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I could save for the air, but we re on there.
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Oh, we are on the overall I just turned my monitor on cuz I could see myself and I didn t want to be but what in sketches I
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I ll just open up with a Chappelle story, because that s what everybody thinks I do anyway.
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Dave would be watching himself on the monitor.
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And I d be like, I don t know, man, just be in it.
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And then I d tell the cameraman to turn around.
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He d be like, did Neil tell you to turn around?
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So he couldn t watch himself.
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It just felt like, if you re doing Rick James, maybe just be Rick James, not see yourself as Rick James.
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Maybe, like, affirmed that it s Rick James.
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Well, yeah, Rick James would look at a monitor.
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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In that character, I would imagine that s actually a good move.
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By the way, rest in peace, OJ Simpson.
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Oh, my God.
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Rest in peace, OJ.
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Juice.
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We lost the juice today.
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We love you, juice.
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Juice, we love you.
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Sam Tripoli posted something on Twitter today.
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It was OJ Simpson.
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It just said, I did it.
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He posted it on Instagram.
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But I guarantee you that that s fake.
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There s a video of a compilation of Norm doing OJ jokes.
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And it s 11 minutes.
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I watched it and then went back and started.
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It s so glorious.
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It was so relentless.
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He was so good.
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He was so fucking funny.
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We re talking about OJ.
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Norm was so fucking funny and the glint in his eyes.
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And half the time he was bombing on SNL because it wasn t really his crowd.
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And he didn t care.
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He did not care.
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And he kind of got fired for it.
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Well, he had a view.
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He had a frequency that he was on, and comics loved it, and the audience loved it, but yeah, it wasn t necessarily SNL.
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Yeah, the audience at home liked it.
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Yeah, it s 11 minutes of Norm just like, and then this stare after the punchline as it s either working or not.
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It s just glorious.
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That s skinny Norm.
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Look how skinny he is there.
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Yep.
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The suit too big.
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Yeah, and yeah, they didn t it wasn t like well well Wasn t like lauded within SNL sir.
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It was like his own like guerrilla unit having this guy Jim Downey Who wrote kind of all of it themselves?
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Well SNL seems like they handicapped themselves like they re handcuffing themselves back then it was but less less back then but now for sure
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I haven t watched very much.
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Me and Jost are friends.
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I just haven t seen it in a long time.
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He s funny.
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Yeah, Jost is very funny.
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He s very funny.
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But I haven t seen it.
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Yeah, I haven t seen it.
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I had a sketch that I wanted Jost... So the week Shane got fired, whatever, unhired, I thought of a sketch.
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And I texted, I was gonna be in New York, and I had like a sort of open door policy at SNL where I could just write, because I wrote there with Dave, so.
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So I had a sketch idea for Jost, where it was a couple is getting ready to, they re in bed, and they re like, so any STDs you wanna tell me about?
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And they re like, no, I m clean, and any podcasts?
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And we wrote, and then it was like, ah, I did one, it was a good idea,
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about Shane but like whatever and then we wrote it and then it kind of got shelved like the my understanding was some of the people at the show didn t appreciate this and then I was hoping Joe s I was gonna text Shane and be like hey there s a sketch you should do but I don t want to be like
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There s room for a show like... Well, Gillian Keeves is that.
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Have you watched Gillian Keeves?
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I mean, I think I ve seen a couple of his sketches.
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Fucking amazing.
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It s fucking amazing.
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It s underappreciated.
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Within the Gillian Keeves fans, it s really appreciated, but the mainstream does not know how good those sketches are.
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He does OnlyFans Dad.
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A dad who needs to make money, and so he does OnlyFans.
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It s fucking insane.
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It s insane.
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He does this Trump speed dating sketch.
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Oh my god.
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Oh that one I think I saw.
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They re so good.
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They re so good.
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Because it s buck wild.
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Because they re on the internet and Patreon and you kind of get away with doing whatever the fuck you want.
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And it just has to be funny.
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But that s really, you can t do that anywhere.
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You know, if you re on network television, you re dealing with so many executives.
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They re all terrified and everyone s scared and everyone s ideologically captured.
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And there s certain things you can t joke around about.
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And it s like, God, there s so much ground you can t cover.
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And it s just you handicap yourself.
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You just you just handcuff yourself.
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Well, it s also the the as two aged men who have seen many parts of many eras of show business.
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it seemed it s it s so the whole thing has got the the tv now feels like a 78 year old woman who still thinks she s fine and it s like bitch you re not fine no more do you don t gotta carry yourself like
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like you like you know everyone wants to fuck me it s like not really you you have all like the props from when everyone want to fuck you but there s a lot of other women out here now and they still think they haven t really adjusted they kind of can t right you know what i mean like how do you reduce
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Network television, how do you reduce late-night TV?
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How do you reduce?
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Sketch shows, how do you it s all the real has to be what it always was the format is just it s so Restrictive the fact that you have to break for commercials the fact that you have a specific amount of time it all that is just you can t compete with the internet because of that it s just
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We just can t and then you have all the meddling.
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I mean you ve done.
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Yeah works from you deal with Comedy Central It was fucking insane over there.
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It was insane trying to tell them.
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What is funny, and what is not funny?
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I will say after six episodes of Chappelle show they actually said I believe the quote was we don t understand your show
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So kind of just do whatever you want They really said like we don t understand.
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It s funny right because there was it there was a They we we did this sketch the mad real world and one of the execs said like it s an unfunny It s a collection of unfunny scenes back-to-back and it and I and I was like well could we at least show it to the audience and
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do you mind and then we showed it and it crushed of course and then I kind it s the only and I and I and I got in the execs kind of ear and I was like I heard what you said about this and she was like hey Neil take it oh they were bad cuz I was like I was kind of attached to it I was attached to it and I was also very I knew it s with any of these things I
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You know you Dave any anyone who s a star of the show they re jumping out of the plane Let them pack their own chute You don t I mean like you re jumping out of the plane if you don t want to say it or you re not confident in it then you shouldn t have to say it right and They wanted to pack the chute the way they thought a chute parachute should be packed and it s like no they let the jumper do it and if it doesn t work then you guys can it s really like someone who s watched surgery who wants to cut a
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It s so dumb.
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It s so dumb.
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They don t know what they re doing, and their instincts are almost always wrong.
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And if they re lucky, they find someone who s really good, who can kind of work around their nonsense and still create a quality show.
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But a lot of the times, it just gets in the way so much that you get like 60%, 70% of what you could have had.
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Yeah, and you gotta also hope that you get... that the audience overwhelms the network.
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Meaning, South Park got off to a hot start.
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Well, South Park was South Park before Comedy Central was Comedy Central, right?
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Yeah, they made a video.
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They were a little wilder back then.
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Comedy Central was kind of the renegade.
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And then South Park became so undeniable, you had to just leave them alone.
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They were so good, you just had to go, just shut the fuck up and leave them alone.
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Yeah, and that kind of has to happen Yeah, so like and it kind of happened with Chappelle show pretty quickly like after the blind white supremacist game It was first episode today.
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We re kind of like oh and then the ratings were good So they kind of didn t they tried to metal but they kind of their heart wasn t in it.
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It hit a cultural landmark Yeah, it hit it hit this thing with Chappelle show was the show.
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It s like when is it on?
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When is it on again?
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Yeah, where s the man show was more like ah, yeah
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I think maybe we can help it somehow.
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Yeah, or there it s you kind of either want to You need to if you you just have to succeed a big way and then they ll stop Yeah, they it has to be so Undeniable that they have to get out of the way and you have to actually say that you got to get out of the way Like leave us alone Yeah, if you don t leave us alone, we re not gonna do it and that s the only way to do it it s like that format is just so limiting and
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You know that format was all that existed and that was the essential format for television It was the only way to do it.
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You had commercials you had an 8 p.m.
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Time slot.
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This is all simple You have 44 minutes with commercials do it.
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What would you do if you were the
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Owner of NBC universe, you know what I mean?
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Like I don t know what these companies should do Comedy Central is basically a production company now like they don t yeah Well, they re doing the right thing.
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I think it s switching to streaming, right?
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so it s just a matter of being able to get enough quality stuff on streaming and
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get people over there.
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So they re going to have to shell out a lot of money for big properties.
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And they ve done that with like, you know, Disney s done that and Paramount s done that.
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And a few of these viable streaming platforms have managed to make like really good shows and put them on streaming.
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And they can still do that.
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You know, like there s shows like Shogun, you know, which is just fucking so good.
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But, you know, it exists in both.
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It exists in streaming and on television.
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And they kind of
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make it for that.
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You still have the commercial breaks, but when you watch on streaming, you just get the full episode.
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Yeah, I also think there s probably very little input from advertisers meaning right if something s popular People will just want to advertise on it.
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They won t give a shit What the message is it family hour is this does this?
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Line up with Procter and Gamble s values or any of that shit, right?
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It s just like yeah, we are their eyeballs.
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Let s go.
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Yeah, but even then I mean there s people that try to push back even against Shogun there was this thing about like wiring their own black people on Shogun and
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Well, what do you think it s about?
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It s about Japan.
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It s like what are you talking about?
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1600s like fuck is wrong with you.
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Yeah, exactly what it is Yeah, I hope that didn t get very far
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No, it doesn t get far but it s like they try and that s the indicative of the kind of pressures that those people feel behind the scenes Yeah, cuz behind the scenes.
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It s all a bunch of grifters It s all a bunch of network executive grifters that are all just working a DEI angle and they re trying to make like where s the diversity?
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I mean how many times you had pitches where you bring it in?
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They re like, where s the diversity?
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Like I don t have that problem because I generally come with a diverse.
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Yeah, I am.
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Mr. White diversity, but like I hear yeah and
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Yeah, I don t the the DI behind the scenes shit.
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I think that they re just they re scared They re just scared.
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There s just like what s the latest priority?
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Culturally, so they go like we have to service that priority or I m gonna get in some kind of trouble 100% and they don t know they don t they they re just blowing in the wind
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And they re so expendable.
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You can move network executives around like chess pieces.
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You just move them around like chess.
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Get rid of states.
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Yeah.
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Not even chess pieces.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It s not even tic-tac-toe.
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Yeah.
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Just move them along.
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They don t matter.
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They really don t matter.
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And basically anybody could do that job as long as you have good quality television.
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As long as the people that are making it, you know, the Paul Sims of the world, the people that make really good shows, just leave them the fuck alone and they ll make great things.
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That s the thing I always want to say.
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It s like my standards are higher than yours.
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Well, you actually I want a bomb less than you do right?
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I m more I don t want this to go poorly I understand that it s because they re basically backseat drivers.
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They kind of are like extra Like over cranked.
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Yeah, but like, you know, I I m worried.
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I m more worried than you.
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I m again jumping out of the plane.
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Yeah, let me pack the parachute.
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Yeah, that s That s what that s not why they moved to LA
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Well, they also want to make their mark on everything.
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Yeah, that s exactly right.
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They want to jizz in the soup every chance they can.
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There was a thing I remember when we were doing Hat Baked, I wanted to say, hey, let us do what we want, and then at the end, we ll pass around a hat, and you guys can take credit for something.
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The title The cat like just take we just let us do the fucking thing right, but that s they want to do the fucking thing Yeah, always they want you to get started you you get this started, and then I ll come in and be a producer I ll be my what I imagined a producer was yeah, and they did, but they don t have any original I mean, but the goodness is
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You kind of defeated them.
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I mean, podcasts, YouTube, et cetera.
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It s like they re on there.
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It s hard not to kind of curb stomp them.
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Well, it s just, they almost can t compete with the instantaneous access, the free access.
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You can get it anywhere.
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Get it on your phone, get it on a tablet, get it on your computer, you get it anywhere.
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And it s available anytime you want it.
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You can pause it, you can leave, you don t have to wait for a time slot.
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You can watch all of them when they come out.
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It s just that that format that exists like the Netflix format of releasing the entire season of show you can t compete with that People love that.
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They love binging.
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They love it.
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They love the fact that it s available anytime you want it They love the fact there s no commercials.
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All that shit is just they re just trapped and if I was a network executive
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If I was at the top of the food chain, I would be really thinking like, is there another way to do this?
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Does it have to be this way?
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Does it have to be commercial breaks?
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Because nobody watches those.
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They re not good.
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They re not funny.
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OK, but you I ve heard and I haven t experienced because I haven t made a show on Netflix other than Santa.
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The there are things that they they need you to hit certain shit by minute 10.
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The end of every episode has to be a cliffhanger.
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Oh really that s what I ve heard I haven t experienced firsthand, but so so it s as a you know show creator.
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I wonder if there is a imperative to Want it you kind of want to know with the information in terms of like when do people turn the shit off right when do it will will if I heard something like if they watch the first episode
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Then they ll watch ten like you have to you so they re like front load the first three with plot Character, maybe set I don t even know what the input so I m kind of talking out of my ass a little bit But I do know that they have information so it s a formula that they re yeah that they want It s like you want people to watch your shit or not.
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Yeah, like I I I in my my new specials 53 minutes
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Cuz I don t need it.
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I d never I ve never been like oh good.
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It s an hour 20.
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I it s never better longer to me and I 53 minutes is perfect.
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Yeah And I move jokes up.
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I was like that s a that joke.
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That s it s like when you do the live show the first really big laugh is
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Like in my live show it was probably at, I think it was at 11 and I, so in Netflix I moved it up to like seven or eight.
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You know what I mean?
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Like the big, big like, oh fuck, like a different energy laugh.
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Move it up.
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That s weird though.
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But I get it.
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It s a form.
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I m meeting them where they are.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I know what you re saying.
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Yeah.
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But I don t feel like I m selling myself out or like I m the integrity of my act.
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It s like that s just how I did it.
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Right.
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You re just formatting it for this very specific system as opposed to a live show.
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Yeah.
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Where you re like setting things up and
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Yeah, and at a live show, they can t go anywhere.
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They re there because they want to be there.
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At home, they can watch everything ever recorded.
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Yeah, right.
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I m competing with everything that s ever been made.
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The Godfather.
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Yeah.
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Can I beat- is this better than The Godfather?
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Apocalypse Now.
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Yep.
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Heat.
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Rocky rocky anything all of it and every comedy special everyone and norm yep and OJ and batteries Yeah, yeah, all the old stuff all the new stuff everything all together.
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Yep.
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It s an insane time for your attention Like yes, try to captivate people s attention now.
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It s just it s an insane proposition.
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There s just so much available Are you?
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I mean, what s funny is you kind of, it s not even the tortoise and the hare, you just haven t changed.
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You re just like, I don t know, I just talk for fucking three hours.
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Well, this is what I did in the beginning, so I just keep doing what I do.
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I do it because I like doing it this way.
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And in the beginning, like Ari was the first one, he was like, you gotta edit it.
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You have to edit it.
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No one wants to listen to three hours.
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I m like, then don t listen.
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It s that simple.
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I don t care.
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I m just going to do the best thing that I can do, do it how I feel like doing it, and that s it.
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Yeah, but you know that doesn t work the most people most of the time You know it worked, but I m saying like do you ever think about why or do you even give a shit?
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None of your business.
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I think if you think about why you ll say
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I can guess your own instincts.
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Yeah, and that s never good.
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Yeah, because they ve been good to me so far I know what I m I just stick with me I know what I like and if I m actually genuinely interested in that thing this subject I think other people will as well like if I bring on someone who s a beekeeper I don t think wow there s gonna be a big episode
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All I think is like I m interested in bees I m gonna talk to someone who s really interested in bees like tell me what how do you do it?
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What s going on?
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What s that?
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What what is your do you look at which episodes do are you just?
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Firewall it none of your business none of my business
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Yeah, I don t care.
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I don t pay attention.
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I mean, I know, I hear.
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I hear this one s huge, this one s huge, whatever.
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I don t pay attention.
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This is what I m interested in.
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I want to talk to this guy.
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I had Paul Stamets on yesterday, mushroom expert.
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Great.
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Amazing.
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This guy s got his own protocol.
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I know.
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That s his stuff right there, host defense.
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Is this psilocybin?
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No, no, no.
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That s agaricon and turkey tail.
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That s his immune stack that he uses.
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There s all sorts of medicinal mushrooms that have no psychoactive effects.
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And is any of this stuff proven?
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Yeah, there s peer-reviewed studies, random controlled trials, double-blind placebo-controlled styles with agaricon.
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Yeah, we talked about that yesterday, too.
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He s a real scientist, so the stuff that he does is very, very legit.
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And he s also very diligent in the way he sources the mushrooms.
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They test them.
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find out which ones have efficacy, which ones don t, because you can have, like, he was explaining that at Garricon, they ve identified he has 107 strains that he has, personally, and out of those strains, they ve identified at least four of them that are, like, the most hyper-beneficial, and they haven t tested them all, but those four, then that s the ones they sell.
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Yeah, and then some of them are different from different things like some of them are better for pox viruses where other ones are better for RNA viruses, it s very very interesting very interesting what they ve done Good.
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I mean, yeah, that s yeah, you know this shit.
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It s it s cool.
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It s we have lived in a time with a good amount of change
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Yeah.
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Oh, there s a lot of change.
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There s a lot of change going on.
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For better and worse.
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Yeah.
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I don t know how much worse.
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There s a lot of confusion, but I think ultimately there s more information and that s always better.
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And there s more freedom of communication, although there s a lot of attempts at restricting freedom of communication.
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There s still more avenues of communication than there s ever been before, which is almost always good.
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And we ve talked about this before, but the trusting that people can figure it out.
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Yeah, well, they have to learn to figure it out.
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Just like people have to learn what things to eat that are poison, and what things are edible.
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You know, like, you have to learn that.
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And we have to learn that with information.
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We have to learn that with everything.
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We have to learn that with styles of communication.
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We have to learn that with, you know, people that are really shitty to people.
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People don t like that.
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That s not necessary.
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Learn that.
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People need to learn that.
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And that s how you learn it.
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You learn it by watching people.
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Sort of get ahead but just by being cunts and they don t go so far and the audience turns on them and you know Recognize that some people are just you know communicators and just calm and nice and that s better and you could still get all the same information and still have Interesting debates and conversations.
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You don t have to be a cunt Yeah, the the I because I think about I m not very so I feel like you re paranoid or not paranoid you re skeptical of
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Control, right?
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Yeah, and I tend and I and I always go why am I not skeptical of control like compared to you or compared to a guy like Dave who s also very skeptical of any sort of authority or institution and I think I was thinking I m so glad to not be under the Catholic Church anymore and
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Everything is better right to me like the government.
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I don t give a fuck right like I Truly don t Apple you want to listen in good.
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I don t give a shit.
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You can t send me to hell So I don t even care if you overhear me.
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I don t I just this is better than the way I grew up right even a
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And then I m, but I am, I m skeptical.
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It s, it s one of those yin yang things where I m skeptical of too much, uh, information chaos, you know?
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And it, it really, I m sure this will be probably the balance of the next at least 20 years.
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Well, information chaos is also engineered, and that s one thing to take into consideration.
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Information chaos is not always organic.
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I agree, but then what about that?
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If Russia, China are enemies, in quotes, wink wink, whatever.
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Dave made the point that if a country has racial divisions anyway, and then an outside actor foments them,
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it s the country s fault for having them in the first place and it s like yeah but that s kind of bullshit because like if there s a marriage that is having trouble and then someone comes in and fucks with it that s the outside person s fault that because the married people want it to be good
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I mean like America s gonna have conflict naturally and I think it s natural to have that and it s okay to have that and we need to figure that out but the Once the outside actor comes in I still blame the outside actor for fomenting and that s and I feel the same way with the information stuff like I m I m with you in terms of like we do need freedom, but I Still blame the outside actor for coming and creating more chaos
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I think it s an unavoidable evil.
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If you re going to have freedom, you re going to have the freedom of bots.
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You re going to have the freedom of people that hire people in these troll farms where they have thousands and thousands of accounts.
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And they just push different narratives and they get involved.
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You know, we had Rene D Aresta on once who studied this.
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And one of the things that she studied about what are the things that Russia had done during the 2016 election was the creation of
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memes and some of them really funny and they were memes that were very specifically designed to push certain narratives and make fun of certain things and That they had made so many accounts thousands and thousands of accounts.
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They had actually organized a
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a texas secession meeting across the street from another i know that shit was so it s so like monty python yeah meeting yeah they wanted these people to be fighting with each other yeah and they do that online constantly there s so many times well i ll see something that s contentious something that s uh socially
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Something that s like very explosive and then I ll look in the comments and I ll see some outrageous statements and it s like a couple of letters and a number for the Account and I ll click on the account and I ll go into oh, it s a fake account.
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How many of those are there?
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There s fucking hundreds of thousands if not millions
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There s an FBI analyst that did an estimation, and he thinks that there s 80%.
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He thinks 80% of the Twitter accounts that were in circulation, at least at the time, were trolls. 80%.
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That would be part of the information chaos thing that I m a bit like, this is gonna be bad.
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It s bad now and it s probably only gonna get worse with AI and all that shit.
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And I don t, but I don t know what the, I don t know if we talked about this, but if there was a governing body,
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You know, let s say like over not let s say over all of social media sort of Morality or whatever or ethics.
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Mm-hmm Who would you even put on it?
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You can t it can t be done It can t be done because the government can t be trusted because they re doing it, right?
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But let s say the people elected it Do you know I mean if there was a way to get the right get around the government?
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It s not possible like I who John Stewart
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Yeah, but people would have access to that.
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Like Jon Stewart couldn t talk about China on Apple, so he left.
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He left.
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Yeah, it doesn t work.
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No, I m with you.
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That s corporate.
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I m saying, like, who are even
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I think the solution is more complex.
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The solution is technology ramped up to a point where lying is impossible.
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And I think that is going to be tight.
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You re going to be able to have opinions, but lying about specific facts I think is going to be far more difficult with
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widespread use of AI, and also when people have universal ability to translate languages instantaneously.
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Right now it s a little clunky, you could read tweets and you could say translate the tweet, you can do things like that, but you don t necessarily know what the fuck is going on.
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When it s universal,
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When you re going to have instantaneous translation into that, it s going to be far more difficult to deceive people.
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We have instantaneous access to AI, which is, as long as the AI is not biased, which we ve seen, AI is programmed, and the Google AI founding fathers- We talked about this like eight years ago when I pitched robo-president.
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And then it became, if there s an AI president, then the thing that s going to be argued about is, what information are we loading in?
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Right.
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And what are the values that the AI has?
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Is the values for the human race?
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Is the values for New York City?
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Is the value for the country in general?
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Yeah.
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What is the values?
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And what is its imperative?
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What is it trying to do?
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But the thing is, that s rudimentary AI.
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As AI scales up and gets far more advanced, and it s going to happen very quickly, it s going to bypass all that stuff and it s going to come up with some sort of a moral, ethical foundation that everybody is going to have to operate under.
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It s gonna be very weird, Neil, and it s gonna be very weird very quickly.
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Very quickly.
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I totally agree with you.
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Yeah.
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I completely agree with you.
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I mean, in some ways, whenever I hear about AI, I m like, help us, AI.
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When they re like, it may obliterate us, I m like, but if it doesn t, please help us, AI.
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Please help us get out of all this garbage we ve gotten ourselves into.
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Yeah, it could both help us and obliterate us.
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It s gonna be a wild ride.
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It s gonna be a wild ride.
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What when do you think it ll be four years at the most and four years were fucked and four years the everything s?
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Tossed everything s fucked I mean There s so many things that they re just we kind of like let slide today that won t be able you re not gonna be able to let like Congressional insider trading slide it s going it s gonna be a real problem You re not gonna be able to have bills where you have a border funding bill that also has funding for Ukraine Yeah, like there s all that kind of stuff is gonna have to go by the wayside
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Do you think AI will prevent that?
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Yeah.
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How come?
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Well, because people will be able to analyze everything about every bill instantaneously.
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It s not going to be as simple as you have to sit down and read a 2,000-page bill.
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It s going to be AI s going to break it down, and it s also going to break down who the people are that propose the bill, and then also what the influences these people have in terms of who their donors are.
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And you re going to get very specific breakdowns of what all these things are, and people will be far more informed.
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My feeling on that is that people
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In some ways are informed and we re all kind of powerless to change it there s a little bit of that right you know I mean like Citizens United or like dark money or astroturfing or or pork and bills or tying things together or Emergency, it s just all this shit of like how the fuck are we supposed to even?
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Move the needle at all as people right at all it s it seems impossible the way this shit s set up
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And I don t and AI doesn t seem like oh, I don t think that I don t think the problem is a lack of understanding I think the problem is a it s the system set up so that it s the only way to get a Law made it s like getting a building name, but you gotta have 10 million bucks
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Yeah, there s a little bit of that going on too.
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I mean, there s no way to run for president unless you have hundreds of millions of dollars backing you, which is just insane.
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It s insane.
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There s no way to run for Senate without a hundred.
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You re getting a job that s $150,000 a year and you re spending hundreds of millions.
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People in the primary have a hundred.
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Yeah.
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Sweetie.
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Isn t that nuts?
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Isn t that nuts?
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Yeah, it s insane.
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People like Nikki Haley that had no chance of being president had hundreds of millions of dollars behind them.
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Yeah.
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And that s just like, oh, fourth runner up.
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Yeah.
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Congratulations.
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Yeah.
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And that s one of those things where like, how does AI help us?
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Supreme Court s locked in for
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As long as they live, fucking insane.
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Until you die, like a sci-fi star chamber.
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Until you die.
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Wow, that s a horrible idea.
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It s not even dependent upon whether or not your ideas even make sense.
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Like you see Katenji Brown Jackson who they asked her what a woman is and she said I m not a biologist Yeah, right, but you re a woman like maybe take a crack.
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You know, what s funny is because you re you go more, right?
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You go to her and I m thinking Alito You know, did you see what s whatever?
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Yes, we what a man is I can tell you what a man is yeah, I m not a biologist Yeah, I m a man.
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Yep yes, so the
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I do worry about... To me, it s not even a lack of information.
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Sometimes it s a lack of information.
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I mostly think it s rigged against the people.
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It s rigged against the citizens to not have any say in any of this shit.
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It definitely is somewhat.
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But you also do need someone who actually understands the law to withhold the Constitution, to uphold it, and to make sure that you don t pass things that do violate very core tenets of how our society is structured.
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What did Alito do that?
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Oh, I don t know.
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I ve just as a liberal, I m just like, it seems like those guys want to like get.
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I m pretty liberal.
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I m just liberal what a liberal used to be.
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Right.
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You know, that s what I m saying.
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You learn more, lean more right at this point.
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I don t even lean more right.
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I lean more center, which is right now.
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Yeah.
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It s just, it s so the left has gone to so far to the left.
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It s gone so far into this strange territory.
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Bizarre land of cult-like thinking it s It s driven by the it s sort of everyone s afraid of upsetting The it s the tyranny of the minority Did no one can say hey do me a favor shut the fuck up Or we re gonna lose all of this right if we make this about just your minor
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grievance or issue, we re gonna lose the whole thing.
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But it becomes about the various, you know, DI or transgender or whatever, all these things that are not unimportant, but they re just not the most important.
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And you re not allowed to say to someone anymore, your shit is not the most important thing.
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Because of the egomania of our culture,
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Everyone s issue is the number one issue.
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And it s like, no, it s the number one issue for you, but it s not the number one issue for half of the population of the country.
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Well, it s also the thing is if you oppose any of these protected ideas, you ll get attacked.
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Yeah.
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You get attacked and labeled as the worst thing possible.
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Yeah.
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Whatever that is.
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When you re in, when you agree with them in 99% of other issues.
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Yeah.
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But they, because it s, they just prioritize, it s just this thing of like, no, this is, it s like the kids playing soccer where it s just running a bunch of, this is the most important thing.
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And it s like, is this really?
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And then you can t go, the fuck are you talking about?
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You have to go, yes, I honor.
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You have to start bowing and I honor.
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You have to do the Nancy Pelosi down on a knee with the kente cloth.
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And it s like, no, that s an important issue.
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It can t be the, it might not be the most important issue.
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And then they go, well, then we re not, we re going to withhold our vote.
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Oh, really?
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You re a fucking child.
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And you don t understand the way politics work.
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If you re going to withhold your vote because of one issue.
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Yeah.
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And it happens, and it s also a revolving thing of like, we re gonna withhold because of Israel, we re gonna withhold because of transgender, we re gonna withhold because of DEI, we re gonna withhold on and on and on and on.
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And it s, as someone who is on their side, it s a bit like, oh, please shut the fuck up.
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Yeah, because you re gonna blow this for all of us Well each party becomes captured by the most extreme versions of it Yeah, you look at the right the right gets captured by you know what people think of the right the thing like Proud Boys or something like that Yeah, I think of the war guns just got ya the left to think of or now abortion.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there s always something Yeah, there s always something that s ridiculous
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And then it turns out that the Republican stats on abortion are like 55% of Republicans think abortion should be legal, you know what I mean?
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And it s like, well then how the fuck did they...
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It s you know it s almost like they did it s they always say about revolving through like the dog who caught the car You know like they they they use Abortion as a you know driving issue thinking like it ll never happen, and then they it happened.
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They re like oh fuck yeah, okay I guess I guess Arizona goes okay.
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We re going back to 1864 or whatever it s a law from the 1800s that they upheld two days ago
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Well, it s always interesting how ignorant people are about the rest of the world, too.
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Like, I m going to Europe, where women have the right to choose.
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Well, go to France, because they have a limitation there, too.
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I think it s a national limitation.
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Well, no, no one ever looks it up.
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Also, try to get citizenship.
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How are you going to do that?
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How are you going to do it?
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Look it up once.
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But they haven t looked it up.
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I ve been doing a joke about how American women are like, American men are the worst.
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And I m like, who do you think s coming?
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Who s coming Italian guys the first of all they re bringing their moms That s a and B. You re gonna have start cooking dinner at 215 every afternoon.
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I hope you re happy well That s the least of your words Sharia law.
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I mean that s the ultimate punchline.
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It s like Middle Eastern guys I m not even gonna finish this joke because it s they don t have the best sense of humor about about there yeah, but if you look up like look up genital mutilation
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Yeah, it s really grim.
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Yeah in terms of the what these other guys are out here doing ladies Not like us American hero men.
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No, but it is it really is like a pretty people don t look it up They just they like sulking
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Yeah, but also there s so many issues that most people are just not informed.
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They just know what their side goes with.
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And so they adhere to whatever the doctrine is.
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I remember looking up abortion laws worldwide four or five years ago and being like, oh, it wasn t as like blanket as I thought.
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Well, Burr had the best bid on that.
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I think you should have the right to choose, but I also think you re killing a baby.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, at a certain point in time, it is a baby.
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So the question is, who gets to decide?
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That s the whole thing of when, because I did a joke, like, I, you know, liberals have to support everybody, not fetuses.
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And, and the New York Times wrote me up, like, I just saw Neil Brennan do it sort of anti-abortion joke.
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And it was like, joining Bill Burr and George Carlin.
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And I was like, are you trying to insult me?
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Thank you for that fucking Barbed insult, but but yeah, like the even knowing when even if you go no, I believe it doesn t start it s all sort of
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Scientists like the heartbeat or the Fetal, whatever.
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It s all a bit like you re all guessing.
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Yeah, and I will also I ll admit I m guessing it s just which guess Suits my needs.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like what if I m if I got a girl that I m not trying to be with who s Who s a who s pregnant who s who s periods late?
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I m like, I believe in abortion to the fifth trimester and
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Like I believe in it late, whereas if I m 65 and can t get somebody or whatever, probably can t get someone, 65 or whatever, whatever age, there is no age of... Al Pacino just had a kid.
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Al Pacino s 80 years old.
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Oh, I know, fuck.
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80 years old.
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Yeah.
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And he also wanted to make sure the kid was his, which is like a great way to start.
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Somebody I know was doing pickup at school with De Niro.
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like recently it was just like yeah I can t believe you re still doing this well isn t this is like I mean how many times has he been married these guys just did just dive right back in
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Yeah, I ve never understood that.
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I ve never understood that need.
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Rupert Murdoch just did it.
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Rupert Murdoch just got engaged.
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I think they re just comfortable with having a partner, and they just don t want to exist in this weird state where they re texting people and calling people, especially when you re in your 70s.
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You re trying to hook up.
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Don t get me wrong.
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It s humiliating.
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Right.
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I bet if you re a 70-year-old famous guy and you get divorced, I bet
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Bet it s probably pretty easy to find someone new who like plays the role and probably pretty easy to get duped Pretty yeah, cuz they know yeah, you re like the time is on my if I m the girl my time I just got to ride this baby out Yeah, all you have to do is just be the right person that this guy needs for a small amount of time And you don t have to work
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ever ever again ever like if you re a person who s running around there scratching out 60 70 grand a year and Barely getting by and then you hook up and in order to change your life You just have to need to you need to stand in Robert De Niro s eyeline.
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Yeah with what my friend calls available sexual energy and
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Yeah, available sexual energy and just be nice.
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Just be nice to him.
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That s all he needs.
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Just talk to him.
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You re candy striping.
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Yeah, you don t have to work hard.
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Just don t be offensive.
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Don t be rude.
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Don t fuck with him.
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Don t insult him.
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Don t play the same games that you d play with a 30-year-old guy that doesn t have any money.
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No.
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Play a different game.
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If he doesn t text you back, it s because he doesn t know how to text, sweetie, because he s a fucking old dude.
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Or he doesn t have his glasses, so he can t see what you wrote him.
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A lot of this.
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Yep, that s the sad part about being our age is anytime.
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I go look at this meme all my friends have to put glasses on and start holding Fucking humiliation you can mitigate some of that There s a there s There s certain vitamins that you could take that stop macular degeneration Pure encapsulations has a macular support formula, but doesn t work legit.
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Yeah, it stopped it stopped it for me for you Yeah, totally stopped it totally stopped it
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You were, like, do you wear glasses?
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Contacts?
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I can, yeah.
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I wear glasses when I write.
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You know, I wear reading glasses when I write, but I can look at my phone, no problem.
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I can read websites, no problem.
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Did it get better or just stop?
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It got a little better.
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Yeah.
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Great.
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A little better with red light, too.
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Red light therapy.
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Yeah, I have a red light bed that I lay in.
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And do you, are your eyes open?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, keep your eyes open.
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And you re laying in bed?
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Yeah, it s just staring at red lights, just chilling.
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Usually I just listen to books.
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Yeah, I would like to do that because it s it gets it s worse.
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It just gets it s such a bummer Ari got surgery he got Lasix on his eyes, and then his eyes got worse after the surgery they got better that can happen sometimes, right?
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You have the natural course of macular degeneration that takes place as you age so his eyes were great at first like this is great enough to wear glasses anymore and then
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A couple years later, five, six, seven years later, starts getting really shitty again.
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And it s just, they go, yeah, that s just what happens.
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Yeah, I think that happened to Bill Maher too.
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It got where he couldn t, he kept getting LASIK.
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I, maybe I m remembering this wrong.
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And then at a certain point they re like, we can t LASIK you and you just have to wear glasses.
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That s scary.
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Getting more and more eye surgeries is fucking terrifying.
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Yeah, that s that s probably the the one that makes you wince the most because those those videos It doesn t go well every time like yeah certain times where people get infections Or you just your eyes are fucked.
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Yeah, you have a halo around lights and shit.
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Oh, yeah I have a friend who can t drive at night.
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He got Lasix and now he can t drive at night.
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Oh
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I think I would murder the doctor if that happened to me.
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He was so upset because he s like, I could have driven at night and just worn glasses when I had to read things.
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He goes, now I can t drive at night.
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Cause if the headlights see him, it s just like, he s blinded by halos.
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He can t see around the circle.
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Like he doesn t know where the car is, where the headlight is.
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He just sees this circle of light that surrounds things like headlights and street lights.
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Just terrible.
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Yeah, I don t that would that would make me so that would make me feel so sorry for myself If I went for surgery and was like worse off Yeah, that s a problem with some surgeries and the problem with surgeons is that you know when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail Mm-hmm, and you know that s the only solution.
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I mean yeah, that s most you know I ve had a bunch of surgeries that I avoided where the doctors like you re gonna need surgery and
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I was like, are you fucking sure like are you sure knees shoulders shoulders is a big one?
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Yeah, I wound up getting stem cells in my back I had Bulging discs now like you got to get that trimmed and I was like, are you sure that s the only way to do it It s not the only way to do it.
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What did you do decompression stem cells?
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Fixed it.
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I have zero really.
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Yeah zero problems with my neck zero problems with my shoulder.
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I
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I had a full-length rotator cuff tear in my shoulder.
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And they were like, you re gonna need surgery.
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A hundred percent.
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And I went back to the doctor six months later, it s like, this is fucking crazy.
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Like, that tear doesn t exist anymore.
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It s because of stem cells.
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Yeah.
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And direct into it?
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Yeah, direct into it.
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Yeah.
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All was it did you have to go far did was it just like local?
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Well, I did it in Vegas and I did in LA I did it several times I think I did three injections in my shoulder and then six months later I got another MRI and they re like you don t have a tear anymore The doctor was blown away because this was all you know, we re talking about I think my injury was like 2015 2016 somewhere around then so this was all fairly recent in terms of like the amount of the kind of results that they were getting and
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And this doctor had never seen anything like it.
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He was blown away.
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He d been an orthopedic surgeon for 20 years.
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Did you have to do anything?
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Did you have to rehab it?
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Yeah, I did regular rehab.
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Like, once I got the surgery, I did a lot of baths.
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But you re trying to bring back... What are you bringing?
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You re regenerating tissue.
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You re regenerating tissue.
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Can rehab help you with that?
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Or is that just stem cells?
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Yeah, it strengthens it.
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I think the rehab with the stem... The key is it s, like, not injuring it while you re healing.
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And the problem is it starts feeling better, and then you start pushing, and then you re-aggravate the injury, and then you re in this repetitive cycle.
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But if you can avoid that, like my friend Shane Dorian, he s a big wave surfer, and he got serious stem cells down in Tijuana.
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where they could do wild shit.
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And he got his entire back done.
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So they put him under, and they do every disc in his back.
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And they re like, you can t do anything.
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Like, you can only walk for like a couple of months.
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Like, that s all you could do.
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And for a guy like him, who s a world champion surfer, and he s an athlete, and he s always exercising, he s always doing something that s crazy to just not, all you could do is walk.
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But now he feels fucking incredible.
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And it s just months later.
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And he has the back of a, his old back.
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Well, it s definitely a lot better than it used to be.
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And that s the key to these things.
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And if you were allowed to do those in America, like you re allowed to do those overseas, I think you d see remarkable improvements.
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But the problem is, then you have orthopedic surgeons who don t want this to happen.
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And they ll try to tell you not to do it, because if more people do it, they start telling more people to do it, people are going to avoid surgeries, and they re going to be out of a job.
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There s one of these in, Jimmy, if you bring this up, there s a film that they can put on teeth
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That will basically just prevent cavities forever Really yeah, I saw it like three weeks ago.
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There s like a microscopic film invisible You d like they like kind of painted on they want to do it on kids
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like low-income kids and and It will again.
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Maybe I misread it Jamie if you look it up No, it s a new thing, but there are and I m not even I mean I get I am Conspiracy minded in terms of like yeah people will try to prevent that but I wonder which ones they ll let through I
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Well, if there s money in painting people s kids with that stuff, they might let it through.
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The scariest one is fluoride.
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The fluoride in the water thing is bananas.
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Because they re like, oh, it prevents tooth decay.
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It also fucking causes a drop in IQ.
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That s absolutely measurable.
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If you could see the difference between the amount of fluoride in the water and the amount of the drop in IQs in that area, there s a direct correlation.
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But it s in like a lot of countries.
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Fluoride is a weird one man Because there s a lot of like very credible scientists that would point to the fact that fluoride is a neurotoxin It s not good for you at all and they re like, oh, yeah, but in small doses, but fucking says who?
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Says who and for what purpose the way I pointed out It s like say if someone gets skin cancer and you say okay.
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Well, we re gonna put sunscreen and all the apples Well, hey hold the fuck on
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How about just brush your fucking teeth?
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Why do you have to put that shit in the water?
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So every time I cook spaghetti, I have fluoride in my fucking spaghetti.
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Like, what are we doing?
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Yeah, I mean, I don t, I m curious, because I looked this up recently, because what I ve heard is the amount of fluoride that makes it toxic is like, just a huge amount.
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It s like the dog eating chocolate thing.
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They would look up how much chocolate a dog has to eat to kill it.
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Yeah, it s like half its body weight or something.
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It s like, it s a huge amount.
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What I remember is that in order for fluoride to be toxic, it s gotta be a major amount.
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Right, but there s a correlation between high levels of fluoride in water and low IQs.
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We don t really know, and it s developmental cycle of a child that you re interfering with.
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So if you take children and you give them this neurotoxin, and you have it in the water to prevent them from getting cavities, and you literally lower their IQ, which seems possible.
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Yeah, I don t know.
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I don t know how they came to the decision.
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There s no fucking reason to do it.
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There s no reason to do it.
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It s stupid.
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Cavity fighting liquid prevents 80% of cavities.
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Finds largest U.S.
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study, new treatment, uses silver diamine fluoride.
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Sorry, buddy.
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Which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities.
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Guys, I should have never brought it up.
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Well, it s a surface thing, though.
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You re not covering- Well, it s stuck in your mouth, though, I think.
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You re not drinking it.
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What s it saying?
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Dental cavities are a distressing sensation that, if left untreated, can result in terrifying pain, swelling, and restless nights.
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A team of researchers at New York University identified a cavity-fighting solution that is both effective and affordable.
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The new treatment uses silver diamine fluoride, which is an inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities and even shields the existing ones from getting worse.
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So that doesn t really prevent you from getting cavities.
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It stops cavities.
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Didn t it just say it prevents cavities?
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Shields them.
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An inexpensive liquid that prevents cavities.
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But does it cover the teeth and prevents future cavities?
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I believe maybe in the next paragraph it ll say that.
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It s quicker to apply and less expensive than sealants, so it seems like they re doing it on cavities prevent and arrest cavities Reducing the need for drilling and filling So they can prevent cavities on people that don t have cavities And then they can fill the cavities with this stuff and prevent them from getting worse dental cavities are prevailing concern Center s disease control But doesn t just brushing your fucking teeth prevent cavities yeah, yes No
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I have.
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I haven t had cavity since I was a little kid.
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I just brush my teeth.
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Thank you, fluoride.
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I don t think it s fluoride.
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That s tonight s episode of Joe Rogue.
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I have a well.
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I don t fluoride in my home water.
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Is that true?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I try to avoid fluoride wherever possible.
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You live with fluoride.
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I mean, but the first half of your life was you were riddled with fluoride.
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I m sure I got it.
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Until a couple, until you moved here.
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Well, I used to use fluoride too.
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No.
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Yeah.
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Even when I lived in LA.
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No, that s not true.
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I never drank water out of the tap.
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Oh, you didn t?
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You had your own well.
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Or you had your own well.
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I would never drink water out of the tap.
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Never.
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Interesting.
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It s fucking terrible for you.
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It smells bad.
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It smells like chemicals and even if it s like mostly okay It s like why are you doing that to yourself?
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Like have you ever like seen any studies on fluoride and the ones I saw were just like it s pretty minor the ones I ve seen
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It s not necessarily minor.
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It s poison, and it s not necessary.
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There s no reason for it, and it seems like there s a lot of money tied into fluoridating drinking water.
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Look up countries that fluorinate their... fluoridize?
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Fluorify?
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Fluoridate?
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Their water.
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Because it s... I looked it up.
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Yeah, I looked it up.
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So if we all have bad IQs, it s fine.
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Did you watch the Sinanon thing the one that there s a HBO documentary about this?
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It s really you ll really like it.
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It s like about what it s called Sinanon sin, and it was like a group
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It was a bit of a, it was a cult.
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And then they, it started out as like kind of a self help as like a 12 step fellowship.
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It s the classic.
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Then it became a cult.
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Then the leader goes crazy.
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I m on it.
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It s only episode two, but it really does follow like the, the, the thing of like every cult at some point the leader goes, Hey, I spoke to God and he needs me to fuck all your wives.
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Sorry guys.
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Yeah, what is it about?
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It s also it s a little cold.
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It s from the 70s.
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Yeah the Golden Age The late started in the 60s went into the 70s starts in black and white
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Yeah, it s on HBO Max or whatever.
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Everyone shaves their heads.
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It s fucking right up your alley Like it s yeah, there s the guy.
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Yeah, they have audio of him screaming at them An attack against hidden on his attack against him.
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Yeah, it s it s it s Custom made for you.
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That s beautiful.
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I ve literally never been on for it just came out last week and
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I have a thing in my in my new Netflix about where I m talking about you.
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I m talking about I m talking about the outsize role that You know because Corporation corporate leaders have been are basically piece of shit politicians a piece of shit clergy imams pastors a piece of shit now somehow it s all become like
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well what do the clowns think now it s up to the now it s up to comedians to be the moral arbiters and it s you dave i mentioned ellen i mentioned kevin hart i mentioned just all these people that s like why are you guys consider i mean i know why because it s just everyone else
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Couldn t do it and comedians have opinions and like Carlin was moral sometimes Jon Stewart is moral, you know, but I don t but it s one of these things like it shouldn t be up to us guys, right?
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We re like we shouldn t be the backstop of
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We shouldn t be the moral backbone of America.
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We re one of the rare people the rare groups of people that are allowed to speak freely Yeah, and that s what it is.
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It s like we re the one as long as we can find an angle where it s funny Well, that s the thing is people are mad.
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It s like on here people get mad at you for not being Reading the talking points of the National Institutes of Health
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I never understand what people want you to be.
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Walk me through this.
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Where Joe says everything you want him to say.
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It s not possible.
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It s also not a show anymore.
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You can t make everyone happy.
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It s impossible.
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And if you try to operate in this world where you re trying to make people happy versus just trying to be honest, you re fucked.
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You re fucked.
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You re fucked from the jump.
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There s no way to do that.
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It s not possible.
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You won t be you anymore.
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You will be compromised.
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Yeah.
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You know, I mean, I feel that about so many things.
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Feel that about reading comments.
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I don t think you should read comment.
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I I don t I think that it s it s a it s been a detriment yeah to certainly like public
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Comment it or what whatever we do whatever like public speaking to because it really does kind of you think about like well What are they gonna?
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What s the worst thing you could possibly say about what I m thinking of saying, right?
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And it s a bad way to approach things.
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It s also people that are deeply dishonest, of course, and and deeply unhappy and yeah Like oh, he s just a grifter.
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It s a pro abortion grifter.
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Yeah trying to get that right-wing money instead of just trying to make a point and
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But everyone s trapped.
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They re trapped in these ideological bubbles and they don t know what to do.
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And if you keep reading the comments on that bubble, you will stay trapped.
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You will stay trapped.
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You re fucked.
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You have to be able to think freely and express yourself freely.
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And you can be wrong.
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And if you re wrong, you have to be able to admit you re wrong.
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And you have to be able to say why you re wrong and why you thought this and why you think differently now.
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And that s just a function of being an honest human being.
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And it s possible to do.
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But God damn, that is a whitewater rafting trip that is fucking filled with rocks.
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There s bears catching salmon on your phone.
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It s crazy.
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Scrape your fucking face.
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Yeah.
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It s scary.
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It s scary.
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How do you...
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Like do you do you monitor yourself at all?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like do you have you had to have you gone like well, this is getting pretty This is getting pretty This megaphones getting pretty big you re having to hire a lot of security at your live shows You know what?
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I mean?
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Like just I m assuming like the bigger the venues are getting bigger.
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There s just more Does it ever go?
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Does it I mean it s got to be validating for you as a person right you got to be like oh?
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I must have I kind of I must have done some shit right and then Does it make you?
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Police yourself.
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Do you go like let me really try to be a
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I think it makes you, you definitely have to be more clear with what you think and why you think it.
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Instead of just shooting off the cuff, which I definitely used to do a lot when I was younger.
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I d have an idea in my head and I d just run with it and then I d try to defend that idea.
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But even the fluoride thing, right?
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Yeah what we just talked about.
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Mm-hmm.
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That s the same conversation We would have had 10 years ago.
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Sure, right?
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Yeah, does it do you now think of how do you go?
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I have to know what studies are what and if that s a true and it s been You know Replicated etc, etc, etc, or is it still kind of the same like yeah, I think I read that
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The same thing we all do generally which is like yeah, I read that or I heard that or whatever Well, it s been a while, but I have read multiple studies.
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No.
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Yeah, but I m saying to multiple experts Yeah, if I didn t I would say I m not sure.
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Mm-hmm.
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I m not sure.
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I know I m not sure but fluoride is not healthy.
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It s not One of those ones where I can just say that yeah, but then there s other things where it s like a vegan diet and
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I know people that do it.
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I know people that have pulled it off.
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It s possible to do it.
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Hey, you look like shit.
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No, I m just kidding.
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You re a motherfucker.
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You look all right.
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You look thin and healthy.
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Thank you so much.
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But you can do it if you supplement carefully, and you re a smart guy.
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You know what to eat and what not to eat.
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And I can get my blood tested and go to a guy and he tells me, yeah, yeah.
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You have money.
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You can do all the things that you do to make sure that you re okay.
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It absolutely can be done.
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I know people that eat a vegan diet, and I also think there s biodiversity.
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There s some people
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Their ancestry is very different.
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Their their genetics are very different and they re they re much more Vegan diet is more tolerable for them like Indian people Indian people have been eating vegetarian food for so fucking long You know, I would imagine that their body Their genes have adapted if they ve come from a long line of vegetarians
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Yeah, like they re kind of stuck with vegetable.
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And they re kind of stuck with... I mean, maybe it would be beneficial for them to supplement with protein.
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Or they figured it out.
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They have it.
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Their body has figured it out.
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Whatever it was deficient in, it s figured out a way around it by what was available to them.
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Right.
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But when we look at countries that consume more meat, they re healthier and they live longer.
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Hong Kong is a great example of that.
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So there s some great studies that have been done on Hong Kong.
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They have one of the highest meat consumptions and higher life expectancies.
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Yeah, then there s also like blue zone.
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How long have they been doing it?
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Yeah, and the blue zone of the like a little bit of protein Yeah, that s it s I guess what you re saying is the acknowledgement that like shits complicated and there s no one right or wrong There s also things like healthy user bias like the most important thing that pretty much most of the objective doctors will say the most important thing is physical activity and that if you are not physically active and you eat well
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You re almost better off smoking cigarettes and being physically active.
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Mm-hmm.
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Then yeah, then then doing that by the way This is always fascinating because I ve been asking people.
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Do you know what percentage of people die?
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Smokers die of lung cancer.
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What percentage 10 to 15 percent?
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That s crazy.
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Isn t that low?
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That s crazy.
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Wouldn t you think it s like 60?
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That s great.
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It s 10 to and I ve looked it up repeatedly like am I misreading this?
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The amount of smokers that die of lung cancer is 10 to 15%.
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But do they die of other stuff?
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Well, yeah, of course, comorbidities, etc.
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But like smoking just in general, like you re limiting your oxygen intake.
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There s a lot of factors.
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Yeah, but it s not as bad as you d hope.
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Right.
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You know what I mean?
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This one doctor that I was talking to that was very adamant about that.
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He has physical activity.
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If you don t have physical activity, you might as well be a drinker and a smoker.
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Yeah, you re fucked.
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And then there s also the loneliness thing.
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Oh, yeah, that s a big one, man.
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It s a big factor.
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What percentage of studies found the risk of developing lung cancer increases to 14% if you smoke cigarettes?
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If you smoke one to five cigarettes per day, your risk is around 7.7%.
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And if you smoke more than 35 cigarettes a day, you have a 26% chance of developing.
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Well, that s a lot.
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That s 35 cigarettes.
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By 80, though.
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By 80.
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That s like a whole lifetime of smoking 35.
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What is that, a pack and a half?
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Yeah, almost two.
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Is two packs 40?
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Yeah, 20 in a pack.
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Wow.
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26%.
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That s three out of four.
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Which, by the way, is the exact same number of FDA drugs that get pulled. 25%.
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of all FDA-approved drugs get pulled because they ve killed too many people.
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Oh, right.
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When they re like, oh, fuck!
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Whoopsies.
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We didn t test it good enough.
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Yeah, whoopsies.
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We believe those pharmaceutical drug companies.
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Yeah.
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That was the weird one for me during the pandemic was the trust in the pharmaceutical drug companies.
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And especially when I started talking to experts that actually spent their living litigating financial settlements for adverse effects of drugs.
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And you find out that scientists, when you hear about peer-reviewed data, they re not even allowed to see the actual data.
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They see the analysis of the data by the pharmaceutical drug companies that perform the studies.
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I m of two minds about this cuz on the one hand I agree with you, and I ve had similar experiences and on the other hand I m like people I don t fucking have time To do the research right on all of these things myself And I have a lot of time like do you know what I mean like I don t I don t I?
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They are, everything s fucking corrupt and it s so aggravating and so like predictable because it s just human beings and they re just going to be corrupt and you just have to hope that the thing that you re the pill you re taking wasn t a victim of the corruption or the operation or even the stem cell or whatever you do you just have to hope it wasn t a victim of humanity and
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So I m with you, because I ve heard shit about vaccines.
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I ve learned you can test for anything.
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I ve heard statisticians say you can make anything.
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You can crunch numbers any way you want to get to what you need.
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Well, they certainly have done that, and that s the big Vioxx scandal.
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Like in the emails when they released Vioxx, they literally said- Which one s Vioxx?
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Vioxx is an anti-inflammatory that they use that is no better than non-steroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen.
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And it s killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 60,000 Americans before it was pulled.
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Well, there was that other one, the anti-histamine that wasn t anything.
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What s that one?
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The Sudafed one.
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The one that was like a month and a half ago, most cough medicine wasn t medicine.
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Look at it.
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It was I was I assumed you just did you did like an emergency episode about this No, look at I don t even know what to look up cough medicine Fraud.
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Yeah, look up cough medicine isn t medicine.
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It was fucking insane and but again, I have my kid has a cold right and
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So my kids literally stuffed up this very second.
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I m a parent the fuck am I supposed to do right?
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You get medicine.
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Yeah medicine.
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Is that the story?
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Cough medicine got it.
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I got caught.
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Okay good.
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I m a good parent.
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I should knock it out Yeah, and now it turns out.
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It s just a bunch of garbage.
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What is it Jamie?
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Do you find anything?
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This is what happens Joe yeah, this is well the pharmaceutical drug companies are like little trolls Yeah, but your fake study or hurt shits complicated.
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Yeah shit is definitely complicated, but there s also a lot of financial
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No, I know that s the issue.
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It s with all this stuff.
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It s like shit s complicated and people are corrupt and people try to thwart information and bad information rises and there s no it s just it s it s spider meme.
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Yeah.
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It s just everything s fucking incredibly complex.
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OJ was dead for about an hour before I saw people connecting to the vaccine.
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OJ was telling people to get vaccinated.
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Well, maybe, maybe, maybe this guy who murdered his fucking wife and her boyfriend, maybe he was wracked with guilt his entire life and lived in a constant state of anxiety.
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And everywhere he went, people yelled at him and called him a murderer.
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And maybe he didn t sleep good.
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Anybody, by the way, still made it to 76.
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Right, which is like, I think two years older than most people die.
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I think the average age is like 72, 74.
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Like, what s the average American male life expectancy, Jamie?
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It s either- Let s guess.
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I d say it s 72.
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I want to say 72.
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Well, black men is way lower.
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And fucking football players is probably 58.
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Right.
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Good point.
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Good point.
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Which is interesting, too, because one of the things that one of his attorneys said, that if CTE, the information was available today like it was in 94, they would have used that in his defense.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Which is kind of crazy.
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Then you d have to say it s guilty.
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Has he found more innocent?
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So 76 years.
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So he hit the number.
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OJ, good for you, Juice.
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OJ landed exactly on the average American number.
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Here s what I found.
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So the FDA press release says this.
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The FDA advisor declares ineffectiveness of widely used over-the-counter decongestant active ingredient.
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The active ingredient in decongestants was nothing.
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Popular over-the-counter medicines for colds and allergies don t work, FDA panel said, and that s Sudafed.
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What it really is, is it s like this ingredient in there.
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Sudafed, Benadryl, and most decongestants don t work.
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Wow.
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The over-the-counter antihistamine Benadryl is not being pulled from the pharmacy shelves.
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Misleading headlines, it says.
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despite miscellany headlines such as Sudafed, Benadryl, and most decongestants don t work.
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They re not being pulled from pharmacy shelves.
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The FDA Food and Drug Administration Advisory Committee voted 16-0 on Tuesday that current scientific data does not support the use of active ingredient phenylephrine.
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and over-the-counter products such as Benadryl, algae, plus decongestion.
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This does not, however, pertain to antihistamines such as Benadryl, which contain the active ingredient diphenhydramine.
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Yeah, this is already confused.
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You know what I mean?
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I m already like, wait, what?
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They re probably monkeying around with the stuff just to try to get it a little less scammy.
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Because it s a nasal decongestant.
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OK.
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Brand names of the medications include phenylephrine, such as Benadryl, have other products with distinct active ingredients.
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So there s one ingredient that doesn t work.
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OK.
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So maybe they do one.
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The FDA committee voted on the question of whether or not the evidence supported the use of the active
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How s that word?
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Moiety?
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Moiety?
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Moiety phenylephrine as an effective nasal decongestant.
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The panel concluded that products which include phenylephrine are not effective against nasal congestion, though they were not deemed unsafe.
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But they don t work.
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So that s parts of them work hmm one of the ingredients doesn t is is nothing, but it says but it says that That the products that include Phenylephrine are not effective against nasal congestion Though they were not deemed unsafe that still says it doesn t work right.
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Yeah, there might be other ingredients that do work your head
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But they might not work either.
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We ll have to wait and see.
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Though the FDA is not bound to the committee s recommendations, why should it be?
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It s only science.
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Very likely the agency will follow its advice.
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In turn, this may lead to pharmacies pulling products containing oral phenelphrene, at least until acceptably reformulated versions are offered.
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There are branded products that include names Sudafed and Benadryl that do work as nasal decongestants.
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They contain the active ingredient Pseudoephedrine.
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Pseudoephedrine.
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But because the dangerous illicit substance methamphetamine can be made in illegal laboratories with pseudoephedrine These products were placed behind the counter years ago in 2005 Congress passed the combat methamphetamine Epidemic Act which required pharmacies and other retail stores to maintain purchase law.
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You got to show your I remember I bought some of that stuff once and I was like what what do I have to do?
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Yeah, and they were like, yeah people can make meth with this.
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You re like, you know who I am.
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I m never gonna stop talking about that
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I m like, how much meth can you make off of one of these things?
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Is it enough?
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Like, how many of these things?
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Oh, yeah.
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They would go from pharmacy to pharmacy.
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And just get boxes and boxes of it.
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Dirt bags.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then cook it up.
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Just like, just fucking get a job.
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Wow.
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Duh.
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Also, just get Adderall.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They ll prescribe that to you.
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We re running short, Joe.
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Apparently we are, right?
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Yeah.
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We re running short on Adderall.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah, so, no, it s interesting to see, you know, you and people we ve known so long being held up as like, you know, when it s like, what was the thing you, Fitzsimmons helped you steal back a car radio or something?
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Hmm didn t Fitzsimmons when you were roommates you guys are you dated his roommate?
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Oh, yeah Yeah, I jumped a fence because my car got towed and they had my radio in it.
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I jumped a fence to get my radio So that s the joke being Fitzsimmons have it whenever there s a headline like White House concerned with Joe Rogan We re like I bet this is about the radio, right?
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Him jumping the fence to steal that car radio in 1990.
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Yeah, I forgot about that.
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Yeah Yeah, like like it s like what are you doing?
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I m gonna hop this fence.
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Yeah fucking radio.
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Yeah, and he helped he was he aided and abetted But it is like hey what who should I I don t know maybe you and Dave are as good as it I don t fucking know You know, I mean, you know, everybody should be able to discuss things Yeah, the problem is I can discuss things and millions of people here.
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That s the problem
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And do you ever yeah, that s what I guess.
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I m wondering like does it does it?
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Yeah, I think you re right to not pay attention But it does a party go like should I be paying more attention to this should I be more?
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I m concerned about being a news outlet or whatever the fuck I think I I am very careful about certain things and I m very careful that I At least now I know what I m talking about or I say I don t know what I m talking about Yeah, like be clear and then also
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You know if you know something and you don t say it and that thing can benefit people or they can inform their decision-making You should say it.
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It s important Especially if you know things if you absolutely know something to be a fact like say it and especially if you realize there s like immense pressure from these Financial institutions or you know pharmaceutical drug companies or whatever it is to not say that thing because it s gonna it s gonna
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Do you feel squeezed not squeezed, but do ever people ever do you ever feel people floating?
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Information you like mmm.
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Oh, I definitely Jimmy float that baby up I have conversations with people where I m like this person s feeding me bullshit.
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Yeah, definitely
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Yeah, it s like you have to learn how to navigate those waters.
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I definitely think people have probably been angled to come on this show to feed me bullshit, or feeding me bullshit once they get on the show.
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Yeah, definitely.
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And you have to kind of make a decision then.
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Do I even air this?
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Do I not air this?
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How do I dance around this?
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It seems like we should pause this and actually research it before we go any further, because I feel like I m being fucked with.
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yeah yeah yeah and it is it is there is it s the the new institution news media institutional news uh legacy media or whatever it s another one of those like 77 year old women who yeah still think they re fine it s like you can t fucking lie if you pretend you have a monopoly on the truth
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you know what you have to only say is the truth it can t be obviously there s biases whatever human biases everywhere and institutional biases but you some of these people are so lazy well it s just like you were saying with the 75 year old woman that still thinks she s hot like the news still
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thinks that people believe them.
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And I encountered that when they were saying that I was taking horse medication.
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You mean the horse medication that won the Nobel Prize as an anti-malarial?
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That one?
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Like four years ago?
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Four years before and now it s for horses?
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Well, everything s for horses.
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Well, yeah, everything s a horse medication if the horse is sick enough.
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Grass is fucking everything if a horse eats it.
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They re so dumb that they thought that they could do that, which is absolutely wild.
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But that just shows you the arrogance of those organizations.
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They re so full of shit and so captured by money that they re willing to lie.
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And not just lie, but lie with the same lie across multiple platforms.
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And they re doing it specifically because they re being told to do that.
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Yeah.
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And they re just hemorrhaging credibility.
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And they re for not like for what for nothing for one thing that is it s going to last for a year or so until people realize what the fuck is going on.
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And now you re doomed.
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And now everyone s going to go yeah.
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But they lied about that.
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What do they say about Iran.
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What do they say about Syria.
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What do they say about this nuclear energy.
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What do you say about pollution.
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Well what s funny is it is super it makes it complicates things.
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That is like what are they saying about Israel got like the Gaza and Israel feels like the It s like the most modern it in 20 years ago this would have been like open and shut
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20 years ago would have been 9-11 right they did this we re going in and anything we do is justifiable right and now it s they did this we re going in and They re going with the 77 year old former fine woman, and they re doing shit thinking that they can get away with it and now it s like ah
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Now everyone s watching, all the shit that slowly leaked and came out, Abu Ghraib, all the sort of severe violations, now it s all happening on the daily.
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And it makes things, it s so, everything s so complicated.
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It s so complicated.
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One of the interesting things about the Israel thing was that, you know, Hamas attacks on October 7th, and within days there s pro-Hamas rallies.
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So before Israel has even retaliated... Douglas Murray s talked about this a lot.
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That was the most insane.
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And I think that is one of those things where I am very inclined to think that that is fueled by foreign actors.
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I m very inclined to think that tick-tock algorithms and bots and yeah All these different things fed a lot of these like hyper woke kids into taking this contrarian stance Against the popular narrative that you know Israel was just attacked and said no Israel s an oppressor and look at the end of Palestine it justifies it and what else can they do and yeah, I
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What else can they do besides go door to door and rape and murder people?
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Is that really what we re saying?
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Yeah, like that you should cheer them.
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I know and that s and and then and then they Israel does shit all the time that you re like fucking don t do that.
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Exactly.
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And but at the same time like I m not
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Yeah, it s like imagine living there though imagine living either in Israel or Palestine and trying to find a solution to that good It s you once you you look it up once you start researching it.
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You just go fucking this is not I don t think I can figure this baby out This is a video game that you just toss the controller.
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Yeah
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I m not this this I don t even like this kind of game and I was reading today that there s this State Department s warning that Iran is Planning attacks on Israel.
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Yeah.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah.
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Oh my god.
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What are you doing?
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Yeah, and what do you have nukes?
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Do they have nukes yet?
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I know they ve been working on a nuclear program forever.
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What if they re the first person to use it and they use it on Jerusalem Jesus Christ, uh-huh
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Jesus Christ yeah, and but people think that they have they know what it should be and it s like do you get anxiety?
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Thinking about like world events ever Yeah, I I get it less so less so in that which we can talk about a little bit, but but less so just into my own personal development, but it s If I had kids
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Would really really worry about it, but I don t yeah, I don t I have I m involved with a woman who has a kid So it s like you know it s growing my my sort of paternalism, but
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Yeah, I don t I don t it s it s a it s pretty weird.
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This is a pretty rough time.
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It s a weird time It s a really weird time, but I think every time is a weird time like in the 1960s during the Vietnam War people were terrified of the future.
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Yeah, I remember during George Floyd Chris Rock goes This is every week in the 60s Martin Luther King and Malcolm X both got assassinated like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy.
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Uh-huh Yeah over a course of a few years
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Yeah, I think it s just we we develop societal amnesia And we try to remember the the past is some sort of a utopian time, you know But then if you like look at the documentaries about the weather underground and like there s always been like wild shit happening in this country Yeah, it s but it s also back then wild shit.
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You really only heard about through Large corporate media.
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I know that s the funny thing.
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It s now it s like we re getting
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You don t need to leak Abu Ghraib.
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You don t need to leak Gitmo photos.
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You know, it s all coming out that afternoon.
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Right.
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And then now there s the rise of independent journalism.
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You know, the Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, some people that you can actually trust.
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Michael Schellenberger, people that are on the street, and they re not attached to any large corporate media outlet.
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That s very important because now you get a if you re willing to do the work and willing to read what they re saying you get a much more balanced nuanced perspective on what the factors are and what all these different Contributing factors that are so hard to sort out with everything like if you try to pay attention to what s happening Brazil right now You re like, oh my god.
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What the fuck is
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If you try to pay attention to what s happening in any other foreign country.
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Anywhere.
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Anywhere.
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Literally like Canada.
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Shit that should be like, used to be like a gimme.
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Like, oh, Canada s fucking fine.
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And then you go like, what the fuck?
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Mexico, just go.
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Let s start at the top and go down.
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Finland, Denmark, Iceland, all of them.
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And then how is mass immigration, illegal immigration, ubiquitous?
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How is it everywhere in the world all at one point in time?
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How s like islands in Italy getting overrun with these African immigrants that are coming over on boats?
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Somebody made a really good observation, which is migration.
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It s been happening in all of human history.
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But not like this.
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Well, I don t know.
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Well, the statistics in the country, in this country, they re really easy to find.
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Yeah, but I m saying probably not relative to 17.
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They probably didn t have like great records until pretty recently.
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Well, they didn t have an open border policy until really recently.
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Yeah.
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It wasn t as easy to come across.
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You also weren t being incentivized.
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You weren t being given money.
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You weren t being given housing and shelter and much to the demise of the people that are poor that live there that are American citizens that are freaking the fuck out in these poor communities.
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And you also know that immigration helps the economy.
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Do you know what I mean like that s the thing it provides so it s good everything s fucking like yeah, but also So that s where I go.
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I don t know that s Tim Dillon s perspective.
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He thinks they re bringing in cheap labor Including like a town like our
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great-grandparents and great-great, like, it was just, they needed jobs.
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They needed jobs and there was, and then the reason, I don t, did you read the Cliff Nesteroff book about comedians getting canceled historically?
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No.
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You might want to have a monitor, it s really good.
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What is it called?
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Look it up, I read it like not long ago.
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K-L-I-P-H book, Nesteroff, N-E-S-T-R-O-F-F.
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What is K-L-I-P-H?
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That s his name, Cliff.
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Oh, Cliff.
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Yeah, Cliff Nesroff.
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Comedians, drunks, thieves, scoundrels?
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No, the outrageous History of Showbiz, that one.
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But the reason why so many Jewish people, Irish people, and blind people became comedians, it was just because they couldn t get jobs anywhere else.
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Lenny Bruce.
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Yeah.
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Yeah it is.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And like who why they get canceled who gets canceled.
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And it s been happening.
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Guys saying I can t say anything in 1938.
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Right.
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Like it s so it s like kind of a tale as old as time.
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Yeah.
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But but yeah like people came for for a job.
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Yeah.
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It s all of these things.
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You re right.
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And and it helps the economy.
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There s a meme that I found online that is it s so funny because it s from 1934.
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It s a cartoon from 1934.
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Basically saying exactly what everyone is worried about today both on the right and on the left.
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I m gonna send this to Jamie About the government.
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Mm-hmm.
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It s crazy because This is the same story.
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It s a hundred years later.
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It s the same story.
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Yeah
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Yeah, pull that up Yeah, it s like it s the same one is like Jews are subhuman and superhuman look at this plan for of action for u.s.
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Spend spend spend under the guise of recovery bust the government blame the capitalists for the failure junk the Constitution and declare a dictatorship cartoon appeared in the Chicago Tribune in 1934
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Yeah in that one.
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Yeah, the government is correct is a Like you know spying on you, and they re inept it says up there.
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It worked in Russia, so that s Stalin.
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I guess is writing that out Yeah, wild yeah, that s what it s wide, but I d read this time does feel pretty specific
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Especially grim yeah this period of history, but yeah the anxiety thing I m that s curious to me that I m not curious But I m interested in the in the fact that it does give you anxiety was does it give you anxiety for your is it?
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Humanity overall yes
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Yeah, it s humanity overall.
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I get it at night.
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I get it at night, because usually that s when I m high.
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Usually when I m writing, when I m high, I get real anxiety.
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Because usually also everyone else in my house is asleep.
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So it s just me, and it s late at night, and I m just doom scrolling, and I m writing, and I m just thinking about the future.
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And I genuinely get this fear of angst, like what happens if everything goes totally sideways, which has happened historically all over the world.
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With incredible regularity.
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Yeah, it s almost predictable.
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And there s always been instances where society was thrown into chaos.
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We have this very naive- Even the democracy thing.
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It s the same way when you look up, where is abortion legal?
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Where are they putting Florida in the water?
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Look up where there s democracy and how long it s been there.
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Super this is the oldest one guys, and it s not even three It s like this is a the oldest one then there s like France England like and there s not that many of them now And there s never been one like this and this one is only 300 years old.
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Yeah, which is a blip.
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Yeah nothing
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Yes relative to to and it really and it does it is that thing of like you have to foster it You got a you got a water it and you got a till the feet you got a vote you got to get ahead you got to Research you got to do all the shit, and it s but as we can both attest like It s worth it
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Yeah.
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Well, this is the greatest experiment in self-government the world s ever experienced.
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It s fascinating.
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It really is.
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And it s also because of this, this country has achieved so many amazing milestones creatively.
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Like how much music has come from America?
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I mean, how much of like popular music that the world hears?
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The airplane.
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Yeah.
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That s us.
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The internet the car the car the computer.
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Yeah, like these are not small things Stand-up comedy.
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Yes.
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Yeah stand-up comedy was invented here and it s done but best by people from here still to this day, correct?
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And that s just undeniable, you know, good luck.
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Good luck trying to England what we do.
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Yeah, it s just yeah, it s funny a few guys Ricky Gervais and But there s a lot more here
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Yeah, a whole lot more selling out arenas.
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Yeah, just talking good good comedians I think this is the best time for comedy that s ever existed.
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I really do I mean there s oh in terms of the amount of really good people who are throwing the ball very fast Yes, I couldn t agree more couldn t agree more.
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Yeah, like this is the time.
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This is the golden age of comedy Yeah, and you know Ari always says this that this is a great time for comedy because comedy is dangerous again.
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I
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Yeah, it s great.
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It s dangerous.
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Yeah, it s it is like like the you know the Red Fox You know after dark records But now it s more in weirdly now.
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It s more like Douglas Murray books and speeches Like the the contraband What do you I want to ask about the anxiety thing because when you
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Do you get, uh, do you worry about the safety of your loved ones?
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Yes.
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Do you worry about, like, your shit hits the fan plan?
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Because my plan is, hey, I ve done Joe Rogan.
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When people come up, I go, you may remember me from Joe Rogan.
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We re good, right?
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You mean with preppers the premise come for ya They re not gonna come for you the people that are gonna come for you the people that aren t preppers the people don t any food That s what s gonna.
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I don t have any either though.
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Yeah.
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Well.
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That s good.
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Hopefully you don t have any guns Hopefully don t everything very valuable that they could take do you think it s worth having a gun oh?
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Yes.
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Okay, so you re saying have a gun.
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It s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
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Yep.
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Always.
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Yeah.
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It doesn t hurt you to have a gun, especially if you re smart and you take care of it and you lock them up and you know how to use them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It s like, you know, one of the funniest things is people like, you should give up your AR-15.
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You don t need it.
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You should send it to Ukraine so they could fight the Russians.
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Like, okay.
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Do you see what you re saying?
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Like, they re literally fighting against an oppressive force.
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And if they re unarmed, you should arm them.
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Well, what happens if something like that happens here?
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And you re saying that it can t?
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Oh yeah, I mean, I did a joke in the last special.
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The idea that it can t happen here is crazy.
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The idea of like, taking it, there should be a, every year they should have a, guys who are like, hoarding weapons, thinking that they can take on the government.
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We should every year have an NRA military showdown.
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Where it s a hundred guys from the NRA versus like three guys from the military, and it s just, they re just gonna drone them.
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Right.
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But here s the thing.
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The guys from the military, the guys who sign up for the military are the guys who don t want to do that.
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Well, that s the thing, like turning them on Americans.
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So this is the big fear about immigration is that you re going to take these immigrants and you re going to indoctrinate them into the military.
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And they ll be willing to do things that United States citizens won t be willing to do because nobody wants to join the military anymore.
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Oh, you think that?
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Is that?
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That s a big fear amongst the heavy-duty conspiracy theorists.
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They re worried that they re going to conscript these people.
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Look, they re doing that in Russia, where they re saying, fight in the Ukraine war and we ll let you out of jail.
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So they re taking prisoners with life sentences and using them as cannon fodder.
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Heck of a movie, by the way.
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Yeah, and it s happening.
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I mean, they re they re literally using them.
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No, I know it s it s and it s real like some monsters monsters that they re letting out Yep monsters, and they re doing monstrous shit, too.
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I ve heard they re doing it to other Russian.
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They re just doing they re not these are not like rational people
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No, there s psychos.
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Yeah, like full-on psychos and psychos in Russia.
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That s another level.
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I gotta shut it down Yeah, a long history of violence Yeah, and and also loss like the loss that they experienced during the World War like people they always everyone talks about
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What happened with Israel what happened with the Jews what happened with the United States or our military Japan?
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Russia mm-hmm lost a lot of fucking people and if it wasn t for Russia we might not have even fought off the the Nazis I think it s I don t think that s any dispute there.
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Yeah, I think that s like That was like they they kind of kept their attention right yeah on the on the east
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And they are they have such a long history of conflict and loss and their willingness to Well, that s what somebody told me is like Putin s whole thing is just like we re a country where it s we re always at war.
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We always will be at war Let me lead us and he s a warrior Which is really scary when you got a guy who s a KGB guy that becomes the head of the country I mean again, it s the hammer thing
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You know all you have is a hammer.
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Yeah, he doesn t well.
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That s what some reason.
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It s like they don t have much industry also kills Yeah, anybody political opponents anybody s questioning him you get poisoned you get fucking drone bombed whatever Yeah, you don t even got to be in Russia.
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Yeah, they got a guy, and they popped a guy in Spain a few months ago Yeah, pop you everywhere.
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Yeah, you know isn t
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And we kind of do that too.
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I m sure we do that.
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I mean, the idea that we re innocent and that we don t have CIA assassins that go and whack dissidents.
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Okay, I ll take your logic.
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Can we still condemn what he does?
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It s hard.
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It s hard.
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First of all, what if he does it 10 times worse than us?
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You definitely can condemn what he s done in Ukraine.
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You can definitely can condemn.
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You can condemn bombing Kiev.
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You can definitely can.
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You can condemn a lot.
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You definitely can.
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But you also got to condemn the NATO for moving their fucking arms closer to the Russian border and crossing that boundary and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO, which has always been his red line.
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There s a lot of like really shifty international politics.
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I m of the mind that NATOs have never invaded anyone.
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So it s kind of like if they re, I get that they re trying to get like the point you made about trying to get people to move to Austin.
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They haven t been around that long.
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No, I know they haven t.
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But they definitely are involved in arming people.
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Yeah, I m with you.
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I just don t think they re an invasion.
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They re too disorganized.
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They need consensus from fucking however many countries are in NATO.
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I don t think and then who s gonna govern whatever whatever the idea is pushing arms closer to the borders of Russia to make an attack easier and quicker and all those things influence foreign policy and those things are dangerous they re yeah I m with you but I don t I like is it is he is NATO perfect no no but like what he s doing is just aggressive bullying like hey man we re trying to have a world where people can t do that
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Anymore, right?
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We re trying to get back because it breeds chaos.
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It s complicated like we we The United States was involved in the coup in 2014.
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We instigated it.
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We provided weapons and money We were a part of that and we there s there s been a lot of those throughout history.
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I mean we fuck around We what did we we googled it the other day how many countries the United States has military bases in it?
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Isn t it like 90?
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What was it again, Jamie?
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It s like the way America work was it s like we there s a moral framework Louie had a great joke about it where it s he was talking about himself.
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He s like I have all sorts of Ethics and standards.
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I don t I don t follow any of them, but I have them like I have standards for myself and America that the the game was that we would
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Look at this.
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There s 750 military bases in at least 80 countries.
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That s so crazy.
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The number maybe even higher is not all data is published by the Pentagon.
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Yeah, but Joe, Joe, we re American.
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It s good.
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This is better us than China.
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Well, that s what I mean.
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Yeah, it s better us than Russia.
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The game we always play was like, yeah, we do shit.
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You can t.
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Well, now everything s transparent or it s like significantly more transparent so and people have no Tolerance for hypocrisy right it used to just kind of be like side papers you go like America s kind of a fucking hypocritical and
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And now, because of social media, it s like, I gotcha!
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And it s like, yeah, fucking, we re hypocrites.
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Yeah, well, that always leads me back to that Smedley Butler paper that he wrote in 1933, which is War is a Racket.
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He was this famous military man who, upon retiring, reflected upon his career and said, like, the whole thing was a racket.
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I thought I was protecting people, I was protecting banks, and this is what war really is all about.
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And that still holds true today.
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Well, I mean, it s the military-industrial complex speech, kind of.
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Mm-hmm, exactly.
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Exactly.
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And, yeah, I think the agreement was corruption, but stability.
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Yeah.
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And now it s, corruption s been revealed, and now it s super unstable.
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Like now we can see all the corruption and shit feels real and you can t sleep.
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Yeah, what s better?
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I think the erosion of the confidence of the government in this country is dangerous Because people there s there s kids on the street that are saying, you know We want to overthrow the United States government and get rid of all the colonizers.
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Like what are you talking about?
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I know but that s if they but they could clip the fuck out of you and show a reason they should be suspicious of the government and
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I mean like I think whatever you the the the pharmaceutical companies or the NIH or the the White House is what you re Skeptical and the problem is I think there s not a problem, but like you re skeptical You know the limits of your skepticism, you know, I mean, where s everybody else just goes Limitless skepticism also, I don t trust anything.
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They re young.
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They just got out of college.
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They have no debt that well They have debt maybe but they don t have any life
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Their life has just begun and they want to throw this this country s corrupt.
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Let s just burn it all down.
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Yeah, and then do what?
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Yes, do you want to be sorry?
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Where you gonna go?
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Where you gonna go?
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There was a basketball coach in the who after the Celtics dynasty After you know, Larry Bird Robert Parrish all this stuff and then he was Rick Pitino was the coach and they sucked and he said to the press like Larry Bird ain t walking through that door
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And that s how it is with all these kids.
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It s like, there s no better leader.
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There s no, for the women, there s no better men.
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There s no like, this is it.
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We re gonna make do with this you want you want to help or not or you just want to mope and you want to and and also everyone s corrupt and You should be skeptical But you but to the point where it s like when does when does skip when does pure skepticism skepticism become?
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Chaos
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When can you not believe traffic lights?
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They get so frustrated and all they do want to burn it all down, but they don t have a solution.
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They don t have like a working solution of what happens once it gets burned down.
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What I worry about is I think the government is so inept and I think the confidence in the government is so low.
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that if something goes sideways, it s not gonna be like everybody waits for the government to tell us what to do.
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You re gonna have chaos in the streets, just like the George Floyd riots.
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You re just gonna have that all over the place.
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That s the real fear.
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People with nothing will revolt, and guns are everywhere, and it could get real sketchy.
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Yes, and then, or you go, it s chaos, it s 1968, 1969.
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Yeah.
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Now, and then you see cops beating up protesters, and you re like,
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All right, this is hard cuz I m for the protesters and you know, I need order.
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Yeah
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as a human being I would like it s the freedom and safety it s the it s the two sort of the two things that hang in the balance and I don t it s funny to hear you say that you get you get anxious at night based on this world because because
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It s always at night.
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Yeah.
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It s always at night when I m alone with my thoughts because I just realize all the things that could go sideways at any given time.
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One thing, one big thing, one big event.
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And it doesn t even have to be an attack.
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It could be a natural event.
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One natural event and we re fucked.
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One solar flare that takes out the grid, we re fucked.
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Yeah, and and even and to the George Floyd point, it s like they shouldn t have fucking killed the guy And people should people can protest police brutality That s all like the cops were wrong and how they handled that and the protesters we are
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Lot we it s part of our government.
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It s part of our society.
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It s part of our Constitution we can it s like like defund the police, and I m like no, but yeah now Yeah, you had me.
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We re not I fucking need cops.
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Yeah need them you and also, but and then all those polls of like Low-income people were like no we want cops
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So, it s the tyranny of the minority thing.
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Well, there s also the problem with the autopsy.
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The autopsy of George Floyd showed that he had lethal levels of fentanyl in his system, that he was going to die anyway.
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I heard they wasn t lethal.
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I mean, I ve I ve seen things where it wasn t the the the levels of fentanyl were days old and whatever It wasn t he that he had an enlarged heart he was suffering from all sorts of ailments like cardiovascular ailments and he did have a high level of fentanyl in a system that I think is in the lethal threshold and
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And then you have this high-stress event, being arrested, also being compressed.
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Someone s pressing down on your body, restricting your breathing, and you re panicking, you re freaking out.
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Very possible to have a heart attack there.
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Both things.
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So maybe by himself he wouldn t have had it.
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Right.
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So you re of the mind, maybe, that he had fentanyl in his system and it was not a great police procedure?
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It was 100% not great police procedure.
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Yeah, so 100% but also that guy had a history of abuse Yeah, no, but that s what I mean.
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So then people protest it s better It s like but the question is did he actually kill that guy was that guy dying?
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You know what I think?
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Let s see find out because I had read that
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When they did the initial autopsy, they didn t find that his death was because of constriction.
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It wasn t because of compressed arteries or any of that.
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You know what I fear happens a lot?
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This is a good example.
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Let s find out.
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Yeah, of course.
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you you re of the mind i m of the mind of like that was wrong yes and then you go yes but he did have fentanyl no i m of the mind that was wrong too that that s police brutality and abuse and probably not necessary like it wasn t like he was thrashing and trying to attack like you could have restrained that guy cuffed him and that would have been it
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Right, so my point it so it s not but he but he was on fentanyl.
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Let s say that was awful police work and he was on fentanyl Right, right.
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So let s say the police work was good and the guy wound up dying That s different.
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Yeah, right then you say oh he died of a fentanyl overdose But if you look at the way they handled them, it was humane.
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It was correct.
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I
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Yeah, now would there have been pro who knows now it s probably historically right that happens all the time What I worry though get arrested and they die of overdoses that happens.
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Yeah, but then you could use narcon you can do this Yeah, but sometimes they don t you know, there s like you ve read that where it s like sometimes they just go like fuck it They I ve saved this guy too many times
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You know what I mean?
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Like it s just cops being like, fuck, I m so sick of saving drug addicts all day.
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Right.
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Like people that don t even seem to want to live.
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So what I worry that s happening culturally.
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And I literally pick an issue, Israel, covid, George Floyd, whatever, is there s these contradictory, not even contradictory piece of information.
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It s not a simple narrative right so I think a lot of times people just declare a mistrial in their head they go Fuck it.
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I don t this is Somebody s lying.
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I m getting the fuck out of here.
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There is no.
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There s no justice There s just everything s everything s too gray whereas 30 40 years ago.
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It would have been They just killed a guy.
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I know there s no video and
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Well, there s there s there s like black and white like Kent State.
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Yeah, right.
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That s black and white one The National Guard comes in shoots protesters.
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Everybody s outraged.
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It s horrible.
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Yeah, there are but now it s Kent State happens today Maybe they actually one of there s a second video it becomes it s almost like the Kennedy assassination Everything s kind of the Kennedy assassination
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Where it is a lot of content and then people go fuck it I don t know what happened, and I think that s where not even sometimes Maybe it s nefarious actors and other times.
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It s just people who want to be contrary or whatever There s so much information And there s a limited bandwidth for people s attention span and time right in a day that they just go I don t know what fucking happened
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That s a big one, and that s that s the thing with boomers like you know RFK s talked about this a lot that boomers only pay attention to legacy media They really they they re not reading independent journals reports, and I don t you think it s less so though I
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Like meaning like it s a lot of Facebook links to sort of shifty websites.
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Some people now.
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Yeah.
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I think there s some some of that now.
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But I think there s still a lot of people that just put their faith in mainstream especially people that aren t online on a regular basis or they re only friends with people that are their age.
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And so they have this sort of like mentality the way they consume news and information.
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It s kind of always been the same way.
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Yeah.
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Like covid again.
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I m sorry to bring this up for the listeners and myself.
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But so there was the tachycardia thing and they put the the heart rate thing that was like people it was elevating people s heart like that was one of the main side effects right and they they acted like it wasn t much and then fairly recently there was like actually there was more than we thought
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Wonder but then I ve also heard from people that are skeptical was like it s a pretty good vaccine in terms of like lowering numbers of infections and But I think most people got the first wave of like you have to take this.
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This is a perfect vaccine and then they heard this thing of like it s not perfect and then they they got tired and
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Well, it s been lied to from the very beginning.
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First thing, they didn t even test it to see if it stops transmission, but yet they said it did.
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They didn t even test it to see if it stops you from being infected, but yet they said it does.
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All it does is impart some form of immunity that s specific to the wild virus, the first version.
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Yeah, and the way they studied it and the way they tested it is so fucking corrupt.
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Just the fact that they said that it s 100% effective against stopping death, do you know how they came up with that number?
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Two people in the control group got COVID and died.
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One person in the vaccine group got COVID and died.
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So that makes it 100% effective.
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When RFK told me that, I m like, there s no way that s it.
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And then we read the actual studies and like, oh my God, that actually is it.
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Yeah.
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And they re allowed to say that.
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Yeah.
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It s technically true.
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Technically true.
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Yeah.
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Technically, you can get away with a lot.
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But it s also like the VAERS system.
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I mean, the reporting of adverse effects is very underutilized.
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And so we all know people that have had bad side effects from the vaccine.
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And the question is, how many of them kept their mouth shut?
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How many of them are quiet?
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How many of them are suffering?
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How many of them, the doctors are unwilling to connect it to the vaccine?
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There s a lot.
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There s a lot.
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I know.
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I personally know more.
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Well, it s all fucking empirical.
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So who gives a shit?
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It s like, well, I happened.
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Who gives a shit?
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One person.
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But yeah, but I wonder what the way forward is.
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With any of this stuff because that thing of people just going fuck it.
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I declare a mistrial.
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Yeah, you just it That s probably not great for society.
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Did you find anything about George Floyd s toxicology?
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I mean, I ll just show you what I m fine.
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Okay, I believe this is the autopsy report.
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It shows that there was 11 like at nanograms per milliliter, right?
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Oh
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I have no idea if that s high or not.
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What s lethal?
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10 to 20.
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This is what Google says is lethal for humans.
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Lethal dose is 2.
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Recommend serum concentration is 1 to 20 nanograms per milliliter for anesthesia and 10 to 20 milligrams per liter.
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Blood concentration, what s that, Jimmy?
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It would be in the anesthesia range.
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than what he had in his system.
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So what s lethal?
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That s right here, lethal dose.
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Is 2 milligrams.
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So he had nanograms.
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So he had 11 nanograms, which is significantly lower than 2 milligrams.
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Is that what they re saying?
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That s what that says.
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He also had norafentanyl.
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It was 5.6 nanograms per milliliter.
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So did it say that he had a cocaine, caffeine?
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Caffeine.
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He had caffeine.
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What is it?
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Oh, not even cocaine.
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Cotinine.
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I was looking through it to find out what it says is the conclusion.
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11-hydroxy-delta-9, so he had bullshit THC in him.
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He had that fake THC.
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Right, I know, but that s what, you know, 15 years ago that would have been the lead story.
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Yeah negative for ethanol methanol isopropanol and acetone methamphetamine 19 nanograms per milliliter so he had a lot of shit in the system yeah but but but and so that s like but he doesn t deserve to die no he it may or may not have contributed to his death it s like shit that you can t prove but once that s in the air it creates this
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Sense of like we ll never know what happened and you re like no The video yeah, you know you see him saying I can t breathe.
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Yeah, I see the whole thing Yeah, and it s and what I just worry about this sort of haze of all this shit now of everything
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Does any study say that he had a lethal amount of fentanyl in the system?
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Why do people keep repeating that?
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All I was seeing in that was a bunch of people saying that and they were like, I know and that s and you re not you re not repeating it malevolently You just heard it repeatedly.
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You know what I mean?
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You re not you re not trying to make the guy look bad or whatever It s just but a lot of people are and I agree they made that document.
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Yeah, what documentary?
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There s a whole documentary about it then then that got debunked about George Floyd and what does the documentary say?
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All the fentanyl and all that stuff.
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That it would have killed him.
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Yeah.
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No evidence.
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Drug overdose was the main cause of death for George Floyd.
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So this is from what year?
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2022.
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So social media users make a claim that George Floyd killed, actually died from drug overdose.
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These claims are misleading.
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Official medical and court records rule the police restraint, not drug use, is the main cause of death and evidence to support the claim that George Floyd
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Lethal die low levels of drugs in a system one Twitter users Sharing the claim George Floyd died a fentanyl overdose Derek Chauvin should be freed Okay, but this is when they like one.
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No, this is one person But if they re if they re saying like it didn t whatever or can we trust the AP?
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Yeah, that s the thing
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Yeah, however no publicly available evidence supports the claim that Floyd died from overdosing on drugs specifically fentanyl or methamphetamine Rather than the actions of the cops.
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What s that?
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I d assume those are like Russian trolls just right, but Joe That s my point is like right what like this is the world now, right?
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You re not you re not you you are not predisposed to We but there is a thing of being predisposed to skepticism right right and it and it seems cooler than being some square-ass
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Right I take I m a sheeple, and I don t and what I m saying is like there s there s a Value in both you know what I mean, and like I don t know how to I don t know how to litigate it I don t know how to prescribe it to people I but but and I
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I also know that people have a limited amount of time.
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That s a giant factor.
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Yeah, and they got better shit to do.
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This is not their number one priority.
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And so I don t know what to, I truly don t know what, that s the kind of thing that would cause me anxiety.
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I mean, look, if you re looking for a new thing to be anxious about.
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But honestly, like, and the thing with you is like, because I ve known you so long, it s like, you re a decent, honest person.
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I will testify in court that any chance I ve seen you have to be decent and honest, you ve taken it.
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And there s still stuff that you think might be true because it s fucking floating around.
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And you re an intelligent, you seek information.
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But this one I haven t looked into.
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This one I ve just heard.
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That s why I brought it up.
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Because I wanted to know what the actual, I ve not read about it, honestly.
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I remember reading a headline saying that he had a lethal dose of fentanyl in the system and that people were arguing it.
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Yeah, and and but it still doesn t take away from the fact that the policing was immoral fucking awful Yeah, and and that s that s the thing that people have to deal with every day from the cops and also being a fucking cop It s a horrible.
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I know everything And it s the worst job on earth.
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It s one of the worst jobs.
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I can t it s a nightmare you re the professional enemy and Everyone you pull over is probably lying to you
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Yes, and and they and then they all train with like They re that everyone s wants to shoot them They kind of have to train that way like they have to like just gut just get home to your wife and kids Every then they show videos of like them getting ambushed and shit like which isn t false.
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It s like they do get ambushed It s not very up, but they can t worry about that.
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It s like we have to worry about hecklers pretty much every show
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Like like so they re all it s all these like very very complicated things Very complicated.
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Yeah, and I don t know I think that they re and and every every point of use that s a validity You know a lot of them do yes for sure and and then you have the foreign actors and you have the disinformation campaigns that are state run that we run that s for sure to
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Yeah, and we do it to other countries, but don t you fucking do it to us?
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We do it way worse.
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We actually go in and overthrow their governments and install puppet dictators.
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That s what we do.
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We ve been doing that forever.
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We run bullshit democracies.
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We ve caused liberty to become a failed state.
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We ve done a lot of wild shit.
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We still continue to do it right now with those 700 plus bases worldwide.
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We re involved in all kinds of shady things.
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And then there s also the obligation.
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If you re in the CIA or if you re- But shady shit that benefits you and me, Joe.
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Not that shady.
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It s patriotic.
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Shady shit that undermines legitimate dictators.
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What do you do?
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Just let these people develop nuclear arms and take over countries?
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No, you got to do things to stop despots.
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Know and that s the thing of now in the age of transparency and gotcha.
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You re a hit you re you are you re you re your government is Hugely hypocritical it s like yeah, yeah, yeah, it s a fucking government What do you think we could that we have to be it s one set of rules for us and another for everybody else?
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Yeah, sorry Why why that s why you re all trying to sneak in here.
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What gives you anxiety I?
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Well, I m with this because I come and give updates on my mental health.
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How are you doing?
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I m doing great.
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This is what I want to talk about.
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So so all the ayahuasca.
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set a really nice got me off antidepressants got me believing in God in a in a central creation force that s non not a gender whatever it s just a thing it s just a magnet basically it s a woman yeah yeah please wrong podcast yeah the and then I and then the DMT broke me
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Put me back together and after the DMT the 5meo that I smoked It was a year and a half of I thought it was eight months of chaos And then I did an ayahuasca ceremony a year and a half after I d smoked the DMT was the first time back and I felt the DMT door close and I was like it was open that whole fucking time.
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What do you mean by that?
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Okay, so DMT opened up my brain too much, a little too much.
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Open borders.
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I was experiencing too much of the universe.
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Believe like most of being a human being is just like this you you have we understand that we re a rock in space But it s just like my fucking house and my apartment and my car and my fucking the things that I understand my family that The DMT made it so I could experience like time a lot more I talked about a lesson where I had a hard time watching the screensaver on Apple TV
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The mountain ranges and shit I Was I got a sense I?
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understood how old they were In a way you re kind of not supposed to when you know when someone goes hey Can you believe the mountain the Rocky Mountains are?
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700,000 years old and you go yeah, that s crazy, but nothing nothing happens.
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I kind of understood How long a time that was I was like way out?
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I was way out and then I slowly kind of came back.
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It took about, it took a year and a half.
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And what was the, what was the negative aspects of being way out?
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Uh, it was, it was, uh, I told somebody I was aiming for God and I missed my stop.
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And I woke up on a, like a moving train with no conductor and going a million miles an hour.
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So it was because you were taking in too much information that you hadn t considered before so it became unmanageable the DMT Well, I had the Michael Pollan experience where the DMT took me back to took me to when I inhaled it I Went to before the Big Bang and Michael Pollan said it on here because I looked it up I was like, where have I heard and I was like, that s where I was and so I so I slowly I
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The issue was so the DMT was pretty much a DMT 25 minute 35 minute experience of like I was before the Big Bang and My personality started kind of came back, and I was kind of going like I m not gonna do that anymore I m not gonna be like petty.
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I m not gonna be I m gonna be like a virtuous person I m just gonna be like I m gonna remember this God connection and all that stuff and then a week later.
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I had a reactivation and
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Yeah, you know that thing of like there s a thing which people have DMT reactivations Where you flash?
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Yeah, basically what the joke of like an acid flashback I had that for and it s common with smoking DMT Yeah, and I had one so now I m it s a Sunday in New York I m on a coffee date with a woman in this side of my frame this side is fucking pure whiteness infinite time
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It was harrowing.
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So you saw it?
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It wasn t like a pure split screen, but it was like energetically kind of a split screen.
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Was it something that you thought and you felt in your mind or was it something you were experiencing visually?
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It was it was yeah, I shouldn t say that it was I couldn t see it see it, but it felt felt it Yeah, I felt and so I would say that I was split between reality current reality and then this infinity Sort of energetically and was it giving you anxiety?
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Yeah, oh, I was so disoriented.
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I had the thought like am I in God s imagination?
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Shit, that s not great to think when you re just in on a Sunday walking around in New York.
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Yeah, especially if you re on a date.
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I mean, come on.
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Yeah, you re just trying to make something happen and like pay attention.
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My friend of mine said, she goes, you just seem really preoccupied.
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Like yeah, I had a lot on my plate Did you watch that Hemingway documentary on PBS?
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No, it s mmm.
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I recommend it highly Ken Burns Hemingway black-and-white pushes and I m not even a Hemingway fan if there were some passages that are like Mmm, okay.
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This is amazing, but there s a part
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They showed maybe the Spanish Civil War.
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He went there.
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I think it s Spanish Civil War and there s a Passage from one of his books where he got shot.
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I believe and he said he explained it as like My spirit came out of my body like a ribbon and then came back in and I was watching with my friend I go.
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Hey, can we stop real quick?
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Because I was like in that world Like that day it would this was the reactivation day and I was like, yeah I need to not watch this because I m in that thing where my spirit can come back and it was like touch-and-go I think I made for this last time.
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I would have killed myself, but I knew I d be going into more of it So it was like real
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Difficult like real like on the edge of my a bit.
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Yeah, I would say I don t want to say I don t know what pre psychotic would be Like pre diabetic.
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I feel like I was like that pretty close now over time I got better every day and You know I got returned to norm, but I was more able to fall in love and
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More generous.
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I m funnier on stage.
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I get 15% more and bigger laughs.
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Like, because I m spiritual.
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And people notice it.
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Like, hey, what s different about you?
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On stage is better.
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This Netflix thing is like my best one because it s just like, I m lighter.
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I m just lighter.
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So that was hard to deal with, but after the year and a half passed, I m a better, it s easier to be me.
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It s easier to deal with me.
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Everything s improved.
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So then in the last year or so, every few months I do MDMA and like in a sort of, not necessarily a therapeutic environment, but like in a, with a spiritual bent.
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What s happened from the ayahuasca and the DMT is when I ve done mushrooms, it s ayahuasca.
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It s a God connection.
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Or what I perceive as a God connection.
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When I do MDMA now, it s a God connection.
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And I ve been able to, I believe I ve been able to change my, I don t want to say spirit, but I think synapses, whatever, however you want to like, you know, categorize it.
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Operating system.
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Yeah, basically you re it s like you get you are you are getting a new you get an update an OS update and You know the thing with updates on computers is the computer goes to sleep Sometimes you re awake For these updates you re like I ve literally done the joke on ayahuasca like is there any other system you have?
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Because this is little a little touch-and-go for me.
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I appreciate it, and I always get so much from it and
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the long term but in the short term the I did ayahuasca I don t know in November and there was a point where I went up to the shaman I go hey this is I m like a little close to God right now could you just give me like a nudge because it s very hard to comprehend honestly yeah it s as someone who s sort of experiment in this world like
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It s, you know, there are moments that are hard to comprehend.
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And it s a hard thing to communicate.
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It s interesting because I think overall you would say the benefit is worth it, but it s a slippery road.
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Yeah, well it s hard.
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It s very hard to do.
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And that s the thing, and we talked about this last time about sort of the mainstreaming of all this stuff.
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It s Pandora s box, man, because there s a lot of people, I m whatever I am, an intelligent person, an accomplished person, and I felt like I was pretty psychotic for a couple of days, and I would have killed myself if not.
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That would have been a significant.
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So you genuinely thought about killing yourself?
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Well, I didn t have a plan or anything, but I was like, this is unbearable, what I m in right now.
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We re like, I m on earth, am I in God s?
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What is this?
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What is any of this?
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What is steps?
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Walking down steps going, why is any of this?
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Why am I a person in a whatever?
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Got through it better.
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And then the MDMA, I ve been able to sort of, I don t know if you want to do software updates or whatever, but it s just made me more, I had one that was really great, which was I did MDMA and, uh, and I was able to, you know, I m kind of a grudge holder, Irish Catholic, et cetera, one of 10, you get it.
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And I,
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Was able to just forgive all of my grudges People easily easily like just easily.
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That s very valuable.
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Yeah, and so the next day I was like why was I so able to do that yesterday?
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but I was holding those grudges tight the day before and it s because
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My brain, on the MDMA I had oxytocin, dopamine, serotonin flowing through me, right?
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Love hormones, love chem, kindness chemicals, generosity chemicals.
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I was able to do it.
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Most of the time I realized I just have cortisol and adrenaline.
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And cortisol and adrenaline are organized and they re judicious.
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That s their currency is like justice, retribution, wrong, right, organize, organize, punishment, kind of like rigid, right?
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So I started thinking like, I ve been, what I consider a personality is just cortisol and adrenaline, or what I considered a personality.
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So I just realized like, I ve had a, I have a kitchen in my head that makes cortisol sandwiches.
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I m just like yeah, this is what I like to eat.
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No.
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I don t that s just what it s giving out so I I made a conscious effort to like ignore my First in like I now write like don t believe your chemicals
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Just don t believe them like like think beyond them and focus on The sort of the softer chemicals are the more positive ones, and I ve also been doing a thing that s been like wildly helpful Which is I?
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Was doing a gratitude checklist just a every day I would write like things I m grateful for and and also not anything I m grateful for the facts of my life and
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The facts of my life are really good.
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I have three Netflix specials now.
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How many people have that?
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I have X amount of money.
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I ve done great stuff.
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I have love in my life.
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I have a girlfriend.
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I have friends, family.
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I m respected, et cetera, et cetera.
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So I write it down to remember that I have all these great things.
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I am living my dream.
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Living a lot of people s dream.
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I m also especially living my dream and But you you re my brain was just writing like sci-fi and and of like this person fucking out to get you and they didn t just constant nonsense that was just purely based on chemicals, so what I found is
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The more I do, so then Rainn Wilson, the actor, suggested, we were talking about Islam, praying five times a day, and I was like, that s kind of the right amount, if we re honest.
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Right, if you want to really keep the software in tune.
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Yeah, if you want to just remember, like, hey, I m a vessel for a spirit, and da-da-da-da-da.
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So he goes, why don t you write in your gratitude checklist five times a day?
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I was like, fine.
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So I ve been doing it.
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I rarely get to five.
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It s at least two or three.
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every day every couple hours Just remembering like what the facts of my life are don t think it s also We have all human beings develop patterns of thinking and they these patterns get like deeply cut these grooves they re easy to fall into and
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This not trusting your chemicals is essentially like not allowing yourself to go down these patterns of thinking Yeah, there s a there s a saying that I ve read There s a book called the shallows about what social media does to us, but it was you are what you do repeatedly
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You are what you think repeatedly and we have We all wait at least I do and did for a long time wake up and like start the record and just the monologue that s happening in your head and It s gotten me out of it.
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There are days where I wake up and it doesn t start.
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I m like confused You know cuz I don t go instantly negative and I ve just it s made me see my life differently I ve like I went out of my way to view my life through
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The way truer lens I believe do you know I mean like it s true I am objectively all the all the attributes that I list and I m so fucking lucky You re so fucking lucky to get this experience You re so think about this the the the thing I would say to people is like spin the wheel and
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8 billion other outcomes of human beings alive right now.
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What are the odds you beat this
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one yeah this just like the Joe Rogan like literally the Joe Rogan experience what are the odds you beat it there s no fucking way think about think about your life it s impossible and I m not even talking about like the popularity all that stuff like that s part of it but think about like having an idea doing it in your in your whatever the basement or garage wherever we used to do the podcast and then it just becomes this what
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Think about, and I used to think that life, I would always tell myself, like, life s not fair.
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And then I finally one day had the thought, yeah, life s not fair, Neil.
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No one s life should be as good as yours.
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Like, I m so lucky.
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It s unbelievable.
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It s unbelievable.
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I m like getting choked up talking about it.
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It s impossible.
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And I would argue that most people that hear it, hear this, are in the same position.
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But yet, there s this inclination to focus on negatives, this inclination to focus on anxiety.
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I think it s evolutionary.
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I think it is.
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I think we re trained to scan for threats.
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Yep, I agree.
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And I write in my journal, or my checklist, because I want to masculinize it, every threat s a gift.
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Wait a minute, is a checklist more masculine than a journal?
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Yeah, than a journal, yeah.
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I believe it is.
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Really?
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Checklist, because you have to make sure everything s good and the women and children are safe.
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But a diary is feminine.
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Oh, dear diary.
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I m going to punch you in the face.
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Yeah.
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And I write almost every day.
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No threats, only gifts.
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Everything I thought was a threat is just a gift over a longer timeline.
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And you ve managed to do this without falling into a cult.
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Yeah I don t think not one that not one that I know of I m not paying dues anywhere I haven t it s just literally keeping it s uh it s like an emotional discipline in a weird way it s like it s the same way like working out every day
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Well, me being your friend and knowing you for so many years, I mean, I guess I didn t know you well when I first met you.
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We only knew each other because we worked in the same place at Boston Comedy.
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You were a door guy and I was just a young comedian and we just became friends.
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I didn t know you well, but you were always nice to me.
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We were always cool.
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But you were always, you had like this tension.
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Yeah.
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And I always felt like I had to hug you.
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Like even when I saw you when you were doing Chappelle, when I saw him, I was like, this is amazing.
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Look at you.
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Are you happy?
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Let me give you a hug.
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You don t get it.
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No, really.
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Really.
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I was just looking at it all wrong.
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Right.
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But you were doing well.
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And I always felt like you, it was, and sometimes when you have this me against the world thing, well, it really becomes you against the world because other people feel that too.
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And then they don t want to connect with you.
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They don t trust you.
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Well, I m in the world, so me against you?
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They don t trust their emotions to just be relaxed around you.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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So there s a tension and a conflict there.
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And it s like, you re, you re definitely different now.
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And you were different the last time I talked to you and you feel maybe even more different now.
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Yeah, it s but that s right on schedule for what what what I did what happened what?
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Unfolded if you want to get super super, but it s like even that thing of like you know when I met you 1991-92 pause Right and then flash forward to this yeah
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I don t know, man.
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This shit worked out real good.
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It worked out great.
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It did.
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But it s hard to see that when you re in the moment, especially when you re caught up in your own thoughts.
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Well, yeah, and you re caught up in like, I m late, or this, this is, coffee s too hot, or like this grievance litany of like, you re supposed, that you think you re supposed to do it.
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Right, right.
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Or it s like, even in the age of social media and content, like, you re gloating by saying your life s great.
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Right, right.
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There s that too.
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Well, a lot of people don t have a good life.
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Well, a lot of people do.
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But what have you done?
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What have you done to try to mitigate that shitty life?
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Are you doing a checklist?
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Have you actively moved towards a more positive way?
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And how do you treat people around you?
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And but with you it s like I would check in on you every now And then we would talk about different things that you were doing like remember one of the first ones you were doing was the ketamine stuff Mm-hmm, and I was like that is wild, but I always felt so bad for you I was like God this guy s just struggling with depression and anxiety, and I don t understand it.
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You know it s it The chemical stuff ketamine didn t help the first time it.
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I did it two months ago, and it was pretty great but
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Yeah, I mean that s the thing is it s hard to know what s gonna do what and that s with any much as exercise help you
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Do I have a trainer etc, but like I don t I can t I I don t I have too many inputs I don t know what s doing what do you know what I mean like I don t know what s like.
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Oh, that s definitely the other thing of like the the validation of a successful comedy launch Yeah, yeah, I ve had a lot of friends were depressed and their career started doing better and this Stop
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I know it s embarrassing.
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Yeah, but but I would it s not really I know it really like the anxiety of Entertainment is first of all, there s no clear pattern like go to school get a degree get your PhD do this do that There s not a clear path and you never know if you re going to work out and how many guys have we known?
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Especially us like who knew people back in the day that were talented.
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Yeah, we thought we re going to make it yeah did not and more talented than us and
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And we re better at the time than we are.
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And you go, God, how did they not make it?
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Yeah.
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And that s the thing.
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Even when you say, are you moving toward, are you doing anything to improve your lot in life?
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It s like a lot of people try.
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Right.
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And it doesn t work.
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It doesn t work.
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Yeah.
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And then you go, you know, why did it work for you?
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Why did it work for me?
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I can take some credit for effort.
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I can t really take credit for talent.
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Shit, but just came out.
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I don t know.
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I fucking been funny since I was fucking five Do you know I mean like I ve just kind of been myself that so I guess I cultivated and I didn t and I was brave I made brave choices.
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It s incredibly fortunate in a time where Some comedians have deals with Spotify worth hundreds of millions of dollars like in a time where you can make a ton of money as a comedian and
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Or or you know it s like I always think this about athletes.
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I m sure you have to like a hundred years ago None of the guys none of the you know hundred millionaire athletes are fucking they re all just like good farmers.
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Yeah One of the best farmers in the area Yeah, you weren t getting an endorsement deal.
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It s just like yeah, yeah, so so we re really lucky We re just lucky in so many ways, but I think
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The whenever I tell people that I was like, yeah, but you re good too.
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I m like so what I yes, but I don t I can t credit for that Yeah, and it s also like everyone s formula for success is different.
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No one can take your formula and just plug it into their life It s like but you have different circumstances.
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You have different hormones.
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You have different everything different life experiences different goals and needs and aspirations different interests, you know
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Different mentality.
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It s like it doesn t work that way.
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It s like everyone has to find whatever the formula is But there s certain things that seem to be They seem to exist and gratitude is a big one.
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That s such a hippie Unfortunately a co-opted word.
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Yeah, you talked about Chris Williamson.
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I think right you guys started and it is it really is like
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Oprah fied Hallmark if I d yeah, but but real yeah, man.
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Yeah, I think it s just a better way to look It s just a better way to look and but we re sort of trained to make it like no you did it cuz you ground you Grinded and rose when no one else was there all your enemies were asleep, and you were doing current whatever yeah Yes, that s true, too.
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That s it also.
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Yes.
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It is true, but like I said a lot of people do that doesn t work and
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Yeah, they can t they don t they freeze up when the mic comes in whatever they just whatever it is.
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Yeah, there are you and I both worked hard and are fucking fortunate be I mean I had the thought I
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I m so fortunate, there s nothing I can do to compensate for this, this level of fortune.
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Meaning like there s no level of volunteer work.
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I could volunteer the rest of my life.
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But you know what you do do?
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You live a life by example.
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And then this conversation is so insanely valuable because there s going to be millions of people that hear you talk and say these things.
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And those people, many of them are going to get in their mind that there s a pathway out of this.
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Maybe I can t take Neil Brennan s pathway, but there s a pathway out of this.
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And here s a guy that was like deep dark.
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Like I remember running into you in the hallway one time at the comedy store and you just had this look on your face like the fucking the weight of the world was on your shoulders and
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When I would say hi to you, whenever I d say hi to you, I would always almost feel like I gotta give this guy a hug.
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I really felt that way.
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Like, I want to give you a hug.
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Like, I m a happy person.
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Let me give you a hug, see if some of this shit wears off on you.
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But you weren t, you know, you weren t you now.
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You re a different guy now.
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And just by people knowing that
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even though it doesn t feel like it while it s happening.
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Every time someone s in the middle of some shit, whatever it is, a breakup, you get fired, whatever it is, when you re in the middle of some shit, man, it doesn t feel like it s ever gonna change.
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It feels like this is life from now on and it s unbearable and I m fucked.
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And when people hear a guy like you, who s not only made it out of there, but made like real measurable success, like it s quantifiable, you can see it, it s undeniable, they go, well, maybe I can do it too.
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Yeah, I hope so.
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They can.
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It s not easy.
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It s scary.
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But what the fuck is easy?
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You tell me something that s worth doing that s easy.
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What the fuck is easy?
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I don t even like that word.
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I hate that word.
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It s just a dumb word, easy.
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Easy s not in the menu.
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It s not, but valuable, worthwhile.
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Significant, effective.
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I think that, yeah, exactly.
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But that s the thing that happens is because it s not,
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Was gonna say like the easy pass like literally on the freeway like that s easy, but even that you got a fucking slowdown It s nothing higher iron someone left on the road.
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Yeah, like it s not but but it s it s
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it s it is like you said it s worthwhile if it s difficult everything s difficult and that s the thing that you we can fall into this thing of like it s you had to draw you had to take a fucking shower and shave and find a shirt and just it s not uh effortless but that s part of life and you can t get hung up on the sort of the uh upkeep part of it
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Well, my strategy for that is to self-administer things that are far more difficult than anything that I m going to experience in my day.
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And that s what I do with workouts.
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Workouts for me, it s not just a physical thing.
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It s a mental thing as much as, if not more, than it s a physical thing.
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Because I don t want to do it.
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I still don t want to do it.
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Sometimes I want to do it, but most times I don t.
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But I still do it.
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And is it, do you have consciously think like, I don t want to do this chore for my wife or whatever, and then go, but you just, you just sat in a fucking freezing cold water for 20 minutes.
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You can do it buddy.
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Or is it just embodied?
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I ve done so many difficult things that I m just comfortable doing difficult things.
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And I know those whispers, don t do it.
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Take the day off, take a nap, do this, do that.
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I know how to avoid those, but I know how to avoid those just because that s the path that I ve carved in my head.
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So my pattern of behavior is always gravitate towards difficult things and just do it You don t want to do and ignore those thoughts and if I can make them so difficult that regular life is easy like if you can fucking Do a cold plunge do 10 rounds in the bag and then do 20 minutes and 195 degrees in a sauna like the rest of the day Yeah
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It s gotta be.
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Those rounds 7, 8, 9, and 10 are so fucking hard.
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You re drenched with sweat.
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You look over the timer, five more seconds to rest before the bell goes off.
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If you could just get through that, man, regular life is easier because it s not that hard.
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You couldn t sustain it.
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If regular life for me was like round 7 or round 8 forever,
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I wouldn t want to do that.
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I think for a lot of people, you know, they got to take the bus to work.
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That is round seven.
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Like there are just people that have a higher level of difficulty.
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Sure.
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Existence.
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I ve had those higher level of difficulty in my life.
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And that s one thing I m very fortunate for being growing up poor, I think is very valuable.
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And it s something I can t give my kids.
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And I think about that.
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I really do.
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Because they don t understand the fear of not having food.
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They don t understand like your parents are on welfare and you know that you re eating from food stamps It s like that fear that that drive like there s no one coming to save you You better go get things done and you have to do it for yourself And if you don t still believe that there s a camp then you could start poverty camp for you for rich kids for rich kids and
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You d be faking it, though.
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They always know that you re going to be there to rescue them.
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That s part of the problem.
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And one of the things that I think can mitigate that is them choosing difficult paths, difficult things to do.
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But it ll definitely not be as difficult as a poor person.
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Yeah.
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And you got out of it.
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And now you re doing pretty good.
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So I just think it s important that
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It s important for me to remember.
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I can t prescribe like gratitude.
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I ll do it good I don t know, but that s a thing that really helped me I ve and plus ketamine transcranial my next simulation Solov DMT ayahuasca mushrooms a MDMA tried a lot of things I ve tried a lot of stuff and and I m and I m and I m even fortunate to have added access to a lot of this stuff but yeah, but the and acknowledging that but this thing of
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hard work doesn t isn t always adequate you know it s like it s not enough but it s something it s yeah it s all you can control yeah that s what i right it s like i can t i may i can t be i ll never be grateful enough to for this but i can work hard and i can be focused
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The stuff that is and what what s important to me and hopefully it ends up being valuable to people, but like I can t I just I I don t I I m I m people would always go like you re doing so well and didn t I d be like you don t like you said I d be like you don t fucking understand stupid this stupid sketch shows never going anywhere and then and then all these things you look back and you re like I
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I should have been so happy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And, and, and, uh, or I could have been so happy.
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You know what I mean?
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It s an opportunity.
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I think you talking about this is very valuable.
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Yeah, I really do.
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I m glad.
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I m glad you re happy.
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And it s also the thing of like, I was going in the, I know you re doing a nice wrap up and you ll have to restart it.
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Um, the thing of like some days I,
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I d be like I like we all feel stuck in our existence you know and instead of I ve I ve I ve and again it s so corny but sometimes I write in my journal I get to be Neil Brennan not I have to be right I get to be Neil Brennan right
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And that s you get to be a father you get to be a whatever all the things that are like great Yeah, you re it s not It s not it s not a threat.
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It s a gift Elon posted something today about or as yesterday that anxiety is essentially conspiracy theories that you make against yourself and
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That s I literally had that same I don t I don t like I thought about it with you and Dave where it s like I don t have I only have conspiracy theories about about why people don t like me Well, I like you.
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Thank you, buddy.
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I like you too.
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Thank you.
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All right, let s wrap this up Thank you for being here appreciate you and I really do think what you re saying is very valuable to people and I haven t seen your specialty yet, but I m sure it s awesome.
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You re hilarious
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Crazy good, Neil Brennan.
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When are you flying out?
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Number, it s number, it was number four on the list.
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When are you flying back?
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Tonight.
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Tonight?
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Yeah, I was gonna come to the club.
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Damn, I want you to come.
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I know, I know.
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Alright, another time.
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Yeah.
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Thank you brother, appreciate you.
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Bye everybody.