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Maximizing Orthotic Success With Basketball Players

By Patrick A. DeHeer, DPM

When a foot and ankle specialist is involved as part of the medical staff for a college or professional basketball team, the demands on injury prevention and rehabilitation are significant. This high level of specialized care in the professional and collegiate setting involves several people, including the players, coaches, trainer, other medical staff and management in professional teams. Since treatment can involve the careers of those associated with the team, there is a certain amount of pressure on the treating physician. With so much at stake, two critical factors play an integral role in injury prevention and rehabilitation. Custom-molded orthoses and proper Achilles stretching therapy are of the utmost importance in overall treatment outcomes. The type of orthotic one emphasizes for the elite basketball player, implementation of orthotic use and proper equinus treatment require a well-orchestrated team approach based on education, communication and regular critical evaluation of the treatment plan. There has been little in the way of independent research on basketball specific orthoses to confirm the value of custom-made devices. Most of the literature to date has focused on running orthoses. What little that has been reported in literature regarding basketball devices has been anecdotal and based on personal experience. Recently, however, new independent research from Duke University Medical Center confirming the importance of orthoses in the elite basketball player has been receiving significant coverage in both the medical literature and media outlets. This recent study by Nancy Major, MD, utilized preseason MRI screenings of 26 elite college basketball players and stressed the use of custom orthoses in injury prevention and rehabilitation.1 The MRI screenings focused on bone marrow edema, specifically edema of the fifth metatarsal. Only one of the 26 players exhibited symptoms clinically at the time of the screening.1 However, out of the 52 feet the researchers examined, 19 (36.5 percent) showed bone marrow edema on MRI screenings. These abnormal findings led to treatment with orthoses and therapy, which led to successful prevention of any further stress-related injury with one noted exception of a player who developed a stress fracture before receiving his orthoses.1 Why Basketball Players Are Especially At Risk Several factors place the elite basketball player at risk regardless of the player’s foot structure and biomechanics. First, consider the movements that occur on a basketball court and the extreme amounts of resulting stress involved. The quick starting and stopping, lateral movements, linear running and sprinting, and jumping all lead to significantly elevated pressure levels on the forefoot and midfoot. The size of basketball players and the type of playing surfaces also play a role in the increased peak pressures occurring in the forefoot and midfoot. As with any type of elite athlete, the amount of time playing and practicing can additionally lead to stress-related injury. Kevin A. Kirby, DPM, has also found this to be true. “Basketball is a side-to-side sport and, as such, requires that the orthoses be constructed specifically to allow the foot to perform its necessary three dimensional motions relative to the floor,” states Dr. Kirby, an Adjunct Associate Professor in the Department of Applied Biomechanics at the California School of Podiatric Medicine at Samuel Merritt College.2 Common lower-extremity injuries with basketball players essentially fall under two types: overuse chronic and stress-related injuries, and acute traumatic injuries. When treating elite basketball players, clinicians often see overuse types of injuries, including Achilles tendonitis, plantar fasciitis, posterior tibial and peroneal tenosynovitis, and metatarsalgia. The stress-related injury of primary concern is a stress fracture, which can be a prelude to a true fracture. This type of injury can lead to a substantial amount of missed playing time and may become career threatening. Another consideration one should examine is the relationship of chronic stress-related injures that may lead to an acute traumatic injury. Pertinent Pearls On Orthotic Selection Before discussing basketball orthoses, one must address the current state of basketball shoes for a realistic evaluation of basketball orthoses styles, materials and modifications. In order to make basketball shoes lighter, manufacturers have made them increasingly narrow and form-fitting, making orthotic fit difficult at best. The standard width of an orthosis is often too wide for today’s basketball shoe. One tip that I have learned over the years is to send the player’s shoes to the lab with the negative cast impressions to have the devices ground to fit the shoe. This makes things go much smoother once the player gets the orthoses. It also removes a potential negative impression in the player’s mind that can doom his or her compliance from the start (see “Secrets To Ensuring Improved Compliance With Orthotics” below). The basics of basketball orthoses come down to ensuring adequate shock absorption and shear force reduction while concurrently achieving some form of hindfoot control and midfoot support. This is certainly a difficult task and often involves a give-and-take approach to the device. Most elite basketball players do not tolerate a rigid device and prefer a softer, more accommodative orthotic. Many biomechanical experts or orthotic gurus may differ with this statement but those who have been involved with professional or collegiate basketball players for any substantial amount of time know this to be true. When I have tried to give an elite basketball player a rigid device, it has been my experience that the orthotic rarely makes it into the player’s shoe. Granted, there have been exceptions to this and the players whom I have encountered over the years who request a rigid device are players with relatively normal biomechanics and have worn custom orthoses for several years. The majority of the players prefer a semi-rigid (ideally) or an accommodative device (most commonly). Getting a player to wear a semi-rigid device that is indicated clinically when he prefers an accommodative orthotic requires a substantial effort from the medical team. This is where education and communication with the player, trainer and other medical staff are essential to the overall outcome. Through years of trial and error, I have found that combining a semi-rigid shell, such as a 1/8-inch to 1/4-inch polypropylene device, with multiple layers of shock absorbing materials, such as ethyl vinyl acetate (EVA) and nylene (nylon covered neoprene), has the best tolerance and acceptance by most players. Graphite can be a substitute for polypropylene. While it offers the advantages of being lighter and thinner, graphite is stiffer and less forgiving than polypropylene. It is essential to make the device full length for basketball. Dr. Kirby emphasizes the importance of a full-length device and top cover materials. “Full-length foot orthoses with vinyl or leather or other shear-resistant topcovers are a requirement to increase top cover durability and to (prohibit) the orthoses (from sliding) within the shoe,” notes Dr. Kirby.2 How Modifications Can Bolster Orthotic Success When using a more flexible type of shell, clinicians may employ several useful modifications in basketball orthotic design in order to provide more midfoot support and hindfoot control. A deep heel seat is very helpful in providing more hindfoot control. One of the first things players typically check when they are handed a device is the softness of the heel. I will use an EVA heel post (or similar material) to add further shock absorption for the tremendous forces that occur at heel contact during playing. However, making too much of a heel lift is contraindicated in the basketball device. As Dr. Kirby states, “Excessive heel contact point thickness (i.e., excessive heel lift) in basketball orthoses is contraindicated since this will raise the height of the subtalar joint axis from the floor and increase the mechanical leverage for ground reaction force to cause inversion ankle injuries in the athlete.”2 An arch fill with an accommodative material also provides more support to the midfoot while absorbing shock and reducing friction. The concern with this addition is the increased thickness to the device, which may make shoe fit all the more difficult. A more recent addition that I have been routinely using is a reverse Morton’s extension made of Korex or Poron. This will not only aid in jumping by helping to engage the peroneal longus tendon but also provides further shock absorption to the forefoot. Metatarsal pads are useful in taking pressure off the metatarsal area and providing more midfoot support. Dr. Kirby has found first ray accommodations to be very helpful in the basketball orthoses. “Forefoot accommodation for plantarflexed first metatarsals is common since plantarflexed first rays are very common among athletes involved in basketball,” he states.2 Additional Tips For Orthotic Management Another very important aspect to the overall outcome of orthotic therapy is to address the individual player’s foot biomechanics and any clinical deformities. From a correction standpoint, I will usually post the forefoot to the cast measurement and the rearfoot to vertical posting. Regarding rearfoot posting, Dr. Kirby cautions, “Excessive varus correction or medial heel skive in basketball orthoses should be avoided to prevent inversion ankle injuries, unless the athlete also has a significant flatfoot deformity with significantly medially deviated subtalar joint axis.”2 Dr. Kirby also relays a point of concern regarding posting and an athlete with a history of chronic lateral ankle sprains. “Athletes with chronic inversion ankle sprains should be treated with orthoses that have a lateral heel skive and forefoot valgus forefoot extensions, and may need additional ‘bracing’ from high-top shoes or ankle taping before each game and practice,” he says.2 Impression techniques are also very important in the fabrication of a custom device. I have tried all types of impression methods and scanning over the years, and have come back to the traditional non-weightbearing, neutral position, suspension casting. One additional technique I have employed that seems to have increased overall outcomes is plantarflexion of the first ray during the impression taking while loading the lateral column. Special Considerations For Dealing With Elite Athletes One must take several considerations into account when treating elite athletes like basketball players. An often overlooked aspect of total care is making a device to be worn during non-playing times. It is important to stress to the player the need for a continuum of care. This is the time for a rigid functional device if indicated. Once an acceptable device is agreed upon and the player wears it, one should keep an adequate supply of devices on hand and monitor the wear of the orthoses being used. Players should replace them on an as-needed basis in order to maintain maximum shock absorption, friction reduction, hindfoot control and midfoot support. Communication is also very important. It can be very difficult to get much information out of elite athletes about their orthoses but their input is very important for adjustments and modifications. Getting them to spend a few minutes discussing their orthoses with the DPM and the trainer can make all the difference in their satisfaction and overall treatment. Secrets To Ensuring Improved Compliance With Orthotics Compliance is another important aspect of orthotic therapy in the elite athlete. This can be very difficult and frustrating for a physician. A common player’s error is a lack of a “break-in” period prior to using orthotics in practice and game situations. The typical scenario is for the player to put a new device in his or her shoe and practice or play in game situations immediately. This results in discomfort or pain from the device. The player then takes the devices out of the shoes and gives up on them altogether. Ensuring an adequate “break-in” period is especially important for players who have never worn a custom-made device as they need an adequate adjustment period. It is crucial to discuss this adjustment period in detail with the player and trainer upon dispensing the orthotic. I like to have the player wear the device for one hour the first day in a gym shoe during normal walking and daily activities. Then one can increase this an hour per day so the player is wearing the devices full time by the eighth day. After the player is wearing the orthoses full time, he or she may start wearing them during shoot-around. Once he or she is comfortable with this, the next step is to wear the orthoses in practice. Wearing the orthotics during the game should be the last step in the process. If the player has worn orthoses previously, then there should be no need for this break-in period unless there has been a significant prescription change. Achilles tendon stretching is crucial for orthotic compliance and overall player satisfaction. It is important to educate the team’s other medical staff on the correct technique of measuring equinus deformity (i.e. locking of the midtarsal joint to gauge ankle joint dorsiflexion accurately with the knee extended and flexed). Team medical personnel routinely stretch elite players. Therefore, in order to achieve adequate equinus reduction, utilizing a night splint becomes practically essential. Compliance is very difficult for several reasons. Elite basketball players travel quite a bit and may forget to bring their night splint with them on a road trip. This is where the help of the trainer, who also travels with the team, becomes crucial. The trainer often carries things such as extra pairs of orthoses, shoes, etc., with him or her and it should be very little trouble to add a night splint. Trainers also have the ability to monitor the player’s use of the night splint while on the road. In Conclusion In summary, clinicians should first know the player’s biomechanics and pathology. Then find an orthotic lab that the DPM, the players and the trainer are comfortable with using. This season, I requested a sample basketball device from several orthotic labs and actually went over each sample with the trainer. Semi-rigid devices with multiple layers of shock absorbing materials should be the goal in most cases. Use modifications as needed for each particular case. Send the shoes with the cast to the lab so the lab’s technicians can ground the devices to fit the shoe. Evaluate and adequately treat equinus deformity. Discuss an adequate break-in period with the player and the trainer. Maintain open lines of communication about the orthoses and the potential need for adjustments. All of these suggestions can potentially increase the overall success of preventative treatment and rehabilitation of the elite basketball player. Dr. DeHeer is a Fellow of the American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons, and is a Diplomate of the American Board of Podiatric Surgery. He is also a team podiatrist for the Indiana Pacers and the Indiana Fever. Dr. DeHeer is in private practice with various offices in Indianapolis.

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Nasarudheen.P. Parameswaran

Rookie - 338 Points (8.8.1952 / Manakad)

A Freedom Talk. - Poem by Nasarudheen.P. Parameswaran

Be not, dear fair, an
depending on kings of
poly-pranks Politics
who desert disciples
as Satan, before God.
Be of principled life
living in Lord's Light.
Free of fear is freedom, dear
free from knots of notes
in snail-paced files that
slip or slither in corruption.
Material, not immaterial actual;
Spiritual culture is though virtual.
Soul and body are we not? So
we need wisdom prayer 'nd food.
Be balanced with both beloved
for growth of worthy life, lovely.
There our freedom fairly glare
where we equals feel so, dear..

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Just Dialogue! - Poem by Neela Nath

(In The Morning.The dialogue of Newly Married Couple)
Husband: Entwined we,
do not want to
lose this bliss.
Wife: Hug me tight
and fill with
caress and kiss.
(In The Morning.The dialogue of couple married 15 years ago)
Husband: Why, didn't you
wake me up?
Again, I'll be late!
Wife: Phew! make breakfast,
for you I gave my life.
This is my ill-fate!

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    After a few more years what would be their dialogue, I wonder! Quite interesting! ! (Report) Reply

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    Hahaha - what is left when the passion is gone, boredom and dissatisfaction! Good one Hari. (Report) Reply

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My Gossipers - Poem by Denise Johnson

What if by chance,

my pencil strokes

had ears, and listened

they whispered to my

fingertips the secrets

I tell my paper

The ring finger told

the palm what pinky heard

from pencil

perhaps on a cold day

our gossipers met up at noon

as we talk, they talk,

word gets out what

index heard from palm

At night you lay

your head down

as hand creeps up to ear

you sleep but hear the rumors

ear can’t bear what’s traveled down

all the way from paper

ear waited all night for mind to awake

to pass along the news

mind won’t believe you didn’t hear it from me

that I possibly could love you

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Single Parent's Elegy! - Poem by nimal dunuhinga

[May have warm words
on a cold evening,
A full Moon on a dark night, And the road downhill
All the way to your door.]-An Irish blessing for the journey

Children smile in the dreams
and I am awake stitching their uniforms.
There are movie tickets next door bachelor gave us
still underneath my pillow and my heart cries
Whether we go there or not?
Altar's oil lamp-wick moves to the wind
And I saw the faintly smile of St.Mary's face.

nimal p.dunuhinga

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A Kind of Villanelle

By Joyce Sutphen b. 1949 Joyce Sutphen
I will have been walking away:
no matter what direction I intended,
at that moment, I will have been walking

Away into the direction that you now say
I have always intended, no matter what my
intention was then, I will have been

Walking away, though it will not be clear
what it was that I was leaving or
even why, it seems that you will say

That always, I was walking away,
intending a direction that was not towards
you, but moving away with every step,

Or, even when I pretended to be walking
towards you, only making the place
for my feet to go backwards,

Away, where I will have been walking,
always away:   intention and direction
unknown, but knowing you will always
say I will have been walking away.

“A Kind of Villanelle” from Coming Back to the Body by Joyce Sutphen. © 2000 by Joyce Sutphen. Used by permission of Joyce Sutphen and the publisher, Holy Cow! Press.

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POET’S REGION U.S., Midwestern

Subjects Relationships, Living, Separation & Divorce

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Joyce Sutphen grew up on a farm in Minnesota. She earned a PhD in Renaissance drama from the University of Minnesota, and has taught British literature and creative writing at Gustavus Adolphus College in Saint Peter, Minnesota. Her first collection of poems, Straight Out of View (1995), won the Barnard Women’s Poets Prize. Subsequent collections include Coming Back to the Body (2000), a Minnesota Book Award finalist, Naming the . . .

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Linger along the garish street;
Above, a hundred shouting signs
Shed down their bright fantastic glow
Upon the merry crowd and lines
Of moving carriages below.
Oh wonderful is Broadway -- only My heart, my heart is lonely.
Desire naked, linked with Passion, Goes trutting by in brazen fashion; From playhouse, cabaret and inn The rainbow lights of Broadway blaze All gay without, all glad within; As in a dream I stand and gaze At Broadway, shining Broadway -- only My heart, my heart is lonely.

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 Hatred and vengence—my eternal portion
Scarce can endure delay of execution—
Wait with impatient readiness to seize my
Soul in a moment.
Damned below Judas; more abhorred than he was, Who for a few pence sold his holy Master! Twice betrayed, Jesus me, the last delinquent, Deems the profanest.
Man disavows, and Deity disowns me: Hell might afford my miseries a shelter; Therefore Hell keeps her ever-hungry mouths all Bolted against me.
Hard lot! encompassed with a thousand dangers; Weary, faint, trembling with a thousand terrors, I'm called, if vanquished, to receive a sentence Worse than Abiram's.
Him the vindictive rod of angry Justice Sent quick and howling to the centre headlong; I, fed with judgment, in a fleshy tomb am Buried above ground.

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A family affair

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A family affair

I am the darker brother
If you are confused
Wait until you see our father
My mother swells well
Too. She is the fairer sex
There are miles to walk
Between her tears and God.

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Beauty Pageant

God made the flowers
To compete with your beauty
But they always lose

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  1. Date: 7/16/2012 6:37:00 PM
    Great job, Larry. Enjoyed. Ralph

  1. Date: 7/12/2012 1:00:00 PM
    I have enjoyed reading your wonderful poetry today Larry. I look forward to reading more of it as time permits. Love, Carol

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    Ah, this makes me smile. Very sweet.

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    Larry nice haiku..but more of a senryu..I like it though..David


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Close your eyes
       Open your heart
See the beauty
        Of the beast
For it is what is within
        That will amaze you
See not his hand
Feel his touch
Look into his eyes
          Know his heart and soul
Now you know there is more to him
          Then meets the eyes
Beauty within;There it lies

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    Nice lines

  1. Date: 8/3/2012 1:48:00 AM
    beautiful write! enjoyed it all! we all tend to look for the outward appearance and define that as beauty but beauty is within. you've captured that message here, thank you. =Juli-Michelle=

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    Thank you for all your comments on my writtings but alas the time of love has pass me by.I look around and it seems love nolong exist


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it was already dark outside silence had totally ruined the night only my lampshade in my room was at my side trying to comfort me in all my sorrows and trembling fear inside as soft tick-tocks of the clock were heard my heartbeat increased its rate I asked, “Are they reckoning that few time for him has already been left?” I began to feel, I was already in abyss of despair the phone had rung for the second time my mom and aunt once again were at the other end of the line thunder storms blasted followed by a torrent of rain when they asked me to talk to my dad to finally say goodbye to him I tried to talk to him but he could no longer answer me despite the silence at the other end I didn’t stop begging him I cried and cried out so hard as the darkest moment started creeping through my veins until my aunt answered the phone in lieu of him begging me back to let him go, so as to release him from all the pains to say the word goodbye to my dearest dad was the hardest thing to do in my whole life it had totally broken my heart and seemed as if I was losing my mind so, I kept crying out and begging him to fight he’s miles away and I couldn’t just reach him out or to be right there on his side I knew he can hear me, so I kept reminding him about what I’ve promised when I went back home to spend a short time and took care of him I’d promised that I’ll fly right back home after my work to take care of him again and walk him out of the door together we supposed to walk around our house with his arms on my shoulders my aunt begged me for the last time to finally free him it was against my will but I decided to do what was best for him when he was finally gone, I unconsciously screamed alone in my room miles away from home, I was in deep pain I felt like I was totally engulfed by the darkest of the night I rolled my body on bed, crying out loud and hugging my pillows so tight wishing someone had to put me into trance, so I closed my eyes while in prayer, I imagined him waving goodbye as he finally went up there through the brightest light
Feb. 23,2013 ©2013by Leonora Galinta Second Place Contest: New Poem Judged: 2/24/13 Poet Sponsor: Poet Linda/PD

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  1. Date: 3/3/2013 12:13:00 AM
    Leonora, stopping by this splendid poem of yours again to say hello to you and hope you have a great Sunday. Luv, Andrea

  1. Date: 2/28/2013 1:40:00 PM
    Congrats on this excellent poem and win, Leonora!

  1. Date: 2/26/2013 2:40:00 PM
    Congrats on your win Leonora, have a blessed evening, peace debra

  1. Date: 2/26/2013 12:05:00 PM
    Leonora, your poem is so sorrowful and filled with emotion. Congrats on your win! Love, Kim

  1. Date: 2/26/2013 10:57:00 AM
    Many congratulations on your win Leo luv ,super to see you here xx

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 4:36:00 PM
    Lenora this is such a heart wrenching poem but at the same time shows how much love is felt in your family which is just wonderful....there is a place in the Bible that says the just are called home to escape evil because they are loved by God. It has always been a comfort to me...blessings...

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 3:50:00 PM
    wow~ I love your deep win Leonora. excellent~SKAT

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 2:50:00 PM
    Nice to read your winning work. But so sorry too! Congrad's Light & Love

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 2:50:00 PM
    well, good, you got it into another contest because I see you are getting congrats for it. AWESOME.

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 8:38:00 AM
    This is so powerful and such a release of emotion, I pray you will find more peace as each day passes in memories of what you shared in good times Leonora.

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 7:04:00 AM
    This is just wonderful, Leonora...congrats!

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 4:44:00 AM
    Thanks for sharing this. It really touches me because Iost both of my parents when I was young. The comfort is I know I will be with them again one day.

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 3:44:00 AM
    very strong poem, made me shed a tear, life can be so hard, you really communicated the terror and pain of losing a loved one

  1. Date: 2/25/2013 3:10:00 AM
    A very good poem to send to the contest and you won! - Congratulations! - Have a lovely new week! - oxox / / Anne-Lise :)

  1. Date: 2/24/2013 11:59:00 PM
    Lenora, it's hard to let go...but, God never gives us more than we can handle. Instead, hold those special memories and find comfort in the time you spent together. Keep writing....about him. Friends, RAY

  1. Date: 2/24/2013 11:00:00 PM
    beautifully sad my dearest friend, I'm teary-eyed..all your emotions are there...Congratulations on your win. but It's not only winning the contest but your greatest love for your father is proud of you dear...hugs from me, Maria

  1. Date: 2/24/2013 9:25:00 PM
    Hi Leo, sweet sis-ie of mine, thank you for SUPPORTING MY NEWEST contest...CONGRATULATIONS on your awesome win ;-) I'm finally done grading all the contest I had on hold. Your poem is very sad, and heartfelt... your the best... always & forever LINDA

  1. Date: 2/24/2013 5:24:00 PM
    oh my gosh, how terrible for you not to be there, Leonora, you loved him so much and I can sense your intense pain in this very heartfelt poem of yours. Glad to see you posted something new, but sad that this is the day of the year he had died. Was it a short time ago,Dear? Or did he pass away a long time ago. Just wanted to stop by today and say hi. Luv, Andrea

  1. Date: 2/24/2013 3:13:00 PM
    This is a tremendously wonderful write my friend! I really loved reading this amazing poem this afternoon! What a remarkably spectacular piece, Great Work!!

  1. Date: 2/24/2013 2:24:00 PM
    You make me cry ...... so touching and sad Leonora! - My mother died unexpectedly and so quickly that no one got to say goodbye, and it hurts to think about. - You have a sad poem here, but it is also very beautiful written. - Good luck in the contest, I hope it will stand on top of the winner list. - Wishing you a wonderful new week, my dear friend. - Love to you. - oxox / / Anne-Lise :)


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Deceit: Verse 4

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Deceit: Verse 4

The first day I met you,

My heart went haywire.

The first day I kissed you,

My soul caught on fire.

You're beauty is amazing,

Your smile fantastic.

But looking back now,

I know it was all plastic.

Fake as can be,

Everything that you're not.

The web you have weaved,

In which I am caught.

You're seemingly pure.

Your "love" is serene.

But I'm starting to realize,

You're not what you seem.

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Happy Holidays

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Happy Holidays

H opes of great joy to all
A lways upon other families we call
P leased to share what we have with others
P laying children warm the hearts of all today
Y elling and laughter so happy what can we say

H appy thoughts as we remember days gone by
O ld folks telling others family stories oh my
L aughter ringing out thoughout the day
I' d have been a fool if I had not visited today
D eck The Halls one among the many songs being sung
A lways in the hearts of all today is baby Jesus
Y ou can feel the love for one another always
S inging praises to and about Jesus as we wish all "Happy Holidays"

Holiday Acrostic Challenge for Francine Roberts
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  1. Date: 1/16/2012 10:54:00 PM
    a wonderful acrostic... enjoyed..MISS CAROL~~~ always,..p.d.

  1. Date: 1/16/2012 3:16:00 PM
    A perfect winner CONGRAD's Light & Love

  1. Date: 1/16/2012 6:23:00 AM
    A really different poem.!:) lovely concept.. Will look forward to read more of your poetry.

  1. Date: 1/11/2012 9:34:00 AM
    Excellent Carol and thanks for bringing Jesus into the picture as He should be

  1. Date: 1/11/2012 6:26:00 AM
    That is a awesome poem Carol! I truely enjoyed it. Most of my poetry is on booksie. P laying children warm all the hearts today Could be changed on the 4th verse so you don't have the same verse in: A lways in the hearts of all today is baby Jesus Just a thought.

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  1. Date: 1/10/2012 7:30:00 AM
    Happy Holidays to you toooo Carol!! Lovely poem. Love throughout the year full of inspirations and light.

  1. Date: 1/9/2012 6:26:00 PM
    Nicely done Carol. And May The Blessings Of Our Lord Be With You Throughout The Year. God Bless, JB

  1. Date: 1/9/2012 1:18:00 PM
    Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year! Yes! It's me! I'm back! And this time I'm back for good!....Milt

  1. Date: 1/9/2012 3:00:00 AM
    congrats on ur win Carol. More shall come ur way this year. Thanks for your comments.

  1. Date: 1/9/2012 12:44:00 AM
    It is truly a winning piece Carol. Nice acrostic poem for the holidays. Your nice comments are always an inspiration. I will follow you in PS. Love Dalila

  1. Date: 1/8/2012 4:01:00 AM
    wow such a wounderful piece of literarure.keep up de good work.

  1. Date: 1/8/2012 12:38:00 AM
    at fest i ddnt get it, but after readin it holidays indeed. marvelous structuring of words, warm embrace nd its for all ages....thanx fo the wondaful poem

  1. Date: 1/7/2012 4:55:00 PM
    Quite apart from general enjoyment of your write here Carol,, i feel as if it includes me in the theme as i suppose must others..) here's wishing you all the best in that contest...

  1. Date: 1/7/2012 4:30:00 PM
    Thanks for your wishes, faithful old friend, and right back atcha. LOve, daver

  1. Date: 1/7/2012 3:02:00 PM
    Hope you had a wonderful holiday Carol. I love coming to Poetry Soup and reading your wonderful words.

  1. Date: 1/7/2012 12:06:00 PM
    Very nice..........George

  1. Date: 1/6/2012 7:59:00 AM
    thankxxx Carol my friend for warm congrats and for wins from u .. getting back very slowly but surely with prayers and support and luv from great friends like u... wonderful sentiments in this piece.. wishing u a blessed 2012 ..

  1. Date: 1/6/2012 7:58:00 AM
    Thanks so much for my lovely comments Carol luv...I do hope your resting and not over doing it? xxx


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I Wish

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I Wish

I had a wife!!!

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  1. Date: 2/21/2015 5:36:00 AM
    Teeming with life

  1. Date: 12/30/2011 3:29:00 AM
    You do..! i think you are mistaken nancy..) 'specially if you expect this person to be doing all the too'ing and fro'ing e t c.. e t c i've heard they are all different these days (ha ha) although they still look like the "early models" there are design faults even..! they say equality is what they need.) yet one wanted me to give up my seat on a bus and another to open shop doors,, just joking...! no i still think the world of y'aall..

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  1. Date: 12/29/2011 1:22:00 PM
    I wish my wife had one.

  1. Date: 12/29/2011 5:50:00 AM
    DITTO!!!! Used to say this all the time. So God says to Adam, "Looks like you need some help and company. Here ya go!" And God says to Eve? Ummm??? Errr???? Shoot, sorry Kiddo, you're outa luck. Girl up! Happy Holidays, Lady... gotta run

  1. Date: 12/28/2011 10:03:00 PM
    They are so loving aren't they? :o)

  1. Date: 12/28/2011 9:57:00 PM
    So Nancy...Is this a pro-gay marriage poem? Or do you just not want to do the dishes? :)

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    go figure :D


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Ode to Linda-Marie the Sweetheart of PoetrySoup

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Ode to Linda-Marie the Sweetheart of PoetrySoup

A "Flame once burned
A Bundle of Joy
Dramatic Moments
Destine to Love
Memoirs of Legacy
Draped in Moondust
Tasteing Bliss
Sweet taste of Love
A Spiritual Soljourn
An Enchanted Voyage
Along Love Avenue

Rewind one moment
Engage in Love and Marriage
In a Tipsy Frame of mind
Watching and Waiting
What Dreams are made of
When I Think of You
You are a Rose in my Bouquet
Dream Weaver Damsel
Fashioned by Fate

Life is an Adventure
Happines and Hurt
Spiritual Essence
Collaborating in the Clouds
Intimate Inspirations
My Heart Weeps
Velvet Lipps
Misty Moments of Lost Love
Time Heals all Wounds
A Breath of Love to Stand on
Streams of Silence
A Season Finale

( A poem made from a few of Linda's titles I tried to piece together to make some kind of poem to
dedicate to her. We miss her presence and presently are not aware of her condition at this time.
But for the soupers that knew Linda as a dedicated member of our group, I offer this poem as a
show of love for our absent member. Where ever she is she is not forgoten.)

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  1. Date: 2/15/2014 5:25:00 PM
    Well put together John, congrats..'

  1. Date: 2/15/2014 11:21:00 AM
    Congrats on the win John.Great tribute.

  1. Date: 2/15/2014 4:45:00 AM
    Lovely tributes paid to Linda Marie and congrats on the win, john

  1. Date: 2/15/2014 12:20:00 AM
    Hello John, a wonderful tribute Remembering Linda-Marie: *Our Forever Sweetheart" ~SKAT~

  1. Date: 2/15/2014 12:17:00 AM
    hey, that is so interesting how you wove together titles of her own poems. Thanks for doing that, john. What a lovely tribute.

  1. Date: 1/28/2014 1:12:00 PM
    Thanks for sharing this beautiful poem, She will be missed. As it has been said- God always taks the best... Lucilla

  1. Date: 1/27/2014 10:30:00 AM
    Recently learned that Linda Marie passed away December 31 2013.

  1. Date: 1/11/2014 9:24:00 PM
    This is beautiful John and I am sure that she will be very happy to know that she is not forgotten. Thanks for sharing. Blessings... Lucilla

  1. Date: 12/14/2013 3:56:00 AM
    This is a very beautiful and sweet dedication to our very dear friend Linda M my dear friend John. I hope she'll peek at soup sometimes so that she can read this super lovely poem of yours. She is truly missed by us. There are times that she comes in my thoughts and I always hope & pray that she's doing safe & fine. TYSM for sharing this very lovely & thoughtful poem of yours my dear friend. TYSM as well for stopping by my work. love lots and big hugs, Leonora

  1. Date: 12/14/2013 1:23:00 AM
    a very thoughtful poem for her. I truly fear for what may have happened to her, john. Please let me know if you hear anything, will you? Not even her best friends have heard a thing.

  1. Date: 12/6/2013 10:15:00 PM
    This is lovely and thoughtful John...very kind...

  1. Date: 11/28/2013 6:19:00 AM
    Nicely done, John! Thanks for stopping by, you are correct! One has to be in the mood for spam! Happy Thanksgiving! Jimbo


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True Writing

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True Writing

a spelling error bites like a snake
I could write without a mistake

pay attention to detail
I’m not going to fail

writing I will do
poetry makes it true

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  1. Date: 2/11/2013 4:30:00 PM
    A wonderful poem, Robert I think you strike-d well with the poem... good to know you are not about failing. ..Linda

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    Thank you Linda. Sometimes those errors have a way of sneaking up on you.
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    cute one on writing. I think a spelling error could be like a snake bite if you were trying to write for something very important!! I just hate typos I make.


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To all you geeks out there, I just wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas, or Happy Holidays if you’re partial to other festivities. We all know that Christmas is all about receiving presents and being with loved ones, so I hope everyone gets what they want. Just don’t forget, it’s also a time to give. So if you’re a rich bastard, give something to someone!

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Hi, I’m The Poker Jerk. I’m better than you at everything, especially poker. As someone who makes a living playing online poker 15-20 tables at a time, I think you’ll agree that I rule. If not, you just don’t know me well enough – Yet.

That’s why I decided to start this poker blog. To share the wealth of information that resides in my beautiful head. I’ll be talking about poker strategies, news, poker room reviews, and offering great bonus codes so you can get some free money to lose to me.

Let’s get things straight first of all. I’m a jerk. A real asshole (I could have called this site “The Poker Asshole” but that just sounds perverse). I pull no punches, and don’t hold back on sharing exactly what I am thinking, good or bad. This is because I know I am better than everyone at just about everything. If you can’t take it, go cry to your momma. If you can, you will learn to be like me – smart and successful (sorry I can’t help you with your looks).

For those people, stick around and enjoy the site. You will be a better person because of it (but not better than me).

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  • Buddy is The Poker Jerk’s dog. He is loyal to the end, and will never leave him. But Buddy is dumb, and farts a lot.
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  • Orlando, Florida: A police officer was arrested for the second time this year on charges of domestic violence. Apopka, FL police said they arrested him  on a battery charge after he broke into his girlfriend’s home, beat her up and spit on her.
  • Colorado Springs, Colorado: A now-former officer was found guilty on dozens of counts related to molesting boys at a middle school. He was found guilty on 34 counts of sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust, 12 counts of unlawful sexual contact, 22 counts of child enticement and three counts of sexual exploitation.
  • Update: Milan, Tennessee: An officer has been suspended on 24 counts of sexual misconduct. He was indicted on 18 counts of rape, one count of incest, one count of aggravated sexual battery, one count of sexual battery by an authority figure and three counts of sexual battery.
  • Coral Springs, Florida: A veteran police officer who misplaced ammunition and then lied about it has been suspended for five weeks without pay.
  • Bedford County, Virginia: An officer drove the wrong way down a road for eleven miles, and then led police on a chase before hitting a police car. He will spend four months in jail for eluding police and driving while intoxicated.
  • Pantego, Texas: A woman is suing police officers after she says the excessive force used against her caused her breast implants to rupture. Her attorney says that she has had several surgeries from health complications stemming from the excessive force.
  • Norwood, Ohio: A police officer pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor and resigned after an investigation into an arrest. He was accused of shoving a handcuffed woman across a room into a wall;  she suffered injuries as a result.
  • Albuquerque, New Mexico: An officer was sentenced to more than four years in prison for sexually abusing a woman in his custody. He will also have three years of supervised release after prison time, and has been banned from serving in law enforcement.
  • Update: Saginaw, Michigan: A disgraced, former police officer was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the strangulation death of his pregnant girlfriend that was intended to appear as a suicide.

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    - Sen. Chris Dodd, on House-Senate conference approval of financial reform, June 2010

    “Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.”

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    So let me get this straight. Just like health care, Democrats are trumpeting passing major legislation on a purely partisan basis that is chock full of unintended consequences. And they admit they don’t have a clue how all the moving parts will work.

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THE FIGHT FOR FLORIDA’S 13th: POLITICO’s Alex Isenstadt reports from on the ground in the House race everyone’s focusing on right now: “Unfolding in one of the few remaining competitive House districts, the contest has become a proxy battle among the national parties for bragging rights heading into the November midterm election. … Each passing day leading up to the March 11 election brings fresh evidence of how badly each side wants a win. Vice President Joe Biden went to Florida on Wednesday to raise money for [Democrat Alex] Sink — a rare foray by the White House into a single House election. Both national parties, plus an array of outside groups, have combined to spend an eye-popping $6 million on TV ads, a figure that’s poised to soar over the next four weeks. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio campaigned with [Republican David] Jolly on Monday, and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is slated to fundraise for him on Friday. But the intense national interest also reflects a tightening race. At the outset, Sink, boosted by her high name ID and prodigious fundraising, was seen as the clear front-runner. But with recent polls showing the race closing, Democrats aren’t nearly as confident as they once were, and Republicans aren’t nearly as pessimistic.”

FIRST IN SCORE—POLL FINDS MCCONNELL, GRIMES IN DEAD HEAT: Add another poll to the list of those showing a close race in Kentucky. This survey, from GOP polling firm Wenzel Strategies, finds Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell leading Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes by just 1 point, 43 percent to 42 percent—well within the margin of error. (Wenzel Strategies, which polls for Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, isn’t affiliated with McConnell or the Senate campaign.) Still, McConnell leads his primary challenger, businessman Matt Bevin, 59 percent to 17 percent. These numbers are fairly consistent with other polling in the race, all of which has shown a close race between McConnell and Grimes and a big gap between McConnell and Bevin in the primary—a recent poll from the Courier-Journal had Grimes up 4 points. That said, McConnell’s favorables are slightly higher in the Wenzel poll than they’ve been in other recent ones: 50 percent view him favorably, compared with 47 percent who view him unfavorably. Grimes has a 43 percent favorable and 36 percent unfavorable rating in the poll. Polling memo: and full results:

EXCLUSIVE—EMILY’S LIST ENDORSES THREE NEW HOUSE CANDIDATES: EMILY’s List, the pro-Democratic women’s group, is throwing its full support behind three female House candidates running in open-seat races this morning: Aimee Belgard in NJ-03, running for retiring GOP Rep. Jon Runyan’s seat; Brenda Lawrence in MI-14, running for Democratic Rep. Gary Peters’s seat (he’s vacating it to run for Senate) and Kathleen Rice in retiring Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s district in NY-04. “These three impressive leaders are stepping up to the plate to run for open congressional seats at a time when our country needs women’s leadership more than ever,” said Stephanie Schriock, president of EMILY’s List.

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MILLER RETIREMENT GIVES DEMS AN EDGE IN CA-31: California GOP Rep. Gary Miller has long been near the top of national Democrats’ target lists for 2014—and with the news Wednesday that he’ll retire, his seat automatically becomes one of Democrats’ best pickup chances. The district voted for President Obama by 16 points in 2012, and Democrats have a registration advantage there. It’s unclear right now who will run on the GOP side, but Democrats already have four candidates: Redlands Mayor Pete Aguilar (backed by the DCCC), attorney Eloise Gomez Reyes (backed by EMILY’s List), former Rep. Joe Baca and San Bernardino school board member Danny Tillman. Per the LA Times, Miller is the fifth California congressman to call it quits this year.

HILLARY’S TO-DO LIST: POLITICO’s John F. Harris and Maggie Haberman on the challenges for Hillary Clinton: “At first blush, the world’s most famous woman projects an air of invincibility. And yet: An avalanche of coverage prompted by the relatively obscure Washington Free Beacon — which scored an impressive scoop by exploring a cache of papers with a mix of gossipy and revealing insights into her personality and marriage in the 1990s — highlighted a Clinton paradox. Her ability to dominate the national political conversation is nearly as much liability as asset, since the obsessive interest about her character, her past, and her future intentions leaves her acutely vulnerable to publicity storms that can hijack her public image and swamp her plans to carefully manage her reentry into public life.”

SCORE PREVIEW—VIRGINIA GOP LAUNCHES WARNER ATTACK SITE: Now that the race between Democratic Sen. Mark Warner and former RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie is fully underway, the Republican Party of Virginia is going on the attack against Warner. Its new website,, seeks to highlight the incumbent senator’s record on key issues in the campaign. The first one it tackles is Obamacare, an issue Gillespie himself raised in his campaign announcement video last month. This race remains an uphill one for Republicans, but now that they’ve got a solid candidate they’re looking to give Warner a real fight.

SNEAK PEEK—NEW ENDORSEMENT FOR GREUEL: Former L.A. Controller Wendy Greuel, one of the Democratic candidates running for retiring Rep. Henry Waxman’s seat, is getting the backing of former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros, Score has learned. Others who have backed Greuel include EMILY’s List, former L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, film director Rob Reiner and state Attorney General Kamala Harris. Greuel is battling against fellow Democrat Ted Lieu, a state senator, for endorsements in the race.

WALKER—‘I SUPPORT’ CHRISTIE: It’s been a tough year so far for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie thanks to the Bridgegate scandal, but at least Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is still on his side. POLITICO’s Rachael Bade reports from Madison, Wis.: “‘He told me the same thing in private that he did to the press in New Jersey, and I have every reason to believe that the information he said is consistent with the truth, and so I still support him in his role as governor and his role in the RGA,’ Walker said at an economic conference here. … Walker said his support for Christie is steadfast, but he added that if something came out linking Christie to the scandal personally, ‘I’d have to reassess that.’”

ANOTHER GRANITE STATE PILGRIMAGE: Texas Sen. Ted Cruz will join Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and other Republicans at the Citizens United/Americans for Prosperity Freedom Summit in Manchester on April 12.

LIGHTER CLICK—The Republican National Committee is out with its annual political-themed Valentines. Some examples: a picture of Obama with one that says, “If you like this Valentine, you can keep it,” and one featuring Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid saying, “Can we take this to the nuclear level?”

ACROSS THE MAP—Quick takes from races around the country:

-AR-Sen, NC-Sen: The Democratic group Patriot Majority USA is going up with a negative ad against GOP Rep. Tom Cotton in Arkansas ( and against GOP state House Speaker Thom Tillis in North Carolina (

-LA-Sen: An ad by Americans for Prosperity, which will air over the next three weeks, hits Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu on the Affordable Care Act. But per ABC News, the “Louisiana families” in the ad are paid actors:

-KS-Sen: A new radio ad by conservative primary challenger Milton Wolf raises the issue of incumbent GOP Sen. Pat Roberts’s Kansas residency.

-KY-Sen: GOP primary challenger Matt Bevin and the Senate Conservatives Fund hit Sen. Mitch McConnell via Twitter for his vote on raising the debt ceiling.

-MT-Sen: John Walsh, the Democrat appointed to replace Sen. Max Baucus, released an ad called "Honor," which emphasizes his military service, in response to Republican attacks on him.

-NRCC: In honor of the Democratic retreat this week, the NRCC is out with a web video saying that Democrats are both “on retreat” and “in retreat” for 2014:

-MI-03: AFP will go on the air with $230,000 worth of ads boosting GOP Rep. Justin Amash in his primary: (See the ad:

-CA-52: Carl DeMaio, an openly gay GOP candidate, released an ad featuring a rainbow flag and his partner Johnathan Hale, labeling himself a “new generation Republican.”

-VA-10: GOP state Del. Bob Marshall has entered the primary race for the open seat.

-AL-01: Mobile Realtor Burton LeFlore, a Democrat, will challenge newly elected GOP Rep. Bradley Byrne. However, now that the filing deadline has passed, it’s clear Byrne won’t have a primary challenger.

-WI-Gov: The Republican Governors Association will go on the air next week with a six-figure buy hitting Democratic candidate Mary Burke.

-IL-Gov: Republican Bruce Rauner's campaign released an ad pushing back against "false attacks" from "[Democratic Gov.] Pat Quinn's allies and the Springfield insiders."

-NE-Gov: Nebraska state auditor Mike Foley entered the gubernatorial race, joining a crowded field in the GOP primary.

-TX-Gov: Democrat Wendy Davis said she would support a 20-week abortion ban if it were written to give deference to a woman and her doctor.

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While it’s not clear what Michigan’s congressional map will look like after redistricting, Republicans and Democrats can agree on one thing: The outlook doesn’t look good for Rep. Gary Peters, the two-term Democrat.

Peters’s problem is that the state is slated to lose one congressional seat and, for reasons of location, demography and seniority — not to mention GOP control of the levers of redistricting — he’s the congressman most likely to be squeezed by the final plan. One frequently mentioned prospect is that his southeastern Michigan-based district could be merged with that of another Democratic incumbent — perhaps 15-term Rep. Sander Levin, the top Democrat on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.

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“When you look at the map and look at the population loss and who’s drawing the lines, I think Gary Peters and Sandy Levin are probably in the eye of the storm,” said Bernie Porn, a longtime Lansing-based independent pollster. “I would think that it’s almost automatic.”

Peters has told friends privately that he will run for election in 2012 — for which office, he doesn’t know. He has said he’s planning to run for the House and hasn’t ruled out running in a primary against a fellow Democratic incumbent.

Over the past several weeks, the speculation in Michigan political circles has been that Peters could be eyeing a run for Oakland County executive, a highly visible and influential post that would allow the 52-year-old former state lottery commissioner to build his profile as he positions himself for a future run for statewide office.

In early February, Peters attended Republican County Executive L. Brooks Patterson’s annual State of the County address — and the next morning slammed Patterson in an interview with the editorial board of the Oakland County Press over his remarks.

“I had to smile a little bit because it seems like he’s talking from both sides of his mouth on some of these issues,” Peters told the newspaper, accusing Patterson of hypocritically highlighting the success of federal stimulus-funded projects after initially blasting the stimulus package.

Patterson told POLITICO that he took Peters’s attendance at the speech — to which he said Peters hadn’t been invited — as an early indication that the Democrat planned to wage a 2012 campaign for the position.

“I think his motives are pretty simple,” the 72-year-old Patterson said in an interview. “He wants another taxpayer-funded job if he loses his seat in Congress.”

Patterson, a powerful player in southeast Michigan who has spent 19 years as county executive, went on to accuse Peters of disrespecting him, saying that the Democrat took full advantage of his hospitality at a post-speech private reception that Patterson paid for himself.

Democrats close to Peters said the congressman isn’t yet gearing up to run against Patterson, but they said a run for the executive position would present an attractive alternative to running in a primary against another House Democrat — particularly the influential and well-funded Levin. One major upside for Peters, friends said, is Oakland County’s favorable political trend lines: Once a suburban GOP stronghold, the county provided narrow margins for Democrats in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections and broke sharply for Barack Obama in 2008.

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With a little more than a month until the election and the first of the presidential debates this week, campaigns are entering the final phase. But while it might feel like the beginning of the end for those of us engaged in political campaigns, for many voters across the country, this is where they finally start thinking about whom they will vote for. That is why I am confident about our Republican prospects for this November.

Take a look at the fundamentals in this election. Unemployment nationally has been stuck at over 8 percent for 43 consecutive months, our debt has skyrocketed past $16 trillion because of the Democrats’ reckless spending and, as last week’s gross domestic product figures showed, growth remains extremely weak. Added to this, middle-class incomes are lower than they were four years ago, while gas prices, college tuition fees and worker health insurance costs are up. Some politicians seem to forget that these are not just numbers on a page; they represent the difficult times middle-class families in America are experiencing.

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The president and the Democratic leadership want to evade responsibility, but there is no place for them to hide. Voters’ everyday lives are simply harder than they were before, and Democrats are directly to blame for that.

The high tax, high spend economy is a Democrat construct, and this has hurt their election chances — even in historically safe Democratic areas. And senators like Jon Tester, Bill Nelson and Sherrod Brown have not stayed true to their 2006 campaign promises to act as bipartisan representatives and put people first. These men, along with their Democratic colleagues and candidates, have continually sided with President Barack Obama and backed his failed policies.

One of the largest stains on the Senate Democrats’ voting record is the $800-plus billion stimulus package that failed to create American jobs or assist the economy in its recovery. While Senate Democrats led their constituencies to believe such a large waste of taxpayer money was crucial to the future of the economy, the results show this was a critical miscalculation. Voters will remember their words of reassurance — and their votes.

Further, Senate Democrats have routinely blocked common-sense efforts such as the Keystone XL pipeline that would create jobs in the short term while helping to grow America’s energy independence in the long term.

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