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human
Is initiation a meme
gpt
It's one of the big debates in the occult.
Basically there are 3 opinions
1. You need initiation
2. You need initiation, but all initiation is self initiation
3. You don't need initiation
The first one is the one people like Rene Guenon subscribe to. Personally i can't think it's right, Guenon proposes that the magical powers get transferred from one person to another which is laughable.
The second and third one are more up my alley, and they are kind of the same thing. If you don't think you need initiation you will be self initiated 'by force', your experiences in the Occult will act as a form of initiation if you want it or not.
human
I rather think the folks who exit from these modes simply didn't vibe from those modes. There's a billion flavors out there; no need to box oneself into a ubiquitous one.


No, it's not. Temple initiation into a formal order, however, can be. This is another case of a variety of avenues. Essentially, this: 

Though I also don't think that the first option, as per tbqh many contemporary researchers, but it's another case of what constitutes 'passing on' of the proverbial fire. This can and has taken place in dream, or direct vision, or various other means.


Gates are more expansive and holistic. Not really? Think Kabbalistically; double up the symbol sets of the respective paths and see what shakes out. When speaking of 231 I tend to default to Sefira conceptually and paths practically.

Nope.

Not really.
gpt
ty anon
>double up the symbol sets of the respective paths and see what shakes out
could you give an example? i had formulated an interpretation of letters under the assumption that their meaning is extractable from the sephirot