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Let s go shimmy.
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Most people don t know about shimmy.
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They don t know about your alter ego.
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No.
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Well, yeah, you were the one who brought it out of me.
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We were, right?
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Well, we would do shows.
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We would do shows in New York, and you would go full shimmy.
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I d be on the side of the stage yelling out, shimmy!
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Well, when we first started, by the way, we did the Joe Rogan experience 30 years ago, right?
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Yeah.
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Just wasn t millions of people.
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Just hanging out.
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Exactly.
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Just playing pool.
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You, you, I remember Sussman brought you into town.
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You started at Nick s?
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Was it Nick s or?
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I started at Stitches in Boston.
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Stitches.
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And then I was like two years in when I met you.
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And then I think we met at Eastside, which was awesome.
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What a great club.
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What a great club.
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I was just there.
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Shout out to Richie Manervini.
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Yes, my man.
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He was, it was the greatest, the greatest place to go.
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I remember it would be a line around the block, two shows, like, on a Wednesday night.
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It was insane comedy then.
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The golden age of comedy at the time.
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1990?
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Yes.
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Oh, my God.
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It was incredible back then.
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91-ish?
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I started at 89.
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I think I met you in, what is it, 90...
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91 maybe, 90, 91, somewhere around there.
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Yeah, somewhere in there.
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And I was, you know, I was following everybody.
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That was my thing.
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Like, I was being the stand-up comedian with the, you know, the jacket sleeves pushed up and the bolo tie.
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You know what I m talking about?
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I was just that straight thing.
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And you came into town, and we were like, who is this dude?
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Like, you just didn t care about anything.
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And it was like, you ve always remained the same.
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And it was just incredible to watch.
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We were like, whoa, he just doesn t care.
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And that s what you were, you would work with me on that.
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You would be like, brother, you can t be like you re handing out a platter of food for these people.
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Like, do what you want to do.
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And I was like, I just got to get going.
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Yeah, I got to wrap my head around that.
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You re right.
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You know?
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I would just try to make the audience so happy.
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You re like, stop it.
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Stop it.
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And you gotta let go, and you d get me going crazy.
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I d get all fired up there.
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I d be, like, yelling at people.
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They d be like, whoa!
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It s like, why don t we bring it back a little bit?
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But it was different, man.
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It really was.
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It was... It really taught me to, most of all, to be comfortable in front of an audience and not care about them.
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You know, I still... I literally battle with it to this day.
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That anxiety of, oh, gosh, I get nervous and I start overthinking things.
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So, um, but it really helped me to say like, just do what you do.
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And it s almost like the, cause the audience is like a dog, right?
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They, they, they sense fear, you know, 100%.
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Yeah.
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They re animals just like we are.
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We re all animals.
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That s right.
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And it s like, they know when, you know, and if you re comfortable, even if you re faking it, they ll go with you.
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You do a joke and you re confident.
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They ll laugh just because they think it s funny.
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They look around and everybody s like, oh, it must be funny, because he s just got confidence.
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And you had that confidence always, man.
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You were always insanely intense and just never looked back.
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Way to go, man.
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Way to go for you, too.
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You just always needed a hype man.
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You just need someone to let you go.
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Give him the green light.
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Give him the green light.
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It s so funny.
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You re right.
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You re right.
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Yeah, you just needed a hype man.
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You were the one who did it for me in Montreal, too.
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Yeah.
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Do you remember that?
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Going this way?
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By the way, do you remember the beer we would drink?
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There were two kinds of this beer.
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I can t remember this Canadian beer.
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I ve been racking my brain to think about it.
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It was like, there was like a gold version of it and like an amber.
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And it was just the greatest stuff.
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And we d get fired up up there and I loved it, man.
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I loved going to that Montreal Comedy Festival.
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Oh, it was the best.
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Back when it was, I think it s gone under.
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I think they did just announce they re going bankrupt.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, unfortunately.
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See, well, she d tell people what it was.
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So what it was during our time, when we were young, was the Montreal Comedy Festival was where young comedians would go up and you could kind of get a deal.
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And that s where you got the deal to do the King and Queens.
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Well, I got the deal to do NBC.
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Right.
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And then that turned in.
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Once that failed, that went into CBS.
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But once you get in, the thing about, people should know, in the 90s, there was this thing that was happening where everybody looked at a comedian like, this could be the next Roseanne, this could be the next Tim Allen, this could be the next Seinfeld.
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So every time they looked at you, they re like, what do you got?
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What do you got for me?
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And the agents would try to put it together as a sitcom.
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And they had this showcase called the Montreal Comedy Festival, the Just for Laughs Comedy Festival.
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The most insane thing you would go there and it would change your life You could have one set one 15-minute set and all the sudden you got a half a million dollars a hundred percent You have one thing one set that pops and people talking about there s a buzz.
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Yeah, and it s like you re in you re set And they have bidding wars.
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Yes So like CBS would be Fox would be they were all be good throwing in and you know, there s guys who walked do you remember chicken?
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Oh
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Chicken was the crazy guy.
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Yes.
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Yes chicken got the deal that killed the deal.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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He got like 800,000 or something with some crazy money or I don t know what I m nutty amount of money, but he had no act right it was after that they thought he was he just tricked everybody he did and I don t know how he did it and I wonder if he had a hype man if you could have kept tricking Pia
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Maybe he just went off the rails with anxiety when success starts, because that s one of the things that does happen.
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And I ve talked about it.
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I think everybody admits it.
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When it first starts happening, you think it s going to go away.
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You get super anxiety ridden.
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You feel like an imposter.
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And you d show up on the set, and you re like, are they kicking me out?
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I m still here?
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My bud, I m telling you, I ve
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I still deal with that.
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I m not even kidding.
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You obviously don t, and you haven t.
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I do, though.
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Do you really?
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Yeah, I do.
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I just ignore it.
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I tell it to shut the fuck up.
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Well, that s what you gotta do, I guess.
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And that s what I don t do enough, because I start thinking, and I start overthinking both sides.
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I m like, oh, gosh, what if this happens, or this, that?
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This means something.
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To this day.
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Yeah.
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Like, if I m doing, like, a theater, and it s my people, you know, and I know that they re coming to pay to see me,
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I I I m pretty confident.
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I feel like I m gonna do well, but if I do a club that they don t know me.
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Oh, yeah Yeah, like I did a a corporate gig like a month ago like in Miami and I was like, you know, I was like, oh boy because corporate gigs, you know, they can go either way and it s horrible
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Well, I get there it s in Miami Really good-looking people everybody.
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It s in a lobby of a hotel and I m good.
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I thought this was in the theater I m there and it s a good bet and I m now I m getting worried I m like I gotta do how much and they re like you got to do an hour and then I find out Nobody there wants to see me the woman who is the like CEO of this company Was it was her birthday and she liked me so she brought me in to for all her friends to see
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Dude, I m sitting in the lobby and I m finding all this information out as I m sitting there and I started I m not kidding I started I ve never had a panic attack.
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I start going What do you mean?
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She s nobody else knows I m here or this or that or they don t know they go No, no, no, they don t know, you know, this is a company and you know, and I m looking in the room.
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It s in the lobby I can see through like a little glass
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Window and they re drinking they re having they re talking a table.
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We re set up for comedy to just like round tables Booths like not even facing you and I m on I see a postage stamp of a stage that I got to stand on and I m like, oh my gosh, I start hyperventilating
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So I start going I I can t I can t do this.
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I m talking to Skylar my but my assistant buddy, you know, he s helping me out here And I m like, hey, just tell them we can t do it.
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What are you talking about?
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I go just tell him we re gonna give him the money back.
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We ll just not gonna do it We don t need to do this.
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I don t want to do it.
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It s not gonna go well I started really panicking and then they started going up.
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She s up on stage now Introducing me and I go.
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Oh my gosh, we re going.
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Oh my gosh
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So I start freaking out, heart is going like, exactly.
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I ve been doing comedy for 30 years.
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I ve been doing stand-up.
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I go, I don t need this.
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I m ready to call Sussy and go, I don t want to do this anymore.
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I don t want to do it.
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I get up there and go, I go, just get him with that first joke.
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If you do, you settle it.
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Because if you don t, you know if they don t buy you on that first joke, you re gone.
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You re gone for an hour.
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For an hour, you re gone.
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You know?
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Oh, gosh.
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And they re not even listening.
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And they re loud when they bring me up.
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And when I came up, it wasn t even like they all turned and went nuts.
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But I got them with, I don t know what I said.
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I just said one joke about the lady thanking me, you know, thanking for bringing me up.
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And I just won them over in one little sweet way.
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And they turned, and they clapped, and they laughed at one thing.
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And then I went into another joke very gingerly, just kind of going this, that.
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And they laughed at that.
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And I go, OK.
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I just settled in.
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I go, I got them.
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And they were great.
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They were great.
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They were really great.
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And I was sweating the whole time, really feeling the sweat.
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You know what I m saying?
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It was like, it was rough.
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But I just ran into Sandler when I missed you at the airport I ran into Sandler He was just telling me about the fucking worst corporate gig that he just asked you Yeah, I called him about he had the same thing.
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He had the same thing.
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So it s nice to see
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somebody like that has it too.
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Yeah, a guy like him can still eat dick.
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I talked to Billy Joel, and he says, literally, he was like, I ve gone through those.
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I m like, you?
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But when you re playing music, it s different, man.
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Yeah, but they ll throw that Saudi money at ya.
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He threw crazy money at him, and he did a corporate gig, or whatever it was, and he says they weren t even listening.
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They turned away, and it s like just you and the band, and you just go, let s go, boys, and they play.
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Dana White had a 40th birthday party, and Stone Temple Pilots played.
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And it was insane.
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These dudes played like it was a packed arena.
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Where?
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It was at a fucking conference room in a hotel somewhere.
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They didn t care.
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They didn t give a fuck.
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They had a beautiful stage set up.
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The stage was set up nice.
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But like, you know, all of a sudden they were like, hey, everybody.
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Stone Temple Pilots and then they fucking... I was so impressed by his ability to perform.
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I mean, it took a while for people to even filter to the dance floor in front of them and watch the show.
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This dude did it like there was 50,000 people out there.
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It was incredible.
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I mean, he didn t back off at all.
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He who cares less has more power.
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It s literally like, that s it.
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I m going around with a tray of, like, you guys think this is funny?
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He s like, I don t care.
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He didn t give a fuck.
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And everybody jumps in.
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Full commitment.
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You know, when someone just fully commits to something like that, it s very inspiring.
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And you ll never forget that.
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Because if you never see anybody fully commit, that s why.
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You never see great comics ever that exist where there s no other great comics.
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The best comic in the world never comes out of Tallahassee.
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Right.
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Out of nowhere, no scene.
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We all need to see other people do something special.
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And if you re lucky, you live in New York or you live in L.A.
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or now you live in Texas and you get to see these killers all the time.
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Yeah.
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And then you get a sense of it.
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So, you know, like where the watermark is.
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Right.
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Until you see a guy jump in front of a fucking 40th birthday party who s a platinum selling artist in this insane band that s iconic and perform like they re performing in front of him.
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He had the bullhorn and everything.
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It was incredible it was incredible the show was amazing Wow it was so good, but it was like that fucking guy worked for his money Like he he he doesn t he didn t have like I ll give him a seven tonight.
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I m gonna give him an eight every night Yeah, the air is playing.
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It s like guns blazing
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That s the way you gotta be, man.
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I gotta do it.
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You need a hype man.
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I need a hype man.
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You re two different guys.
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I am.
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You know me.
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You have no hype.
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You know me.
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If I m left to my own devices, I go into a little hole.
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I do.
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It s my whole life.
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Everything.
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Sports.
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Everything.
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But this is the thing.
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I m playing my first arena coming up, and I m freaking out.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve never done that before.
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SPEAKER_01
Are you doing it in the round?
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SPEAKER_01
No, that s the way to do it.
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You know why this is late for that.
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This is it s okay.
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You ll still have a great time.
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They re still great.
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The arenas are great.
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They re fun.
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It s a wild experience.
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But the round is the best because it s actually intimate in the strangest way.
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Because the Westbury music fair.
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Yeah, facing everybody.
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Yeah.
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So all the people see each other.
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And they re all in it together.
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I love that, I love that idea, but does the stage, does it turn?
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No, you walk around.
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I used to do the one, you know, the Westbury Music Fair.
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Oh, it spins for you.
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It would spin for you, and you wouldn t even know where the hell you are, and then you have to walk off.
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It s the awkward walk off.
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You don t know where the stairs are.
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You don t know where they are.
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It moved, and everybody shifted, and you don t know who you re looking at.
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You have to find some distinctive person in the audience that sits near the stage.
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That big guy is my marker right there.
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The one in Phoenix spins around too.
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What s that, the Celebrity Theater?
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Turn it on or off.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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That s a good one too.
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Because it s a comedy club, but it s in the round.
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It s like a 2000 seat comedy club in the round.
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That s what it s like.
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I would feel guilty.
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Half the crowd is looking, you know, I d be thinking now I got another thing to think about they ve seen my ass for the last 40 minutes I got to spend and do you set up a joke over here and deliver the punchline there or how do you break it up?
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Well, you have giant screens.
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So the thing about the arena is they have massive screens so if for some reason like, you know,
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We did these ones in Ohio and Chappelle came down and it was very interesting to watch because they didn t know he was supposed to be there.
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And it was my show and Tony didn t know whether he s going to bring Dave up or me because Dave hadn t gotten there yet.
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Oh wow.
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And so it s like Tony s on stage.
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And he s got like five minutes before he should go on stage, and all of a sudden Dave rolls up.
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Posse, fucking limos.
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Yeah, this is a guy who doesn t overthink things.
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He don t need the hype man.
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He just strolled in, and he just came to say hi, and he s always like, should I go up?
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I go, what do you mean, should you go up?
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I go, go up, let s go.
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He goes, when?
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I go, you ll be up in five minutes.
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He goes, well, let s have a drink.
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So we had a drink.
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And then we re sitting in the green room, and I go, dude, he s got about one minute to go.
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I go, I ll walk out there with you.
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Because he needs to know that it s not me, that he s bringing up Dave.
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So he starts bringing me up.
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This is one of my best friends, one of my favorite people.
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And then I m like flashing the light, and he sees Dave.
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And the crowd slowly starts to realize it s Dave when they see me and Dave walk to the stage.
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And by the time he says, Ohio zone, Dave Chappelle,
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It is one full minute of a standing ovation.
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One full minute.
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So he takes this victory lap around the stage for like one, I mean, a full minute, man.
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It was, I filmed it.
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I put it up on my Instagram.
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It s insane.
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It s inspiring.
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I mean, Tony, we re just looking at each other and looking around going, wow.
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It just felt special.
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It felt like special that you could be there.
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Like, wow.
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And then he goes, OH!
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And he puts the mic out.
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Oh no, and it s just even bigger.
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It was insane.
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It was insane.
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It was so fucking cool, because he s from Ohio.
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Right.
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You know, he lives in Yellow Springs, which is like right outside of Dayton.
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So it s like...
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For him to go there like that, but to be in the round.
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See, the round is everybody sees everybody.
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It s not just you facing this crowd, and then you re in the crowd, and they re there.
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In the round, it seems like everyone s all in this together.
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It s so much better.
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And the screens are giant, so you just walk around.
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But when Dave was facing that way, I d see his face on the screen.
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It s not bad.
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It s still awesome, because you re there.
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And everybody just kind of walks around.
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You just get used to walking around.
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Nobody really stands still and points in one direction in an arena in the round.
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That would be rude.
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Well, the screens help.
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I mean, that is true.
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Oh, it s massive.
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They re everywhere.
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They re giant.
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They re 50 feet wide.
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They re fucking everywhere.
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It makes it easy.
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It s an experience.
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I would love to be in there.
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I think I m in Denver, in Salt Lake City, where I m worried about this, my first arenas, and it s like, you re going to have fun.
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I don t know, man.
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It s going to be fun.
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It s going to be fun.
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This is Dave.
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Here it is.
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Listen to this.
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It s like a fight.
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Oh my god.
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I mean, you literally can t even hear him bring up Dave Chappelle.
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Look at this.
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Look at this.
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That s insane.
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No.
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No.
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It s like, that s the sickest thing I ve ever seen.
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It was amazing.
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It was like, I felt like we were seeing the Beatles.
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I felt like it was like Hendrix got on stage.
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Well done for you bringing him up before you, I mean that s insane.
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It was awesome.
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That s incredible.
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It was so fun.
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But that s the thing it s like, but I do that all the time, you know when I m at the club I ll have five six guys are going on in front of me.
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They re all headliners I m doing on stage an hour and a half into the show.
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I would again my theaters.
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I d be comfortable your club I would be afraid I d be afraid cuz you got such heavy hitters and I come up and I m talking about Observational stuff and it s like whoa
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It would get my head it would know there s got a lot of weird observational comedians kill there It s a fun place like Duncan kills there, and you know and we re it s all just it s all great It s all a bunch of different come, but for me It s like to have a I want the audience see like the best possible show they could see I
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So they re gonna see Ron White, they re gonna see Shane Gillis, and Tony Hinchcliffe, and Bryan Simpson.
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That s insane.
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And all these monsters that come into town.
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Like, in any given week, it s Chris DiStefano, or fucking Dave Smith, or... It s like, there s so many killers.
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How often during the week are you there, and how often, like, are guys working out their stuff there?
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Well, it s often seven nights a week.
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Seven nights a week.
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Seven nights a week.
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shows each night in each room except for Mondays and Sundays which are open mic nights so open mic night there s a show in the small rooms only one show but then there s at least one show in the main room that s regular show regular comedians.
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Wow that s incredible.
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Yeah and it s two shows a night in each room so four shows a night.
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How big are each room?
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One s 250 and one s about 110 to 120.
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Is there you feel a difference?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the little one s super intimate.
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The little one is like if you remember the belly room at the Comedy Store, it s like the belly room and the original room had a baby and that s the little one.
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Wow.
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It s like medium sized little and then the big room is like the original room and the main room at the Comedy Store had a baby.
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That s what it s like.
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And when you re trying out stuff, people going up there with like notepads and stuff like that?
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Yeah, yeah, Christina Positsky does it all the time.
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She goes up with a notepad.
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A lot of guys go up with notepads.
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Yeah, it s like if you got some new shit you re working on, Segura, he goes up with notepads if you have new shit.
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Right.
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Because you want to be able to remember.
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You don t want to fuck up the bit.
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And the audience kind of appreciates, like, oh, this is so new.
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They feel that it s- They have to look at it.
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Yeah, it s not polished.
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And then Bryan Simpson hosts this show called Bottom of the Barrel, and that s a really fun show, where you go up there and you have no material.
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and you just reach into this whiskey barrel, and there s a bunch of different premises that the audience members have written down.
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And you pull it out, you open it up.
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And you do a bit on that?
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Yeah, you just start talking shit.
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Yeah, but the audience knows that s what you re doing.
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So because they know what you re doing, it s really fun.
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They re not expecting polished material.
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Everybody knows what the show is.
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The show is fucking around.
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If I was to go there and do my act, I would pretend like I pulled that out of the whiskey bottle first, the barrel.
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Did you ever notice?
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Yeah, but you can like if you have a bit on a subject And you just tell them I actually have a bit on the subject and then you could do it all right You know and there s also like sometimes There s like there s the other night There s something that I ve been writing that I ve never done on stage before and just by sheer coincidence The same subject was something that I pulled out of the piece of paper.
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Are you kidding?
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Yeah, so I was like Oh robot fuck dolls right so which is like I
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I have a whole chunk on that.
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Now I m going to throw it away because you re working on it.
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I don t want to.
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But it was one of those moments where I was like, oh, like last night I spent two hours writing stuff on this.
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Right.
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So let s just run with it here.
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See what happens.
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Have you ever had a dip?
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Because they must go nuts when they see you, right?
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Yeah.
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And then, because back on Long Island, I ll work out at a little club like Governor s, you know, I don t know if you remember that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Governor s Levittown.
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Yeah.
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And I ll go out there and I m hometown boy and I go up there and they go nuts for like a minute or something, not like that, but like they go crazy.
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It s fun to see you.
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And then,
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within two minutes if I don t like they re ordering sausage and rolls and it s like they re they re they re they re talking and it s it s it s like putting weight on the bar yeah I m like whoa yeah well New York audiences too they just they don t have much patience for bullshit
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It s a good place to start comedy.
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New York and Boston, both good places to start comedy, because people don t have any patience for bullshit.
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Right.
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Yeah, we re happy to see you, but come with the jokes.
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Exactly.
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Let s go.
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Come on.
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I m here to laugh.
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Yeah.
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I do a lot of writing while I have a tour, like if I have a tour in the theaters, you know, where I ll try to, if I have a set, theme set, I ll try to add some stuff in there for the next one.
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Have you ever done that?
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Do you ever?
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Yeah, yeah, when you re doing a lot of shows.
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It s it s great Yeah, cuz you kind of get a sense of where you could stick stuff in and you always have a safety net of I can go here It s going nowhere.
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Yeah, that s my problem.
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That s what I do, too I ll write a huge chunk on something and won t know when to bail on it if it s not going like you know It s dependent on this thing.
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I gotta follow through with it now, and if you re not in they don t buy in right away I m like wow I got three more minutes of this stuff
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Oftentimes I ve realized it s because I didn t buy in right that s what it is mostly with me if I m entering a bit I Committed you want to be talking about this.
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I wish I shouldn t didn t bring this one up like if I ever get to that place Like you just have to fight off that thought there s this thought that comes in your mind like oh, how did I bring this up?
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I don t want to do this bit
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You can t but you can t say you know what fuck that bit.
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Yes, then the audience would be like what yes?
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Yeah, so you just have to never let yourself get to the mindset where you re like I don t want to do this you got to remember There was something whatever the subject is there was something about that subject that when you initially Started writing a joke about it.
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It was resonating with you, and you were like what the fuck is this right?
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Oh?
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But if you hear it too many times, it s like anything else.
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You get tired of it.
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It loses its luster.
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But that s just a mental weakness.
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You just have to realize, get your head wrapped around that you can t allow yourself to think that way.
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And surely this thought originally was valid because that s why you re so excited about it.
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That s why you wrote a bit about it.
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The audience doesn t know that you ve said it a hundred times over the last year or more.
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They just want to hear it right so they want to hear it from fresh eyes So you have to put yourself in fresh eyes, right?
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You have to be able to do that and that s the trick and it s not it s not like you re faking it either you have to actually Really be thinking about it like you think about it if you want it to work at the best You know like when a bit is really sharp.
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Yeah, you re on you have to be thinking about it as you re like
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Enthusiastic coming to you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we actually engaged right with each part of it while it s happening Well when I write a new bit and if I write a big chunk and it s too much I ll go up with too much stuff and I didn t rehearse it like his words are so efficient you d say one word or you re repeating a word it stumbles you up and then you re like, you know, and then it kind of blows it for this the part of the bit so it s like I got to work more it like really
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Rehearsing my bits, you know, just really getting through how I m gonna speak.
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I mean, you know, I stumble all the time Well, the problem is in you start thinking about it, right, you know and with new bits They re just not etched into your brain yet.
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So as you go up with them, you know, they re like little Bambi walking on ice Yeah, that s yeah, it s but that s what like small shows are good for that s what fucking around is good for right and
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And that s what also is like, that s when it s really important that you re inspired by whatever this idea is.
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If I m inspired by the idea, I can always talk about it.
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Like if there s a thing that I can get behind where I ll go, you explain this to me.
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And then if I m in that mindset, I can make it happen.
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But I just can never let myself not be interested in what I m talking about.
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Right.
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That s just that s a problem that people have and that I ve had.
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And it s it s just but you have to recognize that it s like throwing a toaster in a bathtub.
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Well, what I m trying to do now is because I used to write just separate jokes.
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Joke, joke, joke, joke here.
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And every time I would bring up a new subject, it was like the audience is starting from scratch again to try to catch up.
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And it s exhausting to try to understand.
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So if I try to put it in a story or like a theme to my set, at least they kind of know what s happening before.
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So they know, oh, you tend to do these type of things.
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And then you talk about something like that.
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They go with you.
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It s like you re not starting a you know.
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It s easy to what is it push a momentum exactly and That s been working better for me because I you know I saw everything was like just isolated bits of jokes that I would put you know And I go I just put them in anywhere put a lazy Connective tissue to it.
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You know and it would be like It would work you get to laugh, but it s like there s no you know yeah building
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That s why I always admired guys like Steven Wright, who do those non-sequiturs.
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I m like, how do you do that?
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And how do you write?
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God, that s gonna be so hard to write.
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Um, who s the guy, uh... Mitch Hedberg?
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Same thing.
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Yeah, same thing.
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Non-sequiturs.
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Amazing.
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And you were with him every... That s what made it even funnier.
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God, who does that now?
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Are there any non-sequitur guys that just go joke to... I guess Jimmy Carr s kind of non-sequitur.
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But some guys, they re just one bit to the next.
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One subject to the next.
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And with Mitch Hedberg, it was always super ridiculous.
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And Steven Wright, same thing.
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Everything was really ridiculous.
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And that became something that actually elevated it, right?
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They weren t storytellers.
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Right.
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Yeah, it was part of the fun.
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So out of it, yeah.
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Yeah, this guy was like... Out of nowhere.
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Somebody asked me, do I want a frozen banana?
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I said, no, but I want a regular banana later, so yes.
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He s the best.
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What a fucking great joke.
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He s the best.
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Oh, he was amazing, man.
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That was a guy, like, he just didn t want to kick heroin.
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Yeah.
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They were trying to get him to kick heroin.
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He s like, uh-uh, I like it.
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Is that what it was?
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He just he liked it.
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He just wasn t gonna kick it He it was hospitalized while we were on the man show and Doug Stanhope And he and and Mitch were very close and I you know, I admired him deeply as a comedian He said he was a great comic man.
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And that was when he was I think he was hospitalized with gangrene Yeah, cuz he was shooting it, you know, I
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allegedly it s um Heroin is a scary one because it seems to touch this part of people that makes them very Creative and very like it resonates with people like so much music.
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That s great.
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It s made on heroin But what a curse
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What a curse.
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When you watch someone who gets caught in the opiate web, it s so terrifying.
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It s so sad to see.
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And when you have someone who s just like this, I mean, imagine the kind of bits that Mitch Hedberg could have come up with over all these decades after that.
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What a talent.
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Yeah.
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And he was all non sequitur.
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It was all one bit leads into the next bit, double tree hotel.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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I love that humor, man.
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He was amazing.
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Yeah, he was.
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He was.
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It s just, you know,
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That guy had a hard time in the beginning because people didn t know what he was doing So he would go on after like these high-energy like music acts Yeah guys would sing songs and shit, and they d have like a dirty rap, and they bring it Yeah, and it d be different like that in death, and you re in the middle of Ohio right over and so they re not used to that and they want the song and they don t know who you are you re just a headliner and
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Oh, he s on Evening at the Improv?
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Okay.
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And then they go to see you.
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They really didn t know.
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They just said, oh, look, MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour.
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He must be good.
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And then they go to the local comedy club because it s a thing to do on a Friday night.
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But when they don t know you, like, that s one thing.
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that is, you know, made it a little bit easier is when people are coming to see you and they know you as opposed to, who s this next guy?
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And it s kind of like, just make me laugh.
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Way, way, way easier.
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But also comes with a trap.
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Because the laughing stuff that s not that good.
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Right like the we ve all seen guys who only perform for their crowds only like in big places like they only do theaters only do their crowds only like That act can get soft.
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Yeah, you can get soft and still work right because they re not being tested They re not performing with other comics all the time.
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I
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Well, you see a lot of these guys now that are developing an act because they did something on like Instagram or whatever they develop these audiences that you know, they get popular Yeah, and then they put together an act they go in the in the clubs are like, well, let s put this guy up, you know yeah, and They sell out like crazy because you know, they got a big following.
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Yeah, but it s not like working your stand up man It s a different
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Well, there s also a lot of guys who do crowd control Like they do crowd work stuff like it s like just fucking around with the crowd and that s most of these clips You ve seen a lot of guys who put up clips of cloud work because that way they don t have to crowd work because you don t Have to burn your material just talking to the crowd right talk to them.
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It s fine.
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I can go bad.
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I
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It can go bad, but if you do it enough and you get some funny moments, like Angel Schultz has a lot of great moments.
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He s really good at it.
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And you take those clips, and that way, you re putting shit up, but you re not burning any of your jokes.
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The problem is, some of those guys can only do that.
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Schultz is a great comic.
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Like, he could do great bits.
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I mean, he can do anything.
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But some of these guys are only good at talking to the audience.
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And then when they have to do, did you ever notice?
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Everybody s like, whoa.
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The audience can feel the shift when I go back to my own material.
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Yeah, you wrote this.
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Yeah, what is this?
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Yeah, you know you re you re better off responding like there s there s certain guys that like their thing is really just talking to the crowd and That s that s a different thing.
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It s a great thing.
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It s really great when someone s funny at it, but it s also a different thing than the actual jokes see I
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I fear that like I don t like doing that like so I ve built my act with the the Speed of it that it like no one has the chance to get in and ask a question or heckle or whatever You know you you build this shell around you so like it s just not enough time.
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You can t even get it in so if someone says something It s like you re off then you know exactly I don t want to have to depend on doing that going what and stopping and then trying to get back to the bit that you were you know doing
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Yeah, you don t need that.
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Some people like it.
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Some people like to interact with the crowd.
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It s also extra juice.
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The audience realizes it s happening live.
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This is crazy.
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And then if you have good one-liners in the moment.
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It s a great tool to have.
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I wish I could, you know, depend on what you talk to the crowd at all.
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I do.
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Occasionally you have to.
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And then at the comedy store you had to the comedy store you had to the comedy store for the longest time had zero crowd control.
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They do a good job now of policing the room.
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But back then there was it was comics that were the door people.
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It was comics that seeded people s the comics that took the the money at the cash register It s comics working there, and they re all like they didn t want to do that job So they were the worst bouncers right and nobody ever quieted the audience It was just you need to learn how to do it in the fire toughen up that way like you you build a
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You understand how to go with the flow.
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But some people don t do that and they did not like the Comedy Store for that reason.
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They just go up there and they like to have a slow pace and do their bits and build.
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That s me.
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That s more me.
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I was always afraid of the Comedy Store.
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It s just when you go up.
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Like if, you know, someone like Adam Egott is, who s brilliant at scheduling and really understands talent and where people go, you just want to put them in the right place.
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You don t want to put them after a music act.
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Right.
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You know, like that s the death.
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That is absolute death.
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The death is the guy who has the funny songs.
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Right.
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You re not following that.
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You just see the guitar in the back and the guy s- No!
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Tuning it up, and you re like oh, no when is he on and he s like he s on next then you re up, then you know No, the guy with the guitar always ruined the show They would kill and you couldn t follow him.
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Yep.
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Yeah musical acts raps anybody could do a rap remember red Johnny and the round guy Oh, yeah, those guys would do that rap.
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You re done.
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It was the show was over bitch see them go you I m getting in my car.
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I m leaving I ll see
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Know I m not there s no need for me to be here.
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It s crazy.
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How like a like a song or a Stick a funny song.
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It s just it tops everything.
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Yeah, who s that guy that used to be on dr. Demento?
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There was that guy that used to have dirty songs back in the day, and he was famous he would tour around with dirty song John Dalby yes
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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That guy.
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Remember that guy?
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Yes.
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Dr. Dirty.
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Dr. Dirty.
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Yeah.
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That s right.
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He would light up a room.
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He would light up a room.
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Yeah.
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You re not going on after him.
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No.
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It s over.
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And everybody knew who he was.
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And you would hear his songs on like Dr. Demento.
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Remember like Late Night on the radio?
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Yeah.
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You would hear his songs.
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Yeah.
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He would tour and do just dirty blow job songs.
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And everybody would go, rah.
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That guy had a business, man.
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Yeah.
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And I m going up there talking about puppies afterwards.
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Hey, you guys ever ...
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And you re searching like this guy s talking about getting a blowjob while you re taking a shit Yeah, it s he was just like but he had that following of people that would just come to see just those songs So they would hear the same songs over and over again, right loved it, right?
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Yes.
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That s another thing Yes, like dice had that like dice could always do the rhymes and the audience wanted to hear those rhymes What s in the bow bitch?
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You don t have to write as much.
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It s great, right?
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You can, you know.
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But you re going to get bored.
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Like, you know, you ever see that Kinnison song about the Beach Boys?
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Kinnison bit, Kinnison had a bit about the Beach Boys about like, you know, imagine them 35 years later singing the song.
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Same fucking song, like not wanting to be there anymore.
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Yeah.
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That it s just not the same experience.
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That s tough.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You want, you want to be able to do new stuff.
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The new stuff is scary, but it s fun.
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It s so exciting.
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I mean, I ve found like it s, I never really worked my act.
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Like when I started doing the show and getting involved with that, my stand up, the writing and all that, I would still go to like Vegas with Ray to do it on a weekend, but I wasn t working my stuff.
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I wasn t a comedian.
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You know what I m saying?
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Right.
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You know and I felt that you know you re delivering the same act year after year kind of changing here a little bit here and there and then you re going out and Doing it and it was like it was bothering me so much.
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I hated my act I couldn t stand doing it anymore and didn t have time to write that much so like a few years back I just stopped and said I love stand-up so much like I just want to start and Really get into it, and I tell you it s it s how much time did you take off of it?
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I wasn t really off.
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It was just, like, I would keep it going, but just doing shows.
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No writing.
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Like, I really wasn t writing for years.
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Just doing bits.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if something funny hit me, I would write it down, but not working it, not writing.
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It s so hard when you re doing a television show, you know?
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And when I was doing news radio, I fell into a real, like, a spot over a period at least a year where I wasn t writing at all.
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I didn t do any new jokes.
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I had the same tired-ass jokes.
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You were...
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I remember jumping in your Supra and, uh...
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Heading to the comedy store like you would go up a lot.
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You would still do things there No, yeah, but that maybe that was a different time.
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That was when I stopped out of it, okay?
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So there was a there was a there was a period when I first moved there in like 94 where?
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we were working like 16 hours a day and and
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I was tired all the time and I would just show up at the club and do my set and then go and I Was just doing it cuz I was still a comic.
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Yeah, I was like, you know, that s what I felt like I was doing I m ahead.
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I was always like they re gonna realize I m not an actor.
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I m gonna get fired This is this is the last TV show I ever work.
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I almost got fired from the first show I ever got on
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was on, where I was the star of the show.
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Hardball?
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Yeah, I almost got fired from that.
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I remember that one.
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Because I was getting in an argument with the producer.
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They hired some new producer, and he wrote these terrible lines.
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I was like, this is insane.
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This is so bad, it s insane.
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And they were going to fire me.
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You didn t stomach it, man.
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I was like this is great well the thing is the guys who wrote the original show were brilliant they wrote for married with children they wrote for the Simpsons right and Jeff Martin and Kevin Curren and when they had their show the pilot was their show like Jim Brewer was the mascot I remember that it was fun yeah
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Mike Starr from Goodfellas was in it.
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I mean, it was Bruce Greenwood, the guy that went on to be in the Star Trek movies.
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These guys have been in everything.
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He was in Hardball.
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I remember.
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I d go to your tapings, man.
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It was so much fun.
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They were going to fire me because I was like, this is terrible.
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So they hired a new producer.
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The new producer came in.
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And took over and turned it into like the sloppiest, most obvious, terrible sitcom.
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Like that prototypical sitcom where you watch and you go, ugh.
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You just gotta get out of the room.
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The jokes are so goddamn obvious.
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And they wound up firing him.
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But it was between me and him.
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And so it literally got down to this thing where my, you know, they re calling my agent saying this kid is ruining his career.
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And I was like, oh no, I m ruining my career.
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So I always thought that eventually they were going to figure out that I m not built for this.
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This is not my thing.
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And so when I would show up on the set of a news radio, it s like, it s like,
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At any moment in time, they re going to figure out that I m not supposed to be here.
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Only because you didn t want to, though.
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I thought you were funny as hell in that stuff.
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You just didn t like it.
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Insecure, didn t have any experience about actors, didn t know how to hang around with them.
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I was so used to comics.
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Right so for me.
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It was like fighters, and then comics right so just crazy people It s just only around crazy people so I was around normal people or people that were like really sensitive like really really sensitive Like sensitive on purpose like where they re trying to be offended by that sitcom people, and you know when I get into that exhausted
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That s hilarious.
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It was exhausting.
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And you d always hear about tyrants.
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You d always hear about, like, the Brett Butler s and the people that would scream and throw coffee in the face of the writers.
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News radio was that bad?
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Like, those guys were... Oh, there was none of that there.
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Right, that was cool.
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No, no, that was a party.
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The writers were great.
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It was a totally different kind of experience.
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Right.
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But, what was my point?
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My point was that... What was my point?
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You were saying that... I thought I was gonna get fired.
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Yeah, it wasn t for you.
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You thought they were gonna find you out.
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So I had to just do stand-up just to prove that I was still a comic because I remember at one point in time the producer Of news radio said to me.
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It was like why are you still doing stand-up?
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You re an actor now like oh?
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I was like oh, no.
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I gotta get out of here.
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I was like I was literally thinking like this is like a changing you it s a trap and then
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I had one really bad set one night in front of one of the producers and one of the writers.
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Fucking ate shit and went up at this door like late at night at like 1 a.m.
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in the main room and just had a terrible set.
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Just bombed.
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And then I really got to work after that.
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Then I realized like, oh, I ve been slacking off.
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That s what I felt, man.
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I ve been slacking off because I ve been working 16 hour days and I use it as an excuse to not write.
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And then from then on, like everything got way better.
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Way better my stand-up.
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I dialed it in much more.
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How do you write?
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How do you are you the guy sitting down?
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I mean I sit down in front of a computer and I just write I just I don t write like this is exactly how I m gonna say it I just like spill my thoughts out because I feel like it takes me a lot longer to
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Write the words that it does for me to think about things so the more time that I m actually just writing the words It s extra time thinking about the thing you speak into a computer you talk it.
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No I just type really yeah, I type and I just whatever the subject is I ll like there s just one subject that I m doing right now where I ve written it and
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written about the subject four times.
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So I start a whole new Microsoft Word file four times and just completely revisit it.
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Just one more time.
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What program are you using?
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Because I m nuts with that.
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Just Word.
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I just use Microsoft Word and I go into, there s focus mode.
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Have you seen Focus Mode?
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Yeah, it blocks everything else out.
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Yeah, I used to use Right Room.
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I ll still use Right Room.
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I did Scrivener.
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I use Scrivener.
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Yeah.
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But I ll find one thing about it, and then I ll go, I don t like this, that, it sets my bits up this way, or I can t do this, or I can t transfer that.
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And then I ll spend the whole day looking up for apps, for the perfect app, and I m not right.
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Yeah, you re distracting yourself.
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Of course, of course.
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Yeah, I try to avoid that.
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But Scrivener, what I do with Scrivener is I make each individual bit, once I have it kind of boiled down, then I put it in the columns.
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So the way Scrivener s set up, you know, whatever the subject is.
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I love Scrivener.
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The only thing it didn t do, it didn t transfer to my phone or the other, you know, like when I m at a gig and I want to look it up quick, you have to go to like a Dropbox, like that, you know, and it was like, it was annoying.
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I go, I can t, I need it right away.
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Yeah.
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That s where notes on iPhone is the best.
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The best.
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The problem with notes, you ready for this?
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I got them all.
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You can t
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Categorize you can t it either goes alphabetical so if you have your bits I like seeing my bits on the side where I go RK I m working on this and be able to move them anywhere you want you can t right because it ll fall into that that kind of screws me up
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That s true that you can t keep it in order.
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That s the only thing about and then I m off that one Then I m looking five more hours.
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I m looking for a right because if you have a folder in your notes And then you open up that folder and edit any one of those things any one of those Subjects it ll move to the top.
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Yes, because that s the newest one now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that s yeah, that s not that s that should be enough somebody should make a
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It s just for stand up for it for one of those things.
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I would love it I would most comics don t use them most comics just write things down like you ever seen Mark Norman stack No, it s crazy He s got a stack like a fucking like a phone book like that thick of index cards and napkins that he keeps in his pocket And he s so crazy like you try to read it you like it s literally like an insane person.
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Yeah, I
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Yeah, and there s no order to them.
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There s just stacks I mean he might how many how many did you have in his pocket 150?
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Easy.
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Way more than that.
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200 index cards in his pocket.
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How do you go... Here s what I m gonna do tonight.
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Card 167 to one... How do you do it?
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It s a window into the madness that is the brilliance of his comedy.
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It s just all... I remember Richard Lewis would throw out... I mean, like, there d be a piano up there, and he threw out, like, a scroll of, like, it was, like, just, you know, legal pads of paper and, like, crazy stuff all over.
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Set it all up, and it s like...
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He was not for that.
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Yeah, that was also a part of his thing, right?
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There s Norman s look at Norman stack Look at that look at that what yeah I can t believe you carry this around 90% get a bad back
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I m worried about his back.
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You can get a bad back from that.
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It s like sitting on a fat wallet.
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Exactly.
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Taxi drivers, if they have too much shit in their wallet, you ll have a little bit of a lean.
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You ll get a bulge in your back.
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I could never do it.
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I don t even know.
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I need to have it organized.
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Yeah, you were always an organized guy, like, even back in the day.
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I have to be.
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I admire that.
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I think that s a very important thing that some comics feel like they don t have to do.
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And you don t have to do it.
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Some of the greats don t write anything down.
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Don t get me wrong.
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But I feel like when I write, if I just physically write, there s jokes that I will get that I won t get if I don t physically write.
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And not a few of them, like a lot of them, like some of my best bits ever came from sitting down and writing.
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Do you find if you write the bit out physically write it out that you will remember it better, too?
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Or by hand yeah, if you write it by hand you remember better.
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That s proven so if I do an arena
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I got this from you, by the way.
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I got this from you.
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All right.
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Because I m not doing it anymore.
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No, no, no.
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I need to do it.
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No, this is what I got from you.
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Because I didn t have a rider, because I m lazy.
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So when I would go do theaters, they would just use Kevin James Rider.
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So when I would- Get at it.
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Because we had the same manager.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, so we had the same manager.
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I was like, what shit are we eating?
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Right.
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SPEAKER_00
Oh, did you see that?
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Yeah, it was like all normal stuff.
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And like whatever, like maybe I added whiskey to it, or whatever it was.
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But one thing you had was index cards.
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And Sharpies.
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I was like, oh, that s a great idea.
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So every time I do an arena now, I set up index cards, and I will get there an hour early and write out all my bits.
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Write out all the key points of the bits, all the things I want to talk about, and set that there.
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And then next bit, set that there.
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And so I have this coffee table, and I ve got all these things, index cards.
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Or something like that you don t want to do I m fine once I once I write it all out.
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I ve been doing it every night.
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I know every night It s like I just like to do that as an extra little detail just an extra little Just just really dotting all your eyes and crossing all your teeth, so I feel good when I die I don t know if it s I m losing my memory.
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You know whatever it is, but it s like I need a I need bullet points up there It s it.
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Let me get you some of this.
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Do you take any boy you tropics?
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Oh?
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Take nothing.
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Okay.
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This is what you re gonna get.
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I m gonna give you this just take this one and I ll get you some more I ll send you some more.
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That s alpha brain.
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That s uh, I m really feeling the black label alpha brain That is the the top of the food chain alpha brain the strongest one.
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Am I gonna see unicorns?
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No, no, no, no No, it s just it helps memory
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It s really good for memory and it s really good for focus.
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It s just it gives you like a little extra juice Mentally now if you re a moron, you re not gonna notice it like I try fucking shit bullshit Snake oil trust me as someone who makes a living using his brain There are certain things that you can take that are not bad for you that are just nutrients that enhance brain function You know another one is creatine
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Creatine s okay.
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SPEAKER_01
It s okay to do that?
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SPEAKER_00
Oh yeah, yeah.
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Creatine s very safe.
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Creatine s one of the safest supplements.
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What does that do though?
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It adds water to your body.
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Your body has more water.
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And that s one of the functions of it.
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And it s one of the reasons why it makes your muscles look bigger.
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It makes you stronger.
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It really does work as a fitness supplement.
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If you re training and lifting weights, creatine is one of the very best things you can take.
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Creatine, I would say beta alanine.
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That s another one.
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But I got it.
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I got to give you this thing that Weidman gave me these herbal pills Completely natural he gave me we were playing golf in I figure Atlanta or whatever it was with DC Cormier was there was just the three of us went out and I was you know I get up in the morning my back is killing me my everything my joints are hurting I
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Get to the course you know you re walking around hills up and down all day You know I m like I m gonna be so gone on this thing and why Ben says take a couple of these you know pills usually got these things are completely herbal and you know what is it it s Ashwagandha like it s I don t know but it s with the key with this stuff is I said well Why did you know because he gave it to me, and he says just do me a favor Mark right now where you feel how you feel how you join I feel horrible my knees are killing my ankle everything I feel everything my back you swing in a golf club.
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That s it s brutal
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So he goes and just take three and tell me how you feel in Like, you know in a few hours or whatever it was and I forgot about it and around the ninth hole But I swear I m around the turn.
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Um, it s a couple hours later I m going I feel amazing for somebody like all the joints, you know, like like the jiu-jitsu finger thing when you get your first come back and it s like that pain and
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I had all that joint pain, and it was gone.
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I was literally pummeling with DC.
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I m like, come on, let s go, man.
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I felt amazing.
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I go, it s the pills.
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I go, this is insane.
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I go, can you give me, and DC tried them too, and DC said, I haven t wrestled in a long time.
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He goes, he tried them.
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He goes, I love, like, I wanna, I know nothing.
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I go, I m trying to figure out if this is a placebo effect or what it was.
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He gave them to me again.
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Same thing, felt amazing.
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Does Weidman have those on his Instagram?
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Can we find out what that stuff is?
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I want to, literally, I don t go into business, but I want in on this thing, whatever it is.
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Really?
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Dude, I m going to give you, I have some.
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Try some.
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Yes, just try it.
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Just mark how you feel if you have any pain.
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Because if you go, ah, I felt nothing, it might be the case.
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But these things, I did it a few times, and they ran out of them.
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He couldn t get them, and then he got them again.
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Everybody he s given to him.
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How long before they make that illegal, whatever it is?
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I know.
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They just made BPC-157 illegal.
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I know.
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I m telling you, I m out of shape now.
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It is literally the only thing that gets me up, and I m like, whoa, I could work out.
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I could do it.
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Really?
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Again.
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I want to know what s in there.
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Yeah, I ll find out from him It s all natural stuff, but the thing about it is he s natural to you know.
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I don t know it s all coming from I know Everything s natural the key what they said in these things is like the guy throws out like because when you get even if you get ashwagandha the active ingredient in it
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Well, you know it like once it s got people sell it anyway, and it s like dust.
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It s like crap in there He doesn t use he throws out like 70% of the stuff He said and I was like, I don t know.
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I don t care what it is.
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I just want it I want to give it to my family because I want to feel better.
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You know, I m just an older guy feel you know, yeah, I m You got to help me with that work.
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I m telling you.
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I am literally right now.
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I feel like I am on the cusp of either
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you know, being that athletic guy, you know, go back into where, you know, I get in shape like crazy or I m wearing cardigan sweaters and literally, you know, grandpa.
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Well, just get a trainer.
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I can t.
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I m doing a documentary right now.
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Yeah, and I started it in January.
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I m assembling the best guys like I got Dolce s gonna help me out with this thing He s awesome.
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We already did one.
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We already did a documentary I did it on it was called cheat day where I thought you could work out like six days a week and just have one day to eat what you you want and just do it that way and
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And I had Dolce come in and be in it with me and work me out and do it.
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And he kept going, you re not gonna be able to do this.
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And I go, why?
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Because your one day is gonna destroy everything.
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He said, and I remember this, he goes, you can t outwork a bad diet.
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And he was right.
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It was like, I would crush it so hard.
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Like, people don t know what I can eat.
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You know what I m saying?
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When people go, oh, I m a foodie.
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It s like, you have no idea.
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how much I can crush food, and that one day would just destroy it for the rest.
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Yeah, the food thing is, you can t outrun a bad diet.
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You just can t.
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You can t.
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It s the best phrase, it s real.
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That s where it all comes from.
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It all comes from food, and we re all addicted to food.
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And it s the craziest thing if you re addicted to food, because you have to eat it.
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It s not like heroin.
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If you re addicted to heroin, like, oh, I ve got a heroin problem, and I m going to take a little bit of heroin.
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No, you re going to go full bore again.
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You re going to be fucked.
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It s one of the very few things where you re addicted to it, and you ve got to not be addicted to it anymore, but yet you still need to eat it.
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Well, all right, that s crazy.
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That s a crazy conundrum and most people s minds can t really process that that s right and I can t I just I Can t cuz he he ll you die.
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He s given me the diets Dolce, you know, just do this this and this and this, you know, it s formula It s very simple I mean by the way, does every who it needs some another grown man to tell you what to eat, you know by right, you know Seriously, you know
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It s anything we re working out.
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You don t know move your body.
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Whatever it is.
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Do you know what to do?
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you may not know the intricate stuff of like split squats and this and that work this thing, but General health, you know what?
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I got to move my body more eat better foods less processed.
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We know it.
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Yeah, but yet man I can t that s what this documentary I m doing about it s like Why I have access to the greatest guys.
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Why can t I still do it?
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It s like
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And part of it is, I need the Goggins, you know.
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Yeah, you need a hype man.
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You do.
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You need someone around you who s also doing it.
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Well, that s it.
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It s community.
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I don t have that.
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It s like, when I m with Dolce, if we re on a movie together, he s got me in shape.
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He s giving me the meals.
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When I m my own captain, I m homeboy.
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I m gone.
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I m just gone.
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You know, one thing that you can try,
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that I guarantee will help you lose weight is the carnivore diet.
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Because if you do it, the one thing that you re gonna not eat is any carbohydrates.
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You re only going to eat meat.
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And if you cut out all bread, all pasta, all sugar, all bullshit, I m not saying this is a great diet.
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I m not saying this is the way to live.
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I m saying this is the best way for me to eat.
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I ve done every other kind of diet.
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This one works the best for me.
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And it s the one that keeps me lean.
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Because when you re eating just protein, your body hits a satiety level.
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If you re just eating steak, just steak.
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your body will hit a level, and you go, this is all I need.
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And then you won t want to eat more.
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But if I m in that same mind space, and there s a steak there, but it s next to mashed potatoes with gravy, a bowl of pasta, ice cream, then I m going to keep going.
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And I m going to get another 7,000 calories.
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I m going to keep going.
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But if I just eat the steak, then my body starts processing ketones.
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I start, instead of using carbohydrates, I m only eating protein.
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and fats, your body goes into a ketogenic state, you think better, it gives you an extra gear with thinking.
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The ketogenic thing is, I mean, that for me has worked.
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It s, because Dulce will hate me for saying, like, he s like, you know, when they say blueberry, you know, carbs, he s like, carbs are fine for you, like the right carbs.
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There s nothing wrong with carbs.
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It s a fuel for your body.
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But what I m saying is if you re trying to lose weight, one of the best ways to regulate your appetite is a carnivore diet.
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Because you don t overeat with it, but I think it s deeper than that for me.
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I think it s mental I think it s like anything will work.
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I fasted that way you know I ve done everything you know it all works for a while, but why am I this size now?
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You know I m you know every time.
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I m like you know just recently I started stop
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Comparing myself to other people and trying to like just say get better than yourself yesterday literally that that concept for me works It s like when I m in there because he ll give me workouts Dolce to do too, and I can t do I don t do them I can t do the reps four sets of 16 that I get so bored by myself like I start doing my own stuff I ll do eclectic stuff great stuff on a treadmill all movement stuff like I love it just throwing punches doing things but I walk around and
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And then there s no way to measure it, though, because the next day I m not doing that.
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So it s like I m the guy who walks up to the bag, hits the bag a couple of times, then walks, oh, look at this thing.
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I have every piece of equipment in my gym.
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I do.
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If you saw my gym.
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You go the rock live here, you know, it s like literally it s like they see me and they re like, what are you doing?
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It s like I buy everything cuz I buy into it.
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I m like right because it s a little piece of hope Yeah, that s what it is.
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Right, right.
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It treadmills a little piece.
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It s a hope a new thing It like I got the Jacobs ladder.
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I go.
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Oh, it s great.
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It s jujitsu.
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You re grabbing.
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This is great functional Yeah, it s collecting dust as well
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It really I because I don t use it so I need something That s what this thing is what can get me because I am like most people I m telling you it you don t need a lot of stuff, but you need something to engage yourself every day There s got to be a bridge between what the Goggins the way and people who do nothing like yeah, you got to get that
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Like you I I saw you were doing this with the other comedians which I love you know it s like where you go I just want him to walk or just get him down there get that is so important man because it s like if you can get Into that groove you do feel better like that s what blows my mind I ve gotten in shape a couple times, and I m like I don t need to eat any more crap I don t I love the working.
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I love the way I feel and then it slides right back.
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What happens I?
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Well, it s and it s one of the things about you that makes you really funny is you re indulgent You re just what you re a wild dude is like trying to stay buttoned up It s like part of what s really funny about you right and that indulgence it Goes into other things and for you.
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It s food right.
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You know luckily.
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It s not gambling or something really crazy, right?
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You know I don t I quit things to like like I feel like I have the same Almost intensity that you have but I m not a finisher like I don t
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We get really into things that we started jiu-jitsu Did we start at the same time?
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Yeah?
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Beverly Hills jiu-jitsu, right?
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Yeah, you were the one brought me down there.
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Yeah I m a blue belt
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And barely 30 you know saying it s like cuz I start stop.
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I don t you know I m gonna say and that s in my head I m like if I would have done what Joe did man look where I could have been and I you know I m trying to you know why and now I start comparing are you can do it now you do that and I if if I play that game I m done cuz I can never catch up to yeah other people a lot of it s like learn behavior patterns you just have you get stuck in and
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And if you re unlucky, you can get a bad behavior pattern or constantly quitting things, right?
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But if you re lucky you could look I got very lucky that when I was 15, I got obsessed with martial arts, right?
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Because that was the first thing I ever did in my life where I didn t think I was a loser anymore.
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I was like, I realized that if you work really hard at something and you re completely obsessed with something,
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It could transform your life.
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So my my life from the time I was 15 to the time I was 18.
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I was a different human from 14 15.
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I was insecure.
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I get bad social anxiety.
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We moved around a lot.
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I get picked on a lot.
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And I went from that to
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Being completely confident and being just a different human being I was fighting all the time It wasn t like to me the the fear of like conflict was pretty much gone Because I was just engaging in conflict all over the country.
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I was fighting
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flying around my whole high school all my time.
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So I got in my head that the way to feel better and to get life to improve is to just fucking dig in and keep going and don t ever quit.
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Don t fucking quit.
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That s so great.
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But I got lucky that that s something that I fell into when I was 15.
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I often think about, you know, there was one day, dude, one day when I was coming home from a baseball game.
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I walked up the stairs We re getting ready to ride the T which is like the Boston subway and we re getting ready to ride the T But the line after the baseball game was like really long.
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There s so many people that were on the T So we just for a goof walked up the stairs to see this Taekwondo school and as we re walking up the stairs this guy John Lee who was a national champion at the time is preparing for the World Cup and
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And he was like 28 years old, he was in his prime.
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And he was kicking this bag.
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And as I was going up the stairs, I was hearing, whomp!
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And then the sound of a chain, like, cha-ching!
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Whomp, cha-ching!
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And I went up and watched this guy kick the bag, and I was like, what the fuck is that?
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It s like Tang Po and kickboxing.
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He s kicking the pole?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I was just, I was like,
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I want to learn how to do that.
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And I was there the next day.
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I signed up.
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I had enough money to pay for the class.
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I signed up, and I was there every day from then on.
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I was there every day.
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I mean, every day.
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I worked out every day of the week.
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I worked out Sunday.
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I worked out every day.
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I never took time off.
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I was there for hours every day.
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I d just eat food, go there, and I d be starving by the time I left, and then head home and go back again.
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You re blessed, brother, because you have something.
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most people don t have that they don t have that like you have everybody who has the intensity in the beginning when they see something like I want to do this I want to say I do like everything I get all pumped up I m like this is it this is all I want to do and then
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It s like you don t want to suffer.
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You don t want to put the you know the work.
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That s the difference between we we both love jiu-jitsu well To love something you gotta you you gotta know it you have to know it right you can t love something you don t know well I love it, but you know what I don t love
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Obviously, I don t love the mornings getting the geek hold Guillaume, you know There s things about getting in with a you know, I m saying getting on the mats.
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They re sweaty They ve been there since like five o clock in the morning.
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I got to travel to do it.
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It s gonna hurt These guys are coming after me, you know, it s like, you know, you re in there and it s I m nervous and my way so I stopped like I I get back into it, you know, I ll let it go for a while you do you go through that and you become
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You know you overcome those little things, and it s like that s how you grow It s like I get right up to the edge of it And I m like I I just so I don t love it as much as you it s like you have to you have to You commit you have to suffer you have to suck you know that that s the only way you re going To show your love for anything is you get you got to suffer for it.
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There s got to be that you ve overcome that otherwise
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You don t you you died, you know, you could you have to pee everybody has two people inside of them.
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Mm-hmm Everybody has the person inside of them that wants to go to sleep, right?
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The person inside of them that wants to quit that guy s winning by the way That s the guy who s you see before you right now and the other guy that s like no This is what you need to do The problem is with a lot of people that other guy that s like no, that s what you need to do That person s really timid
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And that person, they just, well maybe it d be better if we just went for a run.
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Like shut the fuck up, I m gonna eat chips.
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And that timid version of you is what you need to cultivate into being like the boss.
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That s the boss.
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So I have a boss.
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My boss is that voice.
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I let that voice win every time.
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I love it.
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That voice says shut the fuck up and get in the cold water, pussy.
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That s dying to yourself man.
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That s literally saying I m not gonna go where I m comfortable.
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I m gonna I d much rather do this I m sure you you know much rather do something than jump in a cold plunge every yeah Get a cup of coffee and go hang out and talk you know You do that and that s something I need to do more and more like like we all do it s like it s the only way you re gonna
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Embrace it and get better at things.
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I m trying literally with flying like I said I drive everywhere these gigs and it was getting so much that I m like I m afraid of flying but I m like I gotta just die to myself just do this have faith you re gonna be fine just do it and each time you do it you re like all right we did it yeah and you have a bad fight you re like I m not doing that yeah you know but it s like you know it s you just gotta give the boss some strength
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Yes, yeah, and the boss the boss has to win a bunch of battles and when the boss wins a bunch of battles And he wins them every day then eventually the boss becomes a louder voice And then you get to get it to the point where the the boss Gets to tell you what to do and you don t deviate and even though you have all those feelings Every time I lift the lid on the cold plunge.
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I m like let s not do this and
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Every time and but the boss is like shut the fuck up the boss gets mad if those voices pop up so like I ll make you do an extra minute bitch right get the fuck in there I love it, and you know there s two pieces of advice.
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I always give comics or just young men in general Aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you re trying to get laid
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Just be that person.
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Instead of pretending to be that person, become that person.
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Become a person that you would admire.
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It s possible to do.
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If you can pretend to be that person, you can actually be that person.
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Aspire to be that person.
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And then the second one is, live your life like a documentary crew is following you around.
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Live your life like as if you wanted the whole world to go, wow, that guy s really killing it.
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I love the way that guy handles things.
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You re not gonna you re gonna fail.
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You re gonna fuck up.
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You re gonna be you re a human Everyone s gonna fall into like a little loser.
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I am Just go back with the same ethic get back into it with the same mindset Live your life like a documentary cruise following you around everywhere.
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How would you want to be seen?
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We ll be that person actually be that person come that person you can become that person
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That s funny.
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We re doing that now.
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And it s like, we started in January and I ve, I don t know, I think I might ve went up four pounds.
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I don t even know.
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It s like, you know, cause I ve go down and then it s like, but you re right.
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You re right.
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And we want to, I m going to show it all, you know, because that s what it is.
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It s the struggle.
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It s the process.
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Dude, you just need a hype man.
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If we were neighbors.
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Oh, but by the way, I love Austin.
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I m coming here.
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I want, I would be here every day.
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Fucking move here.
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Move here.
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The club s always available.
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You ll have fun.
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Great place to work out.
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Come here to my gym.
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We can work out together.
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Come on, we got a beautiful gym here.
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Dude, I think I m just going to rip my kids out of school.
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We re going.
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Let s just do it.
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It s great here, man.
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It really is great here.
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The people are so friendly.
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You got the the way they treat like freedom here is a like a religion Freedom is a different thing in Texas.
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They they are not interested in controlling your you know What you buy and where you go and what you do on your land you can own a zebra.
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They don t give a fuck There s more wild tigers or there s more tigers actual tigers in captivity in private collections in Texas than there are of all of the wild of the world and
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That s insane.
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Well, you just sold me.
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People who have tigers.
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I need zebras and tigers.
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I drove by a place the other day that had giraffes.
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People have giraffes.
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That s incredible.
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You can have whatever the fuck you want.
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If it s your land, they just leave you alone.
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They re like, this is your land.
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You do whatever you want.
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You know?
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And they love it.
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And the comedy here, they love it.
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It s booming.
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It s fun.
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I got my beard trimmed at a place just yesterday, and they were talking about the mothership.
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Like, they go, and it s great.
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It s a whole different vibe here, and everybody s great.
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And I m like, really?
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And he was like, oh, yeah.
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Well, this is the first time in our lives where a scene emerged.
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There was kind of a little bit of a scene here in Austin.
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There was a few clubs, a few comics.
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Some good comics came out of Austin, for sure.
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Mm-hmm, but there was no real scene where a bunch of assassins lived in town and now there s like Shane Gillis lives here Duncan Trussell lives here Tom Segura lives here Christina Pazitzky lives here Tony Hinchcliffe lives here David Lucas lives here.
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It s like holy shit Brian Simpson lives here Tim Dillon lives here.
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He s got a house.
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He s got multiple houses.
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He lives everywhere and
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But there s so many killers here.
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It s just every night you go to that club and it s just packed with great comedy.
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You know what it is?
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I m telling you.
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It s community.
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Yeah.
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I don t have that.
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Like when I m, I have it in, you know, little bursts when I m with people on a movie set or whatever it is, but it s like, I don t have that in my everyday life.
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I need that.
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I think, I really think that s a big thing.
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I really, cause I need,
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The hype man I need but I need you know to be in that group where you just start doing it.
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I did one one Training camp with Wyman and those guys.
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You know what earlier on and with Aljo and and these guys and you know I Just jumped in with them, and it s like I was with them for a few weeks three weeks You know and then I had to go out, but it was like
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You develop this brotherhood.
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Yes.
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It was so much fun.
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It was, you know, going through everything, you re eating together, you re running sprints together.
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And I was like, whoa, this is really, really cool.
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That s one of the great things about fight teams, especially like Cerro Longo.
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It s like those guys are so tight.
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They re all friends.
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Always.
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Such a tight group.
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And they ve got so many killers there too.
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Oh my gosh.
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Aljo, Marab.
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Marab, this is the funniest thing ever.
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I came my first day.
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the camp whatever and they were sparring in the Octagon and I had my headgear on and Everybody s pairing off with everybody, you know, they re just in Wybin goes, you know what in Longo setting it up Just you guys go with you guys everybody and switch it around this net and I was like worried Chris I don t want to go in with you know, he s getting that getting mix it up and I m going I m not even a fighter I m I can t do this, you know, whatever I got in there and
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Everybody else Aljo knows me you know you know these guys know me Marab thinks I m a fat old fighter like he thinks he doesn t know any I get the headgear on he doesn t recognize me as an actor and He starts going he starts dancing around.
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I m going whoa.
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I know right away.
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He doesn t he doesn t know I m not you know I m an outside guy.
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He thinks I m a guy in the camp
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And he just starts going crazy.
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And I go, oh my God.
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And I m punching.
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And this guy s moving around like crazy on me.
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And I m like, I m looking for wide man.
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And it was, it was amazing.
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He was the sweetest guy ever, but I got lit up by him in Tuesday.
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I go, I d take it off.
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I go, I m an actor, man.
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That guy does not get tired.
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Nothing.
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He s wild to watch.
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He see him with Henry Cejudo.
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He s got Henry Cejudo picked up over his shoulders and he s talking and he walks him over towards Mark Zuckerberg.
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It s Henry Sohuto!
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That s an Olympic gold medalist!
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And you re carrying him around like he s a kid in a schoolyard who fucked up.
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It s a different...
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Oh, man, he s an animal.
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Merab is an animal.
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And the sweetest guy.
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The best.
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Yeah, he was really cool.
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The best.
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I love that dude.
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And everybody loves him.
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The response he gets from the audience, people love him.
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His last speech was so ridiculous.
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When he wins, he just gets so fired up.
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He s amazing.
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They fucking love Merab, man.
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Look at that.
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Look at him.
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That s Henry Cejudo, dude.
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That is crazy.
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You have to understand how crazy it is that he s carrying around that guy on his back.
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With a smile.
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Two division UFC champion, he won the flyweight medal, the flyweight belt, and he won the bantamweight belt, and Marab is literally toying with him.
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He s smiling and carrying him.
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I mean, that is so wild to see.
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That was one of the most shocking things.
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I mean, I ve seen a lot of shocking things, people getting knocked out.
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I ve seen a lot of things, but to see someone treat Henry Cejudo like that, carry him around like that, laughing with a smile on his face, it was like, oh!
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Now I can say I sparred with that guy.
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There you go.
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But yeah that camaraderie we needed as comics like that s why we opened up the club We open up the club because we realized that one of the functions that the comedy store had for all of us It was home base Yeah We had a home base And it was a great old club with this amazing history and we were proud to be a part of it And so we d all get together and we were proud we were comedy store comics.
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It was fun You go out on the road you come back home.
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Yeah, we re back at the family and
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Yeah, and some of the best shows that we would have all year would be like Tuesday night, Wednesday night shows at the store.
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We d go there and it was just so fun.
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And everybody s just so happy to be around each other, other comedians, just have fun and talk about jokes and talk about stand up.
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And then when we came out here, I was like, well, there s no home base.
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There s no home base.
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We did the Vulcan, but it s not set up good for a green room.
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I was like, we need a real home base.
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And then I started looking.
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I started looking right away.
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And the first place I bought was a cult theater.
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It was owned by a cult.
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That fell apart.
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And then we got this opportunity to get that place on 6th Street.
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And I was like, all right, this is it.
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And then we just started building.
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And it s better than I ever could have hoped.
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It s a real community now.
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You go into that green room, and there s like fucking 20 dudes in there just talking.
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laughing, having fun.
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Soder s there and Lewis is there.
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It s like people from the road, guys from New York, guys from LA, people are coming in and out of town every week.
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It s fun, man.
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I miss that, man, because I have it when Sandler goes on tour and he ll bring me out and I go with him and it s just so much fun.
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It s so much fun, man.
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That s what we re missing.
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You know if you re the guy who just does the theaters and you know you re with your family all week And then you have your opening act you on the road.
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It s not the same experience.
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It s not I ve been that for years That s the guy yeah, you know I miss it man.
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I Really do I got you
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Once I take this it s a good place to live Alpha brain man, it s gonna change everything.
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I want to take those widening pills, but do we find out what the fuck they are?
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I m gonna bring them into you.
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I have some just try them and be I m gonna try them right away.
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I can t wait to try them in my mind I ve already tried it
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It had me wrestling D.C.
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That s ridiculous.
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Wrestling D.C.
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and playing golf.
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That was the fun of it.
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I go in to pummel him, just messing around while he s holding a golf club, and you just feel, you re like, oh my gosh.
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He s a bear.
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Oh my gosh.
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The two-division champion man you get you almost like you re playing with him, but you get scared Oh, it was like I was with with boss when you would you introduce me?
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Yeah, you got me the boss when I met boss I remember I first had it was just the king of Queens started and I was like we could have this guy come and train us this guy that we used to watch you know yeah, what was it on?
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Pancrase yeah, and he had the high boots and stuff like that.
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Yeah, and then I was like whoa man We can get this guy to the you know to our dressing room and we can work out with him We I had a little space on the set where you know we would train And I brought him in that first day, and he couldn t even speak English.
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It was me and rock you know and I think my brother was there and They were talking to him and trying to keep the conversation going you know like that He s just sitting here.
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He s like he doesn t even know what s going on really just looking at me, and then those guys left the room and
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And I felt like I was in the room with, like, a leopard.
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You know, like, where you go, where your feet... As long as you re feeding it conversations of, it s okay, keeps eating it, and then it looks at you again?
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He was just looking at me, and I ran out of conversation.
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I ran out of conversation.
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I m like, all right, so, uh...
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And he s just looking at me.
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I m like, this is a different human in front of me, you know, especially back then.
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Oh gosh, things could go bad.
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Yeah, Boston s a scary dude.
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It s fighting days.
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He was the first guy that the UFC hired that I got excited about, because he was a guy that I knew who he was, because I had seen him fight in Pancrase.
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And he was one of the very first high level strikers that made it into MMA, that Dutch kickboxing style.
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Oh yeah, in pancreas, you d have to hit with the palms.
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And Boss figured out that instead of bitch slapping people, you just spear them with your palm like a punch.
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Spear them?
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And he would say he would hit this part of the wrist, he would say, as opposed to even the palm.
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He d hit the bone.
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His bone.
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And he would just work the bag.
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Yeah, he d work the bag with his palms.
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To develop that power and he had this crazy ability to pull his hand back Like his hand like my hand doesn t really go much back further than that But boss s hand goes way back like this boys gets freaky long fingers hands weird is a weird He s a real freak every injury.
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I have
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to this day, from turf tournament, came from him.
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He s the greatest guy in the world, by the way, once we got to know each other.
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Oh, he s awesome.
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He s one of my best friends.
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And we threw mats in my garage in Sino, I remember, and he would come over and train me.
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And we would start on our knees and stuff like that.
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And I remember one time, we would just start on our knees, and we were locked up.
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And I remember I out-muscled him, and I pulled him to the side.
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And then two seconds later, he reversed me.
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And I was like, whoa, but I got him right there.
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That was pretty sick.
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The next go we had it he pushed he goes you don t have any like he he rolled me back And I heard a pop, and I thought it was my knee, but it was my toe my big toe Oh, no toe for still here still really yeah, yeah, never got rid of it, so is it these pills help
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These pills help that.
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These pills are everything.
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I m telling you.
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These pills should be at the back of a wagon.
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Dude, I m ... This is for everything.
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I got to find a way to ... Diarrhea, gonorrhea.
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I just want to make sure.
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Because you, nobody s ... You re going to be like, dude, they do nothing, which I love that.
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I bet they do something.
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I guarantee if you re having that kind of experience with them, they do something.
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I just wish I knew what they were.
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Well, I ll find it out for you.
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I don t want to do it now when we don t have it Why don t you go grab them go grab them and bring them in here?
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I want to know what they are.
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Otherwise, we ll be Look at it.
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Nobody are yeah.
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Well, is it just a pill by themselves?
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It s a pill by themselves.
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Oh, it s no bottle.
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No, no No, no, it s not sketchy.
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It s I promise you it s not sketchy No, no, because it was a cup.
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I m telling you we will figure it out.
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Just you you re gonna love this stuff No, I think you will
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You and I will sit down with this stuff with why man and we ll look at it I m telling you we re gonna save the world with this stuff It s an if an old man is telling you this I am you know, yeah, I m telling you it s the one thing It s like we re both old now and that wild remember your kids never thought you re gonna be an old man How am I gonna be an old man?
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How s that possible?
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I m a young guy.
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I m always a young still exactly it also you never got beaten down by life and
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Because you have a great job right if you if you have a job that sucks you can get beaten down by life Oh, yeah, if you have a job like we have we enjoy our job It s like a thing it is what we do for work, but it s also what we enjoy right and it is work, but it s fun It s great.
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There s nothing you know the stresses the stress and work is different.
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Yeah, I
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But they say you re only as happy as your least happy kid, right?
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I mean, that s all that s true That s so it s like when you got that going on it always bounces that out We like man the greatest life here ever and then it s like oh my gosh.
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I got to deal with this Yeah, and you know it s not easy for kids no like especially today with social media and the just the weirdness of the world and and
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I mean, if you re a fucking kid today, you re a 15-year-old kid and you re in high school, and you see what the president is, you re like, what?
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That s the guy running the world?
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What is happening?
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How crazy is this?
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And then you ve just gone through COVID, so everyone s confused.
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What happened?
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Why was I locked up for two years?
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What happened?
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Now here you are about to make it out there in the world, and you re on social media all the time.
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It s a tough ride for kids today.
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It is a very, very, very tough ride with new challenges that we never had to experience.
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Dude, my oldest daughter is on the spectrum, and so we started seeing...
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you know, this anxiety, this disconnection, and it was... She developed, you know, these tics, you know, I mean, like, really bad, where she started, like, hitting herself, you know, like, uncontrollable.
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She s a big, strong girl, you know.
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She was about, I think, 16, 15 at the time.
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And, you know, I remember, I mean, it was so scary for me.
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that I had to lay on her at night and hold her down.
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And I, you know, I m pretty sure she was hitting so hard and she s apologizing.
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She s like, I m sorry that, you know, like I m like, what are you kidding me?
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It was just, it broke my heart.
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So we brought her to the hospital.
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We went to the hospital to find out what, we didn t even know what this was.
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And, you know, where it was coming from.
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So they got her to calm down and she was still ticking and stuff.
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And I talked to the neurologist, is that what it is?
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I guess, I don t know, the doctor, you know, and I go, what is this?
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What can we do?
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And he said, he basically said, she s developed these ticks.
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It s like, you know, this is something you re just gonna have to learn.
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to deal with, you know, you re gonna have a child like this and you have to prepare yourself that you and your wife are gonna have to, you know, deal with this for the rest of your life this way.
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And I was like, there s gotta be a different way.
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He s like, there s no way of really, we don t know, you know, and I just, I went, oh man, it crushed me.
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So it was like me and my wife were like, what do we do?
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And my wife read this book, she was just doing all this crazy research, and she found this book, Disconnected Kids, and it was by Dr. Robert Melillo.
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So, you know, I got involved with him, I called him, and he literally took my daughter.
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He goes, I know what this is.
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He goes, it s okay.
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He says I can work with her and we were just out of like we were lost.
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We didn t know what to do I mean, I mean, I mean violent, you know, it was like whoo So we took it to this doctor and within two weeks no drugs anything two weeks Ticks were gone and he said they re gonna still be there.
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They re gonna come up every once in a while, but he fixed her man
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And I m like, whoa, it blew my mind, man.
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It s like, so I was like, I just want to give other parents hope.
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And I knew another guy who had a daughter who s severely autistic.
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And, you know, she was nonverbal and, you know, violent too.
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And he said, he goes, I will, and he worked with them and she s getting so much better and now and speaking.
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And it s an amazing thing this guy does.
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He s great.
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How is he doing it?
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What is he doing?
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I don t know at all.
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You know, he works with the brainwaves and again, not a doctor, but there s no, you know, medication in there involved, which was very important because that s what they were recommending to the hospital, just put her on some medication.
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And turn her into a zombie.
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Exactly.
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I can t do that.
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And she s so much better.
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She still has the tics every once in a while, you know, but she s great.
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She s connected.
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He gets her connected.
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He does all these, like, brain things, and he works with the, you know, and how it all ties into the motor, you know, whatever that is.
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It s so fascinating.
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It is, and he s another guy who s like, I really... Is this it?
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I ve been told, via your assistant, this is what it is.
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Okay.
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There s no name for it, apparently.
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No name for it?
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Yeah.
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What do you mean there s no name?
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What do you mean there s no name?
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Okay, so it has ashwagandha, shatavari, kavach seed, fenugreek seed, papali, gwaduchi, shijalit, oh, shilajit.
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Shilajit, I ve heard of that stuff before.
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I ve heard of Shilajit.
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Gokshura and Santhi, oh boy.
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Boy, that s a mouthful, isn t it?
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I think this, it s not that the ingredients are that unique, I think it s the fact that the way they do it is, I don t know, that he says he doesn t use anything that s been, he throws out a majority of it, which is, that s why it s hard to come by.
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And it s like active ingredients for everything used.
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They could sell you all this stuff, but if you don t get it from the right place, you know, it s just not gonna do anything.
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Whatever it is, I give it to you.
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Really?
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Okay.
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I m interested.
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I ve never tried ashwagandha.
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Here s something that has the same ingredients.
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I m not saying this is it.
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This just has the same ingredients.
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Influx 650 herbal supplement.
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Healthy muscular response.
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Maintain healthy skeletal muscular system.
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Okay.
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Interesting.
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Give it a shot.
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Send me that.
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Send me that, Jamie.
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That has the same ingredients?
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I mean, I literally copied and pasted and Googled.
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They re showing the same thing, same dosage.
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That looked like a bullshit low-res image company.
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Try it.
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Okay.
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I know nothing.
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I m going to try it.
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Thank you.
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I m excited.
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And I m excited to try this.
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You give it to everybody?
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I need this.
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Anybody that would like ... I just ...
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For me.
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I want it for me.
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Yeah, and I know I m not gonna you know if it does if it that I sense to be it like I m like if it s not working.
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It s not If it has it yes, okay, that might be it it must be it if it s on his website.
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That s it info 650 okay But
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Yeah, it works.
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Herbs work.
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There s a lot of them that work.
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Some of them are really good.
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That s what s interesting about pharmaceutical drugs is the vast majority of them are sourced originally from plants.
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A lot of them from the Amazon.
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They ve come up with a bunch of different pharmaceutical drugs just based on compounds they found in the Amazon.
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I don t even know.
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I know nothing about this stuff, so when you started doing this documentary.
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What was the purpose?
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to find out the the process because it s like I ve I m going to do a movie right now like every time I m I Try to get in shape.
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It s always like I always have to get in shape It s almost like you know a fighter who fights and then gets so out of shape again.
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It s like well.
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That s it I mean I shot a movie
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Two years ago, where I play an exorcist priest, and I wanted it to be, it was a really crazy, legit story.
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So I wanted him to look a little different, be right in the part, and just have a different character.
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So I got down to 230.
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I really worked hard, that s low for me.
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Shot it and thought we were done with it, and I got to pick up a couple scenes I m 280 no dude.
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I m gonna have to look like Either right in that this priest got stung by a bee and it just swelled up Or I got to get in shape for it, so I gotta get cheaper.
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I got to get back down to that again I
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Have as much as I you know, I will shoot it when I m ready, but it s like it s waiting there to do a couple scenes I could lose it really quick.
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I could fast and lose it.
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Seriously.
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I can lose it and I Could I could lose it quick.
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I can t many weeks for 50.
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I Could do it a month Less than a month I could do it.
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Yeah 50 pounds.
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Um, I
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That s amazing.
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I can do it fast.
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Fasting, just not, you know.
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But that s eating nothing.
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You must feel like shit, though.
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No.
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No?
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No.
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When I fast, I didn t, you know.
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How many days have you fasted in a row?
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You don t want to know.
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How many days?
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41 and a half.
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What?
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41 and a half.
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You went 41 days with no food?
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Water.
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And a little salt in the water, like a little electrolytes.
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And I lost- Wow.
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Yeah.
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See, when I lock on, I can do something.
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Oh, I know that.
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But that s a crazy lock on.
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41 days of fasting.
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How much did you lose?
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It was mental.
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I felt so bad for my daughter.
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I said, I m going to do this for you.
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It was something that I could do and apply it to.
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And it was so emotionally tied into me.
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And I started fasting.
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And I didn t say, I m going to do 40 days.
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I just said, I m going to do whatever I can.
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I m going to start fasting right now.
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And I was praying for her, like I was worried.
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And I did like four or five days, and I was getting through it, but I was like, I was wanting to get off it then.
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I was like, well, I gotta start to eat, because I m really hungry.
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And I went and I talked to my daughter, I go, how are you feeling?
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She goes, I ve been feeling good.
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She goes, have you been fasting for me?
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And I go, yeah.
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And she goes, thank you so much.
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And I literally went, okay, I gotta keep going.
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I couldn t stop then so I just kept going day at a day at a time.
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You know just do it, but it s amazing how your body You don t need it.
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You don t need as long as you have fat on you like that.
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Yeah, I lost I think like 60 pounds Wow Yeah, yeah, there s that guy that was in the 1960s right Jamie
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That one dude, he fasted for 360 something days.
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He was really big, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you can do it.
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All he did was just take IV vitamins.
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Just water and vitamins.
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I didn t even take vitamins.
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You don t need anything.
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And I felt... You took no vitamins.
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Nothing.
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But you know it was It cleansed everything out of me like I m not saying it s the way to go for everybody You know like I don t I don t know again.
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There s definitely some health benefits to fasting.
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Yeah, especially short-term fasting Well, they but if you re big and you can do it.
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Why not that s it.
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It s like well.
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How are you gonna survive?
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Your body eats fat.
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That s it.
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That s what it was doing.
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It was probably had good energy.
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I
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I was pretty good for a while, and then you d have these dips, and you d feel like, wow, I feel miserable, I m off, I m done.
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And then you fight through it, and the next day you wake up, you re like, I m okay.
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It s like, keep going, just keep going.
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Your body just says, all right, this is what we re dealing with, we re eating fat.
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Literally wrapped up the 41 and a half days at you re gonna crack up.
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I went to Pizza University Which is a university to learn how to make pizzas, and I didn t even eat I forgot I had booked it and I m like oh my gosh, and I go I m not gonna kill it while I m there It was a three-day course where you get like a little diploma I wanted to know how to make the dough and everything like that and I went oh no this falls within my diet and just wanted to make it past 40 days and
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I went down there, and I did the whole thing and I never ate a bite Wow yeah, so it was crazy, but then you blow back up to this You know it s like it s so it s like that s what the documentaries about the documentaries about the process and finding something where you can help people
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Their health with you know it is what you were talking about It s just get up and do something walk do it a little bit more each day is the key you know it s like when you don t even notice it s happening and also you re this active and That s great part of the keys having other people to deal with That s one of the great things about like you were saying training with wide bin those guys It s like you re you re in a group of where everybody else is working hard too, and it s Contagious right it s you get caught up in the momentum And it s great and everybody comes out of there feeling better, and you all went through something together
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Yes, yeah, that s it that helps.
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It s very hard to do it by yourself.
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It s not only helps It s like we need it.
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I think we re we re built for that.
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We re made for that community, you know, yep 100% 100% you don t have it.
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It s it s hard.
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Yeah, it s not a good life if you don t have it.
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I
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It s just not you don t want to be by yourself right now like that s what you always hear about those Like Howard Hughes type characters by themselves are scared of germs The world gets smaller and smaller yeah the bigger yet the world gets smaller, and it s not good not good for you.
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No Yeah, you could lose your marbles
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I m coming.
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I think I m coming.
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I think you should come.
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My wife s hearing this.
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She s going to hear this for the first time, but I think this is it, yeah.
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It s a great place to live.
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I look here in Florida and, you know.
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Yeah.
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This is a great place to live.
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It s fantastic.
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Again, I ve never spent time here in Austin.
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I was here for a few days writing.
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I felt immediately at home.
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Like the moment I moved here.
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I was like, this is where I was supposed to be.
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Like it made sense.
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It made sense.
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It s like a course.
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I thought you d never leave LA too.
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I m so glad you did.
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That was so cool.
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Well, I ve been wanting to leave for a while.
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I tried Colorado for a little bit.
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You moved out even from L.A.
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further out in the stick, right?
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In the hills.
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Yeah, I was out in the hills.
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I was always trying to be... Look, when I bought my first house, I bought my first house out in the hills on like four acres because I was like, I don t want to be
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around people.
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I want quiet.
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I want animals.
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I want to look out my window and see a hawk fly by.
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That s what I want to see.
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That s what I like.
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You got that here.
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Yeah.
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But that s what I like.
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I don t want to be overwhelmed by people.
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I don t think that s healthy for you.
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And with me, LA just got sketchy during COVID.
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The George Floyd riots, I was like, this is sketchy.
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I was watching a bunch of looting.
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I saw these kids break into a clothes store.
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I was like, god damn it.
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This is sketchy.
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These cops can t do anything.
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They re overwhelmed.
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And then there s all this defund the police shit going on.
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And everywhere I would go, I would go like...
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You d see tents, and I was like, this is a society that s fallen apart, and if you don t get out now, you re gonna get stuck in something unrecognizable.
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This is not what you signed up for.
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When I lived in L.A.
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in the 90s, L.A.
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was great.
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It was great.
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Kind of a lot of traffic, but other than that, it was cool.
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Great place to live.
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All these comedians and artists and fun.
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Sunny out all the time.
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Yay!
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We re in the right spot.
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But after COVID, after the George Floyd riots, I was like, uh-uh, I m getting the fuck out of here.
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And then it s just the lockdowns and all the ridiculousness and the hypocrisy and just realizing you have to pay attention to how fucking stupid the mayor is.
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I never paid attention to the mayor.
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I didn t give a fuck who the mayor was.
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And then when COVID comes along, I m like, oh, that guy s a real problem.
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These people can become a real problem.
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They can tell you you have to close your family business.
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We ve had a business for 30 years this fucking dipshit who shouldn t be managing a fucking Taco Bell right is managing the entire city s Economy like oh my god, and then they went after him, too Which is even great like Black Lives Matter was protesting in front of his house like 30 days in a row like oh
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That s what you get, bitch.
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That s what you get.
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It just turns on itself.
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Yeah.
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And then you brought it here and you planted these seeds and look what s growing, man.
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It s just so amazing.
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Luckily, a lot of other comics decided to move out here.
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That was the big one.
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Ron White was the king.
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He was always here.
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Ron White was here before COVID.
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Yeah.
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I remember calling Ron White up.
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I go, why are you living in Austin?
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He goes,
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He goes, I ll still come to the comic store, but I fucking love it.
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He goes, I love Texas.
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I love being here.
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I love living in Austin.
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It s a good city.
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I was like, damn, it sounds like a good fucking city.
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And so when the pandemic came around and we were looking for places to live, we had some friends that were coming to look in Austin.
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I was like, let s look in Austin.
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And we came and we saw this house on the lake.
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I was like, let s go.
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My buddy, I have my buddy Scott Voss, he lived in New York like most of his life, in the city, and then he just abruptly moved to New Brunfels, you know, New Brunfels?
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And he s always like a bow hunter and all this stuff, and he loved that stuff.
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For bosses.
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Bosses yeah, they re great friends.
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Yeah Yeah, I know I know I know the whole thing yeah, he s they re amazing and He loves it.
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I m always like how is it?
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You know like are you you know missing New York?
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He s like not a stitch.
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You know it s like you can always visit New York.
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Yeah, I love New York I do love to go back and visit.
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I love to visit and eat I
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Yeah, well, I m in the island, so it s like it s not in the craziness right, but it s it s yeah It s it s the island is a different state.
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Yes.
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It really is it s a different 100% It really is yep.
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It s a different state.
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It s not in New York City
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I m on, you know, it s, it s, it s, it s, it s, it s very right wing.
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Yeah.
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It s different.
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Yeah.
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It s most more families.
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Yeah.
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Much more normal, which is what I need, you know, you know, but here I used to love working on the Island.
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That was my favorite place to work.
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Governors.
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Yes.
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Chuckles.
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Do you remember Chuckles?
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Yes.
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Is that Mineola?
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Is that Mineola?
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It was in Mineola.
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That s right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Eastside was great.
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That was a sad day when Eastside died.
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Closed.
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And then they opened another one, Ritchie, and it just got away from him, and it was just not a great, you know, he took on a massive, like, store, like, a massive warehouse, and started rebuilding it, and just got, you know, in over his head with stuff, and, you know, the boom was slowing down a little bit, you know, and it just got tough.
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Yeah, Long Island has always been a good place for comedy.
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Best.
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There s always real good comics coming out of Long Island.
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There s always like a Long Island attitude.
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Like you get guys who come into the city from Long Island.
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I was always afraid of that.
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That was another move like, oh my God, making that move to the city.
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People like, you gonna go to the city?
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I m like, I m not going to the city yet.
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I m not ready.
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I m not ready.
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I was so scared the first time I performed in the city.
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I was so scared.
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Where d you go?
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Boston Comedy Club?
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No, Catch a Rising Star.
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Yes, me too.
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Louis Faranda.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I was so terrified.
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Wow.
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I thought I was going to bomb.
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I was so nervous.
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I ve never been more nervous for a show in my life.
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Because all the greats went through there, you know?
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I remember I watched a video that was online of Richard Pryor.
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Guess back then I must have watched a tape because this is we re talking about like the early 90s mm-hmm It must have been a tape, but I watched a VHS tape of Richard Pryor on stage at catch, and I was like oh my god I m gonna perform in the same place, and I knew Richard Belzer had performed there.
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I knew it was just a legendary club I couldn t believe I was there I couldn t believe I was allowed to be on the stage I
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Me too, man.
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Yeah, but when it went, okay, it went good, you know, I was like, okay And then the next show I did the city.
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I was like loose.
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I was like, this is just a crowd These are just people that s it and then I just got loose but the the the this allure of the city It was always like you can t trick them.
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They re gonna be the smart people and
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Like, you can trick all those losers that come to see you at a bar in, you know, the middle of Massachusetts, but if you re gonna go to New York fucking city, you better have your act together.
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You know, and your act has to be tight.
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Stand-up New York, the comic strip.
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The comic strip, you remember?
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Eddie Murphy was there.
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Yeah, that was a tough one.
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I m like, oh my gosh, Eddie was here.
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Yeah.
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You know, and you see that Chris Rock, and I m like, whoa.
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Yeah.
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Well, the clubs in New York, there were so many of them.
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Boston Comedy Club.
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Yeah.
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Danger fields danger fields I played I played in front of probably three people right one o clock in the morning.
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Yep, danger fields Yeah, I was there once danger fields and my spot was at 930 and I got there at 9 o clock and everyone was by the bar I m like what s going on like there s no crowd and while we were there two people showed up and you remember Bobby Oh, you put the show on yeah, yeah crazy Bobby
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Welcome to Dangerfield!
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And we just brought him in.
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You started the show.
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And then the show started.
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Yes.
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And we all did stand up for two people.
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Ah, I love it.
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They were, like, held hostage.
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How could they leave?
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We re gonna get out of here.
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This sucks.
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Like, what?
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There s five more guys coming.
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There was something about back then that, I mean, I miss so much that, I guess it s the community again, but that whole drive to, you know, the newness of being in these clubs, you know, the comedy cellar, you know?
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So we didn t know if we were gonna make it.
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That s it You know you back then you were like am I gonna be a real professional or is this just bullshit?
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Should I think about getting a job job right?
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You know I quit my last job way early.
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Yeah, I was working at a place called Granger in the in the warehouse just pulling orders it was like an industrial equipment company and I hated it was so hot and I m like miserable and I m doing like one like I m doing an improv class and like a couple dates I have here and there and I was like
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I think I m gonna turn into comedy.
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I think I could make a living of this stuff.
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And it s like, pulled out way too, living at home, my folks, and it s like, I might have pulled out a little early, but you know.
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But that s the way you do it, though.
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Yeah.
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You ll find jobs and things to do to make money while you re struggling.
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Right.
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But it s, if you have a net, you ll fall.
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Right, you re right.
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Do you have to be 100% all in?
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Because in the beginning, like in the first days when you and I knew each other, we were just like kind of opening acts.
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Right.
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Which is like, you re not really making much money.
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Right.
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Maybe you could headline some old scrub room in the middle of nowhere.
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Right.
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Make a couple hundred bucks that night, drive to Connecticut.
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You know, so it was precarious.
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Like, who knows what s going to happen?
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I could fall.
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But we all knew guys who fell apart.
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Guys who are like headliners.
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Yes big comics, and they just fell apart.
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They fell apart.
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They couldn t they couldn t handle it for a reason It s weird fear of success or just like whatever it is They just didn t know how to go to the next level or I think for them.
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It s a lot of that They didn t have community I think back then even more so then it s a problem now.
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It was way more of a problem back then and
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because everybody was in competition with each other.
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Nobody looked at other people like other people that are just like me that are out there doing great, and so that s awesome for everybody.
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Back then, like, if you and I were friends and there was a Tonight Show host spot available, and they were gonna talk to you and they were gonna talk to me, we couldn t be friends anymore.
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And, like, the people would, like, turn on each other.
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They would backstab each other, like the famous David Letterman and Jay Leno things.
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Right.
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Leno s, like, hiding in the closet.
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Closet, listening to... Yeah.
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Yeah, it was like they were in competition with each other.
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Did you have a group of guys in Boston around you, like, when you first started, or, no, was it just you?
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Me and Fitzsimmons were always tight.
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Right.
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And we started out literally a week apart from each other in open mics.
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Right.
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And then Chris McGuire, I was always tight with Chris, and there was a few guys from
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Era that I stayed friends with that we did a lot of road gigs together, and we were tight, and that was real fun Mostly Fitzsimmons cuz Fitzsimmons was he was a good buddy And we did a lot of gigs together when we were starting out we drive to Rhode Island for free Yeah, and just do open mics.
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I drove to Allen, Pennsylvania For I mean like 20 bucks.
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I remember like I go.
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This is cost me more in tolls.
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Yeah, I
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I was like, but I m went yeah, but that s the only way to do it You know you have to you have to put in those hours in that time And you have to be and if you re with someone else is also doing it.
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It makes it way easier So yeah, I made it easier for sure to be friends with Fitzsimmons because we were both doing the same thing at the same time yeah, but there wasn t a group like we had in LA and
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And LA, that was a different thing.
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That was a real brother and sisterhood.
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It was like everybody was so tight.
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And everybody was so supportive.
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Because it coincided with the internet.
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When the internet came along, then instead of everybody being in competition with each other for a sitcom or a TV show, now everybody was on each other s podcasts.
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So now it was only beneficial.
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It was like if I could go do Schultz s podcast, that would make my Netflix special get more people to watch it.
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If I could go do this, it would do that.
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If I could do all these different things, it would actually promote stuff and it would make it bigger and better.
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And then it was like everybody s podcast grew because they were on other people s podcasts and no one suffered No one said there was no negative Like of all the people that I ever had on my podcast that went on to do podcasts and tour and do arenas It only helped it only helps it never sure it only helps it helps them.
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It helps me.
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It helps the audience It helps everybody them is insane.
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I mean like look at the careers you ve built from this I just exposed people to talented people that already existed and that benefits me.
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I
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Absolutely a hundred percent, but it s like you given this platform And it does it grows because then they re able to do it and bring up other people And you know and then other people are seeing that and they re they re applying that in their own lives Yeah, it definitely wasn t the cave the back of the day.
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I felt like I had my brother Gary and rock and you know Adam Ferrara, yeah, Richie minute like we had this tight group that we would look out for each other those guys Yeah, you know we would try to do that, but other than that it was back
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It was like they were just trying to get in the way and don t tell this guy about this audition.
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It s like I Hated that well, that s why I loved hanging out with you and Ferrara and you know it s like you could find good dudes and you all hang together and all enjoy each other s success and and
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Do shows together too.
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That was the most fun thing fun gigs it was such a good time and it just to be on the sideline because You re one of those guys that if I m laughing hard in the room you go crazy.
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Oh, you get me nuts You build me up you are you were the the hype man cuz you d fire me up and we well I always knew you at your best right and
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Always knew who you were like if we were just at a bar, and you just start going off about something crying laughing Yeah, you had this ability to get fucking furious about something in the most hilarious way And I was like you gotta bring shimmy out.
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I know you gotta bring shimmy out on that stage
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You were like one of the few guys I m telling you and Sandler are guys that believe in me more than I believe in me You know I m saying it really I mean, it s sometimes amazing You re your special quality is to be comfortable around your friends And then that that s where you show your full potential right and then it s up to your friends to say you gotta just carry that with you on the stage because that s you it s like the bit that you do but pulling up to the curb and
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That s a full shimmy bit.
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Yes.
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You got me.
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You built it for me.
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You were like, you gotta go nuts with that.
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And I was like more and more and adding in and going.
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I literally jumped in the audience during, cause you got me.
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Like that was, when we were up at Montreal, you were like, you gotta go shimmy.
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And I like went nuts.
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I literally jumped on some guy in the crowd.
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I ve never done that before ever I free this was like you know, but that got me my deal.
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Yeah, that s literally being nuts You know yeah, it was awesome.
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It was awesome, but that s that s you at your best But sometimes like that s you know sometimes people need a coach right?
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As long as you need a hype man.
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My friends do that all the time.
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We do it for each other.
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They do it to me.
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They ll say, like, Tony, last night we were going over a bit.
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He s like, I really think that when you re saying this, maybe say that first.
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And I was like, damn, maybe you re right.
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And every now and then, someone will see things with fresh eyes, and they got to pull you aside and go, I think you should do it this way.
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And you re like, ooh, I like it.
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Let me try it.
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And I ll try it the next show and like, oh my god, you re right.
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That s it.
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Ah!
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And you hug.
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It s a comfort level.
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It s a comfort level.
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When you re comfortable with somebody and you get past that, you open up and you try to and you know each other.
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That s exactly what it was, like I said.
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We would go out and do these things, and that would be it.
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You would give me these things and get me all hyped up, and it changed who I was.
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It changed what I, again, that comedian that with the, you know, standing up there in the middle with the mic stand, and then you re like, you were just that guy to me.
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You were that guy that was just like, you didn t care.
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And I was like, ah, I want to be that, you know?
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I remember one time we were at one of the improvs, the Brea improv, or one of those improvs, and one of the fucking guys who s working the sound booth goes, what did you do to him?
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I go, that s him.
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That s him.
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That s the real shimmy.
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That s when it comes out.
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Because you were just going nuts.
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You were just going nuts.
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You re like, dude, he goes so crazy when you re here.
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That s him.
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I need you in my life that way.
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I need you to do that with everything.
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I m telling you, that s what I miss when I m on my thing.
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Because again, my own captain, I go off the rails.
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I ll start overthinking things.
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Yeah, you know that happens with fighters, too.
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I m sure yeah fighters decide that they re the boss And then they don t have a guy like that happened with Tyson like Tyson was with custom Otto custom Otto died And now he doesn t have a boss anymore.
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He doesn t have the the alpha.
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He doesn t have this this this This this wise person is overseeing all of it going no no not this this right.
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This is why this is why you have to approach it this way like yeah, this is why like
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Sometimes people need a coach you need you need you need someone around you who knows exactly what s going on I don t care if it s you if you re like I need it like if I m writing a movie or writing doing whatever it is I need people to say hey Yeah, see you because you re in your own head everything has that same flavor like I m always like we re writing the same type of movies in this net because I m controlling everything and sometimes I got to relinquish that control and say oh
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Let someone else say you know believe me trust them just go with it.
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You know yeah, and I struggle with that cuz I m like no no no You know right right, and that s that s the key to it.
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I could see that in the fight game It must be like you know where I take over and I know better And I gotta switch camps and do all this stuff or especially if you re the champ right if you re beating everybody and you think like I m fucking everybody up cuz I m the best and then your manager is like looking at Clever Lang and Rocky right like
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No, this fucking guy is doing the real thing right you you better watch out.
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Yeah, you re just coming.
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Yeah, it s coming Yeah, you have to have that guy around you.
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Otherwise, you ll be delusional and you wind up like with a flashlight That s right.
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That s right.
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And you know, they re wheeling your honest for stretcher.
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That s That s the thing with success like and also the part of success is to get successful.
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You have to get really uncomfortable and
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And once you get to a certain level of comfort, you re like, I don t want to be uncomfortable anymore.
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I did all that, but that s over.
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I m done.
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But the only way you keep getting better is to be uncomfortable.
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That s it.
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That s the ice bath every morning.
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That s literally going, you don t have to do this anymore.
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It s like, but why?
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So you got to build up the boss in your head like I made my own coach because I realized there s not gonna be enough Coaches around me like I had coaches when I was doing martial arts I mean there was a giant factor for me that I went to that J. Hun Kim Taekwondo in Boston, which was like one of the best
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best gyms in the country.
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I just got, just dumb luck happened to be there at the right time.
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But once I realized that you re not going to have a coach everywhere, like you got to be able to coach yourself.
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Like I write out my training routines all myself.
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I write them out.
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So I know what I have to do.
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And I just do it.
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I found an old journal, like when I was literally doing, I did karate for,
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Four, I don t know how many years it was, when I got to like a brown belt, you know, when I was in high school and stuff like that, or a little, just as, I guess it was ending then, maybe it was just going into college, I was a brown belt by then, but I never felt that we had a guy named Al Wilson in our school who was a boxer.
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And I was learning all the karate stuff.
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And I was really good in karate.
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You know, I had these, you know, the moves and stuff like that, and the katas down like crazy, crank them out, like, rip them, you know, like, really powerful.
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And this guy was just different.
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You know, it was boxing.
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You know, like, I didn t have that.
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So I never had that confidence even then.
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Like, as a brown belt, I was like, I need to know something.
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Like, I gotta learn something.
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And it really, you know... Boxing s an eye-opener.
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Oh, my gosh.
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And wrestling.
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You know, it s like all these things.
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That s what I m saying.
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As far as that stuff, it s like...
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Those are two big eye openers, especially if you think that you know how to fight because you know how to do karate and then you box with somebody and you re like, oh, this is a totally different thing.
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this now.
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Learn it like I learned everything else.
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I remember when you took me to Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu, I remember probably the first class, a guy grabbed me and held me just against his chest and my face was in his gi and I couldn t breathe.
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I didn t know what to do so I reached up and I was like grabbing his throat, which you re not
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But I was panicking and he was like, whoa, you know, whatever.
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I was like, well, I didn t know I just played it off.
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I was gone I was got he was like I was gonna tap from a chest.
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Yeah, we ll do that in black belt.
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I do it all the smother smother choke Yeah, I can t I can t do that.
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People smother tap people like big guys would get on top of people and tuck them in between their packs Oh my god.
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Yeah, I m out.
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I feel like I m drowning Yeah, yeah, it s scary.
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It is scary.
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But if you can learn defense of that, yeah
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Then you re always going to be safe.
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That s the thing.
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It s like if you can just figure out how to defend yourself in those positions just to stay alive.
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And it s the worst feeling in the world to be trapped under someone for five minutes while they re trying to kill you.
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But if you can if you can develop enough confidence that you re safe no matter what.
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That s when Hicks and Gracie always said right.
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He was I am always safe.
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He was always defense my defense is perfect.
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I am always safe So he never worried about being tapped because he was always putting himself in these terrible positions He would have black belt start on his back with a fully locked in real naked choke.
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That s who you have them start.
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That s
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Yeah, then you re not afraid of anything you ve been there before you got defense.
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Yes.
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Yeah, you got your defense I see if I if I applied what I think about all day long to actually practicing it Yeah, I don t but I think about it all the time.
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We got to build that coach up in your brain, dude I would literally look up things and I go I would watch everything and be like I
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I saw Eddie Bravo once say, or I heard that he said, I won t even teach anybody until you can do the butterfly, you can get your knees to the mat.
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No, he said you can t get a black belt.
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Oh, is that what it was?
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Yeah, you can t get a black belt until you get your knees to the mat.
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Oh, okay.
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I thought he was like, oh, I took it that way, and I m like, I started pushing, but then I faded.
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He gave up on that, by the way.
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Oh, did he?
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Yeah, he gave up on that, because he realized you could be a black belt without putting your knees to the mat.
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Yeah, because I can t move.
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It s just Eddie has a very specific style, and it s super effective, and it s very dangerous.
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He s one of the most dangerous guys ever off his back.
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And so he developed this style based on flexibility and movement.
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And I could always do that because I was very lucky that I did.
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You ve always been flexible.
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Because I did Taekwondo when I was really young, and I always stretched.
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So I didn t have any problem adopting his techniques, but a lot of people did just because of the dexterity issues.
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I would think like, because that was like the rubber guard and stuff like that, right?
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And it was like, I was always a big guy, so I didn t know whether in my head I would go,
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I shouldn t train this way because it s not my style of fighting or whatever or should I be a big guy that can do that and I would go back and forth go and you know some trainers would be like You know you shouldn t do this.
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You know don t waste your time do that You ll never do that, and I m like well What if I m you know nothing scarier than a heavyweight that can move around and be like that you know?
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Heavyweight they can fight off his back is one of the most dangerous guys.
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I can t I get that was always no Gara s like big thing oh
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Because Minotauro, back in the day when Minotauro was the pride champion, Noguera was a lethal black belt off his back.
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So these guys are so used to wrestling guys and taking them down, but you get taken down and you re in Noguera s guard.
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You re in trouble.
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Fabricio Verdum, he tapped all the greats from his back.
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Fabricio Verdum, he tapped Fedor from his back.
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I mean, come on, man.
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Fedor, from his back.
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He was the first guy to beat Fedor.
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And everybody was like, holy shit.
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And the way he did it, with just pure jujitsu, he got him an armbar triangle combination.
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He s like, this is checkmate, motherfucker.
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Just slap that down.
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Boy, Fabrizio Verdum had the most wicked of all guards.
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He tapped all the greats.
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He tapped Cain Velasquez.
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He tapped Minotauro.
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He tapped Fedor.
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He tapped, like, some of the greatest of all time.
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That guy tapped.
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Off his back!
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That s crazy.
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That s what I have to... I literally...
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I have to get back to it.
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I really got to get back to it, because that fear of those positions that you just don t want to ever get in.
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It s the suffocation.
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It s this and that.
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And every time I start up again, I hate the warm-ups.
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The warm-ups, I m like dizzy.
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Like, you know, I m doing these, like, crab walks and stuff like that.
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I m, like, already out, like, you know?
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But it s like, I have a guy that Weidman hooked me up with.
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You know, I was going to go to Sarah, because Sarah s out there.
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It s great jujitsu.
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But for some reason Wybin goes go to this guy.
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He s he s he ll be great with you.
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His name is Derek Manji He does monster jiu-jitsu, but it was like an hour away from me But he s the greatest guy and he comes to my house and he trains me and stuff and he s just a beast But it s like I ve got to get past Literally out of my head and go to get in these positions, but I when I train with him He s so big like I get on his back or whatever it is and he just gets up It s like an apartment building just coming up like I can t even hold you know I don t and it s so
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Frustrating to me and he s flexible and big and he can move around and it s like I This is where I don t finish I quit I m like I get frustrated and I don t you know Honestly the thing about training with someone who s really good The problem is you re never gonna get good enough to tap them because they re always gonna be ahead of you You really should train with people that are okay That s the best way to train the best way to get really good at jiu-jitsu I ve always said and Eddie Bravo used to always say this is strangle blue belts and
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Really find people that could resist a little bit, but they re not really on your level right drill on them, right?
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You drill on them and that way then when you get to brown belts, and you get to black belts You re you re you re sharp, and you have all these reps of finishing the technique reps all these reps.
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That s the other thing closing the technique Do you recommend just drilling drilling 100% drilling is almost more important than anything really?
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Yeah, because it solidifies the move in your head.
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When I got really good, the best I got at jujitsu when I went from blue belt to purple belt was when I was training with Eddie.
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And we were drilling all the time.
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We were drilling multiple times a week.
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So we d get together and we would, for an hour and a half, we would just drill.
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And it sucks.
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You don t want to.
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You want to roll.
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Rolling is fun.
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Sparring is fun.
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You know, it s like you re playing a video game.
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But if you can just force yourself to do the work and do a lot of drilling, your technique will get really sharp.
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All the best guys drill.
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They drill all the time.
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They do either live drills, where you all start from a certain position, or they ll do drills where they ll go over a specific path.
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Like Eddie was big on going over paths.
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Like, I want you to do this.
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You pass the guard, he goes to block, you set this up, and then you counter with that.
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And then we would drill that very position over.
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So then when that would come up in training, when you would go to pass and someone would block and then you would take their back, it s like, oh, it s all synced in to your nervous system.
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So when you re, and that enables you to, when you re in a position, to think two or three moves ahead.
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You re not gonna get that if you re training with some big black belt.
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You re not gonna get that.
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You re never gonna get to the point where you can do that to him.
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It s not gonna happen.
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Oh, he s great.
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It s not him.
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No, it s not him.
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It s me.
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But even you, even if he lets you do it, it s not the same.
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You gotta be able to do it to someone who s not letting you do it and someone who you don t know.
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Well, that s the key.
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Once you start learning someone and you re kinda,
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Yeah, you don t want to know them right you want you want to be able to like solve a human puzzle, right?
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Some person is pulling on your shit.
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He s kind of freaking out only that it s the fear that I hate that I don t Love it.
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I hate going to a class where I don t know first of all I hate the gay I hate everything I suffocate in that thing that thing is hard I
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Because then I feel like you re not learning the techniques, and then you are you are you are yeah 100% At this I have a black belt and gee and I have a black belt no gee I can do both of them I ve done both of them between both of them at the same time But one of the things that I did from learning from Eddie was because I was training so much no gee But I was also training gee I would go in and do the gee, but I wouldn t use it I would let them use it on me
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But I was just concentrating on overhooks and underhooks, and I was concentrating on all the same grips that I would use so that I would never be deficient.
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Because if you get used to grabbing collars and sleeves, and you get used to adjusting people with butterfly sweeps and stuff like that based on grips, the problem with that is all those grips go away when everyone s slippery, and it s just bare chest.
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So I was just all about clinching, and I was all about a tight game.
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It was all about learning what Eddie s moves were.
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And Eddie s moves were all over hooks and under hooks.
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It was all wrestling based.
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And it was all because of Jean-Jacques Machado.
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So our instructor Jean-Jacques, his left hand, he only has a thumb.
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I know.
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He trained me a couple days in Encino when I was there.
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He came to my house.
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He was such a great guy.
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He s the best.
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He really is.
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He s the best.
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It s when I look at these videos of, you know,
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They take the gay belt or whatever it is and underneath and wrap it around this thing.
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It s like I always go It s not that it can t work or whatever, but I always look for things that are applicable like like that You know I want to be able you know yeah, and it s like that to me.
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I I can t do that I can t you know so but I always heard that for you to get better at no gee you want to train gee because
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Because it s like taking a bat and swinging with the donut on it.
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Nah, that doesn t make any sense.
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Okay.
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No.
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No, you want to train.
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It s like to get really good at racquetball, you need to play tennis.
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All right.
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It doesn t make any sense.
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Well, I got four massive geese if you want to use them for something.
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You could throw them over your couch or whatever you feel like doing because I m happy to get rid of them.
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Listen, there s nothing wrong with the G the G is still great And what the G does do is it forces you to be very technical because you can t muscle out of things It s you can t just pull out of stuff because you re trapped So you have to learn how to use the proper defense and also never let you get to get yourself into a position Where someone s completely cinched up on you like you like if someone has like like there s certain chokes like a clock choke
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Like if they reach into your collar and they grab a hold of your collar like this and then they get this arm Wrapped around here.
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You re in a bad spot right then.
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I m gonna spin
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And it s like a tourniquet, right?
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And it s terrible.
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It s a tourniquet.
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Oh, it s death.
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It s death.
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It s such a horrible choke to get stuck in.
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So you just gotta, in those situations, the geek can be very, like if you re in a street fight with a guy who s got a winter jacket on, some guy s got a leather jacket on and he grabs you and you grab a hold of that collar and you pull him to the side.
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And he fished that arm underneath his shoulder.
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That s a dead man.
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Right.
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Like he didn t even know he s dead.
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Yeah.
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He s a dead man.
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Yeah.
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Like if you get a hold of someone s leather jacket.
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Right.
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And then you get your arm under there.
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Right.
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And you get this like this.
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You re like oh son.
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You got him.
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You re going for a gator roll.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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I love that.
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Yeah, so this, like, a judo player who, fighting someone with a winter jacket, you re fucked.
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That guy s gonna hit you with the world.
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He s gonna spike you on your fucking head on the concrete.
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And you re not even gonna be able to stop it.
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You re not gonna be able to do a goddamn thing.
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So it s good to learn the gi, because most people are wearing clothes.
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Yeah, I m just gonna go out shirtless from now on, like, just not even wear anything.
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You could easily Ezekiel choke someone with a hoodie.
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Right.
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You get on top of someone with a hoodie, and you get up in here, and you fucking...
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This is different level.
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This is not what I m literally I need to yeah I ve got to start.
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I really do I gotta I gotta do something because it s like it s there s nothing wrong with the gee the geese great the geese great It does slow the game down for older guys, too.
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That s the one thing that s where they keep saying oh
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You don t want to go Nogi because it s gonna be but it s like it ll be a lot quicker But I don t mind I like that as long as it s a guy my level it does slow the game down But also to me I just feel suffocate like everybody s always grabbing me, and I m like I m out.
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I m like tapping like crazy I m like I m you know Plus my grip strength.
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I ripped I first of all tore this bicep When I was did you get it repaired, or does it just like this one happened this one happened?
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About five six years ago.
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I was I
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I hired a personal trainer, and she came to my house, like I didn t even know, she was almost like the CrossFit person, and she was like, we re gonna work on strength, and I had never deadlifted or did anything, and I started doing deadlifts, and she was like, I didn t even literally know how to do it, and she was like showing me, and she was getting so excited, she goes, that s pretty good weight, can we bump it up a little bit?
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And it was like 135, 225, 275, and then she goes, can we go a little bit more?
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She put 315 on it, and then I go, and I got it, and she was like,
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Can we go 405 like whatever she bumped up and I m going and I m starting to feel like a little tired And I go, I don t know.
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I don t know if we should do this.
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I don t know what this is getting me, but she was so happy This is really good.
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It was like a personal bet and I go I ve never done I did 405 and I felt a little something I got it.
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I just got it and she was like, this is amazing and
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And then she said, can we go like 450?
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And she put, yes.
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And I went pop right away.
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I got it up for a little bit.
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I just went, I felt, I go, oh my gosh.
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But it didn t, it was such a bad, it didn t tear away from the bone.
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It just, there was like, it looked like it was like chopped meat and there was a, it ripped a hole in the middle of it.
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So it was weird it was like he goes the guy looked at it, and he goes we can t even do anything with it So it s like you just got to let it heal doesn t still have a hole like when you flex well You can t see this one as much you can see a little divot you see a little divot here But then just recently I did a move with Joey Diaz.
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I did that movie I did a movie with him, and there was a lot of fighting in it and I m fight training with the guys and we re rehearsing all the the choreography and going through the moves and we did it like a lot and and
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It was the end of the time, and he s like, do you want to run it one more time?
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And I was like, ah, all right.
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He was just running it slow, just to get it, because I was getting tired, and I had to go and double leg the guy, or whatever it was.
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And I went in to double leg him, and it was very slow.
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And he moved to the side, and he went this way, and it stretched my arm, and it went.
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I go and they go.
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Oh, that s looked awesome awesome guys, and I go no no no no I literally haven t recorded I go something s wrong.
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I go something s wrong and this one this one s bad.
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It s it s nasty It s like it s it s the Matt Sarah one it rolled up on me ooh, and it was I got it checked out and they go it s completely torn and
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And, you know, the guy was doing PT on me, this guy Amato, he s awesome, Johnny Amato, he s an awesome guy to do PT.
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And he was telling me, he s like, well, the good thing about it is it s torn completely because it s not, you know, you re gonna be able to do everything with it.
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And I had to go into the movie.
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So they go, do you wanna get it fixed?
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You should get it fixed.
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And he s, you know, it was like one of those things where it s like, you don t lose, you don t gain that much strength.
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Believe it or not, the bicep doesn t do that much, the bicep itself.
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It s kind of like a turning a key and it s like that s where it ll be affected a lot which it s you know That s actually not that bad.
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Did you get it fixed or no?
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I didn t I couldn t because I had to go into the movie and shoot the movie because if you do that you get it fixed It s the rehab is like it s long, you know So I go I can t do it So they said I go can I get it done after the movie and they go you can t because it s a window of The muscle like if you don t attach it right away, it travels up.
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It won t take yeah, and
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So I did it.
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I didn t do it.
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And, uh, it s bad.
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And it still hurts.
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It cramps every time.
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Like, I don t feel like I can do anything.
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I ve lost so much strength on this thing now.
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You wish you d gotten the surgery?
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I do.
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I do.
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That sucks.
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I always wondered about Matt s arm.
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He s strong as hell.
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Like, it doesn t affect him, though.
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He says, you know, I think he says it s fine.
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A bunch of guys get that one.
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That s a real common one.
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It s common with a lot of times when people throw a punch.
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Okay, the punch gets blocked the the bicep will pop and curl up.
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I ve seen that a couple of times Yeah, yeah, it s this is ugly, and it s bad remember Kyle Parisian had that short hamstring.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh, did he yeah?
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He had a hole in his hamstring his hamstring just ripped apart And it s shriveled up and it always fucked with him like the rest of his career.
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Oh, it s in your head Well also as one leg just was not as strong right so as one leg was like always compromised He should have had it surgery on it like right from the beginning Yeah
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Yeah, but guys try to rehab stuff.
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There s like that fine window, that small window between fixing something and not being able to ever fix it.
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Like T.J.
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Dillashaw went through that with his shoulders.
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He tried to just rehab his shoulders and his shoulders wind up becoming chronic and now they ruined his career.
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Right.
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Yeah, any kind of injury to a joint, I always say get the surgery if you can.
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If it s that bad, get the surgery.
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But also, it depends on what it is.
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Like if it s a bicep, yeah, get the surgery.
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But there s certain things like stem cells might be able to fix that better than surgery.
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So it s like knowing where to go and who to talk to and what doctors have actually gone through this before But you can t do that now Julie what with stem cell or no with this with the bicep no once it s shriveled up It s shriveled up.
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Yeah, you have a very small window.
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I think a bicep the windows just a couple of weeks Yeah, yes get it repaired like really quickly.
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I should have done it cuz I really that sucks It does that s a bummer.
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It s oh
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You know, slowing me down for sure.
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I tore my MCL getting on stage once.
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What?
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Yes, at Stubbs.
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It s Stubbs in Texas.
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I was walking up to the stage.
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Stubbs is this outdoor amphitheater, and as you re turning the corner, it s these concrete stairs.
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But they re spaced differently.
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And so I was like, check.
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I was turning my recorder on on my phone and walking up the stairs being called up to the stage.
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And I misstepped and twisted my foot and it popped my knee bad.
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Or when I went on stage, my leg was shaking like I was nervous.
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I didn t stop.
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I was in agony.
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I was in agony.
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Yeah, I just did my set.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah, I just power through it, but I was like, my leg is shaking so bad.
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It looks like I m so nervous.
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Like everyone can see this, but it was just pain.
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I was, I should have addressed it.
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I should have said, I just blew my knee out.
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I should have said that so people know why my knee is shaking.
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Yeah.
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Because otherwise I was like, God, how do I stop my knee from shaking?
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Like this guy s nervous.
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Yeah, it shook for like the first fuck 10 minutes at least.
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Did you sit down?
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Nope.
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Nope.
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Just did my set.
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You re nuts.
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Yeah.
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It still went great.
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The show was fun, but then my knee was fucked up for a year after that.
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I had to get a bunch of stem cells.
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I got stem cells in it like three times before it finally got to the point where it doesn t bother me anymore.
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How is it now?
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It s great.
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Yeah, now it s great.
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Now I can kick the bag, no problems.
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Wow.
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I did a lot of knee over toe stuff too.
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Ben Patrick, yeah, that s stuff.
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I yeah, that s great stuff.
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Mm-hmm.
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That s it s a big game-changer I ve strengthened my legs quite a bit more since I did that since I had that injury the Nordic curls and you know The slant board squat I got that squats that sled to the wheels whatever it s called a torso.
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Yes It s just I just I just push it the light and then just walk back with it slow, you know and just keep going down
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I feel it in my legs, and it s great.
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The walking back is huge.
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That s such a crazy way to strengthen your legs, to pull a sled backwards.
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Such a good way to strengthen your knees.
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Right.
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Yeah, it just keeps everything strong and firm.
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And as long as you stay flexible as well, and you re strong, you have stability.
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You have range of motion, but you also have stability.
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That s giant.
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That s key.
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I m doing this movie now where it s me and it s an action movie.
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I m literally leaving tonight to Vancouver.
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It s like a crazy action movie and I wanted to get in shape for it and it didn t happen, so I m like, I don t know.
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I m next to this beast too, Alan Ritchin.
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Oh, that guy?
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For The Reacher?
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That guy s huge.
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He s huge.
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Oh my gosh, I was like I got a train to get you know, right?
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I m like nothing happened and I m like, oh boy We re going is the perfect guy for that show because you know, they did that movie with Tom Cruise And it was like the character was never that small right?
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No in the book.
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The character is this monster the character in the book was Alan Richmond
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Yeah, Richson.
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He s a beast.
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Richson.
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Yeah, really good.
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Look at this dude.
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This dude s ridiculous.
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He s amazing.
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He s a house.
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That guy s a house.
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Great dude, too.
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Yeah, he seems like a really nice guy.
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Unbelievable.
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I ve seen him in interviews.
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He seems like a really nice guy, but he s the perfect guy for that series.
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Yeah.
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They just you know Tom Cruise is the blockbuster boy, so they re like let s just do it with Tom Cruise like but he s five This guy s gotta be a gorilla.
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He s gonna be a fucking linebacker.
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He s a linebacker with a genius brain Yeah, kill people this guy s this guy s yeah.
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He s perfect for it.
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He is But uh so you have to do an action movie with him.
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Yeah, oh no and just start fasting I just
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Do you have before the camera rolls?
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I just suck it out.
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I mean, it s it s crazy, man I it s like fighting that age, but it s like you re right you look at you re doing it man.
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Yeah, it s like such a difference Now you are with what you do and what you ve implemented.
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You re we re different species you and I m telling you I just stayed on it Yeah, I just never let off the gas.
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Yeah, that s the key.
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Yeah, but also being careful like knowing like what s
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Fucked up, and what s not knowing not to try to work through injuries But to heal them and making sure they don t happen anymore by increasing range of motion and strengthening things Just making sure your your whole system is strong right I do a lot of like Non-sexy exercises like Turkish getups and things like that right strengthen the whole body windmills yeah, those are the things that I like because
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No one likes to do them and those are the things I when I walk around the gym and you know do a couple of it It s like that s where I have to change my mindset to go go into the places where it Where does it hurt when you bend where it is, you know the ankle strength foot, you know all this stuff to get you know comfortable in that and it s like
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That s the stuff.
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That s so important Turkish getups.
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I hate Everybody I don t like to do it.
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I don t you know there s no like bench press is cool You know you bang out ten reps like yeah, we did it Turkish getups.
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You never feel like you re done.
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It s always no exactly oh It s hard and everything s working your legs work
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Do you do a specific sets and or do you are you more like on your own just do a like do you go?
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I just gonna work this area and I m gonna do as many as I just want to drill it or no I have sets you do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I ll do like, you know I do my warm-up my warm-up after the cold plunge is always a hundred push-ups and a hundred bodyweight squats So that s the warm-up so that gets you going that gets you warm after you ve done the cold so that now you re heated up again And then I do wait a second a hundred push-ups
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and 100 body weight squats.
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That s more than my week, right?
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This is your warm-up?
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That s the warm-up every day.
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Yeah, that s 15 minutes.
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So 15 minutes it takes to do 100 push-ups and 100 bodyweight squats.
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I do those.
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And then I do swings.
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So depending upon whether or not I m feeling good or whether I need more warm-up, I either go with 50 or 70 pounds.
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So if I go to 70 pounds, that means I m ready to go.
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So I do three sets of 10 swings with each arm.
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with 70 pounds, and then I do clean press, three sets of 10 with each arm, clean press, and then I do three sets of windmills with each arm, and then I do three sets of renegade rows.
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You know renegade rows, where you re like doing a push-up on the kettlebell, so you got the kettlebells, two on the ground, same distance apart as your shoulders, and you do a push-up, and then in the locked push-up position, you do a row with one side, boom.
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And then a row with the other side, boom, back down for a push-up, back up.
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Row with one side, boom.
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So your core is totally engaged the entire time.
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You re in a plank the entire time.
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And the entire time, you re either going down to do a push-up, you lock up, and then you re stabilizing yourself as you pull the one kettlebell up.
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That s core, that s everything.
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boom and you do that you do that with 70 pounds three sets of 10 on each side and you get worn the fuck out you know so you re doing 20 reps every time i m doing this i m doing 10 reps with each hand so i m doing that with 70 pounds and so i do three sets of those and then once i get done with that then i usually either do the sled or i ll do something else i ll do like rounds on the bag i ll do like something else
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And is that is that timed and all that stuff too or is it no you just know I like to give myself time in between sets Because I want to be fully recovered before I get into the set again.
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I don t believe in I Follow this Russian principle this
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Power the strong first principle, which is you the most important thing is how much weight are you pushing in for how many reps?
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And it doesn t matter if those reps come over five minutes or they come over 20 minutes And it s probably better if they come over 20 minutes and over five minutes because you have a lot of time I ll take five maybe even ten minutes in between sets and
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So I m fully ready to go.
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And then when I m doing the clean press with 70 pounds and I m doing 10 reps each side, I m no problem doing that.
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I m not fatigued.
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Like, I m fatigued.
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It s difficult, but it s not where I m, like, at the point of failure, ever.
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If my point of failure was 10 reps, I would do five.
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And then I would wait a long time, and then I d do another five.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah, so I m getting a lot of reps.
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So you re never getting to that point where you re pushing yourself to the point where you can hurt yourself?
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Never.
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Never.
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That s all I do.
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I don t lift anything heavier than 70 pounds.
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You don t need to, right?
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Yeah, you don t need to.
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People think you do.
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I mean, it s one thing if you re a football player.
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If you re a power athlete and you need to do cleans and squats and deadlifts, that s great, but I don t need to do that.
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I just keep my body strong.
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And then I do my endurance work.
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My endurance work is either sled pulling or it s tabatas on the air bike or it s rounds on the bag.
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And then I get in the sauna.
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And the saunas, that s, see, go in there right when you re tired.
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And you just step in at 195 degrees.
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195?
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Sitting there for 20 minutes.
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What s your cold plunge at?
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34 degrees.
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I would have a heart attack instantly.
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I would be gone.
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I have mine, ready?
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I have one.
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It s 50.
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It was 52 degrees.
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It was 52, which was I was shaking man But I would like I would I would just go in there.
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I was in there for 15 minutes, though I would do that.
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You don t need to go that long.
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You don t need to but you can do that if it s busy Yeah, you can I mean it s probably giving you the same result if you do 15 minutes at 50 as you re doing three minutes at 34
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Probably giving you the same result or similar result the whole idea is do you freak your body out it produces cold shock proteins, and how does that?
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Compare it to the the the chamber one where you get the air is it just like a does that get you cool?
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You know the one where yes, and they re both they re both brutal.
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They re both brutal.
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I think I ve never done cold water is a different animal though and
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It gets in your bones more, right?
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You feel colder.
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Like, when you d get out of that, uh, the, uh, the cryotherapy machine, when you get out of there, within a couple of minutes, you re like, whoo, you re okay.
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You get out of that cold water, like, for a fucking half an hour, you re like, Jesus Christ.
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But that was the way I would warm up.
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I would just go right into the bodyweight squats and the pushups.
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So that was my way of heating my body back up after the cold.
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But don t your joints feel just frozen at that point?
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No, no, you re all right.
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You re all right.
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I mean, it s body weight, so it s not much weight.
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So you re just kind of pushing.
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You know, you could easily do 20 push-ups.
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You just do the 20 push-ups, take a break, do the 20 body weight squats, take a break.
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Heart rate drops back down, next set.
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20 body weight squats, 20 push-ups, next set.
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Do it.
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Do it five times.
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You ve got 100.
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And then by that time, I m warm.
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and so then I ll do whatever the other workout is.
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Maybe I ll jump rope, maybe I ll, it depends on what I m doing that day.
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But I always write it out.
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Yeah, because if you write it out, you don t give yourself any room for fuckery.
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Because you know this is what you have to do.
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It s all written out.
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Like, that s the boss.
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The boss gets in there and writes it all out before the ego steps in.
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And they re like, let s go eat, I m hungry.
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Once it s there, it s there.
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It s like, you get a better workout if you have some fruit first.
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Let s go have some fruit.
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You get a better workout if you eat.
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You know what?
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I have a window between three and four third are gonna really good workout then and right now just go watch TV But you just gotta have that boss in your brain it has to be in control And once you get it subdued like that much it becomes it s not that hard right the whole thing is momentum the right thing is doing is
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Everybody that has ever had a good day.
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You have a good day where you really get you should do these start feeling good about yourself And you go the key is just carry that forward and keep going and don t let yourself fuck off And if you do give yourself a day off Recognize that just like an alcoholic
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that starts drinking again, this could be a slippery slope.
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So if you give yourself that day off, be real aware of what you re doing.
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I m like, I self-sabotage.
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Like if I go, I m such a, I ll start Monday again or I ll start tomorrow, that hope of starting the next day, I have it so much.
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I remember like when I was training and Weidman said this to me, he goes, when you, you know, you re training and you get a flat, you know, you don t get out and fix the flat.
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You get out and pop the other three tires.
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Like, you literally do.
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And I do.
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It s like, once I go off, I go, ah, all right, I m off.
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I ll start, you know, Monday.
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Eating pizzas.
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Yeah, I do.
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I crush it.
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Yeah.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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Man, I would love to eat with you.
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You know that s you know, but I m saying like yeah, but I you re right and and you can eat and do it in the right way and I m sure you enjoy food and it s just you got a The boss has to be fully in control before you get a day off Yes, and it is almost like sobriety in that way like you just you have to get so much momentum that you re fully confident that you could take a day off and just eat ice cream and
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And there s nothing wrong with that if you do have a hold of it, but even if that s that s got to be tempered though Like you can t yeah, like I noticed I can t I can t do a day off where I m just crushing myself It s like there s no coming back the day the next day you feel like shit a hundred percent Yeah, you know, but the thing is you have
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gone on schedule and gotten in shape before.
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You have done it.
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So you know you can do it.
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So it s maybe even more frustrating than someone who s never done it.
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That s right.
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Because you have, like, dropped 60 pounds.
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You have gotten in shape again.
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And I remember when you were training mitts with De La Grata.
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I was watching you hit the pads.
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Like, when you got in shape for Here Comes the Boom, you got in fucking shape.
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And you were training hard.
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And I was watching some of those sessions.
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It s like, so I know you can get to that spot.
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Right.
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It s just, like, maintaining.
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I know.
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That s the thing, is maintaining.
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And now as I go, it s like God takes a little thing away from me, the bicep pull now, it s like, you know... Yeah, another new reason.
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It s a little, yeah, it s like, I gotta fight it, man.
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And like I said, I m teetering.
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Teetering between that, you know, I gotta go back, I gotta go back.
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And it s, you re right, man, it s... Yeah, you just gotta decide.
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And one of the best ways to decide is to write things down.
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It s so easy to just keep a thought in your head and you don t really give it the...
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What it deserves you got to write things down Occasionally you have to really do and I write down my workouts I have a big whiteboard in my gym to just put it up there write it up Just write it down before you do it and give yourself a realistic goal.
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Don t don t be nutty right point with the next day You re gonna be a dead man.
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Give yourself a realistic goal Dolce has he was get up go for a walk Just go for a walk for 40 minute, you know, whatever
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And it really what happens is when I start walking, I ll start moving around.
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I feel good.
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I go, you know, whatever.
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And I start adding more, you know, and it s like, my goodness.
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Then I start, you know, wanting to throw, I ll get the egg weights and I ll just start throwing with those and just, I love it.
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I really, you know, it s.
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It s something that is really addictive in a good way that you can, once you start doing it, and it s a little bit, it s the pressure of you don t have to do so much, just do this.
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And then.
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Yeah, if your pressure is, okay, now you have to lift weights for an hour and then go to a 90 minute yoga class and then run a marathon, like fuck that.
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It needs to be very realistic.
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We re gonna start off today, you re gonna do 20 pushups, 20 body weight squats, 10 cleans, 10 presses,
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you know, a couple of chin-ups and then you re done.
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That s a wrap.
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That s 20 minutes.
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20 minutes and never be exhausted.
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And then take, you know, the next day you re going to do something different but equally light and you do that for a couple of weeks.
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And if you write it all out, it shouldn t take you more than even 20 minutes to work out.
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And you can get through 20 minutes.
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Just write it all out.
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Make sure you follow it.
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And, you know, one of the best things for me is I have a TV in the gym and I ll put fights on.
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So I ll be watching fights, getting inspired, watching fights, and then you go through your routine and you re good.
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And as long as you write it out, and if you write it out and you know, I know I wrote this down on paper, I have to do what this says.
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You re committing to it.
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Yeah, you have to do it.
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You re committing to it.
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It s great.
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Because if you just hold it in your head, I m going to go work out.
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What am I going to do?
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Oh, I m going to fucking crawl, I don t know.
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Maybe we ll do some bench press.
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You need a structure.
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You re right.
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So you can give it to yourself.
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You re right.
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That s awesome, man.
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All right.
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I ll do it in this documentary, and we ll come back, and I m going to show you that I m starting.
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Next time you re here.
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I promise.
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You ll be looking for houses.
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I promise.
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We ll work out together.
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I love it.
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All right.
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My man.
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It s good to see you, brother.
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You re the best.
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I love you, man.
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You re the greatest.
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Thank you for doing everything you re doing, man.
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My pleasure.
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You re awesome.
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It s a lot of fun.
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It s great to see you out there killing it.
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I love it.
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All right.
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Bye, everybody.