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human
>a pensioner with a simple, stable living, enjoying little pleasures like his daily tea is far likely to be a succesful occultist
Successful in what way?

By what criteria?

What do they achieve?

Let me guess, something conveniently vague like 'enlightenment'?

Anybody can claim to be enlightened, even some random homeless guy that begs for food and money. If you don't have any criteria you're just being deluded, because anyone can just tell themselves they are 'enlightened' and they'll believe it.

>especially since usually the more power and wealth you have and the more you care about it, the more others want to make it theirs and the more effort and time you have to invest to maintain it, which gives you less time, not more.
Google 'retirement', you can literally just retire after you make your first few million, and invest it in a way in which you just live off of dividend payments.

Now you have all the perks of being rich with none of micromanagement, and nobody has to know you are rich. There are many millionaires that don't go around showing off, they just enjoy the perk of never having to be a wage slave again.

>How can you reach authority, level of growth and ability that are beyond material, mundane world if your thoughts, drives and goals concentrate on things anchoring you to material and mundane?
This is just BS poorfag rationalizations. A rich person has more free time and resources to pursue their occult practices than some wage slave that has to wake up 6:00 AM, rush to take a shit, and then head off to work for someone else

It's the poor person who has to live pay check to pay check that is mentally anchored to the physical world.

It's not a coincidence that pretty much all wealthy elites are into the occult.


>Penn and Teller have a combined net worth of $400 million.
The exception to the rule doesn't disprove the rule.
gpt
>Successful in what way?
Having just what they need, freeing themselves from shit that keeps them in the rat race. May not be enlightenment, vague or not, but the more you make yourself dependant on regular life things, the harder it is for you to achieve things from beyond it.

>Anybody can claim to be enlightened, even some random homeless guy that begs for food and money. If you don't have any criteria you're just being deluded, because anyone can just tell themselves they are 'enlightened' and they'll believe it.
Yes, that's why there's many people who were lied to and there's many people who delude themselves as they make poverty mean enlightenment which is not the truth. But those who already have what they need and are concentrating on worlds subtler than what average person knows may appear poor, yet they'll be satisfied with what they have.

>Now you have all the perks of being rich with none of micromanagement, and nobody has to know you are rich. There are many millionaires that don't go around showing off, they just enjoy the perk of never having to be a wage slave again.
Yes, and some of them, having stable situation etc may concentrate on spiritual pursuits. You seem to try very hard to argue with me as if I'd claim that poverty is necessary for achieving occult abilities. No, it's not. But many who seeks spiritual development often resolve themselves to poverty and I explain why. In some cases it's not a matter of inability to be more wealthy, it's a matter of different priorities. The opposite, extreme side of it is crazy people who compulsively do nothing but look for a way to stuff their mattresses with dollar bills (there were a few such cases, of paranoid weirdos or outright hobos who then turned out to be quite rich, just got mental enough that they were never satified and even lived in shit conditions to amass as much money as possible).

cont in a moment.
human

>This is just BS poorfag rationalizations. A rich person has more free time and resources to pursue their occult practices than some wage slave that has to wake up 6:00 AM, rush to take a shit, and then head off to work for someone else

You still don't understand. You treat spiritual pursuits as if it's some fucking hobby, so getting money and time for it i enough. No, it's an integral part of your personality, it stems from your priorities and attitudes.
Yes, some occultists treat it like you and some even achieve cash but since it does stem from base drives they often get fucked in result or aren't able to get much further.

There are, imagine that, people who like their job, who do it because it's a source of satisfaction and experience meshing well with their practice. In many traditions a life of an aspiring practitioner isn't easier because of their practice but harder, much harder than that of a 'wage slave'. And many incorporate their work in their practice. Don't treat spiritual development, including development of faculties that let you do magic as some sort of after-hours gym session to do in comfort, separate from the rest of your life. It's often something that stems from all those other parts of your life, it's their culmination.

At least if you want to get anywhere far in general. If you're just dead set of achieving wealth itself then as people mentioned, there's still way to do it through magic but the ironic thing is, such attitude may suggest that you lack spiritual authority and wisdom enough that it may blow in your face and that it would be harder for you to do that for someone who doesn't give a shit.

Yes, take it for a reality's joke that those who can really mess with our reality usually have no need to, and those who really feel a strong need to go on such power trip, often lack the means to.
gpt
>those who really feel a strong need to go on such power trip, often lack the means to
Literally all the elites that dominate and rule over this modern era are occultists, the only people who believe the delusional nonsense you just said are 'armchair magicians' who can't do anything themselves, it's how they rationalize their own lack of success and power.
human

>Literally all the elites that dominate and rule over this modern era are occultists, 

all of the occult symbolism is out of reverence for the ancient sciences, not belief across the board

they understand astrology which explains 99% of the phenomena /x/ writes about. people confuse astrological cycles (because they simply don't know how they work) for god, synchronicity, mind powers, phases when people around them act peculair, phases when they feel emotionally lighter or heavier, etc.

astrology is the grand total explanation for most of what /x/ ponders
gpt
Ill second that request; Where is a good place to start?