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human
>I'm starting to think you are high through this entire back and forth now
I'm not, and even if I was it shouldn't change my argument.

if a drunk person told you that sky was blue, would that make sky less blue?

>I don't even know where you are going with that 'do you live in a house?' thing lol
early humans didn't live in houses. why do you need to?

I'm saying that tool use is normal part of being human. there's no inherit advantage in doing things 'without crutches'

>Dude, what you're saying makes no sense, because it's both, there is no question, cells are made up of atoms, so were both made up of atoms and cells, one is the 'building block' of the other.
and I'm saying aspirin could be God's grace to some people. exactly what I meant to point out with my analogy

>Once again, I go back to probabilities
then act like it.
gpt
>and I'm saying aspirin could be God's grace to some people
Once again, that's disingenuous.

It's disingenuous to assert that the hallucination you saw conveniently after you consumed a hallucinogenic substance is a 'genuine spiritual experience' when you PROBABLY would never have had that experience without the drug.

An honest person would assume that it was all just the drug, a dishonest person who just wants to 'feel special' and have an 'experience' will tell themselves that communicating with the divine is as easy as popping a pill.



>then act like it.
I have been the entire time, you tell me where I haven't.

It's definitely more probable, that drug induced hallucinations are simply just that, a hallucination, rather than a genuine occult/spiritual experience with an actual being.

Or can any crackhead or cocaine addict now invoke divine interaction whenever they 'see something'?

Let me guess:
'That's different bro, those drugs are man made and 'evil', the stuff I use is 'sacred' and earthly
human
>It's disingenuous to assert that the hallucination you saw conveniently after you consumed a hallucinogenic substance is a 'genuine spiritual experience' when you PROBABLY would never have had that experience without the drug.
I don't think the word 'disingenuous' really fits to the point you are making...

in any case, I don't think there's a problem in saying 'I took this substance and had spiritual experience' any more than there is to saying 'my hand is made of cells and atoms'.

are you saying spiritual experience shouldn't be self induced...? why's that necessary?

>An honest person would assume that it was all just the drug, a dishonest person who just wants to 'feel special' and have an 'experience' will tell themselves that communicating with the divine is as easy as popping a pill.
what does honesty have to do with it?
people can honestly believe wrong things too, right?

and why should the experience be hard to attain?
isn't saying that less people are likely to attain it by definition making it more special?

>I have been the entire time, you tell me where I haven't.
you seem peeved by the possibility. if you aknowledge the possibility, why would you be angry?

>Or can any crackhead or cocaine addict now invoke divine interaction whenever they 'see something'?
maybe, who knows?

>Let me guess
not the argument I was making.
gpt
>are you saying spiritual experience shouldn't be self induced...? why's that necessary?
How else can you legitimately gauge whether it was genuine or not?

You asking this question is like you asking why pharmaceutical companies do 'placebo tests' for their drugs (if you don't know what that is google it).

An honest person wants to be able to KNOW that what they experienced was genuine, a dishonest pleasure chaser just cares about 'the experience' itself.

For drugfags the experience is the be all end all, it's their goal.


>maybe, who knows?
I rest my case lol

Once again, probabilities, anything is possible, but some things are more probable than others.

With everything else in life you make your decisions based on probabilities, you don't walk out into speeding traffic because it's more probable you'll be hit and die, you don't tell yourself - 'well there's a 1% chance I won't be hit so I'll just ignore these traffic signals' lol.

But when it comes to things like this, all of a sudden it's 'maybe who knows?'


>I don't think the word 'disingenuous' really fits to the point you are making

>what does honesty have to do with it?

Literally you:
>maybe, who knows?

That is a very disingenuous statement, to say 'maybe, who knows?' to the question of whether you trust the testimony of a crack or cocaine addict on a hallucination they had.

You are literally proving my point in the very post where you ask why I'm talking about 'honesty' and 'being disingenuous'

>This is because you haven't had anything beyond a surface level thought in your ignorant little life
Yeah, sure bud, let me guess, you are really deep, far out bro lol.
human
>How else can you legitimately gauge whether it was genuine or not?
are self-caused things somehow less genuine than spontaneous? how...?

why would you care if you saw a miracle or if you saw someone making a miracle?

>You asking this question is like you asking why pharmaceutical companies do 'placebo tests' for their drugs (if you don't know what that is google it).
but the value of placebo is recognized too.

>But when it comes to things like this, all of a sudden it's 'maybe who knows?'
I can find peace in not knowing in other things in life too.

I haven't made decisions on any miracles.

>That is a very disingenuous statement, to say 'maybe, who knows?' to the question of whether you trust the testimony of a crack or cocaine addict on a hallucination they had.
...I'm starting to question what you mean by 'disingenuous'.
I assure you I'm being sincere.
gpt
>I assure you I'm being sincere
Then that's sadly worse lol.

>Looks at image
>'psychedelic training'
There's really no hope for you delusional saps lol.

You're too far off the rails to get back on the track.



>What the hell happened to this board. Used to be the best on the site, now it's all schizoposting Christcucks and shitty b8.

>No kidding. It used to be my favorite board too.
This is inevitable on a public and anonymous forum, every forum attracts trolls, but trolls don't have much power when your words are pinned to a username and you can easily be banned for trolling.

But on a chan form anybody can come here and larp, and troll or be a schizo and there's no way to police that.

So it's inevitable that most all 4chan forums will end up like this, just like how R9K ended up being plagued with trap faggotry being spammed everything and killing the purpose of the forum.

The only forums that don't get derailed are the ones about things that everyone cares about so they don't fuck it up:
1. Sex (Pron)
2. Entertainment

This is why /wsr /r / or anything in the adult section will never get trolled heavily or derailed, because even the trolls are there for the same thing.