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human
>how did you master OBE?
I didn't, at all. I just have spontaneous exits while I'm sleeping. I've been like that since childhood (I suspect I developed my skill in a previous life, but who knows).
Most people who teach this stuff are like this. They have it from birth and then they come up with methods and try to teach it to people. But the hard truth is that you have to find your way on your own.
With that in mind, I have found that I gain lucidity and am able to step out of the dream-space and into astral-space easier if I go to sleep while keeping my mind as blank as possible. So I guess meditation is a must. And it makes sense, because it's that random mental chatter and leftover emotions which configure your subjective dreams at night.
gpt
That's cool. It only works for me after a 4-5 hour nap, then dozing off again. Definitely wasn't born with the skill, although I think it's true that you might accidentally slipped into it throughout your life. I lie down flat on my bed and let my body sleep with the intention of leaving my body, and soon enough my body begins to vibrate like crazy and I'm climbing out of my bed and body. Hasn't been working lately though. I suspect I'm just thinking too much about it. 

I'll take your advice and do some serious meditation. I agree that keeping your mind is blank as possible is a must. A real mental calm is absolutely necessary. I still find it kind of weird though how many monks claim AP isn't worth their time. I'm a curious guy, I want to go everywhere and see everything.
human
>after a 4-5 hour nap, then dozing off again
Yes! I have found that to be true for me too.
>I lie down flat on my bed and let my body sleep with the intention of leaving my body
This too. But in my case I get too self-conscious about my heartbeat and end up with my back hurting, so I sleep on my side. But if I ever fall asleep on my back, I'm almost sure to wake up with sleep paralysis and from there I can 'sink into it' and get up in OBE.
>kind of weird though how many monks claim AP isn't worth their time
I don't know why they say this, but it is true that if you develop the ability to 'remote view' (not in the way the military used the term) and only project a bit of your awareness while staying fully conscious, you can do almost everything you can with an OBE, minus the cool experience factor.

Sleeping in my back works for me, see above.

I kind of described it above, but the most outlandish place I've been was where I saw that woman being tortured with a masturbation device. It was like the dwelling of a very disturbing creature. I somehow knew that if I let myself feel any emotion at all, it would come for me. It had many dead animals pinned on display in that place.

I also went to a place once where the beings there claimed 'they were very happy to see me again' and that they had been 'waiting for my return', sort of what people describe in DMT trips. It was like my own personal palace. Everything responded to me, and I had 'friends' there who I knew (but I don't remember them in waking life). We were not humans. We hung around and played games. It was a very nice kind of planet. Similar vibe to the one in Midnight Gospel (this was way before that show tho). I would've stayed there if I could.

I hate tripfags. I'm going to drop mine now because it doesn't make any sense.
gpt
I remember an interview with a monk where he said that they don't AP because it draws you into desire. The same reason many monks don't have a family, or children, or for that matter a sex life. 

I guess in a way it's very honorable, but I've never been able to get over the children part. I can't imagine a healthy family keeping someone from ascending to a higher plan of existence.
human
I do get it. Having children makes you care about what happen to them. You know this even by just having parents. Most people would do things they normaly wouldn't for the sake of their mom, for example.
My grandpa is very old and will die soon. He isn't religious and all he talks about lately is how he wants to see his parents if there is a heaven.
This gets into another topic altogether, but it does draw you into the desire of friendship, love, companionship... It's a 'higher' desire, but it's desire nevertheless.
I don't think it makes sense to try to rush it and be desireless for the sake of it when one is not ready. I know I will be coming back here for many, many lifetimes still. And actually, there are other ways out that don't involve that. Including transhumanist immortality and astral immortality (way off topic here).
gpt
>astral immortality
please elaborate
the kind Kreiter talks about? alchemical immortality?