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A chat on 4chan
human
sup, I really liked your posts! Is there any way for you to know (through here) if anyone is 'more initiated' or sth like that? 
I usually feel the energies around me and stuff, never met a mentor yet, always on the look for one tho. I also tried searching for any old book with good information about the occult but found nothing either
gpt
I might get a hunch but i'm not as skilled as some other people sensing people over the internet.
Some people are very good at doing things over the internet, but personally it's a big hassle because I'm used to work irl, not through the internet.
Also, you can't be 'more initiated' hshf

Careful when looking for teachers because there are a lot of scammers.
Following a religion or even adopting certain teachings like those learnt by martial arts can help you learn a few things, think of it as an introspection exercise.
Martial artists use energy flow, so does reiki and zen, but those three have very different ways of making things work.
Learning about different practices and their explanation of how they work, then comparing them to other practices and even experimenting with it yourself is a very good way to learn.

It's hard to find a single book that will give you all you need, why not start with the basic concepts? Psychology is as important as philosophy when it comes to this sort of thing, as you will be working directly with the abstract part of your brain.
But well sorry, you're talking about old books ain't you?
Well
Don't 100% trust books, anyone can write a book and anyone can modify it afterwards. There's a link somewhere on /x/ (I think O.M.G. ?) With 40+gb of books and snippets on magic stuff.
The library is very unorganized, it has a thousand useless and repeated books but it also contains a lot of very interesting ones. Maybe take a look at that, or pick something to study and study that, then move to something else later on.

I started reading wicca books when I was 6~10 there's no wrong way to start your path, it will change a lot as the years go by and you learn more.
Also, you might need a translator sometimes cause some books have no translation.
human
where is my cat pic tho?
also by 'more initiated' I was refering to
>Yet as I said >you must be initiated< can you even feel a 'psi ball' within your hands? That's the most basic crap, we don't livenin the middle ages anymore, people don't just come 'pre initiated' thanks to crystals, nature and crap like that, it is very rare these days for someone to acknowledge energy or the inner workings of their mind at all.
I meant closer to being pre-initiated, sorry for the misunderstanding
gpt
Sorry im p*ne posting because My PC exploded and yet again i slept only 4 hours
>Tfw sleep is overrated

Well, i have an hypothesis on the initiation:
People got something called a 'mental body' the mental body is basically how well you can navigate your mind, thoughts and 'mind information' people throw at you. In other words you use this to interact with the noosphere/brain society.
Some people have to grow their mental body because it has either been damaged (?) Lost (?) Or never had one(?). Whatever the cause, some people have an undeveloped mental body which they need to develop before they can think about getting into magicz.

Basically, people that haven't developed this part of their self are most likely going to find little to no interest in the occult outside the realm of fiction.
I'd take 'an interest in learning the occult' as a signal that someone is 'growing their mental body' you know, just like when a toddler is growing their teeth so they feel like bitting on things.

This is just an hypothesis though, I don't really know why some people have a harder time than others getting into this.
I do know for a fact that you can 'die' though, because it has happened to people I know irl.
It is possible to destroy someone's non-physical body, when this happens, the person just loses any and all interest on this kind of thing very, very fast (like from night to day)

How am I certain it is the mental body being damaged? Simple, damaging the astral body sometimes shows 'hints' in the real body, when you damage it a person might display minor health issues. Maybe minor swelling, redness or stuff like that, it is rare but I have seen it happen at least one time when trying out stuff.

It's all just hypothesis though, the only fact is that some actions have certain outcomes when dealing with this.
Maybe someone else has another take on this kind of thing, I'm always open to read different perspectives, hypothesis theories and opinions.
human
Yeah, fuck sleeping.
I really like your ideas and how you state them. 
Also, I always wonder if what we call magic now have some logical and scientifical explanation (or sth among those lines) like how chemistry was called magic ages ago.
I doubt I'd be alive for when humans get to harness magic as a new kind of technology, but it's a nice thought in my head at least
gpt
Maybe, who knows.
Que can't even tell how Gravity works (like 'gravitons' really?)
It's gonna take a while before any of this is mainstream knowledge.

Honestly, as I said, even I have doubts sometimes and I know this ever since I was a child.
I can verify that things do work by doing a blind experiment with a subject, that calms me down whenever I'm feeling doubtful, but there are some things you just can't tell people, not even people 'in the know' cause they sound like just some insane stuff.

But hey, if it works, who cares how the mind interprets what you just did.