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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight?
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No, not really.
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I mean, we try to go up early, that s why.
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So the first two days is whatever, but then after that, we re all good.
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Where s the furthest that you had to fly to to fight?
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I think so, Abu Dhabi, fight island.
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So how long does that take to adjust?
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Brother, that one was weird, because then you remember they had us fighting at weird times?
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So we had to sleep during the day and then train during the night.
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I remember going to sleep around 8 or 9 o clock AM.
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Whoa.
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Yeah, because we was fighting around that time, early in the morning.
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So that was insane.
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So you had to get your body acclimated to that.
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Acclimated, yep.
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That s gotta play a factor, right?
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Like if you live in Abu Dhabi, that would be a big advantage.
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Oh, for sure, for sure.
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I mean, did you not just see the July card that got announced in UK?
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3 a.m., brother.
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Yeah, that s crazy.
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Is the main card start.
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So they re saying whoever s main headline is fighting at 6 a.m.
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That s crazy.
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That s insane.
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You know how drunk that audience is gonna be Great I saw you know this funny.
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I saw a clip I saw a clip a meme of a video of like a UK fan He s like living in the UK.
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He was like he watched our fight our fight.
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Just got done mines and Justin He played our clip, and then he was like great now.
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I can start my morning.
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He opened the door.
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It s light out and stuff I m like holy shit
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Yeah, they have to deal with different.
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I mean, it s funny the American pay-per-view time schedule just trumps everything.
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Oh, yeah, I mean Crazy, I guess we re the ones who buy it the most I got I wonder what the numbers are and the rest of the world
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I think UK is UK is another hotspot right in UK big mm-hmm They some there are some fight fans to be yeah doing that every and you know once a month They re planning a pit.
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There s a pay-per-view card, and they re like look honey 3 a.m.. I m probably gonna be screaming, so please don t you know don t divorce me, so it s pretty awesome Yeah, you just got to get one tolerant wife and never everybody go over that house.
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Oh
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Yeah, I d be like, hey guys, or you get the single friend, you know, you know, one of the guys that he s just single, you know, nothing going on.
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He s like, yeah, you come to my house.
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Yeah, that s perfect.
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So what has it been like for you after 300?
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I mean, it seems like I think for whatever reason,
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People go through phases of their career.
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And with some fighters, if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter has started to decline.
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And with you, I think some people had written you off for some strange reason.
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Brother.
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I don t get it.
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I heard it.
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I heard the noise.
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I m like, listen, he s only 32, right?
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32, right?
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He s only 32.
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Athletic prime.
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I m like there s not no beatings.
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There s no knockouts.
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There s no like there s no decline in the Expression of skills inside the octagon everything looks the same and better every fight You know what the problem is the problem is that I got these guys got to see me grow up You know I got in the UFC when I was 20 20 years old and a lot of people think I m DC s old ass and
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Like 42 years old or something, you know, I mean and then I m like brother.
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I m not DC I ve been calling out DC, but I m a young guy, you know, just because I ve been harassing His potato looking butt like come on bag of potato looking ass.
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I m gonna together hilarious He s the best
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Lot of guys just think I m old because I ve been fighting since I was 20 and then and it wasn t and it s not like I ve been fighting 20 I ve been fighting since I was 20 and I fought a who s who in in in my Division, you know Since you were 20 years old just past teenager.
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Yeah, so like especially with the you know with the Vogue fights, you know, it s like I
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The first two fights was alright, and the third fight is what made everybody go, oh, he s done for.
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I m like, brother, that was just Vogue s night.
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He was on, you know what I mean?
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It is what it is.
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Everybody s like, oh, yeah, look.
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Look at Max.
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Vogue just did this, and now they re doing MMA math, because Ilya did that to Vogue.
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Even with Ilya doing MMA math, I beat a guy that beat you three times.
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I m like, brother, this is not how it works.
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I lost to Dustin.
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Dustin just got knocked out from Justin.
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And now what?
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Now can I say I beat Dustin now?
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No.
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Yeah, you know styles make fight, so it s also did look what happens in camp What what kind of condition are you coming into the fight in did you are you fighting injured?
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How did I yeah?
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Did you just fight Islam Makachev and get head kick?
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I mean, that s a big factor man brother.
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That was crazy You know a lot of people was giving me a shit when cuz there s some talked about our fight about me and Justin saying it was useless fight or whatever and I m like
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Bro, like if you took the fight in February when like you should have cuz you came out clean I think so Justin would have would have fought you you know But like how the hell is someone that you just knocked like that was a scary knockout brother like that was a scary Knockout ass knock on and that guy turning around in couple months like bro.
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You know you supposed to get hit for that long, right?
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And then now you re doing a camp even if you re okay say you do a camp you don t support our camp, right?
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But then you stick training hard or whatever and like maybe you just accidentally fall over bump your head on something You know or like you re scratching your head, you know, or you re screaming or something because you re stressing out, you know I m like, I don t know what could happen but
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Well, yeah, you have to have a long time.
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Yeah, I mean look at look at Justin I just saw Justin finally doing interviews out this fight, and he just said like I m not doing nothing for six months Mm-hmm like nothing, and I m like bro.
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That s smart.
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You know Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao Freddie Roach made him wait a year one year one year That s crazy, so you got to really heal up.
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That was a bad knockout.
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Oh
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Bro, you only got I remember what it was it was you that talked about it like that talked about our brain This is like a long time ago when you re talking about the cotton candy thing in your brain And how it s a how once that disappear you don t that shit don t grow back right exactly
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And I remember watching that was a long time.
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I didn t know how many years that was that was ago and That really meant a lot and everybody keep telling me like oh max you get hit so much and blah blah this and that I m like yeah, okay in the fight You might see me get hit, but I m not I m not I m not sparring.
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You know like I m not sparring I m being smart this Justin Gaethje one brother.
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I was going to the gates of hell we had to bring back sparring
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Yeah, I mean like I was I was ready to be a crash dummy against we I told my coaches look This is a man that is very dangerous We need to get in we need to get it in the thick of it and get it done So we bring back sparring for this one, but it still wasn t very wise.
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It still wasn t crazy You know it wasn t crazy like we had a hard days out far outside of camp like outside of camp and it was fun and then we kind of toned it out, but
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Getting ready for Justin get you had to but then with with your brain out you need to protect your brain You know I mean like there s so much movies like on concussions and the movie concussion and and we have so much
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What is it?
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Information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and help the brain out.
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So why not use that?
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You know, a lot of people call me crazy.
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A lot of people, I keep hearing the talk about his chain gotta go this time.
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His chain, like when the hell is my chain?
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My chain was supposed to go the last 20 fights.
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You know what I mean?
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What are you guys talking about, you know?
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Yeah, it s ridiculous.
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Someone either has a good chin or they don t have a good chin.
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But you re not getting hit clean a lot.
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One of the things that you do a lot is you roll with shots.
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You re very good at rolling with shots.
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When you re getting hit, you re getting hit and I see you turning your face.
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I see you taking some steam off of a lot of shots.
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And your style is so, it s a fun style to watch, but it s also a nightmare to deal with.
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You re switching stances, you re constantly cutting angles.
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Like the volume that you put on Justin, like when Justin was having a hard time catching to you, it was very evident early on that you were on it.
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But it was one of those fights where it s like, damn, Justin with one punch can fuck people up.
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And it s just like avoiding that one punch.
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And then when you start tuning him up, then he dropped you.
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He dropped you in what round was that?
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Third or fourth round, I forget.
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It didn t count as a drop, which is crazy.
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It didn t count?
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No, it didn t.
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ESPN is posting it saying however many fights I m with the UFC, I stay there and get dropped.
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I m like, that s some bullshit, you know what I mean?
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Get Justin down with you, I ll take it, you know what I mean?
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But I m not, I ll be a man to sit here and be, I wouldn t be a man sitting here and telling you that it did.
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Bro, he, bro, all I remember getting hit by that punch and then like I sat and then I came back up, I was like,
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What the fuck did he just hit me with?
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You know what I mean?
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I was like, holy shit!
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I was like, that was a good punch.
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And then when I rewatched it, he hit me like right on the top of my dome.
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I was like, holy smack, brother.
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This guy smacks.
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And then I was fine as soon as I got up.
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It was one of those like, boom, you know, like the legs just give out, the legs just give out.
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Like I was stood there, even when I was standing, I was looking at him, but that, I don t know how that didn t count as a drop, but I don t know what they count as a drop because- That has to count.
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Yeah, that was crazy.
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No, that s 100% a knockout.
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Somebody just made a mistake, but like did you ever see Ilya Teporia when he fought Jai Herbert?
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Yeah?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, I saw that I saw that I was funny I d never saw the fight but then when people was uh when he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying and he was he said something about Dropping me or killing me, and then I see the comments of him getting that that hit that left high kick getting dropped So I was like oh yeah, I didn t see the fight, but I saw that part happened
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It was an amazing comeback, because he knocked him out in the second round.
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But man, he could take a shot, because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side, right shin to the chin, just perfect.
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I mean, it was just whack.
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And then his whole body just goes out.
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And then he grabbed ahold of his thing.
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Check this out.
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Watch this.
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Boom!
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I mean, dude, watch the head snap back.
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Look at the head snap back.
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I mean, that is just shin to the chin.
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That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick.
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But he grabbed a hold of him, and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round, and actually was winning the rest of the round.
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But that was early, too.
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Look, four minutes.
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Did a lot of wrestling.
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Did a lot of wrestling.
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He s a very complete fighter.
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Very complete.
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Yeah, he s very good, bro.
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He s very good.
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Very good.
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And his fucking boxing, man.
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His boxing is terrifying.
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I was shocked that Volk wanted to take that fight so quickly after the Makachev fight.
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And if I was his friend, I would have not recommended that.
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But I don t know if you could talk to him.
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I mean, he s a champion.
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He s him, you know?
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Yeah, dudes like that is like, mate, we can do it, mate.
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We re going to go to war.
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He s a fucking animal.
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He s an animal, by the way.
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He s an animal.
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But the human body,
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It s a the vulnerabilities of the human body are real despite the spirit of the man.
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Yeah Damage no matter your spirit.
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Yeah, you still have something your brain your muscles hurting So it s going to only protect itself when you feel something when there s a warning sign going off like oh man warning did it shut off because it s like look I m gonna save me from myself
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That s what Conor fought Dustin the last time he had a broken shin.
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Yeah.
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He s his leg was broken right?
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He had a fracture going into that fight and he knew it and the body s gonna Your body s gonna give up, you know, no matter how strong the will is think about like what that cost him and
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A lot.
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Two years.
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Two years.
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Two years.
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And who knows where he could have been if he hadn t taken that fight and he left.
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Look, it s only eight weeks.
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Yeah.
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You got a stress fracture like that?
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It s like eight weeks and it s healed, right?
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Because it s not all the way through.
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That s crazy.
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It could have healed it and then you know and you assume Did they move mountains for that man?
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So why not?
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I don t know if they knew it was a fracture though It definitely was but they I think they had done MRIs on it.
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It was inconclusive Turned out.
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Oh, but it was badly hurt.
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Yeah, you know, you ve had bone bruises Yeah, you like I don t know if this is broken.
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You got to get it looked at.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, they suck.
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I
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No, they hurt, bro.
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They hurt.
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How was your left shin?
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Brother, my left shin, it s alright now, but they hurt, bro.
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That s what I was about to talk about.
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Bro, this guy kick hard as shit.
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Yeah.
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And his bones, I don t know what it was made out of, bro.
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I think it was titanium.
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Like, I like to say my chin is made out of vibranium, brother.
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He had a vibranium leg, bro.
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I was like, he went to Wakanda too, I was thinking to myself, like, how?
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I thought, I don t even got to go to Wakanda.
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I guess he went too, you know?
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But at the end of the day, bro, it hurt.
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My shin still bruised.
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It feels good.
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I move it, whatever.
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It was stiff after the fight.
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In there, a lot of people always, I always hear you talk about it in there and be like, oh yeah, it hurts.
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I don t really feel it.
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I don t pay too much mind to it in the fight.
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I can feel when he hits it and it s like, oh, I m telling myself that s going to hurt later.
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But you got 25 minutes.
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We got to stay in here.
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It s what s interesting is it doesn t seem to compromise your movement that much it depends entirely upon the person like some people get calf kick once real hard And it swells up and you see immediately they re walking fucked up, and they re trying to switch Southpaw Yeah, they re trying to switch dances, but you don t seem to have as much of a problem with it
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Yeah, it wasn t really a problem.
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I know it hurts.
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I know it s gonna be hurt after the fight But then even that like switching stances the most craziest thing to me Wow well after getting like completely landed nicely there because if I switch stance he screwed up two of my legs What I m gonna do, crawl over to him?
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You know, I mean I rather be I rather have one leg than two legs messed up, you know, so I think that s you I think you re particularly durable because some guys like you ve seen what happens with Pahita He takes brother a couple of times in that leg and that legs fucked up man messed up everybody even Jan Bohovic
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Who s made out of rocks?
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Yeah, yon s like his bones are made out of stone remember when he was going with uncle I have he went shin to shin with him Yeah, he was just cracking shins with him and fucking his leg up.
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Yeah, and then a guy like bro Did you see the picture of me and Alex Alex?
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Yeah, did you guys see the picture of me and Alex they face swapped them?
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No, they put my face on Alex for her to look it up brother.
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He look like Thanos, bro.
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Oh
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And Money Moicano, bro.
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Money Moicano s like, yeah, fuck this guy.
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You know Money Moicano s like, yeah, fuck that guy, bro.
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You gotta kill that man.
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Money Moicano s the funniest guy, bro.
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I love that guy.
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He s so funny, man.
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He s so funny.
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I saw on Twitter, he was like, yeah, people asking me to fight Max because he s 9 and I m 10 or 8 and 9 or something like that.
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Are you fucking crazy?
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He s like, I ll fight him if we have one rule, no punching.
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He almost lost that Jalen Turner fight that was what happened there Jalen Turner tried to look cool and get a walk-off kill and It didn t happen.
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You can t do that.
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You got a follow-up.
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That was the fight like if he beat more Kano man and Jalen Adam Adam we was in I was at the hotel room still watching that fight I was watching it was watching it and I
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Yeah, I was tripping out.
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And you know what s funny?
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As soon as that happened, I told my coach, I was like, you know what would be funny?
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If Money Makana comes out and reneges on the next round.
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And he finishes on the next round.
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I was like, damn.
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I was like, whoa.
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It wasn t funny, but it was like, damn, that s amazing.
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Jalen is so long.
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He s so dangerous to his knockout power like at length It s he catches guys on the end of shots you can t come close to him, and he s cracking you And he s got nasty power, and you know that Moicano, dude He he it s tough.
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He s very tough the fact that he figured it out.
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He s like fuck all this standin I m gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground smart, bro.
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Yeah, yeah, thank you.
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That s fine.
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That s fight IQ what a card that was
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Brother from the beginning from the first number I had I had a family and friends that came to the fight and they went to the first fight Cody Garbrandt you had to go you had to you got two former world champions going at it in the first fight Yeah, that s insane and two guys that are still awesome, and it was fighting.
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Oh, it was a fight.
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It was a fight.
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Yeah, I
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How crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick imagine he landed that kick on stuff s face when he Went for the hands that and then he just regular leg kick.
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Yeah, I almost kicked him in the head.
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That s crazy Yeah, those cartwheel kicks are ridiculous crazy crazy.
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You gotta set him up, brother You can t be just trying to turn them freely like that, you know Well, Justin tried rolling thunder on you and yeah the last round right?
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I knew I knew he s gonna try it I knew it.
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Yeah, that s what Justin s known for, you know, so I knew he s gonna do it We knew he s gonna do a couple stuff
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We knew power punches leg kicks.
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I was thinking if we got later in the rounds or if he was getting comfortable He s gonna try and do that thunder the rolling thunder kick.
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So who s ready for it?
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You know, he s got this weird ability to kick your legs like in a close bro close.
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Oh, yeah I heard you talking about how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick he can it was almost like
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It wasn t a high kick of course, but you know what his leg kick reminded me of?
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It reminded me of Yair s high kick.
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SPEAKER_00
Me and Yair could be nose to nose and a fucking kick comes up.
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SPEAKER_00
I m like, holy shit!
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SPEAKER_00
He did it to me one time.
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SPEAKER_00
And I was like, why are you guys so flexible?
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SPEAKER_00
With Justin, with his leg kick, bro.
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SPEAKER_00
Some of them, even his angles that he take on his kick, I m like, you re not hitting me with this.
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And he cracks me, his whole shin across my knee.
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SPEAKER_00
I m like, what is going on?
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SPEAKER_00
How are you landing this?
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SPEAKER_00
His angles is weird, bro.
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SPEAKER_00
He has some weird angles for it, for sure.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, he s very unique in a lot of ways is a very unique style very unique mentality He s a unique guy, but that the leg kicks in the clinch when he was what was it was it still PFL back?
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SPEAKER_01
I know what you re talking about the one that he was in the clinch in the clinch And full power he killed that guy.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, it s horrible to watch because you re dealing with the clinch and
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SPEAKER_01
And you re thinking, oh, we re just clinching here.
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SPEAKER_01
And he s just killing your legs.
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SPEAKER_00
Like no one can.
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SPEAKER_01
Like no one can.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know anybody else who kicks the legs from the clinch like Justin Gaethje does.
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SPEAKER_00
Full power clinching.
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SPEAKER_00
You know how you do that heel kick?
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SPEAKER_00
That s what people do.
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SPEAKER_00
They usually grab that heel and they hit it or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00
But this guy is like straight Jose Aldo running leg kicking to you in the clinch.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, it s insane.
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SPEAKER_01
Think about all the guys you fought, Max.
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I mean, you have fought the best of the best.
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SPEAKER_01
You fought everybody.
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Except Makachev, there s like everybody of your era you fought.
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SPEAKER_01
Well with the Makachev fight is not not too far off.
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SPEAKER_00
So yeah, you know never say never I got a couple more years than me for sure What do you think if you had a plan it out?
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, so here we got Poirier and Makachev are fighting They re fighting next and that s gonna be what is that New Jersey, New Jersey, New Jersey?
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SPEAKER_00
So let s say Makachev wins.
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SPEAKER_00
If Makachev wins, well even if Poirier wins, if Poirier wins.
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SPEAKER_00
Bro, if Poirier wins, that d be a fun fight.
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SPEAKER_00
It s a great rematch.
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SPEAKER_01
We have history, you know, especially at 55.
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SPEAKER_01
We re at 45.
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SPEAKER_01
And make it a double belt.
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SPEAKER_01
Brother, I would love that, brother.
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SPEAKER_01
The double belt.
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SPEAKER_01
That d be crazy.
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SPEAKER_01
The double belt.
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SPEAKER_00
The double belt, first time ever.
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SPEAKER_00
That d be crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
BMF and the lightweight title on the line.
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SPEAKER_00
That d be crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
Wow, that would be wild.
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SPEAKER_00
But even if, whoever wins.
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SPEAKER_00
But then, I really like,
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SPEAKER_00
No, here s a thing at 55.
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SPEAKER_00
You look fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00
You look bigger.
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SPEAKER_00
You look stronger.
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SPEAKER_01
I m sure it felt better like The cut was the cut was a cut don t get me wrong, but It was it was beautiful brother.
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SPEAKER_01
I was eating sushi all week Eating more so I eat sushi when I go to 45 too, but I was eating more sushi all week, but I was loving it Do you think that that s better for you?
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SPEAKER_01
We see what happens.
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SPEAKER_01
I feel like I still have unfinished business.
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SPEAKER_01
I want to get the title.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, before this fight, we only had a couple of options.
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SPEAKER_01
After this fight, the whole main goal with this fight was just have all the options.
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SPEAKER_01
That was my mentality going into this fight.
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SPEAKER_00
The mentality was, let s have all the options.
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SPEAKER_00
We go out there.
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SPEAKER_01
We do something spectacular.
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SPEAKER_01
I m right up there with the top 55ers.
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SPEAKER_01
I still have my spot with the 45ers.
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SPEAKER_01
And then, to my surprise, after the fight, they announced a Conor vs Chandler fight.
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SPEAKER_01
So it s like, me and Conor have some history, so there s options.
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SPEAKER_00
And they re talking about doing something at 65.
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SPEAKER_00
I know DC s been saying this.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t know what he knows.
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SPEAKER_00
I haven t pressed him.
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SPEAKER_01
I m sure DC knows something.
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SPEAKER_01
That guy only talks about stuff when he knows.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Clever.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
This is what DC asks about that.
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SPEAKER_01
You know DC.
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SPEAKER_01
You call a lot of fights with him.
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SPEAKER_01
You know him as a person.
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SPEAKER_01
He don t talk about nothing unless he knows something is going on, brother.
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SPEAKER_01
Right.
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SPEAKER_01
That s what I m thinking.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s either he knows something going on or he s just bullshitting.
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SPEAKER_01
So it s either, it s one or the other.
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SPEAKER_01
He never ever plays middle.
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SPEAKER_01
Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01
With that, you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01
I know he doesn t bullshit, but I know he sees other stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
It s crazy, because I saw him talking about the BMF.
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SPEAKER_01
Did you see that one, that bit with Arcee?
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SPEAKER_01
When he told Arcee who else should fight for the BMF?
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SPEAKER_01
And no disrespect to him, but come on, DC.
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SPEAKER_01
He s just so offline on that side.
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SPEAKER_00
He s so out of pocket calling that.
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SPEAKER_00
He s out of pocket because he says so biased towards wrestling.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, he wants he s like there s been no takedowns in the BMF fights like I think that s what a BMF belt is, you know Well, they can be takedowns if it happens, but it you know, just have it just because you want takedowns Yeah, bring a wrestler in yeah, but that belt is a special belt, you know, it s it s it s a wild belt It s like it s wild.
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SPEAKER_00
These are wild fights
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SPEAKER_01
That s why you know you know it s funny like a lot of them.
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SPEAKER_01
It s funny because I see a lot of these guys These MMA guys guys some guys who s just like even doing MMA I see everything brother from like low-level MMA guys that s trying to come up to mid to high and I and before this fight everybody was shitting on the BMF whatever blah blah blah and then now that I Got it.
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SPEAKER_01
I m happy to see that.
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SPEAKER_01
It s actually getting its worth You know I mean at the end of day everybody saying oh no undisputed well
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SPEAKER_01
I was an undisputed champion.
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SPEAKER_01
I have the BMF belt now.
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SPEAKER_01
What is it?
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SPEAKER_01
You cannot tell.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, I m fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these number one and champions.
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SPEAKER_01
Now you tell me what it is.
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SPEAKER_01
At the end of the day, the belt is cool, and I always tell everybody, the belt is cool, but you guys gotta understand,
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SPEAKER_01
It s what brings with the belt, what the emotions it brings, and what kind of fight it brings to a card, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Like, our fight, a lot of people were saying could have been the main event of 300, you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01
So it s insane, you know?
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100%.
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SPEAKER_00
And the crazy thing is there was two insane fights after your fight.
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SPEAKER_00
Your fight was so good that two insane world title fights afterwards... Had to happen after, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
And still, people are talking about your fight.
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SPEAKER_01
And I felt so bad for the girls, because I was watching that fight in the back after doing my media.
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SPEAKER_01
And it was such a crazy fight, brother.
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SPEAKER_01
Amazing fight.
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SPEAKER_01
But I think, so people was just, they just had adrenaline dump because of what happened in the last fight, you know?
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SPEAKER_00
I did.
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SPEAKER_00
I lost my voice.
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SPEAKER_00
Bro, I lost my voice.
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SPEAKER_00
I really did.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve never lost my voice ever in a UFC fight.
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SPEAKER_00
But when you dropped him, it was the first time I ever stood up.
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SPEAKER_00
I couldn t sit down.
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SPEAKER_00
I was standing up.
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SPEAKER_00
I was just like, ah!
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SPEAKER_00
I saw you stand up.
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SPEAKER_00
That s the first time I ve seen you.
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SPEAKER_00
It was just, what?
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SPEAKER_00
Dana had the greatest quote in the post fight press conference He said I sell holy shit moments when people ask me.
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SPEAKER_00
What do I do for a living?
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SPEAKER_00
Look at this.
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SPEAKER_00
I couldn t even sit down.
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SPEAKER_00
I had to get up I Had to hold on to those guys.
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SPEAKER_00
I m holding on to them That s awesome
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SPEAKER_00
It s funny when they started putting cameras on us, because we ve been doing that forever.
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SPEAKER_00
DC and I go crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
We hug each other, we go nuts.
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SPEAKER_00
When something crazy happens, it s like, what?
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SPEAKER_00
What?
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SPEAKER_01
I m glad.
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SPEAKER_01
I m glad they did, because to see fans and reactions to the fight is cool, but they re fans.
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SPEAKER_01
But then when you see our peers and guys like you and other fighters and commentators of the sport, you ve been around forever.
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SPEAKER_01
So to see you do that, that brings a humongous-ass smile to my face, like holy shit, I just made Joe Rogan stand up.
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SPEAKER_00
I say, to this day, and I do it based on my reaction, obviously this is personal, I say it s the greatest knockout of all time.
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SPEAKER_00
The reason why I say it s the greatest knockout of all time is because everybody thought that Justin was going to be overpowering you.
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SPEAKER_00
He was a bigger guy.
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SPEAKER_00
He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier.
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SPEAKER_00
You had lost the last fight to Volkanovski.
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SPEAKER_00
You hadn t been in title contention since then.
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SPEAKER_00
You had a bunch of great wins, but here you re going to fight this bigger guy, and all these people are writing you off.
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SPEAKER_00
All these people were saying that it did and you re tuning him up and you did have to overcome getting knocked down and you did have Adversity yet deal with that leg and then for you to stand Winning four rounds to one in the middle of the octagon and point at the ground with ten seconds left And then just knock him out with one second left the way I reacted the way I jumped up I ve never done that before of all even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman.
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SPEAKER_00
That was another crazy one
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SPEAKER_00
Before that, I would have said, that was the greatest knockout of all time.
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SPEAKER_00
Because he was down.
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SPEAKER_00
He was down four rounds, and John Anik just had the perfect call.
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SPEAKER_00
He said, that is not the cloth from which he is cut.
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SPEAKER_00
And it boomed, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
And it boomed as his head kicked, like it s a movie.
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SPEAKER_00
So that was number one before, but you are number one now.
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SPEAKER_00
Thank you, brother.
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SPEAKER_00
That s number one.
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SPEAKER_00
Impact all time like complete polar shift of how people think about the BMF belt They don t think about as a gimmick at all.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it was the wildest crazy fight with an undeniable Number one contender in Justin versus you it s wild how it happened.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, the whole thing was wild I mean
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SPEAKER_01
You only as good as your last fight, right?
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SPEAKER_01
That s that s that s what it is this sport.
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SPEAKER_01
I I like to tell everybody You know, this is not like basketball This is not this is not like baseball or like hockey where?
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SPEAKER_01
You can just shit the bed on a Tuesday and then you come back out on a Friday and then you you re just a man of the world again, you know like you shit like like this stuff happen you have a bad fight like with Alex that fight don t get erased off until I
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SPEAKER_01
I have something great and even if you have a good fight, you know, I mean like I had a good fight with Arnold But they still like Alex he did that and then I did it with Koreans on and then I had a knockout over Korean zombie and then they re like Yeah, but Korean is old and blah blah blah and then finally now with this justice now everybody forgets, you know Like it takes us a while to make them forget about your last fight, you know, so
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SPEAKER_01
It was amazing bro.
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SPEAKER_01
To see everybody go crazy.
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SPEAKER_01
In my mind, a lot of people ask me, what s going through your mind when you re doing that?
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SPEAKER_01
You re up 4-1.
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SPEAKER_01
Brother, that was in my mind the whole time.
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SPEAKER_01
We went to 10 seconds.
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SPEAKER_01
I remember being a minute.
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SPEAKER_01
I remember my coach yelling, a minute max, stay clean.
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SPEAKER_01
And then I was like, a minute, I was like, oh, hell yeah, 15 more seconds until we go to the center.
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SPEAKER_01
We re going to swing in my mind.
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SPEAKER_01
And then he s like, 40 seconds.
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SPEAKER_01
I was like, holy shit, this clock is slow.
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SPEAKER_01
You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01
I m like, why is it taking forever?
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SPEAKER_01
And then he s like, 30 seconds.
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SPEAKER_01
And then he s like, okay, 20 seconds.
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SPEAKER_01
And then he does.
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SPEAKER_01
And he goes, uh, he got right after the 20 seconds mark underneath, a couple of seconds after he does his rolling thunder.
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SPEAKER_01
And then it pushed me to a point of perfectly circle out.
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SPEAKER_01
And then that s when I said,
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SPEAKER_01
I did the like, oh come here, you know, let s let s go here.
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SPEAKER_01
Let s throw it cuz that was just Everybody s losing their mind.
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SPEAKER_01
But in this to me, I just this is normal, you know, this is the second time It s the second time I did it, you know, of course the second time I m doing it I heard you guys say it s the first time I was a part of it.
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SPEAKER_01
This ain t no Justin Justin Gaethje, you know, but you know, why not?
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SPEAKER_01
why not if he if he was to put if he was gonna put me out then
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SPEAKER_00
Then so be it, you know?
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SPEAKER_00
Live by the sword.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, it was a wild ending to the fight.
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SPEAKER_00
There s the Rolling Thunder.
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SPEAKER_00
Damn, that was a nice Rolling Thunder too.
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SPEAKER_00
That was nice.
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SPEAKER_00
It was.
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SPEAKER_00
close now right here oh this is so crazy max oh that was crazy yeah it s the greatest it has to be the greatest knockout it has to be
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SPEAKER_00
They got the sickest picture of me, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
They had the sickest picture of me when I m flexing and I m over, like, I love Justin, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
I freaking love the man, but they have like that, you know, like the Muhammad, the Muhammad Ali picture.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, they got a moment of me like that, so I got a painting for you.
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SPEAKER_00
I told you I got a bronze Baines He s an amazing artist.
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SPEAKER_00
He made an incredible painting, and it s it s on the way I had someone go back to my house go grab it sick.
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SPEAKER_00
It s on the way, but yeah That was a there s a wild moment, man It just complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights like you are the fucking man now
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SPEAKER_00
Like, whatever next pay-per-view you re in, holy shit, that s gonna be big.
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SPEAKER_00
And if it s you and Markachev, or if it s you and Ilya, you and Ilya would be crazy!
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SPEAKER_01
Brother, brother, so much fun.
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SPEAKER_01
So much fun, brother, I know, I know.
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SPEAKER_00
Is that Spain?
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SPEAKER_00
Is that 305?
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SPEAKER_00
When is there gonna be a UFC?
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SPEAKER_00
Perth is 305, right?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t think they re gonna go to Spain this year.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t think they can.
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SPEAKER_01
I think so, Dana White said it in the 300 conference.
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SPEAKER_01
After fight conference he said that we re going with Spain, it just takes the time because you gotta book something and it s gonna be like a year and a half.
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SPEAKER_01
Good, that fight should be in Vegas.
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SPEAKER_00
Vegas, let s go Vegas.
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SPEAKER_01
I hope Vegas.
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SPEAKER_01
Or Madison Square Garden.
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SPEAKER_01
Or Vegas Legion Stadium.
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SPEAKER_01
66,000 brother, that s what it is.
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SPEAKER_01
Did you use their 300 night, but did you not see all the Hawaiian flags?
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SPEAKER_01
They were everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01
That s the 9th Island brother.
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SPEAKER_01
Give me, you can t, we can t go to UFC Hawaii.
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SPEAKER_01
Give me Allegiant Stadium and let s go crazy there.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_00
You could sell it.
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SPEAKER_00
Allegiance Stadium for a big UFC, 100% they could sell it.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, every UFC sells out like that.
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SPEAKER_00
They sell out so quick.
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SPEAKER_00
There s so many scalp tickets.
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SPEAKER_00
And a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card.
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SPEAKER_00
Because you know they re doing the Sphere, which is going to be wild.
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SPEAKER_00
That s going to be wild.
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SPEAKER_00
Who do you think is going to be in the Sphere?
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SPEAKER_00
That s a good question, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Because isn t it Mexican Independence Day?
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SPEAKER_00
Yes, it s September.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t think they have it set up.
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SPEAKER_01
Mexicans like to count me as their own, so I might even be in the spirit.
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SPEAKER_01
Who knows?
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SPEAKER_00
They count you for your style?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yes sir.
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SPEAKER_00
Fuck yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Fuck, what a crazy night, Max.
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SPEAKER_00
What a crazy night.
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SPEAKER_00
And to have that happen, again, there s two amazing fights after yours.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
And everybody s still just talking about your fight.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I know.
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SPEAKER_01
I remember as soon as the fight happened, a couple minutes after, my agent Tim Simpson came in and he told me, hey, he s like, brother, they just put your knockout on top of Instagram and YouTube and everything.
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SPEAKER_01
I was like, what?
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SPEAKER_00
They never do that.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, they never do that.
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SPEAKER_01
They only did this for, they only did it for sugar.
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SPEAKER_01
And I was like, what?
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SPEAKER_01
This is crazy.
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SPEAKER_01
So we saw, I thought it was lying, you know, and they saw it was there.
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SPEAKER_01
Three different angles.
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SPEAKER_01
And I reposted it.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
I was like, if UFC s posting this, I m posting this shit too.
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SPEAKER_00
This is the craziest knockout of all time.
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SPEAKER_01
Bro, the craziest angle is the one when they paused me, and then they do a 360 view, and then they play it again.
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SPEAKER_01
I m like, bro, that s...
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SPEAKER_01
That s insane, bro.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
What does it feel like when it s all over?
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SPEAKER_00
Does it feel like a dream?
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SPEAKER_00
Like, what does it feel like when it s over?
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SPEAKER_01
Brother, I still, I, you know, like, I still, I m still getting used to it.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t even know, you know, I feel normal.
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SPEAKER_01
I still, life s still normal, but like, I m getting, brother, walking down 6th Street last night to go get my dinner, I was getting harassed.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, not harassed, like, nicely harassed, but like, people like, yeah, like, you re getting, I always get noticed, but like, these guys, like, it s a, it s out and about way more, you know, and so,
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SPEAKER_01
It s just amazing, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
Even like guys who don t even look like they watch fighting.
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SPEAKER_01
You know, grandmas and grandpas at airports like, hey, you re the guy.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I m the guy.
3
SPEAKER_00
Well, that clip got so viral, too.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, that clip was so viral.
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SPEAKER_00
It was everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00
It was TikTok and YouTube.
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SPEAKER_01
It was everywhere.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
So my other agent on our team, Daniel, he s like a numbers guy or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01
And the Google search on me was like crazy, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
I think so is in like the billions.
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SPEAKER_01
Like after, after it was insane, it was something stupid I was like, oh wow, I didn t even know you could look that up, I told him.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that s what makes it very interesting for your next fight.
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SPEAKER_00
Because your next fight is going to be huge.
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SPEAKER_00
It s going to be huge.
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SPEAKER_00
Like you re a fucking bonafide superstar now.
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SPEAKER_00
Like your next fight is going to be nuts.
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SPEAKER_01
Can t wait, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
Can t wait.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know who it is, who it was, what, what the UFC want to do.
3
SPEAKER_01
But, um, like you said that option brought in this game, you all have so many options and there s so many options in your area too, right?
3
SPEAKER_00
Like sugar has been talking about fighting to Porya at 45.
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SPEAKER_00
Well if sugar s willing to fight to Porya 45 He s willing to fight max at 45, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah Crazy crazy matchups all over the place in a perfect world.
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SPEAKER_01
You actually in a perfect world, you know, I mean, yeah in a perfect world
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SPEAKER_01
If I could have it my way, I d be stupid to not say to fight Connor.
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SPEAKER_01
You know, I think that Connor fight would be huge, whatever, but we don t know what he s gonna do.
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So like if that s out, in a perfect world to me, it would be fight Ilya, 45 title, get my hand raised, and whoever s the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ status, whatever it is.
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Or even treat belts, you know, like 45, the BMF, and then put the BMF and the 55 against whoever has 55, and I d be,
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That d be surreal.
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You know, I think that would be a crazy.
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Well, there s an option too if they d really do this Connor 165 title There s an option of you being a three champ.
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That d be insane.
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If they did the 165 be fun.
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It ll be fun You d have to cut anyway.
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Oh, no eat sushi every day.
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I ll eat sushi on the scale.
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What is what is your walk around?
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Wait, like what s right now?
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I
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Me right now, I walk around like, before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70, 75, nothing crazy.
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Oh, that s not too crazy.
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Yeah, nothing crazy, nothing crazy.
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I was in there against, they make us check our weight now, and I was only 172 when we went in against Gaethje.
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When you were fighting at Featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought?
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I d be around like 65.
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I d get a high 60s, maybe 68 at the highest.
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So did you, I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning.
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Your YouTube channel is great, by the way.
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Oh, thank you, brother.
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And it s really cool how you document pretty much everything.
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You re showing all your training, all the different stuff.
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So you did a lot of strength and conditioning.
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We did a lot of strength.
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We did a lot of strength.
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So a lot of people is talking about matching Geechee strength.
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And and and I our team didn t want to we wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast We knew we was faster than Gigi So our main focus everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to of course endure his strikes You know But the main thing that we want to focus on was speed like I knew I could I could I ll go I ll gun him in and in the fit wrong when we really hurt him hurt him I ll gun them with speed you know I hit like I hit him with like five five hits and and
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And the one that you don t see hurt you the most.
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And the last right hand in that little combination early in the fifth round is what hurt him the most.
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I stunned him a little bit.
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We re just working on speed, brother.
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We had 12 weeks.
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I wasn t willing to put strength to give up conditioning.
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So I was like, I m going to be speed and conditioned.
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And that s the way I fight.
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If you go look at it, a lot of people are looking at stats.
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Reminds in his fight of like the how much he s chosen strikes and how much I I throw in strikes how much how much he gets hit which was less than how much I get hit and I was like brother that cannot be right and then the stats is you know and I m like No way, and then when you look at the stats this guy had 12 fights, and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC That s what come our stats is so close to each other because I have so much more fights than his and then even that would I had a lot of time in the octagon and
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And he just didn t, because he would knock guys out, you know what I mean?
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He had that beautiful power.
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So at the end of the day, some of the numbers that these guys are putting out there, I was like, brother, you guys need to do your guys  homework.
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Stop looking at the surface level.
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Start digging deep into it.
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Yeah, um when you it was interesting that what you just said about strength and conditioning you you re not willing to give up conditioning for strength, uh-huh so So how do you approach that like when you when you made a decision to go to 55?
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So the Poirier fight you go to 55, but you did it.
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I m pretty short notice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we had we had like I
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So the way we train is I always take two weeks off before a fight So it was like six weeks and then so we actually had four weeks to train for them And I was like, I mean put up the picture of poor Punching me in my face.
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There s a famous picture of poor punching my face Explain that when you said do you take two weeks off before the fight?
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What do you mean?
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So like like strain and conditioning?
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So I don t do no strain conditioning like the week before the fight like maybe we do like a little lift whatever
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But it s just something you maintain like cuz you can t get faster or stronger two weeks before fight or even a week, right?
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So even with cardio, it s not gonna anything I do the week before the fight is not gonna help me and anything I do the week of the fight is not gonna help me you all the hard work is done right and that s what these guys look look look how fat I was Look at that top right one that top right one right there
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Look how fat I was, yeah, look at that, yeah.
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That s Muffin Top Max, brother.
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And he zooms in, wow.
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Wow, you re an asshole, huh?
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So you only had four weeks, and there s no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks.
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Or anything, you know, and I was like, and I didn t...
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Didn t have my beautiful wife at the time, so you know he meals was crazy before her I ate out every night I was terrible now as you kiss me now.
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She keep keeps me clean, so it is what it is.
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You know I hate using experience excuses cuz you know Dustin I came out there and fought hard and we fought hard and I ain t taking nothing away from Dustin so Whatever I did was on me, and you know it if that fight if we got a third one Then I think would be a pretty fun one
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It d be amazing that would be a wild a third fight between you guys be wild especially if he beats Islam if he beats Islam How much is the how much is the odds I m betting on him jumping a ghillie He s gonna try You know I didn t know that he was referencing William Montgomery the comedian when he I ain t never gonna stop I
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That s what he was doing.
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He was doing William Montgomery from Kill Tony.
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I didn t know, and I m friends with William Montgomery.
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I love that dude.
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You re not a good friend, Ninja.
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What the hell is that?
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You know, I felt like a bad friend.
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But really what it is, is like when I m doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that,
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Interviews are complicated.
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You re locked in bro.
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I m trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible I m trying to stay out of the way, but I m also trying to ask questions, and so I didn t pick up on it Plus I didn t I was like no way But Tony texted me because did he just quote William Montgomery I m like no way really is that what that was and then and then Willie texted you fuck you
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No, they had been going back and forth.
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He apparently, Dustin told him he was gonna say it.
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Oh, for real?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They ve been DMing each other.
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Oh, that s awesome.
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Yeah, it s hilarious.
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Bro, Dustin s a man, bro.
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Yeah.
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With his beautiful uppercut.
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Now, he had been pressuring you.
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There had been moments in the fight where you chose to jump to guard and try to grab a guillotine.
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Yeah, I ll do it, and I ll never stop doing it.
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I ll never stop doing it.
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He s a great guy.
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He s a great guy.
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I love Dustin.
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I love Dustin And I was glad for him to get that that win over Benoit Saint-Denis is a monster monster killer.
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He s a killer, bro Yeah, that s another fight right look St.
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Denis gets staff.
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Yeah, so he s got staff on his forehead He s got to take antibiotics drain if you ever had staff.
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No, bro.
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Knock on wood.
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That s amazing Yeah, brother
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I m clean, I guess.
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I guess.
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I guess.
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You re doing something right.
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Some guys are some dirty mother effers, I think, you know?
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Well, you can get staff easy.
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You can get staff easy.
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No, I know, I know.
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Some guys, uh, some, I mean, once it s in your, in your system, you just, it just gotta get reawakened, right?
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So, one of our friends, like, he s pretty bad with it.
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Like, he s always got staff, like, every other week feels like.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, it s terrible.
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It is terrible.
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Does he take showers?
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Brother, he does.
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He does everything.
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I don t know what it is.
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It s just bad luck, I think.
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Another thing is like people mistakenly use antibacterial soap.
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Like you don t want antibacterial soap.
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You want to keep your healthy gut floor.
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I tell everybody, I don t, I know the guy owns a company.
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I have no affiliation with it, but defense soap.
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If you re a grappler, it s the shit.
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Defense soap is all natural.
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It s like tea tree oil Eucalyptus oil and he has all kinds of products everything from stuff to clean like wipes If you can t like get to a shower quick enough if you know if you re training in a place That s kind of dingy and doesn t have a shower.
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They have wipes until you get home.
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They have soaps and ointments That s the most crazy thing bro, right when people like I see people like we train and then we have a shower at the gym and some of them just like change their clothes and like I gotta go I was like
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What the hell?
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Did you shower?
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I said, no, no, I gotta leave.
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I was like, the hell?
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No way, you know?
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I live like 45 minutes.
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Some of them live like maybe 15 minutes.
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But 15 minutes is enough for a ringworm or something to fucking wake up, you know?
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So it s like, bro, just jump in there and get a rinse off.
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Yeah, I ve had ringworm.
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I ve had staph twice.
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I ve had ringworm a couple of times.
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It s annoying.
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It s annoying.
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Oh, ringworm is irritating.
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The defense soap is the shit.
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I tell everybody, get on that.
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And it doesn t mess up because it s all natural.
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It s like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil and smells good, but it doesn t fuck up your skin flora.
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I knew this dude who had ringworm and so he started using antibacterial soap and he got it everywhere.
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It spread all over his chest.
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And then what it does to it burns your skin yeah, so like so like when you use that kind of stuff with ringworm I remember people used to like bleach them, and yeah, you d be bleached you d have a bleach circle Yeah, that s crazy.
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Yeah, it s crazy.
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Yeah psycho dudes use bleach That s a crazy move pour bleach on an open wound like what the fuck are you?
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What are you doing, man?
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So for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were going to fight at 55 and that you re going to fight Justin?
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Brother, so there is an idea of maybe, of maybe it is gonna happen for a while, but we didn t know and then we got confirmed.
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I think it was like 10 to 12 weeks, you know?
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Like I don t know what it was.
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So it was like 10 to 12 weeks.
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So it was like more than enough time.
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This is like, yeah, we had so much time, brother.
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We was planning.
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I got the train, I got the lift.
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I was already, we was training a lot.
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My last fight was in August.
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So I was in the gym training, getting ready.
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Brother, after the Vogue, after the Vogue and
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Islam to fight.
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I was like, there is no way they re letting this guy turn around.
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So I really thought they was going to try and ask me, me, uh, to go fight Ilya in January or something.
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I went to Toronto.
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I fought in Toronto twice.
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I won an interim.
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I defended the belt there.
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I have a following in Toronto.
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I call it a 10th Island.
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You know, I like to call it, I love the Canadians, but they re, they re, they re literally the best.
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So I was thinking like, man, they, we re going to get caught, you know, like there s, there s no way that he s going to fight.
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And then,
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They did.
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They just moved it from January to February.
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They put the other card, whatever, they switched it around.
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So I was already training and then, yeah, I couldn t tell you when, but I knew we had at least 12 weeks.
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At least 12 weeks.
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So when did you know that it was going to be 55 and when did you know it was going to be for the BMF belt?
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That was 12 weeks.
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12 weeks.
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So had you already had a plan to put weight on?
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Did you already have a plan, like strength and conditioning plan?
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For sure as soon as we as soon as the talks of maybe we might even fight Gaethje at all was like We just got it.
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We our plan was what I say was like we got to put on size to endure damage But then let s not lose this speed does my my head coach Darren Yap a tactical straight the best training conditioning in all of Hawaii And if somebody got a problem, then they can they can meet me somewhere anywhere.
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You know I
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But all jokes aside, he s the man, bro.
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And he s the one that was like, yeah.
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Look, I know you want to get strong, Max.
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He s the one that came up with it.
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He s like, I know you want to get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro.
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We still need your speed.
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And we got to outwork this guy.
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He always weaponized my cardio.
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He was like, brother, whoever we fight, you re going to outwork them.
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So let s just get your speed up.
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Stay fast.
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Get a little bit bigger without being too much to get to it.
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He was the main one.
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He s like, I don t want to give up strength.
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I don t want to give up conditioning for strength brother like because the idea is the more you have the more endurance It s gonna require.
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Yeah, and especially like even it with everybody like I train with bigger guys You know here and there and I never ever once felt like holy shit This guy s so much stronger than me like I never ever once felt that way You know you hear these talks of some people saying oh this guy s pretty strong, so I try to go with him I was like he s alright.
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You know it s not like oh my god.
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He s gonna be strong so I felt like
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I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess.
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Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know?
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And that s what it is, you know?
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I keep telling a lot of these MMA guys, or just people coming up, or even my amateur fighters that s coming up, I just keep telling them, like, brother, there s no difference between me and you.
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The only difference is my experience.
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Even with UFC fighters, the only difference between top 15 and top 10 is experience and their mindset.
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Top 10 to 5, experience, mindset.
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Top 5 to the championship, same thing.
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And then the champion, maybe the top 3 guys after that.
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It s just a mind thing.
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This shit is easy.
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Most of these things that are hard, it s because you make it hard.
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A lot of guys make it hard for themselves.
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I m like, what are you doing?
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You re beating yourself up for what?
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This is just fucking practice.
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Get better.
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You know what I mean?
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That s all you gotta do.
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Stop beating yourself up.
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But you have a great mentality for that.
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You re able to go past losses easily.
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It is what it is, and you keep moving, and you re on the path.
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But for some people, losses are devastating because their whole identity is
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based on success.
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And if they don t get success, then they feel like they re a loser.
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But even with that, the whole identity thing, that s what it is.
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Even when you see guys retiring from other sports or our sport, they have that identity crisis, because they re so known for one thing.
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And that s when I tell them, that s when I love doing all this stuff.
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People, bro, oh my god, I stream.
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I stream on Kick now.
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I stream on kick.com.
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And brother, during the whole fight, I m streaming.
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They re like, yup.
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Thank you for this, Max.
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I m putting my house on geichi now.
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He s training while you re playing fucking video games. 
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I m like, what the fuck?
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I was like, bro, I need to be training for 24 hours of the day?
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Like a fucking cyborg or something?
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What the hell?
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Like, they re like, yep, yep, yep, you, yeah.
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Look at you over here.
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I freaking, I do slots in there, you know, again, but like we play fun.
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He s like, yep, look at you doing this shit, losing money.
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You re going to lose your fight too?
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I m like, what the fuck?
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You can t catch a break.
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Those are just losers Unfortunately, I don t mean anything bad to you guys out there But if you re commenting to a guy like that, you re a loser.
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There s no way you re a winner.
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It s not possible It s not possible that you re excelling at whatever you do.
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No one comes to you like that s Mike.
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He s the best No chance if you re commenting like that on people you re just you re a loser and that s unfortunate I ve been a loser in my life, you know, it s
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It s common.
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It s common, but you re a loser.
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Winners don t think that way.
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The idea that a guy can t play some video games and unwind while he s in the middle of camp, you re out of your fucking mind.
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You don t understand.
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You don t understand what you re talking about.
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I like talking to Mighty because Mighty and me and Mighty did an interview.
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Yeah, he s a man and he was just telling me like it s so funny cuz every time I tell everybody like fighting is easy Like a lot of people look at me crazy.
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They re like what you mean sees I was like bro anything you do in life is easy It s just that you make it hard a lot of assholes make it hard for themselves like it s actually pretty easy You know it s like if you look at the steps.
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These are steps.
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Yeah, you might fall down in the sense of
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In the sense of actually getting it done, it s going to be hard work.
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But it s easy, because you know what you got to do, right?
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And I told Mighty, when I told Mighty about fighting, Mighty was the first guy ever that said like,
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Bro, that s what I tell everybody.
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I tell fighting is easy.
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I was like, holy shit, if the MMA GOAT is telling you fighting is easy, stop harassing me, go harass him.
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You know what I mean?
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Go tell him.
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He said it too.
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I think it s easy for you, and I think it s easy for Mighty because you guys are real champions.
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You have this champion mindset, and that s what people need to learn.
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They need to learn a mindset for improvement, a mindset for getting better at things, and a mindset for staying positive.
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100% that s what it s it.
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That s really what it s about.
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You can apply that to anything in life So a guy like you that s a champion in MMA.
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You could do anything man All you need is just like whatever that thing is focus on that thing and if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career.
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Oh, yeah, as I told everybody I told
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It s so funny, whenever me and my wife, I was like, you re so lucky I wasn t a surfer, I would have been a world champion surfer.
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I m bad at surfing, okay?
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I m bad, but you re lucky that I don t put my effort into it, because I want to be badass.
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Yeah, I m sure, and that s a fact.
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How did you get so good at that jump spinning back kick?
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Brother just practice bro.
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I did anybody show you do you remember do you remember me telling you it was here?
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It s a viral clip about me learning strikes in the game.
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I was one of the strikes.
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Yeah, that s one of the strikes brother I saw the strikes in the game.
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I was like hitting barrel hitting barrel through it through it nice I was like with Dustin Kimura.
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I told him brother I
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We need to do this meaning back kick shit.
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Yeah, it s just so good And it s a secret weapon and and then the thing is funny cuz in the game I was throwing it close like a lot of people throw it from distance, but I throw it real close like almost in clinched That s why yeah, and I told him like bro.
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This is gonna be secret weapon.
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I remember Dustin Kimura He was in the UFC for a little bit and and I and I was trying to make him practice it with me he s I remember him saying one time like
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Fuck this kick, this kick is stupid as hell.
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And then we kept practicing, kept practicing.
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Another guy a big guy came down train with us, and he dropped him when it s being back kicked and from the clinch, right?
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And I was like what I told you brother.
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I told you this fucking kick is a secret weapon How are you practicing it close up?
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What s it?
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You just stand close?
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I was like bro like I wish I d get my timing from from it being a distance first And then we d be like live it closer and be like bro We got it all we got to focus on is bringing our knee up and then pushing it out at the last second the main thing was just bringing your knee up and snapping your head around and
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Snap your head around first, see where you re gonna land so you don t kick each other in the freaking groin area because it happened a couple times to me and him.
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But yeah, it was like bringing you up high, look, and then push it.
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Do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag?
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Yeah?
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Yeah, I tried just jumps back jump back, and I create my distance from jumping me jumping away from the bag Yes, exactly if you can develop that that is a secret weapon because it s one of those techniques It s like you remember when the calf kick came along everybody s gonna throw a cabinet if you could develop that yeah here has it and
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Yair does it really well.
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But this was a giant moment in the beginning of the fight.
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Look how close you are.
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Look how close you are.
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To be able to get that off from there and to hit him in the nose, his nose was gone.
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I mean, you shattered his nose at the very end of the first round and from then on.
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What a fucking fight, man.
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I watched that fight at least ten times.
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No bullshit.
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At least.
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I watched it over and over again in the gym.
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I would lie to tell you if I didn t watch it that much.
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Dude, I always pause.
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I always pause no matter what I m doing.
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If I m at the gym, I pause for that last ten seconds.
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Just like this.
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How is this real?
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How is this real?
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You got that jump spinning back kick down, dude.
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You got it down in the most unusual way, which is this hop back and then throw it.
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Like Raymond Daniels does that really good.
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Even you, like back in the day, it was a video game and I started looking at spinning back kicks.
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There s a clip of you hitting a fucking kill in the bag, bro.
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Yeah.
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I was like...
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There s only one clip of me in a tight window fight It s me knocking a dude out with a spinning back kick.
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Holy shit.
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I m flying Yeah, but it s the same exact move the guys moving forward and I just jump and spin at the same time It was the same move because I was like in the air when I landed it
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That s crazy.
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That was my favorite thing to do.
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So when I see a guy like you doing it from up close, and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games, which is so crazy.
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When you told me that the first time, I was like, what?
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I thought, oh, we went to like a traditional karate school, and then he started studying Muay Thai when he was 10.
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No.
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No, no, no, no.
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I saw cool stuff happening in the game.
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I was like, oh, bro, we could put this together in real life.
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And bro, Dustin, we never have a striking coach.
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You know, I didn t have Ivan yet.
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And then after the counter fight is when Ivan Flores joined my camp.
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And then with him, bro Ivan is a genius.
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He loves the basic stuff, but then when I try to tell him or show him fancy stuff or I see Muay Thai doing shit like sweep the leg and elbow and stuff or whatever, it s crazy.
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Even this fight week bro, if you watch the fight, a bunch of times I m doing this right kick.
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I do this right kick, and then I just step over on my right hand against Keiichi.
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I just saw, we saw that, I practiced that, I threw that a bunch of times in other fights, but then, like two weeks before the fight, he sent me a clip on Instagram, be like, oh, look at this, watch this.
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And was, I forget who it was, but the guy, the Muay Thai guy was right kicking, he set up with a right low kick, next one, right low kick, right overhand.
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And like hurt, and kills guys, but he was like downing guys with it, and then I was like,
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Holy shit, we know Justin likes to stay there after kicks to throw.
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So I was like, brother, this is gonna work on Justin.
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So we just kinda added it in our game.
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I told him, bro, I think I m gonna throw this in the fight.
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He s like, yeah, let s practice it.
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Ivan Flores is the man, bro.
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He s the man.
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You have an amazing camp.
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Yeah, all my coaches are the man, bro.
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You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people, but you also, it s the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp
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Maybe better for some athletes because there s a lot of guys who want to go to like ATT But you know the guy like I talked to Jim Miller about this and he said that he really started improving Much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching.
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Yeah And at the end of the day these big camps, you know, like even even in Vegas, bro Like I hear everybody going to Vegas and training and
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Training and and like bro like one of the guys out there was time is like the wild west so like how do you?
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Get better every day you re going to train and just knowing I might fight this guy I mean I might I might have to fight this guy you know like I have I have guys my weight some some guys my weight in my in my class and and I told him brother like like I would tell him like if we ever got to the point where
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We re both in the UFC.
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We re fighting for freaking a lot of money.
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Like you better sign that damn contract We don t kill each other here, but you my brother, you know, we don t kill each other and stuff for free You d be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever But that s different from going to a big gym and like yeah and and actually being word like I m not worried You know if we fight we fight but like some of these guys you go in there and fighting your your life It s like a fight every day of the week
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And that shit is gonna fucking like a mentally brother that is gonna beat you down every day going like oh my god I m fighting for my life here.
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Oh my god, bro.
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I feel I feel
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Fight like everybody can call me a liar and whatever but bro in the fight I m nervous as hell in the back but with the Justin fight this last one I was telling people I was like What the fuck am I doing here?
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Why am I fighting Justin?
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What the hell are you doing Max?
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You know like that bro?
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I m not even lying.
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I m in the back.
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I m in the back thinking like
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I m like, what are we doing?
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You told me this is the last time, what the hell?
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It s like, now you re on USC 300, you ll be a fucking million people gonna buy this pay-per-view, what the hell are you doing?
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And then, as soon as the lights come on, I start hearing my song, that s when it changes, you know?
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Then it s like, it s school time, it s like, nah Max, you can t be fucking working at McDonald s making this much money, let s go get this paper, you know what I mean?
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You gotta own McDonald s if you re making this much money, but you don t own shit, so let s go get it.
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Bro, you can own multiple McDonald s with your next one.
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So that was it, you know.
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So you gotta flip the switch.
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A lot of my coaches, they didn t know my walkout song was funny because they was like, is he gonna do it?
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Because they was waiting for me to walk out to an Israel song, right?
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Come out and be like, is he gonna do it?
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Is he gonna do it?
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We walked up to Hawaiian superman, Maui Hawaiian superman.
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I loved it bro.
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I think it was perfect.
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You was out there in the crowd.
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I don t know if you could see it.
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Oh yeah on your screen.
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They made it look like the ocean bro.
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They made me look like it was the ocean.
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We had to turn in our song so early bro.
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So like usually I can turn in my song like the week of the fight or the week before the fight.
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Walkout song.
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But Heidi hit us up like six weeks out.
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It s like hey we need you guys walkout song now because we re trying to do something.
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And that was what they did, the lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had, they made it go to the song.
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They made mine look like the ocean, so it was wavy, but then Justin s one was sick, because every time the beat hit, the lights on the stuff went up.
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I was like, whoa, that s cool.
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What was Justin s walkout song?
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I forget, but it was a really good song, bro.
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I liked it.
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It was a really good song.
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Yeah, that s some banger walkout songs, man.
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But Politon, when that motherfucker walks out... I didn t even hear it.
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Is it crazy?
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Bro, he s the scariest motherfucker when he walks out, because he stands there.
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He walks out like this, and then he stands there and draws the bow back and goes...
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So, you know what is funny, you know, I don t know if you ever watched that kid of like he mimics like he mimics fights Fighters, you had a kid so he was at the press conference, bro, and the whole fucking press conference I ve seen him and he s trying to one two three For the whole time he got busted from from a security guard to sit down But the whole time that I watched him he was throwing it.
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I was like, but I get it that kid is crazy Have you sent mighty mouse to everybody?
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No, no, no.
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Mighty Mouse, there s a video of Mighty Mouse where they face swap him.
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I called him on, I said, why didn t you make mine?
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He s like, oh brother, I got you, I got you, next one.
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Yeah, he could do everybody.
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Yeah, he s good, but he mimics everyone s style.
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He does Khabib, he does Connor, he does Sohudo, he does everybody.
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Bro, he s a beast, bro.
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Mighty Mouse is the GOAT.
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He s a man, bro.
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When I say the best martial artist that I ve ever seen in terms of like the expression of martial arts, he s my favorite.
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It s him.
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If you don t have him on top of your
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You re you re MMA rush man war whatever.
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Yeah, it s not rush more More yeah, I think of my son when I said rush on Rushmore, but if you don t have him on it.
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You re just a hater Yeah, you have to be a hater everybody everybody keep talking about like even that like everybody keep talking about like well He s only 125 What
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See, see, it blinks.
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I don t know who s saying those names.
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I don t know.
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What is that?
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I had this thing going too.
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Oh, so here s Mighty Mouse.
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Show the Mighty Mouse one, because that s incredible.
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So here s Mighty Mouse pretending to be Cejudo.
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Strickland!
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So they switch about Strickland.
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Oh, it looks exactly like him.
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It s crazy.
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McGregor, that is good, bro.
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Oh my god, it s amazing.
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Mighty Mouse, he does Adesanya, too?
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Oh, look at this.
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Wow.
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You hear Uri Prohaskis talking about going down to 85?
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Is he?
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Yeah, he apparently didn t cut any weight for that fight.
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Yeah, yeah, me and him is managed by the same guy, and that s what I heard too.
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He s a wild boy.
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Bro, did you not see that he was outside of UC 200?
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Yeah, at 4 o clock in the morning.
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Yeah, yeah, outside of T-Mobile, yeah.
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And the fans were looking scared as hell to go to court.
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That dude s real.
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He s so cool, bro.
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He s so cool.
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Bro, did you not see?
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He just freaking wandered, you know, he s the other one that wandered 200 bonus, right?
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And then the first post, I m back home.
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I m in my hut.
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How are we doing, guys?
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Like he lives, bro, he actually lives in that hut in the forest.
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Does he really?
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Yeah.
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Bro, he works out punching trees.
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Dude s out there throwing front kicks at trees and shit.
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The guy, the guy is unreal bro.
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The guy is unreal bro.
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He s an animal.
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He s an animal.
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Because Racketch was putting it on him, man.
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And he was just melting Racketch.
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They re some big dudes.
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All fight week, when I went to the PI, Racket was me, Racket, and Heal.
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And these, bro, these guys are some big guys, bro.
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I m like, holy shit, you guys are some big dudes.
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Yeah, they re huge.
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And Yuri at 185 would be terrifying.
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He s got such a crazy style, man.
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I mean, there s no one that fights like that guy.
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Like, if you saw his silhouette, you would be able to tell instantly, that s Pro Hoska.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Hands down, chin forward, you know, the fucking crazy hair, the samurai bun.
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Bro, he s...
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He s just a samurai spirit.
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It s not a facade.
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A lot of guys think so.
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He s a really nice guy.
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You ever talk story to him?
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Yeah, I ve talked to him.
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He s so nice.
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He s very quiet.
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His tone is very, I m good brother.
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He s like the guy that you call to go kill somebody for you.
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He s a hitman.
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I need a hitman.
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Okay, brother.
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I got you.
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Yeah, exactly Exactly.
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So that fight was a wild fight, too It s like there s so many fights that got lost the fight your fight Especially that knockout was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked Justin up the first part of the fifth round Like I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again.
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I was like, oh, yeah Yeah, I almost heard him.
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Yeah, I almost heard him, but you know, oh you heard even even even even when I
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I called my dad, you know, and you re gonna love this one But then I went like this and then when I was when I was flirting on me everybody even in every round every time I heard him I d come in I ll do a little bit and if it didn t put him down or hurt him more I just backed off cuz everybody s like why is he not attacking?
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Why is he not attacking?
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I m like brother Every time I heard him he had the craziest look in his eyes brother
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And one time he said, let s get it on.
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So I was okay, you know?
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I was like, nah, I m okay, brother.
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I m here.
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I m gonna keep picking you, you know?
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But he did, he did.
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But all jokes aside, he did have the craziest look in his eyes, brother.
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It was crazy.
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Like, I heard, I was like, why are you even standing, bro?
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You know?
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And then I just think, yeah, you re all right.
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You re Justin Gaethje.
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You re a freaking highlight, you know?
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So.
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Well, he said the wildest shit before the fight.
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He said, don t make plans after my fights, because I don t plan on being alive.
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Yeah, when I saw that, I was like, what the fuck?
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Is this guy human?
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You know what I mean?
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How the hell did he get led into Wakanda?
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It s not a very Wakanda mindset, you know?
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Oh, there s one thing that has come up that I think we probably should talk about.
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And it s the Pejeta-Jamal Hill knockout.
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And it s an interesting thing that was brought up.
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And I didn t think anything of it at the time.
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And then I watched it again.
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I was like, hmm, there s kind of a point there.
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And the point is,
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Jamal accidentally hits him low.
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He like kicks him in the hip and Herb Dean comes in to stop it and then He does the super gangster thing but in the meantime Jamal has stopped and relaxed after he threw the kick he gives him a thumbs up like you cool and then Pejeta does it and then Pejeta advances and
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And then herb is to the left.
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Yeah, so it s like he can t even move too much to the left and all of a sudden He s on him and he hits him with that And I think Jamal saying I would have never let him that close to me Yeah, if it wasn t for that nut shot, and I didn t know exactly what was going on So Herbert stopped it herb is out of his field of vision herb is over here.
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So when Herb s doing this
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I don t know what he said.
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I don t know.
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Let s see if we can watch it.
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Cuz he stood, he stood.
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I think so, I think so.
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I know what you re saying cuz even there like he stands there and like kind of like like half, half like touch gloves with him, right?
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And then like and and Alex is like using a touch glove to step in to it and then Alex throws the left hook, right?
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Alex steps on his foot.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Steps on his foot.
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That s the old, that s the old boxing shirt, brother.
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The old boxing shirt, southpaw and orthodox, yeah.
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So he steps on his front foot and then hits him with that left hook from hell.
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His left hook is a crazy weapon, man.
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That thing don t even look hard.
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It s crazy.
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Tell me not.
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It just looks like, and then when, did you not see the jolt that it sent down his body?
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Yeah, just like you see his eyes roll back.
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He almost did a, was he the one that knocked out Johnny Walker?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, he almost did the Johnny Walker like his body like kind of extended.
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I was kind of crazy crazy Wow, it is a glancing blow glancing brother, and it was like it was even a hook was like a shovel hook Yeah, like a Mexican hook
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The way he lands it, man.
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You don t give a shit, bro.
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The fight that he got before he fought in the UFC, did you ever see that one?
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No.
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Is the most vicious left hook knockout of all time.
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For real?
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He hits a dude with a high kick, the guy blocks it, he steps, the guy steps, whack!
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He just cleanly, you know, he s got that long frame, he s so long, and there s all this torque, and he just torques his whole body and whips across.
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It sounds like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon, just whack!
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And the dude just drops face.
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How are people just have that kind of power right?
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His power is crazy.
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He punched that the machine I saw 191.
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How much was your spinning back kick?
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I never kicked with a spinning back kick.
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But with a roundhouse kick I got to 152.
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That s crazy.
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But the difference between that and 190 with one punch?
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Here it is.
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Now let s back it up again, because let s make the argument.
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Let s see what happens.
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So go all the way to the nut shot.
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So here s the nut shot.
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So now, watch Jamal.
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Jamal stops, watch his legs lock up, he s relaxed, he gives a thumbs up, we cool, we cool?
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And he touches Herb, so now they re back at it.
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Yeah, but look at his stance, he s ready.
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Yeah, Pejeta has never relaxed.
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So this time has gone on, we re doing it in slow motion, right?
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Let s do it in real speed.
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So, here we see this.
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You know, the fight had restarted.
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The fight had restarted, but would that have, would that position have taken place if it wasn t for Jamal relaxing, giving him the thumbs up?
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So you know, like, not his fight.
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So my fight, the number one thing when I was going with Justin was just be on all the time.
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Right.
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Like just fucking max.
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I was just in the back of my cell mentally, physically.
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You need to be here every fucking second, every millisecond, brother.
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Which is a crazy thing.
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One millisecond off, lights can turn off, Max.
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You need to be on.
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So that was the main thing that I was telling myself the whole fight.
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With that, if I was in a situation, I would have told her everything.
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Motherfucker, are we going?
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I would have been like, come on.
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I still would have been ready.
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Protect yourself at all times.
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There is a weird Millisecond where no one knows what s going on.
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Yeah, and when Pahita is still moving Look at Peter.
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He s the millisecond.
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He s still like he s gonna burn area.
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So watch it again.
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Watch it again so the low kick and then as Jamal stop it go all the way from the beginning watch this so when Jamal lands the kick and
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He touches him and then he makes, look at the distance he closes.
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Oh yeah, look how close he is.
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He closed the distance, but back it up again.
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So you see the distance that Jamal s maintaining initially.
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Then he throws the kick.
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Now watch this.
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They pause, Jamal thumbs up.
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But Pejeta s closed the gap now.
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Right there, look how close he is.
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He s closed the gap a lot more than Jamal probably would have let him.
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Now it s a mistake by Jamal, protect yourself at all times.
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But also it does seem like there s a moment of confusion there is there is because he does close that distance it does Significantly it s like a double step watch it from here to there.
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He s he hops in there.
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Yeah, look right there hop hop Yeah, and you re in the danger zone.
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Yeah, that s fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny Loggins, huh?
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And so once he does that that little hop in he takes advantage of that moment to close the gap So he doesn t stop when herb stops him he closes that when he puts her to us he closes because this is an end Yeah, yeah, oh doing that watch it
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It s this, so he touches it, he hop, close the distance, while Jamal s legs are straight.
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So Jamal gives him the thumbs up, and Pejeta had a double hop in that turn.
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Yeah, and Jamal didn t know.
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Yeah, this is a real moment.
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Now, I m not making any excuses for Jamal.
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And Jamal can take a loss as good as anybody.
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And after the Paul Craig fight, he s like, I fucked up, you got me, this is it.
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But he s got a point here.
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It s not a perfect point, because they had engaged again, but Pejada had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early.
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But then again, playing devil advocate, nothing but love for Jamal, but fuck bro, you need to be locked in there, who the fuck cares.
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You re fighting another dangerous man, a man across you that you know each other, you guys land one good shot, you guys both can put each other away.
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I don t know bro, because at the end of the day... It s a mistake on his part, because you always have to be ready.
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It sucks, you know?
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How much times do we hear a freaking judge or even a ref screwing up the fight, you know what I mean?
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So it s like, you need to... Anybody, fighters, amateur level, pro level, the best fighters in the world, whatever it is, don t put it in these guys  hands, man.
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I mean, it s easier said than done, but don t leave it, you know, like it s just tough.
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Just be aware, you know, like you do have a third man in there.
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They are supposed to be looking out for you, but how much time do we see where sometimes that s just not the case or it s just too early, you know?
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So at the end of the day,
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Fuck it sucks, but what you gonna do there?
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You know, I mean like all we re gonna do is we re gonna have this kind of talks and Arguments and he s gonna have arguments and stuff and nothing s gonna get changed Here s the question like what is the protocol when a referee steps in and says stop?
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Even with him tell him stop the protocol should have been like okay separate.
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Okay, whatever go back to the middle like you push them against the cage Whatever and we saw you hop
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Okay, you want me to stop?
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Back up a little bit.
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Let me go.
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He needs to go in the middle of them and be like, okay, fight.
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Right.
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You can t be like get stopped and then you moved off to the side.
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Okay, fight.
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Fight to here because if what s his name, Jamal couldn t see him.
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I can understand like in his peripherals, like he s just focused, you know, and then maybe stuff stays fight and I m just focused on you.
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Like, okay, what s going on, you know?
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Right.
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There s definitely an argument that if you re going to do that and you re going to stop a fight momentarily, even if you re going to restart it, you have to understand that the momentum has stopped.
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Things have changed.
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And if one guy does this and hops in during that time, you kind of
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have to step and separate them and then engage.
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So he does the engage, he goes off to the side.
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But now the argument against that that I ve heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says, hold on.
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The fighter says, I m fine.
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And then they let him keep going.
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So maybe that s a good argument, too, that Jamal should have been more prepared.
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But it seems like he had actually told them to stop and that s when Jamal did this.
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So it s like, excuse me, Alex did this.
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So is that...
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up to the fighter.
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What are the rules?
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Yeah, what are the rules?
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Like when the referee says stop, are the fighters allowed to say no, I m fine?
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Or are they supposed to address the referee and say I m fine?
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He said time?
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Yeah, he says time and he puts his hand up and now where s Herb Dean?
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Herb Dean moves away.
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Jamal does not have eyes on him.
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Yeah, yeah, he s looking at him all the time because he s not trying to get cracked.
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But Alex is much closer to him now.
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Yeah, he s much closer, but look at the angle that he takes too.
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Alex is cutting off the cage there.
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You re pushing him to his right to cut off the cage.
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And Herb is right to Jamal s left.
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Yeah, look at that.
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Yeah, it s beautiful beautiful.
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That s crazy.
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He s a monster.
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Yeah, that guy s a monster I was telling everybody about that guy when he was in glory I remember when they were saying he was coming over to the UFC.
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I was like I told DC I go dude Get ready for this motherfucker.
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Yeah, this motherfucker puts people into orbit right there.
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He s got crazy power right there the wormholes
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Universes if in universes you wake up on the other side.
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He might have Actually, you know, so we re talking about Kanda.
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He might be like a doctor strange guy He might have the ring on but look underneath his glove or something.
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That s what s happening, bro Well, what he is is a real Amazon warrior like that s his genie his gene.
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Yeah, you see him, bro You see him go back to village.
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Yeah, I
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We re all painted up and stuff like a leopard?
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Yeah, bro.
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Bro, guy s a G, bro.
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He s a G. He s a real deal.
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He s a real deal.
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He s a man.
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How the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question.
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And how much do you think that compromised his chin?
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A lot, bro.
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You know what is crazy?
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Here s the walk.
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Look at his foot.
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Bro, that shit is terrifying.
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Look at his eyes, man.
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Everybody just love and he told Jamal when I make my walk in then you ll think about all these things you said yeah, I did Ha and the whole audience yells out
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Look at Jamal though.
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He caught the, did you see it in the other angle?
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He caught the arrow, he broke it.
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Yeah.
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That was cool.
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Jamal was telling me when I talked to him about it, he said he feels like he was winning that fight.
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He said he was implementing his strategy.
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He was, uh, he landed that one good right hook in the first round and he felt like he was on his way.
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He felt like he was doing everything he wanted to do, not letting that dude get close, but that thing fucked him up.
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Mean that there s a real there s a real moment there.
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That s right.
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That s a sport, right?
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Like, you know, it s funny brother, you know, like, you know, nothing to Jamal whatever but what is crazy is that when I read when I read I see comments I see people talking about our fight and
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And guys are bringing up like, oh yeah, just imagine, imagine if Justin didn t break his nose.
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It would ve been a whole different fight.
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I m like, well thank the Lord I landed my spanking back kick because his nose is broken.
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You know what I mean?
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Imagine if you didn t knock him out.
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Or just imagine if I broke my ankle walking into the frickin  octagon.
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Brother, there s so much stuff.
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People are so crazy.
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I m like, oh my God, just enjoy it.
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Why can t you guys enjoy it?
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Why can t you guys let other people have stuff?
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Why can t we have nice stuff?
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This is why we can t have good things.
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Again, it s just losers, you know?
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You think Michael Jordan s leaving YouTube comments?
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No, he s not.
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Winners don t have time for that shit, but that s also part of the game.
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You re gonna have to deal with those people.
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And how anybody could say imagine if you didn t land something that you landed that you planned for that you executed That s very hard to pull off a spinning back kick where you literally right in front of each other like that And you land it to his face.
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Yeah, bro.
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We knew he s on duck looking for a time.
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You know I
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Yeah, it was perfect.
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It was perfect.
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And it was such a great moment on that night because that night was magical.
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My head is still not wrapped around it, you know, like how you said, how do I feel?
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I don t know how I feel yet because it s still not wrapped.
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To have that, to
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To to to to be one of the guys to it started from all the way outside of fight brother Somebody asked me to get the the boat wrapped around Mark Coleman like when they asked me who I think and I said Mark Coleman, you know, I m like, oh, he s the guy He did his fight his house with his fires and stuff just happened So I was like he s the man and then to it being you see 300 to to us getting axle What about the how much should the freaking bonuses be and I m freaking screaming?
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Okay
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And Dustin and freaking Dana to be like 300k I was like holy shit and to win both the bonuses It was just crazy and then to have the like you said, but that s a movie finish brought to the to hit him with it over to hit
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It was like a David versus Goliath kind of kind of story going against him, you know And then to hit him with that overhand is like me hitting hitting him with the slingshot, you know So and the rock at the perfect place perfect time.
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Yeah, the perfect bro.
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This is UFC 300.
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Nobody s Event getting put together.
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This is not gonna top nothing to 400 and we don t even know if 400 is gonna top it You know, I mean like right we don t know we don t know but it s gonna be almost impossible to top that
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like every card after that you look at the card you re like yeah it s okay yeah it s pretty good i know it s crazy it s crazy and then a lot of people and then bro danoite is the he s the ultimate troll bro i love i love danoite them when they troll people when they you saw the video yeah brother when he saw the video he s calling out you know how much people on top of that video too also did videos of of me talking about how i was like undergone and pillow him pillow all the way pillow hands all the way he s gonna get killed and
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I m going to be the first Tony 2.0 or whatever.
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I was like, brother, you guys just watching.
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All their tones change and now they re making money off of me.
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I should go write them all money and be like, hey brother, you owe me 10% on YouTube for your concerns.
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There s all these people that have these takes where they know what s going to happen.
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It s such a stupid thing to do.
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You don t know what s going to happen.
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You could talk about someone s strengths.
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Opinion, yeah.
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You can have an opinion, but when people see stuff like that, I m like, bro, that s crazy.
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It s just dumb.
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It s just dumb.
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You know, you should talk about someone s skills and what they can do, and this could be a factor, and that could be a factor.
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But to say, this is going to happen, that is folly.
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That s a stupid way to look at things.
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There s not a chance in hell that you know when two world-class martial artists fight.
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There s no chance.
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There s no chance you know.
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I saw a lot of people doing that with the fight this past weekend with Devin Haney.
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Everybody was counting out Ryan Garcia.
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So many people.
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Did you see how much he bet on himself?
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Two million bucks.
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Can we do that on ourselves?
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What did he win?
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How much did he win?
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Twelve million.
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It s a bet 2 million to win to win 12 million, and he paid what and he paid 2.1 million dollars in in fees So you want 10 million, so you may be 1.5 in fees three pounds He paid 1.5 to to to Devon to Haney cuz he said 500 every week right every pawn And he had to pay on there and the extra 600 or 500 to the Commission Wow
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So so that s what so it s like 2.1 million dollars.
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Yeah, bro, and he s like and he better me So he s like bro.
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I don t give a shit.
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That s a wild Yeah, good boy.
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Do that left hook.
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He has a thing.
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It s fast, bro.
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It s so fast.
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It s so fast It s so fast Brian it and it s so fast and it hits so hard cuz even did you see the way Haney like oh Not even not only Haney, but every time he lands it on anybody.
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They re like yeah, they re like they go whoa yeah, they re getting like
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Shocked it comes at you so much faster than other punches.
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It reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime Yeah, like Roy Jones jr.
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Is prime barely through jabs Which is so crazy that a guy would be so fast that he could hit you with a leaping left Because he jab was a leaping left hook You ever see this is biceps the difference.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it s left biceps twice the size of his right bicep.
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It s nuts He might have been he might have been an arm wrestler
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Roy Jones had the craziest style of all time.
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When he was in his prime, that dude was untouchable.
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Every fight was an execution.
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Bro, crazy.
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Bodyhead bangers, bro.
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He was the... He was so fat.
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He was the only guy in CompuBox history that didn t get a single punch landed on him in a round.
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For real?
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Yeah.
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When he fought Vinny Pazienza.
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Didn t get a single punch landed on him.
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And then he just put it on him.
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And then he tried to stop the fight himself.
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He looked at the referee, he s like, stop this fight.
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And the referee s like, keep fighting.
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And he s like, all right.
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He goes like that.
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He does like that.
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He just tunes him up and KOs him.
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Bro, what a beast, bro.
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What a beast.
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But that left hook is a weapon.
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If you got a left hook like Ryan Garcia, like, my God, that thing s fast.
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Ryan at freaking Pereira.
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But how smart is Javante for making him go to 135 and then making giving him a weight clause?
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You can t rehydrate more than 10 pounds.
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Who s behind him?
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Who s behind him, brother?
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The money made with it.
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That guy is smart, bro.
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That guy is a businessman.
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These guys are businessmen.
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You know, like it is what it is.
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Same thing that Floyd did to Canelo.
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Yeah.
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Same exact thing.
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And you know what s more funny?
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Canelo then played into his game and said, no, you know what?
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We ll come down to this weight.
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He didn t ask.
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He was going to give them the extra five, but then with a weight clause.
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And they said, oh, what?
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You want to come here?
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You can come here and a weight clause.
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Bro, he s a businessman, bro.
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And you got to respect it.
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Yes you have to and for Gervonta that was perfect because I would love to see Ryan Garcia the one that we saw fully hydrated against Devin Haney against Gervonta.
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He s a problem.
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He s gonna be a problem for everybody.
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He s gonna be a problem.
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His speed is bananas.
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You ever seen Shadowbox like throw... Oh yeah.
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Is this sped up?
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How are you so fast?
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It s not fair.
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He might have one of the fastest left hooks.
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I ve ever seen for sure I mean, it s it s right up there with everybody that all the great left hookers of the past But he does your crazy thing is like bro.
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He don t even bring it out He just goes from right here right there whip like a way.
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I think it just kills guys It has so much power from short short distance.
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Just nothing just turns it over And you can hit you with multiple ones in a row
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Hey, he just keep trying that folks you don t even believe in jabs and the funny thing was the troll job like he was on Bro when he talked about I saw I just saw the interview the other night.
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He did talk about David Yeah, when he did he s a guy you know that one interview.
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I was like I
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People thought I was crazy!
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I was like, bro, I don t give a shit!
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I was like, oh!
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I was like, wow!
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I was like, this guy, bro, he should be an actor.
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Yeah, he really had a smart strategy.
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Act like he was crazy.
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Act like he was crazy, come in three pounds heavy, and just, bro, he sailed it all the way to getting into that, bro.
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I bet him coming in three pounds heavy made the line move more towards Haney.
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Oh, I m sure.
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Like, this guy s not training.
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Yeah, he s out of shape.
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He didn t prepare.
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He s crazy.
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He s mentally unstable.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Joke s on you, brother.
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He left straight to the bank.
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And there was some bad refereeing in that fight, too, because there was two knockdowns.
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Yeah, because he dropped, and it didn t count.
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That was crazy.
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Real bad.
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Real bad.
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Those were two legitimate knockdowns in a round where he already knocked him down once.
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So he knocked him down three times in that fight, in that round.
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Yeah, wouldn t that have been like a TKO already?
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I don t know if they had a three knockdown rule.
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It wasn t for the title right because Devin gets to keep the title so I think so it was yeah Even if he win, I think so he said yeah
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Would have had that I mean whatever fuck the title the title like that s crazy.
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Yeah, even that title is crazy Yeah, yeah after did you bro?
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You know it s more crazy There s a post of him being like yeah, I still got the title.
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I m like wow yeah, it s kind of crazy to dig Yeah, I was just trying to come up with some sort.
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I mean he got humiliated
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This fight game is wild, bro.
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It s a wild game.
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It s the most craziest game ever, brother.
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The most ruthless game.
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You be on top of the world one day, and we ll fight like that.
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No one even cares anymore.
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It s crazy.
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Yeah, you could be Ben Askren, you know, and boom one shot and and then that s what everybody remembers Amazing career dominates in Bellator Dominated in one FC comes over to America beats Robbie Lawler in a weird one.
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Remember that?
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No, he had him in a headlock.
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Oh, yeah, he wasn t out.
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Robbie was defending and they thought I don t know who made that call
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I forget who was the referee, but they thought he was out, and he wasn t out.
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And Robby s like, what the fuck?
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I wasn t out.
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And they called the fight.
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And then Jorge hit him.
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Street Jesus.
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Street Jesus hits him with some fucking nuclear lightning.
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Brother.
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The sprint.
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Oh my God.
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And the turn, the angle.
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Like, he cuts angles.
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Yeah.
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So that Ben, like, his instincts kick in.
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Yeah.
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He s like, shoot for the takedown.
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Yeah.
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Just runs right at him, and it just goes right into him, man.
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And then he does the freaking three pin cut.
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Yeah, he hits him in a couple of three-piece when he s down and then slaps the floor and lays next to him.
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Wow, crazy, bro.
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Yeah, it was wild.
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That was one of the wildest knockouts, too.
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That s another one.
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That s another one, but the consequences are different than yours.
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Yours is different, and it s the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last 10 seconds and that you had planned that out.
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Did your corner know you were planning that out?
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Oh, they know already.
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I mean, they know.
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You ask any of them and then you tell them like, bro, do you guys think... I never told them, but they already know who I am as a fighter.
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I ve been with these guys for like 15, 16 years of my life.
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Like half of my life, brother, I ve been with these guys.
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Wow.
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Actually, I think 14 years.
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I think it s 14.
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A little bit under half of my life with these guys.
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So they know me.
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You know, and like you can even, do you have the corner?
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Share the corner.
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Like Rylan is like hiding because he knows what s happening already, you know?
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And then my striking coach already knows that it s going to go.
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They know.
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Like I ask them after.
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They did interviews and interviews and they ask them, did you know Max was going to do that?
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It s like, he didn t tell us, but we had a feeling that if it went to the last 10 seconds, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look,
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You know what is funny that guy Michael is like 5 3, so he s like holding himself up on that bro His legs is dangling and he s kicking in the air imagine that That was wild
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And then shout out to my best friend, Birdie Bird, Jordan Reed, in the back, since the news didn t catch it at him.
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They named every corner man except for him in the back.
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So here s a question.
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Jamal Hill loses that fight, and now he s gonna fight Khalil Roundtree.
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Bro, that was a... Don t you think... Do you think that s a fast turnaround?
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I don t know.
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It s a very fast turnaround.
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It s only two months.
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Yeah.
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It s two months, and he s fighting Khalil.
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And you re fighting Khalil Hilltree.
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Roundtree is a savage.
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Yeah, you owe him a lot of money.
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You do owe him a lot of money.
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That s how he fights you.
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Yeah, he fights you like you stole something from him.
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His contract is probably a sure win.
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So he owes you, you owe him win money.
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That sidekick that he did to the knee.
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He was jumping into that thing.
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Horrible.
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That s nasty, bro.
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Horrible.
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Watch his knee bend backwards.
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Khalil I remember when Khalil fought Eric Anders he came back from Thailand so he fights Johnny Walker Johnny Walker catches him with an elbow in the clinch and he decides like I got to really learn Muay Thai clinching elbows he goes to Thailand and then he fights Eric Anders and he comes out looking like a Thai fighter.
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Pah!
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Leg kick.
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Where did he fight?
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I think I watched that fight.
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What fight?
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Uh, see if we can find, uh, Khalil Roundtree versus Eric Anders.
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I think that was on the Vogue... I think that was in Vegas.
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I think that was on the Vogue 2 fight.
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I believe it was in Vegas, because I remember... Yeah, I think that was on the Vogue 2 fight.
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...me and DC were like, what happened?
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Like, he was always a very good fighter.
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He was always a very good stand-up fighter, too.
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But, like, he went through this leap.
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in this fight.
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See if you get like early in the fight when the leg kicks were insane and it s the the way he s moving he s moving like a tie.
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Okay, he was moving like a tie like his front leg.
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He s like tapping with the front leg.
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Yeah, and I Mean it was very like Thai style Adapted to MMA, but we were just like my god like he s looked so much better than we ve seen him before and
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There was something about, like, he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches.
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And now, you know, he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got KO d.
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Right just got killed just two months ago.
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So most people would say hey, this is too soon Yeah, a lot of people say this is too soon, but I get it Jamal wants to get back in there He feels like that was a fuck-up and he wants to erase it.
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He says he s fine.
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But this is a It s a fucking scary cat man.
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Yeah, because even with even with the Jamal Hill incident, right?
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How much shots did he get to take on the ground took a few hard one?
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Yeah It s the left hook that makes his eyes roll back
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But Khalil s a monster bro, but he but imagine he ll bro imagine if you re in you re in this situation right you re in his shoes Like how you said this guy s got knocked out, but you go out there You knock this guy out guess what guess what guess what you re doing next fight You re fighting for a title brother.
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Yeah, you are fighting Alex Pereira for a title imagine him and Khalil and Alex Pereira Holy shit, man.
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It d just be violence bro.
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Oh crazy violence, and you know Khalil s had moments in his career where he was like not totally focused and
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And then he s had moments where he s really focused.
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And you see it, like, in his endurance in the fight.
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Like, there s fights that he s lost where just, like, he wasn t really there.
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But then you see him when he s really focused.
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Like, it s like, you gotta pay attention to what he s capable of.
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Like, you could look at a fighter sometimes, and you could look at bad fight.
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Like, some... Like, a good example is Charles Oliveira.
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If you go and watch Charles Oliveira, some of his earlier fights, it looks like he kind of, like, folded.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And then something happened after the birth of his daughter, where Charles Oliveira becomes this fucking assassin.
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Yeah, he s just in this and he just has no quit in him He s just an animal and it s just like everybody just forgot about that old shit and like no he s the fucking man Yeah, and they forgot about the cup Swanson fight.
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They forgot about all these other fights.
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I forgot about the Paul Felder fight They forgot about those fights like fuck all that fight What is he capable of not when he s on and that s I think what you got to do with Khalil That s why this is a dangerous fight because Jamal is a bad man, and he s a dangerous dude He can knock out anybody for sure.
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Oh, it s gonna be a
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But so is Khalil.
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It s going to be violent, bro.
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Jamal gonna have to watch his kneecaps, bro.
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She s going to have to watch his legs, everything.
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And Khalil is also southpaw.
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So Jamal standing southpaw, you know, he likes that.
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Bro, that was horrific.
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That was horrific.
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I mean, he s just sidekick this shit out of his knee, just blew it apart, man.
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And that real controversial because a lot of people like, man, that ends your career.
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But it does.
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He s back.
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He s he s a fucking animal man.
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I mean he s so skillful and so Intelligent in his stand-up, and it s just like shit.
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It s super super high-level man.
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Oh look he tried to trust kick a guy in his body Yeah, he s done that before he s body kick guys stands up and body kicks him
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In Hawaii bro, I got into a I got to argument with a ref because one of our fighters like body kicked someone was down And they stopped the like they stopped the fight to give the kid a time and there s like I was like what are you doing?
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And he s like you can t body kick on the girls like you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head You can t body kick.
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You can t kick him to the body.
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You just can t kick him to the head.
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Yeah, it s like no you can t do that I was like
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What are you watching?
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You don t know the rules.
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Unless they modified the rules.
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Nah, bro.
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The rules hasn t modified, bro.
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So that s just bad referee.
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Yeah, I almost got a fucking point deducted from one of my boys.
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I was like, bro, I m so sorry, bro, but that was supposed to be a TKO.
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Yeah.
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You TKO d this kid, bro.
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That s ridiculous.
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That s just bad referee.
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I really think that the only problem with knees to the head on the ground and kicks to the ground is the cage.
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If there was no cage, no place where you couldn t move and someone could stomp you, all that shit should be on the table.
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Because these are valid techniques.
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If you can knee someone to the head in a clinch, if you could scissor knee someone like Pejeta did with mycolitis, if you could do that kind of shit, why can t you knee a guy to the head on the ground?
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And you know what it is bro, and and if you and if you do do that You know how much more of this like this safe area of people s playing with their hand the ground hand up you know how much more it people want to do that they re gonna go all the way to the ground or they re gonna
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Like fight intelligently and then they re gonna go instead of going down and playing that game, bro Having a moment where you re safer because of a rule is never a good thing.
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No, it s It s terrible.
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It changes the whole way you compete.
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Yeah, you ll do that You ll let a guy have your back and put your hand on the ground cuz you know, yeah his knees right there Yeah, and when in reality you got to get out of that spot.
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Yeah
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Yeah, you can t be there.
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You re dead.
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Same thing with being in a turtle.
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If you re in a turtle and a guy s like Mark Coleman in Pride can just drop those knees on your head.
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Remember they let him do that in Pride?
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So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head, which is a perfect time to knee them in the head.
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But then even that, because then when they do turtle, right, so say I m fighting someone and I see someone turtle,
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It s like half a second of them resting because I m thinking like shit now I got to be smart of where I m picking this and what I m doing, you know, like the back of the head rule 100% you know, but like if I can soccer kick you because you re doing that like that It s so easy to like boom.
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Oh see down there.
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I kick you right in your head.
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Yeah, like but I
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I don t know, bro.
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If you know that that s one of the options you won t stay in that position.
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Yeah The guy s not gonna be turtled, right?
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I guess even like guys are like taking knees knees down and they re like this on their ground on the ground already It s like they know what they re doing.
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Exactly.
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You know what you re doing, but that s so and then if I come in and do something wrong You get a takedown and you re on top down, right?
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Mad at aljamein when aljamein won the title from purity on pure hits with an illegal knee when he s down But that Lee that knee should be legal.
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Yeah, I shouldn t be able to be on your knees in a fight Yeah, I think so you re are you able to move if they re not stopping the fight?
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That means you can move even with the even with the even what you said you you you pulling at the elbow did told the six Yeah, I m like brother
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They, you, I didn t, I never know why they took it out, right?
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SPEAKER_00
And then you, you said, I think it s in one of your interviews a long time ago, you said they took it out because they saw a guy break ice with that, doing that, right?
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Yeah, break bricks on ESPN at 12 in the morning.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, guess what?
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That guy can break a brick with a headbutt?
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That guy can break a brick with turning the elbow this way?
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Yeah.
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That guy can break a brick, turn the elbow upwards?
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Yeah.
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And guess what?
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We can still throw that thing.
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So why, why are you taking that away from on the ground?
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Big John McCarthy told me that.
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It was just the people at the athletic commissions back in the day.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, you know, Big John had this unenviable role where he had to go to these places and explain to them that there s rules involved in MMA.
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And then you get morons like, what about this?
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SPEAKER_01
I saw someone do that and break a break.
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You can t do that.
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Okay.
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No 12 to six elbows.
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That s crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
That s crazy.
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It was a dumb ass rule.
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And that the only loss on John Jones record is because of that.
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Even that like even when I m on my back the 12 to 6 follow you right so I can t go like this like my back And then they re like yeah, but you can t go like this, but if you go like this I m like that s the same exact.
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This is the same exact thing Also, it s like especially this elbow.
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I don t feel like this elbow is as hard as this so no way, but this is not like
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Even if I m mounting you right like how John just mounted right mm-hmm like what you got to do You got to like crunch your abs like to get all in here.
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This is like I m going My whole shoulder my whole body is coming into yes There s so much more in that one And you can t have a thing where a guy can protect himself by doing that and then you can t throw that one technique That s crazy
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SPEAKER_01
That s crazy.
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That doesn t make any sense.
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There s a bunch of dumb rules like that, but I think the cage provides this problem for soccer kicks and stomps and knees on the ground.
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Yeah, because you re stuck.
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SPEAKER_00
It s like a wall, right?
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Yeah.
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It s like a wall, right?
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And I understand that, but guess what?
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Don t go to the fucking cage, dog.
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You know the cage is there, brother.
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You know what I mean?
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The cage is my buddy.
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I love the cage.
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Maybe they can have a rule where they say, like, no knees or stomps when a fighter s touching the cage.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that d be cool.
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SPEAKER_00
But then you re going to start seeing guys from the middle crawling their ass all the way to the cage now, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Right, right.
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SPEAKER_01
That s true.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, people are always going to try to change the system.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, as soon as you get a damn rule, people are going to game it all the time.
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And that s what it is.
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My thought, they should have a basketball court.
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Thought just guys should fight in the center of like an open flat place just like But just what they do for even for grappling matches, yeah, but guys are gonna fall over and then what s gonna happen Well, they don t don t have multiple matches going on like they do with with that don t have it on a platform Just have it on the ground.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, yeah Like have guys I mean, you know a while that would be we re all sitting there in the arena and there s no cage and these dudes just walk out in the center of this big open mat and
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, that d be crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, just have a warning zone.
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SPEAKER_00
It s not for me, though, because I love the cage, bro.
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SPEAKER_01
You love no cage, too, though.
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I just love the cage for takedown purposes.
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SPEAKER_00
Whenever somebody put me in, like, go to the cage.
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Cage is your friend.
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SPEAKER_00
A lot of guys don t like it because they think you re losing the fight, but like, ah.
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SPEAKER_00
It is what it is, but no cage.
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No cage would be smart though because what you said, I see what you re saying, but so much guys is gonna like get you to a point and they re gonna shoot so like, you know, like the Islams and the Khabibs, that kind of fighting style, they re gonna shoot so low because you don t have a cage and it s gonna keep driving you to
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SPEAKER_01
Forever land you know until you get hit and then you got a restart or whatever maybe but it may might stop a lot of takedowns Because it s gonna.
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It s gonna have a much more realistic Scenario instead of being able to charge up to a guy against the cage get your hands up against his butt lift him and take him Down where he can t he can t go anywhere.
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SPEAKER_01
It s back against the cage Khabib took so many guys down So many guys do that off the cage yeah?
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And if you got a guy who s gonna keep moving and push you away and keep moving and circle out, now you gotta take him down again.
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It could change the whole dynamic of fighting.
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SPEAKER_00
It could, it could.
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SPEAKER_00
Getting up is gonna be way harder.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s gonna be way harder.
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SPEAKER_00
I love the case for get-ups.
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I have another thought about that.
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I think if a guy takes you down at the end of the round, you start in that same position from round two.
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SPEAKER_00
You think so?
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SPEAKER_00
I d be pretty gangster.
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SPEAKER_00
Cause guys wouldn t be able to, guys wouldn t care.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, some guys just take it off like, ah, whatever.
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SPEAKER_00
You take me down, I m only going to be stand up anyway.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, you got to think it s a fight, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Or, or, or like even your rule, like if you re getting holed down from that last round, then you start from getting holed down, right?
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SPEAKER_00
That s the same rule, right?
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SPEAKER_01
That s what I think if like say if a guy takes you down, and he s got you mounted And it s the end of the first round.
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I feel like you start mounted in the second round.
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SPEAKER_00
That sounds crazy It sounds like you should start a fighting.
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It is a fight right.
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It s a fight.
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It s not five individual fights Yeah, so if you have a five round fight and every fight starts standing up for a guy like Pejeta.
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That s a massive advantage
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially after imagine he got tooken down and it just took his ass beaten for one round, you know?
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Now imagine Pejeta fights John Jones and they fight John Jones for the light heavyweight title at at You know five rounds John takes Pejeta down in the first round and at the end of the round John s got him mounted and Pejeta rides out the bell
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Well, the round starts round two with John Jones mounting them because it s one fight.
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It s not five fights So if you start a new fight now, you re starting standing up again, but you didn t you re not standing up Yeah fight is still going on.
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That s crazy.
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Put it back in the same spot Then they d have to change the whole judging to to to the whole fight like judging me
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Yeah, it should be I feel like it should be that way like yeah, why are we fighting rounds?
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You know I think pride had it right yeah pride had it right They judged the fight as a whole and they judged the end of the fight.
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It was more important.
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Yeah, who s winning?
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Yeah, if you are out boxing a guy, and there s no teachers around and then you know all of a sudden He takes you down And he starts beating your ass and putting you can t get up and then the ref or those teachers come and pull him off Everybody s gonna think that guy won the fight.
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Yeah, they re not gonna say yeah
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Yeah, but he s getting his ass whooped for standing up.
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Tom controlled him on the feet for three minutes.
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He only took him down for 30 seconds.
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Nobody gives a shit about that.
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They give a shit about who s winning at the end of the fight.
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Exactly.
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Bro, that would be... I mean, it s kind of cheat, you know?
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Favorite tits on my ass.
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That we stand on our feet every time.
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That s pretty cool, though.
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That would be pretty cool because now you would see guys fight much harder to get up now.
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So like if I m on my ground, I m on my back right and the the round like you see guys like Oh 30 seconds Well, it s the best I mean like I just hold on to you for 30 seconds in and now cuz I know in my mind like oh I m standing up, but we re gonna we re gonna come on standing But if if you tell me 30 seconds and holy shit new Ron, I m gonna start on my back I need to fucking get up, you know, I need to like create a scramble or something, you know So it s not so indefinite that we start here I think overall
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I think it changes the game.
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I think that s pretty cool.
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I like the idea.
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And what I like the idea about it, because it s much more like a real fight.
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So this is supposed to be the sport of real fighting, right?
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That s really what it is.
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Like, what works the best?
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That s what MMA is.
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And if you have limited techniques, like you can t use a knee to a downed opponent, you can t do this to a downed opponent, that fucks things up.
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And then if you have the cage, where the guy can use the cage,
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That fucks things up because the guy could use the cage to take guys down they could use the cage to stand back up So the cage becomes a factor and then you have the fact that every round starts standing up So if you you busted your ass to take this guy down Yeah, you took damage to get a hold of this guy you take down the first run You have 10 seconds to go in the first round
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You mount him, you re on top of him, horn blows, fuck.
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Now you gotta start standing up again.
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Now you gotta take him down, yeah.
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Imagine if Chael, against that Anderson fight, if he could ve came back from the ground every time.
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Right, crazy.
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It changes it, you know?
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It changes everything.
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I mean, he could ve got triangled sooner, or...
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I mean or he could have finished the guy, you know, you don t know, you know, this is a bunch of what-ifs But it s a bunch of lazy, you know, it s also taken into consideration that it is supposed to be one fight It s not supposed to be five fights, you know and like to have every fight start in the advantageous position for the striker when he didn t earn a getup and
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Yeah, yeah, after getting it, bro.
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I mean, we do it.
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They really kind of do that, right?
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Like when you re against the cage or something or something happened and they break you, they put you right back into that situation.
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So why would I?
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It s suck for strikers.
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You know strikers worldwide.
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I m sorry, but if this is a way to prove that you re the baddest man alive I ve signed me up for brother cuz I m here for if you take my ass down and And and and I use a I use a bell to get a spec to stand up That s kind of lame bro.
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We like you need to get your ass up.
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You know that you re not you re not gonna get your ass up in a fight that you would have lost under the current rules and
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Because you might start standing up in the second round and this dude says all right fuck this guy I m not gonna clinch with him now.
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I m gonna kick his calves.
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I m gonna move around you need to talk to somebody rather That d be pretty cool.
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What he listens to maybe maybe you see 400 they do something well I had all sorts of plans that they don t listen to me And I wouldn t listen to me either there.
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They got a great business.
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It s real successful.
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You can t make all these changes.
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That s ridiculous
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My other thing that I would say is you ve got to get rid of weight cutting and you can do it.
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It can be done with hydration tests and you ve got to give people more options for weight classes.
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They should have an option every 10 pounds minimum.
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Every 10 pounds would be good.
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I think with the weight cutting it would be fun without no weight cutting but then we see guys like other promotions and people are missing the hydration tests anyway so like people are still trying to do it.
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They re gonna get whatever you do.
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They re gonna gain it cuz somebody always is gonna look for the advantage no matter what it is But there s a way to do it where if you have a big organization like the UFC look think about what they do with drug fees drug-free sport now used to be USADA they ll find you wherever you are and give you a random drug test and
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Well, why can t they find you and put you on a fucking scale and hide and make get a hydration?
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Read on you and go make sure yeah, you re 172 pounds.
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Yeah, like you re not 145 pounds man.
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Yeah, you re 172 pound fighter So we re gonna you could probably healthy be healthy and fully hydrated 165 That s probably where you should fight.
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Yeah, unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot Yeah, like I ll actually lose a lot of weight like go running every day Don t eat don t eat
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It s funny cuz then a lot of people always ask me or even when I started dating my wife first She s like she when she like oh, you re that heavy.
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Why do you fight this?
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I m like I only do it cuz everybody else is doing this shit You know if we don t do it if I don t do it, then I ll fire one seven-year You know I go imagine my ass stepping in there fighting like like a Jose.
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I m not a Jose, but like a George st.
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Pierre right yeah, I
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Tomorrow tomorrow, you know, I mean Leon is a big boy huge.
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Yeah, so it s like it s like it s we everybody s do it cuz everyone s doing it exactly They have to do it cuz you but all those guys are 200 pounds all those 170 plus.
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Yeah, they re 200 Yeah, yeah, they re all those guys like Hamza.
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It s gigantic
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Hamza is not even 170 anymore.
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No, 185.
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I didn t know how he made 170, you remember?
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Bro, he s big, that s why.
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I wonder if he could have made it when New York pulled his card.
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Because the thing about New York is, they ve done stuff like that before.
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They wouldn t let you cut the weight when you were supposed to be fighting Khabib.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And Ally Acquinta took your place.
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Yeah, I m telling you, bro.
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That was just, that was unreal.
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Unfortunate, but like I said.
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You could have made that weight, though, I bet.
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Bro, 100%, bro.
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But the thing is,
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It was just stupidity.
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It was 10 days.
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I was with somebody doing my nutrition stuff at the end.
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He did a freaking interview.
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He said how much I was.
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I was super heavy.
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And the freaking commission saw it and they fucking was on my ass.
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I was like, bro, if you didn t say shit.
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We would ve been fine, you know?
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But that s what happened.
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People open your mind.
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That s why I love a tight-knit, small team, you know?
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It s like, nothing happens, nothing gets out.
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Anything happens, it s like, motherfucker.
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Yeah, you can t say that.
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Especially in New York.
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You could say it in Vegas.
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In New York, yeah.
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Vegas don t give a shit.
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And it was also in New York when they just started having fights.
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That s what I was saying, New York was stood against MMA.
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Like they stood against MMA, you know?
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And then that happened, and yeah, I remember, bro.
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Fucking guy came in, I looked sucked out of my life, and they were like, yeah, you re not fighting.
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How heavy were you?
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How much weight were you on?
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I was like three pounds off, bro.
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That s it?
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Yeah, and we had like a bunch, we had like, I still think we had like three hours left.
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Yeah, it was fine, you know, I think hums out they pulled him I don t know what he was when they pulled him then he started drinking water and then he waited 178 I believe that s crazy.
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Yeah, he was way over that s crazy, but I Wasn t excited about that fight who s he fight Diaz?
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Oh Nate.
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Yeah, I was like that is a Then what happened?
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Who did he fight?
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He fought somebody else, right?
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Nate fought Tony Ferguson.
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Yeah, and he fought Kevin Holland.
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Yeah, yeah, which is also Kevin Holland was preparing for someone else Yeah, yeah Roger guys.
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Who s a striker and then also he s fighting this insane wrestling And that s what happened with with the fake glove touch, and he took him down.
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Yeah Yeah Hamzat is who s he fighting next?
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Whittaker Robert that s right Robert.
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I m looking forward to that one if there if there is someone who can who can kind of Negate the the wrestling.
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I think it s Whittaker.
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Yeah, I think it s Whittaker, bro, and then Comes out is strong, but brother that that that that burns fight Like showed a lot like it showed a lot like if you can hit this guy and continue to hit him It s gonna be a fun fight
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And Kamaru Usman fight, because Kamaru was winning the third round.
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And he had 10 days to get ready for that fight.
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And when I tell everybody, like against a Cosmot, you know, like with a Cosmot with the wrestling, it s like, if you go pull up his fight, brother, if you go watch the Cosmot fight against Usman,
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The only time he takes down Usman is when Usman wrestles him back.
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When Usman is anti-wrestling, fighting his wrists, not letting him connect his hands, no takedowns.
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But as soon as Usman was like, okay, I m just going to wrestle back, and he starts to grab the stomach and stuff, you get taken down, you get picked down.
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I m like, brother,
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She s anti-racist guy used beating him in the streaking too, but I think it was also tomorrow Didn t know what his cardio was like like yeah, so he had to just wasn t prepared to go full out and Hums I knew that so hums I put that grappling pressure on him immediately to try to wear him out.
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Yeah Crazy, I don t like those 10-day fights, man.
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It s got it.
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It s shady cuz no one s gonna talk about the 10 days and
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You know what I mean?
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Unless you re Tom Aspinall.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right?
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So Tom Aspinall takes it on like 11 days and he knocks out Pavlovich and he becomes the interim title holder.
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Exactly.
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But then, even with that, they re just gonna say the interim.
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He won the interim.
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They re not even talking about the day.
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Everybody would bring up the 10.
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Even with the Vogue fight.
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It s like, oh yeah, Vogue is this, Vogue is that, but then, oh he got knocked out from this guy and then he got knocked out again.
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I m like, yeah, but he got knocked out on 10 days, brother.
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It s crazy.
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People keep forgetting about that because they don t give a shit.
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Forget about that also because if you go back before that second fight with Islam Volk is Considered to be the number one pound-for-pound guy in the world and and and many believe that they thought he won the fight Yeah, I mean I thought it was real close, but I watched it like three or four times I m like I think there was like one round where you you I think it s a second round where it s up in the air you like I think
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But again, at the end of the fight, he s on top of Islam, and he s pounding on him, which was just nuts to see.
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Crazy, bro.
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Nuts to see.
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To think a 45-er who was going to come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his weight class, it was insane, bro.
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He s a legend, bro.
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He s a legend.
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But that s why it sucks to take a 10-day fight, and then you get KO d.
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One of the worst ways to get KO d.
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Brother, and then, and then, bro, I m in the back.
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I m in the back.
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I don t know if you guys saw this clip, but I m in the back.
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and and UFC is doing this promo thing right after the i think so it was no not after it was before i don t know it was before one of the fights but they re doing the promo clip when i was warming up and i was watching the fight they did this clip and they re showing like all the old clips they show Volk walking out yeah and then the next clip is side by side and he s getting knocked out by by two guys i was like
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What the fuck?
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I was like, damn, this game sucks.
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What a shitty turn of events.
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I was like, oh, look, Volk.
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And then the fucking next two clip is side by side of him.
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His only two is two knockout losses.
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And I m like, wow, this shit is heartless, bro.
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This game ain t for the weak, bro.
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No, it s heartless.
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This game is not for the weak.
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It s heartless how quickly your life can turn around if you re a guy like Volk.
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You go from being the man to being dismissed.
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Uh-huh.
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You know?
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To being like, oh, yeah.
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Like cuz like Delia didn t want to grant him a rematch He didn t want to fight nobody in the top fucking 15 brother.
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Well, who does he want to fight brother himself?
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I don t know
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Myself bro, what the hell is going on, but this guy this guy brother this this is the man, bro This is the guy we re dealing with bro.
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This is the guy we dealing with so we had a we had a Bible verse off on Twitter Everybody s like saying freaking 10-8 Holloway because the verse I used against him and then and then he writes and I don t say nothing That s all I said and he writes like a freaking Paragraph bro to me like I didn t even read it That s how long it was
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He writes a paragraph to me, brother.
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I didn t even read it, and I was just tripping out.
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I was like, it was like an angry girlfriend text, you know?
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Like, my wife don t even text me like that.
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So I was like, I read the first sentence, I was like, I m not reading this, bro.
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What the hell is going on with you?
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You know, but I don t know what s going on.
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I love that you didn t read it.
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Brother, I don t know what s going on, bro.
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I was like, I read the first sentence, and then I saw you at the scrolls, I was like, what the fuck?
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Did I make my wife mad?
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I had to make sure that wasn t her, you know?
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Like, what the hell?
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That s hilarious.
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That s funny.
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Yeah, I don t know who he wants to fight next, but I mean, I guess he feels like he s the champ, he can call the shots, but I know that he turned down the Perth one, the 305, the Volkanovski rematch.
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Oh, yeah?
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Yeah.
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The question is, like, if you re in Volkanovski s corner, let s say this now, because we can say it now, right?
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Because we couldn t say it after the first Islam fight, but you take a fight like the Islam fight, you get KO d.
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Bad.
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Head kick.
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You chill, bro.
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And, yeah.
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You chill for how long?
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At least six months with no stuff and I m like maybe you could have sparring Yeah, yeah, and then he could have came back on 300.
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Yeah, he could have headlined 300, bro You know, I mean like yeah, you could have been I would have told you see like hey look, bro I did you guys a solid you did me solids very much
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Let me rest my head.
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Let s say this is horrible.
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Maybe I we ve on 300.
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I feel like the UFC should tell him that too.
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Yeah, you know I think it was I think they was you know, cuz then cuz then I was like telling Tim them like brother like if you need somebody let me know like let like tell you see that no and you see came back and said like
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This crazy mother ever wants to fight.
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You know what I mean?
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So I think so I think it s him and his team and even with his team like even with um, but he s such a property Yeah, he s so important.
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Yeah to risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Makachev Yeah, and then and then like you can mentally
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and physically say you re ready, right?
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But then something wasn t right, you know?
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Like, go watch, this guy s a rugby player, you know?
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I played him three times, and this guy s head is always head first.
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Like, he s always like, I fought him three times, brother.
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And like, he, like, it s accidental, it s not hard, but he s like a rugby guy, so his head is always coming in, you know?
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Like, we always, me and him, like, head-butted a couple times.
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It is, like, not big ones, not like career-changing ones, but it s just, his head is forward.
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He s a rugby guy, he s in that huddle shit, right?
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Tell me why when he fights this fight.
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He s like being uncharacteristic and like kind of throwing and then going back, you know, so it s like It was just a different, you know, I don t want to I m not taking compromise Yeah, I m not taking nothing away from me like it is what it is.
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He fought he fought bokeh a perfect time but like
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If you can, if somebody can look me in the eyes, dead in the eyes, and be like, bro, that was the same Volk that s been doing this thing at 45, I will call you a dead-ass liar, brother.
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I ll be like, you re a serial killer because you re a psychopath if you think that s the same man.
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You get compromised by knockouts.
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There s no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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The question is, how much time do you give yourself to recover and can you get back to 100%?
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I don t think you can get back to 100% from a head kick knockout in a few months.
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No, bro, and then you have to do some sparring to get ready for in that game.
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They spar.
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And that s the thing.
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And yeah, and city kickboxing is great, you know what I mean?
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Eugene is a great coach.
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Eugene s a genius.
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And I m sure Eugene was probably in his year, you know what I mean, in Thailand.
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But then again, it s just...
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Well, he s a dominator.
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He knows how to win.
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But you can t run a race with a bad suspension.
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You gotta let that thing heal up.
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But then, sometimes you re just your own enemy, you know what I mean?
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He probably wanted that erased in his mind, thinking that, like, this, no, I m gonna come back here, I m gonna do this, and this is just gonna be forgotten.
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Take out this young buck.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dominate my division.
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I m still the GOAT.
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But it just happens, because what if he goes out there and he did get it done, you know what I mean?
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That would have been amazing, right?
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And we all would have been wrong, but then for head injury rise, like I said earlier in our conversation with Justin, like Justin is taking six months off of that, you know what I mean?
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Bro, like six months at least no contact.
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It s chill, but like this guy, you probably got a good frickin nice payday for that second Islam fight, even the first Islam fight, you know?
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So, you do favors for USC, they take care of you, you know?
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I ve been with this company for a real long time, so I know this stuff, so it s like...
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He should I I feel like selfishly he should just rest.
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I feel like you have to protect you have to protect the champion Not even as a fighter bro like as a person like you know I shared the octagon this guy I d like to call him my freaking arch nemesis people like to make things, but I like him as a person brother He s a father to beautiful daughters, and I mean he got a family so like bro.
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Just take your time off you know enjoy go go go with them do that you know and
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It happens, though.
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Sometimes we are our own worst enemies, you know what I mean?
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And being in his shoes, I couldn t say, because if that happened to me, I would want to be like that, like, fuck this.
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I want to go kill this kid.
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Let me go kill this kid and remind people, and then that should happen.
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But you have to have people close to you that can stop that.
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That s good.
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And he does, bro.
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But at the end of the day, maybe he just trumped him.
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Maybe he had a trump card, and he was like, look, I listened to you guys before, but trust me, I got this.
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And how do you not believe?
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A guy like him, you know?
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He had an iron chin before that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Iron chin.
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Brother, you see the size of his head, brother?
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He takes a shot.
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But the fact that Tapuria put him out with one shot.
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Part of me was like, damn.
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And absolutely, Tapuria is a knockout striker.
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He has beautiful boxing.
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Beautiful form.
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His technique is outstanding.
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His power is tremendous.
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No doubt about it, he can knock anybody out.
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But it s the way it happened and that...
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That the shying away that we were talking about earlier was perfect shot, bro.
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He just did it Yeah, I put his head down.
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Yeah, he knew he said it s gonna be there put his head down Yeah swings, and that s what the boy does, but he swings when he swings he swings all his money And it s and it s nice technique.
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It s not like wild swinging on his mind He s swinging all his might tech technique wise knowing that like analyzing like your head is probably gonna be here I m just gonna throw it at all you know the Jai Herbert one was amazing.
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Yeah, that was that was one after the head kick He knocked him out in the second round to come back
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That s 155.
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Yeah, you know he s a small 155.
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Yeah, it s not the really the weight class for him.
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Yeah 45 he s perfect But it s just I mean he could fight at 55 to make no mistake about it Just like you did go up correctly, but Jai Herbert is a long tall long dude.
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Yeah, he s long I feel like for a fighter like Alexander Volkanovsky he s like a legacy
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He s a guy that s like, he s a legend.
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He s one of the most dominant champions in any division.
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And for a guy like that, you gotta kinda know the mindset, but don t let him do something.
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Off the wall.
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Off the wall, right?
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Don t take a fight with Makachev on 10 days notice when you haven t been training, you ve just been drinking.
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Drinking, yeah.
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And hanging out.
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I know you think you can do it, and maybe you can do it, but you probably... Yeah, shooting, right?
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You re not gonna be 100%.
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And that s the tough thing, you know?
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It s like...
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I hate when like you know he said that and then things happen and then they talk about what s going on it s like brother like just give the man his due you know you took the fight you know what you did why the hell why the hell I gotta tell you what I was doing this whole time you know like at the end of the day I ll just be like well he s just a better knight you know I
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With a lot of fighters like the most irritating thing there s two things that irritate me about fighters bro sore losers and in sore winners bro like people that win and still talk like oh this this and this I m like you won the damn fight so what like why are you telling us all this shit you know like I hate guys who do that so and I and I hate that s like I m whenever you you see me lose or you see me win but I give nothing but respect to the next guy because I don t know what they ve been going through I don t know
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What kind of obstacles they had to do because I know what all because I had to I m not gonna say shit But if you want to say stuff like even just like just anything bro.
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He s finally doing He s doing all kind of media now, and probably he just saying max a dog.
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You know congrats to him You know I d yeah, we went out there fight like you know even with him people trying to be like oh You lost your title shot like how do you feel like oh?
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Don t care.
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That s a BM.
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That s a BMF, but Justin is wired different.
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Yeah, we wired different Yeah, I mean like a lot of us fighters like even people tell me why are you doing this bro?
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I m wired different, but I want to fight the best guys.
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You know that s just it I want to fight the best guys in the world if you guys think this is the best guy Why do you think I ve been calling DC s badass out for so long?
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He s the best guy brother I fight him and DC and then DC had the audacity fight week to tell me if he made 45 I was better brother you make 45 I m killing you right now it s a fight but if DC you try to make 45 I m going to kill
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But right now it s a fair fight because you re so heavy.
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He d have to chop both his legs off and he still wouldn t make 45.
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He d have to do so much.
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He looked like Mr. Potato Head.
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Can you pull your body apart like Mr. Potato Head?
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Come on.
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I think DC could have made 85.
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I think he could have.
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When he was 205 he was never mean.
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I think he could have.
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If he really wanted to.
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But he loved food, bro.
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No, imagine that guy at 85 good lord.
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Oh my gosh.
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That d be his that d be his normal weight class He d actually be the height wise of people at 85 errs I mean there there is some tall 85 is gonna get me wrong, but he oh him and heavyweight brother He s like I know he gets dwarfed.
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It s crazy.
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Oh
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Brother, he s dwarfed, that s insane that he fought at heavyweight.
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I know, and he won.
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I won!
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And he knocked out Stipe.
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Stipe, the heavyweight GOAT that people consider, he knocked him out, bro.
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Crazy.
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But then you see in the second fight, he s really not a heavyweight.
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And then you see in the third fight, it s not right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can tell but he just he was just he just loves to eat, but he s a Louisiana boy, brother He loves those he loves those little They re they re freaking when they make their pots their cry boils and stuff, but it s gonna be interesting though to see someone at 85 That s that caliber of wrestler like so someone who s of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and then gets into the 185 pound division and
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Has the same kind of punching power is there anyone that that is there not that weight class not in the UFC No, is there some real good?
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Like a like a like a Olympic wrestler to or no he s that he was that caliber He was that caliber, but Bo nickel you know he ll tell you he s got a lot of work to do like he was very upset
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With his last fight.
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Oh, yeah, crazy.
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That s crazy.
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I saw that But you know Cody Brundage is good and he gave him some troubles and yeah, he gave him some trouble standing up You know, he s gonna have a real hard time with the elite strikers at that weight class if they have good takedown defense But his wrestling is a far above and beyond most people in that division Yeah, but then that s the but that s the beauty of our sport, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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That is the beauty of us, but I never did any type of wrestling
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And I feel like I could wrestle with the best of them in an MMA fight.
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You know what I mean?
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I m even crazy enough to be like, bro, I ll go wrestle you at a wrestle practice.
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I don t give a shit.
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What s the worst you re gonna do?
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You re gonna ragdoll me?
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Okay, perfect.
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That s what you re supposed to do.
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But what happens when you don t?
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And I make it at wrestling and you re like, holy fuck, this guy s actually pretty good, you know?
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So at the end of the day, that s why you just gotta be great.
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That s why I love MMA, bro.
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And one punch, one kick, one knee, one elbow, one takedown, you know what I mean?
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Like even takedown, like how much time you take someone down, your shoulder land in their stomach, change the whole fight.
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They re like, oh, oh, oh, you re breathing hard, brother?
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What s going on there, you know?
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You just, you start laying on guys, it s a, that s why MMA is beautiful, bro.
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You don t know what is going on, you know?
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You don t know what s gonna go on, and it s, it s, so many different things can happen.
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How about that Zhang Weili-Yan Xiaonan fight?
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Oh, crazy, bro, we was watching it in the back.
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They re good, bro.
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When Yan Xiao Nan decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round like when the bell rang and Zhang Weili lets go of her and she s like, what is happening?
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And she goes right back to her corner and like, is that legal?
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She s out.
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She was out cold at the end of the first round.
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I didn t see that part, oh man.
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Bro, she was out cold.
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Can we see that clip?
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Yeah, out cold.
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I want to see that clip, that s crazy.
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She was out cold.
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But that s insane, right?
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She wouldn t tap.
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That s insane cuz I just saw I just saw a lot of like I didn t see that part But then I saw like the second maybe the third running on and like it was battling bro.
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Oh, they were battling.
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It was a crazy fight man.
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Yan Chaonan is a beast.
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She s good, man.
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She s good.
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She s so gangster the fact she wouldn t tap
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Fully locked in, rear naked choke, goes to sleep.
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These guys is like, I don t dishonor my family, bro.
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They next level, bro.
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Next level.
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These guys are, they re warriors, bro.
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People don t understand.
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A lot of these out-of-country fighters, bro, they re insane, bro.
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It s insane when you see an outside fighter, like an out-of-country fighter quit.
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Because a lot of them don t.
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They come from almost like, you know, like Charleston, they come from the slums.
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And China, they come from places where it s like,
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You almost get bred into being a fighter, you know, like this is what you re gonna do.
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This is it like shopcott.
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Yeah Yeah, rock went off.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, crazy beast crazy, bro Apparently he fought that fight with like a broken foot or something.
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It s something wrong with him this last fight Yeah, i m not sure with wonder boy.
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That s why he took him down.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, bro Yeah, that guy bro.
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Oh my god.
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He s he couldn t strike because he had something wrong even when he fought uh, neil yeah
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What What is his name?
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What is Jeff Neal?
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Yeah, Jeff Neal, bro And he freaking said who does that to him, but you know how strong gotta be to do that to Jeff Jeff Neal Jeff Neal s 200 pounds that night.
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They say mm-hmm Good he gained 30 pounds, bro.
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Yeah
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Yeah, oh shit, bro.
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That guy is weird strong, bro.
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They just I know it doesn t look it No, no, but to squeeze someone s neck off like that or standing standing.
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That s like one hook in that was like a There s almost like a bully like a bullet.
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I got you say uncle, you know, like that s crazy.
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That s insane in my mind I was looking at that way like that is insane and how you do it to kneel kneel is a tough son of a gun, bro He any punches hard and he landed hard shots Okay
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No, I took you it s a wild time for talent.
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There s so many guys brother and and you know, it is cool It s it s a wild time for talent and it s it s in every weight class, you know Like how certain weight classes like ah, yeah, they got you know this and that whatever but it s like in almost every weight class So here it is.
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This is the end of the round.
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So y all shall none is Fully out here.
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Oh, yeah.
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He s got look at it s a perfect rear naked
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She s fully out, like out, cold right now, bell rings, lets her go, out cold.
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Lucky she woke up.
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She don t know what the fuck s going on.
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Whoa, I did not know that.
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Yeah, she was out.
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Out.
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So if you watch the release.
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Oh, she s dead.
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She s dead in like 12 seconds.
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Yeah, if you watch the release.
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I mean, that is a fully locked.
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Look at that.
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Seven seconds, she go out.
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Look at the palm placement to the back of the head.
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I mean, she s doing it perfectly.
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Okay, five seconds.
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Right there.
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She s out.
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Out.
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So look at her hands are completely limp.
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So she s out.
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And the referee puts his hands on her.
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She gets up.
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And she s like, what?
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What s going on?
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She literally doesn t know where she s going.
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To the death.
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To the death.
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To the death.
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To the death.
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Yeah.
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Woof.
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Woof.
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Woof.
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Imagine you got to fight someone like that.
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That s next level, bro.
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That s a BMF.
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Yeah.
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You know what s wild about that BMF?
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When somebody asked Dana, Dana was like, uh, they re like, oh, what about the BMF?
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Are you gonna make it for, uh, girls?
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And Dana was like, the BMF is for whoever.
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I was like, wait, what the fuck?
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I was like, what, Dana?
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You can t be saying, yeah, exactly.
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He s like, anybody can fight for the BMF.
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I was like, Dana, you can t.
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Why does that mean?
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You can t be telling me.
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Kayla Harris is gonna try to challenge you for the BMF.
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Let her fight a 55 again.
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You can t be saying that shit, Dana.
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What the hell is going on?
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Yeah, that was ridiculous.
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Don t say that.
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Don t say that.
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Yeah, that s crazy.
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They might have a female BMF one day.
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I should, bro.
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Lee s up there.
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John is up there.
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But you can t be a motherfucker if you re a girl.
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What do you call it, BDF?
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Well, I guess you could if it s a lesbian, wins it.
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Oh my god, that s terrible.
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I guess.
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Yeah, yeah, you re not wrong.
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I mean, what are we saying?
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I mean, obviously, a motherfucker is a different thing.
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But if you didn t understand our language, and you said, the baddest motherfucker?
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Like, what?
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They d be looking at you, what is this?
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Yeah, right.
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Other countries that have to translate the BMF, they re like, what are they saying?
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Yeah.
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Bro, I forgot we was fighting for the BMF too, you know when when when Rufus I never ever got a new brother I don t know if you I I think I told you before I never got an end Yeah, so when I won the when I won the interim title, right it was like and now so when I big Pettis and then when I fought although
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It was and now.
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Again, I was like, bro, you owe me an and new.
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So I never ever got the and new.
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I gave Bruce like a hard time about it.
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And then I got my and new now, but I was tripping out when I was going there and I was like in there waiting.
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I was like, what the fuck is Bruce taking so long?
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Didn t I just see the knockout whether I wanted to say I won or get my hand raised.
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And then he was like, and new undisputed BMF.
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I was like, oh, I was like, oh shit.
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Yeah.
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I was like, oh yeah, finally got it.
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But we need an undisputed and new song.
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So are you in a holding pattern now?
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How does it work like in terms of what what happens for you in the future?
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We see what happens, man.
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We see what happens.
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I mean, we re... So you see what happens in New Jersey.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We see what happens in New Jersey.
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I couldn t tell you, to be honest.
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All I know is Dana White pulled my ass after the fight.
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I m like, brother, things are about to change.
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So I m waiting.
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I m waiting for the change, Dana.
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Let us know.
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We ll be sitting.
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We re waiting right now.
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They gave me like a 30 day no contact.
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You know, like the normal thing that they do after a fight.
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A lot of people don t know that.
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Everybody s like, what does it mean, 30 days?
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Are you OK?
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I m like, brother, this is just regular stuff that we got to rest after a fight.
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So I m doing that right now.
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Me and Tim, they didn t hit us about anything, really.
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You know, like I said, Ilya writing paragraphs over to us on Twitter.
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That s another thing.
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What did he say?
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Can I see what he said?
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I didn t even know what he said.
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I want to see what he says.
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I don t even think you re going to read through the whole thing, too, bro.
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You might read half of it and just stop reading.
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He s an interesting guy.
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He says he gets drunk the week of the fight like the night before the weigh-ins.
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I saw that he drinks wine to make weight.
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You get a buzz, you relax.
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Good for him.
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If it works, he never missed a weight.
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That s awesome.
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Guess you could do it look dehydrating yourself to make weight is horrible for you.
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Yeah, you re already doing that.
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I don t think Whether I finish you by kale or submission I just beat the guy that beat I was doing math not one exact twice but three times You know have one thing that keeps you relevant and that would grant you a money fight the BMF belt I no longer fight for money, but for legacy already
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He s already fighting for a legacy.
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No longer fighting for money.
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He got gifted an Ashton Morton or something that I saw.
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Somebody told me.
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Winning that belt while holding my title will cement me as the first.
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The first to hold both belts.
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The first to knock out Volk in what most certainly will happen when we fight.
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The first one to put you to sleep.
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Something to calm you down is this God doesn t shame anyone.
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You will have a worthy defeat against a champ Wow, this is like Roman shit.
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You ll have a road worthy defeat against a champion who will be remembered for eternity I decide who when and where if you don t like the terms, I m sure Ortega will oblige Right now how s Ortega like
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Even right then the way he just beat a year right, but he s like away for like three years And I didn t see him calling for a shot.
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I m like Yeah, one fight against a year.
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Yeah, you re just lost against Volk.
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Yeah, yeah Yeah years Wild I love watch that dude fight like that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport brother if he if they re like jabs brother he can
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There s like a switch bro if he flips it.
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He s gonna be like way more like he s a scary dude already mm-hmm but there s a there s a switch that he just needs to flip it and he s gonna start figuring out and like It s gonna be problem.
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He s caught a problem, bro when I m on away.
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You know it s funny cuz when I fought him I
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I think that was the best year that anybody ever saw when we fought in the Apex.
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So there s fighters that I feel like when you go in front of a crowd, they re not fighting to their full capacity.
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And then there s some fighters when you fight Apex where it s like in the gym, they just gonna shine.
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Yair is like when we fought there and I hit him with a couple shots and before like you d see him get hit a couple shots in different fights and kind of like weather away and be like oh yeah whatever and like the fight this you know kind of like get in there and then almost like gets finished because of the fights not going his way or whatever right and I was hitting with some shots and I was just thinking in there like
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Just quit what what are you doing?
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Like why are we making this so much harder?
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You know, you re making this fight so hard I have to take his ass down.
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I was like, what are we doing here brother?
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Why what where the hell did this fucking superhero year come out of you know, but uh, well you
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Yeah, you re you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight right so yeah, you re gets dominated by Frankie Edgar on the ground And then you get yeah, you re 2.0 after that and it s much better to take down defense really good at submitting guys off his back It s just like more of these fights.
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He s still a young guy.
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He s young bro Yeah, yeah, you re still hasn t reached his potential yet, but when it comes to kicks that dude nobody He s the best kicker in the sport.
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I think like I said bro nose-to-nose brother
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We re like right here, POW!
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I was like, whoa, whoa!
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Bro, there s a clip of me, like, he kicks through my hand, I was like, what the?
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I never see him too, I was like, this motherfucker s so fast.
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Bro, he hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick.
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Brother, crazy, yeah.
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Crazy, bro.
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360 roundhouse kick on Legend.
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Crazy, bro.
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Crazy.
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Bro, I m telling you, bro, like I said, he s gonna be a problem, bro.
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There s one switch that he s gonna flip, it s gonna see, and I m gonna...
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And if you re a guy who likes to stay on the outside and you fight that Oh my god, you gotta change everything because those kicks his kicks is like jabs.
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Like you said, mm-hmm, you know, he got kicks yet spinning shit Yeah, he got if I can he got hell elbows, but he got everything he told Elvis to be it So even when I was fighting him, bro Like we knew he s gonna try stupid up Elwood places and I get fucking caught by I m like what the fuck like why?
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I knew it was coming and it hit me.
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I was like, bro, what is going on?
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This guy is so freaking, he s just, he s out of the box.
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He s so dynamic.
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He s out of the box, bro.
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And you can t find a guy that s gonna spar like him.
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Bro, nobody s wild, because nobody s willing to take chances.
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It s good, because when we were sparring for him, like I said, we wouldn t really hit guys.
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Look at this guy, bro.
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Look at this guy.
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Josh Emmett, yeah.
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Bro, those kicks.
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Body kick.
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And he does that too, that left kick and then that right overhand punch.
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Bro, those kicks are coming from everywhere.
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Look at this.
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I mean that that left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Josh Emmett s a scary motherfucker though.
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Woof.
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That knockout of Bryce Mitchell.
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Oh my God.
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That was crazy.
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That dude, he s got hammers for fists.
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Yeah, bro.
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He s one of those guys, yeah.
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But he s one of them load up dudes.
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Everything s coming for death.
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Every shot s death.
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It s death.
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Yeah, I know.
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That s why.
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When him and Jeremy fought, the two hammer dudes, brother, when they meet, they collided, you know?
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That was a crazy fight.
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That was a crazy fight.
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Yeah, I saw somebody claim that.
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As I talk about Jeremy because I saw somebody claim that Josh was like the hardest-hitting 45-year-old in Germany like what someone say something He s a bad man Stevens had some crazy no crazy.
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We re in dot Rafael dos Anjos.
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Oh, yeah five.
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Yeah, yeah, Jeremy can crack
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He s a wild dude.
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It s a crazy sport man.
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I mean, there s there s really nothing like it in terms I mean, I mean, I know I m biased but in terms of excitement in terms of like when you go to You want to be entertained?
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Yeah, go watch some fights Oh, bro, for sure, you know, you know, it s funny because like a lot of people they can they can
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Almost like put themselves in a fight because we all fought it is in our DNA like we all fought some point in our life like even if it wasn t like Like a fight fight like you fought your siblings you fought your cousin.
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So everybody know that feeling like oh, this is nuts This is crazy, you know So you had that feeling in you of like fighting you to say that you didn t fight your cousin or even your friend like even if there s a little slap fight whatever and you guys hugged it out after like you fought somebody and
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at some moment in your life and that s what draws it and you can feel the emotion and then when guys get into it they re like, oh man I would ve did this, do that, do this, I m like, yeah okay, then you get into a fight, you see guys like this, like what?
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What the hell is all this stuff you re talking about?
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Most people like grossly underestimate their abilities.
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Brother.
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But that s the game, you know, and that s why everybody loves it because it s so entertaining cuz it s like, oh my gosh Yeah, you know, but then it s like almost sometimes some guys is just like just post hoping themselves I m like brother don t do that.
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You know, you know like guys guys calling out like deep calling out Demetrius and then I caught it on my mouse and then they showed it my most like rolled up that guy and his you get to turn around like brother and
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And even when we talk about this fake, like, oh, in a street fight, when everybody s like in a street fight, like, I m whatever, 300 pounds of strength, bro, in a street fight, I ll kick you right in the dick.
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The first thing I m doing I m gonna.
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I m gonna kick you right in the baby maker.
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I m gonna gouge your eyes I ll bite your ear off with this is a street fight, but I ll have a gun I ll shoot you who cares I m gonna win in a street fight You know like no rules brother like come on the idea that if you give a guy no rules all sudden becomes lethal is so Why what
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What?
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You re not going to scare me?
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I was real angry when I would talk to karate guys and they d say, your stuff is good for sport, but what we do is for the street.
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I d be like, what are you talking about?
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Like, that is the dumbest thing you could ever say.
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You re practicing street techniques?
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Is that what you re practicing?
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Did you not watch USC1 karate?
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There s so many people that just want to that s the beautiful thing about MMA as well and all Martial arts is that the training humbles you oh, yeah the reality of it humbles you no But you notice the most hilarious ones is when it does it like you see these guys troll They call me to get their ass kick, and they re back on.
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Oh, yeah, just to kick your ass That was just one day.
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You know watch when I started I m like
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Brother, but that wasn t it.
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The conversation was saying you could kill me now, you know?
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That s just delusional.
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It s just funny.
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Some guys, they need to do some study on their brains.
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It would be amazing.
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Well, there s so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting, but when they get to a championship level, what I try to explain to people, did you understand the kind of human being that s capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all?
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That s a rare person.
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Yeah, that s insane.
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Lot of things that had to fall into place to make a max Holloway.
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Yeah, a lot of things for sure Yeah, you know and you re just like a peace-loving like easygoing guy real friendly.
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I love it confused.
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Yeah Yeah, that s a confused.
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There s a monster inside their head.
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You know, it s funny.
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So I
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When we was training, this was a while back when we was training at our old gym Some guys would come visit my head coach Ryan Lazar and then he he he and I m around like wrestlers So these guys like stack, you know wrestler bodies, they re a stack big small whatever and I m just a little skinny kid You know, this is when I was starting my UFC career
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skinny kid if you look at the pictures like no chest have an ass you know I look like a dork you know I next to this guy had some tattoos and then they asked him and he had asked him oh he was like if I told you you had to you had to fight one of these guys you had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym who would you fight and who would you choose and then the guy chose me he s like oh you chose wrong because that guy would kill you
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All these other guys you might have a chance cuz they might take you down and hold you down maybe ground upon you But that guy s gonna just straight kill you in any any way you could find so yeah looks can be looks can be deceiving brother looks like I said I love I love harassing DC, but that guy looked like a bag of potatoes brother And he was a double champ and number one pound for bond in the world brother.
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It s not looks right It s a mindset, and it s what you re gonna do well Fedor
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Fedor too, yeah, holy shit.
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Best example of that.
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Always had a muffin top.
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Brother.
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Always.
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Always just stood there.
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He could probably make 205.
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Oh yeah, easy.
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Easy, bro.
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He might be able to make 85.
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Fedor walked around at about 235 pounds.
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Yeah, I think so one time he was like 230, 225.
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Yeah, fat.
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Fat.
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Never was ripped.
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Never was ripped.
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Fucked everybody up.
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Fucked everybody up.
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crazy bro crazy and then crazy it was crazy how dan hendel did him like that like this is late but like for dan hendel to do that at any point in their career is insane bro i know dan hendel is a man but he s a bad motherfucker if he was around during the bell he d be one of the guys fighting for bell too oh yeah he s a bmf bro
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True.
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Oh, he s here his logo like I was like, oh you look so good.
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He s looking so good I love I love this being but bro, I know that s iconic It s iconic and that that knockout of fade or is iconic too.
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Cuz he s how is he fighting him at heavyweight?
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What are you doing?
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No, why are you why are you fighting fade or at heavyweight?
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Who the fuck?
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And he kills Under punch.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, it s not a back door.
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It s taped on the ground and hit him in an uppercut.
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Oh Yeah, he was a monster man.
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Dan Henderson was a bad man.
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Oh bad man in the early days I mean, he s a pioneer.
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I mean that guy is fighting in MMA in the 90s Mother what 90 cuz I wasn t I was born in the one.
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Yeah
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Yeah, he was fighting MMA before you were born.
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Brother, crazy.
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And you guys were in the same era.
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That s insane.
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Crazy.
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That s insane, yeah.
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Crazy.
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Holy, I never looked at it that way before.
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Yeah, man, because your era started when you were 20 years old, right?
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Yeah.
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And while you re fighting, Dan Henderson was the man.
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Yeah.
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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Crazy, and he was fighting before you were even conceived.
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Yeah.
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Years before you were conceived.
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I wasn t even a thought.
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Not even a thought.
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You were in another dimension, waiting.
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Any day now.
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Yeah.
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Come on, pops.
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When the hell am I going to win this race?
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Let s go.
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And now here you are.
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Listen man you I m it s beautiful for me as a fan of you and as a friend to see this renaissance and to see People just giving you your due and you know That s a thing that happens when a guy loses a couple of fights.
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They just they sleep around You know we were talking about it during the walk.
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I m like max is only 32 years old you have to understand He s in his prime right now like this is this is a guy who keeps getting better every time we see him and
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And they counted you out, man, and you came up big.
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As big as anybody ever has.
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I had to do something, brother.
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I was just, I don t know.
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Shout out to Dana, Hunter.
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Shout out to Sean Shelby, bro.
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Behind the scenes, Sean Shelby know what he did for this fight.
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He s the man, bro.
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He s the man.
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Those guys are great.
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Him and Nick are the best.
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Yeah.
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I couldn t, I couldn t, bro.
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Just wrapping your head around, bro, just to have that fight at UFC 300, bro.
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UFC 300 was huge all around.
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You know it was a big card and then to get that finish, like a lot of people are saying it s the movie type finish against Justin Gaethje, a guy who s supposed to, you said it best, outgun me, too big, too strong.
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Was supposed to fucking Tony 2.0 me, whatever the hell that means.
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How much of a favorite was he at fight time?
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Brother, when I fight them, he still was 2 to 1, I believe.
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He was like 2 to 1.
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I think so it opened at like 260, and then I think so he closed at like 230.
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I might be wrong, but then people told me it was like still 2 to 1.
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I m just happy, you know.
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A lot of my fans, they don t really get me.
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I m an underdog, so you know.
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Thank you for rocking with me for many years, you know.
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There it is.
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Well.
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It was the biggest challenge of your career, and it was the best performance I mean you were you were on point man Thank you the strategy the movement everything that jump spinning back kick because DC kept saying like this is a new skill like the way He s lazy.
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He s not my friend, bro
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I ve been doing this from like my third UFC fight ever you have but it was way better now Yeah, oh, yeah, it s way better now.
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Yeah, it s like it s it s like anything right like it s going to get better I kept we kept practicing it well like like you said you bro You know how devastating this kick is that kick can change even if you if you if you land it on the liver Mm-hmm, you re gonna even if it doesn t hurt it.
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It s gonna like longevity.
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It s like I like saying what Teddy Atlas say is
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You know you put water in the basement if I land that good in in your stomach.
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Yeah, it doesn t feel it doesn t feel nice brother Even if you look normal you re yeah, you know it s and then I touch you touch you there It s just gonna shock your whole body and it s going to hurt It s going to hurt so that spinning back kick brother It s just like I said the video game watching you bend the bag brother if you could put up that clip that bro you was bending that bag and I was like
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What the fuck, like how, like this kick is strong as shit, like I was just thinking of like breaking people s spleens with it, you know?
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That was my best one.
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Yeah, that s me now as an old man though.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the other one was a younger one Yeah, but it s still I look at that do it right look at that Yeah, the thing about old people today like that s what what s interesting about this Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight Old people today have hormone replacement hormone replacements a game-changer.
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Oh, yeah, it s a different thing.
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Oh, yeah a 57 year old man today like Mike Tyson It s like that s not a 57 year old man from 1990.
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Oh, this is the one.
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Yeah, that s the 360.
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Oh
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So the idea to explain that was that, I forget who used to use that a lot.
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Oh, Kung Lee.
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Boom, look at this, bro.
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That s the clip I saw.
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Holy fuck.
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I was like, what the hell is Joe Rogan?
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Joe Rogan s on drugs.
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Bro, look at that.
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Look at your full extension.
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Look at the hip, bro.
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Pause it when he s about to freaking land on the bag, bro.
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Look at the full extension, bro.
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Yeah, look at that look.
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Oh my gosh.
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That s where you get the mass technique our yeah, that s crazy That s maximum amount of power He ll facing them your head looking at it, and you re landing with your heel, and I m looking over my right yeah It s turned away, so I got full extension Pushing off the back leg kick in with the front leg brother.
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It s crazy power, and it s not utilized that much Dennis Seaver used to have a good one
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Oh, that shit was really good.
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I liked him.
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Yeah, he had a real good one.
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And then, uh, going back to what you were saying, brother, with, uh, with Mike Tyson, like, did you see the clips of him, like, moving, bro?
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Yeah, he looks good.
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Bro.
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He s got months to prepare.
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Bro, imagine he going there and just...
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That was a guy bro.
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What is going on?
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He s gonna be hell on wheels in the first round for sure He s gonna be hell on wheels.
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You know because I don t know how long he can go I don t know what his joints feel like or his back feels like I don t know what s really going on and you re watching clips of a guy Let s not yeah, let s hope he gets something crazy, and then he say his back is broken that iconic speech ha ha
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Get another iconic speech from it s gonna be interesting and it s the only time I could ever Remember where I was well, I would be interested in watching a 57 year old man fight a 27 year old man Yeah, for sure.
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Like you said like even bro like cuz everybody saw him walking around the cane, right?
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What if he trolling everybody?
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What if he knew bro?
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What if he knew something we didn t know what if he s wearing or seeing us all over, you know But but even that bro, they had the new video of him moving.
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I m like, this is not fair.
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What is he doing?
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Like
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They re gonna do everything to him.
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They re gonna give him all the hormones, all the recovery, everything.
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They re gonna do everything they can to get him ready for that.
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There s a lot of money in this.
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That s a lot of money, bro.
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And it s only an exhibition, right?
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It s not even a real fight, right?
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And they have 16 ounce gloves, and they have to fight two minutes.
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Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 16 ounce.
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If you re Mike Tyson.
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Fuck yeah.
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Fuck yeah.
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If you re Mike Tyson, you know?
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I mean, even Paul, bro.
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Paul is not a small guy.
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He s big.
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A lot of guys think he s tiny.
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He s he s a huge boy.
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He s a big dude and he can crack Yeah, and I always say that people look at him like a guy who was a youtuber and they re denying more bone name before when he first was coming out That s the way that s the way you should look at him But now but he got like he had like a love in his corner like love is his main trainer What is it John love or he s one of Floyd boys?
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Mm-hmm
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That guy, he was like a legit world champion at one point, so he knows the training that he has to be done.
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Before, I was like, yeah, whatever, but then when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he s training, getting ready for these guys, he s a businessman too, don t get me wrong, but he s training, bro.
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He s not freaking cutting no corners, bro.
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He got the right guys, he got the right team, straight in conditioning, probably eating right, eating good, fighting on his terms, bro.
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Guy s just smart, bro.
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Anthony Joshua and Francis Ngannou.
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Oh brother, brother.
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Crazy, right?
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It sucked.
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I thought, I thought if Anthony was gonna be able to like really shock the world, this was, I was like, give him Anthony Joshua first.
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I was thinking that he could have Andy Ruiz.
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Joshua is known for kind of getting caught and he gets rocked.
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So I always thought that Nagano had the opportunity to be like, oh you can probably strike him.
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You can probably hurt him with a hand.
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Especially cuz nobody knew anything about yeah, yeah before the Tyson fight But I think that a Tyson fight shook up the world and and these guys like even like what s his name?
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Joshua was saying that there was a gimmick fight, and he s the next guy yeah, how you call it?
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Are you called Nagano gimmick fighting you fight him next?
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And he trained you know what I mean like you could tell bro He was like not like what he did to Tyson brother like a lot of people I thought he won bro when I m watching it I was like bro this guy won.
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I thought he won the decision.
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He won I think this guy s about to shake up the whole thing, but of course it s boxing there You know it is what it is, but yeah, and in front when Francis went out there He was saying that like he was tired the time whatever right and like that like the thing
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but Anthony Joshua looks so good.
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He s so good, bro.
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It s just a difference in skill.
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You caught him with that right hand in the first round and rocked him.
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It s just a difference in skill level.
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Like Anthony Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist.
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And you can see, you can see, look the feint, look the feint, look what he s doing.
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He s already, he s already even dropping his hand, you know.
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He s also shooting that jab to the body and looking for Francis to counter with that left hook.
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Francis leans back and throws that left hook a lot.
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Yeah, he goes like this.
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Yeah, and that s what he caught Tyson Fury with.
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Look, he leaned back there, too.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah, it was a big win.
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This guy is some big dude.
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Big win for boxing.
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Look how big he is.
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Yeah, big win for boxing.
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Josh was so fast, too.
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He s so fast.
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And he matches him strength-wise.
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Which is different than Tyson Fury.
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Yeah, strength and speed.
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But much faster.
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Look at that right hand.
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Oh my god.
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That right hand over the top.
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He was fucked here.
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Now he gets up.
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He s in real trouble here.
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Doom I mean that right you never move bro.
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He didn t even see it.
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No.
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He did not even see it brother He was already out here like he s boom But you saw how that set up because if he was doing the jab to the body like you said jab to the budget So he s he sat down and stuff kind of froze going back like this got overhand perfect beautiful boxing boxing exhibition man beautiful boxing
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You ever think you re gonna do any boxing matches?
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I don t know bro.
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I don t know.
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I would love to it d be fun.
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Yeah Yeah, I would say who you know, but like like I said, we got a lot I got it s not even worth calling out or doing anything cuz I didn t day I m with the UFC and if the UFC don t see it making money They re not gonna give it and then all I m gonna be is be one of these dumbasses on the internet calling out Stupid fights for no reason.
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It s not gonna happen.
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You know, I mean
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Right so at the end of the day it is what it is.
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I would love if personally if you ask me I would love to box but I would love to To to I I have some boxing some boxing cousins that s coming up in the boxing world right now Even even a friend.
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He just fought on the 20th.
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He just won JJ Benito he s the man and and then my cousin and they re coming up they re fighting my cousin them and I
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I would love to box.
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When I box with them, it s fun.
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It s having fun.
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I have a great.
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And then to go in there and actually box someone to see the difference, I would love to see it.
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You know, I would love to do it.
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Do you have like right now, like at 32 years old, do you have a timeline for the rest of your career?
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Do you have a thought?
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I don t.
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I don t.
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I don t want to.
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I don t want to fight till I m 40 for sure.
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I mean like you know I always thought like maybe 35 36 we kind of look at it It all depends on where I m at in my career You know if I m stood in the top five and and you know a chat or even championship level if I m stood here I m doing what I m doing here at 35 36.
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Maybe we squeeze out a little bit, but then
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Always I tell you every time we talk you know I want I want I want to retire the game I don t want the game to retire my ass brother because how much times we see Not only in our sports, but any sports the greats They just don t they don t they don t leave when they supposed to leave and it s just kind of like
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Yeah, they have a great legacy, but it kind of hurts it at the end.
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Like even though you can talk about the great stuff that they did, it still kind of hurts them.
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Like, oh, you kind of stayed, you overstayed your welcome, you know?
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And that s come, I got a bunch of other stuff, you know, that I m trying to get into.
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Like I said, with this new brew drink that you re drinking, you know, I m a co-owner of that.
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The streaming stuff, I love, I know you love gaming.
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I don t know if you ve been gaming, but the streaming stuff, I love it now.
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That s great.
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And I love playing games because at the end of the day, a lot of these guys that,
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They identified themselves with their sport, and when they retire, they don t have nothing, so they come back anyway because they kind of lose themselves.
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They feel like, oh, this is my identity, so I m trying to build this stuff, so I have another venture, so as soon as we go, I can try and attack this.
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I would love to stream when I m older, you know?
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Podcast or interview or do something like you need these guys need to understand that They need something outside of their sport before they let go you know like Kobe was doing it right You know I mean rest in peace to him, but he did it right You know when he was getting rid of surfing he started doing his podcast he started doing all kind of other stuff He started getting more in hand with his daughter s Basketball like he was doing stuff to make himself forget about what he did and he was focusing on other stuff to make himself great in another way so
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That s the main thing, you know, as long as I can compete at an elite level, you know, I don t want to be this guy that s just hanging on and everybody s like, oh man, I don t know, I would fucking, it would sadden me the day that I m fucking walking out to a fight and Joe Rogan would be like, yeah, Max did this, this and this, but you know, he s a little bit older now, like I d be fucking.
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I d be distraught, you know, I mean, I d be like what the fuck I don t want fucking Joe Rogan talking my ass walking out of the fight like that, you know Retire on top man retire on top.
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Listen, brother.
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It s been an amazing time as a person who loves a sport to watch you rise Thank you.
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It s been incredible to have seen you fight from the very first from yeah from
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Incredible man and just congratulations on just the greatest knockout of all time epic performance.
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It was amazing I can t I can t wait to see you in there again.
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Thank you buddy.
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Thank you Tell everybody how they can watch your streams where they could find you social media all that shit brother
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Instagram Twitter or X now at bless him and me and then I m a stream kick calm backslash max Holloway We stream gamble we stream first-person shooters I m a apex legend shooter.
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So come see me if you want to play come see him.
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All right, beautiful.
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Thank you, brother.
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Bye everybody