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It s the Zach Sang Show.
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Hello there, beautiful human.
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The Zach Sang Show is live right here on the Amazon Music Twitch channel.
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Yes.
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You may know us from your radio.
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You definitely know us from the internet, though.
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Now we re here forever and always.
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But now, presently, making sure that we end your day right.
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Zach Sang Show.
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Amazon Music Twitch.
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Let s go.
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Hey.
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Sorry.
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That was a good one.
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That s such a roundabout ridiculous way to just intro this.
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That s fine.
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It s just restoring my life.
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Do you want me to start?
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Yeah, but should we just take it from the top, Dan?
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Yeah, we can do that.
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Here we go.
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There you go.
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So has it ready for that creativity?
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Oh, okay.
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Hello, beautiful human!
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Oh yeah!
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Yes, once on your radio, now all over the internet.
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The Zach Sang Show is here live on the Amazon Music Twitch channel.
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Alright!
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Yeah!
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Oh, whoops.
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Should we take that again?
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We re just trying to make sure you end your Wednesday right.
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You know what I haven t seen today, and I feel like I m a better person because of it, any of those, it s gonna be me, memes?
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That s true.
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I haven t seen any either.
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Cameron, didn t pick them up yesterday, didn t pick them up today, but you saw them, Jordan?
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I saw one, Lance Bass posted one with spaghetti on his head, pretending to be, of course, Justin Timberlake.
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Okay, like a different take on it, at least.
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I suppose.
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Somewhat different, creatively.
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I thought Justin Timberlake, the only thing I saw was Justin Timberlake do one.
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Did he do one?
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Didn t he post something like, he, what is that thing called when somebody posts something?
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A meme?
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No, no, work with me here.
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A tweet?
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Like you mirror it.
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A repost?
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No, you retweet it?
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No.
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Oh, you green screen it.
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No, you repost?
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Oh, what?
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You mirror it?
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When, like, they re asking a ques- Yeah, you repost it.
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Jack, can you help?
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I saw Justin Timberlake make one.
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Wait, what?
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That s super specific.
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Let me see if I can find it.
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Okay, yeah, you get to work over there.
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I m so confused.
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Also, Chad, how you doing today?
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Where you at?
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Were you hanging out with us?
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Let us know.
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Totally open, totally active.
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We re in there.
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And definitely looking to talk, because that s what this thing is.
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Just a friend group looking to end our day right.
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Big news that I just heard from Sam, who works in the control room, helping bring the show to life.
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You woke up this morning and found out what?
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I have, um, so, okay, it s, I got loan forgiveness, like all of my loans got forgiven this morning.
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No more student loan debt.
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All your student loans are forgiven?
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Yes.
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So basically from my understanding, I have so I have a group chat with all of my college friends that we all graduated together.
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Sounds horrifying.
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Yes.
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But we all went to the Art Institute in Sacramento and all of the art institutes are officially closed.
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They are no more.
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And it s because it s there s been a lawsuit going on for the last like 10 years and basically like the school was getting sued because they were promising a lot of things to the students, but everyone pretty much got screwed over.
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What s wrong with that?
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Yeah, I had a good experience in college, but I will say that there was a lot of bullshit, excuse my language, but yeah, so I woke up this morning and my sister, she texted me, I was like getting ready to head over here, and she was like, check your email, and I was like, what are you talking about?
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And she was like, it looks like we got our loans forgiven for going to the art institute.
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So can you tell me, just clarify.
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Boil it down.
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You re getting your loans forgiven because the university is a sham?
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That is correct.
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Sorry, I m trying to do two things at once over here.
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Why did I have to go to a legit school?
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Yeah, I m so sorry.
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This is bullshit.
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I paid mine off.
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Do I get the money back?
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Kelsey s pretty upset too, but you went to an arts college kind of, but it s not labeled an arts university or something.
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Oh, I can t hear you.
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Oh, sorry.
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It s just not the same like Arts Institute.
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The Arts Institute is like a college, like a brand almost.
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Right.
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I went to Emerson Colleges of Fine Arts school.
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Some would say one of those is a scam and the other s a school.
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That s great though, Sam.
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Thank you very much.
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I had like, I think 11,000 left with my loans and
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I don t have to worry about that.
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It s amazing.
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All right.
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Thank you, Joe.
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It was like the Joe Harris Biden thing in the email along with that.
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And yeah, literally all of us, we were all like, we re free.
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Kelsey, you re next.
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Make your plea to the president.
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Why should he forgive your student loans next?
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Because Joe Biden, if you forgive my student loans, I will achieve financial freedom, in which case I will make some even more damning financial mistakes that will help the economy.
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That s a good promise and we will send it to President Biden and he will discuss it when he comes on the show.
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By the way, that is the truth, right?
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Because that s essentially $11,000 that Sam now has to go and spend in life and stimulate the economy.
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Correct?
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Yeah.
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Uh, yes.
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I will gladly use that for other more important things in my life that I would rather spend my money on.
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Yeah.
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Use that money and get in a different debt.
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Exactly.
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That s exactly what Kelsey wants in life.
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The American dream as I call it.
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Kelsey, how much are you paying a month in student loans?
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Can I ask that?
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Or is that like not appropriate question?
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Uh, you can ask it because right now I m in the process of like figuring out another student loan payment.
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So it s not my total amount right now.
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I m paying 300 a month.
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But what do you owe in total?
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That is an undisclosed number.
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That is higher than you would ever want to believe.
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So not that much?
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No, definitely.
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I will tell you that just my last year of college, my college, honestly, I should probably look into suing them for this, took away my financial aid just randomly, decided not to do it.
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And we re like, either you can leave and not graduate, or you can spend $40,000 this year.
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Kelsey, that same thing happened to me.
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It was, I had, so in the end, I had like $30,000 of student loans.
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Okay.
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24,000 of which came from my final year of school.
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What?
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I m serious.
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And it s one of those things where you get to it and they go, well, the option is to not finish or to get the degree.
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That s a scam.
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They re doing that on purpose, aren t they?
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It s totally predatory.
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A thousand percent.
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What in the world?
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A thousand percent.
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They re going to essentially give you all of this financial aid and then strip it away from you abruptly with no warning at the very end?
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That s exactly what happened.
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What?
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That s wrong.
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College is a waste of money.
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A thousand percent a waste of money.
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It really is a waste.
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And it didn t always used to be this way.
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Like state schools used to be free.
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Yeah.
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And it should be that way again.
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Like, if you re gonna be a doctor and learn how to be a doctor, like, that makes sense, but a lot of other degrees, you re just dumping your money down the toilet.
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What s crazy about it, Dan, is now people are de-incentivized to become doctors because... It s bad.
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...they have to take out upwards of $300,000 in debt to become one.
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Because the whole thing has turned into a giant business that is... It s insane.
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...getting those at the very top of the educational pyramid very, very wealthy.
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It s not right.
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I do believe we should return to a world where state colleges are free.
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I agree.
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Higher education is vital to the way we develop as a world and I think that option is very important and should exist for people without having to cripple their existence.
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I mean, come on, get crippled in other ways, baby.
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Go have a fat credit score and just ride it all the way down.
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Sam, you said you received an email that told you you got your student loans forgiven.
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Are you sure it wasn t from like 774CRXL32 at scam.gov?
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Or was it actually from like a legit source?
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It was a legit source.
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Let me, I can find it, but yeah, basically, um, I thought it was going to be a scam as well.
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A lot of my college classmates also thought it was a scam.
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Um, but no, it s the legit, um, where is it?
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Oh yeah, it s the legit us department of education notice of legit us department, legit us department.
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Okay.
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But yeah, it literally you do not have to make any more payments on your loans And it s because of the they re finding the our institutes based made pervasive and widespread substantial misrepresentations That s fine.
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Every school does big words.
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I want the hard school.
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Yeah, do I get money back?
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Probably.
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All right.
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What school is it Parsons the new school for design that sounds like a scam.
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I think you could probably just stop paying.
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Do you have the loans?
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Have you ever seen Project Runway?
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I have.
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That s where they filmed.
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So scam my ass.
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That means nothing to me.
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Ever seen Legally Blonde?
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Yeah.
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Filmed that at my school.
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Really?
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Pretended it was Harvard.
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Wow.
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You went to college?
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No.
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Why do you look so ashamed?
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I don t know.
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You didn t go to college?
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I did.
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Okay, good.
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I really did.
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I didn t lie on my resume.
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It s okay if you did, by the way.
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I d respect it.
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It s really important to go to college to work here.
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I didn t go to college.
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You didn t?
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Get out.
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I went for a year and a half.
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You always try to make it seem like I didn t go.
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I mean you attempted to go and I attempted to go too.
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I went for a semester.
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Where did you go for a semester?
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At Kean University in New Jersey.
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You make it up, at least I went.
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Why would I make that up?
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That s so lame.
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What did you study in college?
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Oh dude, I was going through my pre-rec, like all like the math and the English and stuff.
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I didn t even get to that, the fun stuff.
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What s the fun stuff?
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I don t know, like your major I guess?
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So you just blindly went to college?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Well, I knew that I had to get my prerequisites out of the way.
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That is true.
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Yeah, like your general education stuff.
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And then, uh, yeah.
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Why are we talking about college?
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So boring.
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But did you go?
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Jordan?
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I mean, we were talking about it because of student loans.
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I went and I graduated.
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From?
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USC.
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Wow.
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That s right.
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I thought you were joking, but you didn t remember that.
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No, I didn t really forget.
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I m so sorry.
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Why are we still talking about college?
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It s boring.
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It s so boring.
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Who brought this up?
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I do get a little envious when people go to college because I didn t go.
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Don t be.
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Why are we talking about this?
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Don t be envious.
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Seriously.
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Congratulations to everybody who got their loans forgiven today.
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What do you mean don t be envious?
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Like, I didn t really go to college, but I went to so many college parties and visited so many campuses and it was awesome.
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Yeah, but day-to-day college is like, it s boring.
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It s so boring and when you go to a big school, you re just like walking around with a bunch of strangers being like, man, I wish I had friends.
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Yeah, 100%.
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Well, that s a you problem.
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I had a ton of friends.
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Well, I had friends.
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They just were never in any of my classes.
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Same.
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You only see your friends for like an hour at night.
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Yeah.
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Because during the day you re, you know, talking about... I took a class, a religious class, and I went to film school.
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Why?
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They make you do stupid shit like that, you know?
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The Bible s a great script.
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That s a good point, Dan.
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Allegedly.
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I was taking art history for some reason because it was a GE requirement.
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I m like, really?
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Really?
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I have to drive to a museum?
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Yeah, but that s great for your brain and for your life.
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It is.
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A lot of it is.
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I had to go to Pasadena in traffic.
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Wow, Jordan.
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But you survived to tell the tale.
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How strong are you?
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I m feeling very attacked today.
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Don t be.
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No, we love you.
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Okay.
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What?
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Can we circle all the way back to Justin Timberlake?
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Yeah, sure.
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It s called a stitch.
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Nobody could remember that name.
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Someone in the chat said it.
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Somebody in the chat said it, that s why I know, and then I found it and turns out it was from September 17th of 2023.
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Wait, so this is, oh, see, wait, hold on.
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So that s what I saw today.
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Should we watch it together?
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How do I pull this up?
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We don t have that technology.
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It s a great, okay, it s a great clip.
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So if you wanna see what I m talking about, go to Justin Timberlake s TikTok and go to- What s the URL?
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Read it in full.
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And it s already May 2nd.
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Aw, tomorrow s a weird day for me.
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SPEAKER_01
Why?
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SPEAKER_01
It s my birthday.
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SPEAKER_01
Heyo!
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Your birthday s tomorrow?
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SPEAKER_02
What do you mean, how s that?
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What do you mean, how s that happen?
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It s this thing called time, it passes.
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It came around quickly.
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Yeah, once a year, you know, it s the day you were born.
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And yet, tomorrow s the day I m born.
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What do you got planned?
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Nothing.
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Happy Taurus season.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, happy Taurus season to my fellow Tauruses.
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Tauruses.
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Taurus.
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Taurus?
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I don t know.
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SPEAKER_00
I thought I was a Taurus Taurus growing up, but found out I was a Gemini later in life.
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SPEAKER_01
That s such a Gemini thing to do.
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Who lied to you?
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SPEAKER_00
Everyone.
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SPEAKER_00
Really?
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Yeah, so I m born on May 20th, fun fact, and that s the cut off.
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But I was born at night in LA and so there s something called the universal time, didn t know that.
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But the universe had already shifted to Gemini, so I m zero degrees Gemini.
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Interesting, you could have been one of us.
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I could have, but I never really identified with it.
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When I found out I was a Gemini, I was like, that makes sense.
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It all just clicked for you?
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Dan s rolling his eyes.
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But yeah, it all clicked.
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You have anything planned for my birthday, Dan?
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Do I?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, you ll have to wait and see.
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He made you a really nice card last year, remember?
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Did I?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Did you?
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Yeah.
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You don t have it still?
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No.
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Dude, come on.
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SPEAKER_01
That s heartbreaking.
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SPEAKER_01
There s no way you made me a card.
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I said it.
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See, this is why I don t do nice things for people.
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SPEAKER_01
You don t even remember it.
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Yeah, I think I have a picture.
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I ll find it.
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No way.
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Yeah, I took a picture because it was so heartfelt.
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That s what you do is take pictures of cards when they mean a lot to you.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, well, when they re that unique, you have to.
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SPEAKER_02
Birthdays are weird, man.
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SPEAKER_02
I m like not into it.
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SPEAKER_02
Why?
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SPEAKER_01
You re going out to dinner, like you re doing something.
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SPEAKER_01
No, I have absolutely no plans.
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SPEAKER_01
You scared of getting older?
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Is that what it is?
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Totally.
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SPEAKER_00
Me too.
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Like, age is scary.
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It is.
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Like, anybody have some, like, birthday advice or wisdom to share?
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Because I could really use some.
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Birthday wisdom at birthday.
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You know what?
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You should be thankful that you get to live another year because not everybody is granted that.
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You re right, Dan.
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That was a good one.
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That was actually astute.
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That was really, that was nice.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, I also think people should embrace the wrinkles because you earned them.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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Deep.
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Really, really deep.
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And, uh, you know, yeah.
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We were trying to add something.
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How do I have anything?
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Baby No Money is going to be in the studio very soon.
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We re going to get to him in a few.
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But also, I want to talk about this Kendrick Lamar and Drake thing.
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What is going on?
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The dissing continues, right?
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It starts with Drake going after Kendrick.
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Yes, with the Taylor Made freestyle, which had the AI vocals of Tupac.
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And Tupac s estate gets really upset.
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They love Kendrick.
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Sent Drake a cease and desist, and Drake is complying, and he has to scrub the entire song from the internet.
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Wow.
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But before that happened, Kendrick went ahead and released his own six minute diss track called Euphoria.
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It s brutal.
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He kind of just like attacks Drake from every angle, including, you know, plastic surgery, the fake tough guy act, the
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I mean calling him out for saying, for identifying like as a black man when he s half, but I don t have any position to talk on that.
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So this is all in one record.
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Oh yeah.
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It s six minutes.
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It s crazy.
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I learned, I heard about 30 seconds of it earlier, like before I read about it and I was just like, Oh my God, everything.
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He attacks him.
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Obviously Drake has to respond, but why would Drake start this?
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Where does this all really begin?
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Do you know, Dan?
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No, like everyone was dissing everyone and then, you know, Chris Brown s dissing Quavo and then this person s dissing that person.
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But why is Drake dissing Kendrick to begin with?
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It s a whole spider web of things.
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It wasn t just like those two.
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A lot of people are involved in this.
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And you know what I know about it?
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Nothing.
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Haven t listened to a single one of them.
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I want to listen to the Six Minute Song, to be honest.
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It s pretty good.
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Can we do it now?
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For legal reasons we can t, but you can watch us listen to it in silence.
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Wait, can I recite the lyrics?
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Yeah, all six minutes of it, let s go.
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All six minutes?
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Yeah, Baby No Money, you can wait.
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Censor yourself.
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We have important things to do here.
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Dude, the idea of, like, diss tracks and the fact that they still exist, wild.
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I gotta listen to this and talk more about it next week.
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Here s what I think.
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I think it s great because for a while everyone was good and friends and there was no diss tracks and I think it s fun that everyone s kind of participating in this.
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It can be fun, but it s also, there s sometimes it s like, it s over what?
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You know?
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It s over nothing, it s stupid.
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People are just doing them to do them.
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I miss when YouTubers did them.
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Like Jake Paul?
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Jake Paul, Logan Paul, when they were feuding.
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It was a fun time.
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Totally different era.
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Fun time and culture.
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London is my country.
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Or England is my city.
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One of those two.
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Kendrick dissed Drake and Cole on the song Like That.
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That s from Luke the Boss 7, and that s what started it.
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And that s where it began.
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Interesting.
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Thank you, Luke the Boss 7, for the origin story.
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I really appreciate you.
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Would you like to see Dan s birthday card from last year?
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Yes.
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Okay, we have it.
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If we can pull it up on the screen.
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Oh, so we can pull that up.
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Oh wow, dear Zach, happy birthday, Dan.
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That s so nice of you.
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Isn t that sweet?
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Isn t that a nice photo?
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Wow, nice hair there.
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I was gonna say, what s worse, the hair or the card?
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Both really brutal.
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Really brutal.
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That s a nice card.
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Yeah.
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Welcome.
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Thank you so much.
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Oh, age is scary, man.
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Age is scary.
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And I ve been like really freaking out, like, you know.
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I m getting older, friends, life, who s around, who s not around.
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Dude, we shift, we shape, we flow, we move as people.
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It s wild.
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Yeah, people come and go.
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It s crazy how life works.
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It s okay, though.
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It s not necessarily a bad thing.
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No, it is.
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A lot of the people who end up leaving your life, it s for the better.
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So true.
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Chapters close, new ones begin.
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And when you let go of toxic energy,
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Much healthier energy will always replace it.
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Always, always, always.
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Last bit of music news I want to get to before Baby No Money gets into the studio.
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Linkin Park currently considering a 2025 reunion tour.
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I know that this is a rough one.
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Three members of Linkin Park, they re currently mulling over the possible 2025 reunion tour.
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they re thinking about bringing on a female vocalist to succeed Chester.
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The thought of anyone replacing Chester Bennington is like it makes me sick to my stomach it just doesn t feel right or you know it s it s tough right it s it s on one hand you go uh maybe they shouldn t
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replace him.
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On the other hand, it s, I mean, I love Linkin Park.
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Of course, Mike Bradd and Dave all deserve a shot to play music.
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Absolutely.
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The thought of them playing music that s not Linkin Park would just be weird.
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Do they say who the female vocalist will be?
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No, but there was some rumor that Eminence s frontwoman, Amy Lee, was going to be there.
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That would be dope.
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But she shot down those rumors.
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Oh, she did.
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Okay.
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I love Linkin Park.
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Nobody can sing like Chester Bennington.
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Of course not.
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Of course not.
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Adam Lambert becoming a part of Queen, that worked out really well.
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Not quite the same situation, I understand, but...
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I don t know.
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Where do we stand on that?
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I don t know.
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It s really hard.
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And I know the guys will do this, but as long as Chester s family is taken care of financially and they still get a piece of everything that s generated.
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I would assume that they would do that.
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Mike Schneider is one of the best guys.
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He s such a good-hearted person, and you can tell.
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He s amazing.
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Yeah.
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He s coming on the show a couple times.
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Really great guy.
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Yeah, he said, when he was on here, we asked him about this, and he said they don t know what they re doing, but he would never do one of those, like, hologram things.
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He said that s not an option.
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And see, there, I think that s a good line to be drawn.
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Yeah.
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That s unnecessary.
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And nobody wants it, either.
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Nah, the holograms never work.
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It s not right.
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It really isn t.
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I think there s a way for that person s energy and story and essence to live on in other ways.
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Yeah, I don t know.
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Hard.
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Really hard.
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I forgot that we talked to him about it.
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Mm-hmm.
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Wow.
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We ll see what happens, yeah?
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Yeah.
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If they do, I m first one at one of the shows.
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Honestly, me too.
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I really love Linkin Park.
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It s the best.
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I have a special place in my heart for them forever and always.
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Love them.
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Okay.
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Baby No Money.
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Shall we hop on into it, guys?
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Sure.
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He s a really good person, I think.
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We re gonna get to know him, I don t know, I love his music.
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He s Canadian, he s gonna be in the studio, baby no money, and a mame, he s hanging out with you and me in a few.
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It s, what is it again?
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Oh yeah, it s The Zach Sang Show.
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Hi Beautiful Human, I m Zach, that s Daniel, and welcome to the studio for the very first time, Baby No Money.
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Thanks for having me.
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It s great.
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I m here with Kitty, so I m stoked to be here.
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Thanks for having me on.
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Have you always been a baby with no money?
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Or do you remember the time you actually acquire money?
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I feel like you ve had money though.
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You re a competitive swimmer.
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Uh, see it was like an expensive sport for my family I wasn t I was obviously like being raised in Vancouver and most people who live in Vancouver are pretty like well off and in a sense and my my dad was like my dad s uh, he s from Sudan, uh, so i m Armenian Egyptian and he was just like
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His basis of life is like, make enough money to support a family kind of thing.
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And that s been distilled in me.
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So from the get-go, I ve always just been like, as long as I have money, as long as X, Y, Z. So that s why my name is Baby Don t Money, is because I have a deeply emotional, traumatic experience with
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Having my dad s kind of perception on what money is for like ingrained into my soul So I m a cheap person at heart Having money when I was growing up.
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I mean I had like a $20 allowance until I was like 20 kind of thing but it was It was interesting because I was always homeschooled So I was I had a very tight relationship with my family, and I didn t really need money because we would just do things together yeah, but
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It was never a thing where we were like going to do things easily kind of thing, if that makes sense.
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It wasn t like, oh, let s buy a new car or like this or like that.
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It was always like a big build-up.
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It was a build-up.
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Do a vacation, do a big purchase, of course.
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My $20 a month went to my World of Warcraft subscription.
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And then I had about $5 left to buy like 5-cent candy when I was playing on the weekends.
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Are you still cheap today?
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Oh yeah, I m cheap as hell.
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What s been the hardest thing you ve had to spend money on?
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The private jet you planked in front of?
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That was not me.
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I would not buy a private jet.
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Have you never chartered a jet ever?
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No, fuck that.
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It s a waste of money.
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But you re always on the road.
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Yeah.
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So just recently, I ve gotten to a point where I m like, all right, my neck hurts because I fly economy so much that like occasionally anything past six hours of flying, I will potentially level up my flight.
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Like that s where that and you just started doing I just started doing yeah, but you ve made good money I m fine money.
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I don t know you have a couple hits brother.
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Yeah a couple big songs, but I guess it s not it s not as much as you think because I m fair with my producers
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I give my producers, like, large, large, large chunks of my songs, where a lot of musicians don t, and I m independent, so it s like, I m sharing the wealth, I guess, in that sense.
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If I owned every single dollar of every single stream that I had, I would be 4x richer, probably.
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Can you explain to me what it means exactly, to be fair with producers, because you are an independent artist, and you re right, you do have the ability to own all of it, and I have personal close friends who are independent artists who have, like,
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A brother trio that literally has made everything just the three of them from the beginning of their careers, so they not only have made it all, they own absolutely every part of it.
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It s very interesting.
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It s also incredibly rare.
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So... I guess it s just like...
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I live in a space where I grew up listening to like EDM and like understanding that production is really what sells and I ve always been more interested in like when I for instance when I mix my own vocals in my songs I like keeping it ducked I don t like it being super prominent because I don t really have much to say I have a lot to say but I don t really have much to say and I know sometimes I m like funny I m witty blah blah blah but
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It s like, I want the beat to shine too.
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I ve always, a lot of my, if you listen to my production, a lot of the beats are like...
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They have weird small intricacies and small little ear candies and pieces that excite the listener while listening to the music.
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And that s something that I really focus on.
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So it s like, if I want my producers to want to work with me and want to grow together and get better and have an emotional investment in my project,
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They ll be like, oh yeah, I want to make a song for Baby No Money because I love making music with him because he s fair.
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And it s like, if we re doing it together, why wouldn t it just be fair anyway?
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I don t know, I ve always just had that...
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complex where it s like, if they re making the beat, it s really like 50% of the song anyway on the publishing.
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So is that how you split it?
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Yeah, most of the time.
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Like La La La was 50-50 right down the middle with Y2K.
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And that song is definitely- Huge hit.
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Yeah, it was a big one.
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But in that moment you had the benefit of Columbia Records being behind Y2K and backing it.
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I remember playing that song on the radio.
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I remember Y2K coming by the studio to push it.
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He did a bunch of radio programs.
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Yeah, he s a funny guy.
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We re making an album right now actually.
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But it s interesting because it s like,
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He s rich as shit because of that song.
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We both are.
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You know, it s like, it s beautiful.
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And a lot of the time, I ve just like, you know, you always see like the producers tweeting like, you know, be fair with your producers kind of thing.
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And it s just like, I was like, if we made this song together, why wouldn t he just have 50% of it?
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He got rich even though he ended up going to Columbia with it?
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Well, yeah, he took it to Columbia and signed a massive deal.
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So, OK, but how many from there?
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OK, do you look at that situation and do you learn in any way?
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Right.
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Like he signs a massive deal, but he s also stuck within the Columbia system.
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He s stuck within the label system.
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He now is probably locked to them for more than just that one song, I would assume.
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Yeah, I don t really know the intricacies of his deal that much, but I do remember this was right around the time that labels just had no fucking idea what was going on and they were like, throw money, throw money.
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So literally, I mean, I can make the case that like from 2019 to around 2022, 2023, we see more one hit wonders than we ve seen in culture and music than we ve seen in a long time.
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Yeah, oh, it s nuts.
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I mean like look at tick-tock in this day and age also tick-tock today Just supposedly the bill was passed by Biden.
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Yeah, you see that shit.
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Yeah It ll be a year from the time that it s actually passed cuz he s gonna sign it into law But it s a year where somebody else ain t coming and buy that out Yeah, there s a lot of different ways that that can go but also at the same time like when tick-tock was When tick-tock it was at its most
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Musically relevant right in a way that was dictating the music industry in a way that I had never seen before I Really from the outside looking in you think?
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Y2k was one of the other people who got signed off of one song and the ability to back that sucker up
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is going to be quite difficult.
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And I don t think it s the case with him because he was doing it for a long time before.
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He s been working at this for fucking ever and he s an incredible fucking artist.
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Yeah, he s a great producer.
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But if you look to his right and left, all the other people that got signed in that era, most of them have never released another fucking song or they have and it s fallen to deaf ears.
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Like, it s crazy.
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I ve never seen anything like that before and we ve been doing it for 17 years.
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Well, I think it s just like off the premise of these people were just throwing, like the labels were throwing bags.
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Like,
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like really stupid money and now they just don t do that anymore because it s like they weren t making their money back on a lot of a lot of these other songs but I remember like Arizona service he got
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Like crazy.
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It s seven million dollars.
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And by the way, never had another fucking hit after Roxanne or whatever.
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I think he had like a decently sized song, but it will never be what the first one was.
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I mean, that song went crazy fuck mode.
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You know, it s like, but now if you still look at the TikTok world, it s like.
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Every other week, there s a ginormous record.
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Absolutely huge.
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It is really, in my opinion, social media dictates how popular you can get on your musical career more than ever now, in my opinion.
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It s more content forward than it s ever, ever been.
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It s interesting.
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I think it s the most democratic the music business has ever been, which is amazing because it s like anyone can do anything.
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If you re smart, creative, quirky, cute, dope, funny,
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Make money it s crazy.
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You know like I m here sitting on this couch talking to you guys Solely on the basis because I m my brain is just cooked.
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You know I m a moron I grew up playing World of Warcraft, and I like I use that to my benefit, and I m here I have friends all across the world because I m an internet kid, and it s it s beautiful You know it s like it s like a fairy tale.
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You know I mean, it s crazy
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When did you realize that rapping was going to be your vehicle to communicate and or like find a way out or something bigger than just Vancouver?
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Uh, I mean, okay, so I made a song with my friends.
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We re chilling one day, my friend Dan comes over and he s like, what are we going to do?
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And I was like, let s go smoke blunts with Seb.
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And we go over to his house and Seb was like, yo, I just made this song last night.
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And I was like, ah, cool.
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What s this?
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And it was like terrible, but.
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I was like, yeah, let s make a song so we started smoking blunts obviously just so cooked out of my mind And you ve never made a song before this never no and I was just giggling over a beat with with like autotune and At that exact moment whether or not I was high or not it was like it it was weird because I was going through I broke my back and shit and I was like pretty depressed because
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Just, you know, being like a 20-year-old, things either are floating super high or super low, and it s like you re finding your way.
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How did you break your back?
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I was playing rugby.
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Interesting.
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Which was funny, because my dad was like, don t play rugby, you re gonna hurt yourself.
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And I was like, no, dad, I wanna be masculine, I wanna be dope.
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Worked out well for you.
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Yeah, it worked out well.
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Then, long story short, I was just like, holy shit, I wanna do this for the rest of my life.
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And that was it.
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But to be fair, like maybe there s a thing, like rugby in your broken back brings you to a place of smoking fat blunts, you end up making your way to your friend s house to make a song, you giggle over this beat.
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For sure, without question.
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And then, ended up making music, making music, fell in love, girl broke my heart, and I was like, alright, fuck it, I m just gonna throw all of my emotion into...
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Like all of this, whatever I need to say, whether or not it s like poetic in a sense or linear with the form of emotions, because I say pee-pee-poo-poo on songs, it literally doesn t matter.
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I just started pouring all of my stress into music, and I used it as an outlet, and I was like, why would I ever stop doing this, because it makes me happy.
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And then at that point, I was like, hey, fuck, I m just going to start releasing it, started releasing it with the boys.
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And I was the one out of the whole collective that we started that really was super invested.
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I was like, holy shit, I love this.
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This is a passion for me.
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And at that moment, I ve never really felt like I had anything that I cared about.
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Because I used to be an athlete that I was like, OK, well, as long as I can be an athlete and just work out, then I know that I have a trajectory of something.
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But I didn t have anything after that, because I felt like I lost everything.
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And then I was like never really too savvy in the books, book smart world.
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So academia was not my forte.
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And I was like, damn, like, you know, I look at my sister and she s a fucking genius, like doing her PhD in psychology.
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And I look at my brother, he s like a creative genius, like arguably top 10 photographers in the world and like can make music better than most people can, but he doesn t even, he just does it for fun.
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And I was like, there must be something out there for me.
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So, you know, sitting there being just like the teenager-esque, like, you know, early 20s kid, I was like really driven to find what I wanted to do and I found it.
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And it s cliche to say, but whenever you find what you want to do, you really just...
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You just do it.
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I don t know how else to put it You know it s like when you love something you will just always do it And I remember people being like man what the fuck y all doing with the with the rap shit like this is cringe And I was like I don t care like it s dope.
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I believe in it And I told my mom I was like yo give me four years So I went away to university and I was like give me four years, and then I ended up doing it in like three so
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What was it that made you keep believing, right?
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Because it was more than just Brokeboygang, it was really the belief in you.
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Because I grew up playing MMOs, and MMOs, it s very similar to the rap game, or it s very similar to the online system of growing a fan base.
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for instance like you you play a video game you level up you get to the end game and then you keep on finding the most optimal gear and I actually had someone super high up in the music industry say that they were like yo it seems like you play the you play the game like
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Game, I m like yeah, I ve always that s always how I viewed it.
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It s like you know you got a pivot if something is changing in the industry and You know it s like if there s a new piece or an item that you can wear that will make it easier for you It s like why wouldn t you just go find that first and then you can like leapfrog kind of thing and it s like that s doing a collaboration or like that s like leaning harder into tik-tok or like leaning harder into social media, and it s like it s I ve always just been really like
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I guess Qualitative in a sense where I m like, oh if I can I can just see what someone did and I ll just regurgitate it in my own way So how does that theory lead to your popularity in China?
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That was just a complete fucking fluke So I put a song on so there s like this weird and you do it under baby.
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No moolah at this point Or is it baby?
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No money.
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No.
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Yes this well, it s baby.
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No money, but baby.
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No moolah is like
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I was just like trying to be quirky and that s my name on Instagram.
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Which is nuts because like no one really knows what my name is.
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No one.
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Is it?
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It s Alex.
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Well, no, no, no, no, no, like Baby No Money.
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Everyone calls me BB Nos, Bibinos, and it s like, it s been like that, but it s funny because it s like kind of like a meme.
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Because people are like, oh man, I listen to your songs and shit, I like it, like BB Nos, you re sick.
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And I m like, you don t listen to my songs, because in every one of my songs, either I say my name, or like, there s a tag that a girl goes like, oh, Baby No Money.
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So it s like it s if you know you know kind of thing is really it s pretty sick, but China total fluke put a song out called yo-yo, Tokyo I don t know if I was popular prior But the choreographer who was teaching this guy named Jackson Lee s 16th birthday choreographed dance used yo-yo, Tokyo and
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his two-song performance and I immediately went viral.
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And Jackson Lee is...
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One of the TF boys and the TF boys are like Kardashian level fam- like famous and uh Yeah, it was sick.
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I don t know like that s just- Is that your first like brush of like actual fame and virality?
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Yeah, that was for sure.
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I remember my Android when I got WeChat.
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I made a WeChat group.
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Huge.
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Uh, that shit started- I remember my phone was like-
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And I was like, sitting there with my good roommate, Kyle.
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And he saw everything kind of happen all at once.
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And he was just like, we were just sitting there looking at the phone.
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And we were like looking back at each other and we were like, he s like, bro, this shit really happening.
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And I m like, I guess.
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And it was just one of those beautiful moments that I was like, holy shit.
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Do you realize that s kind of like a drug?
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It is totally I mean think about it this way.
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It s like all these kids that randomly post a video That s so authentic to them, and they just it goes super mega dummy viral on tik-tok.
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They re addicted to the rest of their life It s a straight drug.
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It s like oh Unfortunately yes, and I can make the case that like when you were experiencing that then years earlier
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It was an organic thing, right?
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Like, you could not determine what was going to... It wasn t... Virality wasn t as man-made as it is today.
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Oh, yeah, definitely not.
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You gotta understand, like, TikTok learned from those moments and constructed this highly addictive thing.
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Yeah.
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to be built on that, right?
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Like, the understanding of what you felt in that moment back when, like, it was an organic viral thing, and they crafted it in a way that they could literally pinpoint it and make you fucking feel like it s a billion bucks.
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Like, even if you look at new TikTok accounts, or at least for a certain amount of time, you re able to look at it and be like, oh, wow, like, the first one did fine, but the second one did amazing.
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And then the third one did fine, okay, but then maybe the fourth one did fine, and then they give them a burst of a drug.
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It s like fucking nuts.
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It s very calculated.
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It s very strategic.
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I mean, it s interesting because it s like...
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I think a lot of companies are focusing their, are primarily focusing their like marketing department on like a psychological basis.
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Totally.
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Moreover than they ever have because it s like now that they can infiltrate people s minds just over and over and over and over and over again.
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Saturation.
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Like and if, let s say we said
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Trolls 900 times during this conversation.
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First thing I open on my phone is trolls, which is dope because they re kind of sick, but But at the same time, you know At what point at what point is it like?
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Like how are we supposed to know what we even like anymore?
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Because you could be in a car, let s say you take seven Ubers and they only are listening to the radio and during this radio station, they say Travis Scott 15 times.
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Then you have Travis Scott, that s the first thing you re going to see on the phone.
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It s just like, I don t, yeah, it s so interesting.
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Everything is so fabricated and like planted these days.
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But when you think of that, does the thought of being an independent artist make you scared or happy?
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I mean, I ve worked with labels.
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They re useless.
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Completely, utterly useless.
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Like, it s unbelievable.
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No one has a fucking clue what s going on.
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Even, like, the people who have made billions and billions of dollars.
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Like, all these label execs.
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They re, like, the most clueless, too.
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It s...
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It s honestly kind of funny that the archaic music industry is going to become completely, utterly useless.
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And they re just trying to hold on as long as they possibly can.
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Is that what you see as being inevitable?
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The destruction of major labels?
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It s already happened.
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Didn t they just fire half the industry?
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There s a lot of big shifts, man.
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It s crazy.
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I think also radio in this country has become less relevant today than it s ever been before.
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An erosion that starts probably in 2015, 2016.
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really starts to take effect come 2019.
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Numbers drop in a way that you ll never see in 2020.
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People ride radio out of their habits.
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They never write it back into their life ever after the pandemic.
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And it s dead.
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I mean, and by the way, like,
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That s a whole chart that s based on that.
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There s whole departments at record labels that operate that.
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It s crazy.
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And to think that radio in America has any relevance as it relates to crafting an actual hit, you re dumb.
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Like, that s just not possible today.
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It s one of the pieces of the puzzle.
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It s gotten smaller and smaller.
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But like, some make the case that that s the only thing that record labels really had at their disposal, right?
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And then you can make the case, oh, well, they have other relationships with the streamers.
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I mean, that s also- Not really.
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Not really.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It s interesting.
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I, uh... I guess, okay, in a sense where I get it, like I do, you know, obviously if I could put an Edamame or La La La song out, every single song, I d be the biggest fucking artist in the world, but it s just, you can t.
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Like, that s just the nature of being a human being.
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You re not perfect, right?
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So...
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I understand marketing pretty damn well, I feel.
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And it s a lot of the time it s like frustrating because it s like people get like 150k a year to get paid to work at a record label as a marketing assistant or marketing this and they re so fucking useless.
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It s like unbelievable how bad people are.
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at understanding the industry.
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And it s like, yeah, I get it.
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You work a nine to five.
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You don t want to try on, but like, let s say like if I were to create my own record label and bring a song in, I m going to work my ass off.
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to get that song to pop off.
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And it s like, no one, just no one does.
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It s just like, oh, let s go to a third party.
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Let s take a $10,000 budget, go to a third party marketing agency, pay the agency, and then not even proofread any of these videos or anything and just let them post it.
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And it just immediately will do nothing.
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So at what point do you start realizing how this industry is really working and that independence is the best way to do it?
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Because, you know, you used to make an album with Young Gravy.
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He was independent for a long time too, but he recently isn t.
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So he signed in 2017 when he blew up.
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And I mean, truthfully, without him, I wouldn t have maybe stayed independent because I saw his frustrations.
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But at the same time, we re also two different artists, or we re two artists that don t really make sense in the label industry.
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I probably make a little bit more sense in the label industry because I can like I can make more poppy-esque sounding music and you know there s two sides to it because it s like If I was dead broke, and I didn t have a career prior and I had la la la and I was like oh shit I need money.
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You know like I need money.
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I want to like ensure that I have money If I don t think I have a career, but I had like two and a half albums three albums though so it was like
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And I was making a good salary once a month off streaming.
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And I was like, okay, shit, if I can just keep this going, let s just stay independent.
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And then Ari sold the song, we sold the song together, and I was like, okay, that s amazing, that s gonna boost all of my other career, I should just stay independent.
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But I made a mistake because my first song out or my first album out I didn t spend a penny on marketing that album.
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It has 285 million streams, you know, it s a it s a big album.
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It s called I don t care at all and I spent like $4,000 kind of thing Where now I know that was a mistake because if I signed that album to the label, they would have just rolled their money into a fire and then it would have made the album ginormous because
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I was naturally so popular at that time on an algorithmic basis.
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And that s like the only mistake I think I ve ever made in my musical career.
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Another mistake is like...
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I don t love waking up and making TikToks.
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I like waking up, going for a walk and getting a coffee and thinking about my life.
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But if I were to grind every singular day, like to a point where I was only making content, I would be way bigger, like way, way, way more popular.
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It s just like, you have to find a perfect medium between like living life and working.
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And that s something that I ve been working on a lot this year.
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If I was an artist that needed money, I would have taken a label deal.
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I just, I didn t.
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And then that, that s like been the only mistake that I could actually reflect on and be like, I wish I spent $400,000 on marketing this first album out after La La La, because I would be way fucking bigger.
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Yeah, I get what you re saying, because in that moment it was one of the biggest songs.
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Like anything I posted just pretty much went viral.
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Yeah.
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And it was because it was... I was popular.
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You know, it s like... and that s... that s... when you have... when you have steam... You gotta capitalize on it.
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You gotta capitalize on it.
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And... But you end up... history repeats itself, right?
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You have edamame, but it s at a different time in the landscape of culture and society.
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So what do you learn?
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And how do you apply that learning?
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I learned just make the best music you possibly can.
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That s it.
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You re just making a product for people to like, and nine times out of ten, if you like it, someone else might not.
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Someone else will.
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Where, you know, it s like, I wasn t trying to make a pop record with La La La.
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I wasn t trying to make a pop record with Edamame.
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I was just making something that I liked, and I just hit the pocket super fucking well.
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And that s it.
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As long as you try to make good music,
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or just try to have fun, people will be able to see that it s really authentic to you, and will be able to latch on to who you are and the story.
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And I feel like that s something that my brand has always kind of grasped, is I will always take the route of, I m not gonna post shit I don t wanna post, I m not gonna make shit I don t wanna make, and I m not gonna release shit that I don t wanna release.
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So I m just gonna do me to the most of me and the best of me so then people can be like, oh I fuck with that guy So it s like for instance.
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I I do a show I have a meet-and-greet
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And all of my fans are like me.
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They get me.
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They pull up, they say like dumb shit, and I m like, oh, I fuck with you.
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And there s, it s very rarely very awkward because people know, or like the personality that I put out on the internet is like me.
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So people just know who I am already.
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And it s like we re actually weirdly just friends.
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And they like my music taste because I release music like,
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on the songs that I like and yeah it s like very interesting it s like this weird I like unfortunately would say like I don t think I really have a parasocial relationship with these with my fans but I feel like they get me and it s like that s off the basis of what I ve built and just like who I am it s like just some random ass dude that ended up making music because he fell in love with it and
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But you have this independent steam again with Edamame, like do you learn from not capturing it the first time?
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And like, put marketing in it this time?
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Oh yeah, we blew a bunch of money into this song, which was like, we spent like, I remember, oh this shit pisses me off today.
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Fuck.
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Um...
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I posted a TikTok with my ex-girlfriend at the time, and it was me going like this, putting filter on her face while she was asleep, and then giggling.
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And that did 71 million views.
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What?
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And then, yeah, and then I post, we spent $71,000 and got 1.2 million views.
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On what?
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TikTok marketing.
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Oh.
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I just feel like you can t force virality.
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No, no, yeah, you can t.
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And it s like, the thing is, it s like, I remember when Gravy had Betty, I specifically remember the first 25 minutes he posted, he sent it to me, he s like, hey, yo, can you comment?
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I was like, yeah, I got you.
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You know, just like, you know, brotherhood.
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And I was like, holy shit, this is going viral, bro.
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This song is going to be a hit.
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I promise you, just lean into it as hard as you possibly can.
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That was like within the first 45 minutes.
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And then boom, he had a hit.
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But you didn t get that with Edamame?
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Because that was a huge radio hit.
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So Edamame, we started like the audio at a specific time and it was like, I was like doing okay.
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I was like, okay, whatever, it s doing good.
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And then I remember my girlfriend was like, oh, let s go get some food.
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I was like, cool.
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So I took the music video clip from the very intro where it goes like, posted it, came back and it was like 600,000 likes in an hour.
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And I was like,
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Oh, so I call my manager.
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I was like, hey, we need to change the audio and get this audio uploaded because it s going viral.
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And I promise you it ll pop.
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Because you can just tell immediately if something s going to pop.
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Totally.
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And it s cool, but it s also frustrating because
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You know, I just released a song where I sampled La Freak by Sheik.
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It s a great song.
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It s a good song.
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It s a good song.
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And I just remember being like, ah, like TikTok God just fucking blessed me one.
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And I posted the first TikTok and I just remember being on a call with the boys and we re like, boys,
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This is gonna be a long haul.
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And, uh, you know, it s doing great.
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It s like, it s probably one of the most successful songs I ve put out, like, in a while that hasn t just gone stupid moron mode.
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So, I m not complaining, but it s like, you can just tell if it s not gonna work on social media that well.
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And you re just gonna have to be infinitely more creative.
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And it s just like, that s just the way it is.
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I don t know.
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Yeah, that s just a lot to accept that you can work so hard on something and within a second of posting it, the fate is determined.
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Or at least partially.
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I mean.
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Just make better music.
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That s what I think.
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It s just like, all right, well, let s just go back into it.
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And that s something that I ve always been really good at is just like putting the drive, like, you know, whipping my dick out and just keep working kind of thing.
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You know, it s like, oh, we got to bust a nut.
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Let s bust a nut and go back to the studio.
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And that s like kind of it.
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And, uh, you know, it s, it s not going to be easy, you know?
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But should TikTok determine whether a song s good or not?
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I guess these days it does.
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These days it does.
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It doesn t matter.
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What s the new Artemis song?
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It s like, I like the way you kick me.
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By the way, he only had a couple lines of that and had to finish it because TikTok demanded it.
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I mean, same with that Jack Harlow song.
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I m positive he made the hook, uploaded that video, and then it went mega viral.
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And then he s like, ah, shit, we got to put this out.
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The Fergie sample?
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Yeah, the Fergie sample.
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I mean, I don t know the story behind it, but it s like,
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That s also a way people can just tease you.
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You can make a hook, tease the hook, it could be ginormous.
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You re like, ah, fuck.
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And then you re gonna like, ah, call every producer and writer and be like, we gotta make the fucking Versus Fire 2.
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And... Scary.
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Yeah, it s scary.
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But at the same time, it s like, it s also just like testing.
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So it s simple, it s easy, and it s free.
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Which is something that...
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People always overlook.
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And I remember I was having a conversation with some girl and she was like, oh, like, you know, I need 50K marketing for my first single.
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I was like, you re crazy.
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You re crazy.
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You want to put 50K in for a song that like, realistically, no one s going to hear unless the content is so unbelievably creative.
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I was like, why don t you just make creative content first?
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Or like come up with something funny or come up with something like this, rather than like putting money and burning it.
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And it s, I think my cheapness- Literally burning it.
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Yeah, literally burning it.
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My cheapness has definitely made me successful.
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Because I m like, I m not gonna wanna spend money unless it s like, an art form.
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So like, my music videos I spend money on because it s like a kind of vacation.
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I get to hang out with my guy Sherez, he s my director.
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And we like, go to the island, do a little bit of acid, you know, shoot a music video, and it s like, meditation kind of thing.
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And then,
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I always walk out of it with something beautiful and it s like art, like something unbelievably pristine.
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But it s yours forever.
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A marketing budget literally is as fleeting as it s there one second, then it s gone the next.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it s there forever.
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It s evergreen.
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And it s like, I made something cool with money rather than being like, shit.
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All right.
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Uh, this TikTok account, I was like, Hey, I ll pay you $2,000 if you can go video, do a video like this.
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Now that s fire.
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Wait, you don t want that?
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You don t want that?
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But, like, the dance should start with you, sis.
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Like, the idea of, like, if you need a $50,000 marketing budget for your first ever single,
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You probably shouldn t be releasing music.
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Definitely, that s shit crazy.
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But, I mean... I mean, it s your own.
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If you can go get that money, go get that money.
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But, you re not gonna make that money.
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Ultimately, even if you re getting that from a label system, that s not just money coming out of the sky, that s your money.
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That s $50,000 longer before you get a chance to recoup or see something.
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Well, I will say though, the only, I don t ever take advances from anything, even my publishing deal.
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Really?
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Yeah, nothing.
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I remember too, I went to RCA right when Lala was blowing up, I went to all these like meetings and... Just to see?
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Yeah, just to see what they had to say.
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And...
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I was like, yeah, can we just do a profit split and we can start at zero dollars and you guys just spend like X amount of dollars non-recoupable.
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And they were like, you don t want like a bag?
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And I was like, no, I just want to see if you guys are able to do anything.
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And like, if you, if I can incentivize you guys to make money,
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Immediately why wouldn t you guys just want to do it?
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That s a great approach, but everyone was telling me they re like you gotta like pull money from them So they actually want to try and I was like it s a double-edged double-edged sword It s the same fucking concept really the idea of like you they they pay so much in so then they are Incentivized to pay it off by making you famous and generating money against it.
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Yeah, but at the same time.
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It s just like oh
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It s all the same.
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But by the way, that s also worked to people s disadvantage, right?
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Like they spend so much money to grab an artist at a record label and then they make this artist do everything for the first single.
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It doesn t go the way they wanted.
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They put all this money behind it.
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Yeah.
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And then they re like, okay, fuck, we overspent and we re going to put you on a shelf and you can work your way off that shelf.
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Yeah, I mean, I don t know.
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The record label system is... It s a toss-up.
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It is a toss-up, there s no question.
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So when Edamame is in the Garfield trailer, did they just come straight to you for that?
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Uh, nah.
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So, I have a sync dude on the master side.
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Okay.
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And then I have a sync team at Sony ATV.
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So I signed my publishing because I d be stupid not to because you literally just lose the money if you don t collect it.
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But I m just on an admin deal and it s super chill and
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You know, I love my guy Will, he s a beauty.
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Dude, great sink.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that s a seven-figure sink.
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Oh no, it s not that big.
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It s in the trailer?
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How often are they playing the trailer?
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Are you fucking crazy?
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You can make fat money.
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Well, it s a buyout.
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It s a buyout.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Trust me, it s like
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It s
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I got the I got the Kevin Hart recently the Kevin Hart movie, too
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And that was like a $3,000 sink, but it was like the first two minutes of the movie, and that shit spiked streams, like 2X my streams.
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I was like, all right, I ll take that.
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Well, I think there s a difference between like, you want like a, if you re in a movie, if you re in a TV show, right?
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Like that can re-spark a catalog, that can bring attention.
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But a commercial, God, that s good too, because it s heavy saturation, but they re pulling different slivers of the record.
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So I was fascinated.
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Yeah, I mean, I also fuck with Garfield.
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Like, who doesn t fuck with Garfield?
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Iconic.
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Yeah.
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Does a song like that change the way you look at Edamame?
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You re like, this little bean made me so much money.
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Yeah, you know...
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I knew this song was cool, but I didn t know it was going to be that successful, and like, I also just didn t know the world of syncing.
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Like, Edamame s, from my understanding in the past like five years, I think it s like top six most synced songs, or something like that.
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And it s amazing, I m not complaining, like it s a goddamn blessing, but I just had no idea that there was like,
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this side of the revenue stream of syncing, it s nuts.
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If you re a big sync artist, which is cool because I live in a space where my music is really upbeat, and a lot of the time- You ll get it.
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Yeah, a lot of the time I get syncs.
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I m not complaining.
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And by the way, you can get a variety of syncs.
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They can just take an instrumental and sync it, they can rip your vocals and sync the beat.
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I mean, there s so much to work with.
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Mm-hmm, so I didn t know that like I didn t really believe in this side of of the music industry Because I ve always been I wrote people would hit me up and be like hey Do you want to make this like sync song on spec and I d be like fuck that I m not wasting my time.
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I don t care I wouldn t like I don t like doing things on spec because it s like What s the point?
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That s like that s like going on a date and getting friend-zoned.
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Can you like to everybody what spec is?
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So it s like a speculation so For people who don t under fully understand that either It s like I would meet up with a producer and we would have a brief saying like hey make a song based off PP and poopoo and this kind of an energy and they ll like send you like an idea and then You go ahead and make it and you re going against like a hundred other people.
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So it s like why would I?
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Waste time.
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Why would I waste time?
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Why wouldn t I just make a cool, really cool song, try to promote it, and then that song, it blows up, and then I win both ways.
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Culture.
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Culture, exactly.
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Sick.
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Yeah, it s not bad.
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Syncing is a great form.
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I never really had seen the effects of it until at a moment.
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The power of syncs are wild, man.
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Yeah, definitely.
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Especially when, like, they re attached to, like, you know that commercial is generating tens of millions of dollars.
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Yeah.
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And the marketing campaign behind that one commercial is...
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Tens of millions of dollars, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, totally.
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Brand endorsements and sponsorships and shit like that, I don t really like doing too many of them, because it s like, it doesn t really matter that much.
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But I did something for the Bank of BMO earlier this year, and it was pretty fun.
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It was interesting working with an organization, a company that
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were stern on like things I couldn t say I could say but I had to make a song for the bank about paying your bills on time and it was fun it was like a new experience but I definitely like
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showed me a little picture of working with an organization that isn t just me, where I have say in everything, and I am the say.
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So I was like, goddamn, I m so happy I work for myself kind of thing.
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And yeah, it s a blessing.
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So, you being able to work for yourself, is that the reason why we have three baby gravies?
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And like, you make these decisions solely on your own and you re doing things that fulfill you in whatever way.
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I mean, the baby gravy shit, it s just like, I remember I sent him a message in 2016, 2017, 2016, and I was like, man, your music is so stupid.
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Like, your music s fried.
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I was like, I like you.
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And he hadn t shown his face at this time.
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And then we FaceTimed kind of right after he had like a hundred followers.
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I had like 70 or 120 followers on SoundCloud.
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And we just became friends.
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Like we just like kind of got it.
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I feel like I was working with a bunch of people on the SoundCloud industry or the SoundCloud world, like, you know, just working, collabing with people.
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And we ended up getting
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Getting on I guess I don t really know and then we just became friends, and it s crazy like I Was having a conversation with him last year, and I was like dude.
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It s actually nuts what we ve been able to do like
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We re two morons that ended up just making funny music and being who we are on social media And it like actually worked like you know I was standing in his like four million dollar like Casa in in in LA and I was like to you like Congratulations like this is beautiful.
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We really did it and
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And it s just, it s cool, you know?
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It s like, it s a dream come true for sure.
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I never expected to get to the place I m at today, nor did my parents.
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And I just got a front cover of the local magazine in Vancouver.
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And that was one of the greatest accomplishments of my life, for sure.
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So my parents are proud, and my brothers, I love my family, and that s it.
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There s a lot of famous people from Vancouver.
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Yeah, there s quite a few for sure.
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Ryan Reynolds from there.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think Seth Rogen.
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Yeah, Seth Rogen, so there was a there was a week where Seth Rogen had So our like transportation system like TransLink in Vancouver is like all of like the buses Skytrains there was like a week It was like 420 week kind of thing where he was voicing all of all of like get off the bus And it was so sick like I was like damn Vancouver really is really snapping for this one, but yeah Seth Rogen uh he s sick
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Canada s a pretty great country.
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I talk about it every time we have a Canadian artist in here because I love it, but they support artists like nobody s business.
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Yeah, the the factor and CanCon is huge.
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Yeah, the CanCon and just like... The tax breaks?
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Are you fucking crazy?
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If you went to your government and said, I want a tour, they d figure out how to give you money to fucking tour.
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They give you money, but it doesn t help your taxes.
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Okay, they subsidize artists in ways that I ve never seen a country subsidize artists.
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It is amazing.
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I mean, I have pulled tons of money from the Canadian government in order to promote my music and go on tour.
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It s huge.
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It s totally huge.
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It s totally huge.
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And then also on top of that, like the same way in Australia, they mandate that a certain amount of music is dedicated on streaming service and radio to local artists.
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Something that doesn t exist in America.
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No, it s amazing.
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Triple J is great.
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I love Triple J so much.
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Triple J, Kiss, Virgin, I mean, fucking A man.
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Like there s a lot of radio stations that make that country flow.
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I worked for, what is it, Bell or something for five years.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, I learned the system pretty well.
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Crazy.
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Yeah, I feel like something about Australia, Australia just functions great.
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I don t know why.
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Australia, yeah, that s very good.
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I mean, I like Canada.
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Canada and Australia are very, very, very similar.
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Totally.
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And you have a great relationship.
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There s a lot of Canadians in Australia.
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More commonwealth, right?
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Yeah, something like that.
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And you have like a, yeah, student programs and shit.
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It s cool.
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Yeah.
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But I ll say this, like, it s also very tiny.
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There s 24 or 28 million people that exist all over Australia.
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To put that into perspective, there s 18 million people in Los Angeles Metro alone.
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We re talking about a civilization that could be amazing because the burden on the system is far less greater than just a metropolitan area here in America.
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It s a whole different world.
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But then you look at Canada, right?
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Okay, I didn t work for Bell, I worked for Rogers, sorry, but Bell just got hammered for firing a bunch of people.
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Justin Trudeau went fucking nuts on them.
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You know, they just took a bunch of fucking government money to help them see their way through a turbulent time and they ended up firing people.
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There s still just a love though in Canada for the art and an understanding of what cultural export really means, you know?
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And like what that means for the country as a whole and the community that s formed.
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But it is crazy, because one, two, three of the biggest musicians, artists in the past 20 years... Canada.
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Canada.
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But tell me, that s not by accident.
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That s because... I really don t, and I think people can make the case that it is, but you just don t establish a society that believes in artistic value and expression in a way that Canada does.
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And like, even from like a parental standpoint, right?
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Like...
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Dude, if I m a parent here in America and I know that my son s school doesn t have shit for the arts, my government doesn t care about the arts, like, why am I gonna have my son go after a career in something that, like, is literally based on a fucking TikTok thing and, like, the powers that be?
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When the reality is, like, I don t know, education for music?
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Maybe I m speaking as somebody who s just American looking up, literally, but, like, I don t know.
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It just seems really advanced and special.
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I mean, Canada definitely has its pros, without question.
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on the basis of what everyone already knows about the stereotypes of Canada.
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But there s cons, too.
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It s like there s cons everywhere, but I will say, being a Canadian, touring, especially in this day and age, is financially impossible if you want to do it relatively healthily.
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And the buses are so expensive, production s so expensive, and if you re not doing anything more than 1,500 caps, you re not making any money.
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Like, literally, not making any money.
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And you could have a tour that could gross like a million dollars, and it s, it s like, yeah, and it s all fully sold out, and you would, and it s like, okay, do I wanna just throw a shitty show, and not have any production, and not make it like, cool, or, and make money, or do I wanna not make any money and show my fans that I actually care about my live performance?
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And, it s hard, like, you know, I m doing 2K Caps kind of thing, so I m making money, but it s like,
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It s just like interesting.
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Until you re doing like 5K to 10Ks, you re literally making pennies.
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Yeah, nothing.
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Nothing.
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It s super interesting.
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Do you like touring?
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Yeah, I do.
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I think I actually genuinely would like to say my live performance is pretty good in the raposphere.
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I ve been to a lot of rap shows that I get
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I get kind of blown away with like the effort put in sometimes and I m like damn like you know it is what it is I ve also been to like some of my favorite like bands and shows like that and it s just like be charismatic on stage please like just show that you have the ability to perform because nine times out of ten if you re used to the song that s a streaming song it s not gonna sound it s not gonna sound like that
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Unless you re fucking Red Hot Chili Peppers, which I saw in Denmark, and I was like, holy fuck, this sounds amazing!
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But yeah, it s just like, no one s that good.
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Like, really.
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Unless you re Justin Bieber, which also, crazy.
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Yeah, he s amazing.
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That shit live is nuts.
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Yeah, we were just talking about that on our show.
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He is amazing.
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Crazy.
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He s one of the greatest performers of all time.
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It s fucking perfect.
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It s crazy.
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And proudly Canadian.
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Yeah, proudly Canadian.
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How do you approach writing lyrics?
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Because like you said, your lyrics can be fun, they can make no sense.
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Like, you can really say whatever you want.
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Yeah, I just like, well, okay, let s say I just see trolls.
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It s like, what could I do with trolls?
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It s like under the bridge, getting money out of the bridge, like troll.
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You know, it s like something like that, boom.
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Or it s like Lord of the Rings.
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I just like kind of take one aspect of something and then like spread it, and then spread it even further.
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And then sometimes when I write it, I m like, okay, how can I get this even stupider?
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And then, a lot of the time, I view it very, very, like, consonancy-based, and, like, how I know my mouth says things.
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And it s like, I have a little bit of a lisp, so the more S s I put in things, I can, it ll sound different than a normal person speaking.
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And it s like, I take it, I make music very, like, mathematically, and it s like, if I have a bar, how much can I fill it up?
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So it s like if there s a rhyming word on like the the the threes and the fours Then I ll just feel word word word rhyme word word word rhyme or if I want to speed it up rap on the 16th Then I ll just do that and it s like that s just something that s how I ve made music is like and if you listen my music to this comes from an insecurity as I don t like leaving space on songs, and it s just an insecurity because sometimes like
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Unless the bar is so objectively sick like I said one time like Y equals MX plus B minus E I want slop Then I was like I had to give some space to that because I was like hey this bar is great like it s a it s a great lyric no one would have said that genuinely so I was like hey cool said that and then I added like a slop emoji and that I layered and harmonized and then we like auto-tuned and like
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put a bunch of effects on it to emphasize that that lyric was great.
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That was the name of the song and pretty much like everything when I play the song, that s what everyone sings.
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So it s like kind of knowing that you cooked a good lyric and then just playing off that and then filling up with other shit.
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I don t know.
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I don t really know how I write music.
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It just kind of comes to you, I guess.
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Well, does the mathematical strategy come in the way of self-expression or like authentic self-expression if you re focused on filling a formula?
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It s just how I look at shit.
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I don t know.
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My dad s run a business for so long and he s so by the books, like does his accounting on paper, like he s a psychopath.
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I love my dad, don t get me wrong, but holy guacamole.
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And we re just like, the strategy is just like A, B, A, B, A, B, always.
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We take safe steps always.
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It s just like how I look at it.
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I don t know, it s like a loading bar.
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You know, you gotta fill the song up.
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But is this safe?
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Sorry, you go.
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I was gonna say, so you have a song like Lil  Freak.
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Do you go in at saying like, I m gonna write about something, or you just start writing whatever sounds fun and what sounds good to you?
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It s always whatever sounds good.
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Whatever sounds good.
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Yeah.
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Unless it s like I m depressed and then I m I have a couple like ballads And I have like a like I like almost an EP like ten songs It s just sitting that are like more sing songs sing songs whatever you want to call that shit That it s just like heartfelt shit like genuine heartfelt shit that I m just I m like I m going through a breakup or something I m like ah boys.
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I gotta get in the studio and say something you know I mean Not stupid like the other stuff
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I mean, it is stupid, because the whole time I m giggling my ass off, being like, oh, I miss you, blah, blah, blah.
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You know, it s like, it s stupid to me.
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But at the same time, it s just because I don t take myself too serious to a point where like, oh, that lyric means so fucking much to me.
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But it does mean so fucking much to you because you re expressing it.
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But I m expressing it, exactly.
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So it s like, it s kind of just like having a good conversation and just letting things out, whether or not the things are important, right?
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Yeah, I just I just write whatever and say whatever, but it really comes from What sounds good like what does this mean and my dick got her cheesing cuz I m semi Swiss I?
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Don t know.
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It s well.
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You know how like Swiss cheese has holes in it has holes in it
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Dick hole.
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Cheese.
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Make her cheese in.
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Cause it s making her smile.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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Welcome to English class.
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English 101.
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English.
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I was actually thinking about starting like a like kind of like a genius
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Like textbook class of like teaching stupidity to people and like having like a small little Like bit about doing this, but I haven t I haven t found like a whiteboard in my apartment yet, so That s the only thing holding you back?
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It s really the only thing holding me back and like the effort I want to not put into it kind of thing, but How often are you writing music?
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This year I told myself because last year I did a hundred and
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What not 2022 I did 136 shows 2020 I did like a hundred shows 23 sorry This year I ve been writing music since November I ve written like a hundred songs And I have about eight
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that I want to put out that are the singles or like six that I want to put out of the singles and then I m making an album with Ari which will probably do like 20 and then like join all like the best parts together and just make it up like an amalgamation of ridiculousness.
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But yeah, I ve been writing music a lot this year.
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It s actually really amazing.
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I think I m the happiest I ve ever been.
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Who is Ari?
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Oh, Y2K, sorry.
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Oh my god, yeah.
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Yeah.
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God, I forgot his name was Ari.
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Well, it s just because, like, you re Alex, then Ari, then there s Matt, and it s just like, you guys have real names.
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People just know your artist names.
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Shit, man, we re real people, man.
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Y2K is a special one.
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Is his hair still really long?
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Yeah, he s been working out a bunch too, he s kind of jacked.
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No way!
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Yeah, he s kind of jacked now.
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Because when he came on the show, he was like, twiggy.
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Yeah, he s still kind of a twig.
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Yeah, but like, he was like, twiggy.
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Like, no offense, you gave us a hella nerdy energy, but I appreciate it.
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He s still a fucking nerd.
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Cool.
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Well, I mean, we re both nerds.
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We re internet guys.
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Yeah, we re internet guys.
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We really get along, so it s like...
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But it s interesting too because when we first started making music, you know, I ve actually seen him grow.
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I m sure he s seen like emotional maturity for me too and it s like really cool to have friends that we You know, we started as a business obviously and we started business partnerships, but it s like I would say like Whatever happened to us via la la la we are
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We are real friends.
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And it s like, if I could call him up any given time of day and be like, hey, I really need this from you, he would do it and vice versa.
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So it s like, if you think about it, you guys rode with each other through something that neither one of you had experienced success like that before.
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I don t, you know, not many people experience that.
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And I remember, I remember the day was blown up.
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I was like,
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I remember I was sitting in my room like on the ground like trying to market it even more and I put my phone down I kind of looked up and I was like, thank fucking God, you know, like I I was like I worked too hard for this shit.
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So I I was ready for it, but I didn t know what was going on like
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I didn t I just didn t I like I Chomped a bit of the internet like people most people know that song you know a lot of people fucking know that song and it s crazy cuz like I Just never would have expected it even though.
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I was working my ass off, but when Yeah, it s really like when you re hanging out with that girl like 50 dates or something and you get that first kiss you re like oh
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Like, that feels, it feels so right.
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You know, it just feels, it feels amazing.
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It feels like, it s like, or when you re crushing super hard in that infatuation period, and you re like, things are so good.
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Things make sense.
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And it was like that, it was like a,
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five years of that in one day.
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And I was like, holy shit, like I fucking did it.
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And you know, it went gold super fast.
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And I was like, dude, this is craziness.
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So like we just went diamond in France.
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That s crazy.
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I texted Ari, I was like, bro, we fucking diamond, bitch.
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And he was like, that s dope.
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It doesn t mean anything, but that s dope.
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And I was like, yeah, that s dope.
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So.
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It s huge.
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Yeah, it s super cool.
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It s incredible.
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By the way, you can listen to all baby new money s music.
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It s on Amazon music It s all waiting for you.
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There s a link below.
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What are you thinking?
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How do you get the freakout sample cleared?
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It seems like a tough one to get cleared.
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So Sony ATV will sends me like a playlist of like all these songs that are like
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Kind of owned under the the the Sony scope And they were like I was like how hard would any of these be to clear and he s like this is kind of the situation like If you want to use them just let me know ASAP and then cut the song and then we ll try to go get it cleared So I made that song in like November Then we ended up getting it cleared January 4th
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So I made it.
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You know the date.
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Yeah, well, I know the date because it was the first, it was the day I was going back to LA for the first time this year and then I just remember dropping my dad s car off to go get like a speaker system or some shit and I got a call and they were like, yeah, he cleared it.
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He s gonna take like 75% of the publishing, but you re good.
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And I m like, dude,
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Fuck yeah, let s go.
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I was like, I don t even care if you took 100% of the public.
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Who s he?
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Uh, Nile Rodgers.
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Is that who you re talking about?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Wow.
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So, and I was like, alright, shit.
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Nile heard the song, he fucks with it.
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Let s go.
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So, um... Yeah, but, but Will told me, Will s my guy at Sony, and he told me, he was like, yeah, like, honestly, dude, like, supposedly Nile, or Nile is like a large advocate of sampling, large advocate of, like, music, music, uh, copyright and ownership and, like, rights.
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So he was like, don t even worry about it, like, it s pretty much a guarantee clear.
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But I was like, I don t know if it was a, you know, nothing is clear until it s clear.
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And they still have to listen to it.
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There s a lot of channels.
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Yeah, totally.
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So, yeah, that was pretty much it.
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I just made the song.
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It was like very simple.
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And it was crazy too because there s 64 freakouts in it, in our recording, because
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We didn t want to give any masters So we just had to re-record ourselves and it took us like six hours to get that that that right.
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Is that nuts?
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So you re singing that?
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It s it s me and Diamond Puzzles Christian.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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That is crazy.
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It because it sounds like identical Yeah, we like we like match the cues like we were working super hard on it.
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Like well done.
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Yeah, it was sick Because if you use the actual version of it 100% goes
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Well, no, not a hundred percent, just the master.
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So publishing is just like the interpolation slash usage of the thought of what that song is.
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Whereas like if we, if I was just a copy and paste, like I m, I might be sampling kids in America or kids of America.
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And if we copy and paste it into the song, then that s, that s use of the master itself.
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So we have to give master royalties too.
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So, um, which I want to do that because the, the hook on that song is just so infectious.
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We re the kids in America.
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Oh, and then the yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it s just so it s so up and fun So we might just use it because I don t think recreating it would really do anything and it s like at this point
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I don t need to make money off my music, I d rather make money from all the other ancillary avenues of streaming or of my musical career.
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So it s like, the bigger the better the song is, that s all that matters.
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Yeah, in that moment you can take the loss because you ll win in other areas.
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Exactly, yeah.
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Do you think you re more of a business operator and owner rather than an artist?
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Or is it equal parts?
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I m creative, for sure.
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There s no question.
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I know that.
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I allow myself to freely think on just anything, and I like doing things that I come up with.
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But I run my shit tight.
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I run my shit like a tight ship.
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My dad
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You know, growing up as an immigrant, he never really trusted anyone.
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So, I just like, I run my business tight because I never really trusted many people growing up because that s what was distilled in me, right?
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So, um, I was like, if I m gonna do this, like, I m gonna learn the business through thick and thin, and my dad showed me so much shit.
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Like, without my dad, I would not be nearly as successful, there s no question, but...
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I ve made mistakes.
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Everyone makes mistakes.
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But I like the business side of it.
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I like being on calls.
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I like courting deals.
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If I didn t know about it, I would feel more worried because I know who I personally am.
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It s like me being in the know of what exactly I m getting and the intricacies of the lawyer jargon and the intricacies of how clauses can just manipulate a contract to pretty much basically fuck you.
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I wouldn t be able to get the best deals for myself because I wouldn t know what I m shooting for.
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So like, I have some of the craziest deals in the world because I m just solely on the basis of me understanding that if you don t ask, you re never going to get it.
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And like a lot of the times you have leverage, you just get what you want.
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And it s like, no one cares.
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And that s also just going back to the note of labels falling off.
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They just keep falling off further because they keep bending over and then because they don t have an opportunity, they don t have a choice.
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It s true.
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One of the worst label meetings I ever had was at Island.
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Don t remember the guy s name.
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Shouts out Island.
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How long ago?
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This was like during the holola.
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We re just chilling, talking.
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I m like, yeah, like realistically, this is kind of what I want.
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Uh, and this guy leans in.
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He s like, if this is me, motherfucker leans in.
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He s like, bro,
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Bro, you got leverage.
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Like, no bullshit, like, whispers it in my ear.
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And I look at my lawyer and I just burst out laughing, and I m like, alright, done with this, and I just like, walk out.
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Really?
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I was like, that was awkward, like, it was weird, like, like, like, get out of your head, man.
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And, uh...
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It s just the way it is like some weird creepy shit I guess but at that moment I was like I flew in the day of and we did a red-eye and that was like my first red-eye ever and I was like damn man like Just signed the la la contract like my life a movie, but then that happened.
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I was like holy fuck.
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I hate this and It was just it was just interesting.
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You know it s like that s just the way people act sometimes It s like I can t rip on the guy like he was obviously just getting the point across that I had leverage He just did it weirdly
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But, you know, read The Room sometimes, I guess.
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Wild.
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Yeah, it was crazy.
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Baby Gravy 3 is waiting for you on Amazon Music.
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But we have a new album on the way.
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And then you ve had Bag or Die, you have Eat Your Veggies, Recess, all of it exists on Amazon Music.
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Yeah.
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Not quite the discography, brother.
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It s pretty long.
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It s definitely pretty long, but it s crazy, too, because in the rap world, like, like, top rappers are dropping, like, a project, like, a month.
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You know, it s like, I don t make that much music.
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You know, I ve been in rooms with people who make music real fast.
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I saw Soulja Boy make five songs in like seven minutes.
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That s crazy!
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It was- How are any of them good?
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One of them was like his recent- or like one of the biggest songs that he had since like in five years.
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It was like, I got the new drip.
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I don t know.
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Like that s not- that s all I know the song.
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But...
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Yeah, it was I was like oh shit.
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He s making this shit, and it s fire, but like also I don t care if it s not good cuz so I love soldier, but everyone loves soldier boy like he s just he s an enigma you know I mean And I remember he popped out of the out of the booth.
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He had like two blunts in like both fingers And he had a bunch of chains on I was like god this guy s so fucking
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And he s like, you fuck with that shit?
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I was like, yeah, that shit hard.
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And it was all of his homies, they were like, just hotboxing like a massive studio, like a big studio.
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It was like fully hotboxed, like it was, I smelled like shit afterwards.
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Just a cool experience.
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Do you feel like a rapper?
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Me?
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Yeah.
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I like make rap music, but I think I make more pop music.
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You know, I m a funny guy.
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I feel like rappers a lot of the time are kind of funny.
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Do I feel like a rapper rapper?
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I don t know, man.
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Like, I take everything with a grain of salt.
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I just feel
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like a normal dude that just makes music.
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It s like, I don t know.
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What does it mean to be a rapper today?
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Like, I think it s also different than what it meant to be a rapper when Soulja Boy was like, figuring his shit out and like, establishing the cool that you witnessed in that room.
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I just like
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If you are, I feel like if you re making rap music and you re like the purest form of yourself, then you are a rapper.
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Cause the one thing that I will say is like, when I started making music, my confidence just skyrocketed.
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Whether or not it was good, whether or not people were giving me validation, discarding all of the validation.
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I remember specifically just being like, oh, I m expressing myself.
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I m expressing Alex.
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And like, I can be Baby No Money.
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I don t have to just be Alex all the time, but I wanted to make my brand similar to me because I m fucking lazy I don t want to try to be someone else but
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You know, it s like, I remember I was having a conversation with these guys from Vancouver and he was like, how is it like being you?
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I don t know what he mean.
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He s like, I have to wake up every day and like try, like put on this outfit and do this and do this and like be someone else.
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And I m like, well, sometimes I m like, I would rather just say some crazy shit and know that I m not being me.
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But then it s like, it just goes against the grain of what I, what my morals are and my ethics.
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But people are also gonna like connect you to that no matter what, right?
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They don t see a separation either.
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Yeah.
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Well, especially in this day and age, because I almost like prime myself for it, because unless you re a AAA artist, you have to be on social media pretty much.
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Yeah.
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And if you re not your authentic self, no one s gonna fuck with you.
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It s gonna come across.
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So, and yeah, it s just, I don t know, I feel like I got lucky just prepping myself for the position I m in, I guess, if that makes sense.
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You briefly mentioned that you were taking acid and making music videos.
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Does acid play like a big role in the way you create?
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Nah, I don t alienate drugs.
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Growing up in Vancouver, there s a massive drug culture.
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We actually have, unfortunately, the highest per capita of like heroin usage in like a four block radius, downtown Eastside.
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So I m actually throwing a music festival that all the proceeds go to the downtown Eastside Women s Center.
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That s amazing.
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Yeah, it s fucking sick, dude.
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I have like pulled in
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I pulled in like two hundred fifty thousand dollars worth of sponsorship to and like every all my homies doing it for free Freddy Yo s Klein gravy Wow like jungle Bobby all my like local friends, too And yeah, I m just flying them in like everyone s just doing on the solid It s gonna be like medieval themed like I m fucking stoked like it s amazing It s like to the point where I have family reach out to me, but hey can I get tickets and I m like oh
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No, buy the fucking ticket.
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It s going to charity.
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Buy the fucking ticket.
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So, uh, and being able to confidently say that to people, you know, it s like, it s like, I m, I m doing something good.
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And I m, you know, I m not like, Oh, saviorism kind of thing.
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I m just like, actually, like, I ve always wanted to give back to my, to my, to my city.
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And it s like, why wouldn t I do that?
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Now I actually have a platform and it s like, I don t want to perform in Vancouver because Vancouver is a bunch of haters.
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They re just going to hate someone that isn t Drake level.
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So it s like, I ll, I ll just do it for like fucking show for the people.
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And, uh, yeah, it s amazing.
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I m really, really happy.
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It s been a lot of work, but it came together pretty, pretty well.
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And, uh, it s a happening next month and something that I can look back on and be like, cool.
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It happened and maybe do it once a year.
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My goal is to have,
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Back on the acid tip my goal is to have a dubstep tent that is in the middle or in the middle of the tent There s a jousting arena and then the dubstep tent is the sir It s like it s like an oval and then they re jousting in the middle with like a like a podium dubstep and everyone s head banging
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How fucking lit would that be?
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You have a thing with like medieval, like this is not the first time, right?
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I just love fantasy.
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Like video gaming, fantasy shit.
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Like top-down, hack and slash, Diablo 2, World of Warcraft.
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Those are just like my favorite games.
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You re a video game guy.
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Yeah, totally.
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You approach this industry like a game.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Much in life approached through the lens of a video game.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don t know.
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I m excited for the festival.
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I m excited and excited for the future and
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Life s a movie, boys.
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Grab some tickets, by the way, if they re still available.
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Are they?
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Can people still buy?
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See, weirdly, it s not selling that hot, which is surprising, because it s- Oh, get to work?
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Yeah, but I also haven t promoted it that much, but I m going to start promoting it heavily, heavily.
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I think we re like 85% sold, which is- Oh, that s good.
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Well, no, no, no, it s going to sell.
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I m not worried, but I was expecting, I was confident.
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I was like, bro, charity, bro, people are going to obviously want to get behind this.
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And then they were like, the processing fees are too expensive.
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I m like, for fuck s sakes, guys.
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So, but it is what it is.
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Well, we re gonna put a link below.
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If you want to go, if you re in Vancouver next month, go.
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Support.
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Link below.
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Also a link to listen to all of Baby No Money s music.
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What are you thinking?
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My last question is, how do you get Charlie or Moist critical in the music video?
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Because he doesn t seem like he does much outside of his own videos.
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He kinda messaged me and was like, yo, and I was like, yo.
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And I was like, how are you?
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He s like, I m good.
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And then I just was like, you fuck with this song?
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Just randomly, I was like, check this song out, I made it recently, it s fire.
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Cause I was like, I feel like this guy fucks with just music.
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He fucks with everything.
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And he s like, yo, this shit s so fire.
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He s like, do you ever want me in a video or anything?
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I was like, what about, do you wanna be the whole video?
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And he s like, yeah, sure.
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And that was it.
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Like, he s a really nice guy.
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Him and his team, they re like the sweetest fucking people.
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Like, so Charlie, he never, um, he never showed his face for the first, like, ten years of his YouTube career, like, seven years of his YouTube career, and he donated every single penny that he made.
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Until, until he showed his face, pretty much.
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Wow.
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Because he didn t want anyone to know and, like, it to track back to him, so he was just donating every single penny.
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He s like the night one of the nicest dudes I ve ever met like so calm collected just smart willing to do anything and He s throwing like an anime party soon, and I was like bro.
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You do the video.
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I ll perform for free I got you, and he s like all right bet deal, and then yeah, he s been dancing a lot and during the music video He was like yo, man.
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Let s go party like stay like five days, and we ll go to the we ll go party and yeah He s just a he s just a good fucking guy you flew out of did you fly to Tampa for that right?
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He doesn t he doesn t leave Tampa
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Well people were shocked to see one him outside of his room and two you in his room Yeah, people like he let someone in there.
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Yeah, it was sick being in that room.
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I was like whoa.
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This is dope Yeah, you re like that s not a green screen.
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Yeah, exactly and that was just off of a DM.
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I ll just take I just texted him Yeah, we ve done shit in the past, and I would just like damn like You know when you work with people and you re like oh
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That sucked.
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And then sometimes you work with people and you re like, I really like this guy.
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Like I could have been friends with him in high school.
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So my, my first experience with him, I was like, damn, like I, I remember my first experience with gravy too.
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And I introduced gravy to all my friends and every single friend of mine was like, damn, if he was in our friend group in high school, like that would make sense.
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So it was like similar with Charlie too and his whole team and family and it s cool too because he brought all of his real friends up that he had and all of his real friends they just rode into the sunset together and they all just work on the project and they re all just like really beautiful, nice people and it s a very wholesome operation they run over there for sure.
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That s special.
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Yeah, it s super special.
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He s an incredible dude.
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Baby No Money s music is waiting for you.
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Go listen.
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Come on.
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Get to work.
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Link below.
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Amazon Music.
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You good?
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Yeah, no, thanks for coming.
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I know you ve been here for like five hours.
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Yeah, you re amazing, man.
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It s all good.
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I mean, honestly, I was like, you know what?
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Now I have some time to relax and just do nothing.
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So it s cool.
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You walk around.
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Yeah, I did 11,000 steps.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you re saying you went to the park took some photos.
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It s like some photos nice like artsy photos I didn t even know there was a park.
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I don t know it was like a couple blocks a couple there s a scheduling mistake and He showed up three hours early shut up like 7 a.m.
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Usually I m
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And I and I came 40 minutes before 8 Yeah, I m always early.
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I m never late.
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I like I I don t know what if it s called performance anxiety or Like whatever type of anxiety it is, but like I hate being late I remember I was a minute late to a date one time and I was like the whole that was like the whole time through it I was like yo, I m so fucking sorry like I
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I don t know what it is.
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Like that might be like my largest flaw is I get like anxious, like bite my nails, like rip off my nails.
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Do you go to therapy?
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Yeah.
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But like, it s not something I usually talk about cause it s, I don t really, it s not bad.
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You know, it s not a bad habit.
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Time is an incredibly valuable thing, right?
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It s the most valuable asset in the world.
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It s the only thing you can t get back, but you shouldn t be in a
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place where being a couple minutes late, if you happen to be, would throw the entire rest of your plan.
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It s not like that bad.
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It s just like, you know, it s something that I m, I think about.
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I m always sitting in the parking lot 40 minutes before I need to get somewhere.
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It s like, I can t be late.
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I d rather be an hour early than a minute late.
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Yeah.
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And it s also, it s just like,
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If I was an employer, and I hired someone, and they re late, fire them immediately.
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Just don t fucking be late.
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It s one of the easiest things to do, and it just shows that you respect someone s time so much.
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And it s like, that s it, that s all.
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And if you respect someone s time, whether or not you work hard or not, doesn t fucking matter.
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But if you respect someone s time, you re not wasting someone s time.
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I remember I did a photo shoot with one of this very successful photographers.
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He showed up five hours late,
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And I was like, look man, past the hour, like, why did you even come?
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Yeah.
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So... That s crazy.
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Yeah, but it is what it is.
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I can give people grace, like, we have guests all the time, they re 30 minutes late, hour late sometimes, whatever.
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There s a grace within a window, but five hours is obnoxious.
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It was obnoxious, like, I was like, what is the point of even texting me?
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Like, now you look like a moron.
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But he didn t really give me a good reason.
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He was just like oh, I was partying.
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So I was like alright, it is what it is.
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Did you do the shoot?
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Yeah, we did the shoot.
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Wow.
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I don t hate him at all.
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It was just like damn like I can t believe that happened.
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Disrespectful.
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I mean hey.
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I got a text this morning at 7 a.m.
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Yo, and I m like damn, it s early.
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We re so sorry.
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No, it s not your guys s fault.
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It s literally my team s fault.
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It was funny James my manager sent a screenshot of 11 a.m.
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And I read that text 8 a.m.
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When I was like trying to check in it and I was like And I said in the I sent in the group text I was like hands on site But it s totally good I mean I get more of the day
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More of the day.
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Yeah.
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And Amazon Music s here for you.
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There s free coffee, there s pastries.
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There was pastries and free coffee, but I fast and I intermittently fast, so I was like, damn it, I can t eat anything yet.
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We just tempted you.
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Well, what time is it now?
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Oh, you re fine.
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It s midday.
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Ah, yes, it s time to eat.
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I gotta go steal a bunch of snacks.
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Go for it.
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Baby No Money, we really appreciate you.
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No, thank you guys.
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Appreciate y all.
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Yeah, you re a fucking icon.
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Thanks for being here.
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No, thank you guys.
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Baby No Money, everybody.
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It s the Zach Sang Show.
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It s the Zach Sang Show.