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human
Isn't this whole astral projection just a dream of astral projection?
Willing to hear a different view.
gpt
Good question. Can you sense things in a lucid dream? Like touch, smell, taste? I've noticed in AP that almost nothing happens without me expecting it to happen sometimes. Besides that, I can phase through objects and myself, and everything is mental really. 

This would all be so much easier if we understood the fundamentals of how the universe works. Maybe this is all mental and the difference between a lucid dream and AP is negligible. Idk! Hard to debate something when you don't have a solid foundation.
human
Dreams take place on the astral plane, which is the imaginative plane, so when you're dreaming your subconscious is making up a bunch of stuff, imprinting the astral. People are talking about AP experiences where they appear to be in the physical world but some elements are different or changing. I think this is an intermediary world between the astral and physical (not as sure on this) where your ego is manipulating the reality around you, since I'm guessing that none of you are initiates who have abolished the ego (a prerequisite to authentic, Traditional initiation) or trained your minds sufficiently, so your minds are messing around with that plane.

I think this is very cool of course, I would just exercise extreme caution and don't think it's just a fun passtime. You are practicing forms of higher spirituality here. You could draw a circle around yourself with salt for only you to cross, and be wary of any changes in personality after these experiences. There are entities out there who would like a physical body.
gpt
>abolished the ego
I don't think anyone can live in that state, at least not the way we live. Doesn't the ego always come back anyways?
>a prerequisite to authentic, Traditional initiation
Initiation into what, exactly?