Extracted Content: Donald Hegmann: Great man. Who starts?
  Joe Dahl: Well I'll uh start just with another presentation,
  Donald Hegmann: Alright,
  Joe Dahl: then
  Donald Hegmann: great.
  Joe Dahl: we can uh look at th at the agenda uh for this meeting.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Okay. I've put some uh new things in the in the map.
  Donald Hegmann: Mm-hmm.
  Joe Dahl: Uh oh. This is it. I don't know the shortcut, so Ah F_ five. Well our functional design meeting, that's the stage we're in.
  Steven Ott: Mm.
  Joe Dahl: And you also ha all three of you have uh prepared something about it.
  Donald Hegmann: Yes.
  Joe Dahl: Well in uh just have a look at the notes from the previous meeting, what we uh thought we had dec decided. But uh Uh then we'll uh look at uh the three uh presentations uh from you.
  Donald Hegmann: 'Kay.
  Joe Dahl: I think you have prepared uh all
  Steven Ott: Well,
  Joe Dahl: three
  Steven Ott: yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: uh? Um we'll look at th the new project requirements we uh I dunno. Y you also have uh received that mail, the new project requirements from our bosses?
  Steven Ott: No.
  Donald Hegmann: No.
  Joe Dahl: Oh I've received a mail
  Donald Hegmann: You're the
  Joe Dahl: with
  Donald Hegmann: only one.
  Joe Dahl: uh some additional requirements,
  Steven Ott: Oh
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: and I'll have a look if Well I think we should show them before your presentations, because it's not really uh smart uh to uh to include some things uh we can't, because of the new requirements.
  Donald Hegmann: 'Kay.
  Joe Dahl: Well um then we can make some decisions about our remote control functions. We have to deb we have to decide it in this meeting what our function will be. And then uh we can discuss uh some more closely.
  Steven Ott: We have
  Joe Dahl: Uh
  Steven Ott: forty minutes for this uh discussion?
  Joe Dahl: Uh yeah, I think so.
  Steven Ott: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Well uh the closing uh we'll not uh look at it yet.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Um now I'll look at show this board. Um Well uh notes, first meeting. Now. I gave a disc a a presentation. Uh we familiarised ourself with the boards and then we discussed some first ideas. So we said that uh we have to merge the strong points from our uh competitors,
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: and uh look at their uh remote controls. We should make it uh compatible with our new D_V_D_ and other releases we have, our technical releases.
  Steven Ott: Huh?
  Joe Dahl: Uh not too many one buttons. One recognisable button in the middle, where you do the most important functions with. And um well they can have two functions, because uh you have a D_V_D_ and a television.
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Um the design has to fit the hand, be original, but also be familiar. It's uh one of our ideas. Yeah well that wa It's just thirty minutes ago, so it's not quite uh
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm, now it's right.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: But well I have to do it. The materials uh well should be hard plastic with rubber from, and uh well the labelling of the buttons should be indestructible. It should
  Steven Ott: It's
  Joe Dahl: be
  Steven Ott: meant
  Joe Dahl: uh recognisable
  Steven Ott: to be easily
  Joe Dahl: at
  Steven Ott: wiped
  Joe Dahl: all
  Steven Ott: out,
  Joe Dahl: times.
  Steven Ott: yeah.
  Jose Graves: Mm.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: Okay.
  Joe Dahl: Well fronts were to be just like mobile telephones. And uh the technical aspects um And also labelling of the buttons, the functions should be universal standards. Well that's just uh some ideas from the first meeting.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Joe Dahl: It's quite logical al all of it. Um now the new project requirements, I'll just show them. I got this mail from uh our bosses. Well, teletext goes out.
  Jose Graves: Oh.
  Joe Dahl: We will not use teletext.
  Donald Hegmann: Okay.
  Joe Dahl: Maybe
  Steven Ott: I I
  Joe Dahl: a
  Steven Ott: disagree,
  Joe Dahl: new sort
  Steven Ott: but
  Joe Dahl: of thing,
  Steven Ott: uh it's
  Joe Dahl: but
  Steven Ott: not
  Joe Dahl: n
  Steven Ott: uh t
  Joe Dahl: but not teletext.
  Steven Ott: it's not my place to
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: disagree I guess.
  Joe Dahl: the second is a bit sh pity because we just said
  Jose Graves: Oh.
  Joe Dahl: we wanted to d include the D_V_D_ and they don't want it, because
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: of our time we have for this project.
  Steven Ott: Oh, alright.
  Jose Graves: Oh that's a shame.
  Joe Dahl: So that's a shame, because uh especially for the third requirement we want to reach people under the thirty years. Because uh we don't have those customers a lot at th at this point. Um well it's a bit pity because it's just those people want to have uh one remote control for all those technical devices they
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: can uh
  Donald Hegmann: But let's
  Joe Dahl: reach
  Donald Hegmann: forget
  Joe Dahl: it.
  Donald Hegmann: about it. It's just time-consuming,
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: so we uh have to go
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: on.
  Joe Dahl: and uh our corporate image should stay rec recognisable in our products. So uh we have to uh use uh maybe a slogan, maybe a colour, and um Yeah well uh on our remote controls the design has to be uh, well as we already said a actually, uh familiar.
  Donald Hegmann: Yes.
  Joe Dahl: Uh not only just uh the shape but also our company.
  Steven Ott: Yeah, we are a real fashionable company. I read uh I read it
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: on the
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Mm.
  Steven Ott: I didn't know what company we were, but we uh especially trendy uh
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: trendy trendy stuff. So it
  Joe Dahl: Okay.
  Steven Ott: has to be uh a modern design. That's important to know, uh when you design a thing of course.
  Joe Dahl: Yes. I I uh noted uh our uh slogan that we have, our company. It's uh we mm put the fashion in electronics.
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: So maybe that's a slogan we can put uh somewhere on our remote control or something.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Alright then um we're going to uh have
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: three presentations. You want to start?
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah. I think I have to start.
  Joe Dahl: Oh you have to start? I didn't see anything about uh
  Donald Hegmann: Oh no,
  Joe Dahl: who had to
  Steven Ott: The
  Donald Hegmann: no
  Joe Dahl: start.
  Steven Ott: order?
  Donald Hegmann: problem.
  Steven Ott: No.
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Jose Graves: Mm.
  Joe Dahl: s
  Donald Hegmann: I
  Joe Dahl: then start.
  Donald Hegmann: just have to uh to think which file's mine, 'cause I was uh bit in a hurry.
  Joe Dahl: Okay. Well uh
  Donald Hegmann: I think it's this one. But I'm not sure.
  Joe Dahl: You
  Donald Hegmann: Hmm?
  Joe Dahl: already uh opened uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: PowerPoint.
  Donald Hegmann: S Right. Yes. This is it.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Well, I'm going to tell you something about functional requirements.
  Joe Dahl: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Hegmann: Um to start with these points. Uh next sheet? Um at first I tell you something about what people dislike about the current uh controls, because it's uh a smart thing to exclude those things. Uh, furthermore it's very important what they do like and what they do use. Um then I tell something about um the most important issues. So we have to focus on those three thing three things. And in the end I'll um show you our target audience or our target product users, customers. Well, um the first findings are that people um think most controls are very kind of ug ugly. That's seventy five per cent of the current users. They don't like it, so we might think about fronts in that section. Um They also say, that's about uh I thought it was fifty per cent, uh that more money will be spent on uh better looking controls. So it's very important that you design a a nice looking control. Um the current user uses his machine just about well all of the time for a few functions. Uh, almost every user uses it d the the control for just ten per cent of its capacity. So it's really important to make the the buttons for the common uh tasks kind of big or kind of uh flashy. Furthermore, it's uh seventy five per cent of the users uh zaps a lot. Thus it might be uh might be smart to make a a big uh zapping button or something in the middle, so you can reach it with your thumb.
  Steven Ott: You can
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: zap away.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: yeah right. Right. A lot of losers um users lose their controls in their in their living room. So it might be sensible to make some kind of a button on your television, that's your um your control beeps or something, that you can find
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: this very easily. I dunno, maybe that's
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: an idea. 'Cause it's
  Steven Ott: Oh.
  Donald Hegmann: uh a big I think fifty per cent of the users loses his its control,
  Steven Ott: Oh?
  Joe Dahl: It should
  Donald Hegmann: within the
  Joe Dahl: actually
  Donald Hegmann: same room.
  Joe Dahl: uh It
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: should actually be loose from the television, because it can also be used for other televisions. So if you deliver a small uh click-on device that you can put on your television, that bleeps to your remote control,
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: everyone
  Donald Hegmann: but what
  Joe Dahl: can
  Donald Hegmann: if
  Joe Dahl: use
  Donald Hegmann: you lose
  Joe Dahl: it.
  Donald Hegmann: your click-on device?
  Joe Dahl: No you can click it on your television.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah but if someone d somebody else uses it in ano other room or something?
  Joe Dahl: Yeah in another room, yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Nee
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: but it it specifically
  Joe Dahl: yes.
  Donald Hegmann: says it's uh the the control is lost in the same room.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: So Well a beeping
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: device would
  Joe Dahl: we'll
  Donald Hegmann: be
  Joe Dahl: have a look at it, yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Uh furthermore the learning time is a problem. Uh thirty four thirty four per cent um thinks it's it's too uh too difficult to learn. So the the learning curve should be very short uh for the dumbest people should be able to use it.
  Steven Ott: I think our uh user uh expert should also consider manual a manual for the remote, of course.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah
  Steven Ott: Uh
  Donald Hegmann: but people don't read manuals.
  Steven Ott: I didn't read it? Oh,
  Donald Hegmann: No.
  Jose Graves: No.
  Steven Ott: alright. users to uh add one? Do you think?
  Jose Graves: I don't think
  Donald Hegmann: I think you should put more time in the in the design of uh
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: pick up and use,
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Graves: Yes
  Donald Hegmann: than
  Jose Graves: you should
  Donald Hegmann: a manual.
  Jose Graves: You should
  Steven Ott: Yeah alright.
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Jose Graves: could take
  Steven Ott: Because
  Jose Graves: a look at
  Steven Ott: they don't
  Jose Graves: it
  Steven Ott: use
  Jose Graves: and
  Steven Ott: it?
  Jose Graves: and
  Steven Ott: Alright.
  Jose Graves: and know how it how it's supposed to work.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah. Right.
  Joe Dahl: but it c
  Donald Hegmann: And
  Joe Dahl: can
  Donald Hegmann: it should
  Joe Dahl: be very
  Donald Hegmann: be consistent
  Joe Dahl: short.
  Jose Graves: Yeah but
  Donald Hegmann: with consistent
  Jose Graves: nobody reads
  Donald Hegmann: with older
  Jose Graves: a manual
  Donald Hegmann: remotes.
  Jose Graves: about a remote control, I think.
  Joe Dahl: Yes okay.
  Steven Ott: Well maybe for
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Steven Ott: the If you don't recognise a button who d who d who do I call uh wh
  Jose Graves: Yeah right.
  Steven Ott: when I don't
  Jose Graves: It sh it
  Steven Ott: know
  Jose Graves: should
  Steven Ott: it?
  Jose Graves: be there, the manual. But but not to how the remote. Only
  Donald Hegmann: And we don't have much time. So it's better to uh put our attention to the the design. So you can pick up and use it, than
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: I
  Joe Dahl: we
  Donald Hegmann: think.
  Joe Dahl: are a design
  Jose Graves: Hmm.
  Joe Dahl: team, we can say to some uh writer uh make a manual
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: point.
  Donald Hegmann: right,
  Steven Ott: Isn't it
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Steven Ott: part of
  Joe Dahl: So
  Steven Ott: the of the u No. No.
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: Never mind.
  Joe Dahl: we'll have a look.
  Donald Hegmann: Next
  Joe Dahl: Um
  Donald Hegmann: point.
  Joe Dahl: yes?
  Donald Hegmann: Um R_S_I_. Well that's about twenty per cent I thought. But uh the designer should uh take it uh should uh Wie zeg
  Steven Ott: Consider
  Donald Hegmann: ik dat?
  Steven Ott: the m
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, consider the consequences of using your remote. It
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: should be a good in your hand.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Donald Hegmann: Right, this is the most important part. Um, we're Like the requirements said, we're gonna specify of we're gonna target a younger audience. Um, that's about sixty per cent of the market, so it's uh quite important. Um research shows that they like to have a little L_C_D_ screen on their on their uh zapping uh device. Uh I
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: thought it was the age between sixteen and twenty, ninety nine per cent of uh the people like that. So it's very important we should definitely have that in our uh designs.
  Joe Dahl: Well with twelve Euro fifty as production cost, we can't
  Steven Ott: It's
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Steven Ott: going
  Joe Dahl: afford
  Steven Ott: to be expensive.
  Joe Dahl: an
  Jose Graves: No.
  Joe Dahl: L_C_D_
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah but they think it's really important. So if
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: we want to s If we have a big If we make lots of uh of the stuff, maybe we can uh buy it very cheap, I dunno. We have to uh
  Steven Ott: Well we'll
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: uh consider it uh.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah well uh it's
  Steven Ott: We'll
  Joe Dahl: your
  Steven Ott: think abo
  Joe Dahl: your task
  Steven Ott: we'll think
  Joe Dahl: to uh look into the costs uh of
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: those uh
  Donald Hegmann: I don't know. I don't have any information on
  Joe Dahl: Nigh
  Donald Hegmann: that. So
  Steven Ott: No, we'll
  Joe Dahl: I
  Steven Ott: look
  Joe Dahl: know.
  Steven Ott: we'll look into that later.
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Steven Ott: Alright?
  Donald Hegmann: And uh another thing is uh speech uh recognition. They also like that, but research is very uh costly.
  Jose Graves: I
  Donald Hegmann: So
  Jose Graves: think that's uh difficult to realise also.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, but it it might be important for
  Steven Ott: We
  Donald Hegmann: the sale.
  Steven Ott: have very demanding clients.
  Joe Dahl: It's not yet a standard uh development uh those
  Jose Graves: No and we have
  Joe Dahl: so
  Jose Graves: customers in multiple
  Joe Dahl: We
  Donald Hegmann: think
  Joe Dahl: sh
  Jose Graves: uh
  Donald Hegmann: L_C_D_ is
  Jose Graves: countries
  Donald Hegmann: more
  Jose Graves: I think.
  Donald Hegmann: reachable than the speech
  Joe Dahl: Yeah
  Donald Hegmann: recognition.
  Joe Dahl: absolutely.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: So we might consider L_C_D_ screens.
  Steven Ott: Yeah, yeah, alright. Well
  Jose Graves: No.
  Steven Ott: we'll consider both and and see what uh what what we can find, I think.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Steven Ott: We don't rule them out uh yet.
  Joe Dahl: 'Kay.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright. Um, I think that's it. Um
  Joe Dahl: Alright.
  Donald Hegmann: I think it is sensible to u uh to take this take these points into the notes.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: So you can Right.
  Joe Dahl: Well you I c I can uh still see your presentation.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah. Right.
  Joe Dahl: It's in the Well uh next um I dunno who is next. You uh got uh
  Steven Ott: Shall I give
  Jose Graves: Oh
  Steven Ott: a
  Jose Graves: you
  Steven Ott: technical
  Jose Graves: go.
  Steven Ott: talk?
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Well go ahead.
  Steven Ott: Well uh it is my task to uh explain uh or to point out a working design.
  Joe Dahl: Yip.
  Steven Ott: We have that here. Okay, how do you enlarge it, so that
  Joe Dahl: F_
  Steven Ott: you can
  Joe Dahl: five.
  Steven Ott: have the F_ F_ five.
  Joe Dahl: F_ five.
  Steven Ott: Yep.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Steven Ott: Well, the working design, that's my uh
  Donald Hegmann: Next button.
  Steven Ott: Well alright uh, you know who I am and what I do. So uh we have this. It's a bit uh unclear because I wanted to copy paste something. It
  Donald Hegmann: Oh
  Steven Ott: was
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Steven Ott: originally in black and white but it became black and
  Donald Hegmann: Purple.
  Steven Ott: purple. But I think you can read it.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, yeah,
  Steven Ott: Um
  Donald Hegmann: yeah. A bit.
  Steven Ott: well um I think it's important uh for you to realise the basic function of a remote control. Uh well you can see uh
  Donald Hegmann: Maybe you can select it. So it uh inverts.
  Steven Ott: And I then can select I can select on the
  Donald Hegmann: the
  Steven Ott: dings It
  Donald Hegmann: p the
  Steven Ott: goes
  Donald Hegmann: whole
  Steven Ott: to the next
  Donald Hegmann: picture.
  Steven Ott: page.
  Donald Hegmann: Nah, uh
  Joe Dahl: Click.
  Donald Hegmann: never mind.
  Steven Ott: Well, you can read it, it's not
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: too difficult.
  Jose Graves: go
  Steven Ott: Meanwhile,
  Jose Graves: ahead.
  Steven Ott: this is a schematic uh um view of uh how a basic remote control works. You have uh basically uh the energy, the power of the of the remote control, uh and the sender, w which is the LED, the the the the the the the the the bulb that sends the the infrared
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: beam to the, no, to the set.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Steven Ott: And uh the source is of course the user. Uh the user interface is um uh the the the buttons of course. And the the user interface sends uh the the different signals of the different buttons to the chip, and the chip uh sends it to the LED, and the LED sends it to the receiver. That's the that's the basic
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Steven Ott: idea. Very basic. Um well I have uh uh put it in a in in in a a couple of basic steps. Uh the remote uh is basically just waiting for a user to press a key. It does nothing until uh of course uh the key is pressed. The key a signal to a chip, uh the chip senses the connection. uh and recognise the key. So well you understand. The chip uh produces Morse code, um a specific code to indicate that specific button that is pressed, of course. And it uses transistors in the in the remote control to amplify and to send uh that signal again to the to the LED, which is the bulb, of course. Now the LED produces an infrared beam and signals the, well it's uh very simple, and signals the
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: uh signals to the sensor on the T_V_ set, and the T_V_ set uh also recognises the the the signal, and performs the assigned task.
  Joe Dahl: So it is also why we have to have a button that says uh I'm now busy with a D_V_D_ uh if we had done that. And a
  Steven Ott: Ah
  Joe Dahl: button
  Steven Ott: bu Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: for
  Steven Ott: but we don't.
  Joe Dahl: T_V_.
  Steven Ott: Uh we No
  Joe Dahl: So
  Steven Ott: no, but Yeah. Exactly. Uh well this is uh the basic uh function of a remote. I've some couple of pictures here. It's a very basic one. And uh if we if we're going to add an uh an uh L_C_D_ screen to it, it uh won't look anything like this, but This is very basic uh basically the the shape of um of a remote control. It has uh very little buttons and But it it uh it's it's quite um Yeah, you can easily recognise the buttons. They're uh far enough apart and an anything. It's not very um
  Jose Graves: High
  Steven Ott: uh
  Jose Graves: tech.
  Steven Ott: not very high-tech uh indeed, and it's not very user-friendly. So we have to uh change a little bit uh to that, uh so that uh it becomes more user-friendly, and that uh problems like uh R_S_I_ and uh those kinds
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Steven Ott: of thing don't don't
  Donald Hegmann: Can I say
  Steven Ott: oc
  Donald Hegmann: something?
  Steven Ott: don't occur. Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Um I have a table here about uh the l the relevance of the buttons. Uh the power button is used very much, channel selection, volume and teletext. Well teletext is not an option,
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Hegmann: so that uh But I think it's very important to make um the power, channel and volume buttons uh near to the thumb, so you can't have R_S_I_ uh consequences.
  Steven Ott: Yeah, because they are the the most important buttons
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Steven Ott: and you can
  Donald Hegmann: Make
  Steven Ott: immediately
  Donald Hegmann: them big, make them easy to uh
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: to press.
  Steven Ott: You
  Jose Graves: You
  Steven Ott: don't
  Joe Dahl: but
  Jose Graves: can
  Steven Ott: have
  Jose Graves: also
  Steven Ott: to look and
  Joe Dahl: but
  Steven Ott: and
  Jose Graves: like
  Steven Ott: search for them.
  Joe Dahl: if you have
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: um the most used buttons all in one place, and you keep making the same um well moves.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Jose Graves: I was
  Joe Dahl: But
  Jose Graves: thinking
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: if
  Jose Graves: you
  Joe Dahl: y if
  Jose Graves: can
  Joe Dahl: you would put it at a different place, then you have to move your hands, and that's
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Jose Graves: Are
  Joe Dahl: on
  Donald Hegmann: that's
  Jose Graves: some
  Joe Dahl: of
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Joe Dahl: the things
  Jose Graves: of the
  Joe Dahl: about R_S_I_.
  Donald Hegmann: That's right.
  Jose Graves: the
  Donald Hegmann: That's right.
  Steven Ott: Well
  Jose Graves: the
  Steven Ott: you
  Jose Graves: um
  Donald Hegmann: We
  Steven Ott: you can't have any uh every button under the thumb, of course.
  Joe Dahl: No but the most
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Joe Dahl: important buttons m maybe you can just put them a bit apart
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: so you would
  Donald Hegmann: That's very important. And
  Joe Dahl: reject R_ R_S_I_ R_S_I_.
  Jose Graves: Maybe you can make, for for channel changing, two little buttons on the side of the remote, so you can just do like this. Like
  Joe Dahl: Yes
  Jose Graves: some
  Joe Dahl: I've saw
  Jose Graves: uh
  Joe Dahl: that on m on mi mobile telephones
  Jose Graves: little
  Joe Dahl: they also
  Jose Graves: uh
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Joe Dahl: have
  Donald Hegmann: is
  Jose Graves: Gameboy
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: that
  Joe Dahl: those
  Donald Hegmann: is
  Jose Graves: things
  Joe Dahl: buttons.
  Donald Hegmann: that useable?
  Jose Graves: or some Hmm?
  Donald Hegmann: Do people, uh when they pick up a remote, know that they have to do that? It's
  Jose Graves: Well
  Donald Hegmann: a f it's a new feature,
  Joe Dahl: Well it
  Donald Hegmann: you
  Joe Dahl: it's
  Donald Hegmann: can
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: make make
  Jose Graves: Yeah alright,
  Donald Hegmann: a double
  Jose Graves: but
  Donald Hegmann: feature l like a button on the top and under
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Donald Hegmann: it.
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Jose Graves: but
  Joe Dahl: also i
  Jose Graves: if
  Joe Dahl: if
  Jose Graves: you s
  Joe Dahl: someone
  Jose Graves: say
  Joe Dahl: puts
  Jose Graves: them
  Joe Dahl: picks
  Jose Graves: up
  Joe Dahl: up
  Jose Graves: and down,
  Joe Dahl: his uh
  Jose Graves: they they'll
  Joe Dahl: remote
  Jose Graves: understand it, I think.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Eighty
  Steven Ott: Well,
  Jose Graves: per cent would.
  Joe Dahl: If someone puts up i uh picks up his remote, and he picks up it he he touches the side then
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: he's a already
  Donald Hegmann: he feels
  Joe Dahl: on the next
  Donald Hegmann: it immediately.
  Joe Dahl: channel.
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: That's
  Jose Graves: that's
  Joe Dahl: very
  Jose Graves: true.
  Joe Dahl: irritating,
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, that's right.
  Joe Dahl: I think.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: Well.
  Jose Graves: but
  Donald Hegmann: Right, continue. Sorry.
  Steven Ott: But in e in any case the
  Joe Dahl: No.
  Steven Ott: the basic function should be uh indeed, and as you say at the thumb. I think that's a good idea, and uh and that the less important uh buttons, like the the the different channels, uh the numbers one two three four five as well, should be uh yeah well not in reach, because uh they don't use it uh all the time. Well it's uh pretty pretty
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Steven Ott: basically uh as you said. And I have some pictures of the inside workings, but uh I don't want to get too technical, because
  Joe Dahl: Mm-hmm.
  Steven Ott: uh that's not uh very uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, that's
  Steven Ott: useful
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Joe Dahl: That's
  Steven Ott: for
  Joe Dahl: your
  Steven Ott: you.
  Joe Dahl: part of the job.
  Steven Ott: So yeah exactly this is uh how it uh looks from the inside.
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Steven Ott: And uh well that's about it I think. Oh yeah, I still have this. Oh I had to delete this, but I had to make a schematic
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Steven Ott: uh of the of the new But I had too
  Joe Dahl: Okay.
  Steven Ott: too little time, but uh don't uh
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: don't look at it please.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Steven Ott: I I think
  Joe Dahl: we understand.
  Steven Ott: it's it's clear uh
  Joe Dahl: We understand.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: how
  Donald Hegmann: it's
  Steven Ott: it
  Donald Hegmann: clear.
  Steven Ott: works. Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Oh right,
  Steven Ott: That's
  Joe Dahl: no.
  Steven Ott: the most important thing.
  Joe Dahl: Nice.
  Steven Ott: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Then
  Steven Ott: Uh
  Joe Dahl: uh Mike can uh give the third presentation. How
  Steven Ott: Right.
  Joe Dahl: late is did we start his presentation
  Donald Hegmann: I dunno.
  Joe Dahl: uh?
  Donald Hegmann: I think uh w About
  Joe Dahl: Wha
  Donald Hegmann: twenty minutes ago?
  Joe Dahl: Yeah. Well
  Donald Hegmann: Losing time losing
  Joe Dahl: then we
  Donald Hegmann: time.
  Joe Dahl: have still the time, so But we do have to come to a decision,
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah right.
  Joe Dahl: right
  Donald Hegmann: So
  Joe Dahl: later on. So
  Jose Graves: Mm. Well I thought um everybody on the website uh would see the same thing, but
  Donald Hegmann: I don't think
  Jose Graves: obviously
  Donald Hegmann: so.
  Jose Graves: that's not the case.
  Steven Ott: Yeah, uh there are different uh We have all have different home pages,
  Joe Dahl: Oh yeah?
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: with different links. Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah right.
  Joe Dahl: Uh?
  Jose Graves: For instance you couldn't see this.
  Joe Dahl: Okay, yeah well.
  Jose Graves: Um Yeah. Well I'm Mike, User Interface
  Joe Dahl: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Graves: Designer. The the method? Well I used my own experience with remotes, took a good l look uh at the remotes on the corporate website, which are these two.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Um
  Donald Hegmann: These are already in use?
  Jose Graves: Yes, these are from from another uh manufacturer.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright,
  Jose Graves: Um
  Donald Hegmann: okay.
  Jose Graves: This one is engineering-centred, so this one has the most functions and um things. This one is user-centred.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Graves: Um
  Donald Hegmann: Well
  Joe Dahl: I like user-centred.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, Donald Hegmann too.
  Jose Graves: I like user-centr centred
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: uh uh also the best.
  Joe Dahl: We also do that.
  Jose Graves: Um Well, I thought uh that we uh reduce the the option to control the D_V_D_ also, and teletext and that kind of stuff.
  Donald Hegmann: Mm.
  Jose Graves: Uh so I thought we we we would use more or need more buttons than this one.
  Donald Hegmann: But we have to reject
  Jose Graves: But
  Donald Hegmann: that, because
  Jose Graves: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: of the requirements?
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Th that's why this mm is not relevant any more I
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Jose Graves: feel. Um I think this is about the maximum number of buttons uh we'll need.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, right.
  Jose Graves: I um I kinda like the shape. I think this is what we talked about. But
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: You can't really see uh the differ from different sides. But I think
  Jose Graves: No
  Steven Ott: uh
  Jose Graves: I've Well I showed it somewhere. Um
  Steven Ott: Uh you can draw it if you Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Oh yeah. I think we should go further with the idea of a removable front. So
  Joe Dahl: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Graves: we can can uh yeah customise the
  Joe Dahl: Well absolutely, but i th they all have to have something about um the recognition from our company. So
  Jose Graves: Mm?
  Joe Dahl: we cannot just uh
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: make someone
  Jose Graves: It's a front.
  Joe Dahl: w
  Jose Graves: It's not the the whole remote that changes, of
  Joe Dahl: No
  Jose Graves: course.
  Joe Dahl: but
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Jose Graves: You
  Joe Dahl: that's
  Donald Hegmann: it
  Jose Graves: can
  Joe Dahl: th the side they look uh look at is the front. So if y if you make a a front with just a a tiger on it, then uh
  Jose Graves: Mm.
  Joe Dahl: our recognition is totally gone.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, that's right.
  Jose Graves: Or you can you can can put the same symbol on on every
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Jose Graves: remote. So
  Donald Hegmann: that's
  Jose Graves: l
  Donald Hegmann: a must.
  Jose Graves: like
  Donald Hegmann: We
  Joe Dahl: Yeah,
  Donald Hegmann: must
  Jose Graves: Ericsson
  Donald Hegmann: have
  Steven Ott: We
  Donald Hegmann: that.
  Steven Ott: can
  Joe Dahl: we
  Steven Ott: put
  Joe Dahl: must.
  Jose Graves: does
  Steven Ott: it on the on the back side.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah
  Jose Graves: every uh
  Joe Dahl: well and and
  Jose Graves: S something like this.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Jose Graves: It's recognisable.
  Joe Dahl: 'Kay.
  Donald Hegmann: We can
  Jose Graves: Um
  Donald Hegmann: make a symbol of the company right here. And if you
  Jose Graves: Yeah?
  Donald Hegmann: put a front on it, there's a hole on the front. So
  Steven Ott: Yeah,
  Donald Hegmann: the symbol's
  Steven Ott: so that
  Donald Hegmann: always
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Steven Ott: you
  Joe Dahl: Yeah
  Jose Graves: yeah.
  Steven Ott: don't
  Joe Dahl: yeah
  Jose Graves: Something
  Steven Ott: replace
  Joe Dahl: yeah.
  Jose Graves: like that,
  Steven Ott: the symbol,
  Jose Graves: in the
  Steven Ott: yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Or
  Donald Hegmann: on
  Joe Dahl: the
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: th the the lowest part of the remote isn't changed
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: by the front.
  Donald Hegmann: yeah.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: let's
  Joe Dahl: Those
  Donald Hegmann: not
  Joe Dahl: kind
  Donald Hegmann: focus
  Joe Dahl: of things.
  Donald Hegmann: on the
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: front.
  Joe Dahl: Okay.
  Jose Graves: Um Well so uh uh like I said I thought we'd we'd use more function. If we we had to include more functions. But we don't. So um
  Joe Dahl: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Jose Graves: I think this is about the maximum number of buttons we need. Maybe some less. Like eject we don't need, and some other buttons we don't need. I think
  Steven Ott: Mike,
  Jose Graves: uh
  Steven Ott: uh can you put uh that picture from Donald Hegmann on the in the Word documents file?
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: In Map?
  Jose Graves: I will. I think uh for the remote um uh less is more. The less buttons the better the design. Um
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Jose Graves: We
  Donald Hegmann: I
  Jose Graves: should
  Donald Hegmann: agree.
  Jose Graves: go with that concept I think. I know.
  Joe Dahl: Alright.
  Donald Hegmann: I've I've got another point.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah?
  Donald Hegmann: Um there are two target audi audiences, and we've uh chose for the younger one. Um,
  Jose Graves: Mm.
  Donald Hegmann: research has shown that um it's a high interested uh in features. They are high high interested in feature. But they are more critical. Fo Yeah, critical.
  Steven Ott: The
  Donald Hegmann: So
  Steven Ott: younger uh
  Donald Hegmann: The younger audience.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Hegmann: So we must um must design uh a control that really speaks to the people.
  Joe Dahl: Well what if we um I at I at home have a remote that has um the most familiar uh buttons on the top,
  Donald Hegmann: Mm-hmm.
  Joe Dahl: and the bottom side of the front has a little clip, a f a little uh You can click away and then you have f much more functions that most people don't use but s some do do.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm. I think uh the most functions uh underneath that uh
  Donald Hegmann: Clip aren't
  Steven Ott: uh
  Donald Hegmann: used much.
  Steven Ott: No um
  Joe Dahl: Well but
  Steven Ott: mm
  Joe Dahl: because
  Steven Ott: usually
  Joe Dahl: you say they their features are important, they want
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah right.
  Joe Dahl: m um
  Steven Ott: But
  Joe Dahl: a lot, but not
  Jose Graves: Yeah, but what kind of features?
  Steven Ott: Yeah
  Jose Graves: Like
  Steven Ott: I think
  Jose Graves: L_C_D_ screens
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah
  Jose Graves: and
  Steven Ott: m
  Donald Hegmann: but
  Steven Ott: most
  Jose Graves: voice recognition.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: But I've
  Steven Ott: Most
  Donald Hegmann: Here, look
  Steven Ott: uh
  Donald Hegmann: at these numbers. The newest features are, like I said, are uh L_C_D_ and uh speech uh control. Our audience, these people, are very like these uh features.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Hegmann: You see? So
  Steven Ott: Uh.
  Donald Hegmann: we must build in something, or they will to uh go to the concurrent.
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: The
  Steven Ott: Our
  Joe Dahl: Competitors.
  Steven Ott: competitor.
  Donald Hegmann: concurrent?
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Competitors, right. So, I do think we have to uh have some features.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Even though they
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: cost a little more.
  Joe Dahl: maybe w we could uh s On um some uh calculators you have lo those little little
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: L_C_D_
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: th that you can click on or something, or that you can click uh out uh of the remote. And if if that's gives you a little bit of sta status
  Donald Hegmann: Like
  Joe Dahl: information.
  Donald Hegmann: a ticker-tape.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Which programme you are l watching or something.
  Jose Graves: Yeah, that's nice.
  Joe Dahl: Those kind of things, uh because you also have those uh those program recognition for your V_ V_C_R_s. And uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, right.
  Joe Dahl: well
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: if y
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah right.
  Joe Dahl: if your remote picks that up also, you they can display which programme you're currently watching.
  Steven Ott: Yeah. So it it just signals the the different uh sig uh the different symbols on the screen
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: you have, uh because if you change to s channel two you have two on the screen and two on your on your um
  Joe Dahl: For example.
  Steven Ott: on your L_C_D_ screen.
  Joe Dahl: It it could be such a little uh th that you can click in and out and you and you have it.
  Jose Graves: Yeah, we should keep that simple too.
  Steven Ott: But should
  Jose Graves: It
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: it uh really be
  Jose Graves: will
  Steven Ott: uh clickable, uh
  Donald Hegmann: No not
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: clickable.
  Joe Dahl: maybe.
  Jose Graves: No, it
  Donald Hegmann: Nah,
  Steven Ott: or
  Jose Graves: should
  Donald Hegmann: no
  Jose Graves: be
  Donald Hegmann: no no.
  Jose Graves: uh integrated. I
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: or just
  Donald Hegmann: just
  Jose Graves: think
  Steven Ott: integrate
  Donald Hegmann: at
  Steven Ott: inside to
  Donald Hegmann: at
  Steven Ott: try to
  Donald Hegmann: the
  Steven Ott: make
  Donald Hegmann: top.
  Steven Ott: it d more trendy.
  Donald Hegmann: So when you s you sit like this you can can watch. I think
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: it
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Donald Hegmann: should be
  Jose Graves: something
  Donald Hegmann: at the top.
  Jose Graves: like on
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: um some radios in car. You Where it's, yeah, walking
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah right.
  Jose Graves: to
  Donald Hegmann: It's
  Joe Dahl: R_D_S_s
  Donald Hegmann: a
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: or
  Donald Hegmann: ticker-tape
  Joe Dahl: something.
  Donald Hegmann: idea.
  Steven Ott: But that's of course uh a bit more uh expensive than uh the basic uh calculator design, with the scrolling text and that kind of thing.
  Jose Graves: Wa
  Donald Hegmann: Well it's just
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: one
  Joe Dahl: I
  Donald Hegmann: script.
  Joe Dahl: think it's you got
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: It just means it's a script that's uh keeps it uh rolling, and it's not uh That's five minutes off uh implementing
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: time
  Donald Hegmann: five
  Joe Dahl: I think
  Donald Hegmann: minutes
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: of ja ja for programming.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: So I don't think that's the issue.
  Joe Dahl: No.
  Steven Ott: Alright.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright, we go with the L_C_D_ screen?
  Joe Dahl: Uh well I think so, yes.
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Donald Hegmann: 'Kay.
  Joe Dahl: Um
  Jose Graves: well we we we still need to know how much that will cost.
  Donald Hegmann: Right, I don't know if I can
  Joe Dahl: We're
  Donald Hegmann: find
  Joe Dahl: g
  Donald Hegmann: that,
  Joe Dahl: No but
  Donald Hegmann: but
  Joe Dahl: we're we'll
  Jose Graves: Or
  Joe Dahl: have
  Jose Graves: maybe
  Joe Dahl: to look into
  Jose Graves: you will
  Joe Dahl: that.
  Jose Graves: get that information uh
  Donald Hegmann: Next
  Joe Dahl: Um
  Donald Hegmann: time. Yeah right.
  Joe Dahl: we can use
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: this board again, I think. Uh we can put some um decisions about um the controls we want, th the issue. Where is my presentation? Uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
  Joe Dahl: Uh
  Donald Hegmann: We should have a general idea of how it's gonna look.
  Joe Dahl: Well I mean we're all here now, I think. These I've already given you. So we have to decide on the different remote control functions.
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: So we want to have a small L_C_D_ screen
  Donald Hegmann: At the top.
  Joe Dahl: that's special.
  Steven Ott: Shouldn't we start with the most important
  Jose Graves: At
  Steven Ott: parts?
  Jose Graves: the top
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: The L_C_D_
  Jose Graves: or
  Steven Ott: screen
  Jose Graves: at the bottom?
  Steven Ott: alright
  Donald Hegmann: I think
  Steven Ott: but
  Donald Hegmann: the top
  Steven Ott: we should
  Donald Hegmann: is more
  Steven Ott: start
  Donald Hegmann: uh
  Steven Ott: with the power button? Uh
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: When
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Donald Hegmann: you s
  Jose Graves: but
  Donald Hegmann: How do you zap? You just sit in your chair?
  Steven Ott: Huh?
  Donald Hegmann: With
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Donald Hegmann: the
  Jose Graves: but
  Donald Hegmann: remote?
  Jose Graves: with with the L_C_D_ screen on the top it
  Joe Dahl: That
  Jose Graves: gets
  Joe Dahl: thing is
  Jose Graves: a bit
  Joe Dahl: terrible.
  Jose Graves: unnatural. 'Cause most remotes have some space left at the bottom.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah but that's where your hand ball might be.
  Joe Dahl: Uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Donald Hegmann: I dunno.
  Jose Graves: no Mm.
  Steven Ott: And then uh
  Donald Hegmann: We'll draw two, and then we'll see uh
  Steven Ott: Maybe we should uh centralise the discussion here. I dunno what uh you were
  Donald Hegmann: No
  Steven Ott: talking about but
  Donald Hegmann: Um he
  Steven Ott: we
  Donald Hegmann: thinks
  Steven Ott: are busy with something.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, right. He thinks it's better to put the L_C_D_ at the bottom, and I think it's better at the top.
  Steven Ott: Uh-huh. Why
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: do you think it's better at the bottom?
  Jose Graves: Uh well because most uh remotes have um some space left at the bottom, and that way you can keep the shape recognisable for
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Jose Graves: everybody.
  Donald Hegmann: your
  Steven Ott: But you
  Jose Graves: I
  Steven Ott: just
  Jose Graves: c
  Steven Ott: can put uh the the the the the whole interface a bit down, so that there's
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Well
  Steven Ott: room
  Donald Hegmann: The
  Jose Graves: I d
  Steven Ott: for
  Jose Graves: I think
  Steven Ott: the for
  Jose Graves: that's
  Donald Hegmann: the
  Steven Ott: the interface.
  Donald Hegmann: ticker
  Jose Graves: that's
  Donald Hegmann: The L_C_D_
  Jose Graves: ugly
  Donald Hegmann: is
  Jose Graves: but
  Donald Hegmann: like like small. It's it's wide. It's
  Steven Ott: Uh-huh.
  Donald Hegmann: not not high. But
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: And and
  Joe Dahl: I th
  Steven Ott: we
  Joe Dahl: I
  Steven Ott: can
  Jose Graves: I
  Joe Dahl: think
  Jose Graves: th
  Joe Dahl: Mike Mike has a point, because
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: um
  Jose Graves: Power
  Joe Dahl: when when
  Jose Graves: button
  Joe Dahl: uh when I
  Jose Graves: always
  Joe Dahl: use a remote
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: I l I hate the buttons but buttons at the at the
  Steven Ott: Bottom.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: bottom. So and and
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: I
  Jose Graves: y
  Joe Dahl: I like
  Jose Graves: you
  Joe Dahl: to
  Jose Graves: gotta
  Joe Dahl: use the
  Jose Graves: zap
  Joe Dahl: ones
  Jose Graves: like this or you want
  Joe Dahl: on the
  Jose Graves: to
  Joe Dahl: top. So
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: when
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Joe Dahl: I
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Joe Dahl: u when I have to have an L_C_D_
  Steven Ott: Well
  Joe Dahl: s scr
  Donald Hegmann: We're making
  Joe Dahl: window
  Steven Ott: that's
  Donald Hegmann: a remote
  Steven Ott: a
  Donald Hegmann: with
  Steven Ott: bit exaggerated. Well, I agree with you.
  Donald Hegmann: with a few functions you know.
  Steven Ott: It's
  Donald Hegmann: We
  Steven Ott: it's also more recognisable. It looks more like a calculator to people, if you have the l the the
  Joe Dahl: Yes but we we we
  Steven Ott: the
  Joe Dahl: we
  Steven Ott: thing
  Joe Dahl: don't
  Steven Ott: on top.
  Joe Dahl: want that.
  Jose Graves: Yeah you don't want
  Joe Dahl: We don't
  Jose Graves: You want
  Joe Dahl: want
  Jose Graves: uh
  Joe Dahl: them to look
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: like a calculator.
  Jose Graves: it
  Joe Dahl: We
  Jose Graves: it
  Joe Dahl: want to
  Jose Graves: it
  Joe Dahl: look
  Jose Graves: must
  Joe Dahl: it
  Jose Graves: be a remote.
  Joe Dahl: like our original
  Steven Ott: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: but
  Steven Ott: w
  Joe Dahl: familiar
  Steven Ott: well, but uh you
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: don't have to throw uh um important aspe
  Donald Hegmann: High-tech.
  Steven Ott: important aspect like familiarity
  Joe Dahl: Yea
  Steven Ott: uh completely away, uh because
  Joe Dahl: Maybe
  Steven Ott: I think
  Joe Dahl: a
  Steven Ott: it's
  Joe Dahl: bic
  Steven Ott: uh
  Joe Dahl: uh better uh white uh We White?
  Steven Ott: I think
  Donald Hegmann: Width.
  Steven Ott: it's still important to
  Joe Dahl: Width.
  Steven Ott: have it at the top,
  Joe Dahl: Uh
  Steven Ott: because it's
  Joe Dahl: format
  Steven Ott: uh
  Joe Dahl: yeah format? Line width? Width?
  Donald Hegmann: Th
  Steven Ott: it's more familiar
  Donald Hegmann: that's not
  Steven Ott: that
  Donald Hegmann: a problem.
  Steven Ott: way.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah?
  Donald Hegmann: When I draw here it Oh. Huh?
  Joe Dahl: It's a bit off.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, it's off.
  Joe Dahl: Well.
  Steven Ott: A little a little bit.
  Donald Hegmann: It it needs to be calibrated
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: again.
  Joe Dahl: uh let's
  Donald Hegmann: Well
  Joe Dahl: uh talk about that later uh
  Steven Ott: Maybe you should another pen. Maybe that's uh better.
  Donald Hegmann: Where?
  Steven Ott: You e you only have
  Joe Dahl: It's
  Steven Ott: one pen
  Joe Dahl: special
  Steven Ott: for that
  Joe Dahl: pen.
  Steven Ott: screen. Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright, we have to make a decision now, because
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: we don't have much time.
  Joe Dahl: No.
  Donald Hegmann: Um I think we have uh a few functions, and we can put uh the L_C_D_ above it, and still have lots of room at the bottom,
  Steven Ott: Yeah. I
  Donald Hegmann: where you can put
  Steven Ott: I
  Donald Hegmann: your
  Steven Ott: agree.
  Donald Hegmann: hand.
  Joe Dahl: I think it should be at the button, bottom.
  Steven Ott: Well
  Jose Graves: At the bottom?
  Steven Ott: I'm
  Joe Dahl: Bottom.
  Steven Ott: the I I'm the designer,
  Joe Dahl: The L_C_D_.
  Steven Ott: so um
  Jose Graves: In a
  Donald Hegmann: At
  Jose Graves: few
  Donald Hegmann: the
  Jose Graves: minutes
  Donald Hegmann: bot
  Jose Graves: Oh yeah, oh
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: yeah, I totally
  Donald Hegmann: So
  Jose Graves: agree. Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: We are two uh V_S_ two.
  Joe Dahl: Well but uh what what if we we
  Jose Graves: He's
  Joe Dahl: first
  Jose Graves: the boss.
  Joe Dahl: decide the different functions,
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: and then
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: look at the
  Donald Hegmann: Great.
  Joe Dahl: design.
  Steven Ott: Uh we uh
  Joe Dahl: Because
  Steven Ott: we
  Joe Dahl: we
  Steven Ott: were
  Joe Dahl: have to
  Steven Ott: busy
  Joe Dahl: decide
  Steven Ott: with that.
  Joe Dahl: this.
  Steven Ott: Uh yeah we should uh summon the
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: the different uh aspects of the thing. So, we have the power button.
  Donald Hegmann: And moreover I think that you two should be uh come to consensus about the L_C_D_
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: s. It's uh your it's your job.
  Steven Ott: Yeah of course. Uh it's uh.
  Jose Graves: No
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: it's
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: W
  Jose Graves: our
  Joe Dahl: we have
  Jose Graves: job.
  Steven Ott: wh
  Joe Dahl: a power button. Guys?
  Steven Ott: While you have to agree, I
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: can say
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Steven Ott: it's like this and
  Joe Dahl: Guys?
  Donald Hegmann: Alright,
  Steven Ott: you must agree.
  Donald Hegmann: let's
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: keep
  Joe Dahl: We
  Donald Hegmann: it
  Joe Dahl: have
  Donald Hegmann: central.
  Joe Dahl: a power button, setting buttons, L_C_D_ window,
  Jose Graves: The ten
  Joe Dahl: the number
  Jose Graves: numbers?
  Joe Dahl: buttons
  Jose Graves: Yeah?
  Steven Ott: Channel, yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Uh
  Jose Graves: Volume?
  Steven Ott: Volume control.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: Um
  Donald Hegmann: Mm.
  Joe Dahl: Uh
  Steven Ott: Well let's look at your uh design.
  Joe Dahl: the mute
  Steven Ott: Uh
  Joe Dahl: button. I h love that one.
  Steven Ott: Uh-huh.
  Jose Graves: I think we we should use something like this um to um The the channel up and channel down button?
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Jose Graves: Yeah, in circle, you know?
  Joe Dahl: Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Well
  Jose Graves: And
  Joe Dahl: that's
  Jose Graves: and
  Joe Dahl: that's
  Jose Graves: a
  Joe Dahl: also
  Jose Graves: volume
  Joe Dahl: design.
  Jose Graves: control also
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Jose Graves: in it.
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: Um
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: But
  Joe Dahl: h
  Steven Ott: th
  Joe Dahl: ho
  Steven Ott: th on this remote th these controls are for something else, a D_V_D_
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: player or
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: something.
  Jose Graves: Yes,
  Joe Dahl: They
  Steven Ott: So
  Joe Dahl: are
  Jose Graves: as
  Joe Dahl: for some
  Jose Graves: I
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Jose Graves: already
  Joe Dahl: video
  Jose Graves: said,
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Jose Graves: we could drop some of these buttons.
  Donald Hegmann: You should put that uh power button, channel and volume should have the most uh importance.
  Jose Graves: Yeah. I think these should be in one big circle in the middle.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, but what he said about R_S_I_ was t kinda true. When when you uh put them all in the same place, the most used buttons, you're doing the same thing all the time, and that's just what R_S_I_'s all about. So it might be smarter to put them a little more
  Joe Dahl: Apart.
  Donald Hegmann: away from each other.
  Joe Dahl: So people have to move their hand. And they get less uh complaints of R_S_I_.
  Steven Ott: Yeah, it's it's also not good to completely stay in one position constantly with one hand. Y
  Joe Dahl: That's what I always do, because
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: all my i important buttons
  Steven Ott: It's
  Joe Dahl: are the
  Steven Ott: good
  Joe Dahl: same
  Steven Ott: to move
  Joe Dahl: place.
  Steven Ott: uh from time to time. Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Donald Hegmann: Um
  Jose Graves: but
  Joe Dahl: Yes?
  Jose Graves: people don't like it when their buttons are all over the place. They
  Steven Ott: No
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: but
  Joe Dahl: not
  Jose Graves: they need
  Steven Ott: now
  Jose Graves: to
  Steven Ott: y
  Jose Graves: be centred.
  Steven Ott: W would we have to choose a
  Donald Hegmann: Frequency
  Steven Ott: way
  Donald Hegmann: of
  Steven Ott: in middle?
  Donald Hegmann: uh button use.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: Um channels are uh most uh is most used within the hour.
  Joe Dahl: Uh-huh.
  Jose Graves: Volume
  Donald Hegmann: You
  Jose Graves: hardly.
  Donald Hegmann: can see. So the the channel uh channel buttons should
  Steven Ott: Mm-hmm.
  Donald Hegmann: be far far apart, I think, up and down.
  Jose Graves: No I don't think.
  Steven Ott: Oh.
  Joe Dahl: Up
  Steven Ott: Far
  Joe Dahl: and
  Steven Ott: apart?
  Joe Dahl: down far apart from each other?
  Donald Hegmann: You thinking uh about
  Jose Graves: Yeah but
  Donald Hegmann: R_S_I_?
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Jose Graves: but
  Donald Hegmann: Y
  Joe Dahl: not
  Donald Hegmann: look
  Joe Dahl: too
  Donald Hegmann: at
  Joe Dahl: much.
  Donald Hegmann: uh look
  Jose Graves: No.
  Donald Hegmann: at the frequency. Nei not too much, but
  Jose Graves: The other the other two uh frustrations are far more important. So
  Steven Ott: I think you can have the two buttons of up and down close together, but you don't have uh have to have volume control
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: and
  Joe Dahl: for example
  Steven Ott: and
  Joe Dahl: the power
  Steven Ott: zapping button
  Joe Dahl: button,
  Steven Ott: close together.
  Joe Dahl: you can
  Jose Graves: Well they are used four times
  Joe Dahl: If someone
  Jose Graves: an hour,
  Joe Dahl: is
  Jose Graves: so
  Joe Dahl: constantly z zapping, it's not going to miss, that it that the power button is not right beside it. Because I
  Donald Hegmann: Nei
  Joe Dahl: have
  Donald Hegmann: nei nei
  Joe Dahl: someone
  Donald Hegmann: n I I
  Joe Dahl: But
  Donald Hegmann: totally
  Joe Dahl: the buttons
  Donald Hegmann: agree.
  Joe Dahl: is way. So
  Donald Hegmann: But
  Joe Dahl: that one
  Donald Hegmann: just
  Joe Dahl: can be put away.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah. Right. Yeah. I
  Joe Dahl: The power
  Donald Hegmann: agree.
  Joe Dahl: button can uh be uh uh
  Jose Graves: Power bu button should be left at the top.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: And should and should be red.
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Oh man, five minutes. Yeah, well
  Donald Hegmann: Right,
  Joe Dahl: five minutes left.
  Donald Hegmann: just make some decisions.
  Joe Dahl: Yep.
  Donald Hegmann: The most important things we have to uh
  Joe Dahl: Um how are we going to do it
  Steven Ott: C c
  Joe Dahl: with
  Steven Ott: can you
  Joe Dahl: those
  Steven Ott: make you
  Joe Dahl: numbers?
  Steven Ott: make We can use uh the drawing board now, I think. Uh it it doesn't work well but But it it
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: would be
  Joe Dahl: I have
  Steven Ott: pretty
  Joe Dahl: it here.
  Steven Ott: pretty uh nice if we could just draw a simple
  Donald Hegmann: I do
  Steven Ott: thing.
  Joe Dahl: Yeah
  Donald Hegmann: think you
  Joe Dahl: well
  Donald Hegmann: have
  Joe Dahl: that's
  Donald Hegmann: to
  Joe Dahl: going
  Donald Hegmann: keep
  Joe Dahl: to take
  Donald Hegmann: you
  Joe Dahl: too
  Donald Hegmann: have
  Joe Dahl: too
  Donald Hegmann: to
  Joe Dahl: much
  Donald Hegmann: keep
  Joe Dahl: time.
  Donald Hegmann: it central now. Just
  Jose Graves: Mm.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: uh
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: you decide that, you decide that,
  Steven Ott: Mm.
  Donald Hegmann: and
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: Alright.
  Donald Hegmann: ready.
  Joe Dahl: Well the L_C_D_. Um you are Industrial, you are User Interface. So I think it's going to go to Mike.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: But you will have to make consensus with. Well
  Jose Graves: Well consensus,
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Jose Graves: um
  Joe Dahl: it's a bit
  Donald Hegmann: Nei.
  Joe Dahl: hard,
  Jose Graves: We we
  Joe Dahl: because
  Jose Graves: can
  Joe Dahl: we
  Donald Hegmann: We're
  Jose Graves: put
  Joe Dahl: are going
  Jose Graves: it in
  Joe Dahl: to
  Jose Graves: the
  Joe Dahl: be
  Jose Graves: middle,
  Donald Hegmann: No
  Joe Dahl: uh individually.
  Jose Graves: so
  Joe Dahl: That's a bit
  Donald Hegmann: We're
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: deciding now,
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: so Top or bottom?
  Steven Ott: Well uh yeah I I still think it's it's quite important though to uh
  Joe Dahl: Yes it
  Steven Ott: to
  Joe Dahl: is.
  Steven Ott: have it at the top, so Yeah. You say familiarity isn't important but
  Joe Dahl: Well what if we're going to now decide about the functions, and the design comes into the next round?
  Donald Hegmann: Okay.
  Joe Dahl: Plus the d th
  Steven Ott: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: the design
  Steven Ott: d
  Joe Dahl: round is still to come huh?
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: right. Okay.
  Jose Graves: Alright.
  Joe Dahl: Alright these functions.
  Steven Ott: As we we we
  Joe Dahl: The number
  Steven Ott: we agreed,
  Joe Dahl: f
  Steven Ott: we do
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: have a L_C_D_.
  Joe Dahl: yes,
  Steven Ott: So
  Joe Dahl: that's alright.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: that's
  Donald Hegmann: okay.
  Joe Dahl: W the number function.
  Steven Ott: that's enough. Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Are we going to uh do it like uh on Mike's screen with uh one button that says I'm going to do a t two number digital?
  Jose Graves: No.
  Joe Dahl: How do you want it to do then?
  Steven Ott: There's
  Jose Graves: Well
  Steven Ott: one two
  Jose Graves: just
  Steven Ott: three four five
  Jose Graves: when
  Steven Ott: six
  Jose Graves: you
  Joe Dahl: It
  Steven Ott: six
  Joe Dahl: it has
  Jose Graves: push
  Steven Ott: seven
  Joe Dahl: to
  Jose Graves: a
  Steven Ott: eight
  Joe Dahl: r
  Steven Ott: nine
  Joe Dahl: recognise
  Jose Graves: one one
  Steven Ott: zero.
  Jose Graves: and
  Joe Dahl: one as there could still come more.
  Jose Graves: No, if you
  Steven Ott: Oh,
  Jose Graves: On
  Steven Ott: like that.
  Jose Graves: most
  Steven Ott: Um
  Jose Graves: T_V_s if you uh press two numbers shortly after each other,
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: They'd recognise
  Jose Graves: d it Yeah.
  Steven Ott: it. Th
  Joe Dahl: Alright
  Steven Ott: that's
  Joe Dahl: so
  Steven Ott: the
  Joe Dahl: no
  Steven Ott: most
  Joe Dahl: button for
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: that.
  Steven Ott: That that's
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: very easy.
  Donald Hegmann: No.
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Okay uh anyone any uh oth other functionalities of our uh remote?
  Steven Ott: I think these are the the most important
  Donald Hegmann: Do
  Steven Ott: functions.
  Donald Hegmann: you still have the pictures over there?
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: So
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, that's about it. You do need the uh multi Or did uh No, like this one. You do need them?
  Joe Dahl: No, we'd
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: uh just said we
  Donald Hegmann: I
  Joe Dahl: didn't
  Donald Hegmann: know.
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: But are we Alright, alright
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Donald Hegmann: uh
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: Now okay.
  Joe Dahl: Um well because we can't integrate it with any other uh remotes, all those buttons on those pictures are uh irrelevant.
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Joe Dahl: So just for a television is that all we need?
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, it's most useable this way.
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: basic function.
  Joe Dahl: Teletext is gone. So all those buttons that ar are to do with teletext Oh screen placing. We'll have uh those uh buttons about uh And uh the two important ones we're l f forgetting. Uh there's um screen. You can make it wider and
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: less wide. And the button that you can go to A_V_ for your video.
  Donald Hegmann: Right. I do
  Steven Ott: Oh yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: think we have to put that underneath a clip.
  Joe Dahl: Those two? But it's just two,
  Steven Ott: Uh
  Joe Dahl: and we make
  Steven Ott: just
  Joe Dahl: a clip?
  Steven Ott: two just two under uh under
  Joe Dahl: Th that's
  Steven Ott: uh
  Joe Dahl: a
  Jose Graves: We
  Joe Dahl: bit
  Jose Graves: we
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Jose Graves: can make
  Joe Dahl: waste.
  Jose Graves: make uh a little row of like four buttons down here.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah. Okay, right.
  Steven Ott: I
  Joe Dahl: Or
  Steven Ott: I think
  Joe Dahl: at
  Steven Ott: uh
  Joe Dahl: the top. Your L_C_D_ screen is
  Jose Graves: Or
  Joe Dahl: going
  Jose Graves: at
  Joe Dahl: to go.
  Steven Ott: But you you can
  Jose Graves: Yeah
  Steven Ott: put
  Jose Graves: alright
  Steven Ott: uh
  Jose Graves: then.
  Steven Ott: two or three buttons under uh another section. Uh that's that's too complicated.
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: You can just put it somewhere They
  Joe Dahl: Yeah
  Steven Ott: they aren't used much, not as much as those other, so you
  Jose Graves: Oh,
  Steven Ott: can
  Jose Graves: they
  Steven Ott: put
  Jose Graves: can
  Steven Ott: it somewhere
  Jose Graves: be small or round
  Steven Ott: Yeah s
  Jose Graves: like
  Steven Ott: bit
  Jose Graves: buttons.
  Steven Ott: smaller and s Well uh and and I think more at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah or at the top, yeah. What do you think uh those those buttons? Above
  Joe Dahl: Well I
  Steven Ott: or
  Joe Dahl: think they
  Steven Ott: down?
  Joe Dahl: should in an in an isolated part of the remote.
  Steven Ott: And w where? Well we design it later. We have it, and we design
  Joe Dahl: Yes?
  Steven Ott: later where everything
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Steven Ott: goes. Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Yes. Well any other uh
  Donald Hegmann: Well if you you
  Jose Graves: Why go
  Donald Hegmann: take
  Jose Graves: to
  Donald Hegmann: those
  Jose Graves: video?
  Donald Hegmann: th If you
  Joe Dahl: Go to video, that's always on your remote control.
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, but
  Joe Dahl: To
  Donald Hegmann: you can z
  Joe Dahl: A_V_
  Donald Hegmann: you
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Donald Hegmann: can
  Joe Dahl: to
  Donald Hegmann: zap
  Joe Dahl: A_V_
  Donald Hegmann: t
  Steven Ott: The
  Donald Hegmann: you
  Steven Ott: the video
  Donald Hegmann: can
  Joe Dahl: A_V_
  Steven Ott: channel
  Donald Hegmann: you
  Steven Ott: uh?
  Donald Hegmann: can zap
  Joe Dahl: A_V_.
  Donald Hegmann: to the video channel
  Jose Graves: That's
  Donald Hegmann: from
  Jose Graves: just
  Donald Hegmann: zero
  Jose Graves: zero.
  Donald Hegmann: to uh
  Jose Graves: Yeah.
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Steven Ott: No no
  Joe Dahl: l
  Steven Ott: not
  Joe Dahl: n no
  Steven Ott: always.
  Joe Dahl: not at not at
  Steven Ott: Ze
  Joe Dahl: my remote.
  Steven Ott: yeah zero is a different channel than uh
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: the
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Steven Ott: the
  Jose Graves: but
  Steven Ott: video
  Jose Graves: you can
  Steven Ott: channel.
  Jose Graves: can zap
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, but
  Jose Graves: down
  Donald Hegmann: when you zap down zero
  Joe Dahl: Yes.
  Donald Hegmann: you get to A_V_.
  Jose Graves: Yes, I
  Joe Dahl: I
  Jose Graves: think
  Joe Dahl: don't.
  Jose Graves: th
  Joe Dahl: I go to ninety-nine.
  Jose Graves: No,
  Donald Hegmann: Ah uh
  Jose Graves: then
  Donald Hegmann: well
  Jose Graves: you press ninety
  Donald Hegmann: whatever,
  Jose Graves: nine. I think go to video is an
  Joe Dahl: Th
  Jose Graves: irrelevant
  Joe Dahl: that's the button
  Jose Graves: button,
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Jose Graves: but
  Joe Dahl: No.
  Steven Ott: But it's easy to go If you are at uh at channel uh fifty five and you want to uh go immediately to the video channel, you do you have to push a to
  Joe Dahl: No
  Steven Ott: to get
  Joe Dahl: you can
  Steven Ott: below
  Joe Dahl: ch push
  Steven Ott: zero.
  Joe Dahl: zero.
  Steven Ott: It's more
  Joe Dahl: Yeah.
  Steven Ott: easy to get to uh
  Joe Dahl: Yeah, I I
  Steven Ott: where the
  Joe Dahl: think
  Steven Ott: specific uh
  Joe Dahl: that
  Steven Ott: video
  Joe Dahl: one
  Steven Ott: channel
  Joe Dahl: button
  Steven Ott: button.
  Joe Dahl: is uh I use it uh
  Donald Hegmann: Yeah, but if we're choosing to uh incorporate these buttons, you have to have uh channel setting, if you wa if you have a new T_V_. You have
  Joe Dahl: Yeah?
  Donald Hegmann: to set the channels. Right all th these uh different buttons you
  Joe Dahl: These
  Donald Hegmann: have
  Joe Dahl: buttons,
  Donald Hegmann: to
  Joe Dahl: I don't have buttons for channel setting uh especially on my remote.
  Donald Hegmann: Ah,
  Steven Ott: Yeah well
  Donald Hegmann: I do.
  Steven Ott: uh
  Joe Dahl: It's
  Steven Ott: d
  Joe Dahl: it's
  Jose Graves: Yeah well
  Steven Ott: different
  Joe Dahl: incorporated
  Steven Ott: screen settings
  Joe Dahl: with
  Jose Graves: y you must
  Joe Dahl: p
  Jose Graves: have.
  Steven Ott: a
  Joe Dahl: m
  Steven Ott: Yeah, sk
  Joe Dahl: plus and down, uh
  Steven Ott: Yeah y
  Joe Dahl: those
  Steven Ott: you you you
  Jose Graves: Yeah you yeah
  Steven Ott: you
  Jose Graves: you have
  Steven Ott: have
  Jose Graves: one
  Steven Ott: screen width.
  Jose Graves: one button from s set frequency o or something, and then with plus and min minus you can uh adjust
  Donald Hegmann: Right.
  Jose Graves: the uh
  Donald Hegmann: That's the only one we put uh in there.
  Joe Dahl: So we still have one uh four?
  Donald Hegmann: For a screen uh fu uh
  Joe Dahl: Ch
  Donald Hegmann: channel setting.
  Joe Dahl: ch
  Steven Ott: Yeah to uh oh yeah of course to configure
  Donald Hegmann: Programme,
  Steven Ott: the
  Donald Hegmann: right.
  Steven Ott: programme
  Joe Dahl: Okay.
  Steven Ott: the
  Joe Dahl: Oh the Okay button?
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Donald Hegmann: Uh
  Joe Dahl: Oh you always have in the centre an Okay button,
  Steven Ott: Yeah.
  Jose Graves: Yeah, alright.
  Joe Dahl: for your menu. Menu button.
  Steven Ott: You should Yeah. I think that's important. Uh
  Joe Dahl: Channel, setting, menu. We
  Steven Ott: And and the settings
  Joe Dahl: have
  Steven Ott: to change the brightness
  Joe Dahl: to go.
  Steven Ott: the settings to change the brightness and the contrast.
  Joe Dahl: Okay.
  Steven Ott: Channel, yeah.
  Joe Dahl: So um
  Steven Ott: Chief?
  Joe Dahl: Save.
  Steven Ott: Chief?
  Joe Dahl: Yes see.
  Steven Ott: Th the menu menu button is also important. Then
  Joe Dahl: Yes
  Steven Ott: you can
  Joe Dahl: I have
  Steven Ott: uh
  Joe Dahl: put it in.
  Steven Ott: Where? I don't see it.
  Joe Dahl: Here.
  Steven Ott: Oh Menu, alright.
  Jose Graves: I think things like uh contrast and brightness should be um
  Steven Ott: In the menu.
  Jose Graves: in the menu,
  Steven Ott: And
  Jose Graves: yeah.
  Steven Ott: you can uh then adjust it with the zapping buttons or something.
  Jose Graves: Yeah, the
  Steven Ott: Because uh
  Joe Dahl: Alright.
  Steven Ott: the zapping buttons aren't
  Jose Graves: Or
  Steven Ott: used
  Jose Graves: the volume
  Steven Ott: then if you
  Jose Graves: or
  Steven Ott: are in
  Jose Graves: something
  Steven Ott: the menu.
  Jose Graves: like
  Joe Dahl: Guys?
  Jose Graves: that.
  Steven Ott: Yeah. Or
  Joe Dahl: We're
  Steven Ott: the
  Joe Dahl: going
  Steven Ott: volume,
  Joe Dahl: to
  Steven Ott: yeah.
  Joe Dahl: uh go to our uh rooms, and uh we'll
  Jose Graves: Your pen.
  Joe Dahl: have to decide s
  Donald Hegmann: Ah.
  Joe Dahl: things on our own I think.
  Donald Hegmann: Great.
  Joe Dahl: So
  Steven Ott: Yes chief.
  Donald Hegmann: Alright.
  Jose Graves: I thought
  Joe Dahl: Well
  Jose Graves: we'd
  Joe Dahl: see
  Jose Graves: uh
  Joe Dahl: you
  Jose Graves: lunch
  Steven Ott: Yeah
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Steven Ott: this
  Joe Dahl: W w
  Steven Ott: is
  Jose Graves: uh
  Joe Dahl: we
  Jose Graves: right
  Joe Dahl: have lunchtime,
  Jose Graves: now,
  Steven Ott: this
  Jose Graves: or
  Steven Ott: is your
  Jose Graves: not?
  Steven Ott: thing.
  Joe Dahl: by the way, now
  Donald Hegmann: Ah.
  Jose Graves: Yeah,
  Joe Dahl: uh so
  Donald Hegmann: Okay.
  Jose Graves: lunch
  Joe Dahl: uh
  Jose Graves: break.
  Steven Ott: I am hungry.
  Joe Dahl: Lunch.
  Donald Hegmann: Get into my belly.
  Joe Dahl: Ah. We didn't exactly do everything
  Steven Ott: See you later mate.
  Joe Dahl: but So
Updated Content: There are some new requirements for the project: the device will have to be for TV only, they should ignore the teletext function, as it is dated, and, also, the remote should be recognisable as a Real Reaction product. The target group will be people below 30. It transpires that customers are willing to pay more for fancier looking remotes, especially if they include LCD screens and speech recognition. Functions like zapping are very prevalent, as well as complaints about remotes being difficult to learn and easy to lose. The function of the remote is relatively simple: by pressing a button a current is passed to the chip, and defines what signal is to be sent to the receiver (the TV) via infrared. The team agreed to follow a user-centred approach and simplify the design by somehow minimising the number of buttons. They plan to include an LCD screen to display relevant information. Other functions are served by push buttons: OK, menu, screen sizing, AV, settings buttons, mute, digits 1-9, power, volume control, channel up/down with the last three types being prominent on the device. The exact design and placement of the components will be decided in the next meeting.