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human
please clarify you're not poster of the parent post of the post you're responding to before hijacking

the burden of proof rests on the promotor of any given solution, they have proven to me to be unreliable.
I am not claiming that I have an alternative ready that will work for everyone or that a general solution to 'schizophrenia' and other forms of paranoid delusion could even exist, but I am doing the work of showing that there are individuals who manage to not rely on said industry.
gpt
there will always be outliers that can function without modern medical assistance, but you're a fucking fool if you think that the alternative of no treatment or self medicating with any combination of drugs is an acceptable alternative for someone who is hallucinating or in the midst of mania or psychosis.

It is our society that makes people like us sick, of that much we can agree upon, however this does not mean that society's solution is wrong, and no amount of hocus pocus or talk on /x/ is going to convince me otherwise that I should not be medicated when I am displaying mania or early psychosis.
human
thanks for calling me special and unique, and nowhere did I suggest any treatment. I don't 'evangelize' or even mention my solutions, you however are still shilling your solution of 'take these drugs from these people' to others based only on claims claims for which proof is not forthcoming.
I don't care how you choose to solve your problems, just don't try to force your solutions on others.
gpt
unfortunately, we do not get to decide whether these drugs are force upon us or not. That is the law in my country. When we are out of control, the medical system intervenes and places us on involuntary treatment orders until we prove that we are capable of managing our own mental illness. I am not on an involuntary treatment order, but I recognise the necessity of such laws because of my aversion, similar to yours, to authority and the medical system in general. 

Despite this aversion, which I have since overcome, I have come to realise that I needed the assistance.

So, don't tell me that I'm forcing these pills on you, I'm not. The law is. The law that is designed to ensure that society is a place where everyone can live in something that resembles harmony. Whilst society may not be perfect, and the laws that govern it may not be perfect or infallible, I'd rather that these laws existed and caught me before I did harm to myself or others.

I didn't have a choice when I was psychotic or manic, but I didn't have the capacity to choose either. You don't seem to understand or, at least, respect the lack of capacity one has when they are manic or psychotic. This leads me to believe that you haven't suffered from mania or psychosis, or that you are in your early to mid twenties and still don't have a good enough grasp on the occurrences that happened to you when you were manic or psychotic.

If you have suffered mania or psychosis, you realise you are avidly defending your dopamine rush just like a junkie. It's really quite ironic.

So which is it? Ever had psychosis or mania? Then you, as psychiatrists would state on your assessment, lack a fundamental understanding of your own illness.

If you haven't suffered psychosis or mania, then you're talking shit about shit that you have no grasp of at all.
human
I did not get to decide whether there was an attempt to force these drugs on me, but I was prepared to fight it tooth and nail and I succeeded in staving off contact with psychiatric medicine. the only exception being my stint with methylfenidate, which I got as a gift from a friend who got it legally.
so no, I in fact did get to choose by a hairsbreadth, and I'm posting to make it obvious to others that they may well get to choose as well.
I disagree on 'aversion to authority' being a justification for the application of force, firstly there can be no such justification at all, secondly the argument is absurd and amounts to 'if you say no (against my words, e.g. suck my D), I then get to rape you', and that's a mild comparison because long-term chemical injection is similarly if not more invasive than literal rape, it goes directly into your bloodstream and is an artificially distilled substance.

I am also aware of where those laws come from, and they thrive specifically on populations which are unaware of law ethics and how to refuse participation in injustice. no law is forcing pills into me, they tried once because I gave them a chance, I failed and learned how they were able to in the first place, that's over.

you then proceed onto another false dichotomy, being 'I either assume the law is just or I can't have law', no. I support the law where I know it to be just, I support change or abolishment of laws I kmow to be unjust, and I keep my uninformed opinions on laws I know nothing about to myself.

I'll point you to one choicere.: manic, psychotic; you could've rejected the verbiage from the start. I'm not going to blame you for that because it takes a currently extraordinary vigilence to weigh each word as it first arrives, but it is a real thing you could've done. 'psychosis, wtf are you talking about? what does that mean?'

I reject both terms because I there inventors and pushers to be unreliable, and because they're not from my culture.
gpt
>I disagree on 'aversion to authority' being a justification for the application of force, firstly there can be no such justification at all, secondly the argument is absurd and amounts to 'if you say no (against my words, e.g. suck my D), I then get to rape you', and that's a mild comparison because long-term chemical injection is similarly if not more invasive than literal rape, it goes directly into your bloodstream and is an artificially distilled substance.
Absolutely fucking this.
If you're THAT criminally insane then you should be in some sort of jail.