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Andrew.
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Hello?
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Yo.
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Andrew?
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Yeah?
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What s up, Andrew?
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How can I get you today?
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Nothing, just... Crazy to talk to you, man.
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It s a real pleasure.
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You know, I really envy you, man.
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You know, it s just a Monday night, and you re... And you re gecked up all the way, man.
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Have we spoken before, Andrew?
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No, this is my first time calling.
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I ve been listening for a long time.
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cool man thanks it s uh it s cool that people it s cool i m getting to talk to new people after all this time um why do you envy me because you just uh you seem relaxed you know you seem like uh really
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Like you re enjoying your life at the moment, you know?
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I want to- I- I- Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity, because I need you to know.
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And I hope- You know- You know, I- I- I compare myself to other people all the time.
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Everyone does.
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Everyone- You know, it s a natural habit to compare yourself to other people.
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And I-
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I don t want to be positioning myself on this show as if I m not going insane all the time.
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Because I am, Andrew.
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I m going insane.
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A lot of stuff happens behind the curtains, you know?
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Right, right.
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I m going insane all the time.
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So I guess the idea that you would envy me, the idea that you would look at me and go, man, I wish I could have it all figured out like that guy.
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bothers me because I don t want you to be in some envious state of something that doesn t even exist and using that to feel bad about yourself.
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I think you re just downplaying yourself, bro.
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I get you, I get the message.
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No, I m not downplaying myself, but I m stressed out a lot.
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I feel good right now because I m talking to you and I m actively engaging in an activity that is engaging and not, you know... Idle hands tend to be what makes me anxious and depressed, but...
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I don t know, I just hope I m not giving off a fake idea of myself, because I, you know, I m crazy.
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No, you re good.
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Okay, but what I wanted to talk about tonight, I m going to get straight to the punchline.
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My cousin, he married my ex and he might be raising my child.
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I can start from the beginning with that.
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That s so much more interesting than my own neurotic bullshit.
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I m very glad that you cut me off to talk about that.
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Yeah, so I ll just start from the beginning.
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So I met her when I was like, man, she was like my first girlfriend, like first anything.
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I met her when I was 12.
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We got together when I was 12, actually.
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At the time, I wasn t really thinking about females and stuff like that.
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So when we had gotten together, yeah, she really kind of showed me the ropes, basically.
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We were together for a while, like about a year or two.
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You know, the relationship got played out or whatever, eventually.
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We had ended up breaking up, and she ended up fucking with some of my homies.
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messing around with some of my homies.
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I really didn t care because we had already broken up.
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You know how that goes.
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Females, it d be whatever.
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Yeah.
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After that, I really didn t talk to her for a while.
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For about a year or two after that, she had hit me up out of the blue and I didn t
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I didn t think much of it.
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You know, I started talking to her or whatever at the time.
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I was, I was maybe like 15 at the time.
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So I really didn t think much of it.
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It was just like a friendly kind of conversation.
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Um, she had kind of like told me she was with a new guy and stuff like that and showed me like pictures and stuff like that.
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Um, but you know, I was her, like her ex.
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I was just like, you know, fuck.
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Whatever, whatever, like he ain t nothing, like he s nothing, I m better, whatever, whoop, whoop, you know how that goes.
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With exes and how it be.
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Yeah, is that a lot?
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Should I slow it down?
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Okay, so what I understand right now is that you are, how old are you right now?
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Right now I m 18.
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Okay, and as far as I- So this was young, but
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What I understand right now is that you had a girlfriend since you were 12, you dated her for about three years, and then you broke up when you were 15?
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Uh, we broke- uh, nah, not about 15, I was about maybe thir- uh, 14.
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Yeah, around there.
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And she breaks up with you and then she hits you back up and shows you that there s a new guy, and she s like showing you pictures of her new boyfriend?
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Yeah, you know, just like, whatever, cocky shit, shooting the shit, um,
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Not really, like, too personal, but whatever I had hit her with, you know, come over, whatever, spend some time.
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You know, I was young, so I really didn t, I really didn t care about what was going on in her life or anything like that.
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But yeah, she ended up staying the night.
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You know, monkeys jumped in the bed, stuff happened.
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We really didn t, we really didn t talk after that.
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Fast forward, like, I honestly, I don t know the timing.
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I wish I did.
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I wish I paid attention more because I just, I don t know, I didn t pay attention.
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I would say about a year later, I had some family on my mother s side that I didn t really know.
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They threw a party and invited us, right?
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You have to speak, right?
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I m listening.
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I m listening.
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I m with you.
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Okay.
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So I pull up to the party.
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I don t know nobody except for like the one family member, like the one, my cousin I pull up with.
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I see her in the family crowd.
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I was like, the first thing that came to my mind, I was like, God, please do not let her be my cousin.
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I was like, that would be the most horrible thing in the world if she was my cousin.
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It s terrible.
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That was racing through my mind for a minute.
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I didn t really want to say anything or go up to her because I didn t want to bring it up to anyone or let anyone know.
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Um, you know, come to find out she was with my cousin.
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So she, she wasn t my cousin, thankfully, thankfully.
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So, but I found out that they were together and that they had a baby together.
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I was like, damn.
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That s crazy.
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And the baby, they had him with her and the baby was like two months old, I would say.
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It was like a little tiny little alien thing still.
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Yeah, it was crazy.
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I really didn t talk to her or him at that little get together.
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It was more like a wow factor to me.
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I really didn t want to bring it up.
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But yeah, and they got after that, go ahead.
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I m sorry, you sound like you re about to.
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And you think this baby might be yours?
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Well, I m not sure.
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I m not sure because, you know, he s my cousin.
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And we re like, we re kind of closely related to each other.
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Can I ask you an unsavory question?
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Yeah.
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When the, as you say, monkeys were jumping in the bed,
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By the way, you know what s funny is you have- you re like, you have this like cool guy way that you talk and then you kind of ruined it by saying monkeys jumping in the bed so you should eliminate that from your vocabulary to achieve the ultimate cool guy thing.
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I don t know, I didn t want to know how explicit you wanted me to get in that.
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It s alright, it s alright.
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When you did that, did you cum in this woman s vagina?
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I don t believe so, cause you know, pull out game strong.
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I don t believe so, but I know for a fact I did not use protection.
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But I know I pulled out.
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Did you have- Okay, so you didn t use protection, but you pulled out.
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Yes.
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So you have no... You saying that you think you might have had- You saying that you think this baby between your ex and your cousin is yours is based off of... Sort of nothing.
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I mean...
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The timing kind of lined up to me.
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I mean, it is kind of, sort of nothing, but at the end of the day, if it ain t my kid, she is my ex and she s kind of married to my cousin.
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They got papers and everything and they re having a second child on the way.
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So in that kind of factor is kind of a wow factor of the story as well.
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But yeah,
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Are you upset about this?
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Do you still like your ex?
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Not upset.
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More of surprising.
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Like a wow factor.
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I couldn t care less about them.
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I don t care about my ex.
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She s kind of a whore.
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To this day, she still tries to talk to me.
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Really?
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Are you close with are you close with your are you close with your cousin?
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No, not at all.
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I talked to him um That s crazy.
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I talked to him one time at another occasion at another party and the first thing he told me was he came up to me, and he was like Because he he s where I m hispanic so They were like come from like a real poor kind of neighborhood um So the way he talks is kind of funny.
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He was like
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He s like, hey, I know you used to fuck with my bitch, eh?
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I was like, first thing, I was like, hold on.
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I was like, first of all- See, this guy, see, you re trying to talk, just before you continue, you re trying to talk cool right now, but it sounds like your cousin talks a little bit cooler than you.
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Uh, I m, maybe.
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I mean, he s, he s, he s, he s something, I don t know.
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Go ahead, go ahead, say what your cousin said.
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Um, yeah, he s like, I know you used to fuck with my bitch.
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I was like, all right, first of all, um, I don t care about her.
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We did used to date.
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I was like, but that s, that s your, that s your baby mama.
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That s, that s all you.
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I don t care.
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And he was like, he s like, nah, I don t care about none of that either.
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Uh, he s like a blood over bitches.
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I was like, oh, okay.
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Um, wow.
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Everybody in this story has made horrible decisions as to who to pitch their life to.
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Yeah, I don t like to associate myself with that side of the family.
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Wait, so your cousin came to you, and he said to you, he said, blood over bitches.
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Yeah, in front of her, too, was the craziest thing that ever happened to me.
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He said it in front of her?
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Yeah, she didn t bite an eye or anything to it, so I don t know.
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That was kind of crazy.
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I mean, we were all drunk, but I m not sure what was going on there.
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Goddamn.
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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Do you think that this woman, do you think this woman fantasizes about a threesome between you and your cousin?
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Oh, a hundred percent.
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Guaranteed.
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Cause I m saying me and him look just alike.
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Kind of weird.
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Um, she has a type.
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That baby.
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I seen, uh, I seen that baby recently, like two weeks ago.
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And it, uh, it looks like me when I was younger.
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That s why I kind of been going with this story.
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Okay, here s the thing the story the story of I think the baby between okay look I guess if you want to you know Sure, it s a little it s a little wild that your exes is married to your cousin right now, but the basis that in this situation The child looking a little bit like you isn t an indicator that it might be yours Yeah, you re right have you ever thought about doing a paternity test I
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Fuck no, I ain t getting no, I m not touching that thing with a 10 foot pole, bro.
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No.
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I do not want to get involved with their life.
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They got a horrible life.
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They re like abusive and stuff like that.
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Yeah, their relationship is horrible.
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Well, what s your, what s your, what s your whole deal, man?
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What s your life like?
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You re 18.
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You have, what do you, what s your thing?
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I, uh, I moved out of my, uh, I lived in New Mexico, uh, until recently, up until about January, I moved out to Wisconsin, actually.
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Um, I moved out here with my brother.
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Okay.
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What do you guys do?
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Uh, he s a truck driver.
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I, uh, I just kind of, I m working at Planet Fitness.
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I m a manager at Planet Fitness.
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Do you have a good relationship with your brother?
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Yeah, definitely.
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We re real close.
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I really, yeah, he s really the only family member I talked to.
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Like I said, I grew up in like a really rough area.
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My brother got out before me.
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He moved out here like four or five years ago.
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And he had been telling me like, I got my own place, I ll move you out here, stuff like that.
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So I really, I really didn t think about it until finally I had talked to like a couple of homies and stuff like that.
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And they were like, if I had the opportunity just to
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Restart a whole new life.
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I would take it and that really made me think about it.
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I finally took it Now started my life What s are you cool with with your parents at all or do they suck?
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No, absolutely not.
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I uh, my father lives out here, but he s an absolute dirtbag.
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I My mother she I she s a drug addict in the streets.
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I really don t talk to her at all I was raised by my grandparents
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I talk to them.
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I got a good relationship with them.
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My grandfather lives in Mexico.
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He lives in Chihuahua, Mexico.
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I talk to him.
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I go out there sometimes.
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That s pretty lit.
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And so you have started a new life with your brother in Wisconsin.
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Do you have your own place now?
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I m sorry if you already said this before and I zoned out, but where in Wisconsin are you?
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Milwaukee.
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Yeah, Milwaukee.
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I live with my brother.
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It s me and him and his girlfriend.
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Cool.
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Cool, cool, cool.
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Are you feeling optimistic about life?
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It sounds like you had a pretty rough start.
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I m not sure.
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Whenever I moved out here, like I said, I m 18.
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So I dropped out of high school.
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COVID kind of really fucked it up.
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When COVID hit, I was in eighth grade middle school, which is crazy to think.
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It s a long, long time from now.
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Yeah, it really fucked me up.
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Kind of sent me back a couple grades with the online.
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I never really did that.
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Stuff like that.
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So I dropped out, moved out here.
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I definitely want to get my GED, but I m not really sure.
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Yeah, I ve been recently, I ve been in like a really kind of tough mind space.
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Just because moving to, you know, like a whole new space.
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My family really don t talk to me no more.
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I really don t got nobody to talk to.
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I work third shift, so it s pretty lonely.
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Do you have any friends?
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No, I don t know nobody.
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I don t really talk to nobody.
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I m a little bit afraid to ask this question because I... What podcasts do you listen to?
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There s a handful of podcasts.
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You know, one of the most, the greatest I like to watch is yours truly.
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who I m on the phone with, who I have the pleasure of speaking to.
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Oh, thanks, brother.
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Thanks, man.
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I really like, I ve been back watching a lot of Theo Vaughn s podcast.
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Cool.
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That s a really nice one.
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I ve seen him in a theater recently.
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He s amazing.
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Joe Rogan, a couple of conspiracy podcasts here and there.
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I ve been liking Jacksepticeye s podcast recently.
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Oh, cool.
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I never heard of him.
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Yeah, it was top charts for about like a month or so.
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Yeah, I stay watching that when it comes out.
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So, okay, so you re feeling a little bit like lonely.
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Yeah, lonely.
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I try Tinder.
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I m not sure if it s my profile or if I don t.
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It s hard.
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I really don t get back to it on there.
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Yeah, the dating apps are difficult.
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Yeah.
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Working third shift is kind of tough to even talk to like friends or anything like that too.
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So it s kind of kind of odd.
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What about your brother?
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Does he have friends?
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Does he have like a gang?
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Nah, he just really is him and his girlfriend really.
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He s a truck driver.
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We really don t be doing anything like that either.
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Yeah, I ve been playing a lot of video games lately.
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What games?
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PS5 mostly.
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It gets kind of boring though after a while, it gets repetitive, you know?
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So I guess you said you want to get your GED, that s one of your big goals?
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I mean yeah, I mean I m kind of...
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aiming to but um Yeah, I want to for sure um Yeah, like I said lately, I ve just been in a kind of rough headspace, you know, uh Yeah Kind of like you said kind of loneliness Yeah, well it sounds like it sounds like you uh have been through a lot as you ve grown up
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Yeah, when I was, uh, when I was younger, I grew up on a farm with like no water and no power and stuff like that.
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So really, I really kind of came from, and my mother was a drug addict and stuff like that.
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So it was really kind of like coming from nothing, like really coming from the dirt, really didn t have like shoes, grew up on sandals, stuff like that.
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Do you have kind of like an idea of, of what you want life to look like?
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I mean, to me,
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Cause you know, like you said, people kind of set, um, like imaginary personalities that they have, like their life is kind of perfect.
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Um, I m on social media a lot, so I kind of see what quote unquote a good life is.
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And I know that s unachievable for like 99% of people.
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So for me, like a good life would maybe be like owning some land in, in like a forest or like Colorado having a house.
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you know having some animals maybe that s a good goal that s a good goal yeah pretty reasonable if you ask me how do you start that how do you start a farm uh i m not sure that s a good one i d have to ask my grandpa about that
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My, whenever we lived on the farm, he built it out of adobe, actually.
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So basically out of mud and hay.
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We lived in New Mexico.
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So that s kind of like, like native there for like older people, like older generation.
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So it was kind of a unique way of living.
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And growing up, we had a whale and stuff.
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We had like sheep, goats, pigs, stuff like that.
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Pretty lit, pretty lit.
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Oh, yeah, yeah lonely.
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This is the I m very I m See, okay back back to the very beginning back to the very beginning where I was complaining about my own neurotic life and You were telling me that you envied it and then you were like Hey, let s talk about my ex-girlfriend fucking my cousin, which was a good that was a better train of thought than what I was talking about but I
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Yeah, dude.
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I struggle with that too.
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I struggle with trying to figure out how to you know not stay inside playing video games all the time and Do stuff.
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I m lucky that by nature of this gecko thing I m afforded many opportunities to go be out and about amongst you know the universe Yeah, you know that that s why I say I envy you you know because you go on tour you go to this place Yeah, and you know and you know and you know
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I cherish the fuck out of those experiences and they re great, but I just finished this like...
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55 whatever city tour around the world and it was such a magical beautiful thing, but then When I got back, and I was back in like day-to-day life.
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I was like ah fuck.
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I didn t really uh Create any community Where I actually am and I got to start from scratch on you so you know I don t I don t really know what to make of that, but I
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That s that that s my that s my personal goal right now, and especially you know now.
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I m gonna move Back across the country How to how to create Community because it s it s weird right.
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It s like what I did was the was like some kind of height of of a magical Thing of like I m gonna travel the world and meet all these people and do all this stuff, and I did that But now I m like huh what is what is a?
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Now I m like at the bottom.
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Now I m like, oh, I sit inside and play video games all day.
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So I m like, well, how do I get my life to be somewhere in a middle ground?
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Yeah, I feel like that s kind of just what humanity has kind of struggled with forever.
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Like if you kind of look for, look at a lot of like the emperors and stuff back in the day, that s what they kind of did too.
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Like they had their own kingdom and they weren t happy with this.
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So they wanted to get bigger, you know, grow.
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Um, but I feel like that s good that you kind of,
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succeeded in what you re trying to do and you still have the drive to wanna do more and push to go further in your life, you know?
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That s a drive that, you know, a lot of people don t have, um, don t wanna have.
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Thanks, man.
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This has been kind of like, um, we re like going back and forth therapying each other.
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Yeah, that s nice.
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I really don t like, um, talking
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Much about feeling feelings about myself.
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So it s nice.
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It s been a real honor talking you get you know, I m a real I m a terrorist this moment Thanks forever Thanks, man.
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Um, what s your Andy, right?
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Andrew Andrew Andrew nice to meet you, man Look, you seem like a good guy.
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It seems I guess I said alright, but it seems like you ve been a lot yeah, I said I said look it seems like you ve been through a lot and I
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Keep, uh... Keep your head up, man.
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I think... You know, don t try to take over the whole fucking universe at once, and... I think you ll eventually find some form of good life in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, one thing that I like to tell myself every day that helps me through loneliness and, you know, like, suicidal thoughts and stuff like that is
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You can t use, you can t, I m sorry, you can t use a permanent solution for a temporary problem.
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Yeah, there you go, I m sorry.
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Permanent solution for a temporary problem.
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Yes, I m a little high right now, but yeah.
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Yeah, man.
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I hope you re alright, man.
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Yeah, you know, get through it.
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Um, like you said, I envy you a lot.
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And like you say, it s not, everything s not perfect.
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So no matter if you have money, no matter how it goes, there s always going to be problems in your life.
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I hope you try.
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I know you re saying that right now, but I hope you truly, truly understand it because I, I, even after like, you know, it s hard to, but now that I m saying it out loud to you, you know, it s kind of easier to get over a hundred percent.
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Um,
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Okay, cuz I m gonna tell you I ve achieved like when I was 18 I mean yeah, did this was yes seven years ago when I was 18 it feels weird to say when I was your age, but When I was your age, I very much dreamed about doing all of the things that I m doing now and having things and you know I I dreamed I dreamed about living the life and
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That I sometimes get to live.
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And I still have many, many problems.
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And you know what I m still doing?
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I m still in my head thinking about... I m still in my head dreaming about other lives and thinking about how in those other lives I won t have problems.
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So I haven t even really learned that lesson.
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I hope you understand that, and I hope that... Yeah, of course.
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It s nice to hear that.
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It s nice to hear someone like you, you know, um, some random, can come up and build, you know, a podcast and a platform like this.
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Um, and follow their dreams, you know?
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I hope that, uh, in the understanding of all of that, you re like, you know what, let me just take today to be stoked on the fact that I m not starving to death and the sun is up, you know?
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Of course.
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Of course.
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I ve been there, so you know, every day above that is a good one.
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Anything else you want to say to the people at the computer before we go, Andrew?
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Don t overwork yourself and love yourself.
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Have a good one, bro.
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Take care, man.
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You as well.
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Call from... Joy?
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Hello?
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Hello?
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Hey.
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Oh my God.
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Hi.
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What s up?
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Very cool.
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It s I ve probably I ve probably said this recently, but I ll say it again.
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I ve been doing this podcast for over three years, just over three years.
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And it is really, really, really cool to me that still new people that I ve never talked to are calling in because I thought to myself, I m like, if I do this for, you know,
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I don t know how long I can do this before I m just going to keep talking to the same people, so happy to hear from you.
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Yeah, it s great.
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So, what is your name?
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I m Joy.
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Joy, what s going on?
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How s life?
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Um, life is good.
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I m finishing my last year of school, and now I m like stressed out, so I m like, oh, I don t know what I m going to do after school.
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What did you study?
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I am studying illustration.
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Um... How much student debt are you in?
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Well, um... Let s see, what should you do after school?
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You could... I don t know, you could walk around.
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I d like to do more than walk.
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I want to go into children s book illustration.
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That s like my goal.
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Yeah, but you gotta, but just you keep in mind you gotta walk around to get there.
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I know, I know.
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You gotta like walk to the... Actually, you know what?
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I think you can become a children s book publisher without having to walk ever.
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Ever?
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Yeah, you could just, well, are you at your computer right now?
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Yeah.
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Do you have a tablet that you can illustrate stuff?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I don t think you, I think you could theoretically create your entire career without having to get up from your chair ever.
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Maybe, I mean, you d have to walk to get food and stuff, but you could do everything without having to get up.
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Yeah, I mean, a lot of, like, I guess I was taught, like, oh, the best thing that you can do is, like, draw from life.
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It s like encouraged to go out and draw from like your surroundings and stuff So I guess I was that if I was at my computer, I won t get that experience which might hinder my ability to be at my Fullest potential, you know, look man, whatever pretentious fuck said that has never heard of Google Images Anything that could possibly inspire you you can look up and look at pictures of on Google and
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I guess that s fair, yeah.
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What do you, what kind of, give me, can I hear a pitch for one of your children s books?
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Um, my thesis, I m working on like, he s a little star creature, and he s like in the galaxy, and then he falls from the sky, and he lands on Earth, and then he s lost, and then he finds like a family in a home.
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Is the family freaked the fuck out, or are they like, oh, this is cool?
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They re like, oh, this is cool.
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It s like, oh, this is so nice.
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I like that.
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How does it end?
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Does the star get back to the space, or does he hang out with the family?
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No, he s with the family, so it s supposed to be an adoption story.
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From my own personal experience, I m an adoptee, so he s kind of like the representation of an adoption to a new family, like his forever home.
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This kind of reminds me of Lilo and Stitch, except the star seems like he s not, like, an asshole.
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And Stitch is kind of an asshole.
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There s a lot of stories with, like, sound family of, like, you know, an outer world creature or, like, character that, like, goes into, like, a sound family or, like, a new family.
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And I gravitate towards those stories, so I d like to make one of my own someday.
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If you want to tell us, what s the analogy from your own life?
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What happened with you?
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Um, I am a adoptee from China.
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So I was adopted in China when I was like, a baby.
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And then I moved to America.
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And, you know, it has its craziness of like, um, you know, I don t really fit in like, white American, but I also don t really fit in with like, Asian American, like Chinese culture, because I m like, in that middle ground of like, you know, I didn t grow up with
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the traditions and stuff of, you know, people that were grew up with, I guess, surrounded by those in that culture.
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So I ve like separated that from, I m also not, you know, fully American.
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So it s like that weird, like, I feel like I don t belong either way, which kind of sucks.
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So like the book that I m working on is supposed to kind of be like, for kids who are struggling with like that idea, it s like, oh, it s okay that you re not, you know,
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fit into one part, as long as you have a family that loves you no matter where you are, it doesn t matter.
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And I feel like that s an important thing that adopted me to learn.
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Because I was, my parents read a lot of children s books to me of that kind of idea.
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And then like, you know, like movie Lone Stitch and all that like showed like, you can be family no matter what you are.
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How old were you when you were adopted?
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Oh, wee baby, I don t know.
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Oh, baby.
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Did you ever do the thing of trying to figure out who your biological parents are?
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Or is that not interesting to you?
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It s been in the back of my mind.
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I don t know if I thought about it.
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I haven t done anything of that process, but I ve thought about it.
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I guess it would fill that little hole in me if I want to venture out and find them.
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But it s not as important because I love my family here.
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You know, I think I d like to go back to China, like maybe after school and I have like some time and I m like, yeah, like go back to China.
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Have you ever been to China?
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I was there.
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So my sister s also an adoptee.
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So when I was like eight or whatever, we went to China and got her.
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So I ve been to China before, but I don t remember much.
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I was like little.
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Is there like a, is there a reason why people adopt babies from China instead of just like from down the street?
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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I couldn t tell you.
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I like, I know there s a lot of like, I have a few friends that are also adoptees and stuff.
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And it s like, yeah, I don t know.
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When you go to China, so you didn t even, you weren t remotely a conscious being while you were there.
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You were just a baby.
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Yeah, I might have been like a few months, but yeah, I don t know.
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I don t remember much.
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But yet you were born to two Chinese people.
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So like, but yet you grew up like totally like American.
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When you go to China, do you like, do you feel anything?
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Uh.
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Like when I go or like when I went?
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When you went?
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I don t know.
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I mean, I was with my family, so like they probably saw me and was like, oh, that s their child.
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I don t think I also, when I was that young, kind of had the brain capacity of the complexity of like feeling different like that.
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I didn t really think much about it.
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But now that I m older and I have that like relation and I learn more about it, I m like, ah.
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If I went now, I d probably feel like different.
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I don t think I felt much when I was little.
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I don t remember that.
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How old were you last time you went?
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Like eight or nine.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, now you re like an adult.
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I guess.
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I don t remember much from when I was eight or nine.
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Where in China do you want to go to?
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Um, I don t know.
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Specifically where I m from, I guess, or where I was, where I was from.
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Guangzhou, I think it was.
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Um, but I d like to go there, but now we re really specific, I guess.
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Hmm.
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Um, I d like to go to China too.
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It seems cool.
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Yeah.
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There s like a crazy like, um... Every time I m on- Every time I m on Instagram and I see like wild Blade Runner type architecture shit, it s always from China.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh, uh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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What s the- Can you- Do you- Do you know any Chinese?
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I took Chinese in high school.
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I have not picked it up since, which is really bad, and I should.
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And like,
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My partner speaks and his family speaks like Cantonese like I should learn I should just learn Cantonese like I don t like so and I m in New York so like with Chinatown everything I m also kind of absorbing I guess that culture through that and like being surrounded by people and like speaking the language, but I should I should figure You could do You could do one of those apps
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I know, I tried Duolingo for a hot minute, and then everyone s like, nah, Duolingo s not good for Chinese.
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You gotta go on like...
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Someone else was like, oh, okay.
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So then I just never looked into other- What about, what about Babble?
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What s Babble?
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Oh, um, they re another one of those apps.
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Okay.
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Is he, they also have a silly mascot like Duolingo?
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No, they don t.
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Everyone needs kind of a silly mascot.
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Everyone needs a silly green mascot if anyone s hiring.
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I agree.
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Like you, you re a green mascot.
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I am a green mascot.
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What s your name again?
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Joy.
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Joy.
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Hmm.
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I feel like I got, I feel like I, I, I got a well-rounded brief window into your life over the course of these 10 minutes.
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Yeah.
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I didn t expect to go into that deep, but yeah, this is, this is great.
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Hmm.
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What s next for you, Joy?
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Or I guess that s what you re trying to figure out.
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That s what I m figuring out.
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Yeah.
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I m going to work on my project and
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After school, I guess I m just gonna work and hopefully things work out for me, and I you know I d love to illustrate my own books and stuff and hopefully they get noticed and If I could leave you with some parting words From my own personal experience Lately even
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I hope that the stress of figuring out what to do next does not distract you from the most important fucking thing, which is to actually make stuff.
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Mm-hmm.
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I agree, yeah.
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That happens to me all the time.
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I m thinking too much about the big picture, whatever the fuck, all kinds of things that I don t make anything, you know?
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Yeah, definitely.
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I get scared, like, when I get out of college, I m, like, gonna work, and I m not actually gonna make things.
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I m just gonna, like, worry about
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you know, living, which like sucks, but I hope to keep, you know, doing what I love and being able to share that with people.
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That s important to me.
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If you illustrated a child, and the child came to life, and robbed you, of $20.
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If you illustrated a child, and the child came to life, and robbed you for $20 at gunpoint, would you go, you know what?
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I don t think I m gonna make books for children anymore.
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Children are kind of assholes.
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Um... I d be more concerned about why he has a gun, but I d be...
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I, you know, I d be like, man, that just happened to me.
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That sucks.
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Joy?
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Yeah.
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Is there anything else you want to say to the people of the computer before we go?
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Tell your loved ones you love them.
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It s important.
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And before I leave, Gex, you know, you know, in New York, you know, your New York show.
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Yeah.
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Wait, did you, were you there?
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Yeah, I was the person that gave you a drawing.
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OH SHIT I TOTALLY REMEMBER THAT DRAWING, I TOTALLY HAVE THAT DRAWING, I TOTALLY REMEMBER YOU.
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I m not even trying to be a dick right now, I m being 100% serious.
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I remember that drawing, I remember you.
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Wait a minute, didn t you- tell me if I m wrong, or if I remember this wrong.
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Weren t you with two friends, and you said to me like- You were with two friends?
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No, I was with one friend.
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Okay, I remember, and tell me if I m wrong, but did you say like, I don t know you that well, but my friend does, and I m just discovering you now?
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No.
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No, I did not say that.
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That wasn t you?
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I ve been watching you for years now.
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Is it, which, which fuck, um... Hmm.
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The Gramercy Theatre?
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Not the Brooklyn Theatre.
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Oh, is it the Gramercy?
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Yeah.
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Oh shit, I was thinking about the Bell House.
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Okay, I m sorry, maybe, I m sorry that I, if I don t remember.
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No, you re good, you re good.
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Hold on, hold on.
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You ve been to a lot of places, I don t blame you.
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Man, dude.
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Hell.
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Yeah, what would you think it?
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What d you think of that show you remember that turkish guy?
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The doctor cantaloupe or whatever thing honeydew.
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Yeah, dr. Honeydew That was insane Well, yeah, thanks for um wait was there Fuck was there a part two to that thing about the live show or oh?
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No, I just I just want to mention I was the person I gave you a drawing at that show And I wanted to call in because I was like, yeah, wait, what was the draw?
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Was it just a drawing of me?
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I wish I I m not yeah, I I m not at my that all all the drawings from that leg of the the tour I I think I have that one at my At my mom s house.
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So I m gonna take a look at that next time there Yeah, just you sitting and you talking and stuff
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Dude, fuck yeah.
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Thanks for taking the time out of your day to draw me doing stuff.
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Of course.
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I wish it was more elaborate, but I was like... I was happy I was able to do it, so... Any more elaborate, it would have disgusted you.
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No!
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No, no!
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The scales would have been slimy, it would have been too much.
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You don t have scales, you re like plush.
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That s like, that s like nice to draw.
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Yeah.
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Uh, Joy, thanks very much, man.
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And, uh, good luck on your, on your children s book dreams and on your dreams of all kinds.
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This is lovely.
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It s made my night.
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Thank you so much.
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Have a good night, dude.
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You too.
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Joy was a joy.
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I wonder how many fucking times she s heard that before, but it s true.
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Hello?
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Yo, what s up, man?
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Dude, you re shitting me.
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Oh, fuck.
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Yo.
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Yo.
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Yo, I, um, am I, I m on stream right now?
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You re still streaming, I m assuming.
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Uh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I m here.
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I m ready.
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Holy fuck.
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Okay.
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I just got really, really nervous, bro.
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Oh my god.
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Oh my god.
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Alright.
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What s up, man?
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What s going on?
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What s going on?
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I m feeling... You re excited enough for two of us.
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Alright.
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Okay.
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Man.
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Dude.
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Alright.
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So.
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So.
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Hi.
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What s... Holy fuck, bro.
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My heart is just like racing.
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I know you have a rule not to look at chat, so I m not even actually tuned into the stream.
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I was playing a whole different game with like a few of my friends.
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So like, it s just you and I right now, man.
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It s just you and me, man.
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Your name is, you texted me, you said your name is Rubix, you re 24 years old, and I m gonna just start this off.
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You, okay, so, our last podcast, entitled I Am A Speed Demon,
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I was on the phone for a while with a guy named Deffy and he put his like phone number in the stream chat and you texted me to say that you texted the guy from the Speed Demon podcast and that you and him are going to ride motorcycles together this weekend.
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This weekend, yeah, yeah.
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Isn t that crazy?
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No, yeah, that was
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So he actually shouted me out.
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He said, Oh, this one guy in chat, uh, you know, posted, Oh, I love ride in Chicago too.
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Cause that s what I posted in the chat.
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I was like, Oh, I ride in Chicago too.
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Like let s meet up.
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He put his phone number down.
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I reached out to him and I was like, yo, like.
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This is cool and it just happened to be pretty cool.
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So yeah, I plan on writing with him this weekend.
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What questions do you have?
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Well, okay, but the whole fucking thing, the whole thing of that podcast was that him, it was a terrible thing that he was doing.
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Yeah.
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It was really bad.
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So it s funny, we talked about this a little bit.
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He was like, yeah, that guy was shitting on me, but I guess he just doesn t get it.
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And I was like, it s not an easy thing to get, you know?
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Oh, he said that I was shitting on him?
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Yeah.
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I was, I was shitting on him a little bit.
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I don t know if I was shitting on him.
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No, no, no, no.
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I wasn t shitting on him.
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I like him.
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He s a cool guy.
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I was shitting on the act.
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I was relentlessly shitting on the activity.
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It s a terrible activity.
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Okay, Lyle, but like, this is my thing, right?
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I think, um,
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It s funny.
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I m like semi-passionate like of like kind of like video creation and stuff like that.
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And a video idea I ve always wanted to do is like explain why people ride motorcycles, right?
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Just like Defy, like I had a, I have a group of friends that I also ride with, right?
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And I think we all have like a different reason as to why we ride.
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And I think that every, and I think, I think Defy said this too, everyone, at least,
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I got this from you, you never tell people what they should do, but should experience, as I say should, should experience what it s like to be on a motorcycle.
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It is truly like, I don t know if life changing is the word, but it s really cool.
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Okay, here s the thing.
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This is just gonna be a repeat of the last podcast.
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Being on a motor, I don t have an issue with riding a motorcycle, but riding a motorcycle
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150 miles an hour down the highway is a terrible idea No, it s fun.
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It s fun.
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There s a sense of like so alright, buddy What s gonna happen my friend when you you re gonna crash your car.
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You re gonna kill yourself You re gonna kill somebody else.
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It s a terrible fucking idea.
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You re not gonna kill it.
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It s a terrible idea.
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Oh
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Odds that you kill somebody else is pretty low.
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Odds that you kill yourself, pretty high.
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So I think, right, I think that there is a sense of like, when you re going one, all right, immediately, I ve never been 150.
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I think the fastest I ve gone is probably like 100.
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Like my bike doesn t go too fast, right?
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But when you re going that fast, right?
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You re not thinking about any of that.
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Like, okay, I see what you re saying.
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Objectively, it makes sense.
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Rubix, that s... Do you know what you... Hold on, shut up for a second.
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Do you know what you just said to me?
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Do you know what you just said?
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You said... I said, it s a terrible idea because you re gonna kill yourself or somebody else.
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And you said, well, it s actually not because when you re doing it, you re not even thinking about the fact that you re gonna kill yourself or somebody else.
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That s what you just said.
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And whatever, I don t, you know, look, if you want to, you know, go die, that s your prerogative in life.
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Um, you know, I mean, okay.
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You know?
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Okay.
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All right.
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So, all right.
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You know what, can I, I ll meet you in a minute.
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One, one 50 to one 80 is crazy.
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All right.
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That is, that is, I would, I would even, even like a hundred plus, it s like kind of crazy, you know?
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Um,
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But I think just the idea of writing, we all have our own reasons.
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Yo, you know what s crazy?
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What s also crazy, at least to me, is you go to your 9 to 5, and you come home, you watch TV, and you repeat that cycle for 80 years.
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That s crazy.
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Right.
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I agree.
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We have to go to the point where we risk our lives.
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Right.
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Why?
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Why?
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Why do you live it?
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Why do you live?
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Why do you and Daffy live in this binary universe where you re either sitting on the computer all day or out wreaking havoc upon the roads?
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There s more than two things to do in life.
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Anyway, Rubix, I m not gonna continue to fight you on this, but... No, no, you know what?
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I actually appreciate the challenge of this.
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My friends all say the same thing.
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Yeah, your friends are all right, and you should listen to them.
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Because they don t want to go to your funeral.
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But I don t know, I think that we have... I can t speak for Duffy, but at least for me, I ve been through plenty of life experiences where
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Um, I, I think I ve almost boiled it down to like, it s, it s one or the other.
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Like I, it s not that I don t appreciate the little things and like the things that come in between a calmer lifestyle.
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Right.
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But, um, I think that, uh, yeah, I feel like, I don t know.
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I feel like I hang around with my friends or I hang around with people.
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It s, it seems like that.
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It just seems like that, that binary, or I don t know what word you use.
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Um, but like that it s two ends.
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It s either like,
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All right, you re gonna just be settled, chill, and like boring, or you can do exciting things.
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You can either be settled, chill, or boring, or you can just put a ton of people and yourself at risk of being crushed by a car in the road.
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That s hard to argue against, when you put it like that.
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It is.
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Anyway, do you do anything else in your life, Rubix?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So, well,
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done a lot of things, man.
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So I m 24, so I graduated college.
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In college, I was like doing a lot of stuff with like our athletic department.
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So like I would do that.
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I think just after college, life just got like too, I don t think mundane for me, you know, I ve been, I ve been like, I don t know, dude, like my I hate talking about my life.
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Like it s been it s just been a crazy, like crazy
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dance of where I m at now.
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I have two cats that I really love and I think they re pretty cool.
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I don t know, I think my life, I go to the gym a lot.
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I do things in life, but honestly, I ve jumped out of a plane before.
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Even that is way safer to me than the stupid motorcycle thing.
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I mean, yeah, I agree.
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I agree.
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I hope you guys I you know, I m glad that you guys made friends because of this podcast And I see I m on reddit all the time watching fucked up videos for you know, just to bring just to bring some form of chemicals to my brain and so I see all kinds of Like I there s somebody there s somebody I watched on
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I think I literally watched a video on Reddit that said something like Reality hits asshole in the face after he crashes driving 120 miles on his motorcycle down the highway and it s just like a GoPro video of a guy driving his motorcycle 120 miles down the highway and he gets into a crash and you can see his like
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You can see his, like, brains and guts, like, just, like, get slathered against the road.
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Why do you do it?
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Fuck you!
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Why do I watch it?
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Why do you do it?
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What do you mean?
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Hold on, hold on, shut up, shut up.
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What do you mean?
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What do you mean?
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Why do I watch that?
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You fucking do it.
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I know, but I don t wanna fucking watch it.
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Like, fuck, man.
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Oh my god.
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You fucking do it!
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Okay, I m not as crazy as Jeff.
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I m not as crazy as Jeff.
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I m not as crazy as Jeff, I promise.
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Actually, I think I m a lot more chill when it comes to it, but because my motorcycle doesn t go like that fast also.
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You asked me what I do in my life, can I tell you what I do on the motorcycle?
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Something that brings me joy on it?
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Rubix, I m only saying this to you because I like you.
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If I thought you were an asshole and deserved to die, I would say you should totally continue to ride your motorcycle.
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Can I tell you what I do on it though as I ride through the city?
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Do you juggle knives?
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No, I don t joke on that.
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So I have Spider-Man on my back.
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Like, I have this Spider-Man, like, it s almost like a stuffed animal, but it s Spider-Man.
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It s like Miles Morales, right?
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And I have a Spider-Man motorcycle helmet.
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So then when I ride through the city, it s like 10, you can t really see my face.
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So when I ride through the city, I pass out like Spider-Man stickers to kids and to like people that are also wearing Spider-Man stuff.
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And it just, it brings them so much joy.
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And I think that,
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I personally, I like doing that more than going like a hundred plus miles per hour.
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Like that s crazy.
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You know what?
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Again, I m not as crazy as Defy, so I think that s a little bit better.
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Maybe you and Defy can ride your motorcycle 60 miles an hour around town giving little kids Spider-Man stickers.
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That d be nice.
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Go do that.
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that I will do that.
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I will do that.
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Oh my gosh, I can t believe I m talking to you, man.
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Tell him I said hi, too.
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You know what?
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I will text Defi.
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I wonder if he s listening right now.
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My phone s going crazy, so I m sure this might be him texting.
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But I will tell him that you said hi.
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Here s what I ll do next time next time I m on the internet, and I see crazy motorcycle videos of people getting Getting cheese grated against the highway.
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I ll send them to you
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That s what it is, dude.
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That s what it is.
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That s what s gonna happen.
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You re gonna get cheese-grated across the fucking, um, across the road.
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Why would you wish that upon me?
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I m not wishing it upon you.
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I m not wishing it upon you.
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I m actively campaigning against it, actually.
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That s what I m doing.
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But when it happens, there s gonna be a kid, a splatter of your brain is gonna come on a little kid s Spider-Man sticker and it ll just erase all the joy that you gave him and turn it into trauma and sorrow.
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The kid will never watch Spider-Man again.
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Is that your real name, Rubix?
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No, I just know how to solve a Rubik s Cube.
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I feel like I can do a lot of things in my life and that s what I...
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That s cool.
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What happened to that?
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That s a good hobby.
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I mean, it can only get so far, but you can solve it.
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It s like, and then what, you know, yeah, you can go for time, but I m 24.
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I m not interested in going to any competition with my life right now.
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Let me know.
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Let me know how you re, let me know how you re in Daffy s hang goes.
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If you guys make it.
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do you want to call back in?
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You may text me when you request it.
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Yeah, sure.
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You can call back in.
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You know, I want to say, even taking this call, I was like,
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i m not a big i like my i like my show to be like insular you know what i mean like i don t like uh yeah i don t i don t because you ever like like it will not like repeats but like i don t i m not a big i don t do like part one part two storylines and stuff because like you ever um i m gonna try to explain something that i m gonna sound like i m complaining but you ever listen to a podcast or you re like watching a youtube channel and some guy goes like
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Oh yeah Nick was over yesterday and we were talking about what was going on with Molly and it was crazy and all the comments are like oh my god Nick is so weird and you re like what the fuck is that I don t care about this whole universe.
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Yeah it s like it s like you re supposed to know who everyone and I m like I want if you ve never
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I feel like a lot of stuff on the internet is like that, where it s like you have to be in the lore of the whole universe, and I like, you know, you don t need to know anything going into this stuff.
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But this was nice.
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Sort of.
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No, you know what?
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I really appreciate you even calling me in the first place.
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Like, okay, you know how everybody tells you, right?
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They are like, oh, I ve listened to you for like
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you know, a year or two years and you do the thing, you go, thanks man.
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Right.
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You know how you like that, that typically goes, right?
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Oh yeah.
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So, so I, I have like, I ve been listening to you bro for like the past, I don t know, three ish months and like every day.
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So my job, what I do, like I just drive around, right.
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So I m in my car all the time.
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And, uh, and I, I, I ve, I tuned into you.
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I don t even know what made me start listening to you, but bro, it s like, you ve become my personality.
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Like it s, it s crazy as fuck.
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Like, I would be like, well, if you listen to it, like, my friends will complain about something, but if you listen to Therapeutic Echo, you ll be fine.
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Like, you just boil it down to, like, the simplest shit, and, like, you just go on with your life.
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And I was like, one day I would love to talk to you.
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And you d like you you ve just been you ve been amazing dude.
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I m just like There it is Sorry, I was I was too busy I was too busy getting mad at you for other things that I kept the energy going while you were being nice to me Sorry, I was about to yell at you and go.
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Well, what the hell am I supposed to fucking say?
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Okay, okay last bit We could keep talking
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Um, the, I have to give you a compliment, another compliment.
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Um, a couple episodes ago, or I was using, I don t know if I ll listen to all episodes.
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But you were like, this guy was trying to move to Thailand, or he was just a traveler, and you were like, we ll move to Thailand.
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He was like, what the fuck am I going to do in Thailand?
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And you were like, bro, I don t know.
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I don t know what the fuck we re doing anyway.
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I don t know what the hell we re doing in this life anyway.
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And then, so yo, even now, when you re saying, what the fuck are you doing riding a motorcycle, what the fuck are any of us doing, point blank, period.
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Don t use me again.
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That s not what I, you interpreted a wrong thing from there.
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No, but am I wrong?
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Am I wrong?
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You re very wrong.
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You re 100% wrong.
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Alright, Wild and I, give us your words.
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there s there because there s moving to a foreign country and trying to start a new life and putting yourself out there and trying to make new friends and whatever and that s like a challenge and then there s juggling chainsaws you know and both of those guys could be like well what s anyone doing anywhere no there s what what you re doing it s like it s like juggling chainsaws at a playground where children are running around and so it s a little bit like that
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That no, I disagree.
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I think it s also all relative.
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I think that if you have a person that is, you know, we re talking about that safety lifestyle, like your nine to five and security and things like that, they would, they would view moving to, and I don t want to speak for everybody, but they would view moving to Thailand to start a new life and, and, and start again as juggling chainsaws in, in, in a playground filled with children.
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Like, I think that s relative.
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Well, I ll see you on Reddit Rubix.
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Can you come back, when you come back to Chicago, if Duffy and I are there, can we just like come up on stage?
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Uh, yeah, text, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Come through, we ll try to make it happen.
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That was, you don t have to make that happen, that was just like a, if you want, you know.
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I m gonna come back to Chicago 2024.
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Okay.
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If you re there, I m there.
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Yo, I m pissed, I missed, and everybody said this too, damn, I feel like fucking, I m just part of the machine of Therapy Gecko.
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But I missed your Chicago show because of fucking work.
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I had work, so I couldn t go.
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But I really want to go to your 2024 show for sure.
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I ll be back.
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If I pull up and there s a motorcycle in the parking lot, I ll be like, oh, it s that guy.
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I ll wear my Spider-Man helmet.
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Rubix, is there anything you want to say to the people at the computer before we go?
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Enjoy life.
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I know a couple episodes ago, you also stopped giving advice.
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Enjoy life, everyone.
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It can get crazy, like people, you know, you can experience a lot of different things, but enjoy it and like learn from it.
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And I can t promise you you ll be good, but I promise you ll get somewhere.
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Whether that s like riding a motorcycle or whatever.
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And I guess last thing is go Lions.
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Lions fans.
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Hey, take care, man.
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Thank you.
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Yo, thank you, Lyle.
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SPEAKER_01
Have a good one, dude.
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SPEAKER_01
Hopefully it works.
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SPEAKER_01
See you, dude.
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SPEAKER_00
You know, I liked that guy.
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I just think he was an idiot.
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and uh no offense to him i just think i just well you know okay i m not gonna say he s an idiot i don t think there s anything wrong with driving a motorcycle i just i think if you re riding a motorcycle 150 miles an hour you re an idiot
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I don t know how fast he s going.
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If he s just trolling around town, on the bike, like Wario, and giving stickers to kids, that s cool too.
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SPEAKER_00
I ll see you soon, Rubix.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, maybe we can talk about it in person in Chicago.
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SPEAKER_00
We ll see.
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SPEAKER_02
Taking your phone calls every night.
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Therapy kit goes to his right.
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He s teaching you how to live your life.
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But he s not really an expert.