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This is Julie.
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Hi, Julie.
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This is the gecko guy.
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Wow.
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Hello.
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Pleased to meet you, Julie.
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Pleased to meet you too.
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How s life?
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Just fine.
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Thank you.
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Although, you know, it s always interesting.
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What s what s been interesting about it lately?
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Well, last night I had an experience, as I traditionally have from time to time through my life of what I guess I would call maybe not an alien abduction as much as
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an alien encounter.
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I ve had these through my life, as have the other women in my family through generations.
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We have had from time to time, constant miscarriages and things of that sort.
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And as I have aged in my life, I used to have difficulty accepting it.
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But now that I m older,
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I m 58 years old.
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I ve come to accept it.
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And last night s experience, I think, was perhaps the culmination of my awareness and spiritual acceptance of this phenomenon.
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And it has come full circle and has been very difficult in my life to deal with this.
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But what has happened through my life
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is, and it started when I was quite young, when I was about 13 years old, was what would appear to be very vivid dreams of being abducted in what is sort of the traditional way of being abducted, where, oh, you re laying on something, you can t move, you re helpless, you know something s happening, maybe you get some messages telepathically, things of that sort.
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Those used to cause me fear.
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But last night was the first night that I had, whether you want to call this a dream or a visit to a parallel dimension, I don t know what it is.
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This was the first time I was able to, on my own, willingly walk and enter.
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And the significance of that is this, is that I believe, now that I analyze what has happened to me through my life, that
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They have, in essence, befriended me and have helped me through my health journey.
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And I ve had some very odd medical things that have happened in my life.
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I have had cancer that turned on and off.
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And I have been at the Mayo and they couldn t figure out why it would turn on and off.
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But come to find out, I had some special genetics.
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They figured it out.
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And somehow now they know a gene that can turn cancer on and off.
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But during the time that I was having this cancer coming on and off, I would be having these vivid experiences.
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And then when I would go and have my blood test after that experience, my T cells and neutrophils and so forth would be reduced and they would be mystified why that would happen.
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Also during this time in my life, I would have a series of miscarriages.
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I ve had eight documented miscarriages.
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I always wanted to have lots of children.
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I had only two children.
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One of them is a girl.
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She s an adult now.
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I m kind of concerned about her journey that she will have because I am aware that this has been multi-generational.
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How I know it s multi-generational is an experience that I had with my aunts, my grandma, and my mom, and I ll never forget it.
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But basically, I was explaining I have this issue.
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It happens.
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And my mom and grandma looked at each other and the aunts said, you ve got to tell her.
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And they said, no, she doesn t need to be told.
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And they said, yes, it s her body.
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She needs to know.
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That s how I found out.
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But I guess that s kind of just basic of my story.
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And here s where I kind of am going with this.
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sort of wondering, am I having this experience and realization because I m supposed to do something about it?
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Am I supposed to tell somebody about it?
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If so, by the way, you re the first I have told about this, but maybe this should be something that I should let others know.
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Maybe this is something bigger than myself and this is the reason why I have this ability to recall this, feel this way and know it.
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I will say this, from my experience last night, I feel a hundred times better.
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I had some back problems and
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So forth and they re fine when I woke up So, I don t know.
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What do I do with this?
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Where do I go?
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I m 58.
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Mm-hmm.
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So you had an experience last night where you are so you ve been having these like visions of being abducted by aliens throughout your entire life, correct?
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Yes
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And last night, and normally when you have these visions, it s like sleep paralysis in a sense.
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But yesterday you were having one of these visions and you were able to actually walk around and interact with these creatures.
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Okay, and this is just this is just me trying to recap and understand what you ve told me this far Is that you believe that you ve had a recurring relationship?
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With these creatures throughout your entire life these creatures are here to help you and they ve done things such as put your cancer into remission and Fixed your back and helped you with health problems.
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Is that my understanding what you re telling me correctly?
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Yeah correct
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So here s the thing.
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So I m gonna, I m gonna tell you, very honestly, where I come from, on things like this.
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And it s for me, a bit of a dichotomy, where it s like, look,
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I m not a big, um, like, what, you know, spiritual, um, I mean, I am spiritual in a sense, but, uh, I don t, I m a bit skeptical in matters such as these, and so I approach them with skepticism, which I m sure you re familiar with telling other people about this stuff, if you have.
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But!
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On another hand, I am kind of like, well, what the fuck do I know about anything?
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You know, um, cause like, what, you know, if you re telling me that you ve, uh, you know, had these, these, these health issues, um, change, um, I m not going to say for sure that they changed because aliens changed them, but I m not going to say that I know I have an alternative explanation.
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for any of this stuff.
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Um, and so, well, okay, let me ask you this.
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So you told me that, um, you said, did you say just now that, that you haven t really talked to a lot of people about this stuff?
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No, I haven t.
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Because of what I do for a living is very, um, high power file and profile and public.
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And I can t probably afford the scrutiny unless I have
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and amenity to speak.
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Okay.
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Thus, I don t mind calling you because nobody s seeing me.
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Okay.
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And can identify me.
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Nobody can identify your voice?
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You re not high profile enough that nobody can hear your voice?
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Some people would but they probably wouldn t be watching or listening.
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I m sorry to your show.
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Okay, there s not a lot of I got I m gonna assume that you re uh, I don t know maybe you re like the that would be wouldn t that be crazy if you were like the governor of Alaska or some shit and it was like because I would have nobody listening I don t think a single person listening to this show would know what the anonymous voice of the governor of Alaska Sounds like but anyway who gives a shit about any of that?
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Okay, so but you but in your personal life you haven t talked to anybody about this.
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Oh
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No, I ve talked to my husband and I have been with him since I was 16 years old.
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And I always told him about this phenomenon.
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And he has now seen and witnessed enough to where he believes it s probably true.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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So I was going to ask what he thought of it.
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He believes that it s probably true that my miscarriages have been fetuses that are growing so that they can
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I use genetic material to form a hybrid race.
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And it fits.
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Yes.
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OK.
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Yes.
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And that is based on what I have seen and what they have shown me in some of these experiences.
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Have you ever looked into this on the Internet and seen if there s any other people who ve seen similar things?
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I have been reluctant because I don t know if I want to have my computers have that information stored as a search.
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Okay.
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Um, have you ever talked to a therapist or a doctor about this?
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No.
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Or is it like, uh, just cause you haven t gotten around to it or because you re afraid to?
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Well, at the mail, when they were looking at my DNA and they had found this gene,
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that they can trigger on and off.
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I said, well, it s my alien DNA, kind of in a joking way.
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And they didn t laugh, looked at me.
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And then he made this interesting comment.
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Well, you are O negative, but that has nothing to do with this gene that would turn on or off.
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However, I have heard just from seeing like ancient aliens on TV, watching that program,
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that people with O negative blood have special blood characteristics.
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Okay.
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So that s the closest I ve come to talking to a doctor.
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Okay.
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And you have two children, you said?
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Yes.
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And have you talked to them about this?
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My daughter knows generally, but I have not explained in depth all of the experiences that I have had.
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Because I am worried that it would cause her unnecessary concern and fear as she sleeps.
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But now I ve at least come to understand that there is nothing to fear.
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Maybe my journey has taken me to the point where last night I have had that experience so I can share that with her.
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Okay.
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All right.
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So I guess that brings us to, um, what, what you re asking is like, what do I do with any of this information?
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That s what you re trying to figure out.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Well, well, I have my own personal suggestions.
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I don t know if you ll like them, but I ll save them because I want to hear what you re thinking first.
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And then I ll tell you, um, what are you thinking you re going to do with this information?
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I think that this is beyond myself.
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It s probably something that maybe other people have experienced or can relate to, or at least would make them think.
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For instance, women who have many miscarriages, they re all negative.
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Perhaps there could be some linkage.
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Maybe there is a camaraderie that is necessary to occur here on earth so that people can understand that, yes, this is happening, but it s okay.
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At least whatever group I m involved with seems to be okay, all right?
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Who knows if there s multiple groups out there?
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That could be.
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But I also don t want to be subject to public ridicule, humility, things of that sort.
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I am a very logical, well-educated individual, and this is a subject matter that for the most part, at least historically,
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has not been accepted, although there is a more recent acceptance, especially now here we re in disclosure or so it appears for the government to disclose that we re not alone.
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Maybe this is my time.
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I don t know.
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Or maybe this is just something you keep to yourself on your journey and it is what it is and there s no reason you need to share.
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Well, here s what I was going to say is I know that you have apprehension about talking to a doctor or a therapist about this.
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But and I m not here to invalidate any experiences.
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I told you, you know, the way that I am kind of coming at this from.
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But, you know, there exist, as you know, people who spend their whole lives
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studying the brain i m sure people even who have spent their whole lives studying the brain as it relates to these kinds of uh experiences you know and so if i were you um this sounds like something that s like kind of
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bothering you, and I think it might continue to bother you until you are able to talk through it with somebody who understands that, whether that s people who ve experienced the same thing as you, that you
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Find it some way or whether that s you know with a therapist a psychiatrist a doctor Who kind of specializes in helping people who ve you know?
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experienced these kinds of things and I know you re afraid of you know, I don t know who you are what s going on, but I
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I don t think you should be afraid of getting help with this big thing that s going on in your brain.
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You know?
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And I don t know what s... I m not you.
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I don t have your central nervous system.
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I don t know what s exactly stopping you from doing that, but that is what I would do if I were you, is to find some assistance from somebody who knows what the hell they re talking about.
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But just seeking those individuals, doesn t that, in a way, commit me to not being mentally stable by the fact that I share that information?
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Isn t that how it is viewed from a therapist or psychological point of view currently?
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First of all, who gives a shit how it s viewed, you know?
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That s a like... You know, who cares how it s viewed?
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And also, you know, look, like, whether you re mentally unstable or not, it s like why... The reasons that you re giving me to not do this are founded upon, like, fear of what other people might think, and I don t think that s a good reason to not get help.
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I agree that makes logical sense.
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And if there s like, if there s like a fear of like, even to yours, not even, okay.
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And even if we were going to say like, okay, you know what?
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This isn t about what other people think.
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This is about my understanding of myself.
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And if I go further down this route and I,
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start to now have this understanding of myself where like i m not mentally stable it s like one we don t know that you know we re jumping ahead to conclusions that we don t even know and then two even if that is the case so fucking what everyone in this fucking country is mentally unstable you know that s not the worst thing to to be um
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So I don t I understand where your fears are coming from, both in how leading down this route might make you feel about yourself and how going down this route might make other people feel about you.
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But I don t think that either of those are good reasons to not go down the road of getting some help with this thing that s bottling in your brain, if that makes sense.
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It does.
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Can I share one other fear I have?
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Go ahead.
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The other fear is, what if by sharing this, that somehow it gets shared to whatever group within the government, if it is within the government or elsewhere, that may want to know this and exploit it.
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I m not a conspiracist theorist.
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I try to be logical, impartial, view things openly.
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In the event that that could put myself in danger or my bloodline, I don t know if that s a reasonable fear.
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So you re afraid that, and I m just, let me, I just want to understand.
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You re afraid that if you go seek help or assistance with this, that the government will take notice and people within the government will put you or your family in danger as a result.
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Yes, and it may not be with the government.
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It may be you know some other group or entity, but correct Okay Well I look I m I m an optimistic guy.
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You know I m a try.
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I like to trust when I
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can and I I do not think that that will happen I I still don t think that s a compelling reason to not get help with this issue you know I just think the likelihood if we were to just like be logical about this the likelihood of
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of that is significantly lower than not, I think.
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So again, I understand these fears, but I hope you re able to overcome them and get help with this issue for your sake and for your family s sake.
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Thank you.
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If it can be, but yes.
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I don t know how they can help me get over a fear.
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I think I ve come to acceptance that I shouldn t be afraid.
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And that just recently happened.
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But I m just wondering if maybe it s not a therapist I should speak to, but somebody who does research in this area that I could share this story that they might be able to learn from or share or find commonalities with other stories.
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and therefore help progress mankind and their relationship, if we have any, with those that aren t from here.
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Do you know anyone like that?
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And also, also, God damn it, Jules, I m going to say something crazy.
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Why not both?
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Yeah, there s 24 hours in a day.
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You could go to therapy on Wednesday and, um, you know, the, the alien scientists on Thursday.
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Why not?
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Why not both?
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Right, right.
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There s just so much time though.
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And I, I have quite a commitment of, uh, work obligations.
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Um,
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And so I have to decide where to spend my time, but I d love to, if this is something that is important enough, share it, because I can share it unclouded based on what it is that I do for a living.
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I m very objective.
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So I don t know.
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The Lord puts you places for a certain reason at certain times, and I don t know if this is my time to do something.
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And so I kind of looked for guidance when I saw that you re on.
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I thought, okay, I will just text and say, and if you call me up, then it was meant to be.
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And you ve helped me explore this, helped me feel more comfortable with talking about it.
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Understanding I shouldn t be afraid.
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The fact that you didn t laugh at me or scoff or criticize or ridicule,
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provides me some hope that others wouldn t as well and gives me greater confidence dealing with and exploring and talking about this.
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Good, good.
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Jules, you have friends and family and they want you to live happily and peacefully, you know, and I think you would be happier and more peaceful if you expressed these things and particularly express them to the people out there who could help you.
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So I ll say that much and I hope that you gleam that from this conversation.
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I have, and I thank you very much.
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I appreciate you and everything you do and the advice that you gave me and as well as others.
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Bless you.
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Thank you.
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Jules, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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Hey, y all rock.
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We re all in this together.
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I m glad that we re all here watching and learning and expanding what it is that we know.
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in doing so, finding out that the world is smaller and more relatable.
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That would be all I d have to say.
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Thank you very much.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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You too.
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You too.
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Yep.
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Bye-bye.
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So this is interesting.
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We had another caller on this show with something kind of similar.
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Maybe this is similar, maybe this is similar, but I don t know.
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There was this guy, I don t know if anyone remembers this from a few podcasts ago, but there was this guy who was afraid that time travelers from the future were out to get him, and he was convinced that there were time travelers from the future that were out to get him.
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And I, after that call, I like, I went, I looked around on the computer about it and, um, I, it s like a thing for people to, it s called like gang stalking or some shit like that.
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And I was like looking on Wikipedia and it was like, Oh, this is a thing that people experience.
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Um, and I m not a conspiracy guy.
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I m a pretty strong face value guy.
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And I m, I m sure the truth is somewhere in between the conspiracies and the people who take things at face value.
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Um, but, uh, anyway, I don t know.
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I would think if jewels were to go talk to, um,
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I don t know.
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I don t I don t know I like to always think there s like someone who like you know has worked with people who ve had visions like this or or more specifically people who had like uncomfortable paranoia and and Fear based off of this you know she s obviously not the only person ever in the world to you know have have these kinds of fears and paranoias and experiences and and there are people out there who ve
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Helped other people who ve experienced this stuff, so I hope she finds those people Hold on I have to sneeze The government activated the sneeze chip in my brain just now I hope she finds those people and I hope everything works out and Yeah, I m a gecko
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I don t know, that s the thing.
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I don t, I don t, I don t, I don t, uh, I don t know.
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There could be aliens.
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There s probably aliens.
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I mean, there s, it s a huge world we live in.
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There s probably aliens.
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I don t know if they re hanging out here on earth.
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I certainly don t know if they re like little green guys who are visiting us and fucking.
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I, here s the boring answer.
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I think there are aliens, but I think that the aliens are like single celled organisms.
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Like, it s not anything cool.
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I don t know if there s other, like, intelligent life.
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I think there s mainly just, like, fuckin ... Like, bacteria and stuff.
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It s pretty- it s kinda lame.
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It s not, like, a science fiction thing.
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But, um... Anyway.
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Alright.
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Thanks for calling, Jules.
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Hello.
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Hi, what s your name?
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Oh my god.
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No fuckin  way.
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What s up?
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Uh, I don t know, give me a name.
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Um, Todd.
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Okay, what s up?
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Well, Todd, how s life?
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How s sounding like RG Plaza?
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How s sounding like who?
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Nevermind.
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Todd, what s up?
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How can I get you today?
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Um, well it s fucking 2.30 in the morning.
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I m like, really anxious about going to work tomorrow.
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What do you do?
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I m a teacher.
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Oh, what, uh, what, what, what, uh, level, what like age group.
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I teach kinder through fifth grade.
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You teach kindergarten through fifth grade.
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I do.
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I teach art.
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Um, what, uh, like, so you teach multiple different grade levels.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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When there s an art teacher in a school, usually they teach like a whole group of kids.
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So like either K through five or K through eight or you know, all of high school.
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I don t want to sound offensive when I say this, and you can tell me if I do, but I would think, like, the fact that you re gonna have, like, less brain power tomorrow, because you stayed up until 3 o clock in the morning, would actually be helpful for your job, because it would, like, dumb you down to the level of a fifth grader.
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And you would be able to, like, understand their artistic visions a little bit better.
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Does that- is that fair to say?
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Um, honestly, maybe.
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It s, it s tough, but it s just like, I feel like as an art teacher, I shouldn t have to have this stress that I m having because, you know, I chose to be an art teacher because I was like, I want to be chill.
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I want to be cool.
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I want to make art with my kids.
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But like, this has been horrible.
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Like it s, it s been, how long has it been horrible?
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Um,
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this year.
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So I teach like in an inner city school and the kids are just insanely disrespectful and it s just like
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It s crazy.
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And I ve been I ve been I fucked up.
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I talk shit about my school to perhaps the wrong people.
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And the vice principal came up to me and she was like, I heard that you been talking shit.
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And should we look for a new teacher?
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Basically, talking shit.
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And you didn t think that I would hear it.
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Sorry, keep going.
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I love that.
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But no, that now I m just like anxious to go in tomorrow.
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I m like, what am I going to walk into?
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Um, okay.
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So you were, let s get a handle on this.
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Who were you talking shit to that you shouldn t have been talking shit to?
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And what did you say in your shit talk?
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You know what?
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I can t even answer that because I fucking hate it there so much.
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I don t even have a classroom.
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You hate it there so much that there was so many different things you could have been talking shit about that you can t remember which one it was.
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Is that what you re saying?
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I know.
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No, I mean, I never truly said that I hate it, except like to my friends.
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But I have said like, you know, I m tired of it.
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Or like, it s been noted that I m calling out often, even though, look, listen, listen to this.
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I got 10 days off in the beginning of the year to take 10 days off.
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They re like, these are your 10 days off.
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And then they reprimanded me for taking seven of the 10 days off.
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They re like, we haven t even been in school for seven months.
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So why give me the days off?
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I was gonna, look, here s the thing.
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If a teacher, I think like, all right, so the vice principal was like, maybe we should look for a new teacher, but wouldn t somebody who hates their job and yet continues to stay, wouldn t that be, isn t that like a sign of perseverance?
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Isn t that a good thing?
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I mean, it s not a good thing for the person staying, but like you could flip it like that.
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You could be like, listen, I hate this school.
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I hate these kids, but here I am, alright?
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Good luck getting a new fucking teacher.
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That s the worst.
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I m constantly like, fuck these kids.
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But also at an individual level.
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They re so great.
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They re so sweet.
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But like, as a whole, they really do suck.
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Why do they suck?
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Why do you hate them?
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Like, there s no type of parenting going on.
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Why do they suck?
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Why do you hate them?
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They re just... I, like... For example, I have like this one class.
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And it s it s art.
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It should be fun.
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It should be easy.
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It s elementary art.
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It should not be this stressful like I said but like it took one of my grades like two months to complete one art project because they wouldn t just shut up and Let me talk Or get materials out or like I m bringing materials out and then they re brick coming back broken and then I m I
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Can t I m unable to get new materials Do people ever like throw shit at you because there s a lot of things to throw.
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There s like paint.
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Does anyone ever throw paint at you or anything?
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No, I think that would be it for me I m like on such a last line that I m like, I feel like if one kid just throws paintbrush at me That s it.
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I m walking out
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I, um, when I was in high school, um, there was a kid in one of my art classes who, like, he made the teacher cry once because he was, like, acting out in class, and so the teacher sent him to the principal, and, um, he was, like, leaving, and he yelled at her, and he was like, yeah, at least I m not a fucking art teacher.
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And then he left, and she cried.
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It was kind of sad.
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That s awful.
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I mean, I, I felt like crying, not anymore.
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Now I m like, okay, past like the wanting to cry stage.
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But it s like, I ve also, I m realizing maybe I m not meant to work full time.
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So something else that I texted you about is like, I was, um, I used to be an Airbnb host, maybe not like in a completely legal way.
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How so?
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Oh, did you do that Airbnb arbitrage shit where you like rented a place and then Airbnb d it?
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Um, kind of.
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I lived in the apartment and then we like rented the second room in that apartment.
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Okay, so you did the Airbnb arbitrage shit where you rented a place and then Airbnb d it?
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Yeah, but we didn t like fully Airbnb the place, like we lived there at the same time.
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So it was like half.
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Illegal, maybe it definitely said in our lease to not air B&B it and we still air B&B the room now totally illegal Totally you did the air B&B arbitrage thing where you rent the place and then air B&B it out when you re not supposed to yeah, I know that cuz I before I started doing this I
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Like I had a solid few months of time like right before I graduated college where I was like, oh my god What am I going to do?
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For money when I graduate college and so I I skimmed a lot I looked into a lot of different schemes and this was a scheme.
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I got pretty close to doing I feel like it s not scheming if you re surviving I feel like it s Nothing happened
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But the whole point of it, the whole survival aspect, it allowed me not to have a full-time job for like six years.
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Yeah.
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Six years?
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Yeah.
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Oh, so you were chilling doing Airbnb arbitrage for six years and your landlord didn t find out for six years?
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Yeah.
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I don t know how.
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Wow.
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Yeah, we were really lucky.
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But like I waitress like to like support myself, but like I wasn t fully chilling Okay, so you did the Airbnb so that you did the Airbnb thing to like alright This will pay for my rent and then the waitress thing.
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Yeah, this will pay for like other random bullshit Yeah, and I was still art teaching.
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I really enjoyed what I do And you were doing this for six years Yeah, how old are you now?
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I m 30
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Um, man.
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So do you, why did you quit?
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Did the landlord find out?
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Um, no COVID happened.
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And actually we, when COVID hit, we had a, an Airbnb guest.
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She was from Greece and she was like eight months pregnant about to pop.
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I think she did some like conducting and our fear was like, oh my God, we re going to go through this pandemic with a fucking baby.
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that this Greek lady is gonna have in our apartment.
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Holy shit.
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But she left, so that was good.
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That wasn t, a baby was not part, a Greek little baby was not part of the scheme.
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No, it was not.
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It was not.
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So, why did you quit?
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Like, the pandemic just kinda fucked up the scheme?
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Yeah, I m like pretty delicate, like health-wise.
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So, my boyfriend was like, hey, let s not have random people in here.
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Don t get sick and don t die.
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Okay, but the pandemic is over.
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In some states, it kind of never even happened.
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So would you go back to doing it now?
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I no longer live in that apartment, so we can t.
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Okay.
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So I had to, like, after the pandemic happened, I was like, oh shit, graduate college.
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And it was time to find a real job.
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So this is only like my third year.
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working full-time and tonight I actually had the realization I was like maybe I m not meant to work full-time.
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Like at the same place for five days a week.
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There s lots of schemes out there if you want to keep scheming there s I looked into several schemes and who knows what the future looks like for me I might have to go back to fucking scheming at some point but like there s if you don t want to work a real job you can scheme.
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I know but I don t want to do it the good way.
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No, by the way, a scheme, I mean, you can like, by the way, when I say a scheme, I don t mean something illegal.
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I just mean like, you know.
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Yeah, I feel like I m relating scheme to scam.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I m not a scam.
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I m just saying like, okay, I m talking like Ed, Edd n Eddy shit, where they re like, let s build a water park out of cardboard to make 25 cents for a jawbreaker.
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Like, that s a scheme.
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Like, I m talking, you know, little rascally shit.
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Like, buy a fucking, you know, jet ski and rent it out kind of shit.
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Just like schemes.
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That s cool.
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I like the jet ski idea.
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Do it.
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It s easier than ever to not work a full-time job.
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You just got to scheme a little bit.
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Do you have money saved up?
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Do you have little scheme capital?
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I m trying.
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I m like working like four jobs right now.
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And I m going to school.
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I m working myself like a fucking horse.
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I mean, landlording, you could do that.
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It s a scheme.
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I mean, we want to have like a little Airbnb business, but... Yeah.
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That takes money.
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Yeah.
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That takes down the road money.
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Well, let s see.
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I mean, I m kind of doing a scheme right now.
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Again, scheme s not a scam.
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A scheme, but it is like a scheme.
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Like to me, a scheme is like just any kind of wacky thing that one may do to avoid getting a real job.
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Hmm.
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I don t know.
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I have really weird part-time gigs or I ve had weird part-time gigs.
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Like I write a bunch of envelopes for this person to like enter some sort of sweepstakes.
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And I write like a thousand of them.
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I m sorry.
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You worked for somebody entering sweepstakes for them?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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That s such a fucking scheme, dude.
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Somebody, you could literally, hold on, how much did they, can I, you don t have to tell if you don t want to, but can I ask how much they paid you?
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Shit.
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If you did the math, it was like, maybe like $10 an hour.
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I no longer do that.
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Did they, did they ever win the sweepstakes?
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If you do the math, cause you, oh, I don t know.
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So I think he like hires writers to do it for different people.
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So you re doing it for the,
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third person, I think he s doing the scheme.
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No, he s scheming hard.
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He s absolutely scheming.
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Dude, the idea of like, all right, let me pay, let me spend $50 to have somebody spend five hours submitting a thousand entries into a sweepstakes so that my $50 flips into like, I don t know, $10,000 or whatever the sweepstakes would work.
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You know, you could do that shit.
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You could scheme.
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I literally felt like I was getting carpal tunnel, and I cannot get carpal tunnel because I m a painter, so I m like, this is not happening.
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But you could do that.
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You could be the person paying somebody $50 to enter the fucking Nickelodeon hotel sweepstakes for you.
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That feels fucked up, because he paid me shit.
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Well, what would be an ethical scheme for you?
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I don t know.
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I never thought about scheming.
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You schemed.
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You schemed for six years.
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You schemed.
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Well, it kind of just happened.
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We just had the room and we re like, why don t we just do this?
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And it just happened.
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And it was great, it was beautiful.
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I loved it.
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I love posting people.
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Just go on YouTube and search, like, 100 ways to make money.
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I just deleted YouTube.
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You just deleted YouTube?
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By the way, those guys are scheming, the guys who... Because here s the thing, you go on the YouTube fucking channel of the guy who made the video of 100 ways to make money, and that video is a scheme.
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He s fucking making money off of you.
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Oh my god, it s like AI happy PTSD.
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Yeah, he makes a video with chat GPT on how to make money and then you watch it and he gets AdSense revenue like everyone s it s a fucking giant Fucking it s the circle of scheming game.
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It s just a scheme universe.
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I Think this is an excuse for me not to go to work tomorrow.
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I
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just pondering the scheme of it all.
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Dude, just, yeah, call out of work and, uh, okay, do this.
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What?
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No, I mean, don t do this.
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Don t do whatever you want, but you know, you could call it a work and then just spend, you know, five hours, uh, looking on the internet for various scheme ideas.
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Don t buy anyone s course.
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You re gonna run into a lot of people selling courses on how to do their schemes, but the course is the scheme.
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My friends told me to... This is so funny.
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My friends told me I should start streaming, myself painting, but I m painting with my feet.
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Can you do that?
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No, I don t want to do that.
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No, I was going to ask you, do you have... Oh, I was going to ask you, do you have that skill?
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Do you have the skill to paint with your feet?
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I don t think I do.
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Oh, well.
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I ve never tried.
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I don t want to try.
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Well, shit.
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No, I know what I can do for money, but I don t want to quit teaching after this year.
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Do you like any of the kids?
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Are any of them cool?
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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When it comes down to it, and I m really looking at them at an individual level, they re all really great kids.
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But you can t stuff
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30 something kids into a classroom and have that be like a valid environment.
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Yeah, that s a you re not going to win a 30 v one that says I m fighting kids.
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I m like, I really asked him.
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I m like, why are we arguing right now?
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Well, I guess you got to like appeal to him like what like I you know I remember like when I was in high school or even in college even and you know it just in the educational system like Here s the thing.
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I guess nobody ever and maybe this won t work, but I m just saying What I remember from my time in the educational system is I just wish like before
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You know, you got up there and started talking about the Civil War, or, um, you know, chemistry, or the quadratic formula.
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I just wish, like, every class started with a little bit of, like, hey, just before we, just, no textbooks, we re not gonna do anything, just, does everyone just, if I could just talk to you guys, this is people right now, just real quick, here s why you should give a shit about what I m talking about.
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You know, just give me that first so that I can go, okay, here s why I should learn Spanish.
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Here s why I should learn about American history.
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They don t do that.
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They just go right into it.
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They just go right fucking into it as if you re supposed to give a shit.
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Go ahead.
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What were you going to say?
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Yeah, no, no, that might ve worked when you were a kid or when I was a kid, but I feel like now the kids are so like on the shorts, on the TikTok, on like the high dopamine thing that like when they go into the real world,
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That dopamine is not there anymore.
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Oh yeah.
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And they re struggling.
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Yeah.
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Terrifying.
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Like that s the true issue there.
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Terrifying.
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Terrifying to think about.
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Oh, that s why I just quit YouTube and like I quit.
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I m off all social media right now.
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And that like withdrawal, holy shit.
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I mean, especially the fact that, I mean, you re talking about like, I mean, are you running into like first graders who are addicted to TikTok?
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Oh my god.
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So I walk into my classroom.
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It s all just like TikTok sounds.
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Oh my god.
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That s horrible.
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Like they ll just run through it all.
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Damn.
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And it s so depressing because it s not gonna get better.
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It s not.
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And it s not even their fault.
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Like, I know, it s just like, I just feel like this is no longer my issue.
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And it s like, I don t want to deal with it.
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Isn t that crazy?
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I love what I do, but like not here.
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Isn t it crazy that all this shit is so like, like kids being like TikToks only four years old, like, yeah, widespread smartphone usage by every person on the earth is like,
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only really like, you know, 15 years old, maybe.
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And yet, we re literally guinea pigs for it.
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It s fucking fucked up.
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It s really crazy.
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It is fucked up.
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Wait, what?
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Nevermind.
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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Like, like, yeah, actually, when I was texting, I was like, am I going to get myself into deeper shit for wine texting and calling?
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I was like, there s no fucking chance he s gonna call me.
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And now here I am, sat up on my bed in the middle of the dark.
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I might regret this.
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Well, are you going to go to your job tomorrow or are you going to call out and are you going to call out?
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I have run out of my days, so I just have to do it.
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Well, they gave me 10 days in the beginning of the year and unfortunately I used up all of them.
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I didn t even mean to use one of them, like I had them all carefully planned out, but then that earthquake happened.
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I was a pussy and I ran home.
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Well, Todd, was this conversation helpful for you in any way, shape, or form?
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It was.
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Cool.
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I m gonna scheme.
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Yeah, go scheme.
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I m really like let me know what you came up with because if you re just like like I would love to get a Like an Instagram DM from you a year from now being like hey, I sell chess pieces on Amazon now I mean I do a whole lot of
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shit like I can Instagram DM you right now and I just like I have my own paint business like I do like paint and sips for like kids and adults I sell my paintings well I try to sell my paintings I m an artist you re an intermediate schemer already so you you ll be fine if you decide you want to scheme yeah I mean I was born and raised in New York like born and raised schemer well born and raised trying to do what I can for money and survive Todd is there anything else you want to say to the people the computer before we go
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I ve always thought about this.
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Delete your TikToks.
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That dobovine, like, downward spiral, that s bad.
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That s not something we should be feeling.
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Take care, Todd.
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Good luck.
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Thank you, Geck.
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And here I am, conducting the biggest scheme of all time.
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Dressing up as a gecko and convincing people to quit their jobs so that I could put ads in between the calls.
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Hello folks, it s Lyle here.
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That s the end of this episode, but get this, I m releasing a bonus episode.
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this week.
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That s right, an entire extra hour of the podcast that you can listen to by becoming a premium member of Therapy Gecko over at therapygecko.supercast.com.
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Supercast subscribers get access to bonus episodes, they get a completely ad-free podcast feed of the regular show, they get recordings from my live shows, members-only streams, and they help support my ability to continue doing this podcast.
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So here s a clip from this week s members only bonus episode.
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Why did you move from Africa to Canada?
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To find a job.
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So yeah, that s not going very well.
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I m unemployed right now.
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I moved like 10 months ago to Canada.
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And I m just so miserable.
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I regret it so much, but it s like a big investment for me to return my life.
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So, I don t know what to do.
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Go back home or keep struggling here.
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If you want to hear this full conversation, you can sign up to become a premium member at therapygecko.supercast.com or find the link in the episode description.
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That s therapygecko.supercast.com.
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Alright, I have nothing else to say.
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He s teaching you how to live your life, but he s not really an expert.