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human
So let me get this straight

>Be on anti psychotics for schizophrenia
>Say these anti psychotics are needed to help keep it under control and stop you from having psychotic episodes
>First psychotic episode literally gets caused by retarded psychiatrists giving you conflicting meds
>Second comes from using weed (which everyone knows you avoid if you are schizo)
So, to wit, despite your psychotic episodes not being caused by your schizophrenia (and in fact you going off you meds for three months and being fine until you decided to smoke weed), you are saying that they are needed and that everyone should take them if they are schizo?

This is like peak doublethink
>'Well shucks, I've been off my meds and fine, and my only episodes have come from drug interactions that I did stupidly or the psychs forced me to take, better trust and advocate for them!'
gpt
That's actually a solid argument. I don't actually advocate for antipsychotics as a preventative for psychosis, but rather they serve better when given at the onset of symptoms. If you had seen me on the day I first took vraylar, you could see the slow change of my mind stitching itself back together immediately after the first dose. Do they make you feel good? No. Are the side effects bad? Yes. Do psychs and NPs overprescribe them because of big pharma? Yes. Do they help people in crisis? Yes. 
I don't think this situation is as black and white as people make it out to be. One of the leading causes of frequent psychosis in schizophrenics is quitting their medication cold turkey. It is possible that it's due to withdrawal from antipsychotics, I will admit, but that is the trend. I didn't come here to shill for some greedy pill merchants, but to tell people who are interested in the experience of schizophrenics how these medicines actually effect them.
human
Anon, what are your thoughts on the causes and triggers of schizophrenia? 
>This faggot saying that psychiatry is bullshit has never had his mind unravel in psychosis.
 I have, and I still think there are multiple flaws with psychiatry as a system. In my day job I work with biological disease - if im looking at samples from a diabetic I can quantify them - Hba1c or glucose outside of various thresholds = one diagnosis. Tumour expressing certain markers = more likely to respond to a specific drug. 
 With schizophrenia, depression, all these disorders, the diagnosis are subjective and behavioural. Yet the treatment is chemical. We don’t understand how ‘psychosis’ arises physically or chemically but we treat it with a drug. We don’t understand how affect flattening happens physically/chemically yet we treat it with a drug. Studies to get these drugs passed also rely on subjective endpoints. The diagnostic criteria change with every revision of the DSM, and they overlap. Depression can segue into depression with anxiety to psychotic features etc. i think we will look back on how we treat this with horror. 
 Then there’s the issue of what causes these disorders. Is it totally biological? Data says no. Is it a mix of environmental on a background of biology? Probably. So what actualy causes them and to what extent are they sane reactions to insane environments? How much is a reaction to chronic intolerable stress? How much could be avoided or healed by removing the stress?