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That s right.
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So like the first time I booked a proper tour, I was like, let s do it for just two months.
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That doesn t seem long, 60 days.
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But I go, but I don t want any nights off.
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So it was 60 days, 60 shows, but then it started selling well.
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And so we did two shows every night.
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So 120 shows in 60 days.
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It was crazy.
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Toss show for show.
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Toss show.
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Eddie?
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Yo.
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Hit him with a hooty-hoo.
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Hooty-hoo.
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Hooty-hoo.
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Hooty-hoo.
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Hooty-hoo.
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Hooty-hoo.
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I m fired up today.
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Why are you fired up?
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The fans of this show that want it both ways are driving me insane.
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When people get upset,
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about the money I spend on something.
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A few weeks ago, I mentioned how much it cost to line my drawers throughout my house.
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I know it s absurd, okay?
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But I think it s interesting to share with you
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the real numbers.
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So if I m going to share with you the real numbers things cost and what I get paid for things, because I think that s very interesting and I think you would like that information, then I need you not to be like, I can t fucking believe somebody would spend this much.
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It s what it is.
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It s not your world.
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It s relative.
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but you don t get it both ways.
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Either I m not gonna tell you the numbers or I m gonna tell you and you ll just be like me, holy shit, that s crazy.
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Right.
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I think that s fair.
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You re gonna ruin it for everybody.
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You re gonna ruin it for everybody.
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Just enjoy that it s a world you ll probably never be a part of.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Let s be clear.
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I know where I came from.
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I moved 14 times before I was 12 years old.
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Then when I was 12 years old, I moved to Florida, Titusville, Florida.
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Our home cost around $75,000, three bedroom, two bath.
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uh, four kids, two parents, great home.
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They owned it for 30 years ish.
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And then they sold it for 92,000 or something like that.
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They killed it.
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Oh my goodness.
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What a, what a, what a huge return on investment.
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That s what you get in Florida.
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So,
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I grew up in that world.
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I appreciate everything that I ve received, but easy.
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By the way, I got so angry.
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Eddie, you re going to like this.
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We re going to talk comedy now, like every other comics podcast.
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I brought
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my calendars from back in the day.
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Oh, that s great.
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Oh, man, I found them.
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So we re gonna go through my calendars.
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This is so you can see what I was making and where I was.
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This is back in 1998, all right?
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I was at Looney s in Colorado Springs from the 23rd through the 27th.
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What d you make?
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For five nights, two shows a night, I made a total of $400.
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Wow.
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And then on the 30th, which was Yom Kippur, I have a note to call Bobby Jewell.
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That s the owner of Sidesplitters in Tampa, Florida.
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He was a comic slash comedy club owner.
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Then in October, the 7th through the 11th, then I was at Zaney s in Nashville, Tennessee.
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All right, what d you make there?
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I made $500.
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for a week of work.
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The following week I got to, I was in Tennessee, I was staying in Tennessee, so I m in Tennessee for two weeks, then I was at Comedy Catch in Chattanooga.
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Guess how much I made for that week? $450.
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Not friends with that person.
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Don t remember who it was, but I remember that at the end of the week, he gave me a stern talking to and told me that I need to stop making jokes about some of the other people that work there.
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I forgot who it was.
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Who s the funniest man in America?
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What was his name?
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Dick Gregory.
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James Gregory.
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I remember making fun of him on stage and the club owner pulled me aside and said, don t you ever make fun of him.
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November 1998.
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Oh, I was doing a run, a run of creative gigs.
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Okay.
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So now creative gigs, they were the comedy zones.
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They were in the Southeast.
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You would do one, uh, a night in a different venue.
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One night you wouldn t get paid.
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And they re like, just don t worry about it.
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And the next night you would do a show at a different club, you know, a hundred miles away.
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And they re like, this club would overpay you $350.
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And like that, that ll make up for the night before.
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So they would just like rob one place and the other place, you re like, just don t worry about it.
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But I was making 150 a night.
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I was in Hickory, North Carolina.
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Then I have a note here.
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Well, I say it like Hickory, but like our, the comedian, John Reap, our friend, John Reap.
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I have a note here.
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They did not pay me.
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The check bounced.
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Then I was in Columbus, Mississippi.
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I went to Miami for the 15th and 16th of November 1998.
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Then I was in Chapel Hill, North Carolina on the 18th.
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Harrisburg on the 19th.
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Charleston, West Virginia on the 20th and 21st for a grand total of
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$350.
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Here s a big one.
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December 1998, I was at Uncle Funny s in Davie, Florida.
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I was the emcee.
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The middle act was Greg Haun.
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The headliner, Doug Stanhope.
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Oh, wow.
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Uh-huh.
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Fun week.
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What d you make? $400.
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$400.
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Man, I was living it up.
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Oh, I also made an appearance.
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December 7th, I popped into comedy traffic school and did a surprise set.
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You know what that is, guys?
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When you d get a ticket, you could go to traffic school, but in Florida, they would have comedy traffic school, which was taught by comedians that had failed.
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But some of them were my friends, so they d be like, hey, come by.
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I have to teach for four hours, and you can just do a set in front of these people.
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It was just miserable.
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Then I was off to Macon, Georgia, heading to the Comedy House Theater.
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The 15th through the 20th, got to stay in the Shoney s Inn.
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So I had a free hotel room and made, for six nights, a total of $450.
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That s good.
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New Year s Eve, 1998.
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Bonkers.
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Huh?
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That s a good gig.
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Joe Sanfilippo, owner of that club, it was in 3D s, which was Dennis Scott s restaurant.
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He was with the Orlando Magic at the time.
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Okay.
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Oh man, guess what they paid me?
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No clue.
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They didn t.
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Oh.
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They didn t.
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Didn t make it.
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Didn t pay me.
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Oh, this one s sad.
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Okay.
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January 1999.
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From the 5th through the 10th, I was in side splitters in Tampa, Florida with Jon Panette.
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Oh.
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RIP.
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What d you make?
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500 total.
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But he probably gave me a few extra bucks.
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Oh.
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The 27th.
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of January 1999 was the first time I performed in Los Angeles.
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I flew out to do a show at the Melrose Improv.
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Nice.
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Uh-huh.
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No money.
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So, like, get off me when I fucking tell you what stuff cost.
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Check this out.
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April 1999, got to do a show on the 15th for E!, my first, like, television show.
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Oh, nice.
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I was doing some Wild On thing.
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I don t know what it was.
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You have the money in there for that?
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A couple hundred bucks.
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No, it says $700.
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$700 they paid me.
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That s pretty good.
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April 1999, the 24th, I opened for the Beach Boys.
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What do you think the Beach Boys paid me in 1999 to open for them?
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$1,500.
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$250.
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Beach Boys.
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Yeah.
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Oh, this is a big date.
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June 1st, 1999.
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Guess what I did?
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June 1st, 1999, a college gig.
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Nope.
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Moved to Los Angeles.
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What?
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Yep.
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And got to do a show that night, hosted an open mic night, got paid.
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Ready for it?
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Yeah.
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75 bucks.
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First night in LA, I made 75 bucks.
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I feel like this is easy.
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Not bad.
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That s not bad at all.
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Nope.
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Same month.
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back to Florida on the 25th and 26th of June, 1999, got to open in Melbourne for Larry the Cable Guy.
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Okay.
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Yep.
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200 bucks.
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God, what s happening?
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200 bucks.
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August 1999, August 4th through the 8th, Tulsa, Oklahoma, opened for Todd Glass.
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Okay.
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Yep.
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550.
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600 bucks.
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Oh, so close.
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Yeah.
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Todd made sure I got paid.
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I m not gonna stop.
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I m gonna go through this.
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This is good stuff.
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What s the Imperial Palace?
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Oh, that s a casino in Vegas.
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Well, there s probably a couple of them, but it was a- This one I think is in Biloxi, Mississippi.
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Yeah, that s that track.
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I made for eight shows, it appears eight shows, 700 bucks.
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That s not bad.
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If I m in a casino, because you know I won on the tables.
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Also, on the 21st of that month, I had my cable installed between 10 and 2.
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Ugh.
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That s big.
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Want to know what I paid for that?
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No, I don t know.
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That s not written on here.
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October 1999, October 5th, I shot Comedy Central s Premium Blend.
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Whoa.
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That was the beginning of the relationship that blossomed into one of the greatest TV shows the network had ever put on the air, South Park.
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Hey, I opened for Todd Glass on the 20th of October 1999.
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Guess what I got paid?
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$50.
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How about, okay, here s a big gig.
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1999, November 12th, I was at FSU.
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They were gonna pay me $5,500.
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I said they were going to.
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They canceled me before I flew out.
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Would have been my biggest show to date, canceled.
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I mean, that s a big one.
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Yeah, it stung.
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God, it stung.
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Oh, here, New Year s, December 1999,
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I m opening for Louis Black back at Uncle Funny s, did five shows, got $1,000.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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Cha-ching.
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I m not done, guys.
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I m not done.
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Year 2000, January the 25th through the 30th, I m opening for Dave Chappelle.
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With Cap City?
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I m in Cap City in Austin, Texas.
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Oh, I remember that show.
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Yep.
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Guess what I got paid for that week? $550.
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800 bucks.
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Okay.
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Because I got to headline the first two nights because Dave doesn t, would never do a full week.
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Oh, I did a college in Georgia, Columbus state.
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Got $1,310.
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$310.
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Who negotiated?
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That s stupid.
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That s so dumb.
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I can t stop doing this guys.
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I m going to go the whole way through.
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Oh, here we go.
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Sacramento punchline, February, 2000.
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the 23rd through the 27th, I m opening for Dave Attell.
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That was a big deal for me.
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I was excited.
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650.
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How much did I get paid for that?
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No, $500 plus accommodations.
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But that was where my, you know, my love of Tahoe started because I would drive over to Sierra Tahoe every day.
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I would snowboard and then drive back and do the shows at night.
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All for a week.
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at the Best Western, at the Punchline there.
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I had a free hotel room and I got $500.
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So don t, and that s only 24 years ago.
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Right.
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You guys get up my ass because I paid too much for an Airstream renovation.
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April 4th, 2000, I have a pitch at MTV.
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A little did I know then that they were going to say no to me for the next decade.
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Oh, this is exciting.
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May 2000, where am I?
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New Zealand.
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SPEAKER_05
Wow.
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For two weeks, I get paid $4,400.
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Guess what?
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They decided to only pay me $2,200 after I did the shows.
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Yeah, he still owes me.
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I m sure he ll make right.
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Oh!
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One of my favorite places to perform.
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Performed there with Eddie.
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Opened for Eddie there.
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This wasn t the week that I opened for you, but it was May 24th through the 28th in Appleton, Wisconsin.
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Working for Cliffy.
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Working for Cliff and Pat.
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Don t short Pat.
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I won t.
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Pat was working there at that time.
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They had a pitch on the 21st in June with MTV again with Rod Asa.
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Again, passed on me.
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Always passed on me.
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Eh, probably made the right choice.
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I can t stop this, man.
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Oh, August 2000, from the 8th to the 13th, I was at Catch a Rising Star in Reno, Nevada.
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There you go.
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My first time in Reno back then.
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Oh, man.
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What d you make?
1
$850.
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They treated me right.
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Yeah.
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And I guarantee I won on the blackjack table.
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My first weekend in Las Vegas was October 2000, the 16th through the 22nd.
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That is a long, that is seven days, that is seven days, 14 shows.
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Guess what I got paid?
1
$850.
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$1,200 plus room.
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The Riviera?
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Yep, at the Riviera.
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I refuse to stop doing this.
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SPEAKER_05
They brought it on themselves, Daniel.
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They brought it on themselves.
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They complained.
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You act like, you know, to act like I,
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That was born with a silver spoon in my mouth.
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All right, let s get into this episode.
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I m no longer putting hundreds of thousands of miles on my 1991 Honda Civic Si black hatchback with the moonroof, base cannon for a hundred bucks a night.
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Okay, now I got jets and tour buses full of dogs and kids.
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And today s guest is always there making sure Team Tosh keeps on purring like a kitten.
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Enjoy.
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Oh, acclaimed comics writer and notorious Scott Summers hater, Rosie Knight.
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Well, hello Emmy-winning podcaster and totally unbiased Targaryen royal supporter, Jason Concepcion.
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Rosie, somehow the X-Ray Vision podcast has returned.
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It feels so good.
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It does.
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And like always, we ll be here every week covering the wide world of TV, movies, comics, and geek culture.
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That s right.
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We ll be talking about Batman, heroes of that stature.
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And of course, we ll be inviting our friends in the industry to come geek out with us and share stories.
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We ll hear from TV writers, actors, comics, creators, pop culture, critics, and more.
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Nothing is off the table because geek culture is pop culture, and we can t wait to share our love of it all with you every single week.
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Listen to X-Ray Vision on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Alongside Flippi and Mika, your kids will learn awesome new things about the places and things they see and hear.
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It s a fun, interactive listening experience for the whole family.
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of Lukia in my new podcast, A Really Good Cry.
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We re going to talk about and go through all the things that are sometimes difficult to process alone.
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We re going to go over how to regulate your emotions, diving deep into holistic personal development and just building your mindset to have a happier, healthier life.
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We re going to be talking with some of my best friends.
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I didn t know we were going to go there.
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people that I admire.
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When we say listen to your body, really tune in to what s going on.
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Authors of books that have changed my life.
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Now you re talking about sympathy, which is different than empathy.
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And basically have conversations that can help us get through this crazy thing we call life.
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I already believe in myself.
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I already see myself.
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And so when people give me an opportunity, I m just like,
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Oh great, you see me too!
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We ll laugh together, we ll cry together, and find a way through all of our emotions.
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Never forget, it s okay to cry, as long as you make it a really good one.
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Listen to A Really Good Cry with Radhi Devlukia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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My guest today has spent time on the road with almost every famous comic you can think of.
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He s seen me perform live over 60,000 times and is the only person I enjoy seeing backstage because he has my paycheck.
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Please welcome Live Nation s VP of Comedy Touring, aka my promoter, Andy Levitt.
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Andy, how are you?
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Things are good, doing all right?
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This is a big get for me, having you on the show.
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Andy, do you believe in ghosts?
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I do not.
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Okay.
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But real quick, I m shocked that most comics say that the comedy store is haunted and they ve always had these experiences.
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Nothing s haunted and the comedy store is just dirty.
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That s just the sound of semen sticking to your feet as you walk through.
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Let s start with some simple stuff.
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You grew up in Baltimore.
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I know you re a big sports fan.
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Colts or Ravens?
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Ravens all the way.
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Do you pronounce it Baltimore or Baltimore?
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Baltimore.
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Lobster or crab?
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Crab.
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Is The Wire the greatest television series of all time?
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It s up there.
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Breaking Bad is up there too, I think.
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Okay.
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Are you sick right now?
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I m not.
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I always accuse Andy of being sick.
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I don t, for whatever reason, whenever he s on tour with me, I m like, are you sick?
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And he s like, no, I m not.
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I m just getting over something.
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I m not contagious.
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I m like, God damn it.
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There was one time I was pretty deathly sick on the road.
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Oh yeah.
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But you weren t in my bus.
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No.
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That was a baller move.
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I had two buses, one for the openers, or as I like to refer to them, the riffraff.
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All right, we ll get into that.
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Please describe to our listeners exactly what your job entails.
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Because even I m a little in the dark here.
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The biggest things are just like routing the tours, which I really enjoy.
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So it s kind of putting the puzzle together of how the tours come together, what cities they want to be in, what cities the comic want to be in, and what day and routing it out be.
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Is it 10 shows, 30 shows?
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And then it s negotiating the deals with the artist representatives.
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And then it s making sure the tickets sell.
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So the artist can make as much money as possible.
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We can make as much money as possible.
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And then it s following through with the show all the way to the end, making sure that the show goes smoothly from the moment you or the artist walks into the building until they exit the theater.
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And sometimes you re actually even just with the artist throughout the entire tour.
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Yeah, we, you know, me personally and, you know, Live Nation comedy, we really try to be as hands on as possible and, you know, take care of the artists as much as possible.
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And so for people listening, so you work for Live Nation and you basically only handle comics that can sell.
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What s the smallest venues that you re dealing with?
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We do shows in some clubs that have like 400 seats or so.
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Okay.
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And we also have comedy clubs.
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You know, we have the Punchline in San Francisco.
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Uh-huh.
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And that s owned by Live Nation.
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Correct.
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Uh-huh.
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The Punchline in Philadelphia.
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Mm-hmm.
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The Punchline in Sacramento as well.
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My first experience with the punchline was in San Francisco, where it was such a big deal to get it.
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And I got like, you get like a shit week when you re first getting there.
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It was like a Thanksgiving week.
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And me and Sean Rouse went up there.
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RIP to Sean.
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He s dead.
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He was an amazing comedian.
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And he just like literally blew me off stage every night.
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Like he was so much better than me.
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I hung out with Molly, actually, a few weeks ago.
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She says hello, by the way.
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Molly s a wonderful woman up in San Francisco with tattoos of Dave Matthews and lyrics on her arms.
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That s right.
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Now, this interview you were
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I don t know if you were hesitant.
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I certainly know your boss, Jeff was, because you re privy to such information about artists and there s like making sure that you can t talk about people.
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So at times I ll allude to things and you can just shut me up if I m going down the wrong path.
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But let s, let s start from the beginning.
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How did you get into promoting comedy and booking comedy?
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I went to college at American University in DC.
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Is that a good school?
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I would, I d say so.
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And I was a broadcast journalism major, so I thought I was going to go down that track wanting to be sportscaster.
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But I just started going to tons of concerts at school, like just, you know, music shows, some comedy shows, but more music shows.
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and just started befriending some of the bands that were playing there and they were up and coming bands and then got involved in the college radio station and really just started being involved in the music side of things and then there was a programming board on campus which helped bring bands and comedians to school basically using the school dollars.
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What people don t know about these campus activity boards
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is, is like you said, you re an 18 year old and all of a sudden you re getting to play with budgets that are so much larger than anybody ever really knows.
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Exactly.
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Like what it costs to bring real entertainers to school.
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And then they give you, I mean, what kind of budgets were your schools letting you play with?
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We had a pretty healthy budget.
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I mean, we have half a million, I think in, it might ve been a little less than that, but for the whole course of the year, you had, you had to program something in the fall.
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So you just couldn t blow it on one event.
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No, I know.
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But yeah, overall, it was like budgeting.
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And yeah, we we could get a big show in the fall, a big show in the spring, that sort of thing.
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But, you know, I m in the NACA Hall of Fame.
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I didn t know that, but.
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Well, I am.
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So that s that s these organizations that book entertainers into colleges.
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And I did a ton and ton of colleges.
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I remember once talking to my good friend Nick Swartzen outside of the Melrose Improv.
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This is when we were kids.
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And I was like, I m doing about 100 colleges a year.
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And he s like, oh, I m doing about six.
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And I go, oh, why you gotta do more?
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I go, I go, the money is so good.
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He s like, yeah, I know.
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But like, I don t know.
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And then I was like, well, I m getting like 1500 a show.
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And he s like, oh, I m getting like 12,000.
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And I was like, oh.
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I was like, oh Nick is so much smarter than I am.
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He was doing six shows a year for 12,000 a pop I was doing a hundred for 1,500 anyway, so yeah So I got involved in with DC in DC that way and then you know fulfilled my major and did all my requirements But I really kind of got turned off by the whole journalism side and all that and just wanted to get into the entertainment side
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And when I graduated, I was like, well, this is fun.
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Let s just, I don t want to get a real job.
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And then it kind of morphed into a real job and just kind of, do you feel like you have a real job now?
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I do.
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Yeah.
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I enjoy it, but you don t, you no longer love it.
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No, no, no.
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I still, I still love it.
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I tell my friends like when an athlete like retires, like they know it s time, like it s still fun for me.
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So I know if it s like going, what are you going to go to next?
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I don t know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But I still love it.
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I still love it.
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Stressful days at times, but I still love it.
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You ve got some good comedy friends.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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That were, you know, just, I think people don t realize like how, how many people are involved in making a show happen.
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So like just friends within the office and the venues and marketing, ticketing, production.
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So it s, you know, you become, you become friends with all these people cause you re just around them.
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And some of them, some of them not friends.
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Some of them borderline hostile.
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Things can get crazy sometimes, stressful situations.
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Right, because you re dealing with entertainers that come from all walks of life.
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I walk off stage, you re there.
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I actually refuse now to even take a settlement sheet.
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I m like, just email me.
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The monies get wired.
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But there are still these performers that want a briefcase full of cash.
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There s yeah, I mean, I think it s a little probably not as common anymore, but some people say it still happens, doesn t it?
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Yes, but more on the music side, I d say.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, I think so.
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But there s there s definitely a few comics that are like, no, no, give me, you know, six figure amounts in cash after I get off stage.
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And then they re just that s just crazy to me.
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Yeah.
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And there s been times where you didn t have the cash.
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Or is that not true?
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Not true.
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Okay.
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How many people have mistaken you for the talents accountant?
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It s probably happened a few times.
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So one tour I did, when you get to the level of needing your expertise, it s a big deal in a comics career.
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You go from comedy clubs to theaters.
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And so once I got to that point, I was like, oh, this is gonna disappear any moment.
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Little did I know that I m bulletproof.
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No, but so like the first time I booked a proper tour, I was like, okay, let s do it for just two months.
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That doesn t seem long.
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60 days.
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But I go, but I don t want any nights off.
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So it was 60 days, 60 shows, but then it started selling well and we d, so we did two shows every night.
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So 120 shows in 60 days.
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It was crazy.
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Do you remember Julie that we had out on the road for stores?
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She was trying to fly to every city every day commercially, and it wasn t working.
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So then she s like, I m just gonna rent an RV.
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And she was just driving behind her bus in an RV.
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I guess, should have I invited her on the bus?
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Is that what I should have done?
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Probably, yeah.
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We still talk about it to this day.
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I mean, I didn t know protocol.
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No, it s fine.
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I mean, there s no right answer, but it was a lot of dates.
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Well, I remember she had got one of her friends to like drive the RV and she was trying to sleep, but like an RV is not meant for like sleeping and going 90 miles an hour down the highway.
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And it wasn t her fault, but then I think like the RV that they rented somehow got like infested with bugs or something.
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Like, so it was just, so it just became like a nightmare of a thing.
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That was the same tour that my manager, Christy Smith, ended up breaking rule one on the tour bus.
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Oh, wow, yeah.
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And she blamed it on the lobster, but we all ate the same lobster rolls, and then all of a sudden she was just blowing up the bathroom.
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Flying down the highway.
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Oh, it was disturbing.
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Hey, did I push you in the ocean Halifax?
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No, that was I think and you pushed Andrew I vividly remember like that the those days in Halifax.
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Oh, I remember Halifax, too And I here s what I remember that we that we I remember crapping my pants on a hike that I remember but also I remember
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We asked you to take a photo of us and we called you Shaky Andy.
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You were trembling.
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I was trembling.
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And I was like, and then you later found out.
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Yeah, that was the, shortly thereafter, I found out I had a lot of other symptoms and I found out that I had type 2 diabetic and my blood sugar was just completely out of kilter at the moment.
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So everybody s making fun of me and then I realized that was the condition that was causing that.
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Now I m reversed it in very healthy.
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But what you re telling me is that my mocking saved your life.
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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But that that day was crazy because I remember we went on that hike and I was so out of shape and just everything that I just looked like You would have thought I would it was like a death march or something And I gave I gave Pete a picture that I found from that day.
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Oh, man of me you and Fulcher on Oh Matt Fulcher on good dude good stuff the big college tour that you and I did everyone was worried about you because you were deathly sick the whole time and
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You needed to leave.
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You re like, listen, I m gonna die.
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So you left and then you brought this other guy aboard that dressed like a, how would you describe how he dressed?
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Like a casual safari.
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Yeah, casual safari.
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This guy like.
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He s still doing his thing.
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Is he still with you?
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Yeah.
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His diet is concerning too.
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I m not sure about his diet.
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He only would eat at Raising Cane s.
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Have you ever tried standup?
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I actually have never tried it, but I did write a lot in college, and I never had the balls to give it a shot.
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So you have a journal?
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I wish I still had it.
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I had it at the time.
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If you would give me that journal, I could get at least five new minutes out of it.
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I had five minutes at the time, but I just never went with anything.
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Has Louis C.K.
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ever masturbated in front of you?
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Negative.
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On a tour bus, does Kevin Hart have to sit in a child s seat?
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I don t work on Kevin s tours, so I can t answer that.
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Were you in charge of making sure Demetri Martin had an easel at every show?
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That s on his rider, yes.
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If in fact it s part of the show, then yes, we had to make sure it was there.
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How s my rider?
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You re one of the more simple riders out there, which is great.
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In terms of like hospitality needs, it s actually become like a kind of a joke, but it s funny.
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What s the joke?
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Well, no, it s just like there s not a lot on there.
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It s like for the longest, for all the years we ve been wearing it, it s like bottled water and a candle.
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Scented candle and it s a very very important that the candle is like a good candle right can t be a fucking glade You re like CVS or no.
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No, I want like a locally made nice candle and then I collect I use them in the green room and then when I get When I get home I have a whole stack of candles from from being on tour and I don t have to buy candles because that s annoying and
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Oh, yeah.
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On a previous tour, I remember like all the cities of just trying to make sure everybody had a nice candle.
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We wanted, you know, make sure some places like it was harder to find like a nice candle shop.
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So we would like, you know, we would find a place and then just like buy them out.
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Andrew Wontok back in the day be like get just buy 12 of them, you know Here s another thing that a lot of people don t know about artists is they can put whatever they want in their rider The artists themselves are paying for it.
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Like it s coming out of an expense, correct?
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So it s like, people always say, oh, can you believe they wanted a tiger backstage?
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Or whatever the nonsense is.
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It s like, well, yeah, I don t want to pay for that.
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So yeah, I ll have some water and a candle and some celery.
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Yeah, the veggie tray was kind of an added.
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That got added later.
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And that s not even for me.
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That s because if Todd Glass or somebody is with me, they freak out.
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Which comedian has the worst fan base?
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I can t answer that.
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Drawed Carmichael open for me.
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We were in Hawaii together Yeah, we rented a beautiful house in Hawaii right on the beach for a few day I don t know a week.
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He never once Left his room.
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Yeah, I recall that too is I love Gerard But yeah, that was kind of the strain that was like enjoy Hawaii, you know, hey, we never did enjoy
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No, he didn t we never saw him.
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He never came out of his room with weird you and there was also actually when we did it when we did Maui Mm-hmm.
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He was on stage crushing opening and there was like I ll never forget There was like a fight that broke out in the theater.
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Like somebody almost got thrown off the balcony.
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It was crazy you know, I have had a few fights break out in in the audience during my shows and I have I ve gotten to a point my my career and
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We re like, I don t even care.
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I don t even want to acknowledge it.
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I m like, whatever.
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I ll just keep talking to the people that are in the front.
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Yeah.
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Let s security deal with it.
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Yeah.
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But security s garbage for the most part at these venues.
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I was on stage at one time and somebody stormed me on the stage and no one ever stopped them.
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Yeah, they finally did.
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But luckily I don t think that person was coming to like hurt you in any way.
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No, it s just a crazy person.
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But yeah.
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So will you negotiate with my agent?
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By the way, do you enjoy negotiating with Stacey?
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She can definitely be tough at times and make my life a little crazy, but we get along well.
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So is there actually any hostility toward her ever?
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No, I mean, sometimes it gets- Do you have to tell her, hey, knock it off.
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And let s just talk about me personally, because you re allowed to talk.
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If she s like demanding this and you re like, he s not worth, are you yelling like he s not worth that?
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No, no, I don t think so.
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How do you haggle?
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How do you haggle her down?
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I just, no, it s just trying to state the facts of what I believe and the risk involved and all that stuff.
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Oh, is there a lot of risk with me?
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Yeah.
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putting up the expenses and all that.
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I try to stay in my lane.
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No, totally.
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In venues.
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I m not trying to play things that I can t sell.
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People, I ve said this before, but I try to stay in the 1,500 to maybe at the max 4,500 seats.
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That s my sweet spot because I don t want to do a lot of promotion.
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That s really it.
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What s your favorite cities to work in?
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Well, I guess cities and theaters, I guess.
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But like, I love Chicago.
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Chicago theater is an amazing theater.
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It s too big.
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The ceilings are too high.
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I still like it.
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It is pretty.
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Seattle, the Paramount, I like a lot.
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The Masonic in San Francisco.
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I like the Bay Area.
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The Bay Area is great.
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The Ryman in Nashville is cool, too.
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Oh, I love the Ryman.
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That s a good.
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Yeah.
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That s a great theater.
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I mean, just the intimacy and it feels cool.
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Yeah.
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The Mother Church, they call it.
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I mean, these theaters are, some of them, the older they are, the more beautiful they are, the more despicable backstage is.
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And anyone over six feet tall is gonna have their head just blasted off over and over.
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I never care about these, I don t go to sound check, I just,
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But there are certain theaters that you had or did like Radio City mean anything to you?
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No.
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No.
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So some people have like the bucket list of venues.
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No bucket list.
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Yeah.
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And also like whenever they want to like give me a tour of the theater, like, oh, we need to, we ll bring you back down to the basement.
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What s the Georgia one, the Fox there?
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The Fox, yeah.
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Don t they like, they brag about having like the first air conditioner?
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Correct.
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They had an air conditioner before the White House.
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Right, but it s because it s in Georgia, where it s hot.
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Right.
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What s the worst market in America to sell tickets in?
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That s a tough question.
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I think it depends on who the artist is.
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I m always a proponent, though, of the colder the venue or the colder the market, that s when you should be there when it s freezing.
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People in Duluth, Minnesota only have X amount of sunlight and nice weather.
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So I think something might sell better there in February than it would in August.
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One of the greatest comics, stand-up performer, Brian Regan, is a good friend of yours.
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Yeah, the best.
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You travel with him constantly.
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I used to.
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Used to.
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Used to do like- I still work with him, but I used to be on the road constantly, yeah.
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Every venue for six years, 60 shows plus a year.
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Yeah, definitely more than 60, probably 70, 80.
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That s a lot.
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That s a lot.
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But it was, I mean, it was a great life experience and cool to travel all 50, see all 50 States, Canada.
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And it was really cool to see all the venues.
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Cause if you see the venues, then you kind of know, all right, this comedian might work here.
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This comedian might not work here.
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This venue is good for this reason.
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This venue is not good for this purpose, that sort of thing.
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Did Brian like you as a person or no?
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I think so.
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I think he does.
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You have to have him on next.
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No.
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I don t have comics on.
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You were on the road with Brian Regan and audio issues?
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Well, when you do as many shows as we ve done, every once in a while there s going to be a faux pas or two, but yeah, I was doing a show with Brian in Fargo, North Dakota.
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Which a lot of people think is like a tiny city, but it s not.
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It s the largest city in North Dakota.
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Agreed.
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I think it s completely underrated.
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It s a cool town.
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Yeah, I have no issue with it.
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Yeah, we re doing the show, sold out show, and Dennis Regan, his brother, is opening.
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And Dennis goes on stage to start the show, and he does a few lines, but then all of a sudden the mic cuts out.
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So Dennis just immediately walks off.
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And Dennis got a little bit of an attitude, probably wasn t thrilled about it.
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Not at all.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So Dennis walks right off stage.
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So Brian s like, we need somebody to like go out there and just keep talking to make sure it works.
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You know, we can t have this happen again.
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So kind of like all eyes peer on me.
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So I go out.
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This is your big break.
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I go out there in front of all these people and I just say, all right, we re just going to, I m going to keep talking to make sure we can fix this.
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And I just start saying the alphabet and I get to maybe the letter, like, I don t know, Q or P. And I just, at that point got a little stage fright and freaked out.
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And I just couldn t remember the alphabet at that point.
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And then everybody just starts cracking and then it just becomes like, you know, chaos a little bit.
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And I m getting pretty flustered on stage.
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You just make noise.
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I don t even remember what I did, but it was pretty embarrassing.
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And then I get off and we fixed the issue.
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We get back out there and Brian jokes saying thanks everybody for their patience and then thanked busted me for not knowing the alphabet.
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I mean, it s tough.
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And then Brian got off stage because Brian comes off and does an encore.
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Oh.
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And I said to Brian, I m like, literally the only thing keeping this show going right now is this little fan here.
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So I m like, go out and do your Pop-Tarts pit as quick as possible.
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Let s get the fuck out of here, you know?
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He s got a few bits that is awkward and some are longer than the other.
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Like if he were to do Spelling Bee, he d be there for seven minutes.
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Oh yeah, gotcha.
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So I m just like, we gotta get out of here.
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You produced Bill Cosby s first comeback show after all the rape allegations, true or false?
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No, false.
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Would you have any interest in promoting a tour with Cosby and Hannibal Buress together?
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No, no.
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Calling it like both sides.
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Do you work outside of the US?
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Yes.
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I think that, you know, that s becoming more and more of a business now, you know, with Netflix and streaming platforms and comedy specials in general.
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It s just, yeah, things are becoming just more universal now.
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I know, but so much, you have to travel so much farther.
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But you did, you did some shows abroad.
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We did Australia and stuff.
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Yeah, but that was only so I could watch tennis.
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And there s a lot of people that do that.
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They build a vacation out of it.
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That s the way that that s the way to do it.
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No, I, I, I ll, I refuse to travel anywhere on my own dime.
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Right.
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You take vacations.
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I do.
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I ve been a lot better about it over the past few years.
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You ve taken some crazy trips.
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Yeah.
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Like in December when the business kind of slows down a little bit, I kind of try to get away and do cool, cool shit.
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I guess I did Patagonia one year.
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How d you do in Pat, Patagonia?
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Where are you?
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Did you do some big hikes?
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Yeah, huge hikes.
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Yeah, Torres del Paine National Park.
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First Halifax.
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Reminder that we walked a half a mile and you almost died.
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Yeah, much healthier now.
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Let s talk about COVID.
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There were no live shows.
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Yeah, it was pretty, pretty gnarly.
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Did you, did you go, oh my goodness, my career is over?
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I mean, I think we all knew we were going to come back, but we just didn t know when.
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How much did Live Nation lose in dollars that year?
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No idea.
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No idea.
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Billions?
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I have no idea.
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But like, I mean, I think, I think, uh, the company did an incredible job trying to take care of as many people as they could.
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under the circumstances.
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Did you do like, what are those dumb, like a Zoom standup shows?
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Well, I did one of them actually.
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I booked a Zoom comedy show and I booked Tom Popple on like, and he actually did fairly, he did better than I thought it was going to be.
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But it was weird to just see people in the boxes, just like laughing at this joke that he was doing from like his living room, you know?
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But we, we did do some shows.
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I mean, we, we helped produce all the Chappelle shows and the cornfields that he did in Ohio.
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You and Chappelle,
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Drove not a tour bus right in a minivan.
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It was one of his first shows back And back meaning after he kind of quit kind of the entertainment business after Comedy Central show, etc Yeah, some time went by okay, and then he decided he wanted to play the Fillmore in Detroit very cool theater I said he s gonna do that show and then he was gonna do three in Toronto and
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So I went to the show, everything went great.
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And then I was like, all right, I ll see you tomorrow in Toronto.
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My flight gets in at like 11 a.m.
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or whatever, you know?
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And he s like, whoa, I m driving tonight.
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So I thought, you know, you re coming with me.
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And I m like, uh, this is kind of crazy.
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So at like 1.30 in the morning, two in the morning, we literally get into his minivan and he drives for- Was it nice?
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Was it a nice minivan?
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Yeah, it was all right.
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Yeah.
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Like leather seats, town and country?
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Four and a half, five hour drive to Toronto.
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But about that last hour, it was really rough.
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We were both pretty exhausted.
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So once we got to Toronto, the shows were great shows.
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Kind of the funny story that happened to that.
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In Toronto, you re not allowed to smoke.
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in the venues.
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And Dave smokes on stage, as many people know.
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And the venue was like, you can t smoke on stage.
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The guy, the general manager of the venue, told me that.
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And I kind of was like, well, you have these sold-out shows with Dave Chappelle, so you re just going to have to deal with it.
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And he didn t like that too much and was like, no, I don t think you understand.
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It s like provincial law here.
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The equivalent of the health department could come in, shut the show down, fine you as the promoter,
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So I then realized the gravity of it all.
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And we kind of explained to Dave, you really can t smoke on stage.
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Like, it s pretty serious.
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Then the next morning, I get a phone call that David walked to the mayor s office asking why he couldn t smoke on stage.
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Did he get the mayor?
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He got the mayor and the mayor was like, I m glad you re here.
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but you cannot smoke on stage.
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So he didn t smoke on stage.
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Then the irony goes a few months later, sadly, that mayor was the mayor that smoked some other things.
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Yeah, he s a crackhead.
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And he just didn t pass away, which is sad.
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No, that part is sad.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But the part about the crackhead telling the guy he can t smoke a cigarette.
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Yeah, the irony there is pretty... Would have Dave been allowed to smoke crack on stage?
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Probably no.
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I think everything is off.
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Any version.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I always give my, I guess something, but you don t really, nothing in my house is something I think you would want, but I still have a few things.
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This I want you to have.
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This is unused.
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These are earbuds.
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They re made to Christy Smith.
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They have her name on them.
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The cheap motherfucker at Comedy Central that took over after he fires everybody and gets rid of every show, this was the parting gift he gave to Christy Smith for my show of 13 years.
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And they didn t even give it to her.
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They sent it to me, and I ve never given it to her.
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But anyway.
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So now you have some earbuds.
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Yeah, or maybe I ll go to lunch with Christine.
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No, don t give it to her.
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It s neater that you have Christine.
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And then this is just an old photo of me as a kid with Jay-Z.
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That s hilarious.
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This is hilarious.
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I just thought that d be nice.
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This will go in my office.
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I have an old picture like this of me and Dr. J that I have to show you.
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I m like up to his knee.
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I will happily put that on my desk.
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Get this off my desk.
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I don t want this on my table.
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You toured with Bill Murray.
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Is he the coolest motherfucker alive?
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He is.
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Like, I was a little nervous at first, and then I m like, this guy is literally the greatest personal nerf.
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He is, right?
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It s just everything about it.
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It s like a unicorn.
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Like, it s just, it was awesome.
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What was his show like?
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So the concept was I had heard that he was classical music, right?
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It was a bunch of stuff.
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I had heard that he was doing these shows and that s classical music.
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And he doesn t have an agent or manager, which everybody knows, like a landline that you call, you leave a message.
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And if he s interested, he ll call you back.
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Yes.
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I m like, all right, how am I going to like, who s doing this show that he s doing?
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So I found out it was, he was tied the two classical musicians and the agent was out of Germany.
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So I called Germany.
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Just one number.
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Yeah.
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And just explain my, yeah, exactly.
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And, uh, explain what I do and if there was any more shows available.
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And she was like, oh, the timing s amazing.
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We re having trouble finding venues in two cities.
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And I thought she was gonna say like Topeka.
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And she s like, we can t find venues in San Francisco and Seattle.
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And I m just like, this is like.
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This is so easy.
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This is unbelievable.
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So I booked the shows.
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It was a few classically trained, incredibly talented classical musicians.
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So a combination of like classical music, storytelling, poetry.
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Some singing bill has a great voice.
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So he did some contemporary songs covered like a Van Morrison song John Prine song just insane just unbelievable and like you see like we deal with comedians all the time But then you see like the talent of a classical musician.
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It s just mind-boggling.
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You know, it s different a little bit just a little bit
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So I did one show with him in Seattle.
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I didn t even like, was nervous.
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Like Bill had some friends there.
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I didn t even really talk to him that day.
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But then did one more show in San Francisco and everybody kind of like warmed up to each other.
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And then we just became this like unit and they did about maybe 20 shows and I did about 14 of them, including London and Scotland.
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So yeah, the last time I saw him was in London.
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Great show.
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Then went to the Chiltern Firehouse, which is just this like epic, very famous bar that you kind of need to be asked or invited in.
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And it just had a... Did Bill just get to walk in?
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I mean, we didn t have any trouble getting in.
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I mean, maybe he, maybe he gave a heads up or something, but they gladly let us in.
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But yeah, just a great night there.
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And then kind of, he put me in a taxi back to my hotel, thanked me, and I haven t seen him since.
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Did he pay for the taxi?
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I don t think so.
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I paid for it.
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Do you hate some of these YouTube stars that can sell tickets, or are you getting to that age where you re like, oh shit, these younger performers, I have no interest in listening to them, or are you like, no, it s good too?
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No, I like it too.
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I mean, if they can sell tickets, it s worth looking at.
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I mean, there s a lot of artists that you might not have to...
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Like personally, when I was a kid and you like to see a standup comic in a large venue, there was like two comedian, like Steve Martin and I don t know, somebody else.
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Yeah.
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But now it just seems like there s so many comics that are at the level of performing in larger venues.
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Is that, am I wrong?
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No, totally right.
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Like larger venues and just smaller venues.
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I mean, there s the days of, all right, you got to put in your time at the club and do that as kind of, you know, I think, I think there s a lot of artists where they might,
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become big and then the fans might, they just might want to see them in person.
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It might not even be about the material.
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They just want to have that moment with them.
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What other shows are they doing besides standup?
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What do they do live?
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Sometimes it s a, sometimes it s standup, sometimes it s like sketch or improv or whatever, whatever, you know, or, or podcasts are going live now too.
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I mean, that s, do you promote live pod?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So it s just like, imagine how horrible this would be if there was an audience in front of us.
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Yeah.
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People would be paying to see me or seeing you.
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Who s the next big superstar comedian?
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Tough to say.
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I never can pick it.
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People tell me, who do you think?
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I m like, I don t fucking know.
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Are there any comics now that you like a lot though?
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No.
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I like them all.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I, I can get into, I m, I m, I m a big, there s room for everyone, but no, there s some great ones.
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I know Andrew Scholz s camp are big fans of yours and hit one of his openers who Mark Gagnon, very funny comic.
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He s from the Orlando area.
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So like you re like his,
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Oh, you know, Orlando, Florida.
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Yeah, man, that wasn t that was that was some tough sledding back then.
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It is kind of weird.
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There s tons of comics from Florida, though.
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It s like it s just I don t know.
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It s just like an anomaly of just other like, you know, Larry, the cable guy.
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I mean, Mitch Hedberg really started in West Palm, too.
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Yeah.
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Even though I know he s from Minneapolis, Carrot Top always.
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Oh, Scott.
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God, I love him.
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He makes me laugh so much.
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I think I told you this.
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I saw him once at the Vegas airport, and I m like, oh, that can t be Carrot Top.
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Oh, no.
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He had a hat on that said Carrot Top with a shirt with an arrow pointing, I m Carrot Top.
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I just couldn t believe it.
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I was like, this guy, why is he?
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He could clearly just private or whatever.
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Of course he could.
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He s worth $100 million easy.
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His social media presence is so sexual.
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I find that disturbing.
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He was in one of your videos for a while.
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Your intro videos on stage, yeah.
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Yeah, me and him doing the Selena Gomez music video.
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Yeah, that was pretty sexual.
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Yeah, it was.
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But I was in character.
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I was pretending to be Selena.
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Now, we can t talk about certain things, but there are a few performers that you ve worked with in your life that when they, and knock on wood that it s not anytime soon, but hopefully it s before this podcast stops being a thing, when they pass away, that you ll come back on and we ll have some discussions about them.
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Fair enough.
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Okay.
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That s good to know.
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People at home, they can just guess, like, oh my goodness, who could this possibly be?
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All right.
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Well, Andy, I ll see you back on the road.
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Thank you very much for being on the show.
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Thanks for having me.
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My pleasure.
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Oh, acclaimed comics writer and notorious Scott Summers hater, Rosie Knight.
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Well, hello, Emmy-winning podcaster and totally unbiased Targaryen royal supporter, Jason Concepcion.
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Rosie, somehow the X-Ray Vision podcast has returned.
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It feels so good.
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It does.
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And like always, we ll be here every week covering the wide world of TV, movies, comics, and geek culture.
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That s right.
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We ll be talking about Batman, heroes of that stature, and of course, we ll be inviting our friends in the industry to come geek out with us and share stories.
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We ll hear from TV writers, actors, comics creators, pop culture critics, and more.
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Nothing is off the table because geek culture is pop culture, and we can t wait to share our love of it all with you every single week.
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Listen to X-Ray Vision on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Hey parents, looking for something fun to listen to in the car with your kids?
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Blippi and Mika have a brand new podcast, Blippi and Mika s Road Trip.
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Each week, the Blippi Mobile will take your kids to amazing places.
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They ll explore and listen to the sounds of amazing places, like farms, racetracks, the moon, and even... Construction time!
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That s right, Flippy.
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Follow your ears, what do you hear?
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and they ll meet new friends along the way.
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Alongside Blippi and Mika, your kids will learn awesome new things about the places and things they see and hear.
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It s a fun, interactive listening experience for the whole family.
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Listen to Blippi and Mika s Road Trip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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We re going to talk about and go through all the things that are sometimes difficult to process alone.
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We re going to go over how to regulate your emotions, diving deep into holistic personal development and just building your mindset to have a happier, healthier life.
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We re going to be talking with some of my best friends.
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I didn t know we were going to go there.
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people that I admire.
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When we say listen to your body, really tune into what s going on.
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Authors of books that have changed my life.
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Now you re talking about sympathy, which is different than empathy, right?
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And basically have conversations that can help us get through this crazy thing we call life.
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I already believe in myself.
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I already see myself.
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And so when people give me an opportunity, I m just like,
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Oh great, you see me too.
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We ll laugh together, we ll cry together, and find a way through all of our emotions.
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Never forget, it s okay to cry, as long as you make it a really good one.
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Listen to A Really Good Cry with Radhi Dablukia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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They get things done.
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Carl, do you enjoy Andy Levitt?
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He s a good guy.
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Good man.
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Every time he sees you on the road, what does he do?
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Huh?
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He tousles your hair just a little bit.
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Just like that.
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We like Andy.
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We appreciate what he does to make tour life way more enjoyable.
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Anything I want on the road, he gets it done.
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Hummus, it s in my green room.
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Celery.
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You like carrots?
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Oh, you loved carrots.
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Speaking of food,
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I got a little egg on my face for this story.
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My wife bought a bag of hard-boiled eggs for our daughter.
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Thought maybe this would be a quick little snack for her, and she didn t want to eat them.
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And I m like, I love a hard-boiled egg.
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You know, a little salt, pop it in.
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Delicious, right Carl?
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Okay, but how many hard-boiled eggs do you really want to eat?
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I don t know.
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This is a big old bag of hard boiled eggs and a bag of hard boiled eggs.
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Sounds disgusting.
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I m snacking on them.
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Hey, you know, one week turns into a couple months and there s still a handful of hard boiled eggs left in there.
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And I keep looking at the expiration date every time.
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And it says as like says mid May or something.
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I m like, these are great, they re still good.
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Carly s like, what are you doing?
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You can t eat those.
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I m like, it says mid-May, it says expires, or it didn t even say expires, it said sell by mid-May.
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Right, so I m fine.
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The last hard-boiled egg after a dozen or so of these things over a three-month period, I realize that it s, yes, you know, they expire seven days after you open the bag.
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So whatever.
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I ll be honest with you, my stomach handled them.
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Every time I opened it, the whole room would smell.
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What are you gonna do?
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My stomach handled it, that s all that matters.
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The GOAT premieres in two days, guys.
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There ll be three episodes available, but currently you can see the very first pilot episode, the first episode on YouTube.
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God, Amazon, you are confusing.
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Whatever.
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Don t forget to check out boyswearpink.com, the hottest toddler line out there.
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My tour, come see me in all the fun cities, Louisville,
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Detroit, Columbus.
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I don t know what we re going to do in Columbus.
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I ll tell you what I m going to do.
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I m going to blow the roof off of that venue when I perform my jokes.
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Speaking of unwatchable, another one of my kids  bedtime stories.
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See you next week.
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Once upon a time in a deep, deep down, a big, big cave was some little, little,
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Lions, but they wanted the ham.
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Hot dogs.
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Ham.
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They wanted the ham, but they said it was turkey meatballs.
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Ham meatballs.
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Turkey meatballs.
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Okay, now we do another one?
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That s the end of the story?
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That story is garbage.
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Hello, acclaimed comics writer and notorious Scott Summers hater, Rosie Knight.
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Well, hello, Emmy-winning podcaster and totally unbiased Targaryen royal supporter, Jason Concepcion.
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Somehow the X-Ray Vision podcast has returned.
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And like always, we ll be here every week.
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You ll hear from TV writers, actors, comics creators, pop culture critics.
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SPEAKER_05
Nothing is off the table.
6
SPEAKER_05
Listen to X-Ray Vision on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
6
SPEAKER_03
Hey, parents, looking for something fun to listen to in the car with your kids?
6
SPEAKER_03
Blippi and Mika have a brand new podcast, Blippi and Mika s Road Trip.
6
SPEAKER_03
Each week, the Blippi Mobile will take your kids to amazing places.
6
SPEAKER_03
Your kids will learn awesome new things about the places and things they see and hear.
6
SPEAKER_03
It s a fun, interactive listening experience for the whole family.
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Listen to Blippi and Mika s Road Trip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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If you want to level up your marketing and business knowledge, look no further than the Marketing School Podcast hosted by Neil Patel and yours truly, Eric Hsu.
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It is the number one marketing podcast on Apple and number 15 on business in the United States.
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Now, if you want to listen to interesting conversations with operators that have been there, done that, also with other interesting guests, then listen to Marketing School every weekday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.