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The following podcast is a dear media production.
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She s a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Fantastic.
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And he s a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.
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Get ready for some major realness.
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Welcome to the skinny confidential him and her.
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Just because you have the accomplishment, it doesn t mean that it s going to fulfill you.
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And I think for me, for a long time, it was like just about the medals and like, OK, this is I have to try to do get the most and all these things.
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And then it was like, well, what is my actual purpose?
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Like, what am I trying to accomplish here?
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And I think when I shifted that, that s when I started to feel fulfilled.
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And my definition of success really shifted as well.
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And it was like, I can still have that feeling of fulfillment, even if I don t reach the highest goal.
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Today we re sitting down with one of the most decorated female track and field athletes in Olympic history.
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Allison Felix.
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Allison joins us for a conversation about the Olympic mindset.
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We ask her all the questions.
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How to take charge of your own motivation and how to avoid letting brands take advantage of you.
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She talks about making sacrifices to be different, what to watch out for in partnerships, how to regain motivation during low moments, and life after retirement.
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She dives into her experience of starting a family while being sponsored by Nike, which led to her creating her famous sneaker brand.
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We also really talk about overcoming fear in this episode, which I think is a really great takeaway.
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With that, let s welcome Allison Felix to the Skinny Confidential Him and Her Show.
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This is the Skinny Confidential Him and Her.
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How do you become an Olympian?
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Like I want you to go way, way back to your childhood and tell me the first moment that you can remember and pinpoint when you even saw that quality in you.
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I think the first thing is like there s no plan, at least for me.
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There was no structure to it.
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That was not the intention.
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I think I first remember being fast in school.
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in PE, we would like run around the perimeter of the school.
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And I m super competitive.
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And I would always like it would be me and these two other boys, Jared and Blake, and we would be like leading the pack.
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And so that was the first time I was like, oh, like I m like I can be up with the guys and I like this, but no idea like of any future of professional sports.
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So when you know you can run fast, what s the next step after that?
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Do you go home and tell your parents, I m good at this, I like it?
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You just start racing everybody in the neighborhood.
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And you keep crushing everyone.
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Yeah.
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But then I started playing basketball.
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Like I didn t find it until high school.
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So I just it was normal.
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Like, you know, I m cool.
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But then I still had school.
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I did everything normal.
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And eventually, yeah, years and years later, then I found like the organized part of it.
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And that really came from like being at a new school, going out for the team.
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And yeah, again, like no intention of taking it anywhere.
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It s just like, oh, let me make some friends.
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Is that late for an Olympian to find it?
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Maybe it s a misconception, but my conception of when I think about this is like people are training since they re children.
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I imagine the gymnast.
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That s what I think.
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Yeah.
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When you say finding in high school.
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That s why I m like, that s not my experience at all.
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But that is the experience for a lot of Olympians where they go to some type of training camp and there is this plan since they were three years old and they ve always known they wanted to be an Olympian.
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For me, it was, I ve absolutely like stumbled and fell into it.
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And I think because I was active and I was, you know, competitive and it s running, so it s not something that you have to be doing from a super young age.
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I was able to excel really quickly.
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Did your parents help you water it or were they like, just go do what you want to do?
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They were like parents who just never let me and my brother quit in anything.
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So it didn t matter what it was, like you re going to see the thing through.
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They didn t know anything about the sport on a high level.
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My dad ran in high school and that was like the extent of it.
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But they just they showed up for me, like small meets, big meets, like whatever the thing was, they just supported me.
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And I think that would have been the same, like no matter what I did.
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When you look back, when you did decide to become an Olympian, what was the epiphany there?
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Was there an epiphany?
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Like, were you like, I m going to actually take this seriously and try to get to the top?
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Does somebody approach you or do you say, I m going to pursue this?
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Yeah, it first became like, maybe I can get a scholarship to college.
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So that was the first thing.
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It was like, this is my way, you know, to be able to go to a good school.
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And then my senior year, I started doing really well.
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My coach like put me in these races with professionals.
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And that s when it was like I had ran like the fastest time in the world.
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And yeah, then they started to approach me.
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Shoe companies started to like offer contracts.
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And that was like, OK, well, now I had committed to USC and I had this big decision.
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Like, do I go to USC or do I go pro?
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The Olympics were going to be the next year and really focus on that dream.
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So.
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This is always so interesting to me because you have to have a business mind to do all these deals.
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So were you also really good at looking at all these partnerships and deals and being able to weed through them or is it something you ve had to learn?
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Yeah, no, because at this point, I was like 17 years old.
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I had no idea of any of that.
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I was just like, oh, cool.
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They re going to give me like gear and like pay for school and all that stuff.
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Thankfully, I had parents who were like very they they just did their due diligence.
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And so they had a friend who was the GM of the Dodgers.
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And so they just use their resources to like help navigate and figure it out.
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But very much so, we just kind of did it as we went.
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And we made mistakes like we totally
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didn t get it right, you know, right away, but they did the best they could.
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Are the big companies fair with someone who s 17 years old looking back?
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Like, if you re maybe teaching someone who s in it at 17 years old, were they fair at the time or are there things that you should watch out for?
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I think there are definitely things you should watch out for.
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I think they knew that we didn t know what we were doing.
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Right.
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It helped when we brought in, you know, other people who obviously did, but it took time to, like, learn who those people were and how they could help us.
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When you reached this pinnacle of wellness and expertise and performance, what did that training look like?
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When you decided to take it seriously, what were your routines like?
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Very regimented.
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So I was training six days a week, right around five hours a day.
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Three was spent on the track.
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Everything from warming up, the bulk of the workout, cooling down, stretching, all of that stuff.
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I would take a break and then I would go to the gym for a couple hours and then have a very regimented system there, Olympic lifts and body weight and all those things.
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And then taking care of my body, you know, chiropractor, massage therapist, the recovery was huge.
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And so, yeah, it was the bulk of my life.
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How many hours a day do you think you were training or practicing this kind of stuff?
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Yeah, right around five.
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But is five with the chiropractor?
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No, just like five of the actual training.
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And is five with the gym?
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Yeah.
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Or is the gym an extra three?
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Is that what you re saying?
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No, no.
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So yeah, three on the track, two in the gym, come home, do recovery.
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And then like the sleep is huge, you know, like there ll be like a nap built in and then getting, you know, adequate rest at night and all of it.
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Is there drugs, alcohol, boyfriends, friendships, like how do you, like I mean at that age for me I m like out at the bar showing my tits, like is there any of that?
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I was underneath the bar.
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You were underneath the bar looking at my skirt.
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It was a very different experience.
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So there s none of that.
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I mean, I think you re figuring out your way.
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So for me, I was so I m trying to, like, navigate like I I still want to be like a regular college student, but I m I m definitely not.
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I m traveling the world.
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I m competing everywhere.
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So I think I had some, like, growing pains of like, oh, I want to go out.
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But like, that s not going to work with this.
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And so, yeah, for the most part, that s not a part of it.
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Boyfriends, girlfriends, friends.
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How do you deal with that?
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Yeah, boy boyfriends.
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You have to figure out, like, they have to know the lifestyle.
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Get, like, what you re doing.
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Because it is different.
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Like, it s so different than anything else.
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So, yeah, I kind of found my way.
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Obviously, you ve had so many accomplishments.
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Do you regret in any way or miss that you didn t get to have some of those experiences?
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one thing like I m so grateful for the way that it turned out like it s you know it was it was great for me it worked for me but I do like there s the the part of me that like I went pro so I didn t get to be on the college team like I didn t get those relationships or I didn t have the traditional college experience so I think part of me does feel like oh like that would have been so much fun but I do feel like when you re trying to do something different like you have to make those sacrifices.
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What s the pressure like being an Olympian competing against other nations, other countries for your country?
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Are you able to compartmentalize that and kind of block it out, or does that pressure get to you?
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I mean, obviously, you were able to overcome the pressure.
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I just wonder, like, what s going through your mind?
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I figured it out, but I think it definitely got to me.
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It s huge.
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I mean, it s funny looking back now because it felt like the most important thing in the world.
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Like, it was everything.
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And so I had moments where, like, my second Olympics, I was the favorite.
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It didn t come together.
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I lost.
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It was my second silver medal.
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And I was just like devastated, like in a very dark place, devastated.
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And looking back now, it s like it wasn t like that.
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It shouldn t have been like have that magnitude.
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But I think when you do feel the pressure, like you have your sponsors, you have responsibilities, like and also just the weight of feeling like you don t want to let your country down.
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It s pretty heavy.
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So I felt like I figured it out.
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But at the beginning, it was it felt overwhelming.
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Well, I mean, it was your whole world.
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Also, like your opportunities, like, you know, for Olympians, a lot of times there s two weeks that the world pays attention to you.
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And so it s like you have to be ready to go at that time or else it feels like you re not going to be able to make it.
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This is something I ve always thought, my mom was huge into the winter and summer Olympics when I was growing up and we watched all the time and I always would, I would think to myself like, man, it s a four year window, right?
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And so if you re taking your shot, let s say, I don t even know the exact, was it 2009, 2012?
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No, 2012.
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And then so the year before that was 2008.
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Okay.
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So if you feel like,
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you miss your one shot in the four years, you know, you re going to age four more years.
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Like how do you, how do you deal with that?
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I feel like you deal with life in like these four-year blocks, and it s crazy, but you talk to other Olympians, like that s how it kind of works.
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It s like everything is in these cycles, and it s hard, especially I feel like in track and field.
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It s not like the team is named early.
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You find out about a month before the Olympics, and that s when you have trials, and you have to make sure you re healthy.
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Like if you have a cold during the trials, like it doesn t matter.
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Like it s the top three on that day, and so
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It is just, there s so much of it that you re just hoping that like everything aligns to be perfectly ready when it s time to go.
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Any other kind of athlete, I mean professional sports team player, like they go these seasons and they re just, it s consistent.
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We re talking about if you, you know, you have this small window of two weeks and then you have a gap of four years, what are you doing during that?
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You re just training and.
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Yeah, so your season, it s interesting because it is every four years is the Olympics, but you have a season every year.
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And so you have world championships, you know, you, we have the diamond league, so our professional circuit, but like the world doesn t really know about that.
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So to capitalize, you have really just the Olympics.
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So yeah, you continue to train and build and all of those things and you continue to compete.
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But the biggest stage is the Olympic stage.
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Okay.
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Last question in this vein.
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For people that are trying to develop the right mindset to perform, you ve obviously had to do this in your career.
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When you have those down moments, how are you able to overcome that?
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What are you telling yourself?
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Are you reading anything?
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Are you listening?
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Like, what are the things you re doing to get yourself motivated to get back on top?
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I would get in these moments where I felt like I couldn t see it.
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Like, I just, like, after that second Olympics, it was just like, is it ever going to work for me?
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Like, I m not sure.
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So it was having family.
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It was having my coach.
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It was having people who
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could see the vision and encourage me when I was, like, too in my feelings to, like, get out of my own way.
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So that was the biggest thing.
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And then also, like, just taking time away.
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Like, every season I would try to take, like, a month just off where I m not training, I m not eating right, I m just out of it so that I can come back, like, passionate and refreshed and ready to go again.
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What do you cut?
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Like, you have to be laser focused and cut all the shit.
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What are you cutting?
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I feel like anyone who s not speaking into any negativity, anyone who doesn t believe that you re going to get there, you have to be around people who are on your team.
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For me, I would say you have to have a plan and you have to have
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Like for me in my world, like a coach, you know, but whether that s, you know, a life coach or someone who can kind of look at that plan and say like, I m, I m in it with you.
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I want to know what it was like the day after the Olympics are over because this is really weird but the day that I got married was like it was like so fun and it feels like you re on cocaine you re on like this high but the next day you feel really low it s really weird and I ve talked to a lot of people about this because it s like you do this thing that s that you re looking forward to your whole life and then the next day you almost drop
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And even like we talk about this all the time, astronauts who go to the moon who come back, they almost like have this like depression.
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Did you feel like that the next day, the next week, the next month after it s over?
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It s interesting.
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I feel like in my most successful Olympics, my third Olympics, like everything came together.
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really well.
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And I remember, like, I thought everything was gonna be different.
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It s like, if I win gold, like, nothing is gonna be the same.
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And I remember coming home and it was like, everything was the same.
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And it was, it was this feeling of like, I ve been striving for this thing, like, for so long.
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Now I have it, but it doesn t, like, it doesn t reach the hype of what I built it up to be.
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And it took time to like, you know, unpack and therapy and all the things.
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But I think it s just like it s about the journey and like the magic along the way.
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And I think sometimes you can be so fixated on that end goal that you miss like all the moments.
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So for me, that s what it was.
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It was like, you know, it just it wasn t what I thought it was going to be like.
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You have to tell Alison the pearl theory because that literal that people keep coming on the podcast that are really accomplished and saying that they thought that this accomplishment was going to like just fix everything.
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Tony Robbins always talks about that.
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The science of achievement and the art of fulfillment, like you have to have both, like you can achieve, like you, you achieved so much.
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And it s so interesting that you say that, that afterwards it s, it s like, everything s still the same.
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Yeah.
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I think that s important for people to hear because they think, oh, like a Selena Gomez.
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I ll just take like she s made it.
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But people don t realize there s there s a lot that comes with that.
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There s a lot of pressure and there s drops.
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Yeah.
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I think it s what you said.
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It s the fulfillment.
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Like just because you have the accomplishment, it doesn t mean that it s going to fulfill you.
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And I think for me, for a long time, it was like
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just about the medals and like, okay, this is, I have to try to do, get the most and all these things.
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And then it was like, well, what is my actual purpose?
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Like, what am I trying to accomplish here?
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And I think when I shifted that, that s when I started to feel fulfilled.
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And my definition of success really shifted as well.
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And it was like, I can still have that feeling of fulfillment, even if I don t reach the highest goal.
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SPEAKER_02
So what does your life look like the year after the Olympics?
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SPEAKER_00
Still training.
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You might have world championships.
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SPEAKER_00
You still have another season of competing.
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SPEAKER_00
So it kind of just keeps going.
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SPEAKER_00
There s a lot more work and opportunity away from the competition, but it just keeps going.
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And then when does it stop?
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Now you re pregnant.
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SPEAKER_02
When does all of the training stop?
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Or do you still do training all the time?
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SPEAKER_00
I retired last year, and so yeah, it stops whenever you choose for it to stop.
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SPEAKER_00
When I had my daughter, I was in the midst of, you know, still competing and everything, and so I trained all the way through my pregnancy and then came right back to it, and so it never really stopped.
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SPEAKER_02
So why did you decide to retire?
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What did that conversation with yourself look like?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it was, I felt like it was time.
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SPEAKER_00
I had done a lot of the things that I wanted to do.
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SPEAKER_01
You have a garage full of medals?
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SPEAKER_01
What s going on?
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SPEAKER_00
I, my parents keep them all.
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SPEAKER_00
But yeah, it had been a really long career and I felt really blessed and I knew I wanted another child.
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And that was something that I, you know, didn t really feel like I wanted to come back to the sport after doing it once.
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And it just, it felt like a good time.
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SPEAKER_00
But retirement is, is really different.
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It s really hard and transition is tough.
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SPEAKER_00
And so that s been a whole new world.
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SPEAKER_00
But I felt really confident in my decision of like, it s time to walk away.
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SPEAKER_02
Why is retirement tough?
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I think change is so hard.
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SPEAKER_00
It s been a real, it s been an interesting journey.
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SPEAKER_00
I ve been learning a lot.
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I think for me, you know, I had a 20 year career and I absolutely loved what I did.
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And sports is weird because you don t really, you know, no one escapes father time.
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And so that s a long career though.
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Yeah.
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It s a very long career.
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s super long.
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So that s why I felt super grateful.
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SPEAKER_00
But at the same time, it s still been challenging just to, I think so much of my identity has been wrapped up in being an athlete and competing in the Olympics and all those things.
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And so one day when it s just you re not doing that anymore, it s really interesting to just kind of sit with yourself and kind of break down like, well, who are you actually away from those things and explore.
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SPEAKER_01
Looking back 20 years, all the people you competed with,
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When you think about the mindset or the frame of mind that the best people, do you see common denominators against the best?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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I mean, just the, like the zone and the focus.
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SPEAKER_00
I do.
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SPEAKER_00
I feel like it s a kind of a, a different level of the passion and the lifestyle.
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SPEAKER_01
Are there people you could have looked at and been like, that s somebody I got to watch and that s not like just based on their demeanor.
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Or that person s going to be so successful.
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SPEAKER_02
There s like just traits.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, there s a competitor that I really enjoyed competing against.
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Her name is Veronica Campbell-Brown.
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She s from Jamaica.
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And I just knew that I always had to bring my A-game.
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Like, she was fierce and always ready to go and just extremely talented as well.
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SPEAKER_00
And I think there s an ease about it.
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SPEAKER_00
So, yeah, there s definitely the similarities.
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SPEAKER_02
When you talk to athletes who have retired now, is it sort of the same across the board with how people feel about retiring?
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I would think that, like you said, it s so much a part of their identity that there s
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that it s hard.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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A lot of the conversations have been similar.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, there s been a lot of, you know, people who have helped me.
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SPEAKER_00
I think there s been a lot of people who have, like, warned me, like, it s going to be tough.
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SPEAKER_00
I think it hits everyone in different ways.
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SPEAKER_00
Like, there s people who I ve talked to and, you know, they haven t come back to their sport and they don t, you know, they don t really miss it on the day to day.
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SPEAKER_00
For me, I do.
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SPEAKER_00
I miss the structure of training and all of those things that I ve
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really has just been like second nature.
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SPEAKER_00
But I think it s it s always really challenging when you move into the next thing.
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SPEAKER_00
And so as I ve moved into the next step, it is like finding my footing and remembering, you know, that I can still have like my best days ahead of me and there s still so much more to go after.
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SPEAKER_02
What does your life look like now on a day-to-day basis?
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SPEAKER_02
We re obsessed with routines over here.
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SPEAKER_02
What does it look like?
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SPEAKER_00
I think that s what I miss most is that there s not a really set routine.
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SPEAKER_00
I m doing so many different things.
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SPEAKER_00
My day-to-day is, you know, running Seiche, my footwear company.
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SPEAKER_00
And so, you know, a lot of, you know, meetings and team things for that, a ton of travel.
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A lot different travel than I was used to.
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SPEAKER_00
I did a lot of international travel.
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SPEAKER_00
This is a lot of domestic travel.
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SPEAKER_00
Being mom, like, and on top of all the other things.
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SPEAKER_00
So, you know, I try to have, like, some time to, like, work out and then go into the office and do all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00
But usually it s a fair amount of travel and then, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
I have plantar fasciitis.
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That s not fun.
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SPEAKER_02
Shoes are not my favorite thing.
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SPEAKER_02
Tell me, do these shoes help with my plantar fasciitis?
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I feel like you re the person to ask because I m sure you know all about the feet.
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SPEAKER_00
I think they would be great for you because they are extremely comfortable.
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SPEAKER_00
It s very cloud-like.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, for women, especially, we ve been wearing shoes that have been made for men.
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And so I think that s a huge part of why we see like these different issues arise.
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SPEAKER_00
So I would love to hear how, you know, you feel in them.
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I feel like women have been wearing those shoes like in Cinderella when the stepsisters shoes, their feet pop out.
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SPEAKER_02
You know what I m talking about?
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SPEAKER_02
It s like too tight, too big.
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SPEAKER_02
Like that s how I feel like every single time it is wearing heels.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s, I mean, it s crazy.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, even just I had no idea in wearing like sneakers that I ve been wearing men s sneakers.
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SPEAKER_00
And, you know, I ve been told that they re for women.
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SPEAKER_00
And there are a lot of differences between men and women s feet.
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SPEAKER_00
And so, you know, we shouldn t be wearing men s shoes.
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SPEAKER_00
And yeah, I think that is where a lot of issues come from.
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SPEAKER_02
Why did you decide to create your own shoe line?
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SPEAKER_00
So it came about really organically.
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SPEAKER_00
I was competing still and I had been with Nike for almost a decade at the time.
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SPEAKER_02
What does that mean you ve been with Nike?
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SPEAKER_02
Like they were sponsoring you?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, they were sponsoring me.
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SPEAKER_02
And if you just could go off on a tangent real quick and tell us what that looks like and then how you parlayed into your shoe brand.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, so in track and field, your major sponsor is usually a footwear deal.
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SPEAKER_00
And so they sponsor you, you represent them, you re an ambassador for the brand, you wear their gear, all of those things.
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SPEAKER_00
So I had been doing that for a really long time, but
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SPEAKER_00
I was ready to start a family and in my sport it was really interesting because so many women and friends of mine, I saw them struggle through that and they weren t supported and what was happening is that their contracts were either being paused when they became pregnant or they weren t under contract and they hid their pregnancies to secure new contracts and
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SPEAKER_00
It was a whole thing.
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SPEAKER_00
So I kind of felt like for me, like at this point I had been to four Olympics.
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SPEAKER_00
I had six gold medals.
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SPEAKER_00
Like I was like, maybe I have done enough and like I won t fall into that category.
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SPEAKER_00
But I found myself in the exact same position.
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SPEAKER_00
I was redoing a contract that I was already on, renegotiating it.
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SPEAKER_00
And the renegotiation started off at a horrible place.
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SPEAKER_00
It was 70% less than what I had already been making.
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SPEAKER_00
And so that just amplified my fear because they didn t know I was pregnant yet.
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SPEAKER_00
And so I did what so many women in my sport have done.
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I hid my pregnancy.
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SPEAKER_00
I started to train at like four o clock in the morning when it was dark so that nobody would know.
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SPEAKER_00
And my plan was just like, you know, to come back.
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SPEAKER_00
And I was doing that because even the 70 percent less, they hadn t put it on paper yet.
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SPEAKER_00
And so we re waiting, trying to get something back.
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SPEAKER_00
And
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it just kept going in a bad direction.
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SPEAKER_00
And then I changed my fight from one around financials to asking for maternal protections.
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SPEAKER_00
And basically what that means is in the contract, it s performance based.
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SPEAKER_00
So you go to the Olympics, you go to world championships, you get a bonus.
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SPEAKER_00
But if you don t, or if you have a baby during that time, you get a reduction.
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SPEAKER_00
And so there was nothing in place to say, after I give birth, I have this amount of time to get back.
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SPEAKER_00
You would just be reduced.
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SPEAKER_00
So that s what was happening to women.
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SPEAKER_00
They would be reduced and reduced and pushed out of the sport.
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SPEAKER_00
And so I asked for time to be able to recover, and they said that I could have it.
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SPEAKER_00
But they were not willing to give it to everyone.
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SPEAKER_00
They weren t willing to set that precedent for all female athletes.
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SPEAKER_00
And so that was something I felt like I couldn t stand for.
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SPEAKER_00
And so I walked away from the company.
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SPEAKER_00
I wrote this New York Times op-ed talking all about it, which was terrifying.
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SPEAKER_01
I m sure they loved that.
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SPEAKER_00
And two weeks after the op-ed came out, they changed their policy.
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SPEAKER_00
And today they offer 18 months of maternal protection for their female athletes.
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SPEAKER_00
But that s basically how the company came around, because I left Nike and I was training for my fifth Olympics.
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I knew I still wanted to run.
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SPEAKER_00
I knew I wanted to come back.
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SPEAKER_00
And I was looking for another sponsor.
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SPEAKER_00
And I think
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Whatever the reason, I had been so heavily Nike-branded, like just no one was interested.
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SPEAKER_01
It was just too long.
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SPEAKER_01
You were like just known for that.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
Or I caused, they saw me as like causing trouble there, you know, whatever the thing was.
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SPEAKER_01
We don t need another op-ed here.
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SPEAKER_01
Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00
And so, you know, I was I was talking to my brother who s my manager and really just like venting to him, talking to him as a big brother.
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SPEAKER_00
And I was like, I m just I m disheartened that like I m at this place in my career and I don t have shoes to wear in the Olympics.
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SPEAKER_00
And he was like, I think we should just do it ourselves.
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SPEAKER_00
And I was like, that seems very big.
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SPEAKER_00
But yeah, but the more that I kind of sat with it, it was like, no, this is a huge opportunity.
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SPEAKER_00
And so we thought we were creating shoes that I could wear in the Olympics and
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SPEAKER_00
Maybe other women would want to support that as well.
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SPEAKER_00
But as we did a deep dive into that industry, we learned that the majority of shoes are made off of a last, which is a mold of a foot.
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SPEAKER_00
And it s the mold of a man s foot to make women s sneakers.
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SPEAKER_00
And it s been marketed to women that this is specific for you.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, you go into the shoe store.
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SPEAKER_02
That s like designing a tampon for a penis hole.
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SPEAKER_02
Why are we getting shoes that are designed for your gross, big, lumbering toes?
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SPEAKER_02
That s some bullshit.
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SPEAKER_01
That is some bullshit.
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SPEAKER_02
I just think it s bullshit.
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SPEAKER_01
The closest thing I know about the shoe industry is I read Shoe Dog like four years ago.
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SPEAKER_00
That s about it.
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SPEAKER_00
That s all I know.
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SPEAKER_00
So yeah, they re not made for us.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, so that s what we get to do.
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SPEAKER_00
Our shoes are made specifically to fit the form of the female foot.
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SPEAKER_00
It was really cool because I did make it back to the Olympics and I got to do it in shoes that my company made.
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SPEAKER_00
What color?
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SPEAKER_00
Are all different colors?
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SPEAKER_00
What color?
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SPEAKER_00
I ran in a very pretty white.
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SPEAKER_00
It was like, almost looked like lace, but very strong.
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SPEAKER_00
They were see-through and yeah, a very beautiful, just beautifully crafted shoe.
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SPEAKER_02
Did everyone want them when you wore them?
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SPEAKER_00
They did, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
No one knew what they were.
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SPEAKER_00
And then it was, I kind of like stepped out in them and it was a moment.
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SPEAKER_00
And for me, it was just like, it was just the coolest because it had been so hard to get back to the Olympics.
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SPEAKER_00
And I felt like, you know, leaving Nike, like everyone was telling me, like, I m too old.
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SPEAKER_00
You re a mom now.
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SPEAKER_00
Like, this is not going to happen for you.
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SPEAKER_00
So to do all those things and to do it like as the first athlete in running in a company that I own was just like cherry on top.
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SPEAKER_02
Well, it s full circle for you.
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SPEAKER_02
And also, I think it s so smart what you did because you like content market it kind of like you wore it and then everyone wanted it.
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SPEAKER_02
I think it s a really, really smart marketing play, too.
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SPEAKER_00
It worked out that way where, you know, we were able to launch at the Olympic trials.
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SPEAKER_00
And yeah, so it was it.
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SPEAKER_00
It was hard, you know, timing wise to put everything together.
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SPEAKER_00
And but yeah, that was the idea to really have that moment.
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As a parent now, if your children come to you at some point and say, hey, I want to follow similar footsteps, would you, how are you going to handle that?
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Would you encourage or would you?
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I mean, I m always going to support my child, but I wouldn t be mad if they choose something else.
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It s such a tough route.
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I feel like especially track, it s like,
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An isolating, lonely sport, it s not a lot of payoff for the amount of work that it is.
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So I m trying to get my daughter to play tennis.
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What happens to, I mean, you ve had so much success and you ve done so well and so accomplished, but what happens, I guess, to maybe some of the athletes that don t have the success you have financially, professionally?
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What are those stories like?
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Oh, I mean, there s there s a million of them.
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There s such a huge disparity in track and field where there s only a small amount of athletes who are who are really successful and, you know, making a living and all of those things.
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I think for the others, they re working there.
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You know, they have this dream and they re trying to make it happen.
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They re not supported.
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It s just it s really a kind of a difficult lifestyle.
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That s got to be tough to be like, I m an Olympic athlete, top 1.01% in the world, but maybe you have to support yourself.
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Well, we just got a bronze medal for our podcast and someone gave it to me and I said, I can t accept it.
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No, it s not.
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It s bronze.
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And if I m in the Olympics, I don t want the bronze.
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I can, I can understand.
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Like I, I empathize.
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You get it.
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I m like, I don t want the bronze.
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I want the gold.
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There s a paperweight now somewhere.
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You mentioned that you wrote an article for the New York Times.
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What did that look like to get there and why did you decide to pull the trigger on it?
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Yeah, so there were two teammates of mine who were already writing about the same issue with the New York Times.
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And my brother as a manager, he was contributing to the article, but we weren t really putting our name to it.
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And so there was all this stuff that was in the works.
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And my teammate Alicia, she came out with this
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with her piece and I was going through all the things at that time.
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I was going through the renegotiation, I was pregnant, I was like dealing with it all and I remember seeing it and I was like, I have to be a part of this.
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She was a former Nike athlete and she was talking about her experiences and I was current and I was like, this is still happening, this is going on and so I just
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I felt like compelled that I had to do it.
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And I was scared because I was like, I know I want to keep competing and obviously this is going to be an issue.
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But it was just something that I think also I had my daughter during that time.
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She came two months early and spent time in the NICU.
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And I think something about seeing her
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fight and just thinking about like her growing up and her generation.
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I think that was like the push that I needed to say like, I ve got to be a part of this.
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And when it came out, what was that like?
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It was so scary.
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I remember like got published and
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I just didn t know what the reaction was going to be.
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And I think at that time I really cared a lot about what people thought and what it would mean, what the consequences were.
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And so I just remember feeling just really nervous about it.
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I was really overwhelmed with a lot of support.
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Now do you feel like so happy you wrote it?
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Yeah, I do.
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I mean, so much.
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I feel like I m absolutely where I m supposed to be.
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Like, this is what was meant for me.
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At the time, it didn t feel like it.
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And I think the lesson of that was like, you know, you can be fearful about something, but you can still move forward with it.
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Because I never got to this place where it s like, OK, this is comfortable.
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Like, let s press send.
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Like, no, it was terrifying the whole way through.
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But like, change came from it.
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And now I found my voice and I m where I m supposed to be.
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What are some of your favorite things right now?
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Meaning favorite books, favorite beauty products, favorite things that you use with your daughter, like just some things that you re like using all the time.
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Some things I m using all the time.
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This audience loves like beauty makeup hacks.
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Hair, wellness, yeah, wellness.
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Productivity.
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I m such a simple person.
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Any little hacks that you re doing.
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Any little hacks.
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I ve just recently, like, just started meditating, which has been really nice, like waking up, like, before the house and, like, having some time to myself.
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So that s been really nice.
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I do gratitude journal.
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That s, like, been starting my days off well.
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My
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beauty routine is like super simple.
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I use like Cetaphil and Kiehl s and like very basic things.
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With my daughter, let s see, what are we doing right now?
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We re all about like the bath time hacks and like
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All the things that I hate, but she s into like bath paint and there s like bath confetti and bath like pop rocks.
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I thought that would be so fun.
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And then I m like, oh my God, I have to clean up all this every single time they get out of the bath.
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And then their hands and they re underneath their fingernails.
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It s a whole thing.
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But I mean, it is fun for them.
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They like it.
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Yeah.
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She s into it.
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I m not so much.
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I feel as parents, maybe our generation is just much nicer.
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When I think about when I was a child, there was no bath confetti or paint.
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You just took a bath.
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Yeah, maybe.
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I just got thrown in like a body of water.
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Scrub your ears and get out.
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That is true.
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But I think about even like all how delicate all the parents are now.
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I mean, it s I have like a I have like a strobe light that goes in the bath and like like all like all these toys that like it s called a bluey bath.
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Every time I turn around, there s some new light and some new water spraying from somewhere.
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What is what is happening?
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I think about that a lot when I m like if I m having a rough time, like
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with my daughter s sleep schedule.
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And I m like, I don t think this used to be a thing.
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I don t think there was sleep training and all this.
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I m like, they just got through it.
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I just let Daza go to sleep when she s tired.
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That s my sleep schedule.
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It s too much pressure.
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You should see the way she wakes up, it s like soft.
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Michael s being so crazy because he literally puts on 528 frequencies for you when she s asleep.
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That s what I m saying, but when I was a kid, I remember my dad would just come in, the lights would slap on full blast, be like, get out, get out of here, you gotta be ready to go to school in 15 minutes, the bus is down the street.
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I m like, oh my god.
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Well, we like to do bath paint and strobe lights in the bathtub.
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Where can everyone find everything you re working on?
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Shop your shoes.
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What shoes should they start with?
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Tell us everywhere to find you.
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A website is seiche.com.
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It s S-A-Y-S-H dot com.
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I would start with the Felix Runner.
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I think it s the best running shoe made specifically for a woman.
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And we re just really proud of what we re doing.
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We have maternity returns policy where for women, if your foot changes sizes due to pregnancy, we ll give you your new size.
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No questions asked.
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That is cool.
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Yeah, we re trying to do things differently.
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That s a really cool policy.
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I never even thought of that.
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Yeah, we re really trying to push the industry to go and just like another way to like see women.
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Really cool.
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For plantar fasciitis, which one?
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The Felix Runner?
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The Felix Runner.
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Yeah, it s going to be that comfort.
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Hopefully it ll be very cloud-like.
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I think you ll enjoy it.
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Nothing hotter than a little plantar fasciitis on a Thursday morning.
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I think you ve got to get your running stride down a little bit.
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I don t know that I m a great runner.
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Get some ice on it.
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Get like a golf ball.
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Yeah, like roll it.
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You re supposed to hit with the heel first, right?
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Is that when you run?
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I mean, I don t even think about it.
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She just runs.
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But I do think that s the technical.
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I would love to see you guys do a race.
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I mean, I think in this state, this would be the time.
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I think you could be in any state and still just destroy.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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I think you could be in a wheelchair and still do it.
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Allison, thank you so much for coming on.
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You re very inspiring and I can t wait to shop your shoes.
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Thank you guys for having me.
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Thank you.