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Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:50 am
 by product vs meal??? confusion... lamb meal?

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chicken by product:
Poultry by-product meal is a high-protein commodity used as a major component in some pet foods. It is made from grinding clean, rendered parts of poultry carcasses and can contain bones, offal and undeveloped eggs, but only contains feathers that are unavoidable in the processing of the poultry parts.[1] Poultry by-product meal quality and composition can change from one batch to another.

Chicken by-product meal, like poultry by-product, is made of "dry, ground, rendered clean parts of the chicken carcass" according to AAFCO and may contain the same ingredients as poultry-by product. Chicken by-product can vary in quality from batch to batch. Chicken by-product costs less than chicken muscle meat and lacks the digestibility of chicken muscle meat

chicken meal:
Chicken meal is a commonly-used ingredient in pet foods. It is defined by the AAFCO as "the dry rendered product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with accompanying bone, derived from whole carcasses of chicken thereof, exclusive of feathers and skin".

lamb meal:
Lamb meal is a popular ingredient in dog food.[1] It is the dry rendered part from mammal tissues, specially prepared for feeding purposes by tanking under live steam or dry rendering. Though the meat has been cooked, dried, and ground, it is still meat, and has not had any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents added to it.

It sounds to me like chicken meal and by product are very similar... My dog eats natures recipe, its first ingridient is lamb meal.

**QUESTION! does this mean he is eating the meat of the lamb or something else?? what exactly is "mammal tissues"??

Same with chicken meal?? is that the chicken meat? like breast meat and thigh and that or is it just the left overs?? If so isnt that the same as by product??

im confused now! 10 points!
stop breeding get a real job:

but isnt organs and bones "garbage"??? It doesnt say its meat or the whole lamb... sounds to me like it doesnt have the good actual "meat"...

Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:30 am
 Re: by product vs meal??? confusion... lamb meal?

Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 4:50 am
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Chicken By-Product meal can contain virtually anything that is left over from the chicken, and is generally not good.

Chicken Meal is the whole meats, dehydrated like it has to be to make a dry dog food. Pretty much everything BUT by-products.

And Yes, Lamb Meal means that they are eating Lamb.

But Nature's Recipe is a fairly bad, low quality dog food. I suggest looking into something better.

Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:40 am

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"by product" is basically the "leftovers" after the meat has been butchered.. this is basically just the garbage peices.. feathers, feets, eggs, etc

"by product meal" is the garbage leftovers that have had the moisture removed

"meal" is the whole meat, organs and bones that has had the moisture removed.. no garbage peices.

You want the whole meal.. not "by products" or "by product meal"

Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:41 am

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chicken by-product = any parts of the chicken (aside from added feathers). It'll be leftover junk from human food processing.

chicken by-product meal = chicken by-product that has been ground and dried.

chicken meal = chicken meat, skin, and bone that has been ground and dried.

When an ingredient says 'meal', it means that there's more of it packed in there than a moist ingredient of the same name. Ingredients have to be listed in order of weight, but some ingredients are really high in moisture (ie 70%). In the process of turning ingredients into kibble, almost all of that moisture is removed, and you're left with very little of the actual nutrients.

If you apply that reasoning, chicken or lamb meal are actually very good ingredients to see. If the first ingredient in a food is 'lamb meal', you know the food has a lot of good lamb content in it. If the first ingredient was just 'lamb', your food would probably have more of its second and third ingredients on a dry matter base: a little lamb and a lot of water. In the same way though, by-product meal (or any other meal of an ingredient you don't want) is bad because it means you're getting a high by-product content on a dry matter basis.

Make sure to look closely at the first 5 or 6 ingredients too, not only the first 1 or 2. If meat or meat meal is followed by 4 grains, then there's more grain in there than meat :P

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