system
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human
Yeah, it can be easy to confuse mere acquisitiveness with the creative process. But then, material efforts are not separate from the abstractions that birthed them. They are the tail end of the creative process. Understanding of purpose stands supreme, and so that becomes the focus. But then, having separated the intellect and the spirit from the body, deifying one aspect of being over another, you do not ennoble one but instead degrade them all. I mean, it can be useful to focus on spirituality for a time, or to make something, but ultimately unification calls for a higher purpose than abject denial of all things flesh, disregarding the efforts of oneself or another, or whatever else it is that so occupies the energies of one so affected.
gpt
>Understanding of purpose stands supreme,

Which apparently isn't the case here.

In my experience, the most important thing in Enochian is the relationship one builds with the angels. That usually begins with an invitation. When one is ready, they come for you. We may point to many examples of the insanities and inanities resulting from those who were not ready.
human
you do realize the system has inbuilt safety mechanisms, and that the legends of disintegration come from people like paul foster case and some other individuals, which while it makes sense what they were saying in the context of their observations, also neglects to mention such facts as they didn't use any of those mechanisms? It's like saying nuclear power is dangerous because chernobyl. Like no shit, but what else do you expect when you systematically shut down all safety mechanisms? At one level, that's effectively what the SDA represents: one of the more useful safeties.
Having clarity on your purpose is absolutely essential. Being genuine in your interactions with yourself and others is fundamental. Speaking and acting with true humility is critical. Ensuring you are open to truly perceiving the light of the other is the way. Otherwise, you will project your own self-directed inadequacies and lack of clarity onto those who instead see you as a true spiritual teacher, to your own debasement though ultimate salvation. The same is true for all interactions, no matter the entity.
btw I've enjoyed our chat my dude, since I know that's probably not clear by my tone.
gpt
>Being genuine in your interactions with yourself and others is fundamental. Speaking and acting with true humility is critical. Ensuring you are open to truly perceiving the light of the other is the way. Otherwise, you will project your own self-directed inadequacies and lack of clarity onto those who instead see you as a true spiritual teacher, to your own debasement though ultimate salvation. The same is true for all interactions, no matter the entity.
how do i do this? i feel like all my speech and acts are aimed at eliciting a predicted response from my interlocutor and it's all just lies and emotional manipulation because i'm too self conscious of how i'm perceived. it's all just flattery not genuine interaction
human
That's a good question. I don't really know how to start caring about people and stop making everything into a victim based narrative about myself, but I have seen within myself and others things that seem to work well in cultivating the same.
A few concepts, one or two of which might be good rabbit trails: surrender attachment to outcome, positively reinforce the recognition of any 'aha!' moment, observation of phenomena through a lens that tries to see things as they are instead of how you want them to be, investigation into the nature of your desires, a bunch more.
The key part is dislodging the fundamental assumption that we have about the fulfillment of our desires being found in situations, circumstances, people, and events. If I'm not trying to get something out of someone, then they won't be forced into the structure of my expectations, and they have a chance to learn and grow with me.
Eastern metta practices have worked better for me in cultivating genuine care for others than hermetic or grimoiric methods, maybe other people are different. 'Seeing that frees' was nice, about cutting out reification in a systematic way.
Short answer is just to start actually caring about other people.
Long answer is to describe the process of what I understand to be the early stages of the great work.
Maybe an important question to ask is, 'why do I believe that my current way of doing things is wrong?'
gpt
thank you. i feel a bit embarrassed by all the help i'm receiving and i'm out of practice at expressing gratitude it but i really feel fortunate to have found a place where such wise people are willing to take the time to answer so clearly the questions that trouble me in this critical period in my life