YouTube – Swine Flu Fear

The swine flu is a viral event very similar to the 1918 Spanish flu and the 1969 Hong Kong flu. It causes the immune system of very healthy people to go haywire. The lymph glands swell and the lungs fill with fluid and this is what makes this flu so deadly. I was one of the earliest victims of the Hong Kong flu and because I was an athlete and very healthy, it nearly killed me.

Even so, these diseases do not hit everyone. No one in my family got it, for example. And also, the disease tends to become progressively less dangerous over the course of a rather short time frame, less than a year. But right now, it is quite dangerous to people between 16-30 years of age. Washing hands and carrying tissues is most important. i got the Hong Kong flu because of my work as a medic and this meant, before we knew of the disease, I didn’t take precautions that all medics take today. For good reason.


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I’m a specialist doctor in respiratory diseases and intensive care at the Mexican National Institute of Health. There is a severe emergency over the swine flu here. More and more patients are being admitted to the intensive care unit. Despite the heroic efforts of all staff (doctors, nurses, specialists, etc) patients continue to inevitably die. The truth is that anti-viral treatments and vaccines are not expected to have any effect, even at high doses. It is a great fear among the staff. The infection risk is very high among the doctors and health staff.

There is a sense of chaos in the other hospitals and we do not know what to do. Staff are starting to leave and many are opting to retire or apply for holidays. The truth is that mortality is even higher than what is being reported by the authorities, at least in the hospital where I work it. It is killing three to four patients daily, and it has been going on for more than three weeks. It is a shame and there is great fear here. Increasingly younger patients aged 20 to 30 years are dying before our helpless eyes and there is great sadness among health professionals here.

Antonio Chavez, Mexico City

I think there is a real lack of information and sadly, preventative action. In the capital of my state, Oaxaca, there is a hospital closed because of a death related to the porcine influenza. In the papers they recognise only two people dead for that cause. Many friends working in hospitals or related fields say that the situation is really bad, they are talking about 19 people dead in Oaxaca, including a doctor and a nurse. They say they got shots but they were told not to talk about the real situation. Our authorities say nothing. Life goes on as usual here.

Young people are going to schools and universities. Buses and planes go and come from Mexico City as frequently as before. Even with two people dead locally, last night the local baseball stadium was full, mainly with young people. What’s really happening? I know vaccines are good for nothing, and if you take care, maybe you won’t die, so, why not acknowledge the real situation? I know that the economic situation is not the best, and it will worsen with panic. But panic comes from a lack of information. Many people travel for pleasure or without any real need. Stopping those unjustified trips can help a lot to ease the situation. We must do something!Alvaro Ricardez, Oaxaca City, Oaxaca, Mexico

The truth is that it is very strange, what we are living through here. The streets are empty, we are all staying in our houses. People are only going out to the hospitals, drugstores and to buy food. The great majority have their mouths covered. Concerts, festivals, masses have all been cancelled, the football matches have all been played behind closed doors. On the television and radio, every commercial break contains information on the symptoms, saying that if you have them to go to the doctor at once. Although we have been told to go to work as normal on Monday, I am worried because I am employed at a company where there are many people and believe that it could be highly contagious. They say on the news that the cases that are most critical involve people aged 20 to 50.

Nallely T, State of Mexico

Right now the situation is quite scary. We’ve never been living under such circumstances and it’s caught us completely off guard. We are a developing country so our health system isn’t very effective, plus the fact that our city is overpopulated doesn’t help much; the government is doing what they can but I don’t think it’s enough. So the future isn’t looking too bright. Everyone is very frightened, there are few people on the streets and we are all trying to be as safe as possible. But not knowing exactly how the virus works and how it can be killed off creates a horrible uncertainty. I’m being pessimistic but that’s how most people I’ve talked to feel. Mariana, Mexico City

It’s certainly been very quiet where I’m living in the Historic Centre of Mexico City, whereas normally the centre is almost uncomfortably packed at the weekend. Most people also seem to be wearing the face masks being handed out by the army around the city. There always seems to be a healthy mistrust of the government here, but I wouldn’t say I’m sensing a great deal of paranoia or panic. It does seem as though the unprecedented actions being taken by the government to contain the virus don’t match with the statistics being provided, however, so there is some doubt as to whether they’re just being overly cautious or whether things are a lot worse than what they’re telling the public.

Randal Sheppard, Mexico City

As I said in the video, I can’t verify these postings from Mexico but they are very much like my own experience with the Hong Kong flu.  The doctor and nurse who first took care of me both got very sick.  The person who took me in when I collapsed did not get sick. He was an asthma victim and had various health problems.  


The fact that this thing hits the strongest the hardest, sets it apart from most other diseases which mostly weaken the weak, further. This is why these sorts of viral infections are so frightening.  Most people believe, if they are healthy and strong, they won’t get some horrible, contagious disease.  Far from it.


Just like hoof and mouth disease goes from healthy animal to healthy animal, so do swine and avian flues.  When these sorts of diseases sweep through farm animals, they are culled.  That is, all animals from the place where the disease is seen, are killed.  Naturally, we don’t do this to ourselves.  Which means, we must endure diseases.  It is part of our collective responsibility.


Asia Times Online :: Asian news and current affairs

By Chan Akya Given the importance of these optimistic assumptions to the overall market story, wouldn’t you expect more folks in the financial media to focus a bit on the kind of developments that could derail these projections? After all, the bird flu, while a less virulent strain of the species-jumping virus than appears to be involved in the present swine flu outbreak, did take a rather large bite out of the economic growth of Asian countries in 2004. 

One of the ironies of history is, the potato blight killed more people and caused more economic disruptions than any plague.  This is because it starved millions of people to death and weakened their health so various plagues could also sweep in.  Famine and plague run hand in glove.  Usually, by oppressing people or pushing them into unsanitary ghettos and cutting water availability like we see in Gaza, leads to plagues.  And the reason why creating ghettos is so evil is due to them becoming breeding grounds for diseases.


This is why all slums in the world are very dangerous to the upper classes if there is no public sanitation and health care.  Oaxaca was the scene of huge demonstrations for more civil rights, better pay for teachers, more schools, better working conditions.  It is heavily populated and needs better sanitation and health care and has neither.  


The Mexican elites managed to run a very corrupt election which the technocrat rich kid won…and he immediately pounced on Oaxaca and violently suppressed the agitation for change.  Now, Mother Nature retaliates and all the rich in Mexico City, NYC, London, Paris, everywhere on earth tremble with fear.  


I would suggest that if we treated Oaxaca better back in 2002, things would be better today.  And since we insist on enabling and expanding slums and ghettos all over the world, we better brace ourselves for more plagues.  Look at the displacement of civilians in Sri Lanka, another potential plague vector.






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27 responses to “SWINE FLU FEAR VIDEO


  2. if

    Swine flu tragedy sparks conspiracy talk
    …The fact that the new virus causing an avian-human-swine flu first occurred in Mexico — where pigs and birds are rarely raised together — has also raised suspicion that the rare combination of more than two different flu viruses could have been genetically-engineered as a form of bio-weaponry.
    ELAINE: Have you ever been to Mexico???? Gads. Most certainly, pigs and chickens and even ducks are raised together just like in China or Vietnam, etc! In fact, pigs are penned up but not the chickens or ducks who love to scratch around pig messes looking for bugs and undigested tidbits.

  3. mds

    Vials of swine flu virus explode on train (in Switzerland)

    Vials of innocuous swine flu virus have exploded on an intercity train, prompting police to stop passengers before they arrived in Lausanne.

    A laboratory technician from a Geneva hospital had been transporting the vials on Monday evening from a veterinary institute in Zurich. The Federal Health Office had called for the development of a diagnostic test for the illness that has killed as many as 150 people worldwide.

    Near Fribourg the technician heard a muffled pop. Built-up gas from dry ice surrounding the vials had caused the package to explode.

    The carriage in which the technician was travelling held 61 passengers at the time. The Federal Railways did not learn of the incident until 40 minutes later after the train had already passed through Fribourg. Police then stopped the train near Lausanne, inspected passengers and wrote down their names as a precaution.

    “This virus is not dangerous to humans,” said Laurent Kaiser, head of the Geneva lab. “It is the same stock as the H1N1 virus but it has nothing in common with the strain spreading around the world.”

    The technician and one passenger suffered slight wounds, the only injuries, but some travellers were angry that they had not been informed of the incident sooner.

    “Why did they leave us enclosed in a contaminated car for an hour?” asked one passenger. “There was a pregnant woman who panicked. They only informed us sparingly. And why didn’t they stop the train in Fribourg?”

    Viruses and other infectious specimens are often transported by train or even post. Kaiser said this particular shipment had been packaged according to regulations.

    Source: swissinfo.ch

  4. mds

    Another interesting news story related to one of my favorite contemporary pianists:


  5. emsnews

    About the transport story: YIKES. Talk about insanity! Transporting any viral agent should be treated with more respect, namely, the containers must be better designed and of course, not transported inside PUBLIC use facilities such as the passenger parts of planes, trains, buses or even cars!
    I used to do lab protocols and got in an immense battle with the university because they were NOT following OSHA rules and regulations and were endangering not only staff and students, but the entire community if there was a chemical event such as an explosion.
    Soon after I was fired, there was a chemical explosion in a different lab on the campus. OSHA put them through the wringer and they had to pay fines, etc and I was vindicated fully by OSHA examiners.
    People do really, really stupid things all the time. Look at Chernobyl. That should have never happened. This is the anniversary of that disaster. Government complicity in trying to minimize the disaster comes to mind. This really killed the USSR.

  6. payAttention


    Perhaps we can look for examples closer to home. Like 139 and Lennox for instance, and not so distant from your own eagle’s eyrie. Of course you absolve yourself from any responsibilities or benefits that the festering ghetto in your former demos implies – as a Norton goddess should.
    ELAINE: What ails you, ‘Pay Attention’? You constantly harp at me as if I am ignoring things which I happen to talk about, in the past. As for 139 and Lennox: um, are you referring to NYC, by chance? Geeze.

  7. isha

    Empire builders are capable of ANYthing…here, the Japanese percedent…guess what happened to these perpetrators? They all were under protection after the WWII…


    Germ warfare attacks
    Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects.[11]
    To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea, then studied[11].
    Prisoners were infested with fleas in order to acquire large quantities of disease-carrying fleas for the purposes of studying the viability of germ warfare[citation needed].
    Plague fleas, infected clothing, and infected supplies encased in bombs were dropped on various targets. The resulting cholera, anthrax, and plague were estimated to have killed around 400,000 Chinese civilians.[11]
    Tularemia was tested on Chinese civilians.[19]
    Unit 731 and its affiliated units (Unit 1644, Unit 100, et cetera) were actively involved not only in research and development, but also in experimental deployment of epidemic-creating biowarfare weapons in assaults against the Chinese populace (both civilian and military) throughout World War II. Plague-infested fleas, bred in the laboratories of Unit 731 and Unit 1644, were spread by low-flying airplanes upon Chinese cities, coastal Ningbo in 1940, and Changde, Hunan Province, in 1941. This military aerial spraying killed thousands of people with bubonic plague epidemics.[20]

    [edit] Other experiments
    Prisoners were subjected to other experiments such as:

    being hung upside down to see how long it would take for them to choke to death.[11]
    having air injected into their arteries to determine the time until the onset of embolism.[11]
    having horse urine injected into their kidneys.[11]
    being deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death.
    being placed into high-pressure chambers until death.
    being exposed to extreme temperatures and developing frostbite to determine how long humans could survive with such an affliction, and to determine the effects of rotting and gangrene on human flesh.[11]
    having experiments performed upon prisoners to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival.
    being placed into centrifuges and spun until dead.
    having animal blood injected and the effects studied.
    being exposed to lethal doses of x-ray radiation.
    having various chemical weapons tested on prisoners inside gas chambers.
    being injected with sea water to determine if it could be a substitute for saline.

    [edit] Biological warfare
    Japanese scientists performed tests on prisoners with plague, cholera, smallpox, botulism and other diseases.[21] This research led to the development of the defoliation bacilli bomb and the flea bomb used to spread the bubonic plague.[22] Some of these bombs were designed with ceramic (porcelain) shells, an idea proposed by Ishii in 1938.


  8. emsnews

    Yes, the Japanese and Germans tried using germ warfare. Others will be tempted to do this, too. At this point in time, of course, the ruling elites know that this is a rather wretched idea and when we decided to decimate populations, we simply use WMD which are pretty thorough. Ask the few survivors from ground zero where we dropped the nuclear bombs in Japan.
    As for poisoned foods: ack. This is also how we experiment with ourselves, agribusiness is very big on overlooking the bad side effects of things like injecting hormones into cows.

  9. Elaine, some folks believe this flu virus is being spread by Chemtrails; or, don’t bvelieve it’s a virus at all but a Chemtrail-vectored disease! At this site, http://ashizashiz.blogspot.com , some left comments to yesterday’s swine flu blog post alleging just that! :crazy:
    How “reassuring” it is to know that it’s our Big Business instead of our Big Government / New World Order that’s responsible for this!!! :mad:

  10. emsnews

    Something I noticed long, long ago was, people focus on the queerest things and then, cling to it like glue. I remember when the ‘Elvis is alive’ started as a joke then, a host of very troubled people actively began to believe this stupid story. It was utterly illogical. The guy ODed on illegal drugs, for crying out loud! But he was deified by a lot of very disturbed people.
    I believe people yearn for some fantasy to believe in and this MUST be utterly and totally illogical and it always becomes the fundamental basis for their entire belief systems, like a sun in the sky, all flowers turn towards it as it moves along.
    On top of this, we have lots and lots of insane people who have real power of the press, of governments, who have their own pet belief systems they want desperately to impose on us. Notice the latest game: convincing us, allowing kidnapping, secret prisons and no Constitutional protections will protect us.

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  12. payAttention

    What ails me? That we have a nation apart living in prison, 2.3 million people. That we criminalize psychoactive substances and with this device, allow the constabulary to terrorize a peaceful segment of the population that should not need to interface with the powers of police. That the plunder by the inexhaustible permutations of the mass entertainment and finance industries has sucked us dry to the marrow.

    Personally. That you are always pulling rank with your birthright, which is an accident of birth, not earned privilege. That this privilege of birth is on the back of other people who have done the dying for you. Think Magyar and Slavic peoples. That you are always harping on other people expanding territory or their bigotry, while we are by far the most territorially aggressive and bigoted agglomeration of all. I could continue. However I will sum it up: if you live in a glass house, don’t throw stones.

  13. emsnews

    DUH! I am so happy you figured this out! But why blame me? I keep pointing out to the anti-semites, for example, that they don’t go freaking crazy over say, the Queen of England, the daughter of 1,000 years of genetic freaks looting and killing everyone!!!
    Sigh. It is like shouting in the wind. History is written by the bloodiest winners. They then get to deflect anger away from themselves. See how this works? The Magyar and Slavs, for example, were once conquerers. So were the Romans, the Greeks, etc, etc, etc. All the way back in time when we killed all the Neanderthals.
    This is why we are CRAZY AS LOONS. We are the descendants of a very bloody lineage.

  14. emsnews

    Incidentally, this is also why paranoia is such a large part of our psychology only this is grafted onto a massive system of gullibility and trust. Exploring this nexus would require someone like Dr. Freud who thought, alas, that everything was about sex, not paranoia and gullibility. He was correct about the role the Dream World plays in all this.

  15. the fool on the hill

    I think Elaine has probably paid her dues. Americans are all unlawful immigrants, native peoples and unwilling slaves notwithstanding. No magic wand can change that. But we can still try to make the world we have inherited better.
    A nitpik thing, if I understand correctly Elvis died as a result of abusing drugs that were prescribed to him by a doctor who was actually later brought up on charges related to this. (Anna Smith’s doctor was indicted as well, I believe). He also served as jerry lee lewis’ tour manager at one point. Jerry Lee is a nasty guy.
    I am so glad I never ‘made it big’ in that ‘business’.

  16. Elaine Supkis

    Yes, he was a pill freak. The Doctor was the one who was illegal.

  17. David

    As I read the above posts, I notice that there is a good deal of paranoia toward our leaders and government….and some might be questioning whether this swine flue might have been created and then set loose for who knows what reason.
    I personally do not think this is so, but it is interesting that this event is already creating paranoia within a significant segment of the population. This is indicative of a major lack of trust in the good intent of our government and the media.
    And these people have good reason for their paranoia…the mysteries that still surround 9/11 and the lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the invasion and killing of nearly a million Iraqis and over 4000 American troops based on lies and the secretive torture of helpless and disarmed prisoners and even children of war…and the lying, ranting and screeching of idiot television pundits and propagandists promoting this or that corporate agenda while global corporations themselves outsource American jobs to China and elsewhere….
    While Zbigniew Brzezinski’ makes a speech stating that 80 percent of the US working population is no longer needed.
    And Presidents tell us to be afraid, very afraid…
    So, considering all of this, recent US leadership itself is fucking damned nuts and is spreading and living off of fear…and drug companies will make a fortune developing and selling treatments for this new disease….as the masses shudder and huddle in fear of yet another apocalyptic event that might take their lives and they are distracted away from the pressing issues of our times….torture, theft of trillions and loss of Constitutional freedoms, and wasteful warmaking.
    One cannot blame these people for looking for bad guys behind every bush…no pun intended.

  18. emsnews

    Yes, the paranoia is due to the US living in two worlds at once: the secret world I call ‘Shadowlands’ and the daylight world which we see in the media, etc. And thanks to that horrid, nasty secret world, everyone is now a paranoid to some degree. This is destroying us. We can’t trust our government, our schools nor our media and indeed, each other.
    THIS IS PERFECTLY OK WITH THE SPOOKS! They love to see everyone paranoid, disbelieving, easily deluded while the spooks work in the dark, trying to force history to do as they desire. But they are losing, badly.

  19. w3g

    Something to lighten the mood, new comic at http://www.xkcd.com/
    Best alt text ever: Bad flu epidemics can hit young adults hardest because they provoke their powerful immune systems into overreaction, so to stay healthy spend the next few weeks drunk and sleep-deprived to keep yours suppressed.

  20. nah

    im quite a doubter on this one myself… i dont believe much in conspiracys… there are vastly more vain dictators… all in all id think its just a really bad case of the flu and believe it or not more americans floss than mexicans…o and wash thair hands… at least thats my vanity point of view, its just bad luck where it cropped up ‘slums’

    git cher’ tylenol and fruit juice out ladys and gents, this could get serious

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  22. JSmith

    Interesting that the “swine flu” victims in the US are not getting all that sick. One confirmed death – of a two-year-old child – so far, and few hospitalizations.


    And it’s not exactly spreading like wildfire either…

  23. “Avoid Flu Shots, Take Vitamin D Instead”…

  24. Simon

    This flu is no big deal, there’s been worse around
    1917-19 Spanish flu comes to mind

  25. emsnews

    It can swiftly morph into something terrible, trust me on this. Viral entities are by far and away, the champions when it comes to mutations, self-splicing and even killing off 100% of the host life forms they take over [which we call ‘infections’ but the viral kingdom calls ‘conquests’].

  26. DeVaul

    Congratulations Elaine! Your briefing on swine flu has been referred to by James Howard Kunstler over at the Silver Bear Cafe. He advises people to read your excellent articles on it. He also refers people to an article by Charles Hugh Smith, who once implied that all social security recipients go off and die in order to help the nation. I debated him on this.
    I still read Kunstler’s articles, even after the meltdown he suffered over Israel. It is really a shame that apparently sane and very intelligent people can suddenly go berzerk when the word “Israel” or “Jew” is mentioned.
    My family is from Ireland and I do not go berzerk when someone blames Ireland for acting like a pirate haven or banking gnome headquarters, especially when it appears to be quite true. I feel shame about it, but I do not go berzerk. Israel is in a league of its own.

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