Tell me more ×  I recently started at a new company, with a
handful of programmers. Its a medium sized company, with around
70 employees, but IT only has 9-10, and there are 3
"programmers" beside myself. However, these guys have very
limited experience and are doing a lot of stuff really terribly.
For example, one of our projects is a PHP website. The majority
of the code is stored in a 20,000 line PHP controller, with
~6000 lines of JavaScript embedded in the PHP.  I keep making
small suggestions here and there but nobody has been listening,
everyone says they are too busy to implement my suggestions. The
thing is, they shouldn't be that busy, and wouldn't be if things
were done right. They spend most of their time fixing things
that keep breaking. If each project was built correctly, I could
do it all myself.  What approach should I take to convince these
guys or the manager that things need to change, and that
changing things will save a bunch of time? Should I skip trying
to convince my coworkers and go