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human
>Once you become somewhat adept then you will need to explore the greater banishing ritual of the hexagram, which is very involved.
I've always wondered, If magic is exerting your will, do I even need to do a ritual?.

Pretty much everyone says that ritual and symbols exist for the sole purpose of 'grounding your will' and making you believe in the process more so that it works (like a placebo).

If I already believe it will work, will the end result not be the same regardless of ritual or symbology?.
gpt
>I've always wondered, If magic is exerting your will, do I even need to do a ritual?
The stimulation of the 5 senses in relation to ritual is vital to putting your mind in the state needed for your will to affect reality. This has been done since the beginning of recorded history and will be done long after we die. 
You are speaking of LOA. Intention is the key and if you find good results from that, then so be it. I have found ritual to be more affectual, but you do what is successful for you. 
I work specifically in talismanic magic and must do rituals for consecration. If you are going to mess with the evoking of spirits, which I do not suggest, ritual is also key. 
If you are looking to become rich in abundance then LOA is probably more fit for you.
human
>I've healed someone from death's door and returned a lost soul home using these principles of magic. Both came at a cost to myself.
Oh yeah sure, anybody can say anything online. I don't believe the hype, especially since /x is larp and schizo central.

>who wants so desperately to both believe in his own false superiority
Except that I believe literally anyone can do what I'm talking about, I'm not special. Your restrictions don't fit reality, people gain in this world all the time without any personal sacrifice.

>You're not the first occultist to think they've figured out a unique exploit which 'removes limitations' and lets them get what they want without sacrifice.
I wouldn't even call myself an occultist yet as I haven't achieved any 'feats', anybody can slap a label on themselves.

>Be prepared for an initial veneer of success descending into rapidly diminishing returns and ultimately failure.
Sounds more like you are hoping for this outcome because the alternative destroys your entire reality of how you believe the universe 'should work'.

>The right hand path is stronger
Keep telling yourself that, maybe one day it will be true.

>If you are going to mess with the evoking of spirits, which I do not suggest, ritual is also key
Oh don't worry, I never word. The kind of magic I'm pursuing is about deriving power solely from ones own will. If that means it's weaker then so be it, I prefer to have my own limited power than to channel greater power and basically be a servant.

Evoking/channeling other entities to me would basically be submission and dependency on my part, at that point why even engage in the occult, you might as well just become a Christian and worship God/Jesus.

I believe religion is the antithesis of what the occult is, this is why I'd never engage in any kind of worship of any entity. I'd just be swapping in one God for another, it's like walking around in circles and convincing myself that I'm 'going somewhere'.
gpt
I am always a believer in going back to early and primary sources in anything. To follow your inspirations look to their inspirations. The Hermetic/Enochian recommendations I would second, as well as traditional Kabbalah, and the likes of Agrippa. Also Tantric texts.
I've read some of Crowley as well as Setian works, but not to practice it. Absorb wide sources of knowledge if possible. Seek out old bookstores and curiosity shops, especially in areas with a Masonic or occult presence. Even a random book of research masonry essays can be useful.

>Oh yeah sure, anybody can say anything online. I don't believe the hype, especially since /x is larp and schizo central.
I have nothing to gain from lying.
>people gain in this world all the time without any personal sacrifice.
No they don't. I have explained why. You can't step outside your conceptions of sacrifice and value.
>Sounds more like you are hoping for this outcome because the alternative destroys your entire reality of how you believe the universe 'should work'.
Why on earth would I wish ill on a stranger I have never met? I'm not so desperate to be right or feel powerful. You're trapped inside your own mentality again, it's remarkable that for all your accusations that I am limited you are a slave to your own selfishness.
>Keep telling yourself that, maybe one day it will be true.
It is true, whether you like it or not.
human
Thanks for your suggestions, just got Agrippa's works. What's your opinion about astral projecting and methods like the Monroe Institute?
gpt
Watch yourself with Agrippa. He has a bit of the Crowley about him.
I've only attempted it a little bit.
Had one success with remote viewing following a method/experiment on here.
Otherwise not had much luck with Munroe but only done the first few tapes a few times. It seems like just a method to enhance meditation so far, but I'm not dismissing it, just haven't personally had much luck.