The Giants Lost in History

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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:18 am » by Vulcanic

For those of you interested in Ancient Giants this is the thread for you. We will explore all avenues and try to connect all the dots, Lets start on the most known of them.

Jewish scriptures

The Bible tells of giants called Nephilim before and after the Flood:

"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward when the sons of the rulers would consort with the daughters of man, who would bear to them. They were the mighty who, from old, were men of devastation. HASHEM saw that the wickedness of Man was great upon the earth, and that every product of the thoughts of his heart was but evil always." Genesis 6:4-5 (The Stone Edition Tanach, Mesorah Publications, Ltd.)

The nephilim were presumably destroyed in the Flood, but further giants are reported in the Torah, including the Anakites (Numbers 13:28-33), the Emites (Deuteronomy 2:10), and, in Joshua, the Rephaites (Joshua 12:4).

The Bible also tells of Gog and Magog, who later entered into European folklore, and of the famous battle between David and the Philistine giant Goliath. The 1st century historian Josephus, and the 1st-2nd century BCE Dead Sea Scrolls give Goliath's height as "four cubits and a span," approximately 2.00 m or about six feet seven inches.

Christian scriptures


The King James Bible (KJV) reports the giant Goliath as "six cubits and a span" in height—over nine feet tall, (over 2.75 m) (1 Samuel 17:4 KJV), but the Septuagint, a Greek Bible, also gives Goliath's height as "four cubits and a span" (~2.00 m).

In Islam, Prophet Mohamed stated that God (Allah) originally created Adam about 30 meters tall, and since then, his offspring are getting shorter.

In Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 8, Book 74, Number 246: Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'walaikum salam (And upon you be peace). The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. People have been decreasing in stature since Adam`s creation."

In Hinduism, the giants are called Daityas. The Daityas (दैत्‍य) were the children of Diti and the sage Kashyapa who fought against the gods or Devas because they were jealous of their Deva half-brothers. Since Daityas were a power-seeking race, they sometimes allied with other races having similar ideology namely Danavas and Asuras. Daityas along with Danavas and Asuras are sometimes called Rakshasas, the generic term for a demon in Hindu mythology. Some known Daityas include Hiranyakashipu and Hiranyaksha. The main antagonist of the Hindu epic Ramayana, Ravana, was a Brahmin from his father's side and a Daitya from his mother's side. His younger brother Kumbhakarna was said to be as tall as a mountain and was quite good natured.

Greek mythology


Roman mythology
Several Jupiter-Giant-Columns have been found in Germania Superior. These were crowned with a statue of Jupiter, typically on horseback, defeating or trampling down a Giant, often depicted as a snake. They are restricted to the area of south-western Germany, western Switzerland, French Jura and Alsace.

Norse mythology
In Norse mythology, the Jotun (jötnar in Old Norse, a cognate with ettin) are often opposed to the gods. While often translated into "giants", most are described as being roughly human sized. Some are portrayed as huge, such as frost giants (hrímþursar), fire giants (eldjötnar), and mountain giants (bergrisar).



An old Icelandic legend says that two night-prowling giants, a man and a woman, were traversing the fjord near Drangey Island with their cow when they were surprised by the bright rays of daybreak. As a result of exposure to daylight, all three were turned into stone. Drangey represents the cow and Kerling (supposedly the female giant, the name means "Old Hag") is to the south of it. Karl (the male giant) was to the north of the island, but he disappeared long ago.


Balt mythology
According to Balt legends, the playing of a girl giantess named Neringa on the seashore formed the Curonian Spit ("neria, nerge, neringia" means land which is diving up and down like a swimmer). This giant child also appears in other myths (in some of which she is shown as a young strong woman, similar to a female version of the Greek Heracles). "Neringa" is the name of a modern town on the spot.

Bulgarian mythology

Basque mythology

However, giants show different variants and forms, they are most frequently referred to as jentilak and mairuak, while as individuals they can be represented as Basajaun ('the lord of the forests'), Sanson (development of the biblical Samson), Errolan (based on the Frankish army general Roland fall dead in the Battle of Roncevaux Pass) or even Tartalo (a one-eyed giant akin to the Greek Cyclops).


Medieval romances such as Amadis de Gaul feature giants as antagonists, or, rarely, as allies. This is parodied famously in Cervantes' Don Quixote, when the title character attacks a windmill, believing it to be a giant. This is the source of the phrase tilting at windmills.

Tales of combat with giants were a common feature in the folklore of Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Celtic giants also figure in Breton and Arthurian romances perhaps as a reflection of the Nordic and Slavic mythology that arrived on the boats, and from this source they spread into the heroic tales of Torquato Tasso, Ludovico Ariosto, and their follower Edmund Spenser. In the small Scottish village of Kinloch Rannoch, a local myth to this effect concerns a local hill that apparently resembles the head, shoulders, and torso of a man, and has therefore been termed 'the sleeping giant'. Apparently the giant will awaken only if a specific musical instrument is played near the hill. Other giants, perhaps descended from earlier Germanic mythology, feature as frequent opponents of Dietrich von Bern in medieval German tales - in later portrayals Dietrich himself and his fellow heroes also became giants.




In Kalevala, Antero Vipunen is a giant shaman that possesses mighty spells dating to the creation. Epic hero Väinämöinen sets out to learn these spells from him, but Vipunen is buried underground, and when Väinämöinen digs him out, he is accidentally swallowed by Vipunen. Väinämöinen then forces Vipunen to submit and sing the spells out by hammering his insides. An analysis by Martti Haavio is that Vipunen is not physically large, but his familiar animal (astral form) is a whale. The depiction is not found in the majority of Finnish original stories, and most probably originates from the book's compiler Elias Lönnrot.


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Anaaye (Diné/"Navajo")
Daitya (Sanskrit)
Neringa (Lithuania) (Balt)
Rubezahl (Wends)
Gigantes (Greek)
Titans (Greek)
Arak Tul-Nur (Eowyth)
Cormoran (Cornwall)
Cyclopes/Cyclops (Greek)
Upelleru (Middle Eastern)
Azrail (Armenian)
Yimnidge (Adighe)
Anakim (Hebrew)
Enim (Hebrew)
Rephaim (Hebrew)
Zamzummim (Hebrew)
Nephilim (Hebrew)
Gog (Hebrew)
Magog (Hebrew)
Gogmagog (British)
Goliath of Gath (Hebrew)
Og of Bashan (Hebrew)
Fomorians (Celtic)
Wrnach (Welsh)
Bendigeidfran (Welsh)
Basajaun (Basque)
Jotuns (Norse/Teutonic)
Frost Giants (Norse/Teutonic)
Fire Giants (Norse/Teutonic)
Earth Giants (Norse/Teutonic)
Jättiläiset (Finnish)
Ispolini (Bulgarian)
Yak (Thai)
Puntan (Micronesia)
Albadan (Spanish)
Famangomadan (Spanish)
Dehotgohsgayeh (Iroquois)
Gedegwsets (Coos)
Inugpasugssuk (Netslik)
Kiwahkw (Maliseet)
Volot/Volotomon (Russian)
Velikan (Russian)
Bogatyr (Russian)
Yeitso (Navajo)
Nunhyunuwi (Cherokee)
Si-Te-Cah (Paiute)
Dzoo-Noo-Qua (Kwakiutl)
Nahgane (Slavey)
Chahnameed (Pequot)
Paul Bunyan (USA)
Hewiixi/hewietari (Huichol)
Cawr (Welsh)
Kaour (Breton)
Dasa Maha Yodayo (Sri Lanka)
Gotaimbara (Sri Lanka)
Mahasena (Sri Lanka)
Kæmpe (Danish)
Jättar (Swedish)
Dev (Turkish)
Edd (Scottish)
Kalevipoeg (Estonian)
Toell the Great (Estonian)
Buto (Java - Indonesia)
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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:22 am » by The57ironman

:shock: ......vulcanic........................ :clapper:

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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:29 am » by Vulcanic

King James Version of the modern day bible. The most famous one that most everyone knows is the story of how David slew the giant Goliath with a sling.

Deuteronomy 3:13

Numbers 13:31-33




For more information as to how and where these "giants" came into existence, I recommend reading the Book Of Enoch. Enoch was Noah's grandfather. His writings were considered "Holy Scripture" for many years prior to being discredited by the Council of Laodicea (Roman Catholic Church) in 336 A.D.

"Rephaim" (or Rephaites) is a general title that the Book of Joshua states was given to the aborigines who were afterwards conquered and dispossessed by the Canaanite tribes. The text states that a few Rephaim had survived, one of them being Og, the king of Bashan. Og of Bashan is recorded as having a 13-foot long bed.



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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:34 am » by Vulcanic

I'de like point out something to you all too..

theres good chance these giants they talk about were Neanderthals that survived ice age , they were older then man here before us and most likely ate mans flesh if no game was around to hunt...

not saying they were for fact but just food for thought.




Could some fossil human bones and teeth that occur in caves be the remains of people who lived before the flood, who were destroyed in the great catastrophe? It seems unlikely that these cave sites all represent deliberate burials, or that whole races of man actually lived in caves in the past; the deeper recesses of cave systems are generally inhospitable places for man. It also seems implausible to say people kept falling down crevices and potholes, to become trapped inside caves, an explanation sometimes invoked to explain the presence of animal fossils in caves, which often include creatures that do not normally inhabit caves.
Many of the human fossils in European caves are Neanderthal types, a race which has become extinct. These were powerful, muscular people, such as Genesis 6:4 suggests was characteristic of at least some of the races of the antediluvians.

Most accounts of the human fossils mention stone implements associated with the fossil remains, which, if true, seems incompatible with an interpretation of these fossils as those due to drowning and burial in sediments of the flood, but perhaps there are other possible explanations for these objects. One suggestion is that investigators have mistaken naturally broken pebbles and stones of flint for tools worked by man. Dr Chris Stringer of Britain's Natural History Museum is quoted as saying:

"The argument is that these things may not be human artifacts at all. If you look at enough pebbles, you'll see some that look as if they have been artificially shaped." (The Times, 21 June 95, page 16. Cited in Britain's 'Oldest' Man.)
Genesis 4:22 indicates that the use of iron and brass was known to man before the flood, so, from a creationist viewpoint, it would seem that the evolutionary ideas of a "stone age" in man's early history may be simply misguided. Yet there are tribes still around, or that existed until quite recent times, that used primitive "stone age" technology, such as the Australian aborigines.

Some human fossils occur without alleged "tools" associated with them, but occur along with bones of extinct animals, which appears to fit the idea of these being the remains of antediluvian people. Some finds may represent reburials of fossil remains of flood victims. However, probably not all human remains from the caves are those of antediluvian man; some could represent burials of those who died since the flood, as suggested in the story in Genesis 25:9 about the burial of Abraham in a cave in Palestine. Where fossils occur lying in a fetal position, it seems to be a good indication of a deliberate burial.

The table below presents a list of some of the human fossils. Since about 6,000 human fossils are known, this is only a representative sample. In this list, the evolutionary sequence that is usually imposed on the fossil data has been discarded; references to dating schemes and associated implements, etc. have been dropped, as these involve interpretation. Other data that may possibly be appropriate for a proper interpretation may have been omitted. I encourage comments and suggestions for additions to the list and about any further details that may be relevant. I suggest that for a Creationist understanding of the human fossils, one should perhaps start with bare data, stripped of interpretations, (which is sometimes difficult to do) and consider how it may best fit the information God has provided us in Genesis about human origins. This list attempts to present bare facts; the order of fossils listed is roughly that of discovery, not the evolutionary one seen in most text books.

The statements in Genesis 6:1-13 about the conditions in antediluvian times may be helpful for our interpretation of these fossil finds; a possible mechanism by which they came to be buried in the caves is suggested by my disintegration theory of the drift. It is interesting and significant to note how many of the fossils listed below are from caves. I would be interested in hearing about other significant fossils that could be added to the list, and especially about references to the details on particular circumstances of burial of the fossils, as this seems especially relevant to the proper interpretation.

Summary of data on typical human fossils
In Belgium, a partial cranium of a 2.5 year old child was found in 1829. In 1936 it was identified as Neanderthal. (I am not sure if this one was in a cave.)
An adult cranium was found in cave on Gibraltar in 1848; it was identified as Neanderthal in 1864.
In 1856 the original 'Neanderthal' fossil bones were discovered during quarrying operations, in a cave, called Feldhofer Grotto, formed in Devonian limestone. The location was the Neander Valley, in the valley of the Dussel, Germany. He had a low vaulting skull, massive brow ridges and a prominent occipital bone. The fossil remains included thigh bones, part of a pelvis, some ribs, and some arm and shoulder bones. His limbs were stout and strong as can be inferred from the markings left on the bone by the once-attached muscle. The lower left arm had been broken in life, and as a result the bones of the left arm were smaller than those of the right. Estimates have put this individual at 50 years of age at the time of his death.
At Les Eyzies, France, in 1868, four human fossil skeletons of CroMagnon man were discovered accidentally when road builders broke into a cave in a cliff of Cretaceous limestone. Two of the skeletons were described as lying in a fetal position. Many other caves occur in the area. Bones of reindeer, bison and mammoth were also present. Among the CroMagnon people, women were shorter than the men. Fossils of the CroMagnon race are widely distributed in caves of Europe.
A limestone cavern in Brazil, on the borders of the Lagoa do Sumidouro, near from Santa Lucia, was excavated by Dr. P.W. Lund; he uncovered the bones of more than thirty individuals (human) of both sexes and various ages. The skeletons lay buried in hard clay overlying the original red soil forming the floor of the cave and mixed together in great confusion. They were not only jumbled with one another but with the remains of the Megatherium and other Pleistocene mammals. This precludes the idea that they had been entombed by man. All the bones, whether human or animal, showed evidence of having been contemporary with one another. In other caves investigated by Lund, bones of ancient men were found alongside those of the formidable Smilodon, a giant feline which became extinct during the last Pleistocene times. Referring to the evidence from these and other Brazilian fossiliferous caves, the Marquis de Nadaillac wrote in 1870 [quoted in Hapgood, p. 290]:
" ...Doubtless these men and animals lived together and perished together, common victims of catastrophes, the time and cause of which are alike unknown."
In 1886, Marcel de Puydt and Max Lohest discovered 2 almost complete Neanderthal skeletons, in a cave at Spy d'Orneau, Belgium. Along with the human fossils were fossils of extinct cave bear, mammoth, and wooly rhinocerous.
In 1899, Dragutin Gorjanovic-Kramberger excavated the cave of Krapina in Croatia. Amongst thousands of animal fossils, there were many human fossils including the remains of at least 60 Neanderthals including children. The presence of children and adults together in the same cave suggests they died in some unusual way, rather than by natural causes.
The "Mauer Jaw", or "Heidelberg Man", was discovered in a gravel pit near Heidelberg, Germany, in 1907. It consists of a lower jaw with a receding chin and all its teeth. The jaw is extremely large and robust. [This fits the statement about the antediluvian period in Genesis 6:4: "There were giants in the earth in those days."]
In a limestone cave near La-Chapelle-aux-Saints, France, a fossil of a Neanderthal dubbed the "Old Man" was discovered by three French priests, Abbes A. Bouyssonie, J. Bouyssanie and L. Bardon, in 1908. It was a nearly complete skeleton; skull with a brain size of 1620 cc. The specimen was between about 30 and 40 when he died, but had a healed broken rib, severe arthritis of the hip, lower neck, back and shoulders, and had lost most of his molar teeth. He was found along with fossil bones of numerous animals such as wooly rhinoceroses, reindeer, hyenas and bison.
Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, was the site of the discovery in 1913 of a complete, anatomically modern human skeleton, by Hans Reck.
The fossil known as Rhodesian Man, from Broken Hill in Northern Rhodesia (now Kabwe in Zambia), was discovered in 1921. It consists of a complete cranium, very robust, with large brow ridges and a receding forehead. The brain size about 1280 cc.
Peking Man; Homo erectus (Sinanthropus pekinensis) was found at Zhoukoudian (or Choukoutien), in caves near Beijing (formerly Peking), in China, between 1929 and 1937. Various skulls and skull fragments of adults and children were found in the Lower Cave; a number of fossils of modern humans were also discovered in the Upper Cave at the same site in 1933. The original fossils disappeared in 1941 while being sent to the United States during World War II. Since then, other Homo erectus fossils have been found at this site and others in China.
The brain case of an adult Neanderthal was found in a cave at Sterkfontein, South Africa by Robert Broom, in 1936.
Shanidar cave, Iraq, excavated by Ralph Solecki between 1951 and 1960, yielded 9 Neandertal skeletons. One was partially blind, one-armed and crippled.
At Petralona, Greece, a skull, known as Petralona 1, was found in 1960. The brain size was 1220 cc. It has some Neandertal characteristics, featuring a large face with particularly wide jaws.
Jebel Qafzeh, Israel, is a cave site where human remains include those of adults, infants and one small child; tools of Levallois-Mousterian type were present.
A gravel pit at Steinheim, Germany, yielded the skull of a young female Neanderthal. The cranial capacity was 1070 cc. The skull itself was long and narrow and was missing the mandible, and the left side of the face. The large brow ridges and powerful jaw were those of a Neanderthal while the rounded back of the skull was that of a modern hominid. The features were less specialized than those of the classic Neanderthals.
Paviland Cave, on the Gower peninsula, Wales, contained the remains of a young man (originally thought to be a woman) which became known as "The Red Lady of Paviland" because the bones had been stained with red ochre. They were buried in red clay along with stone, bone, and ivory tools, a necklace of shells, and many types of animal bones. [This was probably the tomb of an ancient warrior.]
Several skull fragments were found in the Thames Valley, at Swanscombe, England, in a layer of river sediment located two feet below the surface. The fragments consist of a left and a right parietal which were pieced together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. They were well preserved and indicate that the individual was a young adult, most possibly a female, with a cranial capacity of approximately 1325 cc. The pieces represent a modern-looking individual with the exception that the bone fragments found are thicker than in modern man. The human fossils were found with numerous remains of 26 animal species such as wolf, lion, and horse.
An almost complete fossil cranium of Homo erectus, known as KNM-ER 3733, was discovered at Koobi Fora, Kenya, in 1975. Brain size is about 850 cc. The skull is similar to the Peking Man fossils.
A fossil known as the "Saint-Cesaire Neandertal" was found in 1979 by Francois Leveque, at Pierrot's Rock, near the village of Saint-Cesaire in France. The site is situated along a small stream at the base of a limestone cliff.
In 1994 a human shin bone was found during excavations in a quarry at Boxgrove, near Chichester, West Sussex, South England. Boxgrove man is thought to have been powerfully built, and over 6 feet tall, possibly resembling Heidelberg Man. Two teeth have also been found, along with animal bones.

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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:43 am » by abdullha14

the hebrow word for giant is Anak

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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:45 am » by Vulcanic

There were giants (in) the earth in those days......


- They're segregated from the heroes, the old-time giants who entered the grave in full battle dress, their swords placed under their heads and their shields covering their bones, those heroes who spread terror through the land of the living. The Message Version, Ezekiel 32:27

- "And he did not know that giants are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell" (Douay-Rheims Version, Proverbs 9:18)

- "A man that shall wander out of the way of doctrine, shall abide in the company of the giants" (Douay-Rheims Version, Proverbs 21:16)

- "Hell below was in an uproar to meet thee at thy coming, it stirred up the giants for thee" (Douay-Rheims Version, Isaiah 14:9)

- "Let not the dead live, let not the giants rise again..." (Douay-Rheims Version, Isaiah 26:14)


Wich could explain some greek mytholog creatures..

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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:49 am » by Vulcanic

More food just for thought.





Big Mystery

A German paleontologist discovered Gigantopithecus in 1935 when he picked up a strange, heavy tooth in a Chinese apothecary. It was labeled as a "dragon tooth."

Since then researchers have found additional remains of the ape, which they've used to make guesses about its size, diet, and when and how it lived. But experts are still left with many unanswered questions.

"We're sort of dealing with the mystery ape," said Rick Potts, a paleoanthropologist with the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

"We know so little about Gigantopithecus, largely because its [remains consist of only] three mandibles [jaw bones] and hundreds of teeth," he said.

Gigantopithecus fossils that are 7 or 8 million years old have been found in modern-day India and Pakistan. Remains less than 2 million years old, meanwhile, have turned up in China and Southeast Asia.

Given the limited fossil record, scientists debate how the ape evolved, when it died out, and precisely how big it was.

"There's this mythology that arose, largely because of the name, that it's got to be huge," Potts said. "Some people say, Oh, geez, it must have stood seven feet [two meters] tall."




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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:55 am » by Vulcanic

Idaho's Flood-Giants Remembered

The Great Basin is an area of inland drainage located in western United States. On its northern edge is a wondrous region known as the Owyhee country. Everywhere is evidence of early human struggles for existence.

Conventional theories positing wandering peoples out of Siberia dates these struggles to the last 12,000 years. Surface evidence clearly indicates the presence of huntergatherers to ten or more millennia ago. But something more materially significant may have prospered in Owyhee Country even earlier.

While Establishment scholars refuse to consider any possibilities for existence of so any a society on our continent, some Native Americans preserve oral traditions which speak of a time, very long ago, when their ancestors came into conflict with "giants" that roamed the region, interfered with activities.

These tribal accounts show some resemblance to biblical stories of a pre-flood world likewise inhabited by giants. For example, Genesis tells of the Nephilim, supposedly of great size and strength. The Judaic tradition affirms that these giants sprang from the union of fallen angels with the daughters of Cain.

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PostThu Sep 15, 2011 2:56 am » by The57ironman

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