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human
Yeah, this fits with what I said
>sin = acting against your true nature and your best interests
except for the 
>To be close to God, you must first purify yourself of sin
That is the great lie which religion foists upon us to make us subscribe to their control. We all have a divine nature. There is no distance between us and god. But yes, it is easier to perceive, as you say, the subtleties if you pay attention to your diet nd lifestyle choices.


This is the simplistic bullshit I was responding to in the first place. Judgement and hell don't exist. Free yourself from the oppression of religion. God is love, there is no judgement, no hell, no damnation, except that which we create for ourselves as humans during our lives here on earth.
gpt
Of course, when we arbitrarily define a 'clean state' we will be able to notice a difference between being in that clean state and lapsing into any other state. Perhaps what is good, and what is noble, is that which brings health, knowledge, and love to man. Beauty, too, if you are willing to believe this; just not the beauty everyone chases necessarily
human
Absolutely. And I hope we don't feel the need to always be perfect, to be totally that clean slate, but that the intent and focus on health, knowledge, love and beauty are enough to carry us and hold us in a state of grace, if I may use an old term.
gpt
Indeed, what is important is to trust that God is loving, caring, and infinitely kind- a true friend. Would you want to be with or placate an infinite tormentor (although the blame is reflected on the victim, in classic abuse style- 'you are choosing to suffer eternally in Hell' even though their idea of God created that system whereby you can no longer repent or change after death, and where finite sins deserve infinite torment- all begging the question in favor of malicious and fear)? No, we are returning to our love. God bless!
human
Conservatives still can't handle that control of society by dominant elders WAS the Rome pattern IRL, and that liberalism was crushing the (literally child molesting) side effects of that policy set.  Pedofascistic conservatism isn't slander.  It's the reality that right-wingers can't handle, but need to come to terms with.

'You need to stop thinking about the children!' was a political taunt in my childhood that referred to conservatives molesting kids and liberals NOT doing it.  Ephebophilia meanwhile was fair liberalism...  in the eighteenth century, when society was less liberated than it currently is.

I'm thinking about this because of a stalker creep who visited my home earlier today with a car labeled with a Rome reference.  Peace, y'know.  Conservatives have almost the right value set (albeit more natalism thannis healthy for kids), they just don't understand how their policy basket (and abusive community policing) tends to backfire.
gpt
Are you also 
Because I feel like we are almost saying the same thing. 

Just one thing before I go, 
>There is no difference
I didn't say difference I said distance. The idea being that our divine nature is always right here with us. But as you say, not everyone is reflecting that. And yes, if I had said no difference that wouldn't have been right.

>Sin is not true nature, sin is choice.
And I didn't mean to imply it wasn't choice, but I do think it is part of nature. Note, not our true nature as you put it, our deepest identification, but sin is part of the nature of all things, which leads us to experience the necessity to make a choice and define who we are in relation to god. 'To err is human, to forgive is divine'. If these words were fully understood the world would be transformed. 

That's gotta be it for now, I have to sleep. Go well my friend.
human
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I don't agree with what you're saying. It's not part of our nature, it is what is usually heavily pushed throughout our society, so we tend to unknowingly associate it without knowing any better. It is entirely possible to see what sin entails and to knowingly not indulge in it any more. Will it be easy? That all depends on how deep you're in, but no, it most likely will not be easy. But as time progresses and you stick to it, you'll get better at avoiding sin. Then after a while it becomes common sense not to sin. Humans are very adaptable in all honesty.