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No way.
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Yo, what s up, dude?
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What is up, bro?
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I didn t think you d call me.
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This is the first time I ever texted.
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Well, let s see here.
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I m gonna, I m not gonna ask you your name because I m just gonna forget it.
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I appreciate it.
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Which is not, which is, you know, this should be anonymous anyway.
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But anyway, uh, I m going to call you Jason.
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Jason, it says here that you used to have a chronic addiction to camera women.
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Does that, does that mean, okay, that means like cam girls, like girls who, you know, uh, more, more specifically to the audience that probably isn t familiar with the term.
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It s, uh,
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Not like well pretty much only fans, but more or less live and you could pretty much pay them to do Whatever they want or whatever you want, and then you think this you think this twitch you I m sorry you think this twitch audience is not familiar with the term cam girl.
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I m basically That s true, that s true.
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Yeah, you re a cam gecko
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Okay.
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So, uh, how long have you been addicted to the cam girls for shit that started back in 2020 as soon as I started, uh, cause I graduated back in 2020.
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So it was like, it was like right as I started getting my own money, I was all like, Ooh, let me see, let me see where this can go.
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And that, uh, that turned into a pretty big thing pretty quick.
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Um, same thing with the pandemic and everything that was, that was pretty bad.
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How much money were you spending?
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Oh, shit.
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I probably couldn t even put a number on it.
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There was there was one girl whose attention I was trying to get.
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And before I managed to get her off of the side, I think I spent like upwards of nine hundred dollars on her.
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So, I mean, that s that s again on on one girl specifically.
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Are you, is this still something that you re struggling with or have you kind of got it under control?
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It s, it s, it s, it s kind of gotten under control.
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There s, you know, there s still rebounds here and there, but you know, not, not nearly as severe.
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And I feel very, you know, bitter about myself when I do it.
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And it s just like you, um, but you know, I mean, I mean the same thing.
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It s, you know, it s something that I m actively working on and shit.
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So I m talking to another girl in real life rather than, you know, online and shit.
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So, you know, that s, that s definitely helping a lot with my mental state.
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So let s talk about this.
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So when you were doing that a lot, what do you, like, what were you looking for?
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What were you chasing like deep down?
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What was it?
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I think I was just chasing for like attention or just like having someone there that like in my eyes cared about me.
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And, you know, spending upwards of money, like they ll recognize you pretty quick, obviously.
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Um, but I think, I think that s definitely what I was looking for was just like seeking attention.
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Cause in high school, um, you know, a lot of people would end up ghosting me cause I was, you know, now realizing as an adult, I was hella clingy and shit, but back then I couldn t really realize it or pinpoint it.
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But, but I d say, I d say like a mixture between like loneliness and like getting the attention.
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And then, like I said, that was back in 2020.
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So like, you know, the pandemic and like getting loneliness during that time, I mean, everyone was fucking lonely.
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So that really, that really egged it on hard.
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So did this alleviate that loneliness for you?
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And if so, did it end up making it worse?
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Tell me how it affected whether or not it served your needs.
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So there were probably like three women that I managed to talk off of the site onto like Messenger, Instagram, just different outlets to talk to them outside of the site.
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And you d think on paper that helped, but nah, it s like, you know, then at that point it s like, not only do you have their personal information, but they have your personal information and then they extort you for like more money and then they guilt trip you and then it just turns into like this big thing.
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So I d say like,
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Shit, I d say I d say it definitely made it worse, but it s just like made it to where it s like now I got a I got a talk with that person and make that person like more attracted to me, you know So wait a minute.
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So keep I guess so so they wait on so they extorted you for money.
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Like what?
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Oh, yeah.
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No, there is there is one girl that the one that I spent $900 on once I got her I
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out of the site, then, you know, we exchanged pictures and all that.
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And then, um, you know, one, one thing led to another.
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And, and, and I would, I would end up sending her more money.
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She d be like, she d be like, Oh, there s this thing I want to buy.
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But like, I only have that.
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Real quick.
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Slow down for me.
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Okay, there s a difference between like what you re talking about and being extorted for money like did she say like I m gonna take these pictures that you took and Like send them to your friends and shit.
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Like what what is that what she did?
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No, but but but in my head I felt like they would do that Like it was never said directly to me but like in my head I was just all like ah shit that could that could come back and bite me on the ass pretty hard if I if I don t do that
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Cuz cuz I mean, it s not like it s not like I d use a throwaway Instagram like I d use I d use my direct Instagram so it s you know, I mean, I mean there s is like a I Don t know if you could call it professional like as professional as you could make a camera girl Instagram But but mine would be straight-up personal.
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So it s like, you know, if all of a sudden they decided oh man, fuck this guy I m gonna expose them to all his friends and family shit.
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It s like it s it s right there, you know, so so I mean I
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Technically no, you know what I was never directly blackmailed or extorted, but but it was always something in the back of my mind I m like, oh man, if I don t do that, then you know that could bite me back in the ass So was the fantasy that you kept chasing something of like okay this I m gonna actually get this person to like me.
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Yes Yes Yeah, no, there is there You know that the same person like there was points where like we talked about like meeting up and shit like that and Then it turned into like oh
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Well, you know, if we meet up in America and I instantly because I can t meet up in America, you got to come meet me here.
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And then it s like, that s when it turned into another thing.
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I m like, dude, if I, if I come out there, like, I don t know, you know, like, like it s a South American country.
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So I ain t trying to where, where, where did this cam girl want you to meet her?
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Columbia.
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Were you about to go to Columbia to meet her?
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Hell no.
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They wanted me to though, but it was just one of those things that like, that like, again, I would just be scared of.
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Cause it s just like, it s like, man, I ll get down there and obviously I m not going to bring no friends with me.
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Cause I m not trying to tell my friends, Hey, I met this girl online.
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She s cam girl, you know, let s go down there, come with me.
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So I feel safe, you know?
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And so, and so then it d just be one of those things like, man, if I, if I go out there,
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And same thing if they turn on dime I could get I could get fucking jumped and I m not going back.
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Isn t that what the movie sex drive is about?
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You see that?
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I have no idea.
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I ve never seen that one.
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But but you know, it was just it was I don t know.
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It was just one of them things that you know,
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I should have probably blocked it off a long time ago.
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I mean, now I m a lot better though.
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So talk to me about this then.
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What was it that transitioned you away from this stuff?
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So about a year and a half ago, I changed my job out of retail into working on cars.
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And it just it just gave me a lot of time to like think and reflect on myself of like how much I m capable of doing with my own hands and shit.
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And then that s also kind of the point that I realized like how much money I was really sending without realizing it.
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And then that was the point that like, it just kind of like something just kind of clicked in me and I m just like, dude, I don t I don t like this no more.
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So then
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who had sent massive amounts of money, I was just all like, hey, this ain t me.
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I don t think I m with this no more.
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And she just like completely exploded.
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I guess she had some big panic attack, fucking ended up having heart palpitations or some shit and landed herself in the hospital.
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And then she blamed that on me.
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She had pictures and everything.
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So it s not even like one of those things she made up.
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She fucking had genuine pictures of like her
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heart rate and shit like that being taken at the hospital.
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I m sorry.
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You see this girl, the girl who you sent $900 to that wanted you to meet her in Columbia.
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Once you told her that you didn t want to have a relationship with her anymore or spend money on her anymore.
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So you pictures of her in the hospital claiming that, uh, she was so offended by this, that she had a panic attack that sent her to the hospital.
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No, it wasn t.
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It wasn t a picture of her in the hospital, but like her records afterwards.
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But yeah,
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That s crazy, man.
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Yeah.
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That was one of those things I was like, oh yeah, no, I should probably also mention she has my name tattooed on her arm.
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She did that like two weeks into us fucking getting off the site.
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Dude, did you pay her to tattoo your name on her arm?
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No.
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I even told her it was a bad idea too.
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No, I even told her it was a bad idea too.
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Why did she tattoo your name on her arm?
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I don t know.
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She was like, like, like I said, it was one of the things where it s like, she, you know, I was, I was obsessed in my own way, but I think she was obsessed with me in her own way.
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And it was just, it was, it was just bad.
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And, and same thing at one point, she tried to have it in my handwriting.
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And then like her tattoo artist was all like, nah, his handwriting ain t good enough.
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And then I was, and then in the back of my head, I m like, oh, cool.
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She ain t going to get it.
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And then a week later, she s all like, Hey, look at this tattoo I got.
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And I m like, what the fuck?
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How often were you talking to this woman?
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Oh, this was like an everyday thing.
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We essentially became boyfriend, girlfriend.
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I mean, I think, I don t know.
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We did.
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We did.
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I guess we technically did have an online relationship.
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Yeah.
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And how often were you paying her?
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Um, I d say it was like, it was probably about like every two weeks, but it just, it just depends.
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So it d be like $50 here.
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Like, you know, anywhere up to like $200 there.
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And then, and then she gave me like, you know, this big story of like, Oh, you know, this is happening with my family.
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This is happening with my kid.
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This is happening at my house.
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And I m just like, I m like, dog, I don t like, it s not that I don t have the time to deal with this, but like, it s not, it s not my thing to deal with.
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Like, I m not there.
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I m not affected by it.
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So, I mean, you, this sounds like it was like a, almost a digital, like sugar daddy seeking arrangements kind of a thing.
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Talking about it out loud, yeah, kinda.
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Yeah, that s probably a good way to describe it, yeah.
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Did you have a relationship like this with anyone else?
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Or did it only really escalate to this point with this one girl?
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So after her, then there was one of the other girls that I got off the website and, you know, kinda tried some with her, but it was...
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It was something that, you know, I didn t really send her any money or anything.
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We just kind of like, you know, talked more or less, but it was one of those things that she had so many personal problems that she s just like, I don t think this is a good thing.
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And, you know, so, so we never, we never really became official or anything, but I d say I had feelings for her as well.
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Like I wanted to make her my girlfriend at one point, but she was just all like, yeah, I don t, I don t think I want to do an online relationship, which,
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Looking back on it, I m glad I didn t.
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Did you meet these women on like a chatterbait or something like that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we re like, you know, you see them as the camera and then, you know, you re in the chat box or whatever.
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Uh-huh.
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And this was all four years ago?
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Yeah, about...
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three, four years ago.
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Yeah.
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When did you cut off your communication with these people?
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Yeah.
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When did you cut off your communication with these people?
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Oh shit.
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Probably, probably about the end of winter time.
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Honestly, I just got like into a really bad depression back in the winter time.
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And I just like, I fell into it harder.
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And then it was just one of those things that one day I just kind of woke up and I m just like, dude, this is just how I m going to be for the rest of my life.
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And I, and I just didn t want that for myself anymore.
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So like,
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You know, I actually started talking to one of the coworkers I was working with at the time.
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And like now, you know, we re hitting it off pretty good and everything.
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And then like ever since, ever since I took her out, it s just like, it s just kind of been like a whole 180.
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Like I m more, I m a lot more motivated.
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Like I m on, like, like I said, in the wintertime I was like bad and fucking credit card debt and shit like that.
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But like now I m getting on top of it and shit like that.
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Did you ever talk to a real therapist about this?
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No.
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No, I have not, but, but I ve been, I ve been listening to your show a lot lately and I m just like, I m like, man, he d be, be an interesting guy to talk to about this.
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So, you know, I m saying you d necessarily or anything, but how long ago did you, did you start seeing this girl that you re, you re seeing now?
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Um,
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What was I having here on our calendar?
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Uh, the first date that I took her out on was April 29th.
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So it s been, it s been just about a month.
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Oh, okay.
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And, um, you met her at work?
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Yeah, I met her at my last job, but then, um, I switched jobs.
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So like I was working, uh, when I met her, I was, we were working in retail and there was one night that, you know, it was one of my last nights working there and it was the last night I was scheduled with her.
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I m just like, fuck it.
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So I went up to her and I m just like, Hey, I ve liked you for a really long time.
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Like, you know, I don t really know how to express it.
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And I just kind of want to let you know, like, you know, we, we may never see each other again.
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And if, if that d be the case, like, that s fine.
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Or like, you know, maybe we might see each other again.
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And if so, that s cool.
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But like, I just, I just want to let you know how I feel.
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And like, I felt that way since like November.
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So, you know.
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And that kind of opened up her eyes and everything, because she said she wasn t really into the thought of relationships or anything, but then when I said that, that kind of...
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made her rethink that situation.
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Okay.
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Be careful, man, because, I mean, look, I don t know this person, but if it s only been 20 days, you know, don t put all your healing eggs in one basket, you know, because I guess it would be, you know, I m happy for you.
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I think it s a really, for real, I think it s a great step to be like, okay, I m going to get out of this crazy, crazy hole that I m in and start talking to her.
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real women but you don t want to get so invested so early on that you know if something bad were to go wrong you know in this relationship you you rebound completely and you re like yeah let me uh send a thousand dollars to uh you know a woman in switzerland
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Right.
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No, I think like the biggest motivation is like a couple years ago, I was actually out of my family reunion when I was doing the cam girl thing.
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Cousin s mom comes up to me and she s all like, hey, I noticed that you never bring a girl up here.
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And I m like, right.
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And this was like prime time and me doing, you know, my cam shit.
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And they re like, hey, you know,
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Do you just not like girls?
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Are you gay or something?
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Like, is that why you don t bring anyone up?
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And I m just like, I m like, no, I m fucking awkward with women.
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And then I like tried to explain that to them without like mentioning the camera women and realized how impossible it was to explain.
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And I m just like, I m like, I m like, no one s interested in me right now.
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And, and, and ever since then, that s just been like a big motivation to just like, not be a fucking, you know, succubus.
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and just to do something more with myself.
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But that was like two years ago and I ve just been thinking on that since.
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Where s the in what ways is this still present in your in your life?
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Mmm, I would say like I m not I m not very good with saving I could say that fucking flat out So a lot of my money tends to go towards like bills and shit And so the more bills I can pay the better it is cuz it s like cool.
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I don t have that money So if I can put like an extra two three hundred bucks on my car I ll do that for sure cuz it s like cool then it s just not money being spent but then I
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you know, if I m feeling lonely one night and then all of a sudden I look at my bank account and I see like, oh shit, I got an extra $15.
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Then, you know, then you get thinking and then all of a sudden it s just like, oh, let me, you know, $15 is $15, but you know.
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And then you can see where that gets to a very repetitive thought very quickly.
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So you got into this thing of like, let me spend as much of my money as possible so that I am not spending it on, uh, you know, digital companionship.
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Right.
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Pretty much.
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That s, that s, that s the coping mechanism that I ve come up with since moving.
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Hey, listen, what s your name again?
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Uh, I think, I think you gave me the name of Jason.
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Oh, Jason.
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Oh, thank you.
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I don t think I m confident enough to, to reveal my, my real name today.
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Maybe another day.
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Jason, Jason, you ever heard of a Roth IRA?
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A loft IRA?
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No.
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A Roth IRA.
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All right, Jason, you re going to, here s what you re going to, here s what you re going to do.
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All right.
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You re gonna go to Vanguard.com.
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Shout out Vanguard.
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We re getting a free promo today.
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Let me look that up since my computer s right here.
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I can t believe I m about to set this up.
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This is a historic moment in Therapy Gecko history where I set up a caller with a Roth IRA.
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so that he does not spend money on digital, on cam girls.
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All right, we re gonna do, it is my honor to- This is insane dad lore right here.
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This is insane dad lore for you, and it s insane dad lore for me.
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It is, it s insane dad lore for both of us.
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This is my honor to do this, to walk you through this.
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All right, you go to Vanguard.com.
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All right, I m at Vanguard.com.
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All right, does it say where you can open an account?
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Uh, shit.
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I don t know if I went to the right one.
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This one s talking about investors.
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Yeah.
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You re going to go to, you re going to, yeah, go to investor.
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You re, I don t know.
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All right.
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All right.
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You re going to open personal investors, retirement plan, participants, institutional investor.
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You re a personal investor.
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You re going to, you re a personal investor.
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All right, let s go.
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What s it say now?
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Now it s giving me a prompt to open an account.
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Okay, you re going to open an account.
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Okay, I m opening that account.
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Alright, what s it say to do now?
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It says if I already have a login or if I m new to Vanguard, I m going to say that I m new.
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All right.
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It says now, how can we get you started?
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I would like to open a new account with money from my bank, rollover an employer plan.
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Are you going to open a new, you re going to open a new account with money from your bank.
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This is, this is, this is awesome.
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Let s do this whole thing.
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We re going to, you re going to have, I want you to have a Roth IRA by the end of this call.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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What does it say now?
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Wait, wait, how much, how much money do I have to put down?
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Don t worry about that.
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Vanguard advice services on my I m gonna do on my own.
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I got the motherfucking gecko help me.
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Yeah.
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I m your I m your financial advisor now Yes, sir.
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All right.
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I think I got a Here s an overview of what s next?
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Select your account Damn, it says it ll take five to ten minutes.
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You fine with that gig.
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I
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Yeah, uh, well, no, I m gonna I m gonna I m gonna let you off but like, all right, basically, all right, look, you got a personal I m actually on the Vanguard website right now.
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All right.
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Yeah, go open an account.
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Okay, I m gonna walk through this too.
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All right.
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All right.
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Now it s asking me my investment goal, retirement, general investing or emergency savings, open a new account with money from my bank.
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Uh, yeah, invest on my own.
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Yeah, you don t want somebody to open an account.
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Yeah.
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Select your account.
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All right.
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Your goal is, is retirement.
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All right.
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Yup.
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The account is for yourself and you re going to open a Roth IRA.
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Yup.
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All right.
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All right.
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So it s just a continue, right?
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Yup.
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All right.
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Hit continue.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then I gotta put in all my information.
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Alright, yeah, you fill all that stuff out.
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Alright, I m gonna let you go here, but you fill all that out.
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Okay, here s what you do.
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Alright?
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I did.
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Here s what you do.
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You open a Roth IRA.
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Alright?
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Okay.
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And all the money that you do not want to spend on cam girls.
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Okay, you put it there.
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Okay?
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You put it into your Roth IRA, and then when you re 60 years old,
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you will have a shit ton of money.
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I appreciate this more than words can fucking manifest right now.
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Okay, so basically, here s how this works.
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Alright, you re gonna fucking... You take money that you ve already... This is so funny.
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You take money that you already paid taxes on.
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And you put it into this account.
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And then when it s in the account, you invest it.
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Invest it in... You re gonna invest it in something called VU.
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Which tracks the SP 500 Okay, and you can t take it out without having to pay fees on your earnings unless if you re 59 years old so you just fucking you can put up to $7,000 into this account a Year
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And then, when you re 60 years old, okay, you can take all the money out.
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And then, I mean, at 60 years old, I mean, go crazy with the camgirls at that point.
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But until then... Fucking just keep putting money in your Roth IRA.
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That s my practical gecko advice to you.
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I love that.
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That s fucking great.
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Now, what s your social security number?
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No, don t tell us that.
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Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.
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Alright.
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So, I mean, okay, before we go, just, just, alright, we got you, alright, you gotta sort of have a girlfriend, maybe.
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Yeah.
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You have a Roth IRA.
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I would say so, I would say so, yeah.
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I mean, you know, I mean, look, man, it s only been a few weeks, don t count your eggs before they hatch.
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Yeah, nah, but, you know.
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All right, what else, what else with you, Jason?
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I went to the races that they have out here near my house the other day, and it actually motivated me.
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Yeah, because it was a big old drift competition.
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So people got like, you know, Nissans, fucking Corvettes, you know, a bunch of fucking cars.
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And there was this old beat up ass car, and it was like, it was a Toyota from like the 80s.
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And he ended up winning second in his fucking group,
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And it was one of those things that motivated me, dude.
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And now I want to be a part of the races now.
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I want to do some shit related to that.
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I want to work on people s cars related to the races or some shit.
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That s cool, man.
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You got a goal.
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You got stuff going on.
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That s that s what it is.
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It s another thing.
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It s like um You know obviously like whatever your career goals are like they re not going to satisfy Like these needs you have for like love and companionship, but it s good to have stuff going on in your life just uh
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and I don t know how exactly you re gonna do this because it s really tough but just do me a favor just like set yourself up so that like we said earlier if things don t work out with this girl at your work and I m sure they will I m happy to hear that you re putting yourself out there but just we want to make it so that if that shit doesn t work out you re not you know diving back into into the bad habits so just just like prepare yourself for that mentally I suppose
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Yeah, for sure.
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You know, Jason, you re a good guy, man.
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I m glad to hear that you ve overcome these bad habits.
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A lot of people, I don t know, they don t get out of them because it s tough, bro.
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No, and it s not an easy thing either.
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Like I said, it s not something I ve really started talking about until really recently.
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I mean, even my friend that I was talking to about the other day, I said, it s become such a bad thing that I think like now I m addicted to just like getting my wallet drained.
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Like not even, like, I don t know.
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It just, you know, I mean, once you get into a habit, you get into a habit.
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And now and now you get to go back to your friend and go hey remember last time I told you I was addicted to for real like I ll be like dude check this fucking podcast Now you get to now you get to tell him that a lizard told you to open a Roth IRA Bro, not a lizard the fucking lizard.
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Who are you kidding Jason?
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people the computer before we go?
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Oh?
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I want to say to the people of the computer, it s not as bad as you seem.
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It s really just like in your own head.
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And as long as you work on overcoming that, you can overcome that.
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Jason, good luck to you, sir.
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Thank you, Lyle.
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I will.
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I will make sure to call you soon.
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I will.
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I want to update you and and I want to soon reveal who I am to the people of the Internet.
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But for now, I m Jason.
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Yeah.
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And, and hey, hey, listen, man, you know what, you know what I m going to start doing?
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I m going to start, um, hanging out in the chat rooms of, uh, of chatter bait, you know, just, just to make sure that you re not there.
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And if I see you there, I m going to get pissed, but I m going to be, you better, you better, you better reach through the goddamn phone.
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If you see, uh, you know, Lyle forever.
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If you see that username, I need to, I need to get the hell out of there.
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Alright man, talk to you later.
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Good luck.
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Gonna set up a Roth IRA just use the code gecko anyway, even there s no prompt For the code, but just like at the point where when it tells you how you found out about Vanguard you say don t even write the therapy gecko podcast just write a lizard Call from Callie Hello, holy shit.
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Geck.
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Hi.
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What is your name?
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I am Callie Callie, what s up?
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How s life?
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Uh, pretty shit, to be honest.
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And I sound like a young man on the phone, but I m indeed female.
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Uh, how old are you, Callie?
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I am 24.
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Well, what s up, man?
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What do you want to talk about today?
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Um, I have, like, a ton of things I could talk about right now.
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Uh, I owe $12,000 in rent.
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How do you owe $12,000 in rent?
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It s kind of fucked up, but I m not the one who pays it and kind of got into a spot where It was required to pay the full amount and couldn t pay it at the time.
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So I just kind of kept piling up So who pays your rent?
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My partner Okay So alright, so your partner pays the rent and or he yeah, he s supposed to pay the rent and
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Yeah, basically.
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And did not.
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And so now you owe $12,000.
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Yes.
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How long has your partner been not paying the rent?
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Like six months, I think.
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Why have they been not paying the rent?
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I don t know.
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He s financially irresponsible.
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Not to mention he s 18 years older than me and we have two kids.
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And it s probably a narcissist.
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Uh, so are you two still together?
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Yeah.
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And you have two kids?
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Yeah.
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And you haven t paid the rent?
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No.
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Um, did you talk to him and be like, hey, you were supposed to pay the rent?
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Yeah, but you know, uh,
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He s just like, Oh, you ll figure it out.
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You always do.
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So over the pandemic, I, we didn t pay rent for a year either.
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And then I got, um, organization to pay it.
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So I m sure he s thinking I m going to be able to do the same again.
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Uh, do you work or are you full-time mom?
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Yeah, I m, I m a stay at home mom for the most part.
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Okay.
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And, and does he work?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I m sorry.
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I feel like I blanked out and just, you guys are still together.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep.
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All right.
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Where is he right now?
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He s at work right now.
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Okay, he s at work.
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And is he just he s just not going to pay the rent?
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I m guessing not because he doesn t have $12,000.
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What organization is this that pays the rent?
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Oh, it s called community action.
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And you re going to reach out to them to pay the rent again?
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I m hoping they will, yeah.
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If not, I m going to have to figure some shit out.
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Is this guy your husband?
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Are you married?
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No.
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See, so, no.
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I met him when I was 16 and he was 35.
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And I got pregnant and we ve kind of been together ever since.
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And I had another kid about a year ago.
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Okay.
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Um... Uh...
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You know what, before I go even further, let me ask you this.
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Is there anything in particular that you would like out of this phone call?
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I mean, not necessarily.
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I kind of just wanted to talk to you, I suppose, and maybe vent and maybe people on the internet might take pity in my situation.
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Okay.
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And you re 24 now?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Um, do you have any, like, do you, is being a stay-at-home mom, is it something that you enjoy or do you desire to, like, have a career of your own at some point?
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I would prefer to, yeah.
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I mean, staying at home sucks.
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Um, I ve had jobs here and there, you know, fast food and stuff, but other than that, not really anything.
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Okay.
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And, um, how, like your partner, how often are they doing shit like this?
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A lot.
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Just like telling you that they re gonna pay the rent and then not paying the rent.
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It s happened a lot.
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I ve gotten help probably like five times.
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Okay.
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Well, I mean, this is a tough situation, Callie.
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It is.
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I m very stressed about it.
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Yes, this is a tough situation.
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Do you have any help at all?
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Do you have like people in your life that help you?
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No, not really.
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I m from San Diego and I moved to Washington with him.
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So I m kind of like alone here.
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Okay.
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Um, man, I mean, the kids, I mean, it s the kids that just make this thing so, so tough.
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Um, yeah, it definitely does.
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What s up with your pet?
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I m in a big situation.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and cause he cheated on me recently too.
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Like had a whole relationship with someone else.
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So the relationship isn t good.
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Like I m pretty sure he s a narcissist.
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He has like cameras all over the house watching me 24 seven.
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He has cameras all over the house watching you?
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Yeah.
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Have you, have you considered,
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Leaving the relationship or what it might take to leave the relationship.
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I Have considered it.
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Yeah, I mean heavily recently what and it s just like tell me what goes on in your brain as you as you re doing these considerations um Well, it would be a big thing because we have kids and I don t I just feel so trapped I m not sure exactly how to go about it since I am from out of state and
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So it s, it s kind of, it s kind of tough.
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Have you ever, well, have you ever talked to a real therapist about this or gotten like any kind of professional help from anybody?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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And what do they say?
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Um, well, my therapist just encourages me to kind of do what I m ready for.
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I just see like, I literally saw a psychiatrist yesterday too.
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Okay.
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And so it s just,
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They just kind of tell me, well, it s up to you.
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You know, we can only provide you options.
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And I m like, yeah, I know.
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But I just it s so hard because I ve been in the situation for like nine years.
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Your therapist told you to do what you re ready for.
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Yeah, basically.
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OK, what are you ready for?
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I don t fucking know.
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Like, I was homeless for so long and then he came around and was
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able to provide for me and I felt like comfortable and provided for for so long but I m just scared to go and be on my own and not know what to do cuz I ve never kind of been in that situation before I mean is and and you know I mean I mean get get real with me here is there a fear of like
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Is there a fear of, like, retaliation if you leave him?
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Oh, definitely.
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Or something like that?
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Okay.
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Definitely, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Callie, I... Well, first of all, I m really sorry to hear that you re in this situation.
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I mean, this is... I m happy to talk to you about it.
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It s totally, totally beyond me, and I think that you should try and get some, um...
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Some help.
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I mean, you re a psychiatrist.
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They just told you to do what you re ready for.
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Yeah.
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I mean, basically, you know, she s she s offered me like options and help.
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And I m like, OK, but I m just not I don t know if I m ready to, like, accept those options yet.
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What options has she offered you?
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Oh, like shelters and stuff like that and ways to get on my feet by myself.
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But I just don t know.
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I don t know.
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I m just scared, maybe.
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What are you scared of?
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Having to, like, do it all on my own, maybe.
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Um, why are you afraid of having to do it all on your own?
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Because I never, like, have.
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I don t know.
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It s just, like, I feel so irrational.
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Mm-hmm.
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I don t know.
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Does your therapist or psychiatrist tell you anything else helpful in terms of dealing with that?
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Not necessarily.
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I mean, not in the way that you d expect.
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They didn t like give me any coping techniques or anything like that.
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They just say like, oh, well, you ll get the fuck out of there.
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And I m like, yeah, I know.
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But no, I don t know.
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So I mean, I mean, look, dude, I,
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I m not gonna and I really can t like tell you what to do with your life or like who to be with or like what choices to make or anything but I guess just like as an internet lizard
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Talking to you on the phone right now.
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I would say that I Hope you understand you re 24.
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I hope you understand or at least have faith in the idea That you your life can be much better Than it is right now Do you have faith?
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Do you have faith in that idea?
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Not really.
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I mean, I know it could be, but maybe I don t have faith in myself.
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And I guess if you had a little bit of faith in the idea that your life could be better than it is right now, and that you have the power and the options that you could take to make it a little bit better,
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that you d be a little bit more brave in taking those options, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, I get it.
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I know that s the part of where I feel like super irrational because I m like just here kind of not doing shit.
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Just kind of along for the ride right now.
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But wouldn t you feel, but like,
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And again, I don t know how you get there and it s it s you know I mean it s a tough thing to do in a in a little phone call when this is something that you ve been engrossed in for such a long time but like do you think you could like Find it within yourself to just be like, okay, I know That s gonna be tough.
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It s gonna be scary and and I ve never done it before but like I know that I
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If I take the help that s being provided to me and I go down the path of these options that have been presented to me, it ll lead to a better life for myself.
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And also very importantly, a better life for your kids.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It would just be shitty at first, but I, you know, it s, I just, like I said, I just, I feel like a total loser.
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We re just not doing anything But I guess I just want to get to the bottom of like why And like and I well it s tough to talk about this because I know it s so much easier said than done Right Um
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I mean, what s stopping you from wanting to take these options that you see in front of you?
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Maybe hoping that things will change or be different or better in some way.
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But I don t know how that s going to come about because it s just been the same for so long and most likely progressively worse.
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I do, but it s hard to because things have gone so much downhill recently.
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But then, if you have that little hope that things will get better, is it such a jump for you to go, okay, I have this hope that things will get better, and here are these options that these, you know, whether it s a shelter or, I don t know, I don t know the logistics of this shit, but like...
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Is it a crazy jump to go from, okay, I have this little tinge of hope that things might get better, and here are some options that I could, you know, are within my control to take that will make them better?
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Right.
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I m just, like I said, scared of taking them, scared of change, scared of being alone because I ve been with someone for so long.
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But that someone doesn t treat me well, you know, kind of takes advantage of me, you know?
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This morning I woke up to the toilet just fucking overflowing filled with shit.
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Just like the smallest considerations for what I do at home are not taken.
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And it s fucking insane.
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So... They say you can t turn a hoe to a housewife, but I did it.
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Cali...
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Cali, look, and I ll just, I ll like, like, bro, for the past eight years, I mean, since you were, like, since you were a kid, your frame of reference as to what a relationship should be, and frankly, as to, like, what life is, has been extremely narrow because of this relationship and because of these circumstances.
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And... I think... And when you re in that narrow frame of mind, you literally fucking can t see... Oh, there actually does exist a better life than the life I m living.
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And not only that, but also there are, like, ways for me to get there.
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You know, and I understand not being able to see that because you re so programmed in that, like, you know, narrow frame of reference of the life that you ve experienced thus far.
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And dude, all I can tell you is that.
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If you have a little bit of faith in yourself, I think you can escape from that narrow frame that you ve been living in for so long and get to a better version of life.
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And you ll just kind of have to take my word for it and find some like courage within yourself.
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Does any of that, does any of what I just said make any sense?
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It makes a lot of sense, yeah.
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It really does.
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I m just stuck in this shit situation that I m not doing anything about, and I need to, you know, like, buckle my shit up and get something done about it, but... It s just... I m just so scared, like I said, you know, and... Change is hard.
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It s really hard.
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Would you do it for the kids?
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Oh, absolutely.
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because things aren t that great for them.
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I mean, they re provided for, you know.
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But there s more I could do.
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Kelly, is there anything else that you want to say about any of this or talk about or anything before we go?
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I mean, not really.
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I mean, I ve had a lot to unpack and I just wanted to know what you would think about it since
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I just, I have so much going on.
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I ve been through so much.
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I just want everybody to know.
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Do you make anything of any of the stuff that we ve talked about?
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Do you feel any sort of more empowered to do whatever is in your ability to get out of this thing?
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I mean, yes and no.
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You kind of said the same thing that my usual therapist does say, you know, like, but it s just, I don t know.
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It s just crazy.
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I m afraid because this family is my family and I didn t talk to my family growing up so I m afraid to lose that and it s just there s so much that I m afraid of and taking that next step I know it would be really difficult for me and I m just scared and I mean you re just another person that s encouraged me and I appreciate it.
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The last thing I ll say to you is I just I just I if
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The last thing I ll say, and then I ll let you go, I hope you have an abundance mentality when it comes to your relationships.
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You know what I mean?
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Because you re sitting here like, oh, well, you know, I know this guy sucks, but he s all I got.
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And I know this person sucks, but it s all I got, right?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, yeah, basically and I and I I understand how you got to that place because it s been all you had for a while But I just please if you get like anything out of this phone call.
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I just hope it s that like you adopt an abundance mentality when it comes to your relationships and go Instead of going like well, I m afraid to lose this because it s all I ve got be like well this thing kind of sucks and actually there s an abundance of
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of different people out there in the universe that could come into my life that would be far greater than what I have now.
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And there s actually an abundance of relationships, an abundance of people.
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And when you think about it like that, it s a little bit easier to not stay stuck in a place because you re like, oh, that s all I ve got.
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So I swear, if you just get anything out of this, I hope it s that you adopt an abundance mentality when it comes to people and relationships, which is hard to do, but it s worth it.
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Thanks, Geck.
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Okay, good luck, Callie.
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Is there anything else you want to say before we go?
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Stay cool.
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Love you, Geck.
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It was nice talking to you.
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Nice talking to you, too, man.
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Good luck.
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Thanks.
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Do I have any post-call thoughts on that?
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I mean, I guess I can talk about
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I mean, abundance mentality in general is something that is really hard to cultivate.
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Whether you re in a, you know, a crazy dire situation or just like, you know, trying to make any kind of life change.
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It s hard.
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It s hard.
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I m not, I m not the master of it.
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I m not the master of any of this shit, by the way.
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I really, um, have no idea, but, uh,
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I think it makes life better and it s weird because like you can it s fucking weird because you can kind of have everything and still have a scarcity mindset I fucked that word up a lot I say scarce scarcity I thought that was the word and then people got mad at me and they said it s actually scarce but anyway like you can have fucking everything you can be rich
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and have a scarcity mindset when it comes to money.
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Or you can be poor and be like, oh, abundance mindset, dude.
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But just with all this shit, it s like you can have everything and still have a scarcity.
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It s like the mindset is so fucking important.
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And I don t know that logistics have had to change that mindset, but I do know that the mindset
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is important.
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I ve talked about that on the podcast.
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That s something I ve learned from talking to so many people is how important the mindset is.
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So yeah, I don t know.
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I m a fucking gecko.
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And thanks.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for calling Callie.
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Hello folks, it s Lyle here.
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Alright, I have nothing else to say.
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Taking your phone calls every night.
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Therapy kept those joints right.
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He s teaching you how to live your life.
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But he s not really an expert.