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Hello?
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Hello.
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Hi, what s your name?
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Um, well, you can call me Cam because I mean, I m sure my name is kind of hard to pronounce.
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Uh, what s your name?
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Raktiron Pagsate.
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Say it one more time.
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Raktiron Pagsate.
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Raktiron Pagsate?
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Yes.
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Why d you shorten that to Cam?
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Well, um, so it s, it s, it s a long story.
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Uh, so I grew up in a part of the Iroquois Confederacy and, um, basically, um, I I m Mohawk, uh, native.
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Uh, so we have names that are given to us by shaman and then we have our birth certificate names, which is usually Americanized.
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Oh, okay, so your Americanized Birth Certificate name is Cam, and your real name is the other one.
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Yes, exactly.
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What do your friends call you?
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Oh, they just call me Cam.
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Does anyone call you by your real name?
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No, because, I mean, I moved out a little bit ago, just off the border of our reservation, about nine years ago, I would say.
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How old are you?
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I m about to turn 19.
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Oh, cool, man.
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Where was your reservation again?
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It s in upstate New York.
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It s called Aqua Sosni.
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I don t know if you ve heard of it.
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Is it like a well-known reservation?
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Yeah, I would say so.
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How big is it?
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It spans from about... I m bad with my Canadian
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what would you say, like a geography, I think, like under Quebec.
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And then it goes all the way to like downstate New York.
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And you go up there your whole life?
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Um, yeah, I mean, I, uh, spent some time in Italy.
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Um, that s pretty much all of my heritage is native and Italian.
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So I ve been hopping through families, uh, pretty much all of my life.
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What was it like growing up on the reservation?
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Um, well, I mean, I could definitely get into a lot of the, uh, dark history of stuff up here.
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Um, well, we have a lot of gangs up here that are run by, you know, MS-13.
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Um, we have like a separate branch.
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So the way that a lot of things work up here anyway, um, I guess you can break down gang activity throughout.
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I mean, even just the United States is a total of,
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you know, easiest, uh, easiest borders to enter.
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And, um, a lot, we get a lot of opium and crack and meth and stuff like that up here.
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So, um, you know, there s a lot of poverty and a lot of our, uh, just in upstate New York in general, our kind of local culture is propped up by drugs.
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Hmm.
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And, uh, are you, uh, were you ever involved in any of that stuff growing up or stay away from it?
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Well, it s, it s a yes and a no, I guess.
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Um, my parents met, um, my, my father was, um, selling, uh, drugs to people, uh, you know, all throughout, uh, you know,
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The reservation, him and another addict were using a charity organization to, I guess, pump money through.
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And that s where he met my mom, who was using at the time.
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And there was a lot of drama there.
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But on my mom s side of the family, we have a lot of run-ins with
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Mafia Especially in drag it.
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I don t know if you ve heard of it.
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It s a Sicilian mafia my Let s see my third cousin.
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I would say Was pretty close with um I m trying to think of Tony Bennett.
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I don t do you know that musician?
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Tony Bennett no um I think
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If the opening song of Goodfellas, I think he rags to riches he wrote that song while so Hypothetically allegedly how however I may phrase it to not land any of us in any trouble, but They they lived with each other in Watertown, New York for a while and his fame was pretty much brought up on a
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money being funneled through local mafia sects, I guess you could say.
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And that s one of the many things that brought his rise to fame, and that s where that side of the family got, I guess, connected with some of the mafia.
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And I do have some brothers and sisters back home, like in Italy anyway, that
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that do still run.
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The only things that I have ever done, I washed Bitcoin through several Cash App accounts.
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Somebody would make a purchase on some form of illegal goods and I would get the Bitcoin, take 10% of it, and then send it through multiple accounts to get to the main account.
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But I stopped doing that especially because recently I ve started to actually have a family.
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My girlfriend, soon-to-be fiancé, has been a major part of my life.
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The reason I won t go into the military now is because I don t want to risk any of that anymore.
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I could very well go into criminal organizations at any moment in time or do more than selling weed.
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Of course, everybody up here pushes at least an ounce a month.
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You know, that s really nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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But I have to ask you before you continue any further, are you about to get whacked for talking about all this on The Gecko Show?
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I don t believe so.
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I mean, a lot of the people who I mentioned are dead and a lot of the people are either arrested and a lot of a lot of the people that I do know who are currently
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uh, engaged in this sort of behavior are usually across seas and whatnot.
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Um, I did want to bring up one thing, but before I forgot, I did call you at one point.
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Do you remember the name people s pretzel shop by any chance?
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Yes, I do.
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I do remember that.
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Yeah, it was a front the whole time.
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The pretzel shop was just the front.
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Yeah, no fucking, I got that removed by the way.
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Just so then like, if I ever were to call you again, you wouldn t, you know, get a little bit worried, you know,
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for my safety.
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Damn, dude, I don t remember what we talked about or whatever.
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I think I was probably tired.
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Yeah, that s pretty much what the conversation was.
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Yeah, I do remember that.
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But that aside, hmm.
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Well, OK, I have a bunch of questions.
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OK, first of all, what do you mean?
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Isn t weeds legal in New York?
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How are they pushing an ounce of weed?
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Well, because everybody grows.
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I mean, since it s legal, you know, you can go to like any neighborhood, any
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you know, like little crack house on the side and you d be like, Hey, can I go see your shed?
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And you ll probably see like at least 10 plants.
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Um, it s, it s technically you re not supposed to have that many plants, but at this point, you know, so many people are growing that there s pretty much nothing anybody can do.
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Especially the cops around here are fucking awful at their job.
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Like, you know, uh,
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The amount of shit that people do on the daily, it s just impossible to regulate, especially because so much of our, like I was saying before, our economy is propped up so much on illegal drug use.
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Um, we, some of the, like in the town that I live in right now, we have three main restaurants that are all run by this one guy and he was pushing Coke to probably the entire North country.
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Um, it s, it s, it s been a, uh,
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Not very hidden thing especially here.
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I mean your life is a movie You know, I probably have the most boring life out of any of all these crackheads up here Cam Are you okay?
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Oh I m fucking wonderful.
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I see if it s a breathing thing.
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It s cuz I m smoking a cigarette Okay.
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Yeah, cuz you re breathing heavily and I didn t know if you were having a heart attack or what was going on, but um, I
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I wanna know, I, I, I, it s been cool hearing about the...
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I don t know about cool, but it s been, it s been interesting hearing about the, the, the lore of, of your town and your family, but like, tell me about you.
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Like, uh, so you were what, what working, washing Bitcoin for some mafia folks.
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And now you re 18, 19 and you re, you re moving out.
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Where are you?
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Like you, you re, you re not still on the reservation, right?
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No.
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Uh, I m like right on the outskirts.
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I mean,
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It s, right now I m mostly just focusing on, you know, working, volunteering, so I can become a chef.
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I m planning on going to the Culinary Institute of America sometime next year.
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Yeah, it s... I ll be one of the first people, maybe, other than like two people in my family who actually went to college and completed it, because of all the crazy shit that happens up here.
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And so you re going to go for culinary and what what s your what s your ultimate goal?
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You want to be a chef?
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Yeah, yeah.
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One of my plans I was making with my friend is that we were going to run a place from there s this big highway that goes from like pretty much the all of the East Coast, you know, through Baltimore to all the way up to New York.
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And we want to open up some lounges for electric cars.
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where you could like, you know, sit down, eat, you know, maybe hang out, have a drink, you know, play some arcade games, whatever the fuck while you wait for your car to charge.
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I ve been recently writing a menu for it, you know, trademarking some shit.
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Um, but that s, that s pretty much my goal right now.
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And, um, you have to have an electric car to go to this restaurant.
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Well, no, but it certainly is definitely going to be built around that.
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I mean, I hope to have things be, uh, you know, mostly environmentally friendly, you know, stuff that,
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I guess if your average electric car user, you know, smug as a motherfucker, thinks that they re great for the environment, even though they perpetuate, you know, child slavery in fucking mines in Africa, sort of thing, you know, it s like, all that organic food stuff, like, hey, I m into it, like, definitely don t get me wrong on that, like, I m into it, but I think it will be a good, an easy market to corner.
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Give me some menu items.
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Is this like a Chuck E. Cheese style chili fries hamburger shit or are we going classy?
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Just throw me some menu items.
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Well, right now I m working on breakfast items.
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I learned how to make a really amazing hollandaise sauce.
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I was one of the only people in my culinary class before to actually pretty much get it on the first try.
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I had some experience at one of the places up here.
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I don t really remember the name right now.
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But they were voted by the New York Times as having the best hollandaise sauce.
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But I wanted to play around with that some for, you know, morning options.
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I wanted to, right now, I m more in the stage of not necessarily
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the actual menu creation rather than ingredients that would work well in this sort of thing.
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I was thinking a lot of pescatarian stuff.
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I mean, I... Some of my family right now, you know, delivers fish.
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Some of the best quality.
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Like, $38 per pound for salmon, shit like that.
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You know, so like, I was thinking, you know, mostly
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I guess whatever would qualify as like hipster food.
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I haven t gotten into that market right now, but, uh, right now I m working at a, uh, co-op with like a food co-op.
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Uh, and I ll be getting some more experience in that sort of market because it is kind of, uh, meant for, I guess, environmentalists and vegans and vegetarians, et cetera.
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Nice, nice, nice.
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This is cool.
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You got a little, you got a, you got a real life going on.
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You got a, you got a wife too.
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Tell me about that.
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Oh man, yeah, it s, uh... This is gonna sound a little bit crazy, and I know it is, but... No, I ve been seeing this girl for a while.
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She s been an amazing part of my life.
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We almost had a child a few months ago, but she unfortunately miscarried.
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Oh, I m sorry to hear that.
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That was one of the things that I kind of took as a sign of, you know, maybe it s time to wait, no matter how, you know, depressing it is, but... Wait, just real quick, you prefaced this by saying you were gonna say something crazy.
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Yeah, we have been together for less than a year.
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But, you know, it s... I ve connected very well with her and all of her family, and it s been the first time I really believe that I ve
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you know, been a part of a family.
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I mean, I ve been pretty much traded and used as a token piece for all of my life, and it s nice to be able to, I guess, settle down and have a feeling of actual family rather than, you know, being the, oh yeah, you re too immature or fucking psychologically mangled in order to have this child, so I get passed between
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parts of the reservation, parts of Italy, parts of Malta, you know, farther up the United States.
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You know, I live with my grandmother right now.
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So, you know, it s, it s at least unstable, but I m kind of, it gets, it gets lonely.
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I mean, most of the time I m here by myself, but I do plan on moving in with her pretty soon.
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Okay.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
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I mean, look, man, I don t think that s that crazy.
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I think you ve definitely been through a lot of stuff.
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And this is definitely providing you with a lot of the things that you felt as though you didn t have when you were growing up, or that you just didn t have in your life at all.
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But it s funny to me because despite everything that happened to you, you know, or maybe not even despite it, you know Would in spite be the same as despite
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I want to say it is.
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I want to say it s not.
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I m crazy.
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I was just going to say it s interesting because even though all that stuff happened, you know, you re a very, um, you know, just at least from talking to you, you re a very, uh, mature guy and you ve got a lot of, uh, uh, plans for your life.
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And you, you know, despite all of, uh, the universe s attempts to fuck you up, you ve stayed, it seems at least to me, pretty resilient.
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So I, I admire that.
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I mean, yeah, that s that s this is where I guess the downside coming is this is one of the things that I want to talk about is that you know, I feel like Despite I do believe I am a creative person and I mean, I I don t like to talk myself up It feels a little bit wrong.
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But you know, it s It s been one of those things where you know, there s so many different things that I want to do but I feel like I don t have the mental tools to be able to do a lot of the things that I want to do and I it s it s just been I
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Difficult because I mean I I love music and I love art and I love cooking it just feels like you know whenever I try to do any of these things it fails, but I and I have this issue where Whenever I think I m being smart about something.
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It s I have this dilemma.
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It s Like I am either being stupid which is causing me to feel like I m being smart about it and
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I m you know being smart about it, but I m too I guess Too stupid to realize that I m that I m being smart and I ve run to that issue a lot So I it ends up in me giving up on a lot of things that I do Okay, I m gonna be honest.
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I I you ve lost me on this, but I would love to hear an example and maybe I ll understand well like I
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I have a lot of, you know, I talk my ass off, if you can t be, if you can t tell already, you know, especially after I started doing, you know, mushrooms and shit, you know, I, I feel like my, my voice has been more important to me than ever.
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And it s like, I ll, I ll tell somebody an idea I have.
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And the first thing I think is like, wow, this is such a smart idea.
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And then I go, no, I m not being smart.
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This is probably something everybody else.
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I m just being stupid and that s what s making well let me tell well I ll tell you this much about what you just said just now is The and we re you know look I m about to get all Tony Robbins on you and shit But I mean yeah, everyone s had every smart idea, but it s about what you do right so look.
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I don t know I don t know how active your plans are for this Tesla cafe, but
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It s about what you do.
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And when you re young, I feel like, I mean, don t go into a crazy amount of debt or, you know, do something like fucking stupid.
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But when you re fucking 19, you can just, you can just try stuff, you know, you can just go for it.
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But especially right now, you know, when when you don t have a child, if you don t have a child and you don t have I mean, because that s a huge responsibility and, you know, nobody else is really like.
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You know depending on you to eat and live you can kind of just take the time to Screw around and see what what happens I mean, that s what s great about that time in life And it s cool that you have all these different ideas because you can just say fucking and give one a try I Just I definitely I worry about becoming my father and I will explain that it s like he does this thing where he goes on these high raids about like
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Oh yeah, I should pitch this idea to fuckin  Elon Musk about, you know, mining, uh, hydrogen on fuckin  whatever planet, and I m like, and then he sketches out this whole fuckin  thing, you know, does all this crazy shit for absolutely no reason, and then just sits on his ass, you know, and... Like, he- he s not a bad dude, but he... is a parasitic type, I will say, you know, he...
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Are you saying, uh, he s, he s all talk.
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Yeah.
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That s one of the things that, that kind of, it makes me mad to be honest.
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Like it, it s like he talks himself up and talks up all of his ideas, but you know, he, he never tries and he puts down everybody in his way.
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Like, you know, he thinks that he s much smarter than everybody else.
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And, and it s, it s sad to watch him, you know, burn through friendships and relationships.
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I mean,
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I don t live with him, you know, we don t have the greatest of relationships.
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I mean, I ve, I ve beat the fuck out of him multiple times, you know, he, he, but all, all definitely deserved, but you know, it s, it s just, if that gives you any insight into the kind of person, I guess maybe that I am or that he is.
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Well, camp, I mean, you have a self-awareness about this stuff.
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You have a model that you do not wish to follow.
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And so I think that s going to be a helpful thing for you.
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I don t know what your dad s dad was like, or if you thought the same thing about him, but, um, Hmm.
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You know, yeah man, I just feel like if you have... Don t have so many ideas that you don t end up actually doing anything.
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You know, I think you know that.
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But you ve been through a lot.
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You seem to be an enterprising young guy.
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And so, I would take whatever energy you have right now and instead of shutting your eyes and thinking as many fucking thoughts as you can possibly think and as many ideas about everything as you possibly can, just go and try some stuff.
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Yeah, I, I, I, it s, it s, it s definitely difficult, especially not having a, uh, you know, a mode of transport or any capital.
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Like, uh, the jobs that I do work are strictly volunteer work.
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Uh, okay.
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So then why don t you, why do you, why don t you focus on whatever idea?
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Cause look, I m sure you have a billion ideas of things that you want to do.
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You talked about music, you talked about what s whatnot.
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You re probably a little bit, yeah, you know, opening up a restaurant requires more capital than you currently have, which is fine.
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But I m sure you have plenty of ideas that don t require any capital or any, or you know, don t require you to leave your fucking computer.
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So why don t you start with those?
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Yeah, I think that it would be in my best interest.
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It s just, you know, I m one of the people who gets
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demotivated when I Don t do something correct or feel like I m struggling learning something and that s that s one of the things I You re not you re not like a Zen mastered got you re like 19 Just just fuck around just do this.
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I swear to God just like you can get so
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Wrapped up in your own head about perfection and whatnot, but just fuck around Dude, don t don t attach you re attaching so much direness to it.
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It s not a dire thing just just just Play okay, this is this should be play at this point You know that s that s definitely uh
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That s definitely right, you know, I tend to, I guess, worry about these things a little bit too much when the only thing I can really do is, you know, have action.
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Plus, I feel like... I was gonna say, at this point, anything that you re doing that s not dealing drugs seems to be a pretty good hobby or endeavor for you to be doing, considering all the things you have been doing, man.
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Honestly, dealing drugs...
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is such it s it s like i will never recommend it but i will say it is the easiest fastest and like least uh the you have to put the least amount of work in and and it s it s i think it s helped me like you know i was gonna uh
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somebody owes me some money and the next time they pay me, I m going to be getting one of those Google certificates.
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Uh, I don t know if you ve heard of those.
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They re like 50 bucks for per month and you get to learn like, you can get Google certified to be a crack dealer.
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No, no, no.
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You can get like a Google certified to like do like a cybersecurity and like, uh, you know, business management and shit.
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And you know, like, like I, I will never, you know,
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My morals are I m never going to sell any anything to anybody if I know that they re abusing it or if it s Like that s why I don t sell like crack or heroin It s just like weed shrooms if I have an access that I feel like it s gonna go moldy or something.
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You know, it s it s more just It s definitely no Well
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I don t know, I guess somebody s gotta deal shrooms, but... What the fuck am I saying?
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Cam, look, here s the thing.
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I m gonna leave you with this.
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You have a billion ideas that you want to do.
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Go do one of them that s not selling pot or drugs.
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I mean, sell pot, you can sell pot legally now.
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Soon you ll be able to probably sell shrooms legally, so...
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Whatever maybe you will maybe you ll have maybe you ll have maybe eventually the law will catch up to that big brain of yours and you ll start the first Shroom delivery App or whatever the fuck it is, but I
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Cam, it s been nice talking to you, man, and thanks for sharing all this stuff, and I hope that things go well for you, and if I ever come to this Tesla place, I would like for you to give me a free grilled cheese sandwich.
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Dude, on the house, anything you want, man, you got it, man.
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If I m not intruding at all, I do have one last piece of advice to ask for, you know.
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Um, if it s, if it s not, you know, anything that would bother you.
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What is it?
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Um, well, so recently I ve been talking to my ex, not in any like weird way or anything like that.
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It s, you know, strictly a friendship thing because, uh, we used to, we dated about six years ago and, uh, you know, she, she was a really close friend of mine and I don t like,
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Do you think that s a bad idea?
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Like, we wouldn t get into anything, you know?
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She s, you know, been an amazing friend and I love her.
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Does your fiancé know about it?
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Yeah, I told her about it, and she wasn t like, yippee, but she also wasn t like, girl, that s fucking...
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awful.
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Why would you do that?
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It was kind of a neutral thing.
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So that s been very terrible with this kind of stuff, man.
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I had no idea.
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I mean, this is your friends, right?
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Yeah, it s like, I feel bad to a certain extent.
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Because like, I mean, it is somebody I used to date, but I am a very loyal person.
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So I know that I m not going to do anything.
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And if she were to try to do anything, I know I would shut it down immediately.
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But
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I would I don t know man I don t want to tell you what to fucking do but mm-hmm but yeah cuz I don t know what the fuck do I know I don t know man just focus on building your dude you have way you have better things to worry about than this okay I guess so yeah you re right you re right I appreciate it though thank you very much thank you for calling cam and good luck to you and I will be back at some point to redeem that free grilled cheese sandwich of course man have a
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Later man.
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I don t fucking know.
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I don t know the answers to when he said, um, I liked talking to him.
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I like talking to him about his, his story and his life and getting into who he is.
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But when he s like, can I have advice on if I should talk to any anytime someone s like, can I have advice on if I should talk to this girl or not?
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I m like, I got no, I don t fucking know.
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I don t know at all.
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I don t know anything about life.
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Um,
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The if you re asking that question, the answer is usually like the answer, the answer to that question, 97% of the time is probably not.
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But, um, around 97% of the time you do it anyway, because his brains, emotions are strong.
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SPEAKER_01
Hello?
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SPEAKER_00
Hello?
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SPEAKER_01
Hi, who is this?
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SPEAKER_00
This is Natalie.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, what s- Oh, God.
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Alright, you have a dog.
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SPEAKER_01
Can you, um... Can you throw your dog out in the garbage while we talk?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yeah.
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Let me... Yeah, give me one second.
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I ll put her in the garage.
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SPEAKER_01
Cool.
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SPEAKER_00
That s better.
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SPEAKER_01
That s a much better idea than what I said.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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For sure, for sure.
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SPEAKER_01
Are you still there?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I m still there.
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She should be good now.
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What s your name again?
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Natalie.
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Natalie, what s going on?
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How can I get you today?
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SPEAKER_00
So, funny story.
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Do you want the whole story or the short version?
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Uh, let s start with the short version.
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Um, my roommate matched with this guy on Tinder.
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Somehow I started talking to him.
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Fast forward two months and now he s driving all the way from New York to Iowa and is visiting me here and I ve never met him in person.
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And so he started out as, he matched with your friend, and then you, how did you start talking to him after he matched with your friend?
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Um, uh, we, I definitely catfished him for like an hour, and he thought I was my roommate.
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And then, it turned out to be me.
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And I don t know, somehow he kept talking to me.
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What does that look like logistically?
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You catfished him as your roommate.
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Your roommate is your friend that matched with him, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yes, yes, yes.
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She s my best friend.
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She s my best friend.
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What does that look like?
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You like stole her phone or something?
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Yeah, I was using her phone on her Tinder account and she was sitting next to me the whole time.
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Oh, so it was like, haha, well actually here s the number of the person you ve been talking to?
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Yes, that s what happened.
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Did your friend like this guy?
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Did that upset her?
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No, she s actually really happy for me.
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But it s kind of funny now, listening to the story, because he never actually talked to her.
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He just saw her pictures and matched with him.
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He knows that he s talking to you, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yes, he does know that he s talking to me.
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We FaceTimed and all of that stuff since then.
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So he knows who I am now.
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Why is your friend matching with dudes in New York if she lives in Iowa?
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Is she doing like the passport thing?
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Uh, no, he s actually in the military.
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So he was visiting his family in Iowa and then went back to New York like the day after we started talking.
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And how long have you been talking to this guy?
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Like two months now.
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We just hit like 60 day streak on Snapchat, Lyle.
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How are you feeling about him coming to visit you?
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I m a little nervous.
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I m not going to lie because in reality he literally could murder me.
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Like I don t know this man really besides over the phone, you know?
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That is true.
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That is the risk that you run every time a stranger comes to your house.
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SPEAKER_00
Yes.
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And, and he s staying at my house.
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Like he s staying here.
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He s not staying at a hotel.
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He s not staying with his parents.
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He s like staying here.
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How long is he supposed to stay there for?
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Just over the weekend.
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So like three nights.
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Not too bad.
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Okay.
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Um, is your roommate going to be there?
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I think she s gonna be here a little bit of the time, but she might go stay with her parents.
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At least one of the nights.
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Ummm... You know what s so funny is, um... Do you remember... How old are you?
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I m 22.
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Okay, when... I think... Do you remember taking, like, web safety classes in school?
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SPEAKER_00
I do remember that.
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They really did, but here I am giving my entire address to this man.
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SPEAKER_01
Right they and it s funny how like because this was in like elementary school, so I was in elementary school What I don t like?
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2008 or something like that and the internet has changed to the point where everyone is giving out just their full address and social security number like giving your real name out on the internet is is Like nothing
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you suggesting I give my social security number to this man?
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Um... Is he offering you some kind of investment opportunity?
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You know, I m not 100% sure.
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SPEAKER_00
I guess I ll find out tomorrow when he gets here.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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SPEAKER_01
Um... Are you meeting him in, like, where is, where are you gonna meet him?
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Like, at your house?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Like, he won t get here until, like...
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11 p.m.. 12 a.m.. Tomorrow night So it s gonna be in the dark in front of my house Literally could be a horror movie plot I Mean would it make you feel better to like meet him in a not dark late-night place
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You know I haven t really thought about it.
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I was just kind of like Why not?
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you know there s a first time for everything and Hopefully it goes good and not bad very optimistic Is has throughout the 12 different throughout the two months that you ve been talking to him every day has there been any?
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Inkling indication intuition that he might try to kill you I
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No.
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He seems nice.
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He seems like a good guy.
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A good stable guy.
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He gets out of the military in May.
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So we ll see what happens after that.
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Okay.
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Have you ever done anything like this before?
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No.
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No, I haven t.
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I was in a four year long relationship that I got out of like six, six, six,
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six months ago.
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And this is like the first guy I m talking to again that I m like serious about and kind of like.
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So hopefully I still like him when I meet him in person.
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Um, well, you know, I don t want to, um, I don t want to undercut your intuition because you, uh, you know, have the agency that, you know, do whatever the hell you want.
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Um,
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So I guess all I can do is hope that he doesn t kill you.
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I don t think this guy s gonna kill you.
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I don t know.
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I m a... I am myself.
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I m a fairly trusting person, I think.
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I try to assume the best in people.
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I think... I ll say this.
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I think mathematically...
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Mathematically, the amount of people in the world that want to kill you is so significantly smaller than the amount of people who don t want to kill you.
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For sure.
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SPEAKER_00
Have you ever done anything like this, Lyle?
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Like, met a stranger from the internet?
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Well, I mean, sure, but like, randomly.
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At a dark place after talking to them for a couple months Probably I m sure I used to tinder a lot.
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I m sure I did something like that in the in the tindering days.
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Oh for sure So you re alive, so hopefully I m also still alive by Friday morning I
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Yeah, I hope so.
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I mean, look, I mean, look, if you re feeling that unsure about it, you could always be like, hey, why don t you get a hotel and we can meet tomorrow?
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Yeah.
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We ll see.
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We ll see.
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We ll see how I m feeling tomorrow.
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I think I m just anxious about it right now, you know?
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SPEAKER_00
OK.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you anxious, like, just like from a social standpoint?
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SPEAKER_00
Are you like just first date sort of anxiety?
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I think so.
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Yeah, but it s just like a lot of buildup since it s like two months of first date anxiety.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, sure.
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I just met him three days ago and we re going on our first date.
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It s like, no, two months.
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SPEAKER_00
Well, I mean, look, don t do anything that, you know, makes you have a bad feeling about, but I m gonna manifest.
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I used to make fun of manifesting, and I still don t.
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I still think it s a little stupid, but I m kind of coming around to it.
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I m gonna manifest.
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That this guy doesn t kill you and that you have a fun and a wonderful time with him throughout the visit.
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I appreciate that.
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SPEAKER_02
Manifesting all the positive vibes for me and my roommate who has to deal with this random guy in her house for the next three days.
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SPEAKER_00
Maybe have your roommate stay home for a little bit.
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Just in case.
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SPEAKER_00
It s not a horrible idea.
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But she is she s um she s gonna be my wingwoman so she ll be there to support me at least the first night And then she can leave you know what you should do actually is you should you know you should do you should have her answer the door and be like it actually was me the whole time Maybe I will do that say that she was telling me what to say oh she was telling you what to say oh
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Yeah, cause if we FaceTimed, he obviously saw my face.
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So maybe she was just texting me the whole time.
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What s your name again?
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Natalie.
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Natalie, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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No, you re the best.
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I appreciate you.
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SPEAKER_00
Thanks, Natalie.
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SPEAKER_00
I hope that you don t die unless if it s like of old age, which wouldn t be for a long time, I don t think.
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SPEAKER_02
No, for sure.
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I hope you don t die either, Lyle.
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SPEAKER_00
Thanks, man.
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SPEAKER_00
See you later.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, bye.
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SPEAKER_01
What s up, Lyle?
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Uh, dude, I wanted to call you because, um, so, uh, last week we got a phone call from this girl who was talking about how this dude that she met on the internet and has never met in real life and she s been talking to him for about two months
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is uh gonna drive 15 hours to spend the weekend at her house and she was afraid that this guy was gonna kill her um but also was looking was looking forward to the potential of of course that not happening and of this being a
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fun weekend of bonding and merriment.
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And then I got a text from you saying that you are the guy.
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And you wanted to let me know how the weekend went.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, the weekend was great.
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SPEAKER_00
And I want to point out, this is from a different phone, which means that you did not kill her, steal her phone, and text me from that.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, no, she s totally alive.
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SPEAKER_01
She s alive and well.
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SPEAKER_00
Great.
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SPEAKER_01
Her roommate s watching this.
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SPEAKER_00
Cool.
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SPEAKER_01
The weekend went great.
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SPEAKER_01
I actually got an extended stay because I had car issues.
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and I couldn t get back to New York.
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SPEAKER_01
So actually, instead of leaving on Monday, I left on Wednesday.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
So, I mean, tell me how the weekend went.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, it was good.
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Uh, the first few days were a little shaky, uh, just getting to know her.
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When I showed up at 1am, it was super awkward.
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Her and her roommate were just sitting in the living room like, uh, like parents when you come home late at night.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, but like she hugged me.
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I wasn t, I wasn t expecting, I thought we were going to like,
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Maybe I was going to sleep on the couch or something, but all seemed to go well right off the bat.
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And then I got a shower and then we slept.
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SPEAKER_01
And then Friday and Saturday were really busy.
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I met her parents.
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She met my parents.
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I don t know why, but we did.
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And that went well.
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, so she met your parents.
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SPEAKER_00
Do your parents live in this place that you went to?
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SPEAKER_00
Do they not live where you live?
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SPEAKER_01
No, um, I live up here because as she said, I m in the, I m in the army, but yeah, I m from, I m from Iowa.
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SPEAKER_01
I m from near where she lives now.
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SPEAKER_00
Hmm.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
So you two met each other s parents and then did you explain to her parents the circumstances of you guys meeting and how you ve only known each other for like a day?
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SPEAKER_01
Her parents knew everything about me before I even saw them.
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SPEAKER_01
She was, she was giving them all the info in case, I guess,
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in case if I killed her or something, which I didn t.
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SPEAKER_00
And how was your interaction with her parents?
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SPEAKER_01
Dude, her parents are so cool.
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SPEAKER_01
I get along with her dad so well and her mom s really funny and they were really cool about the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_01
Her mom was asking for updates like the whole time I was there, which was funny.
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SPEAKER_00
How long, how deep into the weekend did you talk to her mom?
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SPEAKER_01
Um, I saw them on, on, Oh, I want to say this Saturday morning, Saturday morning.
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And then I met her parents for breakfast with her grandma.
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And then we went to her other grandparents  house and I met her aunt and her other grandparents.
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And we all hung out as like a group.
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I met her brother, but.
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That s all of the interaction I had with them.
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SPEAKER_00
Did anyone from the family seem to be wary of you?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t think so.
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They were all pretty welcoming, I think.
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It s just because, I don t know, she gave them good word on me before I met them.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Now I remember from my conversation with her that you initially had matched with her, her roommate on the dating app and you were talking to her roommate and then she started texting you from her roommate s Tinder.
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SPEAKER_00
Is that right?
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SPEAKER_02
Yes.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
And, um, now when you were there, was any part of you like, uh, like you, were you glad that it was her and not the roommate?
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SPEAKER_01
Not not in a negative way towards her roommate.
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SPEAKER_01
But yeah, I was her roommate s not just not not my style.
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SPEAKER_01
She definitely is way more my style, which was nice.
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SPEAKER_00
That s a very, you know, that s a very that s a very diplomatic answer to what I m just realizing was a trick question that I gave you.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I don t want to sound like a dick on the phone.
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SPEAKER_01
You know, her roommate s watching.
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SPEAKER_00
Now, um, where are you now?
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SPEAKER_00
Are you back on, on base?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
I m, I m, I m back, uh, back in New York.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you going to go back to Iowa anytime soon?
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SPEAKER_01
Uh, we ve talked about me visiting for Thanksgiving and, uh, I m definitely visiting for Christmas.
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SPEAKER_01
It s just, you know, financially and with my car problems, I don t know if it can be tough to visit as often as I want to.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, like in the future, are you planning to go back to Iowa or are you going to stay in New York?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, no.
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So I get out of the Army in May, and I m definitely moving back to Iowa for at least a little bit, and probably going to live in the same area that she lives in now.
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SPEAKER_01
And I ve even talked to her because my parents said I could bring a friend with.
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SPEAKER_01
We re going on a trip to Germany in May, and I talked to her.
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SPEAKER_01
Maybe I d take her with because she likes to travel.
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SPEAKER_00
That s awesome.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you wait?
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SPEAKER_00
Can you call her?
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SPEAKER_00
Can we three way you guys in?
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SPEAKER_00
I feel like I talked to her.
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SPEAKER_00
I haven t I feel like I talked to her beforehand to talk to you after and now I want to talk to both of you guys at once.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t I don t know how to how to add someone into the call.
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If you could help me see, oh, here we go.
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Yeah, we ll see how this goes.
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SPEAKER_04
All right, sweet.
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It s a three-way call, hold up.
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SPEAKER_04
Natalie, he s here.
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SPEAKER_04
Natalie.
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Hi, Lyle.
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SPEAKER_04
Hey, Natalie, what s up?
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Nothing much, how are you?
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SPEAKER_04
I m doing good.
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SPEAKER_04
It s good to speak with you again.
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SPEAKER_04
This is cool.
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I don t usually do follow-ups, but, uh, after that last call, I remember there being a lot of people in the chat being like, you should call her to make sure she wasn t killed by that guy.
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SPEAKER_04
And it appears you were not.
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SPEAKER_01
No, I am thankful to report that he did not show up here and kill me.
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SPEAKER_04
And that you had your room, you were like debating whether or not your roommate was going to stay there with you too.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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My roommate did end up staying the whole time.
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So that was nice as a nice little backup, just in case anything did happen.
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So what s what was your review of the weekend?
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I would say the weekend went well, we got along really well.
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And we had conversations every day.
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I don t really think we got tired of each other that easily.
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And yeah, it was good.
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We re still talking.
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Nice, nice.
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I guess, is there anything in particular that you were talking about on our last call that you want to update anyone about or any details that you want to share with the people about the ending to this?
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I don t know.
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I think it really was kind of funny because the first day we actually hung out is when his car broke down and
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it could have gone terribly and he could have we were at a pumpkin patch and he could have gotten really mad and like just yelled and been a terrible human being and acted really negatively towards it
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He ended up laughing, which I think was a good, like, silly way to start the weekend and then obviously end it with a joke.
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And so it did go really well, and I didn t die, and I m very thankful for that.
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And so everybody in the chat should be happy that I m safe and sound and still in Iowa, alive and breathing.
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Would you recommend to other people that they invite strangers from the internet to their house at the middle of the night so that they can have similar beautiful experiences as you?
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I would say if you have FaceTimed them beforehand and know stuff about them, then sure, why not?
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But if it s someone you ve only texted for like a day, maybe not so much.
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What s the guy s name again?
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Lucas.
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Lucas.
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Lucas, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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Don t show up at random people s houses because
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I don t know.
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It s scary.
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What did your parents think about all this stuff?
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My parents were just like, as long as you don t end up ball gags in her basement, it s okay.
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And even if that does happen, just try to wait it out.
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They re very supportive.
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See, that s true.
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You could have killed him too.
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You know what?
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I could have.
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He purposely...
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He said that he purposely took duct tape out of his bag so that we didn t think he was some sort of serial killer.
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Why do you keep duct tape in your bag?
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I keep duct tape and superglue on me all the time.
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Have you ever had to use it?
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Oh, yeah, you superglue... I don t know, I like to... I like quick, easy ways to fix things.
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I would ve used it on my car if it wasn t metal.
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Well, you guys stay on your toes around each other.
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yeah all right take care guys thank you very much thanks talk to you later that was nice
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I don t know.
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I think on the last call, when I was talking to Natalie about all of this stuff, it was a little strange, right?
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I was a little agnostic about it, right?
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Because it s like, well, on meeting a stranger from the internet,
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high risk medium to high reward right because well you the risk is that the person kills you but the Like that s the worst possible that could happen But the best thing that could happen is that you get married and have children and live forever and ever Happily and the best things ever happen to you in your life and blah blah blah blah blah so I don t know I guess it s high risk high reward, but
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you know don t don t bring duct tape if you re gonna do that