The Persian Race or the "Iranian Race"

Sunday, October 23, 2005

Do Iranians have hooked noses?

You can ask another question. Are Swedes Nordics? No. They are not nordics. Do Swedes look like Africans? Yes. They can look like Africans. How did I get this answer? I included all Swedish citizens in Swede. The problem with the original question is there is no "Iranian Race" to generalize hooked noses about. The Irano-Afghan race is a mixture of Azeris, Persians and Afghans plus 20 other ethnic groups such as Turkomans. This category is called a hooked nose category. In reality there are different ethnic groups in this category and no generalization is possible. Persians (unmixed) do not have hooked noses. Azeris such as President Khatami has a hooked nose. The right question is Do Persians have hooked Noses? and Do Azeris have hooked noses?

Confusing and distorting the concept of racial identity is a favourite method of Azerist position. The Azerist heavily rely on the concept of Caucausian and Mediternaean. They conclude that "Iranian race" is caucausian and mediternean therefore it has a hooked nose. Both these concepts are very unclear applied to the "Iranian race". Mediteranean puts together whites and white looking non-whites as a mediteranean race. Both Arabs and Gypsies are members of mediterranean race. This is despite Iran is not even located near the mediteranean sea. Arabs and Azeris and Persians and Swedes are caucasians. So this concept can not describe anything useful about any race in terms of the nose shape. Some go even as far as saying that "The Persian Lurs have semitic origin". I have posted many picutures showing that Persians do not have hooked noses. Please see here for "Irano-Afghan Race" fraud.

The following is an Azerist point of view concerning hooked nose question. It tries to mix Azeris with Persians and call it "Iranian" to create confusion:

Azerist No.1:

Azerist No. 2:

Azerist No.3:

Caucasian Definition

In physical anthropology, Caucasian (Varietas Caucasia) is a race that includes most of the natives of Northern, Eastern and Central Europe, West and central Asia, North Africa, and as far east as the Indian subcontinent. This category was first proposed by the German scientist Johann Friedrich Blumenbach (1752-1840), who coined the term in his treatise "On the Natural Varieties of Mankind" in 1775. His studies based the classification of the Caucasian race primarily on skull features, which Blumenbach claimed were optimized by Georgian people, one of the indigenous peoples of the Caucasus.


There is currently extensive debate on the scientific validity of racial classifications, and many people reject systems of racial classification as inherently arbitrary and subject to wide divergences in most populations. But Caucasian remains a common term in North America to describe whites of northern, eastern and western European descent. Southern Europeans are often termed as 'Latins'. Caucasian peoples of Asian, African, or Mediterranean origin are generally excluded from the popular definition of Caucasian. As a matter of fact, the term retains some accuracy only when applied to forensic anthropology in North America. Its relevance is debatable as a physical anthropological, ethnic/cultural or socio-political concept.

While the term Caucasian is still used for the lack of a better word in describing the peoples of western Eurasia, careful speakers generally limit the term to describe the Iberian-Caucasian peoples and the inhabitants of Asia Minor, especially when describing any specific ethnic or cultural traits.

Popularly, the word "white" is used synonymously with "Caucasian" in North America, especially in government terms.

Caucasian (geography)

In geography, the term Caucasian is used to refer to some 40 distinct ethnic groups in the Caucasus region of eastern Europe. For more information on Caucausian ethnology, see the Caucasus article.

Are Azeris Persians?

Are Azeris Persians?: The Azeri nationalist claim that Azeris are Persians but speak Turkish language. They also claim that they originate from Medes.



I was following a discussion on the Origin of Azeris. Many Iranian Azeris in Iran claim that they only speak a turkish language but they are ethnically Persian. Also Azeri nationalist try to underestimate the number of Iranian Azeris. They claim that Azeris are moving into Persian areas and Azeris are decreasing in number. He further claimed that Azeris are no more than 18 million in Iran. Officially Azeris are 24 million. But the true figure is around 40 million. Somebody estimated that the number of Azeris with mixed persian heritage is not more than 2 to 3 million people. Azeri nationalist claim that most Azeris are partly Persian or they are turkic speaking Persians. Also Azeri nationalist claim Tehran is 20 million in population. The real figure is 12 million people.

But the most interesting exchange was this between a Turk from Turkey and an Iranian Azeri:

Iranian Azeri

Turk from Turkey:
You drive me crazy with such nonsens!!
Böyle piçleri hala ne konusturuyon burda seko??!!