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  Matthew Wall: Uh Martijn.
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  Donnie Cammarata: Oh. Sorry.
  Jose Labranche: Uh let's see. Which one was
  James Hull: So
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  James Hull: let's have a look, we have forty minutes, so it's it's more than enough. Okay, perfect. So we have Oh no, what's that? So so we have uh forty minutes for this uh for this second meeting, and we have to
  Jose Labranche: Good.
  James Hull: make uh sure that we going t that we are sure, that we are, that we know what we're going to make uh th what the product is going to like look like. Uh first I have the notes of the last meeting, so I showed uh show them to you. Oh, sorry about that, I just escape this one. How do I escape this?
  Matthew Wall: What?
  James Hull: How do I I escape this s uh presentation?
  Jose Labranche: Uh
  Matthew Wall: Uh
  Jose Labranche: left.
  James Hull: Ah okay.
  Matthew Wall: Just
  Jose Labranche: So
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: And show, sorry. Okay, so let's have a look s at this one. Okay, so the f the f the points we had last meeting was the um Should be a univ uh universal remote control No, that's I uh s I just got a email from the from the personal coach and it should be a T_V_ remote control only. So have you changed that part?
  Jose Labranche: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  James Hull: Um so yeah, it still has to be uh f a r a remote control for kids and elderly. It's it's still the same. Um All these points uh we have to look at. You all know them. But uh there's another point. The um uh the main uh people of interest of this company are forty plus people. So they're old and not younger people. So we have to look at that as well. 'Specially old people, maybe bi bigger buttons or something, I dunno.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, okay.
  James Hull: Uh so So yeah, that's it, so just you can do your presentation for uh
  Jose Labranche: Which one first?
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  James Hull: Oh it doesn't matter, just start with the
  Jose Labranche: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm.
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh
  Jose Labranche: Functional requirements, yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay. Well my name is Jens Damman, but we're in a group, and I I will start it. Wait. Um I've used a marketing report on uh the site. Uh I think you've uh read it too. and uh f and furthermore I uh surfed the o the other site.
  James Hull: I I didn't read i read it, so it's not
  Donnie Cammarata: You didn't
  James Hull: for Donnie Cammarata,
  Donnie Cammarata: read it?
  James Hull: I didn't get
  Jose Labranche: No,
  James Hull: it uh anyway.
  Jose Labranche: I didn
  Donnie Cammarata: Oh okay,
  James Hull: It's
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  Jose Labranche: it.
  Donnie Cammarata: the only one who get it.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Yes.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay it was uh uh uh um um a report about uh an experiment with uh a lot of users. And uh they had a lot of findings in their report uh with statistical uh uh uh thing uh with statistical uh proof. So I um I had three pages with findings and sev a lot of uh a lot of findings. So we can use this uh to uh create our own remote control. Uh seventy five percent of the users find uh most remote controls ugly. Yeah, I think uh uh that's a lot, so we have to make a beautiful remote control. Uh eighty percent of users would spend when uh a remote control will l uh look fancy. I think this fits uh at the uh what what uh Michael said about uh older people. Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good. Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at. Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot. Well okay, that's uh normal. I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons. But that's one of our requirements.
  James Hull: The last point is quite an interesting
  Donnie Cammarata: Yes, fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons. Um Martijn
  James Hull: So if
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  James Hull: we
  Donnie Cammarata: already said it.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one, but I don't think it's uh
  James Hull: Yeah, we should have the ten percent
  Donnie Cammarata: reachable.
  James Hull: on the on the top, then you're you're
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, the ten percent on the
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: top, yeah. That that's a good one. Um uh page two. Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room. That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something. Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system, so when you clap your hands it will beep or something. Uh you must find it
  Jose Labranche: Uh.
  Donnie Cammarata: uh quickly.
  Jose Labranche: Maybe just a button on the home station. So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay, yeah. Yeah, we can uh combine that. Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control. Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this. It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent. But it's uh a tough one. Because if we make a ha whole new product, our own style, we we c uh this is so difficult, uh a difficulty I think. Uh next, remote controls are bad for R_S_I_. Yeah, but only if they zap a lot, and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something. I don't We we haven't Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point. Okay, last page. Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets, like uh speech recognition. We didn't uh think about that already. And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control. We already thought about that. Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features. And but they're more critical. And older people uh want to spend uh more money. But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features, because they're in their old uh thinking way. And they want to keep the old uh things the old things.
  James Hull: So we have uh a new uh age
  Donnie Cammarata: But
  James Hull: of forty
  Donnie Cammarata: y But you
  James Hull: plus.
  Donnie Cammarata: but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh
  James Hull: People. So
  Donnie Cammarata: clients?
  James Hull: yeah, so we just can skip the L_C_D_
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  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
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  James Hull: control,
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  James Hull: because
  Donnie Cammarata: can speak, uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly, because
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: it's not
  James Hull: It's
  Donnie Cammarata: reachable
  James Hull: too
  Donnie Cammarata: for
  James Hull: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: twenty five Euros.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: Um then I have my personal uh preference. Okay, that's not very good, because I thought about television, D_V_D_ player, stereo and V_C_R_. I had a question about. But it's already out of the question, this. Um my point is, well, I If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television, I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros. But it's the exercise.
  James Hull: Because it's too expensive.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: only
  James Hull: probably.
  Donnie Cammarata: only for television uh On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything. And we only make it for television, so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, but good usability, you can use it.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay, I told about the home station. Uh it must be simple, because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it. And I I found a motto. And we put the fashion in electronics. And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style We. we have to make a a new product. We have to be um Yeah. One of a kind, I think.
  James Hull: So it has to look uh uh
  Jose Labranche: Unique.
  James Hull: uh unique,
  Donnie Cammarata: The company is
  James Hull: but
  Donnie Cammarata: about our uh th th their own fashion, their own style.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: I reckon
  James Hull: But old people are not looking for that.
  Jose Labranche: Uh I think
  James Hull: Not
  Jose Labranche: mm
  James Hull: really.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Uh
  Matthew Wall: I think the main thing is the usability, that's where we can uh
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: make it
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: a special product.
  Donnie Cammarata: to
  James Hull: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: k to keep it simple
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: when
  Jose Labranche: But
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: you Sorry
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Donnie Cammarata: I thought
  Jose Labranche: we
  Donnie Cammarata: about
  Jose Labranche: also
  Donnie Cammarata: it, yes.
  Jose Labranche: have to stand out, 'cause there are already, like you said, so many controls out that support lot of stuff. But we have to make sure that we're better usability, and stand out by just looks of it. So make it just a different colour or different shape,
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: so
  James Hull: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay, this was uh my presentation.
  James Hull: Thanks.
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: I don't Yeah.
  James Hull: So Paul,
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  James Hull: you
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  James Hull: can
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  James Hull: do
  Donnie Cammarata: questions
  James Hull: the next one if you want.
  Jose Labranche: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: or something.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah well Uh.
  James Hull: It's on the on the uh net net
  Jose Labranche: There
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  Jose Labranche: Okay. Technical functions design. Okay, well, so we have s mm uh broad audience. Isn't that isn't true anymore. But um we have elderly people, so we need to keep it simple. Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard. So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls. Not too full, like uh Jens already said, only ten percent is being used.
  James Hull: So what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, I have it on the next page. But
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff. Um so the options that we put on there should be easy to use, and 'cause you have more room then, and for elderly people big buttons. Uh an icon on it or text on it, so it's very clear what that buttons does. So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it. Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet or just ask some random people, elderly people what they use, what they want on a remote control
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: to find out. But there is already in a one done. Of functions I could think of. Uh volume, channels, the the basic according to. Just one two three etcetera. Uh text service options. Um basic on-off. And I found an uh Could I think of favourites? I always look up the same um pages on text and always have to click the number.
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: But if you could make a new option, that you just have to press one button and you get on your
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel. So you might as well remember the number. Or not?
  Jose Labranche: No
  James Hull: Maybe
  Jose Labranche: y
  James Hull: i maybe it's too complicated, but not sure.
  Jose Labranche: Well
  James Hull: It's a good
  Jose Labranche: it's
  James Hull: idea,
  Jose Labranche: It
  James Hull: but
  Jose Labranche: was just a thought. So I'm, I u I would find it handy, I think, when you just press one button and you get on six six six.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, okay. But um can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what
  Jose Labranche: Well
  Matthew Wall: favourite
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Matthew Wall: button?
  James Hull: Uh
  Jose Labranche: what I was reading on the page. Uh a remote control just sends commands, basics commands to uh the television. So switch to channel six.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah?
  Jose Labranche: So uh button six says says six. And if you make favourites, it can say six six six in a row. Just numbers. That
  Matthew Wall: Yeah
  Jose Labranche: can
  Matthew Wall: okay.
  Jose Labranche: be
  Matthew Wall: But
  Jose Labranche: in
  Matthew Wall: uh
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  Matthew Wall: uh
  Jose Labranche: in the
  Matthew Wall: for a user to to remember, if I press that button it goes to that channel.
  Jose Labranche: Well if you said a favourite
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, but isn't it hard to remember? Like favourite one and
  James Hull: Uh
  Jose Labranche: Well
  James Hull: mayb
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  Matthew Wall: as
  James Hull: I never use those buttons to to to call
  Jose Labranche: Never?
  James Hull: sh Never.
  Matthew Wall: No, neither
  Jose Labranche: Oh.
  Matthew Wall: do I.
  Jose Labranche: Oh
  James Hull: So
  Jose Labranche: are you?
  James Hull: And
  Jose Labranche: Okay now, m maybe not.
  James Hull: If I don't do it, maybe old people
  Jose Labranche: No, maybe elderly people uh.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, I
  Jose Labranche: Right.
  Matthew Wall: dunno.
  Jose Labranche: They don't like new features. So maybe not.
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Labranche: Um well play, pause. I dunno if that's usable
  James Hull: It's not, it's
  Jose Labranche: when
  James Hull: still not It's not anymore n
  Jose Labranche: Not
  James Hull: uh
  Jose Labranche: anymore for T_V_. Right, on off. I dunno, miss Did I miss any other buttons, basic buttons?
  Donnie Cammarata: Um
  Jose Labranche: I couldn't think of any other, 'specially not for T_V_.
  James Hull: Just on the front as well. No, that's the only th the only thing you need.
  Jose Labranche: Is
  Matthew Wall: Uh uh the p uh next and previous. Previous I know, but next channel?
  Jose Labranche: Just the
  Matthew Wall: I
  Jose Labranche: channel
  Matthew Wall: don't thi
  Jose Labranche: um uh What I mean is
  Donnie Cammarata: Forward.
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Matthew Wall: Li like a web
  Jose Labranche: Six
  Matthew Wall: browser,
  Jose Labranche: seven
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  Jose Labranche: eight
  Matthew Wall: Oh, okay.
  Jose Labranche: or
  James Hull: Just
  Jose Labranche: five.
  Matthew Wall: But
  James Hull: very
  Matthew Wall: uh
  James Hull: simple.
  Matthew Wall: um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before. Like a web browser back
  Jose Labranche: Um
  Matthew Wall: button.
  Jose Labranche: I dunno.
  James Hull: Uh
  Jose Labranche: I don't have Uh
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: I
  James Hull: I
  Jose Labranche: did
  James Hull: know what it is, but I think it's all
  Donnie Cammarata: No.
  James Hull: too difficult
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, I don't
  James Hull: for old
  Jose Labranche: think you
  James Hull: people.
  Jose Labranche: use
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: that. Y only
  Matthew Wall: okay.
  Jose Labranche: when you want to go to Yeah, just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time.
  James Hull: And
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: how do you want to uh do it, like if you have a channel above ten? Normally you can press one,
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: zero
  Jose Labranche: I think
  James Hull: or
  Jose Labranche: um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons. So you have that uh
  James Hull: A ten plus or
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, the ten plus button. Just uh one one pressing, or quickly after each other.
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: To just keep it simple and standard uh features.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough. Maybe the elderly people
  Jose Labranche: Uh yeah mayb
  Donnie Cammarata: It gets some seconds.
  Jose Labranche: But I think that's in the T_V_ as well. That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it. But you can have a button that says um two
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: Oh
  Donnie Cammarata: it's
  Matthew Wall: okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: it's no
  Jose Labranche: two st
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: it's
  Jose Labranche: two
  Donnie Cammarata: not
  Jose Labranche: stripes.
  Donnie Cammarata: a
  Jose Labranche: So you have uh like a
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, but
  Jose Labranche: five
  Matthew Wall: that's
  Jose Labranche: seconds
  Matthew Wall: th mm
  Jose Labranche: period to press those two buttons.
  Donnie Cammarata: It's what Paul says. It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two. It's the T_V_ who depends that it must
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one
  Jose Labranche: So if
  Donnie Cammarata: or
  Jose Labranche: you
  Donnie Cammarata: two.
  Jose Labranche: have a
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: universal T_V_ controller, you needed one button that has two uh stripes.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: So we have a a period of, I dunno, five seconds to press those buttons, and that
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: And not for elderly people to look, one two uh press and aim and
  James Hull: But do we still need a two level remote control? Because if we only have
  Donnie Cammarata: It's
  James Hull: that
  Donnie Cammarata: only
  James Hull: l
  Donnie Cammarata: for television now.
  Jose Labranche: So
  James Hull: only
  Jose Labranche: I I
  James Hull: f
  Jose Labranche: don't think so.
  James Hull: No.
  Donnie Cammarata: No.
  Jose Labranche: Uh I just thought of another one. Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: So you also need a menu button. And then uh navigation uh But we can
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: integrate that with volume and previous and next, so you have
  Matthew Wall: I I think you ha
  Jose Labranche: four
  Matthew Wall: really
  Jose Labranche: arrows.
  Matthew Wall: have to divide between functions you often use, like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things, and uh the menu button. Because you n almost never use menu button.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: So
  Jose Labranche: okay, but um
  James Hull: Maybe it's still still a good idea, I'm not sure. You'll also have to use a mute button to to
  Jose Labranche: mute button. Yes.
  James Hull: Maybe,
  Jose Labranche: Don't think
  James Hull: not
  Jose Labranche: so.
  James Hull: I don't know where where you have to put it.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah well, that's that's I think that's the layers that produce. Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on.
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: What we're
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: gonna use.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  James Hull: That's right.
  Jose Labranche: And later we can d uh do the design. Okay, uh now my personal preferences. Uh using the standards, basic Um I think that we should stand out uh unique, being unique with the design. So we have to, I dunno, uh make a different shape than usual. So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging, that it stands out. Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls.
  James Hull: Yeah. Does
  Jose Labranche: Um
  James Hull: it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours or
  Jose Labranche: I dunno. Different colours um
  Donnie Cammarata: Maybe we can give it out in different colours. You can choose blue
  James Hull: It's like
  Donnie Cammarata: or
  James Hull: a
  Donnie Cammarata: yellow
  James Hull: iMac
  Donnie Cammarata: or
  James Hull: or something. Just to
  Matthew Wall: Mm-hmm.
  James Hull: make it
  Jose Labranche: Yeah. Well why not? Or
  Donnie Cammarata: That's
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: fa That's fancy. That's uh fashion.
  James Hull: But it looks cheap as well, because it's a small thing. It's only twenty five Euros. It looks very cheap if you make it
  Jose Labranche: Well, maybe you can look at uh mobile phones.
  James Hull: Oh, you just I dunno
  Jose Labranche: Oh.
  James Hull: what happened.
  Jose Labranche: Who?
  James Hull: Yeah, we have to look at mobile phones, that's right.
  Jose Labranche: They
  James Hull: Just
  Jose Labranche: they're uh designed very well. And
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: well basically are the same, just a bit smaller. You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small, 'cause then you will always lo always lose it.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: But uh well, I think that's a good example.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  James Hull: Okay, we hurry up a bit, because otherwise
  Jose Labranche: Okay,
  James Hull: we won't make
  Jose Labranche: sorry.
  James Hull: it. Is
  Jose Labranche: Well
  James Hull: it fin Are you finished?
  Jose Labranche: uh
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, I I'm finished. I think we discussed everything.
  Matthew Wall: Okay. Well, the working design. The method I used is uh search the web. Just the web page provided. Um Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated, but uh I could figure it out. Um basically what happens is you press a button, uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button, uh like a switch. And by closing that certain circuit, the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed. So like you press a one, that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern. Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_. That's the uh light emitting diode, I think. Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light. That's un uh invisible to the human eye. And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_. However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it.
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm-hmm.
  Matthew Wall: And that's uh another diode, I believe. Because infrared is not visible. So that's er uh do two different
  James Hull: So
  Matthew Wall: things but
  James Hull: also have to have a LED li
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: LED
  Matthew Wall: I I think
  James Hull: light
  Matthew Wall: so.
  James Hull: on it?
  Jose Labranche: Uh j
  Matthew Wall: I I'm not sure if
  Jose Labranche: Is
  Matthew Wall: it's the
  James Hull: Yeah,
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  James Hull: it's
  Matthew Wall: thing.
  James Hull: I think
  Jose Labranche: Ain't
  James Hull: it's
  Jose Labranche: it
  James Hull: usable.
  Jose Labranche: just to to indicate that it's
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: transmitting?
  Donnie Cammarata: that's active.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: So
  James Hull: Or just a green one, because it's If you use it, it's green or the red, it's r green.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah. Maybe uh
  Donnie Cammarata: I I think it's in the case that it's active. It's not uh
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, when
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: you
  James Hull: that's
  Matthew Wall: press
  James Hull: right. But
  Matthew Wall: it.
  James Hull: if you
  Matthew Wall: So
  Donnie Cammarata: I it's it's just uh the the
  Matthew Wall: Two?
  James Hull: Red's l shows up like something's wrong, and green is like it's okay, you press
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm.
  James Hull: the button.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, I dunno.
  Jose Labranche: Maybe
  Matthew Wall: Ma on
  Jose Labranche: depends
  Matthew Wall: on most
  Jose Labranche: on uh
  Matthew Wall: on most uh uh remote controls it's red.
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: So
  James Hull: I
  Jose Labranche: Yes.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah.
  James Hull: know. Okay, we make it red.
  Matthew Wall: So
  Jose Labranche: But maybe
  Matthew Wall: I know.
  Jose Labranche: Well we don't have to make it red. Maybe integrate it in the design as well.
  James Hull: You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons. Uh that's cool.
  Jose Labranche: Uh Oh, maybe it's it is would an
  Matthew Wall: I
  Jose Labranche: e
  Matthew Wall: I
  Jose Labranche: No.
  Matthew Wall: think uh the batteries will
  Jose Labranche: Just
  Matthew Wall: be
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Matthew Wall: uh a
  James Hull: No, we have
  Matthew Wall: little
  James Hull: a recharger
  Donnie Cammarata: Empty.
  James Hull: in it,
  Jose Labranche: Oh.
  James Hull: so
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, okay. Uh
  James Hull: If
  Matthew Wall: maybe.
  James Hull: we can still make that then
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, but it doesn't have to be red. It's just to indicate something's
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: on.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah. That it's working. That it's not
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: not the
  James Hull: But
  Matthew Wall: batteries
  James Hull: it's cool
  Jose Labranche: It's
  Matthew Wall: are
  James Hull: if
  Matthew Wall: low.
  James Hull: it was
  Jose Labranche: it's
  James Hull: green.
  Jose Labranche: not very important,
  James Hull: Green or
  Jose Labranche: so
  James Hull: red or whatever, it
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  James Hull: is cool.
  Jose Labranche: yeah.
  Matthew Wall: I know. Just to indicate it's working.
  Jose Labranche: So mm
  Matthew Wall: And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern. So we have to understand what patterns are used to, you know, to make it universal. So that it can be used with all the T_V_s. We have to really understand what patterns are used, so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work.
  Jose Labranche: So we have to uh make buttons for that as well, to make
  Matthew Wall: No.
  Jose Labranche: it
  Matthew Wall: I
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Matthew Wall: I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern. So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to,
  Jose Labranche: Okay.
  Matthew Wall: y you know, to
  Donnie Cammarata: An automatically
  Matthew Wall: Yeah. That are
  Donnie Cammarata: search
  Matthew Wall: working.
  Donnie Cammarata: function for each television, or
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: something.
  Matthew Wall: or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works. It wasn't explained there.
  Jose Labranche: Well,
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh I
  Jose Labranche: I
  Donnie Cammarata: kno
  Jose Labranche: I use a universal uh remote control, and list of all the T_V_s you have, etcetera. And you have to put in a number,
  Matthew Wall: Yeah?
  Jose Labranche: so it works on your T_V_.
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: Oh, I have a modern one. And the modern one you you uh you type uh search, and the LED began to blink blink blink. And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off. And then you know, oh it it's the right one. And you can stop it, and then it's okay.
  Matthew Wall: Ah okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: So you don't have to search for your television or your code.
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: It uh search uh the pattern for itself.
  Matthew Wall: Okay,
  Jose Labranche: Okay,
  Matthew Wall: yeah.
  Jose Labranche: so we use that.
  Matthew Wall: So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yes.
  Matthew Wall: Because
  Jose Labranche: Yep.
  Matthew Wall: you have to Yeah.
  James Hull: I just say Can you s just say it again, because I was just looking
  Matthew Wall: Uh
  James Hull: There's
  Matthew Wall: okay.
  James Hull: just a short
  Matthew Wall: Well uh y you have this chip.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: That's uh when the circuit is closed,
  James Hull: Mm-hmm.
  Matthew Wall: it produces the pattern. But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different. So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one. And on the other T_V_ it won't work, basically. So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh
  Donnie Cammarata: Changing the
  Matthew Wall: cha
  Donnie Cammarata: signal.
  Matthew Wall: yeah, changing this pattern all the time. And um What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern, this chip, uh is trying to switch off the television. And when it's uh switched off, you can push a button as uh it's working now, so And then he saves that setting
  James Hull: Okay.
  Matthew Wall: and
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: then um it's working.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, that's the right uh
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: option.
  Matthew Wall: Well uh the components. Yeah, that's a bit technical, and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time. Um but I think I understand it Um. the energy source is uh the battery, basically.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Um that's connecting to all the components. Because it has to be fed with energy. Okay. Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed. So basically when you press a button, a switch get closed. Um that's connecting to a chip. So the chip knows what button you pressed. And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb. I didn didn't put the description by this one. Th this is a normal bulb. So the normal flashing light.
  James Hull: Okay. So that's the LED,
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: L_E_D_.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, and this is a LED too. But this one is producing infrared light
  James Hull: Yeah, okay.
  Matthew Wall: that's invisible. And this one is producing normal light.
  James Hull: So we can make the normal one also a normal light. Not a LED light, but as a normal one.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah
  James Hull: To flash up your
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh if you if you use the buttons, uh both of them works. But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, presu Yeah yeah yeah. Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work, it can Basically if the battery is low, it
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: won't work.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: So
  Donnie Cammarata: and
  Matthew Wall: you have to indicate that it's
  James Hull: Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push. So you see green if you push that button.
  Matthew Wall: Huh,
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm I
  Matthew Wall: that's
  Donnie Cammarata: think
  Matthew Wall: a good
  Donnie Cammarata: it's
  Matthew Wall: idea.
  Donnie Cammarata: unnecessary power uh you use then.
  James Hull: Yeah, but if you
  Jose Labranche: No,
  James Hull: u if
  Jose Labranche: y
  James Hull: you do that, you
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  James Hull: know that you're uh sending a signal.
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  James Hull: And it's you
  Donnie Cammarata: But
  James Hull: also
  Donnie Cammarata: then have
  James Hull: know
  Donnie Cammarata: to be
  James Hull: which
  Donnie Cammarata: on
  James Hull: button
  Donnie Cammarata: the
  James Hull: you
  Donnie Cammarata: in
  James Hull: p
  Donnie Cammarata: the all uh remote control have to be LEDs.
  James Hull: Yeah, that's right. But
  Donnie Cammarata: Everywhere
  James Hull: it
  Donnie Cammarata: in the r
  James Hull: But does it make any difference for the energy you use? You got
  Jose Labranche: No
  James Hull: still
  Jose Labranche: I don't
  James Hull: one
  Jose Labranche: think
  James Hull: LED.
  Jose Labranche: so, but Yeah, i it it will look different, and I think we need to find something else.
  James Hull: That looks different, yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Hmm.
  Jose Labranche: 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard, and our uh motto also is
  Donnie Cammarata: Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons?
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, w around the buttons, or in the buttons even.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, okay.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, but mm like when you push it
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, then then
  Matthew Wall: n
  Jose Labranche: won't
  Matthew Wall: n
  Jose Labranche: Then you
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: won't see it.
  Matthew Wall: You have your finger over the button. So you can see
  Donnie Cammarata: It must be around it then.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah. Or or m maybe on top of the A green
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: light
  Donnie Cammarata: then
  Matthew Wall: is flashing
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah. Not
  Matthew Wall: or
  Donnie Cammarata: not not not here, but
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: here.
  Matthew Wall: There. Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: Maybe uh
  James Hull: The same as a telephone, or a mobile phone, or
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: what
  Jose Labranche: we're
  James Hull: do
  Jose Labranche: thinking
  James Hull: you mean?
  Jose Labranche: about it. Uh on
  James Hull: If you
  Jose Labranche: a mobile
  James Hull: push
  Jose Labranche: phone, in the dark uh
  James Hull: It lights up. Everything lights up.
  Jose Labranche: everything
  James Hull: That's a good
  Jose Labranche: lights
  James Hull: idea.
  Jose Labranche: up.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Why ain't that on a remote
  James Hull: It
  Jose Labranche: control?
  James Hull: it only takes a l a little energy
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: and it's not
  Jose Labranche: if
  James Hull: that
  Jose Labranche: uh
  James Hull: much.
  Jose Labranche: a mobile
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: phone a phone can do it, it's
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: It's f Yeah. Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, i
  Matthew Wall: Mm-hmm.
  Jose Labranche: if you're in the dark, you can't see the remote.
  James Hull: It's only
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: few LEDs. Only four or something. Four LED.
  Jose Labranche: No, I dunno. But if we use a battery station, which I think we will use
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, I uh
  James Hull: Yeah, that's a good idea,
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: okay.
  Matthew Wall: We'll have enough power to
  James Hull: Everything agre Everyone agrees with that, or
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: Yep.
  Donnie Cammarata: Maybe what Paul said, uh under the on
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: the
  James Hull: and then
  Donnie Cammarata: on
  James Hull: you
  Donnie Cammarata: the home station, uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control, that
  James Hull: Okay,
  Donnie Cammarata: it beeps.
  James Hull: yeah.
  Jose Labranche: And also
  James Hull: But you
  Jose Labranche: it's
  James Hull: have to make a sound device in it then.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, there must be sound in it.
  Matthew Wall: Hmm.
  James Hull: But Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Okay,
  Donnie Cammarata: I dunno.
  Jose Labranche: it shouldn't take
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: much
  Matthew Wall: B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make. Especially for that kind of money. Because
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm
  Matthew Wall: it's
  Donnie Cammarata: uh,
  Matthew Wall: i
  Donnie Cammarata: twenty
  Matthew Wall: it
  Donnie Cammarata: five
  Matthew Wall: has
  Donnie Cammarata: Euros,
  Matthew Wall: to be
  Donnie Cammarata: I think we can
  Jose Labranche: Uh
  Donnie Cammarata: make
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: I
  Matthew Wall: Production
  Jose Labranche: th
  Donnie Cammarata: it.
  Matthew Wall: cost
  Donnie Cammarata: Bec
  Matthew Wall: is uh t uh twelve and a half.
  Donnie Cammarata: Twelve and a half, okay. But but we only have to make it for television, and
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, okay.
  Donnie Cammarata: um
  Jose Labranche: I think
  Donnie Cammarata: we must have something
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Donnie Cammarata: special.
  Jose Labranche: you also
  Donnie Cammarata: So
  Jose Labranche: have uh remote controls with a lot of options. But we lose about ninety percent of those options. So
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh.
  Jose Labranche: I think you can uh
  Donnie Cammarata: We have to give our customers some extras.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: I
  Matthew Wall: okay.
  Jose Labranche: think we will save money with that.
  James Hull: Okay. Are you almost finished or just
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, the the personal preference, I didn't fill it out. Because
  James Hull: Okay.
  Matthew Wall: I was short on time.
  James Hull: Okay. No worry.
  Matthew Wall: But um Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration.
  James Hull: Yeah, I just want to talk some about some more. So maybe you
  Matthew Wall: Yeah?
  James Hull: have to Yeah?
  Matthew Wall: Okay.
  James Hull: Okay.
  James Hull: So this Oh, sorry. Wh what's that? So uh Oh, sorry. We have some new uh project requirements. We have to have a look what they are. They're still in um Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet. So a teletext option, maybe we have to skip that one. I'm not sure. I don't
  Matthew Wall: No,
  James Hull: think
  Donnie Cammarata: No.
  James Hull: so,
  Matthew Wall: and I
  James Hull: but
  Matthew Wall: I think a lot of people use
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: uh teletext,
  James Hull: and it's it's on your
  Matthew Wall: still
  James Hull: comp it's on
  Matthew Wall: use.
  James Hull: your television. It's only one button. So I
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh.
  James Hull: don't think
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  James Hull: it is
  Matthew Wall: Hmm.
  James Hull: We definitely should use it. Um Yeah, that's uh what I told you. The remote control should only be used for a television. So that's maybe easier. And um the the forty plus people, I already told you. Oh no, sorry. Oh, this is a problem. Oh sorry about that. The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty. So it should be flashy or just
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  Matthew Wall: Oh.
  James Hull: more interesting.
  Jose Labranche: Okay,
  Matthew Wall: Mm.
  Jose Labranche: that's It changes
  James Hull: I'm sorry about
  Jose Labranche: things.
  James Hull: that. I just I just didn't read it well. So does it make some
  Donnie Cammarata: Changes.
  James Hull: decision about that?
  Jose Labranche: Um
  Matthew Wall: Yeah. That kinda changes
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh
  Matthew Wall: the whole situation.
  Jose Labranche: Well yeah, then we have to make some nice features. I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way, to make it more
  James Hull: That still
  Jose Labranche: like
  James Hull: stays.
  Jose Labranche: a mobile phone.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: More modern.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: That's important I think and
  Donnie Cammarata: L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think.
  Jose Labranche: And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control, especially when you only have T_V_ functions on
  Donnie Cammarata: Oh.
  Jose Labranche: it.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Mm
  Jose Labranche: So
  Matthew Wall: ah I I don't y you'll use it often, because you can see on the television
  Donnie Cammarata: Oh,
  Matthew Wall: wh what
  Donnie Cammarata: I'm
  Matthew Wall: channel
  Donnie Cammarata: watching
  Matthew Wall: you
  Donnie Cammarata: uh the channel one. Okay. No,
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: it's
  Jose Labranche: I
  Donnie Cammarata: not
  Jose Labranche: tho I think that's not usable.
  Matthew Wall: No.
  Jose Labranche: So, but uh Yeah. What other features can we put in?
  Matthew Wall: Yeah. I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular. And uh then the usability is not that required, because the Like in the mobile phones, usability is not that
  Donnie Cammarata: But
  Matthew Wall: good I
  Donnie Cammarata: uh
  Matthew Wall: think.
  Donnie Cammarata: some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition. About you said one and the television turns on one. Is that reachable maybe? That's very
  Matthew Wall: I didn't
  Donnie Cammarata: That's
  Matthew Wall: read
  Donnie Cammarata: fancy. That's cool.
  Jose Labranche: It's
  Matthew Wall: I
  Jose Labranche: very
  Donnie Cammarata: Twelve
  Matthew Wall: didn't
  Jose Labranche: fashion.
  Matthew Wall: read
  Donnie Cammarata: and
  Matthew Wall: any b
  Donnie Cammarata: you've
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: got twelve.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah okay.
  Jose Labranche: Mm.
  Donnie Cammarata: Only
  Matthew Wall: I
  Donnie Cammarata: the
  Matthew Wall: I
  Donnie Cammarata: numbers,
  Matthew Wall: know.
  Donnie Cammarata: only numbers. Uh furthermore nothing. But only the numbers, one to twenty or something.
  Matthew Wall: Mm.
  Donnie Cammarata: That should be cool.
  James Hull: Yeah, maybe we have to integrate that as well. If it's possible.
  Donnie Cammarata: If it's
  James Hull: But
  Donnie Cammarata: possible, I dunno.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, I
  Donnie Cammarata: I
  Matthew Wall: don't
  Donnie Cammarata: didn't
  Matthew Wall: know.
  James Hull: I don't
  Donnie Cammarata: read
  James Hull: think
  Donnie Cammarata: it.
  James Hull: it's
  Jose Labranche: Mm.
  James Hull: very expensive actually. Why should it?
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh if
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: i
  Jose Labranche: I think
  James Hull: You
  Donnie Cammarata: if
  James Hull: only
  Donnie Cammarata: i
  James Hull: have a
  Jose Labranche: it's
  James Hull: microphone in it.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: I didn't have
  Matthew Wall: But
  Donnie Cammarata: information
  Matthew Wall: it has
  Donnie Cammarata: about
  Matthew Wall: to
  Donnie Cammarata: that.
  Matthew Wall: work. And and and does it have to work only in English, or in Dutch too
  James Hull: Nah,
  Matthew Wall: or
  James Hull: maybe
  Donnie Cammarata: Ah that's a problem, but
  Matthew Wall: And and
  Donnie Cammarata: Uh only
  Matthew Wall: uh
  Donnie Cammarata: in
  Matthew Wall: w
  Donnie Cammarata: English.
  Jose Labranche: What
  Donnie Cammarata: Only
  Jose Labranche: But
  Donnie Cammarata: in English
  Matthew Wall: Yeah?
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Donnie Cammarata: I think.
  Jose Labranche: I dunno how that works then. Uh does your
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: uh
  Matthew Wall: it's
  Jose Labranche: Does
  Matthew Wall: probably
  Jose Labranche: it lie
  Matthew Wall: my
  Jose Labranche: in the
  Matthew Wall: job
  Jose Labranche: centre
  Matthew Wall: to
  Jose Labranche: of
  Matthew Wall: figure
  Jose Labranche: the room
  Matthew Wall: that out,
  Jose Labranche: and
  Matthew Wall: but
  Jose Labranche: can you scream from wherever
  Donnie Cammarata: No,
  Jose Labranche: uh one
  Donnie Cammarata: that
  Jose Labranche: to have in channel
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: one?
  Donnie Cammarata: then th we have to think about that. But do do we do it? It's
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: more
  Jose Labranche: I dunno.
  Donnie Cammarata: if we
  Jose Labranche: So,
  Donnie Cammarata: if we do it.
  Jose Labranche: is it very usable? That's what I'm looking at.
  Matthew Wall: And and do you have to speak in in like in
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: a thing or
  Jose Labranche: Is
  James Hull: Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that. It We have short
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  James Hull: time
  Matthew Wall: I dunno.
  James Hull: to to put it on the market, so that
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay.
  James Hull: We
  Jose Labranche: Mm
  James Hull: have to
  Jose Labranche: Yeah
  James Hull: do a
  Jose Labranche: well
  James Hull: lot of testing before we can do that.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, I think so.
  James Hull: We
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, and
  James Hull: make
  Donnie Cammarata: uh and
  James Hull: uh make
  Donnie Cammarata: uh
  James Hull: uh, we can make
  Jose Labranche: It's
  James Hull: th th the new remote control very flashy.
  Donnie Cammarata: In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing. Uh because
  Jose Labranche: I
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: d
  Donnie Cammarata: we we
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: have
  Jose Labranche: I don't
  Donnie Cammarata: a lot
  Jose Labranche: think
  Donnie Cammarata: of
  Matthew Wall: And
  Donnie Cammarata: languages.
  Jose Labranche: it's
  Matthew Wall: and
  Jose Labranche: uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: and also
  James Hull: I think
  Matthew Wall: if
  James Hull: so.
  Matthew Wall: if you have a good speech uh speech recognition, you can just throw
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: the uh
  Donnie Cammarata: A uh someone says that
  Matthew Wall: the remote
  Donnie Cammarata: uh
  Matthew Wall: away.
  Donnie Cammarata: give Donnie Cammarata one Coke, and the
  Matthew Wall: Mm.
  Donnie Cammarata: T_V_ turns
  Matthew Wall: Hmm.
  Donnie Cammarata: uh to one.
  Matthew Wall: Mm.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah, it's not
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: uh
  Matthew Wall: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: Well
  Matthew Wall: okay.
  Jose Labranche: yeah, that's the right command. And
  Matthew Wall: But
  Jose Labranche: then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one, or something.
  Matthew Wall: Hmm
  Jose Labranche: Not
  Matthew Wall: yeah,
  Jose Labranche: just one, but
  Matthew Wall: T_V_
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay, but
  Matthew Wall: one.
  Donnie Cammarata: th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition.
  Jose Labranche: Well
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: I dunno. But I don't think, it just ain't useful enough.
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm-hmm.
  James Hull: So we have to make some decisions. So you
  Donnie Cammarata: Okay,
  James Hull: can see
  Donnie Cammarata: no speech
  James Hull: on the
  Donnie Cammarata: recognition.
  James Hull: uh So we have to know what we're going to put on. Do we, do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything? Do
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, I think
  James Hull: If
  Jose Labranche: so.
  James Hull: you press something, it lights up for a few seconds, so you can see what other but buttons there are, okay?
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, that's good.
  Jose Labranche: Yep.
  James Hull: Okay, we just take that one. And what else, we have
  Jose Labranche: Also the one in the dark. So uh It lights up when it's dark?
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: I
  James Hull: but
  Jose Labranche: didn't
  James Hull: it's Oh th I thought would, that that would be the same. If you
  Jose Labranche: Okay.
  James Hull: push something,
  Donnie Cammarata: Yeah. Yeah
  James Hull: it
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: it
  Donnie Cammarata: yeah,
  Jose Labranche: but
  James Hull: all
  Donnie Cammarata: it
  James Hull: lights
  Jose Labranche: um
  James Hull: up.
  Donnie Cammarata: it mustn't work all the time.
  Jose Labranche: Yes,
  Donnie Cammarata: It uh
  Jose Labranche: that's
  Donnie Cammarata: uh it
  Jose Labranche: what
  Donnie Cammarata: have
  Jose Labranche: I mean.
  Donnie Cammarata: to work only when you use it. So
  James Hull: Or
  Donnie Cammarata: if
  James Hull: you can
  Donnie Cammarata: you
  James Hull: switch it on or something.
  Donnie Cammarata: No,
  Jose Labranche: Or
  Donnie Cammarata: if
  Jose Labranche: maybe
  Donnie Cammarata: you use
  Jose Labranche: when you
  Donnie Cammarata: one button,
  Jose Labranche: yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: it must turn uh
  Jose Labranche: It
  Donnie Cammarata: on
  Jose Labranche: lights
  Donnie Cammarata: for
  Jose Labranche: up all.
  Donnie Cammarata: twenty seconds,
  James Hull: Yeah, that's
  Donnie Cammarata: and
  James Hull: right.
  Donnie Cammarata: then
  James Hull: You
  Donnie Cammarata: it
  James Hull: have
  Donnie Cammarata: must
  James Hull: to
  Donnie Cammarata: turn off.
  James Hull: Yeah, that's right. That's what
  Jose Labranche: Okay
  James Hull: I said. It's
  Jose Labranche: yeah.
  James Hull: the
  Jose Labranche: D
  James Hull: same as the telephone.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah, alright.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  James Hull: And do we use a a Uh what's it called? Like a iMac, if you can look through it. Or just a normal
  Jose Labranche: Maybe
  Matthew Wall: Mm,
  James Hull: remote control.
  Matthew Wall: maybe
  Jose Labranche: just as an
  Matthew Wall: it's
  Jose Labranche: option,
  Matthew Wall: a good idea.
  Jose Labranche: w like we discussed, like iPod. Different colours, uh maybe use even different fonts.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: Oh yeah.
  Jose Labranche: Like uh phones.
  James Hull: Different colours. Okay, so
  Matthew Wall: Hmm.
  James Hull: y
  Donnie Cammarata: A see-through.
  James Hull: you just make it th through
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm,
  James Hull: You look
  Jose Labranche: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: that's
  James Hull: through
  Donnie Cammarata: cool.
  James Hull: it?
  Jose Labranche: Uh
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: as an option maybe.
  James Hull: And so the buttons we have, this is, yeah, this is normal. We put in
  Jose Labranche: It's the
  James Hull: the
  Jose Labranche: standard
  James Hull: the simple buttons on the top, and probably
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: the the
  Jose Labranche: uh
  James Hull: the more complicated buttons
  Donnie Cammarata: But you have
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  Donnie Cammarata: You
  James Hull: down
  Jose Labranche: we
  Donnie Cammarata: had
  Jose Labranche: but
  Donnie Cammarata: a lot
  Jose Labranche: we
  Donnie Cammarata: of
  Jose Labranche: don't
  James Hull: there.
  Donnie Cammarata: different buttons.
  Jose Labranche: We don't really
  Matthew Wall: Hmm.
  Jose Labranche: have any
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Jose Labranche: complicated
  James Hull: maybe you
  Jose Labranche: buttons.
  James Hull: have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext, you can press a green or a red button
  Jose Labranche: Yeah
  James Hull: to
  Jose Labranche: okay,
  James Hull: go to
  Jose Labranche: but
  James Hull: the next one, or to go
  Jose Labranche: Yeah,
  James Hull: to the previous
  Jose Labranche: well
  James Hull: one.
  Jose Labranche: w I think the buttons are very easy. With just uh standard buttons we just have so
  James Hull: O but maybe you
  Jose Labranche: little
  James Hull: can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control.
  Jose Labranche: No, I don't
  James Hull: Because
  Jose Labranche: need
  James Hull: you ne
  Jose Labranche: don't
  James Hull: almost
  Jose Labranche: need
  James Hull: never use it.
  Jose Labranche: Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah, but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext.
  James Hull: Yeah,
  Matthew Wall: So
  James Hull: that's
  Jose Labranche: I use
  Donnie Cammarata: No,
  James Hull: right.
  Matthew Wall: uh
  Jose Labranche: teletext
  Donnie Cammarata: I use
  Jose Labranche: as well.
  Donnie Cammarata: te teletext every day, I think.
  Matthew Wall: Hmm. Okay.
  James Hull: Yeah. For Donnie Cammarata too, it is. So we just keep it one level then?
  Jose Labranche: Yeah yeah, one
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: level.
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm.
  Jose Labranche: And I think, uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons, I think the design is most important.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Jose Labranche: 'Cause simple buttons. If you
  James Hull: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: put one above it, it's clear.
  James Hull: Okay. So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break. Um
  Jose Labranche: How long is lunch break?
  James Hull: So yeah, you know what you have to do. This is uh this is it. You get your meal and everything, so
  Donnie Cammarata: Trendwatching. Okay.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: That's fine.
  Donnie Cammarata: Yo.
  James Hull: So, we're finished for t for this time. We're going to have some lunch.
  Jose Labranche: Okay.
  Jose Labranche: Bye.
  James Hull: Yeah.
  Matthew Wall: Yeah.
  Donnie Cammarata: Mm. Uh.
Updated Content: James Hull announced that the remote should only control television, and that the marketing should be targeted towards ages 40 and above. Donnie Cammarata presented the results of a lab study on users of remote controls, and showed that users want a fancier, less complicated remote that does not get lost easily. The group decided not to use speech recognition or an LCD screen to target the older demographic. Jose Labranche discussed the button functions and how to make channel-changing easier. The group decided not to include programmable "favorites" buttons. Matthew Wall presented the internal components of the device. The group discussed having the remote light up when used. He also stressed that the remote must be compatible with all television brands. James Hull corrected his target group announcement and announced that the target age group was actually ages 40 and below. The group again discussed the possibility of adding speech recognition and LCD screens to the design but decided that it was not feasible. The group decided to have the remote light up when used and is including teletext. Donnie Cammarata was instructed to report on trendwatching.