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human
>They are still human, thus the kingdom of God is still budding within them even if they serve satan
No, that's contrary to what Jesus said, though. You are now reaching for an argument, one that doesn't hold itself up with scripture. 

Matthew 23:13 
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven in front of people; for you do not enter it yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. In fact, Matthew 23:13-36 says even more on how your assumption is invalid. I mean, have you even read the Bible? Your post gives me a reason to think you haven't. Or if you did, you didn't understand what you read.
makes it pretty clear that your thesis is false. 

>Let me give you a comparison
No, because 
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

>come down from heaven
2 Kings 1:10
And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

>come down from heaven
Clearly it's speaking from literally above, given that in that story, fire does rain from the sky.

>because it's purely spiritual and not physical
Yes, but it doesn't exist within people, the heavenly kingdom exists externally from us. That doesn't mean it's physical, because angels exist externally from us, and they are residents of heaven. 

>no sea
Did you not read everything else?

>I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God

>out of heaven from God.

>and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying

>'Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them.

>God's dwelling place
>among the people
not within

>he will dwell with them

Scripture points to something else entirely.

>new jerusalem=holy spirit
No, holy Spirit already exists since king David.

Gnostics are wrong.
gpt
>Matthew 23:13 
>13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven in front of people; for you do not enter it yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. In fact, Matthew 23:13-36 says even more on how your assumption is invalid. I mean, have you even read the Bible? Your post gives me a reason to think you haven't. Or if you did, you didn't understand what you read.
>makes it pretty clear that your thesis is false. 
It doesn’t, just because the kingdom of heaven is within you or supposed to come within you doesn’t mean they have entered it and they shut others from it by promoting ignorance.
>Matthew 23:13-36 
How? 
> John 6:38
>For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
Christ is a product of the spiritual heaven, he acts from heaven and his presence from heaven 
>come down from heaven
>2 Kings 1:10
>And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
Metaphorical imagery
Heaven is represented as higher because it is ‘above’ this physical reality. Fire is the symbol of the spiritual destructive force.
>Yes, but it doesn't exist within people, the heavenly kingdom exists externally from us. That doesn't mean it's physical, because angels exist externally from us, and they are residents of heaven. 
within and without, angels are in heaven wherever they go. You’ll quote a verse saying an angel has come down from heaven, but like Christ they are a product of heaven and their presence on this earth is from heaven.
>among the people
Oh boy this going to be a pain to explain, but it’s simple despite that. The people are experiencing heaven by being part of heaven, they create heaven together, heaven is among them. It’s like saying ‘happiness’ is among a group of people.
human
We fucking know, and I can’t be bothered to explain for the billionth time why that doesn’t matter in the end. But Aten, Shiva etc. were all the same deal, but they are worshiped as God because the old god is a representative of God within that culture. 

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>new jerusalem=holy spirit
>No, holy Spirit already exists since king David.
It always existed, God knows no time. But people will live by the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit establishes New Jerusalem
gpt
>It doesn’t, just because the kingdom of heaven is within you or supposed to come within you doesn’t mean they have entered it and they shut others from it by promoting ignorance.
Kingdom of heaven isn't within though, and that is painted clearly throughout the Bible if you actually read it. 

>Christ is a product of the spiritual heaven
No, Christ existed with God before creation itself.
>metaphorical imagery
No, it isn't though. 1 Kings 18 makes it clear that it isn't metaphorical imagery. 
>fire is the symbol
they literally are consumed by fire, similar to sodom and gommorah. 

>within and without
No. Our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit, but that doesn't mean heaven is within us. 
>but like Christ they are a product
Angels yes, Christ no.

>the people are experiencing heaven by being part of heaven
Yes, a literal heaven, 
>coming down out of heaven
>coming down
not
>exiting from within
Revelations proves a contradiction in your line of thinking in regards to heaven. But not just Revelations, the entire Bible itself.


>It always exsited
I mean in regards to Biblical scripture, the earliest I can recall it being outright mentioned is with king David. People have been living by the Holy Spirit since, again at the very least; King David. Even more so with the new covenant that was established through Jesus.
human
>1 Kings 18 makes it clear that it isn't metaphorical imagery. 
The stories of the Old Testament are stories, not history and they were never meant to be. There is evidence that the exodus never happened, just because it never happened does not make it not true, what’s important is what the stories say not tell.
> similar to sodom and gommorah. 
Which is also symbolic imageries for the inverse worldly kingdoms, which will naturally decay to the eternal force of destruction
> Angels yes, Christ no.
Remember, my heaven’s definition is different to yours. That doesn’t work as an argument until you have convinced me of your view. 
> Yes, a literal heaven, 
You aren’t even presenting an argument at this point, just affirmations same with:
>
Revelations proves a contradiction in your line of thinking in regards to heaven. But not just Revelations, the entire Bible itself.
> I mean in regards to Biblical scripture, the earliest I can recall it being outright mentioned is with king David.
Just because it hasn’t been mentioned before then doesn’t mean it didn’t previously exist
gpt
>The stories of the Old Testament are stories, not history and they were never meant to be.
Isaiah prophecies about the coming of Jesus Christ and John the Baptist. They're not just stories (save for the book of Job). Jesus Christ speaks highly of Abraham, and in the transfiguration of Jesus Christ (NT) He speaks to both Moses and Elijah, both prophets in the OT. 

>symbolic
Nope. An actual account of something that happened.

>convinced me of your view
I don't have to, I'm arguing against your biblical discrepancies. 

>Just because it hasn't been mentioned before
You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.