Extracted Content: Michael Mitchell: Is that alright now? Okay. Sorry? Okay, everybody all set to start the meeting? Okay, we've got half an hour for this one
  Federico Trevathan: Could you plug
  Michael Mitchell: um
  Federico Trevathan: Federico Trevathan in?
  Michael Mitchell: to uh discuss the um functional design.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay. Thanks.
  Michael Mitchell: All ready to go? Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Um so hopefully you've all been working away, and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder. Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time. Um kind of uh got to each other a little bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project, you know, cost-wise how much how much money we had to s
  Michael Mitchell: Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements, um which is the The first one is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is. Nobody uses teletext very much anymore,
  Federico Trevathan: 'Kay.
  Michael Mitchell: so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the of the remote control. Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television, not the V_C_R_, D_V_D_ or anything else. I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production, the time to market.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: So um, we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_. And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design. Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is. It might be yellow, because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere.
  Federico Trevathan: And the slogan, like the actual written slogan, or just to embody the idea of the slogan?
  Michael Mitchell: Well that's the thing, I'm I'm not sure um uh th because on the the company website, uh what does it say
  Federico Trevathan: 'Bout
  Michael Mitchell: Uh something
  Federico Trevathan: putting the fashion in electronics.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Dennis Stuckey: Mm yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: I mean do they Is that something they want actually written on it, 'cause it's quite long. Um or yeah, just the idea, but I'm not sure. So that's something we can discuss as well. So those are the three things, just not to worry about teletext, uh only control the T_V_, and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company. Um so is everybody okay with any of that, or do you want Federico Trevathan to recap at all?
  Dennis Stuckey: Nope, we're all set.
  Michael Mitchell: Right um, time for presentations then. Who would like to go first?
  James Boyer: I'll go first.
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay, cool.
  James Boyer: Alright um, I st steal this from the back of your laptop?
  Michael Mitchell: Oh
  James Boyer: Uh
  Michael Mitchell: yeah, of course, yeah. G go on ahead.
  James Boyer: so this is the technical functions design. Um Right to do the um the design I have I've had a look online, I've had a look at the homepage, which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  James Boyer: Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer about the design at the end of the meeting. Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room, so
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  James Boyer: Um, having a look at the existing products, I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes, there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons, lots of colours, very confusing, you don't know what you're doing. Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad. Um there's an example I'll show you at the end, um sh show you now. Uh
  Michael Mitchell: Alright.
  James Boyer: here um the button there and there. This one's prog. Sorry. That one's perg and that one's prog, and it doesn't really tell you what it does.
  James Boyer: Um, not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example. Um it's a very simple one. It's got only the basic functions mm but um it's the same size as the the
  Michael Mitchell: Oop.
  James Boyer: hard to use one. Uh it looked a bit clunky. They're very big and not very much use for buttons. Um, and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions. There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button. Um, my own preferences, I prefer the the clunky one. Um it's very easy to use. Um but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls. Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer, or something like tha from the bottom of it. So, now I'd like to ask for your preferences. Um not sure of how long we've got, uh
  Michael Mitchell: Um. Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: at most. Just a couple of minutes anyway.
  Federico Trevathan: M yeah, like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what Craig's just gone over. So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: But anyway, um
  Michael Mitchell: Shall we sh well
  Federico Trevathan: we might
  Michael Mitchell: we'll
  Federico Trevathan: come
  Michael Mitchell: stick
  Federico Trevathan: to that later.
  Dennis Stuckey: Which
  Michael Mitchell: to kind
  Dennis Stuckey: which
  Michael Mitchell: of
  Dennis Stuckey: is
  Michael Mitchell: your
  Dennis Stuckey: the clunky
  Michael Mitchell: area
  Dennis Stuckey: one,
  Michael Mitchell: for now.
  Dennis Stuckey: the one on left
  James Boyer: Um,
  Dennis Stuckey: or
  James Boyer: the
  Dennis Stuckey: on
  James Boyer: clunky
  Dennis Stuckey: the
  James Boyer: one
  Dennis Stuckey: right?..
  James Boyer: is the one on the right.
  Dennis Stuckey: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Um clunky in what sense, like um h heavier? Larger?
  James Boyer: Um I think it's supposed to be the same size, but um it's got much fewer buttons. It's, you know,
  Federico Trevathan: I see, so
  James Boyer: it's
  Federico Trevathan: it's more
  James Boyer: very
  Federico Trevathan: just
  James Boyer: spread out
  Michael Mitchell: Looks
  James Boyer: and
  Federico Trevathan: basic.
  Michael Mitchell: kind
  James Boyer: kind
  Michael Mitchell: of
  James Boyer: of
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Right, okay.
  James Boyer: you know, I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  James Boyer: got very few buttons on
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  James Boyer: it and
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: Well I think it's a valid point. I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated, and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing is incredibly confusing. Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design, but yeah you don't want to lose out on, you know, what it does,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: so maybe you know you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open, I think that's a
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: good idea. I
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: think it's a good idea.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  James Boyer: Um, do we have any functions that um we'd want on it? I mean so far I've got um on and off,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  James Boyer: um switch the channel up and down, and put the volume up and down.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh.
  James Boyer: Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh, and then actual numbers for channels as well, yeah.
  James Boyer: Okay. Um, you say that's a h a required one or a requested one?
  Federico Trevathan: Which
  James Boyer: Would you
  Federico Trevathan: was that?
  James Boyer: like um the channels like the the numbers
  Federico Trevathan: Up
  James Boyer: on
  Federico Trevathan: the numbers,
  James Boyer: thing,
  Federico Trevathan: or the up down?
  Michael Mitchell: God,
  James Boyer: um
  Michael Mitchell: I wou I would say that's required, I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: select channels, I mean would anybody disagree
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: with that? Um, what else, uh So don't need to worry about teletext, don't need to worry about V_C_R_, uh any kind of
  Federico Trevathan: We
  Michael Mitchell: like
  Federico Trevathan: don't?
  Michael Mitchell: display
  Federico Trevathan: No?
  Michael Mitchell: controls at all do you think we need to worry about, you know like
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: brightness and contrast?
  Federico Trevathan: Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising. We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  Federico Trevathan: sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area? Is that right? Is that what we're
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  James Boyer: Um,
  Federico Trevathan: we're doing? We're kind
  James Boyer: yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: of like sorting them an Or
  James Boyer: Um
  Federico Trevathan: are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have?
  Michael Mitchell: I think are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would
  James Boyer: Uh,
  Michael Mitchell: be nice?
  James Boyer: to start with um sort of a bit both, um we need to find out exactly what we have to have
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  James Boyer: um and after that we can add things if they're possible.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay, right. Well, do you wanna maybe just, at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: a p as a function of this.
  Federico Trevathan: Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: Um, so so far, just to recap you've got
  James Boyer: There's um
  Michael Mitchell: volume
  James Boyer: on and off,
  Michael Mitchell: and channel
  James Boyer: um
  Michael Mitchell: control and
  James Boyer: volume and channel, and skip to certain channels with the numbers.
  Michael Mitchell: Right okay. Um
  Federico Trevathan: Well, one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types, so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm
  Federico Trevathan: go.
  Michael Mitchell: yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible. For example
  Michael Mitchell: Oka
  Federico Trevathan: if we had audio controls, those could be something people set up very rarely. Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: but covered up um, things like channel and volume um are used all the time, so we just have them right out on top, um very just very sort of self-explanatory. Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls, you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip. And others that are uh also available and then others that are concealed. Something
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: like that.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh well, just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section Have I just lost Oh no. Um, uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements, and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that, maybe like a mute button, that sort of thing.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Any of you anything to add to that at all?
  Dennis Stuckey: No.
  Michael Mitchell: No.
  Dennis Stuckey: I'll add it later, I guess the
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: presentation.
  Michael Mitchell: right.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Um okay, if we can move on to next presentation then please.
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: Um
  James Boyer: Do
  Michael Mitchell: Do
  James Boyer: you
  Michael Mitchell: you wanna
  James Boyer: want to
  Federico Trevathan: Can
  James Boyer: switch places?
  Federico Trevathan: this can this pl reach? Can this plug
  Dennis Stuckey: No.
  Federico Trevathan: come across?
  Michael Mitchell: Probably
  Dennis Stuckey: No.
  Michael Mitchell: not, actually.
  Federico Trevathan: No. So why don't I just pick up and move
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: then. Here, I'll just Why don't I just
  Federico Trevathan: Mm
  James Boyer: Just just switch them.
  Federico Trevathan: er, can you go up behind Federico Trevathan? Kinda This is so This
  Michael Mitchell: bit complicated. It'd
  Federico Trevathan: I'm all in
  Michael Mitchell: be
  Federico Trevathan: a
  Michael Mitchell: nice
  Federico Trevathan: knot
  Michael Mitchell: if everything
  Federico Trevathan: now.
  Michael Mitchell: was wireless, wouldn't it?
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Right.
  Federico Trevathan: Um. So I can I can say already, I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind of uh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh
  Michael Mitchell: Oh, like
  Federico Trevathan: the things.
  Michael Mitchell: overlap between
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah,
  Michael Mitchell: what you said?
  Federico Trevathan: yeah. Which
  Michael Mitchell: that
  Federico Trevathan: is ma not
  Michael Mitchell: that'll happen.
  Federico Trevathan: necessarily a bad thing, but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's the cumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine, because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely. Obviously
  Michael Mitchell: Mm hard to know what
  Federico Trevathan: obviously
  Michael Mitchell: where your
  Federico Trevathan: what
  Michael Mitchell: role
  Federico Trevathan: you've just
  Michael Mitchell: ends,
  Federico Trevathan: told
  Michael Mitchell: yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Federico Trevathan what you've just told Federico Trevathan impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been So
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: how do I how do I get
  Dennis Stuckey: Um
  Federico Trevathan: this
  Dennis Stuckey: function
  Federico Trevathan: up?
  Dennis Stuckey: F_ eight.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh pr yeah, press
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: function and F_ eight, yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay. Alright. So F_ eight?
  Dennis Stuckey: Function, the blue button. Next to the control on the left.
  Federico Trevathan: Oh, and F_
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  Federico Trevathan: eight.
  Dennis Stuckey: You
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: have to push it together.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay, I think that that's doing it now.
  Dennis Stuckey: Nope. Try that again.
  Federico Trevathan: Uh, again?
  James Boyer: Think maybe the
  Dennis Stuckey: Wait.
  James Boyer: the wire in the back might be loose.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah, you wanna
  Federico Trevathan: Um,
  Michael Mitchell: Oh oh here
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep,
  Michael Mitchell: we
  Federico Trevathan: okay
  Dennis Stuckey: there
  Michael Mitchell: go.
  Dennis Stuckey: we
  Federico Trevathan: great.
  Dennis Stuckey: go.
  Michael Mitchell: There you go.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay. Just um Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's now becomes a collective thing. And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding, 'kay what what are our options, what should we decide and do you know what I mean, so.
  Dennis Stuckey: Increase
  Michael Mitchell: Um
  Dennis Stuckey: that 'cause see the
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: That's much better.
  Michael Mitchell: Right. Can you um
  Dennis Stuckey: There
  Michael Mitchell: Right,
  Dennis Stuckey: you go.
  Michael Mitchell: okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay. Alright. That would be Okay. So um does that make sense? So what I basically got is I just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities. 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through. So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs, that we start with the customer, and w you know, what they want and what are issues with with um existing products. Uh to think about trends and also about try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics. Um and then, as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um
  Dennis Stuckey: Bouncing on top.
  Federico Trevathan: Dunno. Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Um. found here, um a lot of this is new to Federico Trevathan, so we'll just read through together. Um, users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls. So they find them ugly. Most people find them ugly. Um the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well, we'll see later, the vast majority would spend more money for um slightly more intuitive control, such as
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: voice recognition. Okay I'm gonna we'll look at that in a second. Um most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls. So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology, they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't doesn't really appeal to them.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like if for Federico Trevathan this is sorta like three different different um inspirations, you know, one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy. And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side, we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people's hands. Um, frustrations. They get lost a lot, s as it came up in our last meeting. Um, takes time to learn how to use them. This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls, so d it doesn't just look like a big panel, kinda like when you you look at, you know, a new computer keyboard, or something that is quite explanatory. If you want audio, if you want visual, then you have those. Um and I will admit I don't know what R_S_I_ stands for.
  Michael Mitchell: Repetitive strain injury.
  Dennis Stuckey: Is installing a new remote control something that people
  Federico Trevathan: Uh, no, that did not come up at all. Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things. I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voice recognition. Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control. So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it. Um. And and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this, I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleek
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: and trendy. Um people uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products, so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can um put that into a unit which is which people like. You know,
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics.
  Michael Mitchell: So want something that looks good and is easy to use,
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: big priorities.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah,
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell Federico Trevathan that maybe what we wanna do is try and um separate the different things that we wanna include in this. So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology. You know, it's like like I find a lot of T_V_s these days, something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can, but they have little panels where you click
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  Federico Trevathan: and there's just like tons of features
  Michael Mitchell: So
  Federico Trevathan: you
  Michael Mitchell: it
  Federico Trevathan: go
  Michael Mitchell: you
  Federico Trevathan: through.
  Michael Mitchell: wanna group all the different kind of
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: types of functions together, you know. That's I think
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: it's a good idea.
  Federico Trevathan: That's s that's sort of the um But I I'm my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay, well how do we collectively move
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: on with it. Um
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea, although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: and then use that. But not let that confine us technologically.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: So
  Michael Mitchell: Right.
  Federico Trevathan: Alright? Any um comments on all of that?
  Michael Mitchell: Well, um
  Federico Trevathan: That's
  Michael Mitchell: one
  Federico Trevathan: uh
  Michael Mitchell: of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um who's our our target audience, our target market.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Um, so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use, but has y is fairly powerful product, whatever, who do we really want to aim that at?
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: I mean
  Federico Trevathan: Where's the money, maybe.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah, who wou who would have the money to spend.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Well i if
  Federico Trevathan: And who watches
  Michael Mitchell: if like
  Federico Trevathan: T_V_.
  Michael Mitchell: twenty five Euro is our is our selling price
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: then you can imagine, well I don't I'm not really sure how much that will
  Federico Trevathan: Mm.
  Michael Mitchell: retail at. But you want it's somebody who's not gonna just use the remote that comes with their telly, I suppose,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: they're gonna actually go out and buy one.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: So, who do you think we're aiming this at?
  Dennis Stuckey: Um, I think it'll be the mid range to the high end market, in terms of people. 'Cause twenty five Euros for a remote, how much is that lo locally in pounds?
  Michael Mitchell: It's about sixteen, seventeen pounds, I think.
  Dennis Stuckey: Is that too is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Dennis Stuckey: remote?
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Right. Um so maybe not the high end range, but maybe middle, middle up-ish.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Kind of. You know how much? I dunno I guess you pay,
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: what, ten ten quid for a remote? Like a simple replacement,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: right. I mean if you lost your remote and the first thing
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Dennis Stuckey: you just wanna go
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: out and get,
  Michael Mitchell: yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: This
  Dennis Stuckey: would you
  Federico Trevathan: this
  Dennis Stuckey: how much
  Federico Trevathan: kinda
  Dennis Stuckey: would you
  Federico Trevathan: touches
  Dennis Stuckey: pay?
  Federico Trevathan: on your comments there, David. These are the age groups which we
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: have information on and these are this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature. Just
  Michael Mitchell: Okay
  Federico Trevathan: gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on T_V_ equipment is.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Mostly focused around the twenty five age group.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah, so do you think we're we're aiming at a fairly young market then?
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Federico Trevathan: Sort of young professional, kind
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Federico Trevathan: of. Mm-hmm
  Michael Mitchell: okay.
  James Boyer: Um
  Michael Mitchell: Um do you think then uh voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider? What what do you think, Craig?
  James Boyer: Well, did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition? Sort of the
  Federico Trevathan: Uh,
  James Boyer: the older
  Federico Trevathan: yeah,
  James Boyer: group.
  Federico Trevathan: it's the Yep.
  James Boyer: Uh
  Federico Trevathan: It
  James Boyer: f
  Federico Trevathan: does it does fit with the market that we're sort of identifying,
  Michael Mitchell: N yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: in terms of
  Michael Mitchell: I think we are gonna have to narrow it down, to say let's target these
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: people and give them what they want and
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: 'cause you know,
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: there needs to be some kind of
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: selling point to
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: it. So um anybody anything there to add Just kind of young professionals, uh th like if we are going to include speech recognition, it's kind of between fifteen and thirty five seems to be like a really high response to that.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: So we could say
  Dennis Stuckey: I
  Michael Mitchell: that
  Dennis Stuckey: I
  Michael Mitchell: was
  Dennis Stuckey: think
  Michael Mitchell: our target.
  Dennis Stuckey: twenty five to thirty five is is is fair to add that in as
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: a group
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: as well because
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: that's more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah,
  Dennis Stuckey: and use your technology.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay, so fifteen to thirty five, look fairly young.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: You know, they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: I think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: who are familiar with their with computers in in their everyday work.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: I think people who are maybe about
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: I wouldn't say thirty five, but people who are about
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: forty-ish and above now
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: would
  Federico Trevathan: But
  Dennis Stuckey: not
  Federico Trevathan: yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: be so dependent and reliant on a computer
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: or
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah,
  Dennis Stuckey: a mobile
  Federico Trevathan: sure.
  Dennis Stuckey: phone or something like that.
  Michael Mitchell: So
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: So these are people who are gadgety, right? People
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: who are u growing up used to, you know in schools and in universities, when you go on to their working lives,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: people who would
  Michael Mitchell: So
  Dennis Stuckey: you
  Michael Mitchell: they'll
  Dennis Stuckey: know regular
  Michael Mitchell: not sh not shy
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: away from something
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: quite high-tech.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: That that's
  Dennis Stuckey: Mm.
  Michael Mitchell: that's a good point. Um okay, so um so shall we make the decision uh to include speech recognition
  Federico Trevathan: If we can.
  Michael Mitchell: if we can.
  Dennis Stuckey: I I think
  James Boyer: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now,
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: because
  Michael Mitchell: Why is that?
  Dennis Stuckey: um, based on what you've go y everybody's saying, right, you want something simple. You want basic stuff and you want something that's easy to use. Speech recognition might not be the simplest thing
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: for somebody
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: to use.
  Federico Trevathan: Could it be an on off thing?
  Dennis Stuckey: Um,
  Federico Trevathan: Like if you want it
  Michael Mitchell: Where you can
  Dennis Stuckey: but
  Michael Mitchell: activate
  Dennis Stuckey: what
  Federico Trevathan: on
  Dennis Stuckey: I'm saying
  Michael Mitchell: it and
  Dennis Stuckey: is
  Michael Mitchell: deactivate
  Dennis Stuckey: that we're
  Michael Mitchell: it?
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: we're trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we're
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: gonna say,
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: and then, you know,
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Dennis Stuckey: say speech recognition is good for this, speech recognition is not good for this.
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Dennis Stuckey: So
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: maybe we should I suggest
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: that we think about speech recognition,
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Dennis Stuckey: anyway it's a it's something that can be used to fulfil a function, but
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh.
  Dennis Stuckey: at end of the day we don't look at the technology, but
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: we look at the function first.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Sure. Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh okay, well do you wanna um give us your presentation
  Dennis Stuckey: Okay, sure.
  Michael Mitchell: and then then we can I
  Federico Trevathan: Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: don't know um might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss,
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah,
  Michael Mitchell: but
  Federico Trevathan: it's
  Michael Mitchell: this is
  Federico Trevathan: good
  Michael Mitchell: this
  Federico Trevathan: well
  Michael Mitchell: is
  Federico Trevathan: it's
  Michael Mitchell: how we're
  Federico Trevathan: good to get ideas out while
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Federico Trevathan: they're fresh in mind.
  Michael Mitchell: exactly, yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Um
  Michael Mitchell: Oh it's something that's just occurred to Federico Trevathan as well is if we make it um speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition, that's appealing to people um maybe with
  Federico Trevathan: Not
  Michael Mitchell: a physical disability as well.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Um.
  Federico Trevathan: And not losing. And also it helps in terms of people not losing this, you know they
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: they're saying oh it's I lose it in the couch.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: like we're kind of what we're b sort of getting in into here is mating different uh design features
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Federico Trevathan: together that they
  James Boyer: I reckon one problem with speech recognition is um I've actually seen one of them used and uh the technology that was in that one wasn't particularly amazing, so you end up yelling at the control for hours.
  Michael Mitchell: Really?
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  James Boyer: Channel up.
  Federico Trevathan: Oh really, you've seen one before.
  Michael Mitchell: Do you think maybe we need like
  James Boyer: Um
  Michael Mitchell: further advances in that kind of area until it's worthwhile incorporating
  James Boyer: I think it'd
  Michael Mitchell: it
  James Boyer: probably
  Michael Mitchell: though?
  James Boyer: quite expensive
  Dennis Stuckey: Sorry, do
  James Boyer: to
  Dennis Stuckey: you mind passing
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  James Boyer: put in.
  Dennis Stuckey: Federico Trevathan my
  Michael Mitchell: Course
  Dennis Stuckey: notepad.
  Michael Mitchell: not.
  Dennis Stuckey: Thanks. Cool,
  Michael Mitchell: There you go.
  Dennis Stuckey: um. Okay. Um.
  Michael Mitchell: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: Well this is just the working design
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: um. Well this is just what how I would go about it. Um I guess I try to define like what we're doing now, try to define what we're trying to get done. Um
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: I think in a practical way, we kind of know what it is. We've used it, we're familiar with it, but we're we can't n we haven't narrowed down um exactly what the things we're trying to fulfil, like Besides the basics, I think back in the back of our minds we know what the basics are. Has to change channels, has to change volume, but in like specifics, right, which one of the basics are you trying to target.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics? Um and I just the idea is just to get everybody to um I usually have a have have a design that's there as a basic, so, you know, things that to start everything going. But I guess everybody does have some idea, so I don't think um there's a need for that. Um okay this finding things is a little bit confusing, so I'll go into the diagram first. It just explains how the process goes through,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: from a from the basic technology point of view, the basic steps that you need um in the diagram and in this slide probably works better. Um okay, you need some power source. 'Kay, a battery or something,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: to keep it going. Um and that power source is important because it ties you down to um how long the device will last.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies um how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: that you want. Like for example, voice recognition, right. might be constrained because that you might need to power a microphone, you might need to power other things, so that's one perhaps constraint there. Um Th Okay, the basic thing is there's a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes, whatever.
  Michael Mitchell: Hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: You know, and that um picks up an input from a user, um uh a logic a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device, and the device has to r you know, based on you push button A_, so I will do something with button A_. So maybe button
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: A_ is the power button,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: okay. Um and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here. Um and I think that's about it in terms of my design um. It's fairly general, um and I guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: in in the way you're thinking, like um voice recognition, right, um, if it's something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we don't have enough power. So it's not
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: really a constraint in that sense,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: but I mean these are functionally, you know, the base,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: what
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: the technology has to do.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um so I guess the rest of it I think we should maybe you you wanna go back to what the functions are? I think that's
  Federico Trevathan: 'Kay.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh.
  Dennis Stuckey: more relevant to a discussion?
  Michael Mitchell: Well, do
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: you wan do you wanna finish up
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: your your whole presentation
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah, w I'm done.
  Michael Mitchell: then? Are you are you all done?
  Dennis Stuckey: More or less. Yeah. Ps Oh, it's just putting the rest of it into words, but it's essentially
  Federico Trevathan: Yep.
  Dennis Stuckey: the same thing.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um you have a transmitter, an input
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: device, logic chip, you know, stuff
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: like that. Um
  Michael Mitchell: Right.
  Federico Trevathan: And like on the means
  Dennis Stuckey: I guess this would
  Federico Trevathan: b
  Dennis Stuckey: be
  Federico Trevathan: Since we're on the topic of the technology,
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Federico Trevathan: uh are there any like what are our options? Alright, what's what i in Is this the only way that we go about it, or are there
  Dennis Stuckey: Um,
  Federico Trevathan: other
  Dennis Stuckey: these these
  Federico Trevathan: thin
  Dennis Stuckey: aren't technology options in that sense.
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: This is just um
  Federico Trevathan: The basic
  Dennis Stuckey: a
  Federico Trevathan: principle
  Dennis Stuckey: basic
  Federico Trevathan: of
  Dennis Stuckey: principles
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: and
  Federico Trevathan: 'Kay.
  Dennis Stuckey: basic components that are needed.
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: For example, if you needed um if you needed to add uh a voice recognition, right, then your user interface would be split, broken down into more components,
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: right, which you have a microphone,
  Michael Mitchell: Oh.
  Dennis Stuckey: the V_R_
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: and stuff like that.
  Michael Mitchell: So this just show how
  Dennis Stuckey: Uh
  Michael Mitchell: we're kind of modularising the whole
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: thing. Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep. So each component represents one function,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: but I think the basic functions are the logic, the transmitter, um and the receiver,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: okay, and the power are things that you won't have to care about.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: we'll add more functionality to it.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the T_V_ for example.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Okay,
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: um are we gonna restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra-red
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: thing? Because that's something you need to actually be physically be pointing to.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: Right.
  Michael Mitchell: Well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect um how long how long it took us to get this to market, so I th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about uh how we transmit it
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: um because I mean it it's tried and tested intra-red, so
  Dennis Stuckey: There might
  Michael Mitchell: we
  Dennis Stuckey: be
  Michael Mitchell: could
  Dennis Stuckey: one
  Michael Mitchell: stay with tha
  Dennis Stuckey: other problem with the transmission, um in particular right now, since we're talking about voice recognition. Um if somebody's gonna h talk to the device, you ideally
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm
  Dennis Stuckey: want them to hold it to them.
  Michael Mitchell: Oh,
  Dennis Stuckey: I it
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Michael Mitchell: yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: you may not require that, but
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: you know, um it's it's it's something very natural, I guess,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Dennis Stuckey: you know, to
  Michael Mitchell: mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: hold it, to signal to the user, and push a button maybe to start s talking
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: about it. Then you need to send the signal out, so
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  Dennis Stuckey: because if you're using infra-red, the line of sight
  Michael Mitchell: Mm.
  Dennis Stuckey: um say the T_V_'s at that chair, and I'm standing in front of here and the transmitter is here,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: it blocks it.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: So in that sense, there's not really a restriction but it's something which
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: you may have to think about later on in the process.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Not so much
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: further
  Federico Trevathan: And
  Dennis Stuckey: down.
  Federico Trevathan: um just a clarification before we finish this. Uh does c is our controller is it have the option of being um on a standard uh frequency as all of the other equipment, so that the one controller can control
  Dennis Stuckey: There's there's not much specific
  Federico Trevathan: several pieces of
  Dennis Stuckey: specific
  Federico Trevathan: equipment?
  Dennis Stuckey: information,
  Michael Mitchell: W
  Dennis Stuckey: but I think that um one indication of infra-red mean that you're just targeting traditional devices.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Because
  Michael Mitchell: W
  Dennis Stuckey: infra-red is something which everybody has.
  Michael Mitchell: Well well we've um In the new requirement spec they said just to focus
  Federico Trevathan: Just
  Michael Mitchell: on
  Federico Trevathan: to
  Michael Mitchell: the T_V_,
  Federico Trevathan: T_V_, okay.
  Michael Mitchell: so that's what we should do for now I think.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Something I was wondering about was the power. Um, is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries? I mean is that something we really want to go into, do you think, or should we
  Dennis Stuckey: There's
  Michael Mitchell: just consider
  Dennis Stuckey: a there's
  Michael Mitchell: running
  Dennis Stuckey: Okay,
  Michael Mitchell: on
  Dennis Stuckey: from
  Michael Mitchell: regular
  Dennis Stuckey: from
  Michael Mitchell: batteries?
  Dennis Stuckey: a from a component point of view there's added complexity,
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh.
  Dennis Stuckey: and you add cost to it,
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh.
  Dennis Stuckey: um and then there's probably the fact that you need another physical component. You need a docking cradle, for
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: example,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: for you to
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: put it in to charge.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Or you need to get the user to plug it in. Um
  Michael Mitchell: Okay, so
  Dennis Stuckey: and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: the controller. But unless the controller's gonna consume a lot of batteries, like he's gonna run through like
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: twenty batteries a month, then I don't think rechargeable is something we should you know, we
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  Dennis Stuckey: really
  Michael Mitchell: so
  Dennis Stuckey: need
  Michael Mitchell: just
  Dennis Stuckey: to
  Michael Mitchell: stick to to regular
  Dennis Stuckey: care about. Um.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay. Um, right. So basically the um I'm just gonna just recap uh what I said at the start, was that um the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalise who we're gonna aim this at, and
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: what exactly the product's gonna do.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: So um just to recap on Are we all happy about the idea of um aiming the product at um the fifteen to thirty five bracket?
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah,
  Michael Mitchell: Um
  Federico Trevathan: that's
  Michael Mitchell: and
  Federico Trevathan: good.
  Michael Mitchell: also the funct the the actual functions of what it's gonna do. Do you wanna recap on that, Craig?
  James Boyer: Um. I think we just say that it was gonna be the the most basic stuff possible. Um on off, up and down channels, up and down volume and uh skip to a channel.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  James Boyer: Ta.
  Federico Trevathan: And
  Michael Mitchell: right.
  Federico Trevathan: is it going to include any of the uh the more advanced features, or are we gonna eliminate those?
  James Boyer: Um I think we include mute, but apart from that um I think we just we'll go for the simpleness.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Okay,
  Federico Trevathan: R
  Dennis Stuckey: I
  Federico Trevathan: is
  Dennis Stuckey: think
  Federico Trevathan: it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under like sort of under a door
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  James Boyer: Yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: it's
  Federico Trevathan: or
  Michael Mitchell: as
  Federico Trevathan: some
  Michael Mitchell: optional functions.
  Federico Trevathan: 'Cause what what I'm I'd be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they, you know, w they get ours and w it's doesn't have that. I dunno
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: if that'd be a problem.
  Dennis Stuckey: Another thing that you were saying about categorising the controls?
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um maybe I could suggest we we break them down into three simple categories.
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah. Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: One would be audio controls,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: one would be video controls,
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: and the other one would be a device. Um this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially, but I think that um from a manufacturer's point of view,
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: from a person designing the device, but I think from a point of view of a person using the device, you know a T_V_ is something they see and something they hear,
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: um it's something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: I mean like
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: so what we could have is like three buckets, right, where we could throw things into, like if we want this feature, let's throw it into there,
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: and then from there decide whether it's basic, or it's non-basic.
  Federico Trevathan: 'Kay, okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: I mean
  Federico Trevathan: Like
  Dennis Stuckey: it
  Federico Trevathan: that.
  Dennis Stuckey: might help with the visualisation.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: And it would actually help with the component build
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: as well.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm okay, great.
  Michael Mitchell: right. Um, okay well I gotta kind of got five minutes to wrap up now. Um next thing we're doing is having lunch. Whoohoo. Um and then we're gonna have thirty minutes of working on the next stage. Um so I'll be putting the minutes of this uh this meeting into the project documents folder.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: Um so uh I guess just to just to confirm that we know what we're doing in the next well
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: in the thirty minutes after lunch anyway, um for uh our Industrial Designer, you're gonna be thinking about the components concept. Um User Interface Designer gonna be thinking about our user interface, and marketing you're gonna be thinking about trend watching. Um and you'll all get specific instructions as well. So um I dunno, just just to to ask now if you've got anything else you've thought about while we've been talking. Um, do you wanna start with David. Anything else to say at all?
  Dennis Stuckey: Mm no, not
  Michael Mitchell: No,
  Dennis Stuckey: really.
  Michael Mitchell: okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Um
  Michael Mitchell: Andrew?
  Federico Trevathan: yeah, just I just wanted to ask then before we wrap up, shall we agree for sake of um sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we'll u use this idea David's proposed, where we think of these three sort of buckets and
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah,
  Federico Trevathan: anything
  Michael Mitchell: yeah I think
  Federico Trevathan: anything
  Michael Mitchell: that's definitely
  Federico Trevathan: we discuss
  Michael Mitchell: a good
  Federico Trevathan: about
  Michael Mitchell: idea.
  Federico Trevathan: them is sort of, okay, we're talking about this.
  Michael Mitchell: Uh-huh.
  Federico Trevathan: Shall we
  Dennis Stuckey: Mm.
  Federico Trevathan: do that, then?
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay, great.
  James Boyer: Um just about the three buckets, um what would go in the the device functions one?
  Dennis Stuckey: Um things like on off. Because they don't have anything to do with what you see.
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: I Federico Trevathan mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value, you know, um
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: so um
  Federico Trevathan: And
  James Boyer: Um
  Federico Trevathan: and channel.
  Dennis Stuckey: And channel.
  Federico Trevathan: Right.
  Dennis Stuckey: Because the on off also goes, you know, like on off like power, not on off sound. Not
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: on off video. Although you don't turn off the video on your T_V_, but um you
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: might wanna you know turn off the sound, say you wanna pick up the phone, there's a mute button, right, so
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: you you have you have a choice of putting it on to um others or a device. Device is basically anything which we can't categorise, right.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  Dennis Stuckey: We
  Michael Mitchell: so
  Dennis Stuckey: put it
  Michael Mitchell: you're
  Dennis Stuckey: out.
  Michael Mitchell: gonna have um audio which is gonna be like you know your bass settings and
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: actual volume
  Dennis Stuckey: Yeah, anything to do with
  Michael Mitchell: hi
  Dennis Stuckey: what you hear, right.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: You you put that into audio.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: And
  Michael Mitchell: and then
  Dennis Stuckey: then
  Michael Mitchell: visual
  Dennis Stuckey: video is anything that you can see.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay,
  Dennis Stuckey: Um.
  Michael Mitchell: so brightness, contrast,
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: things like that,
  Federico Trevathan: Colour, yeah.
  Michael Mitchell: and then just actual device things,
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Michael Mitchell: like
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: what channel you're watching,
  Federico Trevathan: Sure.
  Michael Mitchell: turning on an off,
  Dennis Stuckey: Yep.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: stuff like that. Okay,
  Federico Trevathan: And
  Michael Mitchell: um
  Federico Trevathan: then k I suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more
  Dennis Stuckey: Like
  Michael Mitchell: Mm-hmm.
  Dennis Stuckey: random which we
  Federico Trevathan: Yeah.
  Dennis Stuckey: have no other place to put,
  Michael Mitchell: Yeah.
  Federico Trevathan: Sure,
  Dennis Stuckey: but we
  Federico Trevathan: okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: need it somewhere there.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: Um even even if it doesn't map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind. It's easy to use, I think that's one thing that um and I guess from the component point of
  Michael Mitchell: Okay.
  Dennis Stuckey: view it's easy to build as well 'cause things are like fixed.
  Federico Trevathan: Okay.
  Michael Mitchell: Okay. Um so yeah, I guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it's gotta look good, because of who we're we're, you know, targeting this at. Um something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe.
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: Make it kind of ergonomic kind of to
  Federico Trevathan: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Mitchell: hold, you know, things like that. Um, so I guess I guess that's it.
  Federico Trevathan: Great.
  Michael Mitchell: That's the meeting over. Whoohoo.
  Federico Trevathan: Then we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us.
Updated Content: Michael Mitchell briefed the team on some new requirements to consider when designing the remote. James Boyer presented two existing products and discussed what was wrong with each product. The team discussed how to create a remote which did not include the problems present in the existing products presented by the interface specialist. Federico Trevathan presented consumer preferences and requirements and the team discussed who their target demographic should be and whether to include speech recognition in their product. Dennis Stuckey discussed the interior workings of a remote and the team discussed various options for components and energy sources. The team then discussed features to include in the remote and what they could do to figure out how to categorize them.