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human
Last thread was very popular and very interesting. So here's another one.

FYI, i am a person who likes to read books and has been very involved with spirituality for 25ish years.
gpt
>i am a person who likes to read books and has been very involved with spirituality for 25ish years

Good day

I'm hoping you aren't an 'armchair magician' but that's what I'm expecting based on what you said.

What is an entry level spell/magic that a beginner can do, that can be:

1. Observed while fully awake and not in a trance

 2. Tested in real time so coincidence or luck isn't a factor

3. Repeated in real time to rule out any natural explanations.


For example, lets say I have a sheet of paper

What are the steps involved for a beginner heating up a piece of paper until it catches fire (through the use of sigils or servitors and no external spirits/entities)

Or another similar task that meets the three criteria I listed

You see it's so common for people who claim they've done magic to always give examples of things that cannot be observed and tested

How would any of us know if you are just a schizo, delusional, or larping?

The only way to know is to do a test that meets the three criteria above.

Because it can't be 'speculated' or 'faked', it would be undeniably magic when we pull it off.

Anybody can say they 'felt and energy' or 'communed with a spirit', and all that could just be in your head and part of your personal delusions.
human

I want to know this too.
gpt
I'm hoping they see it and actually have an answer. I'm starting to think they abandoned their thread.

I like to get straight to the specifics and not play semantic word games.

If I'm being honest, I'm expecting to be disappointed, and get some dismissive response of 'that's not how magic works'

The truth is, they never have an answer because none of them has ever done REAL magic.

They are all just schizos, delusional poor saps, or larps having fun playing pretend.

Maybe one day I'll find someone who gives me something to experiment with and they prove me wrong, but I doubt it.
human
People do mistake me for a person like that a lot. Probably because in both posts i emphasized reading books more than needed. 

For as much as i know the magic theory, there needs to be a source of energy that can be used for the magic and similar phenomena. Beginners don't really have a huge source they can use or any good control over energy, so i don't really know how a beginner can cast a spell to light a paper. Personally it took me more than 5 years meditating and few months of practicing before i can use pyrokinesis. No matter my answer, i would appreciate if you could guve the spell you are talking about or at least tell the theory behind it. 

Only similar thing i saw to what you described is something another person did. They used a sigil they made and draw on paper to take the 'life energy' of some bugs then used the same sigil to heal a wound. I still can't replicate the same effect i saw in that day. 

Well, i don't really have answer for this but i am really interested in a magic that enables a beginner to light a paper. Can you enlighten me about the subject or at least show some resources i can learn from? I don't really care if i am seen delusional or larping. 


Initiation into the hermetics imo. I have read Tao Te Ching and a few more but i didn't really got into taoism or chinese sorcery. 


Like i said. If you can show me how to do that, i can disregard most of what i learned and start from the bottom for all i care. What i know of magic can't create an effect like that from a beginner because of lack of energy and control. If you show me a spell like that, i will try immediately.
gpt
1. How would you rate the reading list in this image?


2. Where should one start for 'increasing their energy source'

Like what specific books with a specific form of meditation/training

What books/methods did you use?


>Only similar thing i saw to what you described is something another person did. They used a sigil they made and draw on paper to take the 'life energy' of some bugs then used the same sigil to heal a wound. I still can't replicate the same effect i saw in that day.
3. Do you have a source for this or a contact for that person, I'd like something to test the whole energy thing on.


4. Do you know of a step by step process for 'becoming a mage'?