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human
>People who try to cheat the system don't end well.
You are assuming one has to cheat, do you think there isn't someone who values another person more than their own soul.

So now this person gets off easy, and gets the power you'd have to sacrifice your soul for, just for the life of one person.

All because a random serious of variables led to their birth, the specific upbringing they got, the specific experiences they had, etc, all these random events shaped what they value and who they are.

Because of all those random events, they get to basically sacrifice nothing to get everything?

Sorry, that's ridiculous, it doesn't work like that.

No demon is going to go up to someone and say - 'Well souls are valuable, but seeing as you value your girl friend more than your soul, how about you kill this woman you will replace after a few years of mourning'

That's too convenient.
gpt
>well.
>You are assuming one has to cheat, do you think there isn't someone who values another person more than their own soul.
>So now this person gets off easy, and gets the power you'd have to sacrifice your soul for, just for the life of one person.
You aren't getting it.
You get what you value equal to what you sacrifice.
Your sacrifice must be of equal or greater personal value to you,than the reward is to you. Nothing is free, even with magic.
If the desired result of your ritual is of greater value to you than the value of your sacrifice, you won't get the result. Not in full. The more valuable to you your sacrifice is the more it works.
It is not about some abstract objective cosmic value. It is about how much you will give, and how much you want back.
Nothing is free.
human

Furthermore your conceptualisation of value betrays your own inability to value anything beyond yourself.
>So now this person gets off easy
Sacrificing what you value most is the opposite of getting off easy. Because YOU value it most.

>No demon is going to go up to someone and say - 'Well souls are valuable, but seeing as you value your girl friend more than your soul, how about you kill this woman you will replace after a few years of mourning'
That's exactly how it works. What do you think the ancients sacrificing their own children was about?
And you won't replace them if you truly valued them that much. The sacrifice will haunt you and mark you.
And if you don't really value them that much and pretend, your magic won't work the way you want and the universe will know.
gpt
>And you won't replace them if you truly valued them that much
Yet people get remarried every day after being widowed

>You get what you value equal to what you sacrifice
There's no such thing as equal value based on your own rules, it's all subjective.

Sacrifice might not even be required in such a chaotic universe, for what did the Gods sacrifice to be Gods?, some of them simply always existed as such and sacrificed nothing.

In a universe so lacking of a meritocratic structure it just seems like people are imposing the human concept of 'fair trade' onto the universe so that things 'make sense'.

Whose to say you can't just claim power for yourself through some other means.
human
>Yet people get remarried every day after being widowed
Betraying the true extent to which they valued the person.
Many people think they're in love during a hormonal rush and years later reflect on it and realise better, feeling nothing.
Meanwhile sometimes you still have lingering feelings years later.
Which is more true value, do you think?
>There's no such thing as equal value based on your own rules, it's all subjective.
That's precisely the point, your own subjective value, you cannot gain something of greater subjective value to yourself than what you sacrifice, merely a different thing of comparable value.
>Whose to say you can't just claim power for yourself through some other means.
Because nothing comes without a cost.
gpt
>fatalastic. Why does your idea have to die because another's is 'correct'.
Isn't it obvious?

Sacrifice is either a requirement or a self imposed restriction, it's an either or scenario.

Don't respond with any ridiculous contrarian nonsense because it isn't 'both'.

If you can attain the same power without sacrifice and you choose to sacrifice, that's a self imposed restriction.


>Indeed. In most case, It's not about which is wrong or which is right, but which is 'better'.
I wouldn't use 'wrong' or 'right', those words are loaded with moral implications, I'd use 'true' or 'false'.

The question - 'Is sacrifice a requirement?'

When I said:

>Whose to say you can't just claim power for yourself through some other means.

I was told:

>Because nothing comes without a cost.

That is the position I'm arguing, these positions are diametrically opposed, they are mutually exclusive. One is true and the other is false.