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 Now, my second highest ranking female executive at MVP.
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Oh my gosh, it gives me chills.
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She is, so she talks about this now.
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And last year, we had Josh Burris, who's the CEO of GNC, and he was listening to a session, she was opening up, she goes, gosh, today's this anniversary of this, this, this, and she starts opening up, and she's like, for the first time, I have brothers who get my back, I have men who get my back, and Josh Burris is like,
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 Oh my God, this person just said all this public.
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Oh my God.
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And he said, I'm donating a million dollars right now.
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Wow.
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To MVP.
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And it was because this woman was so vulnerable and open with us, Andy.
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And she's, she went from homeless to our second highest ranking female executives and she works at Unbreakable too.
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She's amazing.
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So when you, when you turn your,
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 And we just had a Dallas chapter opening.
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She went down there and spoke with me and Dan Quinn, who's a defense coordinator down there, and a bunch of us.
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And Troy Aikman was there, and a bunch of people were there.
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And Andy told her story.
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And afterwards, I said, how do you feel?
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And she said, I feel pretty cool.
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And I said, you're the biggest rock star in this room right now.
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There are people, and she goes, I actually am feeling it.
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And she said, but you know what?
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I deserve to, it was my suffering.
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I'm like, yeah, here you go.
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But that's what I'm saying, like we've all,
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 This isn't heaven where we live, right?
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It's not gonna be perfect.
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We've all had really bad things happen to us.
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We could overcome it, right?
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And we can use it to motivate us, or we could let us just...
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 let it beat us down, and it's easier to let it beat us down, but that can't be the option that I want us to all take.
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But it's more worth it, overcoming it.
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Absolutely.
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Look how good you feel now.
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I know.
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What was the biggest, the first thing you felt like you had to overcome early in life?
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No, it was, so I was tiny.
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It was, growing up in New Jersey, being the smallest one in the room all the time.
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You were getting picked on a lot, probably, yeah.
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Not even, yeah, but,
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 I didn't pick that one, yeah.
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I couldn't fight, but I wrestled 101 pounds in high school.
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I was 101.
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So kind of always got left.
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I was a few years behind everybody.
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So that was always hard.
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But I was always kind of this in-your-face type of cat, but it was in-your-face, I knew I could only get a certain point.
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In-your-face until you started beating me up, yeah.
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Until the guys were 200, just like I'm 101.
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 But I've always been like a tough kid, but I couldn't really do a lot about it.
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And I just also, I just never felt loved growing up.
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That was the hardest thing for me.
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You never felt loved?
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Did your parents love you?
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Yeah, and I just didn't feel it.
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I just didn't.
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 Yeah, and actually, I'd go upstairs at night, I'd always get punished, because I'd lash back out, and I was afraid of the dark, and I just started talking to God by myself.
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No one taught me, I just did.
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And that's my choice to have faith.
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I believe in a loving God, and He's like my best friend and parent, and that's my choice.
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It's not a hateful God where I'm getting punished for everything, which is weird, because I always feel like I deserve to be punished.
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 Got a lot interesting that way what was the biggest lesson you learned growing up and who taught you that lesson biggest lessons were from my dad I work the world and be loyal and your dreams will come true Wow Absolutely for me dad, huh for my dad.
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I work the world and be loyal.
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So loyalty was man.
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It's always it's my brand that's cool, and I have just Worked my butt off my whole life to make sure
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 Like I got a text from a Navy SEAL buddy of mine the other day, he said, I had a dream the other night that, man, I was about to get jumped in these football stands and you were right behind me and he just said, I was good, because you were there.
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And it's just like, it's just this loyalty and he goes, we all know you're there for us.
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And I was like, that's, yeah, that fills me up.
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But they know I am, like, drop of a dime, if you're stranded anywhere in the world, you know to call me and I will drop everything for you.
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And I kind of view it,
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 I view everybody like I'm gonna be so loyal to them, hoping, it's gonna sound a little morbid here, so loyal that I'll end up being their pallbearer.
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That's as loyal as you get.
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And if I can get 10 or 15% of my crew to treat me back the same way, I got a pretty good little team around me.
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And you got 15 pallbearers for you too.
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Yeah, wow, man.
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What was the biggest lesson your mom taught you?
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 Biggest lesson my mom taught me.
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My mom, so I have a million, I have six careers I do at the same time.
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My mom did the same thing growing up.
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So she was like a stay-at-home mom, but she started all these businesses in the house.
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And they ended up starting preschools for communicationally handicapped children.
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So I worked at those.
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And that's actually how I got diagnosed with ADD in 1989, through them.
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It took me, they had to,
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 one place over by Princeton University and they brought me in and this is 89.
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So I got diagnosed with that.
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I got put on Ritalin, which, oh, talk about mess up your brain chemistry.
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And then I have to go tell my teachers, hey, I got this new thing called ADD and explain it.
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And they're like,
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 And I was like Ferris Bueller, they're like, oh yeah, you know what?
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You need to take a pill and step out of the room, yeah, whatever, right?
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So yeah, it was my first year of college, my first year I didn't get kicked out of college.
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But I had to educate college professors.
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And then I was also trying, and I've tried to do this, and I write a lot of this in the book, don't call it a learning disability.
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What should we call it?
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ADD.
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It's also, they've decided to lump it in all together, ADD and ADHD.
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 Like my kid has ADD and they call it ADHD.
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He is not hyper at all.
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So they kind of lump things in, but also like, man, when we're growing up and they say, oh, this kid has a learning disability, there's a negative connotation to it.
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We just don't learn like everybody else.
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It's not a disability, but I know the way I learn.
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 is way better than the way that teacher over there may have learned or that coach over there.
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We just didn't learn well in school format.
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Yes, we didn't learn their way.
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Sports and in the world, we were able to connect with people and learn in other ways.
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But if you brought them into a football meeting room and they couldn't pick up your playbook, would you call them disabled?
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No.
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 They shouldn't call us disabled.
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That's true.
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Yep.
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Just not good at that thing.
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Not good at that.
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Yeah.
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It's not disabled.
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We don't pick that up.
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We're not going to call you disabled because you can't pick up a playbook.
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That's true.
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And that would always hurt me a lot.
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 when they would say, and I was a remedial English early, and here I wrote a book, so.
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I know, I almost flunked out of English my senior year.
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My teacher, my senior year teacher, she was like, Lewis, you can't go to college if you don't finish high school English class.
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And so she was great at just tutoring me every day after class, trying to help me just get a passing grade so I could go play football.
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Wow.
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 My parents got me a tutor every day for my class.
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I just didn't get it.
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It's the worst, man.
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It's hard to remember.
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I would read like pages in a book and just have to keep rereading the same pages and be like, have for an hour.
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You're like, this is pointless.
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I'm going to fail anyways.
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What's the point of doing this?
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I skipped the reading comprehension part for my SATs.
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 So I was just like, skipped it.
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I knew I had no shot.
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But clearly, I'm not learning disabled.
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Clearly, it hasn't held me back from reaching my dreams.
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I have accomplished my dreams.
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So again, there are certain things I'm good at, certain things I'm not good at.
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We all have that.
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Let's not call us disabled in any way.
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What's the three proudest moments of your life?
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 Three proudest moments.
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That come to your mind, you know, obviously if you have more time to think about, but what's the first thing that came to mind?
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Three proudest moments from early childhood till now.
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When I started, again, coming from the Giants for all those years, just broken and broken.
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The first day I walked in that Giant locker room in 1993, which is already four years into my career, finally got a break for that 450 bucks, which was like nothing.
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But it was my first real job.
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I walked in that Giant locker room and I said, okay,
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 I have no education compared to everybody else in the area.
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I have no, this is the Mecca of television, sports, New York City.
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I have no experience, how could I be different?
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And for me, I try and preach that to people.
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Let's not be a face in the crowd.
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Let's be the crowd, be your own crowd.
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That's what stands out, right?
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You're different, we're different.
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 So how could I be different?
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So what'd you do?
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So I said, number one, if these reporters here work, I said, I'll be the last dude standing.
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So if they work 40 hours a week, I'm not gonna outwork them by a little.
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I'm gonna outwork them by a lot, a lot.
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So I'd work a hundred hours a week.
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And I had, I couldn't afford subway, to bus,
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 to Giants Stadium and back every day.
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So Michael Strahan drove me into New York City.
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How'd you convince him to drive you?
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Nobody talked to him for like, Michael didn't like make it till his fifth year.
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No one talked to him.
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He got drafted to be the top pass rusher of the Giants to replace Lawrence Taylor.
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Lawrence Taylor is still on the team.
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Michael has bad teeth and a speech impediment and comes from Germany.
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It wasn't a good thing.
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 No one talked to him.
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And those other reporters didn't talk to me.
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We met our first ever days on the job, ever.
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And latched on to each other.
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And we just, every day.
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And what I would also do is I would get these other reporters.
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So.
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So he would drop you off?
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Every day of my life.
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So I owe him about $29,000 at Lincoln Tunnel Fair.
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And like, but Michael validated me to other players that you can trust this guy.
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He's literal.
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But I also did the other thing I did, is I said, okay, A, I'm not working by a lot.
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B, I'm not gonna use my pen as a weapon.
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 I'm not going to call, you know, talk bad about them.
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Well, I'm just not going to, I'm not going to use my pen as a weapon.
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Back then it was everything splashed on the back page.
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It was bad, right?
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I said, I'm going to start relationships.
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I have more in common with these players than I do my fellow reporters.
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So I'm going to start relationships.
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It was so frowned upon back then.
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Really?
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Oh my God.
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They used to kill me and Michael.
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 Now that's all they wanna do is try to build relationships to get the story.
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I've started a different way of doing it.
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So I had every scoop and every story.
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But that's the smart thing.
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Build a relationship, the scoops will come.
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If you go for the one scoop, you burn yourself forever.
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Short-sighted.
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But I also, again, me needing a team.
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Even though I was the reporter and they're the players and the coaches, they're my team for my own mental health.
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Like I latched onto them, I needed that.
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 It took me, again, overall 11 years to get a full-time job.
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But I just kept going, I kept grinding.
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And what I did, too, is I got those players that I was covering and the coaches to see my play.
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Man, this guy's so broke, but he's the first one here by hours.
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He's the last one here by hours.
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We want to see him make it.
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Like, I got them to see my play.
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I collected more of a team around me to walk this walk together with me.
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Finally, in 1999, I am on
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 a driving range on Randall's Island with Tiki Barber, who's the Giants running back.
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And my agent was still with me, Maury Gostrand, who I kind of got turned down by 20 agents.
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I was just trying to build this team that it's not just me doing this.
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And he just happened to be home sick one day and saw me doing a free show on Channel 5 there.
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And he's like, oh, this kid's good.
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He calls me up and he says, hey, what are you doing?
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I said, I'm playing golf with Tiki, a little driving range.
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He said, okay.
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 And I get choked up here, because this is my moment.
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There's a few times in life when we really find out who we are, and this is one of them.
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And he said, you can exhale.
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And I said, what do you mean?
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He said, we finally got you a full-time job.
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Now, this is 11 years of, and let me back up, not only did I,
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 Outwork these guys.
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I was trying to get a job every week of my life I got rejected more than any human being you'll ever see in your life, but that relentlessness I told you about of me having that depression anxiety I had to go for something bigger.
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So I felt that love from the outside in so hard I'm like, I'll be rejected over and over and over and over and over just constantly rejected and I
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 And I had this thing where actually every week, so for six days, I got rejected.
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I covered the Giants, covered the NFL, grinded, grinded, grinded.
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It's exhausting.
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Swimming upstream.
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And again, I tell you, I'm real spiritual.
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I read in a prayer book to the fourth commandment, God commands you to take a day off and drink some wine.
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I take it literal to every week.
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 I take one day and say, okay, whatever happened this past week, it's done, it's over.
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Like, all the rejection, it's over.
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And I'm giving myself a day to heal, one day.
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And literally, after that one day, I would look up to God and say, okay, God, I'm not asking you to get me this job, I'm not asking you to help me win this interview, and I think we do that too much, right?
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I'm not asking you to get me money, all I'm asking you is you pick me up, brush me off, and let's keep walking this walk together.
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So I've never felt fully alone, right?
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 And I didn't look at it as an 11-year span of being rejected.
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I looked at it as 11 years of one-week periods.
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 Interesting.
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So it's much more easy to manage.
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I've been going for a decade and nothing's happening.
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I have a thing in here that says you never know what lies around next Tuesday.
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Absolutely.
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I was always hunting for that next Tuesday when something happened.
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Finally, 11 years in, a Tuesday came.
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Wow.
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So he said, you can exhale.
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And what did he say?
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We got you a job.
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He said, you finally got a full-time job.
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I said, with who?
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He said, the NFL today on CBS, because they just got football back.
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I said,
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 He said, you're gonna be there on a fill-in solder.
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I said, I'll take it.
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And he said, don't want how much it's for?
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And I said, I don't give a. It's more than what I'm making now, probably.
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And here he gets the choked up part.
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I said, Maury.
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 This was my validation.
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When I walked in that giant locker room all those years later and I said, I'll be the last dude standing, this validated that.
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All this stuff I've done, all the rejection, it validated it.
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And I said to him, before you tell me the salary, if it took me another 10 years to get this, I would have done it.
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 And it takes, and listen, it takes a lot out of you.
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It does beat your soul down.
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And it was for 50 grand a year, and it was the biggest thing that ever happened to me in my life.
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It's a long story there, but.
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2005, is that what that was?
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No, no, no, 99.
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Oh, 99 when you got this.
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2005, I went to Fox.
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To Fox, yeah, gotcha. 2004.
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 I went to Fox.
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So five years later, you got the Fox.
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Yeah.
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And that was more than 50K.
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Well, what happened when I got the 50 grand from CBS, and also that internet thing came out.
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Of course.
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Which I think is gonna take off.
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You should invest in it now.
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And I became the first minute by minute breaking news guy in America.
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Me, John Clayton, who just passed away, and Len Pasquarelli, we were kind of battling out.
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 No one did that back then.
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So before us, there was no, it was you had to wait for the newspapers the next day.
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And before us, there was no crawling bottom of the screen.
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So we started it and.
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 So I got an extra 50 from CBS Sportsline to do that.
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And another 25 or 35 from local CBS to do the Jets Giants.
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So I went from 9,750 bucks a year to 135 grand.
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Yes.
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Pretty good coin back then too.
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Oh my God, it was just.
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99, that's pretty good.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's good money back then.
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But again, what I realized is as I started moving up the ladder, and then Fox saw me from CBS, which obviously way better fit.
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 My wallet's not an antidepressant.
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It's not an antidepressant.
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What do you mean by that?
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I thought when I made it big big big It was gonna be rainbows and unicorns.
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That's why I have worked so hard to man.
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Look where I am now I've yet now I've had a lot of those moments.
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So it's it was definitely There's two sides.
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It was there's a lot that's better.
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I've been broke and I've been unbreakable, right?
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Right when you're broke
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 there was a lot of things like I had nothing to lose.
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So I didn't have that fear of losing stuff, that anxiety.
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Now when you have all this, you're so horrified you're gonna lose it.
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Really, so you have more anxiety now than then?
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I think so.
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I think you're just petrified of losing it all the time.
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May of 2005 was when you went to Fox, and there was more to lose then.
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Well now, as I've gotten to this level, it's like that whole more money, more problems thing, and it's all different type of problems.
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But I just think that
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 Yet when you work so hard and you finally do make it, you're so afraid to lose it.
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It's almost like fighting not to lose instead of to win.
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So I've had to alter that.
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I've had to make sure I recognize and just go.
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Just be me.
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 Look, it's all, and a lot of it too is like, I don't think logically a lot because those roommates in my head don't like me to have joy.
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So anytime I want to enjoy something, you don't deserve it.
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You're not worthy of it.
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I think that's part of it also.
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I don't know if it's for everybody.
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It's part of me, and listen,
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 I'm a work in progress, man.
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Yeah, of course.
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We all are.
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Yeah.
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I'm trying to learn to get there.
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That's why I'm, you know, I keep doing things like this to hope that, okay, maybe this is the thing that's going to help finally get me to meet in the middle where I could feel that worth from the inside out.
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And I, it's like, I know I'm worthy of being loved.
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So here's the crazy part.
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I know I'm worthy of it, but I don't feel like I deserve it.
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Really?
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 No, it's probably the other way around.
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I feel like I deserve it, but I don't feel like I'm worthy of it.
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That's it.
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Yeah.
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I'm kind of doing a little.
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When was the time you felt the most loved?
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And this isn't good because this isn't real love, but.
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 when I would break huge stories in the NFL and everybody would be like, oh my gosh.
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Again, I was ahead of the game in this and I was like, man, I was the first one doing this.
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I had the Spygate video.
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That was a crazy time in my life.
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That was my second week in Fox and that's the biggest scoop in the history of sports.
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The actual video when the Patriots got caught filming the Jets coaches and cheating.
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 But you're asking me like the love, that's not a real love.
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I felt admired and people like, oh my God, this is like, you know, this is amazing.
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But the most loved, I don't know how to answer that question.
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Yeah, I don't know how to answer it.
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You have a son, right?
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Love of your son or his friends or family.
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I mean, when have you had the most love?
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I don't know how to answer that.
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Interesting.
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 I enjoy being with my friends.
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I love being with them.
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You don't feel loved, yeah.
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And I always feel like they're gonna catch on soon to this fraud that I am because I'm this terrible person inside.
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And that's what tells you a lot.
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Yeah, that's why you have to mask on.
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Why do you think you're a terrible person?
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 That's what it tells me, I don't know.
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My mother asked me recently, she said, do you, because she sees how exhausted I am from it.
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It exhausts me.
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And she said, how do you, and I told her how bad, and I won't say it here, how bad I do to myself.
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She's like, what?
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She's like, look at all the good you do.
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I said, I know, but.
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 I just don't feel that I deserve that, right?
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Or worthy of that.
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And she said, it has to be exhausting.
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And I said, so exhausting.
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So I said, mom, when I don't get right back to you, that's why, like, I'm going through it, right?
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And it is totally exhausting.
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So yet all I want to do is be loved.
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And then people kind of reach out and love me.
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I'm already so tired from what this thing does.
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You can't receive the love, yeah.
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It's hard to receive it, man.
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 Well, that was your one of the most proud moments, you said, when you got that phone call.
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What was the second and third most proud moments, would you say?
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Man.
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And it can be a big thing, it can be a small thing, it can be... Look, I would say, when I first started MVP, that was... That's pretty cool.
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That's pretty cool.
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Having...
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 Come out of that and say like, man, thank you, you saved my life.
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That's got me a lot.
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We have another employee named Denver Morris, who's our national outreach director.
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We met him, he was living in a homeless shelter, coming off his third suicide attempt.
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First time he told me that, man, you saved my life.
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Like, oh my God, MVP saved my life.
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And those moments, now there's a lot of those.
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And those get me.
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 I have one two days ago from one of our guys here.
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 Hey, brother, just checking in on you.
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Hope you're doing well.
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I'm coaching in the weekend with a positive mindset.
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Love you, brother.
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Next time you look in the mirror, tell that guy, thanks for saving my life.
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Tell that guy, thanks for saving my life.
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Grateful that you've made this impact on the world.
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See, I can't, like, hey, listen.
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No one's questioning my manhood.
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I could cry on a drop of a dime.
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I could sit there and be like, oh, Glazer's a wussy, so, but let's, think about that.
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To me, though, it's pretty,
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 So these come in a lot, so there's a lot of proud moments now.
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And it's for me being of service to people.
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That's pretty cool.
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That's incredible, man.
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That's pretty cool.
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That's beautiful.
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What do you see, I mean, you've accomplished so much in the last, really in the last 20 years, I guess, 23 years since you, I call it 30 years, since you started the journey for 11 years of going after the dream.
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I'm 52 now.
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I look fantastic, don't I?
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You look great, man.
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 And then, you know, getting the job, you know, the bigger job, and then on Fox, and then Hall of Fame, and TV, and all these, you know, Unbreakable, and all the thousands of athletes that you work with, and all the fans.
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Don't forget Bowlers.
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Five years on Bowlers.
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Dude, that's one of my favorite shows, man.
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Heck yeah, absolutely.
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You got a great role in that show.
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I know.
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You're a great looking Jewish reporter.
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Exactly.
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And I didn't follow my lines, because I couldn't remember them, so I just.
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You just make it up, and yeah.
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And I just messed with Dwayne, so that's the whole thing.
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That's amazing.
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That's actually, look, we've been close for a while, but,
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 we really started having mental health talks way back then.
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Really?
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Yeah, we get real vulnerable with each other.
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What's the biggest lesson DJ has taught you in the space of mental health and also in just life?
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Man, he is, he saw me a couple weeks ago on TV promoting this, and he called, he said, what's up?
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I said, what do you mean?
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He said, I saw you today.
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I said, yeah, he said, what's wrong?
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And something was wrong.
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I was going through with another,
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 And he saw it but the fact that he stepped away and saw that and he said okay I'm gonna call you four times a day.
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I got your brother and but the biggest thing for him is May he is like this authentic to the same thing though like he that dude thinks he's gonna be broke next week he literally thinks he's gonna have seven bucks in his pocket again next week and
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 For me, we're special.
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Here's the biggest star in the world, and yet we call each other and send each other notes and lean on each other for mental health almost every day.
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When I had that anxiety attack the other night, I reached out to him, struggling.
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 There was another issue I was going through.
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Hey, how did you handle this?
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And boom.
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When I had the book too, again, he's like, you're going to be that voice of the gray for all of us.
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And I'm going to put my team behind you also because it's going to help you.
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It's going to help me.
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It's going to help a lot of us.
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It's going to help the next generation of Dwaynes and Jays out there and stuff.
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So he's very selfless.
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He's incredibly selfless.
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And that's the biggest lesson I learned from him is you could be the biggest star in the world and
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 still be incredibly selfless.
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Still just give, give, give.
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And I think he does so much charity work and all this work he does for people.
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Same thing, he's trying to show himself.
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 I'm okay.
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Like when you work so hard and you get all that rejection that he did, or I did, or you did, right?
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You shouldn't have streamed all those years, it's exhausting.
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It is.
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So yeah, it takes, it beats down your soul a lot.
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So we're there to love each other up, man.
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It's just so crazy he became him, my little niece, who looks like Sasquatch.
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 When did you first meet him?
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Did you guys know each other for a while?
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I did a movie with him called The Game Plan, a Disney movie, where I was just like, and I just started messing with him.
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Again, the laughter part, I mess with everybody.
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And it just kind of stood out.
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Everybody else was like, and I was just, so when I go down to do ballers, he'd be over there with his team, and then everybody else would be over here, and I'd come walking through, and I'd be like, where's Sasquatch?
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I can't work like this.
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And I'd go through, and he would sit there, and he'd have his lines, and I'd be like, don't say it like that.
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 Who are you telling how to act?
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I'm like, I got this, what I do for a living.
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He's like, no you don't, I just mess with them.
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Or I would change my lines.
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They eventually had, it went from scripts, they said to like glazier scripts, at least from my side.
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They just knew.
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Yeah, they just knew.
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It was a bullet point.
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Yeah, just say something.
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They knew I just wouldn't remember it.
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And I was being myself.
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So I would mess with them all the time.
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And we'd try and get a little, you know, me, I run a fun locker room.
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So I'd try and make it rancid and dirty and kind of shock value.
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And they kept most of it.
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 Yeah, it was great.
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You had a great little cameo in there every time I see you.
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Yeah, it's pretty big It was like that was that's the I wish you Fox interval Sunday for me every week It's just incredible because that's our locker.
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Yeah, it's fun We sit back there and watch games together and just it's pretty awesome crush each other and there's six of us on the show and there's 19 personalities and Bradshaw and I have 11 of those so
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 But Ballers was so much fun.
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Probably because I didn't care because I'm not an actor.
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I'm just gonna be myself.
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I'm not being judged by it.
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They fire me, I don't care.
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They're not firing me, I got this guy, I'm all right.
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I'm okay.
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And he would just be like, yeah, just keep rolling.
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I would say,
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 Yeah, 90% of my stuff probably wasn't, it was supposed to be scripted, I just didn't follow it.
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That's amazing, man.
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I'm really excited about people to get this book, Unbreakable, How I Turned My Depression and Anxiety Into Motivation, and you can too.
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This is powerful because I think a lot of people feel unmotivated when they have anxious thoughts, stress, depression, or just issues where they don't feel worthy, don't feel loved, don't feel enough.
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I know I faced a lot of that in my life, but I was- What was your turning point?
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Man, I was driven,
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 The thing is, I had a drive to prove everyone wrong about me.
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So everyone, you know, just being bottom of my class, special needs, picked on, being kind of tall.
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You were the short kid?
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I was this tall when I was like 11, but not this built.
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So I was like this goofy, kind of like big eared, you know, big teeth, just they made fun of the appearance.
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So it wasn't until I really turned 16, 18, 20, where I started to fill out my body.
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So it's kind of like the opposite.
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You know, I was tall, but I was made fun of for being tall.
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And so,
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 I just remember many moments being made fun of, picked last, on the playground, whatever it is, for little sports.
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And just being like, I'm going to prove everyone wrong who's made fun of me, who's doubted me.
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Were you resentful to them?
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Do you want to get back at them?
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 I just wanted to show them, look, I did something that they never thought I could do.
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And it drove me to get incredible results.
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And it gave me motivation, but it was a motivation out of more anger and resentment than love and inspiration.
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And so what I would accomplish and achieve
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 And then I transitioned from sports, and then I played with the USA handball team for nine years, played, you know.
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I don't know how your knees held up in that.
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I know, right?
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Are you kidding me?
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But I was like, I'm gonna do this in sports, and then I did it in business.
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But then I hit a turning point at 30, I'm 39 now, where I was like, I'm accomplishing and accomplishing and accomplishing, but I still don't feel lovable, and I don't feel enough.
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 The turning point was facing the sexual abuse and talking about it and allowing myself to be vulnerable.
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And that's where everything shifted because I was in such a competitive mindset.
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I had to win at everything.
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I had to be the number one and win at everything at everyone else's expense of being a loser.
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 And if I lost, then I was worthless.
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I was not good enough.
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Even if I broke, the day I broke the world record for the most yards in a game, we lost.
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So I was beating myself up for days.
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Even though- That's a good quality though, because you lose, it's not- Yeah, I wouldn't have lost, exactly.
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It's great quality.
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Yeah.