This is for the Echo Canyon trail.\n\nThis is probably one of my least favorite valley hikes. It looks cool from the road, and people talk about it like it's something so amazing, but It's way too crowded. A lot of the people who hike here seem to be competing with everyone, and are quite rude. No response to hello, and at least one occasion I have heard people talk trash about fellow hikers who they have passed.\n\nParking is severely limited. I like my mountains mountainy. On this trail, you go up about a million stair steps before getting to anything good. That is, if the parade of d-bags doesn't turn you off enough to leave. \n\nIt did kick my ass the couple times I've hiked it though, so that's good. The best time to go is early in the morning, when it's still dark out. Bring head lamps.