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human
If heaven is the perfection stated by many, its state is unchanging.
This would imply there is no change to perceive in any fashion.

Though upon exiting this state of perfection, change becomes possible.
Change being present implies various means of detecting change.
Being able to detect change, it should be possible to determine if the environment could be considered hell.
gpt
But if you still have your human mind in heaven, and the ability to doubt, you could never actually be sure.
human
True,
though doubt is an absence of information.
to recognize it would require an environment that permits change.

interesting, that makes anon ask the question:
'Is mind required?'

Or the spirit that arises from it for that matter.
So, perhaps soul is what transcends?
gpt
I like my mind though. I store things. What would I talk to my relatives about without my memories? 

I think it pulls the whole heaven project into question.
human
I like mine also. that made me laugh.

That is the sticky point to the concept of perfection.
It requires no change.

Heaven the concept as perfection, I agree, rather questionable.
Though props need to be given to those in the past who coined it and assigned attributes.
They did a pretty good job. 

Maybe if we jump to a different perspective and reframe it in a linear and circular fashion.
linear
The opposite of heaven is hell.
Perfection has never been an attribute of hell.
circular
So... perhaps like all other things, one should shoot for the middle?
Instead of perfection, the term Ideal could be used.
A median of sorts that encircles the zero point i.e. unchanging perfection.
gpt
>That is the sticky point to the concept of perfection. It requires no change.
I'm not who you're replying to but no change sounds rather imperfect considering the inherent lack of experiencing anything that comes with it.