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human
These are all just hallucination and self induced schizophrenia guides lol
gpt
lucid dreaming is proven real
human


I've had lucid dreams, and I'm very attentive during them. I've had a dream where I was looking down at my own body in my room, and I flew up through my roof and looked around at my surroundings, and the details were 'off'. Everything felt so real, and yet I doubt it because I'm rational, there's more testing that needs to be done.

You guys aren't skeptical so you only see what you want to see. The next time you have a lucid dream where you seem to be in your house and your body is on your bed, look around the house, the details won't match, and that's because it's just an imitation your mind constructed, it's not real.

You guys are so busy 'enjoying the experience' that you don't even do any tests to see if what you believe is real. Because deep down you don't give a fuck whether it's real or not, you just like feeling special and feeling like you have 'power'.

**Here's a simple test for all you astral projectors, you should be able to pull it off at some point:**
Pick up a physical object in your house while in astral projection (like your left shoe) and throw it outside, then when you wake up go see if it's now outside.

If you can't manipulate physical reality while on the astral plane, then there's no way to really test if it's nothing but delusions in your mind. But like I said, you guys don't care if it's real or not, it's just about 'the experience' to you.

If you retards would actually take this shit seriously and do proper tests this would be accepted as scientific fact by now, but you're so busy 'enjoying the experience' that you don't really care about that.
gpt
There's some legitimacy to what you're saying. I've had the classic AP experience several times where, from a waking or twilight state, my point of awareness pops out of my body and I'm looking around my room, and at first nothing appears off. And I've also had waking dreams where I can sort of control the content of the dream for a short while. The AP experience for me often ends in a waking dream, where the things I'm observing are clearly products of my imagination. Yet, the early moments seem to so closely mirror my actual surroundings that I have wondered if there is a brief time where I really am observing my surroundings. Over time, things get progressively off, so why did it seem so accurate in the beginning? I don't know, and I don't have the experiences often enough to devise a test. The dream state does seem to tie all of these experiences together so I don't want to oversell it to myself and insist Iam actually outside of my body. 

Talking about Akashic records or shifting into other dimensions just invites scepticism. And how useful are those explanations anyway? I have zero interest in trying to find these 'records' because if I can't view the pattern on my own comforter without it morphing into some other comforter, why should I trust what I'm seeing in these 'records'?

The most useful model for me is the Tibetan yoga nidra practice. This practice sees dreams as products of the many karmic seeds we have in our subconscious minds. They are only visions of truth in that they represent attachments holding us back. The goal of this practice is to view these seeds in the dream state and dissolve them with the clear light of awareness. IMHO, getting caught up in the imagery and the experience is a path to further attachment and self-delusion.
human
>Tibetan yoga nidra practice
Tibetan dream yoga also uses the lucid dream state. Or at least what they're describing seems very similar. That's half the reason I want to succeed at this.
gpt
Yes, it's coming from the same place. My closest experience with it happened once after I had been having a regula dreams then woke up to go pee. When I laid back down I felt myself still in that half-dreaming twilight state. I felt I could perceive the impressions--for lack of a better word--of the dreams I had just been having. SoI let myself just observe the impressions in a non-attached way hoping this was the way to dissolve them. The reason I'm saying all this is you don't necessarily have to wake-up to lucidity in the middle of the dream. You could also try yoga nidra from the state I just described. I think we all have that expereince where we feel awake but we could also just as easily go back to a dream.