Extracted Content: Anthony Soto: Bonjour.
  Donald Knowles: It's It won't wake up. Yeah. I a bit early. Like
  Anthony Soto: Why?
  Donald Knowles: What? No, I just came in. Uh normally I was one of them.
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Come on.
  Anthony Soto: Check check
  Stanley Torrey: Hello.
  Anthony Soto: check
  Donald Knowles: Why
  Stanley Torrey: Oop.
  Donald Knowles: won't it wake up?
  Donald Knowles: Is it on?
  Anthony Soto: The power light doesn't work. You turned it off.
  Donald Knowles: But how? Ah, there it is.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Uh.
  Thomas Pinero: I received an email with uh a few on uh the. So I'll discuss them
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, we're
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Thomas Pinero: with you. Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: to the later.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I received
  Stanley Torrey: So
  Donald Knowles: an
  Stanley Torrey: we're
  Donald Knowles: email
  Stanley Torrey: going to
  Donald Knowles: as
  Stanley Torrey: talk
  Donald Knowles: well.
  Stanley Torrey: about the conceptual model.
  Anthony Soto: Oh.
  Anthony Soto: Hmm.
  Donald Knowles: Which one was mine?
  Stanley Torrey: So that's Anthony Soto. Uh okay. So Uh okay. Okay, so I just show you the m the no mm mm the the the the the the minutes, minute. What's it called, I dunno. Whatever.
  Donald Knowles: The minutes.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so we just talked about uh Oh you want Anthony Soto to show that there or
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Donald Knowles: No,
  Thomas Pinero: Mm
  Donald Knowles: just
  Thomas Pinero: no.
  Donald Knowles: tell
  Stanley Torrey: Okay,
  Donald Knowles: us.
  Stanley Torrey: we just talked about it looks Has. to look nice. Usability is very important. People don't want to spend money on something that's similar to cheaper ones. Um It has to be very basic, not too many buttons. Light switches on if you use a button. Uh text T_V_ still has to be a possibility. And it has to be easy to learn. That were the things I uh make minutes of. And the functions are volume, channel to choose channels, an on-off, a mute uh button, and a text T_V_ button. That are the functions. That right?
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay. So I just want to give you uh Mike again, the first uh presentation of your
  Anthony Soto: Shall I start?
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: No. Okay well I received an email Okay.
  Anthony Soto: I searched the web, uh and uh I searched uh on this d document, recent investigation of the remote control market. It has been done in Italy uh Italy and in uh another country in Europe, I forget it. but uh found out most important aspect for remote controls happens to be a fancy look-and-feel, instead of the current functional look and feel. So it's very important for us to create something new. So what Michael just said, it must be uh some very different from ordinary uh remote controls. Fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and interface. Uh this uh aspect is the most important one. Uh it came out of the research. It uh is twice important as the following. The second uh most important aspect is that a remote control should it uh technological innovative. Uh that stands for uh uh new technical uh features. And then uh that uh This is a point of discussion, because we just decided that we don't make use of uh L_C_D_ or uh speech recognition.
  Donald Knowles: Hmm.
  Anthony Soto: But um this is the second uh important uh aspect, and I think uh we must use some of the new technology, to be uh innovative.
  Stanley Torrey: But we already have the flashing flashing light on the
  Anthony Soto: Uh maybe maybe something
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: new.
  Donald Knowles: more.
  Anthony Soto: We have
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Anthony Soto: to discuss about it s uh
  Donald Knowles: Well,
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: I'll I'll get back
  Anthony Soto: Okay,
  Donald Knowles: on it.
  Anthony Soto: uh features not uh do not exist in current remote controls. And that's very hard I think. Uh the third one is the aspect of the remote control should be easy to use. But uh that was an overall uh point. We already discussed that. Um I've got one picture. Uh d our our target group uh we thought about was young and trendy.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: So I took uh that part of the webpage. And it says uh fashion-watchers of uh uh Pari uh France and uh Italy, yeah, uh have detected the following trends. This trends I th uh trend I think it's not um that meaningful for us, maybe. But it's about uh clothes and shoes. But the
  Stanley Torrey: Hmm.
  Anthony Soto: uh the next uh aspect also in contrast to last year, the feel of material is expe uh uh is expected to be spongy.
  Donald Knowles: Spongy.
  Anthony Soto: But spongy, what what does spongy
  Thomas Pinero: Spongy.
  Anthony Soto: says?
  Donald Knowles: Spongy,
  Anthony Soto: Spongy.
  Donald Knowles: like sponge.
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: So rubber, kind of.
  Donald Knowles: Uh soft materials.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: But maybe th that's al definitely a good idea, because you've you're you drop y your remote control very often on the ground.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: So it has
  Donald Knowles: but
  Stanley Torrey: to be
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: flexible.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, it's something that uh it stand there. But I didn't knew uh knew what it means. So spongy means y
  Thomas Pinero: It's like
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: a sponge.
  Donald Knowles: Soft, sponge.
  Anthony Soto: So it's also a stress-ball.
  Stanley Torrey: That's a good
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: That's a good
  Thomas Pinero: somewhat
  Stanley Torrey: idea. If it's
  Thomas Pinero: like
  Stanley Torrey: de like that. That's
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: good, a
  Donald Knowles: but
  Stanley Torrey: good idea.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah. How are
  Stanley Torrey: Is it
  Donald Knowles: you
  Stanley Torrey: a
  Donald Knowles: gonna
  Stanley Torrey: bit
  Donald Knowles: make
  Stanley Torrey: like
  Donald Knowles: it?
  Stanley Torrey: like the the the the remote control? R_ soft.
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I've some uh material uh information, but I'll give you it later
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: in my presentation.
  Anthony Soto: Okay? What do I think? Uh because a fancy look is the most important thing uh for remote control uh control, I think about changeable fronts.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: Uh maybe a see-through one in a a fruit front. Because it's uh it's hot. And uh some basic uh colour fronts. Uh so we can make uh five different fronts to start with or something. Uh maybe an extraordinary shape, like a sponge. Uh or uh, yeah, just another shape than a normal uh remote control ha uh has. Just
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: uh something round in it, or uh maybe not uh not uh Yeah, I dun dunno. We have to discuss about that. Uh y yeah. Main point uh still uh is the technolo technological innovative. Yeah, how do we do that? Maybe speech? We ma must have some kind of gadget.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I'll get back on that.
  Anthony Soto: So
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Stanley Torrey: It's very uh difficult to to
  Anthony Soto: Intro
  Stanley Torrey: to
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: do it. Because it's only twelve and a half Euros you have to spend
  Anthony Soto: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: on every
  Donald Knowles: Well,
  Anthony Soto: that's
  Stanley Torrey: remote
  Anthony Soto: the problem.
  Stanley Torrey: control.
  Anthony Soto: That's
  Donald Knowles: I
  Anthony Soto: the main
  Donald Knowles: got
  Anthony Soto: problem.
  Donald Knowles: f also an email from
  Anthony Soto: So
  Donald Knowles: the the technology department.
  Anthony Soto: Maybe we watch the first
  Donald Knowles: They
  Anthony Soto: uh
  Donald Knowles: have done
  Anthony Soto: the next
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Anthony Soto: two
  Donald Knowles: research
  Anthony Soto: presentations.
  Donald Knowles: about it, and uh even more possibilities now with speech. So they recommended using it.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Well
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Anthony Soto: Okay. Uh let's
  Donald Knowles: I'll check what they exact
  Anthony Soto: first
  Donald Knowles: mean.
  Anthony Soto: watch Paul's presentation
  Donald Knowles: So
  Anthony Soto: first then.
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, well actually we have don't have an idea how much it's gonna cost. But maybe it's cheap
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Donald Knowles: th that's
  Thomas Pinero: to
  Donald Knowles: the
  Thomas Pinero: implement.
  Donald Knowles: only problem. I d They don't say how much it will cost, so Um but uh if
  Anthony Soto: Oh.
  Donald Knowles: we implement
  Anthony Soto: It's mass production.
  Donald Knowles: uh speech
  Anthony Soto: So you can
  Donald Knowles: recognition,
  Anthony Soto: say, you can
  Donald Knowles: I think it would be better to implement L_C_D_ as well. Since you have to uh configure speech
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Donald Knowles: thing.
  Stanley Torrey: that's definitely more expensive than
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, that's that's something I dunno.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah. But how uh we we're gonna make many of those. So we can start a mass production, and then
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, but a
  Anthony Soto: the
  Stanley Torrey: telephone
  Anthony Soto: cost will still
  Stanley Torrey: Okay,
  Anthony Soto: will be.
  Stanley Torrey: yeah. But a telephone also have a L_C_D_ and
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, so uh we
  Stanley Torrey: and
  Donald Knowles: gotta
  Stanley Torrey: it's about
  Donald Knowles: de
  Stanley Torrey: t two hundred Euros. So uh
  Donald Knowles: We have to decide
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: on that.
  Anthony Soto: Okay. That was this?
  Donald Knowles: Mm uh
  Thomas Pinero: Oh I got an email uh And it says uh the chip can be uh simple, regular or advanced. And Um They say uh a display requires an advanced chip. And this is more expensive than all the other chips. So it's m
  Donald Knowles: L_D_C_
  Thomas Pinero: the most
  Donald Knowles: doesn't
  Thomas Pinero: expensive.
  Donald Knowles: require
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, it says in the email. The display requires an advanced chip.
  Donald Knowles: Okay. And speech recognition?
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, probably too.
  Donald Knowles: Advanced.
  Thomas Pinero: I I haven't
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: got anything about speech recognition, but
  Donald Knowles: I'll I'll give
  Thomas Pinero: Well
  Donald Knowles: you my
  Thomas Pinero: it d
  Donald Knowles: design.
  Thomas Pinero: That's that's the most expensive chip, we need. If we're doing uh
  Donald Knowles: Yeah
  Thomas Pinero: if
  Donald Knowles: okay.
  Thomas Pinero: we're doing
  Donald Knowles: So
  Thomas Pinero: a
  Donald Knowles: we
  Thomas Pinero: display.
  Donald Knowles: Well we can
  Donald Knowles: I had uh to make a sort of a design. So I did some searching on the internet. I watched the old remote controls and news com remote como uh remote controls. I think we should um This is one of the modern remote controls of the moment. I think we should go more to the iPod and M_P_ three players.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, just
  Donald Knowles: Mobile phones.
  Stanley Torrey: modern modern but still
  Donald Knowles: More modern.
  Stanley Torrey: uh basic.
  Donald Knowles: Y yes. Um you probably have to make it a bit bigger and a bit smaller. 'Cause remote con control, you can see it here, you have to bo reach both out both sides. And here you just have one, few buttons. So that's that's the main difference. But looks uh I definitely think we should go like this. And then changeable fonts, so
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Donald Knowles: It's the most important part, I think. But And the home base is something like that, something simple. Well and then I just ordered the the buttons a bit. Uh basic buttons. On-off, mute. And th maybe two others, I dunno.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: Text
  Stanley Torrey: maybe
  Donald Knowles: buttons.
  Stanley Torrey: the teletext
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: tel
  Donald Knowles: text button, maybe there and there. And then the colour buttons, if we want it on. I don't find it very usable, but
  Anthony Soto: No,
  Stanley Torrey: No.
  Anthony Soto: I don't
  Donald Knowles: it's Uh I don't think it's
  Anthony Soto: uh I don't like
  Donald Knowles: fits in
  Anthony Soto: it.
  Donald Knowles: the the modern theme as well.
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Donald Knowles: So and then yeah we saw the the pla display, in the the iPod. They can put the basic buttons, one, two, three, four. And uh f above ten. And
  Thomas Pinero: But it
  Donald Knowles: I think
  Thomas Pinero: That's on on the display.
  Donald Knowles: No no. That th there is no display there. But it's on the place of the display. And I think we should uh light this up much more than that part. So
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: the focus is on these two parts.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: So you don't see all the buttons you else
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Donald Knowles: need.
  Stanley Torrey: it sounds very difficult to use. Because um the volume and channel is on the on
  Donald Knowles: Uh
  Stanley Torrey: the
  Donald Knowles: well
  Stanley Torrey: the bottom
  Donald Knowles: um
  Stanley Torrey: of it. So you can't use your thumb for it.
  Donald Knowles: This is how it is now. Um Here uh Well we have volume.
  Thomas Pinero: I think
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: it is
  Stanley Torrey: down
  Thomas Pinero: on
  Stanley Torrey: there.
  Thomas Pinero: uh on the bottom too.
  Stanley Torrey: But it's not not the
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: best best.
  Donald Knowles: Well here we have also side scrolls. I dunno
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: if we can
  Thomas Pinero: okay.
  Donald Knowles: use that.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: Do
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: we
  Stanley Torrey: for
  Donald Knowles: want
  Stanley Torrey: volume.
  Thomas Pinero: I've
  Donald Knowles: to use
  Thomas Pinero: I've got something of
  Stanley Torrey: For volume,
  Thomas Pinero: that uh too.
  Stanley Torrey: or a channel. Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: For
  Stanley Torrey: why
  Donald Knowles: volume?
  Stanley Torrey: not.
  Donald Knowles: Well then
  Thomas Pinero: Scroll.
  Donald Knowles: we can even simplify it more. By just putting the volume on the side. And
  Stanley Torrey: And the channels
  Donald Knowles: and
  Stanley Torrey: as well.
  Donald Knowles: just channel buttons here.
  Stanley Torrey: Oh yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: But
  Thomas Pinero: or
  Donald Knowles: I think
  Thomas Pinero: uh
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: maybe uh The channel buttons are often used. And you can't use them now with your thumb, because the thing is not, it's
  Donald Knowles: Well.
  Thomas Pinero: not easy to
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, well it's
  Thomas Pinero: control.
  Donald Knowles: Basically it's it's here.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah okay, m maybe we cho should put that on top, and
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, that's
  Thomas Pinero: buttons
  Stanley Torrey: better.
  Thomas Pinero: we
  Donald Knowles: They're
  Thomas Pinero: we
  Donald Knowles: on
  Thomas Pinero: don't
  Donald Knowles: top?
  Thomas Pinero: use on, in
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: the bottom.
  Stanley Torrey: just th th th other buttons like text T_V_. Put that on the button bottom.
  Thomas Pinero: Because uh
  Donald Knowles: You mean
  Thomas Pinero: you
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: can't hold it.
  Donald Knowles: these
  Thomas Pinero: You can't
  Stanley Torrey: Mm-hmm.
  Thomas Pinero: hold
  Donald Knowles: to the
  Thomas Pinero: it
  Donald Knowles: low?
  Thomas Pinero: th the
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: control and push the buttons.
  Stanley Torrey: Except from the on-off button.
  Donald Knowles: Oh okay. Well, yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: But I I think w you'll use uh the switch channels buttons uh more often than the normal uh channel buttons, like one two three. So maybe we can
  Donald Knowles: Mm
  Thomas Pinero: put that on the bottom.
  Donald Knowles: Maybe. I dunno, but yeah we'll
  Thomas Pinero: Like zapping is just switching
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, maybe
  Thomas Pinero: one channel
  Donald Knowles: it's not
  Thomas Pinero: at a time.
  Donald Knowles: easy if it's below. It's harder to zap. So I think uh it should be should be easy to. I think it's pretty standard, these rubber buttons on the top.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah okay. That's
  Donald Knowles: And
  Thomas Pinero: that's good,
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: but
  Donald Knowles: if you don't light 'em up, they don't uh you don't see 'em very good. I think it's modern to light this area up, and to light this area up. So the focus gets on these parts and not on there.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah okay.
  Donald Knowles: But uh the position of course can be different. It's s We have to look uh what's easy to use, and how it's easier to use.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: So we can uh switch these to
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Donald Knowles: I dunno if it l will look good, if you put those on t on the bottom half.
  Thomas Pinero: No, I think th the the top buttons are okay.
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: They sh Those should be on top.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: But
  Donald Knowles: maybe
  Thomas Pinero: uh we we can switch those two,
  Donald Knowles: Those
  Thomas Pinero: yeah.
  Donald Knowles: two, yeah. And uh, yeah, you have to make sure it's easy to uh Yes, it has to be big enough so you can hold it,
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: right. Well that's that's my findings. So uh my personal opinion is that we should go more modern look. M_P_ three player. And uh well um if, we I don't think we should put it on top then. I think that, if we're gonna put in more technology, that you need to be able to uh switch it open.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: To
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: use
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, that's cool.
  Donald Knowles: So if you put in uh speech recognition, you need so more uh many more buttons. Which won't look good on the front side I think.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: No.
  Donald Knowles: So that's something we have to decide on.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, we have to keep it simple.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: We have to decide this this lecture, or this this this uh
  Donald Knowles: What we're gonna do.
  Stanley Torrey: fifty minutes, yeah,
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: how it is gonna look.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay, the component design. I looked at uh some similar devices, and uh my own common knowledge. So uh this was on the web site. If you aim at a young public, you should use materials that are soft with primary colours like green, blue, red. So flashy kinda colours. Uh shapes should be curved, so round shapes. Not Nothing square-like.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so Hmm, okay.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah well uh iPod is trendy. And
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: it is well curved
  Anthony Soto: Square.
  Donald Knowles: square.
  Anthony Soto: Like.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but mm is uh has round corners I
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: think.
  Donald Knowles: So
  Thomas Pinero: So
  Donald Knowles: not
  Thomas Pinero: we shouldn't have too square corners
  Donald Knowles: Yeah
  Thomas Pinero: and
  Donald Knowles: okay.
  Thomas Pinero: that
  Donald Knowles: Not
  Thomas Pinero: kind of
  Donald Knowles: uh the
  Thomas Pinero: thing.
  Donald Knowles: old uh
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: box look.
  Thomas Pinero: And um sports and gaming device style characteristics. I don't know exactly what that means, but it should be, well yeah, popular kind of
  Anthony Soto: Mm.
  Thomas Pinero: looking,
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, we have to
  Thomas Pinero: I think.
  Stanley Torrey: put our Real Reaction logo as well on the
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: on the remote control.
  Donald Knowles: Mm Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: So the
  Donald Knowles: it's
  Stanley Torrey: colours also. So we have ha to ma make it in black, black, yellow.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Black yellow control.
  Stanley Torrey: Maybe the sides
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: in
  Thomas Pinero: mm
  Stanley Torrey: yellow
  Thomas Pinero: n
  Stanley Torrey: and the the the top in
  Thomas Pinero: Not
  Stanley Torrey: black.
  Thomas Pinero: that weird, because we definitely want to make it kind of flashy, to attract a young public.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, but uh I don't think the the colours black and yellow go well together. But
  Thomas Pinero: No,
  Stanley Torrey: We
  Thomas Pinero: okay.
  Stanley Torrey: make i Maybe
  Thomas Pinero: That's
  Stanley Torrey: you can
  Thomas Pinero: a
  Stanley Torrey: put
  Thomas Pinero: that's
  Stanley Torrey: yellow
  Thomas Pinero: a sen
  Stanley Torrey: on the side and black on the on the front.
  Thomas Pinero: That's just a matter of tastes, but
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, okay.
  Thomas Pinero: We have to use uh kind of flashy colours,
  Donald Knowles: Uh can't
  Thomas Pinero: I think.
  Donald Knowles: we use um different uh fron uh fronts, with all with the the logo on it?
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: Can
  Stanley Torrey: it's
  Donald Knowles: we
  Stanley Torrey: cool.
  Donald Knowles: do that?
  Stanley Torrey: Yep.
  Thomas Pinero: Like
  Donald Knowles: So
  Thomas Pinero: fronts
  Stanley Torrey: And
  Thomas Pinero: in in
  Stanley Torrey: still
  Thomas Pinero: red
  Stanley Torrey: trans
  Thomas Pinero: and yellow
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Thomas Pinero: and blue and
  Anthony Soto: Oh yeah.
  Donald Knowles: So
  Stanley Torrey: Still still transparent.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah. But with all with logo on it.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: Well this is a remote control, a very old one. Um Then the components. The case has just a Here's black. But
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: we
  Stanley Torrey: we
  Thomas Pinero: are
  Stanley Torrey: make
  Thomas Pinero: making
  Stanley Torrey: it som
  Thomas Pinero: it uh
  Stanley Torrey: Maybe we have to make it from soft material. Uh I'm not sure.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I dunno.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Maybe. But anyways uh it should be transparent. We decided that, huh?
  Donald Knowles: Well
  Thomas Pinero: S
  Donald Knowles: one of the options. You can Just like a mobile phone, you can make um
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: different fronts on it. So you can just replace them I think.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, we could
  Donald Knowles: That
  Thomas Pinero: do
  Donald Knowles: was
  Thomas Pinero: that.
  Donald Knowles: the idea, or just uh
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: release one.
  Stanley Torrey: Just give five with them, just in a box. Five
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, uh
  Stanley Torrey: different
  Donald Knowles: Or just
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: y you
  Donald Knowles: sell
  Thomas Pinero: could
  Donald Knowles: different ones.
  Thomas Pinero: you could make 'em uh uh like blue and transparent. So you
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: can still
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Cool.
  Thomas Pinero: th look
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: through it. Um the buttons. Normal rubber I think. Like normal ordinary buttons.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: Soft.
  Donald Knowles: I uh I dunno.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: A more
  Stanley Torrey: It it could be like a Nokia, like
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, just
  Stanley Torrey: plastic.
  Anthony Soto: Uh uh
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: With the
  Stanley Torrey: That's
  Thomas Pinero: hard
  Stanley Torrey: better
  Thomas Pinero: hard
  Stanley Torrey: prob
  Thomas Pinero: buttons.
  Donald Knowles: I think
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: uh rubber really has an odd look.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: The the the new uh new modern uh remote controls, uh the buttons are part of the uh the style, I think is part of the remote control itself.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: It it's one uh a one uh out of one shape. Uh it's n doesn't Is uh a button uh um How do you say it?
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: It
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Anthony Soto: it
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Anthony Soto: didn't
  Thomas Pinero: all
  Anthony Soto: it
  Thomas Pinero: on
  Anthony Soto: i
  Thomas Pinero: one
  Anthony Soto: it
  Thomas Pinero: level.
  Anthony Soto: don't come out of the
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, on
  Anthony Soto: on
  Thomas Pinero: one
  Anthony Soto: the background.
  Thomas Pinero: level.
  Anthony Soto: It is in uh the c a remote
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: control uh
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I know what you mean. So we have to keep it on the one level. Like
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, like mobile
  Thomas Pinero: th the
  Donald Knowles: phones.
  Thomas Pinero: top it's
  Donald Knowles: Like
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: uh the iPod. Uh just
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, okay. Okay,
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: it's chos
  Stanley Torrey: that's cool.
  Thomas Pinero: So that should be hard plastic. Then the buttons? I think. Or
  Donald Knowles: I
  Thomas Pinero: maybe
  Donald Knowles: dunno what uh kind of material it is. But
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: maybe you can m make a uh round fluff or soft material. Just only the
  Donald Knowles: Oops.
  Stanley Torrey: basic uh basic remote control from normal plastic, and
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: the rounds of it from softer s
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: And um
  Stanley Torrey: I dunno.
  Thomas Pinero: Then the L_E_D_. The normal infrared L_E_D_ I think s sufficient. And back light L_E_D_s.
  Stanley Torrey: Y
  Thomas Pinero: So
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Cool.
  Thomas Pinero: But I think we have to make the case transparent, otherwise the back light won't work. So if you put
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Uh you
  Stanley Torrey: Y i
  Donald Knowles: can
  Stanley Torrey: if you
  Donald Knowles: just
  Stanley Torrey: The numbers
  Donald Knowles: make them around
  Stanley Torrey: could be
  Donald Knowles: the buttons
  Stanley Torrey: can be Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Stanley Torrey: that's
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: right.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Or it runs the whole
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but we can still make it transparent. So
  Stanley Torrey: They can
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: choose.
  Donald Knowles: you
  Thomas Pinero: Or
  Donald Knowles: can
  Thomas Pinero: no
  Donald Knowles: halfs transparent, or just that it's comes out a bit.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah okay. Good. And in green colour, the back lights or
  Donald Knowles: Different, I think, also.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah?
  Stanley Torrey: Blue.
  Donald Knowles: Blue or red.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Whatever you want it, I think. Uh depends on the colour
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, but
  Donald Knowles: of
  Stanley Torrey: you
  Donald Knowles: the
  Stanley Torrey: can't choo You
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Stanley Torrey: can't choose
  Anthony Soto: i
  Stanley Torrey: it when you buy it. You
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: have
  Donald Knowles: that's
  Stanley Torrey: to
  Donald Knowles: true.
  Stanley Torrey: choose
  Donald Knowles: But
  Thomas Pinero: No, but I think there are multiple colour LEDs. So
  Stanley Torrey: Is it
  Anthony Soto: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Anthony Soto: but can you change
  Thomas Pinero: I I
  Anthony Soto: it
  Thomas Pinero: know
  Anthony Soto: if you already
  Thomas Pinero: I dunno. Is
  Anthony Soto: bought the the
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: remote
  Donald Knowles: it
  Anthony Soto: control?
  Donald Knowles: can.
  Anthony Soto: You
  Donald Knowles: 'Cause this
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, okay.
  Donald Knowles: a mo mib uh mobile
  Thomas Pinero: Maybe
  Donald Knowles: phone
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Donald Knowles: as
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Donald Knowles: well.
  Thomas Pinero: more impor
  Stanley Torrey: Maybe
  Thomas Pinero: more
  Stanley Torrey: put some different
  Thomas Pinero: expensive.
  Stanley Torrey: ones in it. Doesn't
  Thomas Pinero: I
  Stanley Torrey: matter.
  Thomas Pinero: think
  Stanley Torrey: It's
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Donald Knowles: I have
  Stanley Torrey: No,
  Donald Knowles: the mo
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Donald Knowles: mi
  Stanley Torrey: some
  Donald Knowles: I
  Stanley Torrey: LED.
  Donald Knowles: have a blinking light on my phone. And I can change the colour of it.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, cool. Just make it some different colours. Blue, red and green, or something.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I dunno. Maybe it's too expensive, but it
  Donald Knowles: Well,
  Thomas Pinero: I th
  Donald Knowles: we don't
  Thomas Pinero: I don't
  Donald Knowles: put
  Thomas Pinero: think so.
  Donald Knowles: put in any fancier technology yet.
  Anthony Soto: Hmm.
  Donald Knowles: So
  Thomas Pinero: Then uh some more technical things. I don't know what it is, Um this is the normal circuit board, like a chip board in in a lot of uh things.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, we have to hurry
  Thomas Pinero: W
  Stanley Torrey: up a bit,
  Thomas Pinero: So
  Stanley Torrey: so
  Thomas Pinero: we d we just need this and this transistors and resonators. There's all these kind of things. Um
  Donald Knowles: I'm
  Thomas Pinero: they
  Donald Knowles: sure
  Thomas Pinero: they basically
  Donald Knowles: we can fit
  Thomas Pinero: said
  Donald Knowles: in.
  Thomas Pinero: that that's almost the same on any uh remote controls. So I guess we j we just need that.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: I don't know what they do or
  Anthony Soto: Okay
  Donald Knowles: Yeah okay.
  Anthony Soto: yeah,
  Donald Knowles: We just
  Anthony Soto: you can you can change Yeah. No.
  Thomas Pinero: Nah, but they just said we need it.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: Uh the battery contacts, like normal batteries ca you can put
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: in.
  Stanley Torrey: a recharger maybe.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, we
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah
  Donald Knowles: have to
  Thomas Pinero: okay.
  Donald Knowles: make sure
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah
  Stanley Torrey: We
  Donald Knowles: to
  Stanley Torrey: still
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Thomas Pinero: but
  Stanley Torrey: want to have a recharger, don't we? Is
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Stanley Torrey: that still
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Stanley Torrey: the
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but it i We don't wanna have a ar an How do you call it? Accu.
  Stanley Torrey: A recha Oh no.
  Donald Knowles: Re recharger.
  Thomas Pinero: Y
  Stanley Torrey: Uh
  Donald Knowles: Base
  Thomas Pinero: uh
  Stanley Torrey: Battery.
  Thomas Pinero: just
  Donald Knowles: station.
  Stanley Torrey: It's
  Thomas Pinero: just
  Stanley Torrey: just a
  Thomas Pinero: batteries,
  Stanley Torrey: battery.
  Thomas Pinero: rechargeable
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: batteries.
  Donald Knowles: batteries. Yes, rechargeable
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: batteries, I think's best.
  Thomas Pinero: Not a separate
  Stanley Torrey: No, just
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: rechargeable batteries.
  Thomas Pinero: And uh a chip, that's this one. Then uh I received some possibilities. Um for the energy source we can use batteries or a kinetic uh Like with the pulse watch. So it operates
  Anthony Soto: Ah
  Thomas Pinero: on
  Anthony Soto: cool.
  Thomas Pinero: your wrist kinda.
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: So if you
  Thomas Pinero: If
  Donald Knowles: hold
  Thomas Pinero: you
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Thomas Pinero: hold
  Donald Knowles: it,
  Stanley Torrey: normally
  Thomas Pinero: it.
  Donald Knowles: it gets
  Stanley Torrey: you
  Donald Knowles: powered.
  Stanley Torrey: put a remote control on the table
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: or
  Thomas Pinero: I don't
  Stanley Torrey: on the
  Thomas Pinero: think it will work,
  Stanley Torrey: couch.
  Thomas Pinero: and Or we can also use solar cells. But you mostly
  Stanley Torrey: It's dark
  Thomas Pinero: use
  Stanley Torrey: in
  Thomas Pinero: it
  Stanley Torrey: the room.
  Thomas Pinero: indoors,
  Stanley Torrey: No. It's
  Thomas Pinero: so
  Stanley Torrey: just batteries, that's cheaper.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, and and we can use the home station kind of thing.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Um cases, flat, so uncurved. Uh two D_ curved is um like front to the back. And three D_ curved is also in depth.
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: So that's possible. Uh but with three D_ uh curved uh remote controls, we must use rubber buttons. So we can't
  Donald Knowles: Mm.
  Thomas Pinero: use the flat
  Donald Knowles: So
  Thomas Pinero: buttons.
  Donald Knowles: we need uh two D_.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: I think.
  Stanley Torrey: Definitely.
  Thomas Pinero: Um these kinda materials can be used.
  Stanley Torrey: But it doesn't really matter, we just make it plastic.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I think so too.
  Stanley Torrey: The scroll wheels, that's cool. That's for the volume.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, scroll wheels um
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, that's good. We can use multiple scroll wheels, w if we want to. But I
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: think just the volume is enough.
  Donald Knowles: Uh For channels it's not
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: handy, because you scroll too fast.
  Thomas Pinero: And uh the L_C_D_. So we need
  Anthony Soto: Mm
  Thomas Pinero: uh the expensive, most expensive chip, if we use an L_C_D_.
  Stanley Torrey: I don't think that's an opportunity. Just skip it. that to
  Thomas Pinero: Okay, then we
  Stanley Torrey: to put it
  Thomas Pinero: we
  Stanley Torrey: in.
  Thomas Pinero: use m must use the second most expensive chip. So th so the regular chip. Because we use scroll wheels.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, okay.
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: And um Yeah, that was it I
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: guess. Uh are are we using a a rubber case, or
  Stanley Torrey: Oh
  Thomas Pinero: We haven't
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Thomas Pinero: decided
  Stanley Torrey: sk Maybe
  Thomas Pinero: yet.
  Stanley Torrey: you have to skip that one as well. It's
  Donald Knowles: Uh I don't think
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Donald Knowles: a rubber
  Thomas Pinero: L
  Donald Knowles: case
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, i
  Donald Knowles: looks
  Anthony Soto: but we
  Thomas Pinero: it
  Anthony Soto: have
  Thomas Pinero: it should
  Anthony Soto: to
  Thomas Pinero: be
  Anthony Soto: do
  Thomas Pinero: soft.
  Anthony Soto: something about the trend.
  Thomas Pinero: You said so?
  Anthony Soto: The trend is uh spong spongy uh and uh fruit or fresh fresh.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, okay. That
  Anthony Soto: And
  Donald Knowles: Uh fruit
  Anthony Soto: uh now
  Donald Knowles: and
  Anthony Soto: we
  Donald Knowles: veg,
  Anthony Soto: have nothing
  Donald Knowles: or
  Anthony Soto: about uh about those those two.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, fruit and veg can be just the covers.
  Anthony Soto: Uh yeah i Just
  Donald Knowles: So you can
  Anthony Soto: Just on front.
  Donald Knowles: the the spongy yeah, I dunno. I can't imagine
  Stanley Torrey: No.
  Donald Knowles: a soft remote control.
  Stanley Torrey: No.
  Donald Knowles: I just can't imagine it.
  Thomas Pinero: So just hard plastic?
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I think. Titanium. It's mentioned here uh.
  Thomas Pinero: Titanium, uh I think it's too expensive.
  Stanley Torrey: But maybe the form has to be a bit different. Not the sh the square form. Just a bit
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, you can make
  Stanley Torrey: more
  Thomas Pinero: it curved
  Stanley Torrey: rounded.
  Thomas Pinero: or
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: mm round. But just in two D_, not
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: in depth.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, that's
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: right.
  Stanley Torrey: So We have to decide which one we're going to choose from these. What exactly. Because we have to know it. So the energy uh is the recharger. We already know that.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Just
  Donald Knowles: We
  Stanley Torrey: a
  Donald Knowles: have
  Stanley Torrey: normal
  Donald Knowles: batteries.
  Stanley Torrey: battery. Okay. The chip-on-print is a normal one.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Regular.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, the case is just a plastic
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah
  Stanley Torrey: one.
  Thomas Pinero: th yeah, the chip is the the regular
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: one. You
  Stanley Torrey: re
  Thomas Pinero: have
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: the simple
  Stanley Torrey: regular.
  Thomas Pinero: one, regular
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: and
  Stanley Torrey: okay.
  Thomas Pinero: advanced. So it's
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: b should
  Stanley Torrey: regular.
  Thomas Pinero: be regular uh the second.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: I think I'll just
  Stanley Torrey: And
  Thomas Pinero: check
  Stanley Torrey: we
  Thomas Pinero: it.
  Stanley Torrey: need a plastic case, with a scroll wheel.
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Stanley Torrey: That's pretty much it.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: User
  Stanley Torrey: And
  Donald Knowles: interface
  Stanley Torrey: a flashy
  Donald Knowles: concept.
  Stanley Torrey: light. So uh I'm not sure. But we do I don't know if we expected to draw on this one at this moment. But
  Donald Knowles: I dunno either.
  Thomas Pinero: Mm. Or should we
  Donald Knowles: Uh
  Thomas Pinero: do it in the next meeting?
  Donald Knowles: I_D_ and U_I_D_ work together on prototype drawing on smart board.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: So
  Stanley Torrey: That's
  Thomas Pinero: we
  Stanley Torrey: for
  Thomas Pinero: should
  Stanley Torrey: the next
  Thomas Pinero: did it
  Stanley Torrey: one.
  Thomas Pinero: here?
  Donald Knowles: So
  Stanley Torrey: That's for
  Donald Knowles: we're
  Stanley Torrey: th
  Donald Knowles: staying here?
  Thomas Pinero: Or should we
  Stanley Torrey: Uh
  Thomas Pinero: do it in the
  Stanley Torrey: that
  Thomas Pinero: next
  Stanley Torrey: I
  Thomas Pinero: meeting?
  Stanley Torrey: think that's the next next meeting.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: But you definitely get a specific instruction.
  Donald Knowles: Okay, so
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: now we're ka thirty minutes alone again?
  Stanley Torrey: But th think about something that's more rounded. Just And more
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, uh
  Stanley Torrey: It has
  Donald Knowles: I dunno.
  Stanley Torrey: to be
  Donald Knowles: But the iPod and etcetera, M_P_ three players, mobile phones.
  Stanley Torrey: Uh a bit. Just just on the top
  Donald Knowles: Just
  Stanley Torrey: or on the
  Donald Knowles: a bit
  Stanley Torrey: bottom.
  Donald Knowles: cur Okay, I'll see if I can see any of those.
  Stanley Torrey: Maybe the wheel can be uh like uh like this. O um if you draw it like this, you get a What the fuck is it? Okay. Mm Doesn't work. You see what I mean? If I draw here
  Thomas Pinero: What?
  Stanley Torrey: It draws about four centimetres
  Thomas Pinero: Oh.
  Stanley Torrey: lower than Nah okay.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: Just. Maybe you can make it like this. And this is all the wheel for volume. So that you just um It's all rounded, so you can do
  Thomas Pinero: Like a
  Stanley Torrey: uh
  Thomas Pinero: very
  Stanley Torrey: turn
  Thomas Pinero: big
  Stanley Torrey: this one.
  Thomas Pinero: scroll-wheel.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, but just not on the top, but uh on the side of it.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: Maybe, I dunno.
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so we have this at the moment.
  Thomas Pinero: I think uh you'll get a a lot of uh volume changing when
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, you
  Thomas Pinero: it's not wanted.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so we'd have this. Is that okay?
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: I
  Donald Knowles: that's
  Thomas Pinero: think
  Donald Knowles: a little
  Thomas Pinero: it's
  Donald Knowles: problem,
  Thomas Pinero: probably
  Donald Knowles: of course,
  Thomas Pinero: better.
  Donald Knowles: as well.
  Stanley Torrey: And
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but maybe we can make a a plastic, so that you i if you like drop it, it won't change the volume.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: Only
  Donald Knowles: maybe
  Thomas Pinero: if you
  Donald Knowles: you just
  Thomas Pinero: use your
  Donald Knowles: have to
  Thomas Pinero: finger.
  Donald Knowles: make it uh That's not scrollable too easy.
  Stanley Torrey: Like this. And uh what's the channel choose? Where do we uh put that?
  Thomas Pinero: I think in
  Stanley Torrey: Still
  Thomas Pinero: middle.
  Stanley Torrey: on the bottom or
  Donald Knowles: Uh wh what is the middle part?
  Stanley Torrey: That's the numbers.
  Thomas Pinero: Uh I
  Donald Knowles: Numbers,
  Thomas Pinero: think th the
  Donald Knowles: okay.
  Thomas Pinero: numbers should be in the bottom, and and the switch channel in the middle.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I agree as well. Use the
  Stanley Torrey: It
  Donald Knowles: dz
  Stanley Torrey: doesn't make a difference, if you put the s uh the switch channels on side of each other or on top of each other. Because you already have the volume here, so You can also put it here one butt and the other one there. Next to each other.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, that's
  Stanley Torrey: back
  Donald Knowles: right.
  Stanley Torrey: and forth. So you can also can put it all on the top, and this, you keep this empty. Because you have to hold it as well.
  Thomas Pinero: Or you could do the switch channel up button above the the numbers and switch channel down button
  Stanley Torrey: But that's
  Thomas Pinero: below.
  Stanley Torrey: not want to zap very quick, so
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Donald Knowles: I
  Thomas Pinero: okay.
  Donald Knowles: think uh zapping
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah?
  Donald Knowles: is the highest priority. And then you use those
  Stanley Torrey: Is
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Stanley Torrey: this a opportunity, or you don't want
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: a different
  Donald Knowles: of course uh.
  Thomas Pinero: Uh but I think we we should bu uh put 'em on top of each other, so
  Stanley Torrey: Why?
  Thomas Pinero: Because then it's it's easy to know m if I push the the
  Stanley Torrey: But still
  Thomas Pinero: the
  Stanley Torrey: the
  Thomas Pinero: up
  Stanley Torrey: next It's still the next one.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: Doesn't
  Thomas Pinero: but the top
  Stanley Torrey: make
  Thomas Pinero: the top button is is like you switch channel up, and down button is
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, but fo
  Thomas Pinero: If you put
  Stanley Torrey: from
  Thomas Pinero: them
  Stanley Torrey: left to right is exactly the same.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: It ma it doesn't make
  Donald Knowles: I
  Stanley Torrey: a big
  Donald Knowles: I
  Stanley Torrey: difference.
  Donald Knowles: think it's
  Thomas Pinero: But
  Donald Knowles: It's
  Thomas Pinero: uh but
  Donald Knowles: it's obvious,
  Thomas Pinero: I I think
  Donald Knowles: I think.
  Thomas Pinero: uh left to right is more often associated with volume, and top down is more with uh
  Anthony Soto: Yeah,
  Thomas Pinero: channel changing.
  Anthony Soto: that's not not
  Stanley Torrey: But it's
  Thomas Pinero: In
  Anthony Soto: It's
  Stanley Torrey: exactly
  Thomas Pinero: uh
  Anthony Soto: not
  Thomas Pinero: On
  Anthony Soto: al
  Thomas Pinero: most
  Anthony Soto: uh always
  Stanley Torrey: th
  Thomas Pinero: on most
  Anthony Soto: the same.
  Thomas Pinero: remote
  Anthony Soto: Every
  Thomas Pinero: controls.
  Anthony Soto: remote control's
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I think
  Anthony Soto: uh
  Thomas Pinero: So so if we
  Anthony Soto: different.
  Thomas Pinero: use that, they will probably have a long learning uh time.
  Stanley Torrey: I dunno.
  Donald Knowles: No,
  Stanley Torrey: I You
  Donald Knowles: uh
  Stanley Torrey: already
  Donald Knowles: I
  Stanley Torrey: have
  Donald Knowles: think
  Stanley Torrey: the volume on the side, so you can't make it you can't ma make a
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: mistake. So it's
  Donald Knowles: I think
  Stanley Torrey: uh
  Donald Knowles: it's s so
  Thomas Pinero: I
  Donald Knowles: simple
  Thomas Pinero: dunno.
  Donald Knowles: you just
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: So but that's for that's for you, 'cause
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: it's
  Donald Knowles: okay I'll d I'll take a look at it.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so hmm. What did What else we have to discuss about? I dunno.
  Donald Knowles: Think we need to work uh thirty minutes again?
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, we have to care that it r uh looks really new. Because uh we still hold on to the uh ordinary uh uh square uh
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: remote control. 'Cause wha what I see the only difference i i i in fact is that we use a scroll-wheel on the outside.
  Stanley Torrey: And the
  Donald Knowles: No,
  Stanley Torrey: LED.
  Donald Knowles: you have uh
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but i
  Donald Knowles: It
  Thomas Pinero: i it
  Donald Knowles: is
  Thomas Pinero: should be round in
  Donald Knowles: Uh
  Thomas Pinero: in shape.
  Donald Knowles: the current
  Thomas Pinero: So
  Donald Knowles: uh controllers are all black and plastic. You have to look at that image of the iPod.
  Anthony Soto: Yes.
  Donald Knowles: More
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: that uh kind of style.
  Anthony Soto: And a bit uh
  Donald Knowles: Not not the old grey
  Stanley Torrey: Uh
  Donald Knowles: black
  Anthony Soto: Some some
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: kind of bling bling uh
  Donald Knowles: Where
  Anthony Soto: mm
  Donald Knowles: you can put a ve
  Anthony Soto: can we have
  Donald Knowles: Uh we have If we do it like that we have below have we uh a lot of room to put a nice logo.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah. Uh the logo was has to be on there. Yeah, that's right.
  Anthony Soto: Uh and how many uh fronts uh fronts do we put on the market then? Uh five or something?
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: Or more
  Stanley Torrey: five.
  Anthony Soto: or
  Stanley Torrey: Let's give five.
  Donald Knowles: Maybe you can buy separate ones
  Anthony Soto: And
  Donald Knowles: and uh
  Anthony Soto: um uh uh buy the product. You buy, you get one. And uh basic. Or you
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: can
  Donald Knowles: Um
  Anthony Soto: choose one uh
  Donald Knowles: I think
  Anthony Soto: if you buy
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: the project.
  Thomas Pinero: No,
  Donald Knowles: That's
  Thomas Pinero: tha
  Donald Knowles: your
  Thomas Pinero: that
  Donald Knowles: choice,
  Thomas Pinero: will be
  Donald Knowles: I think huh.
  Stanley Torrey: So y you can put the bottom of the remote control in recharger? Is that is that a good good opportunity?
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: So you
  Thomas Pinero: so
  Stanley Torrey: could put it like
  Thomas Pinero: top
  Stanley Torrey: that,
  Thomas Pinero: down.
  Stanley Torrey: okay.
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm?
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, you sl uh you let it slide in the docking station.
  Thomas Pinero: Do we have to design that w as well?
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Uh I'm
  Thomas Pinero: The
  Stanley Torrey: not
  Thomas Pinero: docking
  Stanley Torrey: sure.
  Thomas Pinero: station?
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I think so.
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, we
  Donald Knowles: But
  Anthony Soto: can b
  Donald Knowles: th Yeah, that can be very simple. Least.
  Anthony Soto: It c it could be
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: just just
  Thomas Pinero: just a recharger.
  Anthony Soto: a square, just
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: a
  Donald Knowles: just
  Anthony Soto: packet.
  Donald Knowles: where you're around something. Li Yeah, we had one example.
  Thomas Pinero: But we have to make contacts on the on the remote control and the recharger as well.
  Donald Knowles: Mm. Mm.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, but that's a round
  Donald Knowles: Which w
  Anthony Soto: one. Maybe we can choose then.
  Donald Knowles: Here you see one that's very round.
  Thomas Pinero: Oh yeah, okay.
  Donald Knowles: So I think that can be all kind of shapes.
  Stanley Torrey: But maybe you can just round up the corners a bit.
  Thomas Pinero: Of
  Stanley Torrey: That's
  Thomas Pinero: the remote
  Stanley Torrey: all.
  Thomas Pinero: control?
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Just
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: round it
  Donald Knowles: so
  Stanley Torrey: up.
  Donald Knowles: y you don't want uh this uh like the iPod. But
  Stanley Torrey: No.
  Donald Knowles: More rounded.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah. Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I think it will just look like more like this one. Since it's This is also rounded.
  Stanley Torrey: No,
  Donald Knowles: I think
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Donald Knowles: i
  Stanley Torrey: just the corners.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah okay, tho those are al already a bit cornered. Mm
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but we can we can do all kinds of uh As long as it isn is in two D_ we can use all kind of
  Stanley Torrey: Shapes.
  Thomas Pinero: round shapes.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah okay, but then
  Thomas Pinero: Not
  Donald Knowles: we
  Thomas Pinero: in
  Donald Knowles: have
  Thomas Pinero: depth.
  Donald Knowles: to think of something totally new.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but Yeah, if if we want to make it kind of, yeah, new.
  Donald Knowles: I've uh I had a lot of picture of old ones. And all curves have already been done.
  Stanley Torrey: It's a bit annoying, isn't it?
  Anthony Soto: Yeah. What do we do wrong? Hmm. Just just more like this and not uh a square.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah okay,
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: yeah well
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, but we could do a lot of, lot more curving. I would do it
  Donald Knowles: Yeah. I know we can do a lot more, but
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, it
  Thomas Pinero: Like in this kind of shape or
  Anthony Soto: Uh it's very annoying. Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: I dunno. I dunno if it's handy.
  Donald Knowles: I think it will only
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Donald Knowles: look more like the old remote controls.
  Thomas Pinero: This?
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: The olden the olden ones had looked like just a square
  Donald Knowles: Yeah
  Thomas Pinero: thing.
  Donald Knowles: okay. But uh I had a lot of pictures Oh I can show you here what the old ones look like.
  Thomas Pinero: Mm.
  Donald Knowles: Curves, curves.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: You've more there as well.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, okay.
  Donald Knowles: It wasn't very small one.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: very simple. That is for elderly.
  Stanley Torrey: So we have to make a decision, what kind of form it's gonna have t going to have.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I don't know.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: I think if w My opinion. If we just uh take the iPod, and
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: the same look. So uh light or just whatever colour, but the same light colours.
  Thomas Pinero: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Knowles: And uh just with uh together with uh the back-lights b look will look very new. No rubber buttons or something. Just together with the back-lights you'll get a totally new look. More like the M_P_ three player M_ um P_ M_ P_ three player.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: And you have the scroll button inside.
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: Just
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: a simple
  Stanley Torrey: But why
  Donald Knowles: scrollb
  Stanley Torrey: do we have to round it on the t bottom then? Of Skip that one as well.
  Donald Knowles: Doesn't have to be.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay. Yeah, it's cool.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, though that's a trend. If we want to make it. But yeah, I'm not a Trendwatcher, you are. So
  Anthony Soto: Uh the t the trend is
  Stanley Torrey: Rubber spongy.
  Anthony Soto: spongy and fruity. But yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah. No.
  Thomas Pinero: Spongeball
  Donald Knowles: Spongy
  Thomas Pinero: kinda.
  Donald Knowles: and
  Anthony Soto: It's not not a lot of trends I uh I found uh
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so we have s still one minute left. So
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Stanley Torrey: just I think it's okay if you just keep it a bit square.
  Donald Knowles: Mm.
  Thomas Pinero: Okay.
  Anthony Soto: It The
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I d
  Anthony Soto: th
  Thomas Pinero: I
  Anthony Soto: th
  Thomas Pinero: don't know n something about ergonomic kind
  Stanley Torrey: No.
  Thomas Pinero: of fits-in-the-hand
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: uh
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Thomas Pinero: stuff.
  Stanley Torrey: I I think it's still for older people. You j still have older people. It's only annoying if it if it's like that f formed like that, like f Whatever. Just
  Anthony Soto: There is
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: one
  Stanley Torrey: you have
  Thomas Pinero: but
  Stanley Torrey: a normal
  Thomas Pinero: we're we're aiming at a young
  Anthony Soto: There's
  Thomas Pinero: public.
  Anthony Soto: just one overall important aspect is that we must make it fancy and it looks original, and I hope we can uh make it look not like the iPod itself. It must have uh uh uh
  Donald Knowles: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: a very
  Donald Knowles: idea.
  Anthony Soto: different
  Donald Knowles: But you're If you look at the way remote controls are now
  Anthony Soto: Yeah, they're all
  Donald Knowles: And
  Anthony Soto: the same.
  Donald Knowles: if you
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Donald Knowles: make
  Stanley Torrey: i it
  Donald Knowles: it
  Stanley Torrey: is
  Donald Knowles: look
  Stanley Torrey: it
  Donald Knowles: like
  Stanley Torrey: is
  Donald Knowles: the iPod
  Stanley Torrey: it is already fancy. Because of the lights on the bottom
  Donald Knowles: Yeah
  Stanley Torrey: of it. That's
  Donald Knowles: okay.
  Stanley Torrey: already
  Donald Knowles: So
  Stanley Torrey: fancy.
  Donald Knowles: that's already
  Stanley Torrey: Uh
  Donald Knowles: a very big
  Stanley Torrey: maybe
  Donald Knowles: change
  Stanley Torrey: maybe
  Donald Knowles: compared
  Stanley Torrey: make
  Donald Knowles: to
  Stanley Torrey: the the mm the wha what's it called uh scroll wheel. Make it in in yellow or something. Just like the colours of Real
  Thomas Pinero: Hmm.
  Stanley Torrey: Reaction.
  Donald Knowles: Ye yeah. Well uh
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, we could do that.
  Donald Knowles: Could.
  Anthony Soto: Uh yeah, but uh if you the f uh front, the scroll wheel will still uh
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Anthony Soto: be yellow.
  Donald Knowles: No, I think Oh.
  Stanley Torrey: It's right.
  Donald Knowles: Think the scroll wheel won't be very big. Since if you put it uh somewhere, the chances that it will scroll are too big.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: So it will just be a small small scroll wheel. So it won't uh stick out much.
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah. Maybe the ones we are going to draw there. Maybe we have to ask uh to the the mm to her if it has if it can work better than this. Because it doesn't work properly.
  Anthony Soto: No.
  Stanley Torrey: So maybe you
  Donald Knowles: Yeah
  Stanley Torrey: have
  Donald Knowles: okay.
  Stanley Torrey: to ask
  Donald Knowles: Well,
  Stanley Torrey: her.
  Donald Knowles: maybe we can just open images there, and I'll paint and paint.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay.
  Donald Knowles: I'll
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: be able to do
  Stanley Torrey: That's
  Donald Knowles: a better
  Stanley Torrey: probably
  Donald Knowles: job.
  Anthony Soto: If you set the pen yeah, he will draw here. Doesn't work.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, so just finish it. So we make it a bit like m that one probably.
  Anthony Soto: Yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah. Is that okay?
  Donald Knowles: Bu
  Anthony Soto: I'll see it.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, I
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: agree more
  Stanley Torrey: Okay,
  Donald Knowles: like iPod.
  Stanley Torrey: only the colour and the flashy light and
  Donald Knowles: Yes.
  Stanley Torrey: the
  Donald Knowles: Just
  Stanley Torrey: We just
  Donald Knowles: a
  Stanley Torrey: we just skip the the the voca or was it the the speech
  Donald Knowles: Speech.
  Stanley Torrey: recognition.
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, do we s keep that? Yeah, I think
  Stanley Torrey: Or keep that? It's okay. But you'd definitely
  Thomas Pinero: S
  Stanley Torrey: need a
  Donald Knowles: Well
  Thomas Pinero: Uh
  Donald Knowles: uh then
  Thomas Pinero: yeah,
  Stanley Torrey: advanced
  Donald Knowles: it
  Thomas Pinero: I
  Donald Knowles: w
  Stanley Torrey: chip.
  Thomas Pinero: don't
  Anthony Soto: Uh
  Thomas Pinero: know. Yeah, I think so. And we we have to build in a microphone and
  Donald Knowles: Well that's very easy. We already have uh the beeping of the
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, and I do I
  Donald Knowles: home
  Thomas Pinero: don't
  Donald Knowles: station,
  Thomas Pinero: know anything
  Donald Knowles: so
  Thomas Pinero: about that. I d
  Anthony Soto: No.
  Thomas Pinero: I didn't receive any information
  Donald Knowles: Uh strange
  Thomas Pinero: on speech
  Donald Knowles: that
  Thomas Pinero: recognition,
  Donald Knowles: I received
  Thomas Pinero: so
  Donald Knowles: the
  Anthony Soto: Oh that's hard.
  Donald Knowles: information
  Anthony Soto: But
  Donald Knowles: about
  Stanley Torrey: So
  Donald Knowles: that.
  Anthony Soto: Uh the ma the main points I I I uh just said. We have to be original and uh technological innovative. Becau Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: Can we just
  Anthony Soto: But
  Stanley Torrey: put it speech recognition in it as well, okay?
  Donald Knowles: So shall we
  Anthony Soto: Ma
  Donald Knowles: it open then?
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: So we can put all the
  Stanley Torrey: The function of that in there. Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: And we need
  Thomas Pinero: Fine.
  Stanley Torrey: a Probably we need a uh advanced chip then.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, we
  Stanley Torrey: But
  Thomas Pinero: probably
  Stanley Torrey: it doesn't say
  Thomas Pinero: do.
  Stanley Torrey: anything
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Stanley Torrey: about it, does it?
  Thomas Pinero: No.
  Donald Knowles: Oh yeah,
  Anthony Soto: But we don't
  Donald Knowles: I
  Anthony Soto: have any f information about the cost.
  Donald Knowles: No.
  Anthony Soto: We started with information about
  Donald Knowles: I just
  Anthony Soto: the cost
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah,
  Anthony Soto: was
  Thomas Pinero: uh
  Anthony Soto: now
  Donald Knowles: I
  Thomas Pinero: I
  Donald Knowles: just
  Anthony Soto: th
  Donald Knowles: received
  Thomas Pinero: have I
  Donald Knowles: the
  Thomas Pinero: have some some information about the cost. But just a about
  Donald Knowles: Yeah.
  Thomas Pinero: the chip.
  Anthony Soto: And how much is the chip? The the the
  Thomas Pinero: I don't know how much, but
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, our division has
  Thomas Pinero: Just
  Donald Knowles: developed
  Thomas Pinero: in inexpensive
  Donald Knowles: a new speech recognition
  Thomas Pinero: or
  Donald Knowles: feature, the integrated programmable sample sensor simple speaker u unit. This is a very small electronic unit, will give a standard answer after it recognise a question.
  Anthony Soto: And how how does it work? Is it
  Donald Knowles: Doesn't say. Just You say record, followed by your question sample, and after a few seconds the answer uh sample. Because uh So it works like uh good morning remote control, and then the remote control says good morning.
  Stanley Torrey: It doesn't has to say anything.
  Anthony Soto: No.
  Stanley Torrey: Just You have to just talk
  Anthony Soto: Does
  Stanley Torrey: to
  Donald Knowles: Yeah
  Anthony Soto: it say
  Donald Knowles: uh th that's
  Anthony Soto: does it say
  Donald Knowles: just
  Anthony Soto: something
  Stanley Torrey: Okay,
  Anthony Soto: back?
  Stanley Torrey: we have to stop
  Donald Knowles: It's
  Stanley Torrey: it now.
  Donald Knowles: a
  Stanley Torrey: So
  Donald Knowles: No.
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Donald Knowles: Yeah, it Well that's integrated in the chip, so if you use the speech recognition,
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, that's a r
  Donald Knowles: that's
  Stanley Torrey: That's that's
  Donald Knowles: in it.
  Stanley Torrey: a
  Thomas Pinero: But i it's
  Stanley Torrey: advanced
  Thomas Pinero: a separate chip.
  Donald Knowles: I dunno, but if we use speech recognition, that will be in it as well.
  Anthony Soto: Okay.
  Thomas Pinero: Yeah, I don't know anything about
  Anthony Soto: Um
  Thomas Pinero: this, but
  Stanley Torrey: Yeah, we
  Thomas Pinero: Nah.
  Stanley Torrey: just decide not to put it in, because it's too difficult.
  Thomas Pinero: I dunno.
  Donald Knowles: Well it it would be would be a good feature
  Anthony Soto: Yeah.
  Donald Knowles: feature.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay, we just put it in, because
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Stanley Torrey: it's a good feature.
  Donald Knowles: No
  Stanley Torrey: We
  Donald Knowles: no worries about
  Stanley Torrey: have to
  Donald Knowles: the cost,
  Stanley Torrey: stop now.
  Donald Knowles: etcetera.
  Stanley Torrey: Okay,
  Donald Knowles: And there's
  Stanley Torrey: just
  Donald Knowles: a chip
  Stanley Torrey: We
  Donald Knowles: in
  Stanley Torrey: have
  Donald Knowles: it
  Stanley Torrey: to stop
  Donald Knowles: that
  Stanley Torrey: it
  Donald Knowles: will
  Stanley Torrey: now.
  Donald Knowles: Okay.
  Anthony Soto: Fine.
Updated Content: Stanley Torrey reviewed the minutes from the previous meeting. Anthony Soto gave a trendwatching report. He found that a fancy look and feel was most important for users. He also discussed the trend towards spongy materials. The group discussed the cost of adding speech recognition, the LCD screen, and the advanced chip. Donald Knowles discussed the look of the interface with the group. They discussed the placement and design of the buttons and decided to use scroll wheels for volume. Thomas Pinero advised that flashy colors and rounded shapes be used. The group discussed how to incorporate the logo and including changeable faces. They discussed materials for the buttons and the backlight. The group decided to use rechargeable batteries and a stand, to use plastic for the casing and buttons, and to not include an LCD screen. Donald Knowles and Thomas Pinero were instructed to draw the prototype at the next meeting, and Donald Knowles was instructed to finalize the button placement. The group finalized the look of the product, and eventually decided to incorporate speech recognition and an advanced chip.