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ApplianceKenmore Range

Level of DifficultyEasy

Time to do repairLess than 15 mins

Age of ApplianceMore than 10 years

Tools Nutdriver

Thomas From Des Plaines, IL

May 28, 2011

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new igniter had a plastic wire coupling that did not fit with the soves wires; cut off coupling and connected wires with ceramic wire nuts given, remounted ignitor and fired up the oven.

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Saturday, December 30, 2006

Goodness Gracious...

Great Pizza of Fire!

So I wasn't kidding about the fire alarm going off. And this happened with frozen pizza and the kids asleep.

I'm thinking it's time to clean the oven, too. My brilliant deduction stems from the fact that even when I don't char my meals, the alarm still goes off due to Christmas Eve pie stuck under the irons (from three years ago...)

Some serious scrubbing better start if I'm to begin my regime next week.

Any takers?

Thursday, December 28, 2006

Our Lady of Sonoma

My mother-in-law works at William Sonoma. She looks like Linda Evans - Think Barbie crossed with AARP. At 55 she has fewer wrinkles than a porcelain gravy boat (which you can buy at William Sonoma for the price of a down payment on a condo… the gravy boat, not the wrinkle cure.)

She’s scary organized and I’ve not once seen her lose her cool. While I like reds, browns and anything orange or, as my mom likes to say “brothel decor", Rex's mother is a big fan of tans, creams, sage greens and “mellow yellows”.

I recently discovered one major flaw, though: Christmas morning, as I sat surrounded in more holiday paper than J-Lo’s had husbands, I shrieked in horror to find that, in a fit of insanity, my kids' traditionally cool headed grandmother bought me a $400.00 pot and pan set.

They are Caphalon - so nice that apparently you can’t even put them in the dishwasher. (Mama P translation: Not only do I get to poison my family with my cooking, but I get to verifiably kill them when I leave raw meat stuck to the pan for days on end from my fabulous “hand wash” job. Ask my husband… I don’t do very good hand jobs. What? I’m talking about cleaning, you pervs.) I'm thinking I better refrain from their artistic doubles as paint buckets, mud spinners, mop rinsers or turtle washes. (Yes, I do have a 3 legged turtle, but that's a blog for another day.)

In homage to this trust my impeccable in-law has placed in me (and more than one nod to Rex that I had better not destroy the new dishware) I am, beginning next week...

Cue music…

Turning into a housewife.

I fully expect to end up prostrate on the floor, praying to Our Lady of William Sonoma and asking why Bisquick is not an adequate flour substitute. But now, in the comfort of my office, with caffeine bubbling in my system and Rex's spicy sausage pepper sandwiches churning in my tummy, I have high hopes of meal planning each week for health and budget.

Am I an overachiever? Ah, duh.

If ya’ll want to try it with me, here’s the theme for the week. To make cooking fun! Lots of exclamations! Oooh, the fire alarm is going off! Yeah!

* Meat Monday
* Taco Tuesday
* Whatever Wednesday (this means some wacky new recipe!)
* Tomato Thursday (Translation: Italian or stuffed peppers of some sort… anything using a sauce)
* Frozen Friday (Translation: Give myself a break day with a frozen pizza, burritos, something preferably healthy)
* Sandwich Saturday (If you can’t figure this out on your own, then I suggest you start your week off with Saturday so you can decompress, eat and restore brain cells.)
* Stew or Soup Sunday (Using a crock pot if you have one)

Some of the menus I will keep from week to week for easy family pleasers (“easy family pleasers?” Good, God, I am turning into that puffy southern tv cook whose perfume you can smell through your Tivo… please shoot me. NOW.)

Unlike the puffy southern peroxide chef, however, my goal is to weave like ingredients throughout all the dishes each week to make preparation easy. Pick a day to do your slicing and dicing a la Rachael Ray, because then it makes it easier for the rest of the week. But if you use the words “Eevo” or “garbage bowl” I am going to duck your head into my Cusinart, hit “Go”, put on Dora and laugh laugh laugh a la Swiper the Fox who has just farted into Abuela's tamale pie.

For the bonus point, I’m attempting to add some sort of veggie into each dish. Tomato sauce counts as a veggie, so just get over that one. So do frozen peas, canned corn and McDonald Apple Dippers.

Tune in tomorrow for the January menu - Weak One.

I mean, Week 1.

The "weak one" will be me who will be exhausted before she's even started the grocery list.

Oh, and did I mention this is going to be done for 100 bucks/week?

Who's with me? It'll be more fun than Mama P with an Epidural in her back, Diet coke in her hand.

Did you hear that sound? It's Rex, cleaning the bottom of the pans with "Bar Keepers Friend". After my cooking, he better become friends with a bar keeper.

In closing, let me remind Texas Lizzy that you're doing this with me. You promised.

Texas Dottie, you're as as tall as me, and if your daughter in law fails in her obligations, I give you full permission to ride on over there on your horse, tractor, or whatever you wacky Texans ride and beat her silly with the spatulas I sent to her kids for Christmas.

And Mrs. V, don't think that because you teach Sunday School you're getting out of this. If you can make a Gxx Dxxed pumpkin cheese spinach quesadilla thing a ma bobby, you can do this, too.

And Cecelia, your "I'm a vegetarian and I'll be traveling" doesn't cut the mustard either. (Okay, maybe it does. But screw off in advance for not playing.)

Stopping now.

Wednesday, December 27, 2006

Our Children

"See them running down the beach

Children run so fast

Toward the future, from the past.

There they stand

Making footprints in the sand,

And forever hand in hand,Our children

Two small lives

Silhouetted by the blue

One like me

And one like you" Ragtime

Happy 2007 - may you enjoy every moment, hand in hand, heart to heart, laughing like children.

Saturday, December 23, 2006

Office Space

It's two days before Christmas and I've done what any good mother would do: cleaned out my office in preparation for paint and shelving in 2007.

I'm thinking a prepped mama makes a happy mama which makes a productive mama which makes a query writing fiend mama which means landing many magazine gigs mama which makes happy kids.

Happy happy happy...

Now excuse me while I put my obsessive compulsive gene to some positive use by running a tooth brush over my 1987 leather rolling chair wheels.

Somebody has to.

Thursday, December 21, 2006

Pipsqueak O

Thanks to KD in San Fran for the Shift/enter tip on spaces in paragraphs. Didn't work. Probably something simple that I can get Rex on when he comes home from the coal mines.

Speaking of KD, while I love that she sends my kids vintage Scoobies and wacky spectacles, they are causing havoc in my dressing routine. God forbid we leave the house without the "Pink Glasses!" It's also below freezing in L.A. (Translation: 68 degrees). Pip insists on taking off her pajamas and running around in a loin cloth Pamper. When I tell her she's going to be cold, she replies "No, I have my glasses to keep me warm."

And now a runny nose.

Tuesday, December 19, 2006

The Laughing Club

Stink has initiated an institution in this house called The Laughing Club. Membership is free, but giggling is required.
Tummy busters include, but aren't limited to: The "Double Dryoff", knock-knock jokes, questions like "Do you like to eat houses?" "Do you like to eat the sidewalk?" "Do you like to eat... (You get the idea. If you answer in the affirmative? Ooooh, lawdy, watch out for the guffaws.)
Second runner up is the belch following behind the numero uno top biller: the fart.
I'd mention their love of toilet humor, but my mother informed me that the last five posts spoke of poo poo in some form or another - bordering on obscene. In deference to her 76 years of life, I will list in the paragraph below actions that take precedence over crap in this house.
Sorry, Mom.
(PS: I hate this new blogger.. anyone know why it doesn't publish spaces or paragraphs?)

Saturday, December 16, 2006

Playing with Paint

I'm thinking I'll delete this holiday card option.

Green Colored Glasses

You down with PTP? Yeah you know me!

Mama P is IN. THE. HOUSE. And she brings with her a new band: PTP - the Positive Thinking Police. Here's the new law in this joint: If I'm sad about something legitimate, I can cry more than Pipsqueak losing a shoe. But if my brain is just being dramatic, it's going in isolation, the death chamber... whatever will shut the insane ramblings up.

To be clear, I do not hear voices. I'm far from psychotic and more skit-so-frenic... meaning I can write a million scenes and endings (always frantically) for some very mundane thoughts. It's the writer in me: great for storytelling, but not so great for emotions which tend to take on lives of their own, the leading characters being Depression, Anxiety, and never to be underestimated, La Drama!

The new starring players are Positive, Hope and Faith. It's, in a nutshell, glorious.

I of course will falter again and again as I retrain my head muscle to focus on the "what is's", not "what if's." But after only three days, I feel 100% better. The brain really is a powerful device and, as always, there's the fine balance between squashing true emotions ("I'm mourning my dad's death") and bizarre projections ("I love the Christmas decoration tradition I started... but what if Pip swallows one and we end up in ER? And even if she is okay, will I remember Xmas each year as the day she had to poop out a green nutcracker? And will she be so traumatized that she hates the holidays and becomes sullen and angry each year? In which case, would my money have been better served saving for therapy instead of the 'Three for a Buck Holiday Bulbs' sale at the 99Cent Store?")

A woman in my online forum has a weekly online column dedicated to healthy living. She talks about this in one of her November posts and I encourage you to check her out. Even if you're like me who doesn't know yoga from ca-ca and thinks organtic eating is Frosted Flakes with some granola. She makes a ton of sense.

I leave you with the invitation to view the world through some new glasses today. If Pip can take off her pink shades for some green ones (a miracle in itself rivaling Helen Keller's sign language for coffee... wait, that was my sign language) you can try it to.

And get back to me.

Wednesday, December 13, 2006

No Small Poop

Today Pip, never one to conform to convention, decided that, in the middle of a crowded holiday toddler party, she "needed to go pooo nooooow." What's a mama to do but drop her pumpkin bread and haul booty to the "baby toilet" where Pip proceeds to hold the wall for support and squeeze out a number rivaling a Trader's Jo cheese log?

Moral of the story: sometimes, even when it is inconvenient, you must relieve your shit in a productive manner. Your life will be less smelly, your clothes will look fresher, and you won't be labeled as someone full of crap.

The Zen of Toilet Training. Look for it on the Best Smellers List next holiday season.

You know life is feeling better for me when I'm making poop analogies. Hope your day was flush with excitement, too. Oooh, I'm on a toilet roll.

Someone, make me stop. Get the plunger!

Anyone Got Some Weed?

With Rex at a business dinner and Pip sleeping at the rare hour of 5PM, Stink and I took it upon ourselves to clean up the front garden last night.
Lest you think Martha Stewart has invaded my little cul de sac of anxiety, let me inform you that by "garden" I mean "geraniums." And by "clean up" I mean "hack the crap" out of weeds the size of Clifford the Big Red Dog's sidewalk turds.

The wind was howling, and what began as a minor exercize to keep Stink from falling into a tv coma transformed into an all out war against petal sucking crab grass.

Pausing at a particularly stubborn root, Stink lay down his plastic hoe. "These weeds are bad to the flowers, huh Mommy?" Sensing the perfect parenting opportunity, I explained that weeds are like bad deeds and how we must destroy them to enjoy the flowers. Me: "Like today, when Albert took your sunglasses away." Stink, forlorn: "And I cried!!!" Me: "Yes, you were sad. Albert's act was that of a weed. And you're a flower!" At which he laughed, then quite indignantly said, "I'm not a flower! I'm a kid!"

Now tired of my analogy, he abandoned the flower bed for the more helpful task of throwing dried leaves into the SUV console. But as I labored on, I took to heart the very lesson I was telling Stink. If I allow the the weeds of negative thought - the roots of "what if" - to crowd my brain, I will never enjoy the garden of the present: my children, the holidays, and the new memories that can bloom.

So simple, but true. And of course, being the neurotic freak that I am, I will falter again and again as I retrain my brain to accept the present and future, not the past. But as I told Stink, gardens don't grow over night. Unless you live in Hollywood and can build a plastic oasis instantly on your soundstage. Which is how I used to see gardens. Which is why my fantasy thinking is so screwed up in the first place.

Away with you, rambling brain! Do you people see how I can get myself crazy!? Time to take out the mental plow and till till till.
Un-till tomorrow, peeps. Happy gardening.

Monday, December 11, 2006

Ho Ho Hum

I don't know what it is about Christmas this year. Normally I'm as cheery as Santa on lithium, but this year, the Grinch has taken hold of my heart with both paws and is spitting onto my anatomically correct gingerbread men. Don't get me wrong, I'm fighting it. Pop on by and you'll see a house with halls decked and canes candied. I even got the tree at the very beginning of the month so that wafts of pine could find its way into my nostrils, reminding me of Xmases past.

And therein lies the rub.

The Xmases past had my dad there. And all my parents' friends, all gathered gaily around the table in my childhood home. And, quite babyish I admit, all I had to do was show up and enjoy it.

Now with two young ones running around, it's my job to create the memories. Always one to embrace work, no one is more suprised than me that I'm suddenly being hit with a yule tide of emotions. Although my dad died three years ago on Thanksgiving, it was hard to really embrace his passing. Stink was nine months old and Pip was on her way. But, as fate would have it, lucky me gets to be slammed with grief at the height of baking and shopping. Joy to the world!

My mom has been great. Rex took the day off today to just hang out and let me sleep. That helped. (No sleep in three years will do a number on ya, too.)

I'm trying to remember to pray. And count my blessings. And of course to see the gift within the yuk... that if I feel sort of despondent these days - questioning life and what it's all for - with all my blessings - imagine what others who have so much less than me are going through? As soon as I get my verve back, I'm volunteering my time doing something. Anything. Life is too short for such dramatics.

I'm putting my cards on the table that God has a plan for me. Stay tuned.

Wednesday, December 06, 2006

Morning Person

It's 5am. I'm attempting to switch my schedule around. I figure if the kids sleep until 7, why not use the first two hours of the day to write? I can sit in front of the Xmas tree, peruse magazines, and sip my coffee without having to explain, "No, we can't lick the face off the 1960's nutcracker... Why? Because we can't. And I need the ten bucks to help out Santa, not Kaiser, when you need the glass pinecone dislodged from your lower intestine."

Then again, by tomorrow, I'll probably be woken in a stupor by Stink leaning over me, asking "Mommy, why are you drooling over the snowman pillow? And can you turn on Scooby? But first... wipe my butt."

As usual, I'm a woman conflicted. One side of brain: "I love these kids so much I could eat them." Other side of brain: "If I can't poop without requests for goldfish I will lose my mind."

I know the kids are young only once, and I don't want to look back over this time and think, I should have enjoyed them more. I don't think I will, because the truth is, I do so love these kids. Not one regret. Every day they are growing into emotional and responsible people who surprise me, enlighten me, and truly entertain me. But of course, I miss the small part of Mama P who enjoys being enlightened, suprised and entertained by, well, Mama P. (By things other than Elmo and grilled cheese sandwiches.)

So, once again, I'm putting on my war gear to go after that elusive enemy and friend: balance.

Which me luck - I'll be brave.

Or sleeping.

Monday, December 04, 2006


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NBC Hints at Fifth Season for Community

July 24, 2012  |  5:15pm
NBC Hints at Fifth Season for <i>Community</i>

After a series of nerve-wracking changes—including the removal of showrunner Dan Harmon and a shift to a new Friday night time slot—worried Community fans may have good reason to take a deep breath. It appears the show could be here to stay.

NBC Entertainment Chairman Robert Greenblatt told reporters at the Television Critics Association conference today that the show could last beyond next season if it performs well in its new Friday slot.

Citing poor ratings, NBC shortened 30 Rock and Community’s fourth season to 13 episodes in May. Greenblatt said he would love nothing more than for Community to continue, citing the show’s third-place performance among adults 18-49 as a major accomplishment for the network.

On the network’s controversial changes to the show, Greenblatt added:
“I think fans of ‘Community’ are going to get the same show they have loved from the beginning. Every so often, it’s time to make a change with a showrunner…You evaluate creatively how the show is run, how the writing staff is working. Sometimes you want to freshen the show. We just decided it was time to do that to ‘Community,’ no disrespect to anyone.”

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Résumé de : SALUZZO (JF), DIGOUTTE (JP), CORNET (M), BAUDON (M), ROUX (J) & ROBERT (V) - 1984 - Isolation of Crimean-Congo haemorrhagic fever and Rift valley fever viruses in Upper Volta. Lancet, N° 8387, Vol.1, pp. 1179.

During the end of the rainy season, from October to November 1983, the south eastern part of Upper Volta experienced a major epidemic of yellow fever. The outbreak occurred in an area of undifferentiared savannah of the dry rype, cattle raising area where large numbers of Peulh nomads have settled over the past ten years. The outbreak especially affected people living along forest galleries.
Bload samples and liver specimens from patients and pools of mosquitoes were collected. 5 strains of yellow fever virus obtained from 17 blood samples and 11 strains from 13 liver specImens. The virus isolations were made by inoculatlon into suckling mice. Aedes pseudoscutellaris (Mos 61) cells, and Toxorhynchites brevipalpis. 1 strain of Crimean Congot haemorrhaglc fever (CCHF) virus was also isolated from blood, by inoculatlon into suckling mice. The virus was not isolated ln cell culturcs or in Toxorhynchites. The virus was identified by complement fixation and neutralisation tests. The CCHF virus was isolated from the blood of a patient who presented with haemorrhagic syndrom and jaundice at first diagnosed as yellow fever. The patient survived. A serological survey in the patient's village picked up only 1serum among 42 that was positive for complement-fixing antibodies (titre 4) to the CCHF antigen This serum was negative by indirect immunofluorescence (IFA). In contrast, 28 of the 42 sera possessed complement-fixing antibodies (titres 8 to 256) against the yellow fever antigen. The only other case of CCHF virus Infection with haemorrhagic syndrome we know of from West Africa was in Mauritania (J. F. S., P Aubrey, McCormicK, J P.D., unpublished).
Fom 120 sylvatlc mosquito pools, 2 strains of Rift Valley fever(RVF) virus were isolated from a pool of 17 females Aedes (Aedimorphus) cumminsi and from a pool of 32 females Aedes (Diceromyia) furcifer caught inside a forest gallery. Virus isolationI obtained by inoculation into suckling mice after amplification in Toxorhinchites. Identification was by IHA and complement fixation test. The two RVF strains were reisolated by inoculation in A. pseudoscutellaris (Mos 61) cells. No cytopathic effect was observed, the virus was detected by IFA. Of 360 residents within the area where the RVF viruses were isolated 2 have fluorecent antibodies (32 and 512).
These findings extend the range of known RVF virus circulatlon into Upper Volta and add A. cumminsi and A. furcifer to the list of mosquitoes implicated as possible vectors or RVF virus in Africa. Investigation on the medical and veterinary significance of CCHF and RVF viruses in the south of Upper Volta are in progress.


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Does Multiculturalism Mean I Have To Eat Blood?

In the first of my series on multiculturalism, I spoke about eating whatever is set before us. Today I want to talk about one thing that, so far in my life, I have never managed to bring myself to eat. It is a good example perhaps of how some cultural values are so deeply entrenched it is impossible to shed them. I am speaking about a deep-seated revulsion I have to the concept of eating blood.Your reaction to the news that I will not eat blood will reveal a lot about your own cultural … [Read more...]

Multiculturalism – You Are What You Eat?

I thought I would do a short series of posts looking at some of the practical implications of thinking in a multicultural way within the context of a Christian worldview. There is probably nothing more firmly embedded in our cultural identities than what we choose to eat. If you are English of a certain age, then the chances are good that next Sunday you will be eating for lunch a roast dinner of meat, roast potatoes, gravy and some vegetables. Even if you are not able to produce such a meal, I … [Read more...]

TOAM08 VIDEO INTERVIEW – John KpiKpi, Part 4

In this segment of my conversation with John KpiKpi, I asked him about his experiences doing church planting in Africa:  … [Read more...]

TOAM08 VIDEO INTERVIEW – John KpiKpi, Part 3

John KpiKpi and I continue our discussion of multiculturalism. … [Read more...]

TOAM08 VIDEO INTERVIEW – John KpiKpi, Part 2

In this second part of my interview with John KpiKpi, I asked him about multiculturalism. … [Read more...]

VIDEO INTERVIEW – Mark Driscoll, Part 4 – Multiculturalism and Mission

Today I conclude my interview with Mark Driscoll. You can download the audio of the whole interviewand watch the final segment below. The three previous segments can be viewed at the following pages:Video Interview - Mark Driscoll, Part 1 - Prophecy and Newfrontiers Video Interview - Mark Driscoll, Part 2 - A Prophecy for Newfrontiers and Worship Video Interview - Mark Driscoll, Part 3 - Impressions of the UK During the course of this interview, Driscoll is very warm about … [Read more...]

VIDEO INTERVIEW – Mark Driscoll, Part 3 – Impressions of the UK

I continue my interview talking about Driscoll's impressions of the UK. … [Read more...]

Jubilee Church International Day

Today is one of the highlights in our church calendar. Once every year we celebrate our diversity by dressing up in national costumes of the many countries we represent as a congregation. There were 25 countries represented in a feature when each of them came up to the front in typical dress, to the sound of a typical piece of their music. After telling us a little about their nation, and praying, they read Psalm 86:9-10 in their own languages."All the nations you have made shall comeand worship … [Read more...]

MP3 On Multicultural Churches and Other Sermons by Tope Koleoso

I have just been listening to a message by my pastor, Tope Koleoso, who was recorded at a recent conference on building a multicultural church. I have become so used to what God has been doing these past couple of years at Jubilee that I sometimes need to remind myself that genuinely racially integrated churches are actually far from common. We truly have a lot to be grateful for. I really think you may well enjoy listening to Tope on this subject. The message can be downloaded or you can listen … [Read more...]

How to Build Multicultural Churches

Thankfully, many people today seem to have moved on from the ideas of the "homogenous church growth principle." I never could see how that whole idea wasn't just a thinly veiled form of racism, or at the very least, an accommodation with the racism of others. I think I would prefer to be a part of a church aiming to be multicultural, even if that means it might not grow as quickly as one where people's eager desire to flock together with others like themselves is not challenged.Having said that, … [Read more...]


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Al Mohler and Walter Price on the Young Guns

One of the most encouraging trends in evangelical church life that I’ve seen recently is the engagement of the older and younger generations of pastors and church leaders.  Instead of standing apart from and casting aspersions at one another, current leaders are reaching out to younger leaders, and helping them along. Walter Price, senior pastor [Read More...]

Rumbling in the SBC: 2009 Convention Dispatches

I’m in the River City (Louisville, KY) for vacation.  My trip has coincided with a number of fun events: first, the annual Southern Baptist Convention, and second, the 150th anniversary of Southern Seminary, my alma mater.  The SBTS extravaganza is tomorrow, so I’ll talk about that then.  For now, here are a few thoughts from the [Read More...]


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Did you know that the Appalachian Mountain range—which extends through many eastern U.S. states—originally jumped there out of the bottom of the ocean? Welcome to another evolutionary error. Read on. Evolutionary theory is a myth. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.

CONTENT: Problem of Geological Overthrusts: 2

Lewis Overthrust: It is 135 by 15 miles, yet it also supposed to have slid sideways from someplace else
The Matterhorn: This gigantically high mountain is supposed to have traveled there from 30 to 60 miles away
The Appalachians: We are supposed to believe that this immense range jumped out of the ocean!
The Mythen: This high Swiss peak is supposed to have run there all the way from Africa
Conclusion: When will the evolutionists admit their geologic theories are ridiculous?

This material is excerpted from the book, FOSSILS AND STRATA.
An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the books this Encyclopedia is based on, only 164 statements are by creationists.

You will have a better understanding of the following statements by scientists if you will also read the web page, Fossils and Strata.

The Lewis overthrust, in Montana ,is another example of the overthrust problem. It is massive in size!

"The Lewis overthrust of Montana has a length of approximately 135 miles [217.25 km] and a horizontal displacement of about 15 miles [24 km]. Its fault plane dips to the southwest at an angle of about 3 degrees."—*William D. Thornbury, Principles of Geomorphology (1954), p. 268.

Since Thornbury wrote the above lines, additional research has disclosed that the Lewis thrustblock is 3 miles [4.8279 km] deep, 135 miles [217 km] long, and 35 to 40 miles [56.3-64.4 km] wide! (See *C.P. Ross and *Richard Rezak, "The Rocks and Fossils of Glacier National Park," in U.S. Geological Survey Professional Paper, 294-K (1959), pp. 422, 424.)

That is a lot of rock! In order to protect their fossil strata theory, the evolutionists soberly tell us that ALL THAT ROCK moved sideways many miles from somewhere else. This massive overthrust is truly vast in size. On a map of North America, (1) place a penciled "X" on a point a little north of Crowsnest mountain on Highway 3. On the border of British Columbia and Alberta, Canada, (2) place a second "X" a little below Cut Bank, Montana. (3) Then go west, from that second "X" to the southern border of Glacier National Park, and include all of it to its southwestern border; place a third "X." (4) Now go north and include all of Glacier National Park to its northwest border; place a fourth "X." All that territory in the Pacific Northwest—with a thickness up to 3 miles [4.8 km] deep—is supposed to have traveled there from somewhere else!

Not only does the Lewis Overthrust include all of Glacier National Park and Chief Mountain, but what do you think is beneath it? —undisturbed shale! That is hardened clay that has never been disturbed. Shale crumbles easily when shattered or placed under grinding sideways pressure. That immense area of nearly horizontal rock is supposed to have slid sideways for a great distance over shale, without ever having disturbed it!

"The fault plane [as viewed from the Bow Valley] is nearly horizontal; and the two formations, viewed from the valley, appear to succeed one another conformably. The cretaceous shales [hardened clay beneath the Lewis overthrust] are bent sharply toward the east in a number of places; but, with this exception, have suffered little by the sliding of the limestone over them. And their comparatively undisturbed condition seems hardly compatible with the extreme faulting [horizontal sliding] which was necessary to bring them into their present position."—*J.L. Kulp, "Flood Geology," in Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, January 1950, pp. 1-15, quoting *R.G. McConnell, a Canadian geologist.

The Lewis overthrust should have pushed a great mass of broken rock (rubble or breccia) along in front of it and on its sides as it traveled sideways overland. But it did not do this. That, in itself, is a proof that the Lewis overthrust did not move sideways!

Commenting on the fact that there is an "absence of rubble or breccia" pushed up by the Lewis fault when it supposedly slid sideways for miles, *Ross and *Rezak, two experienced geologists, then express their own doubts:

"Such a slab moving over ground, as is now believed to have existed, should have scarred and broken the hills and have itself been broken to a greater or less extent, depending on local conditions. No evidence of either of these things has been found."—*C.P. Ross and *Richard Rezak, "Flood Geology," in Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, January 1950, p. 424.

A University of California scientist personally examined the point of contact where the Lewis fault rests on the rock beneath it, and made the following statement:

"At the actual contact line, very thin layers of shale were always present . . A thin band of soft shale sticks to the upper block of Altyn limestone. This seems to clearly indicate that, just before the Altyn limestone was deposited . . a thin wafer-like one-eighth to one-sixteenth inch layer of shale was deposited . . Careful study of the various locations showed no evidence of any grinding or sliding action or slicken sides such as one would expect to find on the hypothesis of a vast overthrust.

"Another amazing fact was the occurrence of two four-inch layers of Altyn limestone intercalated with [inserted between] Cretaceous shale . . Furthermore these were cemented both to the upper Altyn limestone and shale. Likewise careful study of these intercalations showed not the slightest evidence of abrasive action such as one would expect to find if these were shoved forward in between layers of shale as the overthrust theory demands."—Walter E. Lammerts, personal letter, dated November 27, 1957, to H.M. Morris, quoted in J.C. Whitcomb and H.M. Morris, The Genesis Flood (1961), pp. 189-191.

Fantastically large frictional forces would have to be overcome in sliding these mountainous masses of rock horizontally. No one has figured out how it could have been done. It is far beyond the laws of physics. But, undaunted, some evolutionists said it could happen if its undersurface were wet! One scientist (*Terzaghi) did some testing and found that water would actually increase frictional drag, not lessen it.

"The thickness of the Lewis Overthrust—the six layers of rock which are supposed to have slid sideways over "younger" strata—is surprising.

"This strata mix-up was first identified by Willis in 1901, who named it the Lewis Overthrust. Let us now consider the over-riding rock strata which forms the supposed thrust sheet. Starting at the bottom of the belt strata, the Altyn Limestone has an average thickness of 2,300 feet [701 m]. The Appekunny above it is 3,000 feet [914 m] thick. This continues on up until the rock column reaches a minimum height of three miles. These over-riding rocks form what is called the `Belt Series.' "—John W. Read, Fossils, Strata, and Evolution (1979), p. 30.

The Lewis Overthrust is 135 miles [217.25 km] long, and its maximum thickness is 3 miles [4.8 km]!

From top to bottom, this is what we find in the "belt strata" of the Lewis Overthrust, as viewed in Glacier National Park:

Kintla Argillite—This is found on some mountaintops.

Shepard Limestone—This limestone is 600 feet [183 m] in thickness.

Siyeh Limestone—This second layer of limestone is nearly a mile [1.6 km] thick, generally over 4,000 feet [1,219 m] from top to bottom!

Grinnell Argillite—Argil is a type of clay, and argillite is a fragile shale. This strata is over half-a-mile thick, 3,000 feet [914 m].

Appekunny Argillite—This second layer of shale is over 3,000 feet [914 m].

Altyn Limestone—Limestone is composed primarily of calcium carbonate and is not as strong as many other rocks. This layer averages nearly half-a-mile in thickness, 2,300 feet [701 m].

We have provided you with a detailed description of the Lewis Overthrust, in order to demonstrate the impossibility of the overthrust theory. But there are many other overthrusts elsewhere in the world. If the overthrust theory is incorrect—then the entire concept of the "geological column" is wrong,—and the rock strata, with their enclosed fossils, were NOT laid down over a period of long ages!

This theory requires that the gigantic Matterhorn mountain pushed itself sideways 30 to 60 miles.

Everyone has seen photographs of the triangular shaped Matterhorn. It lies in the Pennine Alps, on the border between Valais, Switzerland, and the Piedmont region of Italy. Located 40 miles [64.4 km] east of Mount Blanc, the Matterhorn is one of most spectacular mountains in the world. It looks like a gigantic, steeply pointed pyramid, and is 14,685 feet [4,476 m] in height.

Did you know that all of the Matterhorn—from bottom to top—is a gigantic overthrust! Evolutionary geologists tell us that the entire mountain moved there—horizontally—from many miles away!

It takes mountain moving to bolster up the flimsy theory of evolution.

The Matterhorn is supposed to have pushed its way sideways from some 30 to 60 miles [48.2-96.6 km] away. Traveling overland those long distances (probably stopping once in awhile to catch its breath), it successfully arrived without leaving any evidence of the grinding crunch it ought to have left in its wake. Yet the Matterhorn is only one of a number of Swiss mountains that are out of the standard geological order. They all had to be muscled into position from leagues away.

The massive Appalachian Range is supposed to have jumped out of the ocean!

As with many mountain ranges, geologists always thought that the Appalachians (which includes most of the mountains in Eastern America) were upthrust mountains—pushed up from below. But then they made a shocking discovery: Underneath it all is some supposedly "younger" strata. Well, there is only one answer to that:

"The Appalachians, which run from Newfoundland to Alabama, were probably formed not by upward thrusting, as previously believed, but by a thick conglomerate of oceanic and continental rock that was shoved horizontally at least 250 kilometers [155.3 mi] over existing sediments . .

"Beneath that jumble [of the Appalachians] . . lies a younger, flat, 1-5 km [.62-3.1 mi] thick layer of sediments that `no one thought existed.' The unbroken, wide extent of the layer . . and its similarity to sediments found on the East Coast indicates that the mountains `could not have been pushed up.' "—*Science News, 1979.

A small, but excellent 64-page booklet, that is filled with pictures and diagrams that focus on the "mixed-up strata" problem is Fossils, Strata, and Evolution (1979), by John G. Read.

Walter Lammerts spent years collecting geological articles dealing with the problem of overthrusts. He has published eight lists, documenting 198 wrong-order formations in the United States alone. (W.E. Lammerts, "Recorded Instances of Wrong-Order Formations or Presumed Overthrusts in the United States: Part 1-8," Creation Research Society Quarterly, eight issues between September 1984 and June 1987.)

Another massive mountain in the Swiss Alps is the Mythen Peak. This one is really a marathon runner. The Mythen ran all the way from Africa into Switzerland!

—It probably got wet as it went through the Mediterranean Sea! In this mountain you will find the Eocene strata (55 million years old) lying under Triassic (225 million), Jurassic (180 million), and Cretaceous (130 million) strata. According to the theory, the Eocene is supposed to be on top of the Cretaceous, Jurassic, and Triassic,—but instead it is under all three!

When will the evolutionists admit their geology theories are ridiculous?

Common sense disproves the evolutionary theory of overthrusts (sideways movements of immense rock masses from miles away), but three researchers decided in 1980 to check it out scientifically. They disproved the entire overthrust theory, as they showed that would produce so many fractures in the overthrust rock as to entirely crumble it! Such abnormally high pressure would be impossible. Here is how they described the problem in scientific language:

"If we assume that rocks have no tensile strength . . then when the pore fluid pressure exceeds the least compressive stress, fractures will form normal to that stress direction. These fractures limit pore pressure . . We suggest that pore pressure may never get high enough to allow gravity gliding . .; the rocks might fail in vertical hydrofracture first."—*J.H. Willemin, *P.L. Guth, and *K.V. Hodges, "High Fluid Pressure, Isothermal Surfaces for appreciable distances."—*Philip B. King, "The Anatomy and Habitat of Low-Angle Thrust Faults," in American Journal of Science, Vol. 258-A, 1960, p. 115.

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A Payson man who miraculously survived a 140-foot fall thanks to a grueling and dramatic rescue this week battled to recover after several operations, including one to reattach his pelvis to his spine on Friday.

Mike McEntire, 36, nearly died Aug. 13 in a Sedona canyon after losing control of a climbing rope and plummeting down a rocky ledge.

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Search and rescue members get ready to lift Mike McEntire out of Insomnia Canyon near Sedona.

McEntire battled intense pain from internal bleeding and broken bones for more than 24 hours and later told his wife Amber that only the determination to return to his wife and four children kept him alive.

Even that would not have been enough without the heroic efforts of rescue personnel and six climbing friends — one who ran miles up and down the canyon looking for a cell signal and others who stayed with him throughout the night.

After breaking both heels, several vertebrae and shattering his pelvis in six places, McEntire has an agonizing recovery ahead. Doctors say he may be walking again in three months, but will likely never canyoneer again.

And all it took was one split-second bad decision. McEntire told his wife he was “showing off” as doctors wheeled him into the hospital. McEntire, a veteran of more than 100 canyoneering trips, said he went too fast down a rappel.

A phone interview with Amber shed new light on what happened in that dark, damp canyon.

McEntire, a retired Payson dentist, and six friends, including a pharmacist, physical therapist and several engineers, loaded up their gear and headed to Sedona’s Insomnia Canyon, an advanced technical canyon leading into the West Fork of Oak Creek.

The group planned a day trip through the canyon. They successfully rappelled down several sections and swam through various pools to reach the final, 300-foot rappel.

McEntire’s friend Christian Alexander went down first and captured several photographs of McEntire as he descended — a dot high above on the towering cliff.

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As McEntire went down, he gained speed as he dropped through mid air, without the friction of his contact with the wall to slow him down. The most experienced climber in the group, McEntire liked to descend quickly and knew how to stop by throwing the rope over the rappel device.

However, McEntire missed when he threw the rope and didn’t have enough time to recover. He fell 100 feet before bouncing off a ledge and tumbling another 40 feet, landing in a pool of water.

When McEntire’s friends made it to him, they couldn’t find a pulse and all feared he had died, Amber said.

Luckily, he came to and had told them to move him out of the water, she said.

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Rescuers had to hoist a fallen climber’s shattered body up a 400-foot-high cliff face, trying to not bump him against the rocks.

With his body crushed and bleeding, McEntire hovered on the verge of death, but he knew he had to stay awake.

“He has such a high tolerance for pain that probably no one else would have been able to take it,” Amber said. “But that is one thing that saved him. With his medical background, he knows in an emergency situation if you don’t keep your wits, you die.”

Although McEntire carried with him an emergency location device that could send a distress signal, only he knew how to use it.

So one friend ran seven miles up the canyon for a cell signal.

At 9:30 p.m., Amber got a call that McEntire had been hurt, but few other details.

Given his love of extreme sports from kayaking to power paragliding, Amber said she had long braced herself for such a call. Still, she was shocked and agonized.

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“Search and rescue later said they didn’t think he would make it out alive,” Amber said.

At the hospital, McEntire’s doctors rushed him into surgery.

On Friday, he underwent surgery to put metal plates into his pelvis, which had been shattered and dislocated from his spine.

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Jeffrey Brown speaks with terrorism experts about the potential threats coming out of Yemen.

JEFFREY BROWN: And now we broaden out the view of Yemen and al-Qaida. Barbara Bodine was U.S. ambassador to Yemen from 1997 to 2001, a period that included the attack on the USS Cole. She’s now diplomat in residence at Princeton’s Woodrow Wilson School. Fawaz Gerges is professor of Middle Eastern politics at the London School of Economics and author of two books on jihadism.

Barbara Bodine, a failing state is how we just heard Yemen described. What — what would you call it?

BARBARA BODINE, former U.S. Ambassador to Yemen: I would call it a fragile state.

Yemen is sometimes described as the almost always failing state. Its economy has always been in a shambles. It’s always been resource-poor. It’s always had ungovernable hinterlands. And it’s always had a — a weak central government.

One of the miracles of Yemen is that it’s never quite failed, but it also never quite succeeds. And the issue before us now is not to write it off as a failed or even failing state, but try to see what we can do to keep it from going to the wrong side of the failure curve.

JEFFREY BROWN: Professor Gerges, what do you see? And what — what does that say about the potential vacuum of power there?

FAWAZ GERGES, professor of Middle Eastern politics and international relations, London School of Economics: I think the situation is extremely volatile and fragile in Yemen. I mean, every time I visit Yemen, I see a deteriorating security situation, a declining social and economic situation.

What has happened is that, really, this particular storm has been brewing for the last few years. And it seems it has finally reached a climax. And the danger lies in the convergence between a depending structural, social, and political, and economic crisis, and also multiple tribal, ideological and political divisions that are pushing the country to the brink of all-out war.

When we talk about the economy here, we need to remind our viewers that more than 40 percent of Yemenis now are unemployed. A majority of the 28 million Yemenis live in absolute poverty. The ability of the state to deliver the social goods has diminished considerably.

President Saleh, who has been in power for 30 years, does not really have the ability to either co-opt adversaries, as he used to, or even to maintain friends. And, as Ambassador Bodine mentioned, you have a mini civil war in the north by a powerful tribe called the Houthi.

You have the south that basically is trying to break away from the union. So, you have this convergence between a deepening social and economic crisis and also political divisions. And what al-Qaida has been trying to do, and particularly in the last two or three years, is to basically embed itself within those local conflicts to basically integrate itself, and basically lead the fight against the Saleh regime.

FAWAZ GERGES: The danger doesn’t lie — the danger doesn’t lie in the fact that you have dozens or 200 or 300 jihadists, basically, in Yemen. Yemen has always had a contingent, a large contingent, of jihadists.

My fear itself is that the jihadists in Yemen now are trying to lead the struggle, the internal struggle, that’s taken place against the Yemeni state.

JEFFREY BROWN: Well, Ambassador Bodine, do we know yet — when we refer to this as a regional wing of al-Qaida, which is how it’s been referred to…

JEFFREY BROWN: … do we know what that means? How much independence does it have? Does it pursue its own agenda, or is it somehow centralized with — with al-Qaida in Afghanistan and Pakistan?

BARBARA BODINE: Right. I don’t think that we know exactly what its relationship is to al-Qaida central.

There are two wings of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. It sounds very nice to say that they had a declaration in January where they combined forces, but you still have a Saudi wing and a Yemeni wing. The Yemeni wing is primarily a domestic issue. It’s got its own agenda. It’s got its own look and its set of grievances.

And then you have the Saudi wing. And the Saudi wing includes the leadership. They are pursuing a completely different agenda. And what their connection may be to Pakistan, Afghanistan, I don’t think we know. But their agenda is very different.

And I think that there is a question how far they can take this thing as a joint — as a joint effort. And I’m not sure I fully agree with the professor that al-Qaida is trying to get ahead and trying to take the leadership on the various elements of — of tension and strife in the country. I think they have a limit to how far they can go in terms of popular support.

JEFFREY BROWN: But does it surprise you, in a case like this — here, we have a suspect who’s a Nigerian — African coming…

JEFFREY BROWN: And so it looks as though al-Qaida is branching out away from local concerns.

BARBARA BODINE: Well, I think this is the most troubling aspect of the — the Nigerian attempt, is, there has been an al-Qaida presence in Yemen for at least 15 years, but it’s always been the warehousing of fairly low — fairly low-level al-Qaida operatives.

If these stories — and there’s increasing reason to believe they are true, the stories that he went to Yemen, that he got the technology there, and then was sent to the states. This would be the first time that there’s been a non-al-Qaida central attack on the U.S. And that is a qualitative change, even if it was unsuccessful.

JEFFREY BROWN: And, Professor Gerges, you see — do you see this as a bump up in the approach of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula? And what should be done?

FAWAZ GERGES: I don’t think we have, really, evidence. I mean, the weight of evidence, we still — the jury is still out.

The big point to highlight — and, here, I want to say a few words about the internal. I mean, the truth is that al-Qaida is a byproduct of the deepening social and economic crisis in Yemen itself. I mean, let’s take what the south has been trying to do in the last one year or so.

One of the top leaders of the separate movement in the south itself is a jihadi, that is, and you have in the eastern provinces, also, the jihadist footprint has become greater in the last two or three years. What I’m trying to suggest is that the convergence of social and economic difficulties and political divisions and the inability of the Yemeni state to basically respond to the challenges could easily plunge Yemen into all-out war, unless, unless the international community, the United States and Arab and Muslim states construct a political vision in order to deal with the deepening structural, economic and social crisis in Yemen.

And what I mean by that, the worst thing that the United States can do is to basically view this particular challenge in terms of counterterrorism. This is not just a counterterrorism question. It’s about inclusive governance. It’s about pervasive corruption. It’s about pervasive poverty. It’s about the fact that the state itself is trying to use military might to suppress local identities and local challenges to its integrity and central authority.

JEFFREY BROWN: And, briefly, a last word, Ambassador Bodine. What do you see the role for the U.S. to step in here?

BARBARA BODINE: I think there’s — there’s two roles. One is to address the immediate security issue.

But I would agree that, if that was all we did, we would not be solving the problem. We need to get — we need to work with Yemen — and I would agree with the professor — with the international community to try to work on those elements of legitimacy, as opposed to just the authority of the state, work on the delivery in the social services, work on the inclusion of the population, work on the corruption problem.

And that’s what I meant by getting ahead of the failure curve. We learned a lot in Afghanistan and Iraq about how that security wasn’t enough, that you had to work on the protection of the people, and their livelihood. And we need to sort of take those lessons and apply them pre-crisis, pre-failure in Yemen.

JEFFREY BROWN: All right, Barbara Bodine and Fawaz Gerges, thank you both very much.

FAWAZ GERGES: Thank you.