Monday, February 27, 2006

Rif Pesachim 12b {Pesachim 40b continues ... 42a}


{Pesachim 40b continues}
it is forbidden to sell it to a gentile, and he may not make it into the saddle for a donkey, but he may make with it shrouds for a corpse.
A gentile, why not {sell the garment}? Because he may turn around and sell it to an Israelite.
Rava retracted, and instead said: Let him sell it to Israelites, a kav at a time {to different individuals}, such that it is finished before Pesach.

The Sages learnt {in a brayta}: One may not mash a dish on Pesach {that is, make a mash of flour and vinegar in the usual way, to add the flour to the vinegar}, and if one wishes to make a mash, he should put in the flour and afterwards put in the vinegar. And some say he may put in the vinegar and afterwards put in the flour.

Ulla said: Both this and that are forbidden, because of "'Go, go,' we say to the nazir, 'go around, go around, but to not come close to the vineyard.'"
And so is the halacha.

But with chasisei is permitted, for Rabba {our gemara: Rava} himself mashed with chasisei.
To explain chasisei: {Matzo meal:} Baked matzah which they grind and then boil it in water, and they make a mash with it.

Flour may not be put into charoset {= a pap made of fruits and spices with wine or vinegar, used to sweeten the maror a bit} nor into mustard, and if he put it in, he should eat it immediately. And Rabbi Meir forbids. {Bach emends to: says it should be burnt}

One may not boil the Pesach sacrifice, not with liquids nor with fruit juice, but one may baste and dip it in them.

The water used by a baker must be poured off, because it causes chimutz.

Rav Kahana said: The dispute is into mustard, but into charoset, all agree that it must be burnt immediately.

{Pesachim 42a}
"The water used by a baker":
They learnt {in a brayta}: One should pour it out in a sloping place but not on broken ground {where the water can collect}.

Rav Yehuda said: A woman should not knead except with water which slept overnight.

Rava lectured: A woman should not knead in the sun, nor with heated water {this missing in our gemara}, nor with water heated by the sun, nor with mayim hagerufim - to explain, water which was drawn on that day - but rather water which slept - nor may she remove her hand from the over until she has finished the bread - that is to say, she should not involve herself in other matters and leave the dough. And she needs two vessels of water, one with which she moistens {the dough} and one with which she cools her hands {since her hands, if heated, induce chimutz}.

It was a question to them: If she transgressed and kneaded {in warm water}, then what?
Mar Zutra said: It {=the bread} is permitted.
And rav Ashi said: It is forbidden.

And we establish like Rav Ashi.

And it need not be said that if he sat in the sun and kneaded, it is forbidden. But, even if he sat under the open sky on a cloudy day and kneaded it is forbidden, even though sublight did not fall in that location. What is the reason. A cloudy day is {considered} entirely sun.

END PEREK TWO - kol sha'a

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