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I ve been a journalist for over 25 years.
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On my new podcast, What Happened in Alabama, I get answers to some of the hardest questions about how things came to be for many black Americans and the truth that must come before any reconciliation can happen.
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Stephanie is really funny.
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Stephanie is fun.
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She s so hilarious.
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I brought her upstairs to be like, look, I finished putting my office together.
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And she was like, Oh, you know what it looks like?
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I was like, it looks like an attorney s office that you would visit in Omaha if you were rear ended.
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I was like, Oh, so now I really need to see it.
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So I have gavels and stuff.
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I ll just have you know, Sarah...
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I wore this jacket for you today, and do you know why?
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Oh, you wore it at... I love that jacket, that s why.
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No, you can t jump in a year later and say you love this jacket.
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This is the jacket you said looked like a sock puppet.
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You said, I look like a sock puppet.
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It does.
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It s like one of those monkey puppets.
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Okay, but you... Yeah, there you go.
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But you... I got this jacket and I loved it so much and you stripped me of that love for this.
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that night that you told me I looked like a sock puppet.
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I got to give myself a little credit.
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It s really, really expert because that s exactly what you look like.
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It s so frustrating because I put it on with a different kick in my step.
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Oh, God.
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Okay.
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We haven t even started this show.
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Sorry.
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I m very sorry.
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That s all right.
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Here we go.
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This is Don t Ask Tig.
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I m Tig Notaro, and it s looking like 2021 is going to be the year you just keep on asking.
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Today, Sarah Paulson is here with us.
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You know her from Ratched, American Crime Story, American Horror Story, Oceans 8, Carol, 12 Years a Slave.
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Basically, from every piece of film and TV.
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Welcome, Sarah Paulson.
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Thank you for having me.
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You know what I want to say is I didn t know your name was Notaro.
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I think people say it as one, you re like Madonna or you re Cher, you re, you know, Tig Notaro.
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Wait, you didn t know my last name?
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I knew it was, no, I didn t.
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Wait a minute.
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All these years later, you thought I was just Tig?
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I just thought you were.
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I didn t think it was Tig Notaro.
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It is Tig Notaro.
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I always tell people it s,
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Like, is there tar?
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No.
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No tar.
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No tar.
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And then, oh, no taro.
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I have nothing like Madonna.
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I like it, I just, I just thought it was Tignitar, like N apostrophe taro.
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No taro.
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No, no, I m gonna go with Tignitar, like I ve always said it, because I m my own woman.
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You sure are.
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You are your own woman, and I am my own woman.
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Correct.
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And whether people believe it or not, I am female.
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Sarah, I believe it.
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You play so many different characters in TV and film and on the stage even.
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Has that helped your ability to put yourself in other people s shoes, say, to give advice?
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I mean, I think I might be one of those
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people who irritatingly gives advice when it s not being asked for.
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Is that easy in a relationship?
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It s not great.
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I think Holland, if she were sitting here, would say, you know, she feels I comment a lot about everything she s doing.
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It sounds fun.
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It is, I think it s fun.
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I m not sure she does.
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How do you choose all of these different roles?
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Because they re pretty varied.
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I can tell your tone on varied was another word you wanted to choose that you thought might be slightly... No.
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Like you were trying to keep it nice.
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No, very impressively.
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I mean, this is coming from somebody who can only do Tig.
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That s not true.
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I ve seen the pictures of you in this upcoming flick where you re in this costume and this thing, and I am really ready for it and everybody s very excited about it.
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Sarah Paulson?
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I might look like that, but I open my mouth and it s Tig.
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Tig is flying a helicopter when I m on Star Trek.
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Tig is in space.
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Tig goes everywhere, okay?
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Tig goes everywhere Tig goes.
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Everywhere Tig goes, Tig is there.
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Yes, that s correct.
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That s for sure.
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I think for me, I don t ever think about choosing a part from the point of view of what s my brand, this whole thing people talk about all the time.
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I don t know what any of that means.
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I just think
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Am I terrified enough to say yes to this is usually what the barometer is for me.
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I really do like to be pretty convinced I can t do it.
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I won t be able to do it.
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And then I somehow feel ignited by that.
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And did you ever feel like in the end, you re like, wow, I really couldn t.
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Because from what I ve seen, you nail it every time.
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It s funny that I ve never really gone the full length of that idea in my mind, that like, yeah, the answer is yes.
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I think maybe I found things I ve done that are maybe not successful, but that were successful for me as an actor, actress, whatever it is.
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Not showing up as Tig everywhere I go, you know?
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I think we talked about that once, you playing me in a movie.
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I would love it more than anything I have to say.
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I want you to send me.
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My audition tape?
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Yeah.
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I m going to try to do a tape where I do my best Tig.
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I m going to get a sock puppet and put it there.
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How dare you?
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How dare you?
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I m going to.
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And would you really be open to doing comedy?
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Because you are, and I m not just saying this, but you really are.
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I don t, I mean, am I really going to say you re one of the funniest people I know, but you re so funny.
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And you re so, you get it and you, you don t miss a beat and you, you have all of those really amazing comedic qualities where, but no one asked me to do it.
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No one, no one asked me to do it.
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And I think maybe I ve just got one of those little,
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erroneous beliefs that I ve held on to that I can t do it somehow, you know?
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I have no proof.
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I have no proof that I can do it in a way where this is a known comedy, we re doing a comedic scene.
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I m like, I m desperate to see it.
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I m desperate to be in it with you.
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Let s be honest.
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Now, a random thing that I know about you is that you have a mammoth gargantuan
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vocabulary.
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Any tips for homo sapiens who want to dilate their lexicon?
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Oh, yeah.
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Nicely done.
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Read a book, kids.
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Read a book.
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Be interested in the myriad of ways you can communicate your innermost feelings without using a sort of traditional sort of boring, you know,
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This sentence is really falling apart for somebody who has a great vocabulary.
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How is Holland s vocabulary?
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I would say exquisite, but she says exquisite.
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And that is technically, I believe, how you re supposed to pronounce it.
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It s not exquisite.
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It s that is an exquisite blueberry, she says.
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She doesn t say blueberry.
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She says blueberry.
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I say blueberry.
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No, it s not blueberry.
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But I know, but it s fun to say that.
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And I say it to my little cubs.
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I say, would you like blueberries?
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Blueberries.
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Yeah.
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She says blueberry.
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She goes, Oh, I would love it with a little, um, do we have any blueberries?
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Oh, this is an exquisite blueberry.
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Oh my God.
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It tastes like a blueberry.
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It s fine.
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It s a fine blueberry.
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It s a very fine blueberry, but she would say exquisite.
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She has an excellent vocabulary.
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Now, Sarah, we are about to transition into questions.
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Oh, OK.
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OK.
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There are people out there that need help and they are relying on us.
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All right.
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Are you ready?
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I am ready.
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Okay.
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I know that was a little abrupt going from fine blueberry to let s help people.
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No, listen, you re not.
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You don t have to be an exquisite transitioner to be very good at this job.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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The first question, Sarah, comes from Courtney.
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Courtney writes, there s a guy I know who sometimes makes sexist memes.
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It s something I ve talked about with my female friends who also know him.
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Eventually, I confronted him to try and show him the harm he was doing, and my female friends encouraged this.
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He didn t take it well, saying I was too sensitive, and now we don t speak.
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My female friends applauded my effort, but they still like his non-sexist memes.
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That doesn t make sense.
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Yeah, it does.
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What she s I mean, if I may be so bold, what she s saying is they still like his postings that are not sexist overtly, meaning instead of just excising him completely and supporting her.
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Oh, I see.
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They re he they re still they re still responsive, just not about his sexist.
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OK, thank you for that.
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And it may.
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It makes me sad to see it.
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I unfollowed him, but he still comes up on my feed because of hashtags he uses that I follow.
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What should I do?
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Should I tell them?
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It hurts my feelings.
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It s not the first time I ve spoken out about something and have ended up with broken or tense friendships as a result.
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It s a tricky time, Sarah, with these kinds of things.
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I know for myself,
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I think you can make yourself crazy if you re policing who s liking what or... I guess it s a question to me for Courtney of, can she let go of other people s connectivity to this person without personalizing it, you know?
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It feels very personal to her that they agree with her about it in one area, but are not wanting to completely
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sever ties with him.
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And it s, I can t tell whether it s more important to Courtney that she have their allegiance or whether it bothers her more that they re okay with this part of his personality, you know?
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Yeah.
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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It s tough.
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I think it s really tough.
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People fall on such different places as far as sexism or what people call cancel culture, which I find so annoying because it s really just consequences for bad behaviors, how I feel.
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And it s really difficult to get into friends.
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It s difficult.
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It is.
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It s because it lacks, I feel like so much of what we re sort of mushing through right now is this, we brought up cancel culture, is just this world that sort of feels like it lacks nuance in terms of any person sort of sitting with something that is complicated.
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There isn t going to be
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a clear right or wrong, I think sometimes with these things that are really delicate and that involve human emotions that are not just like the sunrises and the sunsets.
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These are facts.
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How do we determine what gets forgiven and what a person has an opportunity to rectify and what causes a person to just be removed from society entirely?
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You know?
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Yeah, I m all for nuance.
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I m a big fan of it.
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I just don t think it s fair to have this blanket phrase of cancel culture
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and that it applies to somebody that misspoke all the way to a rapist, you know, I hope, yes, there needs to be some so that s exactly the point, a more nuanced even in the way in which we label it, or how it s,
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You know, well, that s why, yeah, that s why I struggle with the phrase cancel culture.
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But I feel like I don t even know if Courtney s listening anymore at this point.
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If I m honest.
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But Courtney, we re sorry.
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We re sorry.
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She wandered off and she s having a cracker.
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But she s in the woods.
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Yeah.
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But I would just say,
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maybe look at, are you focused too much on social media?
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And, um, Oh, you re going back to court.
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You re trying to, you re bringing it back to Courtney.
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That s good.
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That s good.
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I, that s what I would start to think if I was focusing on people liking things or who liked this or who s friends with that or whatever, you know what I mean?
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Um, I would think like taking care, yeah.
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Taking care of yourself is may, may very well, uh, dictate that you need to get off the,
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the social media.
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Yeah, or limit your time because people are really going to upset you and social media is just a hellhole.
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So Courtney, hope that helps.
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If it doesn t, you know, don t don t don t bother me about it.
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I m sorry.
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I guess what we should have said is, we don t know.
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We don t know.
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No, we don t know.
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Well, we have more questions for us waiting after the break, Sarah.
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So let s get in and
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at least try and help somebody.
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This transition s going terribly.
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We ll be right back.
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Sarah, please be quiet so we can transition, so we can go to a commercial.
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Sarah, please.
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Sorry.
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We ll be right back.
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I m Christina Cotarucci, and this season on Slow Burn.
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It s called Proposition 6.
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The Briggs Initiative.
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John Briggs is going to fire every gay and lesbian schoolteacher in California.
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With so much at stake, young people became activists.
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We can t let this happen in California.
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And activists became leaders.
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My name is Harvey Milford, and I m here to include you.
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Gays Against Briggs.
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Out now, wherever you listen.
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And we re back.
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Sarah, as we discussed, you have an impressive vocabulary.
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So this next question is just for you.
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Oh, meaning you will not be weighing in?
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I m going to go take a bathroom break and you can run the show.
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Great.
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Not a problem.
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Rachel writes, a podcaster that I otherwise enjoy keeps saying hone in on
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instead of home in on whatever shall I do for context the podcast focuses on true crime reporting so for example the podcaster might say the police began to hone in on a suspect help Sarah it s almost like you wrote this
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I didn t, but I want to tell Rachel something just because it s been told to me many times.
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By me?
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Nobody.
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No, by my sister, Elizabeth, who you know.
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She really gets on me about how much I sort of, you know, tell her when she s using a word incorrectly.
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And I just think, I just want you to be in the meeting that you re going to be in.
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And I want you to use the right word.
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I don t want anyone there, you know, with some big fancy college degree going, home, hone.
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And is it something, are you home in on it?
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Yeah, and I like to home in on just exactly what the wrong word is and I like to fix it.
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What do you suppose that is?
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Oh, it s a control issue.
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The problem is Rachel s very controlling.
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I mean, I m projecting, I m projecting.
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This is what I ve been told.
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It s like, why don t I let it go?
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Who cares if everybody s doing it?
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I mean, the problem I would have is what Rachel has, which is, this is your job, you re a host of a podcast, and this is what you re, you should actually know more than the average bear about how to.
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No, come on, please.
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It s a podcast.
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Sorry.
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It is a podcast.
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No, but this is a person, no, listen, quiet now.
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What I m asking for is- How dare you?
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You re hushing the host of a global sensation of a podcast?
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You just told me that this question was for me and that you were going to go to the bathroom.
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OK, well, I took you at your word.
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Obviously a bad idea.
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But what I m trying to say is if it were me, I probably would write it.
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And I would say I m a huge fan of your show, but it s making me nuts.
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Please find a way to educate yourself about this phrase since you use it often.
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Sign your good friend, Rachel.
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That s what I would do.
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You d sign it, Rachel?
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I d sign it, your good friend, Rachel, an avid listener.
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All right.
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I just, because I want to know when I ve said the word incorrectly, I do, because it s an opportunity to learn.
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I feel that way too.
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I actually, I m very sensitive to it and I ve had people tell me that I m irritating when I, so I understand and I actually do appreciate it.
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In fact,
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You know what I can t stand is I ve heard myself through editing on the podcast where I ve mispronounced words that are easy words.
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That you know.
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Like notaro.
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Even easier.
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But it s just because I didn t formulate the word correctly.
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It s not because I don t know the word.
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But if this person continues to say it incorrectly, I say,
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I say, if you re listening to this podcast and it s making you nuts, then put pen to paper and go to town.
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Let him know.
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Do it with love and kindness and tell them how much you love the show, but this one thing is making you absolutely banana pants and you can t handle it.
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Yeah, Rachel, write the host.
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Do what Sarah says.
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Yeah, you gotta write a letter.
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And sign, sincerely, Sarah Paulson.
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Okay, that s the answer I think that we ve come up with.
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And hopefully we helped you home in and hone in on a solution for your issue.
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Okay, Sarah, now that we re warmed up, before I ask the next question, do you ever bake at home?
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Not ever, not once.
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All right, well,
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with that.
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Well, I mean, was it going to go somewhere if I was like, oh, Tig, Tig, I make all kinds of things.
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I bake, I bake, I bake.
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You wouldn t believe what I do.
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I mean, why don t you ask Jennifer Garner to come on the show and maybe she ll talk about all that she bakes and you can have a whole conversation about baking with her.
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Why am I being yelled at?
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Why am I being yelled at?
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Because I asked if you bake.
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Because I want to know where you were going to go if I said, let s take two and I m going to say ten.
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Well, if you d stop yelling at me, I could get to the next beat and it would all be clear.
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But no, you want to take a minute and just rip me apart on my own global sensation of a podcast.
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All that said, Steve asks, my partner and I... Your transitions are just incredible.
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So smooth.
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It s like being on the Audubon.
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It s really something.
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Question three.
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Steve asks...
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My partner and I are a part of a group of friends that often shares baked goods, cookies, biscuits, scones, etc.
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whenever we make them.
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There is one couple who makes things that just aren t good.
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Sounds like a couple of Sarah and Hollens.
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Nothing from these close friends ever seems like they actually made it in the oven.
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They re pale, doughy creations.
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We are concerned that they think these taste good.
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How do we tell them the truth?
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Or should we suck it up and politely keep accepting undercooked treats for the foreseeable future?
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Steve.
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You know there s a pandemic, right?
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If the thing we re worried about is whether or not to tell our neighbor that they make a shitty gift that they ve given you, no, Steve, you cannot say anything about it.
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You can t.
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See, Sarah s coming from the point of view from somebody that can t bake or cook, so she s taking it personally.
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Well, I just feel like you can t criticize the handmade item because you deem it unworthy.
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You hear that, Steve?
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I think you can t tell them that it s a subpar baked good when they re offering you baked goods, or that you worry that they have no ability to taste.
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And the thing that really gets me is that Steve wants to know, is worried, that he and his partner are worried that they don t know what it tastes like.
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That really tickles me, because it s like, you re concerned that they don t know.
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But Steve,
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Who cares?
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Steve does.
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And his partner.
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But why do you care, Steve?
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Because they re putting the time and effort in.
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He didn t name his partner.
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He didn t name his partner because his partner is probably upset that Steve is asking.
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That s what I ve decided.
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I m going to do a little behind the scenes character study here.
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And I ve decided that Steve s partner did not want Steve to write this question because Steve s partner believes that they shouldn t say anything.
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I understand.
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But you feel like if you put the time and energy into making something delicious, and it was in fact delicious, and your friends were eating it, and then somebody delivered disgust on a pan,
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I think I would feel that it would be a great opportunity for my partner and I. Oh, you re not naming your partner.
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Interesting.
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I m assuming that I m pretending I m Steve.
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I m inside the story.
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Oh, sorry.
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Yeah, I couldn t follow that.
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Just different kind of actors.
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It s fine.
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What I m trying to say is that I believe this would be such, don t you think if this happened to you, you and Stephanie would find it endlessly hilarious?
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It would be the funniest thing ever.
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And I think there s a missed opportunity for Steve and his partner- To have a cackle.
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To have a real cackle about the absolute consistency with which
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The hideous baked goods are dropped off.
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I m on your side.
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So humor, it s an opportunity for humor here.
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It really is.
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I, if something disgusting showed up with good intentions, consistently.
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So funny to me, they re like,
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The Smithertons, they sent over their blueberry muffins.
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I mean, it would be so great.
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Sorry, Steve, but I can t I can t feel a tremendous amount of your pain.
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I feel like you ve got to just drop the humor lens right in front of the old peepers.
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Because I mean, if you really take it even further, imagine yourself having that horrible conversation with these people where you say, I find this terribly unsavory.
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And how can you not know?
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Here s another scenario.
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And then we re going to move on from Steve.
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And I want the editors to keep
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editors.
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Like, I have a team.
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There s one person.
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I need my assistant, my editors, and my San Francisco 49ers.
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I have an assistant.
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This is how I choose projects.
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I m a helicopter pilot and a great big shoot-em-up, bust-em-up movie.
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I m super cool.
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My name s Tig.
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You know what?
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I m going to invite you to a wrestling match.
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Yeah, guess who s gonna win it?
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You.
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Okay, so here s the other thing with Steve.
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I
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I think that what also might be happening is the Smithertines, is that their name?
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Smithertines.
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Smithertines might be actually the funny people in this scenario.
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They might be the ones that are- Maybe they re waiting.
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They re making- Maybe they re waiting for someone to be like- That is so funny.
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It could be like a social experiment to see like how long it would take for people to say something.
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Oh my gosh.
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Like an anthropological study about what will it take
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I think people who are actually friends.
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Yes.
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I think Steve and his partner are getting fooled.
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They re being duped.
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Yeah, they re being fooled.
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They re being duped.
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Yes.
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Whatever word you want to use, I just said.
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All right, Steve.
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Whatever.
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Best of luck with your half baked friend.
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Bye, Steve.
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Sarah, sadly, we ve arrived at our last listener question.
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Take a moment to realize that this is gonna end soon.
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Hillary writes, we can only assume it s Hillary Clinton, okay?
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Clinton, I was literally going to say it, but I thought, don t be stupid.
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Let Tig do it.
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Let Tig do that, but I almost said, I m sure it s Hillary Clinton.
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And then you edited yourself.
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She listens, and then I stop myself, which is, you know, the difference between the two of us.
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Meaning you re great and I m not as good as you are at this podcasting thing and all the other things too.
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Nutrition, veganism, comedy, helicopter piloting, parenting.
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Hillary Clinton writes.
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I m a mom of three small children and feel less and less in touch with myself.
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With all of the challenges of adulthood and parenthood, how do I keep up with things like new music, books, or podcasts that will fulfill my interests without spending hours committing by listening and hating it or researching online?
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Are there any reliable sources that won t constantly change?
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I feel like the world of technology changed the way we share media right when I had children and I didn t get the memo.
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Let s see.
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Is she looking for a gadget or an app?
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What I hear in there is that she doesn t have time to put in time to then be disappointed.
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And then I sort of say, well, then you can t live life.
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Mm hmm.
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Aren t we all kind of rolling the dice every time you sit down and you turn on the television, you make a choice to watch something and most things aren t very good, I think, right?
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Thank you.
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You re welcome.
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So I end up feeling like you got to just testing the waters and seeing what you like has got to be part of the thing that feels pleasurable to you.
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I mean, that s where it s kind of fun with social media.
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You can put it out there and ask your friends, hey, are there any books or podcasts or music I should be listening to?
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Because I find it hard to imagine that you re just aimlessly clicking around on podcasts or, you know.
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No.
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There s a lot of people and apps or whatever it is, friends,
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whatever that can point you in some sort of direction.
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But I do agree that it is fun to find something you don t like and discuss that.
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Yes, and discuss that and get very clear about what you don t like about it.
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There can be, I always like doing that, you know, hate watching something.
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Like I can t stop watching it, but I hate every minute of it.
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Also,
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Don t you have maybe some people in your life, your closest friend or somebody who you have a kind of like-minded interest in and stuff so it doesn t become... Isn t that what I just said?
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I guess, but I like to say it again.
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Oh, okay.
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My apologies.
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Say it a third time.
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Sure.
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You went on and on about Steven and all the different ways in which Steven and his partner could, you came up with a whole, you know.
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SPEAKER_00
Right, but they were all different.
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I presented an idea and then you cut me off only to present the same idea.
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No, because I m going to go somewhere more.
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I m just going to go somewhere better.
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Okay.
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Sorry to bother you.
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But I can t remember.
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I can t remember what it was.
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Didn t she have friends?
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That s your question.
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Did she have friends that could point you in the right direction?
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Like I said, I feel like Hillary Clinton should, uh, probably, I feel like what ends up happening is we, we are living in that time where everybody has a list, you know, every year, especially at the end of the year, they do best of lists and the worst of and things.
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I sort of feel like,
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it s probably more fun to sort of self-curate and figure out what speaks to you rather than only listening to the things.
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Unless sort of what she s asking, which it seemed like in the beginning, if she was feeling like she was getting left behind in terms of missing out on things that were happening in the moment and not being able to catch up.
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In which case, maybe there are some either magazines and things she reads online, whether it s New York Magazine.
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But she s never going to catch up.
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So maybe it s like letting go of that expectation and just starting where she is and seeing what interests her.
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I think about it all the time when I m doing laundry and folding clothes and that idea of thinking, I m going to catch up.
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You ll never catch up in life.
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It s just it s what life is all about.
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It s just always going to be changing.
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It s always going to be leaving you behind.
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And you have to make the decision to, like Sarah was saying, take the risks, see what s out there, catch up with it or fall behind.
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But it s a little acceptance might have to come into play here, sort of what you re saying.
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That is, you know, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Do you want to say that now?
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Well, I just wanted to bring it to a, you know, since you said you weren t good at, I was going to bring it to a. No, I didn t say I wasn t good at transitions.
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You said I wasn t good at transitions.
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I m pretty sure other people think it too.
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I just think Hillary Clinton should do.
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I should definitely take your advice.
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I thought what you said was very eloquent and actually right.
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Yeah.
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I think that s a very, very solid piece.
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Can we stay on this for a minute?
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Yeah.
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What else would you like me to say about it?
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Nothing.
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It just, it was eloquent, but it was, it was eloquent and it was wise.
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And I think that it s eloquent and wise what you said in that it s fun to explore.
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And it s fun to find the good and the bad.
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And to imagine that your neighbors, Steven, to bring you back into this conversation.
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But you know, we re not talking to Steve anymore, right?
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I just said to bring Steven back into it.
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It s it s it s.
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I think when you re-listen to it with your editors, you ll see that there was a place I was going that was, you know.
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Steve, I hope that helps listening to us.
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It s not Steve.
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I was getting to how it s not Steve.
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Okay.
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Steve, I hope that helps listening to us help Hillary Clinton.
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And Hillary Clinton, thanks for writing in.
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Oh my gosh, this has been the most unhelpful episode.
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Yes, I m sure, except for you did a really, that last one was really good for Hillary Clinton.
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Sarah, we have one more thing to do and that s it, okay?
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It s called Name That Thing.
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Oh.
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Name that thing.
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This is the part of the show where people write in when they need us to name that thing for them.
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Anything from a dog to a baby.
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The catch is they must use the name.
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Okay, okay.
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Lane writes, I am a 27-year-old who has just saved up enough money to buy my first car.
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It is a used Honda Civic in a dark royal blue color, and I want to customize it with vanity plates.
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Would you help me think of something clever to name my car?
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All right, so this is a Honda Civic.
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I used to have a gold Honda Civic.
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Really?
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Not to be braggadocious, but years ago, I named it Goldie Honda.
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And then I got a gold Honda CB350 motorcycle that then inherited the name Goldie Honda.
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And then I had a turquoise Honda CB350 that I named Kurt Russell.
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That s a really funny and very witty.
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I like it.
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Goldie Honda and Kurt Russell.
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So what can we do for Lane?
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A used Honda Civic.
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Royal Blue used Honda Civic.
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Okay, here s, I m spitballing, and maybe one of these will be good.
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What if the vanity plate said, first car, exclamation point?
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Do they have those?
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No.
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No, I don t think you can do a punctuation.
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Okay, first car.
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And it s like, yeah.
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Okay, what s your other?
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What s your other?
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Blue Civic.
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He said he did use the descriptive clever.
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That s clever in its own way.
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Okay, Royal Blue.
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Is there anything in there?
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Civic.
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Is there something with civics?
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Civic duty.
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And spell it D-O-O-D-Y?
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Civic duty.
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Yup.
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Enjoy your new car, Lane.
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Civic Duty is the name of his car.
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And you have to send a picture in.
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But it has to be spelled.
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D-O-O-D-Y.
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It has to be spelled duty, not duty.
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No, that s right.
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Duty.
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I want to see Civic duty.
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And the backup plan can either be first car or Honda Civic.
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Honda Civic.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Lane, if you want to be really bold,
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and cool.
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And you do because you re getting vanity blades.
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You want Civic Duty.
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Yeah.
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D O O D Y. Heard you the first three times.
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I like to repeat myself.
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All right, Lane, we ve named your car.
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Just remember, you have to use the name we came up with.
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Civic Duty.
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Do you want to spell it again?
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D O O D Y.
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Okay.
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Thank you for Sarah.
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Thank you for being on Don t Ask Tig.
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Do you want to promote anything?
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You have so many, so many great things.
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What do you want to promote?
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this podcast.
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Thank you for you.
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Thank you for you.
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Since you wanted Rachel to do it.
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Rachel, just how quickly.
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Oh, right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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OK.
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Why did I start this podcast saying how funny you were?
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I don t know why, you know, and we have this.
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We ve recorded it.
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SPEAKER_00
We have this.
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The podcast is over.
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We have this on tape.
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We have it on audio.
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Why do you have a bunch of gavels?
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I don t have a bunch.
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Why do you have one?
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Like, because I have a bunch having one and you re not a judge.
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What
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I was on a television show, and the challenge was for me to learn how to be an auctioneer.
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And I was presented with, you know, in recognition of your proven auction skills, you are hereby promoted to the rank of Colonel.
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Colonel Tig Notaro.
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Notaro.
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Notaro, yeah, my name.
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So can you do that thing where you re like... Like that stuff?
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SPEAKER_04
Sarah, I have to go.
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You know what I m asking you, right?
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Wait, I want you to give your best auction.
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I m going to... Here s a gavel and I want you... In fact, I ll send you a banana bread and a gavel.
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SPEAKER_02
Give me your best auction.
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SPEAKER_04
Okay, going once, going once.
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Going once, going once.
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Let s try it again.
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Okay, we still have the gavel.
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Okay.
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Let s give it your best shot.
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Nothing I m going to say is going to make sense.
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I m just going to.
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Yeah, I understand.
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SPEAKER_04
Everything s going on five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five, five
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And I love that you gave the heads up that nothing you say is going to make sense.
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Like I thought you were going to be rattling off, sensical.
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Okay, I want you to go for 20 seconds.
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Okay?
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20 seconds?
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I won t be able to do it.
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But just do it.
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Make your brain work so hard and go.
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SPEAKER_01
We gotta sell this gavel, come on.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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How many people going once, going, going, going?
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How many people?
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How many people?
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How many people going once?
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Why don t you start this next sentence off with who here?
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Okay.
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Oh my God.
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I mean, I m really going to lose my mind.
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I m having so hard.
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Okay.
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Ready?
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Let s sell this gavel.
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SPEAKER_03
I don t understand.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, oh, sell the gavel.
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Yeah.
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We re going to sell this.
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Who here is interested in this gavel?
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You have to do it fast.
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Okay.
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I m not going to be able to do it.
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This is your last chance.
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We got to sell this gavel.
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All right.
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Let s sell this gavel.
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Let s think about... Ladies and gentlemen, we re going to go here.
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Be quiet, be quiet, be quiet.
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Got to go everyone down in front.
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Be down, down, down.
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Wait, once you start laughing, just come back and continue.
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I can t because I can hear what I m saying.
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I know, but that s why you got to pull it together.
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And this is the hardest acting job.
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OK, I m not good at this.
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OK, this is I m directing you.
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OK, OK.
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So you laugh, you lose your mind, you duck, you come back.
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You don t miss a beat.
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OK, we got to sell this gavel.
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Okay, I respond best to action.
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Action.
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Everybody, you re welcome here tonight.
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We have a very, very, very, very exciting night.
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We have a lot of things to sell, sell, sell.
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And we got to get rid of this gal tonight here.
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Who s going once?
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Going once for the gal.
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Going twice, do I have 1,500?
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Do I have 12,000?
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$1,500 up to $12,000 for a gavel.
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For a gavel.
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I don t mean to laugh at myself, but that s some funny attempt.
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I m not doing it again, so get away from me.
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A gavel has been sold.
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Okay, Sarah.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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Thank you.
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You know, I haven t laughed like that in a long time.
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So I appreciate you.
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Well, I appreciate you appreciate and thank you for being on here.
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And I would highly on here.
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Don t Ask Tig is hosted by me, Tig Notaro.
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It s produced by Thomas Ouellette, Tracy Mumford, and Whitney Jones.
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Our editor is Phyllis Fletcher.
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Executive producer, Lauren Dee.
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Engineering and sound mixing by Eric Romani.
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Digital production by Christina Lopez.
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Talent booking by Marianne Ways.
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Production assistance by Nancy Hsu.
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Our theme music is Friend in Tig by Edie Burkell and Kyle Crusham.
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And Listen to Your Heart by Edie Burkell.
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You can always ask for advice at DontAskTig.org.
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You can also follow us on social media at DontAskTig.
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And as always, thanks, Dana, and I ll tell Becky.
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I m Christina Cauterucci, and this season on Slow Burn.
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It s called Proposition 6.
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The Briggs Initiative.
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John Briggs is going to fire every gay and lesbian school teacher in California.
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With so much at stake, young people became activists.
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We can t let this happen in California.
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And activists became leaders.
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My name is Harvey Milker, and I m here to include you.
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Slow Burn, Season 9.
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Gays Against Briggs.
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Out now, wherever you listen.