     Kilduff: That sounds like a very valid outsider's critique,
but how ... do you get this done inside a very elaborate system?
De Geus: You cannot. My point is, if Gavin is going to be the
CEO of the state, he has to appoint a CEO of education that is
empowered (by) a fundamental redesign of the architecture.  Ken
McNeely, California president, AT&T: I absolutely agree. As a
large employer in the state, we're simply not able to get the
qualified applicants that we need. I think we've lost a
generation. I think we're ready for a complete overhaul, and I
think something has to happen, or businesses are going to go
where they can find the talent that they need; and,
unfortunately, that may not be in the state of California. It
may not be in the United States.  Ellen Moir, executive
director, UC Santa Cruz New Teacher Center: Someone has to "own"
public education in this state and be aggressive about it. Our
school system, with a school board ... are often lovely, smart
people, but dysfunctional. They don't h