Extracted Content: James England: Okay, welcome to the detailed design meeting. Again, I'm gonna take minutes. Oh, we're gonna have a prototype presentation first. Uh, who's gonna give the prototype presentation? You two guys?
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: Okay. Go ahead.
  Michelle Czelusniak: coffee.
  Joan Smith: 'Kay, we've made a prototype Um, we've got uh uh our aspects from the last meeting. Uh, especially we looked at the form, material and the colour. Um, we've uh drawn here the p prototype. The logo is uh is uh is pretty uh obvious to see on the on the remote control, but it is necessary when you want to build your uh company f to a level higher. Um, our interface elements, there are shown in the drawing. Maybe you can uh point them uh The functions.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh well, the uh all the functions are discussed uh I think the most of the functions are uh uh obvious. Uh, it's a little bit. Uh, power button. Uh then the the the nine uh channels. Uh the volume uh uh at the side, and the other side is the programmes. And then we had uh just uh two buttons, we place them in the middle, uh the menu, and for the teletext
  James England: Oh no,
  Michelle Czelusniak: that
  James England: the
  Lydia Washington: Alright,
  Michelle Czelusniak: was th
  James England: the
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: the mute button misses now.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Oh,
  James England: Do y do
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: you
  Michelle Czelusniak: the mute
  James England: did
  Michelle Czelusniak: button.
  Joan Smith: But
  James England: we want
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: to
  Joan Smith: that
  James England: have a m
  Joan Smith: It's
  James England: mute button?
  Joan Smith: uh here
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: then, in the middle.
  Lydia Washington: Alright,
  James England: Huh.
  Lydia Washington: and uh you gotta point out which is the volume um uh button
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Lydia Washington: and
  Joan Smith: um
  Lydia Washington: which is the programme button.
  Joan Smith: we've
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well,
  Joan Smith: disc
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah mo uh mo Yeah, well most of them are right-handed.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: Most
  Lydia Washington: but
  Joan Smith: of
  Lydia Washington: you
  Joan Smith: the users
  Lydia Washington: you gotta make it clear on the on
  Joan Smith: Yes, y
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah
  Joan Smith: there
  Michelle Czelusniak: well,
  Joan Smith: there will be
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  Joan Smith: a p a
  Michelle Czelusniak: don't
  Joan Smith: little
  Michelle Czelusniak: have time in
  Joan Smith: a
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh
  Joan Smith: little
  Michelle Czelusniak: anymore
  Joan Smith: P_ on
  Michelle Czelusniak: on the
  Joan Smith: that and
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: a little
  Lydia Washington: and a and
  Joan Smith: uh
  Lydia Washington: a triangle
  Michelle Czelusniak: Oh yeah, just
  Lydia Washington: on that.
  Michelle Czelusniak: progr
  Joan Smith: yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: programme
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: above,
  Lydia Washington: Next
  Michelle Czelusniak: I think.
  Lydia Washington: to that I kinda miss a zero actually.
  James England: Wait, there's was one thing I wanted to ask. Uh, there are different ways for remote to uh do like uh d I call it teens and twenties. Uh, y
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: th th th the two numbers.
  Lydia Washington: All n no, that's um
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: It's a television.
  Michelle Czelusniak: true,
  Lydia Washington: kinda dependent
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah.
  Lydia Washington: on the television.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh
  James England: but do we have do we need extra buttons, for example
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh
  Lydia Washington: think
  James England: some uh some
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Michelle Czelusniak: think
  James England: have to
  Michelle Czelusniak: so.
  Joan Smith: yes, you have you have a lot of standard buttons that has to be uh on it, uh
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, I think
  Joan Smith: th
  Lydia Washington: you
  Joan Smith: with
  Lydia Washington: should
  Joan Smith: the
  Lydia Washington: add
  Joan Smith: one and a double
  Michelle Czelusniak: Zero?
  Joan Smith: uh uh
  Lydia Washington: A cross, or whatever.
  Michelle Czelusniak: May
  James England: Yeah, but you
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: maybe
  Joan Smith: yes.
  James England: don't
  Lydia Washington: line.
  Michelle Czelusniak: here?
  James England: you don't actually need them, becau b l a lot of remote controls work that y when y that you when you fir you push the
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: one first, then
  Michelle Czelusniak: And
  James England: you
  Michelle Czelusniak: then
  James England: have
  Michelle Czelusniak: a second.
  Lydia Washington: No,
  James England: a
  Lydia Washington: that's
  James England: couple
  Lydia Washington: dependent
  James England: of seconds
  Lydia Washington: on the television.
  James England: No, I don't think so.
  Joan Smith: Yes, you have
  Lydia Washington: I
  Joan Smith: televisions,
  Lydia Washington: do know so.
  Joan Smith: then you have to,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Is
  Joan Smith: you
  Michelle Czelusniak: it
  Joan Smith: know, you
  Michelle Czelusniak: depending
  Joan Smith: have to
  Michelle Czelusniak: on television?
  Joan Smith: uh press
  James England: Nah, I
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: don't think so really, because you have a I know some remote controls that don't have these buttons, but you still can, know, obviously you can still
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  James England: select the twenty uh
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: a number in the
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: twenty
  Joan Smith: a lot
  James England: or
  Lydia Washington: Yes,
  James England: in the
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: ten.
  Lydia Washington: but uh uh no uh remote control nowadays are um they come with the television. Or actually, the other way around. But
  James England: No, I think uh I really think it's n because you can when when you put a button on it with like one and uh then a dash,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: it's the same thing as when you just push the one, because it i it first
  Joan Smith: Yes, but
  James England: gives you the functionality of that that uh separate button you also had to
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: uh
  Lydia Washington: well
  James England: apply.
  Lydia Washington: but su
  Joan Smith: some
  Lydia Washington: If
  Joan Smith: televisions don't accept uh
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: that
  James England: because
  Joan Smith: that
  James England: that's i it's for television. It's exact the same thing.
  Joan Smith: No, no, but
  Lydia Washington: No no no. So some
  Joan Smith: s
  Lydia Washington: television respond differently. Look, if uh i
  James England: No,
  Lydia Washington: i
  James England: listen listen. When you push the button, the remote control gives a signal. I in th in the first place
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  James England: it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it.
  Lydia Washington: Yes, that's
  James England: The one
  Lydia Washington: true.
  James England: with dash, that signal gi and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds, then the remote control
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: gives a signal for channel one.
  Michelle Czelusniak: True.
  Lydia Washington: No
  James England: I think it works that way,
  Lydia Washington: No, it
  James England: really.
  Lydia Washington: it it works uh if you haven't got uh a special button for it, uh if you push a one, then on your television there will appear a one and a a line,
  James England: Yeah, but it's exact
  Lydia Washington: which is
  James England: the same
  Lydia Washington: an empty space.
  James England: that w would
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  James England: appear
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: when
  Joan Smith: some
  James England: you put a separate button
  Joan Smith: some
  James England: push
  Joan Smith: old
  James England: a separate
  Joan Smith: televisions
  James England: button.
  Joan Smith: uh you have to uh click on uh a special button, uh then you go to a a next level, you can push two buttons.
  James England: Yeah, but you don't
  Lydia Washington: Yep.
  James England: underst uh you don't
  Lydia Washington: True.
  James England: understand my point. I think
  Joan Smith: You want
  James England: it's exact the same thing
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  James England: when
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: y
  Joan Smith: some television don't support it.
  James England: No, but
  Michelle Czelusniak: But
  James England: then
  Michelle Czelusniak: the ex
  James England: they would a would also support that button, because it's the same thing. Listen, with that that's that special but button you're talking about, eh? That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv T_V_ that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash, which you can pu so you can uh still put another number on it. When you don't have that separate button, and you push y one, it's exactly the same thing. Do y you the remote control gives that same signal
  Lydia Washington: No, s
  James England: as
  Lydia Washington: some
  Joan Smith: No,
  James England: it would
  Joan Smith: a remote
  James England: give
  Joan Smith: can
  James England: when
  Lydia Washington: some
  James England: you only
  Lydia Washington: televisions
  James England: had
  Lydia Washington: need the input first
  James England: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: uh
  Joan Smith: Yes, so
  Lydia Washington: and
  Joan Smith: they
  James England: But
  Joan Smith: need
  James England: you
  Lydia Washington: and
  James England: give
  Lydia Washington: you c
  James England: the input.
  Joan Smith: no, they
  James England: You
  Joan Smith: need
  James England: push the one. That's the same thing as the button
  Lydia Washington: No, that's
  James England: with
  Lydia Washington: not
  James England: the one
  Lydia Washington: true.
  James England: and it
  Lydia Washington: It's
  James England: yes it
  Lydia Washington: simply
  James England: it is.
  Lydia Washington: not
  James England: Think
  Lydia Washington: true.
  James England: about it.
  Lydia Washington: It's simply
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: No,
  Lydia Washington: not
  Joan Smith: but
  Lydia Washington: true.
  Michelle Czelusniak: You
  Lydia Washington: Uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh you can
  Joan Smith: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash,
  James England: And it's the same
  Michelle Czelusniak: and then
  James England: thing
  Michelle Czelusniak: wait
  James England: what happens
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh
  James England: and
  Michelle Czelusniak: two
  James England: a g remote
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh seconds
  James England: control
  Michelle Czelusniak: or something
  James England: gives another signal after five seconds that is just one.
  Lydia Washington: No, remote control doesn't give signal after five seconds. Remote control is a stupid thing. If you push a button, it sends
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: it
  James England: that's
  Lydia Washington: immediately
  James England: true.
  Lydia Washington: to to the television.
  James England: Yeah, but I m uh but it's I I know for sure that some televisions that w th th the
  Joan Smith: Yeah,
  James England: remote
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: control supplied, only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash, but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn't sport these buttons, it still works. But okay,
  Lydia Washington: No,
  James England: we
  Lydia Washington: definitely
  James England: we'll impl
  Lydia Washington: not.
  Michelle Czelusniak: We'll discuss
  Lydia Washington: Definitely
  Michelle Czelusniak: them
  Lydia Washington: not.
  Michelle Czelusniak: in the usability lab.
  James England: No, we'll apply
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh eva
  James England: them then
  Michelle Czelusniak: evaluation.
  James England: for now.
  Michelle Czelusniak: I don't know uh I don't know if if it's
  James England: Yeah, app
  Michelle Czelusniak: it's
  James England: just apply
  Michelle Czelusniak: necessary.
  James England: them next to the zero, the one and the
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah?
  James England: two. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, for now, if we don't know for sure whether
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay.
  Joan Smith: And
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  Joan Smith: the button for the SCART uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Ach.
  Joan Smith: audio video uh external
  James England: Yeah but
  Joan Smith: input.
  Lydia Washington: Uh, you can access
  James England: okay.
  Lydia Washington: that uh via zero, and
  James England: What
  Lydia Washington: then
  James England: I said
  Lydia Washington: minus,
  James England: about
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: uh
  Lydia Washington: guess.
  James England: the remote control sending
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: another signal, that that might
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: not be true, but I still think i it it all T_V_s in some ways support it, I don't know.
  Joan Smith: No, no.
  James England: I think it's more c is m maybe we don't uh we both don't really understand how it i how it really works, but I think there's more to in than wha
  Joan Smith: Uh,
  James England: than
  Joan Smith: remote
  James England: what you
  Joan Smith: control
  James England: just said.
  Joan Smith: sends one signal at one button uh press.
  James England: I do think that uh m
  Joan Smith: Uh,
  James England: T_V_s
  Joan Smith: some
  James England: support mur multiple kind of remote
  Joan Smith: N
  James England: controls.
  Joan Smith: some televisions
  James England: M
  Joan Smith: when when you want to go further than uh ten
  James England: Th won't work wi
  Joan Smith: No,
  James England: with
  Joan Smith: you
  James England: uh
  Joan Smith: have to you have to
  James England: to
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: have that
  Joan Smith: give
  James England: special
  Joan Smith: the television
  James England: button.
  Joan Smith: uh two or more signals. When you uh press one button, you give one signal. And the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher. But
  Lydia Washington: Yep.
  James England: Okay, well we'll see.
  Joan Smith: When you make the technology that that it will uh give more signals, it could work, but Just a basic idea of of of the most uh most y most common uh and simple uh operations on the
  Lydia Washington: Okay.
  Joan Smith: remote.
  Lydia Washington: I kinda miss the docking station.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: Yes. It's here on the
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well it yeah, uh there's nothing
  Joan Smith: We came
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  Joan Smith: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: think it's pretty basic, the the there's
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: no fu there's
  Lydia Washington: No
  Michelle Czelusniak: one
  Lydia Washington: nothing
  Michelle Czelusniak: there's one
  Lydia Washington: really
  Michelle Czelusniak: button,
  Lydia Washington: trendy about it.
  Michelle Czelusniak: that's wha there's there's there's one function and that's n the one
  Joan Smith: But
  Michelle Czelusniak: button
  Joan Smith: maybe we can
  Lydia Washington: The
  Michelle Czelusniak: when
  Lydia Washington: button.
  Michelle Czelusniak: you want to find
  Joan Smith: maybe
  Michelle Czelusniak: it.
  Joan Smith: we can make the docking station uh uh a bit standard for for uh the other products we sell, because Real Real Reaction sells more products than only remote controls.
  Lydia Washington: Yep.
  Joan Smith: So maybe we can uh use the docking station, for example, uh M_P_ three players or or uh uh hearing devices.
  Lydia Washington: I think that's very difficult, because of different shapes of uh
  Joan Smith: Yes, but
  Lydia Washington: uh
  Joan Smith: when
  Lydia Washington: devices.
  Joan Smith: you put that same volt voltages on it, you can put uh when
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: the
  Lydia Washington: of course.
  Joan Smith: when the when uh o the the the lowest part of it, when
  Lydia Washington: Mm-hmm.
  Joan Smith: it's o the same as the other products, you can put it all on the same uh
  Lydia Washington: Well it it got it it has got to fit into the shape, of course.
  Joan Smith: Yes, but we can make
  Lydia Washington: The technology and the voltage can be the same. That's uh that's true. But uh i if you all make the m having a bottom like this,
  Joan Smith: No, we
  Lydia Washington: then
  Joan Smith: can
  Lydia Washington: they
  Joan Smith: make
  Lydia Washington: all
  Joan Smith: uh make
  Lydia Washington: fit.
  Joan Smith: the most lowest part all the same.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, that's true, but uh
  Joan Smith: When when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out, we can place all on top of it.
  Lydia Washington: Yes, but
  Joan Smith: Just
  Lydia Washington: uh
  Joan Smith: have
  Lydia Washington: I
  Joan Smith: to
  Lydia Washington: I
  Joan Smith: be
  Lydia Washington: g
  Joan Smith: big enough for the
  Lydia Washington: Shouldn't
  Joan Smith: biggest
  Lydia Washington: it fall then? It isn't going to fall down? That's a bit uh yeah, I
  Joan Smith: No,
  Lydia Washington: think
  Joan Smith: when you make it large enough no it it will not. But then it's
  Lydia Washington: No, but
  Joan Smith: a little
  Lydia Washington: if
  Joan Smith: bit
  Lydia Washington: if like this, I'll I'll point it out, if you got uh
  Joan Smith: But
  Lydia Washington: a
  Joan Smith: it's just
  Lydia Washington: a a
  Joan Smith: an
  Lydia Washington: base
  Joan Smith: idea.
  Lydia Washington: a base like this, I won't draw it really. If you got a base which is uh
  Joan Smith: But
  Lydia Washington: as
  Joan Smith: it's flat
  Lydia Washington: big as this
  Joan Smith: it's flat as as this, so we can p make all the products
  Michelle Czelusniak: You can.
  Joan Smith: as flat as this.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah
  Michelle Czelusniak: But
  Lydia Washington: sure,
  Michelle Czelusniak: i
  Lydia Washington: but
  Michelle Czelusniak: i
  Lydia Washington: if
  Michelle Czelusniak: i
  Lydia Washington: you
  Michelle Czelusniak: it's
  Lydia Washington: got if
  Michelle Czelusniak: backwards.
  Lydia Washington: you got a tiny player, it can
  Joan Smith: Yes, but when you make uh uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: But
  Joan Smith: a bit
  Michelle Czelusniak: it's it's
  Joan Smith: of
  Michelle Czelusniak: backwards.
  Joan Smith: big
  Michelle Czelusniak: It's leaning. It's leaning backwards, I think, in
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: the in the
  Lydia Washington: Uh, wha
  Michelle Czelusniak: docking
  Lydia Washington: what
  Michelle Czelusniak: station.
  Lydia Washington: you could do if you uh from the bottom oh, right,
  Michelle Czelusniak: That's text.
  Lydia Washington: help.
  James England: But
  Lydia Washington: Uh, you could make like a hole in it, you know,
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Lydia Washington: of uh in in
  Joan Smith: little
  Lydia Washington: the
  Joan Smith: holer littler Uh, little
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: products go deeper
  Lydia Washington: That
  Joan Smith: in
  Lydia Washington: i
  Joan Smith: it.
  Lydia Washington: that is possible,
  James England: Well let's
  Lydia Washington: yep.
  James England: ha let's talk about the docking station later, because uh maybe
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: we have
  Lydia Washington: sure,
  James England: we
  Lydia Washington: you're right.
  James England: have to uh consider the docking station anyway, because we have some uh
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: cost
  Joan Smith: And
  James England: issues
  Joan Smith: uh uh
  James England: still
  Lydia Washington: Oh.
  James England: to come. But we
  Joan Smith: the
  James England: have
  Joan Smith: f
  James England: to look
  Joan Smith: the
  James England: n I
  Joan Smith: look
  James England: don't
  Joan Smith: and
  James England: know.
  Joan Smith: feel would be great on this uh remote control,
  Lydia Washington: I don't
  Joan Smith: because
  Lydia Washington: like the colours.
  Joan Smith: uh you always uh will uh pick up the remote control in
  Lydia Washington: Mm-hmm.
  Joan Smith: the in the smallest uh area.
  James England: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: Then your uh left thumb of uh your right thumb is uh near the programme uh button, which is the most common used uh function, and all the other buttons are available for your uh thumb. So it's
  James England: Okay.
  Joan Smith: it's it's really good design.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: Alright.
  James England: That's it?
  Joan Smith: Yes, uh on the side uh there will be a strip of rubber, and in the middle uh there is uh a hard
  Lydia Washington: The light.
  Joan Smith: uh a hard material, a bit hard plastic with a light uh behind it.
  Lydia Washington: Okay. And other lights?
  James England: I think added lights
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  James England: are gonna
  Joan Smith: we can
  James England: be a problem
  Joan Smith: make also
  James England: too.
  Joan Smith: n neon lights on it, or or the buttons
  Lydia Washington: No, o on
  Joan Smith: that
  Lydia Washington: the on
  Joan Smith: can
  Lydia Washington: the
  Joan Smith: make
  Lydia Washington: front.
  Joan Smith: uh light
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, okay.
  Joan Smith: on it.
  Lydia Washington: Maybe the uh the logo.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: lights?
  Joan Smith: But, it will also
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, why not?
  Joan Smith: uh uh use batteries, and do we
  Lydia Washington: Of
  Joan Smith: want
  Lydia Washington: course.
  Joan Smith: to
  James England: Okay.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Mm.
  James England: For now, uh this is uh is good enough.
  Lydia Washington: Okay.
  James England: Yeah, what was uh on the
  Joan Smith: The all the aspects of the interface buttons were uh
  James England: Okay, but in the oh yeah, the colour, one colour for the rubber, isn't
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: it? Then we're gonna do the buttons in the i are we're gonna have rubber buttons. And
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: they're be
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: a
  Lydia Washington: Uh,
  James England: they'll
  Lydia Washington: in
  James England: be
  Lydia Washington: the same
  James England: in the same
  Lydia Washington: colour
  James England: colour
  Lydia Washington: as the
  James England: as
  Lydia Washington: side.
  James England: the rubber on the side.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, I think
  James England: Okay.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: I think
  James England: And
  Lydia Washington: that'll be
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: good.
  James England: think we
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: should use a a darker colour for the um plastic, and maybe some more m brighter and flashy
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  James England: stuff
  Joan Smith: maybe we can use
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  Joan Smith: on the on the lights on the side we can use uh uh multiple uh lights, so it will uh
  James England: Yeah, we'll talk about the lights later.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: 'Cause
  Lydia Washington: Yep.
  James England: I also don yeah, it's depends on the costs and such.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: But uh, and we have to agree uh upon the exact colours, but may I dunno if that's important, but we'll talk about that later. Okay, for now this
  Lydia Washington: We
  James England: is
  Lydia Washington: will.
  James England: this is okay. Um, the next p y you gonna give a presentation too? Uh, I have to see the agenda.
  Lydia Washington: Well,
  Joan Smith: No.
  Lydia Washington: uh yeah, I I'm gonna do something right there, yeah.
  James England: Detail design.
  Lydia Washington: We gotta do that on the right the most right-most screen, because
  James England: Evaluation
  Lydia Washington: the leftmost
  James England: criteria.
  Lydia Washington: Yep, that's Lydia Washington.
  James England: Okay.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay.
  Lydia Washington: Alright. I will be needing that image, so leave it please. Um Go away. Right, we're gonna evaluate that design according to a few points. Um, we g the four of us are going to do that um together. I wanna have a colour over here, come on. Right, the remote is not ugly, a bit weird sentence, but the positive things has to be on the left, so I said not ugly instead of ugly. Uh, what would you say, we we gotta give points to uh to all of these to evaluate uh that design, and please forget the drawing skills of these guys.
  James England: Okay.
  Lydia Washington: The remote control is not ugly. How do you feel?
  James England: Yeah, I think four maybe would be appropriate, because it's Yeah, maybe it really depends on taste. Uh, I mean it's kind of, our design. It's
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  James England: so
  Joan Smith: Yeah.
  James England: if maybe a lot of people find it really ugly, you know, o other people find it really cool.
  Lydia Washington: Background colour.
  James England: I don't know or uh I don't know how you
  Lydia Washington: How
  Joan Smith: I
  James England: Casting.
  Lydia Washington: do
  Joan Smith: think
  Lydia Washington: you guys feel?
  James England: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: I think the the fronts will give it a more uh uh uh less uglier uh side, because you can uh make
  Lydia Washington: The different
  Joan Smith: it in your
  Lydia Washington: designs.
  Joan Smith: own yes, you can
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  Joan Smith: make it in your own uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: Okay.
  Joan Smith: more to your own personality or or house
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: style.
  James England: but we d we didn't we're we're not planning to use fronts, I believe.
  Lydia Washington: No, not not fronts, but
  James England: With
  Michelle Czelusniak: No,
  James England: a
  Lydia Washington: different
  Michelle Czelusniak: not
  James England: colour
  Michelle Czelusniak: fronts.
  Lydia Washington: designs.
  James England: a co a
  Michelle Czelusniak: Different
  James England: colours.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: designs.
  James England: Oh, okay.
  Lydia Washington: And
  Michelle Czelusniak: Different
  Lydia Washington: that's still
  Michelle Czelusniak: colours
  Lydia Washington: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: maybe, yeah.
  Lydia Washington: uh, yeah, is is uh is a little
  James England: Okay, but
  Lydia Washington: personal touch, I guess.
  James England: Oh, maybe
  Lydia Washington: What?
  James England: we should do three or something that w you know, our
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, wha wha what would you uh
  Joan Smith: Or
  Lydia Washington: guys
  Joan Smith: forty.
  James England: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: uh think? Personally. Personally.
  Michelle Czelusniak: We can make it a one.
  Lydia Washington: Yes, but what is it?
  Joan Smith: I think two or three.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Mm yeah.
  Lydia Washington: Guido?
  Michelle Czelusniak: I agree.
  Lydia Washington: Two or three.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Um,
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  Lydia Washington: was
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh I go for the positive. So I go for two.
  Lydia Washington: I was thinking about three, so I guess
  James England: Uh, I was thinking about four, so I think three is uh
  Lydia Washington: three
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay,
  Lydia Washington: is
  Michelle Czelusniak: three.
  Lydia Washington: uh a bit uh oh, what am I doing? I'll mark it. The remote control's uh uh that n makes uh zapping easy.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: Yeah well, let that
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: let's make that
  Michelle Czelusniak: Two.
  James England: a one.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah?
  Michelle Czelusniak: One. One.
  Lydia Washington: Antek,
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: you agree?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay yeah, I'll I'll
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: agree.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: That's one thing for
  Lydia Washington: You're
  Michelle Czelusniak: I'm
  James England: sure.
  Lydia Washington: not
  Michelle Czelusniak: the I'm
  Lydia Washington: Antek.
  Michelle Czelusniak: the usability, so
  Lydia Washington: totally agree. The remote control the remote control's relevant buttons are prominently visible.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: Yeah, two or
  Michelle Czelusniak: The
  James England: a one, I guess. It's something we really put work into.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, I yeah. I
  Joan Smith: It's
  Lydia Washington: would
  Joan Smith: all
  Lydia Washington: say
  Joan Smith: about
  Lydia Washington: a one
  Joan Smith: the buttons.
  Lydia Washington: because uh every button is uh uh relevant. And our oh yeah, it's a b yeah. Yeah? Alright. That's a one? You agree?
  James England: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: The remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded buttons. I think we
  James England: But
  Lydia Washington: totally
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well
  Lydia Washington: succeeded there.
  James England: Well
  Lydia Washington: Oh
  James England: maybe a two, because of the menu button
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, well
  James England: or
  Michelle Czelusniak: menu
  James England: something.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, that's
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: true.
  Michelle Czelusniak: maybe.
  James England: And
  Lydia Washington: That's
  Joan Smith: Also,
  James England: telete
  Lydia Washington: true.
  Joan Smith: the the the buttons of the one, the two, the
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: the digits,
  James England: we don't know if the uh they're necessary.
  Joan Smith: o
  Lydia Washington: the the yeah, m
  Joan Smith: they're
  Lydia Washington: well,
  Joan Smith: used
  Lydia Washington: you
  Joan Smith: uh
  Lydia Washington: d
  Joan Smith: uh
  Lydia Washington: you've got a point.
  James England: I think a two.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, true.
  Joan Smith: Can yes,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: three,
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  Joan Smith: two.
  James England: Came
  Michelle Czelusniak: agree.
  James England: a long way,
  Lydia Washington: Two
  James England: but
  Lydia Washington: or three?
  James England: not we didn't not uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Mm two.
  Lydia Washington: Two?
  Joan Smith: But
  Lydia Washington: Antek.
  Joan Smith: you can't make a remote control without them,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Because
  Joan Smith: because
  Michelle Czelusniak: we got
  Lydia Washington: Nay that that that's true, that's true. They're definitely needed.
  James England: No, w
  Lydia Washington: So
  James England: w it can also always be more simplistic,
  Lydia Washington: we put
  James England: but
  Lydia Washington: it on a
  James England: two
  Lydia Washington: two?
  James England: is yeah.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: The remote control has got a really trendy look.
  Joan Smith: Yes. A one.
  Lydia Washington: Maarten.
  James England: Yeah, uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well.
  James England: a t I think a two. Yeah yeah, y i it's hard to say from this picture.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: We we've tried to make it uh the the best trendy
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: look uh ever.
  Lydia Washington: Ever, yeah. Guido.
  James England: But
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh,
  James England: I do
  Michelle Czelusniak: I will
  James England: think
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  James England: it's
  Michelle Czelusniak: will
  James England: more
  Michelle Czelusniak: make it a three, because uh yeah. I
  James England: But I
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  James England: do
  Michelle Czelusniak: th
  James England: think that it's more trendy than beautiful.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, uh
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: I agree. I agree.
  James England: So so I think
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: maybe it has
  Michelle Czelusniak: True,
  James England: to score
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah.
  James England: higher uh on this
  Lydia Washington: I was
  James England: than
  Lydia Washington: planning
  James England: on the
  Lydia Washington: to give it a two, uh where I give the not ugly uh
  James England: A th a three.
  Lydia Washington: oh, yeah, that's true. You agree on the two?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: I i uh when you compare to the
  Lydia Washington: Great. Remote control hasn't got too much redundant or unneeded
  James England: Uh uh
  Lydia Washington: buttons.
  James England: what's the difference
  Lydia Washington: Uh, I
  James England: with
  Lydia Washington: copied that one. Well, uh forget that.
  James England: Okay.
  Lydia Washington: Um Go away. Remote control has got innovative technology implanted.
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Joan Smith: No.
  James England: No.
  Michelle Czelusniak: We're not
  Joan Smith: No,
  Michelle Czelusniak: well, maybe the
  Joan Smith: not
  Michelle Czelusniak: the
  Joan Smith: L_C_D_,
  Michelle Czelusniak: the on the side.
  Joan Smith: so.
  James England: Yeah, but we uh you mean the rubber stuff?
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, and the light.
  James England: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: And the
  James England: but
  Michelle Czelusniak: light
  James England: we have
  Michelle Czelusniak: maybe.
  James England: t
  Joan Smith: But
  James England: we
  Joan Smith: that
  James England: have
  Joan Smith: that's
  James England: to talk
  Joan Smith: not
  James England: about
  Joan Smith: innovative.
  James England: the lights
  Michelle Czelusniak: But
  James England: uh. And
  Lydia Washington: Well,
  James England: I don't
  Joan Smith: Lights
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: u
  Lydia Washington: g
  James England: also it's also really not innovative,
  Joan Smith: lights are
  James England: it's more
  Lydia Washington: It's not seven?
  James England: No, six.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well, six.
  James England: Or seven maybe, yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: No, six.
  Joan Smith: Six.
  James England: Or
  Lydia Washington: Why
  James England: six.
  Lydia Washington: uh why not
  Michelle Czelusniak: Six.
  Lydia Washington: a seven?
  James England: Yeah, mine is seven.
  Joan Smith: Because we've tried to make it a little bit innovative,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: but it but
  Lydia Washington: How?
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: Uh it's uh depends on the on the
  Joan Smith: With
  James England: maybe
  Joan Smith: the lights it it's it's kind of future
  James England: No,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: you
  James England: think
  Lydia Washington: think
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: the lights
  James England: think
  Lydia Washington: are
  James England: actually
  Lydia Washington: innovative?
  James England: it's a seven maybe, but there's nothing innovative about it.
  Lydia Washington: Well, it's n true. Uh, I agree, m but
  Joan Smith: But still you can retrieve it when it's when it's gone, with the
  Michelle Czelusniak: Innovative in
  Joan Smith: with
  Michelle Czelusniak: generally
  Lydia Washington: I'll
  Michelle Czelusniak: or just
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, you
  Michelle Czelusniak: f
  Lydia Washington: you didn't draw the
  Michelle Czelusniak: original
  Lydia Washington: docking station.
  Michelle Czelusniak: for
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: N no
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: The docking
  James England: no,
  Lydia Washington: it
  James England: t.
  Lydia Washington: it's
  Joan Smith: station
  Michelle Czelusniak: A docking
  Joan Smith: is a
  Michelle Czelusniak: station
  Joan Smith: is a little
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: think
  Joan Smith: bit
  James England: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: is
  James England: mean
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: the
  Michelle Czelusniak: innova
  Joan Smith: innovative.
  Lydia Washington: think
  James England: dock station,
  Lydia Washington: with its
  James England: but but uh, I think
  Joan Smith: It's
  James England: the
  Joan Smith: a part of the remote.
  Lydia Washington: I think
  James England: the docking
  Lydia Washington: more
  James England: station,
  Lydia Washington: m
  James England: it's gonna be a kind of a problem.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay.
  Joan Smith: And with the speaker
  James England: But
  Lydia Washington: Uh that
  Joan Smith: on the
  Lydia Washington: that's
  Joan Smith: there's
  Lydia Washington: n
  Joan Smith: also a
  James England: Well,
  Joan Smith: speaker.
  James England: let's leave it open for uh for us later to see what, because we have to reevaluate anyway. Well I i
  Joan Smith: Okay.
  James England: yeah. No?
  Lydia Washington: No uh, well, the agenda says evaluate now, so I think we
  James England: Okay, for now it's a six
  Lydia Washington: It's
  James England: or a seven
  Lydia Washington: it's a six.
  James England: uh, sev six
  Michelle Czelusniak: Six.
  James England: maybe, because
  Joan Smith: But the retrieval
  Lydia Washington: That m
  Joan Smith: or
  Lydia Washington: f
  Joan Smith: the
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: for the retrieval
  James England: but I don't
  Lydia Washington: function.
  James England: I don't know if it's very inno yeah.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah. I think that's very innovative for a
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Lydia Washington: remote
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: control.
  James England: v
  Joan Smith: how would you innovate a remote control more?
  James England: Yeah, more through uh like function T_V_ functionalities
  Joan Smith: To put it on your
  James England: and
  Joan Smith: head.
  James England: no no, you know what I mean. You have must be innovative technology for remote controls, but more
  Lydia Washington: Yeah
  James England: in
  Lydia Washington: sure,
  James England: how
  Lydia Washington: but
  James England: you control stuff, not in how you find your yeah. Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: But I
  James England: it's
  Lydia Washington: d I definitely don't think
  James England: that's
  Lydia Washington: it's
  James England: that's
  Lydia Washington: a five,
  James England: think
  Lydia Washington: but
  James England: about it la later on and uh
  Lydia Washington: Remote control is easy to use.
  James England: Yeah, as a a
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: one or a two ma
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  James England: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: a
  James England: at least.
  Michelle Czelusniak: two.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: I think a two. Yeah?
  James England: Yeah, it's good.
  Michelle Czelusniak: More
  Lydia Washington: Come
  Michelle Czelusniak: two.
  Lydia Washington: on. The remote control hasn't got uh.
  James England: No, I would have seen that one before. Oh, you skipped one uh
  Lydia Washington: I've just filled uh
  James England: Uh, here.
  Lydia Washington: Go away.
  Joan Smith: You like the buttons.
  Lydia Washington: I found twelve questions so much, but it still is
  James England: Remote
  Lydia Washington: ten.
  James England: control will be bought by
  Lydia Washington: It will be bought by people under the age of forty.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: Yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yes.
  James England: Definitely.
  Joan Smith: In
  James England: Well
  Joan Smith: in and comparing with uh people of th of
  Lydia Washington: No
  Joan Smith: the age
  Lydia Washington: no no.
  Joan Smith: above?
  James England: Uh,
  Lydia Washington: No,
  James England: just
  Lydia Washington: just
  James England: in general.
  Lydia Washington: if they if they buy it.
  James England: Yeah, a two.
  Joan Smith: We don't know.
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: But
  James England: but
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, what
  James England: I think
  Lydia Washington: do you think?
  James England: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  James England: think two.
  Michelle Czelusniak: I think two, yeah. I agree.
  Lydia Washington: Antek?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Two.
  Joan Smith: Yes, two, but only in c when you compare it with with elderly.
  James England: Uh, that
  Lydia Washington: No,
  James England: is
  Lydia Washington: that's
  James England: not the
  Lydia Washington: no
  James England: question.
  Lydia Washington: comparison.
  James England: It's just w it will be bought by people under forty. Yeah, you can yeah, you can be very
  Lydia Washington: And I don't
  James England: picky about
  Lydia Washington: mean
  Joan Smith: This
  James England: it.
  Joan Smith: is
  Lydia Washington: two
  Joan Smith: just
  Lydia Washington: people.
  Joan Smith: guessing.
  James England: Ah yeah, just make it we'll make
  Joan Smith: Make
  Lydia Washington: W
  James England: it
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: a
  Lydia Washington: w
  Joan Smith: a
  James England: two.
  Joan Smith: two. When it succeeds, uh it can get a two, mu
  Lydia Washington: Right, the rem The remote control has
  James England: Oh
  Lydia Washington: recognisable
  James England: no.
  Lydia Washington: corporate image, colour,
  James England: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: logo or slogan.
  James England: Yeah, you have
  Michelle Czelusniak: We don't
  James England: make
  Michelle Czelusniak: have
  James England: an
  Michelle Czelusniak: the slogan though.
  James England: slogan is quite obvious.
  Lydia Washington: Oh, the slogan.
  James England: Oh the oh
  Lydia Washington: Can
  James England: sorry,
  Lydia Washington: we see the slogan?
  James England: no, not not the slogan.
  Michelle Czelusniak: The logo.
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: A logo.
  James England: you can put that on the side if if we would like
  Michelle Czelusniak: Underneath
  James England: to.
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Michelle Czelusniak: it
  Joan Smith: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: or something.
  Joan Smith: encrypted uh with
  James England: Yeah, and I will
  Lydia Washington: Are
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: we
  James England: th
  Lydia Washington: gonna do that?
  James England: still think it's gonna be a two
  Michelle Czelusniak: A
  James England: or
  Michelle Czelusniak: three.
  James England: a three. Maybe
  Michelle Czelusniak: Three.
  James England: a three this time.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: a three.
  Lydia Washington: Three? I agree. Because of the slogan
  James England: And
  Lydia Washington: Remote
  James England: uh
  Lydia Washington: control's got a basic design intended uh for
  James England: Uh,
  Lydia Washington: novice
  James England: it's a one
  Lydia Washington: users.
  James England: or a two.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, two.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: Two?
  James England: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Two.
  James England: make it a two.
  Lydia Washington: Two. Alright. We gotta add up the scores now to see our total average. Four, five, seven, nine. Forget that. Fifteen, seventeen, twenty one, twenty four, twenty six. Twenty six. It's a two point six.
  James England: It's not that bad.
  Lydia Washington: Alright, we yeah.
  James England: Yeah, and that's mostly the inno when we uh score higher on innovative technology, we would score two,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: which is
  Lydia Washington: True.
  James England: uh quite a great score. Okay. Uh, this is was uh the evaluation?
  Lydia Washington: This was my evaluation.
  James England: Because I
  Lydia Washington: So
  James England: I still think that the most important part
  Lydia Washington: We did
  James England: of this
  Lydia Washington: a pretty
  James England: meeting
  Lydia Washington: nice
  James England: still has
  Lydia Washington: job until now.
  James England: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: Um, is this your
  Joan Smith: Is there something
  Lydia Washington: Whatever.
  Joan Smith: after this uh meeting?
  Lydia Washington: Well, I think
  Joan Smith: Or
  Lydia Washington: we gotta fill out
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Lydia Washington: another questionnaire.
  Joan Smith: Okay.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay, yeah.
  James England: Still opened or uh Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: Okay, finance. Because um
  Michelle Czelusniak: Shoot.
  James England: I received
  Lydia Washington: A five.
  James England: uh a spreadsheet.
  Lydia Washington: A five.
  James England: Yeah, but I uh actually don't need this presentation, I guess. Oh.
  Lydia Washington: Doesn't matter.
  James England: I'm gonna open the spreadsheet and we're gonna work this out together, because I didn't really fin uh I have a. Didn't really finish it. Well, we uh We'll see. We'll stumble upon some problems.
  Lydia Washington: We probably will.
  James England: I probably have already opened it here. try it again. First of all, the mm all the docking station and costs and such are not included in this list. But let's let's st start with beginning. We include one battery. I i uh I'll explain its Uh, the the components are listed over here. Uh, price is given. We um
  Lydia Washington: The amount, yeah.
  James England: yeah, we we uh indicate the amount of components of the specif specific component, how much we need of them. And then uh, we'll uh calcula Don't watch the number yet. I don't know if it's filled in properly. Okay, we need one battery. One battery. I think
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: one battery is enough. We don't need kinetic, solar cells, hand dynamo. A s okay, this this is a p first problem. Uh, I think we should know how many simple chips, regular
  Joan Smith: Uh it's
  James England: chips
  Joan Smith: it's one one chip, but but you have to choose one from it.
  James England: Okay. But
  Joan Smith: The simple chip is e enough I I think, but with
  Lydia Washington: I
  Joan Smith: the
  Lydia Washington: don't
  Joan Smith: lights
  Lydia Washington: know
  Joan Smith: with the lights and the retrieval,
  James England: Where
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: did
  Joan Smith: can
  James England: we
  Joan Smith: be
  James England: find
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: this information?
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: Was
  Lydia Washington: haven't
  James England: it
  Lydia Washington: got an idea on on which we need to use, really.
  Joan Smith: No, uh
  James England: I think
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Joan Smith: I
  James England: it was uh your job in the first uh meet Uh, f your first presentation to make this clear, but
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: then you
  Joan Smith: my
  James England: had some
  Joan Smith: my
  James England: t
  Joan Smith: my
  James England: time problems.
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: But do you th you do you know what chip we need?
  Joan Smith: The the email I got said uh simple chip, but when we put in the speaker and the retriever uh device,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: it will uh cost a a bit more, like I think the advanced chip maybe.
  Lydia Washington: And how do you know? I mean, you got that email.
  Joan Smith: Bec
  Lydia Washington: Did it point out
  James England: Maybe you can
  Lydia Washington: what
  Joan Smith: No,
  James England: uh look
  Lydia Washington: to
  Joan Smith: the
  Lydia Washington: use
  James England: it up
  Lydia Washington: them
  James England: right
  Lydia Washington: for?
  James England: now.
  Joan Smith: they didn't know about a retriever or a
  James England: Okay, but
  Joan Smith: speaker
  James England: okay.
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: When we
  Joan Smith: in
  James England: don't
  Joan Smith: it.
  James England: when we leave the uh retriever and such aside, what
  Joan Smith: Then it's a simple chip.
  James England: then it would be a simple chip. And with the retriever, it would be an advanced chip.
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Lydia Washington: Alright,
  Joan Smith: I
  Lydia Washington: well,
  Joan Smith: I I s I
  Lydia Washington: point out the advanced chip for now, I guess.
  James England: Okay.
  Joan Smith: That will be enough
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: for
  James England: but
  Joan Smith: future
  James England: it will
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: it
  Joan Smith: recommendations.
  James England: will it will be cause a lot of problems. The sample sensor sample speaker. What is it m is that the speaker we were t I don't know what it is.
  Joan Smith: I don't know it uh either.
  Lydia Washington: I don't know.
  James England: Okay, we went for the double-curved case
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: made out of plastic and rubber. And with a special colour. I guess that's what we were
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well, special colour.
  James England: Yeah, I don't know about the special colour,
  Joan Smith: Otherwise,
  James England: but
  Lydia Washington: I
  Joan Smith: you
  Lydia Washington: don't
  Michelle Czelusniak: I
  Joan Smith: get
  Michelle Czelusniak: don't
  Lydia Washington: know
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: if
  James England: think
  Lydia Washington: it's
  Joan Smith: uh
  Lydia Washington: very special.
  James England: w
  Joan Smith: a
  James England: uh
  Joan Smith: standard uh plastic colour.
  James England: Yeah, I think we uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Mm
  James England: we have
  Michelle Czelusniak: okay.
  James England: special
  Joan Smith: Standard
  James England: colours.
  Joan Smith: rubber.
  Lydia Washington: Alright, that's okay.
  James England: Okay,
  Joan Smith: St
  James England: then the push-button, I was just counting them. Uh, I think you have to indicate the amount of push-buttons we want to use, isn't it?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Whoa, it's
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: a little
  James England: Well that's bit of a problem, because
  Michelle Czelusniak: That's huge.
  James England: I re but I really don't understand that, because I can imagine a remote control with far more push-buttons, and it wouldn't be possible according to this
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  James England: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: We have
  James England: sheet.
  Michelle Czelusniak: the simplest
  Lydia Washington: No.
  Michelle Czelusniak: buttons.
  Joan Smith: No, it's only
  James England: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: uh when you use push-buttons, it will cost that much.
  Lydia Washington: I don't think so,
  Joan Smith: If you
  Lydia Washington: because
  Joan Smith: use a
  Lydia Washington: it
  Joan Smith: scroll-wheel
  James England: Ah.
  Lydia Washington: says amount.
  James England: Yeah, it
  Lydia Washington: The
  James England: wouldn't
  Lydia Washington: the the yellow row is the amount
  James England: Fill
  Lydia Washington: of
  James England: in the number of components you plan to use in the and the total cost I don't know.
  Joan Smith: Maybe
  James England: I
  Joan Smith: it's the kind of push-buttons. You can have f four kind of push-buttons. Rubber.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh, one til
  Joan Smith: You
  Michelle Czelusniak: nine.
  Joan Smith: can have
  Michelle Czelusniak: Is that
  Joan Smith: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: one or is that nine
  James England: And I count them
  Michelle Czelusniak: buttons?
  James England: like this. One two three uh four five six seven eight nine ten
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: eleven twelve and thirteen. Because Oh, this is oh, this is one, okay. Twelve, okay, then it would be eighteen, because uh, I uh rated them as uh um
  Lydia Washington: To
  James England: as
  Lydia Washington: n
  James England: uh
  Lydia Washington: that's
  Joan Smith: Different,
  Lydia Washington: total
  James England: uh uh separate
  Lydia Washington: of four
  James England: buttons.
  Lydia Washington: buttons.
  Joan Smith: yes.
  James England: Yes. And
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: plus
  Lydia Washington: think
  James England: these
  Lydia Washington: that
  James England: two, f uh plus the mute button, and it's will be uh eighteen.
  Lydia Washington: Eighteen. One two three four five, si
  Joan Smith: Why is that so uh expensive.
  James England: Yeah, I don't understand. Y I do I don't get the point, because it's would be s relatively so expensive, just these m small buttons.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Is it cents, the the the fifty cents
  Lydia Washington: Fifty cents
  Michelle Czelusniak: a button?
  Lydia Washington: for one single stupid button.
  Joan Smith: So, whe
  Michelle Czelusniak: No
  Joan Smith: when
  Michelle Czelusniak: way.
  Joan Smith: you so
  James England: Well,
  Joan Smith: then
  James England: okay, well
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: well let's make it just one.
  Joan Smith: It's eighty percent of the price of the of
  James England: Here,
  Joan Smith: the
  James England: now
  Joan Smith: amount
  James England: it's
  Joan Smith: of
  James England: now it's already
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
  James England: s shall we just give our own interpretation to, because else we would really have a problem. It would be impossible to make
  Lydia Washington: I can't
  James England: it
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: It's
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: way
  Lydia Washington: I couldn't understand it if it was fifty cents per uh uh per button.
  Joan Smith: When you have the
  Lydia Washington: Really.
  Joan Smith: same amount of button, you have to put in wi in your carton. Board.
  James England: And and less
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: And then throw
  James England: buttons
  Lydia Washington: yeah,
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: than this isn't possible. This is
  Michelle Czelusniak: No,
  James England: the most
  Michelle Czelusniak: no
  James England: simple
  Michelle Czelusniak: no.
  James England: yeah, it is possible, but
  Joan Smith: But
  James England: I've
  Joan Smith: whe
  James England: never seen one before.
  Joan Smith: I've seen
  Lydia Washington: No,
  Joan Smith: one
  Lydia Washington: really.
  Joan Smith: uh one remote control
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: with
  James England: without
  Joan Smith: only the
  James England: the numbers.
  Joan Smith: pu yeah, only
  James England: That's
  Joan Smith: with
  James England: possible.
  Joan Smith: uh page up, page down
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: and
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: volume,
  James England: we could
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh
  James England: skip
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: the numbers.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, but
  Joan Smith: but
  Lydia Washington: I d I wouldn't want to own that. Really.
  Michelle Czelusniak: That's still
  Joan Smith: Uh, it's it's
  Michelle Czelusniak: four.
  Joan Smith: still for little children. They can handle that remote
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: control, but
  James England: Then uh,
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: teletext
  Joan Smith: it isn't fo
  James England: would also be im impossible.
  Joan Smith: Yes, it's for it's li uh it's
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: just for
  Michelle Czelusniak: that's
  Joan Smith: a
  Michelle Czelusniak: no
  Joan Smith: little
  James England: Okay,
  Michelle Czelusniak: option,
  James England: we'll
  Michelle Czelusniak: that's
  James England: we'll
  Michelle Czelusniak: no
  James England: just
  Michelle Czelusniak: option.
  James England: okay. But then still, when we there's no room for a docking station or something. Tha w Le let's see th we have uh oh yeah, button supplements. We'll give the buttons special colour. We'll give them a special form. Uh, I think we should mark the special form thing, because it this will be some special forms incorporated in these big buttons, I guess.
  Michelle Czelusniak: A special colour, why a special colour?
  James England: Because the buttons will be uh d will be matching colour
  Michelle Czelusniak: But
  James England: between
  Michelle Czelusniak: wha what
  James England: the buttons
  Michelle Czelusniak: s what
  James England: and the
  Michelle Czelusniak: special?
  James England: rubber surroundings.
  Joan Smith: Otherwise,
  James England: I think that's
  Michelle Czelusniak: Okay,
  Joan Smith: it
  James England: the what
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah.
  James England: they mean by a special colour.
  Joan Smith: Otherwise
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: Uh,
  Lydia Washington: don't think
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah.
  Joan Smith: it
  Lydia Washington: the special
  James England: I
  Joan Smith: would
  James England: think
  Joan Smith: be
  Lydia Washington: form
  James England: all
  Joan Smith: the
  James England: the
  Lydia Washington: is
  James England: special
  Lydia Washington: really true.
  James England: colour things have to be marked over here, because that's what we were planning to do, making it
  Joan Smith: Special form also, it says.
  James England: Yeah, special
  Lydia Washington: Is it?
  James England: material r also, because i has rubber. And the buttons have to be rubber.
  Joan Smith: What is the normal material?
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Plastic.
  Lydia Washington: I dunno.
  Joan Smith: Sh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Plastic,
  Joan Smith: yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: I think.
  Joan Smith: Classic?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Plastic.
  Lydia Washington: Plastic.
  Joan Smith: Oh, plastic.
  James England: 'Kay, but the problem now is that the There's no such thing as a docking station in this list, but we can all imagine that it would be impossible to
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: make a docking station for thirty cents.
  Joan Smith: But we can uh sell the remote control and uh sell the docking station
  James England: Separately.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Se
  Joan Smith: yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: no no
  Joan Smith: And
  Michelle Czelusniak: no.
  Joan Smith: and but we don't have to tell it, but what we can say of can um almost make it impossible to buy a remote control without the docking station.
  James England: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I do like the idea, but we yeah. It uh but it then the docking station isn't relevant for this project anymore, but we can
  Lydia Washington: No.
  Joan Smith: No, but you
  James England: but then
  Joan Smith: otherwise you can't
  James England: you
  Joan Smith: retrieve
  James England: still have to use
  Joan Smith: it.
  James England: we have to find out what chip we u need.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, I really don't get it. I mean if it's a simple chip, then
  James England: I think
  Lydia Washington: we
  James England: we
  Lydia Washington: suddenly
  James England: can agree
  Lydia Washington: got
  James England: on this.
  Lydia Washington: two
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: Euros and
  James England: I
  Lydia Washington: thirty
  James England: think
  Lydia Washington: cents.
  James England: the special colour thing has to be uh marked. 'Cause I think we
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: uh
  Lydia Washington: yep.
  James England: Yeah, I think that's what what what they uh
  Joan Smith: But for
  James England: mean
  Joan Smith: two Euros
  Lydia Washington: I think so,
  Joan Smith: and
  Lydia Washington: too.
  Joan Smith: thirty cents, we uh we don't get a docking station.
  Lydia Washington: Oh, I don't know.
  James England: But can we find out uh about uh this chips? Because when we don't need a d a docking station, then probably we also have only we also need a simple chip.
  Michelle Czelusniak: And then we can get a docking
  James England: And maybe
  Michelle Czelusniak: station.
  James England: then we can do something extra.
  Joan Smith: For
  James England: Oh, n uh oh, still oh, it's gonna get more expensive with. Two. Then we have some money left. We can put then
  Joan Smith: For two Euros.
  James England: We can put a scroll-wheel on it or something. Yeah, well who knows.
  Lydia Washington: Uh why? I
  James England: Or
  Lydia Washington: mean
  James England: a little
  Lydia Washington: i
  James England: bit
  Lydia Washington: i if
  James England: of tin
  Lydia Washington: you
  James England: titanium.
  Lydia Washington: if it would cost two Euros, that had a total a total thing, it would be nice too, I mean uh we're not gonna add uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: But what
  Lydia Washington: a trip
  Michelle Czelusniak: what
  Lydia Washington: to
  Michelle Czelusniak: can
  Lydia Washington: Hawaii
  Michelle Czelusniak: we do
  Lydia Washington: to
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: it.
  James England: or we can ki do the kinetic cells. That's also maybe an idea.
  Michelle Czelusniak: But uh what can we do with the simple chip and what's difference
  James England: Yeah that's
  Michelle Czelusniak: with
  James England: what
  Michelle Czelusniak: a
  James England: then
  Michelle Czelusniak: regular
  James England: what he has
  Michelle Czelusniak: chip
  James England: to find
  Michelle Czelusniak: and a advanced
  James England: out. Maybe you can
  Michelle Czelusniak: chip?
  James England: uh find it in your email right now, then we know
  Michelle Czelusniak: If if
  James England: then we
  Michelle Czelusniak: i
  James England: exactly know what it will cost us. Maybe is that that's nice to know.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Regular chip and because we don't have uh special functions to use uh
  James England: Yeah, bu bu but
  Michelle Czelusniak: in advanced
  James England: when we
  Michelle Czelusniak: chip, for example.
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: yeah,
  Lydia Washington: like the hand dynamo part.
  James England: but when we skip when we um when we don't use the do we're not gonna make the docking station, then we still yeah, we need something else maybe to make it kind of special, because that was our our special feature.
  Lydia Washington: We can make a plain
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: docking station for two Euros.
  Michelle Czelusniak: We'll
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: go
  Lydia Washington: mean
  Michelle Czelusniak: back uh
  James England: Yeah, okay,
  Michelle Czelusniak: tomorrow.
  James England: you can also do that, but maybe
  Lydia Washington: Wi wi without recharge
  James England: It still is a special remote control cons uh you know, wi its form is special
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, but but
  James England: and
  Lydia Washington: we can make a docking
  James England: material.
  Lydia Washington: station for two Euros uh if you don't put the recharge function in it. I mean, it has a shape.
  James England: Yeah, but
  Lydia Washington: Of
  James England: for
  Lydia Washington: course
  James England: two
  Lydia Washington: it has
  James England: Euros,
  Lydia Washington: a shape, but
  James England: then
  Lydia Washington: i
  James England: we have
  Lydia Washington: i
  James England: still maybe we have to use the advanced chip, then two Euros isn't even possible.
  Lydia Washington: Why should that not be possible?
  James England: Yeah, then because then we'd thirty cents left.
  Lydia Washington: No, for for the uh for the docking station if you do if you choose the simple chip.
  James England: Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, because maybe d uh yeah, we have to find
  Michelle Czelusniak: That's
  James England: out with
  Michelle Czelusniak: the
  James England: the
  Michelle Czelusniak: question.
  James England: simple chip.
  Michelle Czelusniak: If we do i do we need an advanced chip, or
  Lydia Washington: Yes.
  James England: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: is
  James England: and
  Michelle Czelusniak: it
  James England: w
  Michelle Czelusniak: okay
  James England: and and
  Michelle Czelusniak: f
  James England: we
  Joan Smith: It
  James England: uh need
  Joan Smith: isn't
  James England: f
  Joan Smith: in my
  James England: and
  Joan Smith: information,
  James England: what is this? Sample
  Joan Smith: so
  James England: sensor
  Joan Smith: I don't know
  James England: sample
  Joan Smith: it uh
  James England: speaker.
  Joan Smith: either. It isn't in my information, I uh I I've got a schematic view of the remote control, but nothing about uh advanced chips or
  James England: You can look at it for s presentation. S technical functions?
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Joan Smith: Uh I've got here
  Michelle Czelusniak: No
  Joan Smith: in
  Michelle Czelusniak: no,
  Joan Smith: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: they were uh mine,
  Joan Smith: I will
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah.
  Joan Smith: put
  James England: Oh.
  Joan Smith: a I will put a page on it. When my mouse works again.
  James England: Oh, oh oh. Hey. Oh.
  Joan Smith: My mouse is uh
  Lydia Washington: Dead.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: Reanimate it.
  Joan Smith: Oh.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Died.
  Joan Smith: Ah, I've got it. I will put uh my email on the the network.
  Lydia Washington: What the hell are these?
  Joan Smith: It's on it.
  Lydia Washington: Oh, whatever.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, it's open.
  James England: Mm. I don't think here
  Michelle Czelusniak: It's circuit
  James England: it's in
  Michelle Czelusniak: board.
  James England: here already.
  Michelle Czelusniak: It's only just
  James England: It's nothing about
  Michelle Czelusniak: basics
  James England: s yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: for for
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Michelle Czelusniak: At the end circuit
  Lydia Washington: This isn't helpful.
  Michelle Czelusniak: there is an infrared
  James England: No.
  Michelle Czelusniak: LED.
  James England: But i in the presentation of yours, there was also something about different components. Which one was it?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Components design.
  James England: Functional requirements?
  Joan Smith: Um
  Lydia Washington: No, that was my presentation.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Components design maybe.
  Joan Smith: Yes,
  Michelle Czelusniak: N on
  Joan Smith: that
  Michelle Czelusniak: top.
  Joan Smith: was mine.
  James England: Ah. Ah yes, it was the second one.
  Joan Smith: But that was my second
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: It's
  James England: it was
  Lydia Washington: already
  James England: your second
  Lydia Washington: open.
  James England: your first presentation.
  Lydia Washington: It's at the bottom.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Working
  James England: Sorry?
  Michelle Czelusniak: design.
  Lydia Washington: It's uh at your task bar.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, but it's the the other one.
  Lydia Washington: Oh.
  Joan Smith: Mm
  James England: Uh,
  Michelle Czelusniak: Was it
  James England: this
  Michelle Czelusniak: working
  James England: is n this
  Lydia Washington: Sorry.
  Michelle Czelusniak: design
  James England: is not this
  Michelle Czelusniak: or components design?
  James England: n that's not the right one. I don't oh.
  Lydia Washington: Okay, sorry.
  James England: No, this is the other one. Or maybe something is uh maybe there's something abo in in these
  Michelle Czelusniak: Chip set.
  Joan Smith: But this is the same uh This is o only the possibilities.
  James England: Here.
  Joan Smith: Yeah. We can use a simple, a regular, or advanced chip.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah, nice.
  Michelle Czelusniak: The
  Lydia Washington: I it
  Michelle Czelusniak: display
  Lydia Washington: doesn't say
  Michelle Czelusniak: requires
  Lydia Washington: anything.
  James England: You know
  Michelle Czelusniak: an
  James England: that
  Michelle Czelusniak: advanced
  James England: a push-button
  Michelle Czelusniak: chip.
  James England: requires a simple chip, but a scroll-wheel, it it Lydia Washington requires
  Joan Smith: Ah, okay.
  James England: Okay, so we only
  Michelle Czelusniak: Requires.
  James England: need a simple chip.
  Joan Smith: With the light.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Little lights. Yeah, but that that's just the same as the
  James England: No no, that's
  Michelle Czelusniak: the LED.
  James England: just a simple chip.
  Lydia Washington: That's not needed.
  James England: A scroll-wheel it s uh only states that a scroll-wheel requires a regular chip, and that a display requires an advanced chip. So, we don't
  Lydia Washington: A display
  James England: need any of them.
  Lydia Washington: uh is, of course, uh for showing
  Joan Smith: L_C_D_.
  Lydia Washington: letters. For showing text.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Lydia Washington: I don't think that uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Lydia Washington: just a l a little light
  Michelle Czelusniak: I think uh the uh normal uh simple chip will
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Michelle Czelusniak: be okay.
  Lydia Washington: I agree.
  James England: And what's the sample sensor slash sample speaker?
  Joan Smith: Maybe you can say against the remote uh page uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: f uh page up, page
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: down.
  Lydia Washington: I guess so too.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, true.
  Lydia Washington: Next
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well, that's not
  Lydia Washington: channel.
  Michelle Czelusniak: too what we want.
  Lydia Washington: No. Well, we might want it, but
  James England: Okay.
  Joan Smith: All in twelve
  James England: Back
  Joan Smith: Euros.
  James England: to the costs.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: Twelve Euros and fifty cents.
  James England: So we're
  Michelle Czelusniak: So,
  James England: gonna
  Michelle Czelusniak: simple
  James England: use the simple
  Michelle Czelusniak: chip is okay.
  James England: chip.
  Lydia Washington: Great. Delete. Yeah.
  Joan Smith: And the lights. Where uh are the lights?
  Michelle Czelusniak: lights, yeah, there's no
  Lydia Washington: Well, there're three, I guess.
  Michelle Czelusniak: category.
  James England: Nah, there is some money left to be spent.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Can we do it wi within
  Lydia Washington: I think
  Michelle Czelusniak: two
  Lydia Washington: we can make a docking
  Michelle Czelusniak: two Euro?
  Lydia Washington: station.
  James England: Okay, but what we have to think
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: about now is that is is it still a special remote control? But I mean it isn't it hasn't got any innovative technology, we aren't gonna apply any uh innovated innovative te technology anyway, I think.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Mm-hmm.
  James England: I don't I don't see any possibility to do so, because it would wouldn't fit our
  Michelle Czelusniak: But it's
  James England: defi
  Michelle Czelusniak: original.
  James England: design philosophy. But
  Lydia Washington: No,
  James England: what
  Lydia Washington: that's
  James England: w is there
  Lydia Washington: true.
  James England: some extra maybe I think maybe the kinetic thing is something. Instead of the rechargeable the rechargeable thing was something to um know, so y so people wouldn't
  Lydia Washington: M
  James England: have
  Lydia Washington: bu
  James England: to worry about their batteries anymore. Maybe we if we put the kinetic
  Joan Smith: But
  James England: thing
  Joan Smith: but
  James England: in
  Joan Smith: sometimes
  James England: it
  Joan Smith: you put
  James England: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: a
  James England: you leave the p yeah, I know, but still I they will think about that. I mean if
  Joan Smith: Kinetics
  James England: you u
  Joan Smith: aren't uh nowadays only used in watches and
  James England: The
  Joan Smith: that's
  James England: uh
  Joan Smith: because
  James England: it's made
  Joan Smith: you're always
  James England: for
  Joan Smith: walking.
  James England: s people well, the they don't if it was uh uh r useless technology, they wouldn't put it uh as a possibility.
  Joan Smith: Uh solar cells
  James England: And i
  Joan Smith: are
  James England: it
  Joan Smith: useless.
  James England: it
  Lydia Washington: Or the hand
  James England: th th
  Lydia Washington: dynamo
  James England: the the target
  Lydia Washington: dynamo
  James England: the target uh group are people who zap regularly and throw with their remote control as a matter of speaking.
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: Because I think it when when there w was a remote control where it was useful to have a kinetic uh uh power source, then it would be this one. Because it's one it gets thrown around thrown around a lot and it gets used a lot Hey that maybe that's
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: cool
  Lydia Washington: but but
  James England: that's a cool thing
  Lydia Washington: if
  James England: about
  Lydia Washington: we ca
  James England: it, you know. You don't use batteries. I've never seen it before in a remote control.
  Lydia Washington: I don't
  Michelle Czelusniak: But
  Lydia Washington: know
  Michelle Czelusniak: then
  Lydia Washington: if
  Michelle Czelusniak: we could make a docking station.
  Lydia Washington: Five minutes.
  James England: No, we we we can't make a docking station anyway.
  Lydia Washington: That's not true.
  James England: Yeah, we can als or uh also m we we can make
  Lydia Washington: We can
  James England: one
  Lydia Washington: make
  Michelle Czelusniak: Wow,
  Lydia Washington: a docking
  Michelle Czelusniak: w
  Lydia Washington: station
  Michelle Czelusniak: why
  James England: we
  Lydia Washington: for
  James England: can
  Michelle Czelusniak: no
  Lydia Washington: two
  James England: still
  Michelle Czelusniak: li
  Lydia Washington: thirty.
  James England: make
  Michelle Czelusniak: Look at now, we got two
  Lydia Washington: Two
  Joan Smith: Fo
  Lydia Washington: thirty.
  Michelle Czelusniak: two thirty left.
  Lydia Washington: We
  Joan Smith: for
  Lydia Washington: can
  Michelle Czelusniak: Ca
  Lydia Washington: make
  Michelle Czelusniak: can't
  Joan Smith: a docking
  Lydia Washington: a docking
  Michelle Czelusniak: we
  Joan Smith: station.
  Michelle Czelusniak: make
  Lydia Washington: station.
  Michelle Czelusniak: a docking station
  Lydia Washington: Sure.
  Michelle Czelusniak: of that?
  Joan Smith: With a cable, with uh buttons on it,
  Lydia Washington: Sure.
  Joan Smith: with retrieval uh device
  Michelle Czelusniak: I don't
  Joan Smith: in
  Michelle Czelusniak: know.
  Joan Smith: it.
  Lydia Washington: The power device is is i i is very cheap. That's just a regular uh power cable and
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: whatever.
  James England: but be serious, then uh the
  Joan Smith: Wi
  James England: docking station will be
  Michelle Czelusniak: Well, we
  James England: a
  Joan Smith: with
  James England: fifth
  Michelle Czelusniak: we
  Joan Smith: a
  Michelle Czelusniak: uh
  Joan Smith: button
  James England: of the price
  Joan Smith: to
  James England: of the remote control.
  Lydia Washington: So.
  Joan Smith: wi with a button to retrieve it, so it will beep. Uh,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  Joan Smith: so it's uh wireless
  James England: Yeah, but we uh
  Joan Smith: technology.
  James England: we don't inc we haven't looked at the these costs of the speaker and other stuff. I don't think it's realistic for you to do so.
  Lydia Washington: Well then it's a useless project.
  Joan Smith: Look at the case,
  James England: Oh, because
  Joan Smith: the case
  James England: we
  Joan Smith: the case of of uh of
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: uh
  Michelle Czelusniak: then we don't have
  James England: We well
  Michelle Czelusniak: any
  James England: look
  Michelle Czelusniak: innovation
  James England: at all the special
  Michelle Czelusniak: things.
  James England: stuff we have. Colour a the colours are special, the form is special. It th this is whole concept. Uh
  Lydia Washington: Can't
  James England: maybe
  Lydia Washington: we
  James England: it
  Lydia Washington: uh
  James England: with the kinetic thing, I think we could do uh do a compromise uh with the kim
  Lydia Washington: Can't
  James England: kinetic
  Lydia Washington: we say fifteen
  James England: thing.
  Lydia Washington: Euros? No, sta yeah
  James England: Uh, no.
  Lydia Washington: I mean
  Joan Smith: No, then we have to sell it for thirty Euros.
  Lydia Washington: No.
  Michelle Czelusniak: No, we
  Joan Smith: It's
  Michelle Czelusniak: only
  Joan Smith: the
  Michelle Czelusniak: make less profit of it.
  Lydia Washington: You can sell for twenty seven and a half. Then you make as much profit as
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Lydia Washington: you would with twelve and a half production costs.
  James England: Yeah, I don my suggestion is to just forget about the whole docking station thing and make it uh like a Uh uh I I I I still fee I also feel this concept of making it kinetic, because of the you know, it g
  Lydia Washington: I
  James England: it
  Lydia Washington: don't
  James England: gives
  Lydia Washington: think
  James England: something
  Joan Smith: Maybe we
  James England: dynamic
  Joan Smith: can uh can
  James England: to the
  Joan Smith: do
  James England: remote
  Joan Smith: it both.
  James England: control.
  Joan Smith: Maybe we can do it both uh in the in the in the remote. Battery and kinetic.
  Lydia Washington: No.
  James England: No, that wouldn't n no.
  Lydia Washington: Thirteen twenty.
  James England: Yeah, and it is also not a good it's not you
  Lydia Washington: And
  James England: have
  Lydia Washington: I think
  James England: to really
  Lydia Washington: only
  James England: do it only kinetic, you don't want it to think about batteries anymore.
  Joan Smith: Yes, but
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  Joan Smith: when
  Lydia Washington: but only
  Joan Smith: it's then
  Lydia Washington: kinetic,
  Joan Smith: when it
  Lydia Washington: then you
  James England: No
  Joan Smith: then you
  Lydia Washington: gotta
  James England: no.
  Joan Smith: have to shake it uh and all when it's when it's empty.
  James England: Yeah,
  Lydia Washington: You you gotta
  James England: it's
  Lydia Washington: throw
  James England: great.
  Lydia Washington: uh throw it through the room like twenty times an hour,
  James England: No
  Lydia Washington: really.
  James England: no no. No no, this is very sophisticated technology technology. When you
  Joan Smith: You
  James England: use
  Joan Smith: asked
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  Joan Smith: three
  James England: remote
  Joan Smith: d
  James England: like once a day, or maybe even less i i
  Joan Smith: No,
  James England: it
  Joan Smith: that's n that's not true. Uh,
  Lydia Washington: No.
  Joan Smith: a watch is uh kinetic
  James England: It
  Joan Smith: because you walk
  James England: We
  Joan Smith: all
  James England: can
  Joan Smith: the time.
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  Joan Smith: Yes,
  James England: can be
  Joan Smith: solar
  James England: used if
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  James England: it
  Joan Smith: are also stated.
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  Joan Smith: Why
  James England: solar
  Joan Smith: don't
  James England: cells.
  Joan Smith: we use solar cells then?
  James England: Because I think the d whole dynamic part, do you know, appeals to Lydia Washington qui uh thinking of our design philosophy, you know, with the rubber parts and uh sturdiness of the thing, and y when you move it around a lot, then people find the idea funny that when I move my
  Joan Smith: That's
  James England: remote
  Joan Smith: true.
  James England: control around
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: and
  Lydia Washington: it's funny for a week. I guess something like that, where you have to move it around very frequently, is demotivating.
  James England: Yeah, but you don't have to. Trust Lydia Washington. The idea of this technology is that you don't think about it, it just happens.
  Lydia Washington: No, I I don't move my uh my
  James England: Okay,
  Joan Smith: Oui.
  Lydia Washington: remote
  James England: then we
  Lydia Washington: control
  James England: d Okay,
  Lydia Washington: very
  James England: well
  Lydia Washington: much,
  James England: y we don't
  Lydia Washington: seriously.
  James England: have to do it, but what that would just have a lack of key features, you know. You m have to put something on your box. You have to make people buy it and uh We can really can do the docking thing, uh it's not yeah, uh we can do it, but it's would be a
  Joan Smith: You
  James England: easy
  Joan Smith: can
  James England: way
  Joan Smith: do
  James England: out.
  Joan Smith: it for fifty cents.
  Lydia Washington: Well, we've got more than fifty Cents.
  Joan Smith: The c
  James England: Okay, but
  Joan Smith: The
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  Joan Smith: the
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  Joan Smith: is is
  James England: because
  Joan Smith: is
  James England: uh
  Joan Smith: uh
  James England: we only have a minute left or so.
  Joan Smith: the case alone for uh remote control is at least one Euro. Then we have one Euro thirty for the whole
  James England: No
  Joan Smith: docking
  James England: no,
  Joan Smith: station.
  James England: it's not possible. Okay, w b we can s we can leave it on be well then then th it's this is then then our concept is ready.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Cheap remote control.
  James England: Yeah, we make some extra profit of
  Lydia Washington: Yeah.
  James England: it.
  Lydia Washington: No, we won't, but that's
  Joan Smith: But now
  Lydia Washington: um something else. No, this
  Michelle Czelusniak: It
  Lydia Washington: not
  Michelle Czelusniak: w it
  Lydia Washington: gonna
  Michelle Czelusniak: won't
  Lydia Washington: sell.
  Michelle Czelusniak: tell, but
  James England: Huh,
  Lydia Washington: No.
  James England: any ideas?
  Lydia Washington: Of course not.
  Michelle Czelusniak: No, uh, n no
  Joan Smith: Great. It's great.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, we
  Joan Smith: Our
  Michelle Czelusniak: just
  Joan Smith: remote
  Michelle Czelusniak: have
  Joan Smith: control.
  Michelle Czelusniak: to go all what we did today again. You have to do it over.
  Lydia Washington: We come back tomorrow, okay?
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah.
  James England: No
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  James England: no uh there's
  Michelle Czelusniak: the
  James England: still there's still
  Joan Smith: Seventy
  James England: someth concept
  Joan Smith: Euros.
  James England: and something special left. I mean we're gonna it's gonna excel in
  Michelle Czelusniak: No,
  James England: in
  Michelle Czelusniak: but
  James England: on in
  Michelle Czelusniak: no.
  James England: the the range in the field of design and and uh looks and feel. That's what it's makes it special. Yeah, and I would li I would have liked a kinetic part as well, to give it some just to give it some extra special feature, and uh I know it will work, but uh it's it's an They're they're not putting technologies on this, but if it if it was impossible to to make it happen.
  Joan Smith: Why not a hand dynamo then?
  James England: Okay, well we leave it like this. Then it's c
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah,
  James England: then we're yeah.
  Michelle Czelusniak: yeah.
  Lydia Washington: We can't do anything else. Warning, finish meeting now.
  Joan Smith: We're done.
  James England: Okay,
  Joan Smith: Is this it?
  James England: project e uh well,
  Lydia Washington: Yeah,
  James England: we were gonna
  Lydia Washington: sure.
  James England: what look take
  Joan Smith: Okay.
  James England: a look at the last sheet.
  Lydia Washington: No, we can't.
  James England: Yeah, we have to Yeah, it's
  Michelle Czelusniak: No.
  Lydia Washington: Yes, yes.
  Joan Smith: Yes.
  Lydia Washington: Celebration. I don't see why, but
  Joan Smith: Where's the champagne?
  Lydia Washington: I think we gotta fill out another questionnaire, to be honest.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah?
  Joan Smith: I don't uh hear a bell.
  Lydia Washington: No, not yet. Alright,
  Michelle Czelusniak: We
  Lydia Washington: I'll
  Michelle Czelusniak: can
  Lydia Washington: see
  Michelle Czelusniak: do
  Lydia Washington: you
  Michelle Czelusniak: it
  Lydia Washington: guys
  Michelle Czelusniak: here
  Lydia Washington: in
  Michelle Czelusniak: then.
  Lydia Washington: a minute.
  Joan Smith: Bye.
  Lydia Washington: I
  Michelle Czelusniak: Can
  Lydia Washington: don't
  Michelle Czelusniak: we
  Lydia Washington: think
  Michelle Czelusniak: can't
  Lydia Washington: so.
  Michelle Czelusniak: we do it here?
  Lydia Washington: I don't know. I don't I don't think so.
  Joan Smith: Uh-huh. Just fill that one in.
  Michelle Czelusniak: Yeah, we're doing now. But it's. Oh, okay.
  James England: Uh, I
  Michelle Czelusniak: Nice.
  James England: don't know.
Updated Content: James England opened the meeting. Michelle Czelusniak and industrial designer presented the prototype design. The remote has buttons for power, mute, teletext, volume and channel up/down, and nine numbered channel buttons. The group discussed what buttons would be needed to enter channels 10 and above. They discussed adapting the docking station so it could be used with other products but did not make a decision. The remote is plastic with different coloured rubber strips on the sides and rubber buttons. Lydia Washington led the product evaluation. The group were generally satisfied with the design but did not think the remote was technologically innovative. The overall score was 2.6. The group worked out the manufacturing costs. The group had problems figuring out the cost of the docking station and buttons, and did not know which kind of chip to use. They discussed using kinetic energy to make the remote more technologically innovative but decided against it. They eventually decided that they could not afford a docking station. They did not have time to evaluate the project process before the end of the meeting.