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human
>I don't know what your issue is man
>Nothing wrong with smoking a little bit of weed and mediating for an hour
>Its pretty great actually
A lot of you retards don't seem to get the obvious point that taking drugs to artificially create an experience defeats the purpose of the practice to begin with, because now you can't differentiate between whether you've 'truly had a moment' or 'it was just the drugs'.

You are basically robbing yourself of a genuine experience.

It's like drinking chamomile tea at night because you want to go to sleep, but you also use the tea to gulp down two sleeping pills. Then you go around telling people about the 'strong effects' pf chamomile tea lol.

You just sound delusional, it's like you are pretending you didn't literally just take a drug that induces specific effects.

A lot of you guys are just chasing the 'feeling of being special', you don't care about having a 'genuine experience' and that's the issue here.
gpt
You're acting as if having genuine expireience and partaking in drugs are completely divorced

You're wrong
human
>You're acting as if having genuine expireience and partaking in drugs are completely divorced
>You're wrong
It's possibilities vs probabilities.

It's possible that a genuine experience coincides without the drug, but it's not probable. It's way more probable that whatever you experience is 100% the result of the drug.

If you were so sure of it you wouldn't take the drug, you'd just have those experiences without requiring the use of drugs at all.
gpt
Yeah you're right my daily spiritual practices aren't contributing anything it's all delaions causesd my smoking a few bowls and every now and then 

You're mentally challenged anon
human
>Yeah you're right my daily spiritual practices aren't contributing anything it's all delaions causesd my smoking a few bowls and every now and then
It's not like you are testing these visions in any tangible way.

For example, notice how people who CLAIM they can astral project never do any simple tests to see if it's just lucid dreaming.

You could ask someone to write a random 6 digit number on the wall in a different room and then you astral project and go to that room to see what's been drawn. If it matches what you see when you go back to the room in your physical body, then you would know for sure that you aren't delusional.

But once again, most people that dabble in the occult or magic only care about 'feeling special', they don't care if they are actually doing something, they just want to feel like they are 'enlightened'. This is why they never do any testing.

Drugfags are just the biggest and most delusional example of this mindset. They literally convince themselves that drug induced hallucinations with no foundation or means of testing is a 'spiritual practice'.

No, you are just a drugfag lol.
gpt
I think you misunderstand what Astral projection is. There are many realms and the shadow of the physical reality is only one of them. You can ap without having much control in where you are going, but still be able to differentiate based on lucid dreams you have had before. No you can't prove unless you manage to enter the shadow of the physical realm, but you can have sufficient evidence to know that you were not in your own consciousness alone. Another thing is speaking to dream characters and entities. If you can gain tangible information that checks out, and you had no way of knowing, then yes you must have received information from outside of yourself. That being said I have been in the physical realm in the Astral, but I think it is wrong to do so outside of the authority of God. There are many critters out there and they would love to catch you outside of your body to attach to you, torment you, or manipulate you.