Extracted Content: Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: Mm yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay. I g yeah. Time it?
  Danny Kuter: Fourteen twenty six.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay. Lovely to see you all again. Um it's our conceptual design meeting and it's starting at approximately fourteen twenty five and so we have forty minutes for this one again and so we'll go just after three o'clock. Um okay our agenda, we're gonna do an opening, I'm gonna review the minutes of the last meeting, then we'll have your three presentations um and then we'll have to make a decision on the remote control concepts, and we'll close.
  Robert Goldman: Okay.
  Anthony Lenard: So opening. Um these are our minutes from r the functional design. We decided our target group is the focus on who can afford it, because we have international appeal and we said it's for all age groups, different um functions of it. Our main objectives were simplicity and fashion. And s um in specific functions are something to keep the remote from getting lost, large buttons for the essential functions, a possibility for extra functions, like a sliding a sliding piece and a long-life battery or a charging station. Okay, now three presentations. I'd like to do it in this order, first do the conceptual specification of components, properties and materials um
  Robert Goldman: That would be Danny Kuter.
  Anthony Lenard: and then the conceptual specification of user interface
  Timothy Benjamin: Yep.
  Anthony Lenard: and finally trend watching.
  Robert Goldman: Alright. Well.
  Anthony Lenard: Mm. 'kay.
  Anthony Lenard: Function F_ eight it. There we go.
  Robert Goldman: Alright. Um I'm very excited by this one actually guys I uh had a lot of fun doing it. Components design. This is where you look at what does it take to make a remote control and what should we make our specific remote control out of. Um. So, we need to examine each element separately, but we're designing a full thing, so you wanna keep it integrated as a whole. The main elements of remote controls in general, and therefore ours as well, are the case, the buttons, the circuit board with the chip and the battery. These are all things that we had sort of addressed before, but I'm gonna take each one a little bit separately here as we figure out what they should be made of and what they should look like. The case, uh the options that I've gotten from headquarters about what we can do, um there's there's the shape of a case, we could do a flat sh a flat case, a curved case or maybe even a double double-curved case. I haven't seen any pictures of what this exactly looks like yet, just keep that in mind, but these are the options that we have from manufacturing and we can make our case out of plastic, the m the main base will be plastic, but we have all these sort of fashion and technological elements we can add in, wood, latex, titanium, rubber or other coloured types of plastic. That would be our case. Um buttons, for buttons we have um pushbuttons, which is what Real Reaction uses the most often, but we also have scror scroll wheels, which can
  Anthony Lenard: Mm.
  Robert Goldman: have integrated pushbuttons, or we could go all high-tech and have an L_ L_C_D_ screen. Um circuit board and chip we can have a simple one, a regular one or an advanced one, depending on what our other needs are. And then battery I think is where things get most exciting. We're talking about long-life batteries here. Um we can we can have your sort of basic double A_ batteries, but we also have these options of um using a kinetic battery, like are used in high-tech watches, where you just have to move it a little bit to get it to power up. Um so simple movements like pushing buttons would recharge the battery. Or a solar battery, although there are slight um complications with solar batteries as in we can't use a latex case if we have a solar battery.
  Anthony Lenard: Hmm.
  Robert Goldman: Or um something they only described as the type of battery you find in torches from about fifty years ago, flashlights. Not quite sure what that is, but that's the description that I received, so that's what I'm passing on to you. So those are our options. Um personal preferences that I was thinking through here's what we've been talking about all through, fashion and simplicity. So if we're going for fashion in our cases, I think that what we're gonna wanna look at is a curved or a double-curved case, probably with a variety of design elements. Maybe titanium, maybe some wood. We're gonna have to investigate that better when I get specifics of the actual materials, but that's sort of what I have in mind. And we wanna go for simplicity. Probably pushbuttons, but I'm sort of intrigued by the idea of a scroll scroll
  Anthony Lenard: Mm.
  Robert Goldman: wheel, if anyone has anything any ideas on that? I mean I know the iPods and things right now have touch scroll um buttons which are exactly like what they're describing, so that might be something we wanna look into. And I'm really intrigued by the idea of a kinetic battery. Solar I don't think would be such a good idea, because how often are you sure that your remote control will get a certain amount of light. But this idea of the kinetic, that you don't have to replace, and that a simple just shaking it around will make it work, I think that that m would be a very interesting thing. But I think we'd also wanna go for e a simple chip or regular chip to keep our costs down. Uh we really only need a regular or advanced chip t if we're gonna start using an L_C_D_. So I think we want to be aware of not making things overly t technological if they don't need to be, 'cause that'll keep our manufacturing price way down. That's what I have for options. Um I'd appreciate anyone's input, but that's what I'm seeing for the future of the the look of this thing.
  Danny Kuter: Is double-curved like would be like two hands kind of thing?
  Robert Goldman: I'm not sure. I haven't received any specific
  Danny Kuter: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: visuals
  Danny Kuter: 'Cause I'm
  Robert Goldman: of
  Danny Kuter: imagining
  Robert Goldman: this yet.
  Danny Kuter: like double-curved is like, you know, like two sides that curve
  Robert Goldman: This is
  Danny Kuter: and
  Robert Goldman: what
  Danny Kuter: then like
  Robert Goldman: I'm sort
  Danny Kuter: one
  Robert Goldman: of
  Danny Kuter: curve would just be like a single vertical-ish kind of looking
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: thing, but I've
  Robert Goldman: I'm
  Danny Kuter: no idea.
  Robert Goldman: not sure, but I'll let you know as soon as I get any pictures.
  Danny Kuter: Sounds good.
  Anthony Lenard: Yeah, I wonder
  Robert Goldman: I know if we do have a double-curved case, it can't have any titanium in it. But the titanium, they were quite they're marketing quite hard to us as being used in the space programme, so that could be quite interesting. Space-age remote.
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: Just all things
  Anthony Lenard: Just
  Robert Goldman: to
  Anthony Lenard: an interesting
  Robert Goldman: keep in mind.
  Anthony Lenard: marketing kind of
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: element.
  Robert Goldman: That's about all I have to do, guys. quickly.
  Anthony Lenard: Uh just a real quick question um the weight of these different elements,
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: have
  Robert Goldman: n
  Anthony Lenard: you
  Robert Goldman: no
  Anthony Lenard: no
  Robert Goldman: idea,
  Anthony Lenard: idea, okay.
  Robert Goldman: no idea. Um I'm assuming that a kinetic battery isn't gonna take up that much weight,
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: and that a tita titanium is very light, I know,
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: um but other than that's really basic, I mean, that's all I have gotten so far.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: Alright? Any other questions?
  Timothy Benjamin: Uh-huh. Don't think so.
  Robert Goldman: No? Okay.
  Anthony Lenard: Mm 'kay.
  Robert Goldman: I have save this in the uh shared projects, if anyone wants to look
  Anthony Lenard: Thank you, perfect.
  Robert Goldman: and
  Danny Kuter: Thanks.
  Robert Goldman: I have c considerable notes on the topic as well, if anyone needs any more information. Uh
  Anthony Lenard: Um if you made notes yourself you can put those on our um underneath our
  Robert Goldman: Just in
  Anthony Lenard: oh,
  Robert Goldman: my notebook,
  Anthony Lenard: uh in your book, then don't worry about
  Robert Goldman: but if
  Anthony Lenard: that.
  Robert Goldman: anyone has any specific questions, don't hesitate to email Danny Kuter or something. Alright? Uh I guess I can
  Anthony Lenard: 'Kay now we're um concepts concepts of user interface. Yeah, um. This one's so much tighter than the other one.
  Robert Goldman: I know.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay. Nope. There we go. Here you are.
  Timothy Benjamin: Jess.
  Robert Goldman: G oh, geez.
  Timothy Benjamin: Alright, so I'm gonna describe the the concept of the user interface of this des device. Um we've talked about uh the two essential properties of the user interface. We want it to be simple and we want it to be fashionable. Um other we've also got to remember that this is a device that serves as a useful purpose. Uh we want people to be able to use it s as a remote control, so we need determine what the essential functions of the d of the device are and make sure that we include that we've included all of those and that we actually end up with a device that is going to be useful to people. We have a number of different choices for a design concept um and s that's that's something that that I'll show you some examples of um, but essentially we need to choose how how is this device going to work, how how what kind of model is there going to be for user interaction with this device. Uh once we've chosen a a concept for it, we can then design the features around the concept, making sure that we get all the essential functions in the device and uh the extra functions and the more advanced features. And of course we also have to make it look cool. So basically, that's what we don't want. M we don't want lots of buttons, uh complicated features. We want something that looks nice and simple. Here's a
  Robert Goldman: Hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: a fairly simple device. This is an an iPod from Apple. Um I think the main thing to notice about it is it just has four buttons. It's very minimalistic in its design. Uh you use these four buttons to m to move around a range of settings on the small L_C_D_ screen. Um the thing I like about this is that it's very very quick to access the main features. Uh you can just about make out uh that the button three buttons are uh previous track, next track and play pause. They're the main the main features of the iPod, the things you will use a all the time. Um then if you want to do anything more advanced, you go into the little menu on the L_C_D_ screen and you use the buttons just to scroll around and and find the more advanced features that you want. So I think that's that's a good a good kind of model that we could have. Um here's a another example. This is uh it's an interesting idea and I think i it looks pretty cool. Um it's certainly got novelty value. Uh
  Anthony Lenard: Mm.
  Timothy Benjamin: it's nice and colourful, it's nice and bright. Uh it's also something that you can kind of feel your way around. The buttons are are different shapes and and you can sort of yeah if you're watching T_V_ in the dark or whatever, you can work out which button's which and basically, yeah it's ith it's fun. So I I like I like this idea of just having buttons for the features that you use most often. So you'd need a few buttons to select your favourite channels. I mean most people, when they watch T_V_, they have two hundred and fifty channels on their T_V_ and they watch of 'bout four of them at the most. So, you have buttons for your favourite channel, changing the volume, which is something you do all the time when you're watching T_V_, and the button to switch it off, in case you get bored. Um other features, things like adjusting the brightness, tuning the T_V_, uh I don't know what else you do with a T_V_. Um but these are these are all necessary functions. Uh you can't have a t there's no point having a television that you can't tune or that you can't set the contrast, so we need to find a way of including these somehow. Um and one other suggestions I'd make is to in is to include in a menu system, a bit like on the iPod. So we'd either have a small L_C_D_ display on the device itself, or uh have a dis a menu display that comes up on your television and can b be controlled through the device.
  Robert Goldman: Hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: And that would allow you to access access the advanced features uh whilst keeping a very small and simple set of buttons for the features that you use most often.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: So you'd be advocating an L_C_D_ then?
  Timothy Benjamin: I think that's that's one way to go, yes.
  Robert Goldman: Okay.
  Timothy Benjamin: Um I mean there are there are advantages and disadvantages if you if you have an L_C_D_ display, it's it's nice, because it's it it lets you just sort of sit there and st and control your television from your armchair.
  Robert Goldman: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: There are disadvantages, an an L_C_D_ display would have to be quite small, 'cause we're
  Robert Goldman: Right.
  Timothy Benjamin: we're I well we're I assume we're gonna be making quite a small device. Um it would also have to have uh a kind of backlighting in it, 'cause you ten you tend to watch
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: T_V_ in the dark,
  Robert Goldman: Right.
  Timothy Benjamin: but you need to be able to see your L_D_D_ L_C_D_ display. The alternative is to have a an on-screen display on your television that you control through your remote control. Uh have these um digital boxes where you you press the buttons and it comes up with your this thing of watch lo what's
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: on each channel. I mean
  Robert Goldman: Okay.
  Timothy Benjamin: that that's also a good idea. It's it can it does have it's problems as well, if you've got a small T_V_ and you're sitting on the other
  Anthony Lenard: Mm.
  Timothy Benjamin: side of a room, it's hard to read the little text that comes up.
  Robert Goldman: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: Uh but that's a that's a design decision that we can make.
  Robert Goldman: 'Kay.
  Anthony Lenard: I do think that um one of the important features for a remote is seeing a menu and seeing what's on. Um
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: and so like favourite channels is is applicable, but I think th that you do need to have some kind of function where it's um you have t you can see
  Robert Goldman: Well
  Anthony Lenard: the title of the show or possibly a description of it.
  Robert Goldman: Are you
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Like
  Robert Goldman: are you
  Anthony Lenard: I
  Robert Goldman: tak
  Anthony Lenard: I know I use
  Danny Kuter: Wait,
  Anthony Lenard: that
  Danny Kuter: but is
  Anthony Lenard: often
  Danny Kuter: that separate
  Anthony Lenard: enough.
  Danny Kuter: from what he was saying?
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Well if it if it was a L_ L_C_D_ on th on the remote, I don't know that you could f that you'd
  Robert Goldman: No,
  Anthony Lenard: be able to
  Robert Goldman: I
  Anthony Lenard: see
  Robert Goldman: think
  Anthony Lenard: a
  Robert Goldman: I think we're talking menu like contrast and
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: tuning the V_C_R_ or something if I've understood you correctly,
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah, that
  Robert Goldman: rather than
  Timothy Benjamin: that
  Robert Goldman: menu
  Timothy Benjamin: would be one
  Robert Goldman: as
  Timothy Benjamin: of the
  Robert Goldman: what's
  Timothy Benjamin: features,
  Robert Goldman: on.
  Timothy Benjamin: yes.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Timothy Benjamin: But it's
  Anthony Lenard: 'Cause that would
  Timothy Benjamin: it's
  Anthony Lenard: be more specifically
  Timothy Benjamin: it's
  Anthony Lenard: a
  Timothy Benjamin: something
  Anthony Lenard: digital
  Timothy Benjamin: to bear
  Anthony Lenard: box,
  Timothy Benjamin: in mind is that
  Anthony Lenard: mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: if we put a display on the remote control the c uh communication is one way, so you can't have the televisions and information back to the remote control,
  Robert Goldman: Oh,
  Timothy Benjamin: at
  Robert Goldman: good
  Timothy Benjamin: least
  Robert Goldman: point.
  Timothy Benjamin: I
  Anthony Lenard: Mm.
  Timothy Benjamin: don't think you can. Um I'm not sure.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay, now
  Danny Kuter: Should
  Anthony Lenard: we're
  Danny Kuter: I plug
  Anthony Lenard: moving
  Danny Kuter: that
  Anthony Lenard: on
  Danny Kuter: in?
  Anthony Lenard: to market. Marketing.
  Timothy Benjamin: Is that going on? Okay.
  Danny Kuter: Maybe it's just not
  Timothy Benjamin: Uh that should
  Danny Kuter: Is it
  Timothy Benjamin: be
  Danny Kuter: on?
  Timothy Benjamin: alright, actually.
  Danny Kuter: Ri What F_ do you have to press, five?
  Anthony Lenard: Eight.
  Danny Kuter: I just keep pressing lots of 'em. Well, I don't know how relevant all of this gonna be. If anything, the that they gave Danny Kuter.
  Robert Goldman: No
  Anthony Lenard: Oops,
  Robert Goldman: signal.
  Anthony Lenard: it's not plugged in, quite
  Danny Kuter: Alright.
  Anthony Lenard: in well enough. There we are.
  Robert Goldman: Oop, there we go.
  Anthony Lenard: Mm 'kay.
  Danny Kuter: Oh yeah. Okay, so we're gonna look a little bit at trend watching. Basically, I was given um an executive summary that was a market investigation on remote controls that was recently conducted, and then also some fashion watchers in Paris and Milan commented on some things that are gonna be going on this year. So first um they had people they ranked um the important aspects of r remote controls, and right now i d they're saying that currently there's a functional look and feel preference, but that really, over the next year it it that's gonna be switching to fancy look and feel remotes, so that just goes back to the whole desire of our c Real Reaction company wanting to focus on fashion and so, even though we're stressing, when we're talking, we've all been talking about this like simplicity and easy to use idea, they're sort of wanting us to remember that the number one thing for everyone is that it's fancy look and feel. And as these are ranked, the top one is doubly important to the second one, which is doubly important to the third one, so
  Robert Goldman: Okay.
  Danny Kuter: just to take that weight into account. The second thing that was mentioned as important was the technological innovations. That would be like if we use something like the space material or the L_C_D_ screen, things like that. And then ease of use was the third most important, whi so really, no matter what, we need to focus the most on fancy look and feel, according to this. I don't know how much we agree with that. And then the fashion watch talks about that this year's top trend for clothes, shoes and furniture is fruits and vegetables and tha that there's a preference
  Anthony Lenard: S sweet.
  Danny Kuter: for spongy, tight material. And so that brings us to my personal preferences. Who wants a spongy remote or one with fruit and vegetable padding. Personally, I don't really think that I want one that's gonna go out of style or go stale, excuse the pun, um in a year, so even though this is coming from us as, you know, trend watch, market research, I don't know how much of it we necessarily wanna take away. Also, considering that the d research b has been carried out by Real Reaction, I'm a little hesitant as to like, how these questions may have been worded, and if necessarily this whole fashion to technology y edas ease of use is necessarily the right ranking. Personally, like I might reverse it, but if we're working for this company then I guess no matter what, we have to stress fashion the most. But it
  Robert Goldman: Mm.
  Danny Kuter: doesn't necessarily need to be a spongy material.
  Robert Goldman: That there's all kinds of scope for imagination in that one though.
  Danny Kuter: Yeah. I don't have a lot of notes to share if you want them, that pretty much sums it up. So yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay, do we have any s some questions for this, let's
  Danny Kuter: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: see um.
  Danny Kuter: what can I possibly enlighten on?
  Anthony Lenard: Um do you have any ideas how to possibly use these? Um how to how to use a fruit or vegetable or um or the spongy material at all? Like could we make a s like could we make a spongy remote? It would be easier
  Robert Goldman: If
  Anthony Lenard: on
  Robert Goldman: it's
  Anthony Lenard: the hands.
  Robert Goldman: latex if it's latexy
  Anthony Lenard: It's kind of
  Robert Goldman: Um,
  Anthony Lenard: and then it
  Robert Goldman: mean
  Timothy Benjamin: A kind of
  Anthony Lenard: we
  Timothy Benjamin: thing
  Anthony Lenard: would have to
  Timothy Benjamin: that
  Anthony Lenard: find a way to protect like the chip and all that, I dunno.
  Robert Goldman: An
  Anthony Lenard: But
  Robert Goldman: uh I if th my understanding of a latex case is that it's in fact hard to protect stuff inside, but that
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: it's covered with the latex, which is spongier and softer on your hands. It's there's something to be said, I mean we we got that thing earlier from you about um not wanting it to R_ R_ repetitive stress injuries
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: and
  Danny Kuter: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: things
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: and and Yeah,
  Danny Kuter: Yeah, so something, m
  Robert Goldman: something
  Danny Kuter: m instead of
  Robert Goldman: grippable,
  Danny Kuter: a necess
  Robert Goldman: I mean
  Danny Kuter: yeah,
  Robert Goldman: we don't
  Danny Kuter: grip,
  Robert Goldman: we don't
  Danny Kuter: I'm thinking
  Robert Goldman: we don't wanna go
  Danny Kuter: grip
  Robert Goldman: spongy,
  Danny Kuter: more than
  Robert Goldman: maybe.
  Danny Kuter: like sinking into your hands,
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: you know, i and I
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: think I'm envisioning more like,
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: you know, the material that you have when you sit on like a bicycle, so
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Danny Kuter: that it doesn't hurt when
  Robert Goldman: Mm-hmm.
  Danny Kuter: you're sitting down for a long time, like I'm imagining that sort of thing, I don't know what th that
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Danny Kuter: material's
  Robert Goldman: I think
  Danny Kuter: called.
  Robert Goldman: that given the list of materials I w I was forwarded it's that seems doable. could we go in fruit and vegetable colours? We could colour-co-ordinate
  Anthony Lenard: F for
  Robert Goldman: them,
  Anthony Lenard: sure, or maybe
  Robert Goldman: li
  Anthony Lenard: like um couple main ones being like, I dunno, lemons or strawberries or something.
  Robert Goldman: The buttons could be fruit-shaped.
  Anthony Lenard: Could they be smelly?
  Timothy Benjamin: I
  Robert Goldman: Oh
  Danny Kuter: Oh God.
  Timothy Benjamin: Is it supposed to be shaped like a vegetable? Uh
  Anthony Lenard: I
  Timothy Benjamin: like
  Anthony Lenard: don't
  Timothy Benjamin: uh
  Anthony Lenard: know.
  Timothy Benjamin: I dunno, like uh carrots or something.
  Robert Goldman: well it's
  Anthony Lenard: Or
  Robert Goldman: quite easy
  Anthony Lenard: carrot
  Robert Goldman: to s
  Anthony Lenard: shaped,
  Robert Goldman: shape thing
  Anthony Lenard: mm.
  Robert Goldman: like carrot isn't it?
  Timothy Benjamin: Maybe,
  Robert Goldman: Or maybe the
  Timothy Benjamin: or
  Robert Goldman: buttons could be shaped
  Anthony Lenard: Like large
  Robert Goldman: like different
  Anthony Lenard: button,
  Robert Goldman: fruits.
  Anthony Lenard: that's what I was thinking of, yeah.
  Danny Kuter: What about the idea of like a round remote? Instead of like a vertical up and down one. Like
  Timothy Benjamin: Kind
  Danny Kuter: in
  Timothy Benjamin: of
  Danny Kuter: terms
  Timothy Benjamin: like a
  Danny Kuter: of
  Timothy Benjamin: potato.
  Danny Kuter: holding it. Like that's a f shape
  Robert Goldman: be yeah.
  Danny Kuter: of a fruit.
  Robert Goldman: It'd
  Danny Kuter: Just
  Anthony Lenard: Might
  Danny Kuter: to
  Anthony Lenard: would you
  Danny Kuter: tie
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: think you
  Danny Kuter: it
  Anthony Lenard: you
  Danny Kuter: in a little.
  Anthony Lenard: do you think you'd be able to hold it? 'Cause I think the reason they're long
  Robert Goldman: be harder
  Anthony Lenard: is
  Robert Goldman: to f bu uh buttons
  Anthony Lenard: yeah.
  Robert Goldman: I think. It'd be harder to press
  Timothy Benjamin: Depends.
  Robert Goldman: button.
  Anthony Lenard: Harder to push.
  Timothy Benjamin: When you when you use a remote, do you press the buttons with your thumb, usually?
  Danny Kuter: Yeah.
  Timothy Benjamin: Or your fingers?
  Robert Goldman: Um
  Anthony Lenard: I usually hold it in one hand. Maybe
  Timothy Benjamin: Or maybe
  Robert Goldman: I
  Timothy Benjamin: you want something that's shaped like a mobile phone, so you you hold it in one hand, and you press the buttons
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: But then
  Timothy Benjamin: with
  Anthony Lenard: the buttons
  Timothy Benjamin: your thumb.
  Anthony Lenard: would
  Robert Goldman: that's
  Anthony Lenard: have to be very small.
  Robert Goldman: ts how I tend to do it.
  Danny Kuter: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: Don't
  Danny Kuter: 'cause
  Anthony Lenard: you think?
  Robert Goldman: No
  Danny Kuter: otherwise
  Robert Goldman: just
  Danny Kuter: your
  Robert Goldman: thumb-sized.
  Danny Kuter: fingers can't move around.
  Robert Goldman: Jus
  Danny Kuter: But
  Anthony Lenard: But
  Danny Kuter: I like
  Anthony Lenard: I mean
  Danny Kuter: i
  Anthony Lenard: in order to get to all of them,
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: you know.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: They would have to be within
  Timothy Benjamin: Maybe.
  Anthony Lenard: a certain amount
  Robert Goldman: That's
  Anthony Lenard: of
  Timothy Benjamin: But
  Robert Goldman: true.
  Anthony Lenard: space
  Timothy Benjamin: if you've only
  Anthony Lenard: with
  Timothy Benjamin: got
  Anthony Lenard: each other.
  Timothy Benjamin: like four or five buttons anyway, then it's it's not
  Robert Goldman: Right.
  Timothy Benjamin: so much a problem, perhaps.
  Robert Goldman: I When I'm when I'm pressing buttons on my iPod, that's how I do it, hold it and press
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: the
  Timothy Benjamin: So
  Robert Goldman: four.
  Timothy Benjamin: you hold it in one hand
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Timothy Benjamin: and you press you press the buttons
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: with
  Robert Goldman: or
  Timothy Benjamin: your thumb
  Robert Goldman: in and use
  Timothy Benjamin: and
  Robert Goldman: my thumb or my pointer finger on the touch scroll wheel.
  Timothy Benjamin: And
  Danny Kuter: I
  Timothy Benjamin: you find
  Danny Kuter: love
  Timothy Benjamin: that works
  Danny Kuter: the idea
  Timothy Benjamin: quite well?
  Danny Kuter: of the
  Robert Goldman: Yeah
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Danny Kuter: wheel like the iPod.
  Timothy Benjamin: Is
  Danny Kuter: 'Cause
  Timothy Benjamin: that
  Danny Kuter: th
  Timothy Benjamin: The button on an iPod, is it what is it, is it just four buttons or is it
  Danny Kuter: It's
  Timothy Benjamin: li
  Danny Kuter: like
  Timothy Benjamin: more
  Danny Kuter: five,
  Timothy Benjamin: like
  Anthony Lenard: It's a
  Timothy Benjamin: a
  Anthony Lenard: scroll,
  Timothy Benjamin: scroll
  Danny Kuter: 'cause
  Timothy Benjamin: thing?
  Danny Kuter: there's
  Robert Goldman: It
  Anthony Lenard: yeah,
  Danny Kuter: one
  Robert Goldman: wel
  Anthony Lenard: it's
  Danny Kuter: in the
  Anthony Lenard: a
  Danny Kuter: middle.
  Anthony Lenard: wheel.
  Robert Goldman: well yeah, it would I mean each version of it has been a little bit different,
  Anthony Lenard: The one I have
  Robert Goldman: but
  Anthony Lenard: doesn't have the four on i like
  Robert Goldman: Oh yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: around
  Robert Goldman: you had
  Anthony Lenard: it,
  Robert Goldman: one
  Anthony Lenard: I don't
  Robert Goldman: of the
  Anthony Lenard: think.
  Robert Goldman: in-between ones, when they weren't doing that anymore.
  Robert Goldman: Ts
  Timothy Benjamin: Right.
  Robert Goldman: and you press the centre button, that's that's
  Timothy Benjamin: Oh,
  Robert Goldman: your all-purpose
  Timothy Benjamin: I see,
  Robert Goldman: select
  Timothy Benjamin: right, yeah.
  Robert Goldman: button right there.
  Timothy Benjamin: Oh, okay.
  Robert Goldman: Since it's the
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah,
  Robert Goldman: one
  Timothy Benjamin: that's
  Robert Goldman: in the
  Timothy Benjamin: quite
  Robert Goldman: centre
  Timothy Benjamin: a good
  Robert Goldman: that's
  Timothy Benjamin: design.
  Robert Goldman: not marked, yeah.
  Danny Kuter: I think why it would be good for us is 'cause like you could have the same wheel sort of effect for like channel flipping and then the other
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: one could be like for volume. Like just the idea of like those so few buttons
  Robert Goldman: Uh
  Danny Kuter: for main
  Robert Goldman: uh t
  Danny Kuter: things, but then how you could go back to the menu and like, I dunno if we would want it on the screen there or on the actual T_V_. I kind of am wanting
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: to say on the T_V_, 'cause if you're changing
  Robert Goldman: Hmm.
  Danny Kuter: the brightness, don't you wanna see it happening, kind
  Anthony Lenard: Mm.
  Danny Kuter: of?
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: And then
  Robert Goldman: Yeah, I
  Danny Kuter: you
  Robert Goldman: think
  Danny Kuter: could still
  Robert Goldman: an
  Danny Kuter: have
  Robert Goldman: L_C_D_
  Danny Kuter: that available.
  Robert Goldman: screen might be good in theory, but not as useful
  Timothy Benjamin: I think
  Robert Goldman: in
  Timothy Benjamin: it
  Robert Goldman: practice.
  Timothy Benjamin: could be difficult in practice, yeah.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Timothy Benjamin: Also z yeah, 'cause you would be z looking down at the L_C_D_ screen, than
  Robert Goldman: Right.
  Timothy Benjamin: back up at your T_V_ and
  Danny Kuter: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: people
  Robert Goldman: Um
  Timothy Benjamin: don't wanna do that.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay um
  Robert Goldman: Oh we
  Anthony Lenard: we
  Robert Goldman: probably have
  Anthony Lenard: have
  Robert Goldman: to get going, don't
  Anthony Lenard: we've
  Robert Goldman: we?
  Anthony Lenard: about fifteen minutes left, so I'm I'm gonna
  Danny Kuter: Uh-huh.
  Anthony Lenard: continue with my pres presentation. Um I've one more slide before we close, but in that slide is when we need to make decisions about this these kinds of things, so I'll just
  Robert Goldman: 'Kay.
  Anthony Lenard: bring that up and show you all before we move on. Um
  Danny Kuter: If I get
  Robert Goldman: Could
  Danny Kuter: any more information of fruits and vegetables,
  Robert Goldman: Could we
  Danny Kuter: I'll let
  Robert Goldman: uh
  Danny Kuter: you know.
  Robert Goldman: could we have changeable covers like for your mobile?
  Timothy Benjamin: Like,
  Robert Goldman: In different
  Timothy Benjamin: to
  Robert Goldman: fruit
  Timothy Benjamin: make
  Robert Goldman: and
  Timothy Benjamin: it
  Robert Goldman: vegetable
  Timothy Benjamin: different fruits.
  Robert Goldman: colours, yeah.
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah, it's possible.
  Anthony Lenard: Yeah, and then like the the covers could be spongy latex
  Robert Goldman: Exactly.
  Anthony Lenard: wherea but the actual model could be titanium.
  Robert Goldman: And you could co-ordinate with your house or whatever.
  Timothy Benjamin: I
  Robert Goldman: All
  Timothy Benjamin: think
  Robert Goldman: these
  Timothy Benjamin: maybe
  Robert Goldman: options.
  Timothy Benjamin: th the packaging, it should be like a lemon and the the packaging is like the peel. So
  Robert Goldman: Ooh.
  Timothy Benjamin: instead of opening the box you just kind of peel it, and the remote control's inside.
  Danny Kuter: Well, there we
  Robert Goldman: Oh.
  Danny Kuter: go.
  Timothy Benjamin: Don't know.
  Anthony Lenard: Ah hmm
  Danny Kuter: The
  Anthony Lenard: hmm
  Danny Kuter: iPod packaging
  Anthony Lenard: hmm.
  Danny Kuter: is Danny Kuter like was so that was like half the fun. It's
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: like the way it all comes all cute.
  Robert Goldman: Mm.
  Danny Kuter: Lemons?
  Robert Goldman: Options.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay, um components concept. Energy, chip
  Robert Goldman: Uh-hu oh,
  Anthony Lenard: on print.
  Robert Goldman: oh yes. Right,
  Anthony Lenard: G
  Robert Goldman: I had sort of skipped over that hoping it wouldn't get be necessary but um
  Anthony Lenard: That's th th this is the agenda they gave Danny Kuter. So
  Robert Goldman: Alright,
  Anthony Lenard: can you just explain
  Robert Goldman: so
  Anthony Lenard: what that
  Robert Goldman: um
  Anthony Lenard: is real quick?
  Robert Goldman: decisions, what the okay deci decisions on energy I'm thinking is based on the battery.
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: Um I dunno, what do people think about this kinetic battery idea?
  Anthony Lenard: I think it's awesome. I
  Robert Goldman: Am
  Anthony Lenard: think
  Robert Goldman: I
  Anthony Lenard: it's really cool.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: Yeah, I mean, it would t totally take care of our problem of not wanting to change batteries.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah, um I think it's good, as as long as we consider the the cost and the uh how reliable it is, but
  Robert Goldman: Right,
  Timothy Benjamin: as far
  Robert Goldman: I haven't
  Timothy Benjamin: as I know,
  Robert Goldman: gotten
  Timothy Benjamin: the technology
  Robert Goldman: any
  Timothy Benjamin: is good.
  Danny Kuter: Costs.
  Robert Goldman: yeah, any more information on cost other than it's more expensive than a regular battery, but um
  Danny Kuter: But over time
  Robert Goldman: but if we're using a an i a cheaper chip, then it'll even out, I think. Um circuit boards. Um yeah, I got a whole bunch of information on how circuit boards are produced. They're they're thin fibreglass with copper wires etched on to them, and di I think they're quite easily printed on by machine, which is chip on print is where the machine prints on the wires and solders it all together for us. I don't really know what to tell you as far as decisions. I wasn't really given any options, I was just given that this is how they're done.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: Um yeah, I can't can't really tell you. I can I can tell you a whole lot about how it works. But I don't know any decisions on
  Anthony Lenard: If they're if they're really options.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah. I'm sorry, I did
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Timothy Benjamin: Al
  Robert Goldman: f
  Timothy Benjamin: all circuit boards are pretty much the same, I think. Uh it's fairly fairly standard.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: then we'll move on to the case. Um oh bu I guess maybe if we decided on like a simple, a regular, or an advanced
  Robert Goldman: Right.
  Anthony Lenard: chip,
  Robert Goldman: Well
  Anthony Lenard: maybe.
  Robert Goldman: okay, here's the here's the thing on the chips that I that I got. Um simple, regular, advanced chip on print. The chip on print includes an infrared sensor, so we don't have to worry about that. Um, 'kay, the pushbutton if we're gonna have pushbuttons, they require a simple chip, but a scroll wheel requires a regular chip, and an L_C_D_ requires advanced. Do we want a scroll wheel, or do we just want pushbuttons?
  Timothy Benjamin: Um I don't think we ne really need the scroll whe wheel. I mean it might be nice for changing the volume.
  Robert Goldman: Oh.
  Anthony Lenard: It would
  Timothy Benjamin: Uh
  Anthony Lenard: be nice for changing
  Timothy Benjamin: but
  Anthony Lenard: the volume, but I don't know how useful it'd be for changing the channel.
  Timothy Benjamin: I don't
  Anthony Lenard: 'Cause
  Timothy Benjamin: think
  Anthony Lenard: you
  Timothy Benjamin: it
  Anthony Lenard: don't
  Timothy Benjamin: would
  Danny Kuter: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: have
  Danny Kuter: it's
  Timothy Benjamin: really
  Anthony Lenard: control
  Timothy Benjamin: work.
  Danny Kuter: a
  Anthony Lenard: over numbers or
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah, you
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Timothy Benjamin: really need buttons
  Robert Goldman: th
  Timothy Benjamin: for
  Robert Goldman: it'd
  Timothy Benjamin: changing
  Robert Goldman: be
  Timothy Benjamin: a channel.
  Robert Goldman: it'd be handy for going through if there was an on-screen menu of your channel choices,
  Danny Kuter: But
  Robert Goldman: than
  Danny Kuter: if
  Robert Goldman: you
  Danny Kuter: you
  Robert Goldman: can
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: scroll
  Danny Kuter: c if you
  Robert Goldman: down
  Danny Kuter: could scroll
  Robert Goldman: on the scroll.
  Danny Kuter: through the channels, and then
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: the volume would just
  Anthony Lenard: We have
  Danny Kuter: be
  Anthony Lenard: five minutes left for the meeting, so.
  Danny Kuter: and the volume would just be like the same way,
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: forward and backward as I'm just thinking like it would make it much like sleeker sort of looking.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: And
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: otherwise, no matter how may buttons we have, we're gonna have like, you know, black with red sticking out and th no it's gonna inevitably sort of start looking like
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Danny Kuter: those group of sort of ugly ones that we saw stacked up.
  Robert Goldman: Hmm.
  Anthony Lenard: So, have a scroll for volume?
  Robert Goldman: F or for all those secret
  Anthony Lenard: F
  Robert Goldman: functions? When you get on the on-screen menu of all your functions that your remote could do for you without the buttons and you could have a scroll wheel to go through those menus.
  Timothy Benjamin: I think yeah, I think a scroll wheel would be nice, but it's not necessary.
  Robert Goldman: Right.
  Timothy Benjamin: Um
  Robert Goldman: So we could either go with a simple or a regular chip, depending and maybe we could table that decision for later.
  Anthony Lenard: Um.
  Robert Goldman: I don't know.
  Anthony Lenard: I think w well I think when we go on to the une userface, we're gonna have to decide the interface we're gonna have to decide
  Robert Goldman: Okay.
  Anthony Lenard: um whether we're gonna have a scroll or not.
  Robert Goldman: Well, let's think about that while we talk about the case.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay, let's do case.
  Robert Goldman: Uh I'm kinda liking the idea of latex, if if spongy
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: is the in thing.
  Anthony Lenard: I'm a little um I'm a little hesitant about it, because I'm worried about protecting the stuff on the inside.
  Robert Goldman: Okay.
  Anthony Lenard: Um
  Danny Kuter: Oh could it be hard, and then
  Robert Goldman: Uh yeah,
  Danny Kuter: something around
  Robert Goldman: everything
  Danny Kuter: it?
  Robert Goldman: I've
  Anthony Lenard: Yeah, I would be more okay with like a titanium actual thing and then maybe
  Robert Goldman: N oh
  Anthony Lenard: like
  Robert Goldman: wha
  Anthony Lenard: a mobile phone
  Robert Goldman: what I've
  Anthony Lenard: kind of thing.
  Robert Goldman: what I've seen, just not related to this,
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: but of latex cases before, is that there's uh like a hard plastic inside, and it's just covered with the latex.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: Not too thick a layer
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Goldman: of latex, just enough to be grippable,
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Robert Goldman: like bike handles or or anything that you've seen like that. The inside is hard. I don't think we need to worry about protecting
  Anthony Lenard: Ge o
  Robert Goldman: the circuit board, I think that that's done for us.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay.
  Timothy Benjamin: 'Kay. Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: So we uh we do want latex.
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay. Latex. Um and probably in colours, maybe fruity, vegetable colours.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Fruity colours. Okay um let's go to the ufe user interface then we'll come back to the chip I suppose.
  Robert Goldman: Oh and we want a curved case, yeah? Or a double-curved?
  Anthony Lenard: Well, we don't really know what the difference is, right?
  Danny Kuter: I'm thinking curved of some sort.
  Anthony Lenard: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: okay. We don't really know what the difference
  Anthony Lenard: Um okay, interface, the type and the supplements. So
  Timothy Benjamin: Um
  Anthony Lenard: push or scroll, right?
  Timothy Benjamin: Yep.
  Anthony Lenard: Or both?
  Timothy Benjamin: Um And I think if we wanna keep our costs down, we should just go for pushbuttons, 'cause then we can have a a simple chip and it's simpler, it's it's cheaper to make pushbuttons than it is a scroll button.
  Robert Goldman: Good point.
  Timothy Benjamin: So in terms
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: of uh in terms of uh economics it's probably better to have pushbuttons.
  Anthony Lenard: And if we had a sc an on-screen um kind of thing that you could scroll through, like you can use your buttons to scroll through things.
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah, yeah, it's uh
  Anthony Lenard: I think
  Timothy Benjamin: it's
  Anthony Lenard: that
  Timothy Benjamin: it's fairly simple.
  Anthony Lenard: yeah. For channel surfing I think a scroll an actual like an iPod's kind of scroll thing would be too fast,
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: I dunno.
  Robert Goldman: I say pushbuttons at least unless we get any information but I have no idea how much more expensive a scroll wheel is than than a pushbutton, but it's gotta be some more expensive, so
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: I think it might be better to put our money into the stuff like the kinetic battery and the cool case
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Robert Goldman: because
  Anthony Lenard: Is that okay
  Timothy Benjamin: Interesting.
  Anthony Lenard: with you? How you feeling?
  Danny Kuter: Yeah. And let's like see if we get anything else. I mean I'm not like hard-sold on the scroll wheel, it's more just to give it a different kind of look,
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm.
  Danny Kuter: but if it's gonna be in a latex type thing
  Anthony Lenard: It might
  Danny Kuter: and that's
  Anthony Lenard: be cool
  Danny Kuter: gonna look
  Anthony Lenard: enough.
  Danny Kuter: cool, then that's probably gonna have a bigger impact than the scroll wheel.
  Robert Goldman: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay, so we're gonna go with um type pushbuttons,
  Timothy Benjamin: Yep.
  Anthony Lenard: and then supplements, how are we gonna do that?
  Timothy Benjamin: Uh what do you mean by supplements, exactly?
  Anthony Lenard: Um I assume that's what else we're gonna like h ha the um the additional buttons we can use.
  Timothy Benjamin: Um
  Robert Goldman: Oh.
  Anthony Lenard: So we're gonna have like a menu button,
  Timothy Benjamin: Yep.
  Anthony Lenard: so that we can access on-screen things
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: then? Okay, um
  Robert Goldman: Alright.
  Anthony Lenard: so
  Timothy Benjamin: Um
  Anthony Lenard: we're
  Timothy Benjamin: in
  Anthony Lenard: doing an on-screen menu
  Robert Goldman: So what
  Anthony Lenard: that
  Robert Goldman: are
  Anthony Lenard: we
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah.
  Anthony Lenard: can
  Robert Goldman: what
  Anthony Lenard: scroll
  Robert Goldman: are our
  Anthony Lenard: through.
  Robert Goldman: buttons gonna be? On off
  Timothy Benjamin: On off, uh volume, favourite channels, uh
  Robert Goldman: So like one
  Timothy Benjamin: and
  Robert Goldman: through
  Timothy Benjamin: menu.
  Robert Goldman: five, or
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah,
  Danny Kuter: Like a
  Timothy Benjamin: yeah
  Danny Kuter: radio
  Timothy Benjamin: about
  Danny Kuter: type sorta situation?
  Timothy Benjamin: yeah like yeah, a bit like radio presets. Um
  Anthony Lenard: Pre-set channels and then we're gonna need um numbers one through zero, right?
  Timothy Benjamin: Uh we wouldn't even need
  Robert Goldman: No.
  Timothy Benjamin: the numbers. I think maybe numbers seems is kind of
  Anthony Lenard: Well,
  Timothy Benjamin: old-fashioned.
  Anthony Lenard: but in order to pre-set a cha oh I guess you can just hold it down
  Timothy Benjamin: Yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: when you get
  Timothy Benjamin: yeah,
  Anthony Lenard: to one
  Timothy Benjamin: you can just
  Robert Goldman: Mm.
  Anthony Lenard: when you're scrolling through.
  Timothy Benjamin: and you need some kind of, I dunno, sort of up down kind of button,
  Robert Goldman: Yeah,
  Timothy Benjamin: but
  Robert Goldman: up
  Timothy Benjamin: the volume
  Robert Goldman: down.
  Timothy Benjamin: control could double for that, for example.
  Anthony Lenard: Mm-hmm. Okay, um finishing the meeting now. Um our next meeting starts in thirty minutes, um you each have things to do, look and feel design, user interface design, product evaluation, and you two are going to work together on a prototype using modelling clay. You'll get specific
  Robert Goldman: Ooh.
  Anthony Lenard: instructions
  Timothy Benjamin: Cool.
  Anthony Lenard: from your personal coach.
  Danny Kuter: Wow.
  Anthony Lenard: Um did we decide on a chip? Let's go with a simple chip?
  Robert Goldman: Simple chip.
  Timothy Benjamin: Yep.
  Anthony Lenard: Okay. We are done. Thank you everyone. Oh I di these are already in our shared folder,
  Robert Goldman: Okay, cool.
  Anthony Lenard: so.
  Robert Goldman: Clay.
  Timothy Benjamin: Clay. I wasn't expecting that.
Updated Content: Anthony Lenard recapped the decisions made in the previous meeting. Robert Goldman discussed possible materials to use in making the case for the remote, options for buttons, and options for batteries. The interface specialist presented two existing products which incorporate features the team is seeking to embed in their remote. The interface specialist also discussed other features to possibly incorporate into the design of the remote, such as an LCD screen. Danny Kuter discussed recent findings from trend watching reports and how to incorporate these findings into the remote design with respect to what materials to use and the overall appearance of the product. The team then discussed other options for how they could incorporate a fruit and vegetable theme into the appearance of their product. The team then discussed other options for batteries, chips, buttons, and materials for the case, as well as the option to have a menu function.