Extracted Content: Ernest Bishop: Um we are So the meeting will have about the same format as the last time. So switching over I've just left uh
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: my first two screens. Um I have mailed you the minutes of the last meeting uh just to save time.
  Kent Stone: Okay. Cool.
  Ernest Bishop: Um and is there any questions you have that arised from last meeting that are particularly bothering you?
  Kent Stone: Mm um.
  Ernest Bishop: N
  Kent Stone: No I don't think so.
  Ernest Bishop: No? Okay, cool.
  Larry Martin: No.
  Ernest Bishop: Then we shall start with a presentation from Raj.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah. Hi, Shane Gregory Raj, again Uh. in this meeting I I'm going to discuss about the trend watching, uh how these trends is going to affect our market potential and how important is this. So we have to look on this. First of all methodology. The met methodology to find out the trend was incl uh was done in a way We have done a rec not only a recent remote control market survey, but we also considered the latest fre fashion trends of the market, we think that this is also a factor which will affect our sales and profit. So what are our findings? In our uh in our findings we have seen that when we did our remote control market survey we found that uh people l uh people do have preference for tho fancy mobi uh f remote controls which look and feel very good, rather than having a functional look and feel uh good. So this sh this clearly indicates their preference for the design their outlook of the remote controls. So we should take into uh we should consider this factor as the most important factor, because this factor is twice as important, the second factor which is further ti twice the as important as the sec as uh the third factor. So this factor becomes the most important factor in our surv uh uh in our mark uh means in take in designing our rem uh remote controls.
  Kent Stone: The last one is the most important one, is
  Shane Gregory: No
  Kent Stone: it?
  Shane Gregory: the first
  Kent Stone: Oh, sorry.
  Shane Gregory: one is the uh the outlook of the mobile, the it should have a fancy outlook,
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: the fancy design
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: uh rather than just having a functional look and feel good, it should have a fancy look and foo feel good. The second most important aspect is that remote control should be a technologically uh innovative. We must have some technological advancement in the remote control tha rather than just putting it as it is as the other remo uh remote controls are. So it uh should be technologically innovative like glow-in-the-dark or speech recognition, something like that. So that indicates our technological advancement.
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Shane Gregory: And the third most important aspect in the ta to take into consideration is that it should be easy to use,
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Shane Gregory: like it shouldn't be too much co complicated, there shouldn't be too many buttons on this mobi uh remote control, it shouldn't be too complicated uh like this way. And it should be uh and customers should be provided with manuals that is easy to understand in their local language, something. So that they could know how to use these remote controls. When we did uh f fashions uh, recent fashion uh our recent fashion update shows that
  Kent Stone: Sorry.
  Shane Gregory: Ah yeah?
  Kent Stone: I was just reading fruit and vegetables. Hard to know how we are going to incorporate that.
  Shane Gregory: Y yeah uh yeah, we have to, because uh d you can see how people have related their clothes, shoes, and everything with fruits and vegetables, because the g world is now changing it's trend towards organic,
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: becoming more and
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: more organic, becoming
  Larry Martin: We should make a big sponge lemon and
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: then it'd be it would be yellow.
  Shane Gregory: So
  Kent Stone: Th
  Larry Martin: It's Yeah.
  Kent Stone: that's
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: very good.
  Shane Gregory: So something
  Kent Stone: Glow-in-the-dark.
  Shane Gregory: like that we we should do.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: And people uh the f feel of the material is expected to be spongy rather than just having a plastic look, hard look.
  Kent Stone: Well, that's
  Larry Martin: Mm.
  Kent Stone: good. That's
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: what we kind of
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: predicted
  Shane Gregory: So
  Kent Stone: anyway.
  Shane Gregory: so that they could play with it while handi uh while handling it.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: So that should also be taken
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: into consideration. So
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: these are my views. So
  Kent Stone: spongy, not real spongy, you can
  Shane Gregory: No it
  Kent Stone: Do
  Shane Gregory: ca
  Kent Stone: you think like rubber would be good or does it
  Shane Gregory: y
  Kent Stone: really want to be
  Shane Gregory: a The
  Kent Stone: like gel kind of
  Shane Gregory: rubber
  Kent Stone: stuff?
  Shane Gregory: which is good for health and which is quite disposable
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: that we
  Kent Stone: Quite
  Shane Gregory: can take
  Kent Stone: disposable.
  Shane Gregory: into co Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: 'Cause we It shouldn't be have any harm to the environment also,
  Kent Stone: Oh
  Shane Gregory: because
  Kent Stone: okay.
  Ernest Bishop: Alright,
  Shane Gregory: our company
  Ernest Bishop: okay.
  Shane Gregory: is very well for taking all these concerns into consideration,
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Shane Gregory: so we don't want to have any harm to the society,
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: so
  Ernest Bishop: Fashion.
  Kent Stone: Cool.
  Ernest Bishop: Mm
  Shane Gregory: So
  Ernest Bishop: 'kay.
  Shane Gregory: that's all.
  Ernest Bishop: Fruit and veg, well there you go. Just what I think of
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Ernest Bishop: when I think of a
  Kent Stone: A remote control?
  Ernest Bishop: remote control.
  Kent Stone: Yeah. And were there any factors that weren't important in the survey, that they said we don't want?
  Shane Gregory: S uh we
  Kent Stone: Or
  Shane Gregory: didn't
  Kent Stone: was it just
  Shane Gregory: find out any such
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: point. Uh
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-mm-mm-mm.
  Shane Gregory: yes, there could be, but we couldn't find out any,
  Kent Stone: Cool.
  Shane Gregory: so
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.
  Kent Stone: F_, what is it? Um.
  Ernest Bishop: Function F_ eight.
  Kent Stone: yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Hmm.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: No signal.
  Shane Gregory: Oh no,
  Kent Stone: Is that?
  Larry Martin: No,
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Larry Martin: it's got
  Shane Gregory: uh yeah,
  Larry Martin: it's got
  Shane Gregory: uh yeah.
  Larry Martin: it.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Okay,
  Ernest Bishop: Excuse
  Kent Stone: and then
  Ernest Bishop: Shane Gregory.
  Kent Stone: F_ five, right?
  Ernest Bishop: Uh, yeah.
  Kent Stone: Okay. Um okay, so the interface concept um. Yeah. The interface specification, what people um how they interact with it basically, I think. Um so the method, we looked at existing designs, what are the what's good about them, what's bad about them, um I looked at their flaws, so we're going to look at their flaws, everything. Um and what the survey told us and what we think would be good, so a bit of imagination.
  Ernest Bishop: Mm 'kay.
  Kent Stone: Uh the findings, I've got some pictures to show you as well.
  Ernest Bishop: either.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: Hmm.
  Kent Stone: Okay, so most remote controls use graphical interface, where you um have got s buttons and you point it rather than having the output as a a stream of text or something.
  Ernest Bishop: Uh okay.
  Kent Stone: Um and we also found that there's inconsistent layout, which makes it confusing. So I think for our remote control There is some inconsistency already in ec existing in between remote controls, but I think standard kind of um shape and uh play and those kind of but buttons like the the top right for on and off or something, I think,
  Ernest Bishop: Right,
  Kent Stone: people
  Ernest Bishop: okay.
  Kent Stone: find that
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: important,'cause then it's easy to use. And we've got some pictures of some uh new remote controls to show you. Do
  Ernest Bishop: Excellent.
  Kent Stone: I press Escape F_ five?
  Ernest Bishop: Uh
  Kent Stone: Or
  Ernest Bishop: no
  Kent Stone: just
  Ernest Bishop: just escape
  Kent Stone: Escape,
  Ernest Bishop: should
  Kent Stone: okay.
  Ernest Bishop: uh
  Kent Stone: Um, oh I still haven't got my glasses on. Yeah, okay. So these are the some of the pictures of existing ones.
  Larry Martin: Wow.
  Kent Stone: I'll just walk you through them. This one is a voice recognition. And
  Ernest Bishop: 'Kay.
  Kent Stone: that's the kind
  Ernest Bishop: Looks
  Kent Stone: of idea
  Ernest Bishop: pretty
  Kent Stone: we're going
  Ernest Bishop: complicated.
  Kent Stone: for. There's um an L_C_D_ thing, which we thought could I thought could get a bit confusing and a bit
  Ernest Bishop: Right,
  Kent Stone: expensive
  Ernest Bishop: okay.
  Kent Stone: as well for us. This one is got a kind of scroll like a mouse,
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-hmm,
  Kent Stone: which
  Ernest Bishop: like the middle button.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Kent Stone: Um and But I'm not exactly sure how you'd use that, like
  Ernest Bishop: Ah it's
  Kent Stone: would
  Ernest Bishop: kinda
  Kent Stone: the
  Ernest Bishop: like scrolling
  Kent Stone: computer
  Ernest Bishop: uh
  Kent Stone: come
  Ernest Bishop: right, well, if I s if I'm thinking of the right one, I've got the same thing in front of my monitor, you scroll it and the when you reach the sort of um menu item that you require, you press the
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh,
  Ernest Bishop: middle
  Kent Stone: that's like
  Ernest Bishop: of the scroll.
  Kent Stone: the L_C_D_ one, is
  Ernest Bishop: Right,
  Kent Stone: it?
  Ernest Bishop: okay.
  Kent Stone: But the one below that has got like a little scroll function on the side. But I presume that the functions must come up on the T_V_ screen.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: I
  Ernest Bishop: presumably.
  Kent Stone: think
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: that's what that is. So these are just a few ideas. Again that's just quite boring shape, grey, looks quite space-agey, but too many buttons, I think
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: on
  Larry Martin: Uh
  Kent Stone: that
  Larry Martin: it looks
  Ernest Bishop: looks
  Kent Stone: one.
  Larry Martin: threatening.
  Ernest Bishop: like uh looks like something out
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: of a jet.
  Kent Stone: it does look kind of dangerous.
  Larry Martin: It looks like
  Shane Gregory: Hmm.
  Kent Stone: Um
  Larry Martin: yeah.
  Kent Stone: this one I thought was really cool. It's w it's got the programmability function that we talked about. You can put it in there, it's for your kids, and it's quite an organic shape and the little circle around there is pretty cool.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Kent Stone: And that's really easy to use, bright, so I like this one lot for our design. I think something like that would be good.
  Larry Martin: Wow.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: Of course
  Ernest Bishop: I m
  Kent Stone: yellow.
  Ernest Bishop: I mean the one thing I think about about these ones is um these kl uh secured areas um, I've seen a lot of them with the the cover missing.
  Kent Stone: Right,
  Ernest Bishop: So
  Kent Stone: yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: like have it hinge rather than sort
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: of clip on
  Kent Stone: that's
  Ernest Bishop: or whatever.
  Kent Stone: true. Yeah. Um so maybe that could be built into one of the things and it comes up on the T_V_ or something. And this one, the over-sized one, I don't know about you, but I think it's a bit too gimmicky. I don't think
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: that will
  Ernest Bishop: I mean is
  Kent Stone: sell
  Ernest Bishop: that not
  Kent Stone: very
  Ernest Bishop: sort
  Kent Stone: well.
  Ernest Bishop: of to assist the blind or something, is it?
  Kent Stone: I guess so. I don't know. I think
  Ernest Bishop: Strange.
  Larry Martin: Then
  Kent Stone: that's a bit
  Larry Martin: d blind don't watch T_V_.
  Kent Stone: Yeah
  Ernest Bishop: No they do,
  Kent Stone: exactly.
  Ernest Bishop: they do. They
  Larry Martin: They
  Ernest Bishop: listen
  Larry Martin: do?
  Ernest Bishop: to it. Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah. And um this one is just pointing out. I like some of these things um the the raised symbols and everything, but pointing out um that this one the volume it is kind of pressing down, but it would actually go up, because
  Ernest Bishop: Right,
  Kent Stone: of the
  Ernest Bishop: okay.
  Kent Stone: shape. So that could that's a bit confusing. Um but the buttons on this I think are it's just showing you how you can have different different um buttons. They don't have to be all the same. So that's quite cool. Um.
  Ernest Bishop: 'Kay but people tend to recognise certain shapes to do certain things anyway,
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: don't they?
  Kent Stone: exactly. Um F_ five. Yes. So there are some of the findings. So we need to combine those ones um
  Ernest Bishop: Brilliant. That's handy.
  Kent Stone: Um yeah it is, just in time, very handy. Um so I think maybe incorporating that in our design would be good. It's you
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Kent Stone: program it like you say, record, um and then, play, and then, record, play machine, and stuff like that, so that's And it's much Yeah. So that's quite cool. Uh personal preferences just some imagination, the raised symbols I thought were good, the L_C_D_, it does look smart, but I think maybe for our budget, do you think that would be a bit too expensive to have the
  Larry Martin: The L_C_D_
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: and the other stuff uh, I think.
  Kent Stone: And the speech recognition, 'cause I think we're definitely going for the speech recognition, are we?
  Shane Gregory: But in our market survey we have seen that people are willing to pay more, but
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Shane Gregory: they want the quality, they want f fancy look, they want some new design, something new.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Shane Gregory: Uh
  Kent Stone: But our budget,
  Ernest Bishop: It's still
  Shane Gregory: yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: it's still got
  Kent Stone: we've
  Ernest Bishop: to get within
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: our twelve fifty,
  Shane Gregory: So even
  Ernest Bishop: you know.
  Shane Gregory: if we increase our cost little bit, within uh some limits, and we give something new technological advancement as well as new design with fancy outlook,
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Shane Gregory: I think we will meet the requirements and we will be able to have a good sales
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: in the market.
  Kent Stone: I'm not
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Kent Stone: sure if
  Larry Martin: Ben
  Kent Stone: the if
  Larry Martin: bana
  Kent Stone: for twenty five Euros uh per uh twelve Euros fifty m
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: manufacturing cost,
  Ernest Bishop: I can't see tha Although, th I mean
  Kent Stone: The
  Ernest Bishop: to
  Kent Stone: L_C_D_.
  Ernest Bishop: be to be sure they have got I mean they are going crazy with the L_C_D_ technology now, so that you've got your L_C_D_ T_V_s and everything so maybe the small
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: But I mean like I I the black and white, I guess, it just doesn't look funky enough.
  Kent Stone: No.
  Ernest Bishop: Um but, I mean, like even mobile phones or whatever have now have colour L_C_D_ screens, w
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: I ju
  Larry Martin: Hmm.
  Kent Stone: S
  Ernest Bishop: I mean I wouldn't know about the costs of them.
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Larry Martin: But uh
  Ernest Bishop: Twelve
  Larry Martin: price
  Shane Gregory: And
  Ernest Bishop: fifty.
  Shane Gregory: the
  Larry Martin: not withstanding, is it, is be just overload?
  Shane Gregory: Uh
  Kent Stone: Yeah, that's
  Shane Gregory: i
  Kent Stone: the thing, because
  Ernest Bishop: Possibly.
  Shane Gregory: it will be easy because there will be, on L_C_D_ s screen, there will be different frent icons, they can just click
  Larry Martin: But but
  Shane Gregory: ok okay, whatever
  Larry Martin: the
  Shane Gregory: they
  Larry Martin: thing
  Shane Gregory: wa
  Larry Martin: is when you use a remote control, you never look at it, right?
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: You're looking at the
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: T_V_
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: and
  Kent Stone: That's true, yeah.
  Larry Martin: and it's uh It just seems kind of like a
  Kent Stone: And one of the
  Larry Martin: a needless
  Kent Stone: survey
  Larry Martin: th
  Kent Stone: findings was that they want it easy to use, so I
  Ernest Bishop: Right.
  Kent Stone: think I'm not sure about the L_C_D_. It's a it's great, it's a good idea, but for our budget and for the thing we're trying to go for eas easy to use, it's not the thing we should go for, I think. Child-friendly, I thought this was good, as you pointed out the um the bit, it often goes missing especially with children, but it's a good shape and the organic is kind of we could make a vegetabley kind of round shape, I think.
  Larry Martin: So which
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: vegetable?
  Ernest Bishop: Well I mean we
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: could make a
  Kent Stone: I know, carrot.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah. Well, si
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: since we're going for the uh the k the sort of company colours, I think your lemon wasn't that far
  Larry Martin: The the lemon.
  Ernest Bishop: s
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Well what are the options?
  Ernest Bishop: And if it doesn't work you know,
  Kent Stone: But
  Ernest Bishop: we've
  Kent Stone: we don't
  Ernest Bishop: just
  Kent Stone: want
  Ernest Bishop: made
  Kent Stone: it to
  Ernest Bishop: a lemon.
  Kent Stone: be Yeah. Um the child-friendly, yeah. Easy to use, it seems quite easy to use. I like the d the different shapes of the buttons and
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-hmm.
  Kent Stone: stuff. I think
  Ernest Bishop: I
  Kent Stone: that's
  Ernest Bishop: like
  Kent Stone: a good idea
  Ernest Bishop: I like
  Kent Stone: to go
  Ernest Bishop: the colourful
  Kent Stone: for.
  Ernest Bishop: buttons as well.
  Kent Stone: Yeah. And the mouse one, I thought it was a good idea, because people use mo mice mouses now with the scrolling
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: thing. Um.
  Ernest Bishop: I mean we are marketing to sort of twenty five to thirty
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: five, so most people will have come in contact with that
  Kent Stone: S yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: kind of use.
  Kent Stone: So they'd be able to use that um, as I said I think i I'd presume it would come up on the screen.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Um so there
  Ernest Bishop: And
  Kent Stone: you
  Ernest Bishop: that
  Kent Stone: go.
  Ernest Bishop: means tha that means you get to bump that bit to the T_V_ maker, so
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Oh.
  Kent Stone: So that's um the user interface
  Ernest Bishop: 'Kay.
  Kent Stone: design. So
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Kent Stone: okay, I'll take this out now then.
  Larry Martin: Um
  Kent Stone: There you go.
  Larry Martin: so I guess there are a lot of options that we're gonna have to choose from among,
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Larry Martin: and
  Ernest Bishop: looks
  Larry Martin: I'll
  Ernest Bishop: like it.
  Larry Martin: I'll give you the uh,
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Larry Martin: I guess, technical considerations for those.
  Ernest Bishop: Uh
  Larry Martin: And I'm gonna use the whiteboard, just 'cause we haven't used it.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, I was just thinking the self same
  Larry Martin: Right.
  Ernest Bishop: thing.
  Larry Martin: So, the way I'm gonna do this is uh we're gonna take a look at some old remote controls, see how they work, uh reuse the the vital kind of um essential pieces of it, and then we'll throw in our new innovations um and keep it all within budget. So uh
  Ernest Bishop: Magic man.
  Larry Martin: yeah, looking inside a a very simple remote control. Um this is what they sent Shane Gregory. 'Kay. Here's uh the competition, I suppose. Um you open it up, there's a circuit board inside,
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-hmm.
  Larry Martin: um and there's a a chip, a processor, the T_A_ one one eight three five, which um receives input from the buttons,
  Ernest Bishop: So
  Larry Martin: and
  Ernest Bishop: this
  Larry Martin: ch
  Ernest Bishop: is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip, is it?
  Larry Martin: Right, it's very they're very cheap remote. This remote costs nothing, you know. Um so that takes a signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the to the amplifier, which is made of some transistors and amplifiers, op-amps, and then that gets sent to the uh to the L_E_D_ light, which I can kinda see is that little red light bulb
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Larry Martin: at the end,
  Ernest Bishop: Right.
  Larry Martin: and that sends out the infrared uh light signal to the television. Oh here it is. Um so this is kind of the the bear essentials that we need to have in our remote control, because
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Larry Martin: it it defines
  Ernest Bishop: So
  Larry Martin: the uh
  Ernest Bishop: can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum
  Larry Martin: R
  Ernest Bishop: or?
  Larry Martin: Um no, I mean this is a very old one, so now with the new technology this is a
  Ernest Bishop: They gotta be
  Larry Martin: a minimally small and cheap thing
  Ernest Bishop: Almost
  Larry Martin: to
  Ernest Bishop: a
  Larry Martin: make.
  Ernest Bishop: key-ring.
  Larry Martin: Right. So this is what we need to have for certain. Um.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Larry Martin: So you know, as we said, we got the outer casing, which we have to decide, you know, what's it gonna be, um the board we have to use basically uh the same set-up, processor, um we'll probably use the more advanced processor than they had, amplifier and transmitter are all standard. Um so for the casing, uh this an e-mail I got from our manufacturing team uh, you know, we have a bunch of options from wood, titanium, rubber, plastic, whatnot, um latex, double-curved, curved. So
  Ernest Bishop: 'Kay.
  Larry Martin: lots of choices, what do we think? Uh or
  Ernest Bishop: Well.
  Larry Martin: sponge, I guess, isn't on there, right.
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Larry Martin: Organic
  Ernest Bishop: Well, I mean like
  Larry Martin: sponge.
  Kent Stone: I'm
  Ernest Bishop: la
  Kent Stone: not
  Ernest Bishop: latex
  Kent Stone: sure about the sponge.
  Ernest Bishop: has a kinda spongy feeling to it, doesn't it. Um
  Larry Martin: Uh yeah, it's very elasticy for sure.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: And that would k also give it kinda durability and
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Um.
  Ernest Bishop: and ther that's also f sorta relatively cheap to cast.
  Larry Martin: Yeah so
  Ernest Bishop: Um so maybe s uh a sort of uh plastic initial plastic with a a latex kinda sheath?
  Larry Martin: Okay so, here are a a plastic, uh latex
  Kent Stone: I like the rubber, the stress balls, I think, you know,
  Ernest Bishop: Oh right,
  Kent Stone: that
  Ernest Bishop: okay.
  Kent Stone: could be a bit of a gimmick like it's
  Larry Martin: Oh
  Ernest Bishop: I don't
  Larry Martin: right.
  Ernest Bishop: know what that
  Kent Stone: good
  Ernest Bishop: stuff
  Kent Stone: to hold
  Ernest Bishop: is.
  Kent Stone: and
  Larry Martin: So something with give to it.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Kent Stone: And
  Larry Martin: And
  Kent Stone: that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around.
  Larry Martin: and the colour is yellow, right?
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: Or at least
  Kent Stone: y
  Ernest Bishop: incorporating,
  Kent Stone: yellow
  Ernest Bishop: yeah.
  Kent Stone: incorporated,
  Larry Martin: Yellow,
  Kent Stone: yeah.
  Larry Martin: okay. Um.
  Ernest Bishop: I mean I forgot i we're sort of uh I don't know what other
  Kent Stone: I think
  Ernest Bishop: standard silver kind of
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Ernest Bishop: Other parts or uh
  Kent Stone: Yeah, the buttons w like, 'cause there's gonna be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-hmm.
  Kent Stone: two different colours or i if
  Larry Martin: Mm' kay.
  Kent Stone: we're having buttons actually,
  Larry Martin: So
  Kent Stone: I
  Larry Martin: yellow
  Kent Stone: don
  Ernest Bishop: Um.
  Larry Martin: for the body, and then what colour for the buttons?
  Ernest Bishop: Um I quite like the multi-coloured buttons myself.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: So multi-coloured buttons.
  Kent Stone: You do have ones like um play could be green or on and off is red, and stuff like that, yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah or yeah a limit uh maybe
  Kent Stone: Makes
  Ernest Bishop: even
  Kent Stone: it
  Ernest Bishop: just
  Kent Stone: easy
  Ernest Bishop: a limited
  Kent Stone: to use.
  Ernest Bishop: multi-colour so it it doesn't look too childish,
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: perhaps.
  Kent Stone: that's true, because that blue one did look
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: quite hardish.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: Although I mean this uh uh also comes to shape as well. I mean if we are gonna make it a novel I mean double-curved sounds good to Shane Gregory if
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: we're talking
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: about sorta ergonomic and easy use,
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: a bit comfier, you know.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Mm 'kay so the shape we wanna go Um how exactly? Maybe double
  Kent Stone: Like uh an hour glass kind of figure, is that what you're thinking of, or
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah
  Kent Stone: just
  Ernest Bishop: it's uh,
  Kent Stone: like
  Ernest Bishop: yeah,
  Kent Stone: a
  Ernest Bishop: that that'd be that's sort of comfortable to hold, easy to hold so you don't
  Kent Stone: It's
  Ernest Bishop: drop
  Kent Stone: not
  Ernest Bishop: it.
  Larry Martin: What about
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: a banana? Yeah?
  Kent Stone: We could make novelty remote controls.
  Larry Martin: Okay,
  Ernest Bishop: Well, yeah, I mean like
  Larry Martin: like we could have a big banana shaped remote control, 'cause it's yellow fruit,
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Larry Martin: right?
  Ernest Bishop: yeah. Mm
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: and a lemon might be a
  Kent Stone: But
  Ernest Bishop: little
  Kent Stone: then how
  Ernest Bishop: hard
  Kent Stone: would
  Ernest Bishop: to
  Kent Stone: you point
  Ernest Bishop: grip.
  Kent Stone: it?
  Shane Gregory: Ah
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: yeah. Mm-hmm.
  Kent Stone: How would you point it?
  Larry Martin: Oh
  Kent Stone: What
  Larry Martin: i it doesn't matter which end you point, I guess. We could have a little L_E_D_s on each end.
  Ernest Bishop: They only cost pennies.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, I appreciate this idea, because then this this will help us in our advertisement also and we can relate with fruits and vegetables, the people's choices. That what our data shows that,
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: so this w this
  Ernest Bishop: Huh?
  Shane Gregory: w
  Kent Stone: y I'm I'm not sure about the banana idea.
  Larry Martin: So a
  Ernest Bishop: Um.
  Larry Martin: spongy
  Kent Stone: Rubber
  Larry Martin: banana
  Kent Stone: banana.
  Ernest Bishop: I mean
  Larry Martin: re Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: that that th
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: does it does seem a bit uh again childish maybe.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Okay, okay.
  Kent Stone: I think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape. And what else did you say about fashions? What was trendy?
  Shane Gregory: Uh the fashion trend shows
  Ernest Bishop: S
  Shane Gregory: that fruits and vegetables,
  Larry Martin: See
  Shane Gregory: like people uh
  Ernest Bishop: And sponginess.
  Shane Gregory: now
  Kent Stone: And
  Larry Martin: So
  Kent Stone: spongy,
  Larry Martin: maybe an an
  Shane Gregory: Spongy.
  Kent Stone: yeah.
  Larry Martin: unidentifiable fruit or
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: fiable fruit or vegetable
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: like so it would have a stem perhaps and
  Kent Stone: Maybe,
  Larry Martin: a
  Kent Stone: yeah.
  Larry Martin: maybe a it'd be s
  Ernest Bishop: Huh.
  Kent Stone: Like
  Larry Martin: axially
  Kent Stone: what's
  Larry Martin: symmetric.
  Kent Stone: what's that, I don't even know the name of it, some kind of, you know where it's like looks like a little snowman kind of thing. I don't know the name of that.
  Larry Martin: So it'd look like this kinda.
  Kent Stone: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
  Larry Martin: Like a gourd
  Ernest Bishop: Uh.
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Larry Martin: almost,
  Kent Stone: maybe that's what they are.
  Larry Martin: or a squash of some sort?
  Kent Stone: 'Cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit and
  Larry Martin: Yeah, and it has a a clear top and bottom so
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: y so you could say, you know, it transmits from this end.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, why the hell not. Let's
  Kent Stone: I don't know.
  Ernest Bishop: that'll make us fifty
  Kent Stone: What do you
  Ernest Bishop: million
  Kent Stone: guy
  Ernest Bishop: Euros.
  Kent Stone: What do you think?
  Ernest Bishop: Um. Well, I guess it's kind of dra uh you don't necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just
  Kent Stone: No.
  Ernest Bishop: to have that kind of fruitish shape,
  Larry Martin: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: yeah?
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, then only we can relate it
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Shane Gregory: with
  Ernest Bishop: we
  Shane Gregory: something.
  Ernest Bishop: can relate it by advertising
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: or
  Shane Gregory: Exactly.
  Larry Martin: Okay, so double-curved, single-curved, what do we feel?
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: Or the public choose
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Shane Gregory: what they want.
  Ernest Bishop: There's
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: a good man. There's a good idea.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Larry Martin: Okay um, I guess, since you're the marketing guy.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, sure.
  Larry Martin: We'll
  Shane Gregory: I will
  Larry Martin: uh
  Shane Gregory: be happy to do that.
  Larry Martin: Okay, we could do that. Um.
  Kent Stone: Okay. And buttons would, did we say? Uh different shapes of buttons?
  Ernest Bishop: Um I l I su I mean for the specific functions, you know, up and down, uh
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Ernest Bishop: play, stop.
  Larry Martin: Okay,
  Ernest Bishop: They've
  Larry Martin: so
  Ernest Bishop: got, I mean, they've got standard sort of intuitive um
  Larry Martin: so buttons.
  Ernest Bishop: things that are always used.
  Larry Martin: Okay, just like that.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: That's cool. I like it.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: Um.
  Larry Martin: With the scroll-wheel or no?
  Kent Stone: Yeah, what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition?
  Ernest Bishop: Uh speech recognition, I think, so we need a microphone presumably.
  Larry Martin: Okay uh I could put the microphone here.
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Larry Martin: Okay there's the microphone.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Where should I put
  Ernest Bishop: I mean
  Larry Martin: the
  Ernest Bishop: ho
  Larry Martin: microphone?
  Ernest Bishop: h h wel are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use?
  Kent Stone: Yeah, I'm not sure. Um I mean those ideas I saw were just for inspiration, I think.
  Ernest Bishop: Glad, we're not doing
  Kent Stone: Um
  Ernest Bishop: this for real.
  Kent Stone: yeah, I can no I'm not sure. I couldn Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: And uh I think if this this new software for the sound recognition is the
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: microphone
  Larry Martin: So should the microphone be just anywhere on it or
  Ernest Bishop: I would put it sort of sub-centrally, so it's Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: 'Kay there's the mic.
  Ernest Bishop: So it can be sort of
  Kent Stone: That's
  Ernest Bishop: held
  Kent Stone: cool.
  Ernest Bishop: and w We really need really gonna need to hold it, if it's gonna be voice recognition.
  Larry Martin: Um n well we can Whoops.
  Ernest Bishop: Oops.
  Larry Martin: Um.
  Ernest Bishop: Um.
  Kent Stone: So let's not use the whiteboard any more.
  Larry Martin: Yeah. Um.
  Ernest Bishop: Upsidaisy.
  Larry Martin: Oops, sorry. Okay.
  Kent Stone: And uh so what else was there? Um the What about the glow-in-the-dark thing, the strip around it? Are we just gonna
  Ernest Bishop: I
  Kent Stone: leave
  Ernest Bishop: s
  Kent Stone: that?
  Ernest Bishop: I still like it. Um
  Kent Stone: You still like it.
  Ernest Bishop: but that's Shane Gregory.
  Kent Stone: 'Cause we've got the uh technological innovation with the speech
  Larry Martin: Right.
  Kent Stone: recognition
  Ernest Bishop: Yes,
  Kent Stone: system.
  Ernest Bishop: or maybe it's just going a bit uh too far. I mean we are pushing it probably with
  Kent Stone: 'Cause
  Ernest Bishop: funny
  Kent Stone: um it
  Ernest Bishop: fruit
  Kent Stone: could
  Ernest Bishop: shapes.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Um don't wanna sort of overkill.
  Kent Stone: Especially with yellow. Mm. I dunno.
  Larry Martin: Hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: 'Cause I mean like uh if we I mean how good is the speech recognition thing? Do we want to go for buttons at all, do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it's a fruit?
  Kent Stone: Then you put it in the fruit bowl?
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, you know, and then
  Larry Martin: They
  Ernest Bishop: you
  Larry Martin: can
  Ernest Bishop: just
  Larry Martin: work
  Ernest Bishop: tal
  Larry Martin: from
  Ernest Bishop: I
  Larry Martin: a
  Ernest Bishop: mean
  Larry Martin: You don't
  Ernest Bishop: like
  Larry Martin: have
  Ernest Bishop: everybody's
  Larry Martin: to hold it.
  Ernest Bishop: got fruit bowl in front of the telly.
  Larry Martin: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: Um.
  Larry Martin: I it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers,
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: you know they have
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: uh fruits
  Ernest Bishop: Make them
  Larry Martin: all round
  Ernest Bishop: make
  Larry Martin: them.
  Ernest Bishop: them think
  Larry Martin: Now
  Ernest Bishop: of fruit, yeah.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: just make sure they don't eat the remote.
  Ernest Bishop: I mean uh
  Kent Stone: Yeah, do we
  Ernest Bishop: some
  Kent Stone: need buttons?
  Ernest Bishop: uh I l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like uh, I dunno, an apple.
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Ernest Bishop: Then it's just apple so sort of Uh,
  Larry Martin: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: yellow apples though Hmm.
  Kent Stone: I quite like the shape. I quite like the design of that, uh 'cause that could sit on its own and
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: it's quite
  Ernest Bishop: Okay,
  Kent Stone: got
  Ernest Bishop: yeah,
  Kent Stone: a quite
  Ernest Bishop: that's
  Kent Stone: steady
  Ernest Bishop: good.
  Kent Stone: base.
  Ernest Bishop: Groovy.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Kent Stone: Um
  Larry Martin: But
  Kent Stone: and
  Larry Martin: yeah
  Kent Stone: as we say we n we don't wanna be too ridiculous with the fruit things
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: you know.
  Larry Martin: But yeah, about the speech thing, it doesn't have to be hand held or close. It can sit at a distance and
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: pick
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Larry Martin: it up
  Ernest Bishop: So
  Larry Martin: still.
  Ernest Bishop: I mean like you could actually Yeah,
  Shane Gregory: Or
  Ernest Bishop: gives you
  Shane Gregory: we
  Ernest Bishop: the
  Shane Gregory: can
  Ernest Bishop: options.
  Shane Gregory: we can do one thing, we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes, different fruit shapes
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Shane Gregory: in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece.
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Shane Gregory: So whatever people want, like if somebody want it in banana shape, we will put that casing onto that mobile phone,
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Shane Gregory: okay,
  Ernest Bishop: So a selection
  Shane Gregory: it will look
  Ernest Bishop: of casings.
  Shane Gregory: l Uh yeah.
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Shane Gregory: In
  Ernest Bishop: It
  Shane Gregory: that
  Ernest Bishop: kind
  Kent Stone: 'cause
  Ernest Bishop: of
  Kent Stone: you
  Ernest Bishop: fi
  Shane Gregory: w
  Kent Stone: said
  Ernest Bishop: it fits
  Kent Stone: about disposable,
  Ernest Bishop: with f fits with
  Kent Stone: didn't
  Ernest Bishop: marketing
  Kent Stone: you?
  Shane Gregory: S s
  Ernest Bishop: um
  Shane Gregory: sorry?
  Kent Stone: You said about disposable earli people want disposable things so
  Shane Gregory: Uh
  Kent Stone: we could
  Shane Gregory: like
  Kent Stone: do that,
  Shane Gregory: if
  Kent Stone: like
  Shane Gregory: this
  Kent Stone: have a
  Shane Gregory: is
  Kent Stone: choice.
  Shane Gregory: a like if this is a mobile phone uh we will design casing in such a way like half of, we need not to have a full cover,
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: we will just have a half of cover, okay?
  Ernest Bishop: Like
  Shane Gregory: If somebody
  Ernest Bishop: like mobiles,
  Shane Gregory: wants it
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: yeah.
  Shane Gregory: i in banana shape, we will fit banana shape casing onto that, so it will give a banana shape look. If somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that, we will put we will put apple shape casing on that. It will give apple shape look.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: So in that way you can have any, that means whatever you want,
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: without
  Kent Stone: We still
  Shane Gregory: uh yeah.
  Kent Stone: need the buttons in the same places
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: thought, don't
  Shane Gregory: button will
  Kent Stone: we?
  Shane Gregory: be
  Ernest Bishop: You
  Shane Gregory: on
  Ernest Bishop: can
  Shane Gregory: the upper
  Ernest Bishop: standardise
  Shane Gregory: side,
  Ernest Bishop: those, I mean.
  Shane Gregory: buttons will be the on the upper side.
  Kent Stone: Oh, that's the
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: other side. Oh,
  Shane Gregory: buttons
  Kent Stone: okay.
  Shane Gregory: will be on the upper side, lower side we will just put the casing, so half of that will be look
  Kent Stone: Oh, half
  Shane Gregory: the
  Kent Stone: a fruit.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: Oh,
  Shane Gregory: not
  Kent Stone: okay,
  Shane Gregory: not the
  Kent Stone: okay.
  Shane Gregory: upper side. So from lower you can, it means while you are holding of from this side you c you can have banana look or apple
  Kent Stone: Okay,
  Shane Gregory: look, whatever.
  Kent Stone: okay.
  Shane Gregory: So in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything, we will just design casings fruit shape.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Larry Martin: Yeah
  Ernest Bishop: I think
  Shane Gregory: And
  Larry Martin: yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: tho I think if you're gonna have a facia then you'd want to have it so that it does go over the buttons, 'cause when if you think about it if they're wanting it, 'cause they want to look at it, if they're using it, and what they want to look at is facing away from them.
  Kent Stone: Mm
  Ernest Bishop: It doesn't really
  Kent Stone: mm.
  Ernest Bishop: You know 'cause that'd be in the palm of their hand and they wouldn't be able to see
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: it, unless you have sort of you got the buttons options on one side, and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down. And you've got the facia, and you can just talk at the
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: Maybe.
  Larry Martin: Okay, um so
  Ernest Bishop: So you've narrowed it down to half a dozen options.
  Larry Martin: Yeah, s I guess we decided on material, right? So that that spongy latex rubber
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: everything feel,
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: and the colours we got down,
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: and
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: the shape, maybe we'll just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or
  Kent Stone: Well, um because Well, I I'm not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing, because I think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit and uh
  Ernest Bishop: Okay,
  Kent Stone: because
  Ernest Bishop: so we stick with what we've got there.
  Kent Stone: what Yeah, w I think wh wha would we're trying to get to twenty five, thirty five year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said. They wanted something that looks fancy and I think maybe fruit could be a bit of a too much of a gimmick, but something ergonomically shaped and organic, like good to hold, based on fruits and natural things like that,
  Ernest Bishop: Mm 'kay.
  Kent Stone: because al already we're going a bit gaudy with the yellow, you know.
  Ernest Bishop: Mm-hmm.
  Kent Stone: I
  Larry Martin: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: mean we could make it nice pale yellow.
  Ernest Bishop: Well, it's kind of gotta be our company's yellow.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: So again I mean like we could have, uh I mean, we could quite easily have the the main body be a different
  Kent Stone: Yeah. Maybe we
  Ernest Bishop: colour,
  Kent Stone: could have
  Ernest Bishop: but
  Kent Stone: that
  Ernest Bishop: have
  Kent Stone: pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with, you said, the logan the slogan.
  Ernest Bishop: kinda going round, yeah.
  Larry Martin: Mm.
  Kent Stone: Because
  Ernest Bishop: Um I mean e even if I mean not necessarily that the um the whole body has to be of the company colour, so
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: you know um blue and yellow tend to go to we well together. So you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: up one side of it kind
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: of thing.
  Kent Stone: Uh-huh.
  Larry Martin: Mm-hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: W sort of
  Larry Martin: Great. Um as for the energy source um, you know, almost every remote control uses just batteries, but we don't have to be limited by that. We can use a hand-dynamo. Um I don't
  Ernest Bishop: Uh
  Larry Martin: know what that means, we crank
  Ernest Bishop: It's
  Larry Martin: it?
  Ernest Bishop: I think it's basically the more you move i it, it's got a wee thing inside that just kinda
  Larry Martin: Right, it's
  Ernest Bishop: powers
  Larry Martin: like those
  Ernest Bishop: it.
  Larry Martin: watches
  Ernest Bishop: Uh
  Larry Martin: that you
  Ernest Bishop: yeah.
  Larry Martin: c So, this
  Kent Stone: Oh,
  Larry Martin: might
  Kent Stone: a
  Larry Martin: be
  Kent Stone: d
  Larry Martin: an idea for
  Kent Stone: a
  Larry Martin: something
  Kent Stone: dynamo?
  Larry Martin: that people really wanna grab,
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Larry Martin: you can shake it if it's
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: out of power.
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, I
  Kent Stone: like
  Ernest Bishop: like
  Kent Stone: with
  Ernest Bishop: that,
  Kent Stone: those
  Ernest Bishop: yeah.
  Kent Stone: watches that you kind
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: of twist. Yeah
  Larry Martin: Okay. So
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: But
  Kent Stone: that's
  Larry Martin: if
  Kent Stone: quite
  Larry Martin: it if
  Kent Stone: cool.
  Larry Martin: it's not working,
  Ernest Bishop: You shake
  Larry Martin: I guess people's
  Ernest Bishop: it and
  Larry Martin: natural
  Ernest Bishop: scream at
  Larry Martin: reaction
  Ernest Bishop: it.
  Larry Martin: anyway is to
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: just
  Shane Gregory: But
  Larry Martin: shake the thing.
  Kent Stone: Yeah, it
  Shane Gregory: but
  Kent Stone: is,
  Shane Gregory: do
  Kent Stone: yeah.
  Shane Gregory: you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo, tha these type of cells? Because then people have to, well like if the cell is out
  Ernest Bishop: It does leave
  Shane Gregory: of
  Ernest Bishop: them with
  Shane Gregory: bat
  Ernest Bishop: an obligation to
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, to
  Ernest Bishop: Especially
  Shane Gregory: mo
  Ernest Bishop: if they want to use it uh uh
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: sp uh specifically as um voice activated.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: Then
  Shane Gregory: because
  Larry Martin: Right.
  Kent Stone: Yeah,
  Shane Gregory: most
  Ernest Bishop: if it's just
  Shane Gregory: of the
  Ernest Bishop: sitting
  Shane Gregory: people
  Kent Stone: then
  Ernest Bishop: on the
  Kent Stone: they have to pick it up and then activate
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: it and then Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay, okay.
  Kent Stone: That's true.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: Right um what are the other options?
  Larry Martin: Uh there's solar power.
  Shane Gregory: Uh,
  Larry Martin: Um.
  Shane Gregory: solar power will w also not be a good idea, because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: in
  Larry Martin: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: solar energy, and the days when there is no sola
  Ernest Bishop: I'm
  Shane Gregory: sunlight
  Ernest Bishop: I'm with uh Raj
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: on that, I
  Larry Martin: Okay,
  Ernest Bishop: think,
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: so
  Ernest Bishop: you
  Larry Martin: probably
  Ernest Bishop: know,
  Larry Martin: just
  Ernest Bishop: I've got I've
  Shane Gregory: What
  Ernest Bishop: got no
  Shane Gregory: we
  Ernest Bishop: I've got a north facing
  Shane Gregory: w
  Ernest Bishop: house, there's not really
  Shane Gregory: yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: ever sun
  Kent Stone: But
  Ernest Bishop: coming
  Shane Gregory: I
  Kent Stone: w
  Ernest Bishop: in
  Shane Gregory: think
  Ernest Bishop: my
  Kent Stone: like
  Ernest Bishop: window.
  Shane Gregory: we should
  Kent Stone: just
  Shane Gregory: a rechargeable
  Kent Stone: normal light?
  Ernest Bishop: Oh
  Shane Gregory: battery
  Ernest Bishop: that's true.
  Shane Gregory: will be a good idea. They can
  Ernest Bishop: I mean
  Shane Gregory: they
  Ernest Bishop: I
  Shane Gregory: can
  Ernest Bishop: w I
  Shane Gregory: recharge
  Ernest Bishop: w uh that
  Shane Gregory: it.
  Ernest Bishop: idea that I thought um just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that
  Larry Martin: Mm.
  Ernest Bishop: kind of bother
  Kent Stone: And we're
  Ernest Bishop: is
  Kent Stone: a very
  Ernest Bishop: having
  Kent Stone: environmentally
  Ernest Bishop: a,
  Kent Stone: friendly company,
  Ernest Bishop: yeah, having
  Kent Stone: aren't
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: we as
  Ernest Bishop: a
  Kent Stone: well?
  Ernest Bishop: rechargeable stand, so
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: that not only it doubles
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: as a stand, but um for using it as uh recharging it, but also for using it
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: as sound recognition.
  Larry Martin: 'Kay.
  Kent Stone: Like like a hand like one of those portable phones
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah
  Kent Stone: kind
  Shane Gregory: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: of thing.
  Ernest Bishop: that
  Shane Gregory: that's
  Ernest Bishop: kind of thing.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, exactly.
  Larry Martin: So uh a rechargeable battery.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Ernest Bishop: Rechargeable.
  Larry Martin: Um the user interface, the buttons, I guess we talked about this already.
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Ernest Bishop: What's
  Larry Martin: Um.
  Ernest Bishop: chip on print? What's
  Larry Martin: Hmm?
  Ernest Bishop: Sorry, never mind.
  Larry Martin: Uh th the uh the electronics um, basically the more features we add um Oops, this one. So the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Larry Martin: and put in, which adds to the cost
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Larry Martin: as you can expect. Um. But uh I think we can keep it all under budget. So uh yes, so the speech thing you said our our techno our research and development department came up with some break-through.
  Kent Stone: Mm-hmm.
  Larry Martin: So
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: Just
  Ernest Bishop: and if
  Kent Stone: in time.
  Ernest Bishop: we if we're
  Larry Martin: just
  Ernest Bishop: just
  Larry Martin: in time.
  Ernest Bishop: having buttons and the speech then we're getting our cheapest option of chipping.
  Larry Martin: Right, right.
  Ernest Bishop: That's good. Uh woah.
  Larry Martin: Yeah,
  Ernest Bishop: Okay,
  Larry Martin: and
  Ernest Bishop: we're
  Larry Martin: keeping
  Ernest Bishop: we're kind
  Larry Martin: the L_C_D_
  Ernest Bishop: of uh
  Larry Martin: screen out.
  Ernest Bishop: we're kind of um Excuse m I've just deleted that whole thing. Um we're kind of running out of time, so if you could Uh. Was that you? Um
  Larry Martin: Huh?
  Ernest Bishop: that was your bit's covered, I just
  Larry Martin: Oh
  Ernest Bishop: dele
  Larry Martin: yeah that
  Ernest Bishop: I
  Larry Martin: was that
  Ernest Bishop: just
  Larry Martin: was
  Ernest Bishop: accidentally
  Larry Martin: it.
  Ernest Bishop: deleted what I was supposed to say next.
  Shane Gregory: Uh excuse Shane Gregory,
  Ernest Bishop: Um,
  Shane Gregory: Bri
  Ernest Bishop: yeah.
  Larry Martin: So
  Ernest Bishop: Oh, yeah.
  Larry Martin: control F_ eight, right?
  Kent Stone: Yeah, mine seems to have turned off. I can't
  Ernest Bishop: And I just
  Kent Stone: do
  Ernest Bishop: touch
  Kent Stone: anything.
  Ernest Bishop: the pad.
  Shane Gregory: You just touch the pad, yeah.
  Kent Stone: No.
  Shane Gregory: No?
  Ernest Bishop: It's actually shut down.
  Kent Stone: It's on, but there's nothing
  Ernest Bishop: Okay,
  Kent Stone: on the screen.
  Ernest Bishop: um now
  Larry Martin: Try uh
  Ernest Bishop: what
  Larry Martin: flipping the screen
  Ernest Bishop: we
  Larry Martin: down.
  Ernest Bishop: have uh our next meeting's in half an hour
  Larry Martin: 'Kay.
  Ernest Bishop: and what I would like you guys to do is work on giving Shane Gregory a model in clay.
  Larry Martin: Oh, I get to do it, too.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah.
  Kent Stone: Cool.
  Ernest Bishop: It's
  Larry Martin: Oh
  Ernest Bishop: you guys.
  Larry Martin: neat.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah. So um, you know I mean, luckily we chose a nice simple shape.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Larry Martin: Yeah,
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Larry Martin: yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Um and further instructions will be sent by your personal coaches.
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Larry Martin: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: That's great.
  Larry Martin: Save everything to the shared documents, is that right?
  Ernest Bishop: Uh yeah, I hope
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: I can recover this, 'cause I've accidentally deleted it.
  Shane Gregory: Mm-hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: Which doesn't really help Shane Gregory much.
  Kent Stone: I think, I've saved mine already.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, can you save that uh send that last one again, please, Raj, as I still
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: can't find it on the
  Shane Gregory: Uh it was under a different name. I will show you, in shared documents.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: Uh working components. Oh, you didn't get that.
  Ernest Bishop: No.
  Shane Gregory: I will send new.
  Ernest Bishop: Okay, thank you.
  Shane Gregory: Uh I'll put it in shared documents, again.
  Ernest Bishop: Um yeah, Project, Project Documents.
  Shane Gregory: Project documents, sorry, I put it in the shared documents.
  Ernest Bishop: Uh right, that's
  Shane Gregory: Uh yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: that's the that it goes there automatically if you put it in Project Documents. Project Documents is on the um desktop.
  Shane Gregory: Right, that's great. But I cou can't open that, because it w asks uh for some username or password.
  Larry Martin: Oh.
  Ernest Bishop: Really?
  Shane Gregory: I'll show you.
  Larry Martin: Uh these lapel mics are trouble.
  Shane Gregory: Ts
  Ernest Bishop: Oh right, I think um Hold on.
  Shane Gregory: Sorry. Uh.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, I don't know if y it it just ca it just came up on my um on my agenda. S Um presumably there's clay somewhere. Um. Four.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, that's great.
  Ernest Bishop: Whoops. Light, light, please. Light. Right, there you go.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah, th thank you.
  Ernest Bishop: Yeah, quite. And we're using this our basic chip set, so it's all
  Shane Gregory: Oh sorry.
  Ernest Bishop: good.
  Larry Martin: Are we done with our meeting?
  Shane Gregory: Uh
  Ernest Bishop: Um I think
  Shane Gregory: excuse
  Ernest Bishop: we're almost
  Shane Gregory: Shane Gregory, Brian.
  Ernest Bishop: done, yeah.
  Shane Gregory: You have
  Larry Martin: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: to keep your pen separate, because I used your pen.
  Ernest Bishop: Oh oops. Sorry
  Shane Gregory: S
  Ernest Bishop: man. Uh okay, still didn't manage to get down all the last bits so we had rechargeable and Uh. Apples. Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. 'Kay, so we came up with that, that's okay. What's supplements? Supplements. Uh uh. See.
  Kent Stone: Cool. Fun.
  Ernest Bishop: I shoulda something like that. If I kn see I I knew that. I shoulda sort of engineered it so we k ended up making a diffi difficult shape.
  Shane Gregory: Hmm.
  Ernest Bishop: Just for cruelty.
  Kent Stone: Yeah.
  Shane Gregory: Hmm.
  Kent Stone: Star fruit.
  Ernest Bishop: I wonder
  Shane Gregory: So
  Ernest Bishop: if they mean
  Shane Gregory: sh
  Ernest Bishop: like literally make it, sort of buttons
  Shane Gregory: should
  Ernest Bishop: and everything.
  Kent Stone: No.
  Shane Gregory: Should we leave
  Kent Stone: Oh yeah,
  Shane Gregory: now,
  Kent Stone: we can do buttons.
  Shane Gregory: Brian? Or
  Ernest Bishop: Um.
  Shane Gregory: we are going to discuss something?
  Ernest Bishop: Uh no, I think that's us our discussion over unless anybody's got questions or confusions,
  Kent Stone: No I'm good.
  Ernest Bishop: 'cause I'm confused.
  Shane Gregory: Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: Huh?
  Kent Stone: Okay.
  Shane Gregory: Excuse Shane Gregory.
  Ernest Bishop: Um uh we'll probably get questionnaire in a minute, it's a
  Kent Stone: Mm.
  Shane Gregory: Sorry. Thank you. Yeah.
  Ernest Bishop: There we go. Warning, finish meeting now.
  Shane Gregory: So.
  Ernest Bishop: I rounded it up far too fast. Um. Where are we going? My Documents, that's not what I want. My Project Documents. There we go.
Updated Content: Shane Gregory presented the results of a market survey that indicated users' most important preferences in remote control features. He discussed trends in fashion that should be incorporated into the prototype design. Kent Stone compared the designs of several competitors' remotes to decide which features should be used in their own design. She discussed using voice recognition, an LCD screen, and color to make the device easier to use and to improve its look. Larry Martin went over all of the internal components and materials that will be incorporated in the design. He gave a layout of the placement of the components in the device. The group decided to use a rubber or latex material to give the device a spongy feel. He discussed the color and shape of the remote with the group and the placement of the components on the device. The group discussed colors and shapes further, and decided that the remote will be yellow, and perhaps having a fruit-inspired shape. The group decided to use a rechargeable battery and recharging stand. Ernest Bishop instructed Kent Stone and Larry Martin to construct the prototype.