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Zach Sang Show!
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Hello there beautiful human.
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Happy Monday to you and to those you love.
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Another weekend behind us, a fresh week ahead.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Once on your radio, now everywhere on the internet.
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The Zach Sang Show is here live on the Amazon Music Twitch channel.
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Oh, wow.
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We got one goal.
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It s to make sure that you end your day right with a fairly decent group of people.
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How dare you?
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No, we re great.
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Hi, Cameron.
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Hi.
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Hi, Dan.
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Hey.
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You doing good today?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I can feel it.
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Kelsey, you good in the other room?
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Good.
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Are you good?
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Am I giving not good?
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I don t know.
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I don t know, man.
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I don t know.
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You had a really interesting day yesterday with your soccer team losing.
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You know, and I realized at a certain point I saw Kelsey s Instagram story.
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I was like, oh, is Kelsey on the field?
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No.
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Do you just rush, rush to the sidelines?
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Um, I just get there early really.
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And so I go to the front, but lately it s been a whole thing to get to the front and I ve had to like make friends with people so that I can sit in the front.
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Okay.
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Kelsey s a huge soccer fan.
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Was it a sold out game last night for Mother s Day?
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No, no, it wasn t.
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I was just saying they don t have any Saturday games this year, so it s just been, you know,
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Okay.
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I agree.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for being here Kelsey.
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I agree.
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Hi Jordan.
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How are you?
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Hi, I m good.
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Yeah, I can feel it.
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You look good today.
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Thanks so much.
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It s giving, um, it s giving retro.
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When people say you look good today, I m like, what are you saying about the other days?
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I know.
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Yeah, no, I get that like once every few months from Zach.
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It s really kind.
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Rude.
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It s incredibly rude.
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You know, I got glasses one time and went into work and somebody goes, you have new glasses.
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What do you think of them?
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And I m like, well, I like them, that s why I put them on my damn face.
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But now, I don t think you do.
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Somebody genuinely stared you in the eyes and said that?
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Yes.
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Oh, the audacity.
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That s crazy.
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It s giving Zach.
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I want to be more aware, but I was just saying like, today is like, I m very fixated on specifying the day sometimes.
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No, it s okay, but thank you.
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I know you like this shirt.
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It s good.
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We re twinning with the glasses.
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Yeah, it s a good look.
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We look good.
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It s nice.
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It s nice.
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How are you, Chad?
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Were you hanging out with us today?
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Where are you in the world?
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Well, me and Melissa22 is on a flight.
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I saw that she s using her Delta Wi-Fi for this.
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Did you pay for that?
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Delta s one of them cheap ones.
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They make you pay.
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I don t know, all of them.
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No, not JetBlue?
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Yeah, if you get first class.
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No.
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I ve had to pay every time I go on a plane.
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On JetBlue?
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I ve never flown JetBlue.
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Okay, that s your own problem.
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So you re telling me JetBlue gives out free Wi-Fi for all patrons?
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Yes, 100%.
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Including me, that sits in economy.
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JetBlue is a much better experience overall for everybody.
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Wow.
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Yes, you gotta try them out.
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Not getting paid for this whatsoever obviously I hate when people say that like this is not getting I m not getting paid for this But should I hate when people go like looking for that sponsorship like shut up.
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We would take a jet looking for that sponsorship Yeah, gently wants to sponsor us.
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We ll take it.
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What do you mean?
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Don t say that no we ain t hungry like that Yes, we are kidding me.
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You know I would like to offer our catalog to JetBlue to air on their flights Maybe in return for something we can do a bar.
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They already money.
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They already Baby flights
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You give us free flights, I ll give you our catalog to air in the sky.
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Do you know what you could get free flights with or get flights with?
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Money.
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Money.
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Yeah, but it s different.
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Like maybe there s, you know, maybe we work something bigger out.
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Like maybe there s a deeper collaboration here.
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Cause I m a big JetBlue guy.
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Kelsey, do I not plan all my trips around JetBlue?
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Yeah, it s JetBlue or bus really.
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I know Kelsey looks like the director cause she is, but she s also my assistant.
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Um, so it s really impressive what you got going on there.
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Thank you so much for your services.
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Of course, I can do it all.
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Many hats, one head.
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That s what I say.
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We got Nick in Scotland, Macy in Kansas City, Web 71 in the UK.
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Jep Flu flies to the UK and Scotland, just saying.
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Really?
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And Jep Flu, we don t want your money.
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Leave it at home.
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No, I want your flights.
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I think it s a deeper trade.
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No, it s not.
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It s so not.
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It s the opposite.
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But think about it, flights to them are actually nothing.
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But to us, they re so much.
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Like, what is the real cost of a chair?
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You re trying to convince me that money is bad, and it s not- I m not gonna accept that.
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Anyway.
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What is the real cost of a chair?
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You know, like, in the sky.
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Like, do you get what I m saying?
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Like, what does that actually cost them?
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I don t know, three or four hundred bucks, depending on what city you re flying to.
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No, but that s what they charge us.
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That s not what it costs them.
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I mean, I guess it s, yeah, labor fees for the flight attendants.
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Yeah, thank you.
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We re thinking about a very, very detailed... Jet fuel.
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Exactly.
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Also, my nickname growing up in softball was Jet Blue when I was on a blue team because my initials are Jet.
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Thank you so much for... So, Jet Blue, please sponsor me specifically.
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Thank you so much for sharing that, Jordan.
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What do you have to offer?
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Make some sort of comment about how Dan belongs on spirit By the way yesterday was Mother s Day, did you get your mom anything?
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That s such a great gift
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What d you get your mom, Zach?
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I send edible arrangements to my mom, my stepmom, and my sister, who is a mom.
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I have a nephew, his name is Jackson.
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He looks like me.
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He looks like me!
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That s really sweet of you, I gotta be honest though.
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Edible arrangements are one of those gifts from like, can you just not get it?
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Don t you dare say that!
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I love an edible arrangement!
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You do?
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Yes!
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That s what Dan gets for his birthday every year from his mom.
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My mom would use to send them to our studio every year on my birthday.
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Those things are delicious.
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They re amazing.
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Yeah, so is fruit just from the store.
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I m telling you the right pre-cut fruit is way better because again like whenever I cut fruit myself I feel like I m not getting the most out of the fruit.
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Yeah, and the fruit you cut at home isn t shaped like flowers.
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Yeah, it s so true.
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It doesn t say mom or mama.
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Who cares?
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It rots in the fridge after a day.
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Horrible gift.
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No, you eat it right away.
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Who the hell is stashing away an edible arrangement for more than like 12 to 18 hours max?
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Uh, I would say most people.
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That s not true.
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Not true.
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And you can get chocolate-covered strawberries and chocolate-covered bananas.
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Oh my god, what?
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I got chocolate-covered strawberries, and then pineapples that said mom on it, some grapes.
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You need to have the time to put that together.
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And then some balloons.
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Chocolate-covered strawberry.
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Holy crap.
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How can you hate on an edible arrangement?
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I hate it!
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I hate them.
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I always have.
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Cameron, I just, I feel you don t like good things.
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Is that, that s the statement you re, okay.
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It s a little bit deeper than just a word.
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Wait, so what s the right gift?
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What d you get your mother?
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I got her flowers.
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Oh, did you?
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Yeah, she could eat those.
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The right kind.
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No, I got her flowers.
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Can you show me a photo?
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I want proof.
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No.
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I need to show you proof.
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There s proof of my gifts, right Kelsey?
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I didn t see it, but my sister apparently posted about it.
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She did.
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She posted it on her Instagram story.
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I saw it.
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I didn t see it.
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It s very nice of you to get your sister something.
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Yeah, she s a mom.
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Yeah, that s nice.
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She s a mom.
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I always feel weird about getting somebody a Mother s Day gift who s not my mom.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah, but I m aware that she s a mom as like, you know, I m a nephew.
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Yeah, it was very kind of you.
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Godfather.
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Yeah.
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Child.
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I get it.
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Yeah.
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It s very nice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, Mother s Day.
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You got your sister something.
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I just saw the post.
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Yeah.
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Call yourself Uncle Zach.
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That s me.
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That s how you sign the card.
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I really want an edible arrangement now, though.
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I ve been making chocolate-covered strawberries at home.
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Hey, edible arrangement.
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Sponsor us.
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No, no, no.
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You know what?
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No, don t.
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We don t want any.
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No, no, don t.
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Don t do it.
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Here s the trade.
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Give us unlimited fruit baskets.
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We don t want your money.
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To be clear, we just want the fruit shaped like a flower.
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I don t know what s going on.
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All day today, I feel like my throat s been closing up.
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When are you gonna go to the doctor?
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Uh, you know, I ve been- I got a call from the doctor today.
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Yeah, what d he say?
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Who s this?
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No, I didn t answer.
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What do you mean you emailed the doctor?
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Yeah, that s how I make my appointments.
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I start with an email.
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You know what the doctor s gonna tell you, though.
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What?
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Lose weight?
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What?
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Oh, vaping.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I can t be vaping.
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Yeah.
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You wanna know a scary story?
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Yes.
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My friend was just admitted to the hospital and she s been in the- So my friend was just admitted to the hospital- That s a good pick up, can we cut that?
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Yeah.
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My friend was just admitted to the hospital and she s been there for two weeks and there s something with her lungs and her chest and they think it s from vaping too much.
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Okay, interesting.
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So is this the friend that tried to quit vaping?
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No, that s another friend and the story about our other friend scared her into quitting.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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So now I got a friend in the hospital because of vaping and a friend who has now quit vaping because of the friend who went to the hospital.
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I am done vaping.
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No, you re not.
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I have to be.
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Dude, my throat feels like it s closing up.
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I don t know what s going on.
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Yeah.
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I felt it last week, but when I was vaping, I went the weekend without vaping.
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Well you think about vaping, vaping has not been around long enough to really know the damage of like 20, 30, 40 years from now.
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Yeah, we ll figure it out later.
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No, you know nothing!
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I gotta get rid of it.
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You re a guinea pig, you re a guinea pig.
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No, you gotta keep going.
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We gotta know what s gonna happen in 20 years.
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You gotta help the people.
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Yeah, you gotta help the future kids.
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I don t wanna be a part of this!
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Do you wanna help America and the world?
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No!
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Okay, well then quit.
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Not right now.
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This is not my time and it s not through the vessel of vaping.
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Never would ve labeled you a quitter.
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I am a patriot and I m not a quitter.
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But this type of quitter is necessary, Jordan, right?
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Yes?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I quit regular vapes.
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Oh.
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Bravo.
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You did?
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Yeah.
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Congratulations.
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What was your flavor of choice?
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I was actually vaping back when puffs were all the rage so I don t even know if any of those flavors still exist but like lychee ice and type I ve heard of that before.
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It doesn t seem like anybody really does that anymore.
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I feel like Kelsey would love it if I stopped vaping.
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Didn t they make them like illegal though?
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You can t get them.
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When I used to go with my friend to the smoke shop to get them, they had to like go in the back and do a secret deal because they can t have them out in the front.
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No, it s true.
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My friend Craigler Guy bought jewels in bulk.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah, dude.
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Jewel pods are hard to come by.
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He s got a jewels in bulk guy?
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Yeah, dude.
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He s got a guy if you need a guy.
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I think it s Wintermind.
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Do you meet him in the back of a Kmart or something?
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You know, it s a normal smoke shop, but he does go to the back to get the stock.
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Exactly.
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And I just wonder, like, where are they from?
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And apparently they re leftover.
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But eventually they re gonna run out, and then they re just gonna be making fake, you know, leftover Juul pods.
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And then one of them s gonna kill somebody, and then, you know...
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They probably sell them at Panera.
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They sell whiskey things.
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Yeah, right next to the charged lemonade.
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Yeah.
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It s safe for role models to be here.
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If you got questions for them, leave it in the chat.
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A lot of people are excited in the chat.
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Nish is excited.
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Zoe s excited.
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Oh, by the way, update from me and Melissa.
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The Delta Wi-Fi is not working well.
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Oh, honestly, I look the best glitchy.
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So this is good for the both of us.
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I probably look very thin when it s very pixelated.
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The more you feel like you need to focus with your eyes, the better it is for me.
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Me and Melissa says she s somewhere over Oklahoma, she believes.
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I wonder where she s going.
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Shout out OKC.
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Yeah, we ll wait.
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You know, we re on the radio in Hooker, Oklahoma.
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Hooker, Oklahoma?
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Yes.
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Hooker, Oklahoma is on the border of Oklahoma and Iowa.
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Damn you know I gotta be I gotta say something We do have like a bunch of news to get to you and stuff like we should talk about music stuff And a bunch of pop culture stuff because that s really why we re here.
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I always start with what s on my mind first I ve turned into a pool person
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I never thought I d reach this stage in life.
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You gotta understand.
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I don t like taking my shirt off.
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You know, I don t look great.
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Not yet.
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It s coming.
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Wait.
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On the way.
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But I become a pool person as I become comfortable with my boyfriend.
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So I go in the pool, like, every day.
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Wow.
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First time going, like, being in a pool, really, in years.
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You don t seem like you would be a pool person at all.
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Nah, dude.
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When I used to go to these parties, like, growing up, I d go and not go in.
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Like, I don t think I ve- I did that too.
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Even when I was going in pools, I was wearing, like, the rash guards.
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Yeah.
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Those stupid water shirts.
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Looking like a fool.
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Yeah.
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Do you do that now?
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No.
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Look at you.
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No.
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I mostly skinny dip, to be honest.
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Whoa.
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You go in no pants?
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Whoa!
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Yeah, when it s just me and my boyfriend, yeah.
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Wow.
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I ve been to your house.
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SPEAKER_03
That fence is not tall.
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SPEAKER_03
Be careful.
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We could have some dog walkers going by, seeing a show.
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That is like, it is pretty hype, but it is a thought that pops into our head.
1
SPEAKER_01
You guys skinny dip together?
1
SPEAKER_03
Boyfriend wear pants, and you re like I m going balls.
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Oh We want to flow in that moment as there s freedom what if Kelsey walks in oh
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That s never stopped him before.
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SPEAKER_03
Are you kidding me?
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No, we usually do it, you know, in off hours.
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You know, at night.
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Early morning.
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SPEAKER_02
But anyway, I ve become a pool person.
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I feel like I m making up for lost time.
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Because there s so much in my childhood traumas attached to pools.
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So now I m constantly in them.
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SPEAKER_02
And now I m just like, you know what I m saying?
1
SPEAKER_02
Totally.
1
SPEAKER_02
You missed out on all those years of swimming.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, I m fixing my past.
1
SPEAKER_02
Healing traumas in the water.
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SPEAKER_03
I was the same way when I was a kid.
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SPEAKER_03
Hated it.
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SPEAKER_03
Really?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
And then the switch flips sometime in my adulthood.
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SPEAKER_02
See, maybe it s being comfortable.
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SPEAKER_03
I think it s less being comfortable and more not caring.
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SPEAKER_02
You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know.
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SPEAKER_02
I still care.
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Like, I think I d care if, like, there were other people around.
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SPEAKER_02
You get what I m saying?
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SPEAKER_02
But I m comfortable around this one person, so I feel like I m making up for lost time.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
It s interesting.
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SPEAKER_02
Pools are interesting.
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SPEAKER_02
Are you a pool person or nah?
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SPEAKER_02
I do also believe that like, you know, anybody with a pool growing up was like the cool person in the neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, 100%.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, but growing up with a pool, like, pools are boring now.
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SPEAKER_01
Because you just had it your whole life and it was always back there.
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SPEAKER_02
And again, I m making up for lost time, and I feel like I m doing this in so many areas of my life.
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It s wild.
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SPEAKER_02
What else?
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know.
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SPEAKER_02
I ll come in tomorrow with something new.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, make a list.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, I ll work on it.
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Okay.
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SPEAKER_02
Actually, we re not here tomorrow, right?
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We re not.
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It s a super weird schedule this week on Amazon Music.
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The podcast and the interviews continue to roll out that we re on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts, Zach Sang Show.
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Woo!
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Search it, subscribe, please, I beg you.
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Because we do have a lot of great guests this week, right?
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SPEAKER_02
And we have a lot of amazing guests on the way.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, there s a ton of people on the calendar.
1
SPEAKER_02
Dude, I was peeking at our calendar today.
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SPEAKER_02
It s wild.
1
SPEAKER_02
It s insane.
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SPEAKER_02
You have no idea and I keep hearing like secrets of other people.
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SPEAKER_02
A lot of code names being dropped on like the record label side.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Of people who are coming in.
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SPEAKER_02
Who?
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know.
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SPEAKER_02
I m not hearing this.
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SPEAKER_02
I got a hint the other day from a record label.
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SPEAKER_02
I had a dinner and they only gave me their codename and I couldn t decipher it.
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SPEAKER_02
The codename, Schmilly Schmilish.
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SPEAKER_02
No, it wasn t that.
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SPEAKER_02
No?
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SPEAKER_02
No.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t want to share the codename, but it started with a D. Dan?
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SPEAKER_02
Am I coming?
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SPEAKER_03
Let s call it, you know what, for sake of transparency, let s call it Codename Dan.
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SPEAKER_01
Why do record labels use codenames for their own artists?
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SPEAKER_01
Do they not want, like, the restaurant to hear who they re talking about?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, but breaking news, everybody- No, it s internally they use a codename.
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SPEAKER_02
Everybody uses codenames for everything all the time.
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SPEAKER_02
Even where we work, we use codenames.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, because what we do really matters.
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SPEAKER_03
It does.
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SPEAKER_02
You know what really matters?
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The health and safety of Steve Buscemi, an actor, a legend, an icon, still living as of today, right?
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SPEAKER_02
He s okay, kind of?
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SPEAKER_02
He is okay.
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SPEAKER_02
He is alive.
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SPEAKER_02
He was punched on a New York City street the other day.
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SPEAKER_02
I think he was walking along Third Avenue.
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SPEAKER_02
A man in a blue spandex-looking shirt just abruptly and randomly sucker punched him.
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SPEAKER_02
Correct, Jordan?
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SPEAKER_00
That s correct.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, he was in Kipp s Bay.
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SPEAKER_02
And this is like a string of many random attacks that happen all over New York City each and every day.
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SPEAKER_03
The only reason this one s a headline is because it was Steve.
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SPEAKER_03
This happens constantly.
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SPEAKER_02
And by the way, this also happened to Rick Moranis like a year and a half ago or something.
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SPEAKER_02
Did it really?
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SPEAKER_02
He was also sucker punched.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t know what it s about, like those guys, but... Was it on the subway or was it just like... No, just like he s walking.
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SPEAKER_02
Right in broad daylight, 11.50 a.m.
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SPEAKER_02
And yeah, just punched in the face.
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Because you hear about the subway stories a lot.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, a lot of stuff happens underground.
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SPEAKER_02
By the way, I m from New Jersey.
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SPEAKER_02
We spent many years in New York City, right, Dan?
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SPEAKER_01
Yes, we did.
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But it s scarier today than it was back then, I feel.
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SPEAKER_01
We never feared like this.
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SPEAKER_01
None of this stuff was happening when we were there.
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SPEAKER_02
No, we were never having conversations.
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SPEAKER_02
I mean, we would walk around New York City every day.
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SPEAKER_02
People were just talking about pizza and stuff.
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SPEAKER_02
For real, though.
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SPEAKER_02
No, weather was a big conversation.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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It s pretty wild.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, New York City is something else.
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SPEAKER_02
I miss it, though.
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SPEAKER_01
What s the point of just sucker punching someone?
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SPEAKER_01
Like at least if you rob a bank there s a reward, you get some money.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_01
If you re sucker punching someone, you don t get anything out of it.
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SPEAKER_01
I think you re clearly mentally unstable if you re doing that.
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100%.
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100%.
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Go rob more banks.
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Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, Dan, that s good advice, man.
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SPEAKER_03
Onto the mentally unstable.
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And for the record, that was the opinion of Codename Dan, not this accident.
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SPEAKER_01
At all.
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SPEAKER_01
No, but really, I don t understand.
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SPEAKER_01
What s the sucker punch thing?
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SPEAKER_01
It s been going on for a while now.
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SPEAKER_01
What s the point?
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SPEAKER_01
What are people getting out of it?
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SPEAKER_03
Yeah, I don t know.
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SPEAKER_01
Why?
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SPEAKER_03
I don t think there is a reason.
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SPEAKER_01
Is it just punching people for no reason?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01
It s really sad, man.
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Doing something to do something.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, it s attached to severe mental health.
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SPEAKER_02
And probably a string of a bunch of stuff.
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SPEAKER_02
Poverty and lots happening in New York City.
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SPEAKER_01
They should get that fixed.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
You know what they did, though?
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SPEAKER_00
They fixed- They should totally fix poverty.
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SPEAKER_01
I mean, that s a larger conversation.
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SPEAKER_01
No, not the poverty.
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SPEAKER_01
Well, they should fix that, but I m talking about the sucker punching.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02
They should fix that, too.
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SPEAKER_02
And world hunger.
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SPEAKER_01
And what?
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SPEAKER_03
And world hunger.
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SPEAKER_02
It s all connected, really, if you want to look at it through that lens.
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SPEAKER_02
I don t actually like it.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, got it.
1
SPEAKER_02
Anyway, new judges coming to The Voice, Michael Buble and Snoop Dogg.
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SPEAKER_03
I love this.
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SPEAKER_03
I love that Snoop Dogg is going to be a judge on The Voice.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, Snoop Dogg.
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SPEAKER_02
I think it s great.
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SPEAKER_02
And Michael Buble, two incredible human beings.
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SPEAKER_02
So wait, they re not going to be, wait, they are going to be coaches.
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SPEAKER_02
That s amazing.
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SPEAKER_03
They re going to be coaches.
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SPEAKER_03
They re not judges.
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SPEAKER_03
They re not judges?
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SPEAKER_00
Isn t that the same thing?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, the coaches
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Are the judges.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, you re right.
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SPEAKER_02
You re right.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh my god.
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SPEAKER_04
There s there s the coach There s the coach slash judges and then there s like the music.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, I got that day.
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SPEAKER_02
That s it I got that totally confused and yeah, they re gonna be the judges also known as coaches sitting in those red chairs and they re joining Reba and they re joining Gwen Stefani
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SPEAKER_04
I can t wait to watch.
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SPEAKER_04
I don t really watch The Voice, but Snoop Dogg will get me to watch.
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SPEAKER_02
The Voice is actually my favorite singing competition show, so I m sorry that I messed that up.
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SPEAKER_02
But genuinely, I know that there s never been a star created from this show, but I m telling you, long-term, we will see people, and we have seen people go on to be really great stars.
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SPEAKER_02
Cassidy Pope, just one of the random people popping into my brain.
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SPEAKER_02
This is one of the best shows.
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SPEAKER_02
And the personality of the judges really comes through.
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SPEAKER_02
So Snoop s gonna shine.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, I think so.
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SPEAKER_02
Michael Buble too.
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SPEAKER_02
He s amazing.
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SPEAKER_02
He s a good one.
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SPEAKER_02
You gotta watch him on Kath & Kim.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
It s an Australian sitcom.
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SPEAKER_00
They re singing competition shows, but I think that s the problem with them is they re all about the judges.
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SPEAKER_00
They re not about actually making stars.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, I mean, I see what you re saying.
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, because when it first came out, nobody really knew who Simon Cowell was and Randy Jackson.
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SPEAKER_00
They weren t the biggest stars in the world.
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SPEAKER_00
Right.
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SPEAKER_00
Now it s all about who are the most famous people we can get and stick them up there and make it fun and funny, which is great for television, but not for the people competing.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, but I also think times have really changed.
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SPEAKER_02
We can talk about this all day, but less eyes are watching television than ever before, right?
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SPEAKER_02
And yes, people are streaming things, but dude, we don t have focused eyes like that.
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SPEAKER_02
Do you get what I m saying?
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SPEAKER_02
There used to be like very, very focused streamlined channels where to go to consume culture, to consume music, how to promote someone.
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SPEAKER_02
It was very much levers that like you really understood.
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SPEAKER_02
Today there s just a lot of gray, you know?
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SPEAKER_02
And it s a totally different path to creating a superstar off the back of anything or without anything.
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SPEAKER_02
Mm-hmm, and I do think that the voice has a great platform.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, and has created some amazing talent and but what I think we ll see again, like I said, it s like over time those artists who maybe didn t win but In the case of Cassidy Pope one, but like we ll have careers over time not because of the show but because they are talented and the show was a part of their experience and
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SPEAKER_00
I think the last successful person from a singing competition show that made it real big is Benson Boone, but he left.
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SPEAKER_00
He said, I don t need this.
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SPEAKER_00
That s the last one that I know of.
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SPEAKER_02
It s a different landscape today than ever before.
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SPEAKER_04
But I also wish that some of these shows would choose actual nobodies.
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SPEAKER_04
Because now, a lot of times, when they cast for even singing competitions, they look at like, oh, how many people does this guy have on TikTok already?
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SPEAKER_04
Totally.
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SPEAKER_04
That s where they really- Because it draws audience to watch the show.
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SPEAKER_04
Well, it s where they scout most talent.
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SPEAKER_04
That kind of sucks.
2
SPEAKER_04
I wish they would just pull people out of a bar.
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SPEAKER_02
You gotta understand, like, me too.
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SPEAKER_02
Imagine a singing competition show where that happens.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, baby.
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SPEAKER_02
I think it d be really cool.
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SPEAKER_02
But genuinely, what ends up happening is people are just found over the social media.
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SPEAKER_02
They re scouted by producers and the auditions are planted.
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SPEAKER_02
Nobody s seeking these shows out these days.
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SPEAKER_02
It s totally different.
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SPEAKER_02
Totally different.
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SPEAKER_02
Totally different.
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SPEAKER_02
Hey, Kelsey, how you doing?
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SPEAKER_01
I m doing good.
2
SPEAKER_02
I heard you were really excited about something that s happening tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_01
What s happening tomorrow?
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SPEAKER_02
You tell us.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, there s a movie coming to Netflix.
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SPEAKER_01
I do know what s happening tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_01
I m so sorry.
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SPEAKER_01
I don t know why I blinked.
2
SPEAKER_01
What kind of fake fan are you?
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SPEAKER_01
Oh my gosh, not a fake fan.
2
SPEAKER_01
Guys, the greatest movie of all time, Madam Web, is dropping on Netflix tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_02
Can you tell me why it s the greatest movie of all time, please?
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SPEAKER_01
Because it s terrible.
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SPEAKER_01
That s why it s the greatest movie of all time.
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SPEAKER_04
I truly cannot wait to rewatch it.
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SPEAKER_04
It s so bad.
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SPEAKER_04
I ve never seen it.
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SPEAKER_04
It is horrifying.
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SPEAKER_00
It s so bad.
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SPEAKER_00
What s bad about it?
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SPEAKER_00
Just like no storyline?
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SPEAKER_00
Is the acting bad?
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SPEAKER_04
There s so many things.
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SPEAKER_04
The writing is horrible.
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SPEAKER_04
They clearly did not capture the things they needed to capture because like the villain, every line he says, you just see the back of his head.
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SPEAKER_04
They didn t really fix that.
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SPEAKER_04
They were just like, this is what we have.
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SPEAKER_04
Because they had to like, either the audio captured on site was bad or they changed what he said.
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SPEAKER_04
And so they cut away from him when he s talking.
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SPEAKER_04
It s like, the special effects are horrendous.
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SPEAKER_04
It literally feels like, Dan, if I went and shot a movie and was like, Dan, person who has zero experience with this, would you please edit this feature film?
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SPEAKER_04
You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_04
Did I capture that correctly, Kelsey?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, you ve got it right on the money.
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SPEAKER_01
It s just,
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SPEAKER_01
Every aspect of it seems like something went wrong.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, it s it s a rough one, but it s so bad that it s entertaining.
2
SPEAKER_02
Speaking of movies, what do you think the perfect line for a movie is?
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SPEAKER_02
Kelsey is our resident movie pro known as Soul Surfer.
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SPEAKER_02
What s your name on Letterboxd?
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SPEAKER_01
A pretend surfer.
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SPEAKER_02
A pretend surfer.
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SPEAKER_02
What s the perfect line for a movie?
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SPEAKER_01
I am a big fan of the 90 minute romp.
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SPEAKER_04
I would say an hour 40.
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SPEAKER_04
What does that romp mean?
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SPEAKER_01
Like a fun time, like, you know, like a party, like a romp.
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SPEAKER_02
No, I ve never heard that.
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SPEAKER_02
A romp?
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SPEAKER_02
I ve never said, like, let s go to a romp.
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SPEAKER_02
You romping tonight?
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SPEAKER_02
I m gonna use it now.
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SPEAKER_02
I mean, can somebody Google that?
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SPEAKER_04
R-O-M-P?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, can somebody give me an official, no offense.
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, R-O-M-P.
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SPEAKER_04
Can you search for that on the dark web, Dan?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, like what is that?
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SPEAKER_02
I don t want to know.
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SPEAKER_00
Let s do it.
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SPEAKER_00
An instance of sexual activity between two or more people that is entered into lightheartedly.
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SPEAKER_01
That is not what I am reading on Google with one minute.
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SPEAKER_02
Kelsey, that s inappropriate.
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SPEAKER_02
Wow.
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SPEAKER_02
Here, right now, while we re about to have role model in the studio?
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SPEAKER_02
That s crazy.
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SPEAKER_03
That s what I knew it as.
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SPEAKER_02
It s not a party.
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SPEAKER_03
What the hell?
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SPEAKER_03
By the way, my screen doesn t work.
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SPEAKER_03
My screen stopped working too.
2
SPEAKER_03
It just stopped.
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SPEAKER_01
You guys are trying to peg me as a liar.
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SPEAKER_02
I mean, you re the one giving sexual deviant energy.
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SPEAKER_02
That s pretty weird.
2
SPEAKER_01
It says... What does it say?
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SPEAKER_01
It says it s a verb.
2
SPEAKER_04
In case you re just tuning into Amazon Music on Twitch, we ve Googled romp.
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SPEAKER_00
Scroll down to where it says, people also ask and click, what does romp mean in slang?
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SPEAKER_00
That s where I got my definition.
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SPEAKER_00
No, I don t want to do that.
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SPEAKER_00
We ll look at that later.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay, but what is the official definition?
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SPEAKER_02
I still haven t got an answer, so I m just going to go with what I got.
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SPEAKER_00
Play roughly and energetically.
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SPEAKER_02
Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_02
Play roughly and energetically.
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SPEAKER_02
A romp.
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SPEAKER_02
Okay.
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SPEAKER_02
Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01
It also says especially of a child or animal.
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SPEAKER_01
Like, it s not what you re trying to make it seem.
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SPEAKER_02
You freak.
2
SPEAKER_02
Anyway, there s a new poll that s revealed how long audiences believe films should be.
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SPEAKER_02
Hour 40.
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SPEAKER_02
Chat, how long do you think it should be?
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SPEAKER_02
Go.
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SPEAKER_02
Perfect movie length is how long?
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SPEAKER_04
Dan?
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SPEAKER_04
I don t know, ten minutes?
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SPEAKER_04
Ten minutes?
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SPEAKER_00
I love a ten minute movie.
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SPEAKER_04
Dan s watched four movies in his whole life.
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SPEAKER_04
They should make ten minute versions of all movies for people like Dan.
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SPEAKER_00
It s called a trailer.
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SPEAKER_02
True.
2
SPEAKER_02
In middle school I didn t read many of the books, I just used the Sparknotes, you know?
2
SPEAKER_02
Yeah, the Cliffnotes?
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SPEAKER_02
Yeah, Cliffnotes, same thing.
2
SPEAKER_02
Jordan, how long is the perfect length for a movie?
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SPEAKER_05
If I really like what it s about, like four hours, if it s something I don t want to watch, then like 20 minutes.
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SPEAKER_03
Four hours?!
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SPEAKER_05
That s crazy!
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SPEAKER_05
I personally, I heard that the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, there s a four hour cut of it somewhere and I would love to see it.
2
SPEAKER_04
What s that again?
2
SPEAKER_04
Hunger Games?
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SPEAKER_04
Hunger Games.
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SPEAKER_04
I didn t know you liked that.
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SPEAKER_04
Yeah, she doesn t mention it four times a day.
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SPEAKER_04
I still haven t watched it, and I really need to.
2
SPEAKER_02
By the way, speaking of Hunger Games, anyone see Haley Bailey get canceled on TikTok?
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SPEAKER_02
No, what d she do?
2
SPEAKER_02
She said she had a Met Gala look.
2
SPEAKER_02
She even attended the Met Gala, but she looked great to stand at a hotel.
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SPEAKER_04
It s so weird.
2
SPEAKER_04
What does that mean?
2
SPEAKER_04
Oh, hang on.
2
SPEAKER_04
She had a Met Gala look, but she didn t attend the Met Gala.
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SPEAKER_04
She s like doing coverage at a hotel, I guess.
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I think she went with TikTok, but they, I don t think she like actually went to the event.
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Yeah.
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But they dressed her for it.
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Yeah, whatever that means.
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And she did a TikTok for it where she said, let them eat cake, which is a terrible thing to say these days.
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It s like, you know, historical reference.
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I have a controversial opinion on this whole situation.
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Okay, well, let s finish with the movie conversation.
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Okay, okay, but I would love to dive into that.
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We will in a second.
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There s just a lot going on on the internet, but also a lot happening in movie length.
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Chad, how long do you think the perfect movie is?
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Boring Susan says two hours.
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Okay, okay.
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Lolz Allison says 90 minutes.
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Ghost in an hour 30, hour 45, 100 minutes max.
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I say 90 minutes.
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I say 100 minutes.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Well, after pulling 2,000 Americans, researchers concluded that the perfect movie length is 92 minutes.
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92, okay.
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Yeah.
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That sounds about right.
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There s a lot of three-hour movies nowadays.
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Too much.
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Too long.
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Somebody asked me if I want to watch Challengers this weekend, and I said no, but I still googled how long it was, and it was two hours and 11 minutes, and I said that s too long.
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That s a little too long.
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Yeah.
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I want to see it.
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Apparently it s really good.
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So good.
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It ended though.
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And I was like, wait, that s it.
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That s that s the end.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Soul Surfer.
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Do you have a letter box for that one?
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Pretend surfer.
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And yes, I do.
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I pulled it right now.
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She says it s a real romp.
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We ll get into your movie review in a sec.
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Plus, we have role model here.
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And now Jordan with the
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controversial opinion.
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Haley Bailey being canceled on TikTok over the weekend for this Let Them Eat Cake moment.
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So I think it s more of a hot take than a controversial opinion.
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But basically she dressed as Marie Antoinette.
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That was her costume theme.
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And I think that goes with the Mechalas overall theme of the Garden of Time because that story is literally like
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has parallels to the French Revolution where the rich people are in one place and the mob of the poor people are coming to tear down this beautiful garden.
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So she took that theme and thought, what kind of correlates Marie Antoinette?
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What sound do I use for a Marie Antoinette TikTok?
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Oh, from the Marie Antoinette movie where she goes, let them eat cake.
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Makes sense.
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So logical.
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I don t think she had any ill intention.
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Did you watch her apology?
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Because she literally said she had no historical reference for any of it, didn t she?
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Okay, well, I didn t see that part.
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I just, I was like, this is ridiculous that people are hating on her so much for something that like, I understand how this all happened.
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Like, I understand how everything snowballed into what it became.
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And, like, I was already thinking of Marie Antoinette with this Met Gala theme.
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Like, she is not the first person to make this reference.
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Wasn t it already, like, a trending sound, too?
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And she was just, like, one of 150,000 people that used it?
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Yes, exactly.
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I think it s just, like, a little... People are kind of taking this overboard.
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Well, I also think people are tired.
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I think there s a lot of stuff going on in the world.
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I think people are like sick and tired of like the lack of awareness, the lack of understanding of the plight of the normal average human, the genuine issues that face and cripple our world today.
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I mean, the whole thing.
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And by the way, I think that s like most of pop culture, by the way, is like severe lack of awareness, severe in a bubble.
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You know, I have a question.
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What was the quote?
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Let them eat cake.
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Yeah.
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If you took that quote and went outside and asked a thousand people, is this offensive?
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99.9 would say no, it s not true.
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Yes, it is.
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That s not true.
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Then maybe they lack historical understanding and knowledge because it is offensive.
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I m okay.
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And I think a lot of people may be learning that, but I would say if you ask a majority of people and you would say, is this offensive?
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Let them eat cake.
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They d be like, no.
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I think if we put this on TikTok, I think you ll find out really quickly.
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Yeah, of course.
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There s people watching from District 12 that find it very offensive.
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Well, I see what you re saying, Dan, but I do think this one a pretty good amount of people are aware of.
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But that is the case in some of these circumstances.
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Sometimes they genuinely don t know, but it s, I think, the response of finding out and how they handle that.
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That s where the judgment comes in.
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Also, yeah, if we put on TikTok, we re gonna get hate because people are gonna jump in and join in like they know what they re talking about.
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And one person s gonna get offended, so then everybody else is gonna be offended.
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They don t know why they re offended.
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Damn, if you Google it, you ll very easily understand a word.
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If you Google it, thank you.
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You can tell it to anybody who doesn t know.
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If you Google it.
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Okay.
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I think most people know that line is, like, from Marie Antoinette, and it s about, like, her lack of awareness before the French Revolution.
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Right.
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You know?
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You went to college.
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Yeah, I don t think most people would just know that if you just ask them.
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People that like took ninth grade history usually do.
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Did you take that?
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I don t think I took that one.
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I skipped that grade.
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Let s head on over to the Vibersonic control room where we will find our resident movie pro.
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Pretend surfer, Kelsey.
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She s our modern day Ebert and Roper.
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That s their names, right?
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Why do you always look at me when you say that?
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Because I don t know their names and probably nobody in the chat knows their names either because they re old.
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Anyway, she s our movie critic.
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You went to go see Challengers over the weekend, what d you think?
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I ve read you this review before.
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Oh, did she?
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100%.
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Oh my God, didn t the movie come out this weekend?
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No, it s been out for like a year.
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Oh, don t read it to me.
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But you know what I did see?
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What d you see?
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The Fall Guy.
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That s a good one, isn t it?
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I loved it.
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I was shocked by how much I loved it.
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Wait, give me your review, because I ve been trying to get my boyfriend to see this.
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Okay, I gave it four stars, and I liked it.
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And I said,
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I would hope so.
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I can t believe I forgot your challenges review.
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I m so sorry.
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It s okay.
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I ll get over it one day.
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I said, this was so cute and so much fun.
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Yes, it s filled with tropes, but it feels like the point.
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It s an ode to movies and all the people who make them, especially the stunt men.
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It is actually so much more of a rom-com than I was expecting.
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I think there s something for everyone here.
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And that s it.
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I agree.
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It was really fun.
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Emily Blunt is great in it.
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Ryan Gosling, obviously.
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My boyfriend and I were going to go see it in an outdoor movie theater, like one of those drive-ins.
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I ve never done that before.
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It s more of a fun idea than it is in actuality.
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Yeah?
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It s not practical?
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Not super practical.
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That s disappointing.
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It s enjoyable to an extent in like 30 minutes and you re like, I m in a car.
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I like a romantic moment, you know what I mean?
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Just in general?
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Well, you know, those are romantic, right?
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Like you see those in movies.
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Yeah, but again, you re like, you re sitting kind of far away from the person that you re there with.
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And do you like, um, do they actually still give you speakers in your car?
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No.
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Oh.
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No.
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No!
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If the movie sucks, can you just drive home?
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Not if you re blocked in, no.
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That sucks.
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Damn.
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Sometimes you re blocked in.
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No, you tune in your thing to like an FM.
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Oh!
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Yeah.
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That s cool.
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Or there s an app.
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A radio dial?
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Mm-hmm.
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Do they bring speakers to your car or something?
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I don t know.
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Does a service man come by and fill your gas can while you re there?
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Give me a cold coke.
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Mix me a fresh one.
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Oh, this is fun.
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We got to get our guy in here though, don t we?
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Who s our guy?
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The one and only Tucker Pillsbury.
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Very excited to have Role Model on the show today.
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By the way, it is a very interesting conversation.
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He has a lot on his mind.
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He has an album on the way.
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It s called Kansas.
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We re going to talk all about it.
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Plus, he s had a lot of stuff going on in his life, to say the least.
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Shall we get into it?
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Let s do it.
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It s the Zach Sang Show.
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Hi, beautiful human.
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I m Zach.
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That s Dana.
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Welcome to the studio back again.
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Role Model, also known as Duck.
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Hello.
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So many cameras now.
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Yeah, just don t look at it.
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Upgraded.
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The security to get in this place?
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A little ridiculous.
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I m sorry.
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No, it s beautiful.
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It s amazing.
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Well, the next time you come, it s going to be different again.
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We re going to be redoing this entire room.
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And then like nobody else will be in the room.
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No offense to the people standing here.
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that wear black to blend in with the wall.
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Yeah, it s amazing.
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But still looks cool.
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It s like a leather.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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She pulls it.
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They make it work.
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They make it work.
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It works.
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But we re gonna redo it.
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It s gonna be different again.
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But thank you for being here.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thank you for having me.
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Always.
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You have a lot going on in your life.
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I do.
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Finally.
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Finally.
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Finally.
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Yeah, when it rains, it pours.
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Yeah, it s good to be busy now.
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Yeah.
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Good to be busy.
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Yes.
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How would you describe this album that you have today?
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You tell me.
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How would I describe it?
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Um, in a non-cliche way, let s see.
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I think it s a massive step up in maturity, um, for myself.
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Um, I think I m gonna catch myself saying, um, a lot in the next hour or so.
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I think it s very nostalgic and, um,
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I think it s just a mature album about heartbreak, not only in relationships, but with not being where you want to be in life, and also geographically, not really being where you want to be and missing home.
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You talk about a lot.
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Is aware a right adjective to use when describing this album?
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Because you are aware.
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You are deeply, deeply aware of yourself.
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I think that is accurate.
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I think very like self-critical.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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To a fault?
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Or to a point where you can change and become a better person?
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Hopefully that but I think I beat myself up a lot But I think yeah, I don t know.
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I m always in my own head.
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I like I m self-critical On and off the mic.
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I think I just like Yeah, I know what I m doing wrong while I m doing it and You can t help but like look back at that and Regret a little bit, you know
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So yes, I guess to a fault.
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I mean, I want to use one of the song titles, writing on the wall, literally is what you re talking about.
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Right.
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But also that plays in so many different areas of life.
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There is something to the realization that like there were a bunch of hints along the way, like clear signs that you just chose to ignore.
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I m just pretending you can t read.
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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But I do think there s a moment where you try to tell yourself
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I m gonna like learn and like apply this these learnings to my life and like never repeat the same mistake But like I don t know sometimes you do yeah all the time 100% um You can be like the most self-aware person you re still gonna find ways to fuck up your life
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You know, I don t know.
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Make mistakes.
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You re human, you know?
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It s the way it works.
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It s the way it works, unfortunately.
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And then time passes on.
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And then you die.
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Yeah, we do make a lot of mistakes as human beings.
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Yeah, I definitely do.
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Every day.
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What is this creative process?
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I mean, I mean, like, does over, being over critical,
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hold you back from making music or does it just aid in that process?
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And then there s a part of like understanding oneself and the things that you faced by creating this stuff, there has to be.
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Yeah.
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I also think like I ve, I ve just never had an ounce of like anger.
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Like I m not an angry person.
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Like I just don t have that in me.
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I don t have like rage or like any form of anger.
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So it s hard for me.
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Like I think even if I,
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wrote an album about a relationship that ended horribly, I would still be like, this was my fault.
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Here s everything I did wrong.
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Sorry.
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And I think it s just because I just don t have that anger in me.
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How do you fight if it s not angry?
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I don t.
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See, this is the problem.
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Let s get into this.
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Yeah.
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I think like, I
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That, me not having that anger or like desire to have confrontation or arguments or that back and forth or debating, like I just don t have, I don t like that.
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And so that causes its own set of problems, obviously.
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SPEAKER_00
Do you shut down?
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SPEAKER_00
Huh?
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SPEAKER_00
Do you shut down?
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I do, exactly.
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So then the problem with it is like,
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I ll shut down and be like, yeah, sorry.
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That s true.
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A hundred percent.
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And I ll like take faults, whether it s friendships, relationships, whatever, like I ll just take the hit.
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And, and I think that s like also horrible to do to someone else because then they re
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I think the majority of people like the back and forth and want to like have that confrontation and get their feelings out.
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SPEAKER_00
It s also how cycles continue, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, it s bad.
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If you choose to just... The balloon s gonna pop.
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Like, you re just, you re filling them up and it s just, you know.
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Do you do it out of fear of loss?
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Because this idea that if you step up and say that somebody s wrong, they can also choose to not engage and also walk away.
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Yeah, I don t, maybe.
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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I ve never been to therapy, so I don t have all the answers, but like, I, yeah, I think I just do it.
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just because I hate confrontation and like all things.
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So it s like, I ll just, instead of speaking up about anything, I ll just keep it to myself.
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And like, even growing up with my best friends who are still my best friends in the world from home.
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And we talk every day and like, we just don t have real conversations, which is crazy.
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We keep everything light and
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funny and like make jokes of everything and I think we re all kind of built the same in that way of like just not wanting to spark any form of confrontation or anything.
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When you re in a relationship though and you get to really intimately know somebody and you live with somebody and like I m in my first relationship now and like I m in the throes of it, right?
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SPEAKER_01
There s a different level of vulnerability and intimacy and then also problem solving and also issues that are going to arise naturally as two human beings that are like interwoven together, right?
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Part of that is confrontation and communication.
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Yeah.
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I agree.
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I have never lived with someone in a relationship.
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And I think probably a big part of that is because I just, I think exactly that, like that would inevitably come when you re that, that.
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Yeah, interwoven.
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Interwoven with someone.
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Like inevitably that s going to happen.
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And so I think that is a reason why I m like, I don t know, like keep space.
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But you build a wall but also not like I m listening to an album that describes love in the like the deepest most purest most beautiful forms.
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Mm-hmm You can t have the connection with a human being while like doing it through a wall.
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It s just not possible I know but I think I can like I genuinely feel like I could like love someone and just like not
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like say a word for like, like I just have that in my head that I could do that.
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But at the same time, I know that s not like a realistic thing for a human being.
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Explain that to me.
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I don t know what I m saying.
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I just think I could
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Like even sometimes just space from someone if you don t see them for a month or two months It s like for me.
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I like it because it makes me
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miss them and like the space is good because I can be alone but also I have someone who loves me and there s space and it s like just knowing that someone loves you I guess is like enough for me.
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Like you have that person.
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If you need them.
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But that s evil.
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That s selfish.
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Yes it is, exactly.
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I know.
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It is.
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I agree.
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It s horrible.
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But what is it about your fear of giving it back?
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If you know somebody loves you...
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But you ve had to give in love to someone, that s bullshit.
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I do, like, I give love.
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You gotta give yourself more credit.
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You were in a fucking full-fledged relationship for years.
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I give love, for sure.
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I am, like, I can give love, like, I m talking about a lot of the bad parts, like, there s beautiful parts, and I think I m, like, a good person, but I just have, like, traits that make it probably very difficult to be in a relationship with me, but I, no matter what,
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show love and tell people that I love them.
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Um, but I guess I just need like a little bit of space with that too.
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I don t, I don t know.
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It s confusing.
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Do you learn this only by being in love with somebody and having to build a relationship that works for however amount of time?
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I guess so.
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Like I ve really like truly only been in love once in my life, but like that taught me a lot and it, what did it teach you?
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A lot about myself, which I think you can hear in the album.
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Oh, totally.
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For sure.
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Um... And... A lot about my faults, like we re talking about, but... It was, like, very cool to know that... I could... Genuinely, like, love someone to death.
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And still do, like, I- like... I s- that lo- like, it was just nice to know.
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Cause I think the last time we talked... Well...
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I think the last time we talked I was talking to you about how I just genuinely never thought I would be in love and it was cool to know that that could happen at least like if nothing else I took from it like it s just nice to know that it can happen for me and yeah.
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Do you fear you won t be in love again?
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I don t know.
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I m not looking for it anytime soon.
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I think you need to take like a year off.
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It s healthy.
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Is that the rule?
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That s my rule.
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Yeah, I don t know if everyone s abiding by those rules.
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I don t think anyone is, but I think for me, I need to take some time off.
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But again, just knowing that that is a possibility, I m confident that I can find it.
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But a possibility that could be written in a whole new way, right?
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Like there is the ability to actually apply learnings from your first love and like become a better partner for somebody.
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Yes, I guess for sure that would also be something amazing that I took from it.
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It s like now I know what not to do and what to do.
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Are you still in love?
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I don t know.
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I can t figure that out.
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I can t figure that out.
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There s definitely a song on the album.
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I mean, this stuff was, huh?
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I mean, there s so many.
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Deeply still in love.
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Deeply still in love, but also I think Slutera trying to get out of it, but also there s so much.
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That was like a, yeah, that was like my little coping moment.
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Whoever you wrote that song about, I hope they don t hear it.
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I do too, I do too.
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I, yeah, I m scared of that one.
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But, you know, it was, it was just very, all those songs were very present.
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It was like right before my relationship ended and then right after.
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And it was just kind of the two sides.
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And I was like, hey, I see this coming.
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I m sorry.
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I still have hope.
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I think this might work out.
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We ll make it through.
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And then there s like the sides that are looking back and being like, well, that was beautiful.
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And I love you.
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That s like a beautiful thing.
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It s a beautiful place to end.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think so.
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It s hard for you to describe that now.
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Yeah, it is.
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But I was debating a lot of like, why even keep those songs in that beginning stage of still having hope and stuff.
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And like, let s just make it a whole album about heartbreak, post heartbreak.
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But I love that you have the two sides.
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They re not that different, to be honest.
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But I love that you have both sides of the rainbow.
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Looking back, what were the signs that you missed?
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The signs?
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah.
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writing on the wall.
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Right.
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Um, to be honest, well, the thing is, is like, I knew I was, I knew they were things that were,
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problematic while I was doing them.
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And I would say that too, like I was very weirdly communicative about that.
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And I was just, you know, like going home a lot and kind of again, like creating space and like leaving LA a lot.
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and not really having a reason why to tell that person.
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For me it was just to like get out and go home.
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I was very homesick too and that was a huge part of it and I just wanted to go home alone and be with my friends and my family and like have some normalcy.
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And I think that would be very confusing for the other person.
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I think it s like, why are you running away from me?
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Which wasn t really the thing.
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I was just, I think that d be confusing.
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And yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don t know.
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What were you running from?
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I don t know.
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Cause it was something.
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Well, it may not have been her.
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And by the way, homesickness makes sense.
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That s the biggest thing.
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Like that was the trajectory for like, that was like the spark for everything.
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Like in the beginning of last summer, I guess like probably late spring,
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I just became like the most homesick, I don t know what it was, I became the most homesick in my life and I was having this weird quarter-life crisis maybe type of thing where I was just questioning everything in my life, like why?
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Like, I don t identify with Los Angeles.
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I don t really love it here.
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And whenever I leave, I m ten times happier.
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What am I doing?
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Wasting my life.
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Sitting in a room all day and, like, literally doing nothing.
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Truth to that.
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Outside of the studio.
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And all that can be true and still be in love with somebody.
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Yes, exactly.
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Like, and, uh,
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And then I think that just started to bleed into a relationship.
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And then going home a lot and just feeling us starting to pull apart from each other a little bit, and you could just have that.
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horrible feeling of like knowing something is dying and grieving it before it s gone.
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And that was when I started rewriting the album because artists are annoying and they have to have tragedy to write a novel and it s disgusting.
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So you had a project ready to go?
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Well, I had a whole other thing, and then I scrapped it.
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And I was like, this is the first time that songs have been pouring out.
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Yeah, I think this is the best album you ve ever made, dude.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, it s spectacular.
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SPEAKER_00
It s great.
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Thank you.
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And I think, yeah, I think it s a big step up in maturity.
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Something about my little quarter life crisis, I feel like matured me a few years and like a couple months.
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So is there a blessing in the breakup?
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Of course.
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I think so.
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There s tons like music aside from it.
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I mean, we got an album out of it.
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Um,
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I hate that I said that, but I think music aside like
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There s something that happens that has always turned me off of relationships where you just start to like block out everyone else in your life and you never see them again and you never hear from them again and I ve always hated that like I ve always tried to talk my friends out of relationships because I know I m gonna lose them and I hate it and we re very protective of each other.
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So like, it s like, it s like when you quit smoking weed.
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Like if you re a weed smoker for years and then you stop after like a week, the fog lifts and you re like, holy shit, this is amazing.
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I can like think clearly.
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I feel like a kid again.
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Like I feel like my old self and it s kind of the same thing when you go through a breakup.
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I feel like you,
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leave it just being like, holy shit I kicked all these people out of my life.
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I haven t been communicating.
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I haven t been social.
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And I came out of it with like no friends aside from my ones from home who I couldn t really like get to when I needed to.
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And so it pushed me.
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I think a beautiful thing about the breakup is like it pushed me to be super social, which I have never been in Los Angeles in my life.
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I saw you out a couple times.
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I know.
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I saw you with a couple of drinks in you and it was the best thing ever.
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He is the nicest.
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That was probably the nicest thing anyone s ever said.
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You just went on for like 15 minutes just saying the most, the sweetest things about me.
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I was so deeply happy to see you.
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I was very happy to see you too, and like, no one s spoken to me that way, it was incredible.
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You re just such a bright light in a really dark room, so it was really special.
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Thank you, you are too.
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Yeah, well, real recognizes real.
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Anyway.
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Anyway, you fucked up my flow, so now I m- It s all me, it s all me.
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You went out, you were social?
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Yes, I went out, I was social.
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Have you been enjoying that?
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I have.
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That was like, that was a big part.
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of the Oh Gemini video too, not to go off on a tangent, but like I wanted a video to somewhat represent that.
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Um, cause I would like, I went to raves for the first time and like, I would just like, sometimes like the people I was with would leave and I would stay there alone and I would just like have these moments of like euphoria and like dancing and being drunk and like going out and
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Whatever.
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Um, just like exploring yourself again.
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Freedom.
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Yes, freedom.
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And there s like a beauty in that.
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I think it s dark.
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I think people maybe see it as being dark when you re like, when I say like getting drunk every weekend, but it s like, I hadn t been doing that.
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And also I m good.
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I m good with alcohol.
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Okay.
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Um, I m diabetic.
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I m smart.
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I don t drink that much.
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But it was like a beautiful release of... It was just a release, I don t know.
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It was like I found myself again.
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SPEAKER_00
Totally, like a rediscovery of your social self, right?
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Which is a big part of who we are as beings.
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Totally.
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And now I have friends out here.
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I have a beautiful group of friends out here now for the first time in like the four and a half, five years that I ve lived here.
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And it s incredible.
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I still don t identify with the city or connect with it.
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I m still homesick, but I have a beautiful group of friends that make it very livable and I don t know.
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SPEAKER_00
But you can also find balance now without any sort of like emotional attachment or physical attachment or whatever, right?
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Like you can go home whenever, like nothing s keeping you here.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Kansas isn t that far.
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It s not that far.
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It s like a two and a half hour, three hour Southwest flight.
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I fly into Kansas City a couple times a year.
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SPEAKER_01
Oh, see, I thought you were using Kansas as a metaphor for Maine.
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Oh, you re from Maine.
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Oh, shit.
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Oh my god.
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I m an idiot.
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I thought you re from Maine.
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I m from Maine.
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Yeah.
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Oh my god.
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Cape Elizabeth.
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Weird.
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And you say, oh, that s RCA?
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It s a little bit of a metaphor.
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Let s break that down.
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Yeah, Maine s far.
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You can t go home.
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No, I m kidding you can that s six hours.
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I do it a lot.
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I do do it a lot You re from Kansas, I don t know why it s like the camo hat just threw me the name of the album Yeah, but like yeah, I should know that though.
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Sorry.
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Okay.
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Hey, it s okay.
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SPEAKER_01
It s okay
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I thought you were on my side.
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I thought you were using I thought you were like you knew that Kansas was like I mean that makes sense.
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Yes, I get that now.
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Yeah, okay good.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean again there are like You Okay, like I guess I m looking for the right word but like
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double meanings, saying one thing but meaning another, using codenames in albums, in song titles, and in lyrics.
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You do a very good job.
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I don t know if I do it too much.
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Well, is it- I mean, are you kidding?
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There s some moments like that are just- I just want to like scream off the- Are they strategic?
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Maybe.
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I m trying to think of one.
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Okay.
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Track number five?
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Track number five is
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Okay.
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Yep.
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Does that just flow naturally?
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Or are you like, I need to express this and I m going to do it in this way.
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I think we re thinking of the same one.
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It s folky.
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Yeah.
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Folkier.
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Yeah.
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Slower.
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Yeah.
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It s a name?
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Yes.
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Okay, good.
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What was your question about it?
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Does it just flow?
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Meaning like when you re writing that, is it strategic when you re going to try to drop?
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In this case, maybe it s different because it s literally repeated over and over again, set a bunch and it s the title.
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But like, is that just naturally what s coming out or is there strategy in terms of like,
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That, I made probably seven songs with that name.
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Really?
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Just because I love the name.
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It s a beautiful name.
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And it flows it so much.
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And I just like loved the, whatever, I just, yeah, it s a beautiful name.
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And then finally, I did a session with Noah who did the album and...
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Ross from the 1975 and we went into it it was like last minute like we thought the album was done and we thought we were like doing deluxe stuff and he came in and we just that just poured out we did it in like one day and uh in front of Ross who I love and have a big crush on um so that was very nerve-wracking to have him in there but
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It was his little tight bun moment.
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That s how the song was born.
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Maybe it was about him.
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I don t know.
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I don t think so.
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I mean, is that painful to just have those mental memories and those visions of the person that you are in love with doing these
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Honestly, like no like there was never a time when I was like Crying writing these songs like to me.
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It was just like a guy.
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I m a very nostalgic person to start with Even outside of this context but like so I just enjoy looking back on things and like I guess it gets me emotional, but I don t I don t I
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I think it s hard.
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I think it s like the only way I can get it out is with Ross Lynch sitting next to me.
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No, but putting it in music.
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Interesting.
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How d you get into a session with him?
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I don t know.
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He was doing a bunch of sessions.
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He s amazing.
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He s a really dear friend of ours.
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SPEAKER_01
Is he?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00
You re talking about Ross Lynch?
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SPEAKER_01
No, not Ross Lynch.
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SPEAKER_00
You just said Ross Lynch.
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SPEAKER_01
But you read Ross McDonald.
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From the 1975, and I m like, no.
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SPEAKER_00
Okay, now I didn t fuck up.
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SPEAKER_00
That s on you, right?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah, you said Ross Lynch, and I was confused, because I thought you were talking about Ross from 1975.
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You did.
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Are you impressed by Ross Lynch?
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SPEAKER_01
No.
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SPEAKER_01
Tucker, if you want us to set you up, you just gotta just tell me.
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I don t, I don t, I don t.
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I don t.
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But Ross McDonald?
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For sure.
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I can t believe that.
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SPEAKER_00
But you re talking about having a crush on Ross McDonald, then you brought out Ross Lynch.
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SPEAKER_01
Everyone has a crush on Ross McDonald.
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I can t believe I just said that.
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Oh my god.
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It s crazy too, I ve like, I love him.
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SPEAKER_01
It was really cool working with him, he s very sweet.
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SPEAKER_01
Does he do the whole thing?
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No.
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Um, he knew that me and Noah were like already locked.
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He knew that we like already pretty much had an album finished.
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So he was like, let s just make something and I ll like fill in where I can.
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And he did.
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And he, um, he was also like giving me notes while I was like singing.
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And I was like, yes, yes, sir.
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SPEAKER_01
Yes, sir.
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I ll do whatever you say.
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SPEAKER_00
I mean, it worked like your vocals on this very different than anything before.
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SPEAKER_01
Yeah, it was fun.
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This, sonically, this is probably my favorite one.
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And I like forced, I like told my aunt and I was like, this is not for Deluxe.
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Like if we have to knock a song off, this is going on for sure.
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Just cause it had like that.
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like landslide type of things.
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We got the full strings on it and the slide guitar and we had Harrison Whitford come who plays with Phoebe Bridgers.
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SPEAKER_01
We had Mason Stoops come in on a lot of songs.
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SPEAKER_00
Noah s across all of it but does that one session that you were going in to do a deluxe for change the course of everything right?
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Yeah, I mean, yes and no.
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We just, it was, I was set on the album being 12 songs and it became 13 and that was pretty much it.
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SPEAKER_00
Wait, so how d you know it was finished?
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The album?
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SPEAKER_00
Yeah.
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Um, I, that s a good question.
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I don t know.
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I think Noah kind of helped me and my N.R.
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Kelly helped me be like,
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tell me when because if I had it my way like I would have just kept re-recording everything and like being like oh I hate this part I hate my voice in this part going in and like we did that for like weeks and I think Noah was probably ready to kill me.
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but I was just like very picky.
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It was like the interlude that was the last thing that we had to do, like everything was off to mix and master and it was just the interlude and I was like, there was just a certain way that I wanted it to sound and we could not do it.
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We recorded it so many times, the vocal alone, and then finally I was like,
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Let s just do it in your living room with like a shitty mic and I was like and so he brought the like Mike that was living room his studios like in a Backhouse, there s like chords or whatever and we did it that way and it was like Shitty and the perfect way and that s all and then we were like now we re done.
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It needed to be shitty.
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Yeah.
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Yeah I don t know
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I don t know.
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It doesn t sound shitty, but I think that the subject matter could be shitty.
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Do you know what I m saying?
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Yeah.
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The story is told from a living room perspective.
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I get it.
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Totally.
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And this is the only thing where I like, I recorded it.
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I originally got the guitar sent to me from Jason, this dude Jason.
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Um, and I was like coming home from a session and I listened to it in my car and I was like kind of singing stuff and I was like,
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I just went home and like mic d up my living room and just like sang the demo and we just could never replicate that demo that I loved and so after months we finally it was just like let s just do exactly what I did and we did it.
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Duplicated it.
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Duplicated it.
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How do most of these songs start?
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Is it off of like you getting is like just strings or production or something or is it a lyric well now it s Changed because I can play guitar now
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I m not fucking good, but I can write songs and I ll probably be able to play on stage for this, for A-Tour.
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And that was huge.
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That was a game changer.
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And I could like write and start and get ideas out in my living room without someone in the room like being like, how are you doing?
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Where are we?
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You got the verse done?
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Can I hear it?
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Oh, that s terrible.
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And so it s like good to just get the idea out yourself and then you can go flesh it out.
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So that was a huge game changer.
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Helps with lyrics big time.
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And vulnerability and like.
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Exactly.
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Refining.
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Yeah.
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That was huge.
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That s like.
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That s pretty wild that it s come this late in the game.
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Yeah, I know.
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For sure.
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But you ve still been able to be vulnerable around your collaborators, but it s like a different level just being alone.
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I agree.
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But I also, like, I should have learned to play an instrument long ago.
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Why do you feel like you didn t?
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Didn t?
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Yeah.
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I don t know.
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I m just like a... Because I was always like someone else can do it better.
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Still kind of true, but not really.
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That hurts my feelings, but that s very true.
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It s very true.
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But I don t know.
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I was just a little brat and I just like wouldn t.
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Like now it s like for the past like two years every day like I ll hold it and I ll play it and mess around every day even if it s just for like five minutes.
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And I just never did that before.
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I was like a little brat.
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I was just lazy.
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Did you pick it up easily?
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I did.
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I did.
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I watched a lot of YouTube videos again.
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It s kind of how I learned everything.
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But I would watch like videos on like how to play
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A Phoebe Bridger song.
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And then I d take the chords that I could play.
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I just can t do bar chords, but I m working on that.
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But I would just steal those chords and then like combine them with like a different video that I watched of like a Ariana Grande song.
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And then combine chords, you know?
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And from there, he becomes a guitar hero.
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Well, from there, what s the first song you write on the guitar?
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What was, well, I guess technically a scumbag.
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Um, that was the first thing where it was like, I brought that in and we didn t change it.
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Like usually I ll bring something in and be like, okay, but can you like find a cooler way to do it?
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That was the first time where it was like, we use it.
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Um, so that s cool.
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Do you really feel like you re a scumbag?
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A stain on the kitchen floor?
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A setback?
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I do, I do.
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I think it goes back to the beginning of this, what we were talking about.
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Self-critical.
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But today, do you feel that?
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I don t know if scumbag is the right word.
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It definitely sounded cool.
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Yeah, you re definitely not a scumbag.
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I don t think I m a scumbag.
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I think I m a great person, to be honest.
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I think I have scummy traits, as do we all.
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Well back then you had scummy traits, but we re actively acting to scrub the scum.
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That s right, scrub the scum.
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Yeah, 100%.
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Oh my god, I don t know why, I m sorry, we re going off on a tangent, but that for some reason just made me think of the clip that I just saw of you interviewing Troy when you were like, how big is your deck?
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It just popped up on my feed the other day and I was losing my mind laughing.
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I don t know why that just sparked that.
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It s an honor to be on your algorithm.
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Yeah.
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Thank you for having us there.
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Yeah.
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You re always there.
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You re always there.
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It means a lot.
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Um, but yeah, actively trying to scrub the scum.
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Um, have you thought about therapy?
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Thought about it.
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Um, yeah, I,
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I have thought about it, and I ve talked about it with people who kind of have like a... My thing has always been like, it s an ego thing for me, where I m just like, what can you tell me that I don t already know about myself?
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Like that s, again, with like the self-awareness thing.
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I don t think that s something I hate when people are like, I m so self-aware.
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But I think...
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There s so many people who brag about it.
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And they re always the least self-aware people on earth.
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But I m just saying, I think that is part of why I do it.
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It s just like, I have this ego about it where I m like, I know everything I m doing wrong.
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I know why I don t feel great sometimes.
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I know why I m doing better now.
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Like, what are you going to tell me?
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Don t listen to what I m saying and apply it to your life.
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I m just like, this is my experience and it s wrong.
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So go to therapy if you need it.
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Cautionary tale to the opposite.
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Yeah, that s the message.
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I just received I can just see people like if there s a clip of that.
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They ll be like um Actually like therapy changed my life And it s gonna be like a better help out, and I m gonna look like an asshole.
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I m not To each their own
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That s a scumbag.
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Yeah, let s get out of this topic.
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Is it true that scumbag was the one song that was left over from the scrapped album?
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It was.
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Why did that one make the cut?
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Actually, it was that one and, uh, another one.
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Such a weird thing to talk about an album before like it s this is weird because it is coming it is coming It s yeah anyways It I kept it I Don t know why I was very like attached to it.
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There s so many and for some reason I was attached to that one Sonically I just love it
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And lyrically, I think you could argue that it doesn t maybe fit, but I think it just, it does fit in that window that we were talking about.
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It definitely does.
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Post-heartbreak where you re still like, there s hope and you re like, I got this.
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You re also accepting blame and like, it s a bunch of stuff.
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Yeah.
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And, um,
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So I think it still fits 100%.
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And what else was I going to say about it?
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I don t know.
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Love the song.
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Great song.
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It really is an amazing album.
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You should be really proud of it.
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Thank you.
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I really am.
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Yeah, I really am.
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I was going to say for the first time, but I m not going to say that.
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Well, you kind of just did.
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Thank you.
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Is this the first time you re proud of something?
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yeah yeah because to be honest like in the most simplified like my one goal with this album even at the very start when we started that other album that just got scrapped it was like my one goal was i wanted an album that
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lived all in one world, like, sonically, like, just sounded the same.
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Okay, that s horrible.
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Lived in the same world, sonically.
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Because all of my favorite albums do.
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And, like, I m very much an album person.
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I don t listen to playlists.
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I don t make playlists.
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I listen to, like, albums for months, and then I ll listen to a different album.
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And that s the one thing they all have in common, is, like, it s a certain mood.
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in the whole album.
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You need to check your sugar?
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Yeah, how d you know?
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No, I don t need to check it.
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I mean, what is it?
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What s your level at?
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It s my diabeto.
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And yeah, and I feel like I did that and that was my one goal.
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So like, I did that.
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You know, the Zach Sang show is like a little perk from it, and we get to go do press and everything, but like, I did my one thing.
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That s amazing.
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Thank you, Zach Sang.
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Have you ever felt successful?
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Thought about that.
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I think when I got my first car out here, I felt like the man.
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I felt like successful.
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Fuck yeah.
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Yeah, fuck yeah.
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What d you get?
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It s a BMW.
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Nice.
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And...
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Yeah, that was cool.
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That made me feel successful.
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I don t know.
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I don t know.
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It s corny, but I don t know what that means still, to be honest.
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But yeah, I don t know.
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I feel like I m living my dream.
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We re out here.
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And people still care, so that s cool.
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Also, do you feel fulfilled by the art you make?
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I do.
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Are your mics gonna pick up my stomach sounds?
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No, it s okay, but your levels are definitely acting up.
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I hear your phone vibrate.
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Those are good.
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The first person you destroyed in my heart was a type 1 diabetic and they found out while we were together and I saw them through the whole thing.
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So I m very versed in the diabetic lifestyle.
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You are.
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Deeply, like, deeply educated.
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It s a sick lifestyle.
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Diabetic lifestyle is crazy.
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It s fucking sick.
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You re a type 1, right?
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Hell yeah, hell yeah.
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And technically you re type 3 because you love someone with diabetes.
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Or you re friends and family with someone.
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Oh, I guess you re not, they broke your heart.
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No, they just, yeah, they re a terrible, disgusting, disgraceful person.
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Totally fucking garbage.
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They just do a lot of figure out diabetes on their own.
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But I did it, no, I actually lived with them for months.
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That s my brother.
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Those are my diabetes brothers.
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Well, dude, diabetes is really scary.
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Yeah, it is scary.
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It s very intense.
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Like, when did you get diagnosed?
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How old were you?
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I was 10.
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Wow.
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I was in the fifth grade.
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I think that s 10.
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So you ve been managing it for a long time.
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I have.
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Um, and yeah, I, yeah.
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It does change the way you live.
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A hundred percent.
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I think it shaped me, to be honest, like,
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In a lot of ways, it makes you very independent at an early age because you don t want your parents to be putting things in your ass and stabbing you with needles.
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That sounds weird, but like you want to be doing it.
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Totally.
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Whatever.
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You just want to like do it on your own.
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It makes you very independent at a young age.
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And, um, it also, I would use it as an excuse in high school to not do, to not like smoke or drink.
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And I d be like, Oh no, dude, I m diabetic.
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I can t.
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Like it s gonna fuck me up like I ll have a seizure and I ll die man, and which is like not true It s a simple little Google search But I would just use that and I was like a very good kid in high school And that got me through and like even to this day like because of it I drink and I Have fun, but like I don t
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I don t get as drunk as Zach Sang at a Grammy party.
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No, I m kidding, I m kidding, I m kidding.
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But I am very in control of that stuff and I think it s a mixture of that and then also, you know, seeing I have like family members and stuff that have had issues with it so I m like
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Living out the name over here.
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Romano.
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Fuck yeah.
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Respect.
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Thank you to Paul Rudd for that one, eh?
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No.
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We talked about this.
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I know.
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I m fucking around.
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It s fake.
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It s a fake fact.
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Freaks me out that people think that s real.
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Imagine watching that movie and going, that s a sick name for an artist.
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I love that.
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Is Point Park still relevant in your mind?
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Um, it is.
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I had a, I went back to Pittsburgh on the last, on my headline tour for RX and it was incredible.
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I have like a deep love for Pittsburgh.
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Um, and I would never live there again, but I would also not be making music if I didn t go there.
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I would never have discovered that part of me.
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Is that part of you still highly relevant today?
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In the music you make?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like, when I started, I was, like, making rap music.
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But that was the scene in Pittsburgh, and I just, like, wanted to, like, be a part of that scene.
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But it got me started.
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There wasn t a music scene in Maine where I grew up, really.
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We had, like, bluegrass bands that, like,
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pubs and like ski mountains and stuff and lodges and like that was the music scene.
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It was like 70 year old man with big white beards like rocking out which is sick.
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But I didn t know that there was like community and stuff and when I went to Pittsburgh it was very cool to see a massive
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music scene and community and it was really cool and it was all like collaborative.
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People would make me pay them for features still but it was cool.
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I met Montel Fish was in Pittsburgh when I was there and he was like the one person that didn t make me pay him to make a song with him and that was huge and now he s like
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taken off.
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Anything you ve, anything apart of that time or like process that you still apply and use today?
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Even when making this last album?
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I think a lot of that stuff, well I guess fast forward like a year or two,
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When I was making Arizona in the Summer, my first EP, I did that on a closet by myself.
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And I think we ve talked about it, but a 17-year-old kid from home was emailing me beats or production or guitar or whatever.
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And I would just sit in my closet and make structure out and write and record and mix a song.
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And it kind of felt like this album, Kansas Anymore, was a little bit of a full circle, just because I got to do a lot of it, start a lot of it in my living room again by myself, which was really cool.
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It made me feel like I got to get back to that.
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Because to this day, aside from Kansas Anymore, that was my favorite thing that I had done, those songs.
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I m telling you going back to your roots always fucking works and going back to like exactly what you did at the very beginning that worked is what you should be doing.
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I think so.
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I think so.
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I mean, insert some story that Chris Martin told me years ago that changed my life.
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I ve told it like a thousand times, but he said exactly that.
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I think their first album was made in a barn, their second album wasn t, and the second album was not what the first one was, and then the third album went back to the barn, and then their life changed.
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And, you know, it was pretty wild.
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And we were going through something similar.
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Going back to exactly like the bare bones of like what the fuck worked at the beginning.
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Totally.
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Because it wasn t that like, think about it, like what, what worked is what got you to your next step.
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Right.
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So you ended up fixing something that wasn t ever really broken.
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It s this, yeah, it s, I mean, Chris Martin, Mr. Chris Martin nailed it.
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I think it was the same thing.
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It was like, I went from a closet to studios in LA and I m just like, and it just, I don t know.
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I wish, I wish, I don t know, I wish I had just kept doing it myself.
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But I was like, I got to LA and saw studios and was like, look at all this, like this dude can just like mix my vocals himself and like I can just sit back and- Everything changes.
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Yeah, and it just goes down.
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And then, so it s cool to make it a full circle thing and get back to the roots.
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Sound like somebody from Kansas.
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But you re not.
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I m not from Kansas.
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Let s make that very clear.
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Love it there.
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You gotta listen to Role Models music.
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It s all waiting for you on Amazon Music.
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Link below.
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Probably a code on your screen to scan.
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What are you thinking?
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Why was Oh Gemini the perfect song to come back with?
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That was like the plan from the day I made it.
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I made it in Nashville with Ian Fitchhook, who I love to death.
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And for some reason I was like, from the start, that was going to kick everything off.
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I just wanted to get that one out there.
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I was really proud of the writing and the melodies on that song.
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And also I made it with like,
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kind of like a hero of mine like Casey Musgraves and Golden Hours still in my top three maybe two albums ever like I love whatever he s like a hero and so I was just very proud of that song in general and just was and also had that video idea again from like the day we made it and yeah
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And so I just wanted to kick it off with that and be like, hey guys, I matured a little bit.
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I m, I m not talking about sex and masturbation.
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Exactly.
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But you are asking who you are without the person that you loved for so long.
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Yeah, a hundred percent.
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It was like, I mean, that song was literally two weeks before and it was just like very much seeing something coming and just being like,
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kind of one last plea, but also just knowing an end was coming.
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Are you playing these records for her, or are you like communicating parallel to these songs being made?
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Or, I mean, or not communicating, because this would involve confrontation.
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Yep.
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Um, no.
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I don t think I did.
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I don t think I did.
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if that would have helped or not.
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You didn t say anything?
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No.
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About the song?
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I mean, any, like, I mean, but you re having some sort of communication parallel to making the record, right?
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Not about the song, but about life and... Yes, yes, yes.
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But I didn t, I never played things for them, you know?
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Yeah.
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Um... But... Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Are you saying the word remember on that song a certain way on purpose?
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No.
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No.
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No.
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Okay.
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No, I m not.
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Would you date another Gemini?
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Yeah, to be honest, like, I don t, I don t know.
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You re not into that stuff?
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I m not.
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I don t get it either.
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Aw, yeah?
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I m not.
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You are.
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I promise I m not.
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Yeah, I know.
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I, uh, yeah, I promise I m not, but, um, yeah, Gemini, whatever, anything.
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Let s talk about the music video.
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How did uh... You should like... I don t know if you want to say that though.
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Right.
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Not all signs are created equal.
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No, I do.
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I stand by that.
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Okay, you re open to everybody.
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Yeah.
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All signs, at least.
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Yeah.
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Okay, got it.
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The music video, there s like a Kevin Abstract is almost like a love interest for a moment.
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Mm-hmm.
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How did that all come about?
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How d you come up with that idea?
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He...
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There are a couple people that dropped out last very last minute and He came in literally the morning of the shoot and banged it out and but he s been like I Love him.
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He s been very good to me Since like 2019 like early 2019 I
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He reached out on Twitter when I put out Minimal.
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It was when I started teasing it, and he was like, please send me this video.
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I want to see it.
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And I didn t.
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But I was like, it s coming out tomorrow.
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Chill out.
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And we started talking, and then he invited me to this thing.
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I want to say it was called Friday Therapy.
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And it was when Brockhampton was still a group.
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And at one of their houses, it was all Brockhampton, all their like loved ones and friends and some like stragglers like me who just like pulled up alone to this thing that they had like a flyer for.
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It was like Friday therapy with no information on it.
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And I was like thinking it was a party.
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I think I like brought alcohol or something.
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And I walked in and it s like
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everyone s kind of like talking to each other but like very welcoming like I had never met like Joba I had never met him and he came right up to me I was like hey man like how are you what s your name how are you feeling like how is everything and like I was like okay instantly I understood what it was and dude it was beautiful it was so crazy they re all just like
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It was cool, they really invited a lot of people like me who were just, you could tell were just a little bit lonely or whatever.
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And they even did a thing where it was a huge circle and they would go around and talk about something.
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I think a couple people cried during it and it was a beautiful thing.
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This is a huge tangent.
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That s really special though.
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But this is how you become actual friends with somebody.
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And so I have a very deep love for him.
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And I think he does a lot for a lot of artists that people don t know about.
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I think he helped out a lot of people early on.
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Like Dom and Ryan and everything.
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I think he cares very deeply behind the scenes.
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He s a good guy.
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He is.
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He dropped out.
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I dropped out?
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No, who dropped out of the music video?
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I can t, I can t.
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Alright, I think you would.
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I won t say that.
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Also men?
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Or did he, like, fill a role that was... No, it was... I ll say one of them was we were trying to get Noah back.
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I was gonna guess Vinny Hyder.
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You have such a little crush on him.
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Noah Beck.
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You re cheeky, yeah?
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I see your Instagram.
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I don t.
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I m just obsessed with his social media presence.
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I think it s, like, unreal to just be, like,
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Like to be that shredded and always have your shirt off and like still kind of be like cute about it I guess I m just like blown away at someone s I love Noah Beck.
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I don t have a crush on you, but like What you re doing on social media is rock and roll brother Keep it up.
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He is good at social media.
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I follow him
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It s insane.
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He knows what he s doing.
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I check his exercise routine every morning, and then he goes for his coffee and breakfast.
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Jesus.
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I swear I m the first person to view his stories every time.
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He s probably going to block me soon.
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What are you thinking?
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Well, look at that woman.
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What are you thinking?
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Look at that woman, you start talking about gold hoops, and then blind, you start off that song talking about gold hoops.
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Did that purposely?
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That was purpose.
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Like a lot of, and you questioned me saying you dropped like strategic little, double meanings.
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I just needed an example.
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So yes, I did do that.
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Gemini, gold hoops, how many?
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Yeah, the gold hoops was a little callback.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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What s the look of that woman about?
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And how does it relate to blind?
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Well,
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I don t know if it relates.
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I mean, I don t know if it relates to it.
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Uh, it s definitely just the looking back.
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I think that one was like the maximum nostalgia track for me.
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Um, and there was a lot of versions of it, but I was, yeah, I don t know.
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That one was very much like just looking back and
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fighting the urge to having those like urges to reach out again and Yeah fighting through that winter Depression yes And making it through the seasons looking back but yeah
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But again, like a lot of these things, I wanted it to not feel so dreadful like that.
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Like I wanted it to feel like a summer, airy, windows down.
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You forget that you re singing.
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When you re singing along to it, you would forget that you re singing about like coping and whatnot.
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Is there French being spoken on this album?
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There is.
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Why?
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Wanted it.
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I don t think there s much of a reason.
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I just wanted it when we made I Think it started it happens twice The second to last song was it never had a bridge and I
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just I didn t I tried so many whatever and it just didn t work and so I had like I wrote out some things to like say and we had this girl woman I m forgetting her name you have there s a there s a female on a couple songs but they re not listed there s a lot of there s backing vocals yeah that s a female yes yeah she s on the last
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record too.
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The last song on the album.
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Yes.
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She, they re all different girls though.
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Yes.
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Um, last song is a friend of mine from home who s also an artist, but she s also from Maine.
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Uh, we had that girl come in and just like,
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She saw my thing that I wrote out and then kind of improvised a version of it.
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And it was perfect.
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And then we had her do the outro of Deeply Stolen Love in French as well.
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Which was like supposed to transition into the interlude nicely.
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But yeah.
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We had a lot of cool little like backing vocal cameos.
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Why was it important to have a female s voice on this album?
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I just, again, it s like the stuff that I listen to, um, and also my voice specifically, I think just wouldn t sound, I think it would clash with another.
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like male vocal.
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I just don t... I don t know.
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It s my taste, I guess.
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I don t know.
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It also shows two sides to the story.
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That s really nice.
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Thank you.
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It s a good album.
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You should listen to the songs that are out.
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They re all waiting for you on Amazon Music.
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Click the link below.
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Why d you start a second TikTok called St.
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Laurent Cowboy?
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That was 100% my choice.
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It was my idea.
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And I just wanted to have a second account to build community and get closer to the fans.
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Who s forcing you to say this?
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Dude, I love TikTok.
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And I love, I love building community and talking to you guys so closely and personally.
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It s giving politician, but you look good in the TikTok.
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You look good as a cowboy.
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Thank you.
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Like there s an aesthetic to it now.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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It s good.
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Thank you.
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Is this like a part of the rollout?
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Like even with the album cover?
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Um, yes.
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It s, uh, yeah.
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And the videos too.
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Um, we just shot Deeply video, yeah, last night.
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And, um, it was incredible.
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I m very excited.
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We got the big boy budgets now.
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Oh, what does that mean?
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Kind of like you guys.
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In here now.
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We re all on the same boat.
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We re all moving up together.
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It s a come up.
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It s taking a while.
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It s a slow burn for us boys.
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So what does it mean to have a big budget on a music video that s different than before?
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What do you get now?
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You re not telling me?
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No, but it was just, it was,
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Big for me, to be honest.
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Are you dancing?
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Like, we re not, I mean, you know, like... No.
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We did, like, stunt work and everything, and it was, like, a new thing.
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It was a new, uh, new challenge for me, and it was really fun.
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But again, this is a big budget for me.
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I m sure Sabrina Carpenter would, like, laugh in my face if she heard what I was saying.
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You know.
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Espresso.
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That s, uh, me espresso.
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Yes.
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One of my favorite tunes.
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It s so good.
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I genuinely love it.
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It s too good.
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Yeah, I agree.
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She s great.
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Do you ever feel like you re working late because you re a singer?
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No, I get out of the studio pretty early.
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I start early and I leave.
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My days are 11 to 6.
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That s a healthy balance.
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It is.
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I can t relate to the song but I love it.
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By the way, I feel very understood by this album.
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You really go through a lot of life, and anybody who s experienced heartbreak and loving and loss and all of it can understand this album.
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But you wrap it around really catchy shit.
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It s a beautiful body of work.
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You should be really proud of it.
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I am.
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Thank you so much.
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It s really good.
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It s exceptional.
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Listen to it, please.
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It deserves your ear.
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There s a link below, code on the screen.
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What else are you thinking?
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I don t know, this thing is really good.
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I ve listened to the whole album like 10 times already.
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Thank you so much.
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It s great.
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Thank you.
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And why is that a chapstick at your desk?
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That s uh, that s Nick Sterniolo s Lip balm brand.
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Space Camp Wellness.
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You know Sterniolo triplets?
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I don t.
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Come on, you re a man of the internet.
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I don t know what that is.
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But I love that you are advertising for them.
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Yeah.
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Even though you turned the labels around.
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Yeah, maybe you should label out.
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If you want to help them out, spin them.
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It s kind of for you.
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It s like you re looking at it, Dan.
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Yeah.
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Hi, Turnley Only Brothers.
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I love you guys.
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I feel like you re going to watch them and love them, so report back.
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Seriously.
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What did you just call them?
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Turnley Only Brothers.
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Is there any other little triplets?
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Yeah.
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Listen to Ro Model s music, there s a link below.
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Amazon music.
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You re genuinely one of my favorite people on this planet.
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You re one of my favorite, I love it here.
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You know who I rave about you to all the time?
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Oh no, who?
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Mostly because we don t have, like, we never have much conversation so we always just end up talking about you.
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Oh no.
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Phineas.
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We gush about you all the time.
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I love you so much.
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That makes me very happy.
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And we have a very high respect for you and
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I appreciate that.
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Thank you very much.
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You guys are very good listeners and very attentive.
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This was a really beautiful conversation, but it really takes two to tango.
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This is probably the most I ve talked in... Months?
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Years.
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Since the last time we did it.
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Wait, I just thought of a dumb question that we probably should have asked.
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In Kansas anymore, like, it s a Wizard of Oz reference, but like, is there any Wizard of Oz, like, what s going on here?
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That was really well asked.
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I see why you re not the frontman.
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That s why I take the backseat.
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I, yeah, there s a bunch, I mean like, it s a metaphor for like, not being
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Where you once were, home, relationship, whatever, happiness.
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I m not gonna lean too much into The Wizard of Oz, but it is fully taking from, I don t think we re in Kansas anymore.
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And there is a line on the album, I forget what song, where you talk about tapping your shoes three times, right?
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Yes.
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So that was the most, probably.
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Yeah.
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But, um...
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The merch will be cute.
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That s gonna be good.
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You have great merch.
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You know I wear your horny hat all the time.
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Do you?
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Yeah.
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I also wear it.
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It s so good.
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I wear it all the time.
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I love that you have it.
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The NY New York logo.
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He wore it for our last interview.
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So good.
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The amount of dupes, or whatever you call them, I ve seen in New York.
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Really?
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Every time I go to New York
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It s insane.
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And it s so much, you know what I feel like?
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I feel like the dude who dropped out of the Beatles right before they got huge, I feel like I could have... Capitalized?
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Millionaire.
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Like multi-millionaire.
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But to be fair, whenever you re shaping culture and doing something right, there s always gonna be people who dupe you and take advantage of it and do it cheaper.
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So like, you know, yeah, you had a limited run, people saw it, they capitalized.
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What could you have done?
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Gone wider with it?
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Also, I think it was illegal for you to just take the New York logo.
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It was illegal.
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So everyone s being illegal.
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Right.
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But now I ll just walk down and I ll like point it out and be like, I started that.
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When I pass them on the street.
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And you wanna know something?
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I ll take it off their fucking head.
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It s worth something for sure for sure Take it.
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Yeah, take it and own it.
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Yeah, I own that That s his I got one more idea.
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Yes, sir.
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I assume you you will tour some time in the future Yes, you should wear Ruby red loafers on stage.
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I thought about it to get them custom-made.
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I
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Yeah, that s gotta be done.
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Yeah, I thought about that too.
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Very good.
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We re synced up.
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Yes, we are.
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My period brother.
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You re really special.
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I really love you, Role Model.
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I love you guys, too.
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You guys are amazing.
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Really one in a trillion.
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Please listen to his music.
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All of it waiting for you.
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Listen, listen, listen.
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Oh, we re not in Kansas anymore.
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It s waiting for you.
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The song.
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It s not all of it, but it s coming.
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Click the link below, okay?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Appreciate you.
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Love you guys.
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Role Model, everybody.