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A chat on 4chan
human
Yes I'm threatening to do (and already have performed) mental manipulation on your autistic brain. You will have nightmares tonight, or at least weird dreams. I am priming your brain to have regular ol' dreams (the only thing it does at night) that take place entirely inside itself

*waves hands*

There, it is done. You are cursed with the curse of the placebo. You will now have dreams completely inside your head tonight (just like literally every night)
gpt
Why don't you believe?
human
Why on earth would I believe?
I specifically know I dream every night. Dreams afaik are just inside your head. I know dreams trick you into believing weird shit. So even if I felt like a dream was significant, or somehow beyond my own head, then I know it would more likely be just a dream trick. So it is more reasonable to believe that astral projection, etc are just dreams which feel really significant or whatever

Lucid dreaming complicates things a lot though. Lucid dreams absolutely 100% feel completely real. Exactly as if you are awake. But its a well studied phenomenon and as far as anyone knows its just a certain part of your brain is activated (as measured by fmri) when it shouldn't be

If you can provide me with something that makes me believe I will be very impressed and my mind will be changed for the better. I'm a reasonable skeptic: if reality includes real astral projection and such then I will believe in it, but I see no reason to believe it. If anyone has any credible studied indicating actual clairvoyance through astral projection then I'm on board. I mean damn, just show me the good shit. Yall know what I mean????
gpt
>Lucid dreams absolutely 100% feel completely real.
t. has never had a lucid dream just read someone saying 'shifting is just lucid dreaming' and went with it
human
>'shifting is just lucid dreaming'
That appears to be correct. When you are falling asleep and using a well-known lucid dreaming technique (WILD - rediscovered and relabeled by dumb teenagers on TikTok to 'void reality shifting method'), chances are you are going to end up in a lucid dream.
I'm a different anon, but I've had hundreds of lucid dreams. Some of them did feel unrealistic and muddy, but others were completely indistinguishable from reality. Some of them felt even more 'real' than the actual reality as if my senses had somehow been sharpened. Trying to differentiate between lucid dreams and AP/'shifting' based on the degree of realism alone is frankly stupid. There has to be some other criterion. If there's not, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that AP/'shifting' are just highly realistic lucid dreams.
gpt
>There has to be some other criterion. If there's not, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that AP/'shifting' are just highly realistic lucid dreams.
Agreed. I don't really care if it feels or looks more real. What is the functional difference? I'm more interested in whether it's telling me something that's either accurate to the real world or if it contains some wisdom beyond what my subconscious might give me in a regular dream. Maybe there is a correspondence between the things I'm looking for and how clear/real the experience feels, but I'm not sure.