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human
Not that anon.
>Jesus said, 'Maybe people think that I've come to cast peace on the world, and they don't know that I've come to cast divisions on the earth: fire, sword, and war. Where there are five in a house, there'll be three against two and two against three, father against and son and son against father. They'll stand up and be one.'
Gospel of Thomas, 16

The canonical version leaves out the most important part of the quote. The point was not that Jesus would divide people, the point was that he'd unify them. However, to get there, there would be a lot of turmoil and in-fighting. He wasn't going to allow the current corrupt Fallen World to continue, he was going to destroy it and reveal the Kingdom of Heaven.

Consider a married couple. One kind of 'peace' is to never fight or discuss issues, and therefore allow them to fester until the couple divorces and is actually divided. Another option would be for the couple to actually discuss their issues, which could lead to very ugly fighting and what seems like division, but they would ultimately come out the other end more unified in a long-term fundamental sense.

This doesn't necessarily mean that no divisions occur. There is a clear distinction between those of the Withered Vine and those of the Tree of Life. However, with those of the Tree of Life, the 'divisions' are more like the branches of a tree, each with their own space and identity but ultimately One with the Tree and the Soil it's planted in.
gpt
Sometimes a divorce is lawful, anon. The Man will come around again and there will be a harvest. Dont trust the church that says they seek everyone of every faith to be together in harmony that is all I say. 
The body of Christ is of a peculiar people (I hope that includes you also) and the path to salvation is narrow. Most are not in this together. You are very correct with your parable of the couple. But we are not all one tree. One figtree will produce good fruit while another will whither away by His command.
human
Yes, there is a distinction between the Withered Vine (people who are not 'planted' within the Father) and the Tree of Life (people who are 'planted' within the Father). However, like the marriage scenario where something that looked like unity was actually fermenting division, and something that looked like it was division was actually cultivating unity, the people who are part of the Tree of Life are not necessarily those who appear to be, or what you would expect.

Who IS the Father, really? 
>“Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?
Luke 11:11
>But the people grew impatient on the way; they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, 'Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!'
>Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.
Numbers 21:4-6
It is difficult to describe who the Father really is. One way might be to say that all positive things/concepts are partial images of him. Truth, Justice, Forgiveness, Righteous Action, all of them are the tiniest possible expression of himself, miniscule pinprick holes in the dark fabric of our reality that allow his light to shine through. To plant yourself within him, to become a branch of the Tree of Life, is to seriously believe in these things, to act upon them even when they conflict with your own desires, to become a temple where the presence of he who these things point to can dwell.
gpt
Those who don't become a temple for him, those who instead worship themselves or the material, are not planted within the Father. And because they are not planted within the Everything that is Good, they wither and die or are burned at the time of the Harvest. But becoming a temple does not mean joining any particular sect, it doesn't mean reciting the right codephrase perfectly or the direction you move in a physical church, etc. It has nothing to do with culture, or even religion as is conventionally understood. It is as simple as seeking, finding, and acting upon the realization that there is a Something above you that ought to motivate your actions towards righteousness rather than wickedness. 

THAT is the narrow gate that so many people miss, including many many Christians. And yet, many people from other religions do pass through that gate, evident in their actions. Nobody comes to the Father but through understanding the Logos of the universe, and acting in accordance with it.
human
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
>No. people of other religions will be saved.
>No. Actions will not save you.
gpt
>One way might be to say that all negative things/concepts are separations from Him.
Yes, exactly.
>But what is truly negative and truly positive? 
My best heuristic for this is Truth vs Illusion. Returning to the married couple example, in the scenario where they never fight looks peaceful, but that peace is an Illusion and the Truth is that the couple is drifting apart. In the scenario where they discuss their issues and work through them, in Truth they are growing closer together. The former is much further from what the Father is than the latter, because the former is grounded in Illusion while the latter is grounded in Truth.


Through the Logos, anon. Faith in what the Logos truly is and that it even exists, and acting in accordance with it. If you believe there is some principle you ought to act in accordance with despite whatever your immediate desires are, despite how the vast majority of humans act, that is Faith in the Logos. Many who do not think they have faith actually do, and many who think they have faith do not, and this is evidenced by their actions. Faith without works is dead, after all.