strings: So how is it possible for the self not to experience ? One can see that the state of creation is not at all the experience of the self. Creation is when the selfis not there, because creation is not intellectual, is not of the mind, is not self-projected, is something beyond all experiencing. So is it possible for the mind to be quite still, in a state of non-recognition, or nonexperiencing, to be in a state in which creation can take place, which means when the selfis not there, when the self is absent? The problem is this, is it not? Any movement of the mind, positive or negative, is an experience which actually strengthens the 'me'. Is it possible for the mind not to recognize ? That can only take place when there is complete silence, but not the silence which is an experience of the self and which therefore strengthens the self.