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human
...what?
I thought we were talking about attainment of nonself, not sorcery.
gpt
No, we're definitely talking about sorcery. The question is whether the sorcery moves one closer to liberation.
human
Oh ok in that case I’ll defer to the Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana, and other Buddhist traditions of sorcery as to whether they’re compatible with liberation. 


I’m not sure why this is particularly controversial. Seems pretty clear from materials that you’re using the quintessence of magic to continually annihilate and recreate until the vessel as urn and vessel as aspirant are one in the same.
gpt
I think it would far more productive to ask and answer whether Chumbley's sorcery moves one closer to liberation.
human
Well considering a large hunk of the corpus is inspired by some of these Buddhist forms of sorcery I don’t think it’s entirely irrelevant either but sure. 

Then to answer the question I’d ask 1) if you’ve read the corpus 2)which forms of sorcery are we actually speaking of because to conflate something like the contemplative states of telaesthesis or synentasy with the assumption of an animal form and 3)what results, if any, has one gotten from the praxes.
gpt
And a chunk of it doesn't.

Can you point to data suggesting that Chumbley's sorcery moves one closer to liberation, or is this still conjecture? Of those who have followed the protocol, including Chumbley I suppose, how many as a percentage have been liberated?