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Zach Sang Show.
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Hello there beautiful human.
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Happy Met Gala Monday to you and to those you love.
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Once on the radio, now all over the internet and here currently presently hanging out with you on the Amazon Music Twitch channel.
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This is the Zach Sang Show.
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Holy crap, Met Gala Monday.
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Oh yeah, Cameron.
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Culture is being shaped.
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Fashion is moving forward on the East Coast of these United States.
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New York City, the spot where it s all happening.
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Dan, are you excited?
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I m pumped.
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I know you re a fashion guy.
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Yeah, I went to fashion school in New York City, so I relate to this show.
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Yeah, your invite got lost in the mail.
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Cameron, it s very hard to get an invite to the Met Gala.
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I don t know if you know, but like, yeah, well, I don t know.
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Here s the deal.
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I think next year it s gonna be a mission that I get an invite.
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I don t know how I m gonna do it.
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I m gonna figure it out.
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But apparently it starts with brands.
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Is Sweet Prince in the control room or is he upstairs?
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He, I don t know, but I ve actually like gone through the process of pitching to getting someone into the Met Gala.
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So I can explain this if you need.
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Oh, please.
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Jordan, you were a PR person.
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I was.
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How do people get on?
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By the way, we have a great show heading your way.
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Good hang, chat, get active.
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We re looking at it.
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We re talking back.
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Also, let me know where you re hanging out with us from.
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Kay Flay going to be here tonight.
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A lot of culture to get into that Kendrick and Drake stuff.
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But first, I do want to talk Met Gala because it s happening actively.
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How do people get invited to this thing?
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So there s kind of two paths.
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So it s just Vogue or through a designer.
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And basically designers buy tables and then they have the power to choose who they want to dress for their table.
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Everyone has to be approved by Anna Wintour herself.
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That s the thing.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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So anyone that s going had to get the okay from her.
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Interesting!
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But yeah, you just reach out to designers and you pitch your people and if they have a good relationship with them or if they know who they are then maybe they ll want to dress them.
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This process happens though in like October.
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This has been going on for six months.
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That s when I hit up Old Navy.
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Yeah, so does Meta have a table?
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Social media places have started buying tables as well.
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I think Meta had a couple tables last year.
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That s what I m saying.
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Does Amazon Music have a table?
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Not that I ve seen.
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Maybe Amazon should buy a table.
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Let s get the powers to be together.
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Get us a table.
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I think it may cost too much for this place.
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Nah, it s fine.
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Interesting.
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So designers.
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But what designers qualify to even get a table?
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Is it just because they pay?
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Um, I think that s part of it, but I think it s also who Vogue wants to endorse.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I mean like Loewe and Chanel and you know, I m suddenly every designer name is blanking on me, but Dolce and Gabbana.
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Fossil, the good people at Coach.
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They re all there, right?
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Timex?
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Calvin Klein?
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Yeah.
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Who else?
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Swatch?
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Tommy Hilfiger?
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Swatch, yeah!
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Geox, the shoe that breathes?
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Yeah!
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They re there.
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They re there.
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They know what s up, Skechers.
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Was that one shoe where you buy a pair of shoes, they donate one to the needy?
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Tom s!
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Tom s got a table?
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Give me a Tom s table.
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I embarrass my boyfriend one of a trillion times in the span of a day, and there s a guy wearing Tom s, and I go, bro, haven t seen you in years.
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Yeah, no kidding.
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I have not seen somebody wear those shoes made of absolutely nothing.
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Or shit for your feet.
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In a long time.
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Yeah, dude, it s literally a shoe that goes, oh, we re gonna let you do all the work.
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Yeah.
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Everybody was caught up in the like, oh it s donating a shoe, that s great.
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Nobody asked if it really qualifies as a shoe.
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You know what I m saying?
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No, it s barely a house slipper.
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It s essentially the equivalent of putting your foot in a tissue box.
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But we love you, Tom.
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What happened to Tom?
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I don t know.
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Couldn t find them, it saved my life.
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And you know what?
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I wore them all the time.
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And I was wearing them during a phase in my life where my sweat glands were doing something different.
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I would sweat through a pair of Toms like nobody s business.
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It was bad.
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Interesting.
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So does Toms have a table?
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That would be incredible.
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I would love to sit at their table.
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That would be incredible.
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Can we find out what brands are there so then we know who to hit up?
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And let s scrub this bit from the internet before we reach out.
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That s fine.
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We ll fix it in post.
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I do have my spreadsheet still of when I was pitching all these brands.
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And so I can revisit that.
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Amazing.
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Yeah.
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Sometimes, though, you ll find even a really high-end brand won t have bought a table and won t be going.
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Is that because they feel like it s a waste of money?
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Well, it s all a donation, right?
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It s a big charity event?
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Yeah, I mean, to pay for rich people to do cool things.
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Oh.
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Interesting.
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How do I get in on that charity?
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Holy crap.
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No room for us.
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But Zach, you really think there s gonna be like, alright, this person s taking Gigi Hadid, this person s taking Doja Cat, this person s taking Zach Sang?
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I don t know.
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I mean, we re gonna cast a really wide net and see who bites, you know?
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Something tells me you re gonna be sitting at the Burlington Code Factory table.
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But you ll be there.
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You know?
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In a parka.
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In a parka that cost me $16.99.
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Yeah, with a bunch of mismatched candles, because they sell those for some reason.
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No, you know, I was surprised.
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I m hosting, maybe, the Ivor Novellas in London in May.
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I was like, oh, Jordan, maybe you can reach out to Acne Studios.
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And I wear their stuff all the time.
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Yeah.
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I was like, oh, maybe they dress me.
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And what d they say?
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They said, here, look at this lookbook and we ll plan a fitting.
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So look at that lookbook.
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So kind of a yes, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It s not the exact thing.
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It s not the McAllis.
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I mean, it s a start.
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Affie is awesome.
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We love Affie.
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We re surprised.
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Oh, I will literally die for them.
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I was surprised.
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I mean, you re a star, so that makes sense.
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And I ve been crossing them, but... There s a big difference between, like, hey, here s a pair of jeans and a shirt to wear, compared to, hey, here s a $75,000 seat.
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Yeah, it s that expensive?
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It s too much for any of us to buy.
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What if I started a GoFundMe?
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You don t know me, first of all, Jordan.
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Oh, okay, sorry.
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You don t know my finances.
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Second of all, worth it!
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Zach Sing, show table at the Met Gala next year?
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Those invited to the Met Gala can pay $75,000 for one ticket or $350,000 for a table.
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See, that s why I just went for the table this year.
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Because if you re already going to $75,000, you might as well commit to the table.
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You know, come on.
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Don t be ridiculous.
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What an insane thing.
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You go, oh, I paid for that for a night.
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Yeah, for one night.
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He spent all this money for an hour and a half.
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$350,000 for a damn table.
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If I saw that in my bank account, I wouldn t come into work again, ever.
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You would not see me.
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For a table.
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Let alone a table for one day to look at people wearing lampshades on their heads.
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No, this year it s flowers, dude.
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Yeah, everyone s taking the flower thing very seriously.
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Yeah, literally.
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It s like they re all taking it literally.
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It s like you got gardens on you.
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I mean, the Met Gala has had some cool outfits, but this year so far what I ve seen, it looks like a pretty cheap Halloween party.
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Tyler looks incredible.
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Tyler looks great.
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You know, Kim Kardashian, if that was a real look I saw on my TikTok feed, she looks amazing.
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I m seeing some great looks, you know.
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I don t know, she was getting roasted by Tom Brady last night.
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I think she made it there in time.
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She did.
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I mean, she is Kim Air.
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Are you for real?
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Kim Air.
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Have we seen Ariana Grande s look yet, Kelsey?
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Or Jordan?
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Who s monitoring actively?
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I was.
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Last time I checked, she teased like a little crystal thing and tagged Loewe, so.
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Yeah, and Kelsey s trying to like break it down, the whole thing for me.
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I really did not follow a single thing.
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The crystal mansion, Kelsey?
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It s based on a short story, the theme, it s the garden of time and the whole like, it s like these rich people that live in this crystal mansion that like the angry mob is coming after them because they re rich and they have no money.
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And so they every day pick a flower petal off their garden of time to like,
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turn back time to stop the mob from coming after them until they run out of flowers and die.
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So you got that from looking at an outfit?
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No, no.
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She didn t even look at the outfit.
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She actually just saw just a crystal pattern in an Instagram story, right?
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No, well, that s the theme.
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What I just explained is the theme is the Garden of Time.
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So you believe she s going to be the Crystal Palace?
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Yeah, so the theme is the Garden of Time, which is the short story that is the story I just explained.
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And then Ariana posted the crystal look, so she s going for like the Crystal Mansion vibe.
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Okay, have we seen anything yet?
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Who s monitoring?
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Sweet Prince?
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No, nothing yet.
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Nothing?
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I m watching.
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Thank you very much.
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Feel free to break in whenever it does happen.
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Yeah, that s breaking news.
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Yeah.
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When Kay Flay s here, interrupt her.
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We need to know this.
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Tell me more about the time shift or whatever it was called.
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By the way, you re aware, Cameron, the Garden of Time is the theme.
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So that story is the theme for all the outfits tonight, correct?
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Correct.
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There we go.
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The theme for all the outfits is Garden of Time.
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Yes.
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Got it.
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What is the Garden of Time?
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She just said it.
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It s a story.
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I was just making sure I heard the right story.
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Yeah, you re it.
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You re good.
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You re locked in.
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Chat, you good?
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Didn t know if it was something else.
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I think we all remember where we were when we heard the story.
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We were right here about 45 seconds ago.
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Anyway, Kendrick Lamar and Drake.
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Historic beef happening right now.
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Also, are we about to see a shift in music?
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I think we may.
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This is wild what s going down.
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And I m up to date on all of it because me and my boyfriend were listening very intensely all weekend to all the songs as they were coming out.
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Skyrocketing to number one.
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And like, I don t know.
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essentially assassinating and torturing, torturing people s personas, who they are as individuals, who they are as family members, who they are as members of society.
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Dude, it s the accusations that Kendrick Lamar, a national treasure, someone who was just endorsed by President Obama as he could beat Drake no matter what, without a doubt, in any sort of rap battle,
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Kendrick Lamar is really by far one of the greatest artists to ever walk on this earth.
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He hurls some real accusations towards Drake that should be taken seriously.
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Have you listened to these songs?
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I gotta be honest with you.
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This whole story, I m like totally... I have no idea what s happening with this.
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I mean, here s the deal.
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Are you listening, Dan?
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Do you know?
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Do you know how to read and everything?
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I ve heard like a line or two, but I haven t really been keeping up to date.
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Okay.
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Well, so it starts with... Correct me if I m wrong here.
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It really starts with Drake releasing a six-minute song, correct?
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Well, it s actually, if you go back to the roots, it happens even before that.
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Okay.
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Where does it officially start at the root of it all?
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So it starts last October when J. Cole and Drake put out that song, First Person Shooter.
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And in that song, Drake and J. Cole say that them two and Kendrick are the big three.
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Later on, Kendrick comes out with a song called Like That, where he says, there is no big three, it s just big me.
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And that s where everything starts.
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And then Six Minute, Taylor Made Freestyle comes into play.
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He releases a six minute song.
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It is a six minute diss track towards Kendrick Lamar.
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He responds.
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But he does so in a way that is not six minutes.
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The song is shaped as a hit.
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It s crafted as a hit.
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Is that what I heard over the weekend?
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Euphoria?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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That one s six minutes.
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Wait, what s the song that starts with I see dead people?
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That s the sixth sentence.
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Yeah, the sixth sentence.
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No, it s using a song.
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Has nobody listened to this stuff?
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Sweet Prince, are you in the loop?
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No, I m not.
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Oh my God, I need to call my boyfriend.
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I think when people are beefing like this, I automatically tune it out.
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You guys, this is- I do.
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You know what?
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Here s the deal.
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This is too big.
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This is too big to pass up and miss.
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You really don t know, Dan?
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This is what I know.
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You re killing me.
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I know that Kendrick made some claims about Drake having an 11-year-old daughter, and then Drake came out and said, we planted that, and that none of it s true.
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That s the part that I know.
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No, there s a lot more to that.
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Okay.
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Yeah, there s that one point Kendrick Lamar is accusing Drake of Really monstrous stuff.
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I mean being affiliated and in relationships with minors doing things that are highly illegal I mean the death of people there s a lot of stuff if you listen to the record, which is very he literally very clearly and plainly states all of it in a way that is so hit focused and like very
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very much in a way that radio stations are going to want to play this song, but the song incriminates straight to a point where he already has come out and responded against all the allegations.
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But if it doesn t make people look deeper into what s been going on, whether it be with Diddy or anything else, I mean, you re crazy.
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There is a giant web going on here that is being formed right in front of our eyes, and that is being played out in the way of music.
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What if this is all just like a big promotion for a joint album they re about to release together?
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I don t know, man.
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You do not accuse someone of those crimes and go, I m gonna go put my name and art along theirs.
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You gotta listen to the song.
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And I realized the one you were talking about that starts with icy dead people, it s called Not Like Us, and that was literally like- Not Like Us, that s the theme, dude!
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Not Like Us, he s essentially saying these people that you think are like you are not like you because they are monsters.
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You have to listen to the song.
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I ve listened to it so many times.
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I ll check it out.
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It s actually a great record.
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I believe you.
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And that, my friends, is where... I mean, there s so many areas where Drake is missing.
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I mean, so many areas.
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But the big one is that, like, the song that contains the most incriminating information is going to be a song that really has the potential to be played on radio stations all over the world.
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Do you think my take on this situation is wrong?
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What is it?
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That you stay out of it?
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And the minute, it could be anybody.
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It could be anybody.
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It could be actors, it could be musicians in any genre.
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When people start slinging, like, accusations at one another and beef and all of this stuff, diss tracks, I just automatically, like, pull away.
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Hey Cameron, that s really nice of you and good of you, I guess to a certain degree.
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No, I m not saying that I m taking a high road by any means.
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I understand why people are responding to it.
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I just don t...
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I find it exhausting.
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I feel like if I was in high school or college, I d be really into it.
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Yeah.
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But now as like a 30 year old man, like, I don t care what these guys have to say about each other.
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I know, but it s like, dude, if you listen to the records, it is really revealing of some really highly legal stuff.
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Really?
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Am I nuts, Jordan?
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No, you re so right.
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And also, like, the covers for these singles have been kind of crazy.
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Dude, one of them is Diddy s house with freaking, uh, you know, when you go to the app, like, to see, like, all the, like, the, the, right?
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One of them is Diddy s home, isn t it?
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SPEAKER_04
I was more so thinking about the one with all of like the prescription bottles one being like for Aubrey Graham and it was Ozempic Oh, yeah, and like all there was some OVO and merch and it was taken inside of Drake s house It looks like so people are like, oh he has ops on the inside because that was the Kendrick album cover Do you believe one is Diddy s home?
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SPEAKER_03
Am I am I wrong?
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SPEAKER_03
I m telling you
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SPEAKER_04
I don t know what Diddy s home looks like.
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SPEAKER_02
I totally get why, it s a very big story right now.
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SPEAKER_02
Huge.
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SPEAKER_02
I totally get why we are discussing it.
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SPEAKER_03
It came up yesterday at the Tom Brady roast.
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SPEAKER_03
I know we re gonna talk about that because I think Kim Kardashian could be linked to it.
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SPEAKER_03
Maybe this is just me getting too thick of a glimpse into TikTok conspiracies.
1
SPEAKER_03
No, that could be it.
1
SPEAKER_03
I don t know.
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SPEAKER_03
Does anybody in the other room have any knowledge on this?
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SPEAKER_03
Sweet Brins, Kelsey, Sam.
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SPEAKER_00
All three of us back here.
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SPEAKER_00
Kelsey obviously is gone, but none of us know anything.
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SPEAKER_03
By the way, again- Maybe it s just me and my boyfriend talking about things we see on TikTok all day.
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SPEAKER_03
It s not.
1
SPEAKER_03
No, it s you.
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SPEAKER_02
Because I have not been able to escape it all weekend.
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s everywhere.
1
SPEAKER_01
That s all I can see.
1
SPEAKER_01
People are posting about it.
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SPEAKER_02
You are 100% valid in bringing it up and talking about it.
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SPEAKER_02
I need experts to discuss it.
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SPEAKER_02
I find even when you re talking about it and I m trying to understand what you re saying, I find it so exhausting.
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SPEAKER_02
I m very passionate about it.
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SPEAKER_03
I care.
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SPEAKER_03
And you know what my boyfriend would know?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, and I still believe that.
1
SPEAKER_03
Why are you guys my boyfriend?
1
SPEAKER_01
They re taking very personal shots, but I believe they don t care about it that much.
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SPEAKER_01
They just keep going back and forth.
1
SPEAKER_01
Of course.
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SPEAKER_01
Dad, you gotta listen to the song.
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SPEAKER_01
There s personal shots of them telling the world that someone is a monstrous criminal.
1
SPEAKER_01
I understand that, but when you start as a fun little beef, it gets more serious.
1
SPEAKER_03
Oh, you have man boobs!
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SPEAKER_03
And then there s like
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SPEAKER_03
Telling the world that you, I don t know.
1
SPEAKER_03
Well, if you re going back and forth.
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SPEAKER_01
Literally you have to go into relationships with a minor.
1
SPEAKER_01
Well, if you re going back and forth and back and forth, eventually you ll run out of things to say.
1
SPEAKER_01
So you gotta say, let s go to the next level here.
1
SPEAKER_01
And then it becomes super personal.
1
SPEAKER_01
And maybe they re both like, oh man, we crossed the line.
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SPEAKER_01
Again, again, Dan.
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SPEAKER_01
I think there s a huge thing.
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SPEAKER_03
There s like, this is personal.
1
SPEAKER_03
Oh, make fun of my weight.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, make fun of the mole I have.
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SPEAKER_03
And then there s telling the world that this person is committing penis atrocious acts and you should look into it.
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SPEAKER_02
You re right.
1
SPEAKER_02
You re right about everything you re saying.
1
SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
I just, I still, you know, maybe I ll try to figure it out.
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SPEAKER_02
Listen to the record.
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SPEAKER_02
What is the chat saying?
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SPEAKER_02
Can they talk to me?
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SPEAKER_01
Luke the Boss said, as a hip-hop fan, I enjoy the bars, but not so much the accusations.
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SPEAKER_03
What do you think of the accusations?
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SPEAKER_03
Do you put any weight to them?
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SPEAKER_03
Merit?
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SPEAKER_03
Do you believe them?
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SPEAKER_03
That s a good question.
1
SPEAKER_03
That s what I want to know.
1
SPEAKER_03
And why would somebody make them if they don t have any sort of proof to back them up if requested?
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SPEAKER_03
And they re doing it in the most public fashion.
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SPEAKER_04
You can get sued for that.
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SPEAKER_03
Totally defamation.
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SPEAKER_03
The only way you win a defamation lawsuit is by being able to have proof without a doubt that what you are stating is true.
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SPEAKER_03
Let s discuss Luke.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, didn t- I just said, didn t Drake say that he planted people in Kendrick s camp to make up these lies?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
So now Kendrick was like, oh, this is true.
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SPEAKER_01
I got somebody from that camp feeding me all this.
1
SPEAKER_01
And Drake s like, well, we did it on purpose.
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SPEAKER_01
Now you look dumb because it s all a lie.
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SPEAKER_01
Right.
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SPEAKER_01
Who knows?
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know what s going on.
1
SPEAKER_01
I just know that part.
1
SPEAKER_01
Breaking news, Ariana Grande is at the Met.
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SPEAKER_01
Really?
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, good.
1
SPEAKER_01
Breaking into the conversation.
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SPEAKER_01
Bring up the visual.
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SPEAKER_01
I need to see it.
1
SPEAKER_01
Do we have the ability to do that?
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s going like pop crave on Twitter.
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SPEAKER_03
They got like a picture and a video.
1
SPEAKER_03
Okay.
1
SPEAKER_03
By the way, this is all alleged, obviously, and just because he puts in the song doesn t make it true.
1
SPEAKER_03
But like, I would have thought that he would have been able to back it up.
1
SPEAKER_03
And by the way, this
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SPEAKER_03
This could totally shape out in a lawsuit.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, 100%.
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SPEAKER_03
Definitely could.
2
SPEAKER_03
Oh, there she is.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, absolutely stunning.
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SPEAKER_03
Wow.
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SPEAKER_03
My monitor doesn t work.
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SPEAKER_03
Can I use yours?
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SPEAKER_03
Thanks.
2
SPEAKER_03
Oh, she looks so beautiful.
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SPEAKER_03
Absolutely stunning.
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SPEAKER_03
Stunning, stunning, stunning.
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SPEAKER_03
What do we think, sweet prince?
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SPEAKER_03
What s your review?
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SPEAKER_02
Be honest.
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SPEAKER_02
I like it.
2
SPEAKER_02
I wish I could see more detail because all I see is really bright.
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SPEAKER_01
There s some more photos.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, there s more photos.
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SPEAKER_03
Kelsey, do you have a thought?
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, stunning.
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SPEAKER_04
I look at that and I think, garden of time.
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SPEAKER_04
You do, right?
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SPEAKER_03
It s giving green, but also metal for the garden.
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SPEAKER_03
It s giving green?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
It s a white dress, but it gives green.
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SPEAKER_03
That s the thought, putting it through a garden filter.
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SPEAKER_05
I see what you re saying.
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SPEAKER_05
That photo looks green.
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SPEAKER_05
How do you not get that dirty?
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SPEAKER_04
I mean, the answer is you definitely do.
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SPEAKER_04
It s a white dress.
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SPEAKER_04
You re going to drag it all over the place.
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SPEAKER_04
Kelsey, do you have a review?
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, but that s giving garden.
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SPEAKER_01
I like it.
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SPEAKER_01
I think it s on theme.
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SPEAKER_01
Be honest, right now.
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SPEAKER_01
No, I m being honest.
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SPEAKER_01
I m gonna be honest.
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SPEAKER_01
Don t worry about it.
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SPEAKER_01
I think it s on theme.
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SPEAKER_01
I think it s a little boring.
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SPEAKER_01
I would have loved to see more.
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SPEAKER_01
But I think it s on theme, which is all I can ask for.
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SPEAKER_02
Which is all you can ask for.
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SPEAKER_02
Carlos, do you agree?
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SPEAKER_02
Disagree?
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SPEAKER_02
I like the eyes.
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SPEAKER_02
There s a little, I don t know what it is.
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SPEAKER_02
Garden-y eyes.
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SPEAKER_03
Jordan, do you feel Garden of Time?
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SPEAKER_00
You know, I do.
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SPEAKER_00
I think she s like embodying one specific aspect of it rather than the entire theme, which I think is totally like a legitimate option to do.
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SPEAKER_00
And I think she did it well.
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SPEAKER_03
Let s bring it up again.
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Chat, what do you think?
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SPEAKER_03
Garden of Time.
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SPEAKER_03
Is it giving?
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SPEAKER_03
Ooh.
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SPEAKER_03
Sprouting of time?
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SPEAKER_03
Sprouting of seconds?
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SPEAKER_03
Is it giving seconds that turn into minutes?
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SPEAKER_03
That turn into hours?
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SPEAKER_03
That turn into days?
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SPEAKER_04
Turn into weeks and years?
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SPEAKER_04
While we ran into a response for that, Luke the boss in the chat said, Zach, about all the other stuff we were talking about.
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SPEAKER_04
Normally in any other field, Drake would sue Kendrick for defamation, but this is hip-hop and you can t do that.
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SPEAKER_04
If you do that, you ll be a laughing stock.
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SPEAKER_03
Oh, when you re making those claims though, you got to back up your, your, your, your morals and your person by something.
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SPEAKER_00
You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_03
Like it s wild.
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SPEAKER_03
Let s see how it shapes out.
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SPEAKER_03
See how it flows.
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SPEAKER_03
Anywho, Kayflay on the way, right?
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SPEAKER_03
Let s do it.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
Very exciting.
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SPEAKER_03
There s a lot of other stuff that I wanted to get to that we missed that I guess we ll talk tomorrow about.
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SPEAKER_03
This is nuts.
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SPEAKER_03
Dave and Buster s Cameron is going to allow you to bet on... Dave and Buster s and Cameron.
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SPEAKER_03
Well, you like to bet because you have a gambling addiction.
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SPEAKER_04
Whoa.
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SPEAKER_04
Speaking of beefs, speaking of defamation, I am coming after you.
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SPEAKER_04
All you got!
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SPEAKER_04
Uh, no.
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SPEAKER_04
I don t have an addiction.
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SPEAKER_04
No, you do feel a rush from it.
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SPEAKER_04
It s only because it s not legal where I live.
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SPEAKER_04
Otherwise, I would have an addiction.
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SPEAKER_04
You know what I m saying?
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SPEAKER_05
And I m pissed because at the Kentucky Derby, a horse named Dan won.
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SPEAKER_04
Are you serious?
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SPEAKER_05
If I was betting, I would ve been like, yeah, I would ve put all my money on that just because we share a name.
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SPEAKER_05
And I would ve won a fortune.
2
SPEAKER_04
Yeah, but they re gonna allow people to bet on arcade games.
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SPEAKER_04
I don t really know how this works.
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SPEAKER_04
I like that.
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SPEAKER_04
For anyone 18 and over.
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SPEAKER_04
What does that mean, though?
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SPEAKER_04
And win cash?
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SPEAKER_04
Like you can bet on skee-ball?
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SPEAKER_04
I have no idea.
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SPEAKER_04
I just saw this headline over the weekend.
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SPEAKER_04
Do you know anything about it, Jordan?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, so basically, sorry, let me just pull up the notes.
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SPEAKER_04
Oh, here it is.
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SPEAKER_04
So you can make a $5, you know Hot Shots, the basketball game?
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SPEAKER_04
Yes.
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SPEAKER_04
You can make a $5 wager on that.
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SPEAKER_04
Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_03
And then you can bet on skeeball competitions.
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SPEAKER_03
But the betting function is expected to launch in the next few months.
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SPEAKER_03
It s going to work through the company s app.
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SPEAKER_03
Everything is through an app these days.
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SPEAKER_03
And if you re over 18, you re going to be able to place real money wagers on arcade games with your
2
SPEAKER_04
So, how I believe it s gonna work, Dan, is like, if you and I have played Hotshot, right?
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SPEAKER_04
We both swipe our little player s card, and then we go, how much do you want to bet?
2
$5.
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SPEAKER_04
Whoever wins, instead of winning tickets, you win, like, the play credit from the other person.
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SPEAKER_04
Cash.
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SPEAKER_03
Can you convert that to cash?
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SPEAKER_04
No, I don t think so.
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SPEAKER_04
You can t cash it out.
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SPEAKER_04
And I think that s how they re legally doing it.
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SPEAKER_04
I don t like that.
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SPEAKER_03
I went to the L.A.
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SPEAKER_03
County Fair over the weekend, and I was ready to play games, and you know when I played games?
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SPEAKER_03
Only after I had to download an app, sign up for an app.
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SPEAKER_03
At the fair?
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SPEAKER_03
At the fair.
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SPEAKER_03
And everything operated through this app, and that s how I bought tickets was through an app.
2
SPEAKER_04
Did you feed AI goats or something, too?
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SPEAKER_03
I knew you were going to hate it, Cameron.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I hate that.
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SPEAKER_03
It s the fair.
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SPEAKER_03
I had a lot of fun, though.
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SPEAKER_03
I enjoyed the fair with my boyfriend.
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SPEAKER_03
It was really romantic and really sweet.
2
SPEAKER_03
Did you buy food through an app, too?
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SPEAKER_04
No, everything was Apple Pay, though.
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SPEAKER_04
Really easy.
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SPEAKER_04
Did you eat a fried stick of butter or anything?
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SPEAKER_03
Nah, but we did uh, we did a lot.
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SPEAKER_03
We did the donuts.
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SPEAKER_03
We got this ginormous like pyramid of french fries and uh What else we do zucchini?
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SPEAKER_03
We got some fried zucchini nice and thick Um, yeah a lot of stuff a lot of food Uh, you know what?
2
SPEAKER_03
I was getting a lot of caramel apples.
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SPEAKER_03
I love that so delicious.
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SPEAKER_03
They cut them up.
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SPEAKER_03
I gotta say
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SPEAKER_03
You know, if there s any, like, child protective service people that, like, have nothing to do, you should, like, go to a— I m sure you re all very busy and very overworked, genuinely.
2
SPEAKER_03
There s a lot of stuff going on in our society.
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SPEAKER_03
But definitely at the fair, there s a lot of underage kids working.
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SPEAKER_03
It s really crazy.
2
SPEAKER_03
So the way this thing— Have you heard about how, like, fair people live?
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SPEAKER_04
You know?
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SPEAKER_04
I was distracted by all the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beats.
2
SPEAKER_03
This is something else I figured out over the weekend.
2
SPEAKER_03
The fair people have a whole different life.
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SPEAKER_03
They re like the modern-day circus people.
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SPEAKER_04
Circus.
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SPEAKER_04
They re the modern-day circus people.
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SPEAKER_03
I m telling you, this is a reality show.
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SPEAKER_03
So the fair people who run all the stands, like, oh, you want some fried legs?
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SPEAKER_03
You want some fairy floss cotton candy?
2
SPEAKER_03
You want some chopped up caramel apples?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, we know what they sell.
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SPEAKER_03
What do they do?
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SPEAKER_03
They travel to all the different fairs, not just all over the country, but all over the world.
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SPEAKER_03
And they travel as families.
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SPEAKER_03
I swear to you guys, I ordered chopped, like cut up caramel apple, like cut up apple with caramel on top.
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SPEAKER_03
And the lady takes the order and she screams to the back to a child that couldn t be older than four and a half.
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SPEAKER_04
You need to work for a bit.
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SPEAKER_03
Five years old at the most.
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SPEAKER_03
And he is responsible for standing up on the counter to scoop the caramel, putting it all over my apples.
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SPEAKER_03
He did a terrible job.
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SPEAKER_03
Really small amount of caramel, really terrible coverage of the apples.
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SPEAKER_03
I mean, it was just really bad.
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SPEAKER_03
And I think that s what really sparked my want and desire to uncover the underbelly that is the fair life.
2
SPEAKER_03
I think most people are pretty aware of that, yeah.
2
SPEAKER_03
What, that all children are working to keep these stands afloat?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
That s crazy.
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SPEAKER_03
This is the first I learned of it.
2
SPEAKER_03
This kid literally was five years old, guys.
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SPEAKER_03
This kid can t be working.
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SPEAKER_03
Also, he s not good.
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SPEAKER_04
So what you re trying to say is he should be fired and thrown out onto the streets.
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SPEAKER_04
Like a circus people.
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SPEAKER_03
He s just a kid.
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SPEAKER_03
He should be doing something else on a Saturday night.
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SPEAKER_03
Not ruining my fair experience by poorly covering my apples with caramel.
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SPEAKER_03
I don t want boogers in my caramel apples.
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SPEAKER_03
That s what I kept thinking.
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SPEAKER_03
I was like, oh my god, his hands are like shockingly close to it all.
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SPEAKER_03
Like, I don t know where your hands are, but you re a kid.
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SPEAKER_03
There s Barbie shoes in it and stuff.
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SPEAKER_03
It was very weird.
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SPEAKER_05
It was very weird.
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SPEAKER_05
The food you re eating at a fair is worse than whatever is on his hands.
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SPEAKER_05
Like, you re at a fair eating fried butters.
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SPEAKER_04
A hundred percent.
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SPEAKER_05
And you re worried about a little bit of dirt under his fingernails?
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SPEAKER_05
Daniel.
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SPEAKER_03
He s five years old.
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SPEAKER_03
Why are you working?
2
SPEAKER_03
Entrepreneur.
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SPEAKER_03
What else is he gonna do?
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SPEAKER_03
I don t know, go play Nintendo Switch.
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SPEAKER_03
He s at the fair, he can t do that.
2
SPEAKER_03
No, go play the game at the fair!
2
SPEAKER_03
But you know, then I thought to myself, oh it sucks, the fair people, they must hate the fair.
2
SPEAKER_03
Like the fair is never- Yeah, it s work!
2
SPEAKER_05
That s their job, yeah, it s not a fair for them.
2
SPEAKER_03
Oh my god, that was your lightbulb moment?
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SPEAKER_03
These kids will grow up never liking the fair, because that s where this- this is where he works.
2
SPEAKER_03
You really lifted the curtain on that one.
2
SPEAKER_03
Wow.
2
SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
2
SPEAKER_04
Holy crap.
2
SPEAKER_03
Uh, I got a TV show in there.
2
SPEAKER_03
Yeah, there s several in there, right?
2
SPEAKER_04
Yeah, in bed cameras and to the people who like to see his work.
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SPEAKER_04
I have a name.
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SPEAKER_04
I m not gonna give it to you.
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SPEAKER_04
Give it to us.
2
SPEAKER_05
Life Unfair.
2
SPEAKER_05
Oh, wow.
2
SPEAKER_05
I like that.
2
SPEAKER_04
Trademark copyright me.
2
SPEAKER_05
That s pretty good.
2
SPEAKER_05
No, it s really good.
2
SPEAKER_05
And you re probably gonna steal and run with any claim that you created it.
2
SPEAKER_04
Yeah, because you know what, Dan?
2
SPEAKER_04
It s not about who created it first, it s about who copyrighted it first.
2
SPEAKER_04
You know, get signed off, trademark, all that stuff.
2
SPEAKER_03
That s America, man.
2
SPEAKER_04
Kelsey, get our legal on the phone.
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SPEAKER_04
You don t have them.
2
SPEAKER_04
We ll wait.
2
SPEAKER_03
Anyway, Kay Flay is going to be here in a few.
2
SPEAKER_03
Very exciting.
2
SPEAKER_03
She s looking to hang out with you and we re going to do it live right here on the Amazon Music Twitch channel.
2
SPEAKER_03
Give it a follow, please.
2
SPEAKER_03
Tell your friends that we re here, making sure you end your day right.
2
SPEAKER_03
Chat, get active too.
2
SPEAKER_03
Leave your questions and thoughts in there, okay?
2
SPEAKER_03
We re looking, we re talking, we re here.
2
SPEAKER_01
We promise the show is better than Zach s driving, but that s not saying much.
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SPEAKER_01
Zach s saying show.
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SPEAKER_03
could be I don t know when d you get it the other day oh my god we re really having a conversation of like can you judge somebody based on the car that they have my name is Zach that is in we welcome to the
3
SPEAKER_02
Studio, Kay Flay.
3
SPEAKER_02
Hello.
3
SPEAKER_02
Like, what does one s car say about them?
3
SPEAKER_02
And you re judging my Tesla right now.
3
SPEAKER_02
I mean, you kind of prejudged your Tesla.
3
SPEAKER_02
I just knew it could say something.
3
SPEAKER_00
Well, every car, everything says something, right?
3
SPEAKER_00
We re all wearing clothes.
3
SPEAKER_00
Totally.
3
SPEAKER_00
Everything says something, which is actually kind of good, meaning abounds.
3
SPEAKER_00
However, my personal stance, and I just said this to you guys, I want my car to say nothing about me.
3
SPEAKER_00
I just want any person could drive my car.
3
SPEAKER_00
That makes me feel very relaxed.
3
SPEAKER_00
But I also understand that like cars are like an expression of personal taste and identity.
3
SPEAKER_00
However, I would say getting a Tesla like two days ago is... No, I ve had Teslas before.
3
SPEAKER_01
Oh, so you re loyal.
3
SPEAKER_01
Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
It s my third one.
3
SPEAKER_01
Okay.
3
SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_01
Loyalty changes it a little.
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Okay.
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What is... So do you judge the Tesla because of Elon Musk?
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Well right, that s where I m going with it, just cause he s... Let s talk about it Well he s a pretty odious figure at this point I would say, right?
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That s a pretty universal... Yeah, I genuinely do not agree with anything that he does Right, but to your point, you take anything far enough up the chain
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there s an evil person at the top, right?
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A hundred percent.
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Like you think the guy who s really running Toyota or Honda is not corrupt?
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His name is Dr. Toyota.
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It s not the same as like Elon Musk is perpetuating a very, very dangerous thing with Twitter and like the way he really has no problem.
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Like he controls the masses in a very unique way that not many billionaires can say they do.
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That being said,
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I have enjoyed my car so much that I don t have to think about it.
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And I don t even want to give him the credit because I don t believe it was him.
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Totally.
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I agree with that.
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I do not think he had anything to do with it.
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Absolutely nothing.
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But whoever has figured out the process of the ease of the buying process to
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allowing me to have a car that requires zero maintenance for the entire time I own it.
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I ve never had to change anything outside of like when I rolled over a nail, not a single tire, there s no oil to change, there s not a single point of maintenance.
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On top of that, it is so incredibly safe and so much science has gone into it all that like, I don t know, I really have enjoyed the process and it s very conflicting.
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I was like, I can still give this Tesla back and I ve thought about it.
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Well, I think you re pinpointing a dilemma of the time, which is like, we all know too much.
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You know, we used to kind of, not to say that like, now there is no ignorance, of course, there s tons of it, but like, there s a lot of information out there.
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And so it makes decisions incredibly complicated.
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I think it s why a lot of people feel very paralyzed when they re making decisions.
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It s like,
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How do you move forward?
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It s really interesting.
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And you studied psychology at Stanford.
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I did, yes.
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It s an interesting time we live in over the last few years, especially in culture and the way we consume information, parasocial relationships.
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Absolutely.
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I do think there is, and I wonder how you guys feel about this, but
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The inundation, the sheer act of consuming is exhausting.
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Which is like to say you ve done nothing, right?
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Like you may have been inert in bed, like laying down and you may be exhausted.
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merely by the process of engaging with all facets of the world.
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Like the first time I ever was on TikTok for more than 30 minutes, I burst out crying.
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I called my girlfriend sobbing.
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I was like, I ve seen too much.
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Like I saw too many things.
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I saw like some person who had gotten like in a car accident.
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They were talking about it.
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Then I saw like an inspirational story.
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Then I saw like a guy getting a haircut.
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Then I saw, it was just- Think about the highs and lows one s going through in that very small amount of time.
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Oh my God, truly, truly.
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It was like more than my psyche could withstand.
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before I had really been like accustomed to it in any way I remember I called her from like some random hotel on the road and was like I just watched TikTok for 30 minutes and I m so scared and I m crying It s wild because in that moment you re expected to just keep moving but the psychological impact if you really take the time needed to think about what you just watched Yeah Like nobody s given time to process any of it
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Oh my God, it used to be that like, not to be like way back when, but there used to be like whole shows devoted to like a single haircut, like a 30 minute TV show devoted to one haircut.
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You know what I mean?
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And I say that because I love watching haircut videos, but anyway, that s just me.
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I love men s haircuts, love men s haircuts.
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Why?
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Just find it really relaxing.
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It s satisfying, the clippers.
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A nice fade, a nice taper.
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Exactly.
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And I also kind of like, there s a perverse part of me.
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I think the haircuts are so ugly, a lot of them, like the burst, taper, fade, all this stuff.
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I don t like the look of it.
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But I kind of like watching it happen.
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It s so detailed.
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It s so specific.
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Anyway.
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Interesting.
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I could be, I feel like I could be a barber.
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You think so?
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I mean, by the way, that s how you started in music, right?
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You just heard pop music and you re like, oh, I think I could do this.
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Yeah.
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And then you made a, what started as kind of like a parody joke song and you go, this is pretty fucking good.
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Yeah.
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Blingity, what is it?
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Blingity bling?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I think like, you know, for me too, it was, I was such a regimented teenager.
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I really like did everything you were kind of supposed to do.
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I played by the rules and it was really nice to have
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Realm a mode of expression where I could just do whatever and no one had any expectation of me including myself So it s a very is very liberating.
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So perhaps me becoming a barber Would be equally Liberating because I don t know maybe I d pioneer a whole new thing.
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Exactly.
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I mean the power of the beginner Like that s you yo, yo ma, let s go.
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Have you guys know this book?
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No, I mean I
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That s great.
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I mean, Yo-Yo Ma is a cellist.
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Yeah, I know him.
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He has a book.
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I actually think it might even be free to listen to if you... Audible, try it out.
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I think it s on Audible.
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I think it was like an Audible exclusive or something like that.
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Definitely is.
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Is this right, what I m saying?
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I mean, I would assume, so I m gonna go with it.
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Okay.
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Good Audible.
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Anyway, but it s about beginner s mind.
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And even as you re an expert, even as you carry on in the field, always having the mindset of the first timer.
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And that s genuinely how one does not get comfortable but stays challenged and fresh and innovative and not stagnant.
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And that is, yes, that is the only way that one who does something for so long has the ability to stay great at that one thing while also mastering other stuff.
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It s like, yeah, maybe it s time for you to give Dan a haircut.
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You want, right here?
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Wow.
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Hey, go to the- Wouldn t that be crazy if we did that right now?
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Yeah, Kelsey, go to the office supply closet and grab a pair of scissors.
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Kelsey s getting clippers.
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I probably need clippers.
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Your hair s kind of short.
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Yeah, I get clippers on the side.
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No, I feel like you could kind of assess it based on the YouTube.
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I will say, I ve given men haircuts before.
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That s the first time I ve ever told anyone that.
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That s crazy.
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Yeah.
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Anyways.
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Out of this, like because nobody else was around?
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Yeah.
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Like in college, my boyfriend, I gave haircuts, you know, like stuff like that.
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My friends back when like no one had money.
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Haircuts are expensive.
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They are.
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Also like, I think that with someone with short hair, the stakes feel very low.
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It s gonna grow out, you know what I mean?
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Or worst case, just buzz it.
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It s very low stakes.
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But Zach, your hair is more high stakes.
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Yeah, you could really mess it up and see it.
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I could really mess it up.
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Yeah, you know.
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So that s the haircut we should do.
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Terrified, I m okay.
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You mentioned your boyfriend.
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Is it weird to think, I don t know, about so long ago, a whole other version of yourself, genuinely?
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Than the one that s hanging out here today?
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Than the one who has a girlfriend here today?
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Well, you know, I feel pretty consistent even though there are a lot of things I ve realized about myself and certainly my conception of my own sexuality massively has changed.
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My friends are like all the same and a lot of the people in my life have remained very constant throughout my life.
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It does feel crazy in one sense, but in another way, it makes a lot of sense.
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Do you guys feel very different to your 18-year-old self?
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Not really, but also yes in some ways.
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It s hard.
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I live with my boyfriend now.
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Even the thought of me dating a chick back in the day, very weird.
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Not weird, but not weird at all actually.
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I don t know, it s interesting.
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I don t think about it.
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I ask you and I haven t thought about it myself.
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I guess the reason I answer this way is everything s felt very authentic to me.
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Historically, I ve been attracted to men and women, so that feels correct.
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fully had the sense of self or even like sense of awareness to be like, oh, I should try like dating a woman.
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I was kind of just like, I don t know.
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What was I thinking about?
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Not that.
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Can you listen to your music at the time and get an idea?
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Or did the timelines overlap, right?
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Music to that phase of your life?
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No, I mean, I started, I didn t date a woman until, uh, what s it s 2024, six years ago.
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So I ve been making music forever.
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I was like three albums.
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I was making my third record.
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Yeah.
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So you really can listen to your record back then and understand who you are now.
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Definitely.
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I think it didn t have so much to do with my sexuality as it had to do with my relationship to being a musician, being on the road, drinking alcohol.
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Those things feel much more present and top of mind for me when I think back to my first two records.
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Because those first two records I was still kind of
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I don t want to say lost, but I was sort of figuring out how to be a person in this industry, which is quite hard to do.
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Especially for me, when I started, I was kind of thrown into these all-male alternative rock environments.
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And I was like, you re supposed to drink whiskey.
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You know, that s kind of the attitude is like, yeah, we work hard, we play hard, we party, get up.
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And while I think there s experiences that I ve had with drinking that have been positive for my personal development,
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It doesn t agree with me emotionally.
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And my biological dad died of substance abuse.
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So it became a very fraught time.
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So the music to me at that moment really reflected that and that relationship.
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But I also think like being very open about my sexuality and engaging with it helped me to just in general be in line with like, hey, how do I want to be in this world?
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Like, yeah, I can also like be on tour with someone who s like, I love drinking.
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You should drink whiskey.
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And I m like, I don t want to.
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And they re like, yeah, no problem.
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So I think it was a little bit just like, hey, this life is what you make it.
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We all carve our own paths and I think, yeah, it just took me a little time to get that confidence in a way.
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And you re sober now.
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I am, yeah.
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You should be so proud of that.
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Thank you.
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It s really hard and really incredible.
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You know, I find it to be a very relaxing way to live.
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And I didn t, when I first started making music, I also didn t drink or anything.
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So I spent like maybe eight or so years drinking alcohol and kind of got my, got my fill.
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Do you remember the day you like woke up, you re like, yeah, I got to stop this.
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This isn t working out.
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Yes, um, I was just talking about this.
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Um, and it wasn t like a, you know, I consider myself to be sober, but not like capital S. So I m not in like a recovery thing or whatever.
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I just sort of was like, Hey, I want to stop doing this.
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It doesn t it doesn t suit me.
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But I it was like a couple days into the pandemic.
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I was like, feel like I should
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Quit drinking.
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And everybody starts drinking.
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Yeah.
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Well, I kind of had a vision, you know, I had this like flat, I had like a raven, a that s so raven moment of my own life.
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I was like, you know, just imagining this, this kind of really isolated type of drinking, which for me just feels very scary.
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Yeah, it s dark.
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Really scary.
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And it s, and by the way, that s not scary for everyone and not dark for everyone necessarily, but for me definitely felt that way.
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So kind of had that vision.
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We had had like a Zoom birthday party for my tour manager.
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And we all like, you know, we re cheersing, beers, whatever.
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I woke up next day, I m like, I think, I think it s over for me.
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And I had said previously for the past few years, like, I m going to quit drinking soon.
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It was, I was like gearing up for it.
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And then it happened and I was like, I need all my wits about me.
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Because what I love about being sober is at any moment of the day or night, you can call me and I m ready.
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I m firing on all cylinders.
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I can be your who wants to be a millionaire question.
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I can come pick you up.
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I can do anything.
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You re the phone a friend.
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Yeah, I am phone a friend.
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And there s so much self-esteem and happiness that comes with that.
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I m not a parent, but my siblings are, and I feel like for them, being someone that these kids can really rely on, it s very empowering.
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You know?
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It s really special.
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Yeah.
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And actually, speaking of my nephews, I put a picture of my nephew on this coffee.
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Oh, did you?
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I did.
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Yeah.
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Here at Amazon, we have a special machine that will print a photo on your coffee.
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Listen, life s good.
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Life is good.
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Life s good.
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It s interesting, like I ve kind of been the same way with cannabis recently, or recently for a while, where I ve been like, oh I m gonna quit, I m gonna quit, I m gonna quit.
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But I m waiting, I think eventually I m gonna wake up and be like, oh, it s over.
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Yeah, I think- Could be for good, could be for not good, I don t know.
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Right.
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Don t you think it s kind of foolish to say
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to have the audacity to believe you know what will occur.
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So it s like, yeah, I abstain from drinking.
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That s what s right for me.
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Yesterday, today, my guess is it s right for me tomorrow, probably for a long time.
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Shit is always changing.
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So I think not locking yourself into, well, now I ve stopped.
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And sometimes, I didn t talk a ton about not drinking for a while just because I didn t, I wasn t even sure where I stood with it.
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So I also think you could quit cannabis and not tell anyone for a year.
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Just see how it goes.
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Like no one has to know.
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Are you a therapist?
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Well, see that s maybe another thing I should do.
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Well, yeah, I mean you re a great conversationalist, but I think your psych degree from fucking Stanford is showing.
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Well, thanks.
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You just have a good approach to situations.
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I mean, that s the right way to look at life, right?
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I hope so.
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Is that it s about yesterday, today, and maybe tomorrow.
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Yeah.
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God willing.
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Well, it s how you put it kind of into perspective and not to get lost and overwhelmed by the thought of forever.
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Well, I spent, yeah, no, the thought of forever.
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Infinity will destroy the mind, you know?
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Totally.
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So yes, I think staying grounded to what is happening and actually enjoying it.
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I listened to, I was listening to Mark Maron s interview with Chris Pine on my run this morning.
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And they talked about Danny DeVito, because I guess he s in his new movie.
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And he was saying, like, Danny DeVito loves every aspect of being an actor, like, loves being at craft service, making jokes, loves being on set, loves waiting around, loves doing press, like, just a dude who s down for it all and enjoys it.
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And to me, that s, I always love hearing about people who ve been doing anything for a long time, still find a lot of joy because I think anytime,
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Anytime you re fully in the present, you do have the potential to be delighted and enriched, you know?
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And so this conversation, I m grateful to have it, even though I m kind of dominating it because of the format of an interview.
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I love it, but also very grateful as well.
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It s great.
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It s the progress of your job.
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Now I m monologuing.
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You re doing a good job.
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But you know what I mean?
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It just makes everything...
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I don t know.
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Do you use your college degree in the music you make, or at least in the creative process?
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You know, I use it in the sense that being a musician, and I know you guys talk to a lot of musicians, it s really just like, for most people, at kind of every level, it s a massive DIY enterprise.
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And it s being, I think, a really diligent
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learner and kind of producer of lots of different things.
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So I feel like the biggest way my education has impacted me is just in work ethic and desire to learn and also kind of a confidence that I can learn because I think a lot of people
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I meet, they re like, oh, but I can t do it.
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I m like, you can learn, you re smart.
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You could do it, no problem.
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And so, and I think having the background of like, having gone to a, you know, kind of a prestigious place, you re sort of, I guess implied in that a little bit as like, you can do it.
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You know, and that s very empowering.
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I feel like everyone deserves that, but not everybody is able to experience it.
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Totally agree.
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So anyways, if you re watching or listening, you could do it probably.
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Unless like, you know, there are certain things that are just physically impossible.
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Like I can t play in the NBA.
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Yeah, I mean within certain limitations, but you gotta go for it.
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Within reason.
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But consistency is a big part of why people make it That s the reason I have a career, truly It s the reason we re here I show up, I m on time I keep putting out records, I m working on my sixth record right now, full length record Not to mention like EPs, mixtapes, collabs, whatever And you just put one out in September I just put one out Mono by the way, you can listen to it on Amazon Music, it s great Thank you It s great Thanks You re doing it all on your own
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Oh, no, no, no.
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I have tons of collaborators, but I m not sure how this next record, I m kind of taking a different approach with this next record as I m just beginning, just beginning the process.
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So basically, I just finished a tour, like a very special, really, really inspiring tour last month.
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I have more tour dates like this summer and this fall and stuff.
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So in between that, I m beginning to do the like,
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The witch s brew, you know, I m like percolating.
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I m letting ideas simmer.
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I m reading a lot of books.
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I m watching a lot of movies.
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I m having just a lot of conversations.
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Like, you know, I want to give you a haircut in the auditorium, you know.
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That s like an interesting thing to say, like, I want to give you a haircut on TV.
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I don t know what it means, but it s evocative.
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And I wouldn t have thought about it if we hadn t had this chat.
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So I m in that place.
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But no, I will be working with producers.
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I have many different collaborators, probably some new people.
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Yeah, new people or the same people?
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I mean, I honestly don t even know.
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I m still, I m very early.
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I m just beginning.
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Like literally I just started like two weeks ago.
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Just writing.
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How do you know you re beginning?
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Do you force yourself to start or does it just happen?
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I force myself to start.
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This is like, relates to the power of deadlines.
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So why are you giving yourself a deadline for another album even though you just had one?
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Because I just can t wait to do it again.
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I enjoy it.
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Really?
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I enjoy it quite much.
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What do you enjoy the most about making music?
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I enjoy how very nascent thoughts in my head become clear as I write.
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So I have the inkling of a feeling, and then I start writing, and then it becomes a tangible thing.
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I sort of make sense of my own experience as I m going, and there s something very delightful about that.
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I love wordplay, I love word games, I think rhyming is incredibly fun.
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So there s like a puzzle aspect of it as well.
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You know, just like when you re doing spelling bee or a crossword puzzle.
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It s kind of delightful.
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I think writing music is similar.
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Are you writing from imagination or from reality?
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A mix.
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I mean, there s an argument to be said that, you know, there is no reality.
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It s all imagination.
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So I think
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I think I m largely writing from my reality, but also informed by everyone in my life.
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Because a lot of songs, I sort of take my experience and meld it with the community of my peers and the people around me.
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So a lot of people are like, man, that song was so dark.
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Are you in trouble?
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And I m like, well, no.
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It s kind of a mix of all.
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So it s, again, that witch s brew.
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Explain to me that there really is, what is the argument you re about to make?
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That there is no reality?
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That imagination is reality?
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Well, right, like I m, not to get too heady about it, but like I m experiencing reality.
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To me, it is real.
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It could actually be very different from what you think is happening.
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But same people would say that this is a shared reality as we re both living it actively.
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Totally, totally.
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I just mean shades of it are different.
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I agree that I m, I am here in Culver City.
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Yeah, where you re sitting like I could look, you know, like you can look at me and see a shade of purple and Sam can look at me and see a shade of orange.
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Right.
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So all I m saying is that reality is an experience, right?
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Who s interested in the fact of reality?
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I mean, maybe someone like a physicist, but like, what I m interested is in the experience of reality.
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Who cares what s actually happening, right?
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Like, all that matters is how it feels to you.
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That s what s kind of, that s what s like, that s the stuff, that s the sticky stuff.
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So
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I guess that s what I mean by their reality is imagination, because how we all perceive everything, it s totally contextual, which is what s beautiful.
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And not to quote this interview I listened to, but I just listened to it again this morning.
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They were talking about as an actor, the whole point is to be you, because there s only one you.
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You know?
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You go to the movies to see... I mean, factually, each person has seven doppelgangers out there, but that s a conversation for another day.
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Sure.
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Say more on that.
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You have seven doppelgangers.
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Send her home with a receipt of links, please.
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Okay.
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I don t deny.
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Seven doppelgangers.
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Seven people out there look just like you.
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Did you read the book Doppelganger by Naomi Klein?
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No, but I watched this TV show in the UK where they found these doppelgangers and they were looking for the pair that looks the most like each other and acts the most like each other.
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And what happened?
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There s like 12 pairs of people that are twins that have never met before.
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It s crazy.
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And they act the same.
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And they act the same.
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So what do you think that is?
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What s the conclusion?
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I mean, I don t know.
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I have no idea.
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I don t know if the point is for there to be a conclusion outside of DNA is like, I mean, there s only so many shades of a person.
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I mean, personality wise is different than physicality and aesthetics, but like, it is crazy that you can have two people through all the lines of DNA find someone who can like scientifically be so close to your strand of DNA.
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as well.
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Yeah, I m intrigued about the end point of that or maybe there is no end point.
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I don t know if there s an end point.
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Maybe it s a curiosity.
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Yeah.
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It s an unanswered question.
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Well, I guess just to return to reality.
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Sorry.
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No, no, I liked it.
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I think you might be interested in this book or at least listen to the first part of it, Doppelganger.
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Okay.
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It s basically
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without getting too deep into it, there s a person named Naomi Klein and there s a person named Naomi Wolf.
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And they are very, very consistently conflated on the internet and they are very different people.
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And the book is about the experience of one of the Naomi s and this investigation of the nature of a doppelganger and this idea of the shadow self, right?
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And like, think about how many, every superhero, right?
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It s the shadow self.
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We re always like, we re all on the precipice of like the worst version of ourselves, right?
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And then there s that like Jekyll and Hyde thing.
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So anyway, this is a very interesting book.
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Kind of depressing, but quite interesting.
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And she kind of goes on these weird tangents and it s pretty fun.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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You read all the books, eh?
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Love to read.
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Love to enjoy it.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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I wish I loved to read.
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So do I. Can I say how I think you learned to love to read?
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Yeah.
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Did you ever love to read?
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Always hated it.
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Do you have any like dyslexia type stuff?
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No.
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I just, when I get like a page in, I start like forgetting what I read.
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I start dozing off, thinking about other things, falling asleep.
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Well, what I was going to say is I think
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Reading is a muscle for sure.
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I think you have to train to like to read.
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It s kind of like running.
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You only like to run once you re good at it.
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No one likes to run when they re out of shape.
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I ve never met a person who s like starting their running journey and is like, God, I love this.
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You know, so I find it very similar because it s, it s, um,
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It s an approach of like diligence.
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It s kind of annoying.
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Sometimes I m annoyed to read and I supposedly love to read, you know?
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But I m like, ugh.
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Like right now I m reading this really long book called The Beasting.
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It s like 700 pages.
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And I m like, when am I gonna be done with this book?
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Even though I love it.
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So it s like, I love it, but I hate it.
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But I love finishing the book.
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I love, you know what I mean?
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It s truly like working out.
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Like working out is so great when it s over.
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You re like, man, I m so glad I did that.
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That s how I feel a lot of the times about books, even books I ve loved.
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I didn t always love it while I was reading it.
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But after.
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But I loved it after.
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Yeah, I don t think I ve ever, I don t think I ve finished a book since, like, To Kill a Mockingbird.
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Oh my God, you should, not to be like, there are so many good books out there.
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There really are, though.
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There s so many good books.
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Yeah, you gotta try it.
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Oh my God.
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And the feeling of, again, power when you finish a book.
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What s the power?
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What do you have?
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What do you get?
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Oh my God.
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Knowledge.
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First of all, well, more so ideas, I think, and insight.
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Novels are a great conduit for empathy.
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I feel like I m going to kind of just say this without fully having the annotations for it.
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I believe there have been psychological studies done where they had people read pieces of nonfiction or fiction, like short story, short fiction, and then had them like read
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about an emotional or morally complex situation.
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And people who read fiction are more compassionate.
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Really?
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Like if after reading fiction, your capacity for empathy and compassion is greater.
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I believe this is true.
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I m kind of just saying it.
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I m 99% sure it s true.
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Oh, this is what you ve been missing.
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So I think that is what is really beautiful about it.
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Like you feel more hopeful.
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Even a sad book, you re just like, you feel more expansive.
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I like this.
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I m gonna try to read a book, I ll report back.
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I think you should read a short book that is enjoyable.
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That s what I need.
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Do you have any recommendations?
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Well, this isn t that short, but it s very enjoyable.
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It s called Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.
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It came out last year, I want to say.
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It s probably in paperback now.
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It s not short, but it s really highly readable.
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But like honestly, read the Da Vinci Code, you know what I m saying?
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You don t have to read like William Faulkner or something And it s also the same as running, you don t start running a marathon Like the first book you read isn t like some cra- Or read like Lord of the Fl- Have you read- Yeah, I ve read Lord of the Frogs Yeah, but how much do you remember?
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I mean- I recently reread it, it s amazing I know, Piggy
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Good.
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Yeah.
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It s worth it.
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I think it is worth it.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever read Lord of the Flies?
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No, I just don t like, I mean, I don t like fantasy.
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I think that s my problem.
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Okay.
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I know Sam, your jaw just dropped.
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That s all you have to say for life.
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Wow.
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I get that.
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I don t read, I don t read fantasy.
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Okay.
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Lord of the Flies.
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I mean, I read Harry Potter.
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Does that count?
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But that s kind of like,
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canon of human experience, don t you think?
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It supersedes fantasy at this point.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Harry Potter is like beyond.
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No, I ve never read Harry Potter.
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Or seen a book.
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Or a movie, I mean.
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That s crazy.
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He s never even seen the movie.
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Never even seen the movies.
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It s nuts.
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What were you doing instead?
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You know, that s a good question.
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Yeah, that s not a critique.
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That s very genuine.
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That s a good question.
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I don t know.
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Now that I think of it, I like sports.
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So when other people are watching movies and reading books, I m like watching sports and things like that.
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And what are your sports and teams?
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Phillies, Flyers, Sixers, Eagles.
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Okay.
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All Philadelphia.
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Right.
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But I do want to get into books because I have a really small vocabulary and I ve wanted to expand that.
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And I just like reading is the best way to do it.
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It is.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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But you need to have comprehension and context abilities.
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That s what he s trying to say.
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Like if you don t know a word, you need comprehension and context skills.
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Yeah.
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I m just saying it may be hard.
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Well, I m going to think about a book.
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I m going to think about a good rec for you.
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All right.
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Yeah, Cat in the Hat.
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But you could also read a book about sports.
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Like a novel about sports.
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Does listening to audiobooks count, or do you actually have to physically read the book?
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I mean, I have my own personal relationship to audiobooks.
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Meaning... Yeah, I guess that isn t really interesting.
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Yeah, it s less interesting.
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So here s the flip side to my, or the thing about books for me.
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So I say I read some books with my eyes, I read some books with my ears.
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The books I read with my ears are pretty much all
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Contemporary romance that I rent from the library.
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I m incidentally 90 years old.
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Wait, you go to the library?
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Well, no, no, online, Libby.
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I really should be a brand ambassador for a free application called Libby.
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Wait, so what is that?
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Okay, do you have an LAPL, Los Angeles Public Library card?
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No.
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Well, you can get one online.
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And then you download this app called Libby.
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By the way, this is any library across the entire United States.
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Oh, wow.
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You download Libby, you link it to your library card, and immediately you have access to free audiobooks, free Kindle books.
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Wait, what?
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Yes.
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I m like proselytizing this thing.
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That s really good.
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So, and you don t pay.
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Whoa.
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Because books are free.
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We re American.
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We ve agreed like as a society that that book should be available.
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Yeah, that s good.
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You know what I mean?
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That s good stuff.
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Don t forget that.
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Don t forget the library.
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It s been a while, honestly.
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By the way, the library is trying to like remind you that it exists, but it doesn t know how.
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Well, it s rebranding.
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How do we tell them?
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They need to talk to me.
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Yeah.
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Truly, I think I have personally been responsible for more people signing up for Libby than like.
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That s great.
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Maybe anyone else.
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It s just great, it s free.
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So I m listening to at any time a book that s pretty low on the like, it s not a complicated book, right?
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I m reading it to relax.
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I m reading it while I do dishes.
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I m reading it to like engage with these feelings of like, oh my God, love.
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Love is so beautiful.
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Like you find authentic love when you connect to your authentic self.
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That s so great.
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It s very nice to be reminded of that.
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And then I read, you know, more like literary fiction and more like harder books to read or whatever with my eyes.
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Interesting.
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I want to try this.
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Maybe this is what I m missing in life.
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Like have you, you should listen to Red, White and Royal Blue.
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Oh yeah, I ve watched the movie.
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Oh, okay.
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So you kind of know the plot, but I haven t watched the movie, but I have listened to it.
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It s good.
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Oh my God.
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It s delightful.
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Like you finish it and you re like,
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God, I feel good.
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I m gonna try this.
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Please.
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I ll report back.
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Yeah, please.
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You know Bretman Rock?
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Say that again?
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Do you know who Bretman Rock is?
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No.
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Oh, he s a social media star.
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I listened to his autobiography on audiobooks and it was fantastic.
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See, you ve read a book.
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And it was read in his voice.
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Look at you.
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You ve read a book there.
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I m a reader.
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You re a reader.
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That s the type of shit I m talking about.
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And you might have been able to read it for free on a Libby.
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Although you probably have some kind of like free Audible, yeah, I would hope.
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Not one bit.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Motto, by the way, is the album you should listen to.
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It came out in September.
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So are you talking to us while being deaf in one ear?
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Sure am.
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Really?
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Yup.
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Maybe that s why my ear s so itchy right now.
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I m sensing shit.
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Yeah.
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You know what?
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Also, I ve been... So here s the deal.
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I give you a lot of credit.
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That s a really scary thing.
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Thank you.
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It was and is.
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Yeah, so I woke up one day, year and a half ago,
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deaf in this year.
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And- Completely out of nowhere.
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Completely out of nowhere.
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Scary.
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Like I had just, and this, by the way, is not related, even though everyone, like two weeks before that, I had just climbed Mount Kilimanjaro.
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I was in like the best shape of my life.
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I was chilling, getting ready to go to Europe, like on tour, whatever.
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And woke up, crazy vertigo.
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I mean, the whole, I was in the ER.
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No one knew what was happening.
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And yeah, they re like, you have this thing.
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It s kind of like, it s just bad luck.
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It s like a form of just bad luck, you know?
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And there s a few things you can try for like a couple weeks.
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They put shots through your eardrum.
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I was in a hyperbaric oxygen therapy chamber in the basement of UCLA, which was a totally wild experience.
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Every day for like four hours.
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That didn t work.
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And then after three weeks, they re like, okay,
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You re deaf now.
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You re deaf now.
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And I had to do like physical therapy to get my balance back and because it knocks out your equilibrium.
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So how have you regained your equilibrium?
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Well, there s something called vestibular physical therapy.
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Unbelievably.
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So it s for people who have like traumatic brain injury, sudden deafness, concussion.
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And it s like you stand on one foot and like watch a laser, you know, follow a laser like nuts.
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So really, really wacky and very difficult.
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I will say the thing that I m this week has been bugging me so much is so in the ear that doesn t hear.
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I have a constant, very loud ringing and static.
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It s like a phantom limb.
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So like, you know, it s like your brain produces something in the absence of the, and like when sometimes it just gets really loud.
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And the past few days it s been really loud.
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Have you thought about getting a hearing aid, or you just use a- Well, so I can t get a hearing aid because a hearing aid requires some level of hearing.
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Really?
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Not to get into the nitty gritty, but maybe it s interesting.
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It is.
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Yeah, I want to know about it.
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Okay, so a hearing aid requires
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I m going to go ahead and say like maybe 20% hearing there s some threshold where hearing aid can help because basically what a hearing aid does is it amplifies the sound wave because you re you re getting very little signal and that way
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Like the little bit of hairs, cilia in your ear can kind of get that signal.
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Nothing is receiving information for me or anyone who s completely deaf.
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So hearing aid just amplifies nothing, right?
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So the real intervention that is kind of like, I want to say in the last 10 years been used for single-sided deafness is a cochlear implant.
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And so that, again, I don t know if you guys know, but it s basically they put a metal disc, a magnetic disc into your skull, and then there s a receiver that attaches via magnet to your outside.
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And so I m sure you ve seen people like with over the ear and then the little circle.
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And that provides you with your stereo input again, and really helps a lot of people with the tinnitus, the ringing, because that,
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kind of can drive a man insane.
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Yeah, are you worried about it?
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About going insane?
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Yeah, from it?
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Somewhat.
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Yeah, so I m actually- I mean this is love, you can be the most sane person, but there s no way to like-
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It s challenging for sure.
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And it s worse when I m in noisy places, which of course my job is to like be in a noisy place.
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So I actually just began like the process of really, like I m in the process of being like evaluated for the implant.
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So that ll happen like this summer.
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Cause you have to get insurance approvals and all this stuff, but that way it s an option for me.
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That s really one of my greatest fears Well, hey, can I tell you something?
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Yeah It turns out it s also totally okay Yeah, that s... You know what I mean?
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100%, yeah Yeah It s manageable, there s solutions, there s... Yeah, and also just like, you know, life is... Just when we think, like, to me the poetry of like climbing this big mountain and being like, you know, I m so strong and...
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That s what I did at the time.
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Actually, I threw up so much at the time.
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I got, I had a crazy, I get migraines, but when I did this, I got like the world s craziest migraines.
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So when I get them, I throw up.
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So I m on top of this mountain just.
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Projectile vomiting?
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Well, by the time I got to the top, there was nothing left.
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You know, I m just like dry heaving.
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And I was like, this is supposed to be my beautiful experience.
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Everyone is so sick at the top.
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Everyone s like, they look like they re on like opiates.
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You know, everyone s like really, like really zonked out.
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You know, we re not supposed to be up there.
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There s no oxygen.
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There s no oxygen.
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You re not supposed to be, like my friend and I who did it together,
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You know, we re laughing even though we were both just like in such pain.
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We re like, yeah, you know what the message is?
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Go the fuck down.
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There s no birds.
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There s nothing.
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Nothing is meant to be that way.
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Oh my lord Did you need an oxygen to oxygen tank to hike Kilimanjaro?
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No, so they they do you take um, I want to say it s called acetazolamide.
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I think I m saying it correctly which is a drug that increases your red blood cells capacity to hold oxygen
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Sick.
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Yeah.
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Really, very cool.
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So you take that and it s a huge help.
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So it means that most people can make it up there.
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If you haven t been like living at altitude, but it was really like, we got down and we were just laughing.
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My friend Sam and I just laugh.
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We re like, so the question, why did I do that?
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Well, you know, I like a challenge.
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I like things that are these sort of rigorous challenges.
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It was very uncomfortable.
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I m like interested in being uncomfortable.
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But again, the sort of like God laughs thing is like, I do this and then it s like, oh, you thought that was uncomfortable?
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Here s ringing forever.
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Yeah.
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Here s like deafness, confusion, ringing, all your plans canceled.
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What you going to do now?
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And so that was,
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I mean, it was a very scary time, but interestingly, the first song on this record, which is called, Are You Serious?
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I wrote that three weeks after it happened.
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Really?
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So I was already kind of, again, talking about like making meaning out of it or whatever.
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I was already starting to be in that headspace, even though I was very disoriented and very, very distressed and like very thin, you know, I lost all this weight.
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Like I just, I looked,
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It was tough times.
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Well, what are the biggest challenges getting in the studio and making music after, I mean, everything changes from when you started years ago.
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Biggest challenge, biggest challenge is recording vocals.
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Because I always used to, just how you re wearing your headphones, monitoring ear, hearing ear.
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that s how I could gauge my pitch and understand like my performance was like, right, I can hear how it sounds with the processing and in context, and then I can hear it in the room.
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Now I can t hear it in the room, right?
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I ve got just, I have to hear it with the track.
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So that took, that took time.
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And actually I think kind of set me free in certain ways because I just, you know what I mean?
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I couldn t even analyze it.
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Like mentally that allows you to focus on other things.
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Totally.
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Also, you know, this experience with the deafness, not to say it s my last fuck to give because I m sure I have many more that I don t even know about.
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But there are times where I ve just been like, I m sober, gay, half deaf, like, come at me.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I m just like, what can I do?
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You know, even though lots of things, but it s, but you know what I mean?
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Like, I m just like.
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Sure, it s a lot of life to you when it rains it pours and it s fucking pouring.
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It s pouring.
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So that s kind of cool about it.
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Oh my god.
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Have you had any thought of learning sign language?
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Because that s one of the languages I really want to learn.
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Because I do have a secret fear of going deaf.
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Okay, well, can I tell you what you should really do if you re afraid of going deaf?
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Yeah.
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You should get molded earplugs.
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Wear them to every live concert you attend, every sports game you attend.
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Sports games, by the way, Dr. Philadelphia, are like 150 decibels or whatever.
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These places are so loud.
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So get molded earplugs.
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They re super comfy.
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They cost like probably 250 bucks to have done.
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And you can get them with multiple levels of decibel reduction.
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You could be wearing them, I mean, you re on headphones right now, but you could be wearing them right now and still hear me and hear everything, but be protected.
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So honestly, do that.
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Take magnesium citrate every day, which is actually, helps prevent hearing, exposure-related hearing loss.
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Your greatest risk of having any type of deafness is from sound exposure.
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So protect your ears.
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Anything else?
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Hmm.
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I mean, don t listen to your AirPods super loud.
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Like, protect your ears.
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Well, you listen to all of it.
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Your headphones are always way too loud.
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Yeah, but I only listen to headphones here now.
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Yeah, but how long, how many hours are you here?
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Oh, a long time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I ll fix that.
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So I would just like turn it down.
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Start getting used to a lower volume.
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I m gonna do like one of those TikToks.
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Have you ever seen those TikToks where they re like, oh, my friend was a nurse for like 15 years and she learned this?
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I m gonna do like, my friend just lost her hearing in one year.
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And then we ll do, you ll give me tips.
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It ll go viral.
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Definitely.
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I feel like this is a huge, like the more people should be talking about how you lost hearing in one year abruptly years ago and still are an incredible fucking musician and haven t skipped a beat.
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Thank you.
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Well, partially I don t, I never wanted to like co-opt it.
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That, I mean, dude, it takes a lot of strength.
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That is wild.
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I have an ear infection right now and I m like...
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Oh, I m sorry.
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You know, I ve never had an ear infection.
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No, but I hear they re horrible.
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I ve never had one.
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Can you believe that?
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Just building up the ear infections every time I didn t get one.
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No, but actually, you know what?
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Probably the reason I went deaf is because a virus mistakenly gets into your inner ear.
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It just sneaks in.
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and like kind of blows up.
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Really?
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Yup.
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So there was no way to prevent this?
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No.
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This was going to happen whether you want to or not?
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No.
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And that s like, that s the thing about bad luck.
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Were you experiencing pain?
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That s the liberating thing about bad luck.
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Was there any pain leading up to it?
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No.
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When I tell you, I woke up being like, oh, there must be something in my ear.
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Right?
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How in God s name would I ever think like, oh, I just went suddenly deaf.
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I scheduled an appointment with urgent care.
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I m feeling kind of weird.
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I start driving.
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I m on the 10.
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I start feeling really weird.
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Really weird.
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I d never been dizzy in my life like that before.
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I m getting really scared.
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Well, I was almost at the urgent care.
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I m like just holding it together with everything I have I had called I Guess I had maybe My girlfriend knew what was happening and she was getting ready to like come meet me at this place.
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I
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And we actually weren t exclusive at the time.
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And her like showing up for me in this way, in this time was just... That s real.
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That s a big Sarah shout out.
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She s really like... And that was when my friends afterwards were like, dude, she s the best.
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Yeah, marry her.
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Yeah, like true.
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Just like this is a good... Because the way she communicated with my friends and family too, because she was like in the ER with me, just very, very kind.
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But I called my parents.
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because it s quite early in the morning on a Saturday.
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Not many people are even awake.
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It s like 7am, something like that.
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And I was like, something s wrong.
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They re just like, it s okay.
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We re on the line with you just park.
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My mom s like, take a picture of where your car s parked because it was in a like in a whatever, which was such a great idea because my other friends had to drive pick up my car.
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And, and then I just started throwing up, like intractably vomiting.
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What happens when you go to the urgent care like that?
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Do they ship you off to the ER or do they take care of you?
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Yes.
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They, well, she looked in my ear and then the dreaded, the dreaded, Oh God, I still feel it.
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She was like, there s nothing in your ear.
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And I was like, Oh God, you know, you know, when you re just getting bad news.
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But she doesn t even know in that moment what s happening.
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No, but she goes, you need to go to the ER.
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I mean, yeah, it s bad.
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Yeah, you know, and then it was just this thing You re hoping you have a fucking spider in there, something you saw on TikTok Exactly Much rather have a spider in there than nothing I mean, the greatest ghost of all is nothing That was a bar Yeah, write that one down Yeah, please That was good It s why the wind is so scary So true
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Where does it come from?
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Literally?
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No one knows.
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I m so scared of wind.
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I get it.
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I find wind very unsettling.
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You ever been in a windstorm?
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Yes!
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Like a derecho.
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Too many times!
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Like a... what s the other name for those?
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A brouhaha or something?
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It s not.
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A brouhaha?
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No, I m dead ass serious.
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It s like a beluba or something.
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It has a crazy name.
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Please, will you look this up?
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Wait, what s it called?
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Say derecho... Well, I don t know how to spell that one.
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I just remember I got a small vocabulary.
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D-E-R-E-C-H-O, like, and then type in like B, like beluba or something like that.
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Haboob.
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It s called a Haboob, I swear to God.
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Google Haboob.
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Look it up.
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I m looking it.
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Look it up.
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Google Haboob.
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You don t spell Haboob?
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H-A-B-O-O-B.
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H-A-B-O-O-B, so Haboob.
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Yeah.
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Haboob.
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Oh, it s called, yeah, Haboob.
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What is it?
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Do you have a definition?
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Please, read this aloud.
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Okay, one second.
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Haboob?
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If you can.
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This is the test.
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A haboob is a type of intense dust storm carried on an atmospheric gravity current, also known as a weather front.
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Haboobs occur regularly in dry land area regions throughout the world.
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Oh, I ve been like, yeah, in the desert if there s a sandstorm or something.
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Yeah, I ve been in a haboob in Phoenix.
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Ah.
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It was... If anyone s listening from Phoenix... Tell me about your haboob.
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Well, we re sitting on a tour bus.
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All of a sudden the sky goes orange.
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Orange, I m truly orange.
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I m like looking at him like what and the drivers shuts all the vents all because you know buses have all types of like ways air can get in and We went outside Wind whipping everywhere and you can t see anything.
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It s like oh, I mean have you guys ever experienced this?
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You know what I m talking about Are you from Arizona or something like this?
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You have family out there.
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Haboob.
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See?
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Haboob connect.
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Anyway, it was crazy.
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And then like 30 minutes later or whatever, it s over.
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Weird.
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Weather s weird.
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The weather.
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Mother nature.
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Oh God, oh my God, the weather.
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Imagine being an ancient human.
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Yeah, and having to experience all that for the first time.
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And no one- No explanation.
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How terrifying.
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Can you just think about this,
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Well, this, I don t know why I wanted to go here with it, but we re talking about being half deaf.
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Here s another thing I think that doesn t get discussed enough, which is menstruation.
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I mean, most people are in heterosexual relationships, right?
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Most men, just statistically, and then half the world s women.
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So that s what like 90% of the world is dealing with menstruation.
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That s a lot.
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But you know the theory that misogyny originates from the ultimate magic that a woman bleeds and does not die.
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So I m talking about go back to the ancient, ancient times.
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Imagine you re like 500 BC and your girlfriend, I don t know if they had girlfriends back then, some person who s around you is bleeding.
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And alive.
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Not only alive, but just thriving, vibing, and then stops.
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And continues to live and thrive.
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And then it keeps happening.
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And if a man did that, bled in the same way, they d be dead.
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Yes.
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It s interesting.
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So that s kind of a theory.
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That s something people say.
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I like that.
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I love it.
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I like that.
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Me too.
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We re all looking for a why.
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That s a good why.
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That s a great why.
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Tell that to the doppelganger producers.
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Yeah.
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That s some good stuff.
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Does that give you a reason?
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Yeah, I think so.
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What else are you thinking?
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I m thinking a lot.
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This is very fascinating.
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Overwhelming for you, right?
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Yeah, what are you thinking?
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About Haboobz?
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Yeah, I m still thinking about Haboobz.
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He always has Haboobz on the line.
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You too?
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By the way, Mono is Kay Flay s album, it s waiting for you.
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Is that Mono based on the disease or based on the fact that you now listen in Mono?
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It is based on the fact that I now listen in Mono.
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My world is Mono.
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I do not get a stereo signal.
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Oh, here s another thing.
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I can t locate sound anymore.
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What does that mean?
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So if you have a phone, you re like, oh, can t find my phone, can you call it for me?
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Correct.
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And I can t... Like, I can tell sound is coming from your mouth because I m looking at you.
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Yeah.
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But if I close my eyes and you talk, well, see, I know where you are, but I wouldn t know.
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I straight up don t know.
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And the first time I realized it, I was on a walk with some friends right after it happened.
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And I was like, oh, there s a car behind us.
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We look, turn around, there s nothing behind us.
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Somebody s air conditioner, like up ahead had turned on.
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So it s like me using context, talk about context clues.
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It s like you reading and me hearing.
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It s really scary.
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It could be unsafe, honestly.
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I know.
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It s scary.
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Yeah.
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Crossing the street.
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Yeah, I mean driving.
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Being out and about is like, you have to really double check things.
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Are you comfortable with it now?
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Pretty comfortable.
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I m very adjusted.
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And I went right back into like full-on life pretty quickly, which is good in that
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you know, good for the brain adapting, but yeah, it never repairs.
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It s like depth perception, you need two eyes for that.
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For echolocation, you need two ears.
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So that s been weird.
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Also, mono, I have a mono tattoo that my friend and I have a matching mono tattoo, but mono, of course in Spanish, mono means monkey.
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So when I did all my when I did all my interviews For Mexico when the record was coming out like the first thing I talked about with everyone I was like, I do understand that the album is called monkey.
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I do I did not think about that Do you I think that s kind of cute do you hear music differently like when you were making this album?
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I m sure you know, you don t hear it the same way.
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You heard your your previous albums.
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I I don t hear it the same I hear it
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I hear it more focused, so mono, another way to think about it, it s just less information.
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So stereo means you can experience panning, you can experience reverberation in different ways.
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Mono is just less input.
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So it s actually a strategy a lot of mix engineers will begin their mixes in mono.
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Because it helps you focus on what matters in a song.
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Because there s just not like... I mean, stereo, at least as it pertains to music, is also connected to this notion of width.
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You know, there s a sound that is really wide, right?
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It goes all the way from left, all the way to your right.
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When you re mono, it s just all down the middle.
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And so for me, I think it s helped me to focus on what matters in the song a little bit more.
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And again, I think opened me up to be just very creative.
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less critical, not holding myself to a lower standard, but just less immediately critical of an idea or a sound.
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So I think that s the big way that it s that has changed the process for me.
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Listening to music is kind of tiring.
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So I listen to less music now.
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That s interesting because you do have to work so much harder.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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When you re hearing it through, also your ear is taking in a lot.
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That one ear is taking in a lot.
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I think about this ear and I m just like, doing so much.
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She s paying around.
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Oh my God.
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Her checks are paid.
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Working overtime.
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This ear is truly, truly doing God s work.
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So yeah, it s different.
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The one place where I really don t
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I don t even remember about my deafness or anything is on stage though.
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Well, I was going to ask, isn t it difficult because you are kind of your equilibrium is off.
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Right.
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You know, I went so hard with my training.
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I have like better balance than I ever did now.
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which is crazy, which is kind of sick.
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And actually something interesting, my physical therapist told me, he s like, because you have this, because you re more at risk to become dizzy and unbalanced, and because I have kind of sporadic vertigo, just like little bits here and there, he s like, you re probably gonna have to be a very like in shape old person.
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And he s like, you ll probably like, you know, not fall.
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Because when you get older, falling is crazy So probably I won t fall I can t hear, I m better balanced and when I get older, won t fall Probably won t I just listened to a book called Outlive, anybody know this book?
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No, but is it about someone who s going crazy about their health and wanting to age backwards?
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Um, no, it s about, it s about... Complex news, you know what I mean?
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No, no, no, but I think you re kind of like, not wrong in a way, but it s about this dude talking about this notion of health span versus lifespan.
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So we have this idea like, okay, you live to be like this old, but like, what s your quality of life like?
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Yeah, maybe you re 92 or whatever.
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Can you move?
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Are you experiencing cognitive decline?
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Like, that s not a high quality of life.
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So his whole thing is like, how do you basically, like, I m summing the book up, but like, how do you basically live, live, live and then die?
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Instead of how do you live, live, get sick, decline, oh gosh, it s worse, it s horrible, die.
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And I m definitely trying to go,
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You want to live, die.
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Okay, got it.
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Don t you?
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Yeah, I mean my grandfather, he was like 95, passed away a couple years ago, but he once told me the worst part about it was all of his friends are dead.
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So he s the only one alive and he s just like, what am I supposed to do?
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I can t walk and all my friends are dead.
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I was like, oh yeah, that s a terrible way to die.
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Yeah.
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That s really sad.
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Yeah.
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So I know what you mean.
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Yeah.
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So it s kind of like you just want to live and then just pass away.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, why am I talking about dying again?
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Well, I guess maybe because, oh right, I m not gonna fall.
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He talks about, he talks about, like falling is one of these ways your decline starts.
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It s like the catalyst for the decline.
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That s terrifying.
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God, it s like sometimes I m like, I m a music, I m here ostensibly to promote my music, right?
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Like why am I here talking about like that, about falling as an elderly person?
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I love it.
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You re an amazing personality and a great guest, I gotta say.
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Okay, thanks.
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Thanks for having me.
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You really are good.
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And we ve covered, we ve run the game on almost everything here.
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I ve loved this chat, but going back to actually the topic at hand, I, um, okay, so my balance is good and during, my balance is fucking amazing.
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During the show, I forget about the ear.
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It s maybe one of the only times when I really forget about it.
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That s amazing.
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Cause I m just so, as a musician, there s no time, there s no time that is present like the show.
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Actually, my girlfriend said this amazing thing that her, a music teacher of hers had said to her when she was younger, like asking a question to the kids, what s rock and roll?
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Rock and roll is right now.
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Fuck yeah.
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Sure.
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It s just right now.
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So like, however you are at the show, that s it.
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You know, it s easy to get caught up.
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You know, I ve been on stage quite a bit.
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I m always nervous.
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Always nervous.
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Basically never not been nervous for a show.
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I mean, because it matters to you.
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Totally.
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People are nervous for things they care about.
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Right, nervous, excited.
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And sometimes I can, you know, start to psych myself out.
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And when she shared that with me, I was like, man, I love that.
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It s right now, you know, my ears ringing.
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This is that I m what I m nervous.
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This just happened.
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I had a weird dinner.
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My stomach feels bubbly, you know, that s rock and roll.
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Sure.
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What was the experience filming the raw raw video saying your bloody ear on the ground?
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Oh, that s kind of rock and roll, right?
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It was.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the whole thing s kind of punk rock in the sense of like,
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If my friend said this to me recently, we ve decided that punk rock is anti-annihilation.
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You know, anything that preserves us is punk rock.
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Okay.
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You feel me?
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I get it.
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Cause I think there s a notion that like to be, for somebody to be like punk, it s like destructive.
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Totally.
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And I actually would argue that the most punk thing you can do is survive and thrive.
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True.
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Right?
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Like that is kind of punk rock.
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So it felt great seeing that ear on the ground because again, a reminder that I m still here.
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And I m still doing it.
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I m still actually finding quite a bit of joy and delight and not taking myself too seriously.
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Because that s a horrible thing.
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You never want to... I don t know if you guys ever get people in here who are just... You don t have to name any names.
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I just mean like... Take themselves too seriously?
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Yes.
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Oh.
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Do you know this show?
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I mean, but you know what I m saying?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That s... It s a combination, right?
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You can t take yourself too seriously, but you should take yourself seriously enough to know that what you do matters.
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Absolutely.
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You can be serious about what you do, but not take anything too seriously.
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In the sense that, like, you know, when you zoom out, it s like the marbles at the end of the Men in Black movie.
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You know, the aliens.
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Yeah, I get it.
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Interesting.
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That was a very disturbing scene to watch when I was a kid.
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Makes you think about things differently.
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That was a very disturbing ending to that movie.
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I would actually rank that as like a formative disturbance.
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Oh, that s a good question.
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What do you think is a formative disturbance?
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I mean, where do we begin?
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9-11?
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What?
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Okay.
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I mean, it s really dark, but yeah.
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Yeah, but I m saying a formative disturbance.
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I mean, totally too.
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I think a lot of people.
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Yep.
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Literally.
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I mean, by the way, it doesn t matter who you are, no matter your generation.
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That was a huge disturbance to the way people lived.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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It s interesting.
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It s interesting conversation.
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What s your formative disturbance?
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It s a huge couple of words put together here.
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I m just trying to process the whole question right now.
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I mean, I can go, like, you know, my parents  divorce.
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I mean, it s personal.
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And then there s formative disturbances that generationally people share.
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I think formative disturbances that, like,
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Span generations that people share Cult there s also and I think I m getting into the the cultural product Disturbance, but like there are films we see.
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Oh, yeah things that that like disturb our minds
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Yeah, that hang with us.
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That they never leave.
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I remember watching like, what are they called?
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Final Destination movies?
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Oh, yeah.
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That s formative disturbance.
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Yeah, weird shit.
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Very, very scary.
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You know, I mean, of course, yes, formative disturbances can be like, you know, death and these types of things.
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I m thinking kind of like, these like books or these movies, these things that kind of worm into your head.
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And they oddly never leave.
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Like, I still think about that Men in Black ending, which I think is meant to actually be a ha-ha moment.
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But it isn t.
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It was not.
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No, it makes you think.
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It was a wah-wah moment.
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Yeah, the aliens are playing us, man.
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It s pawns in the game.
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Formative Disturbance.
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Should I call my next record that?
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It s very nice.
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Hey!
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It is.
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Formative Disturbance.
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This is a good little inspiration session for you.
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I couldn t agree more.
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Yeah, welcome.
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You can listen to Mono, though, and all the rest of Kay Flay s music on Amazon Music.
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There s a link definitely on the screen, in the chat.
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Somewhere.
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Find it, check it out.
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What are you thinking?
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I just wish I had a better answer for the question, so I m kind of disappointed with myself here.
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That s okay.
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It s one of those things that as soon as you walk out, it s going to come to me.
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Do you remember something that scared you as a child?
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Um... What were you afraid of?
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Yeah, my house was struck by lightning once.
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Whoa.
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That s a formative disturbance.
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It was crazy.
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It was this huge pop and the whole house went dark.
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I ll always remember that and I was sitting in the back of a... I was sitting in the back of the car outside holding the cat while my parents ran around the house looking for the other cat.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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Was it just you in the car?
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It was me in the car.
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I don t know where my brothers were.
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They were running around somewhere.
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Wow.
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But when you said that, that s what I thought of.
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That s a great story.
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And since then, Dan s been afraid of things like lightning, fire, a bunch of things.
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Oh, I hate fire.
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I hate ovens.
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Ovens are terrible.
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How do you cook?
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He doesn t.
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Every other way.
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I don t cook.
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Yeah, if you were to cook.
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I ll use the stove.
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Yeah.
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I ll use a microwave.
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Definitely won t turn on an oven.
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That s like a hot box in the house.
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Definitely won t turn on the oven.
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I see what you re saying.
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You know, I was in a house fire.
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Oh, really?
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That s my biggest fear.
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Hate to tell you, yeah.
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I hate to- Both of your worst fears- Oh my god, I m incarnate of your worst fears.
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Going deaf and being in a house fire.
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You were- like your house burned down while you were in it?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It didn t completely burn down, but- But it was- there s flames indoors.
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Yeah.
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They don t belong there.
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Yeah, and then it was destroyed.
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Yeah.
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That happened pretty recently.
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2019.
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How did the fire get caused?
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A lithium-ion battery exploded.
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What?
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What, a vape battery?
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No!
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Oh my God.
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Also, I would like to, I don t even know what time we re at or if we need to stop talking, but maybe you guys have a little insight into this.
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I want to talk about vape shame.
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What, shaming people who vape?
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Or we want to shame people who vape?
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No, no, no, no.
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Not like act of shaming.
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The feeling of shame that vapers have.
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Oh, interesting.
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Are you a vaper?
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I m not a vaper.
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Oh, you re empathetic to them though.
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Well, I ve had several conversations with vapers recently who have been incredibly ashamed and apologetic about this vaping.
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And I m curious if that s new.
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Has it always been that way?
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I don t know.
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I don t really have a lot of vapors in my life.
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There s like two different types of vaping.
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There s like the THC vape and then those who vape for the clouds, you know, and they do the nicotine vape.
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Right, I m talking about the latter.
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Yeah, the nicotine vapes are a little intense, man.
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Like they re like a lot and they smell like, you know, you have cotton candy coming out your pie hole.
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It s just too much.
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But I, you know, I understand why they re addicted.
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I get it too.
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My roommate is 72 hours into quitting her vape.
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Yes, she is.
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And the withdrawals are crazy.
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She s up at night sweating.
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Wow.
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She can t sleep.
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Really?
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Her lungs feel like they re heavy and like collapsing in on her, but it s all part of it because they re just craving it.
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But yes, she s 72 hours in.
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Wow.
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It s interesting to watch.
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I ve never done that.
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I ve never smoked nicotine vapes.
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THC all day.
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Nicotine, no.
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I ve never had a nicotine vape or a THC vape, I guess.
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I mean, you would know.
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You re literally sucking on a lawnmower.
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Yeah, no, no, no.
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You re sucking on a vacuum.
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Yeah, no, I didn t do that.
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Oh, the house fire.
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You know how when you check into a flight and they re like, do you have any lithium-ion batteries in your bag?
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The reason they ask you that is because these motherfuckers just do explode.
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So I didn t have a vape in the house.
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I was at my folks place for like literally for a day and a half to help them with something.
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One of the things that I helped them with, they live in Northern California, there s lots of brownouts and electricity things, right?
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So they had gotten a, like a large backup battery, like a, like a big like, I have a Jackery one, but like, another brand similar, that will power all the all the shit in your house for
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You know, two days or a day and a half or something.
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And my mom was like, can you charge it for us?
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Can you plug it into the wall?
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Let s charge it while you re here so that we have a charged thing.
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Charge it.
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4.30 in the morning.
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I straight up think a car has driven into the edifice.
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I m like, what?
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Wake up and run into the living room.
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Shit s on fire.
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I mean, it was so shocking.
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So it lit the couch on fire.
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I also found out from the fire department afterwards, because that s what started it, the battery exploded and then it lit the couch on fire and then the couch acted like gasoline.
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So here s the deal, all new furniture- Is covered in something, right?
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It s made out of basically chemicals that the fire department were like,
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It is like more flammable than gasoline.
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I don t know if that s possible, but you know what I mean?
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Like it s like, it s on that level.
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Whereas olden furniture that s like wooden, takes much longer to burn.
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It s way safer to have older furniture.
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So I guess buying vintage after all.
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We ll save your life.
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We ll save your life.
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But yeah, so then it lit the everything on fire.
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And then within, you know, seconds, the whole place is black smoke, because the smoke is what will kill you.
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You know, most, most people who die in a house fire die from smoking elation.
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So you got to get out.
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We did.
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I woke my parents up we ran my poor parents like they were just really asleep.
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It was 430 in the morning.
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Oh my god, we were all asleep.
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And you woke up from what, sound?
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The explosion, the sound of the explosion.
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Back when I had two ears, thank God.
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Wow, have you had one?
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Yeah, I know, literally.
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Oh, different story.
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Because now, you know how I sleep now?
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I sleep on my good ear.
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I call it going to my safe place.
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I sleep on my good ear.
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I kind of can t hear shit.
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Because then the only ear facing up is the deaf one.
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That s terrifying.
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I know.
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So it s really good it happened when it did.
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Okay, God s not full.
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Yeah.
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You re really positive.
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Which is crazy because your music is very dark.
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I know.
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But that s how.
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That s how.
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They balance each other?
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Just get it out.
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You know?
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Everybody has the darkness in them.
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I think it s like when you don t have an outlet for it, that s when it builds up, builds up, builds up, you know?
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So it s good to have an outlet for it.
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But yeah, people are often very shocked, especially when I was first starting out, when I was quite like buoyant and you know.
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Chipper.
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Chipper.
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And my hair used to be black.
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This is my natural color, but you know.
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What, like blood on the cut days?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It was black.
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I dyed my hair black for like 10 years.
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Wow.
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A lot of work.
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A lot of people.
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Kind of easy.
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Really?
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Just box dye from like Walgreens.
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CVS.
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It looks good.
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Thanks.
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Yeah.
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Go natural.
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It s easier.
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It s way less expensive.
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Even though it wasn t expensive to dye my hair from a box, but.
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Looks good.
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Be you.
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Anyway, it ll be okay if you re in a house fire, but I do, I will say, check your smoke detectors.
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Make sure, cause that s what, that was what ultimately.
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Saved you guys?
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Yeah.
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Like the smoke detectors, they go crazy.
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And then their place, they have like a one story place, like a condo.
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The sprinkler, their sprinklers.
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So then the sprinklers did ultimately get set off.
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But then the thing is the sprinklers destroy the house.
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So it s either the fire or the water damage that s going to destroy it all.
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Correct.
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But we live to tell the tale.
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Yeah, we are.
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Not dead yet.
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That s right.
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Not dead yet.
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Listen to Mono and all of Kay Flea s music on Amazon Music.
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Please.
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Please.
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Give it your time.
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Please.
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Give it your ears.
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Yeah, both.
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Or one.
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Whatever you got.
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It sounds good in mono.
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You good?
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Yeah, I think so.
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Life as a dog, almost 10 years of that.
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How does that feel?
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Oh my god.
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Crazy.
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Well, it s very weird to have a career.
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It s unbelievable in a great way.
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So I feel very excited.
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We ve pressed up, I mean, I guess this, I don t, I guess I haven t talked about this, but no matter.
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We ve got some special vinyl announcements around the 10th anniversary.
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Life is a Dog.
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is kind of a rare, this is my first record that I put out independently.
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Just, I just gotten dropped by RCA.
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I was like, I don t know what s happening, you know, and kind of got my shit together, put this out, and then it sort of established, established me and set me on the path.
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But that vinyl is quite rare.
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We ve already done one repressing like a couple years ago, but it s a fairly rare vinyl.
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So we re doing some things in the vinyl space to celebrate.
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And I m just thrilled.
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I m thrilled that I continue to be able to make music and be creative and still love it.
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You know, because that s the thing.
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You don t ever want to be that dude who s like,
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This fucking child, this fucking, this kid, this young shit, I hate new, don t do that.
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Don t be that person.
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Jaded, angry.
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Don t be jaded and angry.
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right it s it s it s very corrosive it s certainly demoralizing it kind of it kind of makes everyone around you including yourself feel bad you know I anyway I m with you I m very I m very excited mm-hmm
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Thank you for mentioning that.
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And that record was a real labor of love.
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And that was like me and my manager, Seth, who I ve been with since day one.
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And so there s just a lot of great memories for me personally in putting that out.
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And I was also such a dumb ass at the time.
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You know what I mean?
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I also did not know what I was doing.
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And there s something nice about it.
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Remembering that.
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Totally.
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And now, uh, let me come back in a physical form.
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Prepare yourself.
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Oh yeah.
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Follow Kay Flay s page on Amazon Music.
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Maybe we ll sell the vinyl on Amazon Music.
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I don t know.
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Whoa.
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That d be nice.
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They sell them on Amazon, you know.
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I mean, let s, let s get into it.
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Never.
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Say never.
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For some reason, when I said that, the image of hopscotch, a hopscotch on the, whoa, on the, on the chide walk, I was about to say.
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On the sidewalk?
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A hopscotch on the sidewalk came into my head.
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All this inspiration.
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You re welcome.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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Go about your day.
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Have a great one.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thank you guys for having me.
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You re really incredible.
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Yeah.
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Oliver Music waiting for you on Amazon Music.
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I really appreciate you.
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Thanks for being here.
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I appreciate you guys.
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Thank you.
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This was a lot of fun.
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It was awesome.
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It was a lot of fun.
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Big thanks to you for spending your night with us.
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I really appreciate you as well.
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Good night, Moon, and good night to you.
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Be safe with your family.
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Don t go to jail.
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Get good sleep, and we ll hang tomorrow, right?
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Yes, sir.
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Yeah.
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And protect your ears.
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Yes, please.
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Protect your ears.
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Ear safety matters.
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It does.
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We ll talk to you tomorrow.
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Peace and love.
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Bye.