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Hey, everybody, it s Tony Robbins.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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Listen, for the last 45 years, yes, 45 years, I ve been focused on the subject of how do you help people increase the quality of their life?
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Whether it be increase the quality of their business or their relationships or their finances.
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And one of the things I ve learned is that communication is the basis of all relationships, whether it s business or personal.
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And we re all great communicators when we re not stressed.
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But we live in a world where the demands are constant, and we kind of get trained into having that part of our nervous system known as the sympathetic system.
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If you don t know it, it s the part that makes you go, go, go, go.
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It s that adrenalized part, kind of dominate our lives.
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And one thing I ve learned is in business, for example, the chokehold on the growth of a business is always the leader.
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It s the psychology and the skills of the leader.
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And in your personal life, the quality of your life really comes down to the quality of your communications and your relationships.
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What makes somebody a great communicator is being able to hear what s not being said.
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But when you re stressed, you don t hear other people.
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You re not even able to listen.
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You think you re listening, but you re really just trying to get the job done.
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And so one of the most valuable skills is to manage our psychology.
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I ve always say psychology is 80% of success and skills 20%.
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And I think meditation, for me, when I used to hear about meditation, my mindset was, it s a waste of time.
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My meditation would be going on a run, which, by the way, is a form of meditation.
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I like to be physical.
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I like to be in movement, kind of a dynamic meditation, what I do.
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Sitting still to meditate just didn t seem real to me.
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It just felt like a waste of time.
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And trying not to think thoughts, well, good luck with that.
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But I started to create a way that worked for me, which I call priming.
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And I do it every single morning, no matter how busy I am.
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I know how busy you are, too.
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And so you don t have to be a meditator.
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You don t have to have some giant spiritual outcome.
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But if you want the best you to show up for your family, for your friends, for your business, and for yourself, I think it s important to find a daily practice.
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And meditation comes in many forms.
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I mean, it s really important for us to realize that in life, you don t experience life.
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None of us do.
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We experience the life we pay attention to.
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We experience what we focus on.
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You know, the human brain basically has three skills.
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It distorts, it deletes, and generalizes.
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If you re really angry, you have to delete all the things you could be happy about.
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If you re really, really happy, you have to delete all the things you re going to be pissed off about.
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And so whatever we focus on, wherever our focus goes, that s where energy flows.
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And learning to direct our attention or our focus is really what this is about, so that you experience the quality of life that you really desire and deserve for yourself and for the people you want to serve.
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And that only happens if you can do a reset.
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And so one of the best people I know of on the planet to talk about this, of course, is my wife, Sage.
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She is a walking, living, we call her Sage for a reason.
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She just has this beautiful state about her.
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I am the largest beneficiary of this woman s gorgeous love, but her ability to stay in the center of things, and we ve traveled together.
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of my 45 years for 22 years in the most crazy way.
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Most people would never be able to handle it in a trillion years going, you know, to 115 cities in a year and sometimes 12, 16 countries and be in every time zone and still be in your center and give your best.
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And so I really want her to share with you this along with my partner in crime here, Mary B. They re the two best people I know to share this with you.
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But I wanted to let you know how important I think the subject is before they begin with you.
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They re going to walk you through many ways to look at this that I think will be really useful.
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But I know a lot of people, I know if someone said, oh, this is going to be a podcast on meditation, I d be out of here in the past.
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But today, I don t look at it as that.
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I think it is, this is a podcast on how to direct your attention.
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Because right now, that s the most valuable thing you have.
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And you look around, we re no longer in an information society.
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That died a long time ago.
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There s too much information.
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We re drowning information.
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We re starving for wisdom.
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But that wisdom is within you when you can calm the mind and when you can stop giving everyone else your focus and attention and direct it to what matters most.
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So without further ado, let me pass the ball to my two favorite humans on the planet, Sage Robbins and Mary B.
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Well, I m touched, Tony Robbins.
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I love you, sweetheart.
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You re amazing.
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And I just want you to know that my attention s on you in this moment, and my heart is flooded, and I love you so dearly.
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I m so spoiled rotten.
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I m the luckiest man alive.
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I love you with all my soul.
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So I know I m passing you to someone who will be beloved to you because she is a beloved human being.
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She treats all human beings with such love and trust and respect and honor.
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God comes through her only always.
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And Mary B is absolutely the same.
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This is our family going out there to have an impact together.
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So the ball is yours.
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Take it away.
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I love you.
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Thank you, honey.
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Love you, sweetheart.
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Whether it s darkness, light.
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Whether it s sadness, joy.
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It is May of 2022, which means it is World Meditation Month.
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Did you know that, Sage Robbins?
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You know, you informed me.
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Hello, everyone.
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Well, we are like hurtling toward the halfway point of 2022.
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Can you believe it?
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It feels like we re just in 2020.
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Why does time go so fast?
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Could it perhaps be because we need a little more mindfulness?
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We need a little more meditation in our life.
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If I was a little more present, would it feel like I was getting everything out of these days?
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What do you think?
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Well, gosh, that s a beautiful question.
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You know, I think the gift of meditation is, it does, it brings us here now.
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It s calling our attention back to this moment.
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You know, in life, through busyness and through external activity, we can miss, you know, we can miss the beauty of the simplicity of moments that life is offering us.
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And I think that s the beautiful blessing of having a practice is it starts to tune our awareness or our attention to this moment here now.
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I like when you call it a practice because that s something that I can get my head around, like soccer practice.
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Let me just start by saying, we jumped right in here and I ll start by saying one of us is a meditator.
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The other one would like to be, but admittedly it s like, I think it s great.
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Although I don t do much of it myself, but I thought that we thought that that would be relevant to you out there listening.
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Cause I think some of you listening will be diligent seasoned meditators and others will be more of my camp.
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Like it s halfway through the year.
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My resolution was to meditate and I still haven t.
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done it.
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So Sage, you are the resident expert in this conversation.
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Well, I, you know, I, I wouldn t say certainly I m an expert.
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I feel like a baby on the path.
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And, uh, but you know, I m happy to share my experience and I definitely have a passion for it.
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And a lot of times I think when, you know, I remember before I started and I thought like I had this identity, I m not a meditator.
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Um, and yet we re all meditative in moments.
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You know, there s times where we slow down.
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And I think when we slow down, our energies naturally come towards our center.
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And, uh, whether it s, you know, going for a walk on the beach or whether it s looking, uh, at the waves or, or, you know, watching your puppy breathe or play with a toy in the morning or being with your little one, there s those moments where life slows down and there s a different level of connectivity to the moment.
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And I think that that is meditation.
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I watch our, you know, our little one, our daughter every day.
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And honestly, she is so schooled me.
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I mean, she ll literally sit in her high chair sometimes and just gaze off into, I mean, into nothingness.
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And I don t know what she s experiencing, but it s a very, it amazes me because that s a very meditative,
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state.
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I can do that.
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And you do, but you do.
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And I think that that s a beautiful gift for those out there that are saying, I m not a meditator or you Mayor that believes that you re not a meditator.
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There is the formality of, you know, having a sit or having an intention of sitting down.
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And we re going to certainly discuss that today.
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Uh, but gosh, I ve,
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I ve done all sorts of meditations, walking meditations, nature meditation, breath meditation, heart meditation, you know, mindfulness meditations where that s more active.
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There s, you know, dynamic ones where you dance and, you know, you experience your energy up high and then you allow it to, you know, drop in.
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I think that, you know, life is diverse enough.
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And what s so wonderful, it s not one particular path for anybody.
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I think that s what s so beautiful.
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I think that s what s so meaningful about us coming together and having a conversation is, you know, we re coming together and bringing our life experience.
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I really recognize that.
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I really believe we all are in moments when we slow down enough to notice what life is offering us here now.
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Okay, I have a few things to say to that.
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Number one, you and Tony often tease me that I m kind of the slow one around here.
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In fact, my nickname, my mascot, my spirit animal is often the sloth, which comparatively to Tony Robbins and Sage Robbins, I think I m not doing so bad.
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It s all relative.
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However, even as someone whose nature might be a little slow and watery,
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I never, my thoughts seem to never move faster than when I actually sit down and try to meditate.
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And as Tony would say, with anything that you re undertaking, what s the first question you should ask yourself is what is your outcome?
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What is, what s your outcome?
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Said differently, what s the result that you re after when you sit down in that chair, kneel down, however you do it, what are you, I m asking you too, like what,
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What is the result that you re after?
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When you stand up for meditation 15 minutes later, how do you know that you ve accomplished what you set out to do when you went in there in the first place?
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I don t know that it s necessarily a result per se.
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I think there s a lot that s happening in the realm of invisible forces.
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I mean, you had yesterday, we re having a conversation, getting ready for this.
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And you had mentioned that I think it was Stanford had said that meditation benefits peace or affects your blood pressure.
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Every, every great reputable university has said it.
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Harvard said it, Stanford said it, Oxford s anything Mayo Clinic,
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There is no shortage of proof, scientific evidence that meditation is, it can lower your blood pressure, it can reduce your stress, it can add gray matter to the parts of your brain where you want gray matter and take away it where you don t.
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It s not like I need another reason to do it, I m just not doing it.
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I just find every excuse and it s often like, hey, I m not good at this.
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Well, a couple things.
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I mentioned earlier about not necessarily having a result, even though I think there are many gifts of it.
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But the majority of the time, it s just to be here now and notice what this beautiful life is offering.
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Another is also, you know, helping to unravel thoughts.
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you know, thoughts that are no longer serving and to meditate on one s, you know, my own response or reaction to something, uh, to have more of a sincere, um, or broader perception of a moment or of a interaction, uh, that s an active and a dynamic and a living meditation.
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Um, and I think that, you know, from that perspective, that helps to create
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space.
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So, you know, rather than result, maybe it s just the benefits and the gifts, uh, there s tangible and intangible, and you can speak about the science or I can speak about my experience.
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Um, but I think that there s, uh, I think when there s so much, uh, demanding our attention externally, I think it s a beautiful gift to give to oneself to come back to this moment and to notice even just to even close your eyes and to hear your own breath.
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You know, to connect to, I m alive here in this moment and my body s being breathed.
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That s a miracle.
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You know, and so sometimes it s the simplicity of that gratitude that reconnects or recalibrates for myself.
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So I don t know if it s so much a result.
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as much as an experience, and that experience can be vast, especially when you drop the expectation that it should be a something, because mine might see it as a nothing.
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I don t know if that translates.
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You re making me feel better, because you know me, I think, in life to be, I m not a skeptical, cynical person.
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I m, in fact,
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irrationally optimistic in most all other areas, except perhaps meditation, because I sit down and when you talk about invisible forces, it s like thoughts of certainly invisible forces.
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So the thought parade starts
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cruising by.
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Then it s like, oh, I got an itch on my cheek.
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Oh, I can t, my back hurts.
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I mean, just like, and then, and then it comes to self-judgment because it just feels like these excuses.
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And then it s like,
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I can t meditate.
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That s it.
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I m unlovable.
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I m an imposter.
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I m stupid.
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I mean, it escalates quickly.
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And I suppose from what my limited understanding of meditation mindfulness is, is that s exactly the reason why we meditate in the first place is to become aware
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of the craziness of our thoughts.
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You know, I think if we re honest, we ve all been there, you know, we ve all had those moments of beating ourselves up or had those moments of judging ourself or judging another, because mind judges, you know, it just goes, it just, it s this constant, you know, narrative.
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And so, you know, I, I don t know, I think adding that,
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extra layer of, you know, continual defense and trying to hold up an identity.
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There s so much, you know, a phraseology these days is imposter syndrome.
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And it s so innocent because it s like, am I an imposter?
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It s like, no, I m, I m human.
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I experienced this, that and the other.
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You know, I ve got a kind heart.
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I m a love and I m grateful and I appreciate life.
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And sometimes I can be frustrated or be selfish or be, because that s part of the human experience in a moment.
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You know, does that define me?
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No.
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You let it go and you come back home to our nature, which is love.
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which is joy, which is ease or grace and extend that.
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And I think we re innately internally and our nature, we re all that it s just, you know, it gets covered with conditioning, it gets covered with wounds or life experience.
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And I think that s one of the gifts of this evolution of life is we all get to, you know, find our way back to a deeper truth and experience, uh, you know, a broader perspective and kinder reality of life.
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You and Tony have a friend, Ellen Langer, and I ve heard her, she s, people call her the mother of mindfulness.
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And she is the first tenured Harvard professor in this, female Harvard professor, very bright woman.
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And she, I ve heard her say like, we re there, but we re not really there.
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Like when someone has asked her what mindfulness is,
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I certainly know that feeling and that s something like my outcome would be I want that clarity of experience and clarity of mind and presence.
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And so I don t know if mindfulness and meditation are kind of all in the same.
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I clump them all together.
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Yes.
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I don t know.
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Tell me.
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Well, um, once again, I can only share my experience.
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Uh, but you know, when I started to meditate, to actually sit and have a meditation and I ll share exactly what I ve done, you know, um, at the beginning I would, you know, I had this expectation that it needed to be 10 minutes or 20 minutes or 15 minutes.
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And, uh, it didn t work for me so well in the very beginning.
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And so I would just close my eyes and tune in for maybe one minute or two minutes.
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And, you know, I literally think of it as like my moments of grace, because it was just like, ah, like taking that breath and feeling actually what was going on inside and noticing the sensations and just watching.
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But when my eyes are closed or if our eyes are closed and we re sitting in meditation and thoughts are arising rather than, I shouldn t be thinking that.
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Why am I thinking that?
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Why am I thinking about cleaning my closet or the sandwich I want to eat after this, or I didn t call my mom today, you know?
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And so if we, you know, can just watch that experiences, the thought comes up, you know, whatever sandwich I want to eat or,
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I want to clean my closet.
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And if we re not resisting that or making that wrong or demonizing that or labeling ourselves as not a meditator or thinking, why can t I do this?
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And I m a failure, but just, you know, gosh, I want to have a grilled cheese.
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Then it s just the thought coming up and it goes, and then the next thought comes up and goes, and we get to watch that experience.
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And it s interesting because it s, it s really more observing.
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then rather than the resistance and, and, um, you know, attaching to an expectation that it needs to look a certain way.
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And once again, I m only simply sharing my own experience.
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But when I did that, I, you know, it s like, you can t effort meditation, you know, you can t like, it s not something to achieve.
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It s something to experience.
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And we re all really good at doing, I mean, you know, we ll sit for human beings.
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We as human beings, we ll sit for like 20, 30 minutes and scroll through social media and be all else in somebody else s business, you know, and not think twice about, you know, just.
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you know, randomly or aimlessly, you know, looking at something on social media, but to actually say, okay, I m going to sit and experience actually what s happening inside and connect to the gift of that reality.
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And I say gift because we re alive.
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I think that s for myself, that s always been my through line.
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Like what?
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Like my body is being breathed.
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I do nothing for that.
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You know, my heart is beating.
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That s a gift.
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If we wake up in the morning, that s a gift.
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And for myself, I think that s, that s a through line of that gratitude or that awareness.
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And then, you know, getting some distance of the judgments that are coming up and just watching the thoughts that come and rise.
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You know, Michael Singer is a very dear friend and
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He shares a beautiful metaphor of, you know, thoughts are like clouds.
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And if we re outside and it s a beautiful sunny day and clouds come by, we don t judge that there s clouds, just the clouds come by.
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That doesn t change that it s sunny behind the clouds, you know, and the clouds are floating by.
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And I think if we, you know, having that metaphor so helped me when I would sit in meditation, because as thoughts, you know, rose or came by, it was just like clouds floating by rather than those clouds.
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Why are the clouds there?
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I m failing as a blue sky observer.
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The clouds shouldn t be there, which would be absurd.
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We don t judge the experience of nature.
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We don t judge what is happening, like whether it s raining.
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Well, maybe we do at times.
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And if we do, we suffer.
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Does that, does that answer?
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That s helpful.
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And I think, um, you know, the clouds floating by metaphor is helpful because we did actually ask on Tony s social media accounts to send in some questions.
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So I have a few and hands down, the majority was, you know, let s see, D sharp in the house wrote, my mind always wanders.
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I found it.
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I find it hard to get back.
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Uh, how do I stop this?
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Jessica Lynn, how do I stop my mind from wandering and focusing on one thing seems so hard.
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Maribel writes, what to do when your thoughts wander off.
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Alyssa, when it s difficult to find stillness in your thoughts.
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Actually, Kat, how do you stay focused like that?
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I can t tell you.
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I mean, there s hundreds in here.
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That s just a sampling.
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But by far, that s the most common one of just like these thoughts.
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But to your point, they re just like clouds in the sky.
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They are what they are.
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Just notice them.
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Anytime I talk to somebody who s really seasoned in meditation, it s like, oh, you just notice, you just watch, you don t judge them.
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And you make it sound so easy.
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Well, because I think like if I m sitting here and I close my eyes,
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I m hearing my own body being breathed.
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Thoughts are coming and going.
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Maybe I m hearing, you know, the fan here in the room, or I m feeling, or I m hearing your, you know, papers wrestling, whatever is happening.
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That s the experience that life is offering.
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And so if there s just that little bit of, I guess it s willingness to appreciate or to, um,
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Just allow and accept whatever is here and tuning into the sensations on the external.
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Cause normally there s so much happening out here that, you know, attracts our attention.
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I think it s really beautiful.
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There s an entire universe inside of us.
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You know, I mean a whole network of capillaries and veins and our heart pumping and our body breathing.
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That s unreal to me.
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You know, that s unreal to me.
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And then when it was just like, okay, embracing the reality, like thoughts just come and go.
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I mean, I think that s where we all meet in this human experience.
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We all have that reality.
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You know, we all have the reality of, of thoughts and their universal thoughts that, you know, there s a collective mind.
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I mean of, I think that s where, uh, that commonality, if you listen to any human being, it s like random thoughts come, you know, absurd ones that it s like, wow, what does this have to do with this experience here now?
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But it s there and so it is, you know, and so it is.
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And so for myself, I started out by doing like, you know, like I said, one to two minutes and I would do that maybe two to three times a day.
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Sometimes I might go outside and just like take a breath and close my eyes and feel nature and feel the breeze on my face and just notice that sensation of the breeze on my face.
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A lot of times we go outside and you re having a conversation and, you know, we can miss or I can miss.
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the actual sensation of, or raindrops.
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You know, the other day I had, you know, our little one in my arms and I went outside and, you know, just watching her feel rain on her, on her face was beautiful.
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And so I, I was watching her and experiencing that I was having, you know, my own experience and sensation of that.
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And it s like,
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Oh, like we can miss so much.
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And I ve missed so much in my life.
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And I think the gift, if you talk about a result, and I don t know that it s, um, you know, I m struggling with the word result.
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So I don t know that that s the right phrase for me or right experience for me.
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Um, but experientially, I think the gift is, um, being more awake and aware and alert to what s happening here now.
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And then if I m in life,
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And I feel a reaction or somebody says something to me and I feel entangled in a moment.
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You know, I think that s where the gift like Ellen s work of mindfulness, it s like, okay, let s come back to this second here at this moment here and, and take a breath and, and tune in.
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Cause otherwise it s just, it s, it s one thing, it s another, and it s just like life happening.
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And like I said, we get so caught up in the busyness.
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Um, and through business and my own life experience, um, we miss the nuances can miss the sweetness.
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And I think that s, you know, as, as, you know, having a consistent practice and I ll, I ll share here my experience in this conversation.
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Um, there s more beauty, uh, in the most simple things when before the simple thing might ve happened and I missed, uh, I missed the moment.
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I want to zoom out for a second because I want to give our listeners, those listening who might not know you say droppings as well as I do, you might be listening right now and going like, she s talking about the raindrops and the nuances of life.
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And I thought we were talking about meditation, which to some people looks like
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sitting on a pillow, closing your eyes in a cave, or also meditation, especially in the West, I have to say has gotten real trendy and everybody is in their fancy pants and their smoothies and doing their meditation.
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And I don t know, there s a part of me, I even feel it as I talk about it.
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There s a part of me that has like a,
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Not a resentment, maybe it is.
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I feel something of like, is that the authentic experience that everyone is talking about?
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And even as we talk about the expectations of meditation,
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Like one expectation is, gosh, I wish like my thoughts could just calm down a little bit.
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And another is like, oh, I want to feel one with the universe and the blade of grass and you and me and everyone we know, my enemies and friends and the animals.
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Like I have big expectations.
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And so I m hearing you talk about the miracle of life.
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Can we talk about the full moon meditation that we did?
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This again probably links back to my grand expectations for a 10 minute meditation.
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It was a full moon meditation.
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It was a full moon a couple of days ago.
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Many folks, there was the eclipse and it was this powerful energy and many folks do a meditation.
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And again, that can be a very trendy thing.
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And what I love about this is myself and Billy and Tony and Sage, Sage had brought it up and said, hey, do you guys want to have this meditation?
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So we all grabbed our little bean bags.
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We went out to the backyard.
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made a little semi circle circle of friends and Sage had a little prayer book and it was really intentional.
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There was a lot of joy and yet there s also a reverence for this moon, this thing that shines in the sky.
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I could see how people believe that it was
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you know, Godlike, like this thing that rises and especially in its full capacity, it s just, it s magnificent.
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And so, you know, Sage beautifully, uh, you said prayers and we held hands, all of us.
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And, uh, then we, you asked us to close our eyes and we had kind of a silent meditation for maybe, what would you say?
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Five, 10, 15 minutes?
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10 minutes.
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and we re under the moon.
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And I feel myself at the end of the 10 minutes, I haven t told you this, but at the end of the 10 minutes, I m like, man, has it been an hour like this?
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Is she ever, what s going on?
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And I found myself like side eye, I m giving tone side eye, is he awake?
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Yeah, he s meditating.
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Billy and Billy s like, how would you describe Billy?
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He s Tony s trainer.
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And he s like this muscly beef cake.
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I call him my little protein shake.
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And I m like, come on, Billy s not meditating.
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He s not in it.
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And you close the meditation.
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And I look over at Billy and he opens his eyes and he s 100 percent earnest.
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He s like, wow, like I forgot where we were.
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and I had this feeling of like, what?
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Like feeling left out of like, he was like bodiless.
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And I was in my mind.
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Well, Billy, I love that man.
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He s one of my dearest friends.
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And, uh, you know, we ve had so many conversations and talked about meditation and had this exact same dialogue of his frustration of like, you know, I sit and I m, you know, minds are just go, you know, mind is just going.
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And, um, but that night, I think, you know, that s the gift of this life is it s never the same.
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You know, this moment we re having right now, it s like, this is,
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We ll never experience this exact moment again.
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So to me it feels like you have already reaped the gifts of meditation and with that comes gratitude and awe and wonder for this experience of life because somehow you ve gotten through, at some point you get through the chatter,
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and through the problems of small mind.
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And then it s like, it opens your eyes.
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And then I think that s, if someone were to ask me, okay, Mary, like, what do you want?
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If you all of a sudden started meditating tomorrow, why would you?
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And it s like, I want, Tony sometimes talks about profound knowledge.
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And there s a lot of knowledge, small knowledge, but there s also these things that are these insights that forever, these breakthroughs that change forever.
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the way you live your life.
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And I do, I have a belief that meditation can get you there.
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And I think we re given examples of really bright, extremely creative people, artists, whether it s Steve Jobs or Ray Dalio, or I m naming names that might appeal to sort of our business minded or achiever audience that swear by meditation.
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So I know that there s, I know that the treasure chest is the buried treasure I believe exists.
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And I hear you talk and it s like, okay, she s got it.
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She doesn t even know she s got it.
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Do you, do you?
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Well, I don t know if it s got it because honestly, I still experience chatter.
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My mind can still get entangled.
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I feel frustration.
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I feel, uh, you know, I feel all the scope of human emotions, but I think that that s the gift of the practice.
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It s like, okay, we re all in this thing here in this human experience.
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It s a gift to be alive.
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And mind chatter, as you say, you know, we d all like to turn the volume down.
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Maybe that s, you know, more accurate than through it or, you know, I haven t mastered that.
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And yet in a moment to come back to this moment and to question my thoughts or to just notice what I m experiencing here now and maybe what I ve missed.
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um, that broadens my perception in that moment.
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And therefore life is more beautiful than it was the moment before.
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Cause if I was believing a story or believing a thought or in my mind shatter, I m in that reality.
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I m, I m, I m, you know, I m not connected to the moment.
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I don t know if that translates at all.
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It does.
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And I also am remembering what I was going to say about
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By the way, this candle s really... Is it dangerous?
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Really smoking.
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It s okay.
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I m sorry, I didn t mean to entrap you.
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It s okay.
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I was going to say, if you don t know Sage Robbins, like I am lucky to, let me tell you something about her.
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She will, like sometimes will be at a seminar, at a crowded conference, in an airport, at a soccer game, driving at red light.
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And I ll be talking to her and I ll look over like mid-sentence and her eyes are closed.
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And now I ve come to realize like, she s not sleeping.
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She s not narcoleptic.
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She is meditating.
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And she ll like just be sitting there, eyes closed, kind of like, you know, warm smile on her face.
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And I m like, she s just catching this moment.
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This is, this is what, so
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What I love about that and what you have taught me already is that you can do this anywhere.
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Yes.
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You don t have to be on a tasseled rug.
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No.
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On a nice pillow.
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And I m learning that from you.
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So when people are like this present moment, you could do it right now, whatever you re doing right now.
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And I also like how you mentioned before, like it s whatever sounds that you hear, like sometimes
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I am neurotic enough that I ll hear a sound and that will, I ll be like, Oh, that s, that s distracted me.
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I can t focus on my breath if I hear that neighbor s dog barking.
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And it s like, okay, just, that s what, that s what life is giving you right now.
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Go with the neighbor s dog barking, go with your dog barking, whatever it is.
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this is it.
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Go into it and notice where your mind goes and see what thoughts come up then.
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So I think theoretically I m getting closer to an understanding.
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And then at the same time, it s like you said, it s not something you do.
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It s not something you achieve.
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It s not something you understand.
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It s like this
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I don t know.
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What is it?
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Well, I think it s something that we are.
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And I think there s a remembrance through this process of life for us all, you know, that it was an unlearning and a remembrance.
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And it s like even just earlier, just maybe a few moments ago, I heard a phone alarm go off.
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And it s like, well, that s part of this experience right now.
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You know, the smoke on this candle here, it s getting a little wily.
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That s part of our experience right now.
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You know, if I think it shouldn t be happening, then I m crazy.
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I m suffering.
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You know, I think, you know, the gift of
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meditation, the gift of mindfulness, you know, I don t know if it s, I think it s coming experientially, it s coming back to more of our nature.
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And that s more beingness, you know, and you know, trust me,
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we ve lived an incredibly full life, there s been a lot of doing and you know, have experienced a lot of beautiful things in this life.
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And yet the states of beingness and what I mean by that is it s not like when we re doing something, it s just being here now and noticing and appreciating or just experiencing what
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this moment offers, I think, uh, rather than this moment should look different than what it is.
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That s when we miss the moment.
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And I think that that s part of a lot of, you know, the mind chatter was experiencing just, it s like, if you close your eyes and you re willing to just, you know, for two minutes, for three minutes, experience what you experience and, uh, not have an expectation, then it s then whatever, whatever you hear, whatever, whoever knocks on the door, um,
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You know, whatever thought arises and falls, it s just part of this orchestra of life that s happening, part of like the clouds coming, the sun going behind the clouds.
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It s like, it s perfect.
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It s just this harmonious experience, but it s not harmonious when, you know, we believe the thought that it should look different than what is here now.
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I mean, I, that is probably the most accurate way that I can describe meditation.
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Um, it s allowing, I don t even know if it s allowing, it s just appreciating, accepting.
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You can put any word of those or just simply, probably even more accurately, just watching or observing, you know, what is here in this moment.
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You sit there and you close your eyes and you stay focused and you don t fall asleep.
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Well, you know, focus seems once again so
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like to focus, maybe I m projecting right now, but that feels like there s effort in that.
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I think, you know, watching feels more sincere because as you watch, you watch whatever comes.
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Does that make sense?
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Watching, noticing, observing, witness consciousness.
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That s accurate.
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And I think that, you know, a lot of times, I ll tell you one other thing that was a miss for me.
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When I first started meditation,
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I had this expectation or want, it s like, you know, gosh, like, you know, mind is going to stop.
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Or there s like this awakening, you know, you hear about people having an awakening experience or an enlightenment experience and everything was like out here, you know, that felt like this result or this
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Um, chase or this chase of this something that was here.
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But as I was wanting this thing out here, I was missing what was happening here.
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And that s the, that s the seduction.
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Um, that s maybe a bit of the illusion.
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Uh, cause it s my experience that we wake up here now in this moment.
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You know, um, and I think there s so many practices, like there s so many people from different that, you know, are listening right now that are from different cultures or different paths of life and different experiences.
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And that s the beautiful gift of this human experience is there s so many choices and paths home, um, with inside of ourselves.
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And, you know, as we walk this path, I think we recognize that, you know, we ve never really left home.
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It s just a realization that, you know, this is the awakening.
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This is the gift.
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This is meditation, Mary B, right here, right now.
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This is us living our lives and appreciating and being present to this moment.
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It doesn t get more beautiful than that.
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Until the next moment.
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You know, I want to mention one more thing.
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If you re agnostic, if you re atheist, if you re a believer, what s so incredible about this is it s really irrelevant.
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You can still have a practice of meditation.
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No matter what religion.
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That was another question that came in on social media too, and I don t want to miss it.
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Someone wrote, isn t meditation Hindu?
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In transcendental meditation, TM, you re given a Hindu holy word.
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I feel it goes against my Christianity.
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Can you speak to that?
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I want you to answer that because as someone who grew up in a house where my parents  first question was often, is that against the church?
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I can relate.
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And I don t believe it is, but I would love to know.
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How would you address that?
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Once again, I think if meditation is about coming back to this moment, if it s about experiencing what s inside of you, what s inside of us is a miracle.
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If we re a believer, then you believe that the Creator created us.
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So if it s tuning into that miracle, gosh, I think that s complimentary.
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You know, I almost look at like if your prayer, it s like a filling up and meditation could be considered as an emptying out.
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That s overly simplistic and that s not, you know, completely accurate.
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But you know, it s something that I have related to.
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And so I feel like the two go hand in hand in such a beautiful, meaningful way.
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I do too.
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I, when I was in college, I went through a real Thomas Merton phase.
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Yes.
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Thomas Merton, 20th century Trappist monk, Christian monk, theologian, mystic author.
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I pulled a quote from him because I just think it s so beautiful.
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And also he uses the word contemplation Christianity.
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You might hear it be called, you might hear it described as contemplative prayer.
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So contemplation, meditation,
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prayer, any of those words, I think, whatever you re comfortable with, you can put to it.
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But Thomas Merton in From New Seeds of Contemplation writes, contemplation is the highest expression of man s intellectual and spiritual life.
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It is the spiritual wonder.
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It is spontaneous awe at the sacredness of life.
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I get emotional reading this.
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of being, it is a vivid realization of the fact that life and being in us proceed from an invisible, transcendent and infinitely abundant source.
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Amen.
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Contemplation is above all awareness of the reality of that source.
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I think that s just, I think that s it.
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I don t want to put words to it.
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Well, nor do I. Well, that was beautifully said and expressed.
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And once again, I think they all, you know, life is so beautifully vast.
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It isn t this or that.
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If I pray, I can t meditate.
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If I meditate, I can t pray.
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What s contemplation?
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You know, it all, you know, it s all this puzzle piece that comes together to make the greater whole.
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And, you know, for myself, before I start a meditation, I always say thank you, you know.
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And no matter, you know, whatever your religion or non-religion, wherever you come from, your background, your culture, just honoring that and praying in a way that s true for you.
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Or you can pray to the source that beats your heart.
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You can, beloved divine source or beloved creator, thank you for this moment.
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Thank you for this life.
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Thank you for surrounding me.
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Thank you for renewing me.
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Thank you for restoring me.
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Thank you for filling me here now.
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Amen.
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It doesn t have to be, or it could just be, thank you.
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You know, but for myself, I always start from that place and that s just sincere for me.
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Let me talk to you about my expectations.
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Okay.
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I d love to hear that.
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Knowing that we were coming into this conversation today,
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I picked the book off my shelf by your friend and Tony s Dr. Andy Newberg.
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He spoke at some of our conferences before.
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I opened up his little book called How Enlightenment Changes Your Brain.
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And I m like, that s what I want.
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This will make me meditate.
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He writes knowledge, wisdom, science, reason, oneness, unity, ecstasy, awakening, bliss, liberation, insight, transcendence, transformation, self-realization, illumination, clarity, inner peace, holiness, revelation, God, emptiness, selflessness.
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I m leaving somehow pure consciousness.
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He says throughout history, different scholars have used every one of these terms to define and capture the
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essence of enlightenment.
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And then by proxy meditation, some have said is the way to enlightenment to this awakening.
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And so I sit on my little, I sit crisscross applesauce and I m like, all right, let s go self-realized.
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And I see
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how I m going about it wrong.
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And I also I continue to learn from you.
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And I hope that I hope that someone out there is smiling.
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Tony, in fact, told us that our last episode he thought he listened to and he cried his eyes out as Tony Robbins.
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If you know him, you ll know he s such a softie.
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He s such a softie.
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He s usually the first one in tears.
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And he said, you guys are funny, but you were a little serious in the last one.
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He wanted to laugh.
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in an effort to, to talk, to hopefully not take ourselves too seriously.
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I will also say that I will come to you and say like, Sage, I m feeling crazy cakes in my mind.
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And to me, that means like, whether it s, I m feeling anxious or scared or angry or frustrated.
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And so I know I m hooked in my mind and we ve done, like you mentioned, Michael Singer, we were lucky enough to go to his temple of the universe here in Florida.
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And he talks about like, there s the external world, and then there s the thought world, and then there s your emotional body.
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So there s really these three things.
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So if you re sitting there, eyes closed, your attention might go to something in the external world, a knock at the door, your phone going off.
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It might go to a thought that you have, like, oh man, did I lock the door?
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Where are my keys?
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I m thirsty.
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a thought or a feeling like, oh, I m still so mad that this thing happened yesterday.
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So those are the only three things.
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When he chunks them like that, it s like, okay, I have these three things to contend with.
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I should just be able to sit here, focus on my breath.
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and be aware of the miracle of life.
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It s, when you boil it down, it s like, wow, this seems pretty, this is pretty basic.
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And then there s this little dictator, this psycho tyrant that is like, did you do this?
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You should do that.
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You should, you know, that s just, and I hear it.
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And when I listened to the narrator that we all have, it s like, who is running the show?
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What is this little voice?
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What do you make of that little voice?
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Do you have that little,
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Of course I do.
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I think once again that s where we all meet and I think that s the real oneness of this human experience is that we all have that voice and it s only a dictator if you listen to it.
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Yeah, that s right.
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You know, and so, uh, you know, whether it s, you know, open the door, do this or do that, you know, if you re listening to it and believing the thought, I think, you know, I, speaking of this, I, I just have to share it.
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I know I ve mentioned it, um, her name in the last podcast.
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Byron Katie, she has a process called the work and the four questions and this is the work.com.
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And this is another active form of meditation is there s four questions and a turnaround.
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And you know, you do the process of actually writing it down.
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It s called the judge, your neighbor worksheet.
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And you meditate into it and the gift of this is, you know, mind can work so quickly and the narrative can happen so quickly that to slow mind down and to actually write it down, it s amazing because it s your own consciousness guiding you through this process.
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What s so unreal at the end of this process, if you stay with it, it always is so remarkable to me what I ve missed.
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And I think that that s the gift of meditation.
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It s like, you know, when you talk about noticing you, you, we speak about watching, it s like, what are we noticing?
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It s like what we ve missed, you know, what we ve missed and what s so amazing about that.
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About, you know, I ve, gosh, I ve known Katie.
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She s a very dear friend, by the way, and just a beautiful sister on the path.
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I started doing the work really seriously.
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I d read her books, but I actually wasn t sitting and doing the work myself.
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And I probably started doing that maybe about five years ago.
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But, you know, I meditated and noticed, I was willing to notice, I had a desire to notice what maybe I d missed and just to see, is it true?
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You know, I, that day I chose a different path and yes, inquiry really has been an incredible tool.
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And it s more of an, I wouldn t say an active form of meditation, but there is a process of answering questions and meditating into it, sitting with it, noticing what you re being shown, what you ve missed.
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you re so vast in what meditation is, is what it could possibly look like, which I love about you with all the, you know, you and Tony have given seminars in service all over this globe.
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You have traveled to India and China and Malaysia and you know, in these places maybe that we think of like where meditation is born and it s done this way and
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you and even we have, we have done our share of like, you know, alpha brainwave meditation or Kriya, the nose, the nostril isolation, nostril meditation.
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Sometimes words get put to it, vipassana, or things that almost are intimidating, like Tony says, like in certain industries when there s this language and then you kind of get psyched out because you re like, I don t know what that means, whether it s the medical field or the financial field, or it s the same thing.
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I feel that even when I step into this realm and you,
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have this ability, like a lot of folks have wrote in and said, how do you know you re doing it right?
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Or what s the way?
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Do you do this kind of meditation?
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Do you do this kind of meditation?
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And you re kind of like, I had this conversation with my sister and I questioned this thought.
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And of course this is about meditation, but I want
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I want people to see, you often use the word inquiry.
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You talked about Byron Katie s The Work, which is these four questions, so that s where the inquiry comes in.
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And many folks who teach meditation will say, you sit with your thoughts, you notice the thoughts that come up, and you question their validity, you question the truth of this, or at the very least, you look at that thought and you don t judge it, you don t try to should or shouldn t it.
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you just accept that thought is coming in like a cloud through the sky.
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One of my outcomes of meditation would be, and people often promise, this self-realization or seeing of oneself.
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Know thyself.
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Socrates, or as we call him in this house, Socrates.
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you know, 2000, over 2000 years ago, um, you know, it says this know thyself and what does that mean?
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And everyone else like can see us, why can t we see ourselves?
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And then we re the last to know.
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And so there s that, that curiosity in me that s like, I really want to know what objectively, what is,
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the outside experience of what I m like that I know I m not seeing because we re too in our own stuff or we re too busy defending as the human nature would often do.
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We justify, I ll speak for myself.
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When I sit there, oftentimes when I notice what my mind is doing in meditation, it will be building some defense or making some case for myself or justifying something I wish I hadn t done or wish I had done.
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I guess you could call it contemplation and meditation.
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They can be interchangeable.
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And then of course, yes, you know, I mean, beyond sitting, you keep mentioning a sitting meditation, but there can be a walking meditation.
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You know, it s like going on a walk and just noticing the beauty, the birds chirping or, you know, the dew on the grass or, uh, you know, the ants in front of you, or gosh, we ve got these little geckos, you know, running around town here and you see these little buddies and it s like, Hey, like, you know, their little necks flap out.
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Like there s so much sometimes when I m moving quickly, I miss.
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And sometimes if I m walking from here,
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down the hill I ll just slow down and notice all these gifts that are right in front of me that sometimes when I m moving quickly I walk right by.
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And so I look at that as a walking meditation.
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And by the way, I do sit, I do do a 10 minute meditation in the morning and I close my evening the same way.
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I do have the practice of that, but the practice also, I think the gift of it, of integrating, whether it s mindfulness, as you called it with, you know, Ellen s body of work and by having Katie s, you know, the four questions is this can be something that s, you know, takes flight and makes the inner experience, or I mean, I ll speak for myself, my inner experience more kind.
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When that coherence starts to happen or a greater level of harmony, all of a sudden mind or consciousness starts to notice something different.
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What I ve noticed starts to translate in every waking experience or life just day to day, is that as a circumstance comes up and maybe I feel hooked or I feel frustrated by a moment, it s like, okay, this is just a thought.
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This is just a thought or whatever judgment it is.
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And as I identify with that thought, I suffer.
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You know, as I get a little distance and, you know, is this true?
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Or I take a breath and it s like, oh my gosh, you know, maybe just notice in the moment before possibly what I missed.
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I think that s the gift and the blessing of awareness, of alertness, of coming back to this moment, of being here now.
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Because it s so easy in a world of social media, in a world with news, and there s so much bombarding us with, you know, just so much bombarding us.
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When s the last time you listened to a podcast or read a book or ate a meal without checking your texts or looking at an alert or something?
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We are so bombarded.
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So to have attention, again, I think that s another thing that s on my target when I talk about outcomes or results that I m after in meditation.
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It s that
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ability to just be where I am and where I put place my attention and not have something else dictate to me where to put it.
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And, you know, I m glad you brought up Michael Singer before.
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And so I grabbed two books last night when I knew we were going to sit down and have this conversation today.
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The other one is our friend Michael Singer s book.
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I can tell because I scribbled in here that I read it in 2015.
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It s always great to go back and look at the notes you scribbled in here, but one of the things I had written on the inside cover that clearly was something that I had gleaned from reading Michael Singer s book, which to me, and I ve heard a lot of people say this, reading this little tiny book was the first thing that opened up this understanding in my mind of like, wow,
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that little voice in there.
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Why didn t, why haven t I thought about this?
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Why haven t I thought about her before?
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And so it, this book pointed that out to me and I had written in the inside cover.
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Now what I used to hold, now what used to hold me down becomes what wakes me up.
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Now what used to hold me down becomes what wakes me up.
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So whether it s a belief I had about myself,
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that s cycling in my mind for the hundredth time or a belief that I ve heard someone has about me or that I ve made up that someone has about me that s cycling in my mind for the thousandth time.
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Now I m able to catch that and that wakes me up to like, hey, that little punk in your mind, it s doing that thing again and you are taking orders from it.
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Like you re the boss.
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I really like what you said there.
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It s only a dictator if you listen to it rather than just like.
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These thoughts are coming up.
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Let them be.
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Let them pass through.
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Do you have meditations where you re like, oh, mine was chatting away today?
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Or are you like, do you still have those days where you re like, huh, a little weasel today?
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Well, I don t know if it s a day, but I have the moments where
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Mind drifts and I call, you know, I invite my attention back to this moment here.
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And yeah, and just, you know, follow my breath.
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And, you know, you just, it s just, it s like no big deal.
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Hey, you know, come back here.
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you know, and it s like the kindness of, you know, our, if you have a child and you know, they re up to something or, you know, wandering off, it s like, sweetheart, you know, Hey, let s, let s, let s come back this way.
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It s, it s almost being a little rascal.
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It s like how beautiful.
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to extend and offer that graciousness to oneself, to ourself.
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And just, you know, it s like, no big deal.
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And, you know, what I ve noticed, the gift of being in my 40s is that life, you know, starts to have a different level of inward flow.
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You know, simple things.
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This wasn t like something like, you know, a big thing.
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I was like, gosh, I have to do this or I can never do this.
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It was just,
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happening.
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You know, if I went on a plane before we d go and if we re at the airport and you stop at, like I d stop at a magazine store and I d, you know, I d buy a bunch of magazines and be flipping through and seeing, you know, who s doing what or who s wearing what or buying what or what the heck they were, or, you know, things about their relationship individuals.
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It s juicy.
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Well, it was until it s not.
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You know, it really was.
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And then all of a sudden life became more interesting here now, rather than what was more interesting over there or externally.
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And that wasn t something I consciously thought, but I was reflecting last night and I was like, gosh, I don t know when that happened or why that happened, but it s a result.
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I guess that is a result.
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Having that extend to a different level of mindfulness throughout my life, I just noticed myself making different decisions.
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Every morning I d wake up and I d check my phone and
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the news alerts when I was like, oh, you know, and it s like feeling all these things because I m reading it and experiencing that.
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And so I took that off my phone.
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I turned the, what do you call that thing?
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Alerts off my phone.
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I m not on any social media whatsoever personally.
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And so it s, you know, it s given me the beautiful gift to have more time and space for myself.
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And I think like that s the most, you know, is that the self love?
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I think that s a part of it.
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I do think it s a result of your practice of meditation.
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I feel myself this gift that we have as human beings that we re able to know that we re thinking.
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and then to then realize like, wow, and then all these distractions are also coming in.
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How could I ever have room for the creativity that I want?
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The, you know, whatever it is that you want to do with your life.
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If it s just
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this distraction from one distraction to the next internally or externally, I know enough to know that s not how I m going to go do great things, you know?
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And so paring down the external distractions and then paring down the internal distractions.
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And that s, you know what?
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I made the same mistake.
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It s not paring down.
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Yes.
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That s beautiful awareness.
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You just caught yourself.
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It s noticing.
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Yes.
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And then I think it pair it by just by noticing it almost pairs down.
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Well, what you just did is exactly in my experience of mindfulness and meditation, you just caught yourself.
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That s what this beautiful life s about.
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You know, it s catching yourself.
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I mean, Mary, I m not the most athletic human being on the world.
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True.
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And you are.
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And so, you know, you used to play soccer and if you re to kick the ball into the goal post.
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What kind of ball?
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If you re to kick it into the goal, um, you know, I m sure you didn t do that every time.
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And if you re at practice, you didn t do it every time, but then there s a times where you did.
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Most times with practice, with practice.
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And I think like, you know, gosh, we have such a huge expectation or my, who am I saying?
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We have such a huge, I ve had such a huge expectation and you know, I dropped that.
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And I dropped the notion of enlightenment of awakening.
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Cause what life showed me was, gosh, that s in this moment.
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That s the only time that we can wake up is here.
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Now you just did it.
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I m just looking at you, we re here, this is this beautiful life.
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And for those of you that are listening right now, just take a look around, take a look at your surroundings.
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See and what you ve noticed maybe just the moment before Feel your breath You know, it s it s beautiful to be here now, and I think that that is the greatest most powerful one of the most powerful profound gifts of meditation is Coming not even coming to the moment because we re always in the moment.
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It s noticing it.
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I Felt it even in just that moment
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It s like, it can happen in 10 seconds.
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What did you feel?
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What did you experience?
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I can t explain it.
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Like if I m really, like you said, focusing and I m holding on to do to, you know, just like what s going to come next.
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It s control.
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It s certainty.
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I realize that s what Tony would say.
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It is your driving need for certainty.
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I know, which
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I know it s just a nice way to say your need for control, your illusion of control, some semblance of control in this life that I have none of.
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And then to just get quiet.
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I feel my heart like, take a breath in that.
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And also there s this uncertainty of what the next sound we might hear could be.
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or the emptiness of that, and that helps me to say, wow, I have no idea what I m going to hear next or what I might notice next with my eyes.
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I feel like, oh, how cool is that?
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And I feel the need for certainty relax, and I feel myself settle into
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wow, there s so much I m not in control of and I can be okay with that.
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And I can enjoy it, not just be okay with it.
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I can actually really enjoy it.
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And to me, that s, it s like, we re sitting, we re just sitting here and I have to manage my mind of like, don t ask a stupid question, add value, make sure that this is entertaining or that folks are getting things from this.
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And then in a moment it s like,
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You know what?
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Let s just have a conversation.
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Let s just be real.
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We re just sitting here.
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People want authenticity.
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Take a breath.
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Yeah, you just feel like this little anchor to this moment.
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Well, that s beautiful.
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That s it, I meditated.
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I did it.
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That s a beautiful thing.
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Your vulnerability and your honesty and sincerity.
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I think it s a really beautiful thing as human beings, you know, as we drop defense, you know, life is kinder that next breath.
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And, you know, we don t need to be a certain way.
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I think that s the gift of this human experience.
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We get to be where I m uniquely me, you re uniquely you.
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Matt, hi.
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I love your beard.
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I love who you are, how you express yourself.
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We all animate and express life uniquely.
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I think that s just so beautiful and freaking phenomenal.
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the alignment of where we all meet, of this human experience, and then just the, you know, beauty of how we all express.
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That s cool.
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It s cool.
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Even just like a 10-second moment, you can touch upon that.
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That is a meditation.
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You re making this really easy for us, Sage Robbins.
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Thank you.
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Well, that s the intent.
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I think, you know, for those of you who are reading your questions and we can be so hard on ourselves and I ve been that human being.
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So, you know, the intent here was just to simply share the experience and share many paths that, you know, really all beautifully end us up in the same place.
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And I don t know if it s meditation.
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I don t know if it s stage of life.
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But there s no other place I d rather be than here now.
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And there s a freedom in that.
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And as I go forward, when I catch myself, if I m future-paced, you know, bringing my attention, my awareness, my back to this moment, it just, no matter what s happening in the external world, it s like,
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I m alive.
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One of, you know, looking at Mike, Mickey Singer s book here, uh, one of the beautiful gifts of, um, that book was chapter 17, the untethered soul chapter 17.
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And, uh, you know, he talks about, uh, you know, how death is such an amazing teacher.
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And, uh, you talk about, you know, we have no control.
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We don t know what the next sound is going to be.
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We don t even know if we re going to be here tomorrow.
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None of us.
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none of us or an hour from now.
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And so, you know, we are here and life is a miracle and it s a gift to be alive.
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Uh, no matter what is happening, it s a gift to have this experience, to feel these sensations, to see what you re seeing, to, you know, all the, these beautiful miracles that, uh, to have just life happening through us as us.
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Um, you know, I think that s the gift of that, uh, reminder of the preciousness.
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And meditation has brought that more to life for me.
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And when I forget, that s the gift of this life.
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Waking up is in this moment.
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That s the gift of recognizing that we re already home.
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It s true.
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We re already home.
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Here we are.
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And I think that s the gift of the other side of a meditation is the feeling that you are able to experience that in your waking, out of meditation, in your waking moments.
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It s there with you.
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I can feel it.
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You re a meditator, aren t you?
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Who s ever listening?
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You re a meditator, aren t you?
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I think that s just, that s a beautiful statement.
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And that s a beautiful reality.
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Because we all are.
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It s our nature.
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And we are meditating.
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Tone would say, some people say, I m not getting results.
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And Tony would say, you re always getting results.
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They just might not be the results that you want in that same way.
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We re always meditating.
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If you stop and watch, your mind is always meditating on something.
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Uh, it might just be circus and not the miracle.
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I get it.
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I think I get it.
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Well, that s cool.
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That s a beautiful thing.
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Um, one thing I feel like I m learning in real time from this conversation with you is what I want from meditation and what I m trying to get away from.
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And so at, um, at our seminars, Tony teaches about towards values, moving towards values and moving away from values.
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They re two very powerful things.
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Also, people are motivated stronger, some by what they want, some by what they don t want.
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You can probably guess by listening to this what motivates me most, so it won t surprise you when I say that I think I was approaching meditation
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by aiming at avoiding this like restlessness of mind and body rather than moving towards these enormous profound insights into
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life on this spinning planet and the nature of what it is to be a human being with a heart beating in our chest.
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I want more of that.
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I want to move towards that.
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Me too.
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Every day.
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Only every day.
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Every day.
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You re laughing.
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Are you laughing because this is so simplistic?
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I m laughing because it s beautiful when we recognize, yes, the simplicity and the beautiful opportunity that life allows us or life gifts us to notice the preciousness, to notice the gift, to notice what s here now.
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I think there s nothing more gorgeous in the human experience than this moment.
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And, you know, we ve mentioned many different, you know, Byron Katie and Michael Singer.
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I also have to mention that tone.
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It is a beautiful priming experience and gratitude meditation.
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meditation.
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And at the beginning, it s, it s a guided meditation that you go through and, you know, think of, you know, what you re grateful for.
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And it s, it s, it s a really beautiful process because it s, you know, once again, it s just guiding the attention.
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Our attention is such a precious commodity and to be able to guide it, invite it to gratitude, to beauty,
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to what s beautiful and blessed in our lives.
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I think that s incredible gift because there s so much distracting us to what s wrong, what s off, what s wrong about us, what s wrong about the world, what s wrong about, you know, and it s just beautiful to step to an expanded perception and to guide that process.
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So those of you that are interested, we ll make sure that we, you know, have the link of that priming experience because it s incredibly profound and impactful for people.
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It s a great place to start if you are just starting out Tony Robbins priming.
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Well, I hope that listening to this conversation has made you want to meditate, has made it.
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I feel it.
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I actually feel an excitement right now.
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It doesn t feel like this, like, oh, this thing I should do.
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It feels like this thing I really look forward to, to doing.
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Well, uh, you know,
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Well, I m just doing not doing this to go.
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It feels like a place.
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I m excited to go within without.
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It s not, it s not a doing catch myself every moment.
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That s all that we can ever do.
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You know, I ll share a couple tips that I have found helpful by the way, you do not have to do this.
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Um, there s no right and wrong in this process.
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And if you hear this and you think it s a little nutty, then please drop this part.
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Uh, so sometime that I ve found to be helpful, right before I meditate, I ll stand up and I just shake, I ll shake my hands, I ll shake my arm, my whole body.
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And it s almost like going on linear.
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Like I m not doing it for anybody else.
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Just, you know, and I ll say to myself, like I release and I let go, I release and I let go.
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And it s just letting go of what s no longer needed in that moment.
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And I feel like that s like, it just gets, you know, it just creates like an unbound space rather than sitting there and it s like being more in mind.
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I just feel like that alone.
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And then as I sit down, I want to just mention first, it s like, it s, it s also goes back to exactly what Tony teaches that foundation is always physiology.
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Yes.
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So if you are someone who might be, you know, described as a little uptight, I ll speak for myself.
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You got to just shake it out.
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It s the same thing that we would do
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when people are like, why are you always jumping around at those Tony Robbins seminars?
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Why is everybody jumping?
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It s like, well, you jump around because there is a physiological, your body will have a response, a cascade of hormones just by movement.
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And so give yourself an edge just by shaking it out.
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Because sometimes we ve been sitting at a desk all day where you re carrying, your body is carrying, you know, there s a book that s popular, The Body Keeps Score.
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Our body holds onto a lot of things.
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So Sage is saying,
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Step one, shake it out.
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Shake what your mama gave you.
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Non-linear she calls it, which just looks a little crazy.
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I ve seen you do it.
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It does look a little odd, a little strange.
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Um, but once again, this isn t for anybody but yourself.
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Uh, and by the way, I m not doing that for a long period of time.
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Sometimes I don t even know, maybe like 10 seconds.
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And then as I sit down, I ll make the sound of ah, and I ll just be like, ah,
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And I ll continue doing that until I run out of breath.
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And there s something about the physicality and as well, the sound that it s like, okay, for myself, it s easier to just drop into that space.
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You suggested that with me too.
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And I also want to clarify.
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So it s not like an, an OM, it s like a sound, like whatever comes out of your mouth, it s just like, ah,
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If you have an emotion and it feels, it has like a tone to it, just let that out of your body in the same way that you re shaking it out physically, you re letting it out auditorily, just another sub modality to just get energy moving.
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And by the way, I don t do this if I m just doing a two-minute meditation outside, or I don t do this if I m doing a nature meditation.
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I do this when I actually do a sit meditation, and I just feel like it helps to create some unbound rather than bound energy, and it s just releasing.
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You know, we re physical body, we re energetic, we re spiritual beings.
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It just, you know, it opens the channels.
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So you shake it out, you let it out, and then you sit down in your position.
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Tell me what your position looks like.
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Do you have to do something special with your fingers?
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No, not a bit.
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You can.
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Once again, if that s your path and that s what you ve been drawn to and that s your practice, then beautiful.
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If you do certain postures, asanas, that s beautiful.
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If that s what s true for you.
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If you want to just sit so that you re completely comfortable.
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Once again, this isn t about perfection.
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This isn t about being in a precise way.
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This is just simply experiencing.
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There s no right or wrong way to it.
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This is not a formula.
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This isn t something that you have to do.
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It s just experientially something that resonates for me.
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I d just love to tune in once again to the miracle and the gift of life.
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That s the most sincere.
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an accurate experience and perception in reality.
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We are all so blessed, you know, look at how we re supported.
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We are, whatever you re listening to this on or watching this, whatever device, what a miracle.
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You know, if you re laying down or if you re walking or driving a car, what a miracle.
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Like we re so gifted with such a level of abundance.
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If you re sitting on a chair or, you know, sitting on the ground, like we are, you know,
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always taken care of and yes, you re lucky enough to have legs and supported.
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I think that is, you know, a lot of times missed.
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So many miracles.
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Thank you for tuning in.
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And thank you for tuning in to this conversation, but also to yourself.
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Because there s no more beautiful place to be.
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So bless you on your journey.
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And God bless.
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Thank you.
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Looking forward to hearing from you all and comments and responses.
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Thanks for sharing this with us.
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See you again soon.
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We ll see you again soon.
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Bye bye.
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