, it s good stuff.
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It s the flies, it s like a fly, but it s Superfly away.
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It s because of the David Spade, Dana Garner, I can t believe it s not butter.
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Oh, that s nice that he said that.
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Yeah.
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And we got Neil Brennan today on Flying the Wall.
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And Neil s an old buddy, well spoken stand up, has a special out right now.
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He s had him out before.
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A lot of fun to talk to and a very sharp
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Yeah, very thoughtful person about the human experience.
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He has a podcast called Blocks.
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We can promote that.
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His podcast is about people who have mental health things they may not be aware of.
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He has comedians on and talks through stuff.
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So he s very interesting to talk to just about life in general.
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Very bright guy and has a new Netflix special.
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He s got a new Netflix special out right now.
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He ll tell you all about it.
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And I have a blast talking to him.
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I live near him, so I see him out.
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But he s, you know, part of the Chappelle situation.
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The Chappelle Show co-created that.
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He s gone on to do a lot of things.
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He writes for a lot of people, so.
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He kind of knows everybody, I think because he is so open, you know, about what he s thinking and what he s feeling.
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And for this particular episode, he ll talk about how he dealt with his depression and how it got lifted with different, a method that you will find very, very interesting that s made him a much more content person.
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I m pretty tight about my craziness, so I haven t been on blocks, but I will one day unveil my craziness to everyone.
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Um, I m doing a side podcast just called blocks and it s literal blocks.
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So you play with on the floor.
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It s me with Lego that I could do that.
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And, and I guess the guest and I just milled a little Lego village as we chat.
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Oh, that s nice.
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Um, well, uh, until that airs here s Neil Brennan with a fly on the wall.
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Let s talk.
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I got carded legally by an English-speaking person wearing a baseball cap at age 53.
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What?
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Do we brag about the last time we got carded?
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Is this a segment on the phone?
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We do this.
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You have blocks.
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You have your thing.
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This is our thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I got carded in Thailand trying to buy a ladyboy when I was, hmm.
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I m kidding.
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Not all Neil.
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So, you know, we re just guys.
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Hold on.
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Let me switch headphones.
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Yeah.
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Have we ever run into each other?
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Are we meeting right now?
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No, we, we have run into each other just really quickly.
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John love it s comedy club.
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In the Universal City?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yes.
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And that s what I thought.
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And so I hope there s not another one.
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Is there another one?
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It didn t turn into a chain as quickly as we thought.
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I don t want to, John is a friend, but, you know, as a comedian, you re kind of like, oh, you got to it s at Universal Studios.
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So you park in Jurassic Park.
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You gotta walk a quarter mile.
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You go in, it s built for blues.
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There s a three-tier thing.
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So people on the top level are looking down at the top of your head and talking amongst themselves.
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And the stage is really high.
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And there s a lot of surfboards, right?
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Because Lovett s love surfing.
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That was his theme.
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Maybe it was left over from B.B.
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King, but yeah.
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B.B.
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King, another avid surfer.
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He was getting up every morning at 5.30.
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Remarkably very funny.
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Very funny.
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He had a good pattern between, like a- Yeah, yeah, really good pattern.
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And would remember like narratives between, he d come back up and be like, how s your date going?
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He knew, you know what I mean?
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He did crowd stuff.
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Yeah, knew how to do it.
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Wait, let s keep talking about the universal gangplugs.
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18 theaters.
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I used to go to those theaters, you know, because then, and also if you did the,
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John Lovett s Comedy Club, after you d walk through or swim through the Jaws theme to get there, you could get 10% off at Tony Roma s across the street.
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Yeah, you absolutely could.
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You absolutely could.
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Your primary audience that was available with North Hollywood gangs that would just kind of infiltrate the mall, that was the audience you re drawing from.
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Other than that, it had good sound.
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John was very nice.
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They had good snacks.
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Trying to think of something else.
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And they love, they d be like, hey Garth, what s up Garth?
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It s Garth.
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Hey, you are Garth, right?
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Maybe this is Garth.
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Yeah, Garth.
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Act like Garth for a minute.
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That s the thing, and it s a good problem to have.
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But if I try to do stand-up in a traditional setting, say, I can feel the audience.
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I guess the only thing worse
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The not having hits is having hits.
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I don t know what the word is, but they want me to do the characters they saw on SNL.
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So to our guest today, Neil Brennan, do you feel like, do you have classic bits that people yell out for at this point?
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I know, but no, what s funny is I, so I, on the, on the newest, the tour for the one that s out for crazy good, the new Netflix that we re all talking about.
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Is that true?
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You saw it?
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Great.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, great, great.
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So thank you.
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We re going to talk about, uh, yeah, no.
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Um, yeah.
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Well, you did some stuff I haven t seen before.
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We ll talk about that later.
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So we re, we re, uh, I m assuming this will be in the podcast.
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We re we re all, we re three guys.
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All of it s on.
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The parts for you guys shine?
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Fantastic.
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So I do a show, basically the act that s on Netflix, and a guy DMs me afterward and is like, dude, it was my birthday.
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I paid $150 for whatever, whatever.
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I kept waiting for you to show up.
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Basically, he was upset that I wasn t sadder.
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He wanted me to be sad like I d been in three mics and blocks and most of my life.
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And I wasn t sad enough.
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I m sad that you re not sad.
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No, I know it s a party is missing.
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And where do you fix things?
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I want to go back and watch just stylistically or the way your shoulders are, just your physicality.
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It felt like it was Neil, but you say up front,
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I feel good.
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It s almost like, yeah.
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So I could do two hours on this.
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I know you are very aware of, you know, psychology and emotion.
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So for our audience that doesn t know, you ve famously been dealing with depression and having this really
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but having this extremely successful career in comedy and standup.
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So that s kind of almost illogical in a way, but somehow that take, you made it through that, but then something happened.
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I ve only read your Wikipedia page.
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So tell us, how did you get less sad or kind of happy?
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I got less sad in a very sort of risky way.
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which is ayahuasca, DMT, and MDMA.
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I got into ayahuasca because our mutual friend, Chris Rock,
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sent me an article from the New York Times about ayahuasca and was like, we got to do this, which is, you know, you re old.
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You know, you re old when you get your drug ideas from the New York Times.
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Drug idea.
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Rock s like, we got to do this.
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Did Rock do it too?
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Yeah.
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I didn t know.
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Oh, that explains a lot.
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Now I wouldn t think that rock would do that.
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That doesn t seem like he s very open-minded to a lot of stuff.
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No, he s talked about it in public.
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I mean, he talked about it on like James Corden.
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I know he talked about it a few times, but, uh, but yeah, he, we did it together and it was pretty, we did it together twice.
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And it was pretty wild.
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And he likes diarrhea.
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No, he loves diarrhea and loves puking.
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But and it s sort of both his closers, he calls them.
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And so he so.
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Yeah.
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So we did it together twice and, and I kept doing it.
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Uh, but he, he s only, I don t, I don t know if he s done it recently, but did you like Ron White?
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Did you guys go to a place or just do it?
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We didn t.
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Yeah.
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Ron White went to a place.
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We, me and rock did it.
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Spade.
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We actually did it.
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Maybe at year old.
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Remember when rock was renting a place in Malibu, like two years ago or during COVID, I think.
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It might ve been your old place, babe.
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That you shared with Lovitz and Ted Saranda s spot?
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No, that was, Lovitz lived right next to, Lovitz and Gervitz lived next to, I don t know, but that was the same beach.
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Go ahead.
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I just want to know, set the scene when you- Yeah, set the scene.
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Hey, Chris, he walks into the place or what?
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I want to hear the beach.
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Now I feel like I m telling his, all right, so he had a place.
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No, no, no, no, no, I don t, it s his, I don t get, he s talked about enough, but it s not like.
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It s not illicit, it s in the ether.
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Just tell yours, like what is it?
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You go in there and you have a helper or you guys.
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It was a guy, I got a private, a guy came and he was like a white guy and Rob was like, little Starbucks-y.
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Um, it was, you know, cause he s still funny.
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Yeah, no, you re still, yeah, you re still right.
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It wasn t even, we hadn t even done it yet.
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So then the me rock and then a few friends, maybe three or four friends of mine did it in the place rockers renting.
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And it took maybe four or five hours.
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And, and it was like, it was just a very strong, have you gotten done mushrooms?
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I have done mushrooms, but not in only in my twenties.
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Yeah, it was like it s like mushroom.
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I remember comparing it to mushrooms and at one point being like, wow, like this is.
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Like to mushrooms times like a hundred in terms of intensity in terms of like what it could do so so and then we did it again at another place that was more we it was still in l.a.
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but we did it it was like me and rock and twenty five.
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White white crunchy white people.
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Crunchy white people.
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Now you ve got this, Rock s next special.
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Crunchy white people.
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Yeah, it was like very crunchy white people.
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And that was, and I would say that you would have to ask him about it, but I will say I saw Rock get his ass whooped by the ayahuasca in a good way.
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He got like it was wild.
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The second time.
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Yeah, the second time.
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And I have a question.
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Fifteen times since.
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I did mushrooms, Dane.
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I did acid once, this is a while back.
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This is last Friday.
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I did acid when I was probably what, you know, late teens.
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And I did mushrooms back then.
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It was the kind, you know, you get in a baggie, you buy from whoever, and then you just eat the stems, and you think they re not working, and then you start sort of hallucinating.
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And so i was okay with that but i had to be with other rumors my friends because we re walking on the beach to a party.
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And we around people that weren t on it we could not relate all we ran back to each other so my experience was.
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I don t do them later in life because I get scared of getting out of control.
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Back then I had nothing to live for.
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I had nothing going on.
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It was just like drug, drug, drug me up just for fun.
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I think I d be scared now is the point.
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I think I d be scared to get out of my head a bit and be around people.
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Even though you re friends, that would help, but I don t know.
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It d be a little scary for me.
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Yeah.
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Were you, was it scary at all?
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Were you nervous?
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Uh, a little bit.
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Well, the thing of it is I don t do it.
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It s like once you take it out of like a party setting, it can be just different.
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It ll just be like a different, it becomes like.
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Not to be pretentious, but it just becomes more ceremonial or something.
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So I did, but I ve done, I used to do, as you re telling me this, I remember, I did mushrooms with Norm, Saget, Brewer, and Chappelle one time.
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I forgot about it until you were just talking.
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We were at the Mondrian at the Sky Bar.
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It was probably 1999 or something.
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But it was too much energy.
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Um, so yeah, so if you re going to do it, try to, yeah, try to do it like, uh, away from people.
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And what does it get you after?
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So you come out of it and you go.
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it like resets your, it affects your neurons.
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Like there s a thing called neuroplasticity, et cetera.
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And it, ayahuasca in particular grows new neurons.
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It s the only substance on earth that can do it, that they ve found.
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You will grow new neurons.
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So you grow new ones and it s like, it changes your brain, kind of.
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But having said that, it can also be like,
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Very, uh, I ve seen people get possessed.
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I ve seen wild stuff.
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So did you get, uh, what are you eating?
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Sorry.
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Is it like a pill or is it vegetables or what do you mean?
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It s a tea tea.
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Okay.
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It tastes like, uh, it tastes like, uh, uh, espresso.
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And are you getting, uh, do you feel nauseous in the beginning?
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Kind of like mushrooms did, or I ve only gotten, you get a little nauseous.
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I will say rock generally has puked both times.
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Uh, I, uh, I haven t, I puked once.
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I drank too much.
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So what Neil?
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Um, yeah, I puked.
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Um, so, so, uh, so, so yeah, so it s, it s a little, it s a little crazy, but, um, it s, it was effective for me.
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But I can t say like, do it everybody.
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It s like, it can go a lot of different ways.
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I did it a lot in 2020 and 2021.
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And this past year I ve done MDMA four or five times.
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And that s been helpful in a different way.
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Why is it different?
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Which one s for which?
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MDMA is Molly X. You ever do that, Dana?
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No.
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All right.
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I feel like a bully.
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You ever do it?
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Nerd.
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Yeah, that I just, it s like, oh, that s changed me also.
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You know what, I m gonna be honest, it s opened my heart a little bit, guys.
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Okay, I understand.
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That s a good reason.
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That s a good place to be rather than hardened and cynical and being just organically empathetic to people and wanting to be nice.
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Which I think, Dana, you are generally, you ve always struck me as very empathetic.
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Um, I don t know.
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My wife and I saw her at our breakfast table, took a test, personality test, 10 different types.
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Okay.
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Blink.
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Just do the question.
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And then what would you come out as?
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Helper.
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Would you come out as?
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Helper.
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It can be toxic and the extreme, but yeah, my wife and I are very much like after you, after you.
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People ask me, how did you, did you let people, how did you navigate the Game of Thrones of Saturday Night Live?
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You know, because when you re like, hey, you can do that part, but it s not to that level.
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I also have a really competitive streak, but I m working on that too.
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I heard it.
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The late, great Warren Thomas told me a story about you in the 90s.
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And he said that you one time Dana one time said that he wants the audience to die from laughing at him.
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You want to kill so hard.
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People die.
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Well, I would say to people that I was in that scene in the late 70s, early 80s, and Rob Williams was there briefly and then gone.
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And then he would come back as a, you know, a star, Mork and Mindy, and he, he would create a small seismic event.
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And I just, I was naive.
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I just thought, I guess that s where you want to try to get to that.
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If you can.
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The most impossible.
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What do you think the hardest you ve ever killed is?
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And I want to hear you as well.
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Okay, I ll think about it.
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Oh boy, that goes back a long time.
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I would say for me- In anything, in a sketch, in a movie.
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I would say in the early 80s, when I was really doing a lot of standup, I had done these goofy pilots.
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and TV shows.
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And then I was working at this place called The Other Cafe, which Paula Poundstone went and a lot of people, 70s cedar, 60s cedar with a big window.
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And that s where I got so confident doing eight shows a week that the late shows, I would literally just kind of go with what I wanted to do.
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And I had so much confidence.
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I was crushing in that room.
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And the reason is this,
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is because I was always a sketch player, but didn t know it.
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There was no groundlings up there.
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So I was always trying to do characters and sketch.
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So in this 60 s cedar, where there was no hard liquor, was really helpful.
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In the Haight-Ashbury, where I met my wife, by the way.
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Those are the best sets I ve ever had.
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Different kind of standup.
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Were you doing like, what were you, were you doing like shop and bar?
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Choppin  Broccoli came from there, Church Lady came from there.
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I can only imagine how hard Choppin  Broccoli must have killed in a 60-seater.
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CB, as it s known, CB.
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Thank you for helping this podcast.
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I know, I m helping.
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So I would just say that, and then what happens is you go on Saturday Night Live and you re not doing as much stand-up.
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And then they re offering you enormous amounts of money to play enormous rooms, but you re never really in the shape that you should or could be.
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So your act gets worse and the money gets bigger.
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But you re famous, so you re riding waves and going to your hooks.
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But that was the best I ever was from my headspace.
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Um, and if I do shoot another special, I would have to do it in a 50 seater.
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That s a tight space, but you know, it s not popular to do that.
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What was your theater?
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How big was that one?
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Uh, Fonda.
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It s probably eight, 900.
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So that s, it felt very intimate.
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Oh, Fonda on, on sunset.
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So David, that s my story.
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Neil, David, when, when was you, when were you crushing the hardest?
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I feel like it s any time I m doing standup where they re not filming it for Netflix.
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And then when they film a special, something happens where the crowd goes, I m paying to see you.
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But this just goes back to the joke of whenever most people film a special, it s not their best night on stage.
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This was my Netflix that just came out was the two worst shows of the whole tour.
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See, I m telling you it s true.
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Dana agrees.
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It s something about it.
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I had the same thing.
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There was a technical issue on Friday night.
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Um, so that got to throw that out.
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So you work on it for six months and you got one shot and the audience sees the cameras and the lights.
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And so it s hard to, that s why Sandler s special.
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because he did it all over the place.
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You re watching a guy, you re watching his special, and the guy doesn t know he s doing his special.
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So Sandler didn t know if he was gonna use all that.
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So that was awesome, because it was just, he wasn t doing his special.
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But really, that was your worst set?
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Because it felt pretty good.
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No, it was, I know it was still very good, but it was like, and then the thing happens where you re like,
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you re pissed and you can t be pissed.
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There s like a party that s like, all these motherfuckers.
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You paid to see me.
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Yeah, that s funny.
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I m having a tough set on my special night when they paid to see me.
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Is that how you popped in at the comedy store?
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Yeah.
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I want to introduce a psychological problem based on this and not being able to shoot it 20 times.
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And it s not a good place to be in.
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Like if you have the exact same set, cameras are gone, this is gone, it s Saturday night, and it s a little tight, whatever.
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At least for me, I might step outside the lines, do a little crowd work, switch up my set, try to work what s been given to me.
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But when you re out there and you re doing your set, and it doesn t help me to be in this linear thing.
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I feel like it s homework.
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I have to get to these bits as opposed to, I got a lot of bits in my quiver and I m just out here tonight.
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So that s another thing to get.
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Quiver.
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Quiver.
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I like that.
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Whoops, there s more arrows.
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Here s some chopped up broccoli.
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Oh, be careful, the church lady may make an appearance.
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But that s why I want to be like that on Alaska.
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Hello.
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Me and Spade don t do the crowd work.
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Were there any other suggestions?
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I don t really do it either.
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I don t really do it either.
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But in a small room, you can really have a conversation a little bit.
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Should we go understand, I m still just curious how you re happy.
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I can do whatever, I ll go however you guys want, just cut it down.
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Because happiness is such an elusive word, and you re just saying you re better.
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Yes, I m not like...
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I you know, I m still like that joke engine or whatever still the same, but it s I it s more pleasant for to be me, I m not I m not I realize something on mdma which I was like very I was like felt very forgiving and very open.
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It s like why am I so open now and I realize because most of time my brain is just like cortisol adrenaline.
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And I m like thriving in that.
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And I think that s my personality and that s my outlook.
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And then I was like, that s not even your outlook.
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That s just the chemicals you have.
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So therefore, it makes you think you re, it makes you seem cynical and cutting and biting and abrasive.
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And it s like, that s just the chemicals you have.
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So I figured out a way to try to ignore those chemicals and bring in more of like the nice serotonin family chemicals.
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It seems like a lot of things in life are a little bit like just working it, fake it till you make it, you know?
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Yeah.
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It s just literally, you know what I ve been doing, which is the corniest thing in the world is like, I do a gratitude checklist.
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Oh, four times a day.
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Yeah, but like I do it four times a day because I- Four feels high.
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Four feels like a lot, but because I will forget.
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I will forget.
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Oh yeah.
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I just will forget and then I start thinking negatively about my life or like I say, it s like I write science fiction.
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about my life, like, they re out to get me, and Spade hates you, whatever.
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And then you go, and then I just go, and then I write down, like, no, you re a popular comedian.
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You have three Netflix specials.
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You co-created Dave Jamil.
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Like, just things that are actually true.
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Like, you write jokes.
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Jokes just come to you.
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You re whatever.
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The attributes, the positive attributes of my life.
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You re good at your job.
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Yes.
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You do well.
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It s a hard field.
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And if you can make a living in the arts or something you love at and make a good living, that s a gratitude check off.
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Absolutely.
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I get paid to do this.
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I still go back to that all the time.
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Yes.
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It s very hard.
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I m working right now.
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Yeah.
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It s hard to, well, this feels like work, but it s other stuff.
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Um, it s, it s hard to remember.
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It s just hard to remember the positive parts of your life.
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Cause we re like kind of, it s cooler to be negative and look, look like, uh, this is hard.
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And I m like, I m a soldier.
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And I was like, no, we re all incredibly lucky.
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And so was it your idea to write down the four times a day or is it a therapist?
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It was actually, no, I mean, like I was aware of it.
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as like an Oprah thing.
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And then I was talking about Islam, and I said, they pray five times a day, which is smart, because it s like, you ve got to remember.
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And then Rainn Wilson from The Office was like, why don t you try doing gratitude four times a day?
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And I was like, all right.
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And I ve been doing it probably four months at this point.
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It s pretty great.
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What did Ayahuasca give you, if that MDA gave you that sort of gratitude?
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Ayahuasca gave me, it got me off antidepressants for good.
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Really?
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Pretty big, yeah.
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And I was an atheist before, and then doing Ayahuasca made me believe in a central creation force thing.
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And but it s not like religious or like so, therefore, we know that I totally believe in that, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think people get hung up on like, well, what it s like, what what franchise do you, you know, believe in?
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Right.
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To me, we re here.
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I always go back to that.
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Why are we here?
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Are we really here?
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What is our purpose here?
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What are we doing here?
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So I just emotionally have to think there s
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Some creative designer?
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Some reason.
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Some reason, because it s also more comforting just to, you know, a lot of faith or just belief systems if they... I mean, they asked Mel Gibson, who s a very devout Catholic, and rather than go in defending the religion, he goes, what choice have I got?
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I did a little Australian accent.
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What choice have I got?
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So, you know, it s like, I m going to be way more content and at peace with myself during this time, this journey.
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So it s sort of like I m choosing to be open to this.
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Yeah, in a weird way, it is like a self-interested choice because it kind of feels
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It s easier if you re not, if you don t take everything so literally, like if it s like, this is not, this is my only shot and I got to make the, I got to make the most money and I got to succeed.
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And I got to do that on this time, this 80 years or whatever on earth, I got to rise and grind.
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And you re like, or it s like, no, you re part of a bigger, that s what I say four times a day.
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I would say.
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This is my only shot, I need more money.
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No, I thought, I believed, and I was in my late 20s, I realized there was a higher power than Lorne Michaels.
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No, I was 30.
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And then I said, there s got to be something about that.
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And now I m in.
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And we re talking, of course, about Bernie Bernstein.
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Oh, those are two of my favorite references.
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We have Neil.
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Nobody knows nothing.
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Nobody knows anything in the business.
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Now give me 10 percent of your money.
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I don t know anything, but listen to me.
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But we love we love Bernie.
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I love Bernie.
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When you did Chappelle show was, let s say, 2003.
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Does that sound right?
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Oh, yeah, that sounds right, it is right.
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2002 to 2004, or 2002 to 2005.
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Okay, so SNL was going, and you guys, did you ever want to write for SNL?
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Was that even in your possibilities?
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We had written, yeah, kind of like, me and Chappelle were in Half-Baked in 97, and then Seth Brewer was in it, and then I kind of got, you were doing, that s when I met you, you were doing Eight Heads in a Duffel Bag.
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Not at the top of the resume, but yeah.
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In Toronto.
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That sounds about right.
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In Toronto.
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Yeah, in Toronto.
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And then I met a guy named Mike Scherer, who wrote for SNL, and he and I wrote a couple screenplays together.
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I was always sort of around.
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And then through Scherer, I became friends with Seth Meyers and Poehler.
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All those people.
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So I would go to the parties.
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That s something.
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Yeah.
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So that s and then I actually when Dave hosted in 2016, I wrote that week on the show and and it was.
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It was, I mean, it was the week Trump won the election, so it was an insane week to be there.
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And it was like, I remember being, I was friends with Joe, so I was like, in Joe s office,
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And on a exit polling conference call at 6pm on the election night, and the guy Frank Lutz was like, Hillary s up by six.
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Hillary s up by six points.
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So then- 6pm, okay.
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Yeah, at 6pm, Eastern time.
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And then so as the night went on, you just got to see
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Like what, like people transform and like me and Che, Michael Che wrote a sketch about, it was going to be Rick James doing an update.
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I like it already.
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It starts with Rick James.
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Right.
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Rick James doing a weekend update, uh, doing an update about how he realizes that he could have been president of the United States.
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Uh,
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But we did three versions of it.
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There was at 9 o clock, it s Donald Trump failed at Rick James s dream.
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And then at 2 AM, we rewrote it to be another thing.
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And then at 5 AM, we rewrote it to I could have been president.
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And then me and Jost at 6 or 7 AM,
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I pitched this sketch of like, why don t we just do a bunch of people watching the returns come in?
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And it ended up being like the popular sketch that week.
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But we wrote it, I mean, again, I m not telling, it s all these like, it s the same heroism stories every, all the SNL, like, I m a hero.
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And then like, I punched Downey and then got the scripted cards.
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But- Ran the cards.
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Yeah, and then Wally was like, what is this?
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I can t even read the-
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Um, uh, so we wrote that sketch and it did like pretty good.
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It did like decent at read through, but it had like some punch and then we rewrote it.
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Some of those are visual and then you, they come alive when you re doing well.
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What was the, the through hook of that?
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Just, just the, uh, it was literally like, it was like 7.00 AM.
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I don t really like everyone s excited.
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And then like, you know, a couple of lines about how shoes start dropping.
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Yeah.
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Nine thirty.
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Yeah.
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Then like, uh, looks like Trump won and like them going like what?
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And then Dave s watching it with them.
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And then Chappelle had a funny, like a funny direction for the rewrite.
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He goes, just make it blacker.
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So, so, so the so then the direction became like,
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White people overreacting to a bad outcome and Dave being black about it.
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Dave just being like what the fuck did you like?
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What did you think the guy and then rock came in?
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Like then rock shows up at like 11 Like with some food like what s going on and then him and Dave are just like play play sniper to a bunch of upset white people But it was a funny.
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It was funny like be not real not I mean like knowing about the show second hand through Seth and sure and a few people but so
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Oh I because I was like with writing with Dave I got to go into the sketch pick.
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Oh yeah, that s a big place to be.
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The inner sanctum with Lorne.
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Tight club.
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Each sketch is a card, and some cards make it onto the outline and some don t.
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It s a scary place.
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So you go in there.
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So I did a, it s like the sanctum of sanctums, right?
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Yeah.
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It s the center of the Death Star.
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So I did a thing that I didn t know you can t do, is I went up to the board.
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No!
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Yes, I went up to the Lord, took a card, and said, I think you should move this here.
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What the fuck?
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Wow.
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And I don t think anyone had ever done it.
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No.
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No, I never saw anyone do it.
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No.
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I think I paralyzed Lord.
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And a plus one.
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Yes, exactly.
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And I paralyzed Lord because Lord is, for the many things, he is fairly passive.
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If you confront him, I didn t, none of this was calculated.
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So I, I, I, I basically hacked Lorne, got him, moved a sketch up, hacked the system, pushed him out of the way.
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But yeah, like get out, get him, punch him in the, yeah, throw him through the window.
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Uh, and then, um, and then after, after the, after dress,
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Dress didn t go well.
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I never realized how shaggy dress was.
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It can be really some loose ends in dress.
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Yeah, like you don t know, it s like, oh, this shouldn t be, not only, this shouldn t be a television show.
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This shouldn t be on its feet right now.
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This is rehearsal.
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It s not a joke, but there were a couple of times my first season, I didn t know how it all worked either.
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It was so bad and so long and so discombobulated, I just thought the show is not gonna go on tonight.
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They re gonna have to show a movie or something.
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Yeah, they re going to show like the Godfather or like the Lone Ranger.
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And it s so long.
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You re like, this is still going.
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We got to do the real one in a minute.
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The arts at 730.
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You re like, we re not going to be able to do the 1130 show.
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This is running so long.
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So after dress, I
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We re in the Lorne s office, which is like 75, it s a fire hazard.
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It s like 75 people in this cramped room.
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It is a fire hazard.
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20 by 20.
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It s like, Chappelle was actually talking about hacking the system.
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He was smoking during that meeting.
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It s a tiny room.
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And Lorne, I think I did the card thing again.
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Jesus, you took over.
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And this is how hard I hacked this guy during the show.
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You gave notes during the show.
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It s like, uh, you know, the show s going well.
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Right.
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It s like, we, we figured it out.
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Whatever cut the jokes that don t work.
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It was a miracle when you cut the shit that doesn t work.
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The whole thing is better.
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It starts to shine, but yeah.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, and at, you know, it s 12, 40, 40, 45.
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There s one sketch left and there s a few on the board and I go, what s next?
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And Lauren goes, you decide.
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Ah, wow.
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So I got to pick the sketch, which with Seth Meyers was like, I don t think anyone s that s ever happened.
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And the way you do it is you have to rush the cockpit on Wednesday.
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You rush the cockpit, you rest control from them, and that s the only way.
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then now and then you re the captain and then lauren forgot your name because he s so many people he s probably could we have the pin pusher card guy come in from wednesday pin pusher no you know what s funny i did go i did go back because i had a good experience i went back another week when
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I think Aziz Ansari was hosting, and me and Jost wrote a sketch.
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And guess who wasn t in the sketch picking meeting?
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You know what?
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I know that since then, they have someone in there that pushes a beverage cart in front of the host and his friends in the room.
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So no one can get to the board.
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I just like the balls of him going, OK, now it s the air show.
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We re going to open with Dave s monologue in here in the back.
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Nope.
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Not this week.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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That s at the end.
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Yeah, no, it was.
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Yep.
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No, I don t know.
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What do you think?
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Well, why?
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That s interesting.
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But it was, it was, uh, it was, I ve done it.
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I went back two more weeks.
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So a total of three weeks.
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And by the third week,
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I had like the classic experience of like the sketch, you have to kind of get, they don t pick your sketch, and then you will, like, just objected, and then some people didn t like it, and then we got it on, but it was like late, and then people objected, and then it got cut Friday night, ooh.
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Yeah, no, I know.
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It was like, oh, this is the I was like, this is the experience I ve heard about.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah.
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And ugly.
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No, it was pretty ugly.
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We should take a pause.
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And you go, I guess I don t get to pick the last sketch again?
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Maybe I ll pick that one.
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Maybe, Lorne, do I need to reintroduce myself?
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Maybe you forgot who runs the show.
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Lorne, you re spinning a pin.
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Lorne, I could pick it.
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Please.
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Is there a donkey s tail anywhere?
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This fell off the board accidentally.
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Yeah, so it was, I had like, I had every experience I think in three weeks.
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So funny.
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So you, Chappelle, like, I mean, just in broad strokes, just for our listeners, the difference between doing sketch in that environment and that whatever protocol you guys had, I didn t really know, but I assume it was pre-tape not live.
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It was all pre-tape and it was, and the staff was me and him.
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So it was like, well, cause we had done half baked in 97 and it didn t go well.
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And then, uh, and then like, we just didn t get what it was.
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We worked with Bob Simon.
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So you guys have both worked with like on half-baked and, uh, and, and, uh, we, it was, we just kind of got mauled by the process.
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Cause we were 23.
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So what, what is the, when you look back at, cause I ve done a lot of bombs and stuff where I was in them, but what was the, what was the, was there a flaw in half-baked or it was tiny?
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I mean, I will, I ll clean up our end of the street.
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We should have just rewritten it more.
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Um, once we got green lit, we were just like, fucking we re 23.
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Let s get this per diem in our pockets and get to the brass rail, the strip club in Toronto, Toronto.
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Yeah.
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Um, what are you going to wear to the Oscars?
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Yeah.
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I mean, we were,
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Yeah.
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So like, well, it s so exciting.
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You go, this is it.
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They bought the movie.
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Let s go shoot it.
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You don t think of let s keep polishing.
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I do think it had a great name.
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Yeah.
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Half-baked.
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You always remember it.
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Yeah.
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That was Brewer s pitch.
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So like, uh, so we just should have kept rewriting it.
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And then there was just stuff production stuff that it was like, you know, by the time we saw drawings and renderings of this, the sets and stuff, it was all very bright and colorful.
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And we were just kind of like,
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Is this what you thought it was going to be?
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Just like we did.
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I think Bob had like the the Billy Madison.
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Billy Madison lens on it.
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Yeah.
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Like the Billy Madison color palette.
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And Dana, I didn t see Master Disguised, but it looked like you had that.
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We had it.
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Adam had it less in Happy Gilmore because it was more exteriors.
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But he got sort of further away from the sort of the kindergarten color palette.
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Cheerful, family-oriented film.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, we were doing a weed movie, so it was kind of like not exactly right for that.
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So it s just stuff like that.
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So the authenticity quotient went down.
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Yes, yes.
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And we should have rewritten it more.
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Neal you can even get burned on posters because there s a whole arts like a blue background like it and i think tommy boy has a lot of there s a there s a system where.
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There s certain colors that make it look like a fun happy family movie and there s some that look a little grainy even on the poster.
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Yes, that s exactly right.
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And but then also, were you in Airheads, Spade?
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No, no.
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Sorry to put that on here.
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Brendan Fraser.
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Yes.
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But like Airheads was a little more indie looking.
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Half Baked had the bright blue background.
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Yeah.
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Rass, Dave and you know, it s like you re absolutely right.
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Like there s just a bunch of stuff.
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And I m not saying like that it was wrong.
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I m not.
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I kind of feel like what wasn t quite right for us.
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And by the time we were just we didn t have any
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power to go like no i didn t know that you can walk up and take the index card.
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It s not it s not actually all the time anyone s fault or a conspiracy it just now exactly.
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There s subjectivity to it but i you know i think if there s a through line let s say you and david wrote it and you had complete control over it essentially.
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like the way Adam Sandler does, then all your stand-up would come into play.
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Like, well, what s working?
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What s working?
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But if it gets muted... That s exactly right.
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And also, I was 23, Dave was 23.
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So then once we got to Chappelle Show, then it was every single decision comes through one of us.
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Yeah.
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And that s why, I mean... For better or for worse, at least you can take the credit or live or die with it.
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Yeah.
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And and so so like that was so it was me and him.
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We would write we would people a couple of people, a guy named Brian Tucker, who went on to be a great SNL writer, would pitch pitched us some sketches.
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But it would mean they would always write them ourselves.
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And so it was, you know, it was just a two person sort of
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black hole operation of like- How many sketches did you need?
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Because they were half hours, right?
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Yeah, it was 22.
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It was commercials.
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Yeah, it was 22 minutes.
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One a week?
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No, it was 22 minutes.
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Plus we had musical guests, which would end up being about three minutes.
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So we ended up needing about four or five per episode.
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And that s very hard.
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That s a lot.
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Yeah, we had to do 12 episodes.
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But here s the crazy part.
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without reruns.
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So we had to do 12 weeks in a row of four or five schedules.
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So that s where you it s just becomes like almost unbearable.
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Well, just you two.
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I mean, come on.
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Yeah.
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Writer s room is too much.
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Yeah.
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Just us.
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So it was.
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And like, like you guys said, for better or worse, there s some, some of it s great.
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The second season is way better than the first one to me.
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Um, but, uh, and to, I mean, just objectively, but, but yeah, it just became like very, so there was, so the hard part was the pressure.
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And there was no backstabbing.
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There were no politics.
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Okay.
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All your energy goes to the show.
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Yes.
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But so it s like you guys got weeks off, but the whole week off, you re thinking about what an asshole so-and-so is.
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You know, so we didn t have we had less of that, but it is just like on like so so hard to do it that many weeks in a row.
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And and then we get you know 3 months offer for between seasons, but.
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But yeah, but it s, but it s riding high.
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Yeah.
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When, when did you go?
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Well, you know, what s funny is I, I wait pertains to SNL is, uh, you guys, did you guys read that live from New York book, the Tom shales book?
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Flip through it.
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Yeah.
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So I m familiar with it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You lived it.
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So your last year, it s more like, oh yeah, is that what happened?
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But oh yeah, there s a lot of stuff you go.
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Well, that didn t happen like that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Everyone from an outsider for an outsider.
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It was interesting too.
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I didn t know.
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I genuinely didn t.
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I had never.
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And I love Scott.
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I wrote for a sketch called all that on Nickelodeon when I was
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like 20, before all that stuff.
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Yeah, with Keenan.
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Quiet on the set.
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Quiet on set, you may know, quiet on the set.
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Dude, that show is so popular.
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It s number one on HBO today.
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It s been out for like a month.
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Yeah, that quiet.
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Yeah, it s not like I had, I had a good joke on that guy that ll take us off the air.
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It wasn t about molesting.
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It was a fat shaming joke.
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So that s pretty cool.
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Okay.
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Um, the but so I never until I read a lot from New York, I never thought about like character sketches, or parodies or premise sketches.
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More like I never knew that I never kind of classified them so once I so I literally read it I I take it to go read this like before we do we gotten picked up and then he was like oh.
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So then we started approaching it like let s do a character schedule it s a premise sketch let s do.
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I mean, it was so disorganized.
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It was such a two-man operation that we had.
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We ended up having two distinctions of sketches, which is longies and shorties.
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So it was a pretty high-level operation.
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High-level lingo.
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We used to call him on the Dana Carvey Show, Presentational.
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So it s like there s a little song or a chyron that kind of gives a joke away like Germans who say nice things that I did with Steve Carell.
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It s his bit.
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It s just two guys facing, you know, the premise right away.
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Yeah.
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Two minutes of jokes.
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Yes.
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That s that s a that s a I m glad you brought that up because the.
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I remember I went to SNL while we were doing Chappelle s show and I looked at Seth and I was like, oh, now I realize having Chappelle on stage setting the sketch up beforehand does so much heavy lifting.
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You don t need to spend 80 seconds going like, here we are at a restaurant.
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I hope nothing crazy happens.
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Everyone s wondering where it s going.
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Yeah.
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So he could say like me and my wife argue about race and who does what?
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And then we can go like, so we got to have a racial draft and then toss to like everything s set up.
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Uh, which again, I think there s like you guys, but then I forgot about how great the Dana Carver show was until you mentioned it.
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Congratulations again.
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That show was incredible.
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It s nice to have a doc when you only get eight shows on the air and you get a nice documentary.
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Thank you, Josh.
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Yeah.
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You know, that kind of goes.
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Yeah.
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You know, could be worse.
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Yeah.
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Could be totally forgotten.
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Well, I was going to ask you this question based on.
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Yeah.
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You ask him bringing that up because Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert, they were not them.
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They weren t weren t who they are now.
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Yeah.
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You know, they re kind of insecure, but they were great immediately.
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And you ve known Dave so long, and forget how funny he is, just his stage presence has gone to this other level.
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I don t know how you ve watched this evolution of somebody who s that comfortable on stage and confident.
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Yeah, I don t think it s... Or has he always been that guy?
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I mean, he s kind of always been that guy.
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He was good.
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I don t know when you guys first saw him, but I heard a story
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fairly recently where Martin Lawrence, Dave s in high school on stage at Garvin s or somewhere in DC.
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And Martin Lawrence has done like do the right thing and he s come back to DC and he s doing good.
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And somebody s like, and Dave s on stage and somebody says to Martin, what do you think of this kid?
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And Martin goes, I don t know, but I can t stop looking at him.
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Like he s in high school that Dave also had a joke that I like telling people one of his high school jokes.
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When the show ALF came out, Dave had a joke.
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It s a good thing ALF landed in a white neighborhood and not a black neighborhood.
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Because if ALF had landed in a black neighborhood, two weeks later, you would have seen brothers wearing ALF skin coats.
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Skin coat.
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Pretty good joke for a kid in high school.
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So like the thing of his how natural he is and like, I don t even think it s can I don t even compare it.
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It s like, well, I m never gonna be able to do that.
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So it s not even worth
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emulating because it s like a lot of people could.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like, do you guys know of anybody that s that like, I ve literally been having conversations with him.
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Like, I don t even know when the show s starting.
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He s smoking me like Brennan.
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You don t know the now.
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What s the cigarette doesn t even put the cigarette up, just backs onto the stage while we re talking and get to standing ovation.
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Yeah.
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Like just not there s no separation between.
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being a person and being the guy on stage.
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Yeah, well, two things that are interesting to that, that I guess for a period of time post that show and everything that happened, you know, you d start to show up in clubs and I would just hear, I would hear six hour sets or four hour sets.
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I don t, you know, and so that would get someone confident anyway.
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But this is what s interesting to me, like Eddie Murphy,
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is 19, he comes out on SNL.
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So he s out of confidence.
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He s just there.
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It s unbelievable, right?
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I ll take Louis CK just because he s such a brilliant stand-up.
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He s an amazing comedian.
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And he s going through the normal thing of finding his way.
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Then 20 years later, he s at this level that you can only equal it as a stand-up.
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So it s interesting where people who get it so fast and so young, um, but we can get there, Neil, you could get there.
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I know that we start today.
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I have you booked at the West side.
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You re going to do a seven hour set, Neil, no Brennan and friends, but no one else is coming.
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No, but that s, what s funny is like, you don t.
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I, I don t, I, I, it s like how I would think of, I d say, I don t have, I bear, I have the material I have, I have 43 minutes or whatever.
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Whereas I don t, I can t like channel or whatever.
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Like spade, you seem like a very bit oriented person.
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Like you have the time you have.
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Yeah, well, I also like to do longer stories now because to eat time also and to be more personality driven bits, because some bits can be if you do it about a subject, it might have been trampled on already.
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But if you talk about your own life or your version of something that happens, that sort of identifies you and your persona.
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So those stories I like a lot because they can t be really duplicated.
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It has to be me telling them.
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So I like those in the act.
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It doesn t do well how old are there stories are there stories that you re doing that you didn t you were like could I do that in my are they new stories or is it like when I was a kid.
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Most of its new but.
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I could go back and mine stuff and say, this was funny and I can make it funnier because you learn how to tell stories better.
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But if it has like little tiny punchlines along the way and a little tent pole laughs, so it s not just a story.
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Like Norm used to tell a joke, Johnny went to school and then it s a 15 minutes and then he does the punchline.
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So it s kind of a funny walk there through the joke, but you also are like waiting for the actual,
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Funny part.
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Yeah.
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But if you can keep a story going like that, I do like that.
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I also have some one liners.
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It s really a mess, to be honest.
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But it s whatever is funny.
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He s fine.
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But I don t like doing long sets.
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I ll say that I don t like doing hour and a half.
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I don t think it s necessary.
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I don t need, I don t think people want, like my Netflix is 53 minutes.
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Like I, I, it was an hour and five live, but like, I m like, I don t.
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I m with you.
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No, I think everyone s sharing shorts and stuff.
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I think it just needs a, um, a tell I think was 35 minutes of standup, but he had people playing the recorder to extend it to 40.
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So if you go past, we were talking about this, that you can kind of,
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of ride a wave to maybe 40, but not anybody has to have that low.
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The audience gets tired, if you re lucky, from laughing.
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And then you have the low, and then you have to rebuild.
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But what I would say about you, which makes you unique, one is the three mics thing.
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It s very original, incredibly fun for a comedian to watch.
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It s just like, oh, you know, all these styles.
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And then on this one, I haven t seen anyone do it, but you re just doing regular standup.
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You re killing.
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But then all of a sudden you re talking about atheism.
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Your face goes to a little corner in black and white, I think.
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And then this sort of commercial, this big video comes on.
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I do.
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Basically, I do.
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the premise is religions should make attack ads on each other like politicians.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, and so then I do, I basically do the voiceover in the corner.
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And, uh, is there a screen in the theater?
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No, there was no screen there.
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So they re laughing because they re laughing cause of the voiceover.
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And then because this is a,
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visual presentation for people at home.
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I m like, yeah, why it s the, you know what analogy I always use is the like television degrades makes you can film an amazing thing.
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And in order for it to work through a television camera and go and work in homes, it has to be so great
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that it can get through television, like knocks the quality down 40%, right?
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And the analogy I always use is SNL musical guests.
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SNL musical guests live in that studio, I think we can all agree, some of the best shows I ve ever seen.
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Or heard, too.
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Some of the best, yes.
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Give you the chills.
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Literally, someone you don t even like will give you the chills when you watch them at 8H.
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And then if you re at home, you re like, fast forwarding.
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And that s the difference between like television just makes stuff worse.
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Like in the room, you can feel the bass in your chest.
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So in terms of like stand up, I tried to do more visual stuff on Netflix because people can watch anything.
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People can watch Batman return.
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They can watch any, they can watch
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Lip and fall videos.
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They can watch the Zapruder film.
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They can watch, they can just watch and they can watch the Godfather 2.
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They can watch like, you know, so that they can Zapruder.
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That Zapruder is bad quality.
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Cause that s it.
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It s not great quality, but you can, you can see it.
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No on TV it comes out.
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But it s pretty funny.
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And it is pretty funny.
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It s funny.
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What I was going to say was then you also did a visual effect where you re like on a big iPhone talking to us.
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Yes, I do.
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I m talking about social media.
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Spade, you would like my comedy.
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You should look at it.
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You would.
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And get influenced by it.
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Yes.
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I do.
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I talk about girls on social media and guys on social media.
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the kind of hustlepreneur thing.
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And I, Danny, you know, what s funny is I m kind of doing, I m doing Hans Bruns.
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I m doing the clap.
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I do the clap basically.
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And it took me like a year before I m like, I m doing Hans Bruns.
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I just was doing it, and then I realized, like, oh, I m doing Hansen Productions without the accent.
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But I cut to when I m doing the, like, what s up, guys?
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You want to make money?
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I go to, like, a frame, you know, like the 9-16 frame.
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So just trying to help myself on television.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it s like, it s less of a man s, it s less of a TED talk.
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It s less of one man standing there and nothing happening.
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If you do think of that way, because on the last special, when I went into the inner sanctum, they said that max people last 12, 15 minutes.
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And if you designed your standup, like the audience, the physical audience is going to start leaving.
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you would really front load it.
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And the way to win the game show is that you keep them longer than anyone else.
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But about your visual imagery, it s a little bit to me like when David and I talk on this other podcast we re doing where we re just sort of riffing and stuff.
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And I m doing a couple of voices and then we have a gentleman, young person edit it together and then mix in visual effects to it.
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And that s your YouTube short clip.
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Everyone does it.
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And it s just very potent.
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Potency is huge.
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It s just better.
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This idea that I m breaking the sanctity of standup.
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I want people to look at it.
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And all this thing about what about the history and your legacy?
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I love comedy.
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I haven t watched Richard Pryor in 25 years.
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I m not going back and looking in the like, what about it s like it did we have my net the one crazy kid was on the Netflix charts for a week.
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I can t believe it was on there that long.
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I usually it s like we get about in terms of like,
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Bring the Pain, Chris s special came out in 96, and I feel like it lasted culturally for three years.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, because analog in the 90s, yeah.
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Yeah, and even Mike Myers was saying, what this is is not the showbiz that we had all started, especially you guys who were popular.
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If you were in Wayne s world,
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This is a little different.
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Um, so, so even as a Stark standup special, it s like at a certain point, it could be Ansel Adams.
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You know, you just don t want to go, it looks great, but you, you want to get with the times too.
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So we have little clips.
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You got to jazz them up or put words, anything, anything, anything.
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People are it s Dana.
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That s a good way to think of it as like, how do I get people to
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not away.
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Imagine them walking out of it.
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Bill Burr actually said he tries to make his setup sound insane so that people will be like, what?
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where he s like, I m sick of fat people crying.
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And then you go, wait, what?
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Right, yeah.
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Every TikTok starts with, this is the craziest thing that ever happened to me.
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And then they go, let me back up.
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And you re like.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Have you guys, do you guys know about toes?
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Well, I stubbed mine.
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Has that happened to you?
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It s incredible.
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Set up, yep.
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I got really rich with crypto.
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Should I hate myself?
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You know.
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Yeah, no, that s right.
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Buy lines.
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yeah, approaching it from not even sensational, or as sensationally as you can do it and not feel like a piece of garbage.
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So that s the, even Sandler s a good example of guitars, and I m gonna put it down, and then I m gonna go over here, and it s just like, and he s got visuals.
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Yeah, he s got visuals, he s got the, his clothes are now with the thank you comedy thing.
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It s like, and he said he s gonna, he had a screen and stuff behind him, so.
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Yeah, I totally agree.
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I think it s silly to think that we should just do it the way it was done.
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Old fat, yeah, a purist would be the- Yeah, because if I m never, I m sure you guys meet people all the time who are like, have no idea who you are.
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And then you go, I remember there was a girl.
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I know.
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Let me slow down.
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No, there was a girl.
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There was a there was a girl who wrote on The Daily Show who was a black girl who didn t know that Chris Rock had a show on HBO.
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You know, like easily, easily.
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Yeah.
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How like how?
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And then you go, well, how would she know?
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She was eight when it was all right.
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Someone said, I know all your shit all the way back to grownups.
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I m like grownups.
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That was.
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10 years ago.
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I thought I was done by the time grownups came.
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Yeah.
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I go, I got new juice, juicy life on TBS.
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My fans have jumped the shark on that.
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You know, they re like in their late sixties and they re like, you know, my kids sure, sure are fans of yours.
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They are.
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Yeah.
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They were born when Wayne s world was made.
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How is that possible?
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But yeah.
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Dana, what are the, what are the bits that people bring up from Wayne s world now?
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that like the most common bits, obviously like schwing and all that stuff when it s out, but what is the.
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Yeah.
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What little ones, if you re going to spew, spew into this for me, little Garth things.
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Um, I d say for me, it d be the dream girl and being knocked over and the foxy lady dance because of the Hendrix song is very potent.
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I don t know if you ve seen the movie, but, uh, Garth, the shyest guy in town does this dance.
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Stuff like that.
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To get a hit like that is so rare.
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Talk about gratitude.
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I m gonna write that down.
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What is world?
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And Mike Myers and I and Lorne Michaels share net profit on the film.
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And so every year we get checks from that film.
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Net profit?
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Yeah.
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There were no gross players.
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People don t know that.
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You don t really make money from movies because if there s someone in there who gets 20% of the gross, they ll never turn a profit.
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We made it for 12 and it did 200 million and then it did a bunch on video.
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So that was kind of cool.
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I didn t want to say, but I took ayahuasca right before we got on this.
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God, we re timing this really well.
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I ll tell you what I learned from today s podcast.
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Sum it up, man.
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Before we let Neil go, I ll say- I m trying to think of anything else we should talk about, if there s anything I forgot.
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I was going to say, I did like that you wrote for Singled Out because I used to watch that show and Jenny McCarthy blew up.
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That was a cool, fun show, but was there any crazy thing you need to say?
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That was my first job in show business.
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That was my first writing job.
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And I remember a big show.
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It was.
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Yeah, it was like, yeah, she was on the cover of Rolling Stone.
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I really like.
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Yeah.
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And the Rolling Stone was a magazine.
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Yes.
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And people got her.
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And then it was like there were a few cultural hubs and they.
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Yeah.
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No, I remember saying during the pilot, this is this show is very stupid and it s going to be very popular.
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Like I could just sort of tell like, oh, this is going to be, yeah, I m so old.
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Neil, how old are you?
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I was, I m so old.
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I was in Las Vegas the night Tupac was murdered.
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And I ended up sitting at a blackjack table with Jenny McCarthy all night.
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playing blackjack, that s how old I am.
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I was meeting Chappelle there and he missed his flight.
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Is that how you mourned?
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Wow.
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Wouldn t be the first time.
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Or wouldn t be the last time he d miss a flight to meet me.
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And yeah, so I m quite aged.
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Yeah, you re old.
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And I think your next special should be called Cortisol and Adrenaline.
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Is that what you said?
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Cortisol?
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Yeah, Cortisol and Adrenaline.
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Negative brain chemicals.
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It should be called Be Grateful that you re about to watch Neil Brennan s comedy show.
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With a lot of extra pictures and words.
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If I do one, now I ve been thinking this way anyway, it s just going to be just blasting video and parodies.
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It should be.
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What s the downside?
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It s like nobody, nobody gets one person complained, like not even complain.
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They were just like, it kind of took me out of it.
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Everybody else knows like, this is where we are.
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Jerry Seinfeld didn t mention the video.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, didn t say like, I didn t like that.
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Like it was ever.
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Everyone s on board.
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We have to help ourselves, guys.
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I think mine might be called wait for it, because that s what every stupid TikTok says.
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Wait, watch till the end.
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Yeah, watch till the end.
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And then you go, by the way, I like when they say wait for it, and it s a six second video.
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I m like, I m here.
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Yeah, no, how bad are people s attention spans?
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Yeah, wait for six seconds.
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And then it s very anticlimactic.
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I just want to quickly do a quick test to see if we can bring Crazy Good back into the top 10.
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This is a great special.
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It s revolutionary.
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It has video effects.
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You don t believe it.
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He talks about anti-vax people, talks about Joe Rogan.
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I see.
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Sex couples.
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Psychopaths invented the world, basically, and drug addicts.
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They re very, very important.
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And, of course,
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Ayahuasca, we talk about on this.
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Of course.
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And and Ellen DeGeneres.
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I have a I have a joke about Ellen DeGeneres that I think you will like.
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And I m sure.
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Can you say it right now?
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Yeah, I ll say it right now.
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I part of this special.
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I basically, you know, people like comedians are expected to be leaders now.
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and like morally righteous, and people go, is Ellen nice?
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I was like, is Ellen nice?
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How many nice lesbians have you ever met in your entire life?
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Jim Jeffries.
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Yeah, I go after Jim Jeffries.
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Everybody gets a little something.
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I m not even, I don t go after anybody.
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Everybody was like, everyone has approved and thanked me for them.
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So like, it s all in good fun.
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Yeah, and Jim Jeffries, I don t think him because with his Australian accent when he first came on the scene, he had like a 10 minute bit.
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And I remember him saying, oh, I don t like lesbians.
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You can be having the best day of your life, a lesbian shows up, you re fucked.
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You know, something like that.
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But anyway.
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Yeah.
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Great comment.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Incredible comment.
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Thank you, Neil.
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And he s on the spectrum.
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All right, great.
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I m very happy to be here, and thank you for having me.
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You were an incredible easy guest.
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People who do podcasts are really good guests, I ve noticed.
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Yeah, I would like you both on my podcast.
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It s called Blocks.
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Spade, I don t think you re going to do it.
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It s a little too emotional.
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for you.
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Dana, on the other hand, I think is is a prime candidate.
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Yeah.
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And I m going to send some emails about it.
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Yeah, I would.
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I have a I have a story.
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I have a story.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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David has stories too.
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I don t know.
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That s a whole nother podcast of whether comedians also have some struggle.
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We re all nuts.
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I mean, obviously a lot of people do, but comedians I meet seem to have stories, a lot of them.
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Seinfeld did it yesterday.
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So I feel like Letterman s done it.
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Letterman s done it.
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And now I ve got Letterman and Seinfeld.
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I feel like anyone who passes, I m kind of like, okay, so you re better.
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Okay, buddy.
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Yeah, very good.
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All right, boys.
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Good to see you.
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Thanks, Neil.
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Miss you.
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See you soon on the street.
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Bye.
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This has been a presentation of Odyssey.
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Please follow, subscribe, leave a like, a review, all this stuff.
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Smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss, Berman of Odyssey, Charlie Finan of Brillstein Entertainment, and Heather Santoro.
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The show s lead producer is Greg Holtzman.