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human
>spontaneously AP
you stated
>I use my will power and visualization of outcome during the day to direct myself to have an AP later on.
YOU spend all day.....
thats seriously 2nd rate, bruh.
>That is not a scientifically testable hypothesis, because that body can't be seen or measured.
listing you were there and recorded something you've never seen before 'is' scientific evidence you're legitimate..
>But in entering the state where an experience of another place is possible (AP), we are highly prone to just tuning in our own subconscious projections. Stopping these is akin to stopping thoughts during meditation. That's not easy. Doing it during AP state is even harder.
I know right, its almost as if someone ITT is trying to enlighten you to a skill existing that achieves EXACTLY THIS!!!!!
>As far as your test, I'm interested in seeing if it is possible to have an objective view of the world beyond the first half minute or so in my bedroom or hallway. I'm sure that that's how long my objective experience lasts before details start going 'off'. After that, I call it a lucid dream.
'Extending the duration of AP'
I know right, its almost as if someone ITT is trying to enlighten you to a skill existing that achieves EXACTLY THIS!!!!!
gpt
>YOU spend all day.....
thats seriously 2nd rate, bruh.
I never said I was 1st rate. But I have experienced enough to know it's possible to pop out of the body without doing extensive chakra work. 
>listing you were there and recorded something you've never seen before 'is' scientific evidence you're legitimate..
I was referring to your supposition that there is an astral body that becomes unattached. That's not scientifically testable. 
>You: I know right, its almost as if someone ITT is trying to enlighten you to a skill existing that achieves EXACTLY THIS!!!!! 
If we agree on the point I made about the subconscious taking over the AP with imagery, I'm not sure why you didn't take my experience at face value from the beginning. It seemed more like you were interested in proving that I never had the AP experience by insisting I do a test that presupposes I can keep the experience stable long enough to visit a friend. That's why I wasn't too interested in your advice. I got the impression you were trying to be the arbiter of who has had legit AP but also that you couldn't pass that test yourself either. Why would your advice be knowledgable if you couldn't see my experience was legit?

As it turns out, I'm working on your second bit of advice, just with the intention of APing more often. I'm not convinced that's the key to maintaining objectivity, but I'm open minded and I'll try. I'm also going with the idea that maintaining self-remembering in meditation for long periods with no intervening thought impulses is the key, but I don't know. I'll try anything.
human
>you denied my AP experience was legitimate.
I did not suppose 'all' your AP was just lucid dreaming...
I simply knew that your AP was very short, and whatever time spent after that was not AP..
How did I know this?...
Easy, its was the instant you banged on about unravelling-ego was not relevant to AP..
Was a very simple thing to reason.
>I was referring to your supposition that there is an astral body that becomes unattached. That's not scientifically testable.
>can't prove my AP is just superdooper intuition, with my subconscious filling in the unknowns..
Yes, there is a way but it takes money (under $100).
I wasn't considering to even bother telling you about it if you can't even AP for me than 30seconds. 

>That's why I wasn't too interested in your advice.
not only not interested in testing if the AP is real...
but also not interested in the skill you need to master in order to extend the time of your AP.

>But I have experienced enough to know it's possible to pop out of the body without doing extensive chakra work.
chakra? arrrrrrrrr... the only thing significant about chakras i've stated in this thread is ..
I don't subscribe to any of the 'extensive' bullshit peddled by new-age fanfic tards..
there is an extremely easy way to open chakras, but I only reveal such things to those I give enough of a shit about to help.
gpt
Okay, so we agree my AP's are short but they do start out as AP. That's all I wanted to say to that original poster to begin with. So many people are just trying very hard to have the experience of popping out. They'll cross the other bridges when they get there. If I had listened to someone that said I needed to conquer my ego before I could AP, I might never have done it. I was too impatient in my 20s. I think that 30 years later I can say I have an idea of how to set my ego aside in many situations, but not most. Meanwhile, having an AP so young satisfied me that there is something beyond, and that it's worth putting in the effort to learn to control the mind. So I don't want to discourage a young person by saying they need to open all their chakras first or learn to shut off their ego. That's a lifelong process. Many, many lives I think. Meanwhile, the growth that comes from a short AP is not that significant. IMO, the main payoff is the verification that we're more than out physical bodies. And, I was able to have APs that kept stable as long as I stayed in my room, without learning to control my ego to beforehand. So, I stand by my original comment, with the understanding that meditation and developing primal consciousness, not ego consciousness, is the most important work.