Extracted Content: Antonio Betzer: Wouldn't wanna be Project Manager. Uh what, we going to do. Um, once again I'm uh gonna take minutes. So, um no presentation for Ralph Jackson. Uh, first we have a prototype presentation by G_ and G_.
  James Larson: Yo.
  Ralph Jackson: J_
  Antonio Betzer: Afterwards
  Ralph Jackson: and J_.
  Antonio Betzer: some uh eval eval evalu
  Jesus Goodwin: Evaluation.
  Ralph Jackson: Evaluation.
  James Larson: Evaluation
  Antonio Betzer: evaluation
  James Larson: criteria.
  Antonio Betzer: s sorry. Uh evaluation crit criteria. Uh, in combination with the finance I um uh I received uh a an uh an Excel uh file
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: which we have to fill in later on. Um, you see. Uh, and
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm. Interesting.
  Antonio Betzer: then we must see uh if we uh stay under the twelve
  Ralph Jackson: Ah,
  Antonio Betzer: and a
  Ralph Jackson: okay.
  Antonio Betzer: half Euro. So, that's uh
  James Larson: Oops.
  Ralph Jackson: Cool.
  Jesus Goodwin: Mm-hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: that's a
  Jesus Goodwin: That's
  Antonio Betzer: big
  Jesus Goodwin: gonna
  Antonio Betzer: l so
  Jesus Goodwin: be
  Antonio Betzer: let's uh wait
  Jesus Goodwin: problem.
  Antonio Betzer: it uh um
  James Larson: Some creative
  Antonio Betzer: we have we
  James Larson: uh
  Antonio Betzer: have must uh, we must have uh some time for that uh because it will be uh yeah, quite a lot
  James Larson: Oh.
  Antonio Betzer: of mathematics.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: And after that, uh uh an evaluation of uh the process how we uh how we have done it here with the SMARTboard, with the with our laptops, with the all uh all this. And uh afterwards, uh we closing. Once again, forty minutes, so uh
  James Larson: Ok
  Antonio Betzer: let's start.
  James Larson: okay.
  Antonio Betzer: I would g give the word to um G_ and G_ for the prototype
  James Larson: Shall I
  Antonio Betzer: presentation.
  James Larson: give a short introduction and then uh
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, well sure.
  Ralph Jackson: J_ and J_.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: J_ and J_.
  Ralph Jackson: Jane and Jane.
  James Larson: J_ and J_, okay.
  Ralph Jackson: 'Kay guys, take it away.
  Jesus Goodwin: Hi.
  James Larson: Take it away.
  James Larson: Um, this was our first concept. We decided to use a single touch-screen. So, we've worked out this concepts, how to how to hold it, where to put the buttons and and stuff. And um, well, we began with uh a form of, that is uh is easy to hold w in one hand, left or right handed. So, we made i it a little bit less thick and uh it has some ar artistic meaning. No? This uh isn't nothing. Idea maybe uh is better. Um well, during the meeting I showed you the concept of uh placing the buttons on top, usable with your thumb, and uh the menu structure, uh if necessary, with your other hand, so it's just gonna hold it easily. And it has to be acce accessible with your uh other hand too, of course. So we began uh working out a concept.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, uh well, and as you saw, we would just have the basic remote with the panel L_C_D_ uh screen. Well, these would be the main buttons, h you could uh change them later on in your own profile if you want to. But, well it's standard they will be delivered with this kind of uh set-up. We have the more advanced menu uh setting right here. We the sub-menus and We made a top oh, or a front view. Just so like you wanna uh back view. As you can see, this uh there, there are uh two uh weird bumps in it. This is for uh the added uh effect of uh well uh y youth and dynamic. And uh this is for the artistic effect. Well, what we figured is uh we'll show you a picture later on you have more b a better idea after that. But, idea is for to stay in balance with these two uh with
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  Jesus Goodwin: these two. And so when you put it on the table, it will just lay down. It won't uh roll around or stuff. But it will lie more in your hand like an old telephone maybe, or like these old
  Antonio Betzer: Mm.
  Jesus Goodwin: uh phones. Y you you may get the idea. So thi this is about uh how we figured it should be. The s panel we g you would hide with some more uh rubber layers, like we discussed early on. Uh, you would s you wouldn't see the uh straight panel, but more fluidly and
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: round.
  James Larson: the panel just uh of course goes like this.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: But the overlaying layer is uh a little bit uh curved and stuff.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: No, okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: And uh, in these bumps you could actually uh put some electronics uh that would you can make a more thinner uh
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: design, and that would actually
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: look very nice, yeah. And uh, about the colour, what have
  James Larson: Yeah. Oh, we added that this um can be held with your hands for this maximum is om yeah, one and a half centimetres. So, you have room here for your battery and maybe even other um electronic chips. S
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  James Larson: and you can just be the the layer of the touchscreen and some have some wires underneath it to make
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  James Larson: it as uh thin as possible in the middle for good grip.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, f uh, as colours, do you do you have the picture in uh
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Oh yeah. Now, well this is the idea about uh the bumps. Uh, you can see there's a v a very uh youthful uh dynamic uh exterior. It uh you just want to hold it you uh you are young and uh dynamic
  Ralph Jackson: 'S l
  Jesus Goodwin: like
  Ralph Jackson: it's
  Jesus Goodwin: us.
  Ralph Jackson: like an uh Easter egg.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, it's
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: like an e but this is for children. We we want a more adult version. But, this is like a remote control for children.
  Antonio Betzer: It's called a weemote
  Ralph Jackson: Weemote.
  Jesus Goodwin: A weemote. Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Weemote.
  Jesus Goodwin: Hey, that's actually a brilliant uh marketing stand. Uh,
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Wait
  Jesus Goodwin: but
  Ralph Jackson: what I w got in mind.
  Jesus Goodwin: So this actually basic the idea. We we just want to build a more uh adult vers adult version of of this.
  Ralph Jackson: Mm-hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, I can imagine that.
  Jesus Goodwin: And and for colours, we we figured starting with basic colours like uh white or metallic grey. Those are the technological colours actually,
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: so
  James Larson: It
  Jesus Goodwin: it
  James Larson: would
  Jesus Goodwin: d
  James Larson: be best to to appeal to a broad public and make the covers exchangeable, so the young people will buy an orange and a red and
  Jesus Goodwin: Or
  James Larson: blue
  Jesus Goodwin: blue
  James Larson: and a purple,
  Jesus Goodwin: or whatever.
  James Larson: but when the o older people uh go in the shop and they see uh an orange um remote control, it would be less appealing than a white one. And young
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  James Larson: people, we think, are a little bit more flexible, they think, ah I'll buy for a couple of Euros
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  James Larson: some noi nice hip
  Ralph Jackson: Maybe
  James Larson: uh
  Ralph Jackson: it's an idea to sell it without a cover, so
  James Larson: Well,
  Ralph Jackson: that can a in the
  James Larson: um
  Ralph Jackson: in the shop.
  James Larson: I think a cover is necessary, 'cause als otherwise
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, okay.
  James Larson: you'll just
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, okay.
  James Larson: have the L_C_D_ screen. So, there must be some cheap standard cover,
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  James Larson: um maybe
  Ralph Jackson: Mm.
  James Larson: white or something, that's could comes with it and you can buy, so we can make extra
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: money.
  Antonio Betzer: but uh you
  Ralph Jackson: Oui okay.
  Antonio Betzer: d you mustn't forget that uh our target aim is younger people. Uh, we had decided to uh put uh some flashy fruity colours in it, uh and uh in the survey from uh Milan and Paris uh it uh it came out that uh uh the d the older people are uh more willing to uh to spend money on extra features.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: So I think uh it will be a better idea to have some uh flashy
  James Larson: The other way around,
  Antonio Betzer: fruity colours
  James Larson: you mean.
  Antonio Betzer: as as a standard,
  Jesus Goodwin: Oh
  Antonio Betzer: and
  Jesus Goodwin: yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: for the people who uh really want uh a more sophisticated, more traditional
  James Larson: Uh-huh.
  Antonio Betzer: look, they're willing to pay uh that.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: They want uh they want more luxury stuff, but they have the money to do it and
  James Larson: Mm-hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: they want to b to buy that.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: So, maybe
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: it's an idea to put that as an extra and
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: not as a standard.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, maybe yeah, perhaps you're right. Uh, I I would I would actually agree with this sounds logical.
  James Larson: Okay,
  Ralph Jackson: An another
  James Larson: yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: idea. Uh, maybe we could uh develop a cover uh with wood style.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: They'll please the elder users as well.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Well yeah, a colour of a wood style, a white c and uh a couple of h hip uh fruity colours.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yes.
  Jesus Goodwin: Nah.
  James Larson: And lea
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: uh l delivered standard with a fruity colour, but not too
  Ralph Jackson: Not not too
  James Larson: not too
  Ralph Jackson: uh
  James Larson: much. This is
  Ralph Jackson: yeah.
  James Larson: banana and mango, not not purple or p orange and
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, exactly.
  James Larson: yellow.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah. But,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah. Or
  Antonio Betzer: the
  Ralph Jackson: blue
  Antonio Betzer: mai I
  Ralph Jackson: or
  Antonio Betzer: think th uh the standard must be some kind of uh uh attractive flashy colours. Not
  James Larson: Ah.
  Antonio Betzer: too, but
  James Larson: Mm-hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: w a little,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: because
  Jesus Goodwin: li like
  Antonio Betzer: that's
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: our
  Jesus Goodwin: like
  Antonio Betzer: aim.
  Jesus Goodwin: this like this. This
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: isn't this isn't too
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: much,
  James Larson: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: is it? I
  James Larson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: f
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Well, the buttons
  Ralph Jackson: Well
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: don't
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Antonio Betzer: have
  Jesus Goodwin: The
  Antonio Betzer: to
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Jesus Goodwin: buttons,
  Antonio Betzer: be
  Ralph Jackson: I think
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Jesus Goodwin: I
  Antonio Betzer: all
  Ralph Jackson: so.
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, except
  Antonio Betzer: all of
  Ralph Jackson: for the buttons it's
  Antonio Betzer: yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: it could
  Antonio Betzer: It
  Ralph Jackson: be a standard model.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, uh something like this would be nice.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: Okay, that's that's it from us.
  Antonio Betzer: Thank you.
  Ralph Jackson: 'Kay, it's my time now.
  James Larson: It's my turn.
  Antonio Betzer: Ralph Jackson.
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh-oh.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay. During the Oh. During the design uh design life-cycle
  Antonio Betzer: Sorry.
  Ralph Jackson: we uh we made lot of requirements and trend analysis and stuff. Um, now is the time to uh evaluate our prototype concept to uh to the past requirements. So we are going to evaluate the design according to the past user requirements and trends analysis. Um, we're going to do that with a seven point scale. Opening a Word document now.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay. One oh, okay, uh I have to expla explain something. We have to uh be consensive about about things. So, it has to be a group uh group decision. Okay?
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, so
  Ralph Jackson: Uh
  Antonio Betzer: we gon we gonna evaluate
  Ralph Jackson: We're going to
  Antonio Betzer: the
  Ralph Jackson: vote. We yeah? The
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: prototype.
  Antonio Betzer: the the thing we saw.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, just saw.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay, one. The remote control is designed for people with age below forty.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah. Seven?
  Ralph Jackson: Seven is false.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh, true.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: Sorry.
  Ralph Jackson: b one or
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, one I think.
  Ralph Jackson: Most
  Jesus Goodwin: Why?
  Ralph Jackson: true?
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, it's not
  James Larson: Mm.
  Jesus Goodwin: just uh designed for people under the age of forty. It's also designed for people above
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: forty.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: so so
  Jesus Goodwin: So
  Ralph Jackson: a o one is appropriate? Or,
  James Larson: No no, a little
  Ralph Jackson: more
  James Larson: more
  Ralph Jackson: like a
  James Larson: in
  Ralph Jackson: four.
  James Larson: the middle. No,
  Jesus Goodwin: I have
  Ralph Jackson: Three.
  James Larson: uh
  Jesus Goodwin: I've
  James Larson: three or yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, two or three, because it's not just uh the qu question
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: is aimed at is it designed for people with age below forty. But it's also designed for people
  Ralph Jackson: Ah,
  Jesus Goodwin: of
  Ralph Jackson: exactly.
  Jesus Goodwin: age above forty. So,
  Ralph Jackson: Exactly.
  Jesus Goodwin: I'll say it's about
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: three.
  James Larson: it will be primary
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  Ralph Jackson: Three.
  James Larson: appealing to to m minus forty, but
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: also appealing
  Ralph Jackson: But also
  James Larson: to
  Ralph Jackson: for yeah, okay. Uh, second. The remote control is beautiful.
  James Larson: Yeah. It's Wow.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, acco according to us, it's one? Or
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: I I think
  James Larson: it's
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: the marketing uh
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: angle on television.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, p s
  James Larson: We have a wonderful
  Ralph Jackson: Of c of course you have to be uh very positive and uh enthusiastic about your
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: own product.
  James Larson: Well, it's also fancy
  Ralph Jackson: Three.
  James Larson: then.
  Ralph Jackson: Uh, the remote control looks fancy.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: One?
  James Larson: Of
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes.
  James Larson: course.
  Antonio Betzer: Yep.
  James Larson: We have a perfect remote.
  Ralph Jackson: Good. Four. The remote control has big, clear channel switching buttons.
  James Larson: Yes. Yeah yeah, oh they have to agree but
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Yes.
  Jesus Goodwin: Leads to user face, yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Daniel.
  James Larson: I'm the User Interface uh Expert.
  Ralph Jackson: Uh, teletext buttons and volume buttons?
  James Larson: Um,
  Antonio Betzer: No
  James Larson: uh
  Antonio Betzer: teletext
  James Larson: no.
  Antonio Betzer: buttons. Teletext
  James Larson: You you've
  Antonio Betzer: is in the menu.
  James Larson: different
  Ralph Jackson: False?
  James Larson: menu.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, false.
  James Larson: And volume
  Ralph Jackson: And
  James Larson: is
  Ralph Jackson: volume?
  James Larson: impo yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Volume is true.
  Ralph Jackson: True.
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh, hmm.
  Ralph Jackson: Big and clear?
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, the
  James Larson: Yeah
  Jesus Goodwin: they are big
  James Larson: yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: and clear.
  James Larson: big
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: and clear.
  Antonio Betzer: big and clear.
  James Larson: But you could make a teletext
  Ralph Jackson: Hey.
  James Larson: button uh six. Otherwise,
  Ralph Jackson: Hey.
  James Larson: the people who read
  Ralph Jackson: Hide.
  James Larson: this uh are gonna think we have no teletext button.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, but but the teletext button. Yeah, you can ch
  Ralph Jackson: It's
  Jesus Goodwin: That's
  Ralph Jackson: it's
  Jesus Goodwin: in
  Ralph Jackson: not
  Jesus Goodwin: a menu. So, it's
  Ralph Jackson: yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: w yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: it
  Jesus Goodwin: it it it it
  Ralph Jackson: J
  Jesus Goodwin: isn't entirely unclear, but So, I wouldn't give it a seven. I would
  James Larson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: give it a more a five or a six.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Five? Okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh, I don I don't know. What
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: do you think,
  Ralph Jackson: it's it's
  Jesus Goodwin: uh
  Antonio Betzer: Oh,
  Jesus Goodwin: Mister
  Ralph Jackson: yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: Project
  Antonio Betzer: Well,
  Jesus Goodwin: Manager?
  Antonio Betzer: I agree. I was thinking
  Jesus Goodwin: Hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: very black and white.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: Black and red.
  Antonio Betzer: Thank you J_.
  Ralph Jackson: Red.
  James Larson: Okay,
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  James Larson: don't forget to save it.
  Ralph Jackson: Volume.
  James Larson: Uh
  Ralph Jackson: The remote control is easy to be found.
  James Larson: Uh well, when we put in fancy colours, yeah and
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, it has these all these fruity colours and it
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: has a strange shape.
  Antonio Betzer: Fruity.
  Jesus Goodwin: So, if you so if you have
  James Larson: But, um
  Jesus Goodwin: trouble finding it
  James Larson: it it's not making any sound uh, have
  Ralph Jackson: Oh,
  James Larson: we
  Ralph Jackson: okay,
  James Larson: deciding?
  Ralph Jackson: but
  James Larson: So
  Ralph Jackson: If you put uh your normal uh remote control under your bed, or you throw this remote control under your bed, is it better findable?
  James Larson: It'll make a difference. We have the better re I don't know. Yeah, I think so. My remote control's black.
  Ralph Jackson: A li little bit maybe?
  James Larson: A little bit,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: but yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Well,
  Ralph Jackson: Four?
  Antonio Betzer: we p
  James Larson: Uh
  Antonio Betzer: we can
  Ralph Jackson: Fi
  Antonio Betzer: do it glow in the dark. So,
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Antonio Betzer: if
  James Larson: K yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: it's in the dark
  James Larson: Fo
  Antonio Betzer: place,
  James Larson: fo
  Antonio Betzer: you still
  James Larson: yeah
  Antonio Betzer: see
  Ralph Jackson: Ah,
  Antonio Betzer: it
  James Larson: fo
  Antonio Betzer: glowing.
  Ralph Jackson: I
  James Larson: five
  Ralph Jackson: I I
  James Larson: is.
  Ralph Jackson: think five. It's it's it doesn't really make a lot of
  Jesus Goodwin: Well, then uh then I'll go for four.
  Ralph Jackson: Four?
  Jesus Goodwin: Because uh four is between three and uh uh also between between
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: true and false.
  James Larson: okay,
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh,
  James Larson: you're right.
  Antonio Betzer: I
  Jesus Goodwin: so I'll
  Antonio Betzer: think
  Jesus Goodwin: I'll go for
  Ralph Jackson: Yes,
  Jesus Goodwin: four.
  Antonio Betzer: Ah,
  Ralph Jackson: but
  Antonio Betzer: you must
  Ralph Jackson: five
  Antonio Betzer: see it as
  Ralph Jackson: is between four and six.
  Antonio Betzer: uh,
  Jesus Goodwin: Wha
  Antonio Betzer: w uh according to uh the the other uh remote controls, there may uh
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Ralph Jackson: B_.
  Antonio Betzer: be there in your
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: uh T_V_ room, this one will stand out, I think.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, that
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: that's a better question
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: actually.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: it
  Antonio Betzer: Exa
  Ralph Jackson: it's
  Antonio Betzer: I think
  James Larson: If your
  Antonio Betzer: that
  James Larson: uh fifteen
  Antonio Betzer: that's what
  James Larson: remotes
  Antonio Betzer: it's about.
  James Larson: in a drawer, uh you find it, yeah?
  Antonio Betzer: If it if this lying on your couch, you're you're you think what's that for kinda orange
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: uh thing.
  Ralph Jackson: yeah. But
  Antonio Betzer: So
  Ralph Jackson: but the survey under
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: users was that they uh really lost it.
  James Larson: Yeah, that's stupid.
  Ralph Jackson: Like, no not uh not seeing it, but lost it in the house or something.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: Uh, but when
  Ralph Jackson: But,
  James Larson: you
  Ralph Jackson: okay.
  James Larson: lost it
  Jesus Goodwin: Well,
  James Larson: you're just
  Jesus Goodwin: if i if
  James Larson: not
  Jesus Goodwin: you see a strange shape lying somewhere, uh then you'd uh recognise it as, whoa, that is strange.
  James Larson: Yeah, mostly
  Antonio Betzer: That's
  James Larson: when
  Antonio Betzer: our
  James Larson: you
  Antonio Betzer: remote
  James Larson: lose
  Antonio Betzer: control.
  James Larson: your
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  James Larson: remote
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: okay.
  James Larson: control,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  James Larson: it it's
  Jesus Goodwin: what
  James Larson: under
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: is
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Jesus Goodwin: that.
  James Larson: your
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh,
  Ralph Jackson: I agree, I agree. Okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: so it's
  James Larson: Most of times
  Ralph Jackson: Eight,
  James Larson: when you lose it you're sitting
  Ralph Jackson: the remote
  James Larson: on it.
  Ralph Jackson: control
  James Larson: Uh
  Ralph Jackson: has fresh, fruity colours.
  Antonio Betzer: True.
  James Larson: Um I would call uh choose two, 'cause we decided not to make
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  James Larson: two f
  Ralph Jackson: yeah,
  James Larson: uh fresh colours,
  Ralph Jackson: not
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: too flashy.
  James Larson: as it would not.
  Ralph Jackson: The remote control is made of soft material.
  James Larson: Um,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, rubber, is kind of soft.
  James Larson: kinda
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: soft,
  Antonio Betzer: but
  James Larson: but
  Antonio Betzer: not too
  James Larson: but
  Antonio Betzer: soft
  James Larson: not
  Antonio Betzer: we have
  James Larson: this.
  Antonio Betzer: decided.
  Ralph Jackson: Three?
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Three, yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah. Yeah yeah, easy to use,
  Antonio Betzer: Easy to use. One.
  James Larson: very afford.
  Ralph Jackson: Easy to use?
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, can it be zero?
  Jesus Goodwin: Well, I don yeah, it is
  Ralph Jackson: Top
  Jesus Goodwin: kind
  Ralph Jackson: easy
  Jesus Goodwin: of
  Ralph Jackson: to use? It's
  Jesus Goodwin: It
  Ralph Jackson: it's not the most easy to use
  James Larson: No,
  Jesus Goodwin: No. Uh
  James Larson: you can do two, because um
  Ralph Jackson: It can be easier.
  James Larson: it can be easier.
  Jesus Goodwin: It could
  Ralph Jackson: Jus
  Jesus Goodwin: yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: just with ten
  James Larson: l
  Ralph Jackson: buttons,
  James Larson: yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: that's the easiest.
  James Larson: but then you'll lose
  Jesus Goodwin: Functional
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: function
  Jesus Goodwin: ability.
  James Larson: f yeah, functionality and our fancy uh look, so.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, but the most uh
  James Larson: But
  Ralph Jackson: easy to use
  James Larson: It
  Ralph Jackson: is just
  James Larson: is r
  Ralph Jackson: with
  James Larson: it
  Ralph Jackson: one
  James Larson: is rather
  Ralph Jackson: button
  James Larson: easy to use, because you have
  Ralph Jackson: on
  James Larson: the
  Ralph Jackson: t
  James Larson: primary buttons always visible.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, okay, but easy n not not the most easy to
  Jesus Goodwin: No,
  Ralph Jackson: use,
  Jesus Goodwin: it's
  James Larson: No.
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Jesus Goodwin: it
  Ralph Jackson: think.
  Jesus Goodwin: I I'll go for two. My vote's
  Ralph Jackson: Two?
  Jesus Goodwin: on two.
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: m mine
  Antonio Betzer: two.
  James Larson: too.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, two.
  Ralph Jackson: We also have to compare it to the uh to the remote controls on the market nowadays. So
  James Larson: Yeah, but waits just a minutes. Inspiration.
  Antonio Betzer: What's the time? We also have uh to do the evaluation,
  James Larson: These are the
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: m
  Antonio Betzer: the production
  James Larson: regular
  Antonio Betzer: costs
  James Larson: remotes.
  Antonio Betzer: and uh stuff.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah yeah, I'm uh hurrying. Okay, eleven. The remote control is innovative.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Yes,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes.
  James Larson: true, one.
  Ralph Jackson: A very
  Antonio Betzer: You're agree, Tim?
  Ralph Jackson: of course.
  Antonio Betzer: You haven't seen a more innovative uh thing in uh
  Ralph Jackson: The remote
  Antonio Betzer: Paris?
  Ralph Jackson: control has m remova removable from
  James Larson: Yes,
  Ralph Jackson: Multilux.
  James Larson: one. Very multifunctional. No.
  Ralph Jackson: The remote control, i it has speech recognition. False.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes,
  Antonio Betzer: False.
  Jesus Goodwin: it
  James Larson: This is used with speech recognition, this.
  Ralph Jackson: The remote control has built-in games?
  James Larson: Yes. But uh, maybe make it two, because the games are in a sub-menu and not uh it's not an entire
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, but
  James Larson: game.
  Antonio Betzer: they are built in, so it's one.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, they are built in.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah, okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: Not down.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  Ralph Jackson: And the last, paren parental advisory function.
  James Larson: Yes.
  Jesus Goodwin: You really like the parental
  Antonio Betzer: Freak.
  Jesus Goodwin: advisory.
  Ralph Jackson: Yes,
  James Larson: Th did
  Ralph Jackson: I do.
  James Larson: you make this or
  Jesus Goodwin: Bu
  James Larson: the
  Ralph Jackson: Save as.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, he made it.
  James Larson: Yeah, It changes it maybe.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay, I will uh
  James Larson: Oh yay.
  Ralph Jackson: do the the math.
  James Larson: Oh dear.
  Ralph Jackson: Now it's your turn.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, thank you. We'll see.
  James Larson: Hmm?
  Antonio Betzer: Mm.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, we have now to c uh to calculate the production cost. If it's under uh twelve and half Euro, then it's uh ok uh okay. But i is it if it is b Huh? No, this isn't right. Okay so, Redesign.
  James Larson: If they're under
  Antonio Betzer: Oh
  James Larson: twelve
  Antonio Betzer: yeah,
  James Larson: fifty.
  Antonio Betzer: if they under Yeah. No. Oh yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah? Cau 'cause so
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: it's okay.
  Antonio Betzer: it's sorry. Yeah, if the costs are under twelve and a half Euro, uh then we uh can uh ra uh move on to the project evaluation, as we have uh experienced it. Otherwise, we have uh do uh have to do a little uh redesign uh thingy. So to fill in the numbers of the component uh components. We have to uh fil uh, want to uh do it in and uh see uh if we stay under the twelve and a half Euro. So, do we have uh a hand dynamo?
  Jesus Goodwin: No.
  Antonio Betzer: No. That's
  Jesus Goodwin: Ralph Jackson, too.
  Antonio Betzer: zero.
  James Larson: Battery,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes.
  James Larson: yes.
  Antonio Betzer: Battery,
  James Larson: One.
  Antonio Betzer: one?
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: One,
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: yeah. Kinetic, one.
  Antonio Betzer: Kinetic,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: one?
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, solar cells, zero.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, uh simple
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: chip on print?
  Jesus Goodwin: n no.
  Ralph Jackson: No.
  Antonio Betzer: No?
  Ralph Jackson: Advanced
  Jesus Goodwin: No.
  Antonio Betzer: No,
  Ralph Jackson: chip.
  James Larson: No.
  Antonio Betzer: advanced
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes.
  Antonio Betzer: chip. Sample sensor sample speaker?
  James Larson: No,
  Jesus Goodwin: No.
  James Larson: the advanced
  Ralph Jackson: Advanced
  James Larson: chip
  Ralph Jackson: chip is
  James Larson: is
  Ralph Jackson: three.
  James Larson: uh
  Antonio Betzer: Three?
  Ralph Jackson: Three Euros, yep.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah
  Jesus Goodwin: we have
  Antonio Betzer: uh, but
  Jesus Goodwin: one.
  Antonio Betzer: it
  Jesus Goodwin: We
  Antonio Betzer: it's
  Jesus Goodwin: have
  Antonio Betzer: one
  Jesus Goodwin: one.
  Antonio Betzer: one
  Ralph Jackson: Okay,
  Antonio Betzer: thing,
  Ralph Jackson: one piece,
  Antonio Betzer: it's
  Ralph Jackson: yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: three Euro.
  Jesus Goodwin: No,
  Antonio Betzer: Uh,
  Ralph Jackson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: sev
  Antonio Betzer: what's
  Jesus Goodwin: zero.
  Antonio Betzer: the sample sensor?
  Jesus Goodwin: Well, that's um
  Ralph Jackson: Speech recognition,
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: yeah,
  James Larson: you
  Jesus Goodwin: speech
  Ralph Jackson: I
  James Larson: give
  Ralph Jackson: think.
  Jesus Goodwin: recognition
  James Larson: it a sample,
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: and s
  James Larson: uh one.
  Antonio Betzer: Zero. Uh, uncurved flat.
  James Larson: No.
  Ralph Jackson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: A zero.
  Antonio Betzer: No. But is it s
  Ralph Jackson: No.
  James Larson: You
  Antonio Betzer: it's
  James Larson: no.
  Antonio Betzer: not made from a single uncurved thingy
  Jesus Goodwin: No.
  Antonio Betzer: and
  Jesus Goodwin: No.
  Antonio Betzer: then uh
  Ralph Jackson: Thingy.
  Antonio Betzer: and then uh no? Okay. So it's only uh once double-curved.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yes,
  James Larson: Yeah, 'cause
  Ralph Jackson: three.
  James Larson: um the
  Ralph Jackson: Eight.
  James Larson: layer around it fits around the bubbles on the o on the uh
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: the back
  Antonio Betzer: We're
  James Larson: of
  Antonio Betzer: now in a
  James Larson: the
  Antonio Betzer: problem, 'cause uh we have uh reached eleven Euro
  James Larson: Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: yet.
  James Larson: we don't have anything else. So
  Ralph Jackson: Okay, go on.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  Ralph Jackson: Just
  Antonio Betzer: but
  Ralph Jackson: go on.
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Jesus Goodwin: Just
  Antonio Betzer: we
  Jesus Goodwin: go
  Antonio Betzer: have
  Jesus Goodwin: on. Then we'll see uh we'll we'll see uh wha how much we are over budget.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: Could you step a little to the
  Ralph Jackson: Two.
  James Larson: right ma Yeah. Oh, sorry.
  Ralph Jackson: Two.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh, rubber.
  James Larson: Or
  Antonio Betzer: You.
  Jesus Goodwin: Zero.
  James Larson: And
  Antonio Betzer: Titanium,
  James Larson: zero.
  Antonio Betzer: no?
  James Larson: Special uh is the special
  Antonio Betzer: Special
  James Larson: colour?
  Antonio Betzer: colour?
  James Larson: Mm.
  Jesus Goodwin: I don't think so. No,
  Ralph Jackson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: this is a standard colour.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yes,
  Ralph Jackson: S
  Jesus Goodwin: this is a special
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: colour.
  Antonio Betzer: but we want to make uh the wood colours, uh that uh
  James Larson: Yeah, if if you're honest, we'll uh type one,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, but
  James Larson: special colour.
  Jesus Goodwin: That's
  Ralph Jackson: but
  Jesus Goodwin: an add-on.
  Ralph Jackson: D but Daniel, tha
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: that's
  Antonio Betzer: one.
  Ralph Jackson: that's another brand. That's another article to sell.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, but we we going to yeah yeah, that's true. But yeah, it's it's
  James Larson: Uh,
  Ralph Jackson: That doesn't
  Antonio Betzer: it
  James Larson: j
  Ralph Jackson: account for this.
  James Larson: maybe we'll finish
  Ralph Jackson: Producing
  James Larson: uh the
  Ralph Jackson: this.
  James Larson: the list first and then look back,
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: aye?
  Antonio Betzer: the push-button, no.
  James Larson: No. Scroll wheel, no.
  Antonio Betzer: Scroll-wheel, no.
  James Larson: No.
  Antonio Betzer: No. Oh, no. Yes, one.
  James Larson: One,
  Antonio Betzer: Uh,
  James Larson: yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: button, no.
  Jesus Goodwin: No.
  James Larson: No.
  Antonio Betzer: No, the
  James Larson: Mm,
  Antonio Betzer: the we
  James Larson: is
  Jesus Goodwin: These
  James Larson: it
  Jesus Goodwin: three.
  Antonio Betzer: don't
  James Larson: No.
  Antonio Betzer: have a s
  James Larson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: Well,
  Antonio Betzer: no.
  Jesus Goodwin: we're only four
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: Euro over budget.
  Antonio Betzer: Oh, okay.
  James Larson: So
  Jesus Goodwin: But
  Antonio Betzer: So, um what's the thing we can change?
  James Larson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: Well, other
  James Larson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: case, we can make it single-curved or uncurved.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh,
  James Larson: Mm,
  Antonio Betzer: can I uh I
  James Larson: single-curves.
  Antonio Betzer: say something?
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: No, can
  Ralph Jackson: of
  Antonio Betzer: I
  Ralph Jackson: course.
  Antonio Betzer: say something
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: uh as Project Manager?
  James Larson: Just cut
  Antonio Betzer: The
  James Larson: off
  Antonio Betzer: kinetic
  James Larson: the kine
  Antonio Betzer: thing,
  James Larson: yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: can we just skip it, because
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: Or
  Jesus Goodwin: Okay,
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: sure.
  Antonio Betzer: you have to shake it, but that's not really innovative.
  James Larson: Yeah, we just put a good
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: battery it it. Mobile phones
  Ralph Jackson: Daniel.
  James Larson: nowadays.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Daniel,
  Antonio Betzer: Yo.
  Ralph Jackson: what do you
  Antonio Betzer: Sorry,
  Ralph Jackson: think about
  Antonio Betzer: yeah, yes.
  Ralph Jackson: Here. What do you think about uh putting a battery in it,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: but also selling like uh the covers, a docking station just apart from the from the thing,
  Antonio Betzer: Mm-hmm.
  Ralph Jackson: so that you can uh put uh rechargeable batteries in it
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  Ralph Jackson: and just
  James Larson: But you can use rechargeable batteries anyway, just you s you have to recharge
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, and not
  James Larson: them
  Antonio Betzer: really.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  James Larson: manual.
  Ralph Jackson: yeah, okay.
  Antonio Betzer: But we if you forget
  Ralph Jackson: Just
  Antonio Betzer: about
  Ralph Jackson: an idea.
  Antonio Betzer: the kinetic,
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: that's
  Jesus Goodwin: sure.
  James Larson: a
  Antonio Betzer: well
  James Larson: cost reduc
  Antonio Betzer: if we do that, we shall.
  James Larson: Ah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Okay, well you
  Antonio Betzer: So
  Jesus Goodwin: you can
  Antonio Betzer: um
  Jesus Goodwin: go from double-curved to single-curved.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, of course.
  Jesus Goodwin: And that would solve the budget problem.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh,
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: b
  James Larson: so we have to bake
  Antonio Betzer: but
  James Larson: the ba back
  Antonio Betzer: i
  James Larson: flat,
  Antonio Betzer: but
  James Larson: and then
  Antonio Betzer: the single-curved
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: is just
  Jesus Goodwin: It's
  Antonio Betzer: oh
  Jesus Goodwin: just
  James Larson: No,
  Jesus Goodwin: yeah
  James Larson: it's
  Jesus Goodwin: well, the single-curve
  James Larson: it's just
  Jesus Goodwin: that
  James Larson: one curve and not a back uh curved I think.
  Antonio Betzer: Oh, okay,
  James Larson: Or
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: Exactly, yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: So that's
  James Larson: Or
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: are
  Antonio Betzer: wh tha
  James Larson: these two curves?
  Antonio Betzer: that's
  James Larson: Uh
  Antonio Betzer: one option. And then w yeah, and then we could have it,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: but uh it's its' well it's it's r it is the main point of the the the
  James Larson: Yeah, but what
  Antonio Betzer: the look.
  James Larson: else uh do we have to cut out?
  Jesus Goodwin: We
  James Larson: No
  Jesus Goodwin: going
  James Larson: advanced
  Jesus Goodwin: to cut
  James Larson: chip, uh that's a little bit of problem.
  Antonio Betzer: No, tho uh
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: that that can be done. So
  James Larson: Although,
  Antonio Betzer: uh,
  James Larson: can we make it with a regular
  Antonio Betzer: okay,
  James Larson: chip?
  Antonio Betzer: a little less uh conversation.
  James Larson: Curvy.
  Ralph Jackson: Hey, those ar arcs, why are there for?
  Antonio Betzer: Sorry?
  Ralph Jackson: The blue blue uh
  Antonio Betzer: Fill in Just a
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  James Larson: Explanation.
  Antonio Betzer: explanation.
  James Larson: Twelve fifty.
  Antonio Betzer: I
  James Larson: Well
  Antonio Betzer: can delete it for you if you want.
  Ralph Jackson: No, no no.
  Antonio Betzer: So, if we do this, uh we're on uh twelve and a half Euro. And we're done.
  James Larson: Yeah, but does it fit with our design? Do we have to u adapt
  Antonio Betzer: Uh
  James Larson: it?
  Antonio Betzer: well, the only uh thing that don't
  James Larson: It's single-curves.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, single-curved,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: W
  Antonio Betzer: but there's a curve in it. So
  James Larson: Could we just make the bubbles uh cut off the back, and then we're uh has
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, we just make it flat.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Ralph Jackson: But,
  Jesus Goodwin: But, you
  Ralph Jackson: wha
  Jesus Goodwin: do l
  Ralph Jackson: 'Kay, look, what is the uh If you make it double-curved, it costs one Euro
  James Larson: More.
  Ralph Jackson: more.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: But
  James Larson: You make it optional.
  Ralph Jackson: No, but does it have a lot of extra
  Jesus Goodwin: Function.
  Ralph Jackson: uh
  James Larson: Functional.
  Ralph Jackson: fun function more
  Jesus Goodwin: Worth,
  Ralph Jackson: like
  Jesus Goodwin: does
  James Larson: Uh,
  Jesus Goodwin: it
  James Larson: there's
  Jesus Goodwin: have
  James Larson: an
  Jesus Goodwin: added
  James Larson: a
  Jesus Goodwin: worth?
  James Larson: a athe
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: aesthetic
  Jesus Goodwin: No,
  James Larson: value,
  Jesus Goodwin: um
  James Larson: but not functionality.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, it's really
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: a
  Ralph Jackson: uh
  Antonio Betzer: static
  Ralph Jackson: aesthetic.
  Antonio Betzer: value. Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: I mean, uh you make like eleven and a half Euros profit instead of twelve and a half. But I don't know if twelve and a half is uh a fixed uh fixed price.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, well
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: No, we
  Jesus Goodwin: let's
  Antonio Betzer: it
  Ralph Jackson: can't
  Antonio Betzer: is.
  Jesus Goodwin: assume
  Ralph Jackson: go above
  Jesus Goodwin: it is.
  Ralph Jackson: that. Yeah?
  Antonio Betzer: Oh.
  Jesus Goodwin: We we should assume it i that it is.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: But
  Ralph Jackson: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: I I figured
  Ralph Jackson: Then it's
  Jesus Goodwin: that
  Ralph Jackson: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: the kinetic would be a marketing promotion. R if you uh promote a kinetic um I kinetic remote control, I mean, that would b sell better than an a normal remote control.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah. Do you think?
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, I
  Antonio Betzer: Well,
  Ralph Jackson: think
  Antonio Betzer: now
  Ralph Jackson: so.
  Antonio Betzer: you can shake your remote control.
  Jesus Goodwin: No, well, y I mean uh, y you can go into your neighbour and tell him, ha, my k uh remote control is kinetic.
  Antonio Betzer: Kinetic.
  Jesus Goodwin: You
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: have standard old
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: battery control uh remote
  Ralph Jackson: What
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: con
  Ralph Jackson: a what about all the m the environment freaks? Not freaks,
  James Larson: Yeah, but
  Ralph Jackson: the
  James Larson: it
  Ralph Jackson: envi
  James Larson: doesn't fit in our co cost profile. So
  Ralph Jackson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: True.
  Ralph Jackson: I I think it's it's It look like this one.
  James Larson: You ma can make an
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah?
  James Larson: an especialised extra gold version.
  Antonio Betzer: Who because if you want to go to kinetic, you're uh you're on thirteen and a half and you must go to flat, and I think now it's it's more of uh a compromise
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: thing. And if you make the single curve ha just a big curve, then it's uh then
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: it's uh
  James Larson: just one big
  Antonio Betzer: yeah,
  James Larson: curve.
  Antonio Betzer: one big good curve. I was going to uh say nasty words, but I don't. This is strange by the way. Wood is m is is is cheaper than rubber. We
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: thought that wood would be
  James Larson: Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: more
  James Larson: this
  Antonio Betzer: expensive.
  James Larson: uh American figures. You just cut down some trees.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, maybe. But uh that this is this is it? Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: This is it.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, this
  James Larson: Whoever
  Antonio Betzer: is it.
  James Larson: makes uh a remote
  Antonio Betzer: I'm
  James Larson: control
  Antonio Betzer: gonna save
  James Larson: out of
  Antonio Betzer: it.
  James Larson: titanium.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Yes.
  Jesus Goodwin: It is possible, but you can't use double uh curves for titanium.
  James Larson: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: That's one of the functionability uh
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, well, considering we have
  Ralph Jackson: Ah no, we have to do all those hours again. Go back. One back? Costs on uh No redesign.
  Antonio Betzer: Well, we were above, so
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: we
  James Larson: We sue.
  Antonio Betzer: did a little
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: redesign
  James Larson: We
  Ralph Jackson: okay, yeah.
  James Larson: Yeah, we'll start her all o
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: all over again.
  Antonio Betzer: um now uh it's about time to uh talk about uh this project. Uh, some uh things. Were there uh room for uh was there room for creativity
  James Larson: Um
  Antonio Betzer: in
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  Antonio Betzer: our meetings or in your individual meetings?
  Ralph Jackson: I I didn't think so. That there was a lot of room for it. But, that's mainly because uh of the information that was delivered to us.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: It was just fixed information and get your stuff from there, and I couldn't
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: go on on i on the internet and search
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: my own stuff.
  Antonio Betzer: yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: Bu
  Antonio Betzer: yeah. That's true. I agree with that.
  Jesus Goodwin: Well, I th I think you two, uh especially you and uh and uh Daniel, you d you you both had uh the less creative uh roles
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: in the
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: project.
  Antonio Betzer: That's true.
  James Larson: For
  Jesus Goodwin: 'Cause
  James Larson: us,
  Jesus Goodwin: I
  James Larson: there was
  Jesus Goodwin: think
  James Larson: a lot of
  Jesus Goodwin: m
  James Larson: creativity. We could just sign up an uh remote if we liked.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, that's true.
  Jesus Goodwin: I think Jeroen and I, we had a more design we could have more we had more room for creativity than than
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: you two.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay. Uh how about the leadership?
  James Larson: Uh
  Ralph Jackson: Leadership
  Jesus Goodwin: Ha.
  Ralph Jackson: was uh crappy.
  James Larson: Crappy.
  Jesus Goodwin: Nah,
  James Larson: Cra
  Jesus Goodwin: the leadership wasn't crappy, it was the leader that was crappy.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Nah.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  Jesus Goodwin: No,
  Antonio Betzer: thank you very
  Jesus Goodwin: the
  Antonio Betzer: much.
  Jesus Goodwin: leadership was
  Antonio Betzer: Now
  Jesus Goodwin: okay.
  Antonio Betzer: we're done.
  James Larson: Yeah, example of crappy leadershi
  Ralph Jackson: No, leadership was uh
  James Larson: Okay, yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: Okay,
  Jesus Goodwin: it was good.
  Ralph Jackson: I thought uh the first meeting was a little bit of unstructured meeting.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, that's
  Ralph Jackson: Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: true.
  Ralph Jackson: you could have but uh, it was your first, no uh no disrespect or something, but you could have uh structure it a l little bit more. So
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: like, I I was talking most of the time the first meeting
  James Larson: You could
  Ralph Jackson: meeting,
  James Larson: of said, shut
  Ralph Jackson: and
  James Larson: up you
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: fool.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: But
  Antonio Betzer: I notice it too. I was a I was also very uh unhappy, uh very unsatisfied uh about the
  Ralph Jackson: About Ralph Jackson.
  Antonio Betzer: about the first meeting. So, uh I hope uh uh the the
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: Try to
  Antonio Betzer: the
  Ralph Jackson: you
  Jesus Goodwin: learn
  Ralph Jackson: made
  Antonio Betzer: other
  Jesus Goodwin: from
  Antonio Betzer: meetings
  Ralph Jackson: up.
  Jesus Goodwin: your mistake.
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Jesus Goodwin: And we will never do it again.
  Antonio Betzer: get better and uh I
  Ralph Jackson: No,
  Antonio Betzer: think the
  Ralph Jackson: it
  Antonio Betzer: the last
  Ralph Jackson: you did
  Antonio Betzer: two
  Ralph Jackson: better.
  Antonio Betzer: meetings uh also we we reached uh some good decisions
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: about
  James Larson: more
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: more
  Antonio Betzer: talk
  James Larson: consensus.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: Ev
  Antonio Betzer: yeah.
  James Larson: everybody w was
  Ralph Jackson: Much
  James Larson: agreeing
  Ralph Jackson: more constructive.
  James Larson: every
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: so uh that's cool. Uh, teamwork? Well, maybe that's uh only Yeah well, it's for us,
  James Larson: Well,
  Antonio Betzer: because
  James Larson: we work
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: together on a project, but
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: everybody has his own task.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah
  James Larson: So, it
  Antonio Betzer: and
  James Larson: is
  Antonio Betzer: it's wo
  James Larson: a little
  Antonio Betzer: more
  James Larson: bit
  Antonio Betzer: like presentation and some points were discussed.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: But,
  James Larson: No
  Antonio Betzer: really teamwork were you two uh
  Ralph Jackson: Two
  James Larson: Well,
  Ralph Jackson: guys.
  James Larson: it went okay.
  Antonio Betzer: The
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, that went w it went well. It's
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah?
  Jesus Goodwin: it's just uh
  Antonio Betzer: No
  James Larson: Stupid
  Antonio Betzer: hard feelings.
  James Larson: stupid
  Jesus Goodwin: Nah.
  James Larson: pen, but uh
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, we we had some trouble with the pen, but
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah. Now you you must push a little while.
  James Larson: Yeah, but
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  James Larson: but
  Jesus Goodwin: but us
  James Larson: draw something uh difficult.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: D uh just write your name right now. Try to write your name,
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: in in writing letters, of course, yeah? Yeah, normally, uh this uh the w Block letter sign it, yeah?
  Antonio Betzer: O Just
  James Larson: Just
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: just write your name in
  Antonio Betzer: okay.
  James Larson: in one line. If it's a little bit too small bit quicker now. It
  Antonio Betzer: You
  James Larson: didn't
  Antonio Betzer: can be you can go quicker, 'cause then it it won't notice it.
  James Larson: Uh he he knows how it works, yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: I
  Jesus Goodwin: Oh.
  Antonio Betzer: follow the Master class for the SMARTboard, so I think that's the that's the main issue.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: Um, so uh
  Ralph Jackson: Means.
  Antonio Betzer: about this one you were uh you're dealing with,
  James Larson: Y well, yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: um
  James Larson: Th the
  Antonio Betzer: the the
  James Larson: i
  Antonio Betzer: the the digital pen.
  James Larson: The idea is great, but it
  Antonio Betzer: Okay.
  James Larson: doesn't work properly.
  Ralph Jackson: Digital
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Uh
  Ralph Jackson: pen, I thought uh th the first time I did individual work, I used it.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: But, a and the first two meetings I brought it with Ralph Jackson, but I didn't use it at all
  Antonio Betzer: No.
  Ralph Jackson: after the first
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: No, I
  Ralph Jackson: the first
  Jesus Goodwin: have it
  Ralph Jackson: meeting.
  Jesus Goodwin: working. But, uh yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: It's
  Jesus Goodwin: well
  Ralph Jackson: it's not
  Jesus Goodwin: uh
  Ralph Jackson: real real use for
  Jesus Goodwin: No,
  Ralph Jackson: Ralph Jackson.
  Jesus Goodwin: it doesn't have
  Antonio Betzer: Huh.
  Jesus Goodwin: that much added value to
  James Larson: Nee.
  Jesus Goodwin: the
  Antonio Betzer: Well
  James Larson: As uh as I said a m a c few moments ago, it I would like, myself, to write with a normal pen, because must um Yeah, it's almost the same concept, but
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: you can just sim more simply put it on our scanner. I it's the same concept
  Antonio Betzer: M yeah.
  James Larson: as the pen, where you f have to download the software or s uh very uh
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: slow.
  Antonio Betzer: And it is still your own handwriting
  James Larson: Yes.
  Antonio Betzer: uh popping
  James Larson: No,
  Antonio Betzer: up
  James Larson: and
  Antonio Betzer: in
  James Larson: it
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: doesn't
  Antonio Betzer: Word.
  James Larson: give any added value.
  Antonio Betzer: No,
  Ralph Jackson: Not
  Antonio Betzer: uh that's
  Ralph Jackson: really,
  Antonio Betzer: true.
  Ralph Jackson: no.
  Antonio Betzer: No. And uh the SMARTboard is uh useful, but the the pen is I uh not user-friendly, I
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: think.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  James Larson: not user-friendly.
  Antonio Betzer: Be it it takes a lot of time to draw things
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: and to
  James Larson: and
  Antonio Betzer: write
  James Larson: it's
  Antonio Betzer: things,
  James Larson: it's not
  Antonio Betzer: and that's
  James Larson: very precise.
  Antonio Betzer: the
  James Larson: We're
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  James Larson: trying to m to
  Ralph Jackson: like when you do this.
  James Larson: Yeah, it may um Yeah, and tr try to wri write your name uh in a in a normal uh size, yeah. Smaller.
  Ralph Jackson: Smaller?
  James Larson: Yeah, smaller. Just like when you're writing on a letter.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, but that's not th the the you when you at a foreign audience, you b don't gonna wr uh write
  James Larson: No,
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: a as you
  Antonio Betzer: small.
  James Larson: saw on on this drawing, just open open this one or that one. It's uh th it it Yeah, uh we had more problems even here when we trying to draw these buttons, it's almost impossible to get
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: clear uh when you're uh
  Ralph Jackson: Oh. Sorry.
  Antonio Betzer: But maybe there's some function with no, it isn't. With uh
  James Larson: And the eraser was another problem. It w t is is this large. And when you try to erase this line,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: y
  Antonio Betzer: Well, I'm gonna erase my uh name.
  James Larson: I'm gonna erase my name there.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, it's a big uh big
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: eraser.
  Ralph Jackson: New ideas?
  James Larson: M
  Antonio Betzer: Um
  James Larson: Abo What kind of new ideas?
  Antonio Betzer: Well, the the idea of the touch-screen is uh
  James Larson: Yeah, uh
  Ralph Jackson: Do you? Go on.
  Antonio Betzer: I'm just uh
  James Larson: New ideas about uh the working of this software, about about
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: the project, about
  Ralph Jackson: Mm, yeah,
  James Larson: the
  Ralph Jackson: I think
  James Larson: remote
  Ralph Jackson: so.
  James Larson: controls or
  Antonio Betzer: I don't know what what I mean.
  James Larson: Hello.
  Ralph Jackson: Did you heard what he said? I don't
  Antonio Betzer: No.
  Jesus Goodwin: Know what
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Jesus Goodwin: I
  Ralph Jackson: don't
  Jesus Goodwin: mean.
  Ralph Jackson: know what I mean. Oh, I have some figure. Here. The
  Antonio Betzer: Oh.
  Ralph Jackson: eva the evaluation,
  Antonio Betzer: Oh yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: the mm the mean uh number is uh one point eight one point eight six.
  Antonio Betzer: That's interesting.
  Ralph Jackson: So that's fairly uh fairly good, I think.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: because what does it mean?
  James Larson: So true.
  Ralph Jackson: Uh, that uh
  Antonio Betzer: All
  Ralph Jackson: all
  Antonio Betzer: the
  Ralph Jackson: the
  Antonio Betzer: mo
  Ralph Jackson: requirements
  Antonio Betzer: yeah, are
  Ralph Jackson: uh are
  Antonio Betzer: between
  Ralph Jackson: true
  Antonio Betzer: one and two.
  Ralph Jackson: or very
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: true,
  Antonio Betzer: Oh, okay.
  Ralph Jackson: right. Yep.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, okay. Thank you, expert. But the new ideas found for uh wi with working with this uh software?
  James Larson: Not really,
  Antonio Betzer: Not
  James Larson: just
  Antonio Betzer: really, yeah?
  James Larson: they have to improve it. Uh, the concept is okay,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, I think
  James Larson: but it has to be quicker. Uh, it is still opening my programme, n almo almost uh my entire computer is locked up during
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: the process and it, yeah, just takes too many time. People will still feel the need to to write it quickly on uh a page
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: and not download it and save it, and
  Antonio Betzer: You had expected it to to be uh more more uh
  James Larson: More user-friendly.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: 'Cause when you use a pen, you can just
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: draw like you d
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: draw normally, and
  Ralph Jackson: May maybe
  James Larson: you do
  Ralph Jackson: the idea you proposed is uh a screen here.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: And draw it, and
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: it's it's
  James Larson: Yeah, that l
  Ralph Jackson: placed over there.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: Would be easier. Or at least when you you don't have to adapt to the technology, just you can write in the way you normally write.
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm? No.
  James Larson: And now you have to um keep constantly in mind that you're drawing on this screen. And that's
  Antonio Betzer: Yep,
  James Larson: a very bad concept.
  Antonio Betzer: yep. Yeah, that's
  Ralph Jackson: Ah,
  Antonio Betzer: true.
  Ralph Jackson: very bad.
  James Larson: Nah,
  Ralph Jackson: But
  James Larson: okay, I I it's my
  Ralph Jackson: I
  James Larson: opinion
  Ralph Jackson: think
  James Larson: that
  Ralph Jackson: this
  James Larson: I
  Ralph Jackson: is better than regular flip-overs, but
  James Larson: Yeah, it's can be saved easier.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: But if you're in normal flip-over you a lot of people write text. There's
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: no text option. And writing text uh, yeah, you've gotta really do your best to write
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, and
  James Larson: some
  Antonio Betzer: and maybe some uh functions for uh uh uh circle or uh a square.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: You have to draw it yourself now.
  James Larson: Or maybe even
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  James Larson: insert picture. If you have uh some presentation,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Or
  James Larson: and you have
  Jesus Goodwin: text
  James Larson: some
  Jesus Goodwin: function.
  James Larson: f
  Jesus Goodwin: Just t t type text, and that
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: that would be uh excellent. Mean
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, but insert image isn't available?
  James Larson: 'Cause then you
  Ralph Jackson: Here.
  James Larson: could
  Ralph Jackson: Picture from scanner, clip-art.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: Oh,
  Antonio Betzer: that
  James Larson: okay.
  Antonio Betzer: that can be done already. But
  James Larson: So
  Antonio Betzer: not
  James Larson: you can
  Antonio Betzer: the the the
  Ralph Jackson: Hyperlink?
  Antonio Betzer: the predefined uh squares I think uh
  Ralph Jackson: Hey, what if you do like hyperlink?
  James Larson: With uh
  Ralph Jackson: Type
  James Larson: W_W_
  Ralph Jackson: type it?
  James Larson: dot Google dot com. Oh
  Ralph Jackson: Re
  James Larson: yeah. Maybe.
  Ralph Jackson: Real Reaction dot N_L_.
  Antonio Betzer: Hmm?
  Ralph Jackson: Yes,
  Antonio Betzer: Sorry?
  Ralph Jackson: is now is okay. Okay?
  James Larson: You'll just make a link in
  Ralph Jackson: Huh.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Well, that's nice.
  James Larson: There's one way to uh
  Antonio Betzer: Is it
  Ralph Jackson: 'Kay, double-click it.
  James Larson: Maybe if if you're not using the eraser
  Antonio Betzer: Here. oh.
  Ralph Jackson: You're erasing.
  Antonio Betzer: Oh, sorry.
  James Larson: Something else th Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: Select.
  James Larson: arrow.
  Ralph Jackson: Double-click
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: it.
  Antonio Betzer: Here, that.
  James Larson: Okay. Well,
  Antonio Betzer: So
  James Larson: it's
  Antonio Betzer: you have as you saw, you have a little uh Oh, you can Yeah, thank you. You can go uh
  James Larson: Yeah, okay.
  Antonio Betzer: there. So there the the the functionality is there, but it's
  James Larson: But.
  Antonio Betzer: not it's not ideal, and it's it's very it costs a lot of time to uh
  James Larson: To use, yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: to use.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: And that's a pity, if you uh if you have uh thirty, forty minutes uh
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: for this kind of things,
  James Larson: And
  Antonio Betzer: and we
  James Larson: that's
  Antonio Betzer: are now
  James Larson: m
  Antonio Betzer: with four people, but it well, imagine you are here you're with the ten people and everyone
  James Larson: That's mostly
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: the case, from the over here with the managements you get two minutes to make your case, and if you
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: have to do all
  Antonio Betzer: Two minutes
  James Larson: this kind
  Antonio Betzer: of drawing, yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Yep.
  James Larson: You'll rather use PowerPoint and work it out in advance.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: And th the one or two things you have to draw when you're
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  James Larson: there, just use a flip-board.
  Ralph Jackson: What I really miss also is uh is a d is a turtle is a decision uh decision system like um With the evaluation, you have to Polls like, what do you want, a one, a two,
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: maybe a
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: a l a little application like uh uh give your own number and click one two three four five six seven.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, just like he said with the with the a screen which you can write, also uh a
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: kind of
  Ralph Jackson: j
  Antonio Betzer: voting
  Ralph Jackson: ju
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Ralph Jackson: ju
  Antonio Betzer: mechanism.
  Ralph Jackson: yeah, v voting
  Jesus Goodwin: Oh.
  Ralph Jackson: application. Just
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: a little group group decision application.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: But uh, problem is, well you can't discuss anything well you you ca uh you can, but you will discuss a lot less than l like we did now.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: We I mean uh w w w one one person s maybe said three. But, well uh I we said uh, no I w th think two, because this and this, and then you can react uh on it. But
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: if you
  Ralph Jackson: okay.
  Jesus Goodwin: you put a three on it, uh just figure well, everybody knows what I'm knowing, so they'll all just put a two on.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, of course. But, uh you can still discuss about it,
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah, but
  Ralph Jackson: but
  Jesus Goodwin: it would yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: but click it in an application, that's a lot easier to process.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah okay, the for processing
  Ralph Jackson: The digit.
  Jesus Goodwin: part.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: But then uh, I think the idea of one person entering it and the rest uh discussing it, that uh isn't that bad idea, actually.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Jesus Goodwin: Not that your opinion isn't valued, but but still.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: Okay, so
  James Larson: Yo, manager.
  Ralph Jackson: That's it?
  Antonio Betzer: Uh
  James Larson: When
  Antonio Betzer: well,
  James Larson: are w
  Antonio Betzer: just about, because uh
  James Larson: When are we going to produce it?
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, tomorrow?
  Ralph Jackson: Celebration.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh, the costs are within the budget. Uh,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: the project is evaluated.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: But, before we going to celebrate, uh I have uh a little question which you can't answer, because uh there must be some kind of end report. I am busy with the end report right now. You might thinking what the hell was he doing
  Ralph Jackson: What
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  Ralph Jackson: is an end report?
  Antonio Betzer: Uh about all the meetings, what we have decided,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: a r r a report of this day.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh, that must be made, but I don't know, here is uh standing uh whoa, we can celebrate now, but the
  Ralph Jackson: Oh,
  Antonio Betzer: end report
  Ralph Jackson: you ha you
  Antonio Betzer: is
  Ralph Jackson: have ten minutes left, I uh read.
  James Larson: Oh.
  Ralph Jackson: You have now ten minutes left to finish up the end
  Antonio Betzer: Okay
  Ralph Jackson: report.
  Antonio Betzer: well, that uh that can be done. Maybe we can do it uh together. You can see what I've uh
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: yeah? So
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: I
  Jesus Goodwin: sure.
  Antonio Betzer: I s I will uh put it on a story-board. You can see it.
  Ralph Jackson: Um
  Antonio Betzer: Because I think it will uh it must be uh
  Ralph Jackson: You you already made a beta version, or
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, it's a three uh with seventy five uh
  Ralph Jackson: Pages.
  Jesus Goodwin: Y yikes.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Jesus Goodwin: Seventy five pages.
  Antonio Betzer: just about. Well, just a moment. End report.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay, Daniel. Do you want a chair maybe?
  James Larson: A chairman.
  Ralph Jackson: Hey?
  Antonio Betzer: No no no, I'm just uh
  Ralph Jackson: Oh, okay.
  Antonio Betzer: you can s you can read it and uh here here it is. End
  Jesus Goodwin: So you
  Antonio Betzer: report.
  Jesus Goodwin: you finished it actually, and so we just have to read it and say yes or no?
  James Larson: Yes.
  Antonio Betzer: Well, this not nit it read-only. But it's not uh fully
  Ralph Jackson: Five minutes
  Antonio Betzer: finished yet.
  Ralph Jackson: for finishing.
  Antonio Betzer: Um, this is about the functional design, the
  Ralph Jackson: Management
  Antonio Betzer: things
  Ralph Jackson: Expert, you have
  Antonio Betzer: yeah yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: to change that.
  Antonio Betzer: Oh yeah. I'm uh
  Ralph Jackson: Marketing.
  Antonio Betzer: when I said it, I remember I
  James Larson: It's
  Antonio Betzer: had
  James Larson: a
  Antonio Betzer: it
  James Larson: read-only
  Antonio Betzer: here.
  James Larson: version.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, but you can save it u the under another name.
  James Larson: Oh, okay.
  Antonio Betzer: Marketing Expert, okay. Um about the three functions where uh which are most used and uh which must uh immediately be visible on our uh remote control. Um, it must be uh simple to use, very clear what to do, and at the younger people. So, this is really about wh uh what kind things uh must be in it and uh yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: Maybe um the
  James Larson: Uh
  Ralph Jackson: The
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, I understand you, I
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: can talk a little bit Dutch.
  Ralph Jackson: You Yeah. No, you have to put uh, switch channels uh at the top, because that's the most
  Antonio Betzer: Oka
  Ralph Jackson: used function
  Antonio Betzer: okay,
  Ralph Jackson: and
  Antonio Betzer: okay, I
  Ralph Jackson: teletext at the second
  Antonio Betzer: I really didn't
  Ralph Jackson: Oh
  Antonio Betzer: knew
  Ralph Jackson: nay, a
  Antonio Betzer: that.
  Ralph Jackson: volume changing, second.
  Antonio Betzer: So, this one's
  Ralph Jackson: S
  Antonio Betzer: first.
  Ralph Jackson: switch, yes.
  Antonio Betzer: You go there and you go there.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: So, okay.
  Ralph Jackson: Okay, go on.
  Antonio Betzer: Well, maybe I can then do it one two three.
  Ralph Jackson: Yes,
  James Larson: One
  Ralph Jackson: very good.
  James Larson: two three.
  Antonio Betzer: If the order is in uh is
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: is uh important,
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: that's the word for.
  Ralph Jackson: The order.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh, then the conceptual design. Uh, well all the things we have uh discussed, uh the energy, which uh turn out to be uh batteries, so that's
  James Larson: Yeah. Well, okay, maybe you can add it later
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  James Larson: that we decided
  Antonio Betzer: because
  James Larson: in the end
  Antonio Betzer: yeah.
  James Larson: because of the cost.
  Antonio Betzer: Uh, he here it is still double-curve,
  Ralph Jackson: Single-curves.
  Antonio Betzer: the rubber, the flashy, the fruity, the removable. Uh,
  Jesus Goodwin: It's
  Antonio Betzer: the
  Jesus Goodwin: not
  Antonio Betzer: buttons
  Jesus Goodwin: double. Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: Hmm?
  Jesus Goodwin: it's
  James Larson: A single-curved.
  Jesus Goodwin: not double anymore, eh?
  Antonio Betzer: Not
  Ralph Jackson: No, okay.
  Antonio Betzer: double anymore. Nay but that this is what um
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: Was
  Jesus Goodwin: okay.
  Ralph Jackson: initial, the
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: plan.
  Jesus Goodwin: Yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: The initial plan.
  Antonio Betzer: And the the added functions like Tetris snake, it's under the parental control, the touch-screen.
  Jesus Goodwin: On
  Antonio Betzer: So,
  Jesus Goodwin: thing
  Antonio Betzer: it's
  Jesus Goodwin: uh
  Antonio Betzer: uh just a summary of what uh we had discussed uh
  Jesus Goodwin: One small thing uh, the added functions. Uh, was it included in the cost? I don't think so, eh?
  James Larson: Ah, it's very cheap.
  Jesus Goodwin: It's
  Antonio Betzer: Uh,
  Jesus Goodwin: very
  Antonio Betzer: it's
  Jesus Goodwin: cheap.
  Antonio Betzer: very cheap, you you maybe you you you you come at uh
  Ralph Jackson: No, it's it's not very cheap, but
  Antonio Betzer: It's very
  Ralph Jackson: that
  Antonio Betzer: necessary.
  Ralph Jackson: no, but it's a development inside corporation. Like, uh w we don't have to buy parental control. Our own people can
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah,
  Ralph Jackson: make
  Antonio Betzer: but
  Ralph Jackson: that,
  Antonio Betzer: it
  Ralph Jackson: I
  Antonio Betzer: still
  Ralph Jackson: think.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: has
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: some
  Ralph Jackson: it it has some
  Antonio Betzer: yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: cost, but
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: He'll
  Antonio Betzer: but
  James Larson: do
  Antonio Betzer: so
  James Larson: it
  Antonio Betzer: we
  James Larson: in
  Antonio Betzer: can
  James Larson: his free
  Antonio Betzer: discuss
  James Larson: time.
  Antonio Betzer: that
  James Larson: So
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: uh
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: we can discuss that kind of things I think with the with the the board of uh
  James Larson: Of directur or directors.
  Antonio Betzer: What's it what's the company called? I just keep forgetting it.
  Ralph Jackson: Real
  Antonio Betzer: Real
  Ralph Jackson: Reaction.
  Antonio Betzer: Real Reaction.
  James Larson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: Real Reaction, yeah.
  James Larson: You can ask
  Antonio Betzer: Okay,
  James Larson: your personal
  Antonio Betzer: so uh anybody uh misses something here about
  James Larson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: uh
  James Larson: the end conclusion. But uh
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, okay, that's that's what
  Ralph Jackson: Okay.
  Antonio Betzer: I'm gonna write b
  Ralph Jackson: Still the end
  Antonio Betzer: between
  Ralph Jackson: conclusion.
  Antonio Betzer: now.
  Ralph Jackson: That's
  Antonio Betzer: But,
  Ralph Jackson: all, I think.
  Antonio Betzer: i in here nothing uh
  James Larson: Um, the decision to make um the buttons on the top, and the menu on the
  Antonio Betzer: Mm-hmm.
  James Larson: on the bottom. And
  Antonio Betzer: Yes.
  James Larson: clearly Yeah, touch-screen you've mentioned.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, touch-screen I've
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah,
  Antonio Betzer: mentioned.
  Ralph Jackson: but but the the decisions are put in the uh conclusion, I think.
  James Larson: Okay.
  Ralph Jackson: Why we decided to
  James Larson: Okay,
  Ralph Jackson: use
  James Larson: this
  Ralph Jackson: a flat
  James Larson: n
  Ralph Jackson: uh
  James Larson: yeah.
  Ralph Jackson: L_C_D_.
  Antonio Betzer: Yeah, okay, well I gonna redesign uh something now.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah.
  Antonio Betzer: No.
  Ralph Jackson: Um
  James Larson: Party party.
  Antonio Betzer: Because I think it will Oh, five minutes from to
  James Larson: Oh,
  Antonio Betzer: finish meeting.
  James Larson: before you change anything maybe you um save
  Ralph Jackson: Save
  James Larson: it first.
  Ralph Jackson: it.
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm.
  James Larson: You can't you can select file and export and then those J_ PEG files.
  Ralph Jackson: Yeah, but then you had the same thing.
  James Larson: Well, eight. And we have uh, another blank one.
  Ralph Jackson: Example of children
  James Larson: Did we change
  Ralph Jackson: remote.
  James Larson: anything?
  Ralph Jackson: Oh wait. Wait.
  James Larson: Wow. Yeah. It's a new uh commercial logo.
  Ralph Jackson: Hmm. That's a pity.
  James Larson: Don't save it, aye?
  Antonio Betzer: Oh, that's cool, Tim.
  James Larson: Uh,
  Antonio Betzer: Finish meeting now. Well,
  James Larson: why are
  Antonio Betzer: I'm
  James Larson: only
  Antonio Betzer: I'm
  James Larson: the first five SMARTboard files
  Antonio Betzer: I'm going to finish my
  James Larson: saved?
  Antonio Betzer: end report.
  Jesus Goodwin: Okay, um hereby is the meeting is finished.
  Ralph Jackson: You declare.
  Antonio Betzer: I am the one who can say that. Yeah? Hereby the meeting is finished. Yeah.
Updated Content: Antonio Betzer opened the meeting and went over the agenda. James Larson and Jesus Goodwin presented their prototype design, describing the shape and layout of the remote. The group discussed colour options and decided to make the standard remote in fruity colours, but with the option of buying different exchangeable covers which might appeal more to older buyers. Ralph Jackson led the prototype evaluation and the group were happy with their product. The group calculated the production costs. The group were 4 euros over budget, so they decided to make the case single-curved and not to use kinetic energy. Antonio Betzer led the evaluation of the project process. The group felt that only Jesus Goodwin and James Larson were able to be creative and work as a team. It was felt that the first meeting was disorganised because of poor leadership but the leadership improved in the later meetings. The group were also had problems with the digital pens. The group helped Antonio Betzer fill in the final report before the close of the meeting.