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cannot go wrong with dry brushing.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur.
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A very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to The Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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Aha!
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There s a lot of things that I learned about myself in a lot of ways that I ve grown.
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Obviously, there s a ton of negative stuff that comes with being on a show like Housewives, but you know what doesn t kill you makes you stronger?
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I feel like that sort of pertains to Housewives, for me anyway, because it was very difficult.
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I m not a confrontational person.
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There s no handbook.
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I couldn t even give someone advice based on my experience.
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It s very, very difficult.
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The only thing I would say through and through is be yourself and not be afraid to have an opinion.
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I have a list of guests who I want on the podcast, who I m dying to have on, and one of those people on that list was Dorit Kemsley.
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You may recognize her as a multi-talented personality on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
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She s also a fashion designer and, in my opinion, one of the most stylish housewives.
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On this episode, we talk all the things.
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We talk about how she puts her outfit together, the trauma that she experienced when her house was broken into while her kids were in the home, housewives, the true story of her housewives  persona,
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And she clears the air on a bunch of rumors.
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And it s very much in line with her multifaceted personality.
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I do have to tell you, she walked in head to toe looking so stylish.
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And she gives some really good tips this episode.
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I also got more of her secrets on my TikTok.
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So make sure you check out at Lauren Bostic.
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We ll get into how she traveled the entire world and finally settled in Italy, where she helped expand a swimwear company into a global business and remain there for 10 years.
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She also has the brand Beverly Beach, which offers swim, athleisure and home vacation products.
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Let s welcome Dorit, a total style and fashion icon to the Him and Her show.
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This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.
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OK, we re we re live.
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We re here.
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I m going to say and I m a huge housewives connoisseur that you have the best style.
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Thanks, Lauren.
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I mean, I know you hear that a lot.
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You are a bigger brat than me about style.
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Oh, really?
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Oh, yeah.
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OK, what do you think, Michael?
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No, I think your style is phenomenal.
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I like when someone has been thoughtful putting something together.
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We know.
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But as not taking something off of a rack and been like, this is what the brand put together on a runway show.
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Right.
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That sounds a little snobbish when I say it.
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But no, it doesn t.
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But he s such a brat.
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Absolutely.
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You know what he told me?
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Like probably like three years ago, he goes, I can t be next to you if you re going to wear that.
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You have to get it tailored.
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Oh, I love that.
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Well, because, you know, I have a rule.
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I don t know if I want to say it, but I m already just going to get torn apart.
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See, you thought the audience was going to tear you apart if you said something wrong, but this is going to be me getting torn apart.
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I don t like
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when anyone, I won t even say women, when anyone puts an ensemble together where it s like baggy, baggy.
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I feel like if you re gonna do a baggy top, you do a tight bottom, if you do a tight top, you do a baggy, like vice versa, or tight.
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I think tight tight s okay, actually.
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But- I understand what you re saying, I do.
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So she puts together these big baggy things, I m like, where s the figure here?
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I can t see anything, what s going on?
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Yes, that s a very male, my husband s the same way, and I understand it, because, I mean, your wife has a gorgeous figure, and you wanna see it.
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There are those exceptions, though, where it s a look and it s a cool look.
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I mean, there s a menswear look, you know, where you ve got a baggy suit, you know, or baggy trousers and, you know, the row does it a lot.
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I love the row.
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It s becoming a classic now.
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Yeah.
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And I think that you can, I think even a woman can wear that and you can still see the figure.
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But don t you feel like you still have to get it tailored?
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Well, I think some things you do need to get tailored.
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I m big on fit, big.
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I mean, a lot of the designers or clothes that I wear, and really I choose designers sometimes because of the tailoring, but I think the fit is, it s everything.
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How much goes into what you plan?
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Because it s not like you just rolled out of bed and like went in your closet.
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This is like thought out.
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It s almost like an art project, a creative outlet for you.
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Totally.
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And I enjoy it.
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So it really depends on the day.
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A lot of thought goes into it.
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Sometimes it s quick and easy.
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I have the idea in my head and I m like, okay, I want to do this.
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And then I just kind of put it together.
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It s not something that takes hours upon hours because it s not my first rodeo.
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I m used to this and like I said, I enjoy it.
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So I m always thinking about clothes and outfits and things.
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But it definitely takes time.
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It s not a joke.
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I mean, even down to like your loungewear look with like the glasses.
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Oh, I love you, Lauren.
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I love it.
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I love the style.
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I notice all of it.
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You do.
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I love it.
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See, I appreciate someone that appreciates it.
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It s a detail.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Because, yeah, people don t really realize that genuinely every little piece that I put, even down to a pinky ring, is thought, it s thought about.
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I think that what I like about it is that it s so much effort to look effortless.
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Do you know what I mean?
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So well said.
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And I think anything like that, even if you build a business, it s so much effort to make it effortless and I think people don t realize that.
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I think we appreciate any time people put their own creativity into anything they re passionate about and it s executed well.
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It could be anything.
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Absolutely.
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You know what I mean?
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I agree.
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I feel the same way.
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I like when things are effortless.
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So, you know, you can actually be putting a lot of effort into something, but it looks effortless.
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And I think that s the goal.
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And it s usually the goal for me.
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Tell us about how you grew up.
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Have you always had an eye for creativity and design?
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Like what was your childhood like?
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So I grew up in a very traditional home.
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My parents are not American.
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So it was a very international home.
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I ve always enjoyed fashion.
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I remember when I was old enough and, you know, I was one of those girls that developed early on.
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So I had a body, you know, of an 18 year old girl at like 11, 12, my poor dad.
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So I used to go into my mother s closet and she had great fashion.
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She had a great figure.
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I used to go to middle school, like sixth grade, wearing my mother s clothes.
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But I would go in wearing something that she would wear, like in the evening.
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And my teachers would always comment, like, Doreen, you know, wow, you really love to get dressed up.
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So I ve always enjoyed it.
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I wouldn t say that from a little girl, I always knew I wanted to go into fashion.
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It was just something I enjoyed and I liked to put my spin on things.
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So I would sew a patch on something or put safety pins or put a glove.
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I kind of would, I used my creativity to make it my own.
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And I think I still try to do that today.
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What were you like before you met P.K.?
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Goodness, I was engaged twice before P.K.
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Oh, popular.
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Oh, goodness.
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Engaged, never married?
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Never married.
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Always walked away.
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Yeah, I was dubbed the runaway bride.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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I should have got some engagements.
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Too late for you, Lauren.
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So you were engaged twice.
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I was engaged twice.
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Listen, I spent
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About nine years in Europe, living in Italy, right after university, college, I went to Italy.
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OK, I m going to back up.
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And, you know, my husband s here and me being long winded, it s it s a real thing.
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We re on a podcast.
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Be long winded.
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OK.
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Wonderful.
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Do long winded.
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Go.
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I had a desire to see the world.
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You know, I always did from a very young age.
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I loved different cultures and languages.
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And I grew up in a house with, you know, many different languages.
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So I had a draw to it.
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I decided second year in college that I wanted to study abroad.
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So I decided to go to Italy and I ended up staying an additional semester, took a semester off of college and I worked in Italy.
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And I fell in love with Italy, everything about it, especially the fashion.
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Midway through the second semester, I got a phone call from my mother that my father had gone in
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with a tummy ache and he ended up having his gallbladder removed and then his heart dropped.
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And long story short, he had to have open heart surgery.
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So I raced back home.
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I got back into college and he s okay, thank God, but it brought me back to America.
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And I always had this kind of longing for Italy.
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Like I knew I would go back there.
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My last year of college, I was on vacation and I met some people.
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who we stayed in touch with.
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I had about six months left until I graduated.
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Towards the end of finishing college, I got a phone call saying, this is a friend of mine, his father had a swimwear business in Italy.
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And he said, I m going back to take over the family business and we re looking to start an international marketing division.
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And we need an English speaking person.
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My degree is in marketing, advertising and communications.
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So I decided to go work in Italy.
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I thought what would be six months or a year and learning Italian, it ended up being nine years that I was there.
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Almost a decade.
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Where in Italy?
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I was all over.
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So I was in Florence, I was in Rome, I was in Milan for a bit, I was on the Amalfi Coast.
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And you speak six languages, right?
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Five.
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Five.
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Okay, but this is, I feel like they don t show this on the show.
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I watched the show and I had no idea that you lived there for nine years.
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That s a long time.
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I know.
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Like, of course, the cultures are gonna, you re gonna be immersed in that.
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I know, exactly.
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And also how much it s affected just me as a person, who I am, my style.
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Totally.
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The way I am.
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I mean, you spend your 20s, essentially, which is what I did in another country, in Europe.
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You know, I think with regards to the show and the cast, they like to poke fun and tease, right?
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So if we re in another country, it s like, oh, Dorit s speaking another language or so on.
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It s a part of who I am.
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It s what I enjoy.
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But really, my background and who I am and what
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how I became who I am is not something that the show ever really covered.
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If I could speak five other languages, you better bet your ass that I would be speaking those languages in the country when I m there.
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Well, yeah, like even outside the country.
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I mean, if I if I meet an Italian or I have the opportunity to speak a language, you could like brush up on it, too.
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I love it, Lauren.
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I love it.
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I don t blame you.
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One of our best friends went abroad and went to Paris and then bounced around and he speaks fluent French.
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He does the same thing that you do, like wherever he can speak it, he s like dying to speak it.
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Yeah, I always envy it because I m like, man, it s so cool to just be able to like transition to that.
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Whenever we travel with him, it s fun because you can just, you can automatically start communicating with the local.
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Well, that was one of the reasons why I loved, I was so drawn to learning different languages because I d love to travel and I thought
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be able to go places and to communicate.
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And when I had first gotten to Italy, when I took this job, it was the first time in my life where I was with people that I couldn t communicate.
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I didn t know what they were saying and I couldn t say anything.
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I mean, God, PK, you would have loved that.
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I was forced not to speak, you know, but I,
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And PK s here.
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Michael s the speaker in our relationship.
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Is he?
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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You talk so much, I ve never seen anything like it.
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Taylor.
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Really?
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I don t know, I think it s like we... I mean, I do talk a lot.
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You do.
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I don t speak before 10 a.m.
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Oh, I love that.
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I m just saying, PK.
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Wait, do you have kids, Lauren?
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Yeah.
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Four and almost two.
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I d really try to I m just like it s too intense.
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I need coffee.
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I know.
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No, I listen.
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I m not a big huge morning person myself Okay, give me a minute.
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I know me up before you fuck.
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I got one speed.
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It s like go I wake up.
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I m ready.
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I m ready to go That s yeah, that s our daughter
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But anyway, back to languages.
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No, I love it.
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I mean, I still I want to learn as many as I can.
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And one of the so in while I was in Italy, I started working for this swimwear resort wear company.
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And one of their goals was to expand and sell abroad.
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So I, I got involved in the manufacturing and the design and the sales because
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in fashion, and in Europe especially, you know, there s a part of the year where you re focused on manufacturing, and then a part, they all overlap, and then a part where you re on design.
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So I was, slowly but surely, I became a part of every, every facet of the business.
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I, when I moved back to the States, I opened my own company, Dury International, which was a swimwear, resortwear brand.
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It is this, are you simultaneously meeting P.K.?
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Are you guys already married at this point?
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Still haven t met P.K.
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Still haven t met him yet.
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So you re an entrepreneur through and through?
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Through and through.
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Yep, started my own business.
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And in fact, it s a really funny story.
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This is how the stars were aligned when Pete and I met.
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We met, I think I had been back from Italy about three or four years.
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So I had already finished my second
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engagement.
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I had two engagements before PK.
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Third time s a charm.
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Third time s a charm, exactly.
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And I was never, I wasn t that girl that was desperate to get married.
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I just... That makes you, but they want you more though.
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When you re not desperate to get married, they want you more.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Well, I, I, I loved life.
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I wanted to experience.
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I wanted to have a full life.
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And as far as kids, it was like, if it s in the cards, I knew I d be a great mom, but I didn t want to get married just to get married.
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I wanted to get married forever.
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It wasn t a love at first sight type of thing.
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It was more of
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He, I know, P.K., yeah, P.K.
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 s here, this is gonna kill him.
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P.K., I mean, well, here, I know, that s the thing is if we had P.K.
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here, it d be really funny because there s great banter back and forth.
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You can come on next time you re open, invite to tell your side of the story.
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I wanna hear your side too.
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I m sure you have your own commentary about housewives as well.
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Yes, he does.
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Well, the thing is, it s not, when I met P.K., right, I had just, it was a year since I d broken off my second engagement.
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I was not interested in really meeting men and so on.
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That s what I mean where it wasn t like I was out there looking for dating or looking to date or anything like that.
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So but there was great banter.
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So I liked him immediately.
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But he was going through a divorce, had three children.
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I was the girl about town in New York City in Manhattan living my best life.
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I had a successful business, so on and so forth.
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PK part of it, it was probably two months because he was living on the West Coast at the time.
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And we had had a couple of dates with like friends because we had some mutual friends in common.
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And when we finally went on our first date, we had the best time.
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And really from that night, we were inseparable.
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It was like, I knew he was the one.
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I may not have known he was the one, but I knew there was something distinctly different than anyone else, the way I felt.
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It was like I had known him my whole life.
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Did you know that you d wanted kids with him right away, or did that take?
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No.
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Three months into it, I knew I was in love.
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Okay.
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Well, three months into our dating, I knew I was in love, but it was complicated because like I said, you know, he was going through a divorce.
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He had three children.
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It was not an ideal situation.
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I remember saying six months into our relationship, he was moving back to New York and we decided to move in together.
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And here I am 35 years old and I was nervous to tell my parents that I was dating him and that I was moving in with him.
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And this is like what a traditional family that I was raised by because here I am, I m thinking my parents are going to be like, Oh, you re, you know, marrying, not marrying, but you re moving in.
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Yeah.
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You re moving in with a guy that s got a lot of baggage and they just, you know, they want the best for me and so on and so forth.
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My parents ended up falling in love with him.
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But that s PK.
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So I had already had my own business.
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When him and I started dating about six months into it, I was filling out some forms for the bank and he was helping me.
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And he said, what s your registered office address?
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And I gave it to him and it was his building.
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So I was paying rent to my future husband.
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Without knowing.
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Nice move.
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Perfect for you.
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Exactly.
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You re like, I don t have to do that anymore.
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I know.
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But the crazy thing is, I mean, he had since, you know, sold the building and I had moved offices.
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But the really wild thing is that I m sure PK and I were within a foot of one another a multitude of times and we never met.
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At what point are you guys approached to do this show, and when you are approached, was it like a fuck yeah, or was it like, let s think about it?
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Oh my god, Lauren.
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I love like the reason people decide to do this, because you re throwing yourself into the lion s den.
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I mean, it s amazing for business.
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Yes, Lauren, I was a week postpartum with Phoenix, and PK said that he was approached to see if I would do Housewives.
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Now, the reason why, he had just started managing Boy George, and George was staying with us in Beverly Hills, and this production company had proposed us doing a little pilot, Boy George, His Family in America.
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So we did a little sizzle and it went out to networks.
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And so E and Bravo and all of them had seen it.
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George then got a role as a judge on UK Voice.
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So it never materialized.
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But after Bravo, I guess, had seen it or whoever, whoever did, they reached out to PK.
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They were casting for Housewives for Beverly Hills.
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And they said, would Dorit be interested in interviewing?
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Anyway, when he came, he approached me.
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I had said, hell no.
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Absolutely not.
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No way.
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That s not for me.
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It was like a hard, hard no.
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Why?
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I could have seen myself behind the camera, not in front of the camera.
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I had no desire.
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There was nothing about it that intrigued me, excited me, that I was drawn to.
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Not even, I didn t really know much about Housewives shows.
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I mean, I d seen early, early on some episodes, but I wasn t, I wasn t a Housewives fan or reality TV fan.
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At this time, who, what were the biggest Housewives franchises at that time?
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Probably New York and Beverly Hills.
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Yeah, I think so.
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Like your original cast?
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Or is it, I m just trying to think about the timing.
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When you were on, was Erika Jayne on?
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She came the year before me.
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So was Yolanda on?
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Lisa Rinna, Erika, no, I replaced Yolanda.
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You replaced Yolanda.
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Okay, okay.
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Yeah.
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It was Rinna, Vanderpump, Erika, Kyle, oh Eileen.
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Oh yeah.
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Eileen.
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Yeah.
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So what makes you decide, you know what, I m just going to do it?
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So well, this is so this is the genius of my husband.
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Right.
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I said, no, hard, hard, hard.
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No.
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Then about a week later, he asked me again.
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And I said, P.K., no, it s just not for me.
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There s no way.
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Now, we had just moved to California about
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eight, ten months before that.
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We didn t really know very many people.
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We had a few friends.
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L.A.
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is not very easy, you know, to kind of move and make friends.
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I had now two very small children.
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And P.K.
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said, you know, Dorit, we ll have a laugh.
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It ll be fun.
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We ll meet people.
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We ve had a few laughs.
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Yeah, exactly.
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This is this is how I approach it.
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Couple of chuckles here and there.
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I said, P.K., no, it does.
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You know, this is we can meet people any other way.
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And then
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This is where the genius of him comes in and he said, listen to me, you know, tons of people and I m sure they re not going to choose you.
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Why don t you just at least meet with them, meet with them if they offer to you, then we ll have the conversation.
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But of course, at that point,
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at the point they say to you you re the new housewife you re not exactly saying oh well hold on let me just discuss it with my husband do you know what I mean?
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They ve gotten you excited about doing it now.
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Well you just don t realize that you re already there you re pregnant you re you know you ve already committed to it at that point but now I realize what he was doing by doing that because but at the time what he did is he put me at ease and I just thought okay you know what I m just gonna it s going to the process and with no pressure yeah
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Looking back on all of it now, having this like bird s eye perspective, what advice would you give to yourself?
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Would you still do it?
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Would you recommend someone would do it?
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I feel like it s a very complex answer.
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It s a very loaded answer.
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And the answer is...
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There s no handbook and the experience, you have to almost live the experience to be able to understand or give anyone advice.
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I couldn t even give someone advice based on my experience.
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You have to, it s your own experience within it.
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It s very, very difficult.
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The only thing I would say through and through is be yourself and not be afraid to have an opinion.
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There s a lot of things that I learned about myself in a lot of ways that I ve grown.
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Obviously, there s a ton of negative stuff that comes with being on a show like Housewives, but
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You know, what doesn t kill you makes you stronger.
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That kind of, you know, I feel like that sort of pertains to housewives for me anyway, because it was very difficult.
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I m not a confrontational person.
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I speak from my heart.
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I don t remember everything that comes out of my mouth.
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I don t remember every conversation.
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I don t remember anything.
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Well, that s it, Lauren.
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I would be the worst because I don t remember.
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Well, that s the way I was until you go through it and then you realize you have to actually remember.
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So it like really makes you
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Your brain switch.
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I mean now when I have any kind of conversations I I look at the conversation so differently I retain it so differently you become almost trained to But listen, there s there s a lot of things about housewives that you know, I m grateful for the opportunity there s
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you know, much like with anything, there s a learning curve and I wouldn t say that if I could go back, I would not do it.
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I wouldn t even say if I could go back, I d do it differently.
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I think things, they just, they are what they are and I m a big believer that you can learn
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from any and all experiences.
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And that s what I try to do in life, period.
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Well, it sounds like the pros must outweigh the cons.
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You re sitting here listening to you.
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You re a very articulate person.
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I think you obviously sound very thoughtful.
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So you wouldn t continue to do this if you didn t find some benefit or enjoyment doing it, right?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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When you re having a difficult season or things are difficult or, you know, there s, you know, when, when you re not enjoying it, you re not enjoying it.
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The reunion was difficult, you guys are watching it now.
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It s, I would say the things about, the negatives for me I think are sometimes, you know, being misunderstood.
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You know, and the show, because it s an ensemble cast, you know, it s not the Dorit show, so they don t show all aspects.
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What do you wish they showed more of?
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you know I ve got a great sense of humor and my husband and I laugh all the time and I think that you know when I meet people they ll say I can t believe how funny you are you know they don t show that on the show or you know when I first started the thing about the way I speak she s putting on a fake accent I mean that was just shocking to me you know I never
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I never thought about it that way.
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I ve never been accused of that.
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You know, and when you have people s perception and they don t know you, they only know what they see.
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And of course, that s whittled down.
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You know, everything is happens in the editing room, so they can t show everything.
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Also, the people that are making noise on social media are not.
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me meaning I am a fan of the show I watch the show but I m not going on social media to trash you guys I m like a fan the people who are making the noise are like the trolls so when you only hear from the trolls it s exhausting I think yes yes it s like I m not going on and like commenting on the stuff
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the people who are saying negative things are, which is hard, I think.
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We ve talked about this a ton of times on this show where, okay, we do a podcast and so people will comment, but it s not, they ll just comment once in a while, like the podcast as it exists, but it s almost like you guys are treated almost like zoo animals in some cases where it s like we can treat, like you re a different type of person to comment.
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Like they would never come into our DMs or sometimes they do, but rarely, and say a lot of the things that they feel at liberty to say to people that are on reality TV.
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Does that make sense?
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Absolutely.
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And I have to say, I ve never ever come across someone in person that s ever, ever been anything but so sweet and kind and so on.
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And even, listen, I decided a few years ago, you know, simply for my own mental health and really to stay grounded and in the real world, I had to compartmentalize.
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Yeah.
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You know, going from a private person to a public person, especially via Housewives, you know, where there s so much judgment and and it s such a big show.
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I needed to take a step back.
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So I don t read a lot of the crap.
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I don t, you know, be healthy because you don t.
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It s much healthier for me.
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It s the only way.
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And that s my advice to people, especially even new people or, you know, even existing cast members when they re going through a difficult time and they re getting trashed.
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I ll say, don t read it.
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Just don t read it.
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Yeah, we had Mauricio on recently and they ve been going through a lot of stuff and he s saying that s the same thing.
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He just doesn t read it.
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He can t read it.
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I think something to point out too about you is that, and I told you this off air, is that you and I share hair and makeup.
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Yeah.
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And behind the scenes, all anyone has ever said about you to me is what a good mother you are.
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and how lovely you are.
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The mother thing, though, I ve heard multiple times from multiple different people.
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And it s interesting because it s not that you don t see that you re a good mother on the show.
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I just feel like they don t show that aspect as much as they could.
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I know.
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I agree.
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And I ve had so many people tell me that.
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These are the kinds of things I think that has, over the years,
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It s her.
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And I know you can t take it personally, but it s a reality show, right?
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And my children are such a big part of my life.
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And they re so smart.
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They re so smart and sweet and cute.
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Her daughter has a cooking show.
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And how old is she?
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She has this little cooking show that she cooks stuff.
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Yeah, she had at four years old.
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Now she s eight, but she did.
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The question is though, I guess, for a show like that, would it be successful, as successful as it is if they showed a lot of the good, you know what I mean?
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I think they could pepper it in.
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They can absolutely pepper it in.
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I think they could pepper it in.
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I would like to see Phoenix making fajitas.
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Do you know what I mean?
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They could pepper it in, just a little pepper of it.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I m maybe not the main target audience, but I tune in.
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I said I, you know, probably my favorite.
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We know you do.
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Yeah, I tune in.
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But do you think that as new cast members join or as people stay for long periods of time, it s kind of like you got to keep leveling it up each season to keep the audience guessing?
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Like if you say you guys just had like, hey, we re going to all get together.
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No drama.
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Just relax.
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Well, you couldn t, you couldn t do that.
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Exactly.
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You know, the truth is, the biggest question I get asked is, is it scripted?
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And I always say the same thing.
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I wish it would make everyone s job so much easier.
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You put eight strong, successful, opinionated women together, and there s bound to be conflict.
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Now, it is a reality show.
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We are all aware that it is a show.
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Nothing is fake.
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Nothing is, you know, we are adults, we make decisions.
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Is it dialed up a bit?
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Sure.
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Would, you know, would somebody go on and on and on about something, you know, maybe if the cameras weren t rolling, maybe not.
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Sutton s Exhaustive.
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Exhaustive.
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Sutton s Exhaustive.
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Exactly.
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Perfect point.
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That was a, that was a long storyline.
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Yes, I know, I know.
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I mean, it was like, I couldn t believe how long it went on.
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I know, I know.
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And sometimes when things get dragged out too much, it s like, okay, you know, we need to move on from this.
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With everything that you went through showing PTSD, that was very raw.
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Was that something that you naturally were just comfortable to share?
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Were you like hesitant to share it?
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Did you want to share it?
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I didn t even have it.
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I didn t have a chance to think about it.
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It was just so quick.
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Lauren, we were in London as a family for my niece and nephew s wedding and production called me and said, you know, you need to come back early because we re filming.
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So I had to leave PK and come back with the kids two days early.
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I wasn t supposed to be home.
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I filmed that first day and that night I put the kids to bed and that s when it happened.
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We had just started filming.
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That was my second day of filming.
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My second day of filming was the day after the home invasion.
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At that point, first of all,
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I had believed that my kids and I were going to be killed.
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I believed there was a moment where I thought to myself, this is it.
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God, I mean, listen, I ve got, yeah, it s beyond terrifying.
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I mean, I imagine the fear for yourself, but like thinking of your kids, it s the kids, it s the kids, you know, I can handle anything, but when it comes to my kids, also, they were five and seven years old.
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So they were so sweet and innocent.
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And just even them waking up and seeing the men in the house, you know, as they re collecting things, one of the guys stood behind me the whole time, you know, with masks and the whole thing.
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And thank God a million times,
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They didn t wake up.
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They still, they don t know anything about it.
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So when I woke up that morning, and I mean, there were helicopters above my house, I thought, you know, how on earth does the whole world know?
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I mean, it happened four hours before the police had just left.
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Clearly this, you know, news travels very fast.
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Some of the girls on the cast raced to my house.
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It was 8 o clock in the morning.
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And, you know, production obviously had given me the choice, you know, either I was going to film or not.
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But at that point,
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They had already taken so much.
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I had already committed to the season.
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So what do I do?
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Do I let them take my livelihood too?
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And what am I going to do?
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I felt, first of all, like I won the lottery because my kids were not only alive, they were safe.
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They weren t, they didn t wake up and see anything.
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I wasn t worried about all of the things that scared the living daylights, scared the living daylights out of me the night before.
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So I thought I ve got to keep moving forward, especially for them, as if everything is normal, knowing full well that I had to process and all of the things that, you know, were going to happen after a night like that.
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So I agreed to continue filming and I really put one foot in front of the other and just, you know, pushed forward.
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But when I decided to do that, much like, you know, when you do a show like this, you are agreeing to put it all out there.
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That s that s the nature of it.
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You know, there s there really isn t
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You can t kind of pick and choose what you want to share.
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This happened.
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So I had to live in the moment and be as I am.
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And I was.
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I don t regret that for one second.
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I can t even like spend the night in a hotel room by myself.
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I cannot.
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I mean, I got scared the other night.
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I was by myself.
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I cannot even imagine having my kids there by myself.
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Does that make you want to move out of LA?
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Or is LA not the problem?
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What did you even feel after that happened?
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Petrified.
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But I had 24-hour security, so I felt the safest in my house.
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You had it after it happened?
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Correct.
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So after all this happened, you were like, I need I mean, so would I. I need 24 hour security.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Oh, I when I tell you the the fears, especially in the very beginning, you know, there was waves.
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So I was very busy filming and I was very, very, very focused on making sure the kids did not know anything.
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And they still know nothing.
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You said, oh, wow, I I have protected them.
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You know, don t get they re not on social media there.
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They just turned 8 and 10, my kids, and they re homeschooled.
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So I ve had the benefit of being able to kind of protect them from it.
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That s amazing.
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Absolutely.
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It s amazing.
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And that to me was the single most important thing.
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I just, I wanted them, I wanted to preserve their innocence.
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I didn t want them to have these fears.
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whatever mommy was going through, I ll get through it.
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You know, and I had a really rough time with it.
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And I m a strong, tough person.
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My father is an Israeli paratrooper.
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I mean, I was raised a certain way.
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I didn t expect to have a lot of the post trauma fears and anxieties that I had.
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But I think you handled it.
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I have to be honest, if that happened to me, like I think you handled it like.
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Very well, and
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There were some moments that I think there could have been given more grace through.
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I mean, that was that was to me, that was one of the biggest traumas that we have seen on all the franchises.
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It was not a joke.
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Your kids were involved.
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It almost was like, to talk about Sutton s esophagus for six million, I felt like it needed more grace.
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Yes.
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Well, you know, the other thing is we had, you know, it kind of
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It kind of, the story itself even, you know, it didn t really, not a lot of it was shown or covered.
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You know, we film a lot.
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They just want bites.
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They want the headline.
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You know, and that, listen, I understand and that s fine.
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And I had a lot of
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You know exaggerated startle response like I was I felt like I changed it I bet you I bet you had knots in your stomach, and I bet you were I mean scared to go in a dark room I mean, there s multiple things also the aspect of the kids It s a whole thing you could people could think they would behave in a certain way when that happens well This is like a sort of tangent story, but when I used to live in Arizona alone We had some people break into a house when I was in there sleeping Wow
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Luckily, for in my case, I don t think they thought I was home.
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Yeah.
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And in Arizona, the gun laws are pretty favorable.
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So there was not that I went out like rambling, but there was there was
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An instance where they realized I was home and just ran out and left, police came and everything, but I never, I didn t have it the step further which you had, which is somebody actually then coming and confronting you and taking you.
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It s wild.
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It was literally like people came in and then just ran out.
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Can you imagine as a woman too that has no protection?
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But my point is, is it scared the living daylights out of me.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And nothing even happened.
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People came in and then ran away.
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Nothing got stolen.
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Nothing got taken.
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I didn t get touched.
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And it still freaked me the fuck out.
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And I remember waking up the next day and then having trouble sleeping because I m like, well, is somebody going to come back?
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Are they going to come in?
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And again, nothing even happened to me.
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It was just like, come in and leave.
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So I can only imagine you kick that up a notch.
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Something does happen to you.
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Stuff does get taken and your children are there and you re going through that.
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It was traumatic for me as a grown man, and nothing happened outside of someone coming in and out.
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I can only imagine, not to gender anybody, but people coming into a home where a woman s sleeping alone with her children.
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If you weren t rattled from that, I would say, hey, maybe something s going on.
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Well, even more than rattled, and you know, the thing that
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And again, and I don t want to spend too much time on, you know, the home invasion and PTSD because, you know, you hear the rumblings and I ve heard this like, oh, we re tired of the PTSD and I m tired of the freaking PTSD.
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But with regards to the show, you know, when you re
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I was very open and very honest and vulnerable and put it all out there and listen, what, you know, how the show is edited and who decides what and so on, they know best and I m still going to be dealing with what I m dealing with.
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And I did a lot of work.
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You know, I had a really difficult year.
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And then when I started to feel a little bit better and stronger and, you know, I had not left my house on my own.
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This was about 14 months after the home invasion.
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I don t blame you.
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I had not left.
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I was always with somebody.
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And I changed my life.
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I structured it where
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you know, the things I used to do, I wasn t doing anymore.
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But that was where I felt comfortable and how I felt comfortable.
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Keep in mind also, for me, my kids, there s nothing in the world I wouldn t do to protect my kids.
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Nothing.
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And I mean,
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nothing.
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I can hold my, I can hold it together for them.
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That s just the way I m, the way I ll always be.
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You know, it s that real protective mama bear instinct that is in me.
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And that s what was, that is what, that is what is the most important thing to me.
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So, I hadn t left the house on my own.
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I did 14 months later.
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I went to the bank.
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This is on the show, so I don t know if you ve seen it.
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But I was followed, unbeknownst to me, and then my handbag was stolen.
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But the thing is that- That triggers it again.
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Exactly.
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And it triggered it in such a way where it was like directly after the home invasion.
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And so that I struggled with even more.
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And Michael, if you don t know this part, they stole $10,000, right?
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Yes.
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So it was Christmas Eve.
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And there s a lot of things I want to clear up to Lauren.
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This is why I m so clear.
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I m so happy to be here because, you know, there s a lot of things that go out there.
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I m not.
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of the nature that I, every little thing that someone says, I m there online saying, no, because I don t believe in it.
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You re going to be chasing your tail and sometimes you re giving air.
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I mean, you re not trying to respond to every kind of comment.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, totally.
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Exactly.
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So this whole thing, why, why walking around with $10,000 in
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Why walk around with $10,000 in your bag?
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This was Christmas Eve.
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Everyone was busy.
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My assistant was doing various things.
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No one was home.
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I went to the bank.
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I wanted to get some cash out because I wanted to give some bonuses.
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And I stopped off at a store to get some boxed Christmas cards because I didn t know if I had enough at the house.
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To put the bonuses in.
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Exactly.
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Makes total sense.
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This is this is the truth.
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This is the real story.
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Why these things aren t
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you know, explicitly shown, you know, I don t understand.
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And when I say shown, forgive me.
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Well, I guess like the majority to play devil s advocate or just like when they hear $10,000, that sounds like an extreme amount to, I guess, most people.
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But for me, when I when I heard you telling the story and I didn t not aware of the storyline, like it makes sense.
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You have all sorts of people you re working with that you want to give a cash bonus on Christmas.
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Right.
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That s that s common.
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I just think maybe the amount is what is sticking in people s head.
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Maybe something like $500 or $1,000 or $10,000.
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I think people don t realize though how much it takes to run what you guys are doing.
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It s $10,000 makes sense in cash to have to give it.
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No, no, no.
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During Christmas?
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Yes.
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Well, I m just saying, but that s what the amount is, I think, what s sticking in people s minds.
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Like, who has $10,000?
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But what you re saying is that there wasn t context given to the story.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Look at it this way.
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Say that there s like 50 people working in this business.
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Imagine if I had $500 bonus to those 50 people.
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People are like, what a cheapskate.
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I know, but it s almost like there s power of insinuation without giving the contest.
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It almost makes her look bad.
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Yeah.
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And narratives, you know, to be invented where
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Anyway, so that I underestimated how much that it affected me and again, you know, I m
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I was always a very strong person, you know, and my father raised me mind over matter, so you can overcome.
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And there were things that I couldn t control.
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They were like a physiological response, triggers that would send my heart into like a rapid, rapid beating, you know, anxiety, just things that I couldn t control.
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It was like, as if my mind and my body were not connected.
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So we had started filming and here we are a year and a half after the home invasion.
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And I m in the same place that I was post home invasion, which was it was a struggle for me.
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But for as far as the show s concerned, it s kind of like, well, wait a minute, you know, you re back here.
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When I started the new season, you know, because I was in not in a great place, you know, because of the second robbery, I was fed up.
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And I just I wanted to I really wanted to feel better, feel stronger and feel more like myself.
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And that was my journey.
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You know, my storyline, I guess, if you want to put it in shows terms now at the same time.
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you know, unfortunately, P.K.
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and I were having a really difficult time in our marriage.
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Two people.
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When you re not good in a marriage, it s never one person.
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I had postpartum depression.
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I know exactly.
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It s like they want you to be who you are.
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And you re like, I need a minute.
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I m in fog.
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Yes.
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And that s not the same thing.
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But like he wanted me to be my old self.
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And I was like, I need more clarity.
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Yes.
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So I understand when you re going through something and
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he wants you to be like old Dorit and you re like you ve gone through this thing and it s like you almost can t.
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Right.
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Definitely a big part of it.
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I also I needed him there.
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I mean, this is the past.
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Thank goodness.
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And I m I m only touching upon it because with relation to, you know, I said it s it s nice to be here with you guys and to be able to clear things up, you know, have a voice, answer some of the things that people
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You know, that s out there.
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The narratives.
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Exactly.
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What are the biggest narratives?
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What do you want to clear up?
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You go clear anything.
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So thank you, guys.
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Like I said, I mean, this seat is so comfortable.
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I might need to go.
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I might need to make this, you know, more often.
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But no.
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So when I when I started the season, you know, I was very open and honest.
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And I had said, listen, PTSD and the home invasion, it took a big toll.
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on our marriage and P.K.
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and I went through the roughest year that we had had in our marriage.
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And we really, you know, we didn t have years like that.
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We didn t have times like that.
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So it was very different and rare.
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And you want to protect your family, but when you re on a show, like I said, you know, you can t hide these things.
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And we both agreed that we were going to be very open and honest.
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When we started, we had already pressed reset.
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So we were already in a better place.
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I was focused on working on the anxieties and all of the things that came with the home invasion.
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And I started to do things to really to get stronger and better to Krav Maga classes.
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I went to the gun range.
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All of this was filmed, you know, and this was the story because I wanted to come out.
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I want to come out better than I was before.
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When you are a certain person, you go through something traumatic and it takes the life out of you.
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you know, to be able to come out, to be able to figure out how to get better mentally, physically, all of the things.
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For me, that was something not only that I wanted to do for myself, but especially when I m doing it with the world witnessing it.
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Those that reached out to me when they had their own trauma,
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It was, you know, they, I had so many messages for people saying, you know, thank you, thank you for being so open and so vulnerable because it s helped me.
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And, you know, there s a responsibility, I suppose, that I felt and feel that especially being on a reality show, that given what I ve been through,
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Being able to show how you can knock it on the head and how you can pick yourself up and how you can get better, you know, was really important to me.
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What is things at the reunion that surprised you?
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There s a few.
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With regards to the home invasion and, you know, since we re talking about that, I think what hurt the most was, you know, the comment that Garcelle had made in a confessional when she had, you know,
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intimated that the home invasion was, I don t know, not real or whatever.
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She was intimating when she said, you know, the only jewelry I ve seen is the jewelry that Dorit was wearing after the home invasion.
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And I mean, these girls are with me, you know, I know she doesn t believe that it s not real.
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I don t actually believe that she thinks it s not real.
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So why do you think she says it?
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Is this like a soundbite?
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I don t know if it is to play into the, you know, kind of narrative.
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Yeah.
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But that to me goes a step too far.
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Much like when Erica had said that to her son, that s a step too far.
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I guess at this point, how do you guys, I mean, we re talking about these, do you consider these steps too far, but what is a step too far in the world that you re in?
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Because sometimes as a viewer watching this, a lot of it, like I think about just, you ve mentioned normal day-to-day interactions, like a lot of it is a step too far, but maybe it s heightened on TV, but where s the line where you re like, whoa,
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I wish I, listen, you know, they say husbands and kids are off limits.
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I agree with that.
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I think for me personally, it was just because it was something that affected me in such a way that for me it felt like
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It really hit hard, you know, and then of course it incites this weird chatter that somehow this has been fabricated or PK created it or all of these really wild accusations that I mean there s proof, you know, and then
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When you don t actually, the audience is only going to believe what they see.
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That s the way it works.
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So a lot of the things that I had done with regards to, you know, trying to get better mentally.
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were taken out and i understand you you know you not everything is gonna make the show a lot gets cut out but you know i like i said i did the krav maga classes and i had therapy sessions but it became more about just pk and i and that was the main focus so of course if the audience is not seeing what i m going through and what i m doing and the conversations i m having you know with the head of my security who took me to a gun range and
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triggers.
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I mean, we were in Vegas and Crystal came up from behind and it, you know, sent me into such a panic.
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All of these things, you know, it s as simple as if you don t see it, does it really exist?
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So the audience doesn t have a chance to see what I m going through.
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And so therefore, when someone makes a comment questioning whether or not it s real.
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When they ve seen the day to day of you.
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Yeah.
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But also it s easier to jump on that bandwagon of, well, wait a minute, you know, how, you know, what is she going through really?
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Because there really hasn t been that much, you know, coverage.
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You know, there is an end from what I hear of, which I get, you know, the show people tune into the show.
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It s escapism.
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They want to see the glamour.
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They want to see the arguments.
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They don t want such a heavy subject.
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I understand that.
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But the good news is anyway that
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I m a lot better than I was in the last couple of years, both in our marriage and also myself.
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I ve done a lot of work and finally feel like there s that life that was inside of me before is coming back, starting new businesses, taking on new projects.
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feeling that some of that, you know, panic, everyday panic or worry or anxieties that I ve got more control over.
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And I think some of it has to do with probably a little bit of time and distance and doing a lot of work.
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And at least for me, even though, you know, you don t see it on the show, me personally feel a lot better from where I ve come.
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That is amazing.
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Yes.
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It s almost like you got to the other side.
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Yes, getting there, definitely.
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But definitely, definitely have gotten on the other side and looking forward to being only on the other side, if that makes sense.
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It sounds like it s taken a lot of work to get there.
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Absolutely.
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One thing that we take very seriously in our family is probiotics.
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I do not screw around and that is because I ve had a microbiologist come on the podcast three times and talk about how important it is that we get that daily probiotic and how good it is for the gut.
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We recently had the founder of Just Thrive on the podcast with a microbiologist and they broke down again all of the benefits that you can see by taking a daily probiotic.
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The one that I take actually sustains the trip to the gut.
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So most of them on the market don t even arrive at your gut.
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So you want to make sure you really do your research when it comes to getting a probiotic.
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I also like Just Thrive probiotics because I can travel with them.
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You don t have to keep them in the refrigerator, which is so nice.
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What I ll do with my kids is I ll even sprinkle some in their smoothie.
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It s basically just going to calm your nervous system.
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A little habit stack that I do every single night to wind down is I spray lavender magnesium on my body.
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Sometimes I spray it on my feet even, and I ll do it after I do my skincare routine.
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It takes like literally two seconds.
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I ll spray 15 sprays.
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The brand that I use is Symbiotica.
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It s a topical magnesium.
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So it just goes straight into the bloodstream.
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I m obsessed with this for calming my nervous system and also balancing my mood.
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So many of us are low on magnesium.
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So this is like a really great, easy way to get it in our systems.
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I ll even spray it on my kids  feet.
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I have told all my friends and family to get this magnesium just because it s such a lovely addition.
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It s obviously non-toxic.
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You spray it on the body, and you immediately get that boost of magnesium.
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This is the master antioxidant and I will not drink alcohol, fun fact, I will not, unless I have my packet of Symbiotica glutathione.
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They have a B12 that you squirt in your mouth.
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My kids like that one too.
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And they even have a vitamin D with a K2.
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What are you working on now?
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Maybe you can give us a tease.
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I hope that it s something with fashion.
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I, you know, Lauren, I don t want to say too much, but I will say that I ve got the spark back and it feels so good because it feels like it s been, I haven t seen it or felt it in a long time.
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And to have it back makes me feel more like myself.
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And that s what I ve been waiting for and wanting and working towards.
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So I m very grateful for that.
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Now, there are a few things that I do want to clear up, please.
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I saw and I wonder, too, because I m always curious if people see things.
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I don t know if because I m because it s about me, if it comes on my feed.
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So Crystal was on a podcast recently and she had said that I made everybody wait at the reunion for two hours.
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Have you seen that?
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I did see that on TikTok.
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Okay.
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I wouldn t have asked you about it though because I forgot.
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Remember I just told you I forgot that I see stuff?
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Yes.
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But when you just brought it up.
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Well, listen, I am too.
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I m late as well.
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This is one of those things that it s a bold face lie.
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And she knows it.
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And in fact, I was able to see a clip because the podcast was filmed.
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So I actually saw her telling the story because it was posted everywhere.
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And I thought to myself, you know, I d heard rumblings that she likes to make up stories, but to watch it, I thought, I can t believe how proficient she is at lying.
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She knows full well, much like the entire cast and crew, that I had a wardrobe malfunction.
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The small zipper on my dress that closes the dress broke.
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And the brilliant wardrobe team had to sew me into the dress.
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Her saying that I made everybody wait two hours because I was doing TikToks or in glam or what have you is a lie.
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The TikToks that I did, and you can even see in the TikTok, it s dark, was after the reunion.
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And the
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The first part of the TikTok where I m in my trailer in jeans was probably even before half of the cast even got to set.
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And they even show in the reunion when everyone s arriving.
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I think Sutton was, you know, almost an hour.
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She arrived almost an hour after everyone else.
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Whatever it is, you know, people remind me.
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Why do you think that that was said?
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I think
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because people maybe are mad after the reunion so they feel like they need to like... I think Crystal is... she was upset about a comment that I made which was never intended to hurt her or, you know, to be derogatory in any way but I think she s... Crystal is trying desperately to salvage another year
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Whatever her game is, I don t know.
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And the interesting thing about it is, as I m watching her...
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bit by bit, try to, you know, make all of these comments.
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I think to myself, she s told me a lot of things, you know, I m never going to share what she shared in confidence, but it s very interesting seeing how she s behaving, especially when she s, you know, aligned with her so-called best friends on the show.
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And yet she s had the worst things you can imagine to say about them behind their backs.
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You know, that combined with seeing her making up these lies, it really, for me anyway, shows me the kind of person that she is.
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So what, for the next season, what is that like?
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Are you like, get away from me?
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Or do you have to film with her?
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Like, what are you going to do?
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I mean if she comes back, I will, just like I m doing right now.
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Say it to her face.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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How do you guys maintain professional and personal friendships and forgive each other with all the stuff that you guys go through together?
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Michael, I m such a forgiving person.
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I can get past anything.
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I don t like to be in a negative space.
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Obviously, you know, when you re really hurt by a friend or they ve done something that s really bad, it takes longer.
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And you have to, you know, two people have to want to make up and it has to be genuine.
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You know, this is what the show, the nature of the show, I mean there are, you have arguments and you make up.
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The ebbs and flows.
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Yeah, the ebbs and flows and I like when there s a little bit of scratching.
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You know, people do like the drama and people do like, but they also like to see us make up.
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They do like, they like a resolution.
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It s interesting.
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Yeah, I think people don t like the continuous like, hey, this is like just an ongoing nasty fight.
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I selfishly, and maybe you guys already have, want you and Kyle to make up because I just like your friendship so much.
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I know.
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I think it s a sweet friend.
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You guys will make up.
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Yeah.
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I hope to see that as a viewer.
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Yes, I, listen, I hope so too.
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I ve been, I feel really, really hurt by Kyle.
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Now, she ll obviously say the same.
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And with regards to the text message, that s another thing that we can clear up here.
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And it s sad.
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It really is sad that Kyle and I have reached this place because I would have never, never thought and never wanted to be in this place with Kyle.
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Truly.
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Obviously, I didn t leak it to the press.
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And I can say that here and now.
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And give Michael context of what you re talking about.
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Okay.
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So Kyle and I, we have a friendship.
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Very good friendship, it seems to me.
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But, you know, unbeknownst to me, she publicly declared that I exaggerated our friendship.
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So, not even to me, but told the world that the friendship is a lot
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more important to me than it is to her.
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It s the way I took it anyway.
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I don t know if you read that headliner or saw that.
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Your whole feed s going to be Real Housewives now because we re talking into your phone.
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I love it.
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Oh my goodness.
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I m close enough and have enough mutual friends and adjacencies to be familiar, but I m not in every detail.
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I ll just be honest with you.
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I completely understand.
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Kyle sent you a text message.
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So I ll back up.
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So we, I will say the entire season, and I m not part of, I came into the season, Kyle and I had had text each other a few times.
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We hadn t seen each other leading up to filming.
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I was going through some stuff.
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She was going through some stuff.
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She has a small group of friends that
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They re very close, they re very tight, they exercise like crazy together and they do things that I don t do, like get up at 5am.
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But anyway, needless to say, she still has always had those friendships and we ve had a very close friendship.
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But when we started filming, there was just, I felt a distance, you know, and it just didn t feel the same like it always was.
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But I know that she was going, or I felt like she was going through some things.
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She wasn t open and honest with me and sharing and that s fine.
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I m not somebody that pushes either You know, I m here for if a friend wants to share with me, you know I want them to feel like they can always come to me.
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I ll always be there for them I don t like to push too much that said we re also on a show Kyle s been doing it longer than everyone she knows very well that you can t do the show when there s something going on, especially if it s in the press and
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They are going to want, production wants you to ask and if you re, you know, just like in life, if you re with a friend and you see that things are, you know, they re not themselves or it looks like something s going on, I m going to say to a friend of mine, is everything okay?
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Is everything good?
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with you.
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I tried many times to get together with Kyle before we started filming.
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We never managed to.
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She was traveling and I just felt like a distance and that s fine.
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So we were filming.
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Things were okay, you know, as far as I understood, but I didn t feel like I said that closeness to Kyle and that was pretty much throughout the entire season.
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She started to open up a bit in this season about the troubles she was having with Mauricio.
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I wasn t aware of any of the things that were going on with her.
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This is before the general public knows anything or after?
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This is before the general public.
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And you know, it s really difficult for me to actually remember.
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I don t even know if there was, oh, there was speculation.
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But the speculation, and this is how ridiculous it is.
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It was speculation because Kyle, she was papped without her wedding ring.
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But she was, she had just come from the gym.
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She s in an all, a gym outfit.
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She doesn t have any jewelry on.
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I don t wear my ring to the gym either.
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It s the most ridiculous thing ever.
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And some of the girls.
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I don t wear my ring to the gym either.
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You better staple that ring to your finger.
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glue it to you michael.
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no i felt actually really bad for kyle because the reality is you know some of the girls were making a big issue about this picture saying that you know is everything okay with you and mo because you know you were seen without a wedding ring which she was very clearly coming back from the gym with no jewelry you know that wasn t an indication
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And also, when I had asked Kyle in the show, you know, is everything okay?
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It was just her and I, obviously the cameras are rolling, but just her and I, and I had asked and I didn t push her.
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I said, listen, I just want you to know, you know, I m here for you.
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And when a few of the other girls at the weed dinner had approached Kyle about it, it was in a far less concerning or friend-like way.
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And
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Kyle had made a comment in the press about being upset that I asked her on camera about her marriage or what was going on with her when she knows full well not only that that of course everyone is going to expect production, the network, everyone.
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I mean if something is going on and someone doesn t ask
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You know, it s like, what are you hiding?
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Plus, a friend asks a friend what s going on.
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But she was making little comments like that.
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But meanwhile, you know, she makes a comment when Sutton and Garcelle had brought it up at the weed dinner.
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She said, you know, if they had asked me in a concerning way, I wouldn t mind.
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But that s exactly the way I had asked her, and she had a problem with it.
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I think she was harboring something.
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I didn t know what it was exactly because she wasn t telling me.
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Then we finished filming and we re fine.
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We go for dinner and it felt like we almost kind of got back to where we were almost after we finished filming.
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When on Watch What Happens Live,
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And Andy asked me, Andy Cohen asked me, do you feel like your friendship with Kyle has changed since her friendship with Morgan?
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Something like that.
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And I was being very honest and say and I said, you know, I feel like the closer she got to Morgan, the further she got from me.
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So that upset her in such a way.
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And I still don t really understand why she just decided to not speak to me.
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And she was enraged.
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I sent her a really nice text message, you know, when I had seen some things in the press about her and Mo, just that I was thinking about her.
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And, you know, I d seen her daughter and it was a lovely message.
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She didn t even answer it.
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She just completely blanked me.
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So now there s months where she didn t respond to a text.
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She s clearly got an issue.
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Then I see that she goes out into the public and she says that I exaggerated our friendship.
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That was as hurtful as it can possibly be.
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I mean, for one, you re telling me that I ve made up this friendship, you know, and she reduced it all to production had put a picture of us on a trip and one of the,
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One picture that they grabbed from somewhere was a cast trip.
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So she reduced our friendship to, you know, we only went on one trip and Dorit posted a picture that was a cast trip, which is none of any of the things that I do.
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No, this is kind of probably difficult to follow because when it comes to production and so on But anyway, lo and behold just before the reunion and you know, the reunion is where you discuss everything, you know, we are Let s get it all out in the open exactly
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And here I am, I ve got a real issue with Kyle having publicly said that I ve exaggerated our friendship.
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I mean, aside from being extremely hurt about it, it s like, what the fuck?
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Sorry, can I swear?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, it s been done here before.
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Don t worry.
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So, the day before the reunion, I get a text message from Kyle.
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And it is, to me, it was very calculated and very manipulative, and it really, really upset me.
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You don t respond to a message.
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I mean, you went publicly and said that our friendship is, you know, not that big and not that great.
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And then the day before the reunion, you send me a message and it was saying like, oh, you know, let s not mention anything here and let s stick together.
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And the things, I mean, it s out there now, so, you know, you can see it.
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And it just felt like,
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an even bigger slap in the face.
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And I just thought to myself, listen, there s only so much you can, I m not a doormat and I m not a wallflower.
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And yes, I have a kind heart, but I really care about you.
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And I really believe that we re friends.
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This is not the way you treat a friend.
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So there was obviously no way I was going to go into the reunion and not address
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the issues that we re having in our friendship and what the hell was going on and for her to even think especially after doing the show for so long and also having a standard where she s always the first to say to everybody that this is the place to do it and you know you have to talk about it you know she
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There s like two sets of rules, one for her and one for everybody else.
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And there s a point where it s just not okay.
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You know, and I m hoping that you guys come back together though on the next season.
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I like to meet people and then watch the shows because I feel more connected to it.
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No, but I know, but I like to meet the people.
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He s going to go Google text message.
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I m going to be in there and not listen.
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Well, the upsetting thing is, listen, I discussed it with Erica in the trailer before the reunion.
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And someone leaked the text message.
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It was not me.
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I can tell you that right here, right now.
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Who was it?
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What does it rhyme with?
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I have absolutely no idea, but... I shouldn t say I have no idea.
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I don t know who did, but I have an idea.
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Got it.
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And it s not a single person.
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I would say it s either... Listen, it s gonna be the powers that be.
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Because they re the ones that had the text message.
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Don t you feel like this all comes out with all this anyway, like eventually everyone s going to know?
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You and PK, on the next podcast episode, you and PK need to come on as him and her.
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Maybe you and Kyle will make up.
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I am manifesting you to have the best season yet.
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Well, I can tell you what I hope for next season.
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Tell us.
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I really hope that Kyle and I can sit down with or without cameras.
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This is what I would hope and wish for Kyle and I. I would like for Kyle and I to sit down, but have a genuine, honest, open conversation.
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There s a lot of her.
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She s got these ideas that I didn t
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deliberately do anything to hurt her it s it s impossible for her to think that I would not discuss the things that she s doing to hurt me in a forum where that is exactly what we re supposed to do.
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I think that she ll under when you have this conversation it s you guys will be able to see each other s point of view.
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And also
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Also, Lauren, the other thing is, the showing a private text message.
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It didn t have any information, anything that Kyle confided in me, I would never share, never, no matter what.
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This was a message that strictly had to do with our friendship.
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And the reunion.
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And the reunion, exactly.
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And she has shown messages to, private messages,
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production cast members and so on and I ve been very hurt in the past and their answer was You know, I was angry or upset at the you know in the moment So even you know, what s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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You can t You can t have a certain standard, but yet you don t adhere to it Can you come back on when your next season airs?
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Hopefully manifesting you guys have made up with PK and we can get his take two on it
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Yes, absolutely.
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We ve covered a lot of ground.
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We ve covered a lot of ground.
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I think you ve cleared.
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And I feel like I ve kept up with everything.
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I know all the juice.
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I got all the tea.
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I m fully up to speed.
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I m going to watch a reunion.
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Where can everyone find your Instagram?
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Pimp yourself out so we can go follow your fashion and see what you re going to launch.
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You are very sweet.
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Thank you.
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Dorit Kemsley.
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I think my Insta s just Dorit Kemsley.
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I m sure they ll be able to find you.
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Dorit, I want you to come back on the podcast after the next season airs.
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I want to do a him and her.
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I d love that.
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I d love that.
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Yeah.
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He was having a rough time being in the room without a mic.
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I know.
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Oh, he was?
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Oh, yeah.
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No, Lauren, it s not- I relate to it.
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I could see him.
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He had to step out because he wanted to jump on.
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Well, yes, and also, Pekin, I m not used to him and I being in the same room and us not talking.
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Not being in the same- Next time.
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Yes.
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Next time.
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Next time.
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Absolutely.
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Dorit, I ve wanted you on this podcast for years since you ve been on the show.
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Thank you for coming on.
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Open invite for next time.
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Thank you for doing this.
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You know, I told my mom, she said, hey, who are you interviewing this week?
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And I mentioned everyone we re interviewing and I mentioned you and she was most excited about it.
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His mom is very stylish and she has a tailor.
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So that s where he gets it from.
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Oh my God.
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Well, listen, next time I look forward to it and we ll discuss business and a lot of other things and definitely fashion.
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Oh, and mommyhood.
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Yes, we will.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Wait, don t go.
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I know we re sold out of mouth tape, but I have one tin left in my office and I m going to give it away.
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All you guys have to do is tell us your favorite takeaway of this episode with Dorit on my latest Instagram at Lauren Bostick.
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Like I said, I literally have one tin left.
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We ve been sold out for the last week and I m going to gift it to one of you.
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