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Tony, welcome to the Tony Robbins podcast.
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It s a pleasure to have you.
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It s a treat to be on your own podcast.
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I never thought I d be sitting across from you.
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We have a very special guest today on the Tony Robbins podcast.
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It s the one and only Tony Robbins.
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Oh my gosh.
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Well, I feel really privileged to be on this podcast with the two of you, especially.
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Listen, um, I know it s a father s day podcast and I know you guys are going to do the bulk of this cause I guess that s what you promised.
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You did mother s day, right?
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We did indeed.
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I love that one.
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Yes, thank you.
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And on that podcast, we actually committed to, it just felt imbalanced to only do one perspective.
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And so thank you for joining us because we wanted to get from your eyes and your perspective, obviously we re not fathers.
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Yeah, but you both have amazing fathers, obviously.
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Some present still, some present from a distance on the other side in Mary s case, but both your fathers have had a big impact on me as well.
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And just getting a sense tone, like what does it mean to you to be a father?
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And can you speak on the father principle that s really alive in all of us as an attribute?
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Well, I think the father s job is one of the most important jobs on earth, other than others, probably.
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Um, I think it s unique.
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Everyone has their own idea of what that looks like.
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I think the most important thing, if you re listening and father s day, first of all, happy father s day to all the fathers out there.
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I send you all my love.
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Cause I know what that means.
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And I know we ve all been shaped to some extent.
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And some people have been shaped because the father relationship was not a great one.
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Some people barely know their father.
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Some people have very harsh relationships, fathers.
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Some have very loving relationships.
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So some are close, some are distance.
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And I don t pretend to be an expert, but I do have the great privilege and blessing of being a father to five and a grandfather to five.
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So at least I have some experience on the job and at different stages of my life too, where I got several of my children all at once, which is a unique experience of life.
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But I think, you know, the father role as far as I m concerned is it has two sides to it.
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You know, anyone can be a parent, anyone can have a child, but I think there s a difference between being a father and even being a dad.
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To me in my world, a dad is a really beautiful and fun experience.
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Um, you know, a dad can, you can be the friend to your kids, but I think a father is someone who loves their child so much that you re willing to risk losing their love in the short term in order to serve them.
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And so I look at father to me as a position of love and strength, like absolute unconditional love beyond imagination so that they know that no matter what happens in their life, you re always in their corner.
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but a strength to call to the higher part of any stage of a child s life.
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Uh, even I m discovering now, even at a toddler stage, you know,
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so that their life actually manifests into something that they re proud of and magnificent.
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It doesn t mean putting your approach to life or your, you know, tattoo on your child, because I don t think that s what a father does.
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I think a father is someone who s acutely aware of that each child has different gifts and each child needs a different kind of support and each child needs a different kind of challenge.
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And so being a warm, loving,
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strong father to me as a figure that s important.
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And it s not because, um, you know, I ve had so many great role models, you know, um, as you know, honey, I ve had multiple fathers.
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Can you just share your own relationship and how that shaped you as a human being?
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There s many listeners out there that, you know, possibly, uh, you know, have had challenges with their own father figure or lacking of a father figure.
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And you certainly had a unique constellation.
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Can you elaborate on that?
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Sure, I d be happy to.
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That was very articulate, honey.
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This is fun.
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This feels very formal the way you re doing this.
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I m sorry.
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What have you done to her, Mary?
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She s become a formal journalist here.
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I m sweating.
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I m sweating.
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I m sweating up straighter than usual on this episode.
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I m holding my breath.
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I haven t taken one breath yet.
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No, honey, I think for those listening, some of you may know some of my history, but I don t want to bore everybody with the details, but I had a unique upbringing, and then I had a very powerful mother, very strong, very intense.
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And a huge part of who I am today was shaped by her.
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But I also had four different fathers because I had such a strong mother here on the show.
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And it shaped me in different ways.
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My natural father,
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who gave me the gift of life and birth along with my mother, um, was never, I was never really super close to, I never really related to him as a father.
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Um, he was a good man.
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He worked hard and a lot of how I see him, I know was probably shaped by my mother.
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And I think it s important for mothers out there to know what a role you play in seeing how the father s perceived.
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Um, in your case, Sage, um, your daddy,
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was not there a good period of the time.
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And some of your siblings looked at that as he wasn t there for me.
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And you looked at it as he s working his butt off for the family.
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Um, and I don t know how much your mom played a role in that.
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I think she did play a role, didn t she?
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Hugely so that her absolutely her own narrative was, you know, dad is really in service to the family.
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He s taking care of us, you know, he s supporting from that perspective.
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So I didn t have that disjointed perspective that,
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of his absence.
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So I do believe that my mom s narrative on that definitely shaped my own perception of that reality.
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And that s a really valid point, Tony.
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Because it can also be shaped positively.
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Sounds so funny how you call me Tony.
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You never call me Tony.
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I don t, but we are on the Tony Robbins podcast.
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This is a real interview.
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Stop laughing everyone.
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I m taking this officially, man.
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Tony.
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Okay, Tony.
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All right, sweetheart.
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I love you.
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I love you too.
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Thank you.
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No, but I think that s important to point out because to be fair to my natural father,
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Um, you know, my mom and I, my mom was so dominant and was so close.
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I think she shaped my view of him to a great extent.
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And I m, you know, I m happy about how I came out, so to speak as a result of a con a whole complex set of, of interactions.
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But my natural father was a parking attendant.
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He worked for 50 years underground.
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Um, it was before, you know, having little automated systems to, you know, get your ticket.
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And he would take people s money, sit there and read the newspaper and take people s money all day long.
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And as a young boy, when I first went, I remember being excited to go with him just to be at my dad s work at a really young boy.
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But, um, my mom s view of that, um, she had, uh, you know, a negative frame of him.
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And so I think I developed a negative frame about him.
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I don t think I know.
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And also that she left him when I was really young, when I was, what, I guess, seven years old.
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And I remember at the time her calling me in and saying, you know, you probably know what this meeting s about.
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And I had no clue.
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And they said, well, we re getting a divorce.
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And I was shocked, because my mother and father didn t really argue that much.
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My mom argued, but my father didn t.
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My father was an alcoholic, but not a mean alcoholic in any way, my natural father.
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Um, and, but there was just no relationship with him.
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He d come home and he d be drunk and he d watch TV.
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Um, it wasn t into sports.
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We did share, you know, uh, a love of history.
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I, I have a love of history.
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He, maybe he planted that seed in me.
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I don t know, probably.
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Um, and so that was the one thing we shared in common, but that was about it.
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I really couldn t tell you much about him.
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He was very internal man.
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Um, wanted to be a movie star was in the movie business.
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That s how he and my mom met, I guess, and be, I m going to kind of be movie situation.
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Didn t quite make that, but he was a, he was a good man and he was a attractive man.
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Um, but he wasn t a very strong man.
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And I think a huge part of who I became was to not be like that.
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And that s not trying to be disrespectful to me anyway, just trying to be honest as to how I think it shaped me.
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And again, I don t know that it s fair, because it was a big part of, through my mother s eyes.
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So she got up and left with my little brother, five years younger, and my little sister, seven years younger, and I was destroyed by it.
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And so that was kind of my path.
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And my mom actually fell in love with his cousin.
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It sounds like Peyton place, doesn t it?
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And if you know what Peyton place is, I think I just dated myself.
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But anyway, the bottom line is they moved away and not too far away.
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And, um, and I was, I think I was shaped, um, in the missing of my mother as well, missing of my brother and sister.
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And so I moved to my second father.
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And his name was Art, and he was a completely different man.
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Also very internal.
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He was good with his hands and smart, but again, no real relationship, you know, no emotional connection.
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if you have a father that you didn t have any connection with for most of my young life, I didn t have one either.
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So that lasted for a few years.
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And then, uh, there was a blank period with no one.
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And I got to meet the man she married before I was born.
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And, um, his name was Bob and he was more entrepreneurial and he owned a gym and, uh, was a really nice guy and was a pilot and gave me a sense of aspiration, like what you could become, but not a lot of interaction, but I really liked him as the first one I had some interaction with, but it was very brief.
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And then very quickly she met Jim Robbins who adopted me and who I, you know, I love dearly.
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He was a semi-pro baseball player, uh, who now is working, you know, in computer chip kind of sales type of thing.
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And he and my mom were both very eclectic, crazy people.
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They go out and turn heads.
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They d be crazy, crazy.
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And they fought like crazy intensely.
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I mean, saying things and yelling things and throwing things and breaking things.
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And we live in a tiny little house.
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And, um, my mom, um,
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you know had her own room and we were in like 1200 square foot house five of us my father had to live in the living room and so it s really you get a sense how strong my mother was and my father was not this father was not a weak man um but he introduced me to sports which i always wanted to do my mom was always afraid i was so small believe it or not i was the littlest guy always
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And she was afraid I was going to get hurt.
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And she just wouldn t let me do it.
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And because he was an athlete, he said, no.
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Tony s going to do these things.
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And he s going to have these experiences.
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Jim Robbins came into my life, I think, when I was like 13 or 14 years old.
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So I was a little behind the area.
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But he would hit me ground balls, hundreds of them, for hours in the middle of the heat.
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And it was no good.
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I d get hit in the face.
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And I d start bleeding.
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He goes, come on, Tony.
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Show me some moxie.
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And I loved him so much.
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I think I had some of that in me.
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But it certainly magnified it.
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It was magnified by Jim Robbins.
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And so, uh, he was aspirational to me.
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He was a larger than life figure.
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He was a very cool person in so many ways.
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Um, but also, you know, had his difficulties.
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He had two daughters that he went through divorce and never spoke to again.
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I could never understand that.
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And it just kind of crushed my heart.
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But you know, he was from South Side of Chicago and came home one day when he was a young boy and his mother s head was in the oven, killed herself.
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So you begin to like, I had to become a kind of, you know, a psychologist at a young age, understanding all these dynamics between people I love most and why there was such conflict and why there was such pain.
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And it, it made me decide that someday
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I would be an outstanding father.
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And to me, what that meant was I d love from the heart and soul, but that I would also be able to challenge, like Jim Robbins did, and challenge any limitations so that my children would have the most magnificent life humanly possible.
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And I look at that role not just in what I do with my children, as you know.
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I look at that in what I have the privilege to do for a living.
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We think you re a pretty amazing dad, don t we?
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You certainly are, Tom.
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It s really beautiful.
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I just want to mention one thing that I m so struck by listening to you right now is the fact that a lot of times our deepest connections, they aren t necessarily always a biological family.
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Listening to you, how you describe your last father, Jim, and the impact he had on you.
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He wasn t your blood father.
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Um, and so for those of you that are listening and, you know, maybe you re adopted or from a foster family, or, you know, your father wasn t absent.
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I think what I just take away just listening to you is, um, you know, individuals in an unexpected time and place and role, uh, can affect us in a really meaningful way.
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So thank you for sharing that.
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Well, and your daddy is, as you well know, Sage is, uh, you know, is, uh,
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I m sure you ll speak about him when I step out of here.
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It s this podcast is you guys talking about fathers, not me, but thanks for inviting me and give one man s perspective.
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And that s all it is, by the way, I don t pretend to have the right answers.
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Um, if you re a father, you got to find in your heart and soul, what it means to you to be a father.
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But again, not just the dad, if you re just a dad, you re doing the easy stuff.
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You re doing the fun stuff.
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Um, and that s wonderful, but I think you ve got a responsibility of more than that.
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Most people want their children s love so much.
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They let their children,
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basically run the roost and let their children not grow to the level they can.
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And I have a sense of responsibility in me that says, I ve got to take it beyond that, even if it costs me.
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Cause to me, that s true.
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Unconditional love.
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It s not love.
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It s a trade.
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If I m just doing things, so you like me and whatever you do, I, I do it.
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So you love me.
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And I see parents do that so often it comes from an innocent place.
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They just want to be their child s best friend.
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And I like that role too.
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But I think, uh, in my perspective, again, I m not saying it s the right one,
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And you can try it on if it makes sense to you gentlemen out there or anyone who s playing a father role.
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Cause sometimes as you said, honey, it s, it s a, you re a friend that stepped into a father role just by your example.
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Someone is inspired by it or they feel a warmth from you or a love from you or connection they never felt from a father.
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And that means seeing that in them more in them than they see in themselves and calling to that and not settling, you know,
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Tony, I want to ask you, and I think this, uh, you re touching on this a little bit here and some people listening might not know this, but before you go on stage, you ask for a little checklist of reminders.
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And one of the things you ask us to put at the top, you re very specific.
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The first thing on there every time is just the words, two words, warm father.
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And I m just wondering if you could tell me even, and those, all those listening, what does that mean to you?
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It must be really important for you to put it right at the top there of all the things you have to remember over six days of something.
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Why that, what does that mean?
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Because it s, to me, the most important role that you can play for someone, or one of them, anyway.
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I can t be a warm mother.
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Maybe I could.
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Maybe I do sometimes.
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I certainly have both feminine and masculine in me.
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But I look at it as, that s somebody who is completely unselfish.
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I m not there for them to give me accolades.
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I m not there so that they, I do a good job and they acknowledge me.
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You know me well enough.
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I m there to serve.
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But I m also there to serve even if it s hard.
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not just when it s easy.
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To me again, that s the difference between father and dad.
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And again, I love the dad role.
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Everybody does.
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Um, but the father role I think is almost more important because not many people take it on.
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Um, because it s not a comfortable role.
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It s a role of leadership.
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Leaders are always liked.
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Um, but they re inevitably loved if they ve really served you.
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And so, um, I put it there because I say warm father too, cause you can be an,
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come across as an intense father, even though that s not what you meant to be, because I am a passionate intense guy.
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So it s, I want people to feel that warmth and I want them to feel that love of a father, even, even if we re peers in age.
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Um, and I also use brother as my metaphor as well, but there s a higher responsibility and father to me than brother.
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I don t know if it makes sense to you guys, but it does to me.
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I hope it does to some of the men out there and or people that play a father role.
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Um, so Tone, as you mentioned, a lot of people do see you as a father figure.
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And as I mentioned, I m absolutely one of them.
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I see how you and hearing, I m so glad you shared the story of your own family history.
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I think you, I can see how you got a little bit from all those gentlemen.
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I agree.
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The entrepreneurial aspect, the moxie, the dashing good looks.
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You know, I mentioned four fathers.
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I do want to mention one other.
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I had a fifth father.
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I currently have a fifth father, father figure, and that s your daddy, honey.
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You know, he s just extraordinary.
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This is her daddy.
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I ve, I got to meet him, I guess when I was what, when he was, I was four turning 40 and I think he was at the time like 52 and now I m 62 and your daddy and your mom are just the most extraordinary human beings I know.
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I look to him as a father because he s a man of such integrity.
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He s been 50 plus, how many years sober now?
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50, what?
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Over 50 years.
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Yeah, over 50 years sober.
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Works in AA.
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I feel like he does the same work that we do.
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You know, in the middle of the night gets the call somebody s suicidal and him and mom go out and try to figure out what to do.
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You know, somebody s strung out on drugs.
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And he s, he s also had, you know, he has love and he has strength.
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He s nothing but love, but boy, he s got the strength.
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That s why, you know, if you see the guys that he coaches, they re all the guys that have been, you know, in jail for murder and prison, everything else.
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I all love your dad.
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Cause he, they know he s lived life, but he s still incredibly strong, but incredibly kind and caring, um, and give you a shirt off his back.
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And so there s very few people on earth, if I ask that, who is the ultimate father figure for me, it s your daddy.
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And I m so grateful because you played such an important role with your mommy in creating this life that s where you were, you know,
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so loved and I get the benefit of that.
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And who he is as a man is inspiring because it s real and it s raw and it s true.
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So thanks pops.
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Love you.
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Love you daddy.
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And I see a relationship now with men, some of them who are your senior, um, who feel like father figures in your life today.
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Can you speak to that a little bit and how you ve acquired them?
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There are people along the way that I ve had the privilege because I ve been doing this now 45 years.
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I look at anybody that s older than I am and I give them hierarchy or anyone, they don t have to be older, they can be younger.
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If someone has a skill set I don t have.
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I give them hierarchy.
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In the male world, hierarchy is important.
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The female world, it s not as important.
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So I think when it comes to people in my life, there are people that are both like a brother and a father.
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So Peter Guber is one of my dearest friends in the world for the last 35 years.
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I originally was like his coach, but he s 18 years my senior.
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So there are times where he feels like a father figure to me, and there are times where he feels like a brother, and we swap back that back and forth.
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And he s one of the most cherished people in my life.
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I guess the point I want to make is that everybody s your brother and everybody s your father if you can find the great qualities that make you give them a hierarchy of respect that isn t false and that s sincere.
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So I just think it s important that if you didn t have a great father, I guess the point I really want to make is don t be at a loss.
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Find some father figure find someone who you respect someone you love someone who inspires you and someone you can learn from and don t Pretend that they re gonna be perfect or expect them to because first of all, you don t even know perfect as yourself Well, you think it s perfect at 30 or 20 or 10?
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I can promise you will change but if you re not looking for perfection, but you re just looking for role models Then there are people around you who?
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Can play that role for you at the times that you need it most in it and it could flex
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Tone, you ve been a father since you were 24 years old, and now we share a 14 month old.
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I m curious, what has this little one opened in you, taught you?
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How is it different today?
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Gosh, it s different in so many ways, honey.
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Um, um, first of all, you know, when I was 24, I instantly became a father of many cause I married to a woman at the time who had three children and she had them from two different husbands.
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And so, and she wasn t living with them and I could see she wasn t happy and I was like, okay, bring all the kids.
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And I fell in love with them and adopted them into my life.
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Um, so instantly all of a sudden there were four kids and they were in every age group.
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And her eldest son, I barely got to know because he was already 17 and I was only 24, 25.
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So that was interesting, you know, um, but you know, the others were, you know, 11 and five and then, um, my first birth child coming into the world at that stage.
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So it s like, wow, there s a, here I am to try to change the world.
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And all of a sudden there s all these kids here and they re all in different stages of life and they all need them.
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And one s almost my peer age wise virtually, and they were from different fathers.
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It s like, this is like a complex world, but love can penetrate all of that.
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Love can solve all that.
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And so I fell in love with each of them.
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And they re all unique and they re all different.
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And I did my very best and I m proud of the father that I was.
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I learned a lot along the way, but you know, at the age of 61, having, you know, now 62, but when she was born in 61, having our daughter together, the three of us, which was such a unique experience to have her have two moms that love her completely and have all the life experience I have today.
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Um, it was even greater than I had hoped for a dream for.
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Um, you know, there was a stage of life where it s like, you know, honey, I said to you, I don t have a kid past 50.
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I don t want to show up at their high school graduation and be 70 years old.
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Now I m going to be 80.
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So I got, you know, I wrote life force.
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Thank God I wrote that at this stage because I need to make sure I live past a hundred here so I can be around for her 40th birthday.
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But, um, the level of joy I have today is so different.
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I think I ve always looked at each of the kids.
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I think you have to look at your children.
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as not you and not try to shape them to be you.
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But I did have certain thoughts and expectations about what they need to do, how they needed to be still, even without that.
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And I think it s very different now.
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I m much more in delight of the witness of what God has presented to us in this beautiful little soul, who she already is.
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I m because I don t have to travel as much as I was in those days.
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I m here for all those moments, her first little steps, you know, her first words of dad, dad, mama, and all those things.
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And so I get, I get the experience of being a witness to what God put there before we did any conditioning or programming or educating or anything.
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And, um, and, you know, I have very, we all three of us are in alignment of, we want our child to be completely loved, but also not want them to have expectation.
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And it s like, I think,
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That s what messes people s lives up.
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And innocently, parents very often, they re praising their child all the time.
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It s a generation.
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The last 20 years have been like that.
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Praising them, you re the best at this, you re the best at that.
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And, you know, Dr. Dweck did that great research at Stanford that shows the worst thing you can do.
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Because when you tell a kid they re beautiful, they re perfect, they re the best, and they believe it, and then they go out and find out they re not.
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It s so devastating to them that they become internalized, and then they don t take the risks that are necessary to grow.
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And so we reward our little daughter even now, as you know, for effort, you know, because everything in my life has come from unbelievable
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drive and the willingness to keep persisting effort.
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There s no replacement for that.
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Um, cause you can get the education, you can get the answers, you can get the solutions if you can persist.
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But if you expect life to just go your way, how are you going to be very disappointing?
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But it s like all of three of us are very conscious of, and I m speaking for all three of us here that like, we don t want her to every moment be showered upon because then she ll just expect that.
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And what we really want our daughter to learn is, you know, to that she s completely loved, but also that by growing and giving,
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you know, that life is about something more than her.
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And even as a child, you can have those lessons start to come.
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And so I m very conscious about her being able to self soothe.
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So it s not having to come from some external force.
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So she owns herself even at this stage, but at the same time also making sure there s music entertainment and there s natural laughter and she has the ability to explore and learn on her own.
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So there s more of a witness mode in me today.
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than probably the earlier stages of my life, a more of the grace of who she already is.
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And then being there as a presence where she knows that we re there and knows that I m there of, of love and a presence of, again, strength when it s needed.
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Uh, to me, that s what it is.
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So she s, what she s done for me is give me another level explosion of love in our life, which I didn t think there could be more than what we already share in our family here.
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Um, and, uh, she s given me a chance to, um, renew and look at life through her eyes, you know, which are very specialized, you know, she, when someday when she s out there meeting people, they ll see she s one of those people when somebody comes to the house and she stares in their eyes for like 20 minutes, it doesn t break.
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She freaks people out.
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She s like this little Buddha.
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And, um, but her presence is extraordinary.
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And I know every parent thinks their kid is amazing.
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And I m sure there s some of that that s going on here.
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But I don t know, it s a long answer to say she s a gift.
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And what s different today for me is I have more to give.
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And what s different is I m not forcing those gifts.
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I m witnessing and appreciating and shaping where the shaping maybe perceives to be valuable.
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But I wanna make sure this young woman feels loved beyond compare, but also has a sense of responsibility to life, that I m here not just to get things, I m here to give things.
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If we accomplish just those two things in our daughter, between the three of us, I think we ll have done something really beautiful for her life, and most importantly, the lives that she ll touch in whatever form that is, whatever gift she brings to this world.
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Well, if her consciousness has invited your witness to be here now and take in more of the grace of her isness, I think that s really beautiful for you, Tom.
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Thank you.
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I think that s what I mean.
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I was just going to say, I think for you to be able to appreciate and to admire and to watch her unfold and to watch her flower.
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I know from my own perspective, there s nothing more beautiful
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And I see that in you.
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I watch you just noticing and appreciating.
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And I think that s ever so lovely.
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And thanks for sharing Tone.
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Thanks for joining us today.
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Thank you.
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I m her biggest fan along with the two of you.
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I love the excitement that people can hear and the passion about this.
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Girl dad we have If you re scratching your head of why this kid has three parents you re gonna have to listen to the Mother s Day episode I m very grateful to you Mary B. You know, this is this has been a long road Sage and I together when we first met talked about having children But her doctor told her she would never have a child in a million years and then we had the experience of pregnancy and loss But for both of us, it s like how we re gonna make this happen and we didn t want a stranger
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And ironically, if you don t know the story, I won t give it all out, but plant a seed because you didn t listen.
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Um, you have to listen to mud as a podcast to find out how our dear Mary B came in to be our family and to be, um, the third parent to this child by giving her the grace of a way to be born and grow and be brought into birth.
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So I m grateful beyond compare and all you fathers out there, um,
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And I don t know if you re hard on yourself or not.
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Most men are hard on themselves.
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Women may not know that, but most men are hard on themselves.
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As hard as you think you can be on a man, most men have any sense of responsibility and have any child or heart in themselves.
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Some of them try to hide it.
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Some trying to push it away because they don t know how to deal with it.
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But I d say to you, wherever you are, pick yourself up and decide what you want to be now.
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How do you want to be as a dad now?
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And if you re not a dad right now, is there someone who needs your brotherhood or your fatherhood?
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You need your mentoring?
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Um, because every one of us has lessons.
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You don t have to be perfect.
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You don t have to be, um, a certain way.
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Everyone has lived a life, has had life experiences that are worth sharing.
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If they re coming from a place of not trying to teach, but they re coming from a place to try to love and serve and just share.
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I think most men live lives where they don t share as deeply as maybe some women do sometimes.
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That may be too big a generalization.
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It probably is.
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But I would say as an overall generalization, men keep their emotions closer, but they ll bring them to one special person that they have total trust and respect for.
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that knows that nothing they say they ll be judged by and who knows that they ve lived life.
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And so not only do they not judge them, but they understand and they can share other perspectives.
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And that s all I think we can offer each other as brothers, as men, as fathers on the path.
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And for your children, you re going to screw up.
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No, there are no professional parents.
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That s why I m in the business I m in, but I hope this conversation has been stimulating of you in some way.
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And I know the ladies are going to take it from here and share with you a woman s perspective, because both of them have extraordinary fathers that have shaped them powerfully.
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So thanks for letting me appear on the Tony Robbins podcast.
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Sage Robbins.
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You can talk to our assistant, Steve.
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They do the scheduling.
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If you might be able to come.
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We d love to have you back.
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Maybe we can make this a regular thing.
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Thanks, guys.
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Thanks, Tony.
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Love to you.
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Love to you.
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Whether it s darkness, light.
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Whether it s sadness, joy.
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I think we could tell folks about Tone and has anyone listening seen the show This Is Us?
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It just ended and we often watch that show and Tony will be the first one every time as soon as the credits roll that says, well, they got me again.
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He s always in tears at This Is Us.
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So if you re listening and you think you know who Tony Robbins is,
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Do you know that he s also the softy, the warm father, the guy who cries at pretty much every episode of This Is Us?
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So true.
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A few weeks ago, Sage and I sat right here and we recorded an episode of Conversation in honor of Mother s Day.
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And we vowed at the end of that episode that we would do the same for dear old dads.
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So here we are coming up on Father s Day.
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And we would like to throw some, send some flowers and some homage and some respect and admiration for father energy.
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Absolutely.
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Well, you know, as when we spoke about motherhood, it went larger than motherhood.
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It was the attributes of the divine feminine.
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And, uh, you know, I feel that today is really a representation of the divine masculine, which once again, this is with within all of us, whether you re male or female, uh, we have both attributes and we have access to both within us.
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You know, Tony often says, if I want you to think about your father, all I have to do is talk about mine.
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So I would love to ask you to start Sage by saying, uh, you sure have an awesome dad.
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I certainly do.
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And I wonder if you could tell people a little bit about him and what makes him him and the attributes and fundamentals of father energy, both in your own father and universally to get us started.
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My daddy.
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You know, my pops is legit.
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He is just a real embodiment of such character and integrity and absoluteness.
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And as much as he has strength, he has such a tender heart.
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He s so dear.
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And you know, his presence, even though as we were growing up through life, you know, he worked multiple jobs supporting the family.
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And even if he wasn t physically present, my father s presence was always felt.
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One of the things I enjoy and so appreciate about my daddy is I can walk into a room and we can just make eye contact and no words even exchanged, you know?
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And there s so much said in that space.
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Even today I called and I was like, hey pops, and he s like, hey sweetheart, how you doing?
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He s like, here s your mother, you know, like, that s it.
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Like, you know, he s a strong, silent type of dad.
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In fact, some of my sisters met him at a seminar one time.
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They sat next to him for like four days and he didn t say too much.
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In fact, my sister said, we weren t sure if he could talk.
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Like, yeah, he can.
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He just chews not too often.
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I love that guy.
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I sure love Daddy Bill.
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So that s your dad.
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And let s now go a little broader.
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Go 30,000 feet and say last time we talked about how this universal mother is compassionate.
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She s nurturing.
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Talk to me a little bit about what this universal father that lives in all of us regardless of whether you have children regardless of what gender you are Or what gender you re not this is something that is this pattern, you know, we talked about archetypes and whether we go back to psychology and Jungian psychology or the
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And even Tony will talk about this basis of so much intelligence is really just pattern recognition.
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So these archetypes that have been around in mythology, in psychology, and still exist today, whether it s father, mother, child,
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teacher, scribe, king, queen, sage, mystic.
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I mean, the list goes on, but there s some real basic ones.
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One is the father.
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What sage would you say are some fundamental aspects of the universal father archetype?
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Well, gosh, speaking of archetypes, I just have to reference that, you know, all the metaphors that you gave, all the stories and the sacred texts, you know, they re all a reflection of what s available inside of us.
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And Mary did such a beautiful job representing that, you know, no matter what gender we come in, that both energies are available within us.
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And so, you know, uh, when I think of that energy with inside me, I ll speak for myself as a woman.
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You know, that masculine presence or energy feels clarity, responsibility, strength, and yet not just physical strength, you know, strength of focus, determination, resilience.
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And creative energy, like creation of fruition of seeing something through, is where I recognize that energy with inside myself, and I recognize and appreciate that energy within these beautiful men that God has placed around me, including my father.
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That s right, and you speak to this wholeness and this harmony that is within all of us.
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It s the yin and yang, whatever words you want to put to it, but these are undeniably within all of us on some spectrum.
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sliding scale, however you see it, that we have access to at moments when we need it.
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And if the feminine is traditionally this cyclical thing, the masculine is traditionally this linear, it s structured, it brings order.
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So Sage, I ask you,
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We re just new mothers.
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Tony is, this is the first little baby that you and Tony have together.
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We re seeing Tony as a father of a little child for the first time.
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Tony Robbins is a phenomena.
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Anybody who s listening is a fan of his, I would guess.
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And he is such a force.
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What can you tell folks, though, about who shows up here at home when this little baby crawls into the room?
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Well, Tony is definitely, he is a force of nature and has a vast embodiment and expression of masculine energy and all those attributes that we just described.
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And beautifully, he s probably one of the most tender hearted
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uh, in tune, sensitive, connected men that I ve ever met.
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Uh, he s such a softy.
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Um, he s the first one to cry in movies or watching a commercial or if he s reading, maybe somebody, uh, you know, writes a letter of gratitude or something of how his path or his work or his mission has impacted somebody.
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Tony will be sitting there weeping.
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I mean, he just, he has that, uh, beautiful sensitivity.
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It s actually one of the things I love
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about him is he has like extremes and then there s, you know, the extreme of the masculine extreme of this access to this, you know, sensitivity and feminine energy.
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And yet in that middle point, what I consider to be tone, just the guy that s here in this home, that s a father, his love and care and sensitivity and service.
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even how you refer to Tony, like you called Tony here in the house, Tony is tone out there in the world.
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We know that he s Tony Robbins, banana hands, six foot seven hulking mass.
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Um, but here in the house, like just as an example, this happened last night, true story.
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Tony is going to see the Celtics warriors game.
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So if you re tuned into the NBA finals, you might see
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A crazy man.
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I m a super fan.
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That s Tony Robbins for sure.
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But he, you know, when he was traveling, you know, baby monitors have evolved in such now that they re apps on your phone.
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And so Tone called Sage last night as we were putting baby down and, you know, baby was going to bed, maybe had a little moment.
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She s teething.
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And so Tone called us nearly in tears.
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Like, hey, I was just watching the baby monitor, you guys.
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Is she okay?
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She s really crying.
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And I don t know that people would know that that guy, this guy that we know and love so much,
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um, has access to all these different parts of him.
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One of the beautiful gifts of the masculine is because, you know, a lot of times it s portrayed as something else.
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A lot of times in society, uh, it can be betrayed as, you know, dominance or possessiveness or, you know what I mean?
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Um, more that aggression warrior, but that s one facet of it only.
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Well, it s just like, you know, in both perspectives, there s unconscious parts, you know, in both perspectives, you know, can be unconscious or conscious.
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And I think one of the beautiful aspects of the masculine is actually the servitude to his beloveds, to his family, to his community.
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and watching Tone at this stage of his life, father and love.
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Our little one is, it s just such a sweet space.
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It s such a unexpected tenderness and yet not unexpected because I experienced that with my own father.
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That strength and that juxtaposition of strength and sweetness, strength and
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and tenderness.
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I think it s such a beautiful portrayal.
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And a lot of times as human beings, we can get locked, you know, or out of balance would be probably more accurate.
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Out of balance, maybe another way to say it is over overuse or over dependence on one stripe.
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Yes.
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And yet when I recognize with inside myself or even with inside Tony or even my own father, it s that middle ground, you know, of not this or that, but both perspectives.
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I think what was so
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um, beautiful, uh, by a lot of individuals, a lot of men specifically that listened to the, um, our previous, uh, conversation about motherhood was them recognizing that energy with inside themselves.
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And, you know, you and I spoke about this and it just felt, the freedom that it gives, that it s like, gosh, this isn t gender dependent.
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Any great warrior, you know, that has a lot of that yang energy, so beautiful at a stage of life.
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I think that s the gift probably of age is a lot of times wisdom starts to drop in.
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And, you know, I ve seen my father at this stage of his life, cry more, you know, in his gosh, in his seventies than probably he did in his
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you know, fifties, and that s so beautiful on him, but also for him, you know, to see those parts integrate.
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And I can relate to that inside my own self as well, more of a balance and integration of the two rather than a, a this or that.
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And contextually, I think life at times calls out different attributes or different parts.
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It certainly does.
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One other lesson that Tony often brings to the forefront at seminars is he ll ask this question.
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Whose love did you crave?
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Your mother s or your father s and then the follow-up question is usually who did you have to be?
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So I ask you that question and I hope everyone listening also Whose love did you crave and who did you have to be?
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And if it s not if you re not from a two-parent household There s a caretaker in your life whoever that may be and there was someone that you were trying to please as a child and how does that show up?
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in adulthood and how does that carry out just so people can frame how they think of fathers and the shaping of their lives?
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Well, my father gave me a great freedom to be and express who I am no matter what that looked like.
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Um, and a beautiful acceptance of that.
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You know, one of the traits or, um, experiences that I referenced as a, as you know, from my father growing up, as I ve mentioned before, he was in AA or he is in AA.
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And he always put his cards on the table, the good, the bad, the indifferent, his misses, maybe things that, you know, uh, one may hide.
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Uh, you know, my dad was always so transparent.
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He was like, look, when I drank.
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Yeah, I remember being in grade one and my teacher asked me my last name and my full name.
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And she s like, gosh, she s like, is your father s name X?
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And I said, yes.
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And she s like, oh my gosh, you tell him that my, you know, my name is Mrs. Kosh, I believe it was.
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So I went home and I was like, dad, you know, she mentioned for me to ask this of you.
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And he s like, oh my gosh, he s like, I was drunk.
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I stole her father s car.
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And he s like, me and a couple of friends, we drove down in our hometown.
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And he s like, I literally drove the car through the hotel in our small town.
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And he shared, you know, he had been there, done that in his life, but there was a beautiful admission of truth that I think, you know, through the path of AA that created a container of transparency.
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And room to grow.
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And that s exactly, room to grow and the recognition that, gosh, we all evolve, you know.
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And so that gave, I never recognized it back then, but at this stage of my life, I really recognized that, gosh, that gave me permission.
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And it s not that we need permission, but the example of that really had such a huge impact on me.
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And I think that s also what s so beautiful as we re speaking about father and mother.
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is, you know, a lot of times innocently we can fix them who we believe them to be, you know, who we believe they were.
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And I, one of the most beautiful and cool experiences of my adult life is actually just getting to know the guy, getting to know my dad as a person, getting to know my mom as, as a woman, not who I believe they were, but
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but who they are here now.
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And I, you know, it s, it s beautiful to drop, you know, the narratives or to drop our stories or to be willing to actually, if they were just sitting in a coffee shop and you walked in and it s like, Hey, nice to meet you.
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And have that curiosity about, you know, the ones that brought us into this existence.
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That s been a really beautiful, fresh and cool perspective with my own father and mother.
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When you say fix them, I want to clarify for listeners too, you mean like we kind of get them stuck.
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Like if you were to take a freeze frame or a Polaroid picture and we fix them as in, that s it.
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We take this little snapshot, this little finite picture of them, and then that becomes all they ever are, all they ever were, all they ever will be.
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And you so beautifully have taught me this lesson.
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In my own life, my dad passed away 20 years ago pretty suddenly.
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He went out to play golf one day like he always did, waved goodbye, said he d be home for dinner and had a heart attack and that was it.
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My mom said, dad didn t come home for dinner.
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We thought maybe his car broke down or he stopped to help somebody s car who broke down and he was just out there.
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That was the time that
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Um, that s how life went for him.
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And so of course losing my dad at 20, 23 years old, I think certainly I struggled after that with questions like so many people who either never had a dad or their dad either left or was absent or died.
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You know, there s so many, um, symbolic stories of,
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people searching for this lost father figure in their life and struggling with still pleasing their dad, even whether they re there or not.
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And you and Tony have done a lot of work with me personally.
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I ve seen you do it in seminars, and that s always beautiful to watch people heal these relationships with father and mother.
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But I do want to say personally, for me, it s just been one of the greatest gifts, maybe the greatest gift that you guys have given to me through this work and the learnings that I do here.
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on the job is that, um, you ve helped me see my father and you ve, and you ve put those words to it.
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Like, well, there s this, there s this guy, like it s in how Sage talks about these stickies or post-it notes that we put all over people, especially to our mom and dad.
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Maybe we would just have one that s like dad.
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And we have all these expectations of what, you know, this idealized father should be.
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And then there s this guy who s just doing the best he can that became a dad.
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Um, and I know it sounds so simple, but it s all until you kind of broke that down for me.
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It s true.
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I know that I was, I picture this guy who like, I m one of six kids.
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He had six kids.
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I just think about any, you know, the dude, the guy that s there, like, Oh, now that we re parents too, I sometimes had the feeling like, Oh my goodness, I can t believe I m somebody s mom.
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And so I would imagine that there is
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Feelings like people often say you don t get a manual, an owner s manual, when you become a parent.
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You just, we feel into these things and we have to figure it out.
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And so my takeaway, and I urge anyone listening, two things really.
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One,
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I don t have to say it, but I will.
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You never know when your parents are gonna leave your life.
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If you re lucky enough to have them right now, I know it s personal and close to home for me, but I ll just say like, they could be there and you could say see you later and they could be gone.
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So if there s anything that you would wish you had tidied up, if you knew they were gonna be gone, I say do it.
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And you taught me that too.
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And I ve cleaned up even the relationship with my mother because,
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I know that fact of life to be true.
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Like it s, it s not a given.
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Tomorrow s not a given.
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It could be taken away so fast.
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And then man, like these people that gave us life, mom and dad, can you explain how, like the lesson that you gave me there about the guy, the person, what can you say to people listening to just help them see with fresh eyes?
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Like you did for me, for my mom and my dad.
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Well, uh, maybe you re giving me a lot of credit and I don t know that I, I gave you anything.
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You really gave it to yourself by starting to notice.
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I think, you know, one of the most beautiful things, Mare, is how close your daddy is here now.
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Um, there s so many times of moments where, uh, I always know when you re referencing your father about how you light up and how alive he is with you.
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and just your willingness to see a broader perspective of him, to understand or experience a broader perspective of him, even though he s gone.
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I m so struck by how alive he is in your life.
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And you do that.
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You do that by honoring him.
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You do that by, you know, whether it s, you know, whether you re golfing or
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making a dish or something, you know, you always share the narrative, gosh, you know, my dad used to do this and he did it this way.
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And it always strikes me how alive he is here now.
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And I just have to share that because, you know, a lot of times for those of us that have lost loved ones, you know, we believe that, you know, they re completely gone.
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And I think it s so beautiful, um, how you ve navigated that, but also how you ve expanded that within your own heart and mind.
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to include not just the father, but the husband, the guy, the brother, and understanding him from different perspectives.
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I think that s probably one of the most beautiful gifts because through identity,
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No different than, you know, the identity of father or the identity of mother.
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We have unconscious expectations of that or believe that they should be a certain way or behave a certain way.
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And they re just human beings like you and I doing the best they can.
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You know what I mean?
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We re all in this experience together.
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And, you know, you d mentioned Byron Katie s metaphor about stickies.
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And, you know, it s, it s through life as we have impressions, we can put stickies over the person, you know, like, uh, over the individual in our own mind.
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And it s like, you know, we come to a point where we actually aren t even seeing or recognizing who they are anymore.
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And so I think life is really, uh, you know, an opportunity to come back home and, uh, to be open, to perceive more accurately.
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And I have been moved by how you ve navigated that with your own father.
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And how, you know, the awakeness that life can change in a moment and that it s so precious and we have no clue what tomorrow is going to bring, nevermind an hour from now.
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That, you know, our beloveds, our parents, our grandparents, you know, our spouses, whomever it is that, you know, we have the privilege to say thank you.
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to say, to share, I love you, what is sincere inside of our hearts and not wait for a perfect time, not wait for tomorrow, because we sincerely don t know what tomorrow is going to bring.
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And I ve watched the deepening for you, Mary, with your mama as well, and getting to know her, you know.
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I am grateful for the lessons that you taught me and I m also aware that there s also kind of a natural trajectory that all humans, you know, if there s life cycles that we all pass through in this lifetime, childhood, young adult, maturity, elder.
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And through that, you know, Tony, if you ve been with him a while, I m sure you ve heard him recommend two books.
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He often gives his seal of approval and that s Generations and The Fourth Turning by Bill Strauss and Neil Howe.
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Neil Howe was actually just at our house a couple of weeks ago and Tony and Neil had a conversation.
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In fact, that will be one of the upcoming podcast episodes.
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So if you re a history or demographics buff, you ll want to listen to that one.
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I was listening and Neil had said something like, you know, who you are is almost always the opposite of how you were raised because this universal thing is every generation kind of declares war on their parents.
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And there s this push away.
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It s part of our journey in our, you know, the hero s journey or the heroine s journey.
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You push away from your mom and dad.
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And then I think if you re lucky and wise and you grow out of some things and
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and strip away some ego, you come back to realizing, wow, you come back to that mom and dad that you once swore off and tried to go in every other direction.
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So I know that there is a natural ebb and flow to this relationship.
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Um, but again, I, I just, you guys do so much work with healing the relationship between kids and their parents.
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Um, and I just love to hear more input from you about that push away and return.
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And what, what can you give if anybody is having any kind of strain relationship out there with their dad or mom or anyone?
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Well, you know, I think there s resistance and push, I ll speak for myself, is, you know, as a younger version in my teens, it s like, I m not that, but it s just ego mind of having resistance and judgment of what we believe maybe somebody projecting their
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uh, you know, philosophy or way of life.
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And we resist that because we don t have enough life experience to actually know.
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Cause so much it s, it s like, you know, even listening to yourself, Mary, it s like now that you re a mom and it s like, you relate to your parents differently.
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You know, once you re married, once you have children, it s like, Oh my gosh, all the things that I said I would never do all the things I d said I would never be.
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Uh, and so my shirt in the other day and I was like, Oh my gosh, I ve become my father.
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But that s so beautiful, you know, that s the beautiful cycle of life and, you know, it s always there.
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That was always there and available, but through my own, you know, immaturity or resistance of wanting to be, you know, my own identity, whatever that means.
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Um, you know, you, you push and you pull and, and then you surrender and accept and actually, uh, recognize, I think for myself, it was the recognition that, gosh, we re not so different.
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Like they re going through this human experience just like I am.
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And I think that that s where the.
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the innocent or the ignorance of, you know, believing that, you know, they re supposed to do something for me because they re my mother, because they re my father.
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And it s like, oh my gosh, like what a gift to have them.
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What a gift that God bless me with their presence, with all the lessons, all the gifts, good, bad, and indifferent, you know?
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And then just seeing them for who they are today, you know, that s an opportunity for wholeness for ourselves, nevermind for them.
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But life is always completing itself.
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And if we re willing, you know, there s always an opportunity for life to come full circle.
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You know, if we re here and alive, somebody took care of us.
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Even when I m, you know, changing our little one, it amazes me.
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I m like, Oh my gosh, somebody, my parents did this for me.
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They fed me, they bathed me.
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It s, you know, they.
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provided a home for, for, for me to exist, like what generosity, you know, what servitude, you know, my father worked, my, my mama was there, whether she was, whatever happened, whether she made us a lunch to go to school, like that, that love, how, um, it was offered and innocently as children, we can take that for granted because it s there.
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Yep.
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And I hope this series of podcasts and conversations get you thinking about the relationship you had with your mom and dad.
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And if you, like you said, I know now that we have a child, it s like, holy moly, this is hard work.
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Somebody did all this.
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for us to be where we are.
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And also I, you know, coming in to sit down here, we even had, we had, we questioned ourselves and we said, you know, what do we, what can us two new moms speak to about fathers?
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And I think it s important to look like 360 degrees all around.
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Like for example, we love our daddies and many people will say you re a daddy s girl or you re a father s daughter or,
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Just like there s archetypes and patterns, there s ways that we kind of tend to slant.
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And so I also ask you to consider, like, if you had a parent s love that you craved or one that you were closer with, look at the parent that maybe isn t the one that s your sweetheart and question, like, what you re pushing away in yourself or what you have made wrong or judged.
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about them and see what, do you understand what I m driving at?
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You could probably make more sense than I can here.
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You know, if we re externally demonizing something outside of ourselves, whether it be men or in women, we can t, well, not that we can t, because we can.
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But we re really therefore making them that energy wrong inside of ourselves.
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And there s gifts of both energies and how they express and how they animate.
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And there s blind spots to both energies as well.
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And I think when you recognize that, there s just a compassion, you know, there s just a compassion to know that, gosh, you know, we are here to evolve.
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We are here to grow.
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We are here and life gives us an opportunity to,
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to see life through a broader lens and to have more inclusiveness within, therefore we re able to have more inclusiveness on the external world as well.
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I just feel that no matter what, for those of you who are listening to this and thinking of your parents and that we re thinking of the guardians that raised you, or that didn t, you know, maybe you were, you know, maybe you re a foster child or you were an adopted child and
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You know, it s just an opportunity to inquire within and get to know that externally and as well internally, because once again, this is all happening inside of us, you know, the father principle, the mother principle, and recognizing that no matter what gender we come in, that both those perspectives exist.
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And at times one can be overused or at times one can be out of balance.
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You know, it s not even a choice.
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It s just a happening.
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Contextually, life at times demands different things from us.
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And that doesn t make me masculine.
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That doesn t make me feminine.
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That makes me a human being with access to these beautiful energies and this aliveness and these beautiful attributes that express and animate as us through us.
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You know, if you subscribe to the Tony Robbins newsletter, you may have gotten an email just last week, we sent it out, that describes the four quarters, this idea of mature masculine that has the king, the magician, the warrior, and the lover.
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And important just as we all have both masculine and feminine We also like a great king is also a playful magician is also a great lover is also You know the strong warrior they overlap and we re all these things blended and that s what gives us the harmony and wholeness That I think we all really strive for especially in our own evolution and maturity something to think about when
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Tony talks about beliefs that shape our entire world and our model of the world, and one kind of beliefs are global beliefs, and those are big, overarching generalizations that we make.
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An example of global beliefs are men are, women are, mothers are, fathers are,
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So I invite you listening to see what you believe about some of those words and see if that s most accurate, if there s something that s as true or truer about big swaths of human beings like men or fathers.
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and see if it s your own stuff coming up, if you re living and believing out of a place of old wounds and what could you make room for today as you evolve and grow and so does your definition that you put to those categories.
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of humans.
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Very true, Mary.
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As I was getting ready and just thinking of these beautiful men that I have around me, and they express and animate differently.
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And, you know, Tony would, somebody might perceive him to be that type of warrior type energy.
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My father, similar, a dear friend, Billy Beck, my brother, you know, all these really very, what people would perceive externally as masculine men.
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Sometimes, you know, I ll watch Tony with some of the men in our inner world and the dynamic
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And the beauty of them mirroring and you know, I think it s just so gorgeous because really a lot of times it s that mirror ship.
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It s what the other hasn t claimed with inside oneself, you know?
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And I think it s such a beautiful perspective and Tony is such a love.
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One of the things that really struck me about Tone was how
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he expressed his affection and care and respect of other men.
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You know, sometimes a lot of men, they can kind of bro it out and it s like, you know, they fist bump or, you know, things of that nature.
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But, you know, a lot of times they don t allow themselves to come as close to express and convey what they really feel.
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And one of the things that I adored about him in the beginning was actually how he expressed his affection, his appreciation, and would hug a man.
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You know, there s no filter there.
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And that moved me so deeply because I just feel it s accurate when we drop who we think we re supposed to be in this masculine guy and, oh no, you know what I mean?
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And only a fist bump and a fist bump is cool too.
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But also, you know, when love is the base, it s beautiful to be able to express that in more diverse ways.
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And he does that as beautiful as any man I ve ever met.
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Without reservation.
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Yes.
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There s no physical standoffishness with Tone and other men.
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Hugs, kisses.
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He does.
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We ve seen him kiss bald men right on the head in the audience.
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He does.
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I ll share another moment, a very dear friend of mine who s a gay man, you know, he had said that when Tony hugged him, he hugged him without a filter.
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He hugged him without a hold back.
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And he said, like, he had never been held in that way, not by his own father.
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And he said how deeply healing that was for him, that, you know, a lot of times, you know, straight men or masculine straight men, that they won t, you know, express that love if a man is gay.
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And he said, like, you know, when Tony hugged me in that picture,
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Afterwards he wept because he felt so healed by that expression.
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Sometimes fathers get locked into that perspective of like tyrannical father, but there s this kind, benevolent, protective, loving, warm father.
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And that s what we re trying to honor and bring attention to also today.
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Amen, Mary B. Anything else you d like to add about your husband, the softie, the warm father?
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Oh my gosh.
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Just his, he s a beautiful embodiment of the masculine of fatherhood, of servitude.
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He s a protector, he s a lover, he s a giver, he serves, has such strength and clarity, responsible to life, not as a burden, but in service to life and those around him.
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He s the embodiment of fatherhood and also he s tone and just that guy in there that, you know, had such conviction and fortitude and clarity.
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and has created this life, co-created this life.
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You know, Tony, many people can project because he comes in this big six foot seven, you know, stature.
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Gorilla suit.
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And the unexpectedness of how life expresses as him, and I think it s
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beautiful, you know, in society as human beings, whether you re male, whether you re female, just giving ourselves permission to tap in and to tune in and to, you know, access these different parts of ourselves because it s all life expressing itself so perfectly.
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I think that s part of this human experience and evolution is tuning ourselves and coming home to a kinder perspective rather than locking ourselves that we need to be a certain way.
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I ll speak for myself.
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You said I think in evolution, that is the name of the game.
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I think that s what we re doing here.
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So evolution, growth, integration, wholeness, harmony within.
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That s when we talk about the counterpart of the mother as the father.
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I just wanted to say thank you to all the men, all the brothers on this path in my own life.
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I m ever so grateful for your presence and the gift that you bring to me and my beloveds.
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Thank you and blessings to those on all you fathers out there for Father s Day, whether you re a brother, whether you re an uncle, whether you re a big brother, a foster parent, whether you re a mentor or a coach and, you know,
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a sports team or such things.
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Just, you know, bless you for your presence and know that your presence makes a difference to those around you.
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Thank you and Happy Father s Day.
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Happy Father s Day to all the dads out there.
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My big brothers, I think a little special shout out to my two big brothers.
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Mine too.
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Yeah.
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Thanks for listening.
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Thanks for joining everybody.
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We look forward to our next conversation and time together.
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See you next time.
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God bless.
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The Tony Robbins Podcast is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by the Tony Robbins team.
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Copyright Robbins Research International.