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human
if you had any idea about anything you would realize that its just the lowest representation of the real thing and isnt inherently evil
gpt
if you had any idea about gnosticism you'd realize how wrong you are. 
Gnostics view material world as evil. There's literally no arguing that point.
human
>Gnostics view material world as evil. There's literally no arguing that point.
You should read more gnostic texts and fewer Wikipedia articles.
gpt
>there are so many gnostic texts that prove that gnostics love the material world.
and yet you can't name a single one of those texts? lol
human

I'll give you a few examples.
>His disciples said to him, 'When will the kingdom come?'
>'It won't come by looking for it. They won't say, 'Look over here!' or 'Look over there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is already spread out over the earth, and people don't see it.'
Thomas 113
The Kingdom of Heaven is not some external place you go to. It is already here, present within the earth, and within you. You do not escape by 'going' 'somewhere else,' you escape by learning to see what is already there.

>Jesus said, 'I'm the light that's over all. I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me.
>'Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there.'
Thomas 77
The Light exists EVERYWHERE, including every aspect of the material world.

>'Then will [matter] be [destroyed], or not?'
>The Savior said, 'Every nature, every form, every creature exists in and with each other, but they'll dissolve again into their own roots, because the nature of matter dissolves into its nature alone. Anyone who has ears to hear should hear!'
Gospel of Mary
The Kingdom of Heaven is less about destroying the material world and more about each aspect of it becoming purified into its own root. Rather than matter and soul mixing the way it does in the corporeal body, matter returns back to matter and soul returns back to soul. Everything returns to its Source.

>The Savior said, 'Sin doesn't exist, but you're the ones who make sin when you act in accordance with the nature of adultery, which is called 'sin.' That's why the Good came among you, up to the things of every nature in order to restore it within its root.'
>Then he continued and said, 'That's why you get sick and die, because [you love what tricks you. Anyone who] can understand should understand!
gpt
>'Matter [gave birth to] a passion that has no image because it comes from what's contrary to nature. Then confusion arises in the whole body. That's why I told you to be content at heart. If you're discontented, find contentment in the presence of the various images of nature. Anyone who has ears to hear should hear!'
Gospel of Mary continued
The problem with the material world isn't the fact that it's material, it's that human beings behave as though the material is the only thing that exists, and therefore act contrary to the nature of their own soul (and therefore 'sin'). The soul stops acting in the image of the Father, and THAT is the problem.

So what's the best remedy? Instead of pursuing passions that have no image in the Father, act in accordance with being the Image of God, and one way of doing this is admiring the natural world.

There are other examples and arguments possible (I already know which saying from Thomas someone is going to try to use to argue against the Kingdom sayings) but the point is that various gnostic schools of thought have different opinions on what the World actually even is, that you are not going to get by reading wikipedia summaries. Moreover, text is just text: gnosis means knowledge, but it's the kind that comes from intimate mystical experiences with God, not reading a piece of text that says 'that lion snake is an asshole.' So if someone says that their experience with God tells them about the beauty of nature, you have to take them on that good faith argument, not say 'well, in this book it says...' like conventional religion.