0
SPEAKER_00
Today, I present to you Jared Ellner, my stylist, my closest confidant, my soulmate, my fashion soulmate.
0
SPEAKER_00
Sometimes my boyfriend, but that s weird.
0
SPEAKER_00
Now, today I m going to be talking fashion with the only person I want to talk about fashion with, Jared, my stylist, my fashion soulmate.
0
SPEAKER_00
I ve always been very into fashion myself, and I truly do believe that my relationship with Jared has allowed me to explore fashion with
0
SPEAKER_00
less of someone who s telling me what to do and rather a partner in crime.
0
SPEAKER_00
You know, somebody who also has a fashion mind, who is excited about putting together looks, you know, coming up with new things, experimenting for various events and even day-to-day life.
0
SPEAKER_00
We are true collaborators and together
0
SPEAKER_00
We put together outfits, and that s really all it is.
0
SPEAKER_00
And I can t wait for you to hang out with Jared, because my God, I love hanging out with Jared.
0
SPEAKER_00
I do it all the time.
0
SPEAKER_00
He s bestie.
0
SPEAKER_00
But now you get to have a little piece of Jared.
0
SPEAKER_00
And I had to drag him on here.
0
SPEAKER_00
So enjoy Jared.
0
SPEAKER_00
And don t take it for granted, because he is a rare fruit.
0
SPEAKER_00
Were you a stylish kid?
0
SPEAKER_01
Uh, my first instinct is to scream no.
0
SPEAKER_01
I really wasn t a stylish kid, I was just obsessed with fashion.
0
SPEAKER_01
Like, deep cut, like, fashion.
0
SPEAKER_01
Actually, I was a pretty... I grew up in, like, a repressed town, so I was, like, not that stylish.
0
SPEAKER_00
So, like, your style was, like, fitting in with the kids.
0
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
0
SPEAKER_00
What was that?
0
SPEAKER_00
Describe an outfit for Jared in high school.
0
SPEAKER_01
It s kind of similar to what I wear now, because I just wear a t-shirt and pants.
0
SPEAKER_01
That s what happens.
0
SPEAKER_01
But it was a bad t-shirt and ill-fitting.
0
SPEAKER_01
It was a worse t-shirt and a worse pair of pants.
0
SPEAKER_01
And that s it.
0
SPEAKER_01
There wasn t much going on, which is embarrassing.
0
SPEAKER_00
You know, that s one of my favorite things about you, though, is that before we started working together, I was like,
0
SPEAKER_00
Stylists must have the best personal style.
0
SPEAKER_00
It must be so insane and dynamic and crazy.
0
SPEAKER_00
Like it must be present there.
0
SPEAKER_00
What was so fascinating to me about you is that your personal style is understated.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s not like you re
0
SPEAKER_00
you know, wearing like an Alexander McQueen gown to like your birthday party.
0
SPEAKER_00
You re wearing like Carhartt s t-shirt, but like with a chic little boot.
0
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
0
SPEAKER_00
You know what I m saying?
0
SPEAKER_00
And it s like, so to me, it s so fascinating that your interest in fashion seems to be outside of yourself.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s not like you re obsessed with
0
SPEAKER_00
what you put on you, you re obsessed with the art of it.
0
SPEAKER_00
Elaborate on that.
0
SPEAKER_01
I just didn t think about it.
0
SPEAKER_01
Like, I didn t think about what I was wearing too hard.
0
SPEAKER_01
If I m like, I mean, growing up, happy and, like, fit in, great.
0
SPEAKER_01
We love it.
0
SPEAKER_01
And then it progressed and, like, hopefully it got cuter and just, like, simple.
0
SPEAKER_01
But I ve never been a person who, like, stares in the mirror and is like, okay, how does this fit?
0
SPEAKER_01
And what does this look like?
0
SPEAKER_01
And what do I have to do to look like this?
0
SPEAKER_01
But I m obsessed with, like,
0
SPEAKER_01
how other people look and how to like turn someone else into something and I think that s hopefully translated to my style where like it improved and now I do think about it but it was never about like oh my god I have to be a stylist because I love sneakers or something you know what I mean like and I have 500 sneakers I have two sneakers you know what I mean that s the vibe.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s so like you re weirdly a minimalist with your own closet.
0
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
0
SPEAKER_00
Like if I go into your closet, which I do, I m like looking around and- There s nothing.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s simple.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s effective.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s like, I feel like you have your uniform so that you can focus on putting other people into their little costume.
0
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
0
SPEAKER_00
And this is not a personal inward art form for you.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s very outward.
0
SPEAKER_00
Like I feel like it s all about putting things out.
0
SPEAKER_01
For sure.
0
SPEAKER_01
I mean, honestly, it s like each time somebody gets dressed, it s like a little art project.
0
SPEAKER_01
I m doing little dioramas.
0
SPEAKER_01
That s what it feels like.
0
SPEAKER_00
You re doing a little diorama on me, and then I m in leather underwear.
0
SPEAKER_01
And somehow it s a really slutty diorama.
0
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s so crazy, but it s totally hot.
0
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s amazing.
0
SPEAKER_00
And effective at the party.
0
SPEAKER_01
And inappropriate.
0
SPEAKER_00
And super inappropriate.
0
SPEAKER_01
It s totally fine.
0
SPEAKER_00
And it was controversial.
0
SPEAKER_01
Was it?
0
SPEAKER_00
People were like,
0
SPEAKER_00
who s this fucking freak?
0
SPEAKER_00
And then they were like, she s kind of cool, actually.
0
SPEAKER_01
Wait a second.
0
SPEAKER_01
They re taking their pants off?
0
SPEAKER_01
We re talking about when you wore Acne Studios underwear, leather, and a jacket.
0
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
0
SPEAKER_01
And nothing else.
0
SPEAKER_00
And nothing else.
0
SPEAKER_00
Actually, we ll get into that later.
0
SPEAKER_00
We ll talk about all of our looks later.
0
SPEAKER_00
What?
0
SPEAKER_00
All of the fun risks we ve taken, because we got riskier later.
0
SPEAKER_00
Okay, so you went to fashion school in New York City.
0
SPEAKER_00
Parsons.
0
SPEAKER_01
I went to Parsons, but I went for design.
0
SPEAKER_01
I did not dream of being a stylist.
0
SPEAKER_01
I don t think there was one time that I was growing up that I dreamt of being a stylist.
0
SPEAKER_01
I wanted to be a designer, like always.
0
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
0
SPEAKER_01
And then after college, I just started working at a magazine, and then you quite literally turned me into a stylist.
0
SPEAKER_01
I would not have been a stylist.
0
SPEAKER_01
Something else would have happened, but you were like, wait, I need a stylist.
0
SPEAKER_01
And I was like, I ll do it.
0
SPEAKER_01
But that s why.
0
SPEAKER_01
I never thought about it, but I went to school for fashion, which is also like, the fashion kids are less like, what s my vibe?
0
SPEAKER_01
And they show up in like something blank and they re like, what s your vibe?
0
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
0
SPEAKER_00
And that s what s so interesting about it.
0
SPEAKER_00
is that for me, fashion is so personal for me.
0
SPEAKER_00
I do love fashion objectively.
0
SPEAKER_00
I do enjoy looking at it and analyzing it and thinking about it.
0
SPEAKER_00
But it s like, I think I only do because I like fashion.
0
SPEAKER_00
using it as a form of personal expression.
0
SPEAKER_00
And I think that s kind of what sets apart, I m realizing, like a true fashion head who s like, I wanna work in this shit in the sense that I m designing, I m a stylist, I m, I mean, this is not true across the board, but I m noticing it more.
0
SPEAKER_00
Actually, now I m thinking about it more, and it just depends.
0
SPEAKER_01
You disagree.
0
SPEAKER_01
What do you mean?
0
SPEAKER_00
Because I m like, now I m thinking about it, and there are definitely some stylists who it s very personal for them, too.
0
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
0
SPEAKER_00
Like, they want to be dressed up.
0
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
0
SPEAKER_00
You know what I mean?
0
SPEAKER_00
It s a mix.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s a mix.
0
SPEAKER_01
Some people need to live in the fantasy of it, too, along with the people that they re dressing.
0
SPEAKER_01
And I think I m just starting to have more fun with that, but I never got into this to be involved at all.
0
SPEAKER_01
I just want to be behind the scenes and do the cute things and make it all happen and then disappear.
0
SPEAKER_01
But I think the people who are excited by being in the spotlight too, it s a different story.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s a different vibe.
0
SPEAKER_00
Jared needs to be in the spotlight and isn t.
0
SPEAKER_00
Isn t it always this way?
0
SPEAKER_00
Those who really deserve to be in the spotlight because they re so special, they just want to be hidden.
0
SPEAKER_01
I just want to go to bed.
0
SPEAKER_00
I just want to go to bed.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s actually true.
0
SPEAKER_00
I try to make Jared go out with me on the weekends and he s like,
0
SPEAKER_00
I m sending my boyfriend Owen with you.
0
SPEAKER_01
I d do it for you more than anybody in my entire life.
0
SPEAKER_00
No, it s amazing.
0
SPEAKER_00
Are you kidding me, Jared?
0
SPEAKER_00
You re so brave with me.
0
SPEAKER_01
Every three asks, two of them are no s.
0
SPEAKER_01
But for anyone else, it s just a blanket no.
0
SPEAKER_00
I know, but that s why I love our relationship.
0
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
0
SPEAKER_00
We push each other.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s like we re perfect for each other.
0
SPEAKER_00
We re soulmates.
0
SPEAKER_00
We are soulmates.
0
SPEAKER_00
Okay, so you went to fashion school.
0
SPEAKER_00
You were like, I want to be a designer.
0
SPEAKER_00
Now you are a designer and you design clothes.
0
SPEAKER_01
Not.
0
SPEAKER_01
I mean.
0
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, you do.
0
SPEAKER_00
You know how to design clothes and you design clothes.
0
SPEAKER_01
We re working on it.
0
SPEAKER_00
You are a phenomenal designer.
0
SPEAKER_00
I ve worn your clothes.
0
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
0
SPEAKER_01
You actually have.
0
SPEAKER_00
That s true.
0
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
0
SPEAKER_00
So stop lying to the public.
0
SPEAKER_00
It s just weird.
0
SPEAKER_01
That was a scary moment for me.
0
SPEAKER_01
Really?
0
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, of course.
0
SPEAKER_01
I think that was one of like our first five fittings, maybe.
0
SPEAKER_01
And we were just doing like cute stuff to dress up in.
0
SPEAKER_01
And I put you in it and you re like, this is so
0
SPEAKER_01
And I didn t say anything until after you d worn it or something, because I don t want to influence you and be like, I made this, but I did make that.
0
SPEAKER_00
Well, it s deeply personal to create something, and then it s even scarier.
0
SPEAKER_00
Actually, in retrospect, I m scared.
0
SPEAKER_00
Imagine you had showed it to me and been like, what do you think of this?
0
SPEAKER_00
And I d said, ooh, Jared, that s hideous.
0
SPEAKER_00
And you made it?
0
SPEAKER_01
But that s fair.
0
SPEAKER_01
You need feedback.
0
SPEAKER_01
By the way, that s happened, not with you, with other people.
0
SPEAKER_01
I ll tell you about it later.
0
SPEAKER_00
I can t wait.
0
SPEAKER_00
I m already thinking about it.
0
SPEAKER_00
Okay.
0
SPEAKER_00
So I m curious about your education.
0
SPEAKER_00
What s one thing that you learned from going to fashion school that you feel like is invaluable, if anything?
0
SPEAKER_00
And what s one thing that you wish you had learned and you didn t?
0
SPEAKER_01
Something that I learned that was invaluable?
0
SPEAKER_01
Knowing how clothes are made.
1
SPEAKER_01
and like how to fit them is like...
1
SPEAKER_01
I don t know how you do this without it, because there are so many times where, one, we re rolling up to the red carpet and the dress falls apart.
1
SPEAKER_01
Uh-oh, we have to sew it back together.
1
SPEAKER_01
We have to tell that story later.
1
SPEAKER_00
Horrifying.
1
SPEAKER_00
It happened to us.
1
SPEAKER_01
It was terrifying in the moment.
1
SPEAKER_00
It was terrifying.
1
SPEAKER_01
There were bigger issues, but that was horrible.
1
SPEAKER_01
It was terrible.
1
SPEAKER_01
Horrible.
1
SPEAKER_01
But knowing how to repair something, knowing how to make something fit.
1
SPEAKER_01
Clothes are not meant to fit everybody.
1
SPEAKER_01
They re meant to fit one person, so you have to really mold it and shape it and make it look like,
1
SPEAKER_01
flawless and that takes like knowing where to pull that tucks that in that like cinches hair like remember the dress you are for business of fashion like that s a contraption something like knowing how to turn that into something that actually fits is like yes
1
SPEAKER_01
I don t know how I would do this without that.
1
SPEAKER_01
I don t know how people do it without knowing how to make or adjust clothes.
1
SPEAKER_00
Doesn t fit then we re not wearing it.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s like No, a lot of times we re taking these pieces that are like, you know Okay, there s one size and it s basically like can we make this work?
1
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, and it is a huge huge huge piece of everything that we do.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s like trying to figure out how can we make this look right because I Mean, especially when we re working with pieces from the runway and stuff like that.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s like it s a nightmare Yeah
1
SPEAKER_00
It s, you know, but I never even thought about that.
1
SPEAKER_00
Like the technical side of the structure of a garment, that is huge and invaluable.
1
SPEAKER_01
But there s so many instances where it s just you and I in a dressing room somewhere or like somewhere random or in a remote part of I don t even know where, where it s just like me, you and some safety pins.
1
SPEAKER_01
And it s like, if I didn t feel confident in my ability to,
1
SPEAKER_01
alter things, I would be like, okay, well, you re going to look horrible.
1
SPEAKER_01
There s nothing we can do.
1
SPEAKER_00
Well, there s going to be something weird and baggy in the garage.
1
SPEAKER_01
It looks amazing, but it s just one giant lump on the back.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay, that s huge.
1
SPEAKER_01
That s something I m really
1
SPEAKER_01
happy that I learned.
1
SPEAKER_01
Something that I wish we had spent more time on, I don t really know how to describe this, but I wish there was more emphasis on how you put an outfit together and genuinely what you are so good at doing and why you are so good at
1
SPEAKER_01
fashion, you can put pieces together and you know what that style evokes.
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, this is going to be really steamy in a second.
1
SPEAKER_01
But it s true.
1
SPEAKER_01
You are brilliant for that.
1
SPEAKER_01
I ve learned so much from you because that s not how I look at fashion and you look at fashion in a way that s
1
SPEAKER_01
so personal and you can figure out how to turn random pieces into like a style or a vibe.
1
SPEAKER_01
And if I had known or thought about fashion like that, I think I would be better.
1
SPEAKER_01
Like if I had started there.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay, so you start working at a magazine.
1
SPEAKER_00
You re doing editorial styling for the magazine.
1
SPEAKER_00
You re, right?
1
SPEAKER_01
I started as an assistant, but yeah, eventually.
1
SPEAKER_01
What?
1
SPEAKER_00
Because you did that for me.
1
SPEAKER_00
Wait, tell the story of how we met.
1
SPEAKER_00
Sorry.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay, great.
1
SPEAKER_00
Do that.
1
SPEAKER_01
I was working at a magazine called Garage Magazine.
1
SPEAKER_01
I was so lucky to work there.
1
SPEAKER_01
It was a magazine of six people, and I was the assistant.
1
SPEAKER_01
And then I worked there for years with the fucking sickest team, and I learned so much.
1
SPEAKER_01
It was insane.
1
SPEAKER_01
And then by the end, like year three and a half, I started styling my own shoots and working less as an assistant and more as an editor.
1
SPEAKER_01
And they wanted to do a TikTok shoot, because TikTok was it.
1
SPEAKER_00
So ironic now.
1
SPEAKER_01
The most ironic thing possible.
1
SPEAKER_01
They were like, okay, let s do a TikTok shoot.
1
SPEAKER_01
What is that?
1
SPEAKER_01
What do we do?
1
SPEAKER_01
I forget how, but I remember being like, we should use Emma Chamberlain for it.
1
SPEAKER_01
And they were like, okay, that s never going to happen.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I was like, yeah, I know, but this is, we re spitballing.
1
SPEAKER_01
This is brainstorming.
1
SPEAKER_01
And then shockingly, I guess you were down.
1
SPEAKER_01
And they were like, okay, she s doing it.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I was like, oh shit.
1
SPEAKER_01
And they were like, you re going to style it.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I was like, okay, I m going to jump off a bridge.
1
SPEAKER_01
But it was actually great.
1
SPEAKER_00
We had so much fun.
1
SPEAKER_01
That was a fun shoot.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay, so it was basically we shot for like, what, seven hours?
1
SPEAKER_00
It felt like for one TikTok.
1
SPEAKER_00
And it had crazy transitions.
1
SPEAKER_01
This is when no one knew what TikTok was, what the point of it was.
1
SPEAKER_01
I remember doing the story and being like, this is going to be so out of touch in three weeks, but we still did it.
1
SPEAKER_01
And it was great, but also it was in the era where TikTok was just dance.
1
SPEAKER_01
That s it.
1
SPEAKER_01
It was a song and it was a dance.
1
SPEAKER_01
There was nothing else.
1
SPEAKER_00
Maybe a lip sync.
1
SPEAKER_01
Maybe, I don t even know.
1
SPEAKER_01
I don t even know if lip syncing.
1
SPEAKER_00
Maybe not even a lip sync, yeah.
1
SPEAKER_01
I don t know if they ve heard of it yet.
1
SPEAKER_00
No, yeah.
1
SPEAKER_01
So it was basically you doing one TikTok switching outfits.
1
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
1
SPEAKER_01
The entire time.
1
SPEAKER_01
And I have like a lot of criticism for that shoot, because like it was the first thing I ever did.
1
SPEAKER_00
I would change a lot, but- I have such a fondness for the way that you styled that.
1
SPEAKER_01
Really?
1
SPEAKER_01
Why?
1
SPEAKER_00
Because, okay, it was campy to the max.
1
SPEAKER_00
And to me, I don t think that that TikTok would have
1
SPEAKER_00
been interesting had the styling been maybe more cool or maybe more like it kind of had to be campy and crazy and fun and you put me in this like insane dress that had the crazy the big it was so loud and so crazy and it was so
1
SPEAKER_00
That s what made the TikTok.
1
SPEAKER_00
And I had like pink eyeshadow on.
1
SPEAKER_01
You did.
1
SPEAKER_00
And it was like, also the hairstylist taped my face back.
1
SPEAKER_00
Remember?
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
You looked amazing.
1
SPEAKER_00
I looked so good.
1
SPEAKER_01
Holy fuck.
1
SPEAKER_00
You looked so good.
1
SPEAKER_00
Every time I ve gotten my face taped for a shoot after that point, it s been like,
1
SPEAKER_00
Damn, I can t ever go back.
1
SPEAKER_01
No.
1
SPEAKER_00
Damn, this shit feels good.
1
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s really nice.
1
SPEAKER_00
Actually, it hurts so bad.
1
SPEAKER_01
It s horrible, but the result is a relief.
1
SPEAKER_01
Wow.
1
SPEAKER_00
For those of you who don t know what getting your face taped means, you put two little, there s two sticky pads that go on your temples, and then there s little hooks on them, and then there s an elastic that you put around your head, and it
1
SPEAKER_00
It just lifts the whole fucking thing.
1
SPEAKER_00
It lifts your face as though you have a snatched ponytail, and your face just looks... It s completely toxic.
1
SPEAKER_01
It s horribly toxic.
1
SPEAKER_01
It s like horribly... It s ruining our world industry.
1
SPEAKER_00
No, no, no.
1
SPEAKER_00
This is like... When we all say social media is fake, it s like, yeah, yeah, the girls  faces are taped.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay, so let s go back.
1
SPEAKER_00
So we were... Sorry.
1
SPEAKER_00
No, we... That was me.
1
SPEAKER_00
But also, Jared, you re on thin ice.
1
SPEAKER_00
So, yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay, so we re... You re putting me in these crazy outfits for this TikTok shoot.
1
SPEAKER_00
And I, at the time, didn t have a stylist.
1
SPEAKER_00
I, for me, was almost anti the idea.
1
SPEAKER_00
Because I was like, I... You are style.
1
SPEAKER_01
I m sorry.
1
SPEAKER_01
You became who you are in part for your style and how good you are at doing that.
1
SPEAKER_01
And that s like such a crazy thing.
1
SPEAKER_01
Because that s like, how does one even do that?
1
SPEAKER_00
You know what?
1
SPEAKER_00
I actually do think that that s why I was so against it.
1
SPEAKER_00
Because I was like, I m going to lose my edge.
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
It s not gonna be me anymore.
1
SPEAKER_00
And so I was always so against the idea.
1
SPEAKER_01
Which is very valid.
1
SPEAKER_00
But the only time I would work with a stylist was at a photo shoot when it was like editorial and it was like, okay, I m being put in like a crazy outfit.
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
And this is so fun, but also for my day to day or like for, you know, even for an event, I used to style myself and I would
1
SPEAKER_00
really do bad to that.
1
SPEAKER_00
I don t believe that.
1
SPEAKER_00
That was not good.
1
SPEAKER_00
No, my first event outfit ever.
1
SPEAKER_01
What is it?
1
SPEAKER_00
Was insane.
1
SPEAKER_01
Wait, we ve never looked at that.
1
SPEAKER_00
What was it?
1
SPEAKER_00
Imagine this.
1
SPEAKER_01
Tell me.
1
SPEAKER_01
I m thinking.
1
SPEAKER_00
Okay.
1
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
It was a pair of super high-waisted gray plaid pants that were tapered though.
1
SPEAKER_00
So that s where they got bad.
1
SPEAKER_00
And then we had
1
SPEAKER_00
A Gucci boot, lace up.
1
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
A little heel.
1
SPEAKER_00
No, no, it gets worse.
1
SPEAKER_00
I had a white bodysuit on.
1
SPEAKER_00
I m so sorry.
1
SPEAKER_00
This whole event that I went to, not only was my worst outfit, but also it was that embarrassing speech I did at the Streamy Awards.
1
SPEAKER_00
Oh no.
1
SPEAKER_00
I won an award and I went up on stage and I bombed the speech and I still get made fun of about it to this day.
1
SPEAKER_00
Fair enough, you guys.
1
SPEAKER_00
This is good.
1
SPEAKER_01
You need to be character building humbled.
1
SPEAKER_01
You can t, this is something we actually discussed, you can t be hot all the time.
1
SPEAKER_00
You can t.
1
SPEAKER_01
And you shouldn t.
1
SPEAKER_01
It s not right for the fabric of society, like it s not good.
1
SPEAKER_00
You cannot, and anyone who is.
1
SPEAKER_00
You need to bomb.
1
SPEAKER_01
Is a bad person.
1
SPEAKER_00
Bad, evil, evil, evil, evil, evil.
1
SPEAKER_00
Stay away.
1
SPEAKER_00
Something s wrong.
1
SPEAKER_00
Sinister.
1
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
1
SPEAKER_00
Sinister, if you can t find a skeleton in the closet, like an embarrassing skeleton in the closet of a human being.
1
SPEAKER_01
Something s wrong.
1
SPEAKER_00
No, no, no, huge red flag, abort mission.
1
SPEAKER_00
Like get out, because it s not gonna be good.
1
SPEAKER_00
So yeah, that was really bad.
1
SPEAKER_01
That s tough.
1
SPEAKER_00
So like my personal style, I did not want to be threatened, but I was like, and I just was scared.
1
SPEAKER_00
I was like, if I hire a stylist, you know, what s going to happen to my own personal identity?
1
SPEAKER_00
But I was also at the time like working with stylists only for photo shoots.
1
SPEAKER_00
So that s how I met Jared.
1
SPEAKER_00
The whole styling world
2
SPEAKER_00
like what a stylist was, I always thought of it as, this is so business.
2
SPEAKER_00
This is so for press, for magazines, for this, for that, for the red carpet.
2
SPEAKER_00
And at the time, I was rarely doing those things.
2
SPEAKER_00
So it was like, I don t know, it was just interesting because I met you in a context where I was like, this is so fun to work with somebody on this and I love this, but also,
2
SPEAKER_00
Where does this fit into my life?
2
SPEAKER_00
Anyway, but then I was like No, something clicked for me.
2
SPEAKER_00
And I was like, I need a stylist.
2
SPEAKER_00
Well, you became a busy girl Well, it was also it was like a combination of like, oh, I m starting to go to more events I m starting to have more photo shoots for for things but also like it d be so fun to have just like a partner in crime on this you can like who has the resources to to go out and and
2
SPEAKER_00
this is huge, basically rent things.
2
SPEAKER_00
Lend things.
2
SPEAKER_00
Because it s just unsustainable to be always buying new things and then now you own them.
2
SPEAKER_01
It makes no sense.
2
SPEAKER_00
Whereas Jared and I are technically renting things all the time.
2
SPEAKER_00
And then I wear it and then we give it back.
2
SPEAKER_00
So it s like, anywho, so I was like, I need a stylist and Jared was the only option.
2
SPEAKER_01
It s interesting that if you don t want to have a stylist because you don t want to lose your identity, but when you start doing so much that you need to be in clothes so much, if you work with a bunch of random people, then you actually don t have any identity.
2
SPEAKER_01
I think it s like...
2
SPEAKER_01
It s really helpful to have somebody to grow with so that you can start to feel like one brain and that you don t have to explain anything and they know about your weird stomach issues and if what s gonna work with that or not and also what vibe you are in in your life.
2
SPEAKER_01
No body suits Jared, Emma might have diarrhea at the function.
2
SPEAKER_01
Exactly.
2
SPEAKER_01
No thongs because, I can t actually say this.
2
SPEAKER_00
No thongs because Emma will shit herself and it will be everywhere.
2
SPEAKER_00
No.
2
SPEAKER_00
I mean, I think what happened was, my publicist Kate was like, you need a stylist.
2
SPEAKER_00
You can t handle dressing yourself for events, dressing yourself for photo shoots.
2
SPEAKER_00
dressing yourself or even just pulling pieces for day-to-day life, you just don t have time.
2
SPEAKER_00
And she was like, you really need to consider a stylist.
2
SPEAKER_00
And I was so against it.
2
SPEAKER_00
And then she was like, what about Jared?
2
SPEAKER_00
And I was like, yeah.
2
SPEAKER_00
Actually, that is perfect because I could tell that you were never going to make it your agenda.
2
SPEAKER_00
Like I could tell immediately that fashion for you, there s not ego in it for you.
2
SPEAKER_00
Like you, it s art for you.
2
SPEAKER_00
And that was so clear to me on that day that the second she said it, I was like, that makes complete sense.
2
SPEAKER_00
That is exactly,
2
SPEAKER_00
who it is.
2
SPEAKER_00
And, you know, very, very quickly, I feel like our relationship just became what it is.
2
SPEAKER_00
And I would say it s very unusual.
2
SPEAKER_00
Do you agree?
2
SPEAKER_01
I can t stop smiling.
2
SPEAKER_01
That was the sweetest time.
2
SPEAKER_01
That was so, I was so scared during that time.
2
SPEAKER_01
It was like falling in love.
2
SPEAKER_01
That was actually falling in love.
2
SPEAKER_01
Right?
2
SPEAKER_01
I hope you weren t nervous.
2
SPEAKER_01
I was so nervous during that time.
2
SPEAKER_00
I was nervous too because it s like, this is like, weirdly an intimate thing.
2
SPEAKER_01
I m like,
2
SPEAKER_00
Inside you like I m like taking your pants off and like putting on like g-string like it s so intimate I mean like at the Met one year like he s Cutting my underwear like he s like up my inside inside with scissors cutting this seam around my underwear because you could see it through Through my skirt.
2
SPEAKER_00
It is an incredibly intimate relationship on an emotional level and on
2
SPEAKER_00
On a physical level.
2
SPEAKER_01
So intimate.
2
SPEAKER_01
It s crazy.
2
SPEAKER_01
Right?
2
SPEAKER_01
It s insane.
2
SPEAKER_01
But I think when we first started working together, we did Chamberlain Coffee shoot and I put you in.
2
SPEAKER_01
I didn t know that your mom was going to be at this shoot.
2
SPEAKER_01
no one told me and for whatever reason I thought it was appropriate to put you in a gorgeous but like such a slutty outfit for the first outfit we ve ever done like officially together oh my god it was stunning it was this beaded miniskirt and top but it was so short and the top was so tiny and my nipple was kind of poking through the bead just a little bit and we were like oh but
2
SPEAKER_01
And you were in the highest heels.
2
SPEAKER_01
Like, all the Chamberlain coffee shoots before that, tan, demure, it s holiday, full skank.
2
SPEAKER_01
It was so fun, though.
2
SPEAKER_01
And then your mom literally walked out from the back room and my heart sank.
2
SPEAKER_01
And I was like, it s over.
2
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, but now you know that, like, no one s a bigger fan of Jared than my mom.
2
SPEAKER_01
She loved it.
2
SPEAKER_01
No, no, no.
2
SPEAKER_01
No one s a bigger fan of, well, maybe me, but also you looking hot and slutty.
2
SPEAKER_00
My mom loves it.
2
SPEAKER_01
She s obsessed with it.
2
SPEAKER_00
My mom does, like, yeah, she does love it.
2
SPEAKER_00
She loves it.
2
SPEAKER_00
Because she s like, Emma, like,
2
SPEAKER_00
Why are you not tapping into this?
2
SPEAKER_00
Have fun.
2
SPEAKER_00
You re young.
2
SPEAKER_00
She s correct.
2
SPEAKER_00
Enjoy.
2
SPEAKER_01
But not all moms are like that.
2
SPEAKER_01
So I did get a little nervous.
2
SPEAKER_00
But then you found out.
2
SPEAKER_01
But then I found out and I was like, okay, we should go shorter.
2
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, like when are we going shorter?
2
SPEAKER_00
And then fast forward to now I wear underwear on the red carpet.
2
SPEAKER_00
It s so silly fun.
2
SPEAKER_01
She s super happy.
2
SPEAKER_00
She s super happy.
2
SPEAKER_00
She s really proud of you.
2
SPEAKER_00
She s kind of like what I ve turned into.
2
SPEAKER_00
Wait, describe our relationship in your words.
2
SPEAKER_01
In my words?
2
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2
SPEAKER_00
And then I ll describe our relationship in my words.
2
SPEAKER_01
I ll fill in the gaps.
2
SPEAKER_01
Okay, cool.
2
SPEAKER_01
Truthfully, I really do feel like you re my fashion sister soulmate.
2
SPEAKER_01
There are very few people who
2
SPEAKER_01
Maybe not agree, because we mostly agree, but who understand what I want to articulate, or I want you to articulate, or what I m envisioning or imagining, you, I think, can understand what I m going for.
2
SPEAKER_01
Very easily.
2
SPEAKER_01
And a lot of people, it takes a lot of work and a lot of proving and a lot of trust and a lot of successes to be like, okay, I trust you.
2
SPEAKER_01
But I think you really get it and also are excited by the same things.
2
SPEAKER_01
I feel deeply connected to you in a disgusting way.
2
SPEAKER_01
That s very embarrassing.
2
SPEAKER_00
It s fashion and then it s also, because the thing is, Jared and I, if we were not doing fashion, would still be best friends anyway.
2
SPEAKER_01
I would hope so.
2
SPEAKER_00
Jared, you re my best friend.
2
SPEAKER_00
I literally, I m like, I don t have anyone else, Jared.
2
SPEAKER_01
By the way, same.
2
SPEAKER_00
No, I know, we need each other.
2
SPEAKER_00
You re my best friend.
2
SPEAKER_00
And then with Owen, the three of us, it s like...
2
SPEAKER_01
Oh, this is, this is life.
2
SPEAKER_01
This is, it s, I don t know if this is the right description, but I will never, ever, ever be more grateful for a relationship, probably ever in my life.
2
SPEAKER_01
Maybe my family, maybe, maybe Owen, but like you- Maybe Owen?
2
SPEAKER_01
No, Owen, but also maybe not.
2
SPEAKER_00
Owen is literally- Honestly, maybe not.
2
SPEAKER_00
Owen s in the group chat right now, like Jared, what the fuck was that?
2
SPEAKER_01
He heard it.
2
SPEAKER_00
He heard it.
2
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, he heard it.
2
SPEAKER_01
He probably did hear it.
2
SPEAKER_01
But genuinely, because nobody else, one, still allows me to do what I want to do in a way that you allow me to, but also, it s really a lot of trust and power to put in someone s hands, and to feel confident enough to choose a random,
2
SPEAKER_01
I don t know how old was I at the time, 23, 23-year-old, to be like, okay, you, is crazy.
2
SPEAKER_01
It s crazy.
2
SPEAKER_01
You fully changed my life and I will never get over it.
2
SPEAKER_00
We can t.
2
SPEAKER_00
We literally have to talk about something so- So superficial.
2
SPEAKER_00
So inappropriate and superficial after this or else I m going to start crying.
2
SPEAKER_00
Because Jared, I mean, you to me are
2
SPEAKER_00
complete fashion soulmate and it s there s not only do we see eye to eye but we also disagree.
2
SPEAKER_01
We ve gotten good at disagreeing lately.
2
SPEAKER_00
No, no, no.
2
SPEAKER_00
It s amazing, Jared.
2
SPEAKER_00
It s good.
2
SPEAKER_00
I would argue creative relationships are fucking pointless if it just becomes an echo chamber.
2
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
2
SPEAKER_00
If you agree about everything, no one gets challenged.
2
SPEAKER_00
No one learns.
2
SPEAKER_00
It s so healthy to disagree.
2
SPEAKER_00
I mean, I think that s why we create so many looks that we re proud of together because
2
SPEAKER_00
We fight.
2
SPEAKER_00
It s like, no, no, no, not that.
2
SPEAKER_00
Hair needs to be up.
2
SPEAKER_00
Jared, hair needs to be down.
2
SPEAKER_01
We do get in a lot of glam-specific fights.
2
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, this is for red carpet events.
2
SPEAKER_01
There s a lot.
2
SPEAKER_00
We re always... Jared s like...
2
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, you re wearing, no, no, no.
2
SPEAKER_00
Ponytail down to the ass for today.
2
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s gonna have to be ponytail down to the ass.
2
SPEAKER_00
Jared, can we just do a natural, let s just do a natural super scruffy, looks like I didn t brush my hair for four days.
2
SPEAKER_00
He s like, ponytail down to your ankles.
2
SPEAKER_01
There was a period where that was the fight, though.
2
SPEAKER_01
And for six months, I feel like there was a certain length of your hair where you re like, scruffy, obviously.
2
SPEAKER_01
I was like, it can t be.
2
SPEAKER_01
And then we kept getting into fights.
2
SPEAKER_01
I have a few memories of some good fights.
2
SPEAKER_01
But also, just,
2
SPEAKER_01
before I forget the opposite I feel like happens to where either someone gets dressed by a stylist and they take all of their opinions completely or they need to dictate the show and they have to like do what they want
3
SPEAKER_01
to do and they are unable to actually tap into a stylist s ideas because they re either too insecure or they need to stick to what they ve done or they re controlling, like whatever.
3
SPEAKER_01
That s also something too.
3
SPEAKER_01
So it s both ways.
3
SPEAKER_01
Both people have to be equally open.
3
SPEAKER_00
I recently did some self-reflecting, because I was like, my style really is all over the place.
3
SPEAKER_00
We go to one event, and I look like this pretty little princess, and then we go to another event, and I m wearing the leather underwear, and then I m going to another event, and I m a little schoolgirl, preppy vibe, and then I m playing tennis, and then I look like an alien.
3
SPEAKER_00
I ve always wondered, what is the through line?
3
SPEAKER_00
Is there a through line?
3
SPEAKER_00
Does there need to be a through line?
3
SPEAKER_01
As long as it feels authentic, then it s on the same path.
3
SPEAKER_01
But that s the thing.
3
SPEAKER_01
You have so many different facets that all of that s authentic.
3
SPEAKER_01
I think you re so comfortable with so many parts of yourself that you re like... There s a lot of parts.
3
SPEAKER_01
There s a lot of parts.
3
SPEAKER_01
So there s a lot of looks.
3
SPEAKER_00
There s a lot of looks.
3
SPEAKER_01
So it s just different.
3
SPEAKER_01
But I don t know.
3
SPEAKER_01
I think that s the most fun part.
3
SPEAKER_01
And also I think, more recently for sure,
3
SPEAKER_01
you slash we have gotten more experimental because you re even more comfortable and we re even more comfortable.
3
SPEAKER_01
And also it s a sense of like, who gives a fuck?
3
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
3
SPEAKER_01
I feel like we ve gotten to a point where it s like, if we feel like it s good, even if it doesn t translate 1 million percent, like we know what we did.
3
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, and we fucking like it.
3
SPEAKER_00
I think that s something interesting I ve noticed about the fashion world from the perspective of people in fashion and from the perspective of people outside of fashion.
3
SPEAKER_00
I ve just noticed that the fashion world, in all the various eyes on it, take it way too fucking seriously.
3
SPEAKER_00
If somebody, a celebrity, wears a look on the carpet and the masses don t like it,
3
SPEAKER_00
It s like.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s headline news.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s headline news.
3
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s actually really insane how fashion has that effect.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s crazy.
3
SPEAKER_00
What are your thoughts on that?
3
SPEAKER_01
It s just a waste of time to like be that critical about something that s so surface level.
3
SPEAKER_01
But then again, I also am obsessed with it and that s what I spend my whole life doing.
3
SPEAKER_01
So I find it fascinating.
3
SPEAKER_01
So I kind of bounce back and forth.
3
SPEAKER_01
I think fashion is as equally
3
SPEAKER_01
dumb and a waste of time and overhyped as I am deathly obsessed with it and will never stop thinking about it and spend every second of my day working on it.
3
SPEAKER_01
So like, I m not a good barometer for this because I can t make up my mind about it.
3
SPEAKER_00
What I ve noticed is people who aren t necessarily in the fashion world, they don t really care.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s not their sport, okay?
3
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
really judgmental of fashion.
3
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
3
SPEAKER_00
Most people who are not in fashion think fashion is stupid.
3
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s actually really fascinating because I always did too.
3
SPEAKER_00
I was like, this runway show is stupid.
3
SPEAKER_01
Oh, really?
3
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
I saw a show on YouTube or something.
3
SPEAKER_00
And it was like there was all this stuff coming out and there was like whatever.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I remember thinking, I don t get it.
3
SPEAKER_00
What the fuck is this?
3
SPEAKER_00
Who is this for?
3
SPEAKER_00
What is what purpose is this serving?
3
SPEAKER_00
I did not understand what it was.
3
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
And so I thought it was dumb.
3
SPEAKER_00
And that s why I was critical of it.
3
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
3
SPEAKER_00
I was always hypercritical of fashion because I think I didn t understand it.
3
SPEAKER_00
But also, I think in a weird way, I was threatened by not understanding it, which made me resent it.
3
SPEAKER_01
I think that s how a lot of people probably feel because it s so, at times, over the top that it s like, how could I even engage with this?
3
SPEAKER_01
Okay, I can t engage with this.
3
SPEAKER_01
Wait, I m kind of pissed about this.
3
SPEAKER_01
This is dumb.
3
SPEAKER_01
I feel like that s probably the trajectory.
3
SPEAKER_01
And also, it s not wrong.
3
SPEAKER_01
Fashion is the most pretentious space, unnecessarily.
3
SPEAKER_01
You find the people with the worst morals and who care about the worst things and are so judgmental, and not even the people, but the ideals that it projects, there s so much toxicity in it.
3
SPEAKER_01
But I think if you re not someone who s gonna ever directly benefit from the part, are you good?
3
SPEAKER_01
I m so good, keep going.
3
SPEAKER_01
From the parts that like,
3
SPEAKER_01
are great about it.
3
SPEAKER_01
If you re never going to wear something for a photo shoot or, I don t know, not even that, but just dress up for the sake of dressing up, most people don t either have time to do that or have the freedom to explore that or express that.
3
SPEAKER_01
If you re never actually gonna benefit from fashion, it s pretty useless.
3
SPEAKER_01
Fashion can be horrible and what it promotes is pretty horrible a lot of the times.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s true.
3
SPEAKER_01
And we re actively working to change that.
3
SPEAKER_00
maybe we can make it about the art again.
3
SPEAKER_00
I mean, cause I think that s what, that s what it should be.
3
SPEAKER_00
Now that I m thinking about it, I m realizing like both of us genuinely care about fashion because it to us is like, this is art to us.
3
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, totally.
3
SPEAKER_00
And I don t think that that is true for the rest of the industry.
3
SPEAKER_01
No, fashion is like, for whatever reason, however this happened over history, so deeply tied to power.
3
SPEAKER_01
And I think that s just fucked a lot of shit up.
3
SPEAKER_01
And like, I think also part of the allure and fun of the fashion industry is like, the like, sexy, am I gonna make it in?
3
SPEAKER_01
Are people gonna respect me?
3
SPEAKER_01
Oh my God, this is so tough.
3
SPEAKER_01
Wait, I did it.
3
SPEAKER_01
Like, it s just like the devil wears Prada.
3
SPEAKER_00
It totally, like, that movie, I think is,
3
SPEAKER_00
all anyone needs to know.
3
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
As a stylist, how do you manage to figure out how to create a look that will translate to the world?
3
SPEAKER_00
What is that process like?
3
SPEAKER_00
But then also, where s your head at when you re sending off your person, your client, and they re about to go get a bunch of photos taken and there s now nothing you can do?
3
SPEAKER_00
Talk about all this.
3
SPEAKER_01
Literally terrifying.
3
SPEAKER_01
Sending someone out and having no control.
3
SPEAKER_01
Horrible.
3
SPEAKER_01
You have to have thought through every possible thing that could go wrong or look wrong or be weird or not make sense.
3
SPEAKER_01
So scary.
3
SPEAKER_01
And who knows?
3
SPEAKER_01
There s a gust of wind when the photo s taken.
3
SPEAKER_01
Uh-oh.
3
SPEAKER_01
Horrible.
3
SPEAKER_00
Her boobies out.
3
SPEAKER_01
Her boobs out.
3
SPEAKER_01
Literally.
3
SPEAKER_00
Have I had a boobie out yet?
3
SPEAKER_01
I don t think so.
3
SPEAKER_00
I don t think I ve ever told this sort of story.
3
SPEAKER_00
Like, I don t think I ve ever talked about this publicly.
3
SPEAKER_00
Maybe I have.
3
SPEAKER_00
When I go to events, when I do red carpets, when I go to the fashion shows, I m also a mess.
3
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_01
As you should be, yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
I m like, it doesn t matter how good I feel in person, it doesn t matter how confident I feel in person, if the lighting s off, if the photographers aren t good, if, I don t know, there s a weird shadow somewhere, I mean, Jared, you know, it s ruined my day.
3
SPEAKER_01
Which one are you referring to?
3
SPEAKER_00
It s not always the outfit.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s like, it s sometimes even just like the glam, like how the makeup looks, how the hair looks in person.
3
SPEAKER_00
Like Venice day one red dress.
3
SPEAKER_01
Which was crazy because I thought you looked amazing.
3
SPEAKER_00
It looked so good on Instagram.
3
SPEAKER_00
Or no, it looked so good on iPhone.
3
SPEAKER_00
Like it was whatever, but my face just looked weird.
3
SPEAKER_01
You look so good.
3
SPEAKER_01
But I understand it.
3
SPEAKER_01
Sometimes you just can t.
3
SPEAKER_01
Sometimes it just doesn t work for you.
3
SPEAKER_00
It just didn t.
3
SPEAKER_00
No, but it s like, sometimes it comes down to bad lighting.
3
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_00
Imagine this.
3
SPEAKER_00
Like, there s certain red carpets that always have good lighting.
3
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s like... Vanity Fair.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s Vanity Fair Oscar party.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s the Met Gala.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s... You don t like the Met lighting?
3
SPEAKER_01
Sometimes I do.
3
SPEAKER_01
Usually it s great, but Vanity Fair is like... Vanity Fair is the best.
3
SPEAKER_01
Gorgeous.
3
SPEAKER_00
Wait, what else is good?
3
SPEAKER_01
You haven t gone, but the Academy Gala is so good.
3
SPEAKER_00
The lighting is really good there.
3
SPEAKER_01
Gorgeous.
3
SPEAKER_00
See, but these are the things that we think about because, you know, it s genuinely so frightening to, and it shouldn t be, right?
3
SPEAKER_00
Like, in an ideal world, it s like, we don t care.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s like, you know, you don t look at a photo and ever think you look bad.
3
SPEAKER_00
In an ideal world, I m so sorry, that is not.
3
SPEAKER_01
Oh my God.
3
SPEAKER_00
That s an impossible place.
3
SPEAKER_00
Not impossible, I m not gonna say that.
3
SPEAKER_00
That is such a challenging place to get to that majority of us are not.
3
SPEAKER_00
going into a red carpet, like, yo, fuck it.
3
SPEAKER_00
If I look like shit, I look like shit, I don t care.
3
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, but also there s so much effort put into those moments.
3
SPEAKER_00
You want to be happy with what it looks like.
3
SPEAKER_00
How do you style a look that you think will translate well
3
SPEAKER_00
when it ends up on the internet instead of it just being in person because what have you found is the most effective is it like taking photos of it with your iPhone and seeing if it translates like sometimes in a 2d form it s like definitely okay that s like step one yeah it has to look good in iphone pics it has to look good in a shitty quality photo like it it just has to that s if it doesn t pass that test it s not being worn done
3
SPEAKER_01
Lighting is a lot of it, so also imagining like every type of lighting it could be in.
3
SPEAKER_01
It s basically just like a huge checklist of like, okay, well this won t look good because of this, or this won t look good because it s not, even though in person it s snatched, if you look at it from a weird angle, it s not, like there s so many things that are so specific to each look that I don t know if there s a way to categorize it all at once, but it s a lot of like canceling out.
3
SPEAKER_00
It s basically finding something that hits all the criteria, which is super challenging.
4
SPEAKER_01
Even still, it s like, eh, let s hit it.
4
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
4
SPEAKER_00
Okay, why don t we tell them some of our horror stories?
4
SPEAKER_00
Oh, okay.
4
SPEAKER_00
Why don t you tell the story about the lawn comb event at the Louvre.
4
SPEAKER_00
Red dress.
4
SPEAKER_00
What happened, Jared?
4
SPEAKER_00
You tell it.
4
SPEAKER_01
It was a beautiful dress.
4
SPEAKER_01
It was gorgeous.
4
SPEAKER_01
It was a vintage red dress that we learned was very delicate.
4
SPEAKER_01
And a lot of times you can t cut things because it s vintage or it s a runway sample or whatever.
4
SPEAKER_01
So you have to find a way to tailor it without cutting it.
4
SPEAKER_01
challenging and this specific dress was too long so we had to figure out a way to make it shorter but it was so thin that it wasn t an easy dress to make shorter so a special like hand sewn alteration that didn t cut anything had to be done and it was like kind of a big train so it was all the way around so that happened you tried it on you did glam
4
SPEAKER_01
you were doing photos beforehand, and I looked over and you were like, uh-oh, and the whole thing had come undone, the whole hand-sewn hem.
4
SPEAKER_00
That probably took like, right?
4
SPEAKER_01
That probably took hours for our sweet tailor to do.
4
SPEAKER_01
And this is just what happens, like you, no shade to the tailor, like that just happens when you re working with- Well, because my shoe got caught on it and ripped the thin thread, and it s just like, that s all that-
4
SPEAKER_01
That s it.
4
SPEAKER_01
We re doing the best we can.
4
SPEAKER_01
So you got in the car.
4
SPEAKER_01
Luckily it was kind of a long drive.
4
SPEAKER_01
Long drive.
4
SPEAKER_01
Maybe 20, 30 minutes.
4
SPEAKER_01
That s nice.
4
SPEAKER_01
And it was a bumpy ride and I just had to sit on the floor and re-hand sew the whole thing.
4
SPEAKER_01
And then
4
SPEAKER_01
Finally done.
4
SPEAKER_01
Gorgeous.
4
SPEAKER_01
We re so happy.
4
SPEAKER_00
more challenging to understand.
4
SPEAKER_00
I quite literally didn t know how Jared was sewing this in a certain way to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was very confusing, too.
4
SPEAKER_00
We had our flashlights shining on him, and he s like, the fucking car is coming.
4
SPEAKER_00
Jared s sewing my skirt.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was insane.
4
SPEAKER_01
It was horrible.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was horrible.
4
SPEAKER_01
And then five minutes, no, I would say three minutes before.
4
SPEAKER_00
No, no, no, I d say two.
4
SPEAKER_01
As we were pulling up.
4
SPEAKER_01
As you were pulling up, we looked down, the center seam of your dress popped.
4
SPEAKER_01
Like, out of nowhere.
4
SPEAKER_01
This was our worst luck yet.
4
SPEAKER_00
No, the security of the event was trying to open the front door and Jared s like, shut the fucking door.
4
SPEAKER_00
I was like, Jared, baby, that was so weird.
4
SPEAKER_01
He s like, shut the fucking door.
4
SPEAKER_01
You re like, this is not that big of a deal.
4
SPEAKER_00
No, it actually was because my entire cooter was out.
4
SPEAKER_00
Quite literally.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was like split down the fucking center.
4
SPEAKER_00
What the fuck happened?
4
SPEAKER_00
It actually wasn t that big.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was probably like what?
4
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, but it was, like, very vaginal.
4
SPEAKER_01
It was a slit, right?
4
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, like, that was a hole for your vagina.
4
SPEAKER_01
Anyway, so we had to close that.
4
SPEAKER_01
So, we actually should have left it.
4
SPEAKER_01
You could have had a lot of fun.
4
SPEAKER_01
We had to close that, and that was really stressful.
4
SPEAKER_01
I was, like, kind of stressed before that, but then when we were, like, there, and they were, like... Yeah, but thank God you had thread from the bottom.
4
SPEAKER_00
Like, thank God you brought your sewing kit.
4
SPEAKER_00
Because imagine, like, you hadn t...
4
SPEAKER_00
needed it so desperately, you could ve forgotten it?
4
SPEAKER_01
I will never, I don t think I have it on me now, but I will never go anywhere without a sewing kit now.
4
SPEAKER_00
Ever again.
4
SPEAKER_00
You can t.
4
SPEAKER_01
No.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s impossible not to.
4
SPEAKER_00
It s impossible.
4
SPEAKER_01
So that was a horrible one.
4
SPEAKER_01
That was a really bad experience.
4
SPEAKER_01
But it turned out great.
4
SPEAKER_00
It turned out totally great.
4
SPEAKER_00
That same week, remember, one of our favorite looks that we ever did, which was that, you know, it was the Armani privé dress.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was the, you know, it was black.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was completely beaded all over.
4
SPEAKER_00
It had sort of an argyle.
4
SPEAKER_00
A thousand pounds.
4
SPEAKER_00
I was about to say, this is where the catastrophe strikes for this one.
4
SPEAKER_00
It looked fucking amazing.
4
SPEAKER_00
Where was the catastrophe?
4
SPEAKER_00
It was fully intact.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was
4
SPEAKER_00
90 pounds, Jared.
4
SPEAKER_00
You know what?
4
SPEAKER_00
Maybe this is my story to tell.
4
SPEAKER_00
Jared, okay, so this dress is unbelievable.
4
SPEAKER_00
It looks so good, but there s a few challenging elements to it.
4
SPEAKER_00
Number one, it was very much like a spaghetti strap sort of dress situation.
4
SPEAKER_00
The boobs were almost out.
4
SPEAKER_00
We had to tailor it so much to keep the boob in.
4
SPEAKER_00
The entire night, my boob was almost out.
4
SPEAKER_01
That was fun for me.
4
SPEAKER_00
That was so fun.
4
SPEAKER_00
I loved it.
4
SPEAKER_00
I was like, oh my God, Jared, I m about to absolutely have a boob fall out in front of Anna Wintour.
4
SPEAKER_00
And in heels, though.
4
SPEAKER_00
Also, this dress was 90 pounds.
4
SPEAKER_00
So heavy.
4
SPEAKER_00
Not only is it 90 pounds,
4
SPEAKER_01
90 pounds on a spaghetti strap.
4
SPEAKER_00
Exactly.
4
SPEAKER_00
So it s just digging into my fucking shoulders.
4
SPEAKER_00
Like we had to put concealer on my neck because my neck was like chafing and bloody because it was like, it was like so heavy.
4
SPEAKER_00
And not only that, but I had bleached eyebrows.
4
SPEAKER_00
That was actually the good part.
4
SPEAKER_01
That was the best part.
4
SPEAKER_01
That was an amazing part.
4
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I love that.
4
SPEAKER_01
We should do that again.
4
SPEAKER_00
But then whenever I would take my makeup off,
4
SPEAKER_00
It s like being in the hotel lobby, like after, everybody s like, oh my god, because I don t wear makeup that much and off-duty, you know, whatever.
4
SPEAKER_01
Off-duty no eyebrow is like, whoa, like what is wrong?
4
SPEAKER_00
It looks like full, like...
4
SPEAKER_00
Oh my god, that s a lot of tequila for her.
4
SPEAKER_00
It makes the dark circles come out.
4
SPEAKER_00
It makes the lips look extra pale.
4
SPEAKER_00
It literally looks like she ate recalled cantaloupe from the grocery store.
4
SPEAKER_01
She s only eating spoiled fish.
4
SPEAKER_00
She is severe food poisoning.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s very Voldemort.
4
SPEAKER_01
It s super Voldemort.
4
SPEAKER_01
Sometimes it s hot.
4
SPEAKER_01
I totally think it s hot.
4
SPEAKER_01
Sometimes it s not.
4
SPEAKER_01
True.
4
SPEAKER_01
But you will be doing bleached eyebrows.
4
SPEAKER_00
Totally.
4
SPEAKER_00
By the way, you sold me because the thing about bleached eyebrows is that it gives more room for the eyeshadow look.
4
SPEAKER_01
That s literally the only reason.
4
SPEAKER_01
And it s sick.
4
SPEAKER_00
It s so sick.
4
SPEAKER_00
You can bring the shadow all the way up.
4
SPEAKER_00
Also, I don t know, I feel like people are more intimidated by me with the bleach brow.
4
SPEAKER_00
They re like, oh, she s totally.
4
SPEAKER_01
Well, it s super scary because it s like, holy shit.
4
SPEAKER_01
What s wrong?
4
SPEAKER_01
Is she gonna stab me?
4
SPEAKER_01
Is she gonna hug me?
4
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
4
SPEAKER_01
Do I wanna fuck her?
4
SPEAKER_01
Do I wanna be her?
4
SPEAKER_01
What is this?
4
SPEAKER_01
Or should I just run away?
4
SPEAKER_00
No, everybody runs away.
4
SPEAKER_01
Wait, can I ask you a question?
4
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
4
SPEAKER_01
What s your favorite look?
4
SPEAKER_00
That we ve ever done.
4
SPEAKER_00
I have one that immediately comes to mind.
4
SPEAKER_01
What is it?
4
SPEAKER_00
It s the Margella look.
4
SPEAKER_01
Okay, yeah, that s a very solid one.
4
SPEAKER_00
I don t know why I love that so much.
4
SPEAKER_00
To paint a picture for you all, it was this white bodysuit with fishnet tights over it, white heels.
4
SPEAKER_01
With a sock.
4
SPEAKER_00
With a sock, which I always loved the sock.
4
SPEAKER_00
And ooh, I loved my second Met look though too.
4
SPEAKER_00
That was so good.
4
SPEAKER_00
Like the switch doing the blue gown.
4
SPEAKER_00
That was gorgeous.
4
SPEAKER_01
You re third.
4
SPEAKER_00
Third.
4
SPEAKER_01
You ve just gone too many times.
4
SPEAKER_01
My eighth Met look is my favorite.
4
SPEAKER_01
By the way, it s coming.
4
SPEAKER_00
It s coming, coming soon.
4
SPEAKER_00
No, I loved the blue and then I loved the black.
4
SPEAKER_00
I loved that we had two looks for the Met.
4
SPEAKER_00
One for the carpet, one for the interviews.
4
SPEAKER_01
Can I be honest about that one though?
4
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
4
SPEAKER_01
That one is one of the looks where I feel like we both, but I especially learned
4
SPEAKER_01
what works and what doesn t because that look in person was so good.
4
SPEAKER_00
It didn t translate as well.
4
SPEAKER_01
It didn t translate as well as it should have, which is, it s still, I thought you looked amazing, but in person and in videos specifically, you were a princess.
4
SPEAKER_00
The vibe of the look
4
SPEAKER_00
really did change on the red carpet and it did not, like that look for something more editorial, it would have had this different vibe.
4
SPEAKER_00
But it was still like, no regrets.
4
SPEAKER_01
I loved it.
4
SPEAKER_01
The two, but that was also your genius idea.
4
SPEAKER_01
You
4
SPEAKER_01
Well, they came, Miu Miu gave us two of the same things, which was so nice, and you were like, we can t not use these.
4
SPEAKER_00
Well, that s what it was.
4
SPEAKER_00
So we had two versions of the same.
4
SPEAKER_00
This is not sustainable.
4
SPEAKER_00
Well, they made two colors of the gown, one in black, one in pale blue, because they were like, we don t know what color you re gonna like better, but I was having a really hard time deciding which color I liked better, and I did decide, I was like, let s use both, let s use both, because I really don t wanna waste
4
SPEAKER_01
No.
4
SPEAKER_00
You know, I don t wanna waste one.
4
SPEAKER_00
Like it just would be such a shame.
4
SPEAKER_00
So that was so fun.
4
SPEAKER_01
That was great.
4
SPEAKER_00
I really loved the second look because it was like so fun to be at the Met but in this like casual ass outfit.
4
SPEAKER_00
Like I was wearing, it was like I was wearing a loafer heel.
4
SPEAKER_00
Literally.
4
SPEAKER_00
And like a quarter length skirt.
4
SPEAKER_01
It was very you.
4
SPEAKER_00
It was so me.
4
SPEAKER_00
But it was like still very, it still felt elevated enough.
4
SPEAKER_00
I mean it was definitely more approachable.
4
SPEAKER_00
But it was fun to,
4
SPEAKER_00
go casual mode, because years in the past it was like, oh my God, I m still wearing this very, very over the top, complicated gown while I m doing these interviews.
4
SPEAKER_00
And so it was nice to... Me, I haven t breathed in two hours just thinking about that.
5
SPEAKER_01
Two years.
5
SPEAKER_00
Two years, actually.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s been two years.
5
SPEAKER_00
Finally exhaling.
5
SPEAKER_00
I don t know.
5
SPEAKER_01
It s just like... Yeah, but that s valid stress.
5
SPEAKER_00
I know.
5
SPEAKER_00
We love it.
5
SPEAKER_00
We love it.
5
SPEAKER_00
We live for it.
5
SPEAKER_01
I actually do live for it.
5
SPEAKER_00
When it comes to being involved in fashion, I think it s crucial to appreciate it for what it is, appreciate the art that it is, while also understanding that it s a novelty.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_00
Do you think...
5
SPEAKER_00
fashion has a cultural impact that is significant, like deeply significant?
5
SPEAKER_00
And do you think it impacts society or do you think that it doesn t and that s okay?
5
SPEAKER_01
I think it has quite literally everything to do with what s happening in society.
5
SPEAKER_00
I mean, but what do you think comes first?
5
SPEAKER_00
Do you think
5
SPEAKER_00
fashion imitates life and society and the world and culture?
5
SPEAKER_00
Or do you think culture follows fashion?
5
SPEAKER_01
I mean, honestly, like, fashion has so much to do with how people are represented in society.
5
SPEAKER_01
There s just so many examples of fashion that have shaken culture.
5
SPEAKER_01
Miniskirt.
5
SPEAKER_01
No longer wearing corsets.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay, number one, my personal favorite, miniskirt.
5
SPEAKER_00
Jared loves...
5
SPEAKER_00
Oh my God, if you are what you love putting on your clients, you re a miniskirt.
5
SPEAKER_00
A miniskirt.
5
SPEAKER_01
By the way, I have a miniskirt for you to try after this.
5
SPEAKER_00
No way.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I ll explain.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m coming over.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay, great.
5
SPEAKER_01
Okay.
5
SPEAKER_01
I m not kidding.
5
SPEAKER_01
Love a miniskirt.
5
SPEAKER_01
And also, miniskirts, crazy revolutionary.
5
SPEAKER_01
That changed society.
5
SPEAKER_01
Women in the 19th century, 18th century were wearing, you were in full corsets and bloomers and gowns and ruffles.
5
SPEAKER_01
You were covered.
5
SPEAKER_01
in a way that s shocking if you actually think about it.
5
SPEAKER_01
To be in a t-shirt, even pants, is revolutionary.
5
SPEAKER_01
Women were not allowed to wear pants at a certain point.
5
SPEAKER_01
But I will say it is so influential, because our little sliver of time and what we currently wear is so different than even 50 years ago, which is so different than 50 years before that, and is so different than what it will be.
5
SPEAKER_01
in 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
5
SPEAKER_01
I think fashion has a deep connection to freedom and what is acceptable and what s allowed and rules and restrictions.
5
SPEAKER_01
So there s a lot of politics and culture.
5
SPEAKER_01
deeply embedded in fashion.
5
SPEAKER_01
I m curious about where you see yourself next fashion-wise.
5
SPEAKER_01
Because there are a couple eras that I remember you being like, this is the next phase.
5
SPEAKER_01
Like when you wanted to start doing minimalism, which was like maybe a year ago?
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_01
Maybe a little longer.
5
SPEAKER_01
You were like, trust me, it s minimalism.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_01
I was like, okay.
5
SPEAKER_01
And then we just started doing that.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_01
And then it was a thing.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_01
At least for us.
5
SPEAKER_01
Currently, super grunge, super goth.
5
SPEAKER_00
I know, oh my God, it s so funny, Jared.
5
SPEAKER_00
Oh my God, me?
5
SPEAKER_00
I feel like, remember when I, okay, so I wore that black dress.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yes.
5
SPEAKER_00
To the CFDA Awards, and it was this corseted black strapless dress, and I did a little Vogue interview on Instagram where I was like, I don t know, I ve just been in a more grungier phase, and all the comments were like,
5
SPEAKER_00
That is not, that is not grunge, you fucking liar.
5
SPEAKER_00
By the way, they were right.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m like, people, people, people.
5
SPEAKER_01
It s grunge to me.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m like, no, no, no.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m like, this is so polished and so proper, but it s a little bit.
5
SPEAKER_01
It was a little messy.
5
SPEAKER_00
There was a little teeny kiss of like a darker, grungier feeling to it.
5
SPEAKER_00
I think it s dark.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I think grungy wasn t the right word.
5
SPEAKER_00
I think you re feeling dark.
5
SPEAKER_00
Holy shit did the fashion kids get mad.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, you got slapped in the face, but it s fine.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s totally fine.
5
SPEAKER_00
But by the way, humble me.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, teach me.
5
SPEAKER_00
Teach me, love me.
5
SPEAKER_01
Touch me.
5
SPEAKER_00
So, okay, to answer your question, what my next phase is, because by the way, we would need to have this conversation anyway.
5
SPEAKER_01
We re just doing work.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, we re working right now.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, we re on the clock.
5
SPEAKER_00
This is a fucking meeting.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay, we re on the clock.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m in a really weird phase right now.
5
SPEAKER_00
I have a few things happening in my head.
5
SPEAKER_01
Talk to me.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay, number one, it s definitely vampire core for me.
5
SPEAKER_00
Explain but like not full vampire, but like I don t know, you know, I ve been loving like it s it s black white gray Yeah, it s silver jewelry.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like, you know, super like Suiting like silhouettes like yeah, you know like a little vest a little, you know My favorite black bag is like sort of almost a briefcase briefcase esque it s like wearing like a deep lip liner not covering my under-eye bags and
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like a little Wednesday out of the- Straight black hair, like my hair is really dark right now, it s like straight hair.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like, you know, square toe loafer, it s like a trench coat.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m there, but like weirdly something clicked a few weeks ago and I was like, no, I want to be a Parisian artist stereotype.
5
SPEAKER_01
And that is- I m kind of tapping into it right now.
5
SPEAKER_00
I was going to say that s this.
5
SPEAKER_00
Fully, like beret.
5
SPEAKER_00
Love a beret right now.
5
SPEAKER_01
Really?
5
SPEAKER_00
I ll get over it in about two days.
5
SPEAKER_01
Are you actually?
5
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
5
SPEAKER_01
I was just looking at a beret the other day and thinking, how horrible.
5
SPEAKER_00
No Jared, can I, can I?
5
SPEAKER_01
I ll show you, I ll show you the one and you re gonna understand.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay yeah, because well berets have to be very simple.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_00
But it also can t be like too like, oh this is a beret.
5
SPEAKER_00
If you wear
5
SPEAKER_00
in my opinion, if you wear a beret properly.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_01
How would you wear a beret?
5
SPEAKER_00
And it s like sitting like nicely, like kind of back on the head.
5
SPEAKER_00
Like it s more like just this little thing.
5
SPEAKER_00
It doesn t read as like French painter Halloween costume.
5
SPEAKER_00
It just reads as like this cute sort of more floppy thing that s happening.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yep.
5
SPEAKER_00
I have a pic of me in a beret that like fucking hits.
5
SPEAKER_00
Really?
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_00
But it has to be done right because you can t
5
SPEAKER_01
You can t fuck with a beret.
5
SPEAKER_00
primary colors.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like classic Kelly Green, the most classic red you ve ever seen, the most classic like denim blue.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like a perfect mustard yellow, like French s yellow mustard yellow.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like that s the palette.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like French artist vibe.
5
SPEAKER_00
That s another thing that s happening in my brain right now that I m loving.
5
SPEAKER_00
I love that.
5
SPEAKER_00
Okay, what do you want to see me wear next?
5
SPEAKER_00
What do you want my next era to be, fashion-wise?
5
SPEAKER_01
Your next era, fashion-wise?
5
SPEAKER_01
I mean, I love the dark.
5
SPEAKER_01
I think it would be fun to merge that and feminine a little bit because when you went to Gaultier, the all pink outfit, that mixed with
5
SPEAKER_01
Tom Brown or Acne, those looks that we did.
5
SPEAKER_01
Some merge between those two I would be obsessed with.
5
SPEAKER_01
Something that s like a little more feminine and fragile but like still really like dark.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, I love that.
5
SPEAKER_01
I would love that.
5
SPEAKER_00
That s also a very challenging balance and I tend to lean more
5
SPEAKER_00
I m always like, I am going full tuxedo right now.
5
SPEAKER_00
I definitely do tend to lean more towards masculine silhouettes.
5
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
5
SPEAKER_00
Like that s just who I am.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
5
SPEAKER_00
I also think that s my comfort zone.
5
SPEAKER_01
Well, I think it s like comfort zone, but for a reason.
5
SPEAKER_01
It works really well.
5
SPEAKER_00
It does work for me.
5
SPEAKER_00
It works for my personality, but also more than anything, it s more comfortable.
5
SPEAKER_00
So like at an event, I m like, I feel the rush because I m like,
5
SPEAKER_00
Cause I m like, I don t have these tiny little spaghetti straps digging into my neck and my boobs aren t out.
5
SPEAKER_00
But also like, that s a fucking vibe too.
5
SPEAKER_01
And I like that too.
5
SPEAKER_01
I have a mood board that I ll show you.
5
SPEAKER_01
Actually.
5
SPEAKER_00
Wait, I can t wait.
5
SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it s gonna be gorgeous.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s so amazing.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s so amazing.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s the best thing I ve ever seen.
5
SPEAKER_00
Jared, that one was so good.
5
SPEAKER_01
I haven t seen it.
5
SPEAKER_00
That was so good.
5
SPEAKER_01
I really like this high, high, high fashion editorial vibe for you that we ve been exploring more, but I think it would be fun to sort of merge a couple vibes.
5
SPEAKER_01
So it s not like this time we re going goth and this time we re going...
5
SPEAKER_01
Sure.
5
SPEAKER_01
You know what I mean?
5
SPEAKER_01
Sure.
5
SPEAKER_01
I think it maybe speaks to like your previous conversation about through lines and like maybe figuring out a way to make it feel like one girl, even if it s just for like... I love this.
5
SPEAKER_00
I m getting what you re saying.
5
SPEAKER_01
It s not making much sense, and it s not really that clear.
5
SPEAKER_00
No, but I get it, where it s like, okay, we re not so on the nose with a theme.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s not like, oh, we re going full vampire mode today, or like, oh, we re going full just freakazoid alien today.
5
SPEAKER_00
Totally.
5
SPEAKER_00
It s like, no, no, no.
5
SPEAKER_00
We re actually making something new.
5
SPEAKER_00
Yes.
5
SPEAKER_00
This is like, alien went to the supermarket, but whoa, why are her boobs out?
5
SPEAKER_00
But also, whoa, is that?
5
SPEAKER_00
She s so preppy.
5
SPEAKER_00
But also, she s so preppy.
5
SPEAKER_00
Hold on a minute, is that my mother?
5
SPEAKER_01
That is what I want.
5
SPEAKER_00
Right?
5
SPEAKER_00
Like something almost like giving a new feeling that still makes sense.
5
SPEAKER_00
That s an interesting challenge that I would love to do with you.
5
SPEAKER_01
And specifically I am really excited about like Princess Ian Goth.
5
SPEAKER_00
Love!
5
SPEAKER_00
We re so far apart.
6
SPEAKER_01
what we re seeing for the future.
6
SPEAKER_00
I m like, okay, so I m basically a French artist.
6
SPEAKER_00
I m Picasso.
6
SPEAKER_00
I m only wearing archived Picasso s clothes.
6
SPEAKER_00
I found them ultimately in the museum and I ultimately stole them.
6
SPEAKER_00
Now I m wearing them to Vanity Fair Oscar party.
6
SPEAKER_01
What do you think?
6
SPEAKER_00
Well, I m super drunk in the clothes.
6
SPEAKER_01
And it s a big problem.
6
SPEAKER_01
Okay, so we have a lot of different vibes to achieve.
6
SPEAKER_00
Yeah, but that s also what makes it fun.
6
SPEAKER_00
Because also, who knows what else is going to pop up in our brains on a random Tuesday in April.
6
SPEAKER_01
Totally.
6
SPEAKER_01
And there s a lot of time.
6
SPEAKER_00
And there s so much fricking time.
6
SPEAKER_00
I m trying to think if we have any other fun stories we leave them off with.
6
SPEAKER_01
There has to be one.
6
SPEAKER_01
I know.
6
SPEAKER_01
What s our final- There has to be one fun story.
6
SPEAKER_01
We haven t said anything.
6
SPEAKER_00
You cut my underwear out at the Met.
6
SPEAKER_00
That was a good one.
6
SPEAKER_00
You sewed my dress.
6
SPEAKER_00
We actually, no, we re done.
6
SPEAKER_01
Cool.
6
SPEAKER_00
We ll let it be.
6
SPEAKER_01
I m done.
6
SPEAKER_00
Because I have a lot of shit I have to tell you in the car, like I have life updates.
6
SPEAKER_01
That s totally true.
6
SPEAKER_01
I m actually sick of recording this because a lot of shit s going on.
6
SPEAKER_01
It s fine.
6
SPEAKER_01
Okay, let s go.
6
SPEAKER_00
Okay, yeah, let s leave.
6
SPEAKER_00
I love you, Jared.
6
SPEAKER_00
Thank you for coming on my show.
6
SPEAKER_01
I love you so much.
6
SPEAKER_01
Thank you for having me.
6
SPEAKER_00
You re my soulmate.
6
SPEAKER_01
You re mine.
6
SPEAKER_00
Okay, this is getting weird.