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human
Nail on the head. Ask the most ardent critics of ONA any serious questions about the fundamental ideas and values at the heart of the tradition, and they have nothing to offer. Whatever gets people talking about expands the thoughtform, I guess.
gpt
I've already criticized an idea at the heart of the tradition though, the idea that ritualized violence and human culling are necessary because predation is an essential part of natural law. It's nonsense because you can use natural law to justify literally anything, including the polar opposite of sacrificing randos, and because what you're doing is artificial and not needed for your survival. Niners who cull aren't wolves, they're just degenerate people who wanted to kill.

And I've sort of implicitly criticized the antinomianism too but since you need things spelled out, it's an excuse for people who already wanted to do horrible shit. This is why the numinous side of the tradition doesn't get nearly as much attention as the no limits evil shit. Even if Myatt is sincerely trying to teach a transcendent path he's doing so in such a way that all he attracts are absolute dregs. Been a while but I believe he even says almost as much in the Seafeonfaeld Paeth trilogy, that there are far too many Niners who get stuck in the phase of doing evil, which isn't supposed to be the point according to him, just a step along the 7FW.
human
>It's nonsense because you can use natural law to justify literally anything, including the polar opposite of sacrificing randos

I don't think there's any ONA text that advocates for murdering random people. And if there is, there is no ONA text that forbids the application of common sense. 

>Niners who cull aren't wolves, they're just degenerate people who wanted to kill.

I'm no more invested in the bad decisions of these people than you are, and I'm sympathetic to ONA.

>This is why the numinous side of the tradition doesn't get nearly as much attention as the no limits evil shit

This says more about human nature than it does ONA. I've seen plenty of BS threads about TOB, never once seen a serious discussion of the Star Game or the origins of the Rounwytha path, or whatever else you can think of. Nobody is forcing people to pay attention to Sutter.
gpt
Literally what is there to say about the Rounwytha way that Myatt hasn't said a million times. There's no dogma, no rules, no culling, no political activity, only a wordless rural knowing. Cool man. It's empty nonsense like 90% of O9A.

People are interested in the seedy side of O9A because it's actually hurting people, because it's fucking 99 Lodge tier, something that rarely exists outside of fiction, and because it's interesting to try to tease out just how much of an op it is and what purpose its serving.
human
I can't remember the exact quote and I'd have to go through episodes of Nexion zine to find it, but I know Moult talked about ONA as an old Welsh tradition, a kind of nativist Western occultism. This kind of tied into the Rounwytha stuff. How did you even come to knowing this much about Myatt? 

>People are interested in the seedy side of O9A because it's actually hurting people, because it's fucking 99 Lodge tier, something that rarely exists outside of fiction, and because it's interesting to try to tease out just how much of an op it is and what purpose its serving.

Chloe didn't condemn TOB, but I felt that was more a matter of principle than anything else. That she has no authority over them and they exist independent of WSA. I would condemn them, and I'm far less interested in this stuff than I am Western Occulstism, and occultism beyond kabbalah. Sadly TOB stuff dominates any ONA discussion here.
gpt
I've been studying these guys since 2017, that's how.

You're wrong and I believe it's Nexion 7.1 again that you should be looking at (could be wrong). She's explicitly said that she disliked them at first, especially after getting ousted as OR in favor of Jall, but that she came to like how evil they made the O9A look. She's made other comments like that here and there, taking veiled digs at Myatt for his ex-extremism thing basically.

Also in Nexion she describes the position of OR in a way that's completely incompatible with all the kollective/principle of individual authority shit. Mentions handing in literal resignation papers when she was ousted and says she hated the position because all of a sudden once she was OR, O9A became a chore of constantly approving projects, authorizing nexions and handling the business side of O9A. There's absolutely an inner circle of people who all know each other personally and who work in a coordinated way.

I've been in the same server as Ryan Fleming before and I can tell you from my own experience that anyone who's inner circle or old guard is worshipped by the no names.