text:
 Periodic Limb Movement Disorder: Read About Medication

Sleep Disorders and Periodic Limb Movement Disorder

Introduction to PLMD

Periodic limb movement disorder (PLMD) is a sleep disorder characterized by rhythmic movements of the limbs during sleep. The movements typically involve the legs, but upper extremity movements may also occur. Movements occur periodically throughout the night and can fluctuate in severity from one night to the next. They tend to cluster in episodes that last anywhere from a few minutes to several hours. These movements are very different from the normal spasms, called hypnic myoclonia, that we often experience initially while trying to fall asleep.

What Causes PLMD?

The causes of PLMD are unknown. However recent research has shown that people with a variety of medical problems, including Parkinson's disease and narcolepsy, may have frequent periodic limb movements in sleep.

PLMD may be caused by medications, most notably, antidepressants.

What Are the Symptoms of PLMD?

Symptoms of PLMD are usually leg movements with the extension of the big toe in combination with a partial flexing of the ankle, knee, or hip. Movement of the legs is more typical than movement of the arms. It can often cause a partial or full brief awakening resulting in fragmented sleep. Patients are frequently unaware of these movements.

How Is PLMD Diagnosed?

A sleep partner may observe PLMD, which often affect the partner before the patient knows of his or her behavior. In other cases, the diagnosis is made on an overnight polysomnogram (a test that records bodily functions during sleep). This test is often used to assess the cause of daytime sleepiness or recurrent awakenings from sleep. Blood work may be done in order to test iron status, folic acid, vitamin B12, thyroid function, and magnesium levels.

How Is PLMD Treated?

Generally, there are several classes of drugs that are used to treat PLMD. These include the Parkinson's disease drugs, anticonvulsant medications, benzodiazepines, and narcotics. Current treatment recommendations consider the anti-Parkinson's medications as a first line of defense. Medical treatment of PLMD often significantly reduces or eliminates the symptoms of these disorders.

There is no cure for PLMD and medical treatment must be continued to provide relief.

What Should Someone With PLMD Avoid?

The use of caffeine often intensifies PLMD symptoms. Caffeine-containing products such as chocolate, coffee, tea, and soft drinks should be avoided. Also many antidepressants can worsen PLMD.

WebMD Medical Reference

National Sleep Foundation. National Institutes of Health.

Reviewed by Louis R. Chanin, MD on March 03, 2010

Last Editorial Review: 3/3/2010

© 2005-2015 WebMD, LLC. All rights reserved.
Source article on WebMD

Patient Comments

Viewers share their comments

PLMD - Experience Question: Please describe your experience with PLMD.
PLMD - Treatment Question: What was the treatment for your PLMD?
PLMD - What to Avoid Question: If you've been diagnosed with PLMD, what types of foods, beverages, or medications do you avoid?
PLMD - Symptoms Question: Describe the symptoms associated with your PLMD.

Sleep Disorders

Are You Sleep Deprived?

Medical Author: Melissa Conrad Stöppler, MD
Medical Editor: Jay W. Marks, MD

No matter how much sleep you need, if you don't get enough, you will suffer the effects of sleep deprivation. Individuals vary in their need for sleep. Some people require nine or more hours of sleep per night, while others may not feel deprived after just five hours of sleep. But the average adult requires seven to eight hours of sleep per night.

Are you getting enough sleep? Ask yourself the following questions:

  1. Do you often feel drowsy during the day?
  2. Do you usually fall asleep within the first five minutes after lying down in bed?

If you answered yes to either of these, you're likely to be sleep deprived or have a sleep disorder. There are many different types of sleep disorders. Examples include:

  • insomnia,
  • sleep-related breathing disorders such as sleep apnea,
  • periodic limb movement disorder, and...


Content-Type: application/http; msgtype=response

WARC-Type: response

text:
 Streptococcal Infections Symptoms, Causes, Treatment - How are group A streptococcal (GAS) infections contracted? - MedicineNet

Streptococcal Infections (cont.)

Medical Author:
Medical Editor:
Medical Editor:

How are group A streptococcal (GAS) infections contracted?

In most instances, GAS bacteria are contracted from other people by direct contact with mucus, skin, or infected lesions. Spread of the GAS organisms occurs infrequently by items that have made contact with infected people. However, many people are colonized (have the bacteria on body surfaces but are not infected) with GAS bacteria. Infants and children often first acquire these organisms from their colonized mothers.

What diseases are caused by group A streptococcal infection?

There are a number of diseases that GAS organisms can cause. The predominant diseases are as follows:

  • Pharyngitis (strep throat, Fig. 2)
  • Scarlet fever
  • Rheumatic fever
  • Glomerulonephritis
  • Impetigo
  • Cellulitis (almost anywhere on the body; see erysipelas below)
  • Wound infections
  • Bone infections
  • Sinusitis
  • Pneumonia
  • Meningitis
  • Necrotizing fasciitis (sometimes termed a flesh-eating disease)
  • Toxic shock syndrome
  • Puerperal fever (fever after pregnant female delivers)
  • Erysipelas (cellulitis of the skin, often the facial skin)

This list is not exhaustive as GAS bacteria have been found in many other disease processes. In addition, many of the diseases listed above may also be caused by many other pathogens, although the first three listed (pharyngitis, scarlet fever, and rheumatic fever) are predominantly caused by GAS. Some investigators consider most of these diseases as complications of an initial GAS skin or throat infection.

Medically Reviewed by a Doctor on 10/16/2014

Patient Comments

Viewers share their comments

Streptococcal Infections - Treatment Question: What was the treatment for your streptococcal disease?
Streptococcal Infections - Causes Question: What caused your streptococcal infection?
Streptococcal Infections - Diagnosis Question: How was your streptococcal (GAS) infection diagnosed?
Streptococcal Infections - Signs and Symptoms Question: What were the signs and symptoms associated with your GAS infection, and what type did you have?

warcinfo:
robots: classic
hostname: ip-10-180-206-219.ec2.internal
software: Nutch 1.6 (CC)/CC WarcExport 1.0
isPartOf: CC-MAIN-2015-22
operator: CommonCrawl Admin
description: Wide crawl of the web for May 2015
publisher: CommonCrawl
format: WARC File Format 1.0
conformsTo: http://bibnum.bnf.fr/WARC/WARC_ISO_28500_version1_latestdraft.pdf


text:
 zalcitabine, Hivid - discontinued: Drug Facts, Side Effects and Dosing

zalcitabine, Hivid - discontinued

Pharmacy Author:
Medical and Pharmacy Editor:

GENERIC NAME: zalcitabine

BRAND NAME: Hivid (Discontinued)

DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Zalcitabine is an oral medication that is used for the treatment of infections with the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). It is in a class of drugs called reverse transcriptase inhibitors which also includes lamivudine (Epivir), zidovudine (Retrovir), didanosine (Videx), and stavudine (Zerit). During infection with HIV, the HIV virus multiplies within the body's cells. The newly-formed viruses then are released from the cells and spread throughout the body where they infect other cells. In this manner, the infection continually spreads to new, uninfected cells that the body is continually producing, and HIV infection is perpetuated. When producing new virus, the HIV virus must manufacture new DNA for each virus. Reverse transcriptase is the enzyme that the virus uses to form this new DNA. Specifically, zalcitabine is converted within the body to its active form (dideoxycytidine triphosphate). This active form is similar to a compound (deoxycytidine triphosphate), a chemical that is used by the HIV virus to make new DNA. The reverse transcriptase uses dideoxycytidine triphosphate instead of deoxycytidine triphosphate for making DNA, and the dideoxycytidine triphosphate interferes with the action of the reverse transcriptase. Zalcitabine does not kill existing HIV virus, and it is not a cure for HIV. Zalcitabine was approved by the FDA in June 1992.

Report Problems to the Food and Drug Administration

You are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA. Visit the FDA MedWatch website or call 1-800-FDA-1088.

Pill Finder Tool

Need help identifying pills and medications?
Use the pill identifier tool on RxList.

Back to Medications Index


WARC-Truncated: length

text:
FDA OKs Test for HTLV Screening, Diagnosis

WASHINGTON -- The FDA has approved a test that screens a donor's blood and blood components for antibodies to viruses that can cause leukemia and neurologic diseases.

The Avioq HTLV-I/II Microelisa System is the first test approved for both scanning blood for antibodies to human T-lymphotropic virus type I and II (HTLV-I and -II), and helping diagnose infection with them, an FDA statement said.

The test was approved for live donors' blood, as well as for testing serum and plasma specimens of potential organ donors and as an aid in diagnosis of HTLV-I and -II infection and related diseases. The system is not approved for non-living patients or for cord blood screening.

HTLV-I and -II can be transmitted through blood transfusion, organ transplant, used syringes, sex, and breastfeeding by infected mothers. Blood donors in the U.S. require screening for the viruses before donating.

The system allows for manual and automated screening. Automated processes are done through the ORTHO Summit System, the statement said.

The test is manufactured by Avioq.

last updated

Next Article


text:
Down and Dirty 5-Miler

The DIRTY Trail Race Series is a new series of 16 trail races in Northeast Ohio. Races vary in length from 8K (4.8 miles) to 21K (13.1 miles).

Join us for this 5-Miler!

Join or login to comment.

  • S.C.

    Where r we meeting exactly?

    March 16, 2013

4 went

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Imagine having a community behind you

Get started Learn more

I decided to start Reno Motorcycle Riders Group because I wanted to be part of a group of people who enjoyed my passion... I was excited and nervous. Our group has grown by leaps and bounds. I never thought it would be this big.

Henry, started Reno Motorcycle Riders

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Lynn C.

Washington, DC

Member since:

August 29, 2014

Is data wrangling part of your full-time job?

No answer yet

What would you like to learn about at this meetup?

No answer yet

No introduction yet

Our Sponsors

  • ARPC

    Economic, financial, statistical, analytics and operational consulting.

  • Data Community DC

    DWDC is a proud member meetup of the DC2 community.

    15% off EVERYTHING with code "DC2"

  • Cloudera

    Organizational sponsor of Data Community DC!

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Peter K.

San Francisco, CA
Hometown: San Francisco

Member since:

May 21, 2012

Hi everyone. I am not a very good bowler (in fact I hadn't bowled for 10 years until a few months ago) but it's a fun activity and (I hope) a good way to make new friends. Thanks for organizing this group, Carnell.

What Peter K. is saying about this Meetup Group

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Elizabeth C.

Brooklyn, NY

Member since:

April 3, 2013

Why are you interested in this group?

Meet more queer people in the city.

What are your Interests? What activities would you suggest for this group?

Literature, Socializing, anything and everything

What's your occupation?

Studio Manager

Any talents you would like to share with the group?

I'm a 25 year-old recent NYU graduate working whose managing a small sound editing start-up. I'm always looking for new friends.

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Darren H.

Long Beach, CA

Organizer since:

March 11, 2010

Are you interested in learning Improv?

No answer yet

Are you interested is updates on Held2Gether performances?

No answer yet

No introduction yet

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
This group is for Twin Cities area thinkers, innovators, and creatives interested in forming an idea infrastructure  to support creative thinking.   The coral reef is a metaphor for just such an environment.

IdeaEcos is like a coral reef providing a nutrient rich environment for its participants to nurture their ideas through discussions and activities.

The group's purpose is to build an idea sharing ecosystem to support our individual creative efforts.

Ideas and innovation flourish when they are shared in a community.  Ideas morph and grow when combined with new perspectives and the "spare parts" used in different fields.

Join in –

  • describe your ideas or slow hunch;
  • participate in a new activity and learn new thinking tools;
  • contribute to the creation, diffusion, and adoption of a common, idea-growing ecosystem.

All professions, educational backgrounds and ages are welcome and encouraged to join/participate in this group.

This group will be FREE of charge as much as possible, but there may be charges for special events and activities.

“…the most productive tool for generating good ideas remains a circle of humans at a table, talking shop” (Where Good Ideas Come From by Steven Johnson, pg 61)

Join us and be the first to know when new Meetups are scheduled
Log in with Facebook to find out
By creating a Meetup account, you agree to the Terms of Service

Recent Meetups

What's new

Founded May 16, 2009

Help support your Meetup

Chip in

Create a Meetup Group and meet new people

Get started Learn more

I decided to start Reno Motorcycle Riders Group because I wanted to be part of a group of people who enjoyed my passion... I was excited and nervous. Our group has grown by leaps and bounds. I never thought it would be this big.

Henry, started Reno Motorcycle Riders

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
This group's content is available only to members

You can still join the group, or contact the Organizer(s) to learn more

Already a member? Log in.

New York, NY

Founded Oct 25, 2009

About us…

Help support your Meetup

Chip in

John S., Chris Gampat, rNYCmeetups
We're about:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Linda K

Manchester, NH
Hometown: Manchester

Member since:

November 19, 2012

I am the New England area Club President for a private entrepreneurial organization that assists business owners, entrepreneurs, inventors and investors. Organization is relatively unknown here, but is big on the west coast!

Member of 67 other Meetups

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
November 9, 2012 - 13 went

Day Hike! Off the beaten path at Flatwoods Park at BRUCE B. DOWNS trailhead.

In this photo:

There are no tags for this photo

Added by alex
on Nov 9, 2012.

Want to comment on this photo?

Sign in, if you're already a member of this group or Join Suncoast Chapter - FLORIDA TRAIL ASSOCIATION

Other photo albums

Move photo

Do you want to move this photo to “__ALBUM_NAME__”?

Are you sure you want to delete this photo?

Yes, I'm Sure

Are you sure you want to delete this comment?

Yes, I'm Sure

Our Sponsors

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Vancouver, BC

Member since:

December 11, 2012

What would you like to do to help make a B Movie?

I'd love to do some acting and also some singing and I could try some dancing too if it's needed. I'm also good at writing, so maybe I could later try some of that as well. I'd be interested in anything requiring a British accent or some spoken Italian. My main interest at the moment is in getting acting experience and developing my confidence in that area.

Hi, I'm very interested in acting and getting more experience and confidence in acting as well as singing. I've travelled extensively to every continent and lived in many countries.

What Elizabeth is saying about this Meetup Group

I've only attended their meetings once, but they seem like a nice group. I'd like to have the chance to do more actual acting.

Member of

  • This member chose not to make their Meetup membership information public.

  • This member chose not to make their interests public.

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Meet Kala Ambrose on Friday at Wonderland!

From: Alice Osborn, W.
Sent on: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:28 PM
Hi Everyone,
Looks like we're going to have a great crowd for Kala Ambrose, Cary author of Ghosthunting North Carolina. We'll be meeting in the usual place/time: Fri Sept 30th from 10:15-11:45am in Room 120 (downstairs in the back by the large print/romance section).  RSVP on our site:
Visit for more info about Kala and her work.
Since there's going to be more us than usual, I'll push the table to the wall and borrow some chairs--there should be enough room, but that being said, try to come at 10am for the best seat!
I'll also bring donuts from Dunkin Donuts, so come slightly hungry, too!
see you all Friday for some spooky fun!
Alice Osborn, M.A.
Write From the Inside Out
[masked] Falls of Neuse #294
Raleigh, NC 27615

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Renee H.

Carrollton, TX

Member since:

August 4, 2013

No introduction yet

What Renee H. is saying about this Meetup Group

Great to see so many Bronco Fans in Dallas!

Our Sponsors

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Sarah E.

Chicago, IL
Hometown: Chicago

Member since:

September 5, 2012

Are you on the Account side or Creative?

No answer yet

What is your area of expertise?

No answer yet

How many years have you been in the business?

No answer yet

What would you like to get out of this group?

No answer yet

What other industry groups do you belong to?

No answer yet

No introduction yet

Member of

  • This member chose not to make their Meetup membership information public.

  • This member chose not to make their interests public.

Our Sponsors

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Akul D.

Hometown: Singapore

Member since:

December 10, 2012

How did you find this group?

Meetup? :) It was recommended to me!

A proud vegetarian of 7 years who has just started cooking his own vegetarian awesomeness :D

Member of

  • This member chose not to make their Meetup membership information public.

Suggested min. donation

$0.00 Give what you feel.

This covers: Meetup.com website fees, which charges the organiser US$144 per year.

Payment is accepted using:

  • Cash or check

Your organizer will refund you if:

  • Please contact your organizer for more details.

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
Play Monday Pick Up Soccer

This pickup game is open to anyone!

Sign up as a whole team, with a few friends, or by yourself. When you arrive at the field, we will have pinnies to differentiate the teams, a game ball, and staff on site to get the game organized and keep things running smoothly. We're playing for 1 hour and will stop for a couple breaks. There is no minimum or maximum number of females required for the teams.

We're limiting the teams to 2 subs at the most so everyone gets plenty of playing time.

$7 if you RSVP and pay online

$8 if you RSVP and pay at the field

$10 for walk-ups (only if there is room)

We will start the game on time at 9:00. Please arrive no later than 8:55 to check in, pay (if needed), and warm up. You may pay online beforehand or you can bring cash to the facility.

As long as we have enough players, we'll play two teams of 6v6 with a cap of 8 players per team. We're good about balancing the teams so that everyone feels like they're having a competitive game.

What does the winner get? Bragging rights! We'll snap a picture of the winning team and post it up on the meetup site.

Space is limited, so sign up early. We'll adjust the size of the game if we don't have enough for three teams of 6v6. However, if less than 8 people sign up, we'll cancel the game by 4:00pm on the day of.

We're happy to keep friends together on the same team. Just be sure to include your request in the comments section when you RSVP.

Join or login to comment.

6 went

Your organizer's refund policy for Play Monday Pick Up Soccer

Refunds offered if:

  • the Meetup is cancelled

Payments you make go to the organizer, not to Meetup. You must make refund requests to the organizer.

Create a Meetup Group and meet new people

Get started Learn more

I decided to start Reno Motorcycle Riders Group because I wanted to be part of a group of people who enjoyed my passion... I was excited and nervous. Our group has grown by leaps and bounds. I never thought it would be this big.

Henry, started Reno Motorcycle Riders

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy


text:
the joy of thank you | a box of merci is one gift everyone always remembers

Eight indulgent ways to say merci® for being you!

  • Milk Chocolate

    Solid milk chocolate at its smooth, creamy European best.

  • Marzipan

    Marzipan, with its rich almond flavor, inside smooth dark chocolate.

  • Dark Mousse

    Fluffy chocolate mousse wrapped in rich dark chocolate.

  • Coffee and Cream

    Rich, coffee-flavored dark chocolate atop a white chocolate base.

  • Hazelnut-Creme

    Milk chocolate filled with a smooth hazelnut cream.

  • Praline-Creme

    Luscious milk chocolate with a smooth praline center.

  • Hazelnut-Almond

    Delicate pieces of hazelnuts and almonds in smooth milk chocolate.

  • Dark Cream

    Smooth, rich, melt-in-your-mouth dark chocolate.

Share the Joy of Thank You...

merci chocolates

...when you give the gift of merci®

  • Europe's favorite gift giving chocolate
  • Individually wrapped
  • Delicious selection of assorted fine European chocolate
  • The sweetest way to say thank you

Sometimes a routine Thank You just isn't enough.

The Joy of Thank You starts with merci® individually wrapped European chocolates. Since 1965, Europeans have been saying Thank You with merci®, and now you can too. Each slim, stylish gift box of Merci® chocolates contains a variety of individually wrapped European chocolates. Merci® chocolates are created by master confectioners with the finest ingredients and are the perfect gift for holiday party hosts, coworkers, teachers, house-sitters, dog-watchers, baby-sitters, and anyone else that deserves a very special thank you.


text:
Exxelia Group

Incorporating Eurofarad, Sic Safco, Firadec, Microspire, Dearborn Electronics, Temex Ceramics, Astema and Vertura. Exxelia Group offers Specialist Capacitors, Filters, Precision Sensors, Slip Rings and Wound Magnetic Components.

Eurofarad Specialist Multi-Layer Ceramic and Plastic Film Capacitors. EMI/RFI, Energy and HEMP Filters. Precision Potentiometers, Slip Rings, Optical Encoders, RVDTs and Sub-Assemblies for Defence, Aerospace and Space Applications.
Sic-Safco Aluminium Electrolytic Capacitors, Capacitor Banks and Modules for Industrial, Railway, Hi-Rel, Defence and Aerospace Applications.
Firadec Tantalum (Wet and Solid) Capacitors for the Professional Electronics, Space and Aerospace Industries..
Microspire High Precision Inductors, Transformers, Motor Stators and Windings for High Performance Applications in Professional, Defence, Aerospace and Space Markets.
Temex Ceramics Ceramic Single Layer and Multi-Layer Capacitors, Trimmer Capacitors and Tuning Elements. Ferrite Materials, Dielectrics and Loads for Telecom, Aerospace and Space.
Dearborn Electronics Specialist Film Capacitors for Defence and Aerospace Applications.
Astema and Vertura Component and Sub-Assembly Manufacturing.

Select a Principal…

…or select a letter to browse


text:
Guide to choosing the right broadband plan in Australia

LEON Saw deciphers the jargon surrounding broadband internet plans in Australia and offers some advice on choosing one.

Graphic: Vera Lam

Choice is a wonderful thing to have, but too much of it, and you end up with analysis paralysis.

With more than 12 internet service providers (ISPs) here in Australia, each of them offers a myriad of broadband plans with various combinations of – and at times confusing – features. Trying to select the one that best suits your budget and needs as an international student can be a mind-boggling experience.

To do so without deferring the decision or palming it off to your poor friend or housemate, you’ll need to understand what type of broadband each plan offers, how much data is allocated and when you can use it, the length of the plan, and exactly how much you’ll be paying for it all.

Broadband Type

The main types of broadband offered are ADSL2+, Naked Broadband, and Mobile Broadband.

ADSL2+ has a maximum download speed of 24,000 kilobytes per second (kbps) and is delivered to your home via the telephone socket. Hence before signing up for a plan with it, you’ll need to have a home phone plan from an Australian telecommunications company. Some ISPs have their own home phone plans and bundle them with their ADSL2+ broadband plans into a package, which may or may not be cheaper depending on how often you use the home phone.

Naked Broadband works like ADSL2+ but doesn’t need a home phone plan to work. Plans with it aren’t necessarily cheaper than ADSL2+ bundles though.

Mobile Broadband offers download speeds of up to 1,500 kbps and can be accessed from most parts of Australia via the included USB modem.

Graphic: Vera Lam

Data Allowance

The data allowance of broadband plans range from as low as a few gigabytes to being unlimited. They indicate how much data (measured in bytes) the ISP allows you to transfer between your device and the internet every month, for the duration of the plan.

In some plans, the data allowance is split into peak and off peak usage. This means if your broadband plan states that its data allowance is 500 gigabytes (GB), 250GB peak, 250GB off peak a month – it means up to 500GB of data may be transferred each month, and of the 500GB, 250GB is allocated for use during peak hours and the rest during off peak ones. The peak and off peak hours vary depending on the ISP and the broadband plan.

If you use up your data allowance before a month is up, you’ll be charged for any extra data that goes between your device and the internet, or your broadband speed will be reduced to the point where even checking emails is a hassle, depending on the conditions of your plan.

If you use up the data allowance allocated to the designated peak hours, accessing the internet during that period could also incur charges for your extra data usage, while the stipulated off peak hours will remain unaffected, and vice versa.

After a month, the allowance would be 500GB again, regardless of whether you had any data left from the previous month.

Length, Cost and Additional Fees

Broadband plans vary in length, from a month up to 24 months, and can usually be renewed after they expire.

The cost of broadband plans is advertised as monthly payments until the expiration date, with minimum total cost indicated. However, you should still examine the fine print as each ISP has its own additional setup charges as well. ISPs in Australia have been known to fall afoul of the law with unethical advertising.

Some general recommendations

So hopefully, you’d now have a better grasp of the terms and conditions of broadband plans offered in Australia. Here are a couple of general recommendations to help you decide which one to go for.

If you play video games online, on a home computer, go for the ADSL2+ or Naked Broadband, depending on the home phone usage. If you use a laptop or mobile device to read emails and surf the internet on the go, you’ll be better off with the Mobile Broadband.

If you stream plenty of videos, you’ll need a broadband plan with a sizable data allowance. Or, if you don’t want to worry about exceeding the allowance and coping penalties, take the unlimited option. Otherwise, a data allowance of few gigabytes is more than sufficient for web browsing.

Last but not least, obviously don’t choose a broadband plan with a duration that’s longer than your remaining time in Australia, or a plan that you can’t afford.

2 total comments on this postSubmit yours
  1. In selecting a broadband plan, you must first know how you want to use it. If you are a mobile person and mostly do work on the field and doing only browsing, mobile plans are applicable to you. Fixed connections are applicable to home and work places as you don’t have to be on-the-go all the time. The types of connnections vary, particularly how fast the internet speeds should be or how much your usage needs.

  2. Choosing a suitable mobile broadband service provider involves a number of considerations and you have to be careful before settling with the final plan. Here are some tips : You have to take a market survey here prior to choosing the final provider. Pick up 4-5 potential cell phones broadband service providers and study them thoroughly. The broadband service provider you are taking to should come up with versatile plans to choose from. For example, if you are using the mobile broadband as just a backup to your already existing PC internet connection, then you won’t need to pay for a long-term contract. This is a very important point to look out for while choosing your mobile broadband service provider. If you are using the cell phone broadband on a larger scale, involving huge volume of media or content you have to ensure that the provider guarantees top-rate speed. Get more info at :

Submit your comment

Please enter your name

Please enter a valid email address

Please enter your message

Meld Magazine was incorporated as an independent not-for-profit media outlet in September 2008 to reach out to international students in Melbourne, and provide students the opportunity to gain real work experience.

Many international students live in or around the city because of the proximity to their colleges and universities, and that was where we decided to focus our efforts first. Many of us live, work and study locally too. Our editorial team is made of both local and international students, and it has worked to our advantage in providing local content in every sense of the word.

Meld Magazine – Melbourne's international student news website © 2015 All Rights Reserved


text:
The Best Of Personal Health And Business Success With Melissa Mann

Hey it’s Melissa here.

I am creating this blog to share my experience and hopefully help others who are on similar paths as me.

The best green tea detox I’ve used

Have you ever heard of a company called Triple Your Traffic? this is our company based in the united states specialized in the manufacture of various health products such as weight loss supplements, skin care remedies and herbal cleansers and other several products. We have a philosophy of designing products that support the body, mind and spirit. For example, early this year, we launched one product called Iaso Tea. This is a green tea detox remedy designed to cleanse and detoxify your colon. We believe that health can be found in nature and that is why we purely use herbs in this product.

Our green tea detox is designed to help the body get rid of toxins and wastes. We created this remedy to help your body cleanse itself. This tea works by sweeping the colon and the intestines. In fact this tea help purify the blood.  We are a company with a good reputation and so this remedy. We also produce several other health products that you may check in our website.

Iaso tea ingredients include Marsh Mallow, Malva Leaves, Persimmon Leaves, Holy Thistle, Blessed Thistle, Papaya, Ginger, Chamomile and Myrrh. Studies indicate that these ingredients can cure digestive problems, cleanse the colon and purify the blood. These ingredients therefore make our green tea detox one of the most effective detoxifying and best weight loss product in the market today. We don’t use preservatives, artificial colors or flavors in this tea.

Suggested Use

Use 8 ounces of hot water and mix it with two tea bags of this tea. stir the mixture and take it two times a day. You can serve it when hot or refrigerate it. Note that our green tea cleanse is not intended to diagnose, prevent, control or treat any disease. It is intended to cleanse and detoxify the body.

Reviews and Customer testimonials

According to the customer reviews and testimonials that we collected from online, many people appreciate the benefits of our green tea detox remedy. Almost 90 percent of verified customers rate this product highly. They say that this tea is effective and does not have side effects. However, there are some few customers who were not satisfied with this tea because of the delay to see results. These customers anticipated to see results within a few days but found that the product takes long to bring results.

Next up,

Best Fat Burner For Weight Loss Supplement

I know many ladies are looking for ways to help them get into shape. Many are focusing on shedding extra pounds in order to look healthier and younger. If you are one of these ladies, looking for ways to burn your fats and lose extra weight, look no further. We have Iaso NRG for you. Iaso NRG is one the best fat burners for women in the market today. We cares for women and that’s why we designed Iaso NRG for you. This formula has special ingredients that work to power your energy and to reduce your extra pounds. Iaso NRG not only promotes weight loss, but additionally enhances workout performance. However, always remember that even the best fat burner in the market today will not work unless you incorporate diet and exercise properly.

Iaso NRG is manufactured by people who understand the science behind weight loss and fat burning practices. You don’t need to worry. Iaso NRG is the perfect product for you. We have done our own research and we can guarantee that ingredients that we use in this formula are effective and safe. One of the main ingredients found in our weight loss products is capsaicin from peppers. Scientist says that this substance can trigger weight lose. This formula also contains leucine, an amino acid whose function is to trigger insulin sensitivity for fats metabolism. Our fat burner for women also contains other several ingredients such as green tea extracts, thyroid stimulators and thermogenic ingredients. When searching for the best fat burner for women for your weight loss and energy issues, always look for one with the above ingredients.

Remember, many companies producing fat burners in the market today are a scam. Many of them produce ineffective fat burning products which they claim can do wonders. But the truth is many of these products don’t work. Always look for more information regarding any fat burner before purchasing it. You may be interested to hear what our customers are saying regarding the safety and effectiveness of Iaso NRG. Almost 99% of our customers rate our product highly. Keeping all of this information regarding the best fat burner for women in mind, you should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.  You will be able to find the best fat burner to support your weight loss program.

The Modular Displays I Use From Alusett

Founded on October 3, 1990, we’ve been existing 34 years in this world and yet continue to reign as we are showcasing to the very corners of the globe our competence in Custom Trade Show Exhibit. . This entails us to give a client the best choice he can ever choose with regards to display systems in any tangible aspects. We do beyond what you are expecting us to do!

Building up with partners and snooping on the advanced technologies to foster all the projects, we have been creating nerve-breaking designs that fit your preference. This is not about how you plan, but it’s all about HOW WE PLAN.

PRODUCTS for Mouldar Displays

Entailed with different products to suffice your needs, we have enlisted the top ones. Octagonal Soft Line which covers unlimited design possibilities; Top Deck which is a modular two-story exhibit system available for rent or purchase; Metroline which refracts light tracks and create colorful light rays you haven’t imagined yet; and KUBUS modular diplsay system which exposes fabric graphic cubes with lightweight aluminum framing available for many different kinds of displays.

You will never lose an option because all worthy to be chosen.

Custom Trade Show Exhibits affixes different modes to be dealt with. Alusett has store fixtures. We provide arrangements that would perfectly attract and make such business worth spending funds for. Moreover, this touches the commercial interiors. Though we’ve been clasp with outside appearance; it’s a real importance that we break into what is inside. We will you what and why. We will answer you with when and why. You would decide the things to be made and we will look into how best they are to be made. We can also stretch our arms with Museum Displays. We tag the points and references of the objects and set them to their right position that would surely gain interest from the audience. Furthermore, project accessories are attached not only for add-ons but to ensure how Alusett is very particular with all the other entities we have and that to ensure productivity of our works- little or big they may be.

You can peep at us, glance on us or even browse on us. But later find us  very interesting and useful, we suggest you might and contact us .

This is not all about gaining finances and all the other benefits, but working hand-in-hand to improve thyself and little by little everybody. We enhance ways of living and at the same time direct the thoughts to exist with purpose-for CUSTOM TRADE SHOW EXHIBITS? WORK WITH ALUSETT

We also concentrated in reducing costs during packaging, shipping and drayage. Also during dismantling it is designed to make it cheap. You again need less money during storage. Our trade show exhibits need A few simple tools like ladders, socket and Allen wrenches. The product is also made using aluminum, making it recyclable. We recommend all people to try and use this product and save a lot of money for you and have less strain when using it.

We have a variety of the trade show exhibits that suit different needs of our various customers. When you have various floor spaces and shows, we can re-configure our exhibit with the same components to fit in that situation. Our model systems are very flexible and can work in any environment from small exhibitors to large corporates.

You can contact us and will get back to you as fast as possible.

 Now Let’s Talk About MallForm’s Temporary Wall

Companies today need functional and well designed offices. As a business owner, of course I definitely do not want to be left behind. That is why I considered and installed temporary walls to create office dividers.

Now, I could say that it was all worth it. The truth is, I am still in awe of  how these temporary walls turned out. You may be curious why?

Because I got MallForms construction enclosures wall system. I figured out that the simple installation of their temporary walls can transform my office space and create a light, efficient, and productive workspace which can bring distinctive impact on the image of my company.

You may be asking why temporary walls instead of dry walls. Well for me personally, it is not economical to pay for drywall  walls, only to tear them down and throw them away when another renovation plans come along. For sure it will cost me thousands of dollars plus the hard time and effort to consume for construction.

In addition, the downside of permanent walls is I will be limited by design options in case I want to change the layout of my office. Also, it is necessary for an office environment to have flexible wall system. Like for changing the configurations to have more rooms in a single space or designating a meeting room or conference room.

But with MallForms temporary walls, I can start saving money for the second time of use instead. Good thing with these temporary walls is that the walls are 100% reusable.

Since my company is trying to keep growth high and cost low, reusable walls are perfect for my business needs. Also, I am trying to maximize the efficiency of my office spaces in many ways.

So, using of new or used temporary walls for my office dividers instead of traditional dry walls can be one great way of achieving this goal.

At MallForms, their temporary construction wall systems will help you get the most out of your workspace. You will find a wide range of quality walls and materials so you will be able to find products that perfectly fit your specific need and budget.

Temporary walls are efficient office dividers because it can provide more flexibility. I will be able to divide a large space into many smaller ones and then turn it to a big room again whenever I want to.

New Search Engine Optimization Project I’m Working On

Got envolved with a SEO company called Triple Your Traffic that we are meeting locally here in Maryland (MD) and seeing what we can do.  Here’s a video on the Maryland side of things that I will embed below for you to check out when you can:


text:
Melton HC Seconds in seventh heaven after South Notts win

No Caption ABCDE

No Caption ABCDE

Have your say

East Midlands Premier

A TOP-versus-bottom league clash rarely turns out to be straightforward, and so it proved for leaders Melton.

The hosts started with a changed team and a man short, and for 10 minutes South Notts dominated and went ahead from a right wing shot when keeper Taylor was left exposed by Melton’s absent defence.

Back to full-strength, Melton rallied with their only good five minutes of the game. A fluid passing move and Ross’ slipped pass left Creed with a simple tap-in.

Melton then led through Creed’s deflected shot from captain Garratt’s straight ball into the D. The Notts keeper was in inspired form and made a stunning double save to deny Leighton Davies.

As half-time approached Notts, always dangerous on the counter-attack, had a controversial goal disallowed when a shot from the winger was deflected inside the D and into the goal by Garratt, but the initial cross was deemed to be lifted.

The second half was fairly scrappy with both keepers denying good chances. But Melton’s overwhelming pressure finally told with two quick goals. Creed secured his hat-trick after a one-two from a short corner, and from a deliberate foot in the D, Davies scored from the spot.

Indecision and concentration lapses crept into Melton’s game as midfield and defence were caught upfield.

A smart passing move left Melton keeper Taylor with no chance, and a short corner led to an own goal into the roof of the net by Hacking.

But Melton held on to extend their 100 per cent record to seven matches.

Melton: P. Taylor, G. Hacking, D. Poyzer, S. Moore, L. Cuthbert, D. Garratt, L. Davies, J. Leeman, J. Creed, D. Ross, A. Brown.

Back to the top of the page


text:
Guaranteed Compatible Upgrades for your Compaq HP Pavilion ze2308wm

View System Details
Image Product Name Part No Price Quantity Order
512MB DDR-333 1GB DDR-333 (PC2700) Memory Kit
Recommended Upgrade
There are 2 pieces of 512MB RAM in this kit.
5846433 $32.40
512MB DDR-333 512MB DDR-333 (PC2700) Memory
5846432 $16.20
256MB DDR-333 256MB DDR-333 (PC2700) Memory
5846431 $6.30
128MB DDR-333 128MB DDR-333 (PC2700) Memory
5846430 $16.20

The specifications for standard configuration on your Compaq HP Pavilion ze2308wm system can be found by clicking on the red button above and are also listed in your user manual. This information is for reference so that you know you are purchasing the correct RAM for your Pavilion ze2308wm.

All memory modules found on this page are guaranteed to work in your Compaq HP Pavilion ze2308wm - or your money back.

Memory Giant is here to help if you need it - from ordering to installation, we have a qualified support staff ready to help over the phone or online should you have any questions.


text:
» Subscribe Today!
More of what you want to know.
The Daily News

Forgot your password?
Skip Navigation LinksHome > Name & Property Search
Search results for 'Third Coast Towing' | Search again
DeSoto Public Records:0
Shelby Public Records:0
West Tennessee:0
Middle Tennessee:0
East Tennessee:0

You must be a subscriber to see the full results of your search.

Please log in or subscribe below if you are not already a subscriber.

The Daily News subscribers get full access to more than 13 million names and addresses along with powerful search and download features. Get the business leads you need with powerful searches of public records and notices. Download listings into your spreadsheet or database.

Learn more about our services | Search again

Editorial Results (free)

1. Restricted Vessel Traffic Permitted on Mississippi River -

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) – The Coast Guard is permitting restricted commercial vessel traffic on the Mississippi River near Vicksburg, Miss., as crews work to remove oil from a leaking barge, a Guard spokesman said Thursday.

2. Guard Lets Vessels Pass Leaking Mississippi River Barge -

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) – The Coast Guard is letting southbound vessels pass through a closed section of the Mississippi River at Vicksburg as it evaluates how traffic would affect efforts to remove and clean up oil from a leaking barge, a Guard officer said Wednesday.

3. Ships Idle for Mississippi River Oil Cleanup After Crash -

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) – Freight barges were idled among some 50 vessels stacked up Tuesday along a normally bustling stretch of the Mississippi River that was closed as crews worked to clean up leaking oil spilled in a weekend barge accident.

4. Barge Hits Mississippi River Bridge; Oil Cleanup Ongoing -

VICKSBURG, Miss. (AP) – Cleanup crews with booms skimmed oily water from the Mississippi River a day after a barge with more than 80,000 gallons of oil struck a railroad bridge near Vicksburg, spreading a sheen of light crude that kept part of the waterway shut to ship traffic Monday, authorities said.


text:
Maryland: Sail Like a Lobbyist
Credit: William Wilhelm

Maybe it's the proximity to the Naval Academy, or the strong bay breezes, or the plates of boiled crab at the dock, but Saint Michaels could be the East Coast's top sailing town. From Annapolis, it's a half-day sail across the Chesapeake – passing the wooded shoreline along Wye Island, taking in the herons, osprey, and plantation-era estates like Old Martingham – before tying up at the St. Michaels Marina. On weekends, the town is crawling with K Street players, but the dock crowd has the real fun. Local sailors meet for Saturday log-canoe races. On summer Wednesdays, they get serious and race on the Miles River, a wide, smooth tidal tributary. "We call it Miles Lake," says Mike Kabler, 44, a lifelong sailor in these waters. "It's so nice we never leave it." Summer mornings, St. Michaels Crab and Steak House is jammed for the veggie-infused Bloody Marys, paired with a dozen large steamed crabs. It starts to clear out for the afternoon golfers' tee times at the par-70 Harbourtowne golf course. By nightfall, the sleep-in boats at the docks are lit up, bobbing to music, with wine bottles on deck and people pulling on sweaters. The early rowdy crowd hits Talbot Street. But the sailing set wait for their evening buzz to kick in, then head to the Carpenter Street Saloon, one of the few places to stay open until 2 a.m.

Getting there: St. Michaels Crab and Steak House is just down the street from the Marina. Area hotels range from $65 to $150 per night.


text:
Welcome to MenuPages - Please Select a city:

  • $$
    RatingAvg. Dinner Entrée
    $$$$$Greater than $25
    $$$$$18.01 - $25
    $$$$12.01 - $18
    $$$7.01 - $12
    $Less than $7
  • Thai, Chinese
  • 199 8th Ave, New York NY10011 40.7435889 -73.9997491
  • (Btwn 19th & 20th St)
  • click map to interact
  • (212) 647-9218
  • 0

User Ratings (Based on 119 reviews)

Food 3.9 Value 3.7
Service 3.0 Atmosphere 3.5

Other Restaurant Info

(212) 647-9218
Place Order:
Order From Spice for delivery & takeout
Delivery Take Out Catering
Sun-Thu: 11:30am-11pm Fri-Sat: 11:30am-12am
Lunch, Dinner
Prix Fixe, Pre/Post Theater, Delivery, Online Ordering, Accepts Credit Cards, Lunch Special, Take Out, Catering

User Reviews

  • Spice

    Posted by mrsb553 on 01/31/2007

    Great food, slow delivery service

    The food is great. And the lunch special is good value. But it takes forever to arrive -- always over an hour, sometimes even 90 minutes. Order way, way, way before you are hungry.

  • Spice

    Posted by Chelseaboy on 01/30/2007

    Going down hill

    Over the past few years the service and quality of food for this place has been going down hill! They are rude when they take your order, it takes forever for the delivery and the food is sloppy, thrown into the take out containers and doesn't even taste good anymore. I don't eat in so I cannot compare but the quality has definitely gone down.

  • Spice

    Posted by Anonymous on 01/21/2007

    Any cheaper and it would be free!

    Spice is a fantastic place for a quick lunch, fun dinner and even a date. The prices are fantastic and the food is very tasty. Sometimes the service is a bit slow, but after a few of their sake mojitos you won't really mind. Living in the east village it is a pleasure to know that there is a Spice just a hop skip and a jump away from me!

  • Spice

    Posted by resident1980 on 12/18/2006

    Cheap, yet overpriced

    True, Spice offers competitive prices for NYC dining. However, the best I can say about their food is that it isn't awful. I spent $14 on pad-thai and spring rolls. For $4, you get 3 damn spring rolls, and the pad-thai smelled like dishwater.

  • Spice

    Posted by Anonymous on 11/22/2006

    Great spot for lunch

    Had lunch with my co-workers last week and had a great time. Service was quick, correct, and pretty friendly. The food was very yummy (had soup and sauteed tofu in garlic sauce) for a very reasonable price. Get there early to be seated quickly.

  • Spice

    Posted by Critical Thai eater on 10/21/2006

    Incredible flavor

    BEST Thai in the city, hands down. This puts Lemongrass and all those other little chains to shame. Went there with a big group for a birthday dinner and tried different things. Recommend the grilled salmon with sweet and sour sauce-phenomenal ! I swear they put crack in this food it's so good. Don't just get pad thai- try everything else, it's worth it. The shrimp, dumplings, salads...it's all in the sauces.

  • Spice

    Posted by Anonymous on 10/18/2006

    Delicious tai-fast Addicting!

    My boyfriend and I live around the corner, and we must order from Spice once, if not twice a week. It's seriously addicitng. They're always pretty fast, but I prefer delivery because it's usually cramped and a little loud in the restaurant. The tai ice teas are HUGE, and you will be satisfied with the portions. I really like their RED CURRY and their appetizers are all really good. Try the curry puff or the corn meal dusted shrimp. You won't be disapointed, and just might become addicted.... I will still say, however, that Pad Thai down the street has better pad thai, but can't compete otherwise since they have changed format.

© 2015 GrubHub, Inc. All rights reserved.


text:
Follow Us

Liu's Garden

83% say Yum
477 people voted
View Menu

183 Charles St
Rochester, NH 03867 (Map & Directions)
Phone: (603) 332-6663
83% say Yum
477 people voted
Cuisine: Chinese
Neighborhood: Rochester

People Who Viewed This Also Viewed

China Palace ($$)

Main Moon Chinese Restaurant ($$)

Highland China House ($$)

Charlies-Rochester Pizza ($)
Pizza, Subs, Sandwiches, Pasta

Restaurant Photos

| Add Photo

Restaurant Description

Is this your restaurant? Click to add your description here.

Hours: Add Hours

Credit Cards Accepted

Price Point
$ $ - Cheap Eats (Under $10)
$$ - Moderate ($11-$25)
$$$ - Expensive ($25-$50)
$$$$ - Very Pricey (Over $50)

Good for Kids

Outdoor Seats

Reviews of Liu's Garden

food critic posted on 04/19/2015

They will be moving in to a new building so I don't understand the complaints about cleanliness about the current building. If they are open for business, the place gets dirty during the day. They clean the place at night. The food is excellent and the employees are very polite. The delivery drivers have great communication skills. These people posting negative reviews, they must be the rare customers. The regulars always keep coming back for this great tasting food. Highly recommend!!!!

jw posted on 04/08/2015

Jenn posted on 01/24/2015

Liu's Garden is horrific and extremely dirty. I ordered Mongolian beef and a combination plate when I got it home it was ice cold I called to let them no and was told to bring the food back in which I did. I usually don't like to criticize people but the fat sweaty and smelly employee behind the counter was extremely rude and disgusting he opened the Mongolian beef stuck his finger in it and said ya it's cold I'll microwave it for you. I said I could have done that at home and I want a fresh one made since you stuck your fat sweaty finger in it. I said you know what forget it and walked out. I will NEVER eat there nasty food again. Honestly I don't even know how that place stays open.

Matthew Miller posted on 01/04/2015

Lady on the phone was vary rude almost seemed like she didn't want me to order on the phone ud think being the afternoon an not getting great reviews ud change the way u talk to people over the phone not once would she say thanking for my business this is why I go to the China palace I don't renamed this place the are rude people I ask for a receat to an they wrote the total on the bag do not order food from this place worst place in Rochester they make the dynasty look like goods gift to Chinese take out I highly recommend the China palace I should of stuck to what I'm use to not to mention food was cold they didn't give me the duck sauce for my chicken fingers worse Chinese take out in Rochester don't order from their

joe posted on 07/19/2014

How this place hasn't been condemned by the oard of health is a miracle. I'm shocked that there are not more cvomments about how filthy and disgusting this place is. Used tyo o there a lot 15 to 20 years ago, went in recently and was fraid to eat my order. The food was gross but I was grateful I wasn't poisened. Just saw they are moving across the street maybe that place will be clean or a dasy or two.
 Yuck

Julia posted on 07/10/2014

This is the worst chinese food I've ever had.

TF posted on 06/04/2014

The food is ok, I've had worse. However, the low rating goes to the people who answer the phones and takes orders. Typically, I don't mind if English isn't their first language, but one girl that works there does not have this as an excuse for her piss poor customer service skills. She is one of the most unfriendly people I've ever dealt with. First off she doesn't listen to your order, and repeats it back completely wrong. On my most recent order, she acted completely annoyed with me when I corrected my order with her, and then hung up on me after I asked her how long it would be. Whoever runs this place should be ashamed of how the first person they interact with is rude and has no clue how to treat customers. They had a hard enough time keeping me coming back for the low quality food, but the lack of effort to even be friendly for 2 minutes of time pretty much seals the deal.

gary cormier posted on 05/15/2014

I order delivery at 8 and then get a phone call from the lazy ass driver who says it's to far to deliver. It's only 10 mins away. I didnt find out until 45 mins later that this is now to far to deliver. The lazy ass has delivered twice to my place. Will never order Chinese from this place again.

Julie posted on 02/21/2014

Great food. Great delivery service. Employees are fairly nice too. I second what "Craig" said about respect being given where respect is shown. Keep it up Liu's!

Craig posted on 01/25/2014

The food is great. Best rangoons and house lo main in town. This place is ALWAYS busy and yes, the employees have to deal with people in Rochester, who aren't exactly the nicest, cleanest, most well-mannered or classiest people. We ordered from then on New Year's Eve and despite the fact that those poor employees were busting their asses on the busiest night of the year for them, Rochester's finest residents were bitching, yelling, swearing and complaining. We have NEVER had a problem with rudeness from employees there. NEVER had a mistake made on our orders. The food is great. Prices are reasonable and employees show respect and kindness where respect and kindness are shown to them. Four starts because it's not a very warm, welcoming eat-in atmosphere. Delivery is awesome. Delivery people are super nice. Recommend highly.

nona ya posted on 01/23/2014

I wouldn't even give them a star. They are rude, disrespectful, stuck up assholes who only care about making some money and going home everynight on time. every time I've gone their I've gotten attitude, been interupted ordering and then they get my order messed up. i ordered a delivery and they hung up on me. I called back to ask how much $ it was and how long it would be and they answered abd then hung up again. i got the wrong sides and got called a liar when i called back by not only some smug prick but by some stupid bitch who couldn't even understand what she herself was saying. FUCCKKK THIS PLACE!!

Ivey Rose posted on 10/13/2013

Ordered a combo plate #3 today, with spare ribs and sweet & sour chicken. Let's just say, this meal left everything left to be desired. Firstly, when ordering, I was put on hold for 10:34... this, for a non-busy restaurant on a Sunday afternoon, is unacceptable. In my store, if the phone rings more than 3 times without an answer, the situation is deemed tragic. Cant imagine these bozo's take their job very seriously. When entering the establishment, and after having been rudely alerted to my presence by a fellow employee, I was greeted by a large, smelly, un-kempt man who persisted to greet me with "What do you want?" When I had paid for my... "stuff".. and was hurriedly leaving, one of the three and very unprofessional and rude employees started to say "she'll have fun with that" and continued to speak unkindly to the other two in a lower tone........ Now to the "food". The sweet and sour chicken turned out to be nothing more than chicken fingers, which were more than 65% batter, drizzled in sweet and sour sauce. These and the spare ribs- which were SOOO fatty that even my dog would not eat them- were splayed over a bed of rice... which was inedible, as sweet and sour sauce (more than was actually on the chicken) had been dumped into it. This entire entree was dumped in the trash, as no children or animals would touch it. Heck, I'm sure a raccoon would know better. As far as future visits to this... well, they sure aren't a restaurant... we will NEVER EVER make this MISTAKE twice. The Dynasty might as well be considered gourmet to this little local embarrassment. Service- HORRID Food- Inedible Atmosphere- Tragic Save your money, time, appetite, and health.

Megan posted on 03/18/2013

They do Not Appreciate business!
 Let's all give our money to another restaurant who does, let them all be out of a job, bet they are the same way after two weeks on another job:(

Jody Smith posted on 03/17/2013

I have gone here for 15 years tonight is the last time! The owner is awful! 75.00 for the pure nasty food! Egg foo young burnt tasted like fish. Rice is different and gross! Egg Rolls I used to love them here yuck! And beef lo ,mien which has always been my favorite was so gross tasting! 75 dollars in the trash never again we reordered at hi land garden in east Rochester soooo much better!
 And they are nice there too!

Chancelle posted on 03/16/2013

Every time I order delivery they get something wrong, and whenever anyone has answered they sound like they don't feel happy to have you as a customer.
 Eventually they will go out of business, those workers not happy to be there will be out of a job as well as the owner, that means, no car, no money, no clothes, etc!

elaina posted on 02/09/2013

The food is great, best around in fact. HOWEVER the owner is rude, and should you have an issue with your food (such as they messed up your order) do not expect them to fix it, it all depends on his mood. The delivery guy is his bosses wanker, and will lie flat out on the phone and tell you where to go.. I have been a loyal customer for the better part of twenty years but in recent years have slowly turned my nose to it, because who wants to do any kind of buisness with such a horrible staff..... Wish they would clean the place and get rid of the nasty fish tank.

Lee posted on 12/16/2012

I had been going to Liu's Garden for over 15 years. It was one of my favorite's. The quality has been going downhill the past year, most notably with chunks of pork fat in the pork fried rice and egg foo yung. But two weeks ago, we found two used staples, one in each of our two soups. One staple was within a dumpling and the other staple was loose within the broth. In both cases, we each took the staple out of our mouths, which to me was an extremely dangerous situation and so grateful neither of us were cut or swollowed them. We were refunded and I called the Rochester health inspector the next day, who was to investigate. After so many years of being a patron and a fan, how awful. And no call back from the manager, who wasn't present when I returned the uneaten food, as well as the two soup containers with the staples scotch taped to them. I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND ANY OF THE OTHER CHINESE RESTAURANTS IN ROCHESTER. (I am not affiliated with any restaurant, just a resident and a former lover of Liu's Garden.) Sad and dangerous.

Jamie posted on 10/26/2012

I love the food at Liu's Garden! The customer service could use a little help though. I won't usually order on Friday nights because the girls they have working there are more interested in giggling and looking at the internet then helping customers. BUT.....If you are looking for excellent Chinese food, this is the place.

joe posted on 06/20/2012

the five stars represents a combination of taste and price. Great food. Great price. And the only place in town that delivers which is great. Great place.

Jim L. posted on 12/28/2010

Local chinese at it's best. I have tried all the others and perfer Liu's. The crab ragoons are delicious! If your a rice person like me you won't be disappointed either.

 Combination platters are awesome as well! Whatever you order from those you'll be surprised about how much you get. Portions are huge and the money is right.

Write a Review for Liu's Garden

Recent Reviews

1. Patty B's Italiano (Dover, NH)

We went for an after funeral dinner, was a buffet style . Garden salad and ceaser were very fresh and lightly dressed. Chicken Marcela, panko fish a... read more

2. China Palace (Rochester, NH)

This place is fantastic and fun as far as I am concerned !!! A group of us go there every Monday afternoon for
 what we call "Mai ... read more

3. China Panda (Somersworth, NH)

China Panda has the best orange chicken I have ever had and I have lived in 6 states around the country and in constant search of good Chinese food. T... read more

4. Phil's Restaurant (Barrington, NH)

Tiny, dirty smoke filled ole boy's greasy place. Only local boys eat here who come for a smoke and to gossip, not friendly to anyone. It's up for sa... read more

5. Black Bean Cafe (Rollinsford, NH)

We were on vacation from Florida for a wedding in South Berwick Maine. The owner of the B&B we were staying at told us about the Black Bean Cafe.... read more

United States Restaurant Guide:
AK | AL | AR | AZ | DE | CA | CT | CO | FL | GA | HI | ID | IL | IN | IA | KS | KY | LA | MD | ME | MA | MI | MN | MS | MO | MT | NC | ND | NE | NV | NH | NJ | NM | NY | OH | OK | OR | PA | RI | SC | SD | TN | TX | UT | VT | VA | WA | WV | WI | WY
Canadian Major Cities and Provinces:
Alberta | British Columbia | Manitoba | New Brunswick | Newfoundland | Nova Scotia | Ontario | Prince Edward Island | Quebec | Saskatchewan | Yukon | Calgary | Edmonton | Montreal | Ottawa | Regina | Saskatoon | Toronto | Vancouver | Victoria | Winnipeg |
Most Popular US City Guides:
Albuquerque | Amherst | Atlanta | Austin | Baltimore | Boston | Boulder | Brooklyn | Burlington | Cape Cod | Charlotte | Charleston | Chicago | Cincinnati | Cleveland | Columbus | Dallas / Fort Worth | Denver | Detroit | El Paso | Flagstaff | Fort Lauderdale | Fresno | Gulf Coast | Hartford | Hoboken | Honolulu | Houston | Indianapolis | Jackson | Jersey City | Knoxville | Jacksonville | Kansas City | Las Vegas | Long Island | Los Angeles | Louisville | Lowell | Madison | Memphis | Miami | Milwaukee | Minneapolis | Myrtle Beach | Nashua | Nashville | New Orleans | New York City | Oakland | Oklahoma City | Omaha | Orange County | Orlando | Philadelphia | Phoenix | Pittsburgh | Portland | Providence | Raleigh | Reno | Richmond | Riverside | Sacramento | Saint Louis | Salem | Salt Lake City | San Antonio | San Diego | San Francisco | San Jose | Santa Barbara | Santa Fe | Seattle | St. Paul | Tampa | Tucson | Tulsa | Twin Cities | Virginia Beach | Washington, DC | Wilmington | Winston-Salem

New Hampshire Restaurant Guide: See Menus, Ratings and Reviews for Restaurants in New Hampshire


text:
JRob's blog

JRob's picture

irregular rib raglan with toggle - Teva Durham

Good Evening All, Several years ago I picked up a copy of Loop-d-Loop , more than 40 novel designs by Teva Durham because I was drawn to this particular raglan. It is an interesting design knitted in the round with an irregular rib with asymmetrical arm holes. The right is shaped to accommodate a simple drop shoulder sleeve, while the left side has a raglan placket to match a raglan sleeve.

JRob's picture

Bricker - Designed by Anne Hanson - 2 done

Morning All, I really liked this patten by Anne. Fun and quick. I like my personal twist with the orange toe and chartreuse heel. Hope it shapes up for a fulfilled weekend for everyone. Regards to All, JRob

JRob's picture

Bricker - Designed by Anne Hanson - 1 done

Since I liked Anne's last pattern so much I decided to start a sock pattern by her. I began them last Thursday evening. Here is a current picture of my progress. Thinking about doing a bright orange toe. What do you think? Hope you're all having a great weekend. Weather in STL has been spectacular for the middle of winter. The last two days sunny and over 50 degrees. Keep the needles going, JRob.

JRob's picture

Done - Snow Tire Scarf - designed by Anne Hanson

So you ask what do you love - it is a classic. Anne's pattern is extremely well written, easy to follow and a breeze to knit. Almost any fibre can be used and it would be wonderful. Everything we love in a project. The design is not overly complicated and knits up beautifully. Besides it just looks great. It is one of those patterns and designs that I envision knitting again and again.

JRob's picture

Snow Tire Scarf - designed by Anne Hanson

As soon as my son and his family left to go home to TN I began the scarf. I am making it for myself. The color is pecan from La Jolla "Baah" Original Hand Painted Yarn 100% Super wash Merino - Fingerling Weight 30 sts +4 inches. I am using Lantern Moon 3.5 mm/US4 sized needles. Jeffrey

JRob's picture

Merry Christmas to All

Good Morning Guys,

I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a fantastic New Year. Here's to completing projects, adding to the stash and having a great time with a craft that we all share. Glad for this community of knitting brothers.

Merry Christmas to all,

JRob's picture

Socks Appeal Boxers - On the Needles

Evening Guys,

My next project will be the Socks Appeal Boxers by the Skacel Collection. I just cast on the 56 stitches required for the center back panel. I am using leftover yarn in my stash. Should be fun and easy. Mindless TV knitting while sitting with my wife while she is watching her shows. Hope you've all got your shopping done. JRob

JRob's picture

Barndom by Stephen West - Updated 12/21 off the needles

Evening All,

Just finished binding off Barndom a Stephen West design (see my previous post). Need to weave in the loose ends and block. Hope to complete tomorrow night so that I can wear it Christmas Eve. Loved the pattern and design. JRob

JRob's picture

New Bind-off

Happy Holidays All,

Well Barndom is coming off the needles just in time for Christmas. I love the bind-off technique. I have never used this method before. BO all stitches loosely on RS row as follows, (k2tog tbl, slip st back to left needle) to end of row. It creates a beautiful edge.

Hope your New Year is filled with fantastic yarn, great patterns and wonderful garments,

Syndicate content


text: In the 1970s, Donnie and Marie Osmond sang "I'm A Little Bit Country, I'm a Little Bit Rock and Roll." I can't remember who was which, but it was their big song. (Youngsters: Marie is the lady now famous for her Slimfast endorsements). If you are a little bit rock and roll and searching for a bit of "country" to complement you, Alabama, our featured pet of the week, is the kitty for you. She's a 3-year-old Calico/Tortie/Tabby with white highlights who can be a bit shy. Are you a bit outgoing? Come meet Alabama. And, remember, we've waived adoption fees for all cats and kittens.


text:
So many shows, so little time.

Yes, the annual fall deluge is upon us. In the next few weeks, more than 30 new programs will invade your TV sets and stress out your DVRs.

It's overwhelming, to be sure. (You've only two eyeballs, after all.) And it can be discouraging as well, especially when you recall the high-megaton stink bomb that programmers collectively dropped on us last season.

This fall, more bad TV will come your way. Some things never change. But there are also some positive signs. We've sifted through a massive fall crop, and we're pleased to report that we've discovered several distinctive offerings that entertain and engage us.

More than most seasons, it was difficult to home in on our favorites. Ultimately, these five shows rose to the top:

1 "New Girl" (Fox)

Quick, we need a different adjective to describe Zooey Deschanel and the character she plays in this delightfully refreshing sitcom. "Adorable" is being used to death. "Adorkable"? Ugh.

Deschanel (pictured) is Jess, a funny, sweet, awkward, naive -- and yes, very adorable -- young woman who, after a brutal breakup, moves into a loft with three random guys (Jake Johnson, Max Greenfield and Lamorne Morris). There, she tries to console herself the only way she knows how: with endless viewings of "Dirty Dancing."

At first, the guys don't know what to make of this alien being who sings theme songs to herself and is totally clueless when it comes to dating. But slowly, they learn to live together, learn things from each other and become an offbeat sort of family.

Blessed with sharp writing and amusing insights into male-female relationships, the pilot had us doubled over in mirth. Look for this new girl to be fall TV's "it" girl.

2 "Pan Am" (ABC)

Imagine, if you can, a time when commercial air travel wasn't such a hassle. A time when there were no metal detectors, security pat-downs and annoying luggage fees. A time when flying was actually glamorous.

Therein lies the escapist allure of "Pan Am," a fun and sexy drama that delves into the lives of beautiful stewardesses (including Christina Ricci, pictured) and hunky pilots during the jet age of the 1960s.

Based on first impressions, "Pan Am" is the vastly superior entry among this season's two "Mad Men"-like retro dramas (the other being NBC's "The Playboy Club"). Under the deft direction of Thomas Schlamme ("The West Wing"), it boasts an epic sweep, an adventurous spirit and plenty of romantic wish-fulfillment.

And if that's not enough, there's even an element of Cold War espionage to give it some edge. (Who knew some flight attendants were spies?) It all sounds like the makings of a truly enjoyable flight of fancy. We're buckled in and ready for takeoff.

3. "Ringer" (The CW)

As "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," Sarah Michelle Gellar usually confronted danger head on. In this suspenseful thriller, she's running from it. At least early on.

Gellar plays a recovering addict who, after witnessing a murder, bolts town. Eventually, she takes on the identity of her wealthy -- and presumed dead -- identical sister. Just one big problem: Her sister's seemingly fairy-tale world is actually fraught with peril, too.

Yes, the premise is preposterous (How can she fool her sister's husband and friends?), but Gellar, along with a solid cast that includes Ioan Gruffudd, Kristoffer Polaha and Nestor Carbonell, reel you in. The pilot episode keeps the tension simmering from start to finish and puts several tantalizing possibilities into play.

Can "Ringer" maintain the serial thrills over the course of a long TV season? We have some doubts. For now, though, we're totally hooked.

4. "Terra Nova" (Fox)

Behold the kind of big, budget-busting epic that networks tend to avoid. Yes, this sci-fi saga from Steven Spielberg is a huge gamble, but after suffering through so many cheap reality knockoffs, we'd love to see the risk pay off.

"Terra Nova" is set in 2149, when overpopulation and pollution have pushed mankind to the brink of extinction. Fortunately, scientists have discovered a fracture in time that allows some lucky earthlings access to a lush, unspoiled primeval realm where they can start anew.

Among those making the pilgrimage is an ex-cop (Jason O'Mara), his wife (Shelley Conn) and their three kids. Upon arriving in Terra Nova, they meet a stern colony commander (magnetic Stephen Lang), who warns them that their new home isn't as idyllic as it seems. Oh, and watch out for those dinosaurs.

The two-hour, $16 million pilot is brimming with incredible Australian scenery and snazzy CGI magic. As eye-boggling as that stuff is, the show's staying power will depend on strong stories and compelling characters. So far, so good.

5. "American Horror Story" (FX)

Many TV series have been described as freak shows ("Jersey Shore," anyone?), but this over-the-top, disturbingly bizarre gorefest might be the freakiest of 'em all.

From the twisted minds of Ryan Murphy and Brad Falchuk ("Nip/Tuck"/"Glee"), comes a "psychosexual thriller" about the Harmon family -- Vivien (Connie Britton), Ben (Dylan McDermott) and teen daughter Violet (Taissa Farmiga) -- who move into a new home as a means to reconcile past anguish. Big mistake.

People have died in this house. They've also had lots of kinky bondage sex and collected weird things in jars. Soon, the Harmons are plagued by creepy visions, as well as a creepy neighbor (Jessica Lange) and a very creepy maid (Frances Conroy).

The overstuffed pilot is so shamelessly insane that it will have some fainthearted viewers fleeing in disgust. But it's also the kind of crazed and provocative work that will get people talking -- just as soon as they pick their jaws up off the floor.

Read Chuck Barney's TV blog at and follow him at

more inside

Page X: Premiere dates of all your favorite shows.
Page X: Bite-sized capsule reviews of the new TV shows.
Page X: Fall TV grid
Online: See a slideshow of Chuck Barney's picks for the best and worst of the new fall season at


text:
Trend Watch

Lookups spiked on March 21, 2012.

According to a new study, people with many Facebook friends – those who seek a large audience for their personal news and photos – are more likely to show traits of "narcissism."

Narcissism means "excessive admiration for yourself or your appearance."

It comes from Narcissus, the mythological character who fell in love with his reflection in a pool of water, and – unable to stop gazing at his own beauty – starved to death.

(We're reporting on the word use here, not endorsing the study.)

Take a 3-minute break and test your skills!
May 27, 2015
riot act Hear it
a vigorous reprimand or warning
How to use a word that (literally) drives some people nuts.
Test your vocab with our fun, fast game
Ailurophobia, and 9 other unusual fears


text:
The MVP Story

In the 19th century, the Merrimack Valley, with its miles of red brick mills, was the birthing ground of America’s industrial revolution.  Mill and factory jobs sustained the Valley’s economy for over 100 years. Beginning in the 1950s, the region began losing thousands of quality manufacturing jobs to cheaper labor markets in southern U.S. states, and later overseas. By the 1980s, the majority of the old mill jobs were gone. Meanwhile, an influx of Latino, Southeast Asian, and later, African immigrant groups transformed the face of the Valley’s cities. The combination of job losses and new immigration spurred   an exodus of white,   middle-class residents to the suburbs, creating dramatic economic and racial segregation.
In 1989, a group of faith, labor, and community leaders created   the Merrimack Valley Project to unite people across the region’s widening racial, ethnic, and economic rifts in common action to  strengthen our communities. Since 1989, people like the Rev. Victor Jarvis, an evangelical pastor from Lawrence, Annia Lembert, a Dominican immigrant and Malden Mills inspector and union member in Lawrence, Father Jim Dukowski, a Catholic priest from Lowell, and Eric Kintner, a physicist from an Episcopal church in Westford have worked together to save over 1,600 manufacturing jobs in the Valley, protect over 600 units of affordable housing, improve the job prospects  of the region’s growing temporary worker population, and bring over $10 million to the Valley for housing, job training, and community development.
MVP’s innovative campaigns to fight plant closings, create democratic economic institutions such as the tenant-owned Amesbury Gardens in Lawrence, and to address the explosive growth of the temporary labor industry, which employs over 15,000 Valley residents    and 70,000 people in Massachusetts, have offered state-wide and national organizing models and have had an impact far beyond our region.
Today, MVP is made up of 22 member groups, including congregations,        local labor unions, and community-based organizations from Amesbury, Andover, Chelmsford, Haverhill, Lawrence, Lowell, North Andover, and Westford.
We are now part of a growing faith-and-values-based organizing  movement in America. In 1998, MVP helped found the InterValley Project, a regional organizing network that unites the power of 6 community organizations to advance faith-and-values-based organizing throughout New England.

powered by Doodlekit™ Free Website Builder


text:
Time Limits for Lawsuits

Every type of lawsuit has a Statute of Limitation, or the time available to file the lawsuit before it expires.  These vary by the type of lawsuit you are filing and what state or district you are filing it in.

Mesothelioma lawsuits are no different. The time you have to file a lawsuit for Mesothelioma from exposure to asbestos will depend on what state or Federal district you are in and when you first had reason to believe that your Mesothelioma may be caused by asbestos.

It is very important to speak with a qualified Mesothelioma Attorney as soon as you have been diagnosed with Mesothelioma so that you don’t miss any deadlines for filing a case.  Making a mistake on the date of filing your lawsuit could cost you and your family millions of dollars in lost benefits for medical treatment, lost wages and pain and suffering.

If you or someone you know has been affected by Mesothelioma, it is important to speak with a professional about your legal rights as soon as possible.  Our lawyers have handled thousands of asbestos, defective product and mass injury lawsuits and are ready to fight for your family.  Time to file a lawsuit may be limited so call today.


text:
Most Recent

Latest Movie

I am in another Skype call with a different 'boss'. This guy is very insistant and demanding. I am not used to being bossed around so much and on...

Shopping cart

View your shopping cart.

ccbill sign up

Now Accepting CCBILL for full member access.Click HERE to sign up. Click HERE to see how it works

Kay's Interview

Kay wants a job in my office, so I have to give her a special interview! As with all punishments in my office, they end up in a mess. So I have to give Kay a demonstration on what would happen if she was to do something wrong.

I cover Kay with slime, lumpy green goo, beans, custard, salad cream and pies! Kay took it all very well. Good job as she has to give me the same treatment to see if she has learnt properly! I wonder how well she will do?!

Movie file size:


text:
We no longer know what it means to be human,
July 25, 2005 10:42 AM   Subscribe

EMBO's report on Time and Aging (free access) contains an essay wherein the author, Karin Knorr Cetina, from the University of Konstanz, Germany, argues that death and aging used to be major issues that defined what it means to be human and helped us find our place in society by showing us the limits of what is possible to achieve as a human. With the advances in science, particularly biological advances in slowing aging and technological advances in extending human function, we no longer accept our fate. Instead of accepting that we all grow old and die so we should take our place in society, with the expectation that if we contribute, society will take care of us, too, we now have promises being made by science that death and aging are no longer inevitable. Where are we headed, then? If we can no longer find our place by finding the limits of achievement and accepting our place within them, how do we work as a collective?
posted by Mr. Gunn (15 comments total)

Thanks for the link--looks interesting. I'll read the article when I have time, later today or tomorrow.
posted by Prospero at 11:13 AM on July 25, 2005

Thanks for this post. Cetina's thesis deserves consideration. It's a pity that she's such a horrible writer. Perhaps there were translation troubles?

Much of what she has to say seems to come out of a reading of Giorgio Agamben's latest work on biopolitics and the rise of the purely biological as an organizing principle of political thought and law. His readings of Foucault and Heidegger seem to accord with what Cetina has to say, or rather, the other way around. Agamben's concept of homo sacer, the strictly biological man banished from society and its privleges and responsibilities is, I think, at the outer limit of what Cetina is talking about.

Cetina does a great job of quickly pulling together a wide set of cultural changes and linking them with her central thesis. I would like to see her reading of 'welfare reform' [sic] expanded. The section in which she talks about the loss of social imagination is smart, and I was struck by two things. One, she traces the social imagination back to the Enlightenment, and that seems appropriate but perhaps limited, since I immediately began to think of tikkun olam, the Jewish belief in the need to repair the world in order to make it a fit place for the messiah to visit. Two, I was struck by the failure of politics to contain the ideals of the Enlightenment, and I wonder if that has contributed to a move away from the social imagination. For example, I see a lot more comparisons between Marxism and Nazism than I used to, based on the equation of Stalinism and Marxism. The problem with the comparison, of course, is that the Third Reich was the fulfillment of Nazi ideals, while Stalinism was the failure of Marxist ones. In other words, in the first case the premise was evil, in the second case, the result was. It's hard not to feel betrayed by Stalinism and to question the role of politics in fulfilling the ideals of the Enlightenment.

I agree with Cetina that there was a move in counseling psychology toward people concentrating on their own lives, but I actually think that that has changed substantially in the past decade or so, and that more and more counseling is focussed on helping people be responsible to the people that they love and want to love. It may be too little too late as a move, but it is certainly tied to a kind of social imagination. And I do think that death is always a sub-text in counseling, death as the very notion of finitude and an end to endless choices. I've wondered for quite a while about (some of) my generation's (born 1970) relative lateness in moving toward some of the life goals that have been prevalent concerns for much younger people in the past: coupling, kids, careers, etc. I've been fascinated with the idea lately that a show like Thirty Something...would not really work for my generation because well over half the characters would be like the irresponsible bachelor character on that show.

Finally (sorry this is so long, but the post really does raise some good issues), I've been reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars which seems to be a kind of primer on just these issues, from life extension to individuality and the role of the social imagination. It's really quite a good book, and I'm hoping that the others in the trilogy are as good.
posted by OmieWise at 11:30 AM on July 25, 2005

"It's a pity that she's such a horrible writer."

Haven't read the article yet, but I am surprised to hear you say that. I've read some of Cetina's earlier work in Science Studies, and always found her to write quite well. She's no Latour, but she never stood out as being particularly bad either.

That said, thanks much for the link, Mr. Gunn. Curious as to what Cetina's been up to these past few years.
posted by voltairemodern at 11:38 AM on July 25, 2005

how do we work as a collective?

By becoming ants, perhaps?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 12:20 PM on July 25, 2005

how do we work as a collective?

We don't, there is no collective.
posted by Mick at 12:32 PM on July 25, 2005

We have no lord; we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune...
posted by ZenMasterThis at 1:13 PM on July 25, 2005

how do we work as a collective?

We don't, there is no collective.

So cell phones, text messaging, email, internet fora - these are not slowly turning us into borg?
posted by PurplePorpoise at 1:52 PM on July 25, 2005

Free yo' ass, and yo' mind will follow!
posted by ZenMasterThis at 2:09 PM on July 25, 2005

OmieWise - I get the relation to Agamben. Thanks for the link. It does sound like they both come from the same place, particularly in her distinction between life and humanity.

Additionally, I think you're right on with the relative lateness of the "generation-that-is-currently-thirtysomething". Becoming an adult used to be practically synonymous with settling down to a steady job, supporting a family, and so on, in other words, accepting your place. What are today's coming-of-age milestones if we're not ever settling down to our place in life? Are we eternally children unless and until we determine and accept our limitations?

I don't usually go in for this soft sort of social science stuff, and I wouldn't have read the essay at all had it not been mixed in with the harder science articles in the Time and Aging special report from EMBO. However, her viewpoint on how and why people are becoming more individualist helped a lot of things click into place for me.

All sorts of things make sense when you consider the world in this way, and it's too late for scientists to start poo-pooing the idea of life-extension. The secret's out and has captured popular imagination, even if everyone really knows that everyone reading this discussion will inevitably grow old and die. Where is the value proposition for today that will get people to come together for the good of their group, and just what are those groups? America is clearly no longer a self-cohesive group. Are we going to have people, as hinted in the article, coming together on the basis of genetic similarity instead of geographics? Why not? The economic principle is well-established: the wealthy take care of each other, when their group identity is threatened, and, to an extent, the very poor look after each other when threatened by an outsider, but then go back to killing each other. I think the smart people need to get on the bandwagon and look after their own as well as the wealthy do. The implication of Cetina's line of thought is that the time for acting like equality is the highest good is over with, isn't it? In today's "society" where everyone is an individual, the laws form as an emergent property of the system. There are no social structures in place teaching people their place anymore. The idea that there are no limits has replaced the idea of knowing your place, and we have no coming-of-age.

The lack of a overseer of social structure has profound implications. I've been trying to understand the rise of anti-intellectual sentiment lately (on the face of it, it doesn't make sense - you'd think you'd want the smartest people running things, right?). It seems to me to follow directly from the popularization of individualism. We're all taught that there are no limits(as opposed to everyone is equal), but people know, instinctively, when someone is more capable than they are, and that breeds resentment. The self-effacing old-school modesty of the classically trained intellectual is doing them no favors. What to do about this, because obviously, people who understand the past are the only ones who can keep us from repeating it in new and terrible ways?

I suggest that in the new emergent society, intelligent, cultured people have to start looking out for their own, get rid of the old thinking that "I'm no better than anyone else", accept the fact that social strata are self-organizing in any sufficiently large population, and lacking a overseer, the optimal solution won't be found; the most expedient solution will. The emergent society created by a chaotic mass of individuals with no guiding social structure means that there is no entitlement for anyone. The group of people who don't drive gigantic SUVs, read books, watch public broadcasting, and appreciate other forms of culture besides reality TV have to stop being ashamed and self-effacing, create and define their own group-of-individuals, and look after themselves. I'm not saying intellectuals need to prove their worth - you can't prove your worth to a group of people who harbor a latent resentment of you, and you shouldn't try - but it explains recent events to consider that that lacking the old social systems that taught people their limitations and their place, there is no way to keep the most qualified people making the decisions. It helps me understand why half the states in the US make laws outlawing gay marriage, for example. Cetina's essay helped me find the underlying principle that connects the big ass SUV driving people with the reality TV watching people with the "gay marriage should be illegal" people with the "in charge of our country" people. They're the unbeholden ones, no longer burdened with the idea of taking care of everyone, but rather just of themselves. The group associations are simply for transient, mutual benefit.
posted by Mr. Gunn at 3:19 PM on July 25, 2005

It's just too frigging random.

My concerns as a soon to be cut-down-in-my-prime adult are very different if I'm going to make it into my 60's, which is wildly different if I make it to 99.

Medical science has no certainty and I make no assumptions about avoiding random violence/accidents, so this doesn't change my attitude about life and death one bit.

But then, I think about life and death on almost a daily basis, so maybe I'm not usual in that regard.
posted by dreamsign at 4:06 PM on July 25, 2005

Really good post.
posted by Catfry at 5:36 PM on July 25, 2005

Death is inevitable. Second law of thermodynamics. Sorry.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 6:07 PM on July 25, 2005

P_G: This thread is about the delayed death of humans, not the inevitable death of the universe. Sorry.
posted by gorgor_balabala at 7:29 PM on July 25, 2005

Interesting article, though it's all over the place--that's not a knock against it, as it brings up a number of interesting points.

I'm not willing to go quite as far as Mr. Gunn's reading that the culture of life described in Cetina's article is a prime cause of the decline of intellectualism in American society (though I do agree with Mr. Gunn that the tendency of many members of the intellectual community to behave in a self-effacing manner can often act against them). But what Cetina does seem to bring up in an oblique way is the idea that an indirect casualty of the "culture of life" might be the concept of empathy as we currently understand it:

Social structures also seem to be losing some of their hold. [...] When personal service is replaced by automated electronic service, no social structures at all are required--only electronic information structures.

To say that a given society is primarily individualistic and concerned with self-improvement and life extension does not necessarily imply an absence of empathy from that same society--it is often the case that the expression of empathy is in one's best interest (as expressed by the Golden Rule--do unto others as you'd have them do unto you). But one might argue that in such a society that is both individualistic and primarily electronically mediated, empathy (which I'm thinking of as the vicarious experience of or sensitivity toward the emotions or mental states of others, without those emotions or mental states being explicitly communicated to you) could become rare, altruistic, or perhaps even unnecessary. If electronic information structures come to replace or supersede social structures, then empathy might even conceivably become a liability in an electronically-mediated society, instead of an asset--at the least, the advantage of empathy in such a society is unclear.

(On preview: I'm not yet sure I'm willing to go that far, but that seems to be one of the consequences if the scenario I've quoted above is taken to its logical extreme. I'm actively trying to resist some lovely gloom-and-doom scenarios, though, since what I liked about Cetina's writing is its objectivity.)
posted by Prospero at 8:11 AM on July 26, 2005

The previous post was a struggle for me, because on one hand, I wanted to refrain from taking things too far, but on the other hand, I didn't want to be guilty of the exact same self-effacing modesty I was advocating against.

And what the heck, this is metafilter, right?

I think the point about the increasing irrelevance of empathy is a large part of what spoke to me in the essay. Perhaps empathy only works within certain bounds? When we were a smaller country, with a larger middle class and a shared group identity, empathy was easier. It's harder today for a person who grows up wealthy in a large metropolitan area to have any conception of what it is like to be poor or rural, and vice versa. Do you live in a blue state? Do you have any idea what makes a red-stater tick? In order for empathy to work, there has to be a little toehold of understanding, doesn't there? As we're growing as a nation, and spending more time interfacing with society through electronics, it may be that empathy only extends as far as your understanding, and it's just not far enough to encompass a nation as big as ours. Perhaps this is the insight that future non-Republican politicians need to understand in order to reach voters. Find the empathic groups.

I do apologize for making everything political; it's hard not to these days.
posted by Mr. Gunn at 7:23 PM on July 27, 2005

« Older I hope the Chinese don't learn what widgets I use   |   Tubby tabby taste trouble... Newer »

This thread has been archived and is closed to new comments