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Welcome to this special masterclass.
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We ve brought some of the top experts in the world to help you unlock the power of your life through this specific theme today.
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It s going to be powerful.
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So let s go ahead and dive in.
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When you re in joy, you ll manifest so fast.
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It s a really high frequency and you will manifest really, really quickly.
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The thing is, if you re in grief and despair, it s very slow.
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And that s a protective mechanism for all of us.
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Because I had one time in my life where I hit depression because I was extremely worried about my daughter.
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And it was just like this black cloud and I thought, I have completely thought myself to here.
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I could see all of the scary thoughts that I believed and that
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And I am here now.
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Here is where I am.
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And I knew I was here because to experience it so I could help people out of depression.
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And so... So no one else created you to get there.
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Oh, I did it.
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You created yourself.
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Oh, yeah.
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I tried everything that I knew, which was to be grateful and to think positive thoughts.
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So I tried thinking positive thoughts.
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I could feel how weak they were.
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What do you mean by that?
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They didn t have a lot of power behind them.
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So, they were like, I m happy, but I m not really happy.
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Not feeling it.
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Because the depression was, you know, it was strong.
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And so, what I did was I decided to not resist the depression, but to love it.
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Tell me more.
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And it melted away.
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What does that look like if someone s going through three to six months of depression?
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So I had to imagine this.
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I had to create a picture of this.
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But I could feel the sensation of it, because depression is just a sensation.
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All of our feelings are just sensations.
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And they re not actually us.
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They re just a sensation.
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I would get that sensation and I would feel that sensation of depression.
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And then I just imagined putting my arms around it and pulling it into me.
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And that was hard to do.
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Not pushing it away or resisting it.
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Because that s what we do.
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You see, we push away bad feelings because we don t want to feel the pain.
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We numb them.
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We try to escape from them.
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Exactly.
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We do everything.
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But I did the opposite because I knew what you resist persists.
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Right?
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Yes.
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And so I just imagined putting my arms around the moment that I did it,
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It just evaporated, that whole feeling of depression.
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And then a couple of hours later, it started to come back.
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Not nearly that same level.
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Did it again in three days, was totally gone.
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How long had you been experiencing the depression for?
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Was this weeks?
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Was this months?
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It was like a couple of weeks.
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A couple of weeks.
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And if you would have resisted it or numbed it or tried to escape it... Yeah, I d still be there.
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Really?
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So what I m hearing you say is that you embracing the sadness, the pain, the grief, the loss, whatever it might be, but embracing it and creating a relationship with it, as opposed to pushing it away, allowed it to flow through you and leave you.
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Yeah, it can t stay because nothing negative can remain in the face of love.
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Wow.
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Love is the light and everything negative you could say is darkness is one way to look at it.
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And so if there s love, the darkness just disappears.
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And that s why it just evaporated.
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It was the most incredible feeling.
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And I knew I m experiencing this so I can share it with people.
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How does someone, I mean, The Secret, 34 million plus copies, you know, tens of millions of people have watched the movie.
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All the other books and programs and products that you have have been, you know, sold by millions of people, have been bought these things.
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How does someone believe they are worthy of great things the way you have been able to do great things in your life and impact the world in such a magnitude that you have done?
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How can someone know and trust that something is destined for them?
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Maybe it s not at this level, but something great is destined for them.
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How do they know that?
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And did you know this your entire life leading up to this, that something like this was supposed to happen?
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No, I didn t.
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Really?
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No.
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But the moment I discovered it, I knew it.
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I absolutely knew it.
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I knew this is why I was here.
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I just knew it with every fiber of my being.
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But prior to that, I didn t.
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I was really ambitious.
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You were driven.
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You had a business.
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I was driven.
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But when I say ambitious, I was only wanting to perfect, be great myself.
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I wasn t in competition with anybody.
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I wasn t trying to be better than that person or I just wanted to be the best that I could be.
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And so I did it.
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But after I discovered The Secret and my whole life turned completely around 360,
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I look back on my life and I saw that every single thing in my life was leading to this.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Because just even things like I worked in a newsroom in a radio station.
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And so when The Secret went crazy, like crazy, and I just had every news media outlet in the world in every country coming at us.
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And I did very little.
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And because I knew that what happens, what can happen is that the media will build you up to tear you down.
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Wow.
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And I knew that because I had worked in news and I d worked in media and so.
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You d seen it.
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I had seen it.
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Is that why you did very, you did Oprah and that was really it?
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I did Oprah and I did Oprah because I knew Oprah lived this.
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And you see, I didn t want to go onto anything where... I didn t want to have arguments with people because I m not trying to convince you to do anything.
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I discovered something and I wanted to share it.
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And if you find that it s incredible for your life,
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then I m so happy.
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If you don t want to hear about it, that s fine too.
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So I didn t want to get into situations with people where they re like, oh, this is, you know, as if the mind can do this.
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This is all there is, is mind.
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You know, they don t even realize like it ll be hundreds of years before
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before it is realized what the substance of the universe really, really is.
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But right now, we can use this knowledge to completely create the life we deserve to have.
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And what you were talking about, about being this great greatness, I think some of us were born to do something like this.
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But then there are others.
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And I think about this with my mother, right?
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My mother stopped working when she was like 19 years old and she had five children.
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But my mother achieved greatness because she was an incredible mother and she was an incredible wife.
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And so her level was different.
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And I think
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You know, what you did or what I did, not everybody is prepared to take the risks.
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You took risks.
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You can t do it without the risks.
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I took huge risks.
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I put everything on the line.
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I would have been on the streets.
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I mortgaged, overdraft.
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I did everything possible to get the secret out to the world.
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I didn t care, honestly, what happened to me after it.
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I just wanted to get it to the world and that was it.
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You have to have there s something within you that really pushes you, but then there are people that
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they might love what they do, you know, and they don t want to be running a company.
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They don t want the stress of that.
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They love their family.
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They want to spend as much time with their family as possible.
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They just really love to have a better house or, you know, and I think
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Honestly, if you can live your life and you can bring joy to other people just by your presence, just by your presence.
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If you
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You can do that.
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Oh my God, you ve lived the greatest life possible.
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You really have because every single person, their true nature is joy and their true nature is love.
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And that s why you feel so good when you re in joy.
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Right.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And that s why we feel so good when we re loving and being loving is smiling to that person like you did.
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You know, I m opening the doors and I m going to smile.
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, you talk about kindness.
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This is the next thing on top of here.
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You just said kindness.
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We re in sync right here.
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Kindness changes everything.
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Want to see your life change for the better today?
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Then be the kindest you ve ever been to every person you encounter.
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When you do that, it s hard to have a bad day.
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Or you can t.
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It s not possible.
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That s why
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just do that.
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Just do that one thing.
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Don t take my word for it.
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Try it for yourself and just see for yourself what happens.
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I remember this person contacted us really early on and he said he decided that he was just going to be happy.
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I think it was a hairdresser and he said, I m just going, I m making a decision that I am going to be happy and I m going to see what happens.
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And it was incredible what happened in his life.
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Got his own hairdressing salon and all of, just because he made a decision to be happy.
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Why?
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What s on the happiness frequency?
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Everything that you want to make you happy.
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Absolutely.
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I m curious about after The Secret came out and every news outlet in the world wanted to hear more about what you were creating.
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You do, Oprah.
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which that blows up everywhere.
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You re Time 100 most influential person in the world.
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You re selling tens of millions of copies within the first few years.
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This message was everywhere.
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You could not go into a store without seeing this book.
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How did you navigate the success and not let that weight or pressure break you?
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Because some people want the impact, the success, but then they re not ready for it.
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How did you prepare yourself?
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And was that a conscious decision not to do a lot of interviews after that to not be picked at or try to be pulled down in certain ways?
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That was a conscious decision.
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It was.
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But... Did you feel ready for the success?
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Did you feel prepared?
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Or did you feel like this was a little overwhelming?
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I never felt it was me.
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What do you mean?
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I just, I just, it was the message.
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That was the star.
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Interesting.
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And I never felt that it was me.
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Like even writing the secret book, I absolutely knew that, and making the documentary, like it was a miracle what happened making that documentary.
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the way everything that we ever needed just landed right at our feet.
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It was so spectacular.
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It was the most incredible thing I ve ever seen.
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I just knew the universe, just putting that in that most affectionate way, I knew the universe was with us.
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And writing the book, it was the same thing.
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Like, I felt such a rush in writing that book.
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I couldn t write it fast enough.
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All the things that I d learned and practiced and I wanted to share with people.
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But, you know, I had like, I got a burst blood vessel in one of my eyes.
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I had my feet got all cracked.
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All the skin on my feet got cracked from the high frequency in writing that book.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Because you said you were telling me before off-camera that you wrote this book in Santa Monica in an apartment.
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I did.
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Just a few miles from here.
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With my laptop on my lap.
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With your laptop on your lap in a small little apartment.
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Were you on the beach?
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Were you off the beach?
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What was your environment like?
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Off the Beach, it was a very simple little corporate apartment.
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The documentary had been released and I was writing the book.
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It was just the perfect situation.
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I knew exactly everything that I wanted to say.
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It was really just rushing through me.
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And because of the frequency, your body was feeling it.
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My body really, yeah.
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That is fantastic.
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I was a wipeout.
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You were like exhausted and you were like energetically drained.
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Energetically drained, yeah.
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And so then with each book that I wrote was I tried to manage that more, you know, that I wasn t so wiped out.
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Now I could write a book and not at all.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But were you a writer before this?
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No.
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Do you know what?
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Was this your first book?
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The secret of your first book, and you sold 34 million copies.
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That is crazy.
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I know, right?
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I remember when Beyond Words contacted me and said, we want you to do the sacred book.
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Well, I knew there d be a sacred book because I d seen it in bookstores in my mind all around the world.
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In the front window, I d seen it.
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I didn t know what it looked like, but I could feel the book.
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And I said, yes!
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I knew there d be a secret book.
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And I said, OK.
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And they said, and we want you to write it.
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And I said, I m not a writer.
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And guess what?
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I heard those words.
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And I m like, yes, I am.
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You switched it, yeah.
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Because I m not a writer means that you will not be a writer, right?
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And I m like, yes, I am, because I can do anything that I put my mind to.
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Everybody can do anything they put their mind to.
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And so I wrote and I was very specific.
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I wanted to write to people as though I was just talking to them and not, you know, any kind of
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incredible, huge words or anything like that.
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I wanted it to be super, super simple because law of attraction was a hard concept to get your head around at that time.
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It s understood a little more these days.
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And this is what I love about what you did because you first said you saw it in your mind and you felt the book in bookstores.
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You felt it so you were connecting the thought, the visualization of what you saw in your mind and the feeling.
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You had those two things connected it sounded like.
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And this is where I think some people
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get wrong about the law of attraction or the secret is they, you know, you had those two things, the thoughts and the feelings as if it was already happening, but then you took action.
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you wrote the book.
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You didn t just say, it s magically going to be in bookstores.
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There had to be some action somewhere, whether it was you or someone else.
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Yeah, but I had the publisher come to me to say, you re going to write the book.
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You drew it in.
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So I attracted that.
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But do you know what?
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With that book, I honestly feel like I was just the stenographer.
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You were just downloading it.
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And that s why in answer to your question, how did I manage all of that?
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Honestly, I never, I just felt like I was the luckiest person in the world to be a part of that journey.
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But I know without a doubt the universe was just there.
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It just, this had to come out into the world and it was there to help at every turn.
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If someone is applying these principles,
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And they re not drawing in the person, the publisher, the right person to hire the thing to support them in manifesting what they want.
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Does that mean they re not ready for that thing to come out into the world?
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Is it not the right timing?
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You know, because you could have wanted this 20 years prior, but it didn t happen then.
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It happened at the moment you were ready for it, it sounds like.
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Yeah.
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So how can people let go of their frustration of really wanting something to happen now versus knowing when it s the right timing for it to come into the world?
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Right.
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So the difference is just simply belief.
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So, you have to believe you have it already.
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So, if I explain what my belief was like, my belief was a notch above believing it had already happened.
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Mine was knowing it had already happened.
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What s the difference between believing and knowing?
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Because one, because knowing is the highest you can get.
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And it s actually knowing is beyond the mind.
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But you can manifest with believing too.
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So, I didn t just believe this had happened.
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I absolutely knew it.
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Wow.
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And I knew it and I knew what it was going to do.
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And I
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I, how can I, it felt, I knew it so much that I felt like I had already lived the entire journey of making it and it coming out and that I had such a great time that I was reliving it.
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Oh, that s pretty cool.
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That s how it felt.
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This is fascinating what you just said.
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This unlocked something for me.
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The difference between believing and knowing.
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I grew up in a religion, the religion of Christian science, which is all about healing and applying healing thinking and applying the mind
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to the material world, but really there is no material world anyways.
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But one of the things that I would hear over and over again, when I felt like something was off in my life, or I felt like I was feeling a pain, or something physical in my body was off, out of alignment, we would have Christian science practitioners, spiritual practitioners, that would give us
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prescriptions, but they weren t medications.
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They were spiritual medications, essentially, right?
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Gotcha.
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And they were always called truths.
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And they would always say, know the truth.
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They didn t say, believe this.
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They would say, know the truth.
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And when you know it, it is true, and it is a reality.
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And it was hard, it was confusing as a kid, because I was like, well, but I feel this thing, and there s this pain, but how can I know it?
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But what I m hearing you say is believing can really help you in a big way, but knowing is what unlocks manifestation into another level.
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Yeah, knowing it s just done.
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I mean, there have been times for everybody when they knew something, they absolutely knew something was going to happen before it happened.
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So let s say... And how do they know that?
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Yes!
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How did you know that?
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And you don t know how you knew it.
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It s like an intuition or a feeling or something, right?
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Yeah, right.
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You knew it.
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Like somebody s having a baby and they don t know what sex it is, but you re like, oh, I know it s a girl.
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I absolutely know it s a girl.
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And everybody thinks you re just guessing like everybody else.
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No, you re like, I know it.
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I know it s a girl.
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Or there s a spinning wheel and you all of a sudden you re like, I know it s going to be number 11.
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I know it.
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And it s number 11.
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But you knew it.
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You absolutely knew it.
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How does that happen?
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Yeah.
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Because it s above the mind.
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It s above the mind.
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So, you definitely know it.
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That s crazy.
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So you don t have to be at knowing to manifest.
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You just have to be at believing.
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And, might I just say, that you just have to be more believing than not believing.
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So that person who s not, you know, they re waiting and it hasn t manifested and they re here and here, the difference is they re not believing it is done already.
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What s your thoughts on manifesting and manifesting something you want and alchemizing it into the world?
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Do you believe in manifesting?
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Do you believe in a, you know, artists should be thinking in that way or what s your thoughts on it?
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I believe in it a million percent.
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It s something that I ve experienced before I knew what it was.
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So when I say it s like, uh,
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I feel like it has to do with the purity of the intention behind what you re doing.
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If your intention is pure and you re doing it for the right reasons, it seems like things tend to work out.
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And that ends up being a manifestation mindset, but it didn t start for me that way.
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It just was like, I really believe in what I m doing.
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I really care about it.
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I want it to be the best it could be for me, and I m excited to share it.
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And the results have shown me that you can manifest things.
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It happens.
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It s it, but I ll say when I do it, it s never based on the outcome.
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Ooh, what do you mean?
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I m never asking for a result.
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What are you asking for?
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I m asking for, to, to rise to the occasion, to make the best thing that I can for the thing that I make to be great.
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Great is a vague word.
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I don t know what great means.
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I came to realize recently what great means, but I didn t know most of my life I was aiming for great, but I didn t know what that was.
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And I ve come to realize that great means it s a devotional kind of greatness.
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It s a gift to the universe.
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It s a gift to God.
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Wow.
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If you re making a gift to God, there s no greater... You can t put more into it than that.
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You know, you can t... What about the single?
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What about what someone s going to say?
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Who has anything to say if we re making a gift for God?
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You re putting all of your purest intention into this thing for the universe.
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That s where it s at.
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I didn t know that.
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I came to realize that recently.
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Again, my word was greatness.
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Greatness.
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That was the word of what I was shooting for.
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But I ve come to realize what it is.
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Wow.
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You have a whole, you know, kind of section about greatness and success in the creative act, a way of being, which is, which I love your explanation there.
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Um, that is fascinating.
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So greatness for you, what I m hearing you say is, is a, is a pure gift of yours to God.
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Yes.
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And it s a, it s a gift of yourself to God.
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It s like, this is the best I can do.
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This is my offering.
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This is what I have to offer.
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If you think of a formula for manifesting as an artist, what would that formula be?
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I don t think there s a formula.
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Is there an art to manifesting?
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I don t know.
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I don t, I think, um, it sounds like a shortcut and I don t think there are shortcuts.
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I think it s always a,
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a version of doing the work, of finding your way into what it is that the universe wants you to do, and then
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really dedicating yourself.
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How do you know what the universe wants you to do and when to do it?
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The right timing?
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Because you could be like, I have this idea for this thing, maybe it s the right time now, maybe it s five, ten years away from now.
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How do we really tap into that knowing?
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I think it s situational and I think again, if you re tapped into the universe, it tells you.
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It directs you.
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An example, I may have three different ideas that I m excited about.
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And I kind of get them all going.
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And then one of them just seems to take off on its own.
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And one of them, no matter how hard I work on it, it never seems to come together.
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Can t find the right collaborators, some obstacles in the way.
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When that happens, I feel like it s the universe saying now s not the time.
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Interesting.
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Because, you know,
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I love this.
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And I also hear the other side of the, I guess the coin where, you know, I don t know if you know Ryan holiday, but the obstacle is the way is his kind of stoic philosophy of like when the obstacle is there and presents itself.
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And you also feel like this is something you want to do.
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Like you ve got to kind of go through that pain and that, you know, that is part of it.
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I m not saying to turn away from the obstacle, but I m saying when the obstacles become insurmountable consistently,
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And there s another path that s going smoothly.
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And you feel the same about both of them.
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Go for the effortless way.
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Well, pay attention.
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See when is the universe giving you a push?
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When is the wind hitting your sails the right way?
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There s something to it.
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I would never suggest not fighting through the work.
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It s grueling no matter what.
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It s grueling no matter what.
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That said, sometimes it feels like now s not the time.
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It s like everything you throw at it gets deflected.
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But this other thing is guiding you.
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Taking on its own life.
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Earlier you asked about what I perceive to be a shortcut.
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And a shortcut is
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How little can I get away with doing?
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And I think that the real question is, how much more can I give to the thing I m making?
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What else can I give to it?
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And thinking in terms of how much more can we do, not how much less can we do.
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It s not about shortcuts.
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It s not about getting it done.
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You know, it s not about a four hour work week.
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I loved it.
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You know, I loved it, but that s not, it s like whatever it takes for it to be all it could be, commitment and total commitment and dedicating your life to making the best things you can, whatever it is.
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That s beautiful, man.
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And so you, so you think that as artists, we should be thinking about manifesting, but not in the terms of doing less, but putting the maximum into making it great, doing anything that s within our power.
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If it, it doesn t have to make sense.
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Nothing has to make sense.
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It could be, when I wear these purple socks, I can write a better song.
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Great.
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Doesn t matter.
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Don t question it.
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Just do whatever works, do it.
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Is it really art if you re making money off of it?
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Absolutely.
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It doesn t matter.
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It s not about the outcome.
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That s what I m saying.
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If you don t make money or if you do make money, that has nothing to do with the art.
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Art is the art, and then whatever happens after happens after.
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If you make something that you love, I know if I make something I love, if more people like it, that s only a good thing.
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Now, I wouldn t change a word of it for someone else to like it.
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Do you know what I m saying?
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It s like, I make the thing I love,
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And then present it to the world.
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And then if the world likes it, great.
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And if more people like it than less, better.
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Why not?
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We re sharing something we love, something we think is beautiful.
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So the more people who embrace it, but again, I would never change it for anyone else because that s not what it s about.
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It s not about that.
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Right.
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With the artists you ve worked with,
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that you knew before they were global successes or their art, their music or, you know, was known by many.
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What did you see became their biggest challenge once they became extremely successful?
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Because a lot of artists, I would think, want their art to be liked and listened to by people.
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They want to make a living and more people like it.
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Typically, that s a good thing, typically.
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But sometimes we see artists who have this incredible rise of success and then seem to struggle with whether whatever depression, anxiety, maybe the pressure.
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Can I do this again?
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Will I be able to have these many hits again?
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What is the biggest challenge you see with artists becoming successful?
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Probably the biggest one is, um,
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Nobody prepares you for success and you may have a dream of what it s like and you may think the success is gonna fill some hole you have in your soul and then the six and you work your whole life for this success that s gonna fill the hole and finally you get the success and the holes the same and it s a
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it creates hopelessness.
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Wow.
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Because you always, you re working towards this goal that s going to fix the problem.
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But it s, the goal doesn t fix the problem.
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It, I would say, I can t, I can t, I can t say never, but I would say almost never fixes the problem.
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What fixes the problem for people?
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It s something else.
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It s something inside themselves.
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It s something inside themselves.
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So do you think success can almost hurt someone more than before they have it, after they have it?
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It just depends on the person s temperament.
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For some people, being famous is the greatest thing, it s all they ever wanted, and for some people, they become famous and it s the worst nightmare.
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That s not what they wanted.
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They miss their privacy, they miss their anonymity.
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They miss being able to go and do whatever they want and not be singled out or pointed to or, uh, talk to, or even if people are nice, like it s a different, it s different.
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Um, and no one teaches you how to do that, or you want to, you know, go do something with your family and then.
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There are photographers there and it s very awkward.
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What advice do you have for people that want to be famous?
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You know, success is one thing, but fame is another thing and they don t always happen together.
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for someone that wants to be famous, what advice would you have for them?
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I don t know.
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I would say, I would look at why that is.
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I would maybe see, you know, consider therapy.
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Have you ever done therapy yourself?
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I ve done, yeah, I ve done all kinds of therapy.
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What has been the biggest lesson you learned through therapy for you?
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I learned how to express my feelings clearly.
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Like when I, the first time I went to therapy, I didn t even know how to talk.
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I didn t know how I felt about anything.
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How old were you then?
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Maybe 26.
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So you learned how to express your feelings then.
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Yes.
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And to not only, yes, express them, but also to actually, you know, feel them in myself to understand, not just feel like blocked off or frustrated or like what s beneath it, what s actually going on.
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And what is the biggest lessons that meditation or meditation practices has provided for you?
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It provides a quiet space where the chatter, you realize that your thoughts are not you.
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And that left to your own devices, there ll be a lot of voices in your head just going all the time.
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And they re not you.
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and they don t mean anything, and they re really repetitious, and they re not working in your best interest.
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So if your thoughts aren t you, then what are you?
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I suppose you are the unchanging part of yourself that s always there, probably from the time you re born till the time you die, and maybe before and after.
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It s what s really inside.
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It s not changeable.
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It s what you came with.
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It s not the thinking mind.
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It s almost being the observer of the thoughts.
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the one who sees the thoughts.
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That sounds right.
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Yeah.
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I m observing.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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That s what I was hearing you say.
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Um, when do you feel the most loved Rick?
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I would say in general, I feel loved.
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It s an, it s a good feeling.
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Like I feel, um, I feel spiritually connected and that s a, that gives me a great feeling of peace.
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Where do you think you d be in your life if you weren t a meditator?
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And where do you think you d be if you allowed yourself to play with drugs and alcohol?
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Yeah, I can t really predict.
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I would say meditation, without meditation, I don t know who I would be.
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It s such a big part of who I am, informed so many, everything.
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My understanding of the world is based on learning to meditate when I was young, so I don t know who I would be without that.
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Do you think you would have as much internal harmony and peace and external success without meditation?
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No, certainly not internal peace.
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I don t know about success.
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I wanted to ask you a question about comparison.
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You know, you mentioned the NBA basketball player needing to post more on social media based on what their team or the coaches or maybe not the coaches, but maybe the general managers wanted them to do.
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With artists I see a lot of people competing and being in comparison versus just sharing their truths in an authentic way.
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And sometimes on social media people are vulnerable because it gets attention and then they re over vulnerable and then that becomes a game in itself but in the
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world where everything is oversaturated seeming and there is a lot of competition for attention.
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how can an artist stay true to their inner voice and not be in comparison, but be willing to collaborate and also see success in others and be okay with it?
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Yeah, I think staying out of it, you know, like not participating in that game, it s someone else s game.
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That s someone else s game.
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I would suggest play your own game.
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I can remember having a conversation with a,
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one of the biggest artists in the world who described an album that they were going to make.
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And I had just seen them play in a stadium full of people screaming and crying.
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And it was not Paul McCartney.
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And the album that they were describing was one that none of those 70,000 people screaming and crying wanted to hear.
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It was clear to me.
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And I remember saying,
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That s not your hand.
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Like you play when you re playing poker.
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It s not you can t just play any cards.
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You play the you play your hand based on the cards you ve been dealt.
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So depending on the artist you are.
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Like, um.
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It d be like there was a time, I think, when Metallica felt like, we don t really want to be a heavy metal band.
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We want to be a pop band, because pop bands were what s popular.
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And we have reached a ceiling being a heavy metal band.
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That did not go well.
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That was a bad idea.
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They weren t playing their hand.
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They weren t embracing Metallica.
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And I think if you embrace your part, it s your best chance.
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being true to yourself, not saying, oh, well, those people over there are getting popular doing this other thing.
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I don t really like it, but it s really working for them.
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Maybe I could try that.
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Recipe for disaster.
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So don t chase something that s not your hand.
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No.
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But it sounds like.
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correct me if I m wrong, you know, the example I m thinking of is like Lady Gaga came onto the scene doing, I guess, pop music and became very popular, but then said, Hey, I want to do this more kind of jazzy bluesy, like Tony Bennett thing.
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She was being true to herself.
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And that s what I want to do.
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And I don t care if anyone likes it.
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Perfect.
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but it s what I want to do with this season of my life.
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True to herself.
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And it may lose money.
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But she was not doing it because I think people will like this.
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Right.
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This is working over here, so I m going to try to catch their heat.
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She was not doing that.
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She probably knew people wouldn t like it.
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Only a small audience.
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She didn t care.
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Yeah.
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She didn t care.
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She was true to herself.
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This is what she wanted to do, and she did it.
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Wow.
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Were you in touch with her at all during that season?
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I can t remember if we talked about that.
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Yeah.
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I m curious, but that s I m curious if she s just said, hey, I m going to do this and this is my thing.
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And for sure, that s pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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No, I love it when an artist does something unexpected, whether it works or not.
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You know, it s like it s they re being true to themselves.
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Right.
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They get to be a better artist doing that.
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Whereas the other example is someone, you know, whether it s Metallica or whoever is like chasing a bigger audience or something.
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Now, if that s true to them, that music, then cool.
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There s an audience there.
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Go for it.
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Yeah.
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But it s also something about staying true to yourself in terms of, um,
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If you come up making a certain kind of music and you get popular making that music, a feeling of, well, this is all anybody wants from me.
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So even though I don t care about it anymore, I have to keep doing it.
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That s a disaster as well.
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Right.
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That doesn t work.
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Who has been the most musically gifted artist that you ve been able to work with?
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Or maybe a few people that you re just like, they were so musically like talented and gifted.
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It was just, there ve been a lot.
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Yeah.
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There ve been a lot.
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I can say the first time I was in the studio with Carlos Santana and he started playing guitar,
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it felt like this is coming from another planet.
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Or John Frusciante, when he plays from the guitarist in the Red Hot Chili Peppers, when he plays guitar, it s a transcendent experience.
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Spiritual.
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Yeah.
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And there s a drummer named Chris Dave, who s the best drummer I ve ever heard.
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and no matter what he plays, anything he plays is the greatest thing you ve ever heard, the simplest thing.
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He can make anything interesting just the way he plays it.
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Not the parts, doesn t have to be complicated, doesn t have to be look at me, just the touch, the feel, the tone is miraculous.
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Something you said before is the only goal is to be the best version of ourselves.
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Is there anything blocking you from becoming the best version of yourself moving forward?
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I don t think so.
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Yeah, I wouldn t say I m there, but I m always striving, always.
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Anything I can do to get closer, I ll do.
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Yeah, you re willing to learn something new, you re willing to try something on.
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Or change anything.
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What do you think is the best habits that an artist can have, that maybe you have individually, but also that you see in other artists?
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I would say dedication to the craft, whatever their craft is, dedicating themselves to it, taking it very seriously.
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And being free to play in it, you know, like taking it seriously at the time, at the time when it warrants being taken seriously and having fun and being free in a play way to allow the thing that s worthy of being taken seriously to appear.
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Taking it seriously and also allowing yourself to play in it as well.
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Yeah.
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Well, the play always is where it starts.
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It starts in this playful way where nothing is serious and there are no stakes.
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And then through that, something appears.
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And then in order to get that into condition to share, there s a grueling effort.
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Yeah, take that seriously.
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And sometimes you do a grueling effort and then you realize, oh, that thing that happened the first day, that s the best version of it.
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But you don t know that until you ve maybe
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banged your head against the wall for six months working on it, and then you realize, you know what, that first five minutes was the best.
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You can t know that until you go past, you know, you have to work past it to see.
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This was the one.
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This is the best version.
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How often is it the first version is usually the best for you?
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I ll say the first version is often, if it s not the best, it s very instructive and holds a magic in it that is to be retained no matter what else changes.
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You know, a big part of it is just not screwing up what s good.
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It s not messing it up.
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No, there are all these stories of, you know, the demos being better than the album.
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It s easy to not know why something is good.
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You know, you make a demo and you think, okay, now when I get the professional musicians to play it, it s going to be great.
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It s going to be that much better.
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Maybe yes, maybe no.
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We don t know.
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We never know.
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We never know what s going to happen when we do anything.
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Yeah.
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So to stay neutral and to keep every iteration along the way and be willing to look back after you just spent months refining something to then say, you know what?
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It was better three months ago.
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Throw that all away.
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Wow.
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What was the book that really inspired you the most?
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The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles.
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I mean, not only because it s like this big, because I m super impatient, but I mean, it s super cryptic.
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It s like, it s all about the universe being a thinking stuff.
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And when you impress your thoughts into the thinking stuff, it becomes real and material world.
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And I just, it really, really, really spoke to me.
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I ve read it hundreds of times.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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What was the biggest takeaway from that book?
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I m so happy you asked because I talk about this line all the time is to think what you want to think is to think the truth regardless of appearances.
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So this is everything, right?
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So mindset is everything.
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So regardless of appearances, regardless of the fact that I m living in a garage in an LA driving a car with no grill, like
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Those are the appearances, but to think what you want.
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And I think the want is so key too, because that s your authenticity.
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That s not like thinking what other people think you should do and how you should live your life.
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To think what you want, the purpose that you were put on planet Earth to live out, that s the truth.
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That is the truth.
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So your desires are the truth, not what s physically around you.
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Wow.
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So how do we know that we are in harmony and congruency with our desires?
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that it s for something not just selfish and self-serving by itself or ego-driven, but more driven by something greater.
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Because if someone says, well, I want to make a lot of money, or I want to make a
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$100,000 in a year or $500,000 or whatever it is or millions.
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How do we line up our desires with our authentic selves so that we don t hurt ourselves in the process of making money or it become overwhelming, daunting or draining?
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I think you always come back to, is it fun?
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Does it give me energy or deplete my energy?
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And does it have meaning?
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Those are the three things that I m really living my life by these days.
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And I think that if you re in alignment with those three things, and other things certainly, but those are sort of my big three.
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Is it fun?
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Does it give me energy?
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And does it give me meaning?
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Yeah.
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And is it meaningful?
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Yeah.
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Is it meaningful?
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Yeah.
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I like that.
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And where were you at 39 doing things that weren t fun, that drained your energy and didn t give you meaning?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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I mean, I was a freelance writer hustling my butt off.
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And then like when I really did the math, I was like, the amount of time I spent hustling for this gig, and they don t pay that well, like magazine articles, come on.
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I was making like, I was probably losing money, quite frankly.
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So, yeah, no, there was none of that.
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It was not fun.
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It was exhausting.
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It had some meaning, but you got to get all three, you know?
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Yeah.
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Or at least start working towards it, because you may not be able to at this season, but you got to focus on, can I get one?
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Can I get one?
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And is it leading in the direction of something that is fun, that is going to give me energy and has meaning?
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Because you re right, like when you re building a company or when you re doing something, like it is exhausting.
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But if it s still exciting and fun and has meaning, then yeah, yeah, it doesn t get to be a picnic all the time.
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When was the biggest aha moment for you then?
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Like, was it after you made a certain amount of money or a client paid you something or was it just a feeling you had, like releasing all of it in the process of working?
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Like, when was that moment where you re like, I m actually emotionally and mentally free around the idea of money?
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Oh, interesting.
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Um, maybe I m not.
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No, I will tell you.
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No, I actually did.
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And I did put it in.
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You are a badass.
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I put it in one of them.
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It was when I had.
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Oh, my God.
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It was such a cool moment.
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So because money is currency and currency is energy.
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Right.
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So we re really going to get woo woo with the money, like really shifting the mindset around money.
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And I bring me back to my story if I go off on a tangent because I m about to go on off on a tangent.
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I want to remember.
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But I, um,
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Money is currency and currency is energy.
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Yes.
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Money is currency, currency is energy.
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And I ve had so many clients that have told me, and it s happened to me too, where they manifest when they get into the meditation and they start to raise their frequency and they focus on the amount, the exact amount comes in from outer space that you didn t even think of.
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And so my story is around that, where I was working with my coach and we were really going to shift my money reality.
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And so she s like, you know, what amount of money would be really great for you to make right now?
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Like what would have a lot of meaning?
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And I was like, $10,000 because I m $10,000 in debt on my credit card and I hate being in debt.
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She s like, perfect.
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And so she s like, okay, so how soon are you going to make it?
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And she goes, you know, like about a week, two weeks, because I, you know, and I was at the time making like 30 grand a year.
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I was like, my God, if I made 10,000 in a week, that would be incredible.
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And I was like, but you know what?
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I got to do it in two days because I know myself and I won t keep myself in that frequency.
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Like I ll lose steam and I ll decide that like, yeah, it s not, I can t do it or whatever.
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Like I knew that the stuff would start creeping back in.
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So I was like, all right, 10 grand in two days.
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Just like, great.
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Okay.
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So how are you going to do it?
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And at the time I had this little online coaching business that I had just started coaching writers.
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And I said, I ll get three private clients, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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So then we re, you know, putting all the pieces in place.
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And then she s like, OK, and is there anything else?
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And I was like, well, you know, there was this guy that I was coaching years ago.
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He was my first private client.
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I was charging him like 50 bucks an hour.
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And I was like, I could also call him and see if he wants to work with me again.
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And she s like, okay, great.
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And we re still on the phone.
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And I checked my email and he has written me.
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I have not thought of this matter communicated with him in years.
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Email, he s like,
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you know, are you still coaching?
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Can you help me?
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When can we start?
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Wow.
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And so she s like, okay, here s what we re going to do.
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We re going to put together a $10,000 package for him and you re going to sell it to him right now.
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And I know what I was like, I was charging him 50 bucks an hour.
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I was, and I really adore him.
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He s such a special person.
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And I was like, felt like, you know, a greedy pig, blah, blah, blah, all the things, fraud, complex, gigantic.
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Imposter syndrome.
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Oh, beyond, beyond.
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And so she s like, and what we ll do is we ll put together a $15,000 package and a 10 so that the 10 looks cheap.
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And I was like, I can t do 15.
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She s like, all right, 12.
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Pain in my ass.
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So did a 12, sent it to him, and literally wanted to throw up.
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I was just like, if he, because I really cared about this guy, he bought the 12.
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Holy cow.
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I know.
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I know.
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You re like, I should have made it 15.
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I know, exactly.
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I know.
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Well, here s the thing, you know, it s not like you were charging him $12 on an hour.
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Obviously, you created the positioning and the packaging of services that would over-deliver, that would serve him in a big way.
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Oh, yeah.
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I worked with him for five years after that.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So it s not like, I m just going to charge some number and give very little.
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Oh, no.
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You made sure that the value was there.
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Totally.
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How did you learn to package and position your value to be able to charge for what you wanted?
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My coach helped me put it all together, but then I had to rise to that frequency.
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And I ll tell you, when you re charging something that scares the out of you, you show up with your A plus game.
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And he did too.
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It was a lot for him too.
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We knocked it out of the park.
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Because you pay attention to what you pay for.
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Yes.
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Right?
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Yes.
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Yeah, totally.
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You ll rise to the occasion.
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Like, I got to focus.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I got to show up on time.
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Oh my god.
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I got to deliver the results on time.
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Absolutely.
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I got to give my best here.
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Yep.
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Interesting.
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So now, I m curious about the next thing.
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Was that everything to the story first off?
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I want to make sure I get it.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Money is currency and currency is energy.
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I m curious about the next thing.
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So once this happened and you sold a $12,000 package and you were like, this is crazy and this is more money than I ve ever made in my life, essentially, in two days, did you fall back at any point or did you stay focused?
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Oh, interesting.
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Because sometimes people get an opportunity
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And they decided, and then, well, I tried it again and it didn t work.
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So maybe this was a fluke, maybe this was a one-time, and the thermometer goes back down to what they re comfortable and familiar with.
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Very common.
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Very common.
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I did not, but only because I continued to get coaching.
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And I got bigger and bigger and bigger packages.
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I mean, I was paying six figures by the end.
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100 grand for like a year of coaching?
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Wow.
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So I just, because I knew myself, I was like, I am rickety in this whole sort of wealth consciousness department.
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So I knew that I had, it s like getting a personal trainer, right?
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So I just kept investing in the coaching and now I m good, but I do still have to work at it.
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I mean,
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It s different levels.
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It s different levels, you know.
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You feel comfortable at this level, but if you want to break through... Exactly, exactly.
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You do something you ve never done, it means you ve got to have a different frequency still, right?
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Exactly.
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You know, yep, there s always more growth to be had.
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Do you feel like you re kind of at like a block right now?
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Because again, you ve sold, you know, I don t know, 5 or 10 million copies of your books.
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You ve got a coaching program.
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You ve got all these quarterly success, financial freedom, all these different things.
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But is there like a level you ve reached that you feel like, okay, well, can I break through that?
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This is so much now and I feel abundant, but could you break through?
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If I want, if I could decide what I want the next thing to be yet.
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I m still in that sort of incubation period of like, what would be fun?
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Give me energy and that meaning.
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I m getting there.
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Like, I definitely feel like I m getting there and I m doing a lot of things that meet those requirements in the meantime, but it s not the big.
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What s your biggest fear or insecurity around money right now?
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That I don t know what to do with it when I make it.
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Like I m good at making it.
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My bookkeeper called me one day and she s like, would you please just open a savings account at your bank?
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Cause I had like a million dollars in my checking account.
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This was a while ago.
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I finally got my ... I ve hired financial ... I ve hired people who ... grownups who know what they re doing with money, but I m teaching myself about it, but I find it boring.
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I find investing boring and confusing and out of my league.
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Luckily, there are amazing people who know what they re doing, so I have finally gotten that team together.
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Gotcha.
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And there is a little tiny part of me, if I gave it any attention, that is a little scared it s all going to go away.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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But it s not that bad, and I probably should not even speak it out loud.
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Right, right, right.
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You re being honest about it, I think.
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There s one thing about speaking it out loud so it doesn t happen, but another thing about saying it so it doesn t have power over you.
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If you re afraid of it, like you re afraid to have the conversation around money.
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I m all believer, like don t speak into something in decisions you don t want to happen.
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You know, when I started talking about my fears, my shame, and my insecurity, it actually felt like the poison was coming out of me.
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And now I could see it outside of me, or I could have a conversation with it, as opposed to it being in me and afraid to talk about.
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And then I could get coaching about it.
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And then I could, OK, let me create a game plan.
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OK, well, I m afraid of it, but now I have a coach to help me invest it the right way and whatever I need to do.
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So as opposed to ignoring it.
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ignoring it, and just, I hope I don t lose it, but I m not gonna speak about it.
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Right.
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That s a good point.
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That is a good point.
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Okay, I ll tell you another one.
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What s the other one?
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The other one is that I m gonna make too much of it, and I won t, and it is, it s kind of like the same as the first one, but I won t know what to do with it.
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Like, I m scared of it coming in too fast and too much, because it s gonna bury me alive almost.
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Yeah, I know, I know.
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And so this is why, so I- Bury me alive.
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Kind of, yes.
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Why would money bury you alive?
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Just telling you what I... Well, this is the interesting thing, Jen.
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I think it s powerful that you re talking about this because there s different levels of insecurities or fears at the stages of money we make.
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And when I was broke on my sister s couch, I had a lot of fear and insecurity, uncertainty of the future.
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And then I remember one day I made $6,200 in an hour doing a live webinar selling a program.
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This was in 2009.
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Before there was courses and webinars and all this stuff.
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And I go, I m the richest man in the world with $6,200.
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Now, I had to split that with the person who promoted this training for me.
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But I still felt like $3,100 in an hour.
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I go, I could do this every day for the rest of my life, right?
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Because I was sleeping on my sister s couch.
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But there was still, I never made six figures.
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And so there was still a challenge, like, how do I do this?
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And how do I manage it?
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And I understand it.
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And now taxes?
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What?
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All my money s gone?
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I just made money.
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I have zero again.
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And this fear of like, this tax thing.
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And then you get to the next level, the next level, the next level.
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And I just think there s different challenges or
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things we get to overcome at every level of money as well.
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Sure.
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Yes.
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You know what I mean?
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You level the devil, right?
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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So one of the fears is, will the money bury me alive?
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Yeah.
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Why do you think that is?
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Gosh, why do I think that is?
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I think it s my insecurity about not knowing what to do with it.
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When I had very little of it, I could manage it, right?
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That was easy.
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And then as I started getting more and more, and so I do have pieces in place, but I ve opened, I ve hired a new financial team so I can make, like build the nest and it will come.
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Cause I was like, if I don t take care of this, I will literally block it.
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I will energetically block it if I m scared of it coming in and think it s going to bury me alive.
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Like that is not,
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an abundant mindset, you know?
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Sure.
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So yeah, so I just created the nests.
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I know.
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Bring it on, universe.
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Right, right.
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So now you have a foundation for it to come.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So it s not scary anymore because I know where it s going to go.
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Yeah, but I realized that.
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I was just like, wow, I am kind of scared of it coming in too much.
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I know.
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It s interesting, isn t it?
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I think it s fascinating.
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I think we all get to experience at different levels how to break through.
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Otherwise, wouldn t it be interesting if it was just, I don t know, there s no obstacle.
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What do you think are the key things that abundant mindset people around money do differently than scarcity mindset people around money?
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If you had to say three or five kind of key things.
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Appreciate it as you said that that is a biggie.
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They appreciate it and they speak about it as They love it.
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They re not weird about it They re also generous with it because when you pinch yourself off from giving you that is sort of a subconscious way of saying There s not enough to go around and it s not gonna be I m not in the flow.
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So when you don t give generously It s because you re scared that it s not going to come in anymore
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They take risks.
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You gotta take risks.
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You are where you are because you ve been doing what you ve been doing.
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So if you wanna change your life, you ve gotta do stuff you ve never done.
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What else?
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Wealthy people.
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They learn about money.
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You focus on money.
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That was such a big thing for me too.
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When I was broke, I never wanted to think about money, right?
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I was all about writing songs and doing much more noble things.
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Sure, sure.
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But when you re broke...
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All you think about is money.
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Like, I don t really think about money that much now that I have it, but every single decision you make when you re broke is about how much... Well, I have enough to pay for this.
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Exactly.
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Can I afford it?
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What happens if I don t have it?
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Right.
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You wake up first thing in the morning in a panic because you ve got to pay your bills.
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So, you re always thinking about money.
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So, it is really just sort of getting in the flow with that and just being on good terms with it and focusing on it.
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And, you know, how are you going to make it?
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Like being realistic about your income streams and, you know, and if you want to make it, you ve got to coax it in, you know, give it... Yeah.
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I m curious about this.
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Okay.
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You re a starving artist.
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You wanted to do noble things, which are about art and making art and all these different things.
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What would have happened if someone would have said, Jen, you know what?
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I love that you re an artist.
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I love that you have this, you know, passion for art and you want to keep doing this.
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And this is the way you ve been for 40 years.
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And we don t want you to change.
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Here s a hundred grand a year for the rest of your life.
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Don t worry about money up to a hundred grand.
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What would that have done to you if someone would have given you a hundred grand a year?
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And you would have just been like, okay, I m going to write and do whatever I want.
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And how do you think it would have been mentally, emotionally, spiritually versus you having to risk emotionally, mentally, you getting to heal, let go, overcome, challenge yourself into asking for money, into becoming something greater than that limiting belief.
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What do you think, where do you think you d be now?
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probably would have spent it on beer, honestly, back in those days.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I wasn t, you, you re absolutely right.
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It s an, it s an, it s a frequency, you know, it s like, it s like, uh, I don t know.
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I mean, I always, I always had
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I guess I m going to say gall, that s not the right word, but I did do a lot of stuff that was pretty edgy and I pushed the envelope a lot.
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So I may have gotten there, but I don t think it would have been as exciting as it was to do it myself.
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There really is, you do grow and they say, you know, starting your own business is the best personal development course you can possibly take because all your stuff comes up, right?
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Relationship training, it s leadership training, it s inner child training, everything.
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Everything, totally.
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Every button is pushed.
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Totally.
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So it wouldn t have been as satisfying, I don t think.
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I think I still would have done it though, because that is kind of my personality.
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When I m ready to change, I m ready to change and I do it.
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But I think it wouldn t have been as glorious.
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And I probably wouldn t have written a UR about it.
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totally changed my entire life, so.
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It changed yours, but it also changed other people s lives.
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Yes.
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So it s who you become, the lessons you learn, the wisdom you have.
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Yes.
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To then be able to be of service and teach.
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Yeah.
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From your own experience.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, the book about me getting a hundred grand a year, just for being, would not be that interesting to people.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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That s interesting.
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Yeah.
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What has been the biggest lesson in the last 10 years?
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Because that was 10 years ago when you wrote, you were on Batman, right?
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and you ve written two or three books since then, I believe.
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What has been the biggest lesson, three books since then?
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What has been the biggest lesson in 10 years since you were a bat to now?
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Personally?
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Physically and financially.
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Oh, man.
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Let me think.
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Okay, the biggest lessons since I wrote you are that... Because when you get more money, more impact, more celebrity fame in an industry, people change around you.
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Some people don t, some people do.
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Right.
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You get to make different choices with your health.
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Right.
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In positive or negative.
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Right.
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You have more abundance to do bad things or good things.
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Yeah.
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And you get to see how you show up emotionally, spiritually as well.
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Yeah, that s such an interesting question.
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You know, I definitely feel like since it came out and has had the success, you know, that I ve gotten better and better at really
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This sounds cold, but not caring what other people think about me, that is something that I m really dedicated to right now, where it s the one-star reviews and the five-star reviews.
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Believe me, I m so grateful anybody reads the book, but the five-star reviews are the real dangerous ones, right?
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Where you re just like, I m so cool.
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People think I m funny and smart.
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You know, really getting good inside, like just being like, it doesn t matter as long as I think it s good and I think it s funny and I think it s helpful.
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That s it.
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And so that has been really important to me because it is weird.
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I mean, I m sure you too, like people know who you are and it s like.
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It s a little uncomfortable sometimes.
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I mean, it s great, too.
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I love meeting my readers, but it s just like I can t get too wrapped up in their opinion of me because it s about my opinion of me.
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So that s been a really big one.
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So not letting the opinions of others be the opinions of you about you.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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The high hype and the low look.
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Definitely, because you hear a lot about the low lows, like don t focus on the criticism, but you really got to watch it with the five-star stuff, too.
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That s interesting.
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Yeah.
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Because then if it goes away, you re screwed, right?
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You re totally screwed.
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I mean, that s why so many celebrities wind up in rehab, you know?
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I always think about this, too, that I m so glad, for me anyway, that it started when I was older.
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If I was 20 and I was getting all these accolades, I would be such an idiot.
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I know.
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ways.
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Oh, I m really great.
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I m so grateful for all of it.
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My god.
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Yeah.
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Um, and that s personally, what about this lesson?
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Um, financially, um, I guess I, I, I love giving money away.
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Like I didn t, I really honestly never thought I was that generous of a person, but I am.
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But so I m very happy to find that out about myself cause I didn t really think that I was, but also that I, um, I was just making fun of this this morning with a friend of mine that I m still kind of cheap with myself in ways.
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Like I m not great at like,
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I mean, I have a nice house, I have a nice car, I certainly spend plenty of money on myself, but I can just be like, I m not good at being rich and like getting room service and like spending.
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I m just, I m still kind of, you know, the Italian immigrant s daughter who sort of pays attention.
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So not that that s bad, but.
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It s interesting, I have a little bit of that in me, although in the last couple of years, I ve started to learn how to take care of me, like with travel and food and convenience and saving time.
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Convenience.
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Whereas for, I don t know, the first five years of my business, I was making money, right?
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It s not like I didn t have money, but I was so afraid to lose it also that I was just stacking it.
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Every time I d travel, I would try to find, who do I know in this town that I can sleep on their couch?
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Isn t it funny?
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Because I was like, I m not going to pay $200 a night for a room.
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What are you talking about?
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Yeah.
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I can use that money and I can put it somewhere else.
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Yeah.
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And I was always like, how do I just get on the cheapest bus fare?
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Right.
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How do I get the middle backseat on Southwest?
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How do I get the $39 flight and just sit there for six hours in the middle and just crammed, as opposed to convenience and saving time and having my health optimized and using it to do those things.
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but I was afraid to lose it.
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So I was just work, work, work to make it, but I was afraid to lose it for a while.
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Yeah, and also like the value.
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Like I still, and I make myself too, but I hate paying for parking.
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I would rather, and we re talking like $2 at a meter.
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Like I m so weird about that.
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I m like- You d rather roll on the block five times and try to find a free spot.
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Yes, waste gas, waste my time.
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Like it s so stupid, and I crack up.
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But I also have this thing where like, I ll spend 60 grand to put solar on my house, but I won t spend $15
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I think there s a power in being mindful with your money and being, I would call it frugal, I guess, maybe in certain ways, but abundant in other ways, right?
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be abundant in certain ways, but don t just overspend on everything because you have the money.
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Yeah, I guess.
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I know.
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So mindful of certain things.
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Finding, you know, whatever level you re at too, you know, like when you don t have money, you also don t want to be pinched off and stingy with it.
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Like it really is about, this isn t just, you know, two people with money talking about it.
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It really is about figuring out where you re at and how to stay in that
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abundance mindset and in the flow and leaving an extra dollar when you tip or whatever, but just really catching yourself when you re pinching it off.
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Because it doesn t matter how much we re talking about, but it s that pinching off.
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If money is currency and currency is energy and you re pinching it off, that is not going to do well for you.
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Blocking it.
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What was the big lesson about relationships in the last 10 years?
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whether it be friend, colleague, intimate relationship.
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Yeah, you know that people are still really uncomfortable with money.
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And I do feel like it s being of service to talk about it freely and openly and joyfully.
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And it totally turns people off all the time, and close friends, absolutely.
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But taking a stand and doing it anyway.
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And really, I kind of do have to
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I have to be a little careful because it can be braggy.
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But again, like if I lost 100 pounds and I was telling you about losing 100 pounds, people would be happy for you.
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This is the same kind of thing.
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Like it s something that really is an achievement that helps me be healthy and happy.
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And why shouldn t I talk about it?
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And the fact that you re uncomfortable with it doesn t mean I shouldn t talk about it and sink down to your level, right?
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So that s been interesting.
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And I have lost friends over that.
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Absolutely.
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Wow.
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It s interesting because we ll see on social media these physical transformations of people.
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Here was me six months ago.
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Here s me now.
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Yeah.
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And you ll see a lot of people celebrating that, right?
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Yes.
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Like, congratulations.
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It s amazing.
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It s the encouragement.
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It s like, look what I was able to do, and I m so proud of myself.
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And I wish more people would do that around money, too.
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Look, I was $30,000 in debt, and look at my bank statement now.
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I m debt-free, and I ve got $1,000 in the bank.
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Oh, my God.
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You know, whatever it is.
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And I think Dave Ramsey celebrates that for people in his kind of community, where it s like, when they get out of debt, he brings them on the radio show, and they kind of announce it.
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But I don t see this on social media that much.
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Because that s a safe space, because everybody who s listening to his show is drinking the Kool-Aid.
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Yeah, you do it in the public space, you are going down.
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Yeah.
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Why is that?
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I don t really know.
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I don t know.
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I think about this too.
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How did that all get started?
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When did it become such a dirty thing?
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I m sure it has to do with some kind of control.
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Some people wanted to control something.
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I m curious about, if you re down to go there, about intimate relationships.
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How has making money impacted you intimately in relationship?
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I am definitely, that is my Achilles heel right now.
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So that, and it s been a little weird for me because being a very, I have stories around being a very successful woman and how that s not so feminine and how, yeah, there s a lot of stuff on that.
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So I m, that s the, that s the new frontier, which I m super psyched about.
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Figuring it out.
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Yeah.
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What do you feel like is the biggest,
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struggle around that you know is it my own beliefs around it totally come on now i know all this it s all the same thing you know but that s that s a that s a deep one and it s kind of a new one you know because because i haven t been a successful woman for a long time and uh so it s it s interesting
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So is this like, you know, people just are intimidated by you because you have money or what is that?
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That s what I think.
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Because men are supposed to be the providers and supposed to, you know,
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Yeah, be the providers and then be more successful.
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And I don t really even care about that, you know, but I do care about somebody being at the same level of me spiritually and sort of just, you know, just with what they re into and stuff like that.
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So that s really important to me.
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Interesting.
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Because that might be a block for some women.
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Like, if I make more money, will I be in a great intimate relationship if I make more than my partner, right?
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Well, the way that it s set up, anyway, that is sort of it.
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So I just got to find a guy who s got really good wealth consciousness, who s successful, who s totally out there.
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But it s my own story.
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It s always your own story.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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What would you coach another woman who says the same thing?
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Or who s like, they ve got a successful growing business or maybe they re making a million dollars a year in their business or more.
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And they re like, man, I ve been struggling because I haven t found a guy who s comfortable with me making this much.
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They feel like they can t
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add as much value to the relationship.
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Right.
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What would you say to that?
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Well, of course, Lewis, I have had that client because the second you have an issue, that client shows up.
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I don t know if you find, like, every time, because I m doing this group coaching course, and, oh yeah, like, plenty of people in that group ask me the very questions.
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So what do you say?
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It s not super easy when it s, well, I know, I mean, I know the answer, but am I, like, really going to live it?
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Watch your thoughts.
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What are you believing about it?
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What have you decided is true about you about your environment about the way the world works?
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Like it s all your thoughts.
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Like if you keep harping on it s hard He s not out there.
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I m to this.
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I m to that then that is the truth.
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I
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That s what you ll manifest.
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To think what you want to think is to think the truth.
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That s true.
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It s interesting because my girlfriend, I was telling you about her a little bit before, she s extremely successful in what she does.
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She makes a lot of good money.
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And I celebrate it.
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I m like, awesome.
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For me, it feels great to have someone who s more, you know,
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energetically aligned or like more of an equal match.
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Even though my business does more than her business, but she s making a killing right in her own way.
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And I m excited for her.
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Yeah.
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And it doesn t make me feel like I m not able to provide as much.
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with her making good money also.
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For me, it doesn t affect that within me.
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But maybe 10, 15 years ago, it would have.
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Maybe I would have felt insecure or not enough because I hadn t worked on my stuff enough.
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So I think it s just finding someone who s an alignment, who s a good match emotionally, spiritually, psychologically as well, who s done the work and doesn t find it intimidating.
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Exactly.
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I find it inspiring.
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I m like, wow.
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And here s the interesting thing for me.
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not to go off on this too much, but for me, something switched in the last like five to eight years where I had this kind of morbid thought where I said, okay, if I m with a partner and I don t feel like she can be resourceful and I die, can she take care of my kids financially?
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It was kind of a morbid thought,
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But I was like, huh.
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And I struggled in the previous relationships that I was in thinking, would they be able to financially figure it out?
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If they didn t remarry, if they didn t find another man to support them financially, if their parents didn t fund them, whatever happened.
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We had kids.
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I died.
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Could they financially be resourceful?
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and do things that would make our kids proud of them.
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You know what I mean?
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And that s my partner now.
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So it s like she is financially resourceful and creative enough to generate money if she needed to.
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But I don t need her to anymore.
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You know what I mean?
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So anyway, something to think about there.
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So that s one of your blocks right now, one of your challenges.
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A temporary block, yeah.
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You re releasing the blog very quickly.
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Yes, I m just airing all the laundry here, Liz.
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I love it.
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I hope when I leave this room that it all stays here.
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Exactly.
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We ll open the windows so it goes somewhere else.
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Please, get a fan.
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What is the question you get asked by your readers the most that you wish they truly could hear and believe the answer to?
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Oh, so many.
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Well, the one that I said about what do you do when the people closest to you don t support you.
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Another one is how do you keep the motivation?
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Like, you know, we go to these seminars, we read books, we listen to the podcast, and we re all raring to go, and then...
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A month later you go back in your old patterns.
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Exactly, yeah.
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So how do you stay motivated on your vision and on your growth journey?
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Well, I call it going to the spiritual gym and you ve got to have a spiritual gym practice because you do not get to work out physically and then stop going to the gym once you re in shape.
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So just because you got in shape at the seminar or listen to the podcast or whatever, you don t get to stop doing stuff.
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And it doesn t, you know, it was, oh, I m working so hard to start my business.
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I don t want another thing to do.
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So it s like, it can be 20 minutes.
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You know, you working out for 20 minutes a day can do a lot of great things.
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So it s like spiritual gym workout, meditate for 15, read a self-help book for five.
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Like what music are you listening to?
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Who are you hanging out with?
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What makes you feel like you could flip over a car?
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Like what are those things?
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And do them every single solitary day for 20 minutes.
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It s not that big a whoop-de-doo.
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You know, when you think about that, it s going to change your entire life.
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You know so and take it as seriously as anything else because that work will make everything else that you re taking seriously and trying to achieve so much easier and you know I m giving a lot of talks right now and the and the thing that I m just so excited and I m so excited to be speaking right now too because it reminds me it s my spiritual gym right like we all need it so
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But the thing about because we are spiritual creatures having a physical experience, right?
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And instead of just giving it lip service and talking, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that.
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But think about it.
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We are the universal intelligence that created everything that is.
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We are.
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Our thoughts, our universal intelligence is stuff that created everything that is.
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Why are we not more stuck up?
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Why are we not feeling so powerful all of the time?
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If we re really going to believe it, if we re really going to go steroids on woo-woo and go there, if you thought about that all day long, about your thoughts being
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you know, when you re in alignment, not the garbage thoughts that you think, but when you get quiet and you tap into your inner yippee skippy, as I like to call it, and you re there and you re in the flow, it s like, it s so exciting.
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I hope you enjoyed today s episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness.
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And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.
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And now, it s time to go out there and do something great.