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Vegetarian Lasagna

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bestvegetarianlasagna3A few nights ago we had some friends over for dinner. One of the guests was a vegetarian and the other ones loves meat.  It was a pretty cold and chilly night, so I thought lasagna would be lovely. To please everyone around the table I decided to split things up. Instead of your traditional meat lasagna, I made this vegetarian version filled with mushrooms, spinach, ginger and nutmeg. For the meat lovers I slow cooked a beautiful prime rib in red wine, beef stock, a couple of chopped onions and carrots along with a few bay leaves. The lasagna itself however, is filling enough and is perfect as a meal on its own.

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1 tbsp butter

2 tbsp truffle oil

One medium size fennel

Fresh ginger, about a 2″ piece

4 cloves of garlic

15 sage leaves

200g shiitake mushrooms

200g crimini mushrooms

4 baby bok choy

350g fresh spinach

1/2 cup vegetable broth

1-2 tsp sambal oelek (hot chili paste)

pinch of tarragon

1/2 tsp nutmeg

Salt & Pepper

Béchamel Sauce:

3 tbsp butter

3 tbsp flour

3 cups milk

White pepper

3 tomatoes, thinly sliced

1 1/2 cups grated gruyère cheese

Preheat the oven to 400F.

Thinly slice the fennel and finely chop the ginger, garlic, sage leaves and mushrooms. Roughly chop the book choy. In a large cast iron pot, heat up the truffle oil until hot but not burning. Turn the heat down slightly and add the fennel and ginger. Sauté for a couple of minutes before adding the garlic sage and mushrooms. Sauté for another couple of minutes, stirring occasionally. Add bok choy to the pot along with the spinach and the rest of the ingredients. Make sure everything is well combined, and let it simmer until the liquid is almost gone. Turn the heat off and let cool.

Melt the butter over medium heat in a medium sized sauce pan. When melted, lower the temperature and start adding the flour. Whisk constantly to prevent lumps from forming. Cook the butter/flour for a couple of minutes, whisking non stop. Add the milk, a little bit at a time. Keep stirring! Raise the temperature back to medium. As the sauce thickens add more milk. The sauce is ready when coating the back of a spoon. Season with salt & pepper.

In a large oven proof dish, start putting the lasagna together. Coat the bottom of the dish with the béchamel, cover with sheets of pasta and sprinkle some of the vegetable filling on top. Drizzle béchamel over filling. Repeat layers twice. Place the sliced tomatoes on top of the third vegetable layer before putting down one last layer of pasta. Sprinkle the cheese. Cover with the rest of the béchamel sauce.

Bake in the middle of the oven for 45-60 min, or until golden brown and pasta is soft.

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Orecchiette with Pork and Fresh Vegetables

p4I adore pasta. Perhaps I was Italian in a previous life? Who knows. Something I would bring to a deserted island? Definitely. It’s convenient. Something to fall back on when peeling a pot of potatoes seem like an enormous task. It comes in a large varietal of shapes and forms. I have my favourites of course. Orecchiette is being one of them. Bruno gets his fair share of pasta when I’m cooking although he is not as fond of it as I am. Don’t take me wrong, he likes it. I love it. In this recipe I use ground pork rather than ground beef. The more subtle flavours of the pork allows the other ingredients to pop. A great dish whether it’s snowing or sweltering outside. It  goes amazingly well with our Golden Russet Apple Cider!

2 stalks celery

3 shallots

3 green onions

2 radishes

1 tbsp butter

1 tbsp olive oil

1000g ground pork

4 tbsp soya sauce

2 tbsp Worcestershire sauce

1 1/2 tbsp white wine vinegar

1/2 cup creme fraiche

2 tsp sambal oelek (chili paste)

Ground pepper

500g pasta of your choice

Finely chop the vegetables and put aside.

In a large pot, bring water to a boil for the pasta.

In a frying pan, heat up the butter and olive oil. Fry the ground pork on medium heat until cooked. Add the soya and Worcestershire sauce along with the vinegar. Let simmer until liquid is reduced by half.

In the meantime cook the pasta until Al Dente. Drain.

Add the creme fraiche and sambal oelek along with some ground pepper to the pork and stir well. Toss with pasta, or serve separate. Sprinkle celery, radishes and green onions on top. Serves 4.p1p3p5


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Stardom had a value for Garland even so as she started to get suffering from a excess fat issue and emotional stress. These led to drug and ultimately to alchohol challenges at the same time because of the capsules the medical professionals had been giving her to suppress her appetite and to aid her sleep when the strain of deliver the results became far too much.
Throughout the 1940s she graced a lot of exceptional musicals as well as Meet Me in St. Louis 1944 wherein she launched Have Oneself a Merry Small Xmas The Harvey Ladies 1946 and Easter Parade 1948. She was very good inside a non-singing position in the Clock a sentimental drama about a younger lady in addition to a serviceman on leave. Although the film was critically praised and did earn a revenue most film supporters predicted her to sing. Hence it could be quite a few years in advance of she acted once again inside a non-singing remarkable purpose.
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Of Garlands 5 marriages the very first 4 ended in divorce. Her kids are Liza Minnelli singer and actress born March 1946 Lorna Luft also an acclaimed singer born November 21 1952 and Joey Luft a scenic photographer born March 29 1955 in La California.
David Rose married 1941-1945
Vincente Minnelli married 1945-1952 a single daughter Liza Minnelli
Sidney Luft married 1952-1965 one particular daughter Lorna Luft and one particular son Joey Luft
Mark Herron married 1965-1967
Mickey Deans married March 1969-June 1969
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The Judy Garland Demonstrate premiered on US Television on Sunday September 29 1963 programmed specifically opposite NBCs Western drama Bonanza the second-highest rated indicate on television. As such it under no circumstances had an opportunity to become successful however it ran for 26 weeks by way of March thirty 1964 and attained an Emmy nomination for Outstanding Performance within a Vast array or Musical System or Sequence. Capitol released Only for Openers an album of performances drawn from your collection on the day from the ultimate broadcast.
By 1965 she had divorced Luft. Later in 1969 she married all over again this time to London nightclub operator Mickey Deans. For the duration of a 3 week dwell engagement for the Chat On the Town club in London her erratic performances obtained catcalls through the audiences that expected considerably better. On June 22 1969 she was discovered dead in her London apartment apparently of an accidental overdose of barbiturates and alcohol. The roller coaster everyday living of a legend had prematurely ended at age 47.
Judy At a Glance
Birth name Frances Ethel Gumm Born June ten 1922
Grand Rapids Minnesota U.S.A. Died June 22 1969 aged 47 Overdose
Chelsea London England Uk
Decades active 1929 – 1969
David Rose 1941 – 1945 divorced
Vincente Minnelli 1945 – 1952 divorced 1 daughter
Sidney Luft 1952 – 1965 divorced one daughter 1 son
Mark Herron 1965 – 1967 divorced
Mickey Deans 1969 her dying
Academy Awards Nominated- Finest Supporting Actress
1961 Judgment at Nuremberg
Nominated- Most beneficial Actress
1954 A Star Is Born
Academy Juvenile Award 1939Tony Awards Extraordinary Tony Award 1952Golden Globe Awards Finest Actress – Motion Image Musical or Comedy
1955 A Star Is Born
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Newfoundland Tea Buns

soft, flaky, tender newfoundland tea buns

I love peaceful, scenic St. John’s, Newfoundland, with its friendly, laid-back folks. I also love Newfoundland Tea buns.

This bun is a staple in practically every home in Newfoundland with the recipe handed down generations. Every family has a family recipe for their tea buns just like we do in Nigeria with some of our dishes like Jollof rice, Ogbono soup etc.

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Eventually, it boils down to taking different routes to arrive at the same beautiful and delicious place.

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They are light, flaky and tender. Not too rich or too buttery, just the right blend of ingredients.

I never say no to plain tea buns or any of its variations, cheese tea biscuits, ham and cheese, raisin, coconut etc.

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St. John’s regatta

These buns are not buns as most people know them, but the Newfoundlanders (Newfies) of Canada call them buns. Although in their coffee shops, they are called by their American name, tea biscuits. Tea buns are different from the Nigerian buns but are more like the English scones.

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Sunshine park, St. john’s NL

These buns can be made either sweet or savoury (cheese or ham and cheese), and each type is totally yummy. It can be eaten with butter or jam and a cup of tea.

To make the basic Newfoundland tea buns

1/4 cup raisins
4 cups flour
1/2 cup sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
5 teaspoons baking powder
3/4 cup margarine
1 cup evaporated milk
2 tablespoons lemon juice
1 egg

Preheat your oven to 190°C, grease a baking sheet with butter or oil or line with parchment paper or lightly oiled aluminium foil.

In a small bowl, soak raisins in hot water for 5 minutes, drain and set aside.

raisins soaking for newfoundland tea buns

Mix flour, sugar, salt, and baking powder together in a bowl until they are well combined.

Rub in margarine until the mixture resembles breadcrumbs.

Add milk and mix until just combined, do not overmix or the tea buns will be tough.

newfoundland tea buns dough mix

Add the raisins, stir till evenly distributed.

Roll the dough out to 1-inch in thickness on a lightly floured surface.

newfoundland tea buns rolled dough

Cut with a 3-inch cookie cutter or the rim of a glass cup, dipping the cutting edge in flour from time to time, to stop the dough from sticking to the cutter.

Place each bun on the baking sheet with little or no space between them.

egg wash on newfoundland tea buns

Mix the egg and milk for the glaze and brush the top of the buns with it.

Bake for 15 to 20 minutes, until lightly golden.

soft, flaky, tender newfoundland tea buns

  • The dough can also be cut and rolled into about 16 balls then place on baking sheet and flattened slightly. Better still, cut into squares.

  • Newfoundland tea buns can be stored at room temperature covered in foil, plastic bag or wrap for 1 to 2 days, in the refrigerator, for 1 week and 2 to 3 weeks in the freezer tightly wrapped.
  • The raw cut dough can be frozen. Lay the buns out on a tray, cover and put in the freezer for a few hours till frozen solid. Throw frozen buns dough into a plastic or freezer bag and store in the freezer. Bake when needed without defrosting.

Serve Tea buns with Tea, Coffee or any drink of your choice.

You will also enjoy my Easy Hot cross buns, Nigerian puff puff, Ojojo (water yam fritters) and Funnel cake.

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Guest Strip: Colleen AF Venable

I met Colleen at TCAF a few years ago and she is super fun and funny. She invented a holiday called Lumberjack Day. She has a connect-the-dots tattoo of a giraffe on her leg. And she’s the author of a great series of books full of puns that Princess Planet readers should enjoy. They’re called the Guinea PI series, about a guinea pig private investigator. I’ve been enjoying the whole series. While Colleen can draw some, and is a very talented book designer at First Second, she feels more comfortable writing. So I asked her for a script for me to draw. I knew she’d be able to channel King Carnelian’s flag conundrums into something hilarious. She said to me “Have you tried saying musk ox mascot ascot outloud? It’s basically impossible for three times fast!” Colleen is also funny to be friends with on the internet because she says funny things like “Every time I step onto a crowded elevator I say ‘I guess you’re wondering why I called you here today’”.

Also, sorry about missing my first update ever last week, but I’m still waiting on a few last guest strips trickling in. I hope you’re enjoying them so far.

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  1. RavenBlack

    My wife can’t say “musk ox musk ox”, as required for the song in the Blode animation about cleaning musk oxes.

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    Hm, looks like Rectangle Person is the kingdom’s new mascot.

  3. Steve

    The thing about Colleen and elevators made me laugh even more than the punchline.


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#48 Jungle Tanking: The Sherman Saw Combat In Almost All Terrain, Including The Steaming Jungles Of The Pacific.

Jungle Tanking: The Sherman Did Just Fine As A Jungle Killing Machine

Army M4A1 tanks with the 603rd Tank Battalion, Biak Island, in the Pacific, (thanks to Russ Amott for the info on the photo!)

Conventional wisdom often states, Jungles are no place for tanks, but that wisdom is wrong. It is very difficult to operate a tank in the jungle, that is true, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. In many cases it requires the close work of heavy engineers and their bulldozers.  In at least one case engineers had to put in a corduroy log road to get the tanks up to the fight when the Marines used them on Cape Gloucester. When a tank can be brought up though, when used correctly, it was a very useful tool in destroying enemy bunkers and strong points that could not be flanked.

Another Marine M4A1 on Cape Gloucester, this one made by (Pacific Car & Foundry) West Coast Best Coast Baby!

Tanks have to be used in a different way than they would in just about any other terrain when fighting in the jungle, and more so than any other terrain, are dependent on their infantry support to protect them and be their eyes. They also cannot be employed in large numbers, fighting in the jungle is a very up close and personal affair, and from two to six tanks are all that are needed or can really be employed.  In most cases it will only be two or three, because most jungle fighting is limited to certain paths due to terrain restrictions.  If the area was wide enough, a tank was only behind a bulldozer in off road ability, but large trees and rocks will stop any tank.

an LST delivering an M4A1 Sherman to Cape Gloucester
An LST delivering a Marine M4A1 Sherman to Cape Gloucester

The Tank could be useful for clearing some of the jungle terrain, through the use of its machine guns, cannon with canister rounds or HE, and even its tracks.  It would take a fairly large tree to stop a tank, the bigger the tank, the larger the tree would have to be, and the tracks are very good at tearing up underbrush.  In some cases tanks were used to pull loaded trucks up roads normally impassible due to mud.  They could be used to haul in supplies to troops and in some special cases used to retrieve wounded troops pinned down by enemy fire, by driving over them and pulling the wounding in through the bottom escape hatch.

Were calling this M4 Composite Hull on Okinawa, named “Aida” with the 763rd TB (thanks to Russ Amott for the info on this photo)

To successfully employ tanks a thorough recon of the area the tanks are going to operate in was needed.  A specific set of objectives, preferably, ones that could be seen from the jumping off point were needed to effectively use tanks, or they just got in the way.  With established objectives, specific infantry squads would be assigned to work directly with individual tank, to baby sit it and keep enemy infantry away.  The platoon leader would be encouraged to either ride on the tank his men were protecting, or stay very close to it so he could talk to the tank commander. The tanks would hold back with their protecting infantry, until the leading grunts made contact, then as needed they would move slowly forward and engage targets pointed out by the grunts.  Moving slow and staying with the men protecting the tank was very important, if they fell behind or got run off by flanking fire, the tank became very vulnerable to close infantry attack.  This is why the platoon leader staying close to the tank was important, so it could be told to start backing up the fire was too heavy.  If an attack failed, the tanks were advised to never attack over the same path, especially if the Japanese had time to bring up AT guns or mines.

Marines supporting an M4A2, in almost jungle, or jungle after lots of shore bombardment.

The pace of these attacks was purposely slow, they needed to make sure they were not bypassing an AT gun or tank killer team hiding in the brush.  Various methods were used, from hand signals to tracers and smoke to designate targets to the tank.  Smoke worked ok, but someone on the phone on the back of the tank telling the TC exactly where to look worked the best.  Once the bullets were flying the tank crews buttoned up and would not open up until asked by the supporting Doughs, or the intense part of the fighting was over.  Sometimes the tanks would need to be given a break in very hot weather, operating at low speed could cause overheating and vapor lock, and was hell on the crews too.  In the tropical heat, the interior of an M4 was not a pleasant place to be.

A pair of M4’s being supported by infantry, on Guam

Once the objectives were achieved for the day or the attacks were stopped, the tanks pulled back far enough behind the lines to refuel, repair and, rearm the tanks. They would also take out as many wounded men as they could carry on their way to the rear. In the morning they may haul extra ammo and other supplies forward to the units who held the line.  Tanks, unless under the most dire circumstances were not used in the line at night, or used in night attacks.  Tanks, blind enough during the day, are so blind at night they are a threat to everyone around them, friend or enemy in the jungle.

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These M4 Composite Hulls were  lost on Guam, near Yigo, after they got to far ahead of the Infantry. (Another photo caption save by Russ Amott!)

The Army and Marine learned a lot of lessons about employing tanks in Jungle terrain, they recorded and disseminated these lessons in the very interesting: Combat Lessons, The Rank And File, What They Are Doing and How They Are Doing it. This was a series of nine, 50 to 90 page pamphlets, put out by the  DOD and sent out to all the troops I have 8 of the 9 hosted in the downloads section, and they are all interesting reads,  they do not cover Armor exclusively, or even in every issue, but they are still a very interesting look at how the US Army and Marines worked during WWII.  When the Sherman was employed using the lesson the Army and Marines learned on the job, they proved to be a crushing and very hard to deal with part of the Allied Arsenal in use against them. The Japanese really had few options in dealing with a Sherman once it was in the fight, the rare 47mm AT gun, hard to employ in heavy jungle, magnetic mines and suicide squads, and the occasional oddball tank trap were the only tools in their arsenal that could deal with the Sherman and none of these was as good as the basic Panzerfaust or German Pak 40 75mm AT gun. The Japanese tanks were so bad they are not worth mentioning in this section.

Check these links out for further reading.

US Army Tanks in the Jungle Part, 1: This pair of Hatch’s are by guest writer, Harry Yeide, the author we know from the books section.

US Army Tanks in the Jungle Part, 2: This is part II by Harry Yeide.

M4 Shermans in the jungle or swamp, I’m going to guess Bougainville HAH! I got this location right! Thanks to Russ Amott, we also know that this tank is with the 754th TB.

2 thoughts on “#48 Jungle Tanking: The Sherman Saw Combat In Almost All Terrain, Including The Steaming Jungles Of The Pacific.

  1. Photo 1 is from the 603rd TB, Biak island.
    Photo 4 is from the 763rd TB, Okinawa, “Aida”
    Photo 7 is outside of Yigo, Guam.
    Photo 8 is of the 754th TB, Bougainville

    1. Thanks for all the Photo Captions Russ, I’ve spent more than a few nights looking through various books on the Sherman trying to find more info for the photo captions, but with so many photos, I often end then searching around trying to find what post I put it in once I find the photo!

      Sadly I have the short term memory of a goldfish.

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Manchester City improved their prospects of Champions League qualification with a 5-0 demolition of Crystal Palace, while Swansea City’s 1-0 win over Everton pushed Hull City into the Premier League relegation zone on Saturday.

Frustrated by damaging draws in their previous two games, City got back on track and climbed to third in the table after a stylish display inspired by David Silva’s return from injury at Eastlands.

Silva, out for a fortnight after suffering a blow to his knee during the FA Cup semifinal defeat by Arsenal, opened the scoring after two minutes.

Vincent Kompany doubled City’s lead in the 49th minute before Kevin De Bruyne’s long-range strike made it three 10 minutes later.

Raheem Sterling’s cool finish in the 82nd minute was followed by Nicolas Otamendi’s diving header in stoppage time as City leapfrogged Liverpool on goal difference.

Pep Guardiola’s side also moved four points clear of fifth-placed Manchester United as the battle to finish in the top four heats up.

United, who travel to Arsenal, and Liverpool, who host Southampton, are both in action on Sunday.

“Today was important because we are playing for the future of the club,” Guardiola said.

“The Premier League is tough. There are four amazing teams fighting for the final two places in the top four.”

Palace’s third successive defeat left them four points above the relegation zone and still not certain to stay up.

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31-01-2013, 12:20 PM
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(05-05-2011 01:05 AM)Filox Wrote:  Quite interesting. So it appears he did exist then, as a historical person. Oh well, too bad, but what a hell... There I just started to believe in Jesus. Again.

Why? The text given here merely claims that there were contemporary writings about Jesus and his works, but the lack of those writings are exactly why many of us think he's entirely myth. Richard Carrier, an atheist historian, makes exactly this argument which I've linked to below.

While there are a lot of citations listed at the bottom of the text, I notice that they are (not surprisingly) Christian sources, and I didn't notice specific citations in the text linking to where you could find each fact (as people typically do in research papers and other scholarly works). It's just an attempt to "blind with sources", basically.

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25-12-2013, 10:05 AM
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The trouble with this "evidence" of Jesus' existence is that there is no actual contemporary evidence. Those writings that have so far been found are not actually contemporary to Jesus' life. The closest of these authors is Josephus, who was born in 37AD...Jesus is historically believed to have died sometime between close, but so far. The best Josephus can be relied on for evidence is that he heard if from someone who heard it from the horse's mouth. But, then, there is the question of whether or not Josephus' works are genuinely his...or were they later interpolations and forgeries by a Catholic historian named Eusebius as some theorists have suggested (see: for more info)?
So far, as far as i can find (and i have studied this question for over 15 years now), there is no direct eyewitness evidence that Jesus existed...only word of mouth or second hand relation at best.
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25-12-2013, 11:24 AM
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Welcome, ii. thanks for the point.

This is rather an old thread, and on first blush it looks like most or all of the participants have moved on, but hey, welcome and thanks for the thoughtful post!

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01-01-2014, 12:07 PM
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smoke and mirrors, lets clear the air.

Some people actually believe that just because so much voice and ink has spread the word of a character named Jesus throughout history, that this must mean that he actually lived. This argument simply does not hold. The number of people who believe or write about something or the professional degrees they hold say nothing at all about fact. Facts derive out of evidence, not from hearsay, not from hubris scholars, and certainly not from faithful believers. Regardless of the position or admiration held by a scholar, believer, or priest, if he or she cannot support a hypothesis with good evidence, then it can only remain a hypothesis.

While a likely possibility exists that an actual Jesus lived, another likely possibility reveals that a mythology could have derived out of earlier mythologies or possibly independent archetypal hero worship. Although we have no evidence for a historical Jesus, we certainly have many accounts of mythologies from the Middle East during the first century and before. Many of these stories appear similar to the Christ saviour story.

Just before and during the first century, the Jews had prophesied about an upcoming Messiah based on Jewish scripture. Their beliefs influenced many of their followers. We know that powerful beliefs can create self-fulfilling prophesies, and surely this proved just as true in ancient times. It served as a popular dream expressed in Hebrew Scripture for the promise of an "end-time" with a savior to lead them to the promised land. Indeed, Roman records show executions of several would-be Messiahs, (but not a single record mentions a Jesus). Many ancients believed that there could come a final war against the "Sons of Darkness"-- the Romans.

This then could very well have served as the ignition and flame for the future growth of Christianity. Biblical scholars tell us that the early Christians lived within pagan communities. Jewish scriptural beliefs coupled with the pagan myths of the time give sufficient information about how such a religion could have formed. Many of the Hellenistic and pagan myths parallel so closely to the alleged Jesus that to ignore its similarities means to ignore the mythological beliefs of history. Dozens of similar savior stories propagated the minds of humans long before the alleged life of Jesus. Virtually nothing about Jesus "the Christ" came to the Christians as original or new.

For example, the religion of Zoroaster, founded circa 628-551 B.C.E. in ancient Persia, roused mankind in the need for hating a devil, the belief of a paradise, last judgment and resurrection of the dead. Mithraism, an offshoot of Zoroastrianism probably influenced early Christianity. The Magi described in the New Testament appears as Zoroastrian priests. Note the word "paradise" came from the Persian pairidaeza.

Osiris, Hercules, Hermes, Prometheus, Perseus, Romulus, and others compare to the Christian myth. According to Patrick Campbell of The Mythical Jesus, all served as pre-Christian sun gods, yet all allegedly had gods for fathers, virgins for mothers; had their births announced by stars; got born on the solstice around December 25th; had tyrants who tried to kill them in their infancy; met violent deaths; rose from the dead; and nearly all got worshiped by "wise men" and had allegedly fasted for forty days. [McKinsey, Chapter 5]

Even Justin Martyr recognized the analogies between Christianity and Paganism. To the Pagans, he wrote: "When we say that the Word, who is first born of God, was produced without sexual union, and that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven; we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter (Zeus)." [First Apology, ch. xxi]

Virtually all of the mythical accounts of a savior Jesus have parallels to past pagan mythologies which existed long before Christianity and from the Jewish scriptures that we now call the Old Testament. The accounts of these myths say nothing about historical reality, but they do say a lot about believers, how they believed, and how their beliefs spread.

In the book The Jesus Puzzle, the biblical scholar, Earl Doherty, presents not only a challenge to the existence of an historical Jesus but reveals that early pre-Gospel Christian documents show that the concept of Jesus sprang from non-historical spiritual beliefs of a Christ derived from Jewish scripture and Hellenized myths of savior gods. Nowhere do any of the New Testament epistle writers describe a human Jesus, including Paul. None of the epistles mention a Jesus from Nazareth, an earthly teacher, or as a human miracle worker. Nowhere do we find these writers quoting Jesus. Nowhere do we find them describing any details of Jesus' life on earth or his followers. Nowhere do we find the epistle writers even using the word "disciple" (they of course use the term "apostle" but the word simply means messenger, as Paul saw himself). Except for a few well known interpolations, Jesus always gets presented as a spiritual being that existed before all time with God, and that knowledge of Christ came directly from God or as a revelation from the word of scripture. Doherty writes, "Christian documents outside the Gospels, even at the end of the first century and beyond, show no evidence that any tradition about an earthly life and ministry of Jesus were in circulation."

Furthermore, the epistle to the Hebrews (8:4), makes it explicitly clear that the epistle writer did not believe in a historical Jesus: "If He [Jesus] had been on earth, He would not be a priest."

Did the Christians copy (or steal) the pagan ideas directly into their own faith? Not necessarily. They may have gotten many of their beliefs through syncretism or through independent hero archetype worship, innate to human story telling. If gotten through syncretism, Jews and pagans could very well have influenced the first Christians, especially the ideas of salvation and beliefs about good and evil. Later, at the time of the gospels, other myths may entered Christian beliefs such a the virgin birth and miracles. In the 4th century, we know that Christians derived the birthday of Jesus from the pagans. If gotten through independent means, it still says nothing about Christian originality because we know that pagans had beliefs about incarnated gods, long before Christianity existed. The hero archetypes still exist in our story telling today. As one personal example, as a boy I used to read and collect Superman comics. It never occurred to me at the time to see Superman as a Christ-figure. Yet, if you analyze Superman and Jesus stories, they have uncanny similarities. In fact the movie Superman Returns explicitly tells the Superman story through a savior's point of view without once mentioning Jesus, yet Christians would innately know the connection. Other movies like Star Wars, Phenomenon, K-PAX, The Matrix, etc. also covertly tell savior stories. So whether the first Christians borrowed or independently came up with a savior story makes no difference whatsoever. The point here only aims to illustrate that Christians did not originate the savior story.

The early historical documents can prove nothing about an actual Jesus but they do show an evolution of belief derived from varied and diverse concepts of Christianity, starting from a purely spiritual form of Christ to a human figure who embodied that spirit, as portrayed in the Gospels. The New Testament stories appears as an eclectic hodgepodge of Jewish, Hellenized and pagan stories compiled by pietistic believers to appeal to an audience for their particular religious times.
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28-01-2014, 01:06 AM
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(04-05-2011 08:24 PM)Monk Wrote:  I go on youtube and argue with mindless Christians. Well, a user name ddahea sent me this which I found amusing because I told him jesus didnt exist:

Did Jesus Christ really exist
Did Jesus Christ really exist, or is Christianity built upon a legend? Few scholars question Jesus' existence, but some enemies of Christianity are attempting to prove otherwise.

In a lawsuit against the Vatican, the Church was accused of inventing the story of Jesus' existence. Although the case was thrown out of court in February, 2006, the plaintiff, Luigi Cascioli, appealed, but ultimately his case was closed.

The argument against Jesus' existence was made public on CNN TV when Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists, declared:

"The reality is there is not one shred of secular evidence there ever was a Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ and Christianity is a modern religion. And Jesus Christ is a compilation from other gods: Osiris, Mithras, who had the same origins, the same death as the mythological Jesus Christ." - Ellen Johnson, atheist

Johnson and a blue-ribbon panel of religious leaders were discussing the question, "What happens after we die?" on a Larry King Live CNN broadcast. The usually unflappable King paused reflectively and then replied, "So you don't believe there was a Jesus Christ?"

With an air of certainty, Johnson responded, "There was not. It is not what I believe; there is no secular evidence that JC, Jesus Christ, ever existed."

King had no follow-up and went to a commercial break. No discussion of any evidence for or against Jesus' existence was forthcoming. The international television audience was left wondering.1

Fifty years earlier, in his book Why I Am Not a Christian, atheist Bertrand Russell shocked his generation by questioning Jesus' existence. He wrote: "Historically it is quite doubtful whether Christ ever existed at all, and if He did we do not know anything about Him, so that I am not concerned with the historical question, which is a very difficult one."2

Is it possible that the Jesus so many believe to be real never existed? In The Story of Civilization, secular historian Will Durant posed this question: "Did Christ exist? Is the life story of the founder of Christianity the product of human sorrow, imagination, and hope—a myth comparable to the legends of Krishna, Osiris, Attis, Adonis, Dionysus, and Mithras?"3 Durant pointed out how the story of Christianity has "many suspicious resemblances to the legends of pagan gods."4 Later in this article we will see how this great historian answered his own question about the existence of Jesus.

So, how can we know for sure that this man, whom many worship and others curse, was real? Is Johnson right when she asserts that Jesus Christ is a "compilation from other gods"? And is Russell right when he says that Jesus' existence is "quite doubtful"?

Myth vs. Reality
Let's begin with a more foundational question: What distinguishes myth from reality? How do we know, for example, that Alexander the Great really existed? Supposedly, in 336 b.c., Alexander the Great became king of Macedonia at 20 years of age. A military genius, this handsome, arrogant leader butchered his way through villages, towns, and kingdoms of the Greco-Persian world until he ruled it all. In a short eight years Alexander's armies had traversed a total of 22,000 miles in his conquests.

It has been said of Alexander that he cried when he ran out of worlds to conquer. (I'm thinking, this is not the person I want to play Monopoly with.)

Before he died at age 32, Alexander reportedly accomplished greater military deeds than anyone in history, not only of the kings who had lived before him, but also of those who were to come later, down to our own time. But today, other than a bunch of cities named Alexandria, a boring film by Oliver Stone, and a few books, his legacy is all but forgotten. In fact, the name Colin Farrell had more drawing power at the box office than Alexander's.

In spite of the box office flop, historians believe Alexander existed because of three primary reasons:

•written documentation from early historians
•historical impact
•other historical and archaeological evidence

Historical Documents About Jesus
The historicity of Alexander the Great and his military conquests is drawn from five ancient sources, none of whom were eyewitnesses. Although written 400 years after Alexander, Plutarch's Life of Alexander is the primary account of his life.

Since Plutarch and the other writers were several hundred years removed from the events of Alexander's life, they based their information on prior accounts. Of the twenty contemporary historical accounts on Alexander, not one survives. Later accounts exist, but each presents a different "Alexander," with much left to our imagination. But regardless of the time gap of several hundred years, historians are convinced that Alexander was a real man and that the essential details of what we read about his life are true.

Keeping Alexander as a reference point, we'll note that for Jesus there are both religious and secular historical accounts. But we must ask the question, were they written by reliable and objective historians? Let's take a brief look.

The New Testament
The 27 New Testament books claim to be written by authors who either knew Jesus or received firsthand knowledge of him from others. The four Gospel accounts record Jesus' life and words from different perspectives. These accounts have been heavily scrutinized by scholars both inside Christianity and outside it.

Scholar John Dominic Crossan believes that less than 20 percent of what we read in the Gospels are original sayings of Jesus. Yet even this skeptic doesn't dispute that Jesus Christ really lived.

In spite of Crossan's views, and those of a few other fringe scholars like him, the consensus of most historians is that the Gospel accounts give us a clear picture of Jesus Christ. Whether the New Testament accounts are trustworthy is the subject of another article (See "Jesus.doc"), so we will look to non-Christian sources for our answer as to whether Jesus existed.

Early Non-Christian Accounts
So, which first-century historians who wrote of Jesus did not have a Christian agenda? First of all, let's look to Jesus' enemies.

His Jewish opponents had the most to gain by denying Jesus' existence. But the evidence points in the opposite direction. "Several Jewish writings also tell of His flesh-and-blood existence. Both Gemaras of the Jewish Talmud refer to Jesus. Although these consist of only a few brief, bitter passages intended to discount Jesus' deity, these very early Jewish writings don't begin to hint that he was not a historical person."5

Flavius Josephus was a noted Jewish historian who began writing under Roman authority in a.d. 67. Josephus, who was born just a few years after Jesus died, would have been keenly aware of Jesus' reputation among both Romans and Jews. In his famous Antiquities of the Jews (a.d. 93), Josephus wrote of Jesus as a real person. "At that time lived Jesus, a holy man, if man he may be called, for he performed wonderful works, and taught men, and joyfully received the truth. And he was followed by many Jews and many Greeks. He was the Messiah."6 Although there is dispute about some of the wording in the account, especially the reference to Jesus being the Messiah (scholars are skeptical, thinking that Christians inserted this phrase), certainly Josephus confirmed his existence.

What about secular historians—those who lived in ancient times but weren't religiously motivated? There is current confirmation of at least 19 early secular writers who made references to Jesus as a real person.7

One of antiquity's greatest historians, Cornelius Tacitus, affirmed that Jesus had suffered under Pilate. Tacitus was born around 25 years after Jesus died, and he had seen the spread of Christianity begin to impact Rome. The Roman historian wrote negatively of Christ and Christians, identifying them in a.d. 115 as "a race of men detested for their evil practices, and commonly called Chrestiani. The name was derived from Chrestus, who, in the reign of Tiberius, suffered under Pontius Pilate, Procurator of Judea."8

The following facts about Jesus were written by early non-Christian sources:
•Jesus was from Nazareth.
•Jesus lived a wise and virtuous life.
•Jesus was crucified in Palestine under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius Caesar at Passover time, being considered the Jewish king.
•Jesus was believed by his disciples to have died and risen from the dead three days later.
•Jesus' enemies acknowledged that he performed unusual feats they called "sorcery."
•Jesus' small band of disciples multiplied rapidly, spreading as far as Rome.
•Jesus' disciples denied polytheism, lived moral lives, and worshiped Christ as God.
Theologian Norman Geisler remarked:

"This general outline is perfectly congruent with that of the New Testament."9

All of these independent accounts, religious and secular, speak of a real man who matches up well with the Jesus in the Gospels. Encyclopedia Britannica cites these various secular accounts of Jesus' life as convincing proof of his existence. It states:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus."10

Historical Impact
An important distinction between a myth and a real person is how the figure impacts history. For example, books have been written and movies produced about King Arthur of Camelot and his Knights of the Roundtable. These characters have become so notorious that many believe they were real people. But historians who have searched for clues to their existence have been unable to discover any impact they have had on laws, ethics, or religion. A kingdom with the grandeur of Camelot should certainly have left its footprints on contemporary history. This lack of historical impact indicates King Arthur and his Knights of the Roundtable are simply mythical.

The historian Thomas Carlyle said, "No great man lives in vain. The history of the world is but the biography of great men."11 As Carlyle notes, it is real people, not myths, who impact history.

As a real person, Alexander impacted history by his military conquests, altering nations, governments, and laws. But what of Jesus Christ and his impact on our world?

The first-century governments of Israel and Rome were largely untouched by Jesus' life. The average Roman citizen didn't know he existed until many years after his death, Roman culture remained largely aloof from his teaching for decades, and it would be several centuries before killing Christians in the coliseum became a national pastime. The rest of the world had little if any knowledge of him. Jesus marshaled no army. He didn't write a book or change any laws. The Jewish leaders hoped to wipe out his memory, and it appeared they would succeed.

Today, however, ancient Rome lies in ruins. Caesar's mighty legions and the pomp of Roman imperial power have faded into oblivion. Yet how is Jesus remembered today? What is his enduring influence?

•More books have been written about Jesus than about any other person in history.
•Nations have used his words as the bedrock of their governments. According to Durant, "The triumph of Christ was the beginning of democracy."12
•His Sermon on the Mount established a new paradigm in ethics and morals.
•Schools, hospitals, and humanitarian works have been founded in his name. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Oxford are but a few universities that have Christians to thank for their beginning.
•The elevated role of women in Western culture traces its roots back to Jesus. (Women in Jesus' day were considered inferior and virtual nonpersons until his teaching was followed.)
•Slavery was abolished in Britain and America due to Jesus' teaching that each human life is valuable.
•Former drug and alcohol dependents, prostitutes, and others seeking purpose in life claim him as the explanation for their changed lives.
•Two billion people call themselves Christians. While some are Christian in name only, others continue to impact our culture by teaching Jesus' principles that all life is valuable and we are to love one another.
Remarkably, Jesus made all of this impact as a result of just a three-year period of public ministry. If Jesus didn't exist, one must wonder how a myth could so alter history. When world historian H. G. Wells was asked who has left the greatest legacy on history, he replied, "By this test Jesus stands first."13

Documentary evidence and historical impact point to the fact that Jesus did exist. If Jesus did really exist, we also would expect to discover his footprints imprinted within the details of history. Myths don't leave such confirming details.

One of the keys here for Durant and other scholars is the time factor. Myths and legends usually take hundreds of years to evolve—the story of George Washington never telling a lie was probably a lie, until two centuries turned it into legend. News of Christianity, on the other hand, spread too quickly to be attributed to a myth or legend. Had Jesus not existed, those who opposed Christianity would certainly have labeled him a myth from the outset. But they didn't.

Such evidence, along with the early written accounts and the historical impact of Jesus Christ, convince even skeptical historians that the founder of Christianity was neither myth nor legend. But one expert on myths wasn't so sure.

Like Muggeridge, Oxford scholar C. S. Lewis was initially convinced that Jesus was nothing more than a myth. Lewis once stated, "All religions, that is, all mythologies ... are merely man's own invention—Christ as much as Loki."15 (Loki is an old Norse god. Like Thor, but without the ponytail.)

Ten years after denouncing Jesus as a myth, Lewis discovered that historical details, including several eyewitness documents, verify his existence.

Jesus Christ has impacted history's landscape like a massive earthquake. And this earthquake has left a trail wider than the Grand Canyon. It is this trail of evidence that convinces scholars that Jesus really did exist and really did impact our world 2,000 years ago.

One skeptic who thought Jesus was a myth was British journalist Malcolm Muggeridge. But on a television assignment to Israel, Muggeridge was faced with evidence about Jesus Christ that he didn't know existed. As he checked out historical places—Jesus' birthplace, Nazareth, the crucifixion site, and the empty tomb—a sense of Jesus' reality began to emerge.

Later he stated

"It was while I was in the Holy Land for the purpose of making three B.B.C. television programmes on the New Testament that a ... certainty seized me about Jesus' birth, ministry and Crucifixion. ... I became aware that there really had been a man, Jesus, who was also God."14

Some German higher-critical scholars in the 18th and 19th centuries had questioned Jesus' existence, pointing out that such key figures as Pontius Pilate and the chief priest Joseph Caiaphas in the Gospel accounts had never been confirmed as real. No rebuttal was possible until the mid-20th century.

Archaeologists in 1962 confirmed Pilate's existence when they discovered his name included in an inscription on an excavated stone. Likewise, the existence of Caiaphas was uncertain until 1990, when an ossuary (bone box) was discovered bearing his inscription. Archaeologists have also discovered what they believe to be Simon Peter's house and a cave where John the Baptist did his baptizing.

Finally, perhaps the most convincing historical evidence that Jesus existed was the rapid rise of Christianity. How can it be explained without Christ? How could this group of fishermen and other workingmen invent Jesus in a scant few years? Durant answered his own introductory question—did Christ exist?—with the following conclusion:

That a few simple men should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels. After two centuries of Higher Criticism the outlines of the life, character, and teaching of Christ, remain reasonably clear, and constitute the most fascinating feature in the history of Western man.

Scholars' Verdict
Clifford Herschel Moore, professor at Harvard University, remarked of Jesus' historicity, "Christianity knew its Saviour and Redeemer not as some god whose history was contained in a mythical faith. ... Jesus was a historical not a mythical being. No remote or foul myth obtruded itself on the Christian believer; his faith was founded on positive, historical, and acceptable facts."16

Few if any serious historians agree with Ellen Johnson's and Bertrand Russell's assertions that Jesus didn't exist. The extensive documentation of Jesus' life by contemporary writers, his profound historical impact, and the confirming tangible evidence of history have persuaded scholars that Jesus really did exist. Could a myth have done all that? All but a few extremely skeptical scholars say no.

Dr. Michael Grant of Cambridge has written, "To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ-myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non-historicity of Jesus.' "17

Yale historian Jaroslav Pelikan declared, "Regardless of what anyone may personally think or believe about him, Jesus of Nazareth has been the dominant figure in the history of Western culture for almost twenty centuries. ... It is from his birth that most of the human race dates its calendars, it is by his name that millions curse and in his name that millions pray."18

1.Ellen Johnson and Larry King, "What Happens After We Die?" Larry King Live, CNN, April 14, 2005.nn
2.Bertrand Russell, Why I Am Not a Christian (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1957), 16.
3.Will Durant, Caesar and Christ, vol. 3 of The Story of Civilization (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1972), 553.
4.Ibid., 557.
5.D. James Kennedy, Skeptics Answered (Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1997), 76.
6.The Gemaras are early rabbinical commentaries of the Jewish Talmud, a body of theological writings, dated a.d. 200--500.6 Quoted in Durant, 554.
7.Quoted in D. James Kennedy, Skeptics Answered, (Sisters Oregon: Multnomah Publishers Inc., 1997), 73.
8.Quoted in Durant, 281.
9.Norman Geisler and Peter Bocchino, Unshakable Foundations (Grand Rapids, MI: Bethany House, 2001), 269.
10.Quoted in Josh McDowell, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, vol. 1 (Nashville: Nelson, 1979), 87.
11.Quoted in Christopher Lee, This Sceptred Isle, 55 B.C.--1901 (London: Penguin, 1997), 1.
12.Will Durant, The Story of Philosophy (New York: Pocket, 1961), 428.
13.Quoted in Bernard Ramm, Protestant Christian Evidences (Chicago: Moody Press, 1957), 163.
14.Malcolm Muggeridge, Jesus Rediscovered (Bungay, Suffolk, U.K.: Fontana, 1969), 8.
15.David C. Downing, The Most Reluctant Convert (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity, 2002), 57.
16.Quoted in McDowell, 193.
17.Michael Grant, Jesus (London: Rigel, 2004), 200.
18.Jaroslav Pelikan, Jesus through the Centuries (New York: Harper & Row, 1987), 1

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It really doesn't make much difference whether or not Jesus existed or not. L. Ron Hubbard existed, we have first had evidence, photos, etc., but it lends no credence to his little green alien possessions; no more than the evidence above lends credence to the craziness of the Bible.
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28-01-2014, 03:36 AM
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As far as the rapid rise of Christianity being the most convincing historical evidence, baloney. Although many people Christian and secular insist that a legend could not rise so fast, I say they have no idea what they are talking about. How fast did the legend of Menachm Schneerson being Messiah take to rise after his death in 1994?

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Necroposting motherfuckers, how many threads do we need about this shit? Dodgy

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42 is the answer.

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(28-01-2014 05:32 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Necroposting motherfuckers, how many threads do we need about this shit? Dodgy

I agree! We need a thread on how Jesus existed in the Bible. First and foremost he must have been really really thin, which explains how he can hear prayers without being seen: he must be standing sideways.
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(28-01-2014 05:32 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Necroposting motherfuckers, how many threads do we need about this shit? Dodgy

I agree! We need a thread on how Jesus existed in the Bible. First and foremost he must have been really really thin, which explains how he can hear prayers without being seen: he must be standing sideways.

So that explains why some bibles have his words in red!

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So Fresh So Clean - Japanese Cuisine in LA

Writer, photographer, traveler, cook and college friend from days yonder, Dani Kando-Kaiser reports on some of her favorite Japanese eateries in Los Angeles. Most of our college days together entailed wall to wall laughter, music obsessions and 'free' burritos from the campus coffeehouse where she worked. Good times. She is currently getting ready to publish a photo-essay book this Summer, a children's fairytale entitled,  Dream in the Desert

LA gets a pretty bad rap, doesn’t it? “It’s superficial, it has no substance, it’s so fake!” Having lived much of my life in Northern California, I’d heard all of these slights and more, but I’d always had a fondness for the impressive vastness, the muchness, of the never-ending city. Almost two years to the date that I’m writing this, my husband took a job in downtown LA, and while I had the same mixed emotions we all have when we leave good friends and an established life, I was totally unprepared for what was to come – I feel head over heels in love.

Yeah, I have a massive crush on LA, and it  has everything to do with the fact that it’s NOTHING like I thought it would be. For instance, that side of town where the bubbly blonde billionaires live – that’s also home to the second largest population of Ethiopians in the US and it’s where I had the best Doro Wat of my life.

But, I live on what we call the East Side, where we have the largest Chinese and Thai populations outside of those two countries, as well as the largest concentration of Central Americans in the US, and this makes for the most diverse collection of restaurants you could imagine. And, when you add to this both the competition of having so many restaurants and the abundance of fresh, locally sourced, and healthful ingredients – LA really is a culinary wonderland.

The cozy and delicious Daikokuya Ramen house
Ultra-rich broth, fresh noodles and a marinated egg take this ramen to the next level
One of my favorite cuisines is Japanese and one of my favorite places for lunch is the tiny and adorably scruffy Daikokuya ramen house in the Little Tokyo neighborhood of Downtown LA. It’s warm and dark, and decorated in old Japanese movie posters, the waiters are all friendly Japanese punk kids, and the ramen is flawless. The noodles here are totally fresh and served al dente, and the gorgeous little soft-boiled egg (my favorite part, so I ask for an extra one) is marinated for extra flavor. But, the star of the show is the broth. OMG that broth!!! It’s incredibly rich and creamy, due to the fact that they let high quality korubuta pork, bones and all, simmer for several hours. Some folks choose to add koteri (pork back fat) to their ramen, which isn’t my thing, but makes for an unarguably decadent treat. Me, I just add some of the fresh garlic and ginger that comes with the ramen, as well as a couple dashes of red pepper, and I’m in total ramen nirvana.

Sweet little sweets at Little Tokyo's legendary Fugetsu-Do
After I waddle out of Daikokuya, I head a few doors over to the adorable sweet shop Fugetsu-Do. Owned and operated by the same family since 1903, Fugetsu-Do has an amazing history and is just a joy to visit. The very affable owner, Brian Kito, loves to talk about his mochi and is the creator of one of my favorite things to eat in LA – a cup of fruit-flavored shaved ice with little pieces of chopped mochi. This treat is only served in the summer, but at any time of the year, you can choose from an amazing array of beautiful, fresh sweets. In my house, we love the tiny jewel-like chrysanthemum mochi. And the strawberry mochi filled with just a touch of peanut butter.

Superb red snapper with citrus, yuzu and crushed pink peppercorns
Robata Jinya's grilled Japanese squash, foie gras and Kitsune meatballs
On the other end of LA, near the wonderful Original LA Farmers Market, is the lively and addictive Robata Jinya. Taking the traditional robata grill to the next level, Robata Jinya has an impressive number of unique items, all in small quantities, so that you can easily and inexpensively try everything you want to. Recently, my friends and I shared the grilled foie gras, miso beef tongue, Japanese pumpkin, and lotus root. The foie gras and tongue were incredibly tender, the pumpkin was smoky and creamy, and the lotus root had a refreshingly clean snap to it. Also fantastic here is the sashimi. In a town that has far too many mediocre sushi restaurants, this is simply the best sashimi I’ve had. My favorite is the always-impeccably –fresh red snapper with citrus, yuzu and crushed pink peppercorns.

Robata Jinya manager, Q, pours fresh, organic soy milk to create the amazing fresh tofu
Fresh tofu with green onions, sesame salt, fish flakes and a light soy sauce
But, the best dish here is very humble, but completely beyond compare – the Homemade Tofu. When you order it, your server will first come to your table with a slim three-sectioned dish containing razor-thin slices of green onion, powdery sesame salt, and delicate coils of fish flakes. Next will arrive a beautiful wooden tea pot, from which the server will pour a thin stream of steaming ultra-fresh soy milk into a large earthenware bowl. You will be ordered to wait, very patiently, for at least five minutes, after which the server will come back and scoop the now-solidified tofu into your little bowl. Sprinkle it with the three accoutrements and a few drops of soy sauce, and take a spoonful of the most ethereal dish imaginable. Not quite as thick as custard, but more like a very light savory flan, there is nothing quite like it. When I recently begged the always-gracious manager, a lovely older gentleman who is simply known as Q, how I could make this delicacy at home, he just smiled and said, “For this you need to known magic, and if I tell you this, you won’t come see me anymore.”

As if!

327 E. 1st st
Los Angeles

(more locations here)

t: 213 626 1680

Mon - Thurs: 11:00am - Midnight
Fri - Sat: 11:00am - 1:00am
Sunday: 11:00am - 11:00 pm

Fugetsu-Do Confectioners
315 E. 1st st.
Los Angeles

Sun - Thurs: 8:00am - 6:00pm
Fri - Sat: 8:00am - 7:00pm

Robata Jinya
8050 W. 3rd st.
Los Angeles

(more locations here)

t: 323 653 8877

Mon - Sun: Lunch, 11:30am - 3:00 & Dinner, 5:30pm - 11:00pm ( closed Sun. for lunch)

Photos and text: Dani Kando-Kaiser

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My Grandfather's Perfect Turkey Gravy

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I have a special recipe for all of you. The ultimate gravy recipe. My family has made this gravy year after year for generations... and I now have made it for my American and foreign friends while living here in Paris. Everyone asks for the recipe, and we all pine over it the next day when the last of the leftovers are being fought over. ENJOY.

Turkey giblets ( except the liver)
3 cups organic chicken stock
1 onion
1 carrot
1/4 cup chopped parsley
a few sprigs of Thyme
1 bay leaf
1 cup Madeira wine ( important ingredient! )
3/4 cup cream
4 tsp flour
3 cups water plus 1/4 cup
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Giblet Stock (to be made in advance while turkey is roasting): In a large sauce pan, brown all giblets (except liver) in butter and add 3 cups water, 3 cups chicken stock, parsley, thyme, bay leaf, 1 onion and 1 carrot (stick a clove in the onion if you have one).  Boil for 2 -3 hours and skim the fat from mixture.

When Turkey comes out of the oven and is removed from roasting pan to rest, skim fat from drippings at the bottom of the pan. Place a zip-top plastic bag inside a 2-cup glass measuring cup. Pour drippings from pan into bag; let stand 10 minutes (remaining fat will rise to the top). Seal bag; carefully snip off 1 bottom corner. Drain drippings into a bowl, stopping before fat layer reaches opening; discard fat. You can skip this step if you can effectively remove the fat content. It's important to get rid of the fat in order to obtain a velvety smooth gravy.

Pour drippings back into roasting pan and put pan over moderate high heat directly on your range ( place over 2 burners). Add 1 cup Madeira to drippings, and reduce by cooking over moderate high heat until 1/2 of original volume. Be sure to scrape in any bits and pieces of drippings stuck to the bottom of the pan into mixture as they will dissolve well and add a lot of flavor. You can use a gravy whisk. Once reduced, pour liquid through a sieve into a medium sized saucepan and return to range.

Add the giblet stock to sauce pan over medium heat and reduce to 2 cups. Add 3/4 cup cream. Stir in 4 teaspoon's flour that has been dissolved in 1/4 cup water. Simmer 5 minutes. Add salt and pepper to taste. Serves 8 - 10. For a larger group, simply double this recipe.

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Scum Rises to the Top at Canada’s United Church

Gary Paterson, the first openly gay Moderator of the United Church of Canada

The United Church, like the Catholics and Anglicans, are in flagrant violation of the Income Tax laws and rules of charitable societies, since they are corporations with criminal records that do not devote their revenue to solely charitable purposes.

Indeed, on average barely 15% of these churches’ funds go to help the poor or charities. According to the law, that disqualifies them from not paying taxes. So how come these phoney churches are still tax exempt?

by Kevin Annett – August 21, 2012

The angry clergyman stormed out of his United Church to confront me and the aboriginal man who were leafletting his parishioners.

“Fucking assholes!” he screamed at us. “Why don’t you get a life?”

“This is about our children who died in your residential schools …” the native man replied politely, offering a leaflet to the minister, who grabbed it, crumpled it up and smirked at the Indian. Then he turned his back on us and began saying loudly to his flock, “Ignore them, people! They’re just the looney tunes!”

It was a Sunday in the fall of 1999. The place: Ryerson United Church in Vancouver. The minister was Gary Paterson, who last week was elected National Moderator of the United Church of Canada.

I suppose it’s completely appropriate that a little creep like Gary Paterson was chosen to be the head of the church that has, like Paterson, told those who as children survived rape and torture at their hands to get lost. For the man who offered a leaflet to Paterson was such a survivor, and he now languishes in a U.S. prison after being framed by the FBI on a murder charge. His name is John Graham.

John, left, took Paterson’s attack in stride that day. He and I retreated to a coffee shop afterwards.

“They’re all the same” he said quietly, in response to Paterson’s behavior. “Asking them to come clean is a waste of time.”

“Yeah” I agreed. “But the funny thing is, the last time I saw that guy, he gave me a big hug and congratulated me on my ordination.”

“Naturally” John replied.

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Welcome to the Card Sharks guide at TV Tome. "Ace is high, deuce is low. Call them right and win the dough ... onnnn ... Card Sharks!" That's how the opening spiel for one of the most popular new game shows of the late 1970s went. Based on the card game Acey Deucy, Card Sharks enjoyed two successful runs: from 1978 to 1981 on NBC daytime; and from 1986-1989 on CBS (a five-a-week syndicated entry aired from 1986-1987). There was also an ill-advised debacle of a run, a five-a-week syndicated show that appeared in the fall of 2001. The basic premise for all three runs was similar: complete the row of cards before your opponent does, by correctly guessing whether the next card was higher or lower. 1978-1981 and 1986-1989 versions The rules for the 1978 and 1986 versions, which saw two players (one a returning champion) compete, were virtually identical. Each player had his/her own row of five cards. To gain control of his row, he/she had to be more accurate in answeri

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Q&A with The Vegan Cakery

October 23, 2014

If you haven’t heard of The Vegan Cakery, it’s time to get yourself down to Café Mbriki in Leicester and try a delicious vegan cupcake or peanut millionaire’s shortbread (my personal favorite).

Michelle Orme is the brains behind The Vegan Cakery, and she is determined to prove that vegan cakes don’t have to be boring – that not only can they compete with their traditional counterparts, but also surpass them in flavor. In addition to offering veganized versions of different cakes and pastries, she also recently took it upon herself to veganize everything from the Great British Bake Off – and the results really speak for themselves.

I had the pleasure of meeting Michelle recently at the vegan tasting evening at 34 Windsor Street, and here she explains a bit more about her story and her inspiration behind starting The Vegan Cakery.

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How long have you been vegan?

Actually strict Vegan about 10 years – and I really wish I’d have done it sooner! Vegetarian from 14/15 years old… so roughly 27 years.

What was your inspiration for starting the Vegan Cakery?

I first thought of establishing The Vegan Cakery about two and a half years ago with the main driving force being to raise money for, and awareness of, a variety of wonderful animal-friendly charities. After spending a lot of time developing my own recipes – I’ve always been adamant if I was going to do this I wanted all of my products to be original and not from other people’s recipes – we took all of the correct steps one at a time, such as environmental health checks, obtaining the correct insurance cover and applying for Vegan Society trademarks etc.

To begin with, I only ever thought I’d sell one or two cakes per week at best. I’ve been absolutely amazed how popular The Vegan Cakery brand has become and how widespread my fantastic customer base is. We despatch cakes across the UK and we have loyal customers living abroad who regularly order cakes for friends and family members living here. Some even take cakes abroad when visiting loved ones which is a real compliment.

Aside from the desire to promote animal charities and sanctuaries, and raising as much as possible for them (I don’t take a wage from the business), the other main passion behind the ‘Cakery is to take vegan cakes mainstream. For far too long, vegans have been required, almost expected, to settle for second, third or even fourth best and that’s ludicrous. Vegan food, when made correctly with the right level of understanding and passion, is as good – no, better – than anything else. Vegans, in the main, don’t just want to live on nut roast and brownies!

We’ve been able to establish a wide and varied cross-section of customers, from all walks of life, whether that be fully committed vegans or so-called ‘hardcore carnivores’! (What does that mean anyway? Humans aren’t carnivores so why people say that really doesn’t make any sense!)

Customers tell me over and over again The Vegan Cakery’s products are as good as any which use animal/dairy ingredients, therefore there is no barrier to non-vegans eating them. They regularly sell to vegans and non-vegans alike where we’re stocked – in a blind taste test nobody would be able to tell the difference. I actually like to say anything from The Vegan Cakery is better than anything ‘regular’ as the products are cruelty-free and that’s so important.

Marc and I are both vegans purely because of the horrors of animal abuse and exploitation. We’re unbelievably passionate about trying to make a difference, I think we’re even more passionate than we might have been about the issue as we were both brought up in families which consume animal products. We both wish we had made the change to veganism sooner in our lives, although the way the internet has opened everything up to people now it’s clear to see the tide is changing and there really is a landslide of opinion now going the way of veganism which is fantastic to see.

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You are a big advocate of animal charities and donate all profits to them – why is this important to you?

It’s more than just profit to be honest, I donate from the total take not just any profit made – so before the cost of ingredients, postage, packaging, insurance, tax etc are taken into account. This often means I donate more than would be considered profit. Some people may not understand, but I really feel The Vegan Cakery and the charity work through that is my purpose in life. Up until starting out on this path, I didn’t realise I didn’t know what my purpose was!

How do you choose the ‘Charity of the Month’?

One of the first things I wanted to do when setting up The Vegan Cakery was to raise as much as possible for a wide variety of charities, with a main focus on one charity which could be promoted on our website, Facebook and Twitter – this became ‘Charity of the Month’ although donations are not limited solely to the featured charity in each given month.

I do like to feature many smaller charities and sanctuaries which a lot of people haven’t heard of, there are so many kind souls out there sacrificing a huge amount to help animals, but I also feature larger charitable organisations too.

With that in mind, we’ve chosen to feature The Vegan Society as ‘Charity of the Month’ for November as it neatly ties-in with its 70th Anniversary, plus there’s a fantastic link with founder Donald Watson – obviously he established the ‘Society in Leicester and we’re based in a village about eight miles from the city.

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Do you think veganism is becoming more popular in Leicester?

Certainly! Cafés such as Café Mbriki, on Carts Lane in the city, have embraced vegan food. As far as I’m aware, it was the first mainstream eatery in Leicester to stock vegan cakes when Maggie, the owner, opted to give The Vegan Cakery a trial. There are more mainstream places bringing out designated vegan menus, and chains which are highlighting vegan options, so that tells its own story. It’s certainly easier to go out and be able to eat a vegan meal now in and around Leicester than when I became vegan.

What advice would you give to someone transitioning to a vegan diet?

Try it, it really isn’t hard and especially in this day and age. With so much information at your fingertips with smart phones, tablets etc there’s absolutely nothing to stop anyone from trying a vegan diet and it isn’t anywhere near as ‘challenging’ as some may have been led to believe. Once you’ve started on the path, you see new things and adapt your ways more and more and compassion and empathy grows hand-in-hand with that. Who wouldn’t want to have more compassion? There are so many health benefits too.

Any big plans for the future?

If we could do more with The Vegan Cakery we would, but there are only so many hours in the day and taking on any staff would mean less money for charity which I wouldn’t be happy with. I am the sole baker, and I also do all of the packaging (for both hand delivery and postal), invoicing, purchasing, website, social media etc. Marc has his own PR business, which is a seven day-a-week job like The Vegan Cakery, but helps out with deliveries and phone calls when he has the time. I don’t know what I’d do without him! We both work extreme hours, but we feel very lucky to be able to do this – it truly is a team effort. One of my main ‘pushes’ in the near future will be my Lemon V’urd…it’s vegan curd but under compositional laws nobody is allowed to refer to a vegan version as ‘curd’ as it doesn’t contain eggs and dairy. I took the step to register V’urd as a national trademark so the intention is to try and take that product to a wider audience…as soon as we have time!

Finally, what are your best sellers, and more importantly, which treats are your favorites?

It really depends on the time of year to be honest and I have such a large product list most customers like to try something new each time they purchase. But saying that, the most frequently re-purchased product would probably be the ‘Big Boost’ Cupcakes.

Favorites to actually eat ourselves are things like Chelsea Buns, Doughnuts and Mince Pies! Although it’s not the prettiest product, Chocolate & Coconut slice is a real favourite here at the moment 🙂

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Description: This set includes a beautiful Once Upon A Dream™ pretty princess figure that has long brushable hair and a removable skirt. She was sold with a royal bed, a soft blanket, a candle stand, and a comb. Designed to be used alone or as accessories with the #4700 Once Upon A Dream™ Palace. Designed for children ages 3 years and older.
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First mares in foal to Americain

Americain’s first mares have been tested in foal at Calumet Farm.

Swettenham Stud’s Melbourne Cup winner is covering his initial northern hemisphere book in Kentucky and his first PPT was from G2 winning mare Raw Gold.

Raw Gold (Rahy – Golden Thatch by Slew o’Gold) won the G2 Landaluce Stakes and LR Althea Stakes at Hollywood Park as a two year-old.  She also claimed the G3 Santa Ynez Stakes, LR Santa Paula Stakes and LR Linda Card Stakes as a three and four year-old at Santa Anita.

“Americain already has 75 mares and, like Raw Gold, there’s lots of stakes winners and dams of stakes winners among them,” Calumet manager Eddie Kane said.  “There are more bookings coming in every week.  Breeders see him in the flesh at the Farm and then send a mare – he’s a real good-looking rooster.

“He’s a son of Dynaformer who was an icon in Kentucky before his death last year.  Americain was one of his best sons and Australian racing is held in high esteem here in the United States.”

Americain is proving just as popular for his first southern book at Swettenham Stud.

“It’s been overwhelming,” Swettenham owner Adam Sangster said.  “We had already accepted a significant number of mares and then we received another 41 bookings during the Melbourne Premier Sale.  His Lifetime Breeding Rights are also fully subscribed.”

Americain (USA) arrives at Swettenham on August 21 and Sangster predicts he will be booked out at a $12,500 (+ gst) service fee well before then.  “He’s a great stallion prospect,” Sangster declared.  “He was a two year-old winner at Chantilly and his 150th Melbourne Cup was one of strongest international fields in history.

“He’s by champion sire Dynaformer and was a superior stayer with a sensational turn of foot.  And everyone knows he’s a magnificent looking individual.  As a matter of fact, Dermot Farrington said he was the best looking stallion among all the shuttle sires in quarantine before they flew out of Australia in December.”

Americain was raced by Melbourne based owners Kevin and Colleen Bamford along with Gerry Ryan and they will also be sending their best mares to him.  At $12,500, he has been priced at a fee that allows breeders to live the dream of racing a Melbourne Cup winner of their own.

For further information and bookings to Americain, contact Adam Sangster (0418 543 633) or business manager Chris Belli (0417 514 552).

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Group 1 Nunthorpe next for The Tin Man

The Tin Man has thrown down the gauntlet to Europe’s sprint division in the lead-up to Group 1 showdowns at York, Haydock and Ascot.

The first-crop son of Equiano (Fr) treated his rivals with contempt while cruising through the field in the G3 Hackwood Stakes (1200m) at Newbury on Saturday.  Settled at the back by Tom Queally, he cut through the pack on the bridle and only had to be nudged out to beat Divine.

“He has to be ridden with confidence,” Queally said.  “He’s a different gear in that form and won as cosy as I’ve ever won a sprint of that calibre.

“He’s very exciting and will be a force to be reckoned with.  I have huge aspirations for him.”

The Tin Man (4g Equiano – Persario by Bishop Of Cashel) won with more ease than the bare margin of a head suggests.  “Tom felt he almost got there too soon,” trainer James Fanshawe explained.  “This horse has got enormous talent with a great turn of foot.

“We came here instead of a start in the July Cup.  He’s had an interrupted preparation and we decided to wait for the big races at the back-end.”

A late-season mission mapped out by connections includes the G1 Nunthorpe Stakes at York (Aug 19) and/or G1 Haydock Sprint Cup (Sept 3) prior to the G1 British Champions Sprint at Ascot (Oct 15)

Bookmakers have promoted The Tin Man to the third-line of Nunthorpe markets at $8.  “I’ve still got Haydock in mind but York is tempting,” Fanshawe added.  “It’s a great race.  Let’s just see how he comes out of today.”

Last year’s Hackwood was won by Equiano colt Strath Burn and he also holds noms for the Nunthorpe and Haydock Sprint.  The Qatar Racing colt will be on trial for those events in the G2 King George Stakes at Goodwood on July 29.

Another Equiano colt with a Group 1 program ahead is Irish youngster Medicine Jack.  A last-start winner of the G2 Railway Stakes, he has entries back at the Curragh for the Phoenix Stakes on August 16 and National Stakes on September 11.

Equiano shuttles to Swettenham Stud for a $13,750 (inc gst) service fee.