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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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My best work that I feel like I ever do, and including this interview, like anything that I m ever good at is when I m collaborating with people that are good at what they do, you know?
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And it s like, especially when it s kind of coming from different worlds is where, when it collides together and it actually turns into something new and fresh, that s what I thrive on the most.
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When Stefani, like never before,
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I absolutely loved doing this interview.
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She is so riveting and charismatic in person, and the way that she tells her life story is just like you can t turn away.
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It s so good.
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In this episode, we re sitting down with Gwen, a three-time Grammy Award winner, songwriter,
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performer, and frontwoman of No Doubt.
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She is also a multi-platinum solo artist, and she is the founder of Give Beauty.
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She created Give Beauty, a color cosmetics collection inspired by her iconic looks.
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I had the pleasure of her actually doing her iconic red lip on me.
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She did the liner.
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She did the lipstick.
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I m going to post it on TikTok.
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And I am telling you, this red lipstick was so good.
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My lips have never looked better with a red lip.
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I also posted a photo of me wearing the red lips.
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So go check it out on my Instagram.
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And Gwen offered you guys an incredible code.
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She s giving 30 percent off at give beauty dot com site wide.
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Go get this lipstick.
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I m telling you, you can use code skinny at checkout.
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That s give beauty dot com for 30 percent off.
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I m sure you also know that no doubt is playing at Coachella.
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All right, let s do this.
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Gwen, welcome to the him and her show.
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This is The Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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Gwen Stefani is in studio looking so cute.
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Thank you.
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With an amazing ensemble.
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I am so excited to have you.
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We ve wanted to have you on the podcast for so long.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Dang.
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Of course.
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Yes.
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Well, congratulations to you guys.
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I mean,
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Freddie, I looked you guys up before I came.
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I was like, wow, they did it.
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Like, they re huge.
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It s rare.
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You know what I mean?
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In your old school, and you re doing so many things.
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It s just, it s cool.
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It s nice to meet you guys.
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Michael s going to take that clip and play it to himself.
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I was in my office warming up to your song, Just a Girl.
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I was in there like rocking out because I was thinking, I was like, when we first started, we met when we were 12.
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I heard this story right before I came in, and it s so cute.
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Keep going.
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That song was banging back then.
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That was probably on some of our date routines.
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It s so funny.
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My son met his girlfriend when they were in sixth grade, and they re still together.
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How old are they now?
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Well, now he s going to be 18.
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And they re like so awesome together.
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And then my little baby brother who you just met, the guy that s with me, he met his wife, my sister-in-law, when they were 15.
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And they re still together.
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And then my parents met when they were 15, and they re still together.
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So it s not like that common, but it s so inspiring to meet somebody that met their soulmate when they were little.
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I put him on ice.
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She put me on pause for like 10 years, 8 years, 9 years.
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I was like, that s a long time.
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I need a minute.
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There s so much to cover with you, but I just would love to tell your story from the beginning.
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Where d you grow up?
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What was your childhood like?
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Let s go way, way, way back before all your success.
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Oh, I thought you were going to read something.
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I m like, oh, you want me to say my story?
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Okay.
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Well, I was born in Anaheim, California, which is right down there on the five.
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And I have, like I told you, my parents met when they were in high school.
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They went to Anaheim High School.
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And my parents were pretty, like, into music.
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Like, my dad played guitar and piano.
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And there s a little music in the family.
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Like, my grandma was, like, this fiery redhead that played the trumpet at that time.
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That was kind of crazy.
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Her dad, like, reconstructed, like, pianos.
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This is, like, in the Depression when they came here.
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It s, like, crazy history.
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Then fast forward to being a dyslexic little girl that didn t know and didn t know what I was going to do when I grew up at all and had no gifts or talents or ambitions or dreams, not even dreams.
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I was just like, how do I get through this class?
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And then we started a band because, and I was 17, and there was like a high school talent show.
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And so everybody, I, my older brother was like the really talented, like, eccentric guy.
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And I just kind of was like, really looked up to him.
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He was like my best friend in high school.
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We did everything together.
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And he played keyboards and he s the one that brought home like this Madness record, which is a band out of England that did this music called Ska, which was super underground.
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Nobody like really knew it.
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Some people might have known like Our House or like It Must Be Love, which was just like two songs they played, but like Operation Ivy type stuff.
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It was, it was way before that, but it was like ska.
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So it was, it basically started in around the same time as like punk rock in the late seventies, like in England.
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Punk rock vibe.
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It was very punk rock.
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And there was like a lot of bands that went in that whole thing.
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So we got really into that and we thought, Oh my gosh, we discovered something nobody knows.
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And so we did the talent show.
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Then we were like, okay, now we re gonna, we re gonna make a real band.
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Like that was so fun.
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And,
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And then we did No Doubt and we didn t, we weren t trying to like make it, we were just like, this is what we do.
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Like this is what we do.
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When you re really, really little though, do you look back and see little moments where you were musically talented?
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Like now that you re, you don t see anything, there s nothing that you look back and think?
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The only thing I know is that like I, like I d be in the back of the
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Station wagon on the way to church like and I feel like I knew like every song that would come on the radio I could sing along to it and I knew that I liked singing like I could sing but I don t mean like I could sing I just felt like Physically loved to sing and I would sing along to like the Annie soundtrack or like the sound of music or like I was really into like those kind of musicals when I was a kid, but
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I didn t, I promise you, like I was like, I just, I didn t know anything about who I was or what I was going to be until I wrote my first song.
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And when I wrote my first song, I didn t even know I could write a song.
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I just like, it just wrote, it just happened.
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Like I always feel like it just channeled down and it was like God s gift to me and I m like, oh my God, really?
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I can do this?
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It was like a magical power that I didn t know I had.
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And nobody taught you how to like put them together or?
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No because my brother was the main songwriter in the group and he s so creative and so incredible and he ended up like quitting the band after about nine years because he was an animator and he was working for the Simpsons and he just wanted he didn t he s like a true artist in the sense he won t he didn t want to collaborate he didn t want to label he didn t want anyone trying to like change him or you know what I mean he just was he s like a very purist kind of guy
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Yeah, so then I started writing because he was not there.
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So then that s just and then also I got broken up with and then It was like my whole when he quit the band and I got broken up with it around the same time That s when I was like, okay.
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I ve just started They just came out.
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I don t even know how to describe it.
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Why didn t you write any songs when I broke up with you?
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I dated other guys
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I was, you know, writing terrible songs.
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Nobody would listen though.
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So, do you remember the first moment that you started to feel traction and momentum within your band?
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I can remember, like, it s so cute when I think back to how young we were and like,
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the way we had our own world within our own world.
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Nobody was telling us what to do.
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We didn t have a label.
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Nobody was telling me, oh, put your makeup like this, or wear this.
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It was just homemade, completely homemade.
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To the point where we had a cigar box, the band account, literally.
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Old-school with money in it like every time you d make money you d put it in and go back into the band like it was really like Organized for a bunch of nerds that had no idea what they were doing But we were all going to college and we all had other plans to try to be something and make it and you know We were all just kind of good kids, but we just loved doing this music
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And my brother ended up moving out into my grandma and grandpa s house after they passed away.
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And it was in Anaheim on this street called the Beacon Street.
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He lived there and I lived like five minutes away.
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Did you guys just start touring, and then people discover you, or did you actively go out?
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No.
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We didn t have any means to really tour.
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Like I was saying, my brother moved into this house, and it became the band house, right?
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And so I lived like five minutes with my parents still.
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So I lived with my parents until I was 26, and I just kept going, because I told you I was dyslexic.
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I had to start over again with college, so I went to community college, and I had to get all the points and all the...
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Everything to like finally go and transfer to Cal State Fullerton, and then I was gonna be an art major And I just I was just floating.
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I don t even know how to describe it like it That s why I really believe in my my like like God because it s like otherwise like how did this happen like it s so ridiculous I basically basically at that time so then all the other members started coming together because there s like a lot of different evolution of people that ended up being
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no doubt.
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Then those guys like moved into the band house and we built like a studio there and we would just go there and we would rehearse like every Thursday and Sunday like we would and everybody s going to school so.
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I think at that time we, we just, we knew that we were lucky.
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Like we just always were good live and we could go play places and people would come.
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I don t know why.
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Like I can remember the first time I went to Tower Records and I went in there and I was like, I think people are recognizing me.
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Like, this is like in Anaheim.
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I remember shopping in Tower Records for your CD.
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That s so funny.
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I remember buying your CD.
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It might ve been Warehouse.
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But either way, cool.
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I remember like being at this camp, Camp Fox.
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It was the summer camp.
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We went to Camp Fox.
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Yeah, I went to Camp Fox and I remember somebody.
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We grew up in San Diego, so.
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Oh, okay.
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And I remember like somebody being like, hey, yeah, we heard your demo.
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And I was like, what?
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How?
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Like, because we used to make like little cassettes and like give them out, you know, like 50.
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How did you hear?
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It was like, we only made 20 or whatever.
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So it was just really like a slow burn and we
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We never thought we were going to make it, but I think our biggest goal was to tour or to have music on a record, but how do you do that?
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You have to have money to do that.
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So until you get signed, which I didn t even really know what that meant, but the guys were like, we ve got to get signed or whatever.
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And the way we got signed was we...
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found this guy that was working in the mailroom at William Morris Agency that was just this like surfer, kind of like skater guy that got friends with Tony.
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And he somehow put some like a showcase together.
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And this guy, Tony Ferguson, that used to live in England and do all that, like he used to work at this label called Stiff Records.
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It was like this whole, all the ska bands were on there.
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He saw us because he s English and he s like, oh my gosh, they re doing this here.
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Like what s going on?
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And so then he made us do a showcase for Jimmy Iovine.
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And Jimmy had just started Interscope, there was nobody on the label, I think it was Marky Mark maybe had been, and I think this band called Primus, I don t know if you remember them.
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And he came down and he said to me, he pulled me aside at this showcase, it s basically a showcase, it s like us in a room playing our song, being all crazy like we re on stage, but there s nobody there but them.
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Do you know what I m saying?
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Like a fake show.
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He pulled me aside, he was like, yeah, like, I didn t know who he was, I was so naive.
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He was like, you re gonna be a star in six years.
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And I was like, what?
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Who are you?
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Like, get out of my face, Jimmy.
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And he was like... Was he right?
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Was it six years?
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Six years on the dot.
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Wow.
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Don t speak with number one around the world and just such a weird...
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I feel like looking back, you had the star quality.
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He said it to you.
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Did you know that you had?
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No.
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You had no idea?
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No, I can remember things happening though, like live.
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Like I can remember, we had a lot of things happen.
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You know, Mark McGrath was in here and he was talking and he was telling a similar story.
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Like, I mean, he s an Orange County guy too.
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And it was like one day they were just playing and nobody knew them.
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And then the next day, like
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Was that how it was for you?
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Was it a snap or no?
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It wasn t.
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It was really because we were built into this like automatic audience of the kind of music we were doing.
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There would be like, for example, I played in Vegas this week last New Year s and the guy that s like the CEO came into the room.
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He was like, you don t understand.
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Like I used to be into all that music and we used to take our scooters and rally to go see you guys play like he s from Arizona.
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And like so like the scene was very like
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loyal and like everybody that was in it was like underground and they knew about it and it was like their thing.
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Do you know what I m saying?
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So like if you knew you were gonna play with these bands, everybody that liked that music would show up.
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So we got really lucky in that way and then as we kind of evolved, we started getting the haters like back then like, oh they re doing, that s not Ska anymore.
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You know what I mean?
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The haters are good for you though, right?
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It s like good PR.
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We just didn t know anything that we were doing, so we would just make it up, and then it would be our next song, you know what I mean?
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So it was very like— But I can remember moments where I d be on stage and, again, remember nobody ever—nobody in charge, like just were in charge.
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And just feeling like, oh my gosh.
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I don t know, like, I know what I m doing up here.
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One thing about you that I think that you did really well, and I m wondering if this was strategic or just natural, is you stood out amongst all of the women that were coming up at that time.
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Like, you were an outlier.
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For me, it was like, I, I was so me the whole time that I didn t even, I was so naive and I didn t know anything, like, about anything else that was happening.
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because I was from Anaheim, we never came up to LA.
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I remember the first time I came to Melrose to go shopping, and I got to see all those punk rock stores and all the vintage stores, because I was really super into thrifting and anything that was old or vintage.
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I used to make clothes a lot, so I was very into my own personal style, but only because probably
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My grandma made my mom s clothes.
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Her mom made her clothes.
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Like, my mom would make my clothes when I was little, so it was like a creative thing that was... I don t know why.
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Like, I don t know why I like pizza so much.
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Like, I just always liked...
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clothes and like just being like different and wearing something that I thought was like cool and finding my style it was just always just something I did so the fact that like and it was always done under really restricted situation where there was no money and how am I gonna make this work right so it s like I can remember my mom being like okay
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we re going to go to the mall for school shopping.
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And I m like, I don t want to go to the mall.
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Like, can you just give me like a hundred dollars and I ll go buy like a bunch of stuff at the thrift store and like, and I d bring it home and, and like sew it and make it into whatever I was going to wear.
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Like.
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Like resourcefully creative.
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It was just fun.
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I don t know.
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And it s.
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Like when fame started happening, do you feel you handled it well or was it something you had to adjust to?
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I think I handled it really well because that naive, innocent, just floaty personality I had was just like, okay, what s next?
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I didn t think much about anything except for what was the next outfit I was going to wear and how I was going to do my makeup on stage.
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I don t know, I was just very simple back then at that time in my life.
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I didn t really know anything about what was going on with being signed and what that meant and touring.
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They would just hand me the book and I d be like, I know it makes me sound so dumb, but I was very much floating at that time.
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But I was doing all the creative part.
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That s the part that I like to do.
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You were putting your energy towards what you needed to do.
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Yeah, I was dreaming about what s the next look?
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How are we going to do the set list?
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That kind of stuff.
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I don t know, it s weird to go back and think about all that stuff right now.
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No, when you hear really successful celebrities talk, the really, really successful ones, it s a slow build.
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It s not like—sometimes I think in this day and age, in 2024, people get famous like that.
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And I think it s so much better to be slow and not so quick.
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I was also really old.
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Like, I was 26 when Just a Girl came out.
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I d already been- I look at you as like 19.
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Is that old?
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It s not old.
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I d already been in my band nine years.
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So like I had already been like doing shows like basically our record was being mixed by this guy and he loved the record so much and Interscope didn t know what to do with it so then this guy was like he had a label and he s like can we work this record but I knew like
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Like, it was us, Goo Goo Dolls, and it was an arena tour, and we d never done something like that.
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We toured, but not like a huge arena.
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But I don t know, I would just like wake up in the morning, put on my rollerblades, like rollerblade around, get ready, put my makeup on, I had like my one outfit, and just get up there and be like, you guys are about ready to get sliced.
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You have no idea what s gonna come right now.
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from me.
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Is MTV playing back in this?
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Because we grew up with the women, the Carson, what was the TRL?
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Oh yeah, it s huge.
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It was total MTV world, like being able to make a video and, you know, even getting on the radio because we were, you re San Diego, we were like K-rock, right?
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Because K-rock was... Was it 103.5?
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Was that it?
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No.
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106.7.
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What was 103.5?
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I thought that was another one too, but anyways.
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What a 3.5 is all the young people like what the fuck are you know?
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That s the shit right there.
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I think we re supposed to be on the tour for like eight weeks, which is forever.
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If you think about it, like your first... Is it every night you re playing or every other night or how often?
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I think we play like, you know, three in a row and then one off and then two.
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It was pretty... It was a lot.
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And they had already been huge.
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So they were... What happened was, how it works is like you play like the, you know, the big markets like the L.A.
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and New York and all that.
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And then there s secondary markets, they call them.
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And so the tour just kept getting extended because it was so, it was us, we kept getting bigger, right?
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And everybody just kept getting bigger and the tour just kept getting bigger and bigger and they just kept adding dates, adding dates, adding dates.
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And how many people are you playing in front of, you think?
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It s an arena, so like anywhere from, you know, it could be like 10,000 to 15,000.
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Damn.
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That s gotta be the craziest feeling.
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It was amazing.
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It was really amazing and really like,
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Like in weird and lonely and just I don t know how to describe it.
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You just feel like it s just everything blurs into each other every day, you know, and you re in a different place, but you don t know where you re at.
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And there s no cell phones everywhere.
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No, there s no cell phones.
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And you just have like literally a little book that they give you that s like, OK, you have.
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And I would count.
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I d be like, OK, a hundred more shows.
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I ll be home in like five months or whatever.
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But that No Doubt tour, we basically did the Just a Girl video, walked to the airport, like from the shoot, and went on tour and didn t really come home for two and a half years.
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And we, because Just a Girl came out, then it was Spiderwebs, then
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Then the third single was Don t Speak, which then at that point, that took like a year and we started over with that song like worldwide.
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Like we started, we ended up in India at the end.
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Like we were like, so we d never been, I d never even left.
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The furthest I d been was San Francisco.
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We went one trip when I was 21, we went to Italy for two weeks.
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So for me, like I hadn t gone anywhere.
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And it was just an amazing life like if anything if there s anything that I could say was my number one Thing about my success was the traveling like to be able to see culture around the world and see how music Ties us and pulls us all together like to have a song that is about my actual true life be able to be translated in all these languages and people just
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somehow look at me like they know me and relate to me so much.
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It was like, that was the craziest part, I think, and the most fulfilling and just, I don t know, I learned so much about myself and about people and the traveling is everything.
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How does your friends and family feel when you re gone for two years?
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How does that work?
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Well, I would come home, like, you know, like for a little, like, okay, and I still lived at my parents.
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So, like, because I, because I left, I had probably, like, maybe $2,000, because I was, you have to remember, let s back up.
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So, when I was 20, around 19, so, like, right around, actually, the time when John had passed away,
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I was working at the mall with Tony, and I was working this place called Plaza Sportswear, which was like an old ladies, women s pull-on pant outfit thing, and I loved working there, actually.
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And then I wanted to be a makeup artist.
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I was like, they re so pretty, and I know I can do that.
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I m just going to ask if they ll let me be a makeup artist.
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And I literally just went to my manager and was like, I really want to try to be a makeup artist over there.
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They re like, well, let s see if there s an opening or whatever.
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Just open the gate.
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They were like, go in and you re going to work for Borghese Ultima II.
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Like, here s a little lab coat and pretend that you know what you re doing.
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Because they didn t teach me anything.
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They didn t send me to school.
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They didn t have reps come out.
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They were like, if you sell this many, you re going to get to get this old Calvin Klein sample of this fragrance and you can take it home.
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It s been used by a hundred people, but you re gonna win that Or if you sell enough makeup you can take this old You know like eyeshadow that s been basically on display for people to use as your gift to come home to it.
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I was like yes
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Yes!
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That s how we did it in the old days.
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So I worked at the makeup counter for I don t know how long like but it was really like I didn t have any training I just was it would be like people would come in and be like do my makeup and I think for me like that was just such an incredible thing to be able to give somebody that gift of makeup because as we know like when you feel your worst it can really
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turn things around, and I could just remember women coming in just being desperate, like, not knowing what to buy, not knowing how to feel beautiful, and I would just do their makeup and tell them how to wear it or whatever, and they d buy something, and they d walk away, like, almost crying when they look at themselves in the mirror, so.
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Was it weird for your friends and family when you come back from performing in arenas of 20,000 people, or was it normal?
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My family was like, obviously, nobody thought that was gonna happen, and so when I would come home,
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like the dining room table would be literally full of like CDs and whatever it was that people had given my parents with like a post-it with their name to sign.
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That s cute though, it sounds like your parents were super supportive.
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They were really supportive.
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They learned really quick to say, no, we re not doing that more because it would just be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
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And also like my dad at the time, we had, you know, we didn t have cell phones.
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So it would be like my answering machine would be there.
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So he d be like, OK, like I got all your messages off your answering machine.
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And like, you know, we had little cassettes back then.
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And so I remember I remember coming home and like listening to all my messages.
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And I don t know, it was and then basically once that big tour was over, I was like, I was rich, like rich.
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and I went and bought a house, and me and my sister moved up to LA, and my house was like a little mini mansion, and it was just like, what?
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And that was when the real work started, because that was when it was like,
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Okay, I gotta be a real songwriter.
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I need to take myself seriously.
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I need to write.
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I suddenly got really serious about myself, and that s when we started writing this record called Return to Saturn, which took forever.
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You ve been in the space a long time.
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You ve seen probably the good, the bad, the ugly, all of it.
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In the beginning and maybe now, how do you filter out like who s there for the right reasons and who s there for the wrong reasons, especially when you re starting to have all that success?
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Because, you know, especially in this town, people start to get attention and all sorts of people start to crawl out of every other kind of rock.
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How did you kind of navigate that?
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It was a really small circle.
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I am so close with my own family.
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You saw my brother s here.
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He does everything with me.
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My sister was living with me.
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And with No Doubt, we were just like a family.
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We did everything together and all we ever did was No Doubt.
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At that time, we were just writing, just trying to make another record.
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Everything that we did was centered around that.
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There wasn t like a lot of room for anyone to even get into the inner circle.
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Yeah, it was just like such a small group of people and we worked so hard.
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Like, no one told us how to work hard, but like you think about it now and how things are different and how people s mentality is different, but like for us it was like,
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We would literally go to rehearsal and like I would be like, Dad, I need five bucks because I need to get a microphone to rent.
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And he d be like, and it was just to rent a microphone so I could rehearse.
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And we would like basically, you know, my dad was one of the first ones to buy a video camera when they came out.
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And so we would like videotape ourselves at rehearsal.
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And we were like, we had such a buzz that we
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We were at this place called Stompbox in Orange County and a lot of bands played there.
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It would be like, you know, a lot of heavy metal bands and, you know, just people trying to make it or whatever.
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And they have these little windows like you have at school, like a tiny little window.
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And we would have people like,
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we were nobody but everybody would watch us in there because we were we would do these full shows and I guess that s just how we got good because we would just like if we were stutter we d start a song would be like you messed up we d start over again like it was literally legit hard work that we put in on ourselves and I don t know how you get you know at that time it was five people that would agree to do that but it was meant to be you know what I mean and
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What s your favorite memory of a song that you ve written?
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I think the most craziest one, which is very unusual, would be Don t Speak, because that s the song that still, like, even my little baby, he s like, my favorite song of yours is Don t Speak.
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And he s like, nine.
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And I m like, he doesn t know any of my songs, really.
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But like, he just, he knows that one, because everyone knows that song.
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I don t know how, but it just keeps living on.
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But my brother had written the original song, my older brother, and it had a completely different verse and different lyrics, like completely different.
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My brother was so eccentric, like we would practice all day and then we would leave and then he would stay up all night smoking cigarettes and eating Fritos and like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and we d come back and he d have a masterpiece.
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Like we d be like, so mad, like how did you do, you know?
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And he had done that with Don t Speak.
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started playing it to us, and we were like, the chorus was, it was just a really amazing song, really amazing, but it was very long, very detailed.
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So the label was like, this song is, the chorus is incredible, you guys just need to simplify it, you know?
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And that s where my brother s like, I don t wanna hear anybody s input, you know what I mean?
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This is such an artist kinda guy, eccentric, and he was making fun of that, and we sat down at the piano, me and him, and he goes,
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you and me, but he didn t do the lyrics.
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It was just do-do-do, because it used to be da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-
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Now when I m writing music, which I ve been writing a lot of music, I have a whole record coming this year, which I m just, hello, excited about.
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But yeah, we basically now I just, I feel like.
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I feel like when I write now, it has to be, like, really... You go through different phases, because, like, obviously, like, during the solo period, I wrote outside the band, and I was working with, like, professional songwriters.
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Like, I didn t even know that existed when I was in No Doubt.
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People that just do nothing but write.
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Yeah, and there s always, like, flavors of the month.
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People that are, like, making all the hits.
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Like, you know, I remember with Pharrell, he had never written outside of hip-hop, right?
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when I first met him.
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And, like, for whatever reason, I think it was probably Jimmy s idea for us to go in together, and I really wanted to do it.
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He was in his band, Nerd.
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We were in No Doubt.
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And it was like, come on, guys, we gotta go do this.
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We d never written outside of the group.
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And so, anyways, we went in the studio with Pharrell, and he was just this frickin  cute guy at record plant, comes in on one of those, like, Razor scooters, like, looking like a babe, and, like,
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And he had like five different studios going at one time.
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And he played us like five tracks and one of them was hella good.
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And we were like, that s the one we re going to do.
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And like within like maybe
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15 minutes, like I was like, I want to write a song called Hella Good, because I think that s a cool, I want it to be a dance song, I want it to be fun, like nothing deep.
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And we wrote the song, it was like over, like I don t even know how we did it, it was just done, and then the band was very like, I don t know about that song, because it was so different for us, you know, and I kept listening to it, I was like, you guys are freaking crazy if we don t do this song, this song is like incredible, like da-da-da.
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And so that was the first time working kind of outside of the group and working with somebody that was so far out of our genre.
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Like, he s a genius, you know?
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And so then I went on to get to work with him a bunch.
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But it s just always my best work that I feel like I ever do, including this interview, like anything that I m ever good at is when I m collaborating with people that are good at what they do, you know?
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And it s like that energy of like,
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especially when it s kind of coming from different worlds is where when it collides together and it actually turns into something new and fresh.
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That s what I that s what I thrive on the most.
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It s like the juxtaposition of it just works.
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Yeah.
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That song, by the way, I remember grinding you on your penis.
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Wow.
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When I was writing that, I was thinking I was hoping that was going to happen when I wrote that song.
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Thank you, I guess.
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You did the dance album.
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What was the first thing that deterred from music?
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You ve obviously done a lot of different things besides music.
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What was the first thing?
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Well, I wanted to do acting like you would if you got famous and you were like, I want to be an actress, you know.
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So I started reading a lot of scripts and like going to a lot of castings.
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And, you know, I feel like I ended up doing a couple little things, but it really wasn t for me.
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Like after like.
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Yeah, it wasn t for me.
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But I also, I don t know why I got the idea, but I guess because I had always made my own clothes, I wanted to do a clothing line.
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I was like, it was so naive.
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I was like, I m gonna do a clothing line.
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Like, I don t know how you think you re gonna do this, because you ve never done that before, and you re just gonna do it.
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And I was like, no, I m doing it, like to myself.
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So my agent at the time, I said, I want to do a clothing line.
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It was one of those, again, like synchronicity, like God things where this guy calls up.
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He s like, hey, I would want to do a clothing line like, you know, we could do it.
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And and I I started doing it and I did lamb and I just came up with the whole like, OK, it s going to be lamb.
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Love Angel Music, baby.
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And just started creating this brand out of nothing.
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And at the same time, this guy
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came to me to do handbag designing for the sports sack, which was I had one.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, they were huge in the 70s and then they were kind of having a little comeback and they were trying to get it cool again.
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And so this guy that had owned it at the time was like,
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would you want to be a guest designer and like for me again I was talking about the 90s and how people thought like if I did something and tried to sell it to people that were my fans I feel like they would think like you re just trying to get our money like what are you doing and for me I was like no I m doing this because I love to design clothes and I want to
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make my own dream closet and da da da.
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And then when he said designer, I guess designer, like it tickled my like ego.
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I was like, that s cool.
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Like.
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feels arty, you know?
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And so I did it.
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And I just thought like, oh, I know what it needs to be.
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And then you couldn t even like walk down the street in New York without somebody having that bag.
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It was like the greatest like received thing.
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And that to me was like validation, like, wow, like they don t mind.
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They just want they just want whatever it is, like they just want to be part of it, you know, and whoever these people are that love me and I love them.
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So I was like, I m just going to.
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So then I started Lam and that was
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That was like a really huge chapter.
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And at the same time of doing the, you know, the bags and the clothing line, which was crazy, like I had a place in New York on Broadway.
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I had a showroom like it was weird.
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I don t know how I did.
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And then it was really amazing to be doing fashion show runway shows in New York.
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with just coming up with ideas.
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I put my whole heart and mind and body, everything into that line.
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And then I did the first solo record, which was, again, the most creative I think I ve ever been able to be free and just be like,
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I didn t even know I was gonna feel that way.
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I just wanted to do a dance record and it just like my mind was exploding.
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Is it because you got to just do everything you wanted to do without having to worry about, not that collaboration was bad, but it was just like you didn t have to maybe get approval or have it run through anybody but you?
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I think it just felt like there was no limit, yeah.
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Like I could be girly, I could have background dancers, I could wear costumes, I could do costume changes, like everything that I couldn t really do in the band because we already had our own kind of aesthetic and our own rules.
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But yeah, definitely.
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But I didn t really think I thought about that at the time.
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It just felt like an explosion.
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And then after that was like, you know, I was about ready to go on the tour, which I wasn t going to tour on those records because I didn t want to take that away from the No Doubt time or whatever.
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But I was like, I got it.
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It was just like in me to do it, because how do I not tour this now?
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Like it was so huge and so amazing and so creative.
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And so I was about ready to do that.
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It was going to be a really short tour.
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And I find out I m pregnant with Kingston.
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And I was in rehearsals and I was like so sick and like I had twisted my ankle and it was like the saddest tour.
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It s like the first time I had to work with this band, first time I ever had dancers, first time I ever did costume changes, first time being pregnant.
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And I think I like, you know, cried like every night, threw up.
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And my costumes were like every time
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Like first time I had boobs like it was like everything at first and I the costumes just kept getting like expanded expanded expanded But yeah, that was that was the beginning of the babies And so there was a lot of output during that love angel music baby phase.
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How many years did you do the voice?
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Eight seasons.
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Wow.
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So it s not years because it s like I didn t do them consecutively, but it s been I m I started when well Apollo is gonna be 10 in February then in February
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So eight seasons, but if you were to correlate, it was like a 10-year period.
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Oh my God, that sounds so crazy.
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The first time you did The Voice, the first episode, did you immediately know, like, I m exactly where I should be, this is amazing, or did it take some time to get into?
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Basically got a call the same time as I got the call for The Voice from Pharrell.
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And I m literally laying in bed, like, after giving birth, five weeks, and he s like, hey,
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I m going to be at Coachella.
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You want to come down and like sing Hollaback with me? 
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I was like, well, maybe I can do it.
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Like maybe I can go down there and I pack the baby up.
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And this is you got to remember Pharrell had kind of died out and I feel like nobody was believing in him.
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And he comes back and he has like three huge hits.
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He has Happy, he has the Daft Punk song, I can t think of the name of it right now.
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And then he had like one other, they were three gigantic hits out of nowhere.
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He was just like, I m not done yet.
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So I went down there and I remember it was like a sandstorm.
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I had the baby on the bus.
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He was tiny, you know, five weeks and did the Hollaback Girl.
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And that was the start of it.
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And then that same season, they were like, guess who the other coach is going to be?
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It s going to be Pharrell.
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And so for me, like I had never done it.
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But again, like in my own naive way, I just was like, oh, this I didn t think about it hard.
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I just kind of like I was busy nursing and trying to do two toddlers.
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And, you know, well, I guess the babies were older, but they were crazy and just went down there and just
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I started watching like a lot of the episodes just so I could see what the game was, you know?
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And everybody there was just like incredibly friendly.
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It was like a family.
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Everybody was so...
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they automatically thought I was like gonna do this thing and I just believed that I could do it and it was so amazing and so much fun and it was a perfect inspiration for me because there s so much music that you see and so much hope and so much fresh dreams and and then you can look back on your own career and go oh my gosh like I did that I did that and that s like
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super, like, fuel for your own fire.
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And then me and Pharrell ended up, like, he s knocking on my door and he s like, I got this track.
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And, you know, we wrote this song called Spark the Fire together.
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And it was just like a really, like, comeback, new life, rise from the ashes moment.
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And remind me on the show, was Blake there right away or did he come later?
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Yeah, Blake and Adam were originals.
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They were the originals.
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Yeah, and Christina and CeeLo.
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And then when, like I took over for Christina just for that season.
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But Blake, like I said, nursing, like I didn t really get to know people too good and we re all in reality the entire time.
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So it s like you leave your trailer, you re miked and you don t really, like you ll have like, you know, a meeting with like
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the producers will be like, okay, we re going to do this scene or whatever, but you re just pretty much, there s no time to really hang out with people.
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So I didn t really get to know Blake that season.
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I do remember discovering him because I didn t know who he was before.
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I didn t even know he existed in the planet.
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I didn t know country.
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Perfect.
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That s the way to get the guy.
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Guys, that s the way to get the guy.
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I don t even know if Lauren knows I exist still.
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I m right over here.
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Well, I literally like, yeah, you know, didn t see him in any way, but like, he s a superstar because on that show, he s incredibly funny.
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He s witty.
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Like everything comes to you naturally.
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That s so funny.
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Do you do manifestation or something?
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Like, I feel like it flows through you or something.
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I pray a lot.
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I pray a lot.
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I ve always been very, like, I was brought up Catholic, but from a very young age, it was like pretty
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pretty a good experience like just through my life it s always been where I go to lean on and when you re when you know the backstory of my life and who I was nobody like an absolutely a zero person to be able to like all of a sudden write a song out of nowhere like it s a miracle.
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Tell us about your makeup life.
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How did this transpire?
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I mean, obviously, you ve always had a love for makeup.
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I have always had a love for makeup.
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I don t know why.
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Just always obsessed with it my whole life.
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I told you I was a makeup artist.
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But then after LAM and Harajuku, I had those two brands.
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And at that point, I was really at a crossroads.
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Want to do something creative.
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I have no idea.
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I didn t know like anything that was gonna happen next I just knew that if I didn t do something creative that like how would I be me anymore?
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Like I just felt really worried about that.
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So I really like thought about
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all the different kind of categories I ve been in.
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And for me, like, I really wanted to do something that I thought was my true passion.
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And for me, all of those things were great, but I did them.
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So I was like, I m gonna do makeup blind.
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Like, I feel like I am the, like, most authentic.
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Like, I ve gotten in so much trouble for my makeup through the years.
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Like, you know, what s under that mask?
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Like,
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What is she wearing?
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You know like all the things that I got like and and also just like I look at the influence of the makeup like even from like Now you can start to see it even though the makeup was pretty bad at certain points because I you know you grow you learn But I just want to do makeup line and at the end of the day that was what like six years ago So that was a long time maybe even now getting closer to seven years ago when I started the process and here we are and Here it is and it s like it s been really
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amazing, but also
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It s super hard, as you know, like hard, hard, hard.
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It s just so many amazing products out there, so many amazing lines that are out there.
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But I always felt like it s like with makeup, you could never have enough makeup, like there s never going to be enough.
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As soon as you fall in love with one thing, you re going to be like, oh, my God, now I m in love with this.
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Well, if I m buying a red lipstick, I m buying it from your line.
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I m buying a red lipstick from Gwen Stefani.
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There s no doubt.
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If someone has to start with one product with our audience, what would you tell them to gravitate towards?
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I would probably... I m never gonna put something out that I don t absolutely love because at the end of the day, selfishly, I m gonna be making it for myself.
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But like, I think our mascara is the one thing I would start with because it s kind of like a guaranteed, like, you re gonna for sure love it.
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And you know what I mean?
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You just know that you re gonna love it.
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Okay, so you would start with the mascara.
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I am gonna have you apply the red lipstick to me on TikTok, so you guys will have to go watch that.
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I don t know how to apply lipstick, so you ll have to— Really?
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No.
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No, I don t know how to- I mean, I can put it on, but I don t know the trick.
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The thing about makeup, I feel like, is putting makeup on yourself is one thing.
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To me, that s all day long, easy.
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I ve always done my own makeup for every single show I ve ever done.
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I did my last campaign myself.
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I did not do my makeup today.
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I paid extra for you guys.
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You do your own makeup for all your shows?
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So many things, like a lot of things.
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And I love doing my own makeup, but in the last probably like six years, I was really scared of makeup artists.
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I had like a really bad experience early on.
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Like just doing a bad job?
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Just like on, like go back and look at the first No Doubt record before Tragic Kingdom.
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No offense to whoever did my makeup.
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But like I was so naive I didn t know and they re like you re gonna have a makeup artist I was like okay like Meanwhile like I had been a makeup artist you know I m saying and I know how like I feel like my face is like
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somewhere between like drag and, you know what I mean?
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Like I need a lot, like I like to wear a lot of makeup.
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You know what I m saying?
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Well, no one knows your face better than you.
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Yeah, and so I like, I know exactly what makes it look the way it looks and this person had done my makeup very washy and a lot of makeup artists, especially during that time period, were very like model-y, like dewy and like just very less is more.
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And so I saw it and I was like,
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I don t think I look good, but maybe when the lights come on, or maybe when the camera goes on, like, it will look better.
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Like, I didn t know, because I d never done a photo shoot like that, you know?
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And so, nope, I look just like I looked, how I looked in the mirror, and I was like, ugh.
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So I just, I just at that point was like, I m always doing my own makeup, I don t care.
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And so I did, and then I would, I would use, like, people on, like, you know, if I did a magazine cover or whatever, and it was always so traumatic, like, I mean, traumatic for me.
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So then you re just like, I m just gonna take matters into my own hands.
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Yes.
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And so I would always do, but then I feel like in the last 15 years, like I did the collab with Urban Decay and did a palette and that s when things started really- I used that.
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I used that.
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It s so, that was really, and I think the challenge of doing that palette was what really made me want to do- That was a good palette.
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Yeah, and Wendy is like, was so fun to work with because she was, everything was like, I m so used to like,
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No, we can t do that.
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We can t do that. 
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She s like, yes.
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No, if I was like, but do you think people, I don t care what people think.
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You do what you want.
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Like she was so like that with me and I was like, this is so fun.
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Like, and I think that color is hard.
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Like it was challenging for me to like figure out what would be good for me and everybody.
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Like, and then me and Blake would like watch everybody online because that s when online started like getting crazy.
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And you could get on there and like see everyone take what I created and create their own creation outside of like it s different than like just buying a pair of pants like it was like wow I didn t never would have thought to wear it like that like and everybody was making their own creation out of the makeup and it was like so
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intriguing and exciting.
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And I think that like that world is so creative and it felt so, you know, I don t know if you guys think it s still like this, but it feels like everybody lifts each other up.
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Everybody s promoting each other.
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Everyone s taking what you did and copying it, but making it their own, you know, and it s it just felt really fresh and exciting.
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And the idea of that, you know, and yeah, I just think that that that part of the community is just really it s really it s really cool, you know.
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Well, I m excited to try the mascara.
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I m really excited to try the red lip.
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It looks amazing.
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I almost wore, I did actually wear a red lip today.
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I thought you were going to come in for a red lip.
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No, because they said they wanted me to wear, and it was my first red lip of the year because I wore it for New Year s.
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And then I was like, I don t know, with this hair, I felt like it was like a little much.
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I was like, guys, I m taking the red lip.
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Whatever you re wearing is what you re wearing right now.
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This is tomboy.
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This is a liquid lip.
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It might be this.
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I can t.
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Oh, that s flannel.
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But yeah, it s a liquid lip and then I just put on some gloss on top of it.
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But it s so fun doing the makeup.
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Like the dream when you re creating and like you get to work with the, you know, the factories and the people that are behind the scenes.
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It s just, I m sure it s the same when you create your guys  dreams come true and you get them in a box and you get to share them.
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It s like, it is the craziest feeling ever and
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I think with the makeup, it is super challenging, because you ll have a product, you ll have an idea, and it s so far out before it comes out, and then like two weeks before you launch, you re like, oh my god!
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Patrick Starr, you copped!
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No, you re not.
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It s so competitive, and you ll be like, oh, I can t believe they re putting that out right now, and it s so frustrating.
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You got beef with Patrick?
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No, I love him.
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Patrick s been on the show.
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You know, I got to be on his show, and he did my makeup.
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Oh, that s cool.
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Yeah, he s amazing.
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I love his concealer, too.
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He s got this amazing concealer.
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It s just a super challenge, but it s- That s gonna be the headline now.
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It s gonna say Gwen Stefani, Patrick Starr.
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Huge.
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That s gonna be the only thing they pull from the whole thing.
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Perfect.
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Yeah, right.
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I love you, Patrick.
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You know, we had so much fun, and he s- his show was like, God, like, how do you get that good at, like, social media?
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Like, what?
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Like, you guys are good, too.
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You guys are really good.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for letting me talk my ass off about myself all day long.
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Yeah, we re gonna spend the next hour now, I m gonna tell you about my life now.
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Okay, I m ready.
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I know, I love it.
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We need an autobiography.
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We need a book.
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You gotta write a book.
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You know what?
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You are very easy to talk to.
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You re awesome.
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This was fun.
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Very humble, down to earth, very inspiring.
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I m inspired by your story.
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It s so cool to hear the whole trajectory of it.
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Where can everyone find you?
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I m sure they already follow you, but your makeup line, where can they shop it?
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Tell us all the things.
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I don t know, Gwen Stefani online.
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I don t know.
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No, we re at Sephora.
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Been amazing partners.
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It s been, you know, it s interesting because through my career you have partners and people come and go, but it s, I feel like they get me and they ve always been like super like supportive and it s been really cool to work with them.
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So we re at Sephora, which is very fun.
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We re online, obviously at Give.com and GiveBeauty.com, guys.
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Love it.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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Oh my gosh.
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Thank you.
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You are a legend.
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Gwen so kindly gave you guys 30% off.
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You can go to givebeauty.com and shop site-wide, 30% off with code SKINNY.
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I personally would recommend getting that pigmented red lipstick.
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I ve been wearing it all the time.
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It s called Original Recipe.
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It s so good, and it s her favorite red.
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Go to givebeauty.com.
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That s G-X-V-E, beauty.com, and you get 30% off site-wide with code SKINNY.
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Remember that s promo code skinny for 30% off your entire order through April 30th, 2024.