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human
But Jesus Christ is God, and He Himself was put to the test.


Then how did the magicians that battled against Moses turn their staffs into vipers? Why did King Saul visit a seer to speak to Samuel, and how did he manage to get something out of Samuel as well?
gpt
He visited a necromancer not a seer and the high priests of egypt would have been considered to have performed a heathen miracle not magic
human
>Schrödinger's cat
Nope, God tests even Himself because anything can happen. That is why Jesus makes the point (and request) if God can excuse Him from His passion, but ultimately says
>not my will, but yours be done.
Because it was Jesus will at the moment to not have to suffer, but He knew it was what God wanted, and knew what God wanted is what is for the best.


>necromancer
Bible says a 'medium'. Regardless of the semantics, the point is that these people use power from their own intentions that go against God's will.
gpt
>Bible says a 'medium'.

No it says
 אֵשֶׁת בַּעֲלַת־אֹוב בְּעֵין דֹּור
Which translates to 'a woman, possessor of an ’ōḇ at Endor' which is a ritual pit for summoning the dead.
human
Based Tanahk reader. After a bit of research, the Witch of Endor wasn't exactly a necromancer. They could revive the spirits of the dead for wisdom but never actually revived a corpse.


After reading the entire thread, it all boils down to how you define what magic is. Some people say anything God does is magic related, others don't. 
As a Christian, my personal opinion is to follow Christs commandments and be filled with his Holy Spirit. 
If you follow him into your mind, body, and spirit whatever happens from then on is Gods will. Through Christ I've helped crippled war veterans walk, unified someone with DID, and literally turned a home invasion into a prayer session. (the guy literally walked in with a weapon and walked out happy without stealing a thing)

Suffice to say I believe God has the power to change lives. I've found even Atheists can agree on that (for better or for worse). The word says 'Acknowledge him in all you do and he will make your path straight' and I agree. Unify your path with God, and move away from self glorification. 

As for general Occultism, I would say much of the church is generally against it.
gpt
>Suffice to say I believe God has the power to change lives.
How could you achieve this on your own? I own a KJV Bible, should I read it and expect magical help or what?