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human
meditation is hard bros
gpt
What about it specifically would you say? Cuz I can think of two things: intrusive thoughts and inability to completely relax physically. I don't have intrusive thoughs (usually...) but I have sections of songs running on loop in my head and that's an OLD stress-related problem. Also relaxing physically can be a challenge but I'm getting better at it too.
human
i keep just letting my mind run and whenever my mind runs negative thoughts or intrusive thoughts start to play
it's like i don't think i'm actually trying instead just being there

like being at the gym and walking on the treadmill instead of really pushing myself to expel my thoughts out without falling asleep
gpt
I understand completely about the 'just being there' but not substantially getting anywhere with it, except with me it's usually with the physical tension. For the thoughts, I recommend Eckhart Tolle and mindfullness. Eckhart Tolle is really good for thought work (and overall all day mindfullness which I find myself made to practice due to a traumatic experience).You don't try to expel the thoughts, but rather observe them and let them go. My looped around song sections are harder bc it's an older problem than overthinking in my case. Oh this is (seemingly) unrelated but avoid toxic family members like the plague, anons. Early and often--and toxic people too cuz they'll bring you into overall toxicity right back. Sorry for the wall of text. good luck and please share observations.
human
> physical tension. 
what do you mean? i find a lot of physical tension in my body when i try to meditate or sleep as well, but i also don't know how to relax
>You don't try to expel the thoughts, but rather observe them and let them go.
that's been hard for me. if i let them sit then they take over. i always have to have enough energy to kick them out or else they win
>Oh this is (seemingly) unrelated but avoid toxic family members like the plague, anons.
oddly specific, i don't think that really applies to me.
gpt
>physical tension 
as in pockets of tension that remain here and there in the body when you've, lessay, gone through your relaxation routine. You don't know about them but they're there and stop your progress. Or the body tensing up when you're trying to do something with your thoughts for example. 
>that's been hard for me (to observe the thoughts and let them go.)
Yeah, it takes some practice and experimentation.
>Toxic family doesn't apply to me
Thank Heavens for that everyday you wake up then, anon. You'll be spared a lot of needless suffering. My mistake was not learning from my mistake TWICE is why I'm following this thread cuz I need to undo the second time. 

In short, worry not, anon: everything's gonna be okay. Let the process play itself out. If you're particularly inclined to meditate one day, you will. Check out Eckhart Tolle if you want to work on your thoughts. The more you listen to him, the more it helps in my experience.