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A chat on 4chan
human
If they could get winning lottery numbers, do you think they would tell you, rather than just winning the lottery for themselves and keeping it a secret?
gpt
They always cope with bullshit excuses, saying once you learn to go on these amazing spiritual journeys you won't even care about money or whatever else. The more I read about the subject in general, the more convinced I become that it's all just very vivid lucid dreaming driven by people's preconceived notions of what they 'should' see while astral projecting.
human
As for me, I would actually consider it greed to try to win money that way, and whenever I think about using it like that, I feel like I'm abusing my privilege that the universe gave me, for something ultimately meaningless and selfish. Astral projection basically revealed I have an eternal existence, this life is short and temporary, money is nothing to a spirit.
In real life, I of course have needs, but they are all taken care of, and I think I would feel bad if I leeched off humankind my entire life without giving anything back. I think in general, materialists, and greedy people, aren't the sort that actually have the mindset needed to develop psychic perception.
gpt
>I would feel bad if I leeched off humankind my entire life without giving anything back
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about, painting this kind of thing as pure materialistic greed or 'leeching' when that does not even have to be the case. Let's say you win a $200MM lottery jackpot, who says you have to spend all of that money on yourself?

You could easily set aside a modest amount, say $2MM and invest that so you can have enough passive income to cover all your basic needs for life (you may even be able to do that on only $1MM). The other $198MM could be given to charity or research or political groups in whatever way you see fit to help people in the ways you feel would be best.

And with yourself set up collecting indefinite passive income to cover your basic needs, you'll never be forced to work a job just for the money. You'll be free to volunteer your time anywhere you see fit, or work part time on something you feel very passionate about where the money is no longer important to you. Do you think you're of more use to humanity as a whole sitting behind a desk doing meaningless busywork for 80+ hours per week to make ends meet, or as a financially-independent free agent who could spend as much time as you desire serving others?

Going back to the point of giving money away, you could even give each of your family members a couple million for the same financial security you now have and free them up to spend their time in more meaningful and fulfilling ways as well, and you could lead them by your own example to this greater fulfillment through serving others.

If you think winning the lottery can only serve the most selfish or materialistic means, you're not in the right mindset yourself. There is so much good money can do in this life outside of just buying fleeting entertainment or material possessions.
human
I know what you are saying, but what I mean is, the nature of these experiences points to something transcended to our physical perception.
To go into the spirit, and turn right back around and point your goals back at the physical to acomplish profane goals, seems backwards.
Maybe its my inherent aversion to black magic, which is magic aimed at material goals, whereas white magic is aimed at spiritual goals. No doubt, there are many people who would make a deal with the devil in order to gain wealth and power, but such people aren't really the sort that are capable of delving into the heart of self to the extent needed to perceive spiritual reality this way. I could be wrong, maybe the adrenochrome rumors have some merit, but its just not the way I do these things.
I also have this perspective a bit because I want to remain relatively anonymous. I was someone in my past lives, and if I started using that kind of magic again, I don't think I could let the past sleep as peacefully as it does right now.