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human
Because the litmus test for passing Neophyte is what's called the 'Vision of Adonai in Malkut' or of Adonai Ha Aaretz. It is first contact with the Angel. Were simple contact to be Knowledge of and Conversation with the Angel then all Neophytes would be Adepts. And this may actually be the case, in a longform epistemological sense, but the phenomenology has been compartmentalized in this particular system of work.

Now, are we making the positive claim that since all Neophytes are Adepts that I am similarly an Adept already? Or are we just twiddling our dicks over here?
gpt
The claim is that you have no direct experience, and that seems to be true.
The question is why are you talking about it, really?
human
Anyone above Neophyte has had a direct experience. Depending on how one parses the phenomenology we're all having direct experiences all the time but simply unaware of the influence. The key being figuring out how to standardize that contact in a consistent and reproducible manner, which from all of my research and experience seems to be the hallmark of K&C.

>The question is why are you talking about it, really?
For the second time, I wholeheartedly reject the idea that if you've not experienced spiritual state X, Y, or Z that you're barred from speaking about it entirely. Stinks like a mechanism of control. Especially if you're working towards it, close to it, or trying to integrate your understanding of it. Triply so from those who haven't had the orthodox Knowledge and Conversation route, are golems or homunculi, or who have not entered ZAX.
gpt
>which from all of my research and experience
K&C is not a reproducible experience. It's not fun either.
human
That's certainly not what other lineal heads I generally respect have directly communicated with me. At least the first part. Also I seem to remember being critiqued because I reported an oceanic experience of nearness of the Angel that was extremely Not Fun but I guess that's beside the point.
gpt
>not what other lineal heads I generally respect
No surprise there.

I'd like to add that despite this exchange, snarking at you really isn't my job. It's a good thing you have been sticking around for so long, and updated the library from time to time. Maybe get back on track some day? I really hope you do.

Merry Christmas and happy new year, Ape.