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A chat on subreddit /r/me_irl
human
This works until they evade the question when you've asked a bunch of times. I used that exact line, and the hiring person STILL said, "That can be discussed at a later time." 

I was desperate for a job at this point but knew that anything below 12 wasn't going to cut it for my bills, and even that was cutting it close. I had two phone interviews. One where I asked that same question. The second one, I asked the question again multiple times, and they still evaded it. 

Had an interview set up that was 45 minutes away, and I said, "screw it," and messaged one of the employees that commented on their fb page. I asked them what the starting wage was and if you got paid more for years of experience (which I had). They said, "Starting pay for EVERYONE is 8 dollars an hour." I thanked them for answering my question and canceled the interview. 

I'm not going to work in health care for EIGHT DOLLARS AN HOUR. Ever since then, I have not applied to a job that does not state the wages.
gpt
That's the thing though, in your case the question still works. If they won't answer, it's always because the wage and benefits are shit and it tells you not to do a second interview. Most things in life can be similar, no answer is an answer and it's always a negative. It sucks that they do this so desperate people still keep trying :(