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Shabbos 145


(a) 'ha'Machlik ba'Anavim, Lo Huchshar; Rebbi Yehudah Omer Huchshar'. What does 'ha'Machlik ba'Anavim mean?

(b) How must the bread have been kneaded?

(c) Rebbi Yirmiyah explains the Machlokes (of 'ha'Machlik ba'Anavim') as to whether liquid that was extracted from the fruit into a food, is considered a food (like Shmuel and Rav Chisda) or not. Rav Papa rejects this explanation. How does Rav Papa explain it?

(d) What is the third possible way of explaining the Machlokes - and how will they then hold with regard to 'Mashkeh ha'Ba le'Ibud'?

(a) If someone bruises fruit - with Tamei hands to soften it, the juice that emerges is Huchshar; whereas if he bruises it in order to be able to salt it, it is not.
Why the difference?

(b) If he bruises the fruit in order to ascertain whether the oil is ready or not, the Tana Kama holds that it is not Muchshar.
What does Rebbi Yehudah hold, and what is the basis of their Machlokes?

(a) Rav agrees with Shmuel with regard to squeezing juice into food.
What does he say about squeezing the juice from a fish?

(b) May one squeeze pickled foods to eat the pickles?

(c) May one squeeze them for the juice (according to Rav and Shmuel)? Why is this?

(d) Rav permits squeezing cooked foods - even for the juice (because they have the Din of food).
What does Shmuel say about that?

4) Some learnt the above Din of fish-juice in the name of Shmuel.
What testimony did Rav Dimi give Abaye - from the mouth of Rebbi Yirmiyah, quoting Rebbi Zeira, quoting Rebbi Chiya bar Ashi?


(a) How does Rebbi Yochanan differentiate - with regard to squeezing pickles and boiled vegetables - whether it is to eat them, or for their juice?

(b) The Beraisa writes 'Sochtin Kevashim be'Shabbos le'Tzorech ha'Shabbos, Aval Lo le'Motza'ei Shabbos'. What problem does this present for Rebbi Yochanan, Rav and Shmuel?

(c) What did Rav Chiya bar Aba testify in Rav's name, with regard to ...

  1. ... pressing fruit for the juice?
  2. ... one witness repeating in Beis-Din what he heard from another?
(d) Why were Chazal more lenient by the testimony of a woman than in other areas of Halachah? Why is this not a matter of permitting a married woman to get married - considering that, min ha'Torah, such a testimony is invalid?
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(a) 'Eid mi'Pi Eid' is Kasher by a Bechor'.
What does this mean?

(b) How does this conform with Tana de'Bei Menasheh, who said 'Ein Eid mi'Pi Eid Kasher Ela le'Edus Ishah Bilevad'? How do we amend Tana de'Bei Menasheh's statement?

(c) Rav Hoshaya from Neherda'a cites a Beraisa, which informs us that Rebbi Elazar and Rebbi Shimon permit the juice of olives and grapes (which were pressed before Shabbos) that came out on Shabbos. From his words we learn that Rebbi Shimon holds like Rebbi Elazar in our Mishnah, where he permits the honey that flows from the honey-combs under similar circumstances.
Is that all Rav Hosha'a from Neherda'a is coming to teach us?

(a) Something which has been cooled before Shabbos, may be placed in boiling water (even in a K'li Rishon) on Shabbos. As an example, the Gemara gives the Tarnegoles de'Bei Rebbi Aba.
What was the Tarnegoles de'Bei Rebbi Aba?

(b) What did they do to counteract the strong after-effects of Rebbi Aba's chicken?

(c) What did Rav Yosef retort when he heard how Rebbi Yochanan spat when he recalled the Kutach ha'Bavli?

(d) What positive testimonial did Rav Yosef quote Rav Gaza, a Babylonian, as giving about Kutach ha'Bavli?

8) What is the Din of someone who pours hot water (even from a K'li Sheni) on to an old salted herring, small salted fish or a thin-skinned fish called Kuli'as ha'Ispanin?


(a) Rebbi Asi told Rebbi Chiya bar Aba that ...
1. ... it was not true that the birds of Bavel were fatter than those of Eretz Yisrael.
2. ... the people of Bavel rejoiced on Yom-Tov more than those of Eretz Yisrael - because they were poor (and did not have the opportunity to rejoice the whole year round.
3. ... the Talmidei-Chachamim wore finer clothing than those of Eretz Yisrael, because they were not B'nei Torah.
4. ... The gentiles were sweaty because they ate insects and creeping things.
How does Rebbi Yochanan explain each of these?

(b) How did Rebbi Yochanan interpret the Pasuk in Mishlei "Emor la'Chochmah Achosi At"?

(c) The animals, birds and even fish of Eretz Yisrael were in exile for fifty-two years. What is the significance of those firty-two years?

(d) Why did the Kuli'as ha'Ispanin not return to Eretz Yisrael, together with the others?

(a) What made various gentile leaders come each Yom-Tov to Tzipori and Teverya to plunder and to cause trouble?

(b) What do we learn from the Pasuk in Yehsayah "ha'Ba'im Yashresh Ya'akov, Yatzitz u'Farach Yisrael"?

(c) Why are the Gerim, who did not stand at Har Sinai, not sweaty like the gentiles?

(d) Rebbi Aba bar Kahana disagrees with Rebbi Yochanan, who says that the sweatiness of Yisrael left them at Har Sinai.
What does Rebbi Aba bar Kahana say in this regard?

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