Extracted Content: Alicia Douglas: Excellent. So um I sent you the agenda it, was on the in the project documents. I don't know if you got a chance to just have a look at it. Anyway, it's the meeting's gonna follow more or less the same structure as last time, so we'll go round each of you in turn and you can give your presentations on what you've been up to. Um and at the end of that we need to discuss what you've come with, so that we can make on the key remote control concepts, so that's we need to know about the components' properties, materials, the user interface and any trends that Dorothy Sanchez has been watching.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay. Um, do you wanna start again?
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: Let Dorothy Sanchez we've
  Colleen Shivers: Right
  Alicia Douglas: got forty
  Colleen Shivers: s
  Alicia Douglas: minutes.
  Colleen Shivers: so I haven't made a PowerPoint
  Alicia Douglas: You haven't
  Colleen Shivers: presentation,
  Alicia Douglas: made a PowerPoint, okay.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah, I I thought I'll use the whiteboard instead.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Um mm,
  Alicia Douglas: Let's hope the pen holds out.
  Colleen Shivers: okay, so basically I'll start off by uh I thought I'll use the whiteboard because we have so many different options and what we can do is that we can start um uh rubbing off the options that we do not require
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: and putting in the options that uh are m or highlighting or underlining them or something like that. Okay, I'll start again with a brief introduction to connect that anyway
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: brief introduction to the insides of a remote control and uh then we can probably uh discuss the various components. Yeah. Okay, so w what you see here is so this is the outside of the remote, right?
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: If you open it, you have a circuit board here, right, and this is the chip that I was talking about last time. This basically sends information to a tr uh transistor here, which then uh sends the information to an L_E_D_ device here.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: If you flip the printed circuit board, and this is th the most important point here, uh everything else is kind of Okay, so if you flip the circuit board, this is what it looks like. So you see for example a particular button attaches to a particular place on the P_C_B_
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: and uh on pressing this button I a circuit completes, the information goes to the chip, which is somewhere here and the chip that tra then translates the code into an infra infrared radiation, which goes goes out through there. So uh the important point that I read over the website was uh that the configurations of these printed circuit circuit boards uh are quite cheap to make, you can
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: ge get them printed as you want to, so w we can have a configuration um irrespective of the cost, the way we want to have.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Right? So that's the important point here, so these are the different options that we have. Okay. So the batteries, I'll start with the battery,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: right? So they can be simple which is like uh the normal batteries in uh our uh the cells, yeah?
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Uh thes these are the kind different kind of batteries that the company makes, right? So. And dynamos. Um
  Dorothy Sanchez: Does that mean like a wind-up one?
  Colleen Shivers: yeah, yeah. So uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: A wind-up remote.
  Colleen Shivers: I don't know if even if you want to consider this, but these are the different things that the company makes, so
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Colleen Shivers: th they'll they'll since uh they'll come internally from the company, they'll be eas uh cheaper, uh all these options.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: So the third one is uh the kinetic energy ones.
  Dorothy Sanchez: You could make the hand dynamo into an exercise bike, and then people could exercise whilst watching T_V_.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: And charging their remote,
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and stop worrying about the whole R_S_I_ from the remote thing, 'cause
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: that's just
  Colleen Shivers: it's a good option.
  Norma Wall: So what was what was
  Colleen Shivers: The
  Norma Wall: this k
  Colleen Shivers: the kinetic energy one is uh that e uh uh they are usually modern watches,
  Norma Wall: Okay.
  Colleen Shivers: since our
  Alicia Douglas: Uh
  Colleen Shivers: hand
  Alicia Douglas: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: keeps moving, it keeps the watch ticking. But
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: I dunno i if it is a good idea for a remote control,
  Alicia Douglas: For a remote,
  Colleen Shivers: because
  Alicia Douglas: 'cause you
  Colleen Shivers: it'll just lie there for a
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: long while sometimes. But
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: as soon as you pick it up it moves and then again it uh re recharges or something.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: And the fourth option is the solar cells,
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yay.
  Colleen Shivers: which are also made by the company. Environment friendly. Okay um so I'll list things and then we can come back and discuss
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: what what we think from uh everybody's perspective. There are different cases that can be provided. They can be basically the shape of the cases, they can be flat,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: they can be curved with uh one-sided curved and one side flat, and they can be curved with on both the sides.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: These are the three options, right? Um
  Norma Wall: Um you mean this would be like the the overall shape of the remote control, yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Norma Wall: mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: would it be flat on both the
  Norma Wall: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: sides,
  Norma Wall: mm-hmm,
  Colleen Shivers: would be curved
  Norma Wall: mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: from one side, or
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: whatever
  Norma Wall: mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: uh there were different kind of supplements available, um like it can be in plastic, rubber, wood, or
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: titanium,
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Colleen Shivers: right?
  Dorothy Sanchez: Did you say
  Colleen Shivers: Wo
  Dorothy Sanchez: wool?
  Alicia Douglas: Wood,
  Colleen Shivers: wo wood.
  Alicia Douglas: wood.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Wood.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Oh right.
  Alicia Douglas: A fluffy
  Colleen Shivers: Not wool.
  Alicia Douglas: remote.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah, you'll understand why when we get to my presenta.
  Colleen Shivers: Oh really? Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: Huh.
  Colleen Shivers: Um the so uh we can use even um a certain titanium is also used uh in the company to make uh uh some space design equipment, so it's kind of um uh it'll be probably nicer to use, because it relates to the overall image of the company, but uh it cannot be used on a double curved surface. If we choose this, we cannot use titanium.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Colleen Shivers: For for these two we can use titanium, wood, rubber, or plastic.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah? Uh okay, the interface options now. So we can have push-buttons, like most remotes do and our company is an expert in making push-buttons. Ooh. Uh we can have scroll wheels like the ones on um
  Dorothy Sanchez: Sony.
  Colleen Shivers: uh mouse pointers
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: uh uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: Sony Ericsson mobile phones has it.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah, yeah, something like that.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Mm.
  Colleen Shivers: So, and they have they can even have an an integrated uh push-button inside the scrolling
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Colleen Shivers: thing. The scroll plus push. So this is something that has been recently developed by the company, um in the last decade, so not too recent. And L_C_D_s, we can have L_C_D_s.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: The various electronic options are um uh so th this concerns firs first of all the the chips I I showed you at uh so there's there's a chip behind this one, right? The P_C_B_ is uh inexpensive, so we can put put in uh whatever we want, but
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: the various integrated circuit options are, we have either a simple one or a regular or advanced. And uh the price goes up
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: as we go down, obviously. Um okay, so the good thing about uh wh wh why why we would want to use advanced u why we might want to use advanced is that L_C_D_s can only come with the advanced chip.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Um the we need regular or advanced for uh scroll wheels. Right? Um and the chip basically includes the infra infrared sender.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah. Uh besides this in electr under electronics uh also the company has started making a sample sender, which is did not explained what i what it was, but I'm guessing that uh so they have a sample sender and a sample speaker. So I'm guessing that uh the sample speaker is probably something like um uh you know, as soon as you press a button, it it mm uh give gives you feedback, one five or whatever. Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: on. Um and uh I dunno whether sample sender sender has to do something with voice recognition or not, but anyway.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: So, these are the different options that we have. Okay, so th that's that's basically now now uh I think that uh we can integrate um uh you know, uh the user interface uh and uh the marketing things in that,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: keep uh taking out things from this and uh
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: underlining things that are important,
  Alicia Douglas: Excellent.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Do you wanna
  Norma Wall: Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: stay somewhere near the board, so that if we need to
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah, yeah, sure.
  Alicia Douglas: you can sit down, but
  Colleen Shivers: Sure.
  Alicia Douglas: just
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: we might need you to leap up. What
  Norma Wall: Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: are you, PowerPoint, or
  Norma Wall: Um I have some PowerPoint, yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Norma Wall: Oh.
  Alicia Douglas: Do you
  Norma Wall: 'Kay.
  Alicia Douglas: think these pens can give you cancer of the hand? Some sort of radiation?
  Dorothy Sanchez: No it's got its little camera in there
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: plug, it in.
  Norma Wall: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: 'S a
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah, it should should do it. Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Right, interface concept.
  Norma Wall: Okay. Um to be honest, I mentioned some some of the things which which could fit on the on the this talk um this time, I I mentioned them already in the previous talk.
  Alicia Douglas: That's fine.
  Norma Wall: So um yeah, this time um I might not have them on the slides but I I can just
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Norma Wall: mention them aw again. Okay. So um I thought um I would also include the definition of user interface um so it's the aspects of a of of a computer system or programme which can be seen uh by the user um and and which uh the mechanisms that the user uses to control its operation and input data. So this would p includes things like shape and size and buttons and um voice recognition as well, and colour,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Norma Wall: and so on. Um um the method I employed this time was a again having a look to related products and mainly on the internet and then um analyse them uh from the point of view of user fen friendliness and also um whether their appearance was was pleasant. Um and then um this uh this um this can help us to decide which features we want to incorporate
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Norma Wall: in our product. So some findings um um. So in in the case of many user interfaces, they're just so full of buttons that it's actually uh hard to find the ones you you really um want to use and um and it's just confusing, it takes y know time to learn. Um okay, and I thought I would just quickly show some of them that I found. Okay, some of them are here. Um well the picture is not very clear, but as you can see, there are actu oi, oh oh oh, sorry for that. 'S go back.
  Colleen Shivers: That's
  Norma Wall: Ah,
  Colleen Shivers: nice one.
  Norma Wall: no, please. Okay, so yeah, they're quite big and have many many buttons. Actually of the of all these I personally p prefer this one, because it's it's the smallest and and with with least uh with the smallest number of buttons as well. And I would say even the appearance of some of them is kind of
  Dorothy Sanchez: Ugly.
  Norma Wall: not so nice.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Norma Wall: Um okay. So let's carry on with this. Um So uh um o other findings um some new things um used, uh some of them were mentioned already by our Technical um Designer uh. Our own company has developed a new in user interface uh wait, no this is not the one. Okay, there is a we can uh include voice recognition and um it allows i it's possible to record eighty different voice samples
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Norma Wall: on it.
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Norma Wall: Uh so uh this uh this one was already mentioned uh the L_C_
  Alicia Douglas: It's
  Norma Wall: display.
  Alicia Douglas: yeah.
  Norma Wall: Um s another new development is a scroll button, which was also th also already mentioned. And uh our own manufacturing division ha has uh designed a new um uh programmable speech uh mm sorry uh speaker unit I guess it's it should be.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: Um and this means that um once uh uh it it it comes together with a voice recognition, but it's once once the mm um gadget uh recognises uh the voice of the speaker, there can be a um pre-programmed answer, for example, you can pick up the remote control and say something to it like hello and it says
  Alicia Douglas: Uh-huh,
  Norma Wall: some hello and
  Alicia Douglas: hi
  Norma Wall: your name or whatever.
  Alicia Douglas: yeah.
  Norma Wall: So
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Norma Wall: I mean this is also one of the n dev new developments which we might consider if we wanted to
  Colleen Shivers: Uh
  Norma Wall: include.
  Colleen Shivers: sorry, uh can you go back for a second? Um uh are you sure wha what this means, a spinning wheel with the L_C_ display? Uh oh
  Alicia Douglas: It's like the like you said, no? The scroll scroll
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: yeah
  Dorothy Sanchez: you
  Norma Wall: No
  Dorothy Sanchez: can't
  Alicia Douglas: wheel.
  Colleen Shivers: are
  Norma Wall: no,
  Colleen Shivers: th
  Norma Wall: the scroll button is a different thing. I I have a picture if you just a moment, I'll I'll show you. I wasn't completely sure myself, but I think it's just like um it's it's a wheel, it's like not separate buttons. Look,
  Colleen Shivers: Oh okay,
  Norma Wall: this one here.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Oh,
  Colleen Shivers: the iPod
  Dorothy Sanchez: it's like
  Norma Wall: But
  Dorothy Sanchez: the
  Colleen Shivers: thing,
  Norma Wall: I'm
  Dorothy Sanchez: iPod.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Norma Wall: I'm not really sure whether whether you can really turn it round,
  Dorothy Sanchez: G yeah,
  Norma Wall: it's
  Dorothy Sanchez: no,
  Norma Wall: like you
  Dorothy Sanchez: you
  Norma Wall: press
  Dorothy Sanchez: can.
  Norma Wall: this
  Colleen Shivers: Uh
  Norma Wall: or
  Colleen Shivers: it's
  Norma Wall: this
  Colleen Shivers: the
  Dorothy Sanchez: It's
  Colleen Shivers: iPod
  Norma Wall: or
  Dorothy Sanchez: like
  Colleen Shivers: uh kind of uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: it's like where you you know how you have your your mouse, and
  Alicia Douglas: Uh-huh.
  Dorothy Sanchez: y you go round and i it's kind
  Colleen Shivers: Alright,
  Dorothy Sanchez: of like that and you
  Colleen Shivers: right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: spin round and it
  Colleen Shivers: Okay, okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: So
  Dorothy Sanchez: It
  Colleen Shivers: instead
  Dorothy Sanchez: is
  Colleen Shivers: of going down you just spin
  Dorothy Sanchez: You
  Colleen Shivers: yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: just
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: go round and it is a bit
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: weird at first, but it's actually very like fast.
  Colleen Shivers: Uh-huh.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I like the the wheels that click on the side you you get 'em much slower, so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Norma Wall: Uh-huh.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Do you know, if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A_ to Z_ of your music and you're looking for something at T_,
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: then it's a lot faster than the wheel, but you've got a lot less control over it.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Right. So
  Norma Wall: Mm.
  Colleen Shivers: maybe I should include that here as well, L_C_D_s
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: um
  Norma Wall: Uh
  Colleen Shivers: plus spinning.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: Okay, and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Norma Wall: It it has to be small, simple. Okay, we decided to include voice recognition, so to have the standard uh major buttons like on, off, um ch the channels and and then um volume and then the rest would be a menu on the screen. Um and I I also thought uh if we want to keep it small and nice um and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button, I thought it could be for for voice like, I dunno, it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something. There is uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control.
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm. Excellent. Okay, straight to trends, and then we can discuss it
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: all at once.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Okay, I've put the copy of the presentation in um the
  Alicia Douglas: The project documents.
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Excellent. If you two could both do that
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: as well, in case we need to refer to it.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Cool.
  Alicia Douglas: Here it comes.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Fabulous. Okay, cool. Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Okay. Right. Now, the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect, which is twice as important as the third a aspect.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: So, I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: the which I think given the target group is what you would expect, really.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Um, you know, people want something new, something technologically innovative and different, so the whole idea with the L_C_D_s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like, quite the thing to go for.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: And um, yeah it wants to look fancy, fancy look and feel.
  Colleen Shivers: So
  Dorothy Sanchez: So
  Colleen Shivers: um uh maybe uh as you're discussing things, is it okay if we
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: just
  Alicia Douglas: yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Alicia Douglas: sure.
  Colleen Shivers: keep
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: highlighting things
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: here?
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Right. So mm
  Alicia Douglas: That's
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Alicia Douglas: over on the interface,
  Colleen Shivers: so it
  Alicia Douglas: if if
  Colleen Shivers: yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: you could put
  Colleen Shivers: so probably voice recognition is is kind of
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: important, right? Um
  Alicia Douglas: And maybe the L_C_D_
  Colleen Shivers: and
  Alicia Douglas: and spinning
  Colleen Shivers: an yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: so
  Colleen Shivers: Okay,
  Alicia Douglas: that
  Colleen Shivers: I
  Alicia Douglas: means
  Colleen Shivers: I
  Alicia Douglas: we
  Colleen Shivers: have
  Alicia Douglas: need
  Colleen Shivers: a
  Alicia Douglas: an
  Colleen Shivers: point
  Alicia Douglas: advanced
  Colleen Shivers: about L_C_D_,
  Alicia Douglas: thing.
  Colleen Shivers: I dunno if it is the right point to take it up. W uh L_C_D_s are basically for feedback, right, to
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: the user who's pressing
  Dorothy Sanchez: Mm.
  Colleen Shivers: buttons, and the feedback can come through television itself, so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote?
  Dorothy Sanchez: Depends how fast your television runs, really, don't don't you think? I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes and
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: you put the number in the remote and then you wait and then it goes to the T_V_ and then you wait, and then it comes, so i it actually takes quite a long time.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: And
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: if you get the number in wrong, then it's a bit of a pain, so I think, you know, a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that. But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: It it is also
  Dorothy Sanchez: You know?
  Alicia Douglas: quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen, so if you're
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: watching something
  Colleen Shivers: That's true,
  Dorothy Sanchez: And
  Colleen Shivers: yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: i
  Colleen Shivers: that's
  Dorothy Sanchez: it would
  Colleen Shivers: also
  Dorothy Sanchez: be like I mean if you could make it integrate with the T_V_ then it could come up with new information about what's on, and you could just see that on the remote rather
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: than
  Alicia Douglas: Rather than having to interrupt your
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: viewing pleasure.
  Dorothy Sanchez: But
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone, you know, like you have the slidey ones and you have the flippy ones and then the screen's protected so it doesn't
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: actually get scratched.
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control, you know or
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: like a minimalist remote control. So you got your buttons one to nine, your on and off
  Colleen Shivers: Mm right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and your volume on that and then
  Alicia Douglas: And
  Dorothy Sanchez: if
  Alicia Douglas: then
  Dorothy Sanchez: you
  Alicia Douglas: you
  Dorothy Sanchez: want
  Alicia Douglas: can
  Dorothy Sanchez: to
  Alicia Douglas: flip
  Dorothy Sanchez: mess about
  Alicia Douglas: it open.
  Dorothy Sanchez: with it, you flip it open and, yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay. So now we seem to have a consensus that L_C_D_s are definitely the way to go
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: because
  Alicia Douglas: I think
  Colleen Shivers: of
  Alicia Douglas: so.
  Colleen Shivers: style and
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah, so that kind of decides your whole chip thing.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: You you agree? Maarika,
  Norma Wall: Yep, yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah? Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Right.
  Colleen Shivers: So
  Dorothy Sanchez: Okay?
  Colleen Shivers: L_C_D_s, yeah, definitely. Go on.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Cool. Okay, apparently, fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration. Sorry, I discovered clip art. Um so these will be an important feature for clothes, shoes and furniture. So I mean, I'm taking this to mean, you know, curviness. Do you know? 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah, and
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: possibly
  Dorothy Sanchez: You know?
  Alicia Douglas: even uneven, like
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: not
  Dorothy Sanchez: bit of asymmetry
  Alicia Douglas: not symmet yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and stuff. But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um R_S_I_ issue in there,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: because
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands so you wanna you curve it so that it's suitable for use
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: with the right hand.
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Um yeah, I'm not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy. Um
  Alicia Douglas: Something a bit squishy and
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah, but I mean
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah, we
  Norma Wall: So
  Dorothy Sanchez: y
  Colleen Shivers: we
  Norma Wall: it
  Dorothy Sanchez: you
  Colleen Shivers: have
  Norma Wall: could
  Dorothy Sanchez: have
  Norma Wall: be
  Dorothy Sanchez: to
  Norma Wall: like a rubbery
  Colleen Shivers: we have rubber,
  Norma Wall: yeah, uh-huh.
  Colleen Shivers: but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the um with using
  Dorothy Sanchez: Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah, and it'd help if you drop it, it protects it as well.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah, yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: To some degree.
  Colleen Shivers: So if if we use uh latex cases, they won't allow us to use solar cells, as an energy source that is the constraint,
  Alicia Douglas: Uh-huh.
  Colleen Shivers: so um we could use titanium, wood or plastic uh
  Alicia Douglas: Or if
  Colleen Shivers: or
  Alicia Douglas: we want to use the
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Alicia Douglas: the latex, then we have to go with one of the other um
  Dorothy Sanchez: If
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: it's
  Colleen Shivers: w
  Dorothy Sanchez: made
  Alicia Douglas: power
  Dorothy Sanchez: of
  Colleen Shivers: energy
  Dorothy Sanchez: rubber
  Alicia Douglas: things.
  Dorothy Sanchez: you
  Colleen Shivers: source.
  Dorothy Sanchez: could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there, you
  Alicia Douglas: From
  Dorothy Sanchez: could just
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: from
  Dorothy Sanchez: bounce
  Colleen Shivers: tap it
  Dorothy Sanchez: it
  Alicia Douglas: bouncing
  Colleen Shivers: on
  Dorothy Sanchez: up
  Colleen Shivers: the desk,
  Dorothy Sanchez: and down.
  Alicia Douglas: it.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: You can have it as like a little ball to bounce, that
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: flips open.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Um
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: so yeah, um
  Colleen Shivers: So probably
  Dorothy Sanchez: okay.
  Colleen Shivers: double curved surface is the way to go, yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Or or curved at one end and flat on the top, because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides, then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons, etcetera. Um
  Dorothy Sanchez: You have to have a certain element of flatness, I think.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it, you know, put your hands so y it's the least
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: movement
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: basically.
  Colleen Shivers: singe
  Alicia Douglas: Uh-huh.
  Colleen Shivers: single side curved or double side curved does not say too much, does it? It
  Dorothy Sanchez: No, I
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: d I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I I have one of those s slidey phones and I mean the back is essentially straight,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: but it's curvy,
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: so. Besides,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: Uh
  Alicia Douglas: 'cause
  Dorothy Sanchez: you have
  Alicia Douglas: the
  Dorothy Sanchez: four sides
  Colleen Shivers: I think
  Dorothy Sanchez: to a
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: thing, so I mean
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: does curved one side mean one side is straight
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and, you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing?
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: Dunno.
  Colleen Shivers: Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh because um according to the information that I have, I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is are these three.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case. It does
  Alicia Douglas: Nothing
  Colleen Shivers: not say anything
  Alicia Douglas: to
  Colleen Shivers: about uh
  Alicia Douglas: open
  Colleen Shivers: whether
  Alicia Douglas: them.
  Colleen Shivers: technically, you know, this this stuff is available at all.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah. Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_, which I
  Colleen Shivers: Right,
  Dorothy Sanchez: think is where it came
  Colleen Shivers: yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: from.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: But no, my research didn't tell Dorothy Sanchez anything, which is why we have all the pictures, 'cause I had nothing better to
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: do with my time.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Okay, cool.
  Alicia Douglas: Anything else? What've we got?
  Dorothy Sanchez: Uh combine style with a level of functionality, um beauty and practicality and a thing of beauty and p function.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay,
  Colleen Shivers: Cool, thanks.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Okay?
  Alicia Douglas: so.
  Norma Wall: Thanks
  Alicia Douglas: Looking at what we've got, we we want an L_C_D_ display with a spinning
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: wheel.
  Colleen Shivers: Let's let's try to r rub off
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: things
  Alicia Douglas: rub off
  Colleen Shivers: and
  Alicia Douglas: some
  Colleen Shivers: yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: of those.
  Colleen Shivers: so um hand dynamos are definitely out, right? You
  Norma Wall: Yeah
  Colleen Shivers: you
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: got a wind
  Norma Wall: uh-hum
  Colleen Shivers: dynamo,
  Alicia Douglas: it's
  Norma Wall: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: not
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: that's not streamlined and sexy, having
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: a having a wind
  Colleen Shivers: Um
  Alicia Douglas: up.
  Colleen Shivers: kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh
  Alicia Douglas: I think
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Alicia Douglas: tha
  Colleen Shivers: appeal, but uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: It's
  Colleen Shivers: it's
  Dorothy Sanchez: about the practicality of it really, isn't
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: it? You know?
  Colleen Shivers: As
  Dorothy Sanchez: I mean
  Colleen Shivers: against
  Dorothy Sanchez: if
  Colleen Shivers: a watch, which constantly keeps moving, this this thing will have to be tapped every time, which which might be very frustrating for the user.
  Alicia Douglas: Depends how much how much movement
  Colleen Shivers: Kinetic energy
  Alicia Douglas: it really
  Colleen Shivers: it
  Alicia Douglas: needs.
  Colleen Shivers: needs
  Alicia Douglas: Pr
  Colleen Shivers: I don't have too
  Alicia Douglas: presumably
  Colleen Shivers: much technical information
  Alicia Douglas: if they're suggesting
  Colleen Shivers: on that, yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: it, then we
  Colleen Shivers: right.
  Alicia Douglas: could use it.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay, let's keep it
  Alicia Douglas: I'd
  Colleen Shivers: option
  Alicia Douglas: I'd keep
  Colleen Shivers: uh keep
  Alicia Douglas: it
  Colleen Shivers: an
  Alicia Douglas: on.
  Colleen Shivers: option, yeah. Um the flat co completely flat case is definitely out,
  Alicia Douglas: We
  Colleen Shivers: right?
  Alicia Douglas: don't want
  Colleen Shivers: It
  Norma Wall: Yeah
  Alicia Douglas: that
  Colleen Shivers: has
  Alicia Douglas: it's
  Colleen Shivers: to
  Norma Wall: it's
  Alicia Douglas: no
  Colleen Shivers: be at
  Alicia Douglas: it's
  Colleen Shivers: least
  Norma Wall: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: not
  Colleen Shivers: curved from
  Alicia Douglas: not
  Colleen Shivers: one
  Alicia Douglas: vegetable.
  Colleen Shivers: side, yeah. Um okay, we still have all all the options. Wood, do you think wood
  Norma Wall: N
  Colleen Shivers: will
  Norma Wall: wood
  Colleen Shivers: be a good
  Norma Wall: is
  Colleen Shivers: idea?
  Norma Wall: I can't n how do you uh I mean you can't keep it really small
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Norma Wall: uh you can't make it like thin and
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Norma Wall: The
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Norma Wall: wood
  Dorothy Sanchez: I
  Norma Wall: thing.
  Dorothy Sanchez: can't
  Norma Wall: Because
  Dorothy Sanchez: imagine
  Norma Wall: you need to
  Dorothy Sanchez: a m
  Norma Wall: you
  Dorothy Sanchez: wooden
  Norma Wall: n you need
  Dorothy Sanchez: remote
  Norma Wall: to put all
  Dorothy Sanchez: control.
  Norma Wall: the technology in, so I mean if the case you add the case and
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah if
  Norma Wall: it
  Colleen Shivers: if
  Norma Wall: it
  Colleen Shivers: it is
  Norma Wall: becomes
  Colleen Shivers: really
  Norma Wall: a bit
  Colleen Shivers: thin
  Norma Wall: bulky wi mm-mm yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: if it
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Colleen Shivers: is really thin it it's likely to break, it's
  Norma Wall: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: it's much
  Norma Wall: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: more
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Alicia Douglas: and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences, I ha would think maybe
  Norma Wall: U yeah
  Alicia Douglas: rubber
  Norma Wall: wood is
  Alicia Douglas: or
  Norma Wall: not
  Alicia Douglas: plastic
  Norma Wall: really
  Alicia Douglas: is more
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Norma Wall: yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Well it's not very cleanable either,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: That's
  Dorothy Sanchez: do you
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: know.
  Colleen Shivers: true.
  Dorothy Sanchez: It's it's not a practical I mean it's it's alright for a table, but for a remote control, you know.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: And splinters and stuff
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: and
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: okay wood
  Dorothy Sanchez: It
  Colleen Shivers: is
  Dorothy Sanchez: just
  Colleen Shivers: out.
  Dorothy Sanchez: m doesn't make any sense, I think is
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Norma Wall: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: the thing
  Norma Wall: yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: with wood.
  Norma Wall: in the case of remote control not really.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay, now for the really interesting stuff, the interface.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Right, so uh the the push-buttons is is our expertise uh in the industry, but uh it seems to be out of trend, you know, nobody seems
  Dorothy Sanchez: You have
  Colleen Shivers: to
  Norma Wall: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: to
  Norma Wall: but
  Colleen Shivers: be
  Dorothy Sanchez: have some push-buttons,
  Norma Wall: you
  Dorothy Sanchez: don't
  Norma Wall: um I think
  Dorothy Sanchez: you?
  Norma Wall: for for the channel numb uh channel numbers you still need them,
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Norma Wall: wouldn't you?
  Dorothy Sanchez: G yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: Mm
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Norma Wall: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: right.
  Norma Wall: so for
  Colleen Shivers: Oh,
  Norma Wall: channel
  Colleen Shivers: if
  Norma Wall: numbers
  Colleen Shivers: if
  Norma Wall: but
  Colleen Shivers: we have L_C_D_ displays, that opens up a whole world, you know, if you have an L_C_D_ display, then mm you can select
  Norma Wall: But I
  Colleen Shivers: almost
  Norma Wall: th
  Colleen Shivers: everything on
  Norma Wall: yeah
  Colleen Shivers: the L_C_D_
  Norma Wall: but
  Colleen Shivers: display.
  Norma Wall: I think the L_C_D_
  Alicia Douglas: Just for
  Norma Wall: display
  Alicia Douglas: fast
  Norma Wall: is kind of yeah, it's faster with a m yeah and w if we dis and when we s um discussed that we might like this flipping open thing, then
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Norma Wall: I mean
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: y you can use it as a normal remote control,
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: but if you do want to use L_C_D_, then you flip it open, but it's it it's
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: more time-consuming.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that I made, where, you know, the buttons that people use all the time, you want buttons for them
  Colleen Shivers: Mm right.
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and everything
  Alicia Douglas: And it
  Dorothy Sanchez: else
  Alicia Douglas: yeah
  Dorothy Sanchez: menu-driven.
  Alicia Douglas: L_ L_C_D_.
  Colleen Shivers: So uh in in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options. Do you do we enumerate everything from zero to nine? Or do we have just uh channel plus, channel minus, just
  Norma Wall: No,
  Colleen Shivers: to
  Norma Wall: no,
  Colleen Shivers: just to scroll?
  Norma Wall: I mean mm we we definitely need the the numbers, because
  Colleen Shivers: The numbers.
  Norma Wall: it's uh
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: otherwise people don't want to flip through all the channels.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Do we
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: need
  Norma Wall: Um
  Alicia Douglas: them on as buttons or
  Colleen Shivers: Or
  Alicia Douglas: do we need them as L_C_D_?
  Colleen Shivers: on the L_C_D_ we can, you
  Dorothy Sanchez: G yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: know
  Norma Wall: Yeah, I would say
  Dorothy Sanchez: I would think
  Norma Wall: buttons,
  Dorothy Sanchez: buttons, yeah.
  Norma Wall: because
  Alicia Douglas: Buttons.
  Norma Wall: it's yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: It's
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: it's the
  Norma Wall: I
  Dorothy Sanchez: I think
  Colleen Shivers: So
  Dorothy Sanchez: the thing is, so if
  Colleen Shivers: mm
  Dorothy Sanchez: someone just wants to turn on their T_V_
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and put on a channel, then
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: it should be easier to
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: use than any other remote, and then if someone wants to, you know, change the contrast on their T_V_ and
  Colleen Shivers: Alright.
  Dorothy Sanchez: they should be able to do that and it should be accessible, but,
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: you know, I mean most of the time I mean there's a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the T_V_,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I think is the the the issue there.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay, so buttons definitely in but oh shall we uh try to draw a prec um
  Alicia Douglas: I think that's what you guys are gonna do next,
  Colleen Shivers: Uh okay.
  Alicia Douglas: so if we put down the key
  Colleen Shivers: Okay,
  Alicia Douglas: um
  Colleen Shivers: okay,
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: so the
  Alicia Douglas: things
  Colleen Shivers: components. Right,
  Alicia Douglas: that
  Colleen Shivers: so
  Alicia Douglas: we want.
  Colleen Shivers: uh what about the the scrolling uh?
  Norma Wall: Yeah but n I I'm not completely um completely clear uh I yeah, about the spinning wheel. So I think it it doesn't make sense to have both like a scrolling
  Dorothy Sanchez: E
  Norma Wall: and spinning
  Dorothy Sanchez: either
  Norma Wall: thing, it's
  Dorothy Sanchez: or
  Norma Wall: uh you can al include everything in the spinning if you
  Alicia Douglas: Just spinning
  Dorothy Sanchez: G
  Norma Wall: yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: and not scrolling,
  Norma Wall: yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: I would say.
  Norma Wall: in
  Dorothy Sanchez: I
  Norma Wall: that
  Dorothy Sanchez: would
  Norma Wall: case.
  Dorothy Sanchez: say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: the scrolling wheel, so you have to decide whether you you know, you want to be going so fast or not. But I mean the the thing with this whole if y you're planning on making it out of rubber, on the basis that it's spongy,
  Alicia Douglas: Hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: then I'm not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work.
  Colleen Shivers: Mm um
  Alicia Douglas: But if you've got a if
  Norma Wall: Ah, but I mean you can
  Alicia Douglas: if you've got a flipped thing, effectively it's something that's curved on one side and flat on the other side, but you folded
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: it in
  Dorothy Sanchez: but
  Alicia Douglas: half.
  Dorothy Sanchez: y your spinning wheel tends
  Alicia Douglas: Th
  Dorothy Sanchez: to go to one side.
  Alicia Douglas: that would be on one side, uh-huh.
  Colleen Shivers: I'm not sure it'll be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber.
  Norma Wall: Yeah, I
  Colleen Shivers: Uh
  Norma Wall: um
  Alicia Douglas: No,
  Norma Wall: I think
  Colleen Shivers: i it
  Norma Wall: so too,
  Alicia Douglas: I
  Norma Wall: I
  Alicia Douglas: think
  Norma Wall: mean
  Alicia Douglas: it's
  Norma Wall: the
  Alicia Douglas: just
  Norma Wall: case
  Alicia Douglas: the casing
  Norma Wall: would be yeah
  Dorothy Sanchez: You want
  Alicia Douglas: rubber
  Norma Wall: the case
  Dorothy Sanchez: an
  Alicia Douglas: on
  Dorothy Sanchez: outside
  Norma Wall: would
  Alicia Douglas: the
  Norma Wall: be
  Alicia Douglas: outside.
  Norma Wall: rubber
  Dorothy Sanchez: of rubber
  Norma Wall: and the
  Dorothy Sanchez: and then
  Norma Wall: the buttons,
  Dorothy Sanchez: open it up
  Colleen Shivers: Or
  Dorothy Sanchez: and
  Colleen Shivers: or at
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: the corners,
  Norma Wall: rubber buttons,
  Colleen Shivers: edges,
  Norma Wall: but then
  Colleen Shivers: just the edges covered by rubber or something
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: like that. Everything else in plastic
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: or even titanium if we want to use it.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Or maybe like interchangeable cases.
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: 'Cause I know like we're going back to iPods again n the whole spinning wheel, but I have like a you know, obviously my iPod's not made of rubber, but then I have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it and
  Colleen Shivers: Right,
  Dorothy Sanchez: I can
  Alicia Douglas: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: change the colour,
  Colleen Shivers: right.
  Dorothy Sanchez: theoretically, to match my outfit.
  Colleen Shivers: Right, okay, so so that gives us a more trendy look as well. Um
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah, I think the spinning wheel is definitely very now.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: and uh we're going more for the trends than for the usability anyway,
  Alicia Douglas: That's right,
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: that's what
  Colleen Shivers: right?
  Alicia Douglas: they're after.
  Colleen Shivers: So I'll rub that out. And uh colours can be provided with the case rather than Um
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: but we still need to te think about the colour of our remote as such, you know, just keep
  Norma Wall: Yeah
  Colleen Shivers: it black,
  Norma Wall: I think
  Colleen Shivers: or
  Norma Wall: we um it was a a requirement that we use our um th the colours of our company, so would it be like yellow, grey and black or something, or
  Alicia Douglas: I guess.
  Dorothy Sanchez: That doesn't fit in
  Norma Wall: Yeah, does
  Dorothy Sanchez: with the whole vegetable theme though.
  Alicia Douglas: Bananas.
  Norma Wall: Yeah. Banana's yellow, yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Norma Wall: definitely.
  Dorothy Sanchez: but I mean do you think we could incorporate the colours of the company into the buttons and then make the colour of the main remote the colour like vegetable colours, do you know? So
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: you could have like I mean I suppose vegetable colours would be orange and green
  Alicia Douglas: Green.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and some reds and um maybe
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: purple and that and then you'd pick the buttons in company colours to to match
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: with it.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay. Um okay, if you g go over to uh the integrated circuits. Uh since we're having L_C_D_s there there's no way that we're
  Alicia Douglas: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: will be able to um what we do need to consider, however, is that the price is going up for the ever every such thing that we are considering,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: but since L_C_D_s seems to be uh a definite yes, so
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: it seems to be one area where we would want to spend. So I'll rub off the other
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: two.
  Dorothy Sanchez: So are we discounting solar energy because rubber's gonna be used in there somewhere or
  Alicia Douglas: That was the
  Colleen Shivers: Oh is oh the constraint was uh
  Alicia Douglas: We
  Dorothy Sanchez: If
  Alicia Douglas: can't have
  Colleen Shivers: yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: solar panels
  Alicia Douglas: solar
  Dorothy Sanchez: with
  Alicia Douglas: panels
  Dorothy Sanchez: the rubber.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: with rubber,
  Colleen Shivers: So
  Alicia Douglas: so.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah, okay, so we lose that I think.
  Alicia Douglas: Shall we go for if we're going for rubber, we think uh on as our case,
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: and then
  Norma Wall: And the buttons as well, I think.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: I think
  Alicia Douglas: We've
  Colleen Shivers: uh
  Alicia Douglas: got five more minutes.
  Colleen Shivers: we'll have uh uh using the simple battery will be a safer option as compared to the kinetic energy one, I
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: mean, a although it does seem uh interesting.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: But it does not hold any advantages as
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah,
  Colleen Shivers: such
  Dorothy Sanchez: It's
  Colleen Shivers: for
  Dorothy Sanchez: just a
  Colleen Shivers: a
  Dorothy Sanchez: gimmick.
  Alicia Douglas: mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: yeah. Okay. Uh okay, so r we understand this better now that uh the the speaker is for the feedback, right?
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: It it says uh the things that you type in or something like that,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: so
  Alicia Douglas: I think if we can if we can include them at not too much extra
  Colleen Shivers: Ye
  Alicia Douglas: cost,
  Colleen Shivers: yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: then I'd put them in,
  Colleen Shivers: we
  Alicia Douglas: but if
  Colleen Shivers: we
  Alicia Douglas: it's
  Colleen Shivers: don't have too much information about it,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: um
  Norma Wall: Yeah, but it it I think it should be quite cheap because it's from our own
  Alicia Douglas: It's
  Norma Wall: company,
  Alicia Douglas: from the company,
  Norma Wall: yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah, okay,
  Alicia Douglas: so
  Colleen Shivers: so so th this is in as well then, the
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: sample speaker.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay.
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: And the case is curved on one side, but then
  Colleen Shivers: Flat
  Alicia Douglas: flat
  Colleen Shivers: on the top.
  Alicia Douglas: flat, so it's flipped into
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: each other.
  Colleen Shivers: Okay.
  Alicia Douglas: Can I pull the
  Dorothy Sanchez: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: thing
  Dorothy Sanchez: sure
  Alicia Douglas: out the back of your
  Dorothy Sanchez: j
  Alicia Douglas: computer? Just so we can
  Dorothy Sanchez: Sorry, do you want Dorothy Sanchez to
  Alicia Douglas: Nothing, it's right, I'm just There we go.
  Dorothy Sanchez: What does um I_C_S_ mean?
  Colleen Shivers: I_C_s? Uh integrated circuits.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Okay, cool. So it's advanced integrated circuits?
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: Uh oh now I've gone too far.
  Colleen Shivers: Uh um we we're definitely going in for voice recognition as well as
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: L_C_D_s,
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Colleen Shivers: mm.
  Alicia Douglas: We're on our way.
  Alicia Douglas: Okay. So we've basically worked out that we're going with a simple battery, the advanced chip
  Colleen Shivers: Right.
  Alicia Douglas: and a curved on one side case which is folded in on itself,
  Colleen Shivers: Yep.
  Alicia Douglas: um made out of rubber and the buttons are also rubber. We're having push-buttons on the outside and then on the inside an L_C_D_ with spinning wheel, and we're incorporating voice recognition. That's our overall concept,
  Norma Wall: Um
  Alicia Douglas: and it's gonna look sort of vegetable, and be in bright vegetable colours.
  Norma Wall: Uh-huh. So w w would with have the spinning wheel inside with the L_C_D_, or would it be on the outer
  Alicia Douglas: I think
  Dorothy Sanchez: Imagine
  Alicia Douglas: it's on
  Dorothy Sanchez: it would
  Alicia Douglas: the
  Dorothy Sanchez: be inside.
  Norma Wall: Okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: So um actually that could
  Colleen Shivers: Mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: like really cut down your thing, so you've got your outside, which is like minimalist,
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: and then you open it up and
  Norma Wall: Yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: you've got
  Norma Wall: okay.
  Dorothy Sanchez: a screen and a spinning wheel, which you can incorporate buttons into.
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-mm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Um so you've
  Alicia Douglas: Yeah.
  Dorothy Sanchez: still not got like a lot of stuff in the
  Alicia Douglas: On the
  Dorothy Sanchez: You've maybe got, you know like if you're modelling on iPod you've got five buttons and
  Alicia Douglas: Mm-hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: a wheel, and four of the buttons are in the wheel, and the other one's the little bit inside the
  Alicia Douglas: In
  Dorothy Sanchez: wheel,
  Alicia Douglas: the centre, yeah,
  Dorothy Sanchez: yeah.
  Norma Wall: Mm yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: sure. Okay, so now we've got thirty minutes before our next meeting. In the meantime, Colleen Shivers over here is gonna work on the look and feel design,
  Colleen Shivers: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: which I'll presume he'll work out what that means. Um Norma Wall will work on the user interface design and Dorothy Sanchez is going to work on product evaluation. And as well as that, the two designers are going to work together on our prototype following those instructions that we've just come up with using modelling clay and you will get extra
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: instructions from your
  Colleen Shivers: Cool.
  Alicia Douglas: personal coach. Is that all okay? And anyone
  Norma Wall: Yeah.
  Alicia Douglas: who hasn't put their their presentation in the project documents
  Colleen Shivers: Yeah,
  Alicia Douglas: folder,
  Colleen Shivers: okay.
  Alicia Douglas: it would be good just so in case
  Norma Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Alicia Douglas: we have to refer to it.
  Dorothy Sanchez: Cool, I'm gonna go and sit on my own.
  Alicia Douglas: Y ah nobody wants to talk to you.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I know,
  Alicia Douglas: Unplug yourself.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I'm hated.
  Norma Wall: Hmm.
  Dorothy Sanchez: I've got a bit tangled up in all this.
  Norma Wall: So but shall I move away first or shall I stay here with
  Alicia Douglas: I dunno, maybe
  Norma Wall: we need to
  Alicia Douglas: I would car
Updated Content: Alicia Douglas opens the meeting by stating the agenda. Colleen Shivers begins presenting, first describing the insides of a remote control. He lists the options for types of batteries, shapes for the remote case, materials to use, and functions to include such as push buttons, scroll wheels, and LCD screens. He then talks about the type of chip certain features would require. The interface specialist begins presenting, first defining user interface and then showing some examples of remotes. She mentions that many existing remotes do not have a nice appearance, and states her preference for a remote that is small and simple and contains a scrolling wheel. Dorothy Sanchez gives her presentation about user requirements and current trends. She shares that fruits and vegetables are popular, meaning curviness and assymetry are in. The group decides to use LCD screens to give the remote style. They discuss what material should be used, talk about how the surface of the case should look, and plan out the general user interface. After they make some decisions about the remote, Alicia Douglas closes the meeting by telling them what their tasks will be until the next meeting.