DEBATE    AIR DATE: June 10, 2013     GWEN IFILL: We return now
to the story of Edward Snowden, the 29- year-old former CIA
employee and intelligence contractor who's admitted leaking
government secrets. Is he a criminal who put Americans at risk,
or is he a hero who told Americans what they need to know about
how closely their government is watching them?  We have two
points of view on that from Jane Harman, a former nine-term
member of Congress who was the top Democrat on the House
Intelligence Committee. She's now president of the Woodrow
Wilson International Center. And author and journalist James
Bamford, who has written extensively about the NSA and other
intelligence agencies.  Welcome to you both.  JAMES BAMFORD,
Author, "The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA From 9/11 to
the Eavesdropping on America": Thank you.  GWEN IFILL: So, James
Bamford, is Edward Snowden a leaker or a whistleblower?  JAMES
BAMFORD: Well, he's definitely a whistleblower. He's not
profiting from this in any way. He's going to