Extracted Content: Terry Sanders: Hello. Yes, I made it. English from on. Drawing or
  Jack Davis: Yeah just testing.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Mm?
  Leo Morace: Just
  Jack Davis: English.
  Leo Morace: kidding. So annoying.
  Jack Davis: Break is over.
  Terry Sanders: Ooh it works.
  Jack Davis: Whoo. Spicy.
  Terry Sanders: Spicy. Where are are all the other presentations?
  Leo Morace: I just put it in the in the shared folder so
  Terry Sanders: The
  Leo Morace: it should
  Terry Sanders: conceptual
  Leo Morace: be
  Terry Sanders: or
  Leo Morace: yeah I think so. Yeah, conceptual design.
  Terry Sanders: Ah.
  Leo Morace: What or whatever
  Terry Sanders: Because
  Leo Morace: does it
  Terry Sanders: I see only my own presentation
  Leo Morace: No no no, can you go back one?
  Terry Sanders: yeah.
  Leo Morace: Uh 'cause it has to be PowerPoint pre yeah
  Terry Sanders: This?
  Leo Morace: components design, that's it.
  Terry Sanders: I'll just put it
  Jack Davis: So,
  Terry Sanders: in there.
  Jack Davis: he's coming.
  Leo Morace: I did
  Terry Sanders: Or not.
  Leo Morace: get a bit more done than the
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Leo Morace: last time,
  Jack Davis: Oh
  Leo Morace: 'cause
  Jack Davis: okay.
  Leo Morace: I knew that I didn't have time so I just copy and paste everything into
  Terry Sanders: Ah,
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  Terry Sanders: I can't
  Jack Davis: Ah.
  Terry Sanders: cut and paste it into
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  Terry Sanders: the
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  Terry Sanders: other
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  Terry Sanders: folder
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  Jack Davis: at the final report, 'cause I have to record everything we are deciding and such, so
  Terry Sanders: Move to
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  Terry Sanders: meeting
  Jack Davis: trying
  Terry Sanders: room.
  Jack Davis: to write it down between everything else.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Sometimes I have these pop-ups or these sounds and there's nothing there,
  Jack Davis: Oh.
  Leo Morace: and
  Terry Sanders: Yeah Terry Sanders too,
  Leo Morace: also with I don't know how to use PowerPoint, so it takes Terry Sanders forever to get something done with
  Jackie Neely: I
  Leo Morace: it.
  Jackie Neely: I've got the same problem as well.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Yeah. Here we go again. Welcome.
  Leo Morace: Thi
  Jack Davis: we have again three presentations and then we have to decide on what concepts the phone has to f the remote control has to support. So
  Leo Morace: Mm-hmm.
  Jack Davis: who wants go.
  Terry Sanders: Yes.
  Leo Morace: Who
  Jack Davis: Yes?
  Leo Morace: wants to start?
  Terry Sanders: Terry Sanders first or
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: Oh.
  Jack Davis: sure.
  Jackie Neely: No.
  Jack Davis: Doesn't matter.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: yeah.
  Jackie Neely: No problem
  Terry Sanders: Alright. Did you open it already or
  Jack Davis: No.
  Terry Sanders: no. Ah. Ah. Yes.
  Terry Sanders: So welcome to the marketing presentation once again. Um this time about trendwatching. Uh well there has been inv investigation again, in the in the remote control market. Uh it shows a number of developments. Uh I will address them uh in a moment. Um fashion watch watchers uh have detected the trends for young public, because that's our public. Um well fruit and vegetables will be will be the most important theme for clothing, uh shoes and furniture. And the feel of the material is expected to be spongey. So um the developments I will address them oh yeah well this is the fruit and vegetables looks of fresh bright colours. So to give you an idea. Um well the developments? Uh development one. Uh well most important aspect for remote control happens to be a fancy look-and-feel. Instead of the current uh functional look-and-feel. Um well fancy stands for an original look-and-feel of the case and the interface. And the second most important aspect is that a remote control should be technological uh innovative. Um well it stands for the use of technical features that do not exist in current remote controls. I think we pretty much covered that with our screen and um
  Leo Morace: Sound.
  Terry Sanders: and speech recognition, so
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: I
  Leo Morace: yeah
  Terry Sanders: don't
  Leo Morace: uh uh.
  Terry Sanders: expect that to be a problem. And the third development um is that the remote control should be easy to use. Um Well the first aspect uh was twice as important as the second aspect,w which was twice as important as the third aspect. So
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Terry Sanders: um that kind of gets you this ratios. So fancy look-and-feel uh is the most important uh point of attention. Uh so the fruits and vegetables in combination with the spongey material. Um well technolog technological innovation, we've covered that pretty much I guess. Um and easy to use, I don't think that will be problem. So my point of attention is especially this part. That this
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: will be a crux. So that was the marketing uh presentation. I had only one document left.
  Leo Morace: And shall I go first?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: So
  Jackie Neely: No. I
  Leo Morace: I
  Jackie Neely: I don't mi I don't mind. That's
  Terry Sanders: So kind of this
  Leo Morace: Yeah?
  Jackie Neely: Do you want to go first? Okay.
  Jack Davis: Yeah yeah sure.
  Terry Sanders: So
  Jack Davis: No.
  Terry Sanders: a k
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: a small example. Kind of this this look. Uh nothing about the buttons but just
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: sponge kind of thing, and and some fruit and colours I dunno. Just made a quick design.
  Jack Davis: Cool.
  Jackie Neely: It's better
  Terry Sanders: Alright.
  Jackie Neely: than than
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Jackie Neely: my uh drawing.
  Jack Davis: Yeah you're just the user interface hmm?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Leo Morace: Uh
  Jackie Neely: okay but I
  Leo Morace: components.
  Jackie Neely: have to design the
  Jack Davis: Yeah layout.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Oh no.
  Jack Davis: Yeah okay.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. It's okay.
  Jack Davis: You probably opened it.
  Leo Morace: Yeah true. Um
  Jack Davis: F_ five.
  Terry Sanders: F_ five.
  Leo Morace: Alright. So I'm dealing with the components design. Um let's see. I uh used some design examples we had uh from similar products. And I used uh possibilities from our manufacturing department about current components which will have to be implemented in the design. That's why I had to, wanted to go first. Well they gave Terry Sanders um an idea about what people want. We're f mainly focusing on this group, but I want to make the distinction clear. Uh I could not drag the pictures into the the slides so s so I don't have examples of how it looks like. But it comes down to what you uh what you think we should do with the spongey and the fruity looking uh type. If you, the young dynamic people want soft primary colours uh, which looks like fruits you know, you can and shapes that are curved and not uh solid straight lines anymore. So this basically um yeah goes on to what you were mentioning earlier. There is a lot of um factors involved in choosing the components. There's a lot of options that we have to discuss. Uh for example the energy source. we have four types. The basic battery. Uh we have a hand dynamo, which we yeah we Dutch refer
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: to it as the kneipgatt. Uh the kinetic provision of energy which means if you move the thing, if you shake it. Which will be fun for toddlers right, if they wanna
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: use the And uh of course solar cells. But I dunno how we would use that into the
  Terry Sanders: Wi
  Leo Morace: design of the actual product. So
  Terry Sanders: an indoors.
  Leo Morace: uh
  Terry Sanders: Oh.
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Leo Morace: my
  Jack Davis: okay.
  Leo Morace: yeah
  Jack Davis: Calculator's
  Leo Morace: also
  Jack Davis: can do it.
  Leo Morace: also in you know countries where there's n isn't much light like in Scandinavia, they wouldn't be y able to use it half
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: of the year you know. So
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: that's
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: not cool either. So um for the uh a case, there's uh the traditional uncurved flat hard case. Single curved, which means that it has uh curves in one dimension. Or the double curved. Um I wasn't able to finish my uh personal preferences sheet, but well you know that we will have to go for the double curved 'cause it's daring and different from what we have now.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Uh the case materials. Well we have all kinds of hard uh materials like the the hard plastic, the wood and the titanium. I would definitely go for rubber 'cause it fits most in what people wanna see nowadays.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Um poo, this is a lot of text. I wasn't able to organise this yet. We have yeah several uh interface designs. Uh we can use a scroll buttons for the menus, but we already kind of decided to go for
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: the
  Jackie Neely: Pushbuttons.
  Leo Morace: f for the pushbuttons,
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: for the the arrow buttons. So that's
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: not really interesting. Electronics? Yeah, maybe we wanna decide on what electronics to use the advanced chip I think is easiest to implement uh for the production, 'cause they they can print it better. Um Yeah. I think this is about it. Yeah I was working on some per personal preferences. I first uh chose for the battery, 'cause yeah I'm traditional and that's the most obvious, easiest choice to go to. But I really think that we should maybe uh think about the kinetic energy, where
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: you have to move the thing to
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: be able to
  Jackie Neely: As
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: use
  Jackie Neely: an optional
  Leo Morace: it.
  Jackie Neely: uh feature. Or combine uh both with with one uh
  Terry Sanders: I
  Jack Davis: Uh
  Terry Sanders: guess
  Jack Davis: I
  Terry Sanders: we
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: can
  Jack Davis: think
  Terry Sanders: only
  Leo Morace: maybe
  Jack Davis: you
  Terry Sanders: choose
  Leo Morace: we
  Jack Davis: can only
  Terry Sanders: one.
  Jack Davis: fit one uh source of energy
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: on the
  Leo Morace: I can imagine that the kinetic uh type energy source would be more expensive to make. But it is more longlasting, that the people don't have to ever buy batteries again.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: And it's more fun.
  Jack Davis: I
  Leo Morace: And
  Jack Davis: didn't
  Leo Morace: it's also
  Jack Davis: receive
  Leo Morace: more fun
  Jack Davis: any
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Jack Davis: info
  Leo Morace: I always chuck
  Jack Davis: uh.
  Leo Morace: my uh remote control
  Terry Sanders: Yeah,
  Leo Morace: around, so
  Terry Sanders: just
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: playing with it and especially when the material's rubber. It can
  Jack Davis: S
  Terry Sanders: be done, I mean,
  Jack Davis: yeah it's
  Terry Sanders: you can't
  Jack Davis: safe.
  Terry Sanders: harm
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: it,
  Leo Morace: y
  Terry Sanders: so it's a
  Jackie Neely: And
  Terry Sanders: perfect
  Jackie Neely: throw
  Leo Morace: exactly.
  Jackie Neely: it.
  Terry Sanders: combination
  Leo Morace: You
  Terry Sanders: I
  Leo Morace: don't
  Terry Sanders: guess.
  Leo Morace: have to be scared about bouncing it off the g floor and breaking it or whatever.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Leo Morace: So that's the end of it.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: So
  Leo Morace: Uh
  Jack Davis: 'Kay next.
  Leo Morace: go ahead.
  Terry Sanders: So double curved is like this, this, this, or
  Leo Morace: No it means curved in two dimensions. So uh w single curved? Uh let's say would be a b square box,
  Terry Sanders: Mm.
  Leo Morace: but then with curves on one dimension.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: And double curved would means that it would have curves
  Terry Sanders: Also in
  Leo Morace: curves
  Terry Sanders: in
  Jack Davis: Uh
  Terry Sanders: height?
  Leo Morace: in every direction.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Leo Morace: Like
  Terry Sanders: okay.
  Leo Morace: three
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Leo Morace: D_.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Can we uh
  Jackie Neely: One
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: one uh very important thing I was uh yeah thinking about is the speech uh option. We were going to use that.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah. So um Yeah um yeah that's one thing uh which I'm not sure uh of how to implement it uh into the
  Leo Morace: Design?
  Jack Davis: Well
  Jackie Neely: remote control.
  Jack Davis: the visual representation is not
  Jackie Neely: No okay
  Jack Davis: there with
  Jackie Neely: but
  Jack Davis: speech
  Jackie Neely: it
  Jack Davis: but
  Jackie Neely: has
  Jack Davis: you
  Jackie Neely: to be
  Jack Davis: can
  Jackie Neely: combined with with the menu uh for functions and
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: So
  Jack Davis: Just
  Jackie Neely: okay.
  Jack Davis: yeah. I think you can just uh match the speech commands with the functions
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: that are already present.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: So
  Terry Sanders: Yeah with
  Jack Davis: I don't
  Terry Sanders: the programme.
  Jack Davis: think you have to design anything
  Jackie Neely: But do uh j do
  Jack Davis: else
  Jackie Neely: we
  Jack Davis: for that.
  Jackie Neely: uh do the speech just for the basic options, for the simple buttons?
  Jack Davis: Both.
  Jackie Neely: For for everything, also for
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: the advanced options? Okay. Uh we have this very uh basic uh trendy design. Everybody says it so that's what's uh yeah um Yeah in the in the last uh meeting we uh we were yeah putting the the simple and the advanced options separated. That's yeah obvious. Um yeah. Pressing the the menu option uh will disable uh all other options on your uh remote control. And only the the L_C_D_ panel will uh light up and then you can only uh change the yeah
  Terry Sanders: And
  Jackie Neely: the options.
  Terry Sanders: and the and the buttons that you need to
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: control
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: it, I guess.
  Jackie Neely: Um yeah design has to be very attractive but that's your your op your yeah. you have to uh delete this but this
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: is the the the simple uh layout. Uh display on the upper side with the the menu button and maybe a some sort of cancel button or save button.
  Jack Davis: That
  Jackie Neely: I'm
  Jack Davis: would be the back.
  Jackie Neely: The
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: back.
  Jack Davis: Back and okay.
  Terry Sanders: Back
  Jackie Neely: Back
  Terry Sanders: and okay.
  Jackie Neely: and okay yeah. Uh
  Jack Davis: You did read the minutes I wrote?
  Jackie Neely: What?
  Jack Davis: You did read the minutes I wrote?
  Jackie Neely: A little
  Leo Morace: I
  Jackie Neely: bit I think but not not
  Jack Davis: Oh okay
  Jackie Neely: everything w
  Jack Davis: 'cause I pretty much summed up all the buttons there
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: were. So
  Jackie Neely: Oh I uh didn't read that.
  Jack Davis: I hate
  Jackie Neely: But
  Jack Davis: doing work for nothing.
  Jackie Neely: But this is the the basic uh design uh for the for the m yeah for the buttons. Um I wanted to to categorise everything. Uh with a speech display uh yeah, sound, everything you you noted in your uh minutes. Um every pushbutton has uh has its own uh LED light. So
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Jackie Neely: you can uh yeah change uh m make it more trendy for for younger people. And uh if there are older people they wanted more uh yeah more uh luxurous so that's an a also an option. Um that was it.
  Jack Davis: That was it?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Okay. Uh again. Ugh.
  Jack Davis: Okay so what we have to decide is what kind of components do we use? Uh energy source, chip type, case type. And user interface. But I didn't see a clear distinction between these so I think what we have is okay. So we only, we already decided that kinetic would be the choice for energy.
  Terry Sanders: No.
  Jack Davis: Uh the case would be doubly curved.
  Terry Sanders: Rubber
  Jack Davis: So
  Leo Morace: And
  Terry Sanders: material.
  Leo Morace: rubber. Rubber material.
  Jack Davis: Rubber material. And that's the only thing we have left.
  Leo Morace: Yeah we need the the chip on print to be able to support the the screen and uh
  Jack Davis: Oh okay.
  Leo Morace: and f
  Jack Davis: No it's easy.
  Leo Morace: audio function.
  Terry Sanders: So that's uh is that is that the advanced chip?
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Advanced
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: chip.
  Terry Sanders: Wow.
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Leo Morace: you would have a simple chip, just for pressing
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: buttons. But we need more.
  Terry Sanders: Alright. Kinetic.
  Leo Morace: I'm just thinking,
  Jack Davis: Too.
  Terry Sanders: Double
  Leo Morace: this
  Terry Sanders: curved.
  Leo Morace: is not my department, but I I'm not sure what this is gonna cost, to be able to
  Jack Davis: Uh
  Leo Morace: m
  Jack Davis: I didn't get any info on this. So
  Leo Morace: So 'cause we need to sell it for twenty five Euro a piece.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: That's gonna be difficult huh?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: The cost of making it should be twelve and a half?
  Jack Davis: I have total
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: here.
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Leo Morace: yeah
  Jack Davis: I
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Jack Davis: don't know. I didn't get any information about that
  Jackie Neely: We're
  Jack Davis: so
  Jackie Neely: going to produce it in uh China so it's no problem.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Child labour man, we love it.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah, so it's
  Jack Davis: Who doesn't.
  Terry Sanders: cheap.
  Jack Davis: Uh let's see. Is there a new thing?
  Terry Sanders: Um well the interface type supplements.
  Jack Davis: Yeah the interface, maybe can
  Jackie Neely: Uh it's it's quite
  Jack Davis: Ooh.
  Jackie Neely: difficult because we we haven't got all the options uh
  Jack Davis: No. Uh
  Jackie Neely: yeah.
  Jack Davis: do you have a picture of doubly curved case? And could you put that in the group folder?
  Leo Morace: Um
  Jack Davis: Of the project folder.
  Leo Morace: let Terry Sanders see. Wait a sec.
  Terry Sanders: If you go to your homepage or something, you should
  Leo Morace: Yeah I'm going there now.
  Terry Sanders: get your own information.
  Leo Morace: Inspiration.
  Terry Sanders: I got my fresh and fyoo fruity uh picture uh also uh
  Leo Morace: Well
  Terry Sanders: over there,
  Jack Davis: Ah
  Terry Sanders: so
  Jack Davis: you didn't draw it yourself.
  Terry Sanders: No.
  Jack Davis: Ah.
  Terry Sanders: Too less time.
  Leo Morace: Um
  Terry Sanders: Yeah,
  Leo Morace: yeah maybe
  Terry Sanders: also the
  Leo Morace: it's
  Terry Sanders: menu. Yeah
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: that that
  Jackie Neely: This
  Terry Sanders: w
  Jackie Neely: is the the menu I was
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: uh looking uh
  Terry Sanders: Yeah I
  Leo Morace: Maybe
  Terry Sanders: was thinking
  Leo Morace: it's easier
  Terry Sanders: of that
  Jackie Neely: at.
  Terry Sanders: also, with with a
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: with a
  Jack Davis: Arrow.
  Terry Sanders: uh arrow.
  Jackie Neely: Arrow yeah.
  Terry Sanders: So
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: that indicates that there's an menu under that menu.
  Leo Morace: Yeah. Yeah perfect.
  Terry Sanders: So
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Maybe
  Jack Davis: 'S
  Leo Morace: it's easier
  Jack Davis: the target
  Leo Morace: if you guys
  Jack Davis: group.
  Leo Morace: come
  Jackie Neely: S
  Leo Morace: over
  Jackie Neely: yeah.
  Leo Morace: here. S
  Terry Sanders: Oh
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: yeah.
  Leo Morace: see
  Jack Davis: sure.
  Leo Morace: this is the the the standard traditional type, where the form uh yeah serves the function, you know. It's like really basic. But this m is more appealing to old people and we don't
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: want that. This is what we're looking for. And th that means curved in both dire dire uh dimensions.
  Jack Davis: Oh okay.
  Leo Morace: Not only
  Jack Davis: I
  Leo Morace: like
  Jack Davis: see.
  Leo Morace: this but
  Jack Davis: Yeah also like
  Leo Morace: it has
  Jack Davis: this.
  Leo Morace: to
  Jack Davis: So
  Leo Morace: be
  Jack Davis: you can hold it.
  Leo Morace: exactly. It has to be kind of instead of the PlayStation, the module. It has to be like the the Game Cube, you know, where
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: your thumbs would be laying in the instrument and it has to
  Jackie Neely: But
  Leo Morace: be
  Jackie Neely: it
  Leo Morace: nice
  Jackie Neely: has also
  Leo Morace: to hold.
  Jackie Neely: to it
  Leo Morace: And
  Jackie Neely: it has also to be uh luxurous uh for for yeah rich people. Th
  Leo Morace: It ha
  Jackie Neely: this looks a little bit like like for
  Jack Davis: The
  Jackie Neely: only
  Jack Davis: children's
  Jackie Neely: for children.
  Jack Davis: story. Yeah I've
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jack Davis: got
  Leo Morace: but
  Jack Davis: it.
  Leo Morace: that's
  Jackie Neely: So
  Leo Morace: that's the
  Jack Davis: Distinction.
  Leo Morace: the problem
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: uh yeah the dilemma actually, 'cause we wanna appeal to the to the young public with fancy with flashy colours, and with a lot of shape. And Yeah,
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: and the and
  Jackie Neely: The
  Leo Morace: the rubber,
  Jackie Neely: colour
  Leo Morace: it it will look cheap always,
  Jackie Neely: Yeah. Okay
  Leo Morace: you know,
  Jackie Neely: but
  Leo Morace: with the
  Jackie Neely: the the colours, you you can make it uh make the colours with LEDs uh beneath the the buttons. If you
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Jackie Neely: press a button and you can disable the the colour LEDs for for people that don't like it.
  Terry Sanders: Mm.
  Leo Morace: There is mobile phones, in which you can change the colour also of the
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: lights. Maybe we should consider this function.
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: To customise it and so I mean kids can make it look more flashy with different kinds of colours
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: and people who want something, you know,
  Jack Davis: Different.
  Leo Morace: different, or more uh design,
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: they can go for one colour like uh for example this uh photo
  Jack Davis: Camera.
  Leo Morace: th camera.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Cool. S underwater
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: uh
  Jack Davis: submarine.
  Terry Sanders: yeah.
  Leo Morace: Personally I think it's really ugly.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Just
  Jack Davis: Well
  Leo Morace: give Terry Sanders the thing that it's inside there
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: maybe
  Jackie Neely: Very
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Leo Morace: I'm
  Jackie Neely: cheap
  Jack Davis: but
  Leo Morace: too old
  Jack Davis: this
  Jackie Neely: uh
  Leo Morace: for
  Jackie Neely: cheap
  Leo Morace: this
  Jack Davis: this
  Leo Morace: stuff.
  Jackie Neely: look.
  Jack Davis: the is for the.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Leo Morace: So
  Jack Davis: Uh
  Leo Morace: those I think are all my oh.
  Jack Davis: Ah yeah bright colours.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Also a
  Leo Morace: And
  Terry Sanders: kind
  Leo Morace: this
  Terry Sanders: of
  Leo Morace: is,
  Terry Sanders: rubber uh
  Leo Morace: this is with the curved that I mean.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: That's singly curved.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Leo Morace: Yeah?
  Terry Sanders: That should be nice.
  Jack Davis: Well we could make a compromise between that. But I don't know if it's worth the effort.
  Leo Morace: A compromise between what?
  Jack Davis: Uh instead of doubly curved we take a single curved. So to
  Terry Sanders: So
  Jack Davis: appeal
  Terry Sanders: s
  Jack Davis: a
  Leo Morace: This,
  Jack Davis: little more to the
  Leo Morace: this
  Jack Davis: all
  Leo Morace: would
  Jack Davis: the public.
  Leo Morace: be uh single curved uh?
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah there's only in in this dimension.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Like this.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: So curvy or not.
  Jack Davis: Also.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Leo Morace: Exactly. Exactly.
  Terry Sanders: so we keep it singly c single curved then?
  Jack Davis: Yeah that would be an option. I don't know what you think.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: I think the I mean our aim is to make something different right? To
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: make something new.
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: I would go for the double curved.
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Leo Morace: And
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Leo Morace: I I'm
  Jack Davis: I'd agree.
  Leo Morace: I'm thinking uh you know uh a drawing palette,
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: where you have the shape for your thumb. So it kind of holds nicely, something
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: like that.
  Jackie Neely: but if
  Leo Morace: Well
  Jackie Neely: you
  Leo Morace: this
  Jackie Neely: if
  Leo Morace: is
  Jackie Neely: you make
  Leo Morace: really
  Jackie Neely: it
  Leo Morace: your
  Jackie Neely: more
  Leo Morace: decision
  Jackie Neely: curved
  Leo Morace: but
  Jackie Neely: we we can make more and more options for buttons. If you have uh it have it in your hand, you you you are not only um yeah you don't need one dimension but you can use other dimensions for pressing the the buttons.
  Leo Morace: Yeah. As well. You can make a trigger button
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: or something like that.
  Jackie Neely: Something to shoot at your television
  Leo Morace: Yeah or that that is the confirmation button or
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: something,
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: that you scroll with your thumb, with the arrows,
  Jackie Neely: That's
  Leo Morace: and then confirm.
  Jackie Neely: yeah.
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: That would be a nice way to use it but I mean, yeah, I'm thinking big already, and we need something
  Jack Davis: Different.
  Leo Morace: that well that
  Jack Davis: Stands
  Leo Morace: that you
  Jack Davis: out.
  Leo Morace: can able to use in
  Jack Davis: Or
  Leo Morace: one hand I think.
  Jack Davis: Oh yeah a one hand uh
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: solution.
  Terry Sanders: So from top view it looks kinda like this. But from the side you you can have it also in a kind of shape. Maybe because
  Jack Davis: can
  Terry Sanders: the
  Jack Davis: turn it
  Terry Sanders: the screen
  Jack Davis: maybe.
  Terry Sanders: is on top you
  Jack Davis: To switch
  Terry Sanders: can have
  Jack Davis: from buttons to interface hmm. If you turn it a little.
  Terry Sanders: Maybe you can c have this kind of shape. A little upwards. So that the screen is more
  Jack Davis: Oh yeah. Least you
  Terry Sanders: towards
  Jack Davis: can easily
  Terry Sanders: yourself,
  Jack Davis: see it.
  Terry Sanders: so you can easily see your screen.
  Leo Morace: How
  Terry Sanders: Well well
  Leo Morace: about
  Terry Sanders: you have it in your hand so it's a kind of an angle from your eyes to the screen. So this this
  Leo Morace: Mm-hmm.
  Terry Sanders: is so the screen is positioned over here. Oh. Something like that. And the buttons are more, well it's very thick now but
  Leo Morace: Yeah I understand what you mean.
  Terry Sanders: That's uh
  Leo Morace: How
  Terry Sanders: that's
  Leo Morace: about we do a uh a pop-up screen, like the laptop.
  Jack Davis: If
  Leo Morace: So
  Jack Davis: you can
  Leo Morace: that
  Jack Davis: uh flip.
  Leo Morace: the only the simple functions will be visible at first.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah? That
  Leo Morace: And
  Terry Sanders: that
  Leo Morace: then
  Terry Sanders: you can
  Leo Morace: if
  Terry Sanders: press
  Leo Morace: you want
  Terry Sanders: it and then it comes up? Or
  Leo Morace: Yeah. Something like that.
  Jack Davis: Uh so you have a the the side view.
  Terry Sanders: But then the side view can be straight. If you have a pop-up screen. But I dunno if that's too expensive.
  Jack Davis: So
  Terry Sanders: I
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: and
  Terry Sanders: mean
  Jack Davis: you
  Terry Sanders: maybe
  Jack Davis: want
  Terry Sanders: it's
  Jack Davis: to
  Terry Sanders: too much
  Jack Davis: be able to make this.
  Leo Morace: No uh like I would draw it like this. Let's say this is the side view. That you have a a screen that will come up here, and can go down that way. If you know what I mean.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Leo Morace: So that it would come
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: up like that.
  Jack Davis: Okay so the buttons are on top here, and you flip it over that
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jack Davis: way.
  Leo Morace: or preferably even keep the simple buttons here,
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: and then under the screen even you
  Terry Sanders: Oh
  Jack Davis: Oh
  Leo Morace: could put
  Terry Sanders: the advanced
  Leo Morace: more
  Jack Davis: yeah. Yeah
  Leo Morace: more
  Terry Sanders: buttons.
  Jack Davis: yeah
  Leo Morace: advanced
  Jack Davis: yeah
  Leo Morace: buttons.
  Terry Sanders: Right.
  Jack Davis: yeah. Right.
  Jackie Neely: That's
  Jack Davis: Yeah that's good
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: idea.
  Jackie Neely: the the more advanced options were uh for the for the menu.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: But
  Leo Morace: F
  Jackie Neely: you
  Leo Morace: for
  Jackie Neely: you
  Leo Morace: the
  Jackie Neely: want
  Leo Morace: L_C_D_ menu
  Jackie Neely: okay.
  Leo Morace: right?
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: You just
  Leo Morace: So
  Jackie Neely: want to hide them all? The
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: No not all
  Leo Morace: w
  Jackie Neely: oh.
  Jack Davis: because
  Leo Morace: w
  Jack Davis: you need most of them, the arrow buttons. But you can hide the okay and the back
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Jack Davis: uh
  Jackie Neely: yeah
  Jack Davis: button.
  Jackie Neely: yeah.
  Jack Davis: And the menu button also because when you flip it open
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: and you can maybe even drop the menu button because maybe if you flip it open it will auto activate
  Leo Morace: Oh
  Jack Davis: amauto uh uh automatically.
  Leo Morace: Activate and th the yeah.
  Terry Sanders: So okay b but you have t you need some button to flip this
  Jack Davis: Why? You
  Terry Sanders: open.
  Jack Davis: could
  Leo Morace: True.
  Jack Davis: just
  Leo Morace: True.
  Jack Davis: make it mechanical.
  Leo Morace: But you can make a, yeah, you can make a trigger here. You
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: know a simple uh
  Terry Sanders: Yeah and
  Leo Morace: with
  Terry Sanders: it
  Leo Morace: a
  Terry Sanders: says menu and it flips open and
  Jackie Neely: That's
  Terry Sanders: then you have the buttons to control
  Jackie Neely: but it's it's
  Terry Sanders: it, in combination
  Jackie Neely: not
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: with your
  Jackie Neely: it's not very uh
  Leo Morace: Exactly.
  Jackie Neely: very strong uh yeah if you drop it one time.
  Terry Sanders: True. It uh c it can
  Leo Morace: Well
  Terry Sanders: go open.
  Leo Morace: yeah the the idea
  Jack Davis: If you
  Leo Morace: of
  Jack Davis: cover
  Leo Morace: it was,
  Jack Davis: it with rubber.
  Leo Morace: is that because you close it, you cover the L_C_D_ screen and it won't be vulnerable to scratches or whatever.
  Terry Sanders: An adv
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Terry Sanders: an
  Jack Davis: Mm.
  Terry Sanders: adv and it will be
  Leo Morace: And
  Terry Sanders: covered in some kind of uh thin rubber layer or something
  Leo Morace: Exactly.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: like that.
  Jack Davis: So
  Leo Morace: Exactly.
  Jack Davis: it can bounce.
  Leo Morace: We just have to
  Terry Sanders: Yeah,
  Leo Morace: make sure that the closing
  Terry Sanders: uh
  Leo Morace: mechanism
  Terry Sanders: It's
  Leo Morace: won't
  Terry Sanders: very
  Leo Morace: break.
  Terry Sanders: no it's
  Leo Morace: Th
  Terry Sanders: very
  Leo Morace: it's
  Terry Sanders: strong.
  Leo Morace: very solid
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Jack Davis: okay so that that may work.
  Leo Morace: That actually will offer some extra
  Jack Davis: Okay
  Leo Morace: protection
  Jack Davis: but then we still
  Leo Morace: for
  Jack Davis: have
  Leo Morace: the
  Jack Davis: the the the thing of the the the shape.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jack Davis: What
  Leo Morace: I was
  Jack Davis: kind of
  Leo Morace: thinking, if if you have your hand, it this is your th
  Jack Davis: Harder.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah the lower part doesn't work I guess, so maybe you should try it over there.
  Leo Morace: Okay. If this is your thumb, and this is your hand like that. With your uh wrist. That you, that it would be kind of shape like this, you know. So it's easier to hold in your hand, to
  Jackie Neely: But
  Leo Morace: y
  Jackie Neely: when
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: you are
  Leo Morace: f
  Jackie Neely: left-handed, that's that's a problem.
  Leo Morace: Uh yeah. Yeah of course. Yeah
  Jack Davis: Maybe
  Leo Morace: then w
  Jack Davis: can design
  Leo Morace: then you would
  Jack Davis: two versions.
  Leo Morace: have to
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: But that's
  Leo Morace: to make
  Jackie Neely: that's
  Leo Morace: it like
  Jackie Neely: very expensive
  Leo Morace: this. Like
  Jackie Neely: uh
  Leo Morace: like you drew here.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: And maybe th then make this thicker also than the centre. Give it
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm. And
  Leo Morace: I would
  Jack Davis: ergonomical
  Leo Morace: give it a female
  Jack Davis: shape.
  Leo Morace: shape but uh
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: yeah. Anyway.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: The female shape yeah. With two
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Obviously.
  Jackie Neely: We we could make some some
  Leo Morace: Make
  Jackie Neely: rubber
  Leo Morace: it more appealing
  Jackie Neely: uh
  Jack Davis: uh
  Leo Morace: to
  Jackie Neely: some
  Leo Morace: guys.
  Jackie Neely: rubber uh yeah
  Leo Morace: I mean
  Jackie Neely: mouse, with which you can change
  Jack Davis: Oh
  Jackie Neely: uh
  Jack Davis: yeah. Some
  Jackie Neely: and
  Jack Davis: uh
  Jackie Neely: so if you
  Jack Davis: k esk uh yeah.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah but but that's optional for later I guess. I
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: mean, we have to
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: make
  Leo Morace: but we have hardware inside, which is so it has to have some sort of
  Jackie Neely: Some
  Leo Morace: basic shape.
  Jackie Neely: yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: we we better
  Jack Davis: yeah.
  Leo Morace: And
  Terry Sanders: so
  Leo Morace: also
  Terry Sanders: choose
  Leo Morace: the screen,
  Terry Sanders: one
  Leo Morace: you cannot mould it. You
  Jackie Neely: No
  Leo Morace: know
  Jackie Neely: no no
  Leo Morace: kind
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: no.
  Leo Morace: of thing.
  Terry Sanders: so okay we should better choose one sh one shape.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: But that's the kind of the idea, so it lays good in the hand, and then
  Leo Morace: And then
  Terry Sanders: on
  Leo Morace: you can
  Terry Sanders: on the side with with your
  Leo Morace: You
  Terry Sanders: thumb,
  Leo Morace: can place the screen
  Terry Sanders: you
  Leo Morace: here,
  Terry Sanders: you can
  Leo Morace: which can
  Terry Sanders: you can
  Leo Morace: come.
  Terry Sanders: use, yeah, you
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: can use the button option
  Leo Morace: And but then I w I
  Jack Davis: spongey?
  Leo Morace: would
  Terry Sanders: Spongey.
  Leo Morace: I would do the arrows here, kind of thing.
  Terry Sanders: Spongey can be reached
  Leo Morace: Those buttons?
  Terry Sanders: by means of
  Leo Morace: And the simple buttons here, so
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: that
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: And and the and the control thngs in the middle? The the
  Leo Morace: I Uh
  Terry Sanders: the
  Leo Morace: y
  Terry Sanders: arrows?
  Leo Morace: eah
  Jackie Neely: No
  Leo Morace: that's
  Jackie Neely: the
  Leo Morace: what
  Jackie Neely: arrow's
  Leo Morace: I mean. The
  Jackie Neely: over
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: arrows
  Jackie Neely: here.
  Leo Morace: over here,
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: and
  Terry Sanders: and then
  Leo Morace: here the
  Terry Sanders: numbers.
  Jack Davis: Buttons.
  Leo Morace: s simple uh
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Alright.
  Jack Davis: I think that uh
  Terry Sanders: Uh
  Jack Davis: it's a nice design.
  Terry Sanders: pretty nice design. Yeah.
  Jack Davis: It's cool.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah it looks uh pretty fancy.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: or do we wanna make its shape look like a banana or something? I dunno.
  Jack Davis: Yeah that's
  Terry Sanders: Uh bananas wierd shape and other fruits also, so
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: it's better to have um some sort of basic print and then a fruit print in some primary uh colours.
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: I
  Leo Morace: we
  Terry Sanders: don't
  Leo Morace: could
  Terry Sanders: know
  Leo Morace: make
  Terry Sanders: what what colours should the basic print be like? Like some soft
  Jack Davis: Orange or
  Terry Sanders: green
  Jack Davis: something.
  Terry Sanders: or something? Or
  Jackie Neely: Or blue?
  Terry Sanders: and then
  Jackie Neely: Dark blue or
  Terry Sanders: Oh yeah yeah, dark blue and then
  Leo Morace: We should use
  Terry Sanders: and then very bright, uh a yellow
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: banana, an orange, uh a green apple, stuff like that, with very uh bright tones I guess.
  Jack Davis: Mm.
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: So
  Leo Morace: w
  Terry Sanders: you have
  Leo Morace: we
  Terry Sanders: something
  Leo Morace: need very
  Terry Sanders: like
  Leo Morace: primary colours, like
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: bright red, bright yellow.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah but the primary colours w we can uh create with the with the LEDs on the on the remote
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: control.
  Leo Morace: Yeah okay
  Jackie Neely: If
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Jackie Neely: you we uh yeah. If you make it uh just a yeah bl give it a blue colour, then it's just a neutral colour, also for the for the more uh yeah for the people.
  Terry Sanders: Mm. That
  Jack Davis: Huh
  Terry Sanders: doesn't
  Jack Davis: cool.
  Terry Sanders: really work. To draw,
  Jack Davis: No it's.
  Terry Sanders: I guess. Oh. What's
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: this?
  Jack Davis: it's text.
  Terry Sanders: Right.
  Jack Davis: N
  Terry Sanders: Hm.
  Jack Davis: no you have to exit. You
  Jackie Neely: So
  Jack Davis: could
  Jackie Neely: that's
  Jack Davis: also make line with uh
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Two hours further.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: thickness. Oh.
  Jackie Neely: So that's blue.
  Terry Sanders: Oh. Wh why not go for the twenty?
  Jack Davis: Mm. Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: Mm.
  Terry Sanders: That's
  Jack Davis: Y
  Terry Sanders: what I call painting. So that's that's a dark blue basic colour
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: I guess.
  Jack Davis: Yeah and then on
  Terry Sanders: It's pretty
  Jack Davis: top
  Terry Sanders: nice.
  Jack Davis: of that.
  Terry Sanders: And then uh Oh
  Jack Davis: Some
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jack Davis: yellow.
  Terry Sanders: with some some yellow banana
  Jack Davis: Banana colour.
  Terry Sanders: Like.
  Leo Morace: And how about some uh some flashing standby lights? Like you have on the Samsung, well I don't like to call brands phones, the you know that 'cause I remember from one of our first meetings that uh people lose their uh remote controls often.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah?
  Leo Morace: So it not not only in in the colours of the LEDs, that we want something to keep it visible at all times, or
  Terry Sanders: How do you mean?
  Leo Morace: Um
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: Some
  Jack Davis: if
  Terry Sanders: some
  Jack Davis: you
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: if flashing colour so you can't lose it, basically.
  Leo Morace: Yeah. Exactly.
  Jack Davis: Well I
  Jackie Neely: Maybe
  Jack Davis: think
  Jackie Neely: a
  Jack Davis: it's a bit too much but
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah an orange. Well alright well this
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: is more like purple I guess, but
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: it's should be more real dark blue, so the contrast with the with the fruit objects is uh pretty
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: high.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: So uh yeah. That would be a nice uh nice device
  Jackie Neely: And
  Terry Sanders: I guess.
  Jackie Neely: which which colour should uh should I give the the display? Uh Or
  Jack Davis: Who?
  Terry Sanders: I mean, the the colour of the background of the
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: display?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Ah well I don't guess it s has to be a
  Jack Davis: And then you
  Terry Sanders: sixty
  Jack Davis: can use yellow
  Terry Sanders: uh
  Jack Davis: or semething.
  Terry Sanders: sixty six five thousand uh
  Jack Davis: Why
  Terry Sanders: colour,
  Jack Davis: not?
  Terry Sanders: so yeah too expensive.
  Jack Davis: Aye.
  Terry Sanders: So
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: just just a a blue blue
  Jackie Neely: Mm.
  Terry Sanders: backlight or
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: something like that. Green is too old-fashioned. But blue,
  Leo Morace: As
  Terry Sanders: blue's
  Leo Morace: long
  Terry Sanders: okay.
  Leo Morace: as you loo
  Terry Sanders: J
  Leo Morace: use uh high contrast between the the background and the foreground colour.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah maybe
  Leo Morace: So
  Jack Davis: Like
  Leo Morace: that
  Jackie Neely: a
  Leo Morace: people
  Jack Davis: this.
  Leo Morace: with
  Jackie Neely: maybe
  Leo Morace: uh
  Jackie Neely: a white
  Leo Morace: with
  Jackie Neely: a white backlight?
  Terry Sanders: White backlight, and dark.
  Jackie Neely: Dark uh letters, yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Whatever which is visible.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: I know you sh you should test it under uh under a light conditions. I mean it's hard
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: to tell
  Leo Morace: And also
  Terry Sanders: uh I
  Leo Morace: for
  Terry Sanders: dunno.
  Leo Morace: people who are a bit colourblind.
  Jack Davis: Colourblind yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. True.
  Jack Davis: No so that's mostly red and green I believe.
  Terry Sanders: Which which uh colour should the buttons be?
  Jackie Neely: That's adjustable.
  Jack Davis: Woah.
  Terry Sanders: Why
  Jack Davis: All
  Terry Sanders: adjustable?
  Jack Davis: all buttons?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah? Or
  Jack Davis: Okay.
  Terry Sanders: No
  Jackie Neely: not.
  Terry Sanders: uh
  Jackie Neely: That's how we are going to make it uh more trendy. Or is
  Terry Sanders: But
  Jackie Neely: it uh too expensive?
  Terry Sanders: maybe I mean they
  Jack Davis: It's
  Terry Sanders: have
  Jack Davis: difficult.
  Terry Sanders: to they have to have some colour right? And if the background is
  Jack Davis: Blue.
  Terry Sanders: very dark blue
  Jack Davis: Maybe green.
  Leo Morace: But don't we wanna make the background the the bright colo colours? So th the total
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Leo Morace: of the
  Jack Davis: you can
  Leo Morace: thing is very bright? Like the pictures I showed you guys. Those
  Terry Sanders: Yeah?
  Leo Morace: things were all like like
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm
  Leo Morace: bright
  Jack Davis: flashy.
  Leo Morace: red, bright red, flashy.
  Terry Sanders: So more like
  Jack Davis: Mm bzz.
  Terry Sanders: Doesn't work very well. Uh. More like this colour.
  Leo Morace: Yeah something like that, something that
  Terry Sanders: And then
  Leo Morace: stands out more.
  Terry Sanders: then yellow and orange and red objects on it
  Jackie Neely: Mm.
  Terry Sanders: or something.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: But then then again, which colour should the buttons be? The the press buttons. Should they be white or black or
  Jack Davis: Red maybe.
  Jackie Neely: And it it looks
  Terry Sanders: Uh
  Jackie Neely: quite
  Jack Davis: Black.
  Jackie Neely: cheap, that colour I think. It's it's not
  Leo Morace: The green?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jack Davis: Why?
  Terry Sanders: but it's pretty
  Jackie Neely: I dunno.
  Terry Sanders: fresh, on the
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: other side.
  Jack Davis: So
  Leo Morace: It's actually a pretty trendy colour at the moment.
  Jackie Neely: It's it's trendy okay.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: But
  Terry Sanders: My couch
  Jackie Neely: Mm.
  Terry Sanders: is in that colour.
  Jack Davis: Ooh.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Well
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: it works pretty well. And then time was up.
  Jack Davis: Uh not yet.
  Terry Sanders: Uh.
  Leo Morace: Do you get a pop-up if
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Leo Morace: we
  Jack Davis: within five minutes yeah.
  Terry Sanders: That
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Terry Sanders: you have five minutes
  Jack Davis: Y left
  Terry Sanders: left or
  Jack Davis: yeah left and then uh I have to kick you
  Terry Sanders: So
  Jack Davis: out.
  Terry Sanders: something like this.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: That should be pretty nice colour. But maybe the buttons, all buttons in red is maybe a bad contrast for colourblind
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: people.
  Jack Davis: yeah.
  Leo Morace: No
  Terry Sanders: Because
  Leo Morace: that's
  Terry Sanders: the
  Leo Morace: actu
  Terry Sanders: of the
  Jackie Neely: But
  Terry Sanders: green.
  Jackie Neely: the but the buttons have their own LEDs or not?
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: They have LEDs but they
  Leo Morace: Red
  Jack Davis: have a colour.
  Leo Morace: and green are actually the b the easiest to discriminate. Even for colourblind.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah?
  Leo Morace: They will see one of each as grey.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: But if you use uh green on blue, those kind of colours will look the same.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Terry Sanders: Okay.
  Leo Morace: I think.
  Terry Sanders: So red buttons are okay?
  Leo Morace: I think so.
  Jackie Neely: Okay. That
  Jack Davis: You can
  Jackie Neely: that's
  Jack Davis: make
  Jackie Neely: a
  Jack Davis: them
  Jackie Neely: default
  Jack Davis: red.
  Jackie Neely: uh setting. The the red buttons.
  Jack Davis: Yeah. But I think you need to keep in mind that the LEDs are just extra light.
  Terry Sanders: How do you mean? Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Uh they they don't determine the colour
  Jackie Neely: Okay. Yeah
  Jack Davis: that much,
  Jackie Neely: I I
  Jack Davis: I
  Jackie Neely: was
  Jack Davis: think.
  Jackie Neely: think about a red uh red LEDs and blue LEDs and
  Jack Davis: 'Cause
  Terry Sanders: No
  Jack Davis: you have to
  Terry Sanders: that's that's
  Jack Davis: print
  Terry Sanders: too
  Jack Davis: on
  Terry Sanders: busy
  Jack Davis: them you
  Terry Sanders: I guess.
  Jack Davis: have
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: a background. Each number is transparent.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Uh partly but you have to print on the number. Or the the sign.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: So you can't
  Terry Sanders: You better
  Jack Davis: change
  Terry Sanders: bet
  Jack Davis: the colour so
  Terry Sanders: better better keep the LED and the button itself in the same colour
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: I guess. So just an extra
  Jack Davis: Bit of light.
  Leo Morace: You can
  Terry Sanders: bit of light
  Leo Morace: what
  Terry Sanders: and
  Leo Morace: we
  Terry Sanders: attention.
  Leo Morace: should
  Jack Davis: Bit
  Leo Morace: do
  Jack Davis: of feedback.
  Leo Morace: I think is is make kind of a see-through plastic button, with
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: uh one coloured LED behind it.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: So that the whole button will shine
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: as the colour the And if you think about easy to use buttons, we have to, well we have to make it the shape so that it's easy to hold f for both hands, but also that you can reach the buttons
  Jack Davis: Mm-hmm.
  Leo Morace: with your thumb,
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: if
  Jack Davis: Okay
  Leo Morace: you hold
  Jack Davis: with
  Leo Morace: the machine.
  Jack Davis: Uh Don't mean to discourage you but uh basically you two are going to work on the smartboard. Next thirty minutes to design
  Leo Morace: Ah, right.
  Jack Davis: something so
  Terry Sanders: Alright.
  Jack Davis: And the You will do the evaluation.
  Terry Sanders: Of the product?
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Which we don't have yet.
  Jack Davis: Yeah uh about
  Terry Sanders: So wh how should I do that?
  Jack Davis: Yeah I don't know.
  Terry Sanders: Oh
  Jack Davis: You
  Terry Sanders: okay.
  Jack Davis: probably get a mail.
  Terry Sanders: Or you you or you send it to Terry Sanders. Or just because
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: you are
  Jack Davis: Once
  Terry Sanders: going
  Jack Davis: they
  Terry Sanders: to
  Jack Davis: are finished.
  Terry Sanders: design it
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: on this board right?
  Jack Davis: Yeah but maybe you can do the evaluation you don't have to evaluate yet but you can make a procedure which to follow.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: I don't know.
  Terry Sanders: I I probably get instruction on that,
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: how to do that, so I make another presentation I guess.
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: I kn I know what's gonna happen in
  Jack Davis: About.
  Terry Sanders: in
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: yeah so
  Jack Davis: You have the basic idea.
  Terry Sanders: I've a basic idea.
  Jack Davis: And you two uh are going to do this.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: So
  Jack Davis: Look-and-feel
  Leo Morace: we're gonna work
  Jack Davis: and
  Leo Morace: here? On this sketchboard?
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: Good
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Jack Davis: luck.
  Leo Morace: Thanks.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Alright so that's
  Jack Davis: So
  Terry Sanders: uh
  Jack Davis: I uh make new page and uh be creative.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Jackie Neely: But we have to do it at this moment, after
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: th this
  Jack Davis: you
  Jackie Neely: meeting?
  Jack Davis: have uh
  Leo Morace: Thirty minutes.
  Jack Davis: thirty minutes.
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Jack Davis: Then we have to uh see something
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: which we
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: can
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Jack Davis: uh
  Jackie Neely: Ah
  Jack Davis: show
  Jackie Neely: so this
  Jack Davis: to the
  Jackie Neely: is
  Jack Davis: management.
  Jackie Neely: basically the what what we are thinking about?
  Leo Morace: Yeah. Shall
  Jack Davis: I would
  Leo Morace: we uh
  Jack Davis: yeah.
  Leo Morace: make a new uh
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: l
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: let's just uh delete all
  Jack Davis: Next.
  Jackie Neely: these uh or
  Leo Morace: Yeah, I just
  Jackie Neely: Oh, next.
  Leo Morace: make a new one.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Jack Davis: Oh and save this uh board.
  Leo Morace: Huh?
  Jack Davis: Just
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jack Davis: save
  Leo Morace: I'll just
  Jack Davis: it.
  Leo Morace: I'll just keep it there.
  Jack Davis: Yeah okay but just press save and uh
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: It'll be fine.
  Terry Sanders: On the left. S so, yeah.
  Leo Morace: Uh sorry.
  Jack Davis: You can also include clip-art.
  Leo Morace: Okay.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Current
  Jack Davis: So if you'll
  Leo Morace: colour?
  Jack Davis: rather draw in paint or something
  Leo Morace: So um
  Jackie Neely: Okay. Uh
  Leo Morace: Shall we make some outline sketches of the basic shape first?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Because
  Jackie Neely: And then after
  Leo Morace: I
  Jackie Neely: that we
  Leo Morace: I
  Jackie Neely: can make the user uh inter interface.
  Jack Davis: then look.
  Leo Morace: Yeah 'cause I have to uh focus on the on the
  Terry Sanders: This?
  Leo Morace: basic look-and-feel
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: design.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: So how it's gonna look. And you have to think
  Terry Sanders: Uh
  Leo Morace: uh
  Terry Sanders: pretty
  Leo Morace: how we're
  Terry Sanders: accurate.
  Leo Morace: gonna put the screen in it and those kind of things. So if I'm drawing and you think okay I'm not gonna be
  Terry Sanders: Oh
  Leo Morace: able
  Terry Sanders: we
  Leo Morace: to put
  Terry Sanders: skip
  Leo Morace: a screen
  Terry Sanders: this I
  Leo Morace: in
  Terry Sanders: guess.
  Leo Morace: there,
  Terry Sanders: Sound
  Leo Morace: you have to
  Terry Sanders: button
  Leo Morace: correct.
  Terry Sanders: press.
  Jackie Neely: Yep.
  Leo Morace: Uh
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: do you mind if I
  Jack Davis: You
  Leo Morace: draw
  Jack Davis: can also
  Leo Morace: in black
  Jack Davis: include
  Leo Morace: then?
  Jack Davis: it. It's
  Leo Morace: For
  Jack Davis: not much
  Leo Morace: normal
  Jack Davis: work.
  Leo Morace: sketches.
  Terry Sanders: Light only
  Jackie Neely: Oh
  Terry Sanders: button
  Jackie Neely: no it's it's
  Terry Sanders: user
  Jackie Neely: okay.
  Terry Sanders: ca user interaction.
  Leo Morace: so we kind
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: of
  Jack Davis: That's
  Leo Morace: want
  Jack Davis: included.
  Leo Morace: the girlish
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: okay.
  Terry Sanders: So
  Leo Morace: figure.
  Terry Sanders: the pl the plastic plastic buttons also help uh because of um they are only
  Leo Morace: I'm
  Terry Sanders: lit
  Leo Morace: not so good
  Terry Sanders: during
  Leo Morace: at drawing.
  Terry Sanders: interaction. So
  Leo Morace: Excuse Terry Sanders?
  Terry Sanders: Well it's a good thing that the buttons aren't um, well that they are plastic, because then you can light up the light
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: on
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: when when they are usable.
  Leo Morace: No uh uh.
  Terry Sanders: Maybe you should draw it very large
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: like this.
  Jackie Neely: but
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: this part isn't uh functioning
  Jack Davis: Sensitive.
  Terry Sanders: Oh
  Jackie Neely: properly.
  Terry Sanders: right.
  Leo Morace: How do we uh
  Terry Sanders: Erase?
  Leo Morace: uh or insert text?
  Jack Davis: I dunno. Maybe just start typing.
  Jackie Neely: It's a bit
  Leo Morace: Oh that's
  Jackie Neely: uh
  Leo Morace: a
  Jackie Neely: large.
  Leo Morace: bit big. Yeah.
  Jack Davis: You also do the other sides. Not only on the front si uh the top
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jack Davis: side
  Leo Morace: Ex
  Jack Davis: but
  Leo Morace: exactly.
  Jack Davis: also the the side view.
  Jackie Neely: L
  Leo Morace: Uh
  Jackie Neely: let's make first the the the all
  Jack Davis: Uh.
  Jackie Neely: the views. The the front view, side view and the back view.
  Leo Morace: Uh I thought for the side view, that
  Jack Davis: Jesus.
  Leo Morace: the w
  Jack Davis: What
  Leo Morace: the
  Jack Davis: do
  Leo Morace: basic
  Jack Davis: I write
  Leo Morace: section
  Jack Davis: down?
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: would be rather
  Jack Davis: Why can't
  Leo Morace: uh
  Jack Davis: I work here? This
  Leo Morace: a bit
  Jack Davis: is much
  Leo Morace: thicker than the middle,
  Terry Sanders: Much
  Leo Morace: where
  Jack Davis: easier.
  Leo Morace: you're
  Terry Sanders: easier,
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: holding
  Terry Sanders: yeah.
  Leo Morace: it with your 'cause your
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: fingers have to fit underneath
  Jackie Neely: The middle has
  Leo Morace: and
  Jackie Neely: to be
  Jack Davis: Mm.
  Jackie Neely: very small
  Terry Sanders: I don't
  Jackie Neely: so
  Terry Sanders: see
  Jackie Neely: you
  Terry Sanders: a
  Jackie Neely: can
  Terry Sanders: sign that the meeting
  Jackie Neely: have
  Terry Sanders: is over
  Jackie Neely: it in your
  Terry Sanders: yet
  Jackie Neely: hand.
  Leo Morace: Exactly
  Terry Sanders: but
  Jack Davis: No
  Leo Morace: but
  Jack Davis: so
  Leo Morace: the
  Jack Davis: I just
  Leo Morace: uh
  Jack Davis: work here
  Leo Morace: but
  Jack Davis: a
  Leo Morace: the
  Jack Davis: few minutes.
  Leo Morace: upper
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: side has to be a bit more like that I think.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Leo Morace: Uh don't
  Jackie Neely: the display,
  Leo Morace: you think?
  Jackie Neely: we yeah we can
  Leo Morace: So
  Jackie Neely: put
  Leo Morace: the
  Jackie Neely: a
  Leo Morace: display
  Jackie Neely: display.
  Leo Morace: we will put in here, the basic uh functions in here, where it's most reachable.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: The
  Jackie Neely: The the
  Leo Morace: The th
  Jackie Neely: arrow functions.
  Leo Morace: Exactly.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah. Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Oh. This is hard. What do don't have to draw it exactly do we?
  Jackie Neely: No it's it's uh it's okay.
  Leo Morace: Wait. Let Terry Sanders try it one more time. Maybe I've uh it's easier if I draw it in once. Okay, of course it will become way more ugly.
  Jackie Neely: You can make it m larger. Maybe it's easier to to draw uh
  Leo Morace: Yeah. This'll take forever. It's fun to work with this pen. Um so, larger.
  Terry Sanders: Oh.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: Wrong
  Jackie Neely: that's
  Leo Morace: And
  Terry Sanders: one.
  Jackie Neely: that's the basic idea. Yeah.
  Leo Morace: yeah. So side.
  Jack Davis: Five minutes left before the meeting ends.
  Leo Morace: 'Kay. Um other views?
  Terry Sanders: Alright.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah only if you are going to put buttons on the side of the
  Leo Morace: Uh
  Jackie Neely: unit.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: That's the question.
  Terry Sanders: But we we
  Leo Morace: Let's fill i fill in the buttons later.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: So this is gonna be from the
  Terry Sanders: I is it if
  Leo Morace: uh from
  Terry Sanders: if this is from the side woah.
  Jackie Neely: From
  Leo Morace: yeah
  Jackie Neely: the
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Steady.
  Leo Morace: Sorry.
  Terry Sanders: Because there the screen goes up like that right?
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: So then it's like this, or
  Leo Morace: Yeah?
  Terry Sanders: that's not convenient because then you have the screen like this and look like the it's better to have it somewhat like this. Or does it flip
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Leo Morace: The
  Jackie Neely: I'm
  Leo Morace: the
  Jackie Neely: I'm
  Leo Morace: idea
  Terry Sanders: all the way?
  Leo Morace: is that it has to flip up
  Jackie Neely: May
  Leo Morace: to here.
  Jackie Neely: maybe it's it's easier to to integrate the the the L_C_D_ screen just into this this bubble.
  Leo Morace: Okay.
  Jackie Neely: Because it do doesn't have to flip then. Because
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: we have en enough
  Leo Morace: Yeah yeah
  Jackie Neely: space
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Jackie Neely: for for making a an L_C_D. Because
  Terry Sanders: It's
  Jackie Neely: here
  Terry Sanders: better to to
  Leo Morace: True.
  Terry Sanders: have this like this I guess, and then flip it like
  Jackie Neely: But why
  Terry Sanders: this.
  Jackie Neely: why do we need uh the flipping uh
  Leo Morace: you can adjust the angle to which it flips. So it can also from this angle, it can flip all the
  Jackie Neely: Okay.
  Leo Morace: way up to there.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: You can flip it up to there if you
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: want.
  Terry Sanders: So w yeah. But we still keep the flipping mechanism.
  Leo Morace: Think
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: so.
  Jack Davis: Yeah we keep the flip? Keep the
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jack Davis: flip
  Leo Morace: because
  Jack Davis: live.
  Leo Morace: I think it will feel weird if you would make this smaller and this bigger or something that
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: I dunno.
  Jackie Neely: Uh the the shape is okay but yeah? I don't see the the yeah why why we should use the the flipping uh mechanism.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: I
  Jackie Neely: Because
  Leo Morace: thought
  Jackie Neely: we
  Leo Morace: it would be cool.
  Jackie Neely: Okay yeah. It's it's for
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: for
  Terry Sanders: but
  Jackie Neely: for
  Terry Sanders: maybe
  Jackie Neely: more trendy uh
  Terry Sanders: Yeah but maybe we we should then
  Jackie Neely: Because we have enough space. H here we got uh the basic functions,
  Terry Sanders: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: the
  Terry Sanders: there the middle
  Jackie Neely: the arrow uh yeah button.
  Terry Sanders: Sh sh shouldn't we integrate it?
  Jackie Neely: Yeah and
  Terry Sanders: And then
  Jackie Neely: then h we sh mm.
  Terry Sanders: like i oh th doh. Come on. So this is the shape. Oh. It hasn't
  Leo Morace: It doesn't aim so well.
  Terry Sanders: Okay but the screen is a bit lower because if it falls
  Jackie Neely: Yeah,
  Terry Sanders: on the other side,
  Jackie Neely: then it's
  Terry Sanders: it doesn't fall on the screen. So there's a layer of rubber on
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: the side.
  Leo Morace: yeah yeah. Definitely.
  Terry Sanders: So no flipping but just
  Jackie Neely: No flipping or
  Jack Davis: No flipping?
  Terry Sanders: no.
  Jackie Neely: you wanted the flipping so
  Leo Morace: Yeah I guess but uh I mean
  Jackie Neely: But
  Leo Morace: most
  Jackie Neely: if you
  Leo Morace: votes
  Jackie Neely: if you
  Leo Morace: count right?
  Jackie Neely: If you drop it it it just breaks. And it has to be very strong because of the. Yeah
  Terry Sanders: Throwing
  Jack Davis: It's shaking.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: and the kinetics. Oh.
  Jackie Neely: kind of
  Terry Sanders: We
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: better
  Leo Morace: true
  Terry Sanders: make
  Leo Morace: true.
  Terry Sanders: we better make it like this.
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Terry Sanders: Eventually.
  Jack Davis: Yeah just
  Leo Morace: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: And
  Leo Morace: if
  Jack Davis: light
  Jackie Neely: it's
  Leo Morace: you if
  Jack Davis: on top.
  Leo Morace: you're going
  Jackie Neely: also
  Leo Morace: for
  Jackie Neely: for
  Leo Morace: the kinetics
  Jackie Neely: the for
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: the children, it's yeah for people
  Jack Davis: Safer.
  Jackie Neely: not sixteen years.
  Jack Davis: Mm.
  Terry Sanders: Uh
  Jackie Neely: But
  Terry Sanders: they
  Jack Davis: Yeah
  Jackie Neely: there
  Terry Sanders: are
  Jackie Neely: are
  Terry Sanders: responsible
  Jack Davis: okay
  Jackie Neely: more
  Jack Davis: that the
  Terry Sanders: enough
  Jack Davis: target
  Terry Sanders: to have a mobile
  Jack Davis: group.
  Terry Sanders: phone, so also to to
  Jackie Neely: Yeah
  Terry Sanders: deal
  Jackie Neely: okay.
  Terry Sanders: with their
  Jackie Neely: That's true.
  Terry Sanders: uh remote uh control. Yes.
  Jackie Neely: Okay. Yeah?
  Jack Davis: Well.
  Leo Morace: Yeah. I'm just
  Jack Davis: I just
  Leo Morace: thinking
  Jack Davis: uh ended
  Leo Morace: totally
  Jack Davis: the meeting.
  Leo Morace: different
  Jack Davis: You
  Leo Morace: designs
  Jack Davis: two go
  Leo Morace: also.
  Jack Davis: design.
  Jackie Neely: Okay
  Leo Morace: Remember
  Jackie Neely: wi
  Leo Morace: that the weird pocketphone thingy
  Jack Davis: Oh.
  Leo Morace: which
  Jack Davis: By the way.
  Leo Morace: looked like
  Jack Davis: Um
  Leo Morace: kind of a Gameboy.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Maybe we should try something like that.
  Jack Davis: I
  Leo Morace: But yeah.
  Jack Davis: uh thought up a name for our product.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah?
  Leo Morace: Oh
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: right.
  Jack Davis: It's called uh the Real Remote.
  Terry Sanders: Ooh.
  Leo Morace: Alright.
  Jack Davis: With a copyright sign after Real.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: The
  Terry Sanders: Alright.
  Jackie Neely: Real Remote.
  Leo Morace: Yeah. I like it. Okay.
  Jack Davis: So
  Terry Sanders: Good.
  Jack Davis: maybe
  Leo Morace: This
  Jack Davis: you
  Leo Morace: can
  Jack Davis: can
  Leo Morace: go.
  Jack Davis: include that somewhere.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. We should work in our own room right? Or
  Jack Davis: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: Oh
  Terry Sanders: not?
  Leo Morace: yeah we have to f uh include that in our design
  Jack Davis: I don't see
  Leo Morace: as
  Jack Davis: any
  Leo Morace: well.
  Jack Davis: power cables here so
  Leo Morace: Let's see.
  Terry Sanders: Yeah. Yes.
  Leo Morace: What the hell's that?
  Jack Davis: 'Kay.
  Terry Sanders: See you two
  Jackie Neely: I think
  Terry Sanders: in half
  Jackie Neely: uh
  Terry Sanders: an hour
  Jackie Neely: it's
  Terry Sanders: uh
  Jackie Neely: the sensors. Okay.
  Leo Morace: Uh
  Jack Davis: Good luck.
  Jackie Neely: Yep. Okay that's the side. Ah it's it's okay. But do we want uh options on the on the side with the with the buttons?
  Leo Morace: Yeah.
  Jackie Neely: Or just
  Leo Morace: I
  Jackie Neely: leave
  Leo Morace: think
  Jackie Neely: it?
  Leo Morace: we do.
  Jackie Neely: Uh could make an uh a volume button uh scroll, volume button.
  Leo Morace: Yeah or j or also scrolling for the m
  Jackie Neely: For
  Leo Morace: yeah.
  Jackie Neely: menu.
  Leo Morace: Yeah?
  Jackie Neely: Or
  Leo Morace: I dunno. We w kind of wanted to stick with the
  Jackie Neely: Yeah. No,
  Leo Morace: Yeah I'm just
  Jackie Neely: yeah.
  Leo Morace: thinking, if we i we wanna make something different right? So the with the scroll is is more futuristic than the standard arrow buttons.
  Jackie Neely: Yeah.
  Leo Morace: I think.
  Jackie Neely: Mm. Yeah you are going to design it so.
Updated Content: Terry Sanders talked about trendwatching and explained that the current trends are for fruit and vegetable themed products and products with a spongy texture. For users, the three most important aspects of a remote control are a fancy look and feel, technological innovation, and ease of use. Leo Morace talked about the options for energy source, case shape and material, and internal components. The group decided on using kinetic energy, and a double-curved rubber case. Jackie Neely talked about speech recognition and what functions will be controlled through buttons or the lcd screen menu. Jack Davis ran through the group's decisions so far and led a discussion of their remaining options, including the colour of the case and buttons, and whether the remote should flip open or not.