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Hello?
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Hey, how s it going?
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What s up, Nathan?
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Not much.
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How you doing, man?
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I m hanging in there.
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What s going on with you?
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Uh, not much.
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Hey, there was something I wanted to call and talk to you about.
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Yeah, please.
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So, um, I have this weird addiction and it only happens with my friends for a while, but then it happens in real life where I say man a lot.
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Like I ll say, Hey man,
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Or thanks, man.
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And I can t really get rid of it.
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Like, like you do like a Jamaican man.
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I must be mine.
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I just see I did it again.
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What do you think is causing you to do this?
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Probably just like repetition.
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I don t know.
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I ve done it so much that it s like, literally ingrained in my mind now.
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How long have you been saying Mon for?
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Probably like two or three years at this point.
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Has anyone ever told you to stop?
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Surprisingly, no.
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Do you think there s anything wrong with it?
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I think where it really started to take its toll is we went
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So we went to the 7-Eleven, right, and they have these candies that are now discontinued called Mystery Monkeys.
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And we went into every 7-Eleven trying to find them, referring to them as Mystery Monkeys.
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And the cashiers got really confused.
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They were never mad about it, though, they were just confused.
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Has it ever come out in an inopportune moment, like a date or a job interview?
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It has, um, definitely in work a couple of times.
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Um, and I kind of just play it off.
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I think we all just kind of play it off, but do you think it affects how people perceive you?
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It s starting to become my personality.
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I think.
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Does that scare you?
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It does a little bit.
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Yeah.
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I don t want to be known as the Mon guy, you know?
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What would you rather be known as?
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I want to be known as a historian.
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Specifically, like a music historian.
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That s what I m studying in college right now, so.
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Maybe the next time you think you re going to say Mon, you could bring up an interesting music history fact instead.
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That s a really good idea, actually.
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Do you have any for us right now?
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I ll just try that.
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Did you know that when the Rite of Spring premiered in the early 1900s, there were riots?
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That s pretty interesting, man.
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Indeed.
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Well, hey, man, I appreciate the advice.
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I ve got to get going.
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To everyone else out there, just don t even start saying, man, it won t end.
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Thank you for calling.
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Thank you again.
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Hello?
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What s going on?
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Your name is Topher?
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Alright, what s going on with you?
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Oh, shit.
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Well, that s exciting.
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Being nervous is exciting.
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You know, it means your body is telling you that something important is happening.
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I mean, I don t know if this is important, but... I m just excited to talk to you.
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I m excited to talk to you, Topher.
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What s going on?
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I wonder if I smoke too much weed.
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I wonder that myself.
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Let s talk.
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How often you smoking weed?
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Like every couple hours.
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All right, you know what s funny is I always forget that weed is bad for you I ve talked about this a bunch of times, but I always forget It s shut up.
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It s shut up.
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Shut up weeds weed is not bad.
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It s not good It s not I don t care what reddit says and I listen I listen I smoke weed every single day I will not say that it s good for you.
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I
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Okay, I don t, maybe it s not good for like your organs, but I truly believe that it helps me mentally.
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Okay.
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And it helps me.
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So I got really bad ADHD, but, and I can t like think or like get a, get like a solid thought out or like I ll stutter, but then I get high and then I can think about one thing at a time and I can have like a solid conversation.
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It probably wouldn t hurt me to get high right now.
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Alright.
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Um, are you not high right now already?
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You said you smoke every few hours.
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Well, yeah, but it s been probably like an hour and a half or an hour.
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Alright.
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I don t know, man.
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I m not, I m not a, I m not a doctor.
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I don t, um, I don t know what, uh, um, yeah, you know, I know that you, you know, this is what I knew you were going to say this.
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What, that I m not a doctor?
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Yeah, I thought you might say this.
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Tell me, tell me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, so tell me, um, you thought I was going to say, what were you going to say in response to what you thought I was going to say?
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Well, fuck, I don t think I went that far.
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Um, yeah, no, I definitely didn t go that far.
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Um, maybe I didn t, I didn t think I had that.
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You were going to say that, but when you said it, I was like, Oh yeah, that s what I m going to say.
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Well, what, I mean, do you, do you feel as though weed is negatively impacting your life?
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It s negatively impacting my bank account.
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Yeah.
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How much money is on weed?
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like rent, like 800 to a thousand bucks a month.
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And that s gone down to, it used to be.
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What state are you in?
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What state are you in?
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Washington state.
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All right.
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Is it legal there?
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Yeah.
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We got good stuff here.
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It s like the, one of the first states to become legal.
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How much weed do you smoke in a day?
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Well, I smoke dabs cause I ve smoked like every day for like seven years.
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And so the weed stopped affecting me after a few years or like, I mean, it affects me, but not, it doesn t get me like as high as I want to be.
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And so I smoke dabs.
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I have a Puffco.
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Have you ever heard of a Puffco Peak?
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A Puffco Peak?
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Dude, if you- do you ever dab?
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Or do you only smoke weed?
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I mean, I smoke like the pens.
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I haven t- I haven t done the whole dab with the nail and the torch thing in a long time.
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Yeah, but the Puffco s like a portable vaporizer, and it s got like a battery in there.
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And you just- got a little bowl, and you put the dabs in there, and then you- it just stays in the cup holder of my car.
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And it just gets used, like,
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obsessively well all right i mean so how old are you i m 22 okay um do you what do you do in life right now i paint houses and it sucks i hate my job what do you what would you rather be doing that s the thing i don t really have like too much passions like i m honestly i m pretty passionate about weed but it s hard to get into the profession i also really like money because i have to travel
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and I can t really travel without money, and I can t make money working with weed.
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Where would you like to go?
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Next on my list is like Japan and Africa.
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I wanna go to those two places.
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I ve been to like almost 20 countries.
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Cool.
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But you gotta be careful bringing weed to the countries.
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It can get you in trouble.
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Oh yeah, like bringing weed into Japan?
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Mm-hmm.
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I wanna say Paul McCartney did that.
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I wanna say Paul McCartney did that, and it didn t work out for him.
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Did he get in trouble?
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Paul McCartney?
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Yeah, he got caught?
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I think so, but he s, you know, he s Paul McCartney, so nothing bad can ever happen to him.
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Well, that s what they said about Brittany Griner.
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I don t know who that is.
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Oh, that s the fucking, wait, that s the lady who got arrested in Russia for the weed pen, right?
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Yeah, yeah, you got it.
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I think about her all the time.
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I think about her all the time, actually, because I m always bringing a weed pen places.
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I actually got arrested for international drug smuggling.
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Where did you smuggle drugs?
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I didn t I didn t I got arrested for it, but I didn t actually do it Why tell me that story?
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okay, so I was living in Norway at the time and I Made a bad decision.
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I was on like some substances and I couldn t afford to pay for them.
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And so the guy who provided them said Okay, you don t got to pay if I can order like another package to your name, you know on the on the dark side of the internet
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I didn t tell anybody about this for like four years, but I think I m safe now.
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I thought they tapped my phone for like a year.
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I didn t talk about it, but okay.
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Anyways.
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Um, uh, where was I?
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Is that ADHD I was talking about?
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Oh yeah.
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But then the package came and, uh, it was like three weeks later and he was like, and then the package came, but it got confiscated at the border.
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Cause, uh, the dogs or something.
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And then I was just like chilling at the school and the police came and got me and they said, Hey man,
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We have a warrant to search your phone and your room and like all of your belongings that you have in the country.
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Well, fuck, but so they took me away in the handcuffs and they interrogated me.
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They were like yelling at me in Norwegian for like four hours.
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Like, we know you did it.
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Like, like, just tell us or like, and I didn t do, I didn t do it.
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Okay.
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Well tell us who did it.
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And then we ll like take down your sentence.
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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But then there s no proof.
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So I didn t get arrested or so I didn t go to jail.
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But it was like one of the scariest, pretty scary.
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What were you doing living in Norway?
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I was going to school there.
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Oh, okay.
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After high school, I moved there for like a few months to, cause I didn t, just for fun.
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All right.
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So you re a, you re a traveling man.
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I try to be, I haven t gone in like a year.
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Okay.
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Now you re just, now you live in Washington and you re painting houses and you hate it.
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Yeah, I mean this is where I ve always lived.
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This is like the home base, but I ll move.
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I ll like, I ll travel.
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Do you have any money?
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Right now, not a lot.
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But after I finish spending in this house, I ll get paid.
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I got like a solid check coming after I finish this house.
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Cause you don t need, dude, you don t need, like I don t know how much research you ve done, but you don t need like a lot of money to travel.
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You need, I think your biggest expense is gonna be like,
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the plane to get there but if you go to like you know asia or or somewhere like uh really cheap you can get around for not that much money and there s also all these like little programs and whatnot where you can like go work at a hostel or work on a uh teach people english or all these all these things like i don t know i m thinking because like if i if i were you and i just had like
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No, I mean, I guess I can also do whatever I want.
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But like what?
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I don t know that you could want it.
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Why not?
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Why would you stay in Washington painting houses when you could feasibly cobble something together that gets you out on the on the road traveling?
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You know, have you tried to do anything like that?
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I do it yet.
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Tell me the honest truth.
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And this is why people think I smoke too much weed.
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OK.
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because I wouldn t go because I would have to go to a country where weed s legal.
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Like I couldn t go without weed.
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In the last seven years, I didn t smoke for like 40 hours.
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And for those whole 40 hours, I couldn t eat or sleep or like, I was feeling crazy.
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Like I m pretty dependent on that stuff, you know?
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I m pretty sure in like Thailand, I m so dumb and I don t know.
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Thailand, that s true.
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I ve been to Thailand and they have pretty decent weed there actually.
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Go to Thailand.
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Yeah, but what am I going to do there?
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How am I going to make money?
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I don t know.
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Teach English to people.
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And what the fuck am I going to do in Thailand?
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I don t know.
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What the fuck are you going to do anywhere?
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What are we going to do with our lives at all anyway?
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What are we going to do?
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What are you supposed to do?
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God damn it.
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I m freaking out with you, my friend.
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What are we supposed to do with our lives?
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I don t know.
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I have no idea.
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There s nothing to do.
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I think life is pretty pointless, but that s why I like traveling because it s kind of fun.
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It is kind of fun.
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It s entertaining.
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Have you ever spoken to a real therapist about all this weed thing, all this weed stuff?
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No, but I don t think that s the real problem because like I smoke weed, but I actually am pretty, uh, I m like the most productive stoner you ve ever met, like high functioning.
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Like I get my shit done, you know, unless I don t smoke, but I don t get my shit done.
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Like I wake up at 4am and take a dive and then go to work and like work the whole day, you know?
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Okay.
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Are you, um, are you on, but you re unhappy with this, um, with this job and with this life that you re living?
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Is that accurate to say?
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Job kind of sucks.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Like I don t enjoy the work, but it pays me good money.
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Okay.
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I mean, I m trying to think what you could change, you know, if you want to travel, do you have a girlfriend?
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Do you have like something that s else that s weighing you to live in Washington?
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Uh, yeah, I guess I do have a girlfriend.
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Most most the the answer to whether or not you have a girlfriend is usually yes or no and not yeah, I guess I Do I mean she s pretty fresh like a month.
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So it s like not too held down yet, you know All right.
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Are you happy with your relationship?
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Yeah, she s cool, but that s not man That s fucked up too.
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I don t know how much time you have What do you mean it s fucked up
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Well, like, okay, she s super cool.
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And like, she s actually dope.
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But I didn t know, like my best friend, I didn t know before I started dating her, my best friend took her virginity.
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And that like, fucks with my brain, dude.
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I don t know if I can like stay with like, I don t know if I could like, like, theoretically, like you date to marry, right?
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I don t know if I can, like the sentence, my best friend took my wife s virginity.
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Like that does not fit.
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That is not a very good sentence.
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Um, how did you meet this person?
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Just like through mutual friends.
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Okay.
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Do you like her?
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I do.
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She s actually super cool.
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That s why, that s why it s funny.
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Cause if I didn t actually like her, I would have just like dropped it already.
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I just look, I, I get that like,
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Whatever, I get that dudes have hang-ups about things like that, but on a personal level, to me, like, if you like this girl... Look, on a personal level, to me, if you like this girl, then who gives a fuck who she s had sex with before?
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Well, yeah, but that s like... I don t know.
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Because that s like my best friend, too.
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And like, I ll be uncomfortable if like... Because I want my girlfriend and my friend to be able to hang out.
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And like, I want to like...
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And I trust them, yeah, but like, I definitely feel some type of way if they re hanging out on their own, you know?
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Not on their own, but like, I don t know, even if like they re just talking, like it makes me feel weird.
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Um... But I need my girlfriend and my friend to be friends, you know?
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Okay, um...
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I feel like look this is I mean this is a whole separate conversation and maybe that s why you didn t want to bring it up but
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To me, it s like, you have to build up some sense of security of like, I trust my girlfriend and I trust my friend to, you know, I love my girlfriend, I trust her not to cheat on me, right?
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And if you re just constantly insecure about whether or not she s gonna cheat on you, that s a problem.
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No, that s the thing I do.
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Like, I don t think she would, but it still makes me feel weird.
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Like, I do trust her though.
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Mm-hmm Like I think it s just like the male like and that like what it s called like psychology just doesn t like it Okay Yeah, this is dude this one stumped me too
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I don t know, you know, talking to you, you know, I ve been, I ve been enjoying talking to you because you, uh, as I talk to you and I think about your life and your problems, I kind of get out of my own, you know?
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And I m like, I was saying, but I m like, I don t know.
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I don t know, dude.
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I don t know what to tell you.
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SPEAKER_00
I really don t.
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Um, Hmm.
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Like, is it a deal breaker?
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What, that your girlfriend had sex with your friend before you guys were dating?
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Why, I just...
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whatever everyone s I get that guys have hang-ups about things but I and but to me it s like dude if you this shouldn t be more complicated than you two like each other and make each other happy so you re together you know why why are you over
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complicating this with the fact that she lost her virginity to your friends.
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How long ago even was that?
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I don t know, like four or five years?
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That was a while ago.
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Okay, so then what s the... I don t get why you re hung up on it.
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I m an overthinker, man.
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My brain s always moving like a million miles an hour.
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Is it the weed?
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What?
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SPEAKER_04
Is it the weed?
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No, the weed calms it down.
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It s the ADHD that makes my brain go crazy.
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SPEAKER_04
Buddy, you should see a real therapist at some point.
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Have you ever thought about doing that?
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No.
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My mom s always told me to.
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People have told me to before, but I m like, I don t know about that one.
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I don t really
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like the thought of paying somebody to talk to me.
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I also feel like I can probably figure it out on my own eventually.
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Well, what are you going to do, man?
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It might take a little longer.
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What am I going to do?
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Yeah, what are you going to do?
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Just what are you going to do?
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We ve talked about a lot of stuff.
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We ve talked about your relationship.
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We ve talked about your desire to travel.
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We ve talked about weed.
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We ve talked about your job.
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What are you going to do?
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I mean, I m probably going to go smoke weed.
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Why?
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For some reason, I thought that you would say that.
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I mean, I don t know what else to do.
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Is there anything else you wanted to, and I m not even saying this like to end this conversation, but is there any other aspect or anything at all that you wanted to talk about?
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Damn, I mean probably, but I m not gonna think of it right now.
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My brain s like... I m gonna get off the phone and I m gonna be like, damn, I should have asked him this.
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But no, it s okay.
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I guess not.
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Okay.
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Try not to...
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Try not to hold yourself back with, like, random bullshit.
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If something s between you and being happy and calm, at least make sure it s, like, worth being a barrier between you and that, and not just, like, a bullshit thing.
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Does that make sense?
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Is that a fair thing to say?
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No, I mean, yeah, that s fair.
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I overthink a lot and, like, make up
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things that get in the way that probably shouldn t even be there.
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Me too, man.
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And I m sure a lot of people listening to this do as well.
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Well, on that note, I hope you re going to ask me if I have anything else to say to the people at the computer.
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Yeah.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people at the computer?
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I hope that everybody doesn t overthink too much and gets a little extra high today.
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Have a good rest of your entire life, my friend.
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Thank you, Gecko.
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Have a good night.
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SPEAKER_04
Hi, how are you?
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Hi, I m good.
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SPEAKER_02
How are you?
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SPEAKER_04
I m doing OK.
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SPEAKER_04
What s going on?
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Well, at this moment, I am feeding my son little apples that I baked them in the oven with butter and cinnamon.
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And yeah, they re all soft and you d like some.
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How are you?
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SPEAKER_04
That sounds very delicious.
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SPEAKER_04
Um, I m okay.
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I m actually, I m feeling better today than I have been.
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SPEAKER_04
So that s good.
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SPEAKER_04
That s good.
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SPEAKER_02
What s different about today than other days?
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I, you know, I left my fucking room to go be in places that are not my room.
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I did some push-ups.
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I meditated for like a second.
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Feeling good.
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Working on myself.
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That s good.
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Meditating is great once you really start to get into it for, I think, just relaxing and your mental kind of focus.
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SPEAKER_04
So, what is your name?
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My name is Sophia.
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SPEAKER_04
So, Sophia, what s up with you, man?
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SPEAKER_04
Is there anything in particular you called in to want to talk about?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, so, okay.
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I hope no one I know watches this stream, but my fiance and I, we, a while ago, we, gosh, this is,
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weird to talk about.
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SPEAKER_02
We made the decision to obviously have a baby but the thing about that is we told my parents that he was an accident and at the time, I had an IUD and everything.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know if you know that form of birth control, what that really is.
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SPEAKER_02
Do you know what an IUD is?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, sick.
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SPEAKER_02
And the copper IUD is like 99% effective.
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And we had said that I was at 1% that actually did get pregnant off of the non-hormonal IUD.
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SPEAKER_02
And my son is now six months and they think that he is a miracle from God.
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SPEAKER_02
Uh, yeah, we don t know when or if we are ever going to tell my parents or how we would go about that.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, but yeah, so we ve been just kind of living off of this lie, uh, for a while.
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And like, the thing about that is we told my parents in like November, um, that, uh, I was pregnant and I didn t actually get pregnant until January.
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And I don t know if they know if they ever did the math in their head and they just didn t care, or if they just never thought twice about it.
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And I had them in August.
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SPEAKER_04
So wait, so you convinced your parents that you re like the Virgin Mary, and that your child is a gift from God or something?
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Yeah, we didn t say that, but that s how they took it.
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The funny thing is we do actually know people that have gotten pregnant off of the IUD.
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So it s not something that s like completely crazy.
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But because it has happened.
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So we just kind of took that and used it as our own.
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SPEAKER_04
Really is the IUD only is it like hand sanitizer where it s only 99.9% effective?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, especially if it s non-hormonal.
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If it moves, you re very likely to get pregnant.
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So yeah, versus the hormonal one, which is even more effective.
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But I just had, long story short, I ve had a bad reaction to hormonal birth controls, and so I stuck with the non-hormonal IUD.
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SPEAKER_03
So, okay, here s what I don t understand.
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Why did you tell them that it was an accident?
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What was the point of that?
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Because, so,
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I am 21 years old.
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I m pretty young.
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And so is my fiance.
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My fiance is even younger than I am.
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And so I got pregnant when I was 20.
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And he became a soon-to-be father at 19.
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And my parents, so they are very, like,
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They wanted me to live my life the way they wanted me to live my life.
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You know what I mean?
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And when I was in college, I m currently going to SCC, but I was going to a university originally because they just really, really wanted me to go to university.
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I don t think they even really knew what that meant.
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They just were like, college, college, college, college.
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You need to go to college here when you re not going to go to college.
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And they paid for it, which is, of course, very kind of them and generous to be wanting a good future for me.
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But I didn t even know what I wanted to do at a university.
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And I ve been with my now fiance for going on three years.
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And we wanted to move in, like, my freshman year in college.
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and or like at least the next year we were talking about it when I was a freshman and I had told my mom and she just flipped the fuck out and she was like absolutely not you re not doing this and I think I was 20, 19, 20 at the time and yeah so that s kind of like a small thing that had happened and because I also knew that they would never
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They would never approve of me wanting a child so young.
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And so this was the only other way to go about it.
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And kind of we re kind of glad that we told them early on, even lying about it, because they ended up having we had several fights with them about the way I wanted to raise my child and because they thought that the way I wanted to raise them was incorrect.
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So so so what I m I guess what I m kind of curious about is so you told them that your child was an accident
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because you felt like that would take the blame off of you for deciding to have a kid?
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Yeah, a little bit.
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So in your mind, the idea for your parents that you kind of just messed up and got pregnant and are following through with it is an easier pill for them to swallow than me and my fiancee decided to have a kid so young.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, and we didn t even tell them that we were
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you know, even engaged at that time.
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SPEAKER_00
My mom and dad were, um, uh, they were like, Oh, like, do you guys want to get married?
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Cause we were talking about getting eloped.
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And so they even tried to throw a whole wedding for us.
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And we were going to, we were planning on getting married in Hawaii and all this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00
And I was about five months pregnant.
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Um, but the thing about the, uh, anyways, that s kind of set the point.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, okay.
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SPEAKER_02
Well, let me ask you this.
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Um, I mean, how are you, how are you doing with the kid?
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Are you like, how old is the kid?
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SPEAKER_00
He s going to be seven months.
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SPEAKER_00
He s doing phenomenal as well.
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SPEAKER_00
My fiancee supports us really well.
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SPEAKER_00
We re all very happy and healthy.
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SPEAKER_02
So you re happy with your decision?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, we are.
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SPEAKER_00
We kind of think to ourselves every now and then, like, damn, maybe we should have waited, but we always see the other side.
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SPEAKER_00
We would rather be young parents that way when our child is even like five, six years old.
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SPEAKER_00
My mom and dad were older when they had me.
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SPEAKER_00
My mom was over 30 and my dad was 40.
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SPEAKER_00
And I just remember when I was young, like my mom, my dad had a bad back, and you know, he couldn t go on roller coasters with me or like my mom was just, you know, not wanting to do some of the things that I wanted to do when I was a kid, like running around with doing this or this, that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00
So, okay, we can make that decision of doing raising a child early and then
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SPEAKER_00
Uh, when we re like 40, he s going to be 20 and, um, we ll be able to, uh, do our own thing as well.
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SPEAKER_00
How the rest of our lives to do things that we want to do.
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SPEAKER_00
And we felt secure enough to have a child.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, well, that s good that you re happy with your decision.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, so I mean, look like, I mean, uh, are you, are you having like stress over the fact that your mom doesn t know that, uh, you, you made the decision to have the baby?
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SPEAKER_00
Um, I guess I kind of have some guilt sometimes, um, about lying to her.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, but, um, I don t know how she would have taken it if I had
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purposely if I had told her I purposely had a had a child rather than oh yeah I remember the thing I was gonna say she almost sees it as like a noble thing because like because he seems like an accident I it s look it looks noble because like okay I m taking this and then I m having a child now and I m taking the responsibility rather than I don t know
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I don t know, but after I told her that I am deciding on keeping the child, my son now, her and my father would always be like, oh, we re so proud of you for taking this on and making this decision.
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SPEAKER_02
The reason why I asked if it makes you feel any stress, do you think it would make you feel better to just tell them the truth?
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SPEAKER_00
Um, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, I think, sorry, my son is banging his feet against his little chair.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, but it s, sorry, I could you repeat the question?
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Um, do you, would it make you feel better to tell them the truth?
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SPEAKER_00
Um, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, I think, uh, it would take stress off my mental in the long run.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, but, uh, right now, um,
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It s nice having a decent relationship with my parents.
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I feel like that would really put a, it would fracture our relationship, really.
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Because I ve, when I was younger, I was like so complacent with my parents and would just do really whatever they told me.
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And when I got a little bit older, I started, you know, having a mind of my own.
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And I think this would really kind of set them over the edge.
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And sorry.
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SPEAKER_02
What is he so pissed off about?
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I don t understand why babies are always, they got a great life.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know what they re upset about.
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SPEAKER_00
You made him apples.
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SPEAKER_00
He s actually so happy about the apples that he s banging his feet against the chair.
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SPEAKER_00
Um, but, um, I m sorry.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, okay.
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So, okay.
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SPEAKER_02
So, so you, uh, the, the, the question of whether or not to tell them the truth.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Um, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_00
I don t know.
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Now, I don t think so because they are just so happy that he s here that they take every opportunity to see him and there s no really stress on any of us but I don t know if it s a moral thing to really live out the rest of their lives with this lie that their grandson was a miracle.
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that he made it through the IUD.
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I mean, I guess in my look, I guess in my head, like to declare yourself mature enough at 21 to have a kid, it s like a big thing to do.
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It s a confident thing to do.
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I m glad I look.
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I m glad it worked out for you from from how it sounds.
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I m happy about that.
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SPEAKER_02
And so if you have the confidence at that age to decide you want to have a kid.
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You know, I look, I m not, I don t want to tell you what to do, but, uh, I, I would think you would have, uh, a similar confidence to just live your life, how you want to live it with, you know, truthfully and not be so, you know, um, scared of what your parents might think.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, that s true.
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SPEAKER_02
But again, you know, it doesn t sound like you re being eaten alive every night by the fact that your parents think your kid was an accident.
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So then, you know, again, the decision s up to you.
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SPEAKER_02
It doesn t sound like a very dire thing.
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SPEAKER_00
Right.
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SPEAKER_00
I guess it s just a story I kind of want to talk about, too.
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SPEAKER_02
It s very, well, it s very interesting because it s just subtle.
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SPEAKER_02
Like I, even through talking about it, I still don t fully understand.
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SPEAKER_00
If you have any questions, I ll answer or I can, I don t know, fill in any blanks that I missed, that you feel like I missed.
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SPEAKER_02
Um, what is your name again?
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Sophia.
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SPEAKER_02
Sophia.
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Well, Sophia, listen, I m glad that your decision sounds like it worked out for you, and I hope you continue to live a happy life.
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Thanks, Gex.
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SPEAKER_02
Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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SPEAKER_00
I guess, I don t know if you re going to end up putting this on the podcast or not, but if you do, hello, Jason.
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SPEAKER_00
That s my fiancé.
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SPEAKER_00
And love forever.
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SPEAKER_02
Hey, thanks man.
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SPEAKER_02
Take care, Sofia.
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SPEAKER_00
You too.
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SPEAKER_00
Bye, Gek.
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SPEAKER_02
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SPEAKER_01
Hello?
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SPEAKER_01
What s up?
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SPEAKER_01
I have a story for you of past life.
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SPEAKER_01
I am living a whole different life now and I have kind of repressed this whole thing.
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SPEAKER_01
But are you ready?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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SPEAKER_01
So me and my girlfriend, I was 19 and she was 18.
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SPEAKER_01
We became escorts.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, I was an escort and she was one too.
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SPEAKER_01
And what we did was we just used, we used like these websites that I shouldn t name because of dangerous condemnation, I suppose.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t want to condone my actions because I had a friend try to do what I did and they got robbed at gunpoint.
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SPEAKER_01
But basically what I used to do when I was 18 and 19 was I used to just use these websites where you go on sugar daddy dates and stuff, things of that nature.
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SPEAKER_01
And I would like go out with guys
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Because it s mostly men paying for this kind of shit, it s not really women.
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SPEAKER_01
And so I was doing that, and when I had met my girlfriend, she was doing it as well.
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SPEAKER_01
And that was kind of what our initial conversations were about actually, was just like, oh wow, we use the same website to do the same things, you know, all these things, and so we bonded through that in a way.
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SPEAKER_01
Because, you know, when I met her, it was mostly just about, you know, forming a friendship and forming someone, forming a relationship potentially as well in the future.
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SPEAKER_01
But then it was like, oh shit, like we do the same thing.
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SPEAKER_01
This is crazy.
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SPEAKER_01
And so we built a bond through that and we just went out into the world going on, going on dates.
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SPEAKER_01
And, um, I don t even know where to start.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, but we basically, I mean, we ve seen it all, both of us.
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SPEAKER_01
And it was quite weird.
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SPEAKER_01
And because it s a really weird world.
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SPEAKER_01
And I did you have any questions I could answer for you?
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SPEAKER_00
So how old are you now?
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SPEAKER_00
I m 26.
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I just turned 26 in August.
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SPEAKER_00
How long were you doing this for?
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I was doing this for from 18 to about 20.
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Partially when I was 21.
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But I stopped.
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I took a break.
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The reason why I stopped doing it in general, and this is the crazy part too, is when I was young, I didn t really have much prospect of an idea of what I could do.
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SPEAKER_01
And it was like, well, I m cute, so let me go out there and go on dates with men and stuff and things of that nature.
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SPEAKER_01
And I was pansexual, and so it was like, yeah, fuck it, let s go do this shit.
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SPEAKER_01
And it was never anything... You can use explicit language on here still, right?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Okay.
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So it was never anything, um, sexual, like I, like there were times like I would see guys and like, it would lead to a sexual encounter, but for the most part, it was just like dinner with guys in LA, uh, LA.
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SPEAKER_01
And like, um, I was in mostly, um, LA towns, LA region areas.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, and then sometimes I would go to like the Bay area and such.
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SPEAKER_01
And there was a time when me and my girlfriend were living in New York and she was seeing guys in like lower Manhattan.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, and I would, um, I would literally, cause I, at that point it was like, she was making way more than I was doing it.
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SPEAKER_01
And I was like, well, why don t you do it?
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SPEAKER_01
And then I can watch you.
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SPEAKER_01
And so I would literally dress as homeless as possible and just like sit outside restaurants and just like watch her.
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SPEAKER_01
And it was, it was really interesting.
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SPEAKER_01
Cause I m, I m not really a jealous type.
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SPEAKER_01
Um, and I m not really like a, a person who like, and I, I trust her in general too.
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SPEAKER_01
And it was just so interesting because when you go on these dates, you re conforming to an audience, you know, you re not, you re not the person that you portray yourself as, you know, you re a whole different person.
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SPEAKER_01
You re just whatever they want you to be, you know, cause they just want someone to talk to and someone to tell about their life story and someone to go places with to like looks cute and dresses apart so that they can feel elevated.
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SPEAKER_01
Cause most people are really lonely.
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SPEAKER_01
And it s about the fact that like, they re trying to purchase, um, companionship.
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SPEAKER_01
That was mostly it for both of us.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, like, there were times when, like, I did like some guys and I think she liked some guys she saw, too, in the past.
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SPEAKER_01
We both stopped doing it because it just became a... And I want to stress this to anyone who s doing that in general, like, there is a way out.
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SPEAKER_01
We stopped doing it because it became the situation where we just felt like it was really affecting our sense of pride and sense of self-worth, because that s the thing, like,
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you re just whatever they want you to be.
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SPEAKER_01
And that same thing went for like our adult content and stuff too.
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SPEAKER_01
We had an OnlyFans and we had a Pornhub account.
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SPEAKER_00
Are you, are you and this girl still together?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
It s been six years now and it s been amazing and I love her and I love her family and I am so happy.
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SPEAKER_01
We have a house together and we have two cats and um,
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We also have two geese and two turkeys and it s really great.
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SPEAKER_01
And she s going to school for, uh, she s in the tech field.
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She s going to school for tech stuff.
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SPEAKER_01
And I have a really cushy, boring job.
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SPEAKER_01
And we honestly, we talk about it sometimes, but we kept it very secret from our family.
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SPEAKER_01
So I always get scared whenever I talk about it with people, because it was something that like, I kind of repressed mostly because it just like, it wouldn t really resonate well with my family or her family.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you ever miss doing it?
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SPEAKER_01
You know what the issue is with that actually, is that I do, I think I miss doing both of those.
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SPEAKER_01
The money was really easy and it was really convenient and the money was like really great.
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SPEAKER_01
It was very seasonal, you know?
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SPEAKER_01
Your best times to do it, the best times in my opinion were like the wintertime and the holidays.
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SPEAKER_00
It was the winter, right?
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SPEAKER_00
That s when everyone, that s cuffing season.
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SPEAKER_01
yes and then everyone there s like no one with anybody so i do miss it because it was like honestly and and it kind of burnt me out in a way too like it was the only time when like i was around exuberant consumerism you know like we got gifts my girlfriend used to get like really sensitive perfumes and stuff and like bags and like guys would take both of us
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SPEAKER_01
like, individually on our own dates.
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Like, we go to, like, really fancy restaurants.
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And, and, like, we as a couple, we ve never really gone to fancy restaurants.
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But also, like, none of that really mattered to me.
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Like, I didn t care about the bags or the restaurants and things of that nature, because it wasn t really, it was nice, but it wasn t really real.
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And I feel like it, part of it kind of killed my whole desire to, like, do bougie things.
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Like, now I live in, like, a really basic house, and I live a really, like,
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financially conservative lifestyle because I just kind of realized from all those things that it s just not really worth it, you know?
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Did anyone ever take both you and your girlfriend out on dates at the same time?
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No, no, but my girlfriend did go on a date with her friend one time because her friend was like, I want to do this, but she was like, I don t want to do this alone.
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So my girlfriend was like, well, we can go on a double date with some guy.
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And it was absolutely horrible.
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And I ve heard of people doing that kind of thing.
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Well, because like the more people it is, because like no one wants to, okay,
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Typically speaking, mostly people are paying about like four to five hundred dollars per person, like for the dates, for like an hour date.
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Now you re trying to sell somebody on paying that for two people on a date, and the only people who are gonna want that are gonna want something afterwards, you know?
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So like, the guy they went on the date with was just like, egregiously like, you know, over-sexualizing them and like, you know, just like creeping the fuck out.
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And so,
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Once they got that money, they ran off because it was just like a- I don t- you know, I guess that s one of the things I don t- I don t really understand about, like, the- the seeking arrangement thing is, like, these people- these people are mainly paying for, like, platonic- like, it s- they re paying for, like- they re paying for, like, platonic, um, uh, companionship, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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In some ways it s kind of like written off at that as that in some ways But what they really wanted to do like that s why I never really used speaking arrangement Because it s one of those websites that I feel like is you know like it s like this conversational game of like finding people who just want to hang out you know because a lot of them on like a lot of people on speaking arrangements are
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just want a prostitute.
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They just want someone to pay whatever amount of money.
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Yeah.
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Which is bizarre to me because it s like if that s what you want, why don t you just hire a prostitute?
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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But they want someone more innocent.
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They want someone, you know, because like prostitutes use prostitution websites.
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And then people who use thinking arrangements are like college kids and things of that nature.
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Younger people who like don t really know about that world, that scary world of prostitution and things of that nature.
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So it attracts a different audience of like providers, you know.
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and they know where to go to find what they want.
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Which is kind of the creepy part too, because like once I got older, it became, you know, a bit different.
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Cause it s like, you know, they don t want, they don t want someone who has their shit together.
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They don t want, they don t want someone who knows what they want in life.
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They want a lot of these guys, which is, I mean, like, you know, it s mostly guys.
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They just want someone who they can use, who they can manipulate and you know, all of those things.
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And it s just really, yeah, it s really quite sad.
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Do, um, did you ever go on any, any dates with any sugar mamas?
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No.
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And I remember there was this one time that there was this one girl who did want to do that, but you know, like the people, the sugar mamas who were on there, they want sex because they know that they have a specific niche that they feel, which is the fact that like men who would typically do this with women,
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are typically willing to have sex with them.
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Maybe, I don t know, maybe I m making rash analysis, but I ve seen a few of them, but they want sex.
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They know what they want.
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And they usually, from what I, I remember getting the most grimy, just scary messages.
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And then also it just, whenever I would see them, it just came off as this cover for sex trafficking, like some Ghislaine Maxwell type shit.
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It just kind of scared me a little bit.
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Or they want to like have sex with you in front of their husband or just weird shit like that.
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It just, it, it, it, it, it s too dangerous in my opinion.
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Whenever I see a woman on there.
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Fascinating.
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Hmm.
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And now you re, you re working at a desk job.
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What, do you have any of the money saved up still?
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Are you, are you doing anything?
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We were so horribly irresponsible with that money.
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I mean, we still have some of the items we bought for sure.
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What s the most expensive thing that you, that you kept?
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Um, okay.
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Fuck.
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Well, that s, okay.
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So I, there was this one guy, my girlfriend saw and we got, well, you re a, you re an LA person, you know, the Labo, right?
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I know what?
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Perfumery.
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And okay.
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So the Labo is this perfumery and they re based out of New York.
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They have some places in LA.
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It s like a really busy, like really busy perfumery.
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I don t know a whole lot about, uh, the local perfumeries around here.
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I see.
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Well, the big bottles are like $300, I think.
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I think the guy, one of the guys had connections and got us five bottles.
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And I gave them to various friends.
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And I told my friends, because they didn t know what was going on.
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I was like, yeah, I have this friend who works for Le Labo and he got me perfumes.
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So each one of those was like $3.75, I think, like the big bottle.
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And I just gave those to various friends.
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And I still have one of the bottles because it s like a really big perfume.
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And then designer handbags and such too, like I got this Chanel bag and a few other things.
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And then things of that nature, just miscellaneous designer items or like sunglasses too, designer sunglasses, mostly things of that nature.
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My girlfriend got me a pair of Gucci sunglasses, but she framed it as like she wanted them.
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So she asked, cause like the guy was like, send me your Amazon wishlist and then she sent him
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um, some, like a wishlist item for like a bunch of designer sunglasses.
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And then she was able to get me that.
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And that s kind of the game we used to play.
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Sometimes we d be like, Oh, Oh, this guy gets on this wishlist.
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What do you want?
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What do you want?
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You know, type situation.
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And then we talk about it together and see, okay, well, we should get this and this.
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And that was really fun.
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But when you, when you become an old man, you know, do you, do you, if you, and if you re lonely and maybe you, maybe your girlfriend s not around anymore.
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What would you do?
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Would you ever pay somebody to go on a date with you?
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Or would you join like a elderly tennis club?
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I think I would, I ve, and I ve, cause I know internally I have a kink, like I love older people.
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Um, and so I think that it d be like, well, I m old, so now I can really get the older people, but I don t know.
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You know, I think about that and it s just like, it s different.
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Um, when you re, I was talking to my grandma about this because we re talking about,
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you know, like what it s like, like, like, like, like, like what sex and things by nature is like as you get older and older.
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And she was just like, well, once you get past your 60s slash 70s, it s just, it s not the same, you know?
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And it s like, you appreciate like slower things and things of that nature.
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Wait, who were you talking about this with?
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My grandmother.
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And she was talking about sex.
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Well, yes.
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We were talking about how as you get older, you lose that ability.
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She was kind of drunk, so she was just having this really open conversation.
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But she was talking about how when you get older, your ability to do such things is different.
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So, like, you know, you just hang out with people or you just sit around and stuff.
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And I really can t tell what my future holds, but I know that a lot of the older guys just wanted to, like,
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Breathe in youth, you know, it s something that they re not used to being around anymore because they re older and what people around them are older So is that what they can t have is your great is your grandfather a lot or around?
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No My both of my grandfathers on my both my parents side are like deadbeats.
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Is your grandma?
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having a lot of sex I Don t know.
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She s um She s always been um
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She has like eight husbands, I think, and each husband has a different kid with her.
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So she has like eight kids, each one with a different husband.
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So she s a pretty wild character.
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Well, look, it sounds like she was just bluffing when she s talking about how you can t do that much at that age if she has eight different kids with eight different husbands.
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It s possible.
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I don t know.
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She s a very secretive person.
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And I think it s just, you know, different era.
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She s like from the 40s.
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Yeah, she s born like 1938.
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So like, you know, she s from a whole different level of like, conservatism and like, she s not talking about things.
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She s cool as fuck.
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Yeah, she s cool.
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She loves talking shit about people.
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I come over her house sometimes and she ll just talk shit about anybody in my life.
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And it s just like, wow, do you just, whenever I m gone, do you just talk shit about me too?
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Yeah, probably.
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Yeah, that s what grandmas do, they talk shit about their kids and their grandkids and stuff.
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But that s okay though, I don t think it matters.
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It s not like it will.
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What s your name again?
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My name is Dante.
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Dante, hmm.
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Yeah.
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Well, it s weird.
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Like if you have, if you like older people, if that s kind of your thing, it s like, what are you going to do when you get old, man?
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Then, because like, if you re 80, the best you can do is like, you know, a 90 year old, maybe.
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Maybe.
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I don t know.
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Being fairly limited.
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Us as men, it s a bit different.
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The privileges that like, cause like the thing is, is like, I mean, it s commonly talked about like the dating pool for men.
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kind of gets larger and larger as you get older, whereas dating for women gets smaller and smaller as they get older, just due to like gender issues and like dichotomy of sexualization of different genders and things of that nature.
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But, um, yeah, cause I ve seen like a fair share of older people who are fucking drippy as hell.
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Like, um, there s plenty of like old men who are out there in the world who are just like cool as hell and people are just like, wow,
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I want to be like him when I get old, you know?
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Well Dante, is there any other like aspect of this or anything that you want to share before we go?
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Let me ask the chat if they have any questions.
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Chat, anything you want to ask to Dante before we go?
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Nervous Squirrel says that your grandma sounds like a baddie.
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She is.
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She s pretty cool.
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I don t know if I can talk about my grandma s looks.
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That sounds pretty scary.
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Jamin Baker wants to know if you like Dr. Pepper.
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I don t really like soda, actually.
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I drink a lot of wine, though.
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But there was something I did want to say, and that is that if you get into this lifestyle, I see so many people who just get shit on for doing OnlyFans and things of that nature or doing adult content.
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And it seems as though a lot of people feel like if you do that, there s no way out.
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And I truly think that there is a way out.
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Because as time goes on, there s so much saturation of adult content creators.
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And I guess it varies on like, you know, how popular you become.
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We had a, you know, relatively sizable fan base with our content creation.
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Um, but you know, once we were done with it, we deleted everything.
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And you know, there was a little like period of time when like people would like DM me on my personal Instagram, things of that nature and be like, Oh, what happened?
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What happened?
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And I kind of scared me.
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So it was like, Oh shit, they, they know what s going on, but there is a future outside of that.
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If that s what you want in life and do not put yourself in a box and feel like you can t do other things with your life because you did this thing.
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Uh, Emily Bayes wants to know how was the sex with rich men?
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Um,
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Hmm.
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Okay.
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Pretty good.
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Um, not as vigorous.
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It s like trying to think of it in a non weird way.
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It s like whenever you like shake an old man s hand and it s like strong as fuck, but like not moving fast.
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That s what sex with old men is like.
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It s like strong and like, but like, it s not embracing, you know, it s not like scary.
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Like how like younger men have sex with like, Oh, vicious and crazy.
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Like,
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Older men are like, they re firm, but they re, and it s, um, it s also very conservative, you know, like they don t want to do any like weird shit.
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They just want to like, you know, have normal sex and they re not, they didn t last very long.
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And they just, they re, it s very simplistic.
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And oftentimes for me, it was in like foreign cars and such, like in the back seats where their drivers are driving.
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It was kind of weird.
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Um, I remember one time I was, oh yes, that s it.
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Oh, sure.
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If you, if you have a story about having sex with an old man, you can, you can tell it real quick.
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OK, I mean, I was just in the backseat of this guy s Rolls Royce.
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It was a Phantom, I think the four door one.
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And his driver was.
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driving and we re having sex in the backseat and it was just really weird because there s a fucking person in the front seat and it just like that never really felt normalized to me but it was pretty fire honestly and I thought him a lot he was pretty cool he was pretty respectful too but yeah that was that that was live well thanks for calling Dante did this how did it feel to talk about all this
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Uh, scary.
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I ve never talked to, I mean, this is a pretty big audience that you have and I ve never really talked to anyone in my life about this.
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So it s nice to be, it s nice to have anonymity and talk about this with somebody and to like, you know, honestly, I just wanted to get this off my chest and talk to other people and let people know about this kind of thing.
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And I really appreciate the platform that you provided me to do this.
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I really appreciate your work that you do as well.
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Oh, thanks man.
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Thanks man.
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I haven t seen your work, but I m sure it s, it s pretty rad too.
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I try my best.
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Well, thank you very much for your time.
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I really appreciate this.
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Of course.
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Take care, Dante.
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You too.
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Bye bye.
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A Rolls Royce.
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I always thought a Rolls Royce was a watch.
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I didn t realize it was a car.
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That s my only comment on that story.
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Thanks for calling, Dante.
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Hello, folks.
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It is Lyle.
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We are at the end of this episode.
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But get this, I m about to play a clip before we go from this week s bonus episode, which is a live show that I recorded in front of 500 people all the way over in Sydney, Australia.
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Bonus episodes are available to premium Supercast subscribers of Therapy Gecko.
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Subscribers also get access to all episodes ad-free, all currently existing bonus episodes, multiple new bonus episodes a month, and other fun stuff.
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If you want to sign up to become a premium member, you can go to therapygecko.supercast.com or find the link in the episode description.
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Anyway,
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Here s a little bit of this week s bonus ep.
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Alright, Sully, you texted in because you wanted to talk about, um, you said, My mom gave my girlfriend permission to peg me.
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Yep.
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Now did your-
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Did your girlfriend give your mom permission to watch?
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No.
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I fucking hope not, no.
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Tell me about this relationship your mom has with your girlfriend where she s gay-keeping your asshole.
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I guess I ll preface this by saying my mother is a sex, love and relationship coach.
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Okay, that s gotta be weird for you.
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Yeah, you wouldn t believe it.
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Everyone s like, hey, you know that kid from sex education?
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Oh, you know it.
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Wait, dude, your mom taught sex education at your school?
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No, fuck.
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I m so thankful for that.
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That would suck if she taught with you in the class.
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Yeah, this was a later thing that came on.
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So it started off, me and my partner and a few friends do a thing called Wishmas, which I highly suggest everyone do.
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It s like a secret Santa.
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Sounds like it hasn t worked out for you.
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No, it s very funny.
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So you do a secret Santa, but you re only allowed to buy things from the site called Wish.
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I don t know if you know Wish.
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Oh, yeah, sure, sure.
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You know, Crackpipes, you know, $5 PlayStation 5s, Dildos, all that sort of shit.
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Yeah.
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All in the one place.
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It s fantastic.
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Wish, Edward Cullen.
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There it is.
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There you go.
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Yeah, so for my person, they gifted me a present.
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They gifted me a, you know, obviously, Sully from Monsters, Inc.
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It was a butt plug, but it was with the Sully tail.
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If you wanna see this full Australia show, you can go to therapygecko.supercast.com to sign up now and become a premium member or find the link in the episode description.
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All right, that s it.
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I have nothing else to say.
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I hate recording things.
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I think I probably fucked this recording up and restarted it at least five times, and it was really stressful, so I m gonna go play Red Dead Redemption for six hours.
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Thanks.
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♪ Every weekend goes on the line ♪ ♪ Taking your phone calls every night ♪
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Teaching you how to live your life But he s not really an expert