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Hello, Joe.
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Joe, that was fun last night.
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Let me just start by saying what a fun time at the club, um, the green room and everything else.
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And here s what I was, I was talking to the head of security at the club.
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Here s what I love about the club.
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I worked the club.
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I had a great weekend, but a couple of months ago is they keep the audience in line.
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Nobody s heckling without getting booted.
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Is that not the most important thing in comedy that nobody talks about?
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It s very important.
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It s unbelievable.
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And unfortunately, there s so many crowd work clips that get put out on Instagram.
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People are now thinking that they want to be a part of the show.
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And so I see people much more often chiming in and yelling things out, and they think they re going to be a part of things.
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Yeah.
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And even when you go, when you try to be nice on the first line, you go, that was OK, sir.
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Then they try again, you re like, listen, you P, oh my God, but that s what I love about your club.
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Everybody there just has the energy, like, we re gonna tell you right now, another word, you re out.
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That s how it should be.
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Because as you know, there s no, nobody heckles once.
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Right.
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Nobody s ever heckled once.
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Nobody heckles sober either.
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And nobody heckles sober, and they just like to start trouble.
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And the green one was fun.
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And even though I didn t go on, I also didn t go on because you have to understand the language where I was like, you want to go on?
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I go, I don t really want to go on.
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You go, that s cool.
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But really, then you re supposed to say,
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The crowd really wants you to go.
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And I m like, Joe, I don t want to bump anybody.
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No, you wouldn t be bumping anybody.
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We ll just cut Tony s time down.
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Joe, I don t want to be that guy.
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Like, don t be ridiculous.
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Oh, I have to dance with you.
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Go on.
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I didn t know you wanted to dance.
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You want to dance tonight?
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No, I gotta leave.
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I m going to Seattle tonight.
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What the fuck?
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I gotta go.
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I would love to, yeah.
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Are you performing tonight in Seattle?
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No, no.
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Maybe I could change my flight.
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Well, let s see.
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Maybe I could change it.
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Move it around.
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There s plenty of flights out of Austin.
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It s a wonderful hub.
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It is.
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It s great.
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It keeps booming every time I was here.
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Last time I was here was COVID.
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Yeah, I don t think it s going to get too much bigger.
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I think we ve reached peak.
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You think so?
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Yeah, I think that s about it.
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You think Shane Gillis was the last citizen they allowed in?
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No, there s a few more coming.
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Joe DeRosa just got a place here.
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He did?
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Yeah, and Joey Diaz is getting a place here.
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I can t believe the two Joe D s are going to be here.
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Let s go.
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That s great.
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Joe D as in Joe DeRosa is a fierce combination.
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I know, but I spoke to Joe DeRosa yesterday.
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I deliberately didn t go to the chicken place because of Joe DeRosa.
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Really?
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Why?
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Because when he recommended it, it just bugged me.
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His confidence when he goes, you got to try this chicken place.
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And I was like, it s Gus s fried chicken.
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I know.
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It s phenomenal.
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I just don t like that Joe s positioned himself as the new gastronomic expert in comedy.
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Right, because he owns a sub shop.
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Yeah.
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By the way, it s a good sub shop though.
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I heard it s amazing.
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It s fucking great.
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I m embarrassed that I ve ever been there.
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It s fucking great.
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He brought some over when they were doing Moontower.
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He was in town.
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He brought some subs over.
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They were fucking tremendous.
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He s got a great place.
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Yeah, I always look at the Instagram photos.
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I m like, oh my god, it looks so good.
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They said the bread s amazing.
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Everything s amazing.
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The food s amazing.
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He makes a great sub.
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Yeah, he s obviously it s a labor of love.
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Yeah, you know, he s a professional comic.
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It s a side thing.
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Yeah, he s like, I like sandwiches.
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Let s make a sandwich shop and eat.
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He knocked it out of the park.
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Everybody who goes are big subs.
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Yeah.
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Not expensive.
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The name Joey Roses is good.
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Yes, it s great.
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It s great.
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It s anger producing in some ways, but- In a lot of ways for you.
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You have a thing with him, I think.
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With Joe?
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Yeah.
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I try to have a thing with everybody.
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That s my thing, Joe.
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I d like to have a thing if you had studied just if you just studied straight karate and weren t into MMA maybe I could have a thing with you but let s face it you don t play games.
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I do play games.
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You re not to be taken lightly.
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What about, yeah?
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Yeah, before I came down here, I was, because in New York, it s so funny, in the green room last night, all I want to do is bust balls with everybody.
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Like that s what I live for.
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It s fun.
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You know?
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And when you see Shane Gillis in there, Shane Gillis is just that guy.
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He s so big, I just want you to lock him in a basement and just feed him like red meat and make him train MMA for like two years and just eat masculine and red meat.
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I just become a stone-cold killer.
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Wow.
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That s my dream.
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I ve got him working out.
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Yeah, I know.
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Yeah.
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He looked sore yesterday.
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He said he d be ready like that.
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We did two hard days this week.
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Well, look how big he is.
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He s a big fuck.
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Yeah.
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Big old football player kid.
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If I was as big as him, I wouldn t be a comic.
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No?
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I d be an animal.
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I d be working security at the club, telling people, shut up.
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Tony s trying to do something up there.
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Comedy s like, it s got an anger to it, don t you think?
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A little bit, yeah.
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Yeah, it s got to.
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Well, there s just so much resistance.
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It s so difficult to get through.
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Yeah.
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It s a lot of fucking running up that river.
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Yeah.
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What about, yeah, even the way we talk to each other.
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Like I m at the cellar the other night, so here s what happened.
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So I m just sitting there, Keith is there, Norton s there.
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So I just give the waitress, first of all, I m like the Sinatra of tipping.
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I didn t want to bring this up, but now I m bringing it up because it s part of the story.
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So I tip them, but I always put it there.
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Because I m trying not to flash how much I tip.
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So I m trying to do it like that.
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So Norton goes, ugh, you re tipping.
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You re not part of the Rat Pack.
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They just start trashing me for 10 minutes.
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Meanwhile, what I should have said was, I m only doing that so you cheap bastards don t look bad.
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You know?
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I understand.
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Yeah.
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This is a daily thing.
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I enjoy tipping myself.
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Yeah.
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I could see you re a high roller, too.
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It s like a little love bomb.
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Give a little love bomb to people.
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Yes.
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An extra few dollars and it makes their whole day.
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Yeah.
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You don t even feel it.
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It makes people happy.
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I always try to tell my cheap friends.
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I m like, you got to get over that.
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Yeah.
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Fuck that 15%.
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What are you doing?
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I agree.
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There s a lot of chiselers.
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Yeah.
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Don t be a chiseler.
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And they think of excuses.
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Yeah.
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Like, oh, you see that attitude you gave me?
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Yeah, I give people big tips and they give me shitty service.
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I just want everybody to be happy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You can give them a little happiness and maybe they ll be nicer to the next people and use the butterfly effect.
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Well, it s certainly not working for the planet right now, let s face it.
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Eh, we re all right.
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I think the problem is we re inundated with bad news constantly.
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Yeah.
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That s the real problem.
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And then, you know, there s also like the problems in cities.
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Yeah, well, everywhere.
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I mean, you know, I just did a special, by the way, about, it s releasing tomorrow.
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It s about, I did it in front of a psychiatrist s convention.
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Did you really?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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I just did it.
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And so I found, I sought out a psychiatrist s convention and went there and said, hey, would you guys let me go on and just do my, shoot my special in front of you?
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And they said, sure.
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So I did a whole thing.
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Then they analyzed me afterwards, and it was funny.
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What room was it at?
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It was a ballroom, like one of those conve... You know, it was like a Washington, D.C., some hotel off the beaten path where they were just having a convention.
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And they did not plan on you being there?
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No.
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And so you knew they were going to be there at that time.
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Yeah.
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And you coordinated with them, set up cameras, the whole deal.
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Yeah.
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Did you inform them before, like the psychiatrist beforehand, they were going to be a part of a comedy special?
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Well, they were welcome to come to the show or not.
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But yeah, we told them before, you know, if you come, you might be on film.
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But yeah, they didn t have to show up.
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Obviously, half of them probably showed up.
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But it was... That s a great idea.
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Yeah, I thought it was because it s about the world, how we re having a psychotic break.
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We re talking about the planet.
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So it was kind of fun for me because, you know, it was interesting for that angle, you know, the whole special is built around it.
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It s so much more discussed.
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The bad news is so much more discussed.
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People s problems are so much more discussed.
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Having problems is so much more a thing that people love to talk about now.
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It makes you more interesting.
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It gives you something to talk about.
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And it s just so pervasive.
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And I think social media has just broken people s brains.
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Social media started as a fun aunt s kitchen where everybody was being positive and saying like, hey, you know, dance between the raindrops.
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And then suddenly somebody was like, shut up, bitch.
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You fat bitch.
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Fuck you and the raindrops.
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And it just unleashed all of us.
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That s what I say.
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It s like it unleashed that part of people.
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And here s the other thing, which I think you d be interested in.
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It s the first time in history you can threaten people and curse them out and not have to run or have a physical confrontation.
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So fight or flight instinct is going to be eliminated from our genetics in two generations.
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Yeah.
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Not just that, but also you don t feel bad.
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Like if you say something shitty to someone, you see the look on their face, even if you feel like you should have done it, when you re alone at night, you might be like, I didn t have to do that.
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Why did I do that?
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What a fucking asshole I am.
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I gotta apologize.
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And then you ll see him the next day, like, I was out of line.
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I m sorry.
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I was dealing with a lot of shit.
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You know, my mom, my sister, my this.
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I m sorry, I m sorry, but there s none of that.
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And you don t even know these people, too.
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You don t have to say, you can t... Just say the most evil, mean shit, vicious shit, look through their pictures, look at you, you fat fuck, and your fucking toothless smile, and... And they used to have gossip magazines, like if celebrities in the 1950s, that s when they started to realize people love to read bad, scandalous stuff.
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But now you get to respond, you re like the writer and the reader of the gossip magazine.
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You know what I do enjoy, though?
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When people don t understand how it works, and they ll post something and just get smashed in the comments, and then they ll start going back and forth with people in the comments like, what are you doing?
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Yeah.
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What are you doing?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh yeah, well what about, well one of the biggest problems is people, this is one of many of them, trying to be funny that they ve never had to, they ve always thought they were kind of funny and then they go in and try to be funny and they get away with a couple because they have two people that go, hey that was good and they start to think I m funny and then they get in there and people just start destroying them.
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for trying to be funny, because they re not used to the heckling that we re used to.
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We got trained out of all our hack habits.
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Comedy trains you.
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The audience trains you.
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And being around other comics.
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And being around other comics.
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What the fuck was that joke?
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It regulates you.
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Yeah, it does.
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It does.
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Yeah, you get feedback.
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Yeah.
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Feedback s important, positive and negative.
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It s a whole other level.
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Yeah.
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Who gets more feedback than comics?
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We get, like, real live feedback from hundreds of people every night.
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Live feedback every night.
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You got feedback last night.
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Just last night.
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Hundreds of people.
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You can t live in a theoretical world of, like, I think this is funny, I think this is good.
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Mm-mm.
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You re getting feedback.
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Mm-mm.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It s fun, though.
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Don t you still enjoy it?
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It s the best.
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It s the only...
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honest uh reaction you could get in today there s nothing virtual about it the most honest form of entertainment because
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You write it you perform it you you produce it you edit it Like I was saying like how easy doing sitcoms was when I first started doing sitcoms.
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Oh, yeah, I go They re great writers.
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They write you great jokes.
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You don t even have to work hard Yeah, and I was talking about how bad my axe suffered during those days because when I was first on a sitcom in 94 We were working like 12 hours a day news radio.
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It was long, long, long days.
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So by the end of the day, I m exhausted.
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So if I did go up, it was just the same old material, just rehab.
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I wasn t connected to it anymore.
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It was like flat, you know?
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And because when they re writing for you, it s so much easier.
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Like the jokes are already there.
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Of course.
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All you have to do is like add your little sauce to them.
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It s great.
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Flare them up a little bit.
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I know, I get so jealous of the idea of the old days comedians who just have writers.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like, what do you got for me?
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We gotta go out and think of this stuff.
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A few people still do that, right?
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A few guys do.
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I know, obviously, the guys who host talk shows do.
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Yeah.
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You can t write a new monologue every day.
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You d be out of your mind or you d be- I did on Tough Crowd.
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You wrote that every now, I m not saying most of them didn t bomb but I did write them all myself.
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No shit Yeah, when I went to see you on tough crowd, the best part of it was you warming up the crowd I was like, why don t they show this?
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This is funnier than the rest of the whole show.
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Yeah
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It was so good.
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Thanks.
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It s so good.
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It was fun.
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And that crowd was crazy.
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They would come like a lot.
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Well, I was living in California at the time, and I just like, sometimes I forget.
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Sometimes, you know, sometimes you haven t seen a guy in a while, and you re like, God damn, I forgot how funny Carmen is.
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Right, right, right.
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You know, you just, you need to see it.
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You need to see them live.
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You do.
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You need to go out and see it.
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Yeah.
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Just get in your head.
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It s the best thing.
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I mean, I ve been doing it for so long, but I still love it.
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I love it.
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I love crowds.
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I love watching it.
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I love doing it.
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I love it.
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It s so much fun.
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And what s fun about it, too, is you can t... If you don t... It s like working out.
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If you don t do it, you just get flabby and out of shape.
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Yeah.
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No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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When I take time off, I go on vacation for 10 days, I have one really good set when I come back because I m enthusiastic.
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The second set is a little fucking shaky.
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I m like, what s going on with this set?
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And that s what s great.
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That s the horror, but that s the best part about it.
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It s just reality.
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Everybody that steps away from it too long, they talk in this term where it s like, oh, you ve got to deal with reality.
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I m mediocre when I get on stage.
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I m going to be mediocre tonight.
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even though I don t want to be, and I m like, hey, I really figured this out.
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And guess what?
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I didn t figure it out.
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And the crowd just lets you know.
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That s the beauty.
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How much time did you take off during COVID?
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I did a few shows.
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I mean, I did some shows that were like on, I did remote shows, which I loved remote comedy.
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Really?
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I loved it.
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Like Zoom comedy?
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Zoom comedy.
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You loved it?
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I loved it.
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You re the only guy I ve talked to.
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Everybody else said it was hell.
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Because I just read.
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They think I m just looking at them.
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I m reading my act.
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So any new material was memorized immediately.
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I ve tried teleprompters, yeah.
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I wish I could bring them all the time, yeah.
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I love teleprompters.
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No shit.
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It s a good way to make sure you remember your shit.
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Yes!
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Teleprompters are the greatest.
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Because the worst feeling is when you get back to the green room and you re like,
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Yeah, or even the intro line so you like of course it bombed I didn t even explain what I was gonna talk about I Love it.
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Yeah teleprompter is great.
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I m oh, but I ve used teleprompters on shows when I did like one made shows in New York and And you can t memorize it the teleprompter you get lazy mentally lazy.
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You can t you
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Then you go on the road and you re like... You d think you d say it every night, you d memorize it, you can t.
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It s an interesting psychological thing.
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I know some guys who lay out sheets of paper on the floor, on the stage, with like bullet points.
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I ve tried that, yeah.
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It doesn t really work that well.
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It s weird.
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The lights are weird.
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Yeah, but you can t even see them.
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Mmm, do you go on stage with glasses on?
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No, this is that would help.
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This is one of the first times I ve been glasses in public So really I hope the crowd well, I wanted people to take me seriously doing the interview and it s kind of a vibe It s a vibe.
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It s hot on chicks Yes, I agree a girl who doesn t see that good for whatever reason.
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I
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For whatever reason.
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They just seem smarter.
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Hey, for whatever reason.
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Yeah, there s something intense.
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That only became in the 70s.
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That became like a thing.
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Really?
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Suddenly girls had glasses.
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Girls with glasses are hotter?
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Yeah, they had the whole new glasses.
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I ll tell you, certain people just look great in sunglasses.
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The first person I noticed as a kid, one of your idols, Bruce Lee, I go, that guy looks badass in sunglasses.
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Oh, yeah.
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They weren t completely dark.
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They were like mix.
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I was like yeah, that looks cool.
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Yeah.
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He was a cool motherfucker He was a cool motherfucker.
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Yeah, I do change the world Unbelievable nobody thought about doing karate before Bruce Lee Nobody cared well
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Even when he was on the Green Hornet, I m old enough, I was there for the Green Hornet days, and you re like, yeah, that s kind of cool, but you didn t think about it.
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But the minute those movies came out, we all saw them when they first came out.
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I saw Chinese Connection, it was called, Fists of Fury.
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They changed the titles now, but it was Chinese Connection was the first one, then Fists of Fury, and then Enter the Dragon.
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Those are the three big ones.
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And it was the first time we ever saw somebody with abs.
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Yes.
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They re like, whoa, how cool does that look?
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Yes.
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How cool does it look to be ripped?
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Yeah.
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Look at that.
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Wah!
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Look at that.
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Come on.
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I mean, I hate to say it, but my profile pic when I was 19, I basically have the same physique.
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I don t care what anyone says.
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He kind of looks like a twink today, though.
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Yeah, he does.
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If you compare him.
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Well, because nobody lifted weights in those days, you know.
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Yeah.
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But he was the king.
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Look at the abs on that motherfucker.
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Jesus Christ.
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Today, he d be accused of having fake abs.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he s a badass.
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Bruce Lee gold metal sunglasses.
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Oh, you can buy them.
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Oh.
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Yeah, but I don t think those are the ones I m thinking about.
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No?
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That one in that photo looks pretty fucking cool.
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No, it wasn t these.
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It was some other look where he just was casually wearing sunglasses.
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What a cool dude.
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Yeah, he was a badass.
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He was a real superstar.
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He just was a star.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, transcended.
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Yeah, and it also was happening during that weird time, the weird time in life in the 70s.
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After Vietnam was really winding down, it was almost done.
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Now we re back to 1968.
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Yeah, we re right there right now.
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We re in 1968 right now.
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We re waiting for Kent State to jump off.
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You ve seen these fucking protests that are happening in colleges?
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Yeah.
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First of all, these kids,
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are all wearing masks.
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They re outside, they re protesting, and they re all wearing masks.
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I say that it s like the Democrats  MAGA hat.
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That s what the mask is.
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Isn t it?
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Nice.
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You re letting everybody know.
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You re letting everybody know that you re a part of the Klan, that you re on the good side.
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Yeah.
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I m masking.
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I m masking for your safety.
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Yeah.
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They re just bizarre human beings coming out of colleges today.
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Fully brainwashed.
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Yeah.
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Well, I say it this way.
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Let s say 20% of them are just – 20% of them are kids that were raised to hate the West.
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Everything in the West is bad.
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They re brainwashed, which is really
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the whole curriculum is 20% of that then I d say 20% are kids that are they re the kids that feel like they want to be like like what I was in college like when I was in college remember this is happening during finals week so 20% of finals protesters where somebody came up if somebody came up to me when I was in college and said listen
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Next week is finals.
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You know you re going to fail.
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How about this?
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We re going to give you some money from this George Soros fund.
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It s a Venmo thing.
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We re going to give you money.
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You stand outside and you block the other.
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Not only do you not have to take your finals, you re going to block the kids that are going to make you look bad and pass their finals.
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You re going to block them from coming to class.
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I would have said, give me the scarf.
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I ll put it on right now.
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Then you got 20% kids are going to be, they re like the ones that appear pressured by their roommates.
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Cause if your roommates are people in college, they know your schedule.
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So they go, Hey, we re going to go protest genocide.
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You can t say I m going to, I was going to go to the bar.
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So half these kids are like, God damn it, now I gotta go out to the protest or I look bad in front of all my roommates.
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Have you ever seen when they get interviewed, the Konstantin Kissin from trigonometry, he went to the protests and he was just asking them like, what the river to the sea, what does that mean to you?
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Like asking questions, what do you think should happen?
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What do you think the history of Palestine is?
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Yeah, and now they re literally praying.
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They re praying to Mecca now.
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Did you see all the footage of them?
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Oh, wonderful.
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They re bowing.
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It s like, I am objectively going to put a fatwa on my mother.
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I just want to come out publicly and say, China, Russia, you guys won.
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You won.
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You got our kids.
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You got the kids.
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You got a lot of them.
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You got more of them than you didn t get.
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No, they don t want them.
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Listen, China, they re teaching kids computers.
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engineering law schools are teaching like, you know, state-sanctioned violence in Shakespeare sonnets and you know Guys with fake eyelashes reading to toddlers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that s what it is.
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That s what duck is our tick tocks a disaster Yeah, yeah, they re smart.
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I mean they got us they got us they won they won the ideological battle.
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They ve destroyed our universities Yeah, they destroyed our faith.
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They didn t we did yeah, but they did they infiltrated the universities and
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It happened way before that, in my opinion.
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When did it happen?
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They just went like this.
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All they had to do was go like this.
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You ever see Yuri Bezmenov talk about it?
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He s a defector from the KGB.
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He talked about it in a famous interview from 1984.
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We talk about it way too much, so I m sorry if you re hearing this again, folks.
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But he basically laid out exactly what was going to happen to America in 1964.
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And he was saying- 64?
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Yep.
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Oh, excuse me, 1984.
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He was saying that Marxism and Leninist ideas have been, they ve infiltrated all the universities with these ideas.
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They re teaching the children.
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And you have like two generations from now, you re going to be fucked.
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Well, yeah, that s what I m saying.
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It started long before any of this China.
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He didn t say they did it.
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He said Russia did it.
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He said Russia was doing it.
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So they re actively subverting our education system.
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But I feel like the idea of this kind of thing started long before, you know, before.
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I mean, it s been around a long time because people like, hey, it sounds fair, like equality sounds fair.
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Right.
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So then they slowly started bringing it in and people,
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The general narrative is if you say, if I say to you right now, if you say anywhere, I think America is a great country.
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People go, Oh my God, you hear this psychopath?
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He s the dumbest person I ve ever met.
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Yeah.
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So I m saying if you start from the premise that America is evil, which is basically the premise today and everything we do is, you know, based on oppression and violence, then anybody that goes against that, there s something evil about them.
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Yes.
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So I don t think that was Russia and China doing that.
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I think that was us doing it.
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I think Russia and China influenced it.
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Particularly Russia.
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I think they just agreed.
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They were useful idiots and all that stuff they used to talk about.
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Yeah.
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But I think they didn t.
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I didn t think they had far to go.
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I don t think you could do it unless people wanted to go along with that.
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Well, it s also a situation where your universities are almost entirely dedicated towards one ideology.
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That s right.
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You don t have any... Look, there s clearly over history, regardless of what you think about right-wing people, clearly over history there have been brilliant conservative people.
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And to not address that and to not have those people talk and to only allow liberal people to talk or progressive people to talk, you re going to get a distorted worldview.
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And that s what these kids are getting.
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That s, well, I mean, even just the fact that Russia and China didn t force them to stop people from speaking at these places, you know what I mean?
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Like, that s what s been going on for whatever amount of years.
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And you re like me, you re not some right-wing guy or, you know what I mean?
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But you ve been pushed into a category
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that people are saying you re this kind of guy because they re so far to the left and so stringent ideologically that if you fluctuate you re out of the loop and that s a cult.
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It is a cult.
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But isn t it, I mean it s one of the beauties
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One of the beautiful things about America is the amount of freedom we have of expression.
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And when you have that, and you have 330 million people, you re going to have a certain percentage of people that are just off the rails, insane.
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And if those people are rabid about it and excited about it, a lot of people find that attractive, just like a lot of people find Islam attractive.
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And they don t just find it attractive because of the discipline and the tenants and all the different things that seem to resonate with some people.
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They find it attractive because those people are all in and you want to be in a group That s all in like if I leave that s right.
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They ll kill you if you leave, but you try to join you can join They ll take you in as a brother.
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Oh, I want to join and then people just it becomes attractive to them because Moderates are considered pussy.
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I took about this all the time Moderates are considered all you can see is a bland guy in Dockers
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With his goddamn, you know, with his dad bod and nobody s interested in moderates fence sitters fence sitters I say even in even in Superman you ve got Lois Lane.
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She sees Clark Kent nice guys.
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Like hey glows don t have dinner.
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She s like, yeah, yeah
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Just dinner, Clark.
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No, all right, I m sorry.
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And then Superman, who shows up two hours a week, who s an extremist, just breaks shit.
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And she s like, ah, Superman, ah.
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So I m saying, our whole culture is built around extremists.
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Right.
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Like, the hero in the movie walks away after blowing up a hydroelectric.
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He s never the guy that troubleshoots the hydroelectric game.
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That should be the hero in every movie.
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Imagine being Clark Kent, and you got a deal with this lady just constantly talking up Superman.
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And talking it down to you, and you re like, bitch, you don t know shit.
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Yes.
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And you just got to sit there and take it, because you just can t spill the beans.
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You want to say, hey, fucking dummy.
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You want to just take the glass off.
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Well, you stupid.
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I m the same guy, but just wearing glasses.
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I tricked you with glasses.
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I catfished you.
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You didn t notice that I m built like a fucking linebacker?
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You didn t notice that I look like a giant super person?
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Yeah.
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Oh, I just have glasses on, so now I m a loser.
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Well, because you never slept with them.
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That s why she didn t notice.
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Because she was like, Clark, lay off.
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Did you think Clark would show off every now and then, like pick something up you shouldn t be able to pick up?
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Yeah.
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Oh, I didn t know.
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Clark s an incel.
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Yeah, he is an incel.
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An angry incel.
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A handsome, angry, football quarterback looking incel.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He s an incel.
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Glasses isn t it funny like that was the only disguise he had was glasses It s the dumbest fucking disguise in all of comic books at least Batman like maybe he had a weird face I ll give you had like a cleft palate you like hey, buddy
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Fucking I know who you are, but no you know you just just see the little the little face part And the rest of the face is covered like okay hides his voice.
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I m Batman.
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Okay, okay, maybe It s fucking stupid it is stupid, but the um but speaking of Bruce Lee the Green Hornet had a mask then Kato
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was Bruce Lee.
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We didn t realize, by the way, here s a stupid sitcom I m watching as a little kid, we didn t realize there s a lifetime legend playing the sidekick.
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How many times has that happened in life?
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But he wore this little chauffeur s outfit, if I remember correctly.
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Bruce Lee was like the sidekick.
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Yeah, but he was but even then you could see a stalker like even as the sidekick the two scenes are like This guy s a badass.
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Yeah, I was like five years old six years old.
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I m like this, you know He was supposed to be in that TV show kung-fu.
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I
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Really?
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Yeah, it was supposed to be about him.
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It wasn t supposed to be David Carradine.
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And why did he say no?
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They didn t want to have a Chinese guy on TV.
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That s insane.
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Isn t that wild?
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And they picked David Carradine.
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Yeah, but it worked.
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The crazy thing with David Carradine- It did what?
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It worked.
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Yeah.
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It worked.
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That show worked.
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I loved that show.
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I used to love that show.
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Yeah, it was great show because every episode every episode there was Although let s face it.
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That was when you really look at it was a kind of a woke show a little bit every week It was intolerance and then David Carradine would come and save the day.
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You know, I mean kick some ass He always had to use violence though, but he wasn t that great of a martial arts guy.
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It was terrible
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It was nonsense.
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It was totally unbelievable.
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But the way he was doing it was like, if you didn t know any better, you re like, oh, yeah, he s got magic.
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But if Bruce Lee had done that, he would have broke, not the internet, but he would have broke TV at wide open.
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Oh, yeah.
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That would have been the best show of all time.
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If he started wheel kicking people and jumping side kicking people in the face, you d be like, whoa.
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It would have changed everything.
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But the movies changed everything.
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I mean, he broke through just because he was undeniable.
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Oh, yeah.
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That was supposed to be him on that television show.
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I ll tell you all the karate studios, Jerome Mackey, these were all the karate, these were big karate guys back when I was a kid, like karate teachers.
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He opened thousands of karate studios around the country, Bruce Lee alone.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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It became a thing.
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Bruce Lee and then Chuck Norris was how I got into martial arts.
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Yeah, Chuck Norris fighting him.
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Jean-Claude Van Damme, watching those movies.
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How about this name, Bill Wallace, you ever hear of him?
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Yeah, Superfoot.
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Yeah, he was a great kickboxer.
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And there was a guy named Joe Lewis.
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Yeah, Joe Lewis.
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Heavyweight champion.
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Not in boxing, but in kickboxing.
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That s right.
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Yeah, white guy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There was a bunch of- Great fighter.
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And Jim Kelly was a great fighter.
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He was in the Bruce Lee movies too.
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Did you ever do karate or did you just follow it?
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I mean, I did a couple of classes, but I was... It s crazy that you know about all those guys like Joe Louis.
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How about Benny Urquidez?
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Benny the Jet, of course.
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Yeah.
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Well, because I always tell this, but when I was a kid, the trains were so dangerous in New York.
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This is nothing now compared to when I was growing up.
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But what I would do is, instead of taking karate,
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I used to buy Karate magazine and I d stand on the train with my legs splayed like this and stand and read my Karate magazine.
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Good move.
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Who s going to read a Karate magazine unless it s a Karate?
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Then I ran into Owen, do you know Owen Smith is a comedian?
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Yes.
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From Baltimore.
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I somehow mentioned that story one night to him and he goes, he goes, I took you one better.
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He goes, I bought a Karate trophy and I used to walk around the streets holding my Karate trophy.
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That s hilarious.
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So while you were studying martial arts, seriously, just remember there s a whole bunch of lazy pricks that bought magazines and trophies just so we were like stolen valor.
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People find a workaround.
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There s a lot of dudes walked around with kung fu outfits on.
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Yes.
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with the slippers, the whole black kung fu outfit, the white collar.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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To this day, they still do.
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And to this day, I m still like, oh, I don t know fuck with that guy.
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Yeah.
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I used to go watch them practice in the park, and they were faking martial arts.
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It was made up stuff.
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They were doing made up things.
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What do you mean?
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The moves are nonsense.
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It was made up.
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And you knew they were made up?
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A hundred percent.
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Yeah.
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A hundred percent.
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They were doing stuff that just, there s no history of this.
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Like you like I don t study kung fu, but I can understand it.
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I know it.
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I know what it looks like I ve watched it thousands of videos on it.
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I ve seen classes I know I know what kung fu is right.
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You re not doing kung fu.
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You re fucking you re doing some shit You think looks like kung fu?
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and you re telling people that you re a master and you re practicing in the park and you got a bunch of other dumb people that are following you.
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And there s a lot of that out there.
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Yeah.
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There was a lot, before the UFC came around, there was a lot of fake martial arts.
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Guys who pretended they had like some touch of death.
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Yes.
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And their students were like hypnotized.
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They were like in a cult.
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Yeah.
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They would touch their students, their students would fall to the ground.
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They re still out there.
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There s a video.
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Absolutely.
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There s an Instagram page, McDojo Life.
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McDojo Life just highlights all these fake martial artists.
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Because McDojo is like those strip mall places that open up price, which some of them are really good.
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But this idea of like a death touch that people had, like some secret powers.
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It s the dream, yeah.
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I told you I took six judo lessons when I was a little kid.
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I should say before the martial arts craze.
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And I really wish I would have stuck with judo.
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But in those days,
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There was no like panic.
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So you work at a class with the worst headache.
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Oh, yeah of all time.
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Oh, you re getting brain damage Yeah, you get brain damage 100 you re getting brain damage in regular judo 100% 100% judo is bad.
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You get brain damage.
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It s amazing.
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It s amazing martial art, but you get you get brain damage from Ronda jet ski you do
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Yeah, my friend Mark Gordon, he specializes in traumatic brain injuries.
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He s a doctor and he works with a lot of veterans, football players, fighters and stuff.
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He s like, everything that hits your head is bad.
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Like soccer, guys get CTE, chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
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The things that boxers get and football players get and MMA fighters get, soccer players get it from hitting it with their head.
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But how do you get it from a jet ski?
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The bouncing.
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Just the bouncing.
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Then how come they tell you you re supposed to go on those gymnastic, whatever that s called.
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Trampolines?
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Yeah, trampoline.
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Yeah, I don t think that s like jolting, because that s kind of like catching you and lifting you up and catching you and lifting you up.
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That s a different thing than boom, boom, boom.
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It s the heavy duty shaking, head banging.
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Like Angus from ACDC, gotta have brain damage.
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There s no way he doesn t.
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There s no way he doesn t.
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That dude has to be,
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Gone.
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But who the hell goes on a jet ski more than once a year?
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Let s think about that.
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Some jet ski people that really love them.
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Jet skis are fun.
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Yeah, I have a jet ski.
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I love it.
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I ve tried it.
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It s fun.
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But if you bounce around on waves, you re getting brain damage.
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That s how delicate the brain is.
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The brain is not meant to be jostled around.
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And guys get concussions from getting hit in the chest.
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If you get hit in the chest, your head snaps back and you get a concussion.
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It happens all the time.
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You don t have to get hit in the head to get a concussion.
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Well, yeah.
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Yeah, but that s why it s a good thing I stopped judo, because every day I d have a horrible headache.
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I was a little kid.
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Also, these guys crashed.
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Oh my God.
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Well, that s different.
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That s ski jumping.
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That s insane.
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I know, but this is what the article on skiing was bringing up.
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Oh my God, that s insane.
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That dude hit hard.
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How hard they hit.
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Must be nuts.
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They re going third.
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It s like this is a water skiing tournament that what that is.
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That s what that was Yeah, it s like an article about water skiers getting CTE.
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Oh, yeah have to no doubt.
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No doubt.
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They have it.
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No doubt I bet dolphins have CTE I bet they don t I bet they glide right into that one says how smart they I m like, yeah, they seem really intelligent sometimes
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You re dismissing the intelligence of dolphins?
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Yeah, when anybody bounces a beach ball on their nose, and that s there.
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They re the valedictorian of the animal kingdom.
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That s enough for me.
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I think you have to do that if you re trapped in that swimming pool if you want to get fed.
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I think you d put a beach ball on your nose, too.
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That s the problem.
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The problem is we re so evil, we ll take intelligent things and lock them in a swimming pool if we can t understand their language.
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Like, what?
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What?
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I don t know what you re saying.
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Do you want a fish or not?
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Here s the ball, motherfucker.
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That s what it is.
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Out in the wild, though, they re awesome.
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They play with you.
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They come hang out.
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They go by your boat.
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They jump, and they literally want you to see them.
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They play with people.
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You can swim with them.
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They ll save you from sharks.
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If sharks are coming by, they ll fight the sharks off.
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They save people from sharks all the time.
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They have a cerebral cortex that s 40% larger than a human being s.
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What?
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Yeah, 40%.
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They have dialects.
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They have different dialects.
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Like, you talk like you re from New York.
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Yeah.
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You know, I have, like, a little bit of Boston, a little bit of California, and they re, like, all fucked up.
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Right, right, right.
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They can tell from dolphins listening to their vocal patterns where they re from.
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Now, wait a minute.
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But they can t decipher it yet, but they re hoping they can do that through AI.
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First of all, if you don t have a routine about dolphins  accents, you re crazy.
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I ll steal it if you don t do it.
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I had a bit about dolphins, about true story accents.
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It s a true story.
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I got on very high edibles with my daughter and we went fishing and these dolphins came by the boats and they were jumping up in the air and then I I had this crazy thought that what if the concept of me like we think when you think of yourself as I you know when you refer to yourself me you re thinking of yourself living in this world and
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With these genes, and this city, and this street, but the thought of me, like, what if me to me is the same as me to a dolphin?
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And then I thought, like, what if that s the same with all human beings?
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Everybody s just experiencing life through different biological circumstances, different life experiences.
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But what if me is the same in every single human being, just dealing with different problems?
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No, what does that mean?
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I don t understand what you re saying.
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What I m saying is that when you think of yourself, when you think Colin Quinn, when you think like, oh, I m looking at the world, this is me.
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That energy of what me is, this is how high I was.
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I was on like 200 milligrams of pot edible on a boat in the middle of the ocean in Hawaii.
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Just amazing experience.
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But I was thinking the car like when the dolphins would jump up they would look at you They look you in the eye and you see that they re intelligent right and I was thinking like what if I?
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Lived his life.
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I would be him and what if I lived my life He would be me right and then what I think of is me is just me Stumbling into a bunch of experiences with very particular genetics a very particular like lessons that I m carrying around and I think that s me but if the energy of that
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The very core of it is exactly the same in everybody.
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We re just experiencing life through different circumstances, but it s the same thing.
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That s God.
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Yeah.
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What about, um, the, uh, you know, I was thinking about when I was thinking about the whole martial arts thing too, was, uh, when you think about dolphins fighting sharks or saving people from sharks, that s almost a martial art too.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, you ever see what killer whales do to sharks?
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No, there s this video of this mother killer will count.
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Oh, yeah, they fuck everybody up There s this video of this by the way, they save people too And the only time they ve ever killed people is in swimming pools They save people all the time killer whales save people that fall in the water the same they eat everything they kill dolphins They kill whales they kill everybody, but they don t kill people
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We kill them, but they don t kill us.
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It s the only time they ve ever killed people on record.
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I mean, there s probably been a few circumstances where people were cunts.
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Yeah, got what was coming to them.
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Yeah, some asshole tried to harpoon their sister or something.
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Sure.
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I m sure that happened.
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But the point is that killer whales don t actively target people when it d be really fucking easy to do.
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So check this what this killer whale fucks this shark up, so she s out there with her look at this boom Wow She s out there with her cubs, and she just puts the fucking clamp down on this great white It s pretty wild, but just it also makes you realize how big killer sharks are or killer whales rather whales.
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Yeah, look at that boom Yeah
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I mean I just saw something the other day of a killer whale around a boat some little boat, and it was just You could tell the guys like oh god.
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It s over for me, and then the whale didn t bother him like you said yeah They generally checked him out don t fuck with you.
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Yeah, and I think you can kind of talk to them I think if you I think they understand if you re like hey You re cool.
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Yeah, like you know if you re polishing up a big metal spear with a rope on the end of it Then they might get a little angry.
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They re probably fuck you up
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I bet that if I bet if there have been people dying because it s just the guy look at that little boat Yes, let s get out of here
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By the way.
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But that was a gentle bump.
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That was nothing.
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No, this was something else.
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But how about that?
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Is that not the battle cry of today?
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You guys getting this?
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Yes, it is.
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That s the most important thing anyone can say.
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The gram.
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We got to get it on the gram.
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You guys getting this?
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Do you even have Instagram?
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Yeah.
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You do?
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Sure.
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Do you make reels?
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Do you ever make like positive?
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No.
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Hey guys, you could really do it.
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Push through it.
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Well, I kind of ironically, as you know, I ve been doing that for years.
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I m kind of a soccer mom on social media just to infuriate people.
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That s my whole game.
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But I do, you know, I ve been doing this series called Block by Block on YouTube, which is with this guy, Homeless Pimp, you know him, Mike Lavin.
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I didn t know you were doing this.
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Yeah, I know.
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I have a bunch of episodes where I interview.
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It s my little, you know, like the thing I care the most about doing, which is
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I interview people from different neighborhoods that in New York that I know over the years and then just get them to tell stories about their neighborhood.
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So I was talking to my friend from Hell s Kitchen, Mike Spillane.
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I didn t even know this was out there.
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Yeah, yeah.
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One problem with really great comics, and I include you in there, is that you guys are terrible at promoting things.
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Yeah.
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I m saying yeah, but it s also why the stuff you put out is so great because you re only thinking about the stuff You re not thinking about promoting the stuff.
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Yeah, totally different animal, and we wouldn t know where we would only come here world So yeah, we go.
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We don t know well doing it yourself like doing your own promotion or like letting people you know getting but I just so I interviewed as one guy my explain from Hell s Kitchen and and
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Famous family over there, he s telling all the stories of the old.
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But one of the stories which you will like was him and my friend Robert who died and his cousin, they were in a bar.
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It s like 1980s and midtown.
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So Hell s Kitchen is connected to the theater and all the Madison Square Garden.
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So they re in a bar.
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Some guy starts with Mike Spillane.
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He hits him.
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The guy s friend grabs him around his neck.
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It s Andre the Giant.
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Oh, my God.
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They re in a fight with Andre the Giant.
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Oh, my God.
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And he picks him up and flings him, and it s like a whole famous story of them fighting and getting their ass kicked by Andre the Giant.
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Oh, my God.
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And then the cops come and grab them outside and arrest them.
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And the cop walks in, finds out what happened, sees Andre, and just walks out and laughs and goes, let him go.
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Don t worry about it.
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So, like, just finding different stories of different neighborhoods.
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That s my little thing for, you know... That was back in the day before Instagram, where people weren t snitches.
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Exactly right.
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So, that s all... I m just talking to these people and finding out all the great stories from them.
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If that happened today, Andre would be all over the news.
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People would be angry at him.
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Oh, my God.
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Everybody would have an opinion on all of it.
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Oh, yeah.
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And when this guy was telling the story, I go, so people must have been buying you drinks for months.
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He goes, at Hell s Kitchen that time, two weeks, and then there was some new story happening.
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Because that wasn t even the story of the month.
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What a great name for a neighborhood.
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Hell s Kitchen, yeah.
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What a great name.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, you kind of have to act crazy if you re there.
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And they did, yeah.
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If you re going to move to Hell s Kitchen, that s a very specific mindset.
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Well, now, of course, it s different.
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But it was the most, just imagine a neighborhood in the middle of Times Square, when Times Square was taxi driver.
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So they had to deal with all of that.
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The theaters, so all the stagehands were there.
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Mm-hmm.
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All the teamsters were there.
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There was a combination of everything all the music studio Lincoln Center on one side all these but and the in the middle is all these crazy Irish guys in Puerto Ricans.
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Yeah Just so and so much music and so much stuff came out of that area.
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It s crazy.
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I
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It really is when you really think about it.
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It s a really wild, wild... The center of the universe, they used to call it.
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And for how long?
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Like 20 years?
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Uh, like 50, 60.
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50, 60?
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Yeah.
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Really?
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It was that hot for that many years?
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Well, hot in what way?
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I mean, it s like the interesting aspect of the interesting aspect of it was for 40, 50 years, I would say from 1950 to 2000.
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2000.
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What killed it?
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Giuliani?
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No, it just became well, it became Times Square, Times Square, Times Square became gentrified.
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Yeah, gentrified.
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And, and people started to corporatize feel safe.
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Yeah.
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It s like it became Applebee s.
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But it did.
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It s disappointing, but at the same time, it was Sodom and Gomorrah.
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It was very bad.
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It was very bad when I first went there.
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I was living in Boston.
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I came to New York for a karate tournament, ironically, in, like, 82, 83, I think.
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So I was in high school, so probably 83.
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And I was like, this is nuts.
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Like, this place is fucking nuts.
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It was nuts.
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It was nuts.
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It s like all peep shows and pimps and hookers.
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Yes, and just it looked black and white like like this It s like it was like in color like everything looked black and white It looked dirty and seedy and there was just junkies on the street Yeah, and people would like long coats and people yelling at people.
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Yeah.
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Yo, this place is nuts Times Square was a place that everybody avoided and
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That s right.
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Somehow or another, Times Square became a tourist trap.
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Well, because of Giuliani.
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Giuliani cleaned up the peep show.
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There was a law, I guess, where you couldn t have, you had to have like 30% legitimate in your peep show.
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There was some law that happened where they got rid of all the peep shows.
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30% legitimate?
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What does that mean?
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30% like a regular store like you couldn t just have Joy DeRosa sandwiches, but that s big they did do they had to have a legitimate thing and then to point in the back or something And that was in the mid 90s, and I got cleaned well.
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They used to have the triplex movie theaters That s right.
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Well.
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You know you want to talk about the lowest class of human being that you could possibly encounter in public Yeah, guys going to jerk off in a room with other guys jerking off watching a movie
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Yeah.
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Of course.
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The most degenerate humans available.
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And it was in Times Square, too.
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It was all over the place.
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No, no, the whole country had those.
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Oh, yeah.
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Every city had, Times Square just had 50 of them.
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Well, the craziest- Everybody else had one.
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The craziest story is Deep Throat.
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Yes, deep throat.
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They were trying to turn it into so the country was so naive back then.
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Yep and porn You didn t have VCRs.
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So you didn t you did the idea of a porn addiction seemed ridiculous to me So what they did with deep throat is they made a cinematic movie That was a porn film and all these stars went to go see it like Johnny Carson was there in line They re interviewing them where they re going to see a porn film Yeah
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Yeah, and that s only like 1970 something 72 or something like that and
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Couples would go all over the country and go to these sleazy theaters and watch Deep Throat.
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Wild.
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They weren t even sleazy theaters.
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These were regular theaters that showed Deep Throat.
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Yeah.
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Isn t that crazy?
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People are so... that s so interesting.
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You think about how much porn, like right now, porn is what percentage of the internet, Jamie?
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Is it 30-something percent?
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It s like 30-something percent of all
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All internet traffic, all of it, all of the world is porn.
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It didn t even exist before Deep Throat.
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You had stag films that you would hear about.
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Yeah, my brother-in-law, he was getting married.
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It was a stag party and they showed a movie.
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Grainy movie of this like sad heroin addict fucking these guys.
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That s right.
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Yeah, whoa That was gross.
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Yeah, I thought that would be on your phone the mafia.
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Yeah, I know Exactly, but but it s so funny because I remember deep throat was the big breakthrough first was the devil and Miss Jones I was like 11 or 12 and I remember we d laugh about we didn t know what we re laughing at and then next year, you know, we re like 19 and
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18, 19, we re going up Times Square point.
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And we were right there, you just take the train, you re right there.
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But it was so psychotic that, and I actually knew, I knew a girl that ended up going into working in those Times Square booths, and I m sure a lot of people did, but it was really crazy to me that she was doing that.
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Wow, that is crazy.
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That s a commitment.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there s still boots in it, guys.
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Get out of that lifestyle.
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Oof.
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A judge in New York made it a $3 million fine for showing Deep Throat in a theater.
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Wow.
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It still exists.
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It s never been overturned, apparently.
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Wow.
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Whenever this article was written.
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Well, this is in 93, but... Wow.
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Movies and television have completely changed our outlook on the human form so he was 71 At the time when he was talking about this and so this is on the eve of his retirement in 91 So he s probably in his 50s when that happened So he d grown his whole life been a grown adult and never had any interaction with porn And then he sees people going to see it in a theater.
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He s probably like what the fuck is going on Yeah, this is crazy.
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Like you guys are watching people suck dicks
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with your friends.
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Yeah.
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Like, this is weird.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was totally legitimate for a couple of years.
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I don t know when it turned, but I remember when I went to college, they showed Deep Throttle, one of these, Debbie Doves Dallas, one of these porn movies in, like, the student union.
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What?
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And guys and girls all went to see it.
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No way.
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Yeah, it was totally, you know what I mean?
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Isn t that crazy?
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And there were a couple of girls that were like, this is anti-women.
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And we re like, oh, relax.
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Why are you making a big deal like we are?
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Like, oh, what are you crazy?
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Isn t that crazy?
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It s crazy and people just go, they like, they showed it like a whole week.
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I ll tell you another one.
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What?
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A week?
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Yeah, like every night because so many people want to go see.
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I ll tell you another one.
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One of the guest speakers, talking about college gigs, Harry Reams
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was one of the guest speakers.
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The porn star.
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Famous 1980s porn star.
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70s, yeah.
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70s?
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Yeah, the big mustache, 70s mustache.
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Did he grow up to be a giant real estate guy?
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Maybe, but I d like to talk to him someday because this girl I knew, I still remember her name but I ll leave it out, and she drove him, she goes, yeah, I drove him back to the train station.
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And I was like, you don t need to drive him to the train station, you can walk there.
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She drove, and I want to know what happened.
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I want the full story after.
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She s not gonna give it to you.
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She lied to me.
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She goes, nothing happened.
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She got turned on.
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She got turned on by seeing that guy s dick.
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She got turned on by his dick.
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Also, it wasn t, like, forbidden back then.
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This is so hard for people to imagine.
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Because, like, today, if you re watching porn on your phone, and someone catches you, you have a deep shame.
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Yes.
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Oh, you caught me watching porn.
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Right.
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Porn is a thing that people are ashamed that they consume.
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But back then that was not the case.
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It was innocent in the weirdest sense where people just didn t get it.
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They didn t get it.
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No.
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Like when I was a kid, VCRs were invented.
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And one of the first things when they invented VCRs is they start making dirty movies and putting them on VCRs.
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That s right.
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And the porn industry just explodes.
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That s right.
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It s all from people watching at home.
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And you d have to go through these fucking saloon doors, remember?
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Or you d push the beads aside.
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Yes.
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There was always something you had to do.
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Yes.
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You couldn t just go to the porn section.
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You had to let everybody know, hey, you fucking pervert, make some noise, rattle those beads.
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That s right.
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And then you walk in there and no one was looking at anybody.
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Everybody was looking at the ground.
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That s right.
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Everyone s embarrassed that they re in there with other people, maybe your neighbors.
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That s right.
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See Bob s over there looking at the fucking hardcore section.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Right, that s what it was.
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People were like, I ll be in the porn, but that section is for perverts.
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That was the thing.
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Yeah, and it became a thing where people weren t embarrassed by it.
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It was weird.
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And then slowly over time, it became embarrassing.
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I think when it became an addiction thing, I think clearly when the internet came around and people had instantaneous access to it.
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Well, it s funny because as much as sex became more like, I remember in comedy, we all had bits on jerking off to porn.
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when i in the 80s right we all like this thing yeah it s just hard to imagine everyone s like aha nobody gave a damn i mean is that weird we all just talked about hey you ever see porn because it was new like you said and then suddenly people stopped talking about that
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Because it was shameful.
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I don t know what the... I guess it was... It s the addiction.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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When you re ashamed of something, you shouldn t be doing that something.
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Almost always.
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Right.
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Don t you have to lie about the thing you re... Right.
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You know, like I had a friend and he was always trying to lose weight.
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And one time we said, hey, meet us at this bar.
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It s Ralphie may I said yeah, cuz he s not with us anymore.
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I love Ralphie great guy He was awesome great, and the Ralphie was like it was like an hour and a half later Like where the fuck is Ralphie like he hasn t when s he coming here?
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And then finally he pulls up and the back of his car was just filled with fast-food stuff.
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Yeah
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And he had like some story about why he couldn t make it.
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He went to a drive-thru.
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He had to.
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He went to a drive-thru and he bought bags of food and he just stuffed himself.
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And he probably felt shitty about it and didn t want to talk about it.
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Sure.
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That s addiction.
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That s addiction.
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Absolutely.
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If you re watching porn on your phone all the time, you re like, do you watch porn on your phone?
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Like, no, I don t watch that.
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It s cuz you re addicted right you re ashamed sure you re ashamed, but like you said 30% is crazy crazy Is it is that what the number is do we find out what the amount of traffic percent?
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I m looking to like the golden age of porn in at an 84.
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It says we re golden age.
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That s what I ll tell you why AIDS well this VCR is also so it stopped being you didn t have to go to the movie theater to see it you could watch that home well that was a great
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That was 84s when the VCR came out?
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Wow.
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Around then.
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So that makes sense because I was in high school.
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That makes sense.
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There was a great scene in Boogie Nights when Burt Reynolds is so disgusted that he has to do like amateur porn.
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Remember?
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Like he used to be a filmmaker.
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Oh, right.
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And then suddenly they re in the limo and he s going, okay, do that.
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And then remember he was like so horrified by it all.
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I forgot.
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I forgot that movie.
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That was a great movie.
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Great movie.
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And they said Burt Reynolds, you know.
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Director and all these people said Burt Reynolds was so horrible.
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He was so brilliant in it.
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He didn t want to be in it from day one.
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He hated everything about it.
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Really?
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And to his dying day, he hated it.
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He fired his agent.
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He hated it.
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And he was so brilliant in it.
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Well, Burt Reynolds, I m a huge Burt Reynolds fan.
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No, the greatest.
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I love that guy.
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He was so fun.
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He made me believe that like a handsome man could be funny.
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Yeah.
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I never thought handsome people were funny.
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Like, the handsome guy was never cool.
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The handsome guy was, like, cool but silent.
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That s right.
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Like, maybe he wins a street fight.
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He s solid.
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Art Reynolds is, like, always smiling.
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It s like, I want to hang out with that guy.
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He was a party.
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He d go on the Tonight Show with that big laugh.
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Yeah.
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Remember he had that giant laugh?
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He was the first guy that I ever really saw that was, like, a really handsome man that was hilarious.
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And he was best friends with Dom Deluise.
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Yes.
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And they d be on- He was incredible.
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Yeah.
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Well, how about when he did Jackie Gleason?
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Jackie Gleason and him with Smokey and the Bandit?
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What a combination!
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Jackie Gleason and Burt Reynolds?
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Wait, the Jackie Gleason in that movie, and I ll tell you who else, because I remember when I saw Caddyshack for the first time, and I was like a young kid, and I m like, oh, Caddyshack, my heroes are in it.
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Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, all these cool guys, even Rodney.
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And I go, and then they got this guy from a sitcom, Ted Knight, and then he steals the movie.
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And the same thing happened with Jackie Gleason in Spokey the Bandit.
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These guys stole, they were so good.
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It s unbelievable.
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Jackie Gleason was the fucking man.
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Yeah.
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Jackie Gleason was the man.
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It was unbelievable.
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He did serious acting too.
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He was in The Hustler.
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Oh yeah, he was amazing.
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He was great in The Hustler.
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Did you ever hear they said some reviewer, some famous, back when reviewers were famous, goes, I just, it was Lawrence Olivier and him did a movie together.
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He goes, I just watched a movie with the greatest living actor and Lawrence Olivier.
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Jack English is so good.
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He was awesome.
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Best pool player to ever be a movie star, by far.
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Yeah.
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He was like a real good pool player, like a professional level pool player.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could see even though I played yeah in the hustler.
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He was he was making his own shots when Paul knew would make his shots This is not real.
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This is nonsense, but when Jackie Gleason did this a smooth fluidity to the way moves around But now why would you remake the hustler look we all love money money?
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Money was a separate book.
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Well, it was a sequel, but even so.
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But it was the same author.
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It left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Oh, it was a great movie, too.
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It s a great movie, too.
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Very accurate, too.
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Remember he did the flipping the pool cue?
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Mm-hmm.
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That s a little nonsense.
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People don t do that, especially not with a balabushka.
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But what he was doing in the movie, like portraying how people hustle and move around, that was all real.
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And it s by the same guy who also wrote The Queen s Gambit.
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Do you ever see that show on Netflix?
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Yeah, it s a great show.
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Amazing show.
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About that girl who s a wizard chess player?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, well that s the same guy.
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Walter Tevis, right?
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Is that his name?
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Yeah, he wrote The Hustler.
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How, like, compelling is her face and her energy?
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Oh yeah, you buy it all in.
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Whatever, you just buy it.
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Yeah, you buy all of it, yeah.
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You re really there with her.
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She was awesome.
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She s really good.
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Yeah.
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What is her name?
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Anna Joy?
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What is her name?
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I ll never know.
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Anna Taylor Joy.
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I like the fact that at least he bothered.
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That s one thing about Tom Cruise, he doesn t play games.
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He s in The Color of Money, he learns to do like nunchucks.
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By the way, nunchucks were big when I was a kid.
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Nunchucks just came out when I was a kid and people would have nunchucks.
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Everybody would walk around with a black eye.
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Nobody know how to use them.
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You just saw it in the movie.
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There was no YouTube tutorials.
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And even the teachers, the martial arts teachers didn t know what they were.
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So these guys, everybody had a black eye for like a long time.
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Yeah, I banged myself in the back of the head multiple times.
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Yeah, you did.
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Back of my head, crack.
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Now when you did this karate tournament in the 80s in New York, are you guys striking each other?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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And it s full contact, like they call it full contact.
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Yeah, well the karate tournament that I went to in New York was what was called a point tournament.
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And point tournaments were different than taekwondo tournaments in that there wasn t continuous action.
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You d hit the person and then they would stop and call a point.
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So it s almost like this really high level game of tag.
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Right wasn t really the thing that I did I did taekwondo tournaments primarily which will a continuous action and you would win by knockout a lot of times and Wow basically just trying to kick this other dude in the face or in the chest as hard as possible and Stop his body from working right?
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That s that was my objective.
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It was like the kumite Yeah, it was like that a little bit in taekwondo tournaments.
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You couldn t punch to the face You can only kick to the face and kick to the body
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And then I would transition from that into kickboxing, but it was all it was like when I went to New York City We were trying to do anything we would try anything we would there wasn t wasn t that many tournaments So if there was no Taekwondo tournaments, we would enter into karate tournaments.
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We re going I fought like probably I Probably fought a hundred times
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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If I counted all the tournaments, because oftentimes you d fight three or four times in a day.
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No kidding.
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Yeah.
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And my last kickboxing fight was the third fight of the day.
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I had three fights in one day.
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I won the first two fights and I lost the last one.
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Wow.
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In a day.
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That s crazy.
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Can you imagine?
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Yeah.
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It s good to be a kid, huh?
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It was good to be stupid.
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Yeah.
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If I had a kid today, I d say hey, you re not fighting again You just get hit in the head over and you come on and bruises all the time.
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It s not no.
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Yeah Well, you always came home from training and bruises.
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Yeah, and from fighting.
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Yeah, you get fucked up.
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Yeah, it s black I always had black eyes.
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I broke my nose.
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I Don t know.
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I probably 20 times I had to get it fixed I had to get the inside of it all cleaned up and it all calcified like a wrestler s ear Wow
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You know wrestlers get calcium?
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Yeah, of course.
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You get smashed in the nose enough, what happens is the inside of your nose, all that tissue swells up and bleeds, and then it gets broken, and your septum gets twisted and blocks off, and then you get calcium deposits inside your nose.
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Sure.
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Just like you get in your ears.
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Like a cave.
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Like rocks.
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It s the lag titans.
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Yeah.
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It was horrible.
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I couldn t breathe at all.
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I had a very nasal voice for a long time until I got it fixed.
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I was like 40 when I got it fixed.
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Wow.
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Yeah, because I kept breaking it.
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Because I was like, I m just going to keep breaking it.
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It s like, what am I going to do?
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I broke it like three times when I was on news radio.
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You did?
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Yeah, I was always breaking it.
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Sparring or just rolling.
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You accidentally get a knee to your face and then your nose is bleeding.
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You re like, well, I broke it again.
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Were you working out with Benny the Jet and those guys in the valley?
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I actually started at the Jet Center when I first moved to Hollywood.
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That was the first place I went to.
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That s great.
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There s two places I wanted to go to when I went to Hollywood.
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I wanted to go to the Comedy Store and I wanted to go to the Jet Center in Van Nuys.
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I found out about it, I was like, it s the Jet Setter, I can t believe it s real.
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And when I was there, Blinky Rodriguez, who is Benny s brother-in-law, amazing fighter too, like a great, great kickboxer, he had lost, I believe, a family member to gang violence.
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I don t want to say exactly who it was, because I m not sure if I remember, but I want to say a son to gang violence.
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And then, if it s not that, I apologize.
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And then so he offered free classes to gang members.
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So he wanted to teach these gang members like discipline.
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Give them a sense of like community and give them structure.
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Give them something they can.
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So I was taking kickboxing classes with gangbangers.
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So I moved from New York and I came to L.A.
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I didn t have any friends and here I am in my Volkswagen Corrado pulling up to the Jet Center in Van Nuys and I m taking kickboxing classes with gangbangers.
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Like this guy had this fucking tattoo on his back, this homemade tattoo of the name of his gang.
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It was like Platos and then underneath it it said fuck the rest.
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I was like oh boy.
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1994 this is back has his gang and then fuck yo What am I doing?
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So I had a spar with these guys so sparring with these gangbangers and You could like they didn t know what they were doing like a lot of them, right, but you couldn t I wouldn t hurt them I m not gonna hurt this guy
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You know, I m just gonna like touch him a little bit.
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I m just gonna like just give him a little foot, put a foot in his face.
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I m not gonna hurt him.
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I do not want to get shot in the parking lot.
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I do not want to get stabbed.
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You cannot humiliate one of these guys.
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So you just move around, be defensive with a swing punches, just work on blocks, work on moving, footwork, touch him a little bit, but there s no like going after him.
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That s great.
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It was scary.
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It was fucking scary.
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These guys were murderers.
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Van Nuys was a rough area by the 90s.
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Oh, it was super rough.
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It was super rough.
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But a lot of great kickboxers were there too.
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It was also like Pete Sugarfoot Cunningham was there and Blinky was there teaching classes, which to me was like as a kid who grew up watching him on TV to be in their gym.
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I was like, holy shit, this is crazy.
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But then, unfortunately, the earthquake fucked up the roof.
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And when it rained, when the rainy season came, the whole building got destroyed.
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The roof was all fucked up.
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Oh, you were there for the earthquake?
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I was there right after the earthquake.
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And then the rain came after that, and their building was fucked.
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So we eventually opened up a place in North Hollywood, and I went there for a while, but it was just Benny.
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It was a smaller place.
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I went to, I was in LA during the earthquake, during that 94 earthquake, and I was staying in this temporary housing place.
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It was across from Northridge, but it was in Westwood District.
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And I wake up, and I go, oh my God, I m dreaming that my bed is flying across this entire room.
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Oh, my God.
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My bed flew across the room.
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And it was scary, man.
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Oh, my God.
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I mean, my bed was fine, but buildings were collapsed all around me.
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People were in the street at 5 a.m.
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in their underwear, the whole city.
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Oh, my God.
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The whole neighborhood, I mean.
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I was only in a small earthquake.
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I was in a 5.5, and I was in my apartment in North Hollywood, and it was like I was in a washing machine box or a refrigerator box where it just had no stability.
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I was like, what?
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I thought an earthquake would be like,
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Everything s shaking.
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Everything moved.
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It just moved side to side, and I remember thinking, oh, shit.
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It s like having vertigo.
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But I was just thinking, this is a baby one?
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This is like a five?
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So a seven is how many times greater than this?
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Holy shit.
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Yeah, it fucked up Northridge, and Van Nuys got fucked more than any place.
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Another reason why I m glad I got out of L.A.
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in time, I m like, it s coming.
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Well, if you guys think you got it bad now, all the shit in the streets and all the tents and wait till a earthquake hits that mess.
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Well, about two weeks ago, I was in New York and I go, Oh, what the hell was that?
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Oh yeah.
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And it was an earthquake.
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Yeah.
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Earthquake in New York.
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It was crazy.
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That s so unusual.
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Yeah, I never even heard of it.
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So this earthquake in Van Nuys, I guess it fucked up the roof of that building and it condemned a lot of buildings.
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It destroyed that whole area.
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Northbridge is right next to Van Nuys.
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Yeah, the place flooded.
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There s a photo of me, Jamie.
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There it is.
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There s a photo of me, like a black and white photo of me from a long time ago throwing punches, and it was taken at the Jet Center.
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The original Jet Center?
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Yeah.
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It was like 1994.
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There s like this photo of me.
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I went ripped.
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I was young and healthy back then.
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Great.
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Yeah, back in the old days that kid had most of my hair.
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Yeah, it s crazy, right?
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Yeah, that s it.
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Whoa That s me at the Jet Center in 1994.
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You re like Sean Connery.
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I don t know what s going on with my lips, but I was in the middle of throwing punches.
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And you used to go there all the time, huh?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and they had a photographer there one day.
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And when did you pass at the comedy store?
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94.
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You passed right away?
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No, like six months.
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Mitzi?
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Yeah, Mitzi gave me six months.
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She didn t like that I was already on a TV show.
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Oh, you were already on the show?
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Yeah, I was already on NewsRadio.
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She didn t like that.
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Oh, that s why you went out to LA?
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Yeah, I went out to LA just for NewsRadio.
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I had no interest in acting.
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I was purely being a prostitute.
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I was just willing to go out and act for money.
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But what a great first thing to be on.
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Yeah, all I cared about was stand-up.
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I just wanted to do stand-up.
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And then I was like, OK, maybe this is my career now.
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OK, maybe I m acting now.
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And then all of a sudden, I m doing this stuff.
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And I was like, this is weird.
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I had no acting classes before I was on TV.
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You didn t?
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No, nothing.
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When I got a development deal with Disney, they made me get an acting coach.
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So I did a couple of one-on-ones with this lady and I didn t like it.
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There was a lot of weird ego stuff going on.
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She also wanted to be my mom in the show.
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There was a lot of weird stuff.
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Oh yeah, of course.
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But that world was not interesting in that world.
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And I was like, this is not, I m just gonna do my best.
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I m just gonna do it the way I would do it, which is pretend.
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Pretend this is actually happening.
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Pretend I m this dumb guy.
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Pretend this is actually happening.
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But I didn t know what I was doing.
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Like, I didn t know where upstage was.
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I was on television.
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They were like, Joe, could you move, like, six inches upstage?
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I m like, which way s that?
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Like, which way s upstage?
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Like, it s flat.
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And I didn t know that old stages used to be slanted, and upstage meant you moved backwards, which is kind of crazy.
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Instead of saying, would you step back, move upstage.
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Like, everybody s using these old-timey terms for a slanted stage so that the whole audience who s seated there could see everything, because they did it in front of a live crowd.
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But that must have been fun, doing it in front of a live crowd.
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It was fun.
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It was fun when you got good lines, but you didn t really get to control.
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Like, the first show that I did was terrible.
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It was called Hardball.
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That s what I came out to LA for.
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I think I remember this.
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It was a baseball show.
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So that got canceled, and then I got lucky that I had a development deal with NBC right after that, and I was going to do my own show, but they said, hey, we got a part on this show that we re already going to do, and we re going to recast it.
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And so it was originally Ray Romano.
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I know.
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Yeah, so Ray got fired.
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Yes.
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And then they replaced it with a guy and that guy got fired and they replaced it with me.
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Oh, they replaced it with a guy.
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Which made me feel better because at least I didn t take the job from Ray.
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I took the job from some guy.
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Even if you did, Ray obviously stunk and he got what he deserved.
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Well, it was the best thing that happened to him because then he went and does everything that Ray did.
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Oh, of course, of course.
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But I love Ray, and so it was weird.
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It was weird, but it was okay because the other guy got the job first.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then all of a sudden I m on this fucking show with Phil Hartman and Andy Dick and Dave Foley.
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I m like, this is crazy.
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It s crazy.
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I ve been acting for all of four months ever.
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I did one terrible TV show.
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Yeah, and here you are.
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Two acting classes.
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Here you are.
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And how long were you doing stand-up at that time?
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six years.
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So it was good.
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Yeah, in the game.
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I was in the game, but I wasn t that good yet.
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No.
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And like you said, you work with Phil Hartman.
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Phil Hartman is one of the legends of all time.
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He was a sweetheart, too.
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What a great guy.
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He was a great guy.
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A genuinely interesting, weird guy.
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I don t know anybody like him.
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I mean, he did the
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from my journey.
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He did the Crosby, Stills, Nash album art.
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He s an artist.
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We have one of his albums out here.
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Isn t it crazy that he was an artist?
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Yeah.
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Oh, he s a brilliant artist.
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He was also a pilot.
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When I bought my house in the valley, he took me to these areas when his plane took me over to show me areas where he could move to.
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Wow.
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He was living in Encino, and I think I was still in Encino at the time too, and I had had a stalker.
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And so I realized, I ve got to get a little further out.
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People knowing where you live thing is just too weird.
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I ve got to go to a place that s more secure.
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And so then when I moved out to the valley, Phil took me out there on his plane to show me areas.
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When you re flying over these places, you see all these trees and the hills and the mountains.
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I was like, oh, this is beautiful.
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I m going to live here and just drive in.
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That s way better.
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It s great.
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Yeah.
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And you guys were in Burbank?
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We did it in a bunch of different places.
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We did it at CVS Radford for a while.
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That s the best location.
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Sunset Gower.
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We did it for the most, I think.
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I love it there.
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Yeah, Radford s great.
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Great lot.
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Jerry s Deli and everything s right nearby.
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Jerry s Deli s gone.
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It is?
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I think it is.
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All of them are gone.
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I think it is.
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I know the one in the valley in Woodland Hills is gone.
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That was a bummer, man.
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That was fun.
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Oh, that place was so good.
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In the 90s.
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I was just talking about LA in the 90s, how you could drive around to Jeff and there was traffic was nothing.
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Now it s you can t move.
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Yeah, it s a overpopulation cities makes it way more tense.
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Yeah, like people were way more tense now than they were in the 90s.
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Yeah, it was like a way more relaxed city.
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That s hard to believe.
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Because everybody in their head is like, LA is like, beep, beep, fuck you.
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Everybody s doing coke and on their way to a business meeting, right?
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Back then, it was like, you could get to work in a half an hour.
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It wasn t that big a deal.
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Now it s a fucking, if you, where I used to live in the valley, if I wanted to go to the comedy store, the comedy store is 22 miles from my house.
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It would take me, 22-ish, I m guessing, but it would take me...
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hour 10 minutes hour in 10 minutes at you know at 7 o clock well now I try to leave at 5 it s 2 hours I need 2 hours if I have a meeting in Hollywood at 5 I have to leave my house by 3 or I m fucked
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That s crazy.
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That s ridiculous.
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That s two hours to go 22 miles.
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And that s normal.
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And that ain t even Long Island.
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How about people making it into the city in the daytime?
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Yeah.
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You ever get stuck in that mess?
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Sure.
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People coming from the island and going across the fucking bridge?
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Oh, Jesus Christ.
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It s crazy.
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You just want to jump off the bridge.
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Yeah.
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And guys do it every day just so they can have a lawn.
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Every day.
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Every day.
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Just so they can have a lawn.
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Yeah.
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Just exhausted.
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Well, it s also taxes, I m sure.
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Taxes, but also you want a backyard.
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I want a backyard.
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And when Saturday comes along,
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I want to sit with a cup of coffee on a fucking porch and see a deer, maybe.
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That s right.
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You know?
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Let me fucking relax a little bit.
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Relax.
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Do I really have to be a part of that fucking concrete horse shit?
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Yeah.
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Because there s something about living in the concrete horse shit that some people love.
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I love it.
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They love it.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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You love the energy, right?
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Yeah.
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Just all the people around you.
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I don t know.
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Everything s happening.
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I like to, yeah.
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I m just so used to it.
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It s my whole, you know what I mean?
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But I liked L.A.
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When I lived in L.A., I loved L.A.
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But I lived all over L.A.
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You know, and I like driving, but that s the thing.
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In LA, you just have to be in love with your car.
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If you love your car, you love LA.
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If you don t love your car, you don t love LA.
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That s a good point.
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That s a good point.
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And in LA, the problem, though, if you re fucking around with, like, a Tesla with 30% power, you got 30% battery left, and it s 3 p.m., like, oh, buddy, you might be fucked.
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You might be like really fucked like you might be your car might die on this road.
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Oh, you re fucked.
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Yeah Yeah, you re fucked.
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You got to drive two hours.
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You gotta drive to San Diego.
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What?
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Yeah, you can t know
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It s gonna be five hours.
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They say all the people that commute to LA now like they caught they don t just carpool their apartment pool So they don t go home.
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They go to work Monday.
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They stay till Friday and then they go home.
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That is so insane That s so they have to rent an apartment together.
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I have to stop saying nice things about Austin
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Stop saying nice things about it.
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Yeah, there s too many construction cranes.
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Oh, I know.
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It s great.
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It s booming.
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I just saw it the other day.
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But there s so many companies moved here.
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Yeah.
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There s just so much shit going on here.
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So I don t want this to become like that.
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Yeah.
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I think there s something about Texas, though, that rebels, that will always rebel.
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And they realize how bad people fucked it up in California.
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And hopefully the people that moved here realize how bad they fucked it up.
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They ve always had one foot out of the country, Texas, let s face it.
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They came in reluctantly, and they ve been here reluctantly.
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They got one foot out.
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They re like, we don t need, we ll leave.
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Well, when you know about the history of this country, this land, this area, I mean, this is a brutal, brutal place.
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Yeah.
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You ever read The Empire of the Summer Moon?
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No.
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Oh my God, I get it to you.
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You got to read it.
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It s incredible.
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It s a history of this place.
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It s the Comanche Indians and the history of the Texas Rangers.
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The Comanche Indians, yeah.
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I like that.
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The madness.
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Yeah.
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I mean, clearly, what the colonizers did, what the people moved here, what they did was horrible.
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No one has ever denied that.
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But if you don t know what the Comanches were doing to other Indians, if you don t know what the
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raiding parties would do.
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They did some of the wildest shit.
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They would start a bonfire and right before they threw the guy on the bonfire they would hold him out by his arms and legs, hack off his arms and his legs while he s still alive and throw him on the fire to watch him squirm like a worm.
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Unbelievable they would feed people their friends.
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They would cut people to pieces in front of you.
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They took no one Surrendered ever you always fought to the death because if you were captured you are 100% gonna get tortured tortured and killed for no just because that s what they have fun There was no prisoners of war.
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There was no honor.
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There was nothing this European bullshit.
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Yeah, they were doing it old-school
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Old school.
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And that was the entire country, except for the agriculture.
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There s a lot of people that accepted agriculture in the Southeast, and they were calmer and not war-bearing, and they weren t even riding horses a lot.
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The Comanches were the horse-bearing ones.
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They were the best with horses, and they were the most fierce, and they only ate meat, so they could go for days without food, unlike some of the settlers, some of the people that were trying to make it across, and some of the people that they fought.
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What about, I ve been reading this book, speaking of cruelty, Jerusalem.
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It s about the history of Jerusalem.
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So the early sieges and the same torture techniques, but you know, he gave it to me, this guy, you know Kevin Fitzgerald?
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Yes.
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Comedian, but he s a bodyguard for the Rolling Stones.
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Yeah.
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I just worked with him last week and he was just, you know, he was telling me the Stone stories.
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He was bodyguard for 20 years for the Stones.
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He tells the greatest, because he s a very intelligent guy.
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But he was a boxer, then became a bodyguard for the Stones, and then moved on and started doing stand-up.
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And he s also got, like, doctorates in veterinary medicine.
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But he started telling me, do you ever hear this one about Mick Jagger, about the people in wheelchairs?
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Because, you know, you just feel like, oh, Keith was a cool guy, Mick was a good guy.
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Mick Jagger, every day.
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Every show for 20 years would take this guy Kevin, put on a hoodie so nobody could recognize him, go up, because in those days they put the wheelchairs in a, if you were in a wheelchair, they wouldn t let you be with your friends.
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They d put you in a separate wheelchair section in the balcony.
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Everybody in a wheelchair had to go.
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Mick Jagger would go up with 8-Tracks t-shirts, hand them out, never told the press, never made sure nobody knew about it except this bodyguard, and talk to all the people in wheelchairs and give them t-shirts and give them 8-Tracks for 20 years.
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wow isn t that cool that s wild but this guy tells a million stories you know he s been buying over 20 years wow he s got great stories that s cool how do we get to him what were we just talking about uh jerusalem and the comanches and the so torture techniques so this book on jerusalem like what
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I ve thought about, what is the name of it?
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Jerusalem, a history or something.
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I ve thought about reading about it and I get anxiety.
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The book?
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Not that particular book, but about Israel and Palestine.
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But this book goes back to the beginning.
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This book is really, I mean I just saw, I ve only read like the first couple of, it s amazing.
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Is it this book?
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That s the one.
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It s crazy.
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It s a crazy place.
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It s wild.
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And it starts out, you re like, oh my God, it started on the most bloody, but somehow everybody knew it was significant even then.
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Like it was never this place that people weren t like, they were always like, no, this is the place.
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What do you think about that?
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Do you think, does that make any sense?
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What?
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Is there a place that s more holy than other places?
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Um, you mean like Sedona?
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Yeah, Sedona s a good one.
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That s a good one for hippies.
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For hippies believe Sedona s like a sacred place.
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Yeah.
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Well, I always feel like this.
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Well, even when I was just at the gig, I was at the gig with Kevin Fitzgerald.
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It was in, uh,
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where the Shining is in Colorado, where they shot the Shining, that hotel.
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And so they go, it s haunted.
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And I m talking to the kid that works there, and he goes, listen, he goes, I didn t believe any of this shit.
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He goes, I ve worked here for two years.
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It s real.
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He goes, Lucy, they knew the names of the ghosts.
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Lucy, she s a redhead.
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He goes, I opened the mirror when I m here alone at one in the morning, because it s kind of a really out of the way place, you know?
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He goes, he starts describing all these things that happened.
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You re like, oh God.
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So I do believe this place is sure.
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Yeah.
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I think there s something to some of it.
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There has to be.
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Yeah.
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What is energy?
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What does it mean?
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Why are they willing to kill each other over one place because they think God s coming to this one place?
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What do they know?
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It s so important to them.
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You re going to love this book.
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I m sure.
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Because this is exactly the point.
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How about Mecca?
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Yeah, how many Muslims travel to Mecca?
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Yeah, and you re you re you re absolved of your sins Yeah, you go to Mecca you make the pilgrimage and they all go around and they re what they re essentially walking around a meteor Yeah, it s a meteorite, right?
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Is it?
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Yeah, I think that s the center.
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Isn t that what it s the center of that box in Mecca?
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I Think that s what it is.
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Look at that.
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I
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I mean when you also like how beautiful is that if I go there you probably really believe Even I mean it probably even if it wasn t true would have that effect on you.
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Yeah, just psychologically Going to this incredible with all these people People and everybody s peaceful and nobody s talking about Medina.
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Nobody s talking about anything Mecca and Medina and they always talk about Becca.
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It s like Springsteen and John Kugelman, you know
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That s the other one the other one So is it say there s a stone there But isn t there Google meteor or meteorite It s where the yeah, it s where Mohammed first saw the thing, right?
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I think there s there s something to the Okay, there it is
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Oh, there it is.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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The embedded black stone was a further symbol of this as a meteorite that had fallen from the sky and linked heaven and earth.
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Yeah.
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It s crazy that they got one spot.
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They ll fight over that spot.
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You can t have that spot.
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They do?
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Oh, yeah.
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Imagine if the United States wanted to put a military base on that spot.
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No, you got to take away your religious spot.
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It s not real.
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They would take away your spot.
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That would be a real deal breaker.
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That could be a deal breaker.
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Oh, there s Medina right next to it.
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They just spelled it different.
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I keep thinking about Tyler Perry s character.
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Medina.
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That s Mecca, that s Medina.
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And Medina was cool too?
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Oh yeah, they always say Mecca and Medina.
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Oh really?
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I only heard Mecca.
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I know because people pray to Mecca, they don t pray to Medina.
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How come?
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I think you have to go to both.
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So is it like a... It s a major Islamic, they re really downgrading Medina, I don t like this.
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The tombs are there, the tomb of the Prophet Muhammad and other leaders are at Medina.
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Is it like Simon and Garfunkel?
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Like one of them they just who for everybody was Garfunkel.
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He was great.
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What happened?
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He was great.
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Oh What happened Yeah, so these Garfunkel those things happen although I m sure they wouldn t of all the people to be compared to I m don t think Simon and Garfunkel what they d want to be compared to if you don t I mean I know what you mean.
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I do know what you mean
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They say, can you name somebody else, please?
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But I wonder what is so specific about that area, you know?
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Yeah.
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No, I think Mohammed s from there or something.
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Yeah.
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And also the areas in Israel, these areas that are, you know, the wall.
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Well, this Jerusalem book is really getting into it.
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And I m like, oh my God, just the early stuff that s happening.
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There it is.
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Okay, it s known as a site where the Prophet Muhammad received the command to change the direction of prayer to Mecca.
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Oh, so that s where he learned it.
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Yeah.
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It s a weird time for religion, for sure.
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It s also a weird time for the Jews.
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I ve never seen more antisemitism openly, public and openly, than now.
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Just regular antisemitism, not even towards these particular Israelis that are bombing Gaza.
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Just across the board.
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Yes.
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As if some 24-year-old kid in New York is responsible for what s happening in Palestine.
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Right.
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Just because he has a Star of David on.
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Yeah.
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It s crazy.
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It s crazy.
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The internet has also got a group hysteria, like a mob hysteria to it.
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100%.
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And then people are just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and get out all your things on that.
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100%.
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That s exactly what it is.
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And it s also a bunch of people that have been bullied and they ve been marginalized and now they re a part of a team and then they bully other people.
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Absolutely.
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It s an old hurt people hurt people thing.
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It s absolutely.
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There s suddenly you know what it feels like to be in a gang only you don t have to
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worry about physical repercussions exactly and that s a good feeling yeah and our destroy you got power yeah yeah it s changed our psychology completely or ours a little bit but the people who grew up on it have a whole different psychology they have a whole different mind than we do
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Yeah, they do.
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Yeah.
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And there s also a lot of really mentally ill people that are addicted to it.
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Yeah, of course.
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Of course.
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That s a big part of it, right?
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And you watch them get more and more obsessed each day.
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You watch them become more and more compulsive and more and more.
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You see it happen over the years.
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I ve seen it with people I know.
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Yeah, they fall apart.
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I know quite a few people that are really falling apart because of it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever thought about going to the flip phone?
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A flip phone?
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Yeah.
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I don t even know if I had a flip phone back when they came out.
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Completely disconnect.
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Like Dave Vettel, he s all flip phone.
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He is.
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Flip phone.
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Yeah.
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When he texts, he had a text, when he was making a text in here, it s like... It takes him forever.
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It takes him forever to write a letter.
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I like when that guy, Christopher Nolan, did you see his wife gave that speech when he won the Academy Award this year?
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No.
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And she gave the speech, she goes, she was the producer I guess of the movie, and she goes, and my husband who doesn t have a phone, never had a phone, never had a computer, this guy does all these high tech things, he doesn t own a computer or a phone.
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Wow.
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Isn t that weird?
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It is weird.
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Tucker Carlson doesn t have a computer either.
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Wow.
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Doesn t have a television.
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I remember here in the 90s, Quentin Tarantino wrote his scripts by hand, like he never used even a typewriter or computer.
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You d think a guy like him would be into it.
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Well, a lot of people like writing things by hand.
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In fact, I m pretty sure J.K.
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Rowling wrote Harry Potter by hand.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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Pretty sure she wrote it by hand.
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See if that s true.
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I think she wrote it by hand first and then typed it out later.
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I mean, that s so amazing.
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I also think that s how Bill Clinton wrote his autobiography.
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My Life?
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Yeah, he wrote it.
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I m 99% sure he wrote it.
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I mean, that s crazy to me.
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Yeah.
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I wrote the first two Potters by hand.
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Wow.
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And typed them on a 10-year-old typewriter.
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All a writer needs is talent and ink.
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That s insane.
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That is amazing.
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That s amazing.
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Hand drawn plot map for Inception.
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Wow.
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That s nuts.
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That is nuts.
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Wow.
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What a psycho.
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No computer.
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That s crazy, and this guy does like the most advanced screen, his movies are always like.
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Maybe that s why, maybe he realizes he has more bandwidth for concentrating on something that s really important to him and less room for nonsense.
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But those things, you d think they would give you more time for that kind of thought, but no he doesn t.
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Yeah, but I think they also distract you.
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There s so much distraction online, it s so difficult to do work.
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And I guess if you just choose to not engage in it at all, then you re only concentrating on work, because you re not checking your favorite sites.
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You re not seeing what s on YouTube.
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And him and J.K.
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Rowling both go in the magic realm.
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They go into another realm, so maybe that s how they get there.
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Especially J.K.
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She created a whole world.
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She really did.
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A whole world of wizards and lost kids and magic spells.
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Great shit.
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Amazing.
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Yeah.
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And now she s in trouble.
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Oh, God.
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She thinks men are men and women are women.
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I mean, it s just insane that she can actually have that kind of insane opinion.
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How dare?
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How dare she?
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How dare?
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It s psychotic.
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Because she s in real trouble.
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Everybody s like, oh, she s not canceled.
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Yeah.
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I mean, she s making her money because of her books, but don t act like she s not canceled.
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Yeah.
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Well, people are, there s, she gets death threats.
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I mean, it s like, she s- Sickening.
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Sickening.
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It s weird.
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It s a weird time.
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It s weird.
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The weirdest.
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That s a big part of it like people like that can all get together people that think that s okay Yeah, get together and act as a gang and everyone s so terrified of them.
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They just kind of let them do it Yeah, and nobody nobody like stands up and says what the fuck are you doing?
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Yeah, everybody s just kind of quiet even even people that are on the left They ll they will support the people that are canceling her so that they don t get canceled.
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Oh
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Yeah.
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You see it happen all the time.
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Yep.
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Instead of saying, hey, you know, she s a wonderful person and she has a right to her opinion.
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Yeah.
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It s a very reasonable opinion, in fact.
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Yeah.
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What are you saying?
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It s crazy.
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What are you saying?
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It s terrible.
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Yeah.
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And that s why they re so adamant about getting you to comply.
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There can t be any debate on it because they know it s ridiculous.
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So they have to like fight you with tooth and nail.
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Trans women are women.
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Yeah.
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And you re like, okay, all of them?
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Are you sure?
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Are you sure all of them?
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Maybe you got a few psychos in there that are pretending?
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Yeah.
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No?
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No?
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Okay.
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It s crazy.
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Yeah.
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And those are the ones that go after J.K.
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Rowling, the psychos.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, at least she stands up.
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That lady s got courage.
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She s got a lot of courage.
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Yeah.
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She won t stop talking about it.
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I think she probably probably took her forever to realize, like, this isn t going away.
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So this is just what it is.
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Fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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The truth is the truth.
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Fuck off.
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Fuck off.
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I had Riley Gaines on the podcast.
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Oh, yeah.
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The swimmer.
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Yeah.
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That s that s crazy case.
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Yeah.
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You just let a guy start swimming with girls.
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Yeah.
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Because he says he s a girl.
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And then when he wins, you go, well, I guess she s the best.
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You re like, excuse me, I got to clean my goggles for a second.
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I think I saw something.
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Can you imagine when we were kids this ever being a legitimate issue that s like national?
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But it s just everybody on the sidelines is watching the pool go on.
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Yeah.
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They should all be able to vote.
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Everyone should vote at every one of these things.
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How many of you think that a biological male should be elected?
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And if you say yes, and if it wins, then the biological males can comply.
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That s absolutely right.
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If everybody says no, no you can t do it.
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But that s the thing.
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Instead of just saying look,
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We all understand trans people deserve rights.
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They get abused.
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We all agree.
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But you can t be in the swim team with girls.
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You can t fight girls.
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You can t.
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You just can t.
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You can t play rugby against girls.
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You can t even play basketball against girls.
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You re too big.
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Stop.
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But saying that is really
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Considered hate speech.
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I know that s what s nuts despite but that s where it s anti-science because if you just want to look at it objectively if you didn t think of it as a man and a woman if you just took it took it like an equation if you just looked at the numbers that are on one side of this equation if you re trying to pretend that these two numbers are equivalent and you look at one of them and it has much greater lung capacity much stronger heart
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Denser bones different hip structure less susceptibility to ACL tears different reaction times if you just looked at just the system just a system of what it means to be a male human being and Compared it to like the elite of elite female human beings.
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You d go.
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Oh, this is not an equal.
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It s not equal
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It s just not equal.
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And I guarantee, here s the sad part also, is I guarantee most trans people feel the same way and they can t say it.
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Right, because they re not trying to compete.
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Because they ll be considered sellouts if they say it in their community.
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They ll be considered sellouts and they re not allowed to say their opinion.
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Well, there s a rift now between a lot of gay people and trans people.
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That too, yeah.
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Because a lot of gay people are like, look, I m not a girl.
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I just like guys.
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Yeah.
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They re like, don t say I m... And you re encouraging young boys to change their gender.
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Yeah.
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And they re not going to be able to come anymore.
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Like, if you re encouraging them to get the operation, which is crazy because they re doing thousands of them, you ll never have an orgasm again.
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They remove your penis.
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It s gone.
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They create a vagina.
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You have to keep it dilated with a thingy stuff up there.
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Yeah.
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Are you sure?
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Are you sure?
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Wait till you re, you know, 35.
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At least.
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Before you make those decisions.
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Yeah.
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If you re a 35 year old guy and you want to become a girl.
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God bless you.
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God bless you.
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But that s the thing.
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I think a lot of trans people agree with all of this.
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I think they do too.
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And they just, they know that they re not allowed because
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They don t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and it s like there s a lot of things going on with it like why would I Sacrifice against my community when I m just gonna get screwed by both sides on it That s that s the other thing goes on with the internet hysteria Is that suddenly if you deviate at all you re out in bad standing with everybody?
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Yeah.
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Well, that s a problem with D transitioners the people that transition deep regret they get attacked they get attacked.
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It s crazy
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Yeah, and then gay people who say that they wanted to be trans when they were younger, but then they realize they re just gay when they re older, and thank God I didn t do anything.
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Those people get attacked.
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Yeah.
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But that s a large number.
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There was a study about that, about how a lot of the people that thought that they were trans when they were younger, in time, they re just gay.
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Yeah.
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But when there s a thing that you re told, like, oh no, you re this, and then they give you hormones, which adjusts everything.
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literally changes the way you feel.
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And for girls to boys, it alleviates anxiety, which is a problem, because then you think, this is what I ve always been.
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Because you re taking testosterone.
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Of course you re going to feel different.
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And now you re saying, oh, this is how I always was.
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If it is how you always were, you wouldn t have to take this exogenous hormone.
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That wouldn t be necessary.
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If you think you re a boy, just be a boy.
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You might just be a gay girl.
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And if you think you re a boy and you re a girl, just live your life the way you want to live your life.
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But if you start injecting things into your body when you re 14 or 15 years old, you ll never be the same again.
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You don t have a chance at normalcy.
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It s gone.
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If you change your mind and one day you decide to have children, you might not be able to.
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You might have ruined your voice.
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You might have changed and masculinized your features permanently forever.
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And you might not have really wanted that.
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You might have just had anxiety.
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I mean, I started smoking cigarettes when I was 14, even though it s a different thing, but it s the same.
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They say if you start smoking before you re 18, you have the chance of dying young of lung cancer.
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A thousand different.
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Oh, yeah.
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It s a year s thing, right?
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Yeah.
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How many years you smoke?
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Yeah, I mean.
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It s what year you start, too.
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The crazy thing is, like, when we were kids, people hadn t really got it in their head that smoking was killing people.
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Yeah.
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They fought that so long.
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They did such a great job bullshitting people.
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They did such a great job of saying, eh, it s probably not that bad for you.
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Because smoking looks cool.
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It does look cool.
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It still looks cool.
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I see those old French-Italian movies.
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I m like, oh, man, they re living.
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They re fucking sitting there smoking.
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Badass.
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It s also the idea when you know it s bad for you that this person doesn t care that it s bad for them.
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They re living for now.
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Yeah, well that s true too.
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That s a person in the moment just living for now.
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Fuck the future.
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I remember when I was 11, I had to go down to, I wanted to buy a 45 record.
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I m from the days, there were 45 records.
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And I asked my aunt, could I have a cigarette?
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Because you had to walk two avenues, and each block, three blocks and two avenues, and every block, there was a group of kids, also 11 years old, that were up at that hour.
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Hey you, that s what you didn t want to hear.
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Kid like oh So I said if I have a cigarette I ll just it wasn t lit and she gave me a cigarette a tarry tin and I walked down the bog my cigarette nobody was out anyway, but You know that was my move that and the karate max.
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Yeah, that s too good and the six judo class young kid with a cigarette This is dangerous little fuck.
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Yeah, we got a knife, but the karate man you had to really commit I literally had to stand on the train like this in a horse stance and
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Yeah, and stand like this with the magazine open, the train s moving like this, middle of the subway.
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Who s gonna do that?
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A karate guy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Smart.
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He s definitely better than putting in all that work.
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You don t want to do that.
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Sadly that s really my motive was that of a lazy person.
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Yeah, you don t wanna get hit in the head a bunch of times.
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You know how many guys I know can t breathe out of their nose?
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Fucking large percentage of them.
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But Owen Smith, he went and got the trophy.
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That s even better.
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That s a smart move.
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So funny.
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He s a funny dude, man.
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Oh, funny.
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Just walk around with his trophy.
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He s so funny.
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That s so hilarious.
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Such a funny thing to do.
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I knew a story about a dude who was a fake black belt.
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He actually wound up killing a guy later on in life.
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Wow, he wasn t that fake.
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No, it s a crazy story, but the guy was just a compulsive liar, pathological liar.
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And he claimed he was a black belt in some martial art, and a lot of people started getting real suspicious of him.
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What he did was he made his friend drop him off in the woods, and he brought a duffel bag with him, and he said he was entering into a kumite, like a no-rules kumite, a karate fight in the woods, and come back and pick me up here tomorrow.
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So the guy shows up the next day and now he doesn t have the duffel bag, but now he has a trophy That s the same size as the duffel bag and he said he won the tournament And so he gets in the guy s car and the guy drives him back like what?
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Wow.
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So he s telling, he just made up a karate tournament in the woods and had his friend drop him off and then had a bag that he brought with him.
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He was so not clutch, like brought a duffel bag.
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What s in the duffel bag?
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Oh, you know, whatever.
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My gi, my whatever, my gi.
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There s a karate tournament trophy in there.
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Well, I guess you tell them, they kind of got to say, yeah, I like that kit.
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You call a compulsive liar, I call him a creative thinker.
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So a little credit for his martial arts.
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He was apparently allegedly banging this guy s wife and Found the guy got the guy like in his karate studio and strangled the guy to death and then was seen driving around in the guy s car and
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And eventually got arrested for it.
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Now, wait a minute.
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He was he had a karate studio?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He was a fake black belt that had a martial arts studio.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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And he actually had some people that trained with him that were legit martial artists that he didn t know.
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And he was kind of just proficient enough in the bullshit and got some guys who actually knew a little bit.
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Yes.
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Right.
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He s just like, hey, do fingertips push-ups for 20 minutes.
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I could teach you how to choke a person pretty quickly.
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It s not hard to teach someone how to do this with your arm and that with your arm.
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It s just being able to do it to a person is very difficult.
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But I could show you very quickly how to squeeze it off, and you would be really effective at it.
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And so that s what he did to this guy.
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He strangled him to death.
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He got behind him and he just choked him to death.
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And then he stole his car and just driving around.
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I don t know what they did with the body.
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I don t remember exactly what happened.
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But I remember, like, because we had already confronted that guy on being a fake.
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My friend Eddie actually had a very uncomfortable phone conversation with him while I was with him.
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Where he s like, you re full of shit, man.
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You re not a black belt.
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There s no fucking way you re a black belt.
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Because he was telling him, he did another thing while we were together.
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He went to Thailand to compete in some mixed martial arts fight.
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And he had just learned this move called the twister.
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Very difficult move to pull off.
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And he came back and he told Eddie that he won his fight by the twister.
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And Eddie was like, what?
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Like, how did you do that?
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You don t know how to do that.
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Like, you don t, you re not good.
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Like, he knew, he had rolled with the guy.
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He knew the guy was terrible.
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And he was saying that, oh, I m a black belt in Japanese jiu-jitsu, it s different.
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Like, okay.
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But he was like, no, he was incompetent.
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It was like a white belt on the ground.
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And so he knew when he said that he won this match, like, he didn t really go to Thailand.
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Like, this is fake.
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This guy s a nut.
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And so,
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Eddie had separated from him and then after that we hear the story that he killed this guy and was driving the guy s fucking Jaguar around town like holy shit.
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Yeah.
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Don t you think that compulsive liars like I feel like there s not enough research on
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what it is, because sometimes you ll be like, that s not true, and they look at you, and you re not embarrassing them.
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Part of them believes it s true.
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They re broken.
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I think they re broken.
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They don t care if you feel good or bad.
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They just want you to buy their story.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they re not really there.
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They re not really connecting to you.
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That s their only mission in life.
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Sometimes it doesn t even benefit them, and that s the most important thing to them.
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Have you read about guys who have pretended to be doctors and set up practices and operated on people?
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I went to one.
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The guy, I went to one in- For real?
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Yeah.
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This is in the 90s.
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And I ll tell you, it s all over the paper.
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Dean, I forget his last name, but he s in prison right now for life.
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Dean, I ll look it up later.
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But anyway, somebody tells me, I had like a cyst on my arm.
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So they go, oh, I know a guy that ll take it off.
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He s a good dermatologist, Dean something.
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Anyway, so he sets up an appointment and it s on a Saturday at a doctor s, Park Avenue.
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it s but it s Saturday and I was like oh cool I m off Saturday I go over to his office I walk in when I think back now it was like nobody no receptionist just him he goes yeah I m just working Saturday on myself he goes I let the receptionist off I was like oh cool I go in the office it s kind of dark you know but it s
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doctor s office and I don t know I guess he worked for the doctor when he had the keys or something was in him and he Slices the thing off.
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It kind of hurt it.
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It healed very badly, but it healed but it was not a great job I remember thinking I ll never go back to that guy.
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He overdid it, you know, yeah Yeah, it wasn t the Novocaine was weird.
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Whatever.
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Anyway, like four years later Dean Paiello FAA FAA.
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I was waiting to make sure that s a guy sheds light on
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botched procedure that left New York woman dead nearly 20 years ago.
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Oh my god.
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He buried her under a concrete slab in his garage.
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It s a good thing I left on my own.
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Holy shit what a psycho.
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Yeah and it was like really like he looked like you know he s like well quaffed hair and his crazy eyebrows.
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Is that the guy?
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Yeah.
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I knew him 20 years ago.
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He looked much better.
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He got out, huh?
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I don t know exactly how they were talking to him.
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He got out.
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No, when he was young.
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That picture doesn t do him justice.
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Was he creepy looking?
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What s that?
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Was he creepy?
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Yeah, you got to see the young, when he s young, the picture of when he s young.
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He looks like...
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Not creepy, but it just looks like he would do it.
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Yeah, there he is on the left.
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That s Dean.
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Yeah.
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That s when they caught him.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Fake doctor Dean Faiello feared something would go wrong.
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Yeah, I went to him.
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Do you think?
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Did he have any medical history?
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I mean, he must have worked for an office because he had the keys to the doctor s office.
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He must have been like a crazy person.
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He was a receptionist or something.
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Yeah.
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And what year was this where he s doing all this stuff?
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He s from Madison, New Jersey.
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Most likely to succeed by his classmates.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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He worked in construction before being employed at a day spa, became skilled at hair removal.
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1996, he began his own practice, skin ovations from an office on Park Avenue.
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Wow.
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The blood vessel removal, tattoo removal, and this... He s selling himself short.
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He also removed moles.
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Wow.
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That must have been the office, Park Avenue and 73rd.
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So how did she die?
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How did this lady die?
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Let s see, lidocaine.
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He had completed the same procedure on Cruz over a dozen times before without her experiencing an allergic reaction to lidocaine.
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Oh, he was not licensed to perform this procedure.
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He admitted doing it at least 14 times on Cruz alone.
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He went on to claim that after some time, Cruz had bubbles coming out of her mouth and her body went limp.
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By his own account, he delayed calling for help, allegedly attempting CPR, but could not get her to start breathing again.
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He adds that despite being previously certified in electrolysis for hair removal, he didn t have the proper training.
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for what to do when a patient goes into shock.
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Jesus Christ, what a crazy person.
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An unverified claim made by Faiello, who is not licensed or trained to make medical diagnoses, and claims that he didn t know how to check for a pulse.
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He admitted walking away while he believed she was dying of shock.
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Faiello later called a doctor he knew personally to explain his version of what happened to Cruz.
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According to Vanity Fair reporter Brian Burrow, the doctor told him to either call 911 or rush Cruz to a hospital emergency room.
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Instead of helping Cruz, Faiello shoved Cruz s body into a black suitcase.
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which had been stolen days earlier from his housemate Mark Ritchie.
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Fiello claims he put the suitcase containing Maria Cruz in his car and drove straight home.
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Then he left her in the trunk for two days before finally removing her body into his garage, which was just undergoing renovations.
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It s unclear whether Aunt Maria Cruz was still alive when Fiello began to try to cover up his actions.
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Cruz s wallet and purse were discovered by Fiello s housemate inside a black gym bag placed under a rafter in the unfinished ceiling of the garage in August 2003, just one month after Fiello was kicked out.
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He later admitted in June 2003, nearly three months after Cruz was killed, that he had buried Cruz s body underneath the garage before pouring cement right before a sale of the house was closed.
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Boy.
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Boy, and see what I said?
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The numbing agent didn t work.
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Meanwhile, that doctor just kept his fucking mouth shut, huh?
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The doctor he called?
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Yeah.
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That doctor never told nobody.
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Yeah.
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That s kind of creepy.
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That s really creepy.
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The doctor never goes, hey man, whatever happened to that lady?
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Yeah.
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He didn t even ask.
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So like nobody even knew and all of a sudden she was if that moron didn t leave that gym bag behind He might have gotten away with it.
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He probably would have I d be going to him today I mean in 2003 how good were they at catching people?
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Yeah, no, that s good, right?
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But isn t that funny when I just said that numbing agent didn t work and that s he obviously tried to
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Oh, God.
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Okay.
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In the aftermath of the call between mutual friend, oh, the mutual friend of Fayolo, he did rat him out.
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They both realized Fayolo lied when he stated he got the woman to medical help and that she was fine.
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Bach searched the house, now Faiello wasn t there, and while looking in the garage recalled Faiello using concrete just before moving out.
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Batch remembered how uncharacteristically secretive he was about the project and his overreaction when Bach walked in on him pouring concrete.
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According to New York State Detective Lieutenant T.J.
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Mulrooney, Bach s information gave us the break in the investigation we were hoping for.
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Uh-huh.
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That was his ex-boyfriend.
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Oh.
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Brian Ford received a tip from Faiello s ex-boyfriend, Greg Bach.
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Okay.
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So that s who Bach is.
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Maria Cruz s body was recovered from the property, now occupied by new homeowners.
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Boy, can they get their money back?
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I want to fucking live in that house.
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This lady was underneath the garage.
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You re parking your Honda over a dead lady.
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Yeah.
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For months.
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Well, think of how many people don t know that that s happened in their whole life.
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Yeah.
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A lot.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Dun, dun, dun.
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Anyway, so that was my guy.
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Yeah.
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He was a compulsive life.
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Jibrid Murder Machine.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, those guys were something, huh?
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Yeah.
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Joey Diaz turned me on to that.
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That book scared the shit out of me, about Roy DeMeo.
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Meanwhile, my friends that grew up around there, when they were little kids, they were telling me they used to throw snowballs at the old man s bar, that bar.
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They re like, ah-ha-ha, they throw snowballs.
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Ah, the old men drink in there.
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Meanwhile, they were just slaughtering people in that place.
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Yeah, they re throwing, little 12-year-old kids are like, ah, the old bastards.
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Throwing mafia snowballs is the mafia still a thing.
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I Mean, I don t think it s I mean, it s still a thing, but I don t think it s Nothing.
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I mean when you think about how important the mafia was
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in the 50s and 60s and 70s, even the 80s, but it s insane how much power they had.
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Vegas.
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I mean, they probably killed Kennedy.
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I mean, well, it had something to do with it, but even if they didn t, they had so much power over so many industries.
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It was insane.
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Well, you ve got to remember, Kennedy fucked them over.
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Yeah.
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Because they got him in.
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Yeah, they helped get him in.
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They helped him win.
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But they say that.
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So they got him Chicago, you know what I mean?
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That s a lot.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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It was a lot.
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But I mean, yeah.
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And then he turned on them.
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Well, he let Robert turn on him, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Robert turned on him.
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Not good.
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But here s the weird thing.
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Didn t Robert turn on them in the 50s?
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I feel like that was before Kennedy was president.
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Really?
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But maybe he promised to lay off and then he didn t.
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Really?
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But I guess that s why I would love to, that s the one thing I d like to see before I die, I m sure everybody would.
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I want those Kennedy papers, I want those papers.
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Did you hear what Trump had said about them?
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What, that you don t want to see them or something?
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Yeah, he said if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn t release it either.
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But what does that mean?
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He said he s going to release him.
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That means they threatened him.
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Probably means they threatened him.
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What else could it mean?
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Because you wouldn t want to release it either.
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It s like, what?
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What s going to happen?
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It s 60 years later.
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What could it be?
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It could destroy the CIA.
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Yeah, that s what I mean.
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That s why he won t release it.
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Yeah, that s why you should release it.
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That if you were the president and they told you that, what would you do?
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You go, well, you know what?
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The public deserves to know.
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Let s destroy the CIA.
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Or do you say, you know what?
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We re going to hide this, and you re going to give the CIA even more power.
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But I m saying, here s the thing.
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People that killed the president.
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Whatever this was, 2019, right?
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Yeah.
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What you would do is you would say, this CIA was nothing like today s CIA.
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That was back in 1963.
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You know what I mean?
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That s all you would say.
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You would say, that was the terrible time in our history.
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And thank God, there s been several changes.
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You know what I mean?
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I just don t know if people would accept that.
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Except that the CIA has changed?
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Yeah, I don t think they would.
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I think it would open up scrutiny that would be almost impossible for them to do their job the way they do it right now.
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Oh, they just changed the name of the organization.
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They changed... Immigration... INS became ICE, became ASI, became... You know what I mean?
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Like... Changed the name of the CIA?
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How dare you?
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Yeah.
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What are you, a communist?
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Changed it to, uh... The, uh... It s the Central Intelligence Agency.
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I know.
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I never liked that name anyway.
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It s stupid.
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You know what I mean?
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There s got to be a better name.
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What do you propose?
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The United States over... Well, let s think of something.
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It has to be something like, you know, like the... Overlords?
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How about that?
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That s what they are.
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Information overlords.
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Let s just cut to the chase.
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The information overlords.
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We decide what gets out, we find out what s happening.
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How about the American Shadow Boys?
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Ooh, I like it.
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Shadow Boys.
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Sounds like a cool band.
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Yeah, that s like a cool bluegrass band.
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The Shadow Boys.
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Sixth Street.
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Like some dude with a banjo.
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They play at Sixth Street.
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Yeah, that sounds like a good band.
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The Shadow Boys?
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I like that.
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All right.
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I m good at band names.
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Are you?
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Give me another one.
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I tried to make my nephew back 20 years ago.
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He was trying to be a band.
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I said, call yourselves the You-Know-Whats.
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Because that was one of my favorite jokes.
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You ever hear that parrot joke?
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You ever hear that parrot joke about that?
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What s the parrot joke?
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The guy buys the parrot, and he goes, you don t want to buy this parrot.
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He s got a filthy mouth.
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And he goes, oh, I can handle it.
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Parrot comes home.
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The parrot goes, hey, mister, mister.
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He goes, what?
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He goes, go fuck yourself.
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The guy goes, don t talk to me like that.
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Smacks the cage.
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Parrot beats up the parrot.
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He goes, don t ever.
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He goes, I m not the guy to play with like that.
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Next day, he comes home.
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Parrot goes, hey, mister, mister.
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He goes, what?
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He goes, go fuck yourself.
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He goes, you piece of, starts smashing, almost drowns the parrot.
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He goes, next time you tell me to go fuck myself, I m going to kill you.
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I promise you, I m going to kill you.
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Next day, he shows up from after work.
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Parrot goes, hey, Mr. Davis.
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He goes, what?
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Parrot goes, you know what?
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I forgot that joke.
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That s a good one.
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That s a good one.
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That s what they used to do in the old days.
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Catskill guys, they just go up there and tell jokes.
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There s still guys that do that shit.
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Yeah, I hate to say it.
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And I always get jealous, because I m always like, God damn it, they work every time.
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They re great jokes.
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All those old jokes, people are like, oh, that s an old joke.
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It s like, yeah, and they re great jokes.
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But we would never do it.
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We would never lower ourselves.
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The weird thing about great jokes is who wrote them?
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Where do they come from?
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I tried to get, I used to live in the same building with Jackie Martling, the joke man.
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Jackie the joke man.
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So one time I go, Jackie, this was like 15 years ago, I go, we re gonna do a documentary, we re gonna find out all the jokes, where they come from, who wrote them.
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I said, because you must know a lot of this, because he knows every joke ever written, you know.
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So I go, you must know some of this.
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He goes, no I don t.
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I go, what?
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He goes, I don t know any of those.
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I go, you.
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you know all these jokes your whole life is built on it you didn t bother to try to find it was i have no idea where they came from so even he doesn t know i don t think anybody knows isn t that crazy isn t that weird that nobody some of these jokes are amazing and nobody knows nobody knows where any of them came from
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It s weird.
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It s weird.
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And some of them are great.
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Where do they come from?
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And that s also, we have that with memes now.
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And some memes, you know who did it, because they put like a watermark on it, and they post it on their site.
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Some memes, you get it in a text message chain.
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Someone just sends you something, you re like, ah!
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Right.
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And then you send it to your friends, and they re like, ah!
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And nobody knows where it came from.
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And some of them are some of the funniest fucking things I ve ever seen online.
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Really funny.
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Really funny.
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Yeah.
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Where does it all come from?
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Well, you re getting, now especially, especially with memes, you re getting the input of millions of people.
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And there s so many people out there that could have been comics and just chose not to be.
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Either they didn t try it, and they have a mind for it, but they re funny.
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And so they get their funny out on sneak tip.
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They get their funny out when no one s looking.
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They take a picture of Taylor Swift, and they do something to it, and they write something underneath it, and they post it up there, and everyone s like, ah!
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And that s how they re doing comedy.
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They re getting that out in this way.
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And when you re sourcing from millions and millions and millions of people like we re doing currently, probably more, probably billions of English speaking people that are contributing to the meme pool of the world.
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Because you have all these other countries with millions of people.
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It s probably a billion plus people that are doing that.
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they re all online and out of those you re gonna get a few thousand hilarious people that have never done stand-up and could be a Dave Attell.
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They just never did it.
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Right.
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That s right.
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Yeah, I mean those minds exist.
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Oh, I used to have a few friends that were really funny.
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We had this friend Al.
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Our friend Al would work in an ambulance.
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He would come home every night and remember
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He would have an experience every night because he s in an ambulance.
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He would come back and tell us stories and people would be the next day and we d be crying.
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Because every night, the way he told, he was a funny guy.
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And he would just talk about all the abuse he took as this driver.
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So I pull up, and he was that kind of guy.
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Like you said, he could have been a great comic.
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Yeah, there s a lot of guys like that.
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The funniest guy I ever knew who wasn t a comic was a guy I worked for.
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He was a private investigator.
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His name was Dave Dolan.
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He used to call himself Dynamite Dickless Dave Dolan.
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They leave messages on my voicemail.
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I still have a phone number that I haven t gotten rid of.
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I have this phone because it has a voicemail on it from him before he died.
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And he was a private investigator.
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He lost his license drunk driving.
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And so he needed someone to be his driver.
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So he put an ad in the newspaper for Private Investigator s Apprentice.
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I was like, oh, I ll try that.
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I needed some other kind of a job to just sustain myself.
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I was trying to make a living doing stand up.
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And so I drove this guy around for six months until he got his license back.
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And we did a lot of private investigative work.
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And he would just make you laugh?
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Oh my God, he was hilarious.
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He was so funny.
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He was so funny about everything.
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He was always funny.
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He was just on.
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He was everybody he talked to, they just start smiling the moment they start talking to this guy.
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He was a charming dude.
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He was smart as shit.
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He was just very, very funny.
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And he was, I would be crying.
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And I remember telling my girlfriend at the time,
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I came back, we went out to dinner that night and we were eating and I was like, I m not anywhere near as funny as this guy.
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And he doesn t even want to be a comedian.
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No.
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Because I was an open miker at the time.
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I was just starting.
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They re just funny.
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He was just funny.
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I mean, just the fucking guy had a funny take on everything.
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Yeah.
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Same with- And he was a drunk, but he s quit drinking like that.
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Never went back to it, never fell off the wagon, was getting hammered every night and then went to nothing and was still had the sensibility of a hilarious guy at the bar.
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He still act like a drunk.
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Yeah.
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He was stone cold sober.
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He had no filter.
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Dick Dolan.
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Yeah.
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Dynamite Dave Dolan.
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Al Cantor, same thing.
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Yeah.
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The funniest- Those guys are out there.
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Just would come out and just roll.
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20 new minutes a day.
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It always makes me think about that Billy Joel song, you know?
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I m sure that I could be a movie star if I could get out of this place.
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Sing us a song, I m a piano man.
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I mean, there s a lot of people out there that just never tried it, never went for it, never tried to do something.
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And there s a million things that get in the way, you know?
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Have you ever heard of Forrester s Syndrome?
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No, I was looking up the origin of knock-knock jokes and this popped up during this article that said in Europe incessant wordplay Became treated as a psychological condition.
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Oh my god.
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Jamie s got to go to a hospital manic punning people that were compulsively punning That s Tony Hinchcliffe right Tony Hinchcliffe would 100% get locked up compulsive punning and inappropriate jokes was known as Forrester syndrome I guess that s back when people you needed to go to work and
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There was only work joking joking hold on.
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I m sorry, but joking just got in the way of things Well, especially in 1929 Austria Austrian psychoanalyst a a Brill was exploring a malady termed Witzel schlucht, how do you say that?
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Yeah, it s a little shocked.
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We shall show an addiction to wisecracks according to psychology today German neurologist Autrid Forster identified manic punning in what eventually became known as Forster syndrome Wow
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And then I guess people got tired of it, and they lumped knock-knock jokes in there.
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It was like in the radio in the 30s, people were, like, knock-knock jokes were everywhere, in clubs.
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By the way, would this not be a great movie?
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Yeah, it would be a great movie.
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Like, okay, so we all agree, basically, that the first real stand-up, in terms of, like, the way we do it, was Lenny, right?
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Lenny Bruce.
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Yes.
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He was the first.
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So he was the first guy to just talk about stuff.
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Game change.
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Yeah.
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Just talk about stuff and make it funny instead of just have like a series of jokes that anybody could tell.
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Well, not anybody, but right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But you know, like Catskill guys.
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So many of them were just joke tellers.
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Yeah.
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No, he was a game changer.
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Yeah.
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Who have you seen live?
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Who did you get a chance to see live?
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Did you see prior live?
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No.
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Never.
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I had Carlin on Tough Crowd.
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Oh, really?
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That was fun.
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Oh, wow.
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That must have been awesome.
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That was really awesome.
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My whole, all my family.
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My family never really, you know, come to show.
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I m from New York, so my cousins, everybody, they ve been to my shows over the years, but, you know, this is already a hundred years, they re not gonna come.
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I forget how I knew, but I told them.
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The whole stands, there was 40 or 50 of my family.
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My cousins, my uncles, my aunts.
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I was calling for Irish people of a certain...
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That routine he did was like, it s the first time I saw comedy have that power or two.
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They would just listen to it and just laugh over the Catholic school experience that traumatized them.
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And this guy did 13 minutes explaining it.
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That s all the bit was, 13 minutes.
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And it changed their whole lives.
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And so they all showed up.
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And it was just a really power.
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And he was,
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said hi to you know like he understood like he went out there and was like hey how you doing to them.
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It was really interesting.
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Look at little skinny Jim.
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Yep.
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Little young baby face Colin Quinn.
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Jim demanded to be on that show by the way.
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Oh yeah.
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He loves Colin.
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Oh yeah.
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Look at Nick DiPaolo.
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Oh yeah.
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Young and handsome.
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Oh yeah.
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Greg Giraldo.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That was a great show.
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Do you think you d ever redo that show?
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Would you ever want to?
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No, we took about this last time I feel like it was what it was at the time and it s just but you were so good as a host Thanks.
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Thanks.
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Have you thought about doing something like that?
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Will you host something with Kyle?
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Well when I did when I did I did this cop show on YouTube that was all basically like a law and order show and I started having comedians on and I was planning on making it like a
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like I would have Jim on, but it would, the plot would involve insulting him and like attacking him.
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And then Bobby Kelly came on and he s dressed as sister, like a villain.
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And he s like complaining about me putting him in this, you know, women s outfit and Keith Robinson.
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So it became sort of like, that s what I would do.
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But I mean, it, uh, I ran out of money, but I mean, but that s, I did a bunch of those cop show type things.
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I think tough crowd in a lot of ways was the beginning of podcasting.
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Yeah, I think a combination of the opiate Anthony show and tough crowd Yeah, because those are the first places where comics got together and just talk shit and be themselves and talk shit to each other Riffin and and laughing at each other and having a good time together.
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Yeah, and you saw the camaraderie which That s you didn t really see that with comedians.
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You saw them on stage by themselves telling their routine You never saw him sitting down together like that.
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No, I
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Yeah, it was definitely an interesting thing, but I thought I would do it in that form, the cop shit thing, because that was more, you could still do it and you could make fun of the culture at the same time.
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It was another way of doing it.
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But anyway, I did that for a while.
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But that show was groundbreaking.
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Because you guys would cover cultural issues, current news events, things that were happening.
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And you d get all these comics, have a take on things.
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And then trash somebody s personal life, too, in the middle of it.
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And there s clips on Instagram.
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There s one channel that has all tough crowd clips.
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And you go and watch it, and you go, oh my god, these guys would be in so much trouble today.
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Oh, we d be gone.
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Even back then, we got in trouble.
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I know, but it s just crazy.
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I mean, we re talking, like, Tough Crowd ended 2000, what?
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2004.
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2004.
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20 years.
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Wow.
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20 years ago.
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Isn t that crazy?
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That s 20 years ago.
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Oh, God.
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Boy.
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It makes no sense.
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Time is just a motherfucker, isn t it?
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It s ridiculous.
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It s so quick.
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It s terrible.
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It s so long, and yet so quick.
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Yeah.
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So much experience, and yet it just all happened just a little while ago.
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Jesus.
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But so long ago, 20 years is a long, long time.
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It s insane to me.
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It feels like it was yesterday, it feels like it never happened.
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It feels like both.
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It feels like it was just recent and like it never occurred.
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It s a movie I watched.
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Right, right.
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Like if you watch it, you won t even remember what you said.
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And you think about Geraldo and Patrice, these guys had long gone.
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Want to hear a crazy Geraldo story?
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This is really weird.
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I went to a movie recently, and I m leaving the movie theater, and I went into the bathroom, and as I m leaving the bathroom, this guy walks in, and he recognizes me.
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And he said, hey, what s up?
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And I go, what s up?
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And I thought it was Greg Giraldo for like one second.
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Because he was like, he was taller, but he looked exactly like a young Giraldo.
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And my brain
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Didn t expect to see him and so I opened the door and this guy s there and he says what s up to me?
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And I think he recognized me cuz it s like, you know, Greg s dead.
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It s crazy.
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This isn t Greg.
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This is crazy And I m like, hey, what s up, man?
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How you doing?
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Nice to meet you And but I so I recover and I walk out and then I m like, oh my god, I tell my wife I said I just thought I saw a dead friend of mine.
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Yeah, I for one second.
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I thought it was him So I know it sounds crazy
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But I was so happy to see him for that one second before I realized.
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It s like a dream, yeah.
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It was horrible, but it was great.
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It was great.
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For that one second, it was great.
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Yeah.
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Because I was like, Greg!
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Yeah.
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But it wasn t him.
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And they re gone forever.
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He was on the same set as me when I was doing news radio.
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So we were doing news radio at one of the buildings, and his building was right next door when he was doing his sitcom.
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That s right.
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So we would always hang out together in the parking lot and talk shit.
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Watch Joey Lawrence get into his car.
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I mean, that s great.
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What do you see?
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Of course?
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Yeah, he had a sitcom there, too Yeah, they had a big scandal recently some charm elicits thing, right?
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What who did Lawrence brothers?
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Really?
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I thought I saw something but for real I Didn t hear about that What is it Sorry there s a lawsuit about one of those
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Google that.
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I haven t heard that story at all, but he was, he would play his own music in his car.
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Oh, Joey.
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Whoa.
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Yeah.
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Play his own music, rockin  out.
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Must have been fun.
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Be a beautiful, handsome 19-year-old with a sitcom.
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He s probably like 19, 20 years old.
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Yeah.
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Probably that older than that.
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Just playing his own music in his car.
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I was like, look at this guy.
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I love it when you run into another comedian when you re involved with non-comedy things.
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Yes.
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Matthew Lawrence.
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That s what it was.
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My agency fired me after I refused to take my clothes off for an award-winning director.
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Right.
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Whoa.
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Whoa.
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So they were involved in the victim side of it.
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Yes, he was supposed to be like a superhero movie or one of these things.
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Oh Jesus Christ It s creepy when you find out how much of that stuff is real Yeah, it is you know the more they unveil the more stories come on believable kids Nickelodeon like Nickelodeon I was watching that doesn t it make sense don t like if you were a fucking creep You d want to work with kids
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There s been many times in my life where I ve been propositioned to get a huge role, Lawrence says in the podcast.
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I lost my agency because I went to the hotel room where the actor alleges a prominent director showed up in his robe, asked me to take my clothes off, said he needed to take Polaroids of me, and said if I did X, Y, and Z, I would be the next Marvel character.
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Holy fuck.
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Yo.
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If he s telling the truth.
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Yo.
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Yeah.
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You know who else was on the set?
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Lenny Clark.
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Oh, he was yeah Lenny Clark was on that show with What the fuck was his name he had he played a judge he used to be on the Harry Harry Anderson god damn it.
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He had a show It was a show as his name John Larroquette.
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Yes the John Larroquette show So pull up the cast the John Larroquette show.
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Oh
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Did you ever hear that story about Lenny Clark?
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When he first got a sitcom in the 80s?
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I saw him out there in 91, whenever it was.
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There it is.
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Look at Lenny.
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So I knew Lenny because the second time I ever got paid to do stand-up, I opened for Lenny.
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And Lenny s like, kid, you re hilarious.
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He gave me all this great advice.
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I was like, holy shit, Lenny Clark from HBO?
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He said I m funny?
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He laughed at me?
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Like, this is amazing.
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And so years later, it was like five, six years later, Lenny and I are working on sitcoms on the same lot, just right next to each other.
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but the story is when he got his own sitcom Lenny back in like 91 and he went to the bank and he says I went to the bank I think you told me the story maybe I heard it on a show but he goes and they go well Mr. Clark you can t buy this house we need this collateral he goes here s my collateral he showed him a TV guide he was on the cover
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And I cover a TV guy back when that was a good thing.
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He got robbed.
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He did?
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Yeah, his agent.
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He was a part of, I think it was the Star Agency.
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I don t believe that.
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An agent robbing?
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No.
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I know, crazy.
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But I think this one person got like Jerry Seinfeld, got him, got a bunch of people.
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Wait, I knew those guys, of course.
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You know that story?
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Spotlight.
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Yes, that s it.
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Yeah, not Star, Spotlight.
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Spotlight, yeah.
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They fucked everybody.
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Oh yeah, they were.
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They stole millions of dollars, right?
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Whatever happened with all that?
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They were in, I don t know, but I think they were very connected in certain areas from what I heard.
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Yeah.
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So nothing happened.
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Not good.
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Nothing happened.
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Damn.
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Yeah.
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Got robbed.
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Yeah.
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A lot of people lost money.
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It was like a Bernie Madoff type deal almost.
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That s right.
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For comedy, yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it s... We ll handle your money, Colin.
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Don t worry about it, Colin.
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We ll handle your money.
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I mean, and we were so stupid.
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And I remember Brett Butler telling me, look at these assholes.
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Talk about spotlight.
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These guys come in here to rob us.
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And I go, that s... I was thinking, like, what do you have to... They re our friends.
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We see them every night at the club.
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Why would you think they re here to rob?
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They re doing business, they take that percentage.
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That s what I was thinking.
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Meanwhile, six months later, I m like, oh shit.
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They came right in, they come to the, because that s what s so great when people are robbing you, is they re coming in friendly, they re hanging out with you as friends.
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They re going to the diner.
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They re bringing all that human being shit.
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And then they fucking rob you the whole time.
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They re sociopaths.
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Yes, yes.
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Sociopaths are amongst us.
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They re sociopaths.
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They do exist.
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They do, and many of them are successful in business.
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Well, we talked about them last night, like joke thief sociopaths.
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There s a bunch of them, too.
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Yes, that s right.
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They re sociopaths.
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That s what it is.
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That s how they can do that.
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Well, they disassociate themselves from what they re doing.
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The same thing with those pathological liar.
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Like that guy Dean, he didn t think he was gonna kill her.
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He s like helping her.
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Like they re not thinking, I mean, they know they have to cover it up.
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Same with joke thieves.
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They don t think they re joke thieves.
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They re like, no, no, I m just, I m inspired.
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Or they think everybody does it, or they think everybody s influenced.
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What was the story with the spotlight?
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Can you find that?
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What did they do?
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I don t think it even money.
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I don t even think they I don t think it became a thing I think it was just we knew about it.
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I bet it s not even an article So they were connected is that what the deal is that was that was the word and it seemed like when I look back I m like oh, yeah, that makes sense Shady like they were just you know so much shady.
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I know them all yeah, I see them all the time yeah, and they were just
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Yeah.
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Shady motherfuckers.
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Yeah.
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Hanging out with your vampires.
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And I remember the lead, I don t remember his name, but he looked just like, remember that movie, Angel Heart, when De Niro plays Louis Cipher, Lucifer?
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Mm-hmm.
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He looked like him.
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Yeah.
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You ever hear that Zach Bryan song, Damn Cold Vampires?
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No.
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It s a great fucking song.
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It s about that?
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It s a great song.
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It s about the industry.
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It s cold damn vampires is the name, but he says these damn cold vampires is the song.
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It s trying to build an empire off the things that they can take.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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It s all it is.
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They re building an empire off of other people s work.
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All they re doing is just pimping you up.
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I guess other people are, but comedians are really the easiest because we re not business people.
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We don t have a business mind right right so it s like they look around they go, and they probably think to themselves like Hey, if they want like like any thief thinks if it was that important to them.
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They wouldn t leave it out there
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So just take it they didn t ask about the check you take it right because we get sidetracked and we all have like some kind of Well, if you re in a corrupt business and everybody else is corrupt too and in show business in the early days It was all corrupt.
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It was all mob run and everybody was Everybody was in code.
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Everybody was robbing.
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Yeah.
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Oh my god.
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I mean Yeah
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It s crazy wild business.
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Yeah, but yeah, so We were on that so that the Greg Giraldo thing was like Greg and I would just hang out in the parking lot all the time I Got I knew him in New York, but I really got to know him on the set great guy This is how some guys when they die you just go No Just no no Not that one.
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Yeah
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No, I know.
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I know.
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And he was... Yeah, I mean, I d see him every night for years, and he was a great guy.
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Yeah.
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Did you know Brody?
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Yeah.
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Brody Stevens?
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I knew Brody when he worked at the cellar.
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He used to be the balker at the cellar when we had to drag people in the cellar.
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He was the balker.
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He d be great at that.
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He was great at it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he was a good dude, too.
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He was another one.
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When he went, I was like, no.
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Just no.
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I know.
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What did he die of?
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Suicide.
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Oh, no.
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Exactly.
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Oh, my God.
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That s one where you just go, maybe if you saw him the night before and gave him a hug and told him how fun he was and how much you love him, maybe it would have helped a little.
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You know, you always think things after the fact.
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Yeah.
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You know, he had gone through some episodes where he would go off his medication and he d get a little crazy, then he d bite back on.
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And then every now and then he d just catch that groove.
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and he d be on stage, and he would be on fire.
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I remember one time I was at the Improv, and it was a late, late show.
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It was like a 10 p.m.
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show, and I think my spot was like 11.30, so I do my spot, and the show s over.
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There s fucking 80 people in the crowd, it s one of them deals.
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And then Brody is gonna close the show, and they introduce Brody.
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Brody takes his shirt off, and he s swinging it around overhead with music, like they re playing music.
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He s swinging around and walking through the crowd, he s like,
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ENERGY!
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POSITIVE ENERGY!
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He s swinging his shirt around and he goes on stage and he starts playing drums on the stool and everybody s going crazy and then he goes into his material 818 till I die and everybody s dying I mean he just took over the room and I remember saying like he does so many of these late night sets that he just comes on with his big energy and he just recharges the whole room
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Everybody loved Brody.
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That s the kind of, yeah, that s like, well, that s that same Chris Foley thing where they would just come in and change the energy, right?
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Change the energy of the room.
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The whole energy was just like, whoa.
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And it s like, you can t pull it off unless you re them.
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Like, if you say, I m going to be that guy, and you try it, after like 30 seconds, you just fade.
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Yes.
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They just, it brought more out in that.
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They re just organically that way, you know?
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Like you said about Dickless Dave.
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Yeah.
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Same thing.
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Same thing.
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He comes in, people start smiling.
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Yeah.
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Totally could have been a comic.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it s interesting how few people go down the path, you know?
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It s just such a weird... If you re going to really... If you want to be successful in life, it s not a good... It s not a good road.
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No.
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It s so... There s so many...
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weird obstacles to it, that it s crazy.
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And you really have to get hardened.
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It s like every other business, I m sure you re successful, a little bit of your innocence about humor has to die, too.
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It s a business for you, too.
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And as much as we love it, and I love watching comedians and being a comedian, and I love watching comedians doing their bits and working it out, it s still, you have to really be tough.
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You have to be tough to be a comedian.
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Something in you has to be able to tolerate a lot of shit.
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Yes, that s for sure.
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Yeah, you gotta be able to tolerate bombing Tolerate bad nights bombing everything if you can tolerate bombing That s people s biggest fear.
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Yeah, you tolerate a lot in life.
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That s your people s biggest fear and we ve literally had to stare in the face of a bomb
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Boy, times that anybody can imagine.
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I mean, it s literally been over a hundred times in my life where I ve had people hating my guts.
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Over a hundred times.
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A whole group of people.
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Everyone s worst fear.
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Yeah.
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What year did you start?
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84.
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Wow.
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So you were in the boom boom.
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I came in 88, which is like a little after the boom.
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Yes.
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The boom was kind of like dying off when I started.
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That s right.
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That s right.
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But that boom in 84 must have been bananas.
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Well, for me, I was new, so we didn t even think of it.
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We just thought, oh, this is how life is, you know?
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Right.
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Two years in, you re making money, not a lot of money.
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It wasn t like Boston.
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I always say, we were talking about it last time, how Mike Clark paid real money and all the guys were getting, robbing us.
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But yeah, but it was such an exciting, I mean, just imagine, I tell people, yeah, I m a comedian, they go, what?
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You re a comedian?
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What?
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Like it would just blow people s minds that you were in comedy.
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And then, you know, a few years later, people are like, oh, my cousin s a comedian.
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Yeah.
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But at the time, it was blowing people s minds.
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Did they have open mics when you started?
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Oh, yeah.
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That s the only way we get on.
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Yeah.
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How many?
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Where d you go?
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Where s the first place?
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The Paper Moon.
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There s a place called the Paper Moon.
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Eddie Brill was running this place.
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Eddie Brill?
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Yeah.
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So Paper Moon, we started working out there.
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I started working out there, you know.
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And weaseled my way into it and started working out.
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And I would bring crowds.
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Where was the paper mill?
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I was a good bringer.
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Yeah?
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I d bring all my friends, because I grew up in New York.
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Right.
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So my friends would show up, you know?
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Where was the paper mill?
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On West, it s where the Boston Comedy Club became.
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Oh, wow.
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The same club?
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Downstairs.
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Oh, downstairs.
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Downstairs.
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Oh.
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It was really cool.
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Boston Comedy Club was a great spot.
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We were so innocent.
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Yeah.
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We just thought, you know, we had a sound guy, and we re like, hey, we re going to do film.
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We tried to do films, and we re just so, everybody s so innocent.
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We just thought, you know?
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Yeah, I d never want to do it again, but I m glad I did it.
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Yeah, I imagine starting something like that from scratch imagine at your age trying a new thing Yeah, people do do that.
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It s crazy.
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Like how do you have the energy?
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I guess it s their dream Yeah, you can t you can t you what you said?
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It s exactly right the energy to sustain.
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Yeah, all those drives to bomb for bad money
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And then, like you said, you had a day job.
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I had a day job too.
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and didn t give up on that job, never made it as a comic.
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I don t know one who kept the full-time job and then got to a certain point in time where they could retire from the job and then maintain the same level of comedy as their peers.
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No one did.
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But a lot of people didn t make it.
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And they were funny.
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Yeah.
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But they just... It s so many layers.
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I guess every job is like this, but we just know it from comedy.
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Well, it s just interesting talking to someone like you that I ve known for so many years.
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I mean, I think I first met you 30 years ago.
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Yeah.
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So it s like we ve known each other for so long.
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You need to think about how wild this ride we re on is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It s crazy.
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It s crazy.
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It really is and what s crazy what you re doing that I think is really interesting It s like you re still doing stand-up, but you ve also decided to do these one-man shows right and they re fucking amazing Thanks, and are you?
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Do you plan these like how do you how did when you decide to make one?
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Like the most recent one.
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Do you have a theme in mind when you sit down?
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Well, what happened with this thing I just did was I had a theme in mind and it just wasn t going the way I wanted.
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So then I said, I said these psychiatrists and I go, oh, that s my theme.
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I want to do it in front of psychiatrists.
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So then the theme, the show was built around psychology and how we ve cracked up as a society based on social media and everything else.
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Two psychiatrists.
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So I m performing to them, but they set the theme.
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They made the theme exist by me thinking about performing for them.
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So when you first set out to write this set, you decided you were going to do it in front of psychiatrists?
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No, I tried to do something else and it wasn t working.
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And then I was going to, the theme was going to be, I don t know what the theme was going to be, like small talk at one point.
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than social media.
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And then I happened to accidentally do a show with four psychiatrists who were in the audience together.
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So I go, ah, I kept referencing back to them.
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Ah, yeah.
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And then suddenly I was like, that s what I want to do, a show for the psychiatrists.
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So how far into the creation of the set were you?
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I mean, probably 50%.
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Wow.
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But it all connects to psychiatry because it s all psychological.
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That s amazing.
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That s amazing.
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And the ones you ve done before.
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Yeah.
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Those are a theme, yeah.
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And do you, like, how do you do it?
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Do you sit down and just write it all out on a computer?
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Do you?
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No, I go out, like, the Constitution Show is a perfect example.
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I went every night to the Creek and Cave in Long Island City, and Rebecca directed it.
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So every night I go, because I was like, I want to do a show about the Constitution, because I was, everybody loves the Constitution on every side of every issue.
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Everybody s like, Constitution s a great document.
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So I just wanted to do a whole show on the Constitution.
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So I was like, yeah, why is it great?
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And so I just would work it out at Creek Cave all the time.
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Just in front of four people, seven people.
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Rebecca will tell you, ten people.
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There was never, I never did it in front of more than twelve people probably.
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Wow.
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Eventually began the show, you know, so you just didn t announce that you were doing it You just kind of show up and do it.
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I announced it people just didn t show up for it.
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Really?
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No way.
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I ve never been a giant draw.
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I m really a comics comic if the whole world was comedians I d be the biggest I d be selling that s what I m saying, dude.
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You re one of the best comics alive.
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Thanks.
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You really are but I m only for comedians I m trying to talk you into staying tonight.
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I didn t really know that I needed to coach you last night I just didn t want to bother you
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No, I was just being like... I would have coaxed you.
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Now I know.
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I m gonna coax you from now on.
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I was being the guy that s like... Now you re in trouble.
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I don t care if you re tired, if you just ate.
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You re going on stage now.
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Now I know the game.
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I didn t know the game.
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I thought you just wanted to hang out.
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I didn t want to bump people.
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When I come to clubs, a lot of times I just want to hang out.
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I just didn t want to bump people.
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There was no bumping.
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I know, but I thought Ron Maibu was coming.
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I thought he was coming in.
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I didn t want to be like the guy that jumps in.
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Come tonight.
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Come tonight.
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Maybe, if I could change my flight.
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Change that fucking flight.
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Let s see if I can change it.
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We ll change it.
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We ll get a guy.
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It may be tough.
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We ll change it.
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What?
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Where are you going again?
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Seattle.
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Everybody s going to Seattle.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that s true.
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They get free needles.
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It s a good spot.
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And if you get the right time, they might take over the whole CD block.
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You get to be a part of that.
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They did it again in Portland.
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Did they do it recently?
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Yeah.
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Another one?
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Portland just did another one.
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They took over something.
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It s all over the news today.
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Aw.
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Didn t get the love that One Place did.
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What did they call it again, Jamie?
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The Zone?
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No, the Chop Chop?
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No.
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Yeah, something like that.
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Something Zone.
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Schaff?
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Chaff?
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Chad.
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Chad.
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No.
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Chaz.
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Chaz.
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Yeah.
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C-H-A-Z.
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Yeah, like Chaz Bono.
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Yeah.
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That s what it was.
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It was like the Chaz.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That s it.
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Capitol Hill occupied protest.
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The fucking mayor got on TV and said maybe it s a summer of love like okay, baby What and then they boom was he the one they blew the girl?
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It s a lady and then the guy from Portland was trying to join in they blow.
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Yeah, they lit his house on fire They fucking
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They said, you have to resign.
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Everybody has to resign.
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This is a comedy.
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Yeah.
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Because he tried to go along with them.
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And then he s like, you know what?
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This is bullshit.
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We need cops.
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Right.
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Like, yeah.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Oh, now you know?
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Yeah.
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You didn t know before you needed cops?
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And you re the fucking mayor?
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Holy shit.
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Holy shit.
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Not good, kids.
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Well, we ll see.
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If I can change my flight, I ll come back.
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Change your fucking flight.
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God damn it, Colin Quinn.
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What s up, Boston?
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I got to practice.
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Oh, there it is.
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It is.
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2024 cycle.
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Yeah.
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This is amazing.
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Yeah.
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It is amazing.
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I love the set too.
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It s fucking perfect.
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Yeah.
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That s just, that s the, you know, those gigs they have the bands.
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Yes.
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Oh man.
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You know.
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What is this on?
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Is this on Netflix?
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YouTube.
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YouTube.
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Beautiful.
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And it s out right now.
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Yeah.
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It says, what is it called?
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Colin Quinn.
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Our Time is Up.
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Our Time is Up.
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You know how therapists always go, our time is up.
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Bam.
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Beautiful.
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That s hilarious.
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Do you think that was a good name or should I have called it?
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No, it s perfect.
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I was going to call it 50 Minute Hour.
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They say that about therapy too.
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That s not bad.
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This guy s a therapist.
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You believe it?
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Yeah.
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Is that guy a therapist?
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These guys are all therapists.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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I don t know why they have to blur out my sneakers.
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What is that?
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Why do they blur out your sneakers?
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Is it a brand?
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For real?
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I don t know.
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Who blurred it out?
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You saw that too, right?
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Yeah.
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Who blurred it out?
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That s ridiculous.
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What?
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It looks like something s blurred out.
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It s not his sneakers.
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It s something at that part of the stage.
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Oh, maybe it s the lighting or something.
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That s weird.
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Makes it more weird to blur it out.
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That s weird.
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Ah, maybe it ll be good.
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Colin Quinn, you re the fucking man.
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Oh, it s actually not.
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Yeah, it is the light.
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It s the way the light is shining on the speaker.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, it s not blurred.
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Oh, it looks like it s blurred.
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It s just the box.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It s just the monitor.
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Thanks.
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Well, I ll probably see you tonight.
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Hopefully.
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Please come.
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If you guys can do it, I ll do it.
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We ll make it happen.
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We ll make it happen.
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Maybe.
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Tell everybody where they can find everything.
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YouTube.
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You can find me on YouTube.
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That s it.
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ColinQuinn.com on YouTube.
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What is your Instagram?
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I am Colin Quinn.
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Okay.
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Beautiful.
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Thank you, brother.
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Appreciate you.
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Thank you.
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Great fun.
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Always.
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Bye.