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Hello?
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Hello.
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Hi, what s your name?
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Dan.
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Dan.
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Dan, where are you calling me from?
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This is a crazy number.
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Oh, I m calling from an undisclosed location in Asia.
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You re in Asia right now?
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Yes.
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Um, you sound, um, European.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I got a family from there.
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Oh, okay.
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Um, all right.
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So you are a European in an undisclosed part of Asia.
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Well,
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We got, all right, now that that s out of the way.
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What s up, Dan?
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How can I get you today?
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What do you wanna talk about?
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Well, there was a time I got declared a prophet while incarcerated.
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You got declared a prophet while incarcerated?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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The floor is yours, Dan.
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Well, how do I say this?
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It s, I don t know how much of a story I could tell about it, but basically I was, uh, I went homeless.
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I got detained because of, uh, because of like lack of papers and so on.
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I ended up almost got deported, but then they got sent to, but then while I was like in jail, some of that,
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I started talking about the occult and I would do divinations for the other inmates.
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You started a cult while in jail?
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No, I was talking about the occult.
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You talked about the occult.
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What s the occult?
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Like, I would talk about ghosts, religion, spirituality, mysticism, politics, philosophy.
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Were you doing that?
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Were you stirring up occult stuff just to fuck around, or because you were trying to do something?
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Because I was bored as heck.
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Alright, so you were just fucking around.
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Yeah, but... Well, not fucking around.
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I m genuinely interested in these topics, which is why I was talking about them while in jail.
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Well, can I ask you why you were in jail?
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Oh yeah, basically, like, I went homeless and I did not, and I did not get any, like, I, I basically got almost got deported and I got in a dispute with someone.
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You got in a dispute with someone?
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Yeah.
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Do you, you don t have to tell me if you don t want to, it s your, it s your business, it s your life, but.
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Yeah, I m not going to say that, but, but, but, but there s because of that and because of the lack of papers.
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Oh, okay.
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How long were you incarcerated for?
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Two weeks.
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Asia.
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Alright, so you re incarcerated in an undisclosed place in Asia.
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Not North Korea, because that would have been longer than two weeks.
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So we narrowed it down a little bit.
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Yeah, not North Korea.
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And you start, you re in jail, and you re like, you know what would be fun right now is to start riling up the inmates by talking about aliens and shit.
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So you re giving speeches, you re standing on a soapbox, you re talking about the occult, and then what happens?
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Well, long story short, this rich kid and this, well, to give you an idea of their inmates, there was this gangster, there was this rich kid, there was this army dude on drug charges, there was this, uh, what else?
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I can t remember all of them.
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There was this thief and there was, I can t remember all of them, but basically two of them declared me a prophet.
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after I did some divination for them where I rolled dice to foretell the futures and What else so it s been a while So you rolled the dice and you predicted what the dice would land on Yeah, basically one of the one of the inmates got out quickly so that kind of added fuel to the fire of my reputation to speak and
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And... And then I... I m having trouble remembering what else happened.
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Do you believe that you are a prophet?
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Honestly... No, I m a magician, I guess.
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You re a magician.
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Okay.
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That s honestly better than being a prophet.
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I feel like magicians make more money than prophets.
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It s not about the money for me, it s just about the adventures.
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I know it s not about the money.
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I know nobody gets into magic for the money.
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I m just saying there s more magicians doing residencies in Las Vegas than there are prophets.
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Yeah, I get what you mean.
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um well okay so this was a long how long how long ago was this oh this was uh doing like this was four three two years back and are you still homeless oh no i ve been homeless two or three times since then but i m currently not homeless okay good good man what do you um how s life
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Life s been pretty good.
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I m just figuring out what to do, like, where to take direction in my life.
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I have my goals.
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It s just a matter of finding out how to get there.
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Tell me what the goals are.
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Well, basically I want to spread my values.
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I want to help those who help me.
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I want to hurt those who hurt me.
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And I want to
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Find a place of my own, you know?
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Find a place where they call home, you know?
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Okay.
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Some of those sounded a little proffity, which is good.
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I mean, I guess it s good.
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Is undisclosed location in Asia not your home?
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It is my home, but doesn t feel like my home, if that makes sense.
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That does make sense.
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That does make sense.
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What do you do for work now?
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Right now, I just do odd jobs.
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Do you have friends and family in this undisclosed place in Asia?
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Yep.
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Okay.
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And are they people you met when you moved there, or are they folks who also came from whatever European country you came from?
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A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B.
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Cool.
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Cool, cool, cool.
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So all right, you want to help those who helped you hurt those who hurt you and spread your message.
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Pretty much.
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Okay.
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What what ideas have you came up with for how you you want to do this?
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What what vehicles will these desires?
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You know, take?
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Well, I tried talking to people one on one on the street.
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and I managed to convert five people that way.
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And a couple times I tried to organize a haunted house tour and tried to organize a UFO sighting group.
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That hasn t worked out and the last time I tried a chest in the wilderness.
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Like we organized a camping trip in the wilderness and I tried to do a ritual and that didn t end up well.
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Have you tried doing like Airbnb experience or Groupon or something where it s like, you know, get converted to an occult?
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I feel like that s an experience people would sign up for on those websites.
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Good point.
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I have to find the equivalent of one in my area.
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Thank you for the idea.
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You said you were convert... What are you converting people to?
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To my values.
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What are your values?
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my values are basically freedom and well that s basically it just freedom I want I want people to be to have the strength and then to go after what they truly want in life okay like I like so many people like
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we don t really ask ourselves what do we truly want in life.
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be good or bad, neutral, crazy, mundane, whatever it is, you can do it.
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All of you.
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Including you.
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As you already know.
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What?
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I like that message.
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I m curious what it has to do with haunted houses.
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Oh, basically, it s like, it s basically that I basically convert them to a spiritual freedom sort of way.
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But to show them the spiritual freedom, I have to cause paranormal phenomena as best as I can.
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Okay, it doesn t make sense, but I want to understand.
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You need to show people a haunted house to get them to believe in freedom.
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Why?
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so that to show them how reality is much more valuable than we think and to get them to accept the message, accept the value and to spread that value their own and to go after what they want, whatever it is.
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I m gonna throw this out there, and I don t want to you re doing your own thing Here you re spreading your own message.
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I don t want to you know infect your message with my message You know I don t want to you know step on your toes But can I can I?
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Can I offer a thought it s okay if you think it s a dick thought, but I just want to offer a thought Okay all right I Can people not
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uh, believe in freedom, uh, within, like, just regular-ass reality?
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Like, why do you- I guess I still don t understand why people need to see paranormal shit to believe that they can do stuff with their lives.
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They can believe freedom in regular-ass reality.
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The reason- the reason I m- the reason I m doing that is because I have made freedom
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Why not keep my religion?
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Okay, so freedom is your religion.
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And so... Alright, so you re doing the prophet thing.
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Just by showing people you re the prophet.
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You re the haunted house prophet.
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I guess.
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Call me prophet, magician, whatever.
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I m just doing whatever I guess.
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How many people are following you?
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Only five in real life up until now.
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That s pretty good.
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That s pretty good.
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You have five, like you would say, with all sincerity, that you have five disciples.
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Yes.
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I know it s low numbers, but it s actually pretty heartwarming that they did that.
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If you know the area I was in, which I m not going to disclose,
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You can get in serious trouble for- No, no, no, I don t- Wait, you can get in- Hold on, you can get in trouble for having disciples?
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For having alternative spirituality, alternative religions.
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Are you in China?
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Something like that, I guess you could say.
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Okay.
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Uh...
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So these people, these disciples that you have, how are they disciples?
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Do they give you money?
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Do they wear a t-shirt with your face on it?
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How do they disciple you?
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How do you tell that they are your disciples?
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What do they have to do?
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Do they have to give you their blood?
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What s the benchmark for converted?
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The best way would be to accept the texts I give them.
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To practice astral projection.
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To... To basically... Like, as is, to cause chaos in our daily lives.
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Stuff like that.
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Do they have to have sex with you?
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No.
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Alright, I was just checking.
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Um...
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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So do you like meet up with these five disciples ever?
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Like, do you have like regular meetings?
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Yeah, we do.
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We do.
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It s not that regular since something happened, but, but we do have meetings.
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We do have to talk to each other.
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That sounds nice.
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Actually.
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I like that.
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That s like, that s real community right there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I know.
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Right.
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Cause that s the thing, like with freedom, like sometimes, you know, like sometimes you can get pretty lonely.
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But if you have a group of people talking to each other, and, like, encouraging each other to be free, to go after what they truly want, it can help you, right?
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Brother, hey, fucking men, dude.
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Freedom s a double-edged sword, because you re right, it is, uh... It is kind of lonely.
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But it s good to have... You know, it s good to be free with others.
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You know?
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Exactly, exactly.
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And to answer your question of if there s any men, like, there s two women and two men.
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And a third, if you include me.
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I didn t ask that.
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Oh, I m sorry, I misheard you.
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You re not looking at the chat, are you?
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I am looking at the chat.
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Okay, can you not look at the chat while we talk?
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Oh, I m sorry.
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It s okay.
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That s one of the rules of my religion.
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It s on the Ten Gekmanments.
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So... No, no, it s fine.
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It s just fine.
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Oh, there s two files on piratebay.org that we uploaded.
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There s two files on piratebay.org that we uploaded.
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Okay, so this motherfucker s not on Facebook or Instagram.
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You re on the Pirate Bay.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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And so, on Pirate Bay, there are two files that we can... Do you want to tell us how to get... I mean, I don t want to get you in trouble or, you know, have people crawling up your ass, but, I mean, do you want... How do we get them?
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Okay, so the name of the file, the first file is Liber Anarchos.
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The second file is Chronicles of Anarchy.
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You can find them on Pirate Bay or Scribdirt or any torrent library site.
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Say this again?
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Primarily Pirate Bay.
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It s PDF files, text.
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Okay, what s the first one called?
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What s the first one called?
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Lebonakos.
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Lebonakos.
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How do you spell that?
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L-I-B-E-R A-N-A-R-K-H-O-S Okay, what s the other one?
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The second one is the Chronicles of Anarchy.
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Okay, just disclaimer, Therapy Gecko LLC and partners are not responsible for any computer viruses infecting the computers of anyone who decided to download these files.
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But if you re listening to this and you decide you download these files, let me know what they say.
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Because I m curious.
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And while you re there, I mean, you can, you can also, dude, you can torrent any fucking movie too.
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That s kind of cool.
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You can have, um, you know, an anarchist manifesto on one page and, uh, Breaking Bad on the other window and have a good night, you know?
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Damn good night.
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Trust me.
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You ll love the file.
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Okay, I m definitely, the way, hold on, the way you did an evil laugh after saying you ll love the files makes me think that whoever downloads these is gonna get a computer virus.
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That was a computer virusy evil laugh you just did.
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I would be careful, but the files themselves are not viruses.
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I would be careful when you re on the site.
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What do you mean, how so?
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In my recommendation.
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What are you careful, oh, careful like on Pirate Bay or careful reading the documents?
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Like are they gonna?
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On Pirate Bay, on Pirate Bay.
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Okay.
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Someone I hope someone will do this somebody will go in search of the files and Like send me a message and be like this is what it is somebody do that if you re listening to this And you just have no life and nothing else to do Go download this guy s files On a computer that has no sensitive information on it and Let me know what they say
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The best part is I wasn t even the one who wrote the files.
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Who wrote the files?
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I have no idea.
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I have no idea, I just made them my religion after I read them.
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Okay, um... So wait, so you re a... Oh, so you re not even a prophet, you re a disciple, and you have like... It s a whole pyramid scheme, you have disciples underneath you.
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But you yourself are a disciple.
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Yes.
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If you want to find out who wrote them, you re gonna have to look it up, look it up.
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Well, I hope this works out for you, man.
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I really do.
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Thank you.
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And man, don t worry about it.
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Whether or not it works out is not the point.
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The point is if I tried.
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And dude, kudos to you as well, you know?
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Because you obviously had to put a lot on the line to get to this point.
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And I salute you for your courage and wearing the gecko suit.
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And for doing all this for everyone.
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Thank you.
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Thanks, man.
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That is very sweet of you to say.
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I appreciate it.
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You re welcome.
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You know what?
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You re a charming guy, and I understand why people join your cult.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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But I hope I also help them to be free, in general, in their lives.
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I hope that.
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So that s the main thing I m after, you know?
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Dan, is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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Yes.
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During my time in prison, I accidentally caused two or three riots and they tried to kill me because they thought I was an evil spirit.
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That s all I want to say.
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Peace out.
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Later, Dan.
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Shout out to whatever brave soul risks the computer virus to download those files.
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I m curious what s on them.
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Wouldn t it be funny if it was just like Harry Potter or some shit?
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Now I gotta know.
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I might just download him.
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I m not gonna download him.
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There s no way.
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I m gonna download him.
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Well, that was fun.
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That was interesting.
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I don t know what... I m also... I am curious what undisclosed location he lives in.
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It sounds... It could have been China, I guess?
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I don t know.
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Maybe... I don t know.
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I would be very curious if somebody eventually reaches out to me and is like, hey man, I listened to that episode of your podcast where you talked to the guy who was trying to convert people.
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I downloaded the books off of the Pirate Bay.
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Everything made perfect sense to me, and now I also live in an undisclosed Asian location.
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I m hanging out with this guy, and we re gonna go kill a bunch of people.
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No, we re having a good time.
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And yeah, that d be cool.
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Maybe this changes someone s life, I guess.
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I don t know.
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Anyway, thanks for calling Dan.
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Hey folks, this is Lyle.
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Gek bless.
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Hello.
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What s your name, sir?
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Mark.
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Mark.
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What s up, Mark?
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Not much.
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You know, in my text, I basically kind of stated I kind of want to know if the way I m living is OK and appropriate, or should I more or less come clean and kind of stop?
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What is the way you re living?
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Tell me what that means.
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Sure.
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So, you know, honestly, in my mind, I got a great, you know, I m a stay at home dad, take care of my kids, stay at home.
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You know, I don t try to abuse it too much, considering, you know, like I love playing video games, you know, staying up late at night.
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In fact, most of them, I would say I live a dual life.
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You know, it s like in the daytime, like I m taking care of my kids poorly.
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Uh, you know, I m, uh, you know, more or less lying to my wife every minute, you know, to avoid having a conversation about my habits.
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And, uh, you know, for instance, you know, she has, she knows I smoke marijuana, but I haven t been sober a day in over eight years since I ve known her.
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I don t think she knows that, you know what I mean?
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There s a lot of compounding things that kind of have weighed on me over the past six years of our marriage that, you know, it s like, as I m deteriorating from, you know, doing drugs and cigarettes, two packs a day, you know, like all the money that it costs with inflation.
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It s like, how do I, you know, it s like, should I be changing?
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But in my mind, I m selfish because I know I m living the dream.
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A lot of, you know, just based off of like,
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the abilities, like right now I m painting in my smoke room in my house that I own, you know?
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I don t own, she owns it, but it s not my name.
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I got married.
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Why do you say you re taking care of your kids poorly?
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Well, because I know that I could put in more effort, but I find myself, you know, putting the TV on, you know, like we could go outside more often.
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I m just kick ass backyard, but
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Eh, I don t want to be outside right now.
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You know, that kind of stuff.
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What s your name or whatever name you want to go by?
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Mark.
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Mark.
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Mark.
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Mark.
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Before, you know, Mark, I m, um, I m down to talk with you about all this stuff, but I do, uh, feel as though I need to ask you if you ve ever talked to a real therapist about this and if you have what they ve told you.
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Hmm.
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Not, not necessarily.
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No.
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You know, I had a,
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an issue like, uh, come up like a medical issue.
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And, uh, I tried to do like, it was like over, uh, what d you coronavirus?
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It s like 2020 peak 2020.
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And I wanted to talk to somebody because, and it s going to sound tough, like suicidal ideation, like the pain was a lot, you know?
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And like, I thought like given, cause I had insurance finally after, you know,
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20 years of working, I had finally decent insurance through marriage.
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But, uh, so I thought, I don t mind, we ll give it a try rather than spiral.
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But it didn t really, you know, after the pain went away, I just said, screw it.
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And I kind of stopped talking to her.
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Yeah.
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That, that kind of happens.
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Like you ll, uh, be in a really good spot and so you ll be talking to your therapist and then things will get a little bit better and you ll be like, well, I don t ever need to do this ever again.
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Hmm.
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So do you still feel that pain ever or are you in a better spot?
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I m in a better spot.
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Okay, good.
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Well, that s good to hear.
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That s encouraging.
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Yeah.
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You know, honestly, like my life s been up, especially, you know, like single mother life, you know, like, you know,
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I had to work since I was 16, that kind of stuff.
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But the way that you re 20, that s tough.
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And look, by the way, I m just going to say, again, I m happy to talk to you about this, but the way that, and you should talk to a real therapist to get their perspective on it, because the way that you re talking about all this stuff, you seem very distressed.
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Hmm.
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How so?
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Do you not, I mean, do you, I mean, I m just telling you my observation.
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Do you, do you not agree that you seem kind of stressed?
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I m torn because inside I know how I feel, but I understand what s going on.
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Does that make sense?
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Like tell what s inside.
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Like, I don t really care.
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Like I m living a dream, you know, it s like, what s your understanding of when you, when you said, when you said, when you said I understand what s going on, what s, what s your understanding of what s going on?
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Well, for example, I smoke two packs a day.
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I know I shouldn t, but I love it.
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You know what I mean?
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And, you know, there are varying degrees of that.
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So it s like I was saying earlier with my kids, like I know I could be a better parent.
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I had a shitty childhood to a degree, you know, like we all have more or less, but, uh, I don t know.
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I feel like, you know, as I watch my life pass by, watch my kids grow up,
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You know, it s like I reflect on all those things.
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where I could have done something or been a little bit better or maybe not yelled so much or whatever.
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And like you said, maybe I should talk to somebody.
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I was hoping I could work it out through here because, so hold on, hold on me.
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So deep down inside, I don t really care.
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You know, like I said, I m living the dream.
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You know, if I lose seven years from smoking, so what?
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You know, I don t have an internal battle going on.
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So, so again, I mean, like I said, um, I m down to talk to you.
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I am.
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I feel as though I, uh, should be responsible and tell you I am a dumb ass fucking guy in a gecko costume.
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I am not, uh,
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Yeah, you re aware and an expert on the brain.
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I just giving you my disclaimer just giving you my disclaimer and I always recommend Talking to a professional now that I ve given you my disclaimer Let s just talk as two guys on the phone here so this is this is like a thing and I kind of get this of like
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Um, yeah, I know the various ways- I like know, logically, the various ways that my life could be better.
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You know, I could stop smoking pot, I could be a better dad in this way, I could be a better husband in this way, I could be a better person in this way.
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Of course I know I could do this, I could do this, I could do this.
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Of course I have the knowledge that I could, of course.
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That s the easy part.
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But yet, you re in your head, and you re like,
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Well, what s the point?
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Why?
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I don t really get this shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And finding that motivation of why giving a shit about taking care of yourself and giving a shit about these things is a science that I
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I mean, people study it.
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That s why I do think you should go to see a person.
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But, I mean, anecdotally, me personally, it s a science that I ve attempted to figure out as well, because it s hard, man, when you ve lost your, like, not will to live, but like your will to improve or whatever.
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You re like deep in a fog, you know?
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And let me just throw some shit out there.
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Anecdotally, I ve found that, um,
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So like, when I m in a fog, and I m thinking to myself, like, why eat healthier?
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Why go to the gym?
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Why stop smoking pot?
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Why work on my career?
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Why try to nurture my relationship?
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Like, why do anything?
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Who gives a shit?
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I found that if I say to myself, let me just take a step forward,
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let me do something, you kind of do it and you get a little hit of dopamine from that.
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And then you kind of can turn that into some momentum.
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Right?
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So like if you go a day without smoking cigarettes and you re like, Oh, that actually, I actually feel a sense of accomplishment from doing that.
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And then you kind of build momentum off of that.
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Or if you say to yourself, I m gonna, you know, turn off the TV.
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I m gonna no phones, no computer, no nothing.
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I m going to spend the rest of the day or night looking my children in the eyes.
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You re like, Oh, that actually felt good.
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I, I know, but he s like, and this is a thing I fucking, I swear to God, I ve learned this over and over and over again.
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And you forget it every time.
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But when you are, when you re in the fog, you have no,
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grasp or understanding of how it feels to be out of the fog.
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You really don t, even if you ve been out of the fog before.
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The only way to actually remember what it feels like to be out of the fog is to leave the fog.
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But yet, it s this weird contradiction, because when you re in the fog, you have no desire to leave the fog.
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Because you re like, what s the point?
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But then when you leave it for like a sec, when you do one little thing to step out of your fog, and you know, you go a day without the cigarettes, you take some time to be with your kids, you go for a walk, you put your phone away, you do the whatever the thing you were like, well, what s the point of doing this fucking thing?
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Then once you do it, you understand the point.
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You re not gonna understand the point before you do it.
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That s why you re sitting there like what s the point?
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Once you do it you remember the point so you kind of have to like Start building your momentum without the motivation and then it s like that thing of like mo action Like motivation does not precede action action precedes motivation.
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You know I m talking about
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Does any of this make sense?
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I understand.
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Okay.
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It really does.
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You know, like, by the way, I m talking to you.
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I m no, I m no, uh, six pack millionaire with a helicopter.
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All right.
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I m, I m doing my fair share of eating pizza for breakfast and whatnot too.
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So this is just how I think about it.
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Right.
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No, it totally makes sense.
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And like you were saying about the fog, it s, you know, I find myself in the fog and
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When I reach out, there s no problems, except for the realization that I ve created a whole system around me so that I don t get caught, so I don t get in a conversation that leads me to get out of the fog.
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Besides maybe this conversation and me talking to myself as I m standing in a
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room so we I mean we just we were just talking about like you know self-improvement motivational bullshit that s one thing now you re talking about like like how open do you want to be with your wife that s another thing hmm do you think um you think it s bad that I m not telling her that s really is it I mean I mean it s part of me feels it but
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Well, it s clearly bad just in the sense that we can both see that it s bothering you.
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Right.
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You know, but maybe that s, in my mind, just the consequence of doing something that she wouldn t like if she found out.
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How do you think she would react if she found out that you haven t been sober a day in eight years?
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Probably take away access to my money, which is her money.
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You know, like, I m truly stay at home.
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Like, I m dependent.
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Yeah, I guess I could go find a job, but... You know, so it s like I, like, so there s a little bit more on top of it because, like, there are consequences that trickle down that make me even more fearful to step out of the fog.
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But do you feel, but do you feel, like, in the... Alright, so you guys have a situation, you guys have, like, a traditional situation where, like, she goes and makes all the money and then you take care of the kids?
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Right.
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But do you have no sense of, like, pride or motivation?
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Like, do you have a little thing under your ass that goes like, okay, you know, I ve formed this- How long have you been with your wife?
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Seven years.
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Seven years.
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Seven and a half.
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It s like, and here s the thing, especially especially about having kids, because you kind of and I don t have kids.
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I m I am single and I have no kids.
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But here s my rant is like,
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wait when if you re if you know kids and you know you kind of you can go do whatever you want with your life like fucking go crazy smoke weed for a billion years do whatever live that life but do you have just you entered this partnership to start a family and your wife is holding up her part of the deal
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And do you have any like fire under your ass of being just of like I gotta hold up my end of this deal oh And I m not and I m not saying that you know I m not saying that to you I m not saying that to you for you I don t I don t want you to sit here and like beat yourself up and go into a spiral Okay, it s supposed to be motivating.
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You know like I
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Let me fucking hold up my end of the deal.
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My wife s out doing whatever she does.
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She s working hard.
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She s holding up her end of the deal.
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I don t have a fire.
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Let me hold up my end of the deal.
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Yeah, I don t, honestly.
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It kind of goes back to me saying earlier, there s the real me and then the mask.
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I know when I m wearing the mask, I should
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you know, care about these things.
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as real.
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You re not living a double life.
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You are living your life.
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There s no double life.
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There is you are everything.
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You are all the bad things of your life, and you are all the good things, and they don t negate each other.
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Some of them interact.
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Some of them don t.
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It s just your messy life, but there s no two lives.
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This is just you as a human being in all your good and all your bad.
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So I guess when it comes to like, am I able to hold up my share?
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No, I m, you know, I m leachy, unfortunately.
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You know, like I m not saying I don t give in, like, you know, one of my core tenants is the family, you know, like this is here.
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What do you think about this statement?
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I tell this to a lot of people.
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I m done.
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I won, you know, in terms of my mindset, I ve already bred, you know, it s like, maybe I can get these kids to breeding age and hopefully get that, but like, I m fine.
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If I die right now, you know, that s my dude, but you re not done.
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I know that, you know, but it s hard because there s a part of me that feels that, you know, I got to get rid of that part of me, I guess.
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You re right.
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Why don t you just I?
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serious, I What s your name again?
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Mark Mark I first of all I seriously think you should go talk to a Therapist who would have better right because I m a guy in a gecko costume You should go talk to real therapist, but I seriously think right dude like the fact that you re like I m done.
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I mean you
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I mean, I don t want to be like done, like now, like, you know, but like, if an asteroid hits me, I m okay with that.
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As long as my kids survive, you know, like, yeah, see, like, I can t tell my wife that, you know, I can t, I can t, I can t have that conversation with her, you know, like, you know, if I get old and my kids can truly understand me, like when they re, you know, beyond like the four or five, six age, and they re more like eight, nine, 10, 11, like,
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You re right, I guess I do need to find a life coach or something.
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But I ve been living like this for well over a decade.
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In my mind, living a life.
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But you called me, you re talking about this, you re bothered by it, you give a shit.
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You can pretend like you don t, but you talk, you re, you give a shit.
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We wouldn t be talking right now.
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That s very fair.
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So like, dude, I just, and again, the reason I don t, I don t like, I don t, I try not to yell at people or whatever, because I don t, there s no, it s not productive.
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There s no reason for you to go into a self-hatred spiral that s not productive for you or your family or anyone, but it s like, look man, when you wake up tomorrow and you talk to your kids, like, put your phone away,
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Just try, just give yourself a day, just give yourself a day where you re like, I m going, today, I am going to hold up my end of the deal.
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And like, you know, if you really do feel like I ve made it, try your best to be grateful for whatever s making you feel that way.
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If it s your wife, who s, you know, going out and working and doing these things,
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out of gratitude for your wife you say to yourself i m today i m going to hold up my end of the deal and try to be a good dad even if you even if you fail even if whatever whatever is going on in your in your addiction brain just you can t you just can t do it just if you just try you might even feel good just trying you know
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That s really all I got for you, I think.
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I don t know if any of this was helpful.
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I understand.
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Seriously, I hope you wake up tomorrow morning and you re like, OK, let me just try to hold up my end of the deal today.
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Fair enough.
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Thanks for talking.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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Take care of the A.I.
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that we re all going to erase very soon.
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Have a great day.
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Later on, dog.
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Sooner or later, our children won t need parents because we can just... Dude, you ll literally... This is actually kind of crazy.
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You ll probably be able to just, like, buy a nanny bot, like, from the fucking Jetsons.
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And the nanny bot will just raise your kid for you.
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And the cra- dude, the crazy thing... Let me talk about AI for a second just because he brought it up.
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Here s the thing, AI... It is like, uh... It is sometimes- in some situations, it s smarter than people.
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Like, um... AI, I ve- AI is a better therapist than several therapists.
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um that i ve been to in the past uh it s like objective it s level like i i ll talk to jet i ll talk to chat gpt sometimes and i ve talked to chat gpt enough that i m like you know what if i did die or had to you know go away for a while i d let chat gpt take care of my kids like it s kind of more dependent it s like self-driving cars
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Like, I trust self-driving cars more than, like, a stoned 16-year-old on the road.
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Right?
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I think I actually would trust an AI nanny.
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Anyway, um... What were we just talking about?
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Oh yeah, that guy.
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I hope that... That is... I... Bro, I don t know.
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I don t know.
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I don t know how that guy s gonna, um...
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Can I fix all that?
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Is it crazy?
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I don t know if it s brain chemistry or what the hell it is, but I hope he tries, man.
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Because that thing about the fog is real.
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I ve experienced it.
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I feel out of the fog right now because I m caffeinated and I m dressed and I m talking to people, but dear lord, I ve hung out in the fog and when you re in it, it doesn t feel like anything else exists.
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as a person who in this very moment, and it changes moment to moment.
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You can be in the fog one hour and not in the next, but in this very moment, as I feel out of the fog, I will be conscious of what it feels like and try to take it with me next time I feel in the fog.
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Anyway, yeah, I would let Chachibiti raise my son.
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Hello?
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What s up?
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This is Gecko.
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How is your life going, Izzy?
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And here we are on the, uh, on the 101th.
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Just goes to show that persistence, um, is, uh, yeah.
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Um, what s up, Izzy?
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How s it going?
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I don t know.
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I ve always thought about this moment.
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I was like, what will I say if he ever answers it?
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Now I don t know what to say.
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So I m going to give some context of where I m at right now.
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It is, I m recording this at two o clock in the morning.
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Um, because I m, so I m going to, uh, Thailand in about, uh, like eight hours or something.
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And it s like 12 hours.
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Uh, like the time difference is like reversed.
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So I m trying to pull an all nighter and I was like, well, what s going to, how do I do that?
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Oh, I know what I ll do.
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I ll stream.
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But here s another thing is when I record these podcasts You know typically I aim to have my brain Functioning at you know as close to it my brain never really functions at a hundred percent But you know the closer I can get to a hundred percent the better I would say But right now it s two o clock in the morning.
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I m gonna say I m at a good oh My god, I m gonna say I m at a I m at a
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So I m gonna say I m at a 60%.
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I actually feel pretty good right now.
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I drank a Celsius.
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Shout out Celsius.
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I drank a Celsius right before I started doing this.
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So if you ever wanted to know what it s like to drink 200 milligrams of caffeine at one o clock in the morning, I ll let you guys know.
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I mean, you ll know by just listening to my voice, I guess.
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That s where I m at, you know.
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Where are you at, Izzy?
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I m in Minnesota.
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Oh, okay.
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It s about one.
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He s gonna go to bed.
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And then I was like, he s live.
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This is my chance.
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I m not on the speakerphone, am I?
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No.
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Okay.
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What was I gonna say?
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Oh, yeah.
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What are you doing up so late, Izzy?
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Well, like you, I drank Celsius pretty late in the day because I was working.
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And now I just can t sleep.
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How late in the day did you drink it?
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I would say about five o clock.
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Five o clock.
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Yeah.
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They get you.
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What made you want to drink a Celsius at five o clock?
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Well, I work in HR and today was a very long day of policies.
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You know, that s super fun stuff.
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And, uh, it just drains you.
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What s the worst HR situation you ve encountered in your years of working HR?
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So, okay, funny story.
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I work with my mother in H, in the same company.
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And so I m her, like I m on the HR team of the same company that she works in.
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And she complained to me about a situation that was happening on her team.
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And then I had to go to my boss and be like, so my mom told me, cause I also was at home with her.
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So I was like, my mom told me that s at home.
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I hate to snitch, but like they re breaking policy.
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So that had to be a whole case open.
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Luckily I didn t have to investigate it myself, but that was pretty crazy.
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Um, that s so did your mom get you the job or did you get your mom the job or was it just kind of a kismet that you both winded up at the same place?
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So she works in like a different part of the organization than me and she made the introduction and I had to go through like the whole interview process.
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I think there was definitely a little bit of nepotism, but I like to tell myself, you know, that she was really blown away by me.
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Nep it up.
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That s what I say.
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Why not?
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Why not?
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If look, if your dad s the president, then I think you should get to be the president too.
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There was a guy who did that.
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There was a guy like George, what s his George W. Bush.
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He is a George W. George H.W.
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Who s the son?
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I don t know the president.
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He nepped harder than anyone s ever nepped before because he had a genius thought.
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I have no idea what I m talking about, by the way.
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It s two o clock in the morning.
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He was like, yo, my dad was the president.
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Why don t I just fucking go be the president?
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And, you know, some people think, you know, that s a bad idea.
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That s like from when there were kings and stuff and the king
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would have a son, and the son was automatically the next king, whether or not he was gonna be a shitty king.
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But he was like, yo, they did that once.
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Why don t we just do it again?
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I ll just be the president, because my dad was the president.
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Again, I have absolutely no idea what I m talking about, but, you know, I say NEP.
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If you can NEP, NEP.
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If your dad, you know, writes, if your dad is George Lucas, fucking go star in the next Star Wars.
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Why not?
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Just do it, you know?
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Um, I mean... Uh, you know, my- my dad, um... Well, my dad s a bankruptcy lawyer, and my mom is, uh... Is- is also a lawyer.
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And so, um... You know, they got me this job, being a fake therapist gecko.
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Um... No, they didn t.
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They... Uh...
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I mean, I got- I nepped a little bit.
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I nepped a little bit.
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I had a job working for my dad s law firm YouTube channel, where I would edit videos for him.
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So my dad, I guess he got me my first editing job at his law firm.
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So, I nepped.
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Go ahead and nep.
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Why not?
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Yeah, nepping s for real.
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Um... So what, uh... What do you want to do with your life, dude?
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I don t know, man.
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I just turned 21 and graduated college.
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And I just like am in that phase where there s some people having babies, some people getting married.
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And I just got to drink legally.
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So I m trying to figure it out.
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Who the hell s your 21, you said?
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Yeah.
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Who the hell s having babies at 21?
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That sounds awful.
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So many people.
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There s so many people.
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The people that you think shouldn t have babies are always the ones popping them out.
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Crazy.
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Yeah, I don t know.
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I mean, having a kid at 21 is probably not a good idea, but what the fuck do I know about how other people should live their lives?
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I really mean that.
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I really do.
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Are you saying that you want to have a child?
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Oh, God, no.
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Not right now.
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God, no.
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What do you hope for the future?
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I hope to own a couple goats
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and some cows.
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Are you serious?
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Yeah, I think that s what I d be happy doing for the rest of my life.
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How much is a goat?
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I have no clue.
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Well, that s the thing is you I mean, okay, so you want one goat and like let s I mean I want if I could just do something with you right now that you know I feel like I want I want you to get something out of this phone call Why don t we you know, this is how we make we part of I think you got to make your goals Defined an actual right?
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So I mean, let s get into it.
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How about you want?
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How many what do you want?
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You want one goat two goats?
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How many goats?
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I would say two goats, because I think they get lonely, so you have to have two.
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Alright, two goats, and how many cows?
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I would say one, because they re kind of big.
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I don t know if I can really do two of them.
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Do cows not get lonely?
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They might, but they ll have me.
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Alright, so two goats, one cow, and then where are you going to put these motherfuckers?
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Do you have a house?
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Well, I live in the Midwest, and there s a lot of land over here, so I just figured I d pick something up and build a shed.
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All right, I m going on Google right now.
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How much is a goat?
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All right.
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All right.
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The price of a goat can vary from $75.
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Bro, you can get bro, you can get a goat for $400.
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I can buy so many goats.
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All right, so 800.
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All right.
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I m okay.
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Hold on.
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Izzy.
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I m I know you re joking around, but I m being dead serious about this right now.
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I really am.
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Because you re telling me this is your life dream, and I m sitting here, I m on the computer Googling how much goats are, and I want this to be a thing where you realize that you actually can achieve your dream by only saving, you know... Alright.
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Are you with me on this?
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I am with you on it.
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Okay, alright, alright.
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Alright, so... Alright, so you need 800 bucks to get two goats.
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Alright, how much is a cow?
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Cow s a little more expensive.
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Cow is $900.
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So, you need to save $1,700 to achieve your life s goal.
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That s crazy.
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I can do that.
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You could do that.
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See, this is the thing.
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Everyone thinks that their goals are out of reach, but no one takes the time to, you know, Google them.
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So... I just need to Google more.
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Well, Izzy, you said your name was?
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Yeah.
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Oh, wait.
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Can you give me a name?
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I know you give everyone names because you forget them, and then you remembered mine, and I was kind of let down by that.
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So I would like you to give me a name if possible.
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I m not going to give you a name.
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I remembered your name.
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Dang.
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For one time.
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I feel like, well, is there anything you wanted to actually talk about?
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No, I just, I never thought you d actually answer.
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So I never like prepared anything to talk about.
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So this is just like my goal.
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This is a goal.
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It s been completed now.
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So thank you.
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Well, all right.
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Um, 1,700 bucks between you and your goal.
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All you gotta, you can, you can save that with your, you know, uh, HR nippy money.
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You can get there.
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Definitely.
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All right.
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Send me send me a picture of the goat.
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Or don t.
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I don t have enough.
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I don t have I don t have a lot of space on my phone anymore.
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I ve been saving too many.
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I ve been I ve been downloading a lot of games so I don t have a space on my phone so actually don t send me a picture of the goat.
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Izzy is there anything else you want to say to the people the computer before we go.
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Go buy more goats.
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Take care dog.
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Hello folks, it s Lyle here.
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That s the end of this episode, but get this I m releasing a bonus episode this week.
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That s right an entire extra hour of
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Well, what the hell s up, man?
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What s going on?
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Well, did you get my text?
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Nah, fuck the text.
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Let s just, we re talking right now.
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We don t need to text.
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All right, man.
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Well, I work with people who are blind and you know, it s all good.
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Wait, okay.
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I know I just said fuck the text, but in the text you said that you were blind.
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I am.
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Oh, okay.
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You see, I thought you just worked with people who are, I thought you were saying that you merely worked with people who were blind.
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I do.
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You are literally the blind leading the blind.
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Yes.
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That s funny.
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In a weird kind of fucked up type of way.
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If you want to hear this full conversation, you can sign up to become a premium member at therapygecko.supercast.com or find the link in the episode description.
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That s therapygecko.supercast.com.
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All right, I have nothing else to say.
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But he s not really an expert.