Extracted Content: Philip Walker: Hi everyone, hope you had a nice lunch Um. Alright we're moving on to conceptual design.
  Gary Hardister: 'Scuse Heath Bender.
  Heath Bender: Bless you.
  Philip Walker: Um, I'll just review what we did in our last meeting. Um, under marketing we targeted our audience, and Um, yeah. That was generally how helpful that was. Um, then we considered some design options with how it should look, um, we discussed an iPod-like button system which, uh, we haven't concluded but we're Right, um So if, you all have presentations to do, we can see what where you've come from our last time. Does everyone have
  John Dowdy: Hmm.
  Philip Walker: presentations?
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yes.
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  John Dowdy: Yes.
  Philip Walker: Would anybody like to go first?
  John Dowdy: Sure.
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  John Dowdy: So I've been looking at the components design. Um. Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting. Um, so we need some custom design parts, and other parts we'll just use standard. Um, I assume we'll be custom designing our case, probably a hard plastic or some other material case, to protect the remote and the locator. And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board, because the board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time. But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out. Um, standard parts include the buttons and the wheels, um the iPod-style wheel. The infrared L_E_D_ is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it. Um, we need a radio sender and receiver, those are standard. And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote. So we have some material options. Um, we can use rubber, plastic, wood or titanium. Um, I'd recommend against titanium because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy. Um, and the rubber case requires rubber buttons, so if we definitely want plastic buttons, we shouldn't have a rubber case.
  Philip Walker: And
  John Dowdy: And,
  Philip Walker: why not wood?
  John Dowdy: hmm?
  Philip Walker: And why not wood?
  John Dowdy: Uh, well we can use wood. I don't know why we'd want to. Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button, it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip. We can't use the minimal chip, we need the next higher grade, which is called regular. I don't think it's much more expensive, but it is more expensive. So that's what I've got on design.
  Philip Walker: 'S good.
  Heath Bender: Um, can I do next? 'Cause I have to say something about the
  Philip Walker: Hmm.
  Heath Bender: material
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: which is quite shocking.
  Heath Bender: Ha. Mm.
  Heath Bender: Right, um, I have been searching the current trends, um, both on the web and via fashion-watchers, and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh, fancy look and feel. Um. Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that. And th last thing is the easy to use um factor Um. fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing, but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use. Um, our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided, well noticed, that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the is the current trend and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want, you know, wh whatever our motto is. Um. For fashion,
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  Heath Bender: we go for fashion. The fashion in electronics. So we want to put the fashion electronics, we need to go fruit and vegetables. And also go for a spongy feel, so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer. As to the material should be limited to I don't know how spongy it can be, should discuss this together, I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go. Um. I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables, but that's just a personal opinion. I think I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room. Uh those are just suggestions and also we need to decide whether this should be printed, so that still has to do with the material discuss should we print the fruit stuff, or should the actual remote look like a fruit? Um, and finally again with the spongy. It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that or find come up with a solution that's better than mine. Um, yeah, to summarise these are the points that need to be um, touched in order to get a good decision, and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter.
  Gary Hardister: Mm-hmm.
  Heath Bender: Thank you for your attention.
  Gary Hardister: So.
  Philip Walker: I think it's the next
  Gary Hardister: Oh,
  Philip Walker: it's
  Gary Hardister: uh,
  Philip Walker: the blue one,
  Gary Hardister: there
  Philip Walker: yeah.
  Gary Hardister: we go. Uh. Okay. Um. Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh. I actually wasn't aware of the new trends in electronics and
  Heath Bender: Neither was I. Well
  Gary Hardister: and
  Heath Bender: it's
  Gary Hardister: uh
  Heath Bender: a trend in fashion, in clothing and um
  Philip Walker: Yeah but
  Heath Bender: fabrics.
  Philip Walker: you're not gonna wear your remote control.
  Gary Hardister: So so okay, let Heath Bender get this right. Okay, uh Okay, alright anyway. Um here we go. Conceptual User Interface. Trying we're gonna to about, um what kind of uh how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control, based on fruit vegetable design. And, um, basically, so, this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system. Uh, so people are going to be looking at this little screen. Um, kind of I mean I assume, are we still on the screen idea?
  Philip Walker: Oh we s hadn't discussed it last
  Gary Hardister: 'Cause if
  Philip Walker: time.
  Gary Hardister: we're gonna have to ha if we have this it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um the wheel
  Philip Walker: You need a screen
  Gary Hardister: you
  Philip Walker: for
  Gary Hardister: it seems
  Philip Walker: it?
  Gary Hardister: like you would need a screen.
  John Dowdy: You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song, like you know that band or whatever.
  Gary Hardister: But like if you
  John Dowdy: With
  Gary Hardister: think
  John Dowdy: T_V_
  Gary Hardister: about
  John Dowdy: channels
  Gary Hardister: it
  John Dowdy: it's, you know, one two three.
  Gary Hardister: yeah
  John Dowdy: So
  Gary Hardister: but if so is it just okay. So, b you you're gonna have to switch to like D_V_D_ and like other things like that, aren't
  Philip Walker: We're,
  Gary Hardister: you?
  Philip Walker: um, we're
  Gary Hardister: Are
  Philip Walker: actually
  Gary Hardister: we
  Philip Walker: not having D_V_D_, that was
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: one of th I
  Gary Hardister: Okay.
  Philip Walker: I was sorry, I I
  Gary Hardister: Alright.
  Philip Walker: meant to update you on that.
  Gary Hardister: Okay.
  Philip Walker: Um.
  Heath Bender: But the screen can come up on the telly, the
  Gary Hardister: Okay.
  Heath Bender: she said. That
  Gary Hardister: Okay.
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: correct?
  Gary Hardister: So anyway if well we just we need to Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen I think I was thinking okay. So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then? And you're just gonna I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a
  Heath Bender: Graphical
  Gary Hardister: right.
  Heath Bender: interface?
  Gary Hardister: Yeah
  Heath Bender: Uh
  Gary Hardister: like you're
  Heath Bender: on
  Gary Hardister: g
  Heath Bender: the you can have it on the telly though.
  Gary Hardister: yeah
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can okay we're not choosing that, I guess. But like choose channel control, like if you wa Because people aren't gonna be able to have like, um, you know, channels one two three four five six seven eight nine.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: So that people seems to be
  Philip Walker: You've Yeah,
  Gary Hardister: well
  Philip Walker: I know what you're saying,
  Gary Hardister: You know.
  Philip Walker: you have
  Gary Hardister: But
  Philip Walker: to
  Gary Hardister: you're gonna have to scroll to get channels. So um I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen because So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if or or then again if you just I guess I c I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T_V_
  Heath Bender: Yeah,
  Gary Hardister: like what channel you're on.
  Heath Bender: yeah,
  Gary Hardister: You can
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: just
  Heath Bender: yeah.
  Gary Hardister: scroll and
  Heath Bender: Yeah,
  Gary Hardister: you can just get
  Heath Bender: yeah.
  Gary Hardister: to like five or like twelve or
  Philip Walker: But
  John Dowdy: My flatmates
  Philip Walker: but imagine
  John Dowdy: actually
  Philip Walker: someone
  John Dowdy: had
  Philip Walker: with
  John Dowdy: one with
  Philip Walker: s
  John Dowdy: a wheel, and it it did show up
  Gary Hardister: I
  John Dowdy: on the T_V_.
  Gary Hardister: oh yeah?
  Philip Walker: But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels. Then to
  Gary Hardister: 'Cause
  Philip Walker: get to channel
  Gary Hardister: you'll
  Philip Walker: one
  Gary Hardister: have
  Philip Walker: eighty
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: to
  Philip Walker: nine
  Gary Hardister: like
  Philip Walker: you have to
  John Dowdy: They have to
  Gary Hardister: but
  John Dowdy: r
  Gary Hardister: you can
  John Dowdy: wheel
  Gary Hardister: quickly
  John Dowdy: really fast.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: s you can
  John Dowdy: But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Yeah,
  John Dowdy: channels,
  Heath Bender: yeah, yeah.
  John Dowdy: at least on theirs.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah if you do, it w so it would have to be you I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of, you know, range we need to have on the wheel, and um So you're either you're you know, th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that, you know, you can like tap for, um,
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: different uh, whatchamacallits, different um, you know, functions like volume or, like you can tap just to get to different channels. Like if you just wanted to go to like from five to six you could tap or someth
  Philip Walker: Right.
  Gary Hardister: And then there's also the concern about you know um how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television, or if you want to um you know switch around, I don't know, like, these different modes like turn on the timer or like
  Philip Walker: Yeah
  Gary Hardister: something something like that, like
  Philip Walker: I mean with that many options, you'd uh I'd think that the screen would be better, because
  Gary Hardister: I would think
  Philip Walker: you
  Gary Hardister: so
  Philip Walker: could have
  Gary Hardister: too,
  Philip Walker: that
  Gary Hardister: like
  Philip Walker: menu option, sort of
  Gary Hardister: So I mean and it seems it w it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it, you know, because
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: but then again it would it does make kind of if the screen's sort of just like an option that, like, is just there and you're not really using it, that's kind of
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: It's
  Gary Hardister: m
  John Dowdy: more expensive
  Gary Hardister: yeah.
  John Dowdy: according to the design
  Philip Walker: Uh.
  John Dowdy: people.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah, that's the only
  John Dowdy: You have
  Gary Hardister: thing
  John Dowdy: to
  Gary Hardister: though.
  John Dowdy: get a an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in, which is more expensive than the regular chip, which is more expensive than the
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: minimal.
  Gary Hardister: So then basically
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  Gary Hardister: it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing, um You can get to you know, you can Like maybe it'll be that central button
  Heath Bender: Yeah,
  Gary Hardister: that,
  Heath Bender: yeah,
  Gary Hardister: like,
  Heath Bender: yeah.
  John Dowdy: Mm-hmm.
  Gary Hardister: then
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  Gary Hardister: you hit that and then you can it brings up like the menu on the T_V_
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: and you can just
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: scroll around,
  Philip Walker: So
  Gary Hardister: like,
  Philip Walker: the T_V_
  Gary Hardister: to do
  Philip Walker: is
  Gary Hardister: the timer,
  Philip Walker: the screen,
  Gary Hardister: to do the
  Philip Walker: that
  Gary Hardister: yeah,
  Philip Walker: yeah
  Gary Hardister: yeah.
  Philip Walker: So it would have all these different options
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: of changing
  Gary Hardister: But the remote
  Philip Walker: to
  Gary Hardister: itself isn't really
  Heath Bender: Look
  Gary Hardister: cluttered
  Heath Bender: it even
  Gary Hardister: up.
  Heath Bender: has settings.
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  Gary Hardister: Hmm?
  Heath Bender: On the
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: you can just
  Gary Hardister: Yeah,
  Heath Bender: take theirs
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: well we
  Heath Bender: and
  Gary Hardister: don't want the
  Heath Bender: just
  Gary Hardister: screen I guess, but um 'cause that just it does seem like, it that would be, like, incredibly expensive, but I dunno, and then so, it just im really all you need is, like, this little wheel then, and you can control everything. So
  Philip Walker: Um, right. What if I mean, if you're thinking of the design of it now, like the a you know, physical attributes,
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: um, and you just have this, it's like just a long silver thing, or whatever we're thinking. I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing? Or
  Gary Hardister: It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: longer than one second and it turns on the T_V_.
  Philip Walker: So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before. I
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: mean
  Gary Hardister: Yeah definitely. Like,
  Philip Walker: okay.
  Gary Hardister: I think we're looking at something that could be, like like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing.
  Heath Bender: Yeah
  Gary Hardister: I mean
  Heath Bender: but
  Gary Hardister: it
  Heath Bender: should
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: be
  Gary Hardister: it
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: comfortable.
  Gary Hardister: needs to be easy
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: to somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate and use your
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: I mean how do how do I'm not really Like when I use an iPod, I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it.
  Philip Walker: Yeah, I've
  Gary Hardister: So
  Philip Walker: seen some people just going like that
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: with their
  Heath Bender: Yeah
  Philip Walker: thumb,
  Gary Hardister: Or your thumb
  Heath Bender: I use
  Philip Walker: yeah.
  Gary Hardister: or something.
  Heath Bender: it like that.
  John Dowdy: W
  Gary Hardister: So
  John Dowdy: when we had the wheely remote control, we it was on the top I think, if you held it like that.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah,
  Philip Walker: But,
  Gary Hardister: so
  Philip Walker: were there buttons on there as well?
  John Dowdy: Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  John Dowdy: that I don't know what they do.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Mm
  John Dowdy: So
  Gary Hardister: yeah.
  John Dowdy: we just used the top part.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah,
  Heath Bender: Uh.
  Gary Hardister: so but I mean I think it could be pretty small. Like, I d I mean, you you want it to be large enough that you can
  Philip Walker: What if, um, you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much? Like you so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that? So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it.
  Gary Hardister: But can't you just
  Philip Walker: Do do
  Gary Hardister: get
  Philip Walker: you know what I'm talking
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: about though? Like, uh, yeah just
  John Dowdy: Yeah
  Philip Walker: something
  John Dowdy: like
  Gary Hardister: K
  John Dowdy: maybe something on the side
  Heath Bender: Well you
  John Dowdy: where
  Heath Bender: can
  John Dowdy: you
  Heath Bender: have it on
  Philip Walker: Yeah,
  Heath Bender: the settings,
  John Dowdy: slip a
  Philip Walker: that
  John Dowdy: panel
  Philip Walker: you can flip
  John Dowdy: down
  Heath Bender: no?
  John Dowdy: and it's
  Philip Walker: over,
  John Dowdy: got a
  Philip Walker: yeah,
  John Dowdy: whole
  Gary Hardister: Yeah,
  John Dowdy: bunch of
  Philip Walker: yeah.
  Gary Hardister: But, I mean, do you need that? If if you can get to, you know if so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T_V_ screen.
  Philip Walker: Yeah I mean I guess
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: that's the
  Gary Hardister: That
  Philip Walker: thing
  Gary Hardister: keeps
  Philip Walker: is
  Gary Hardister: it
  Philip Walker: is if w I
  Gary Hardister: really
  Philip Walker: if we can do this, that'd probably
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: be
  Gary Hardister: Uh you wouldn't I don't I just don't think you would even need it.
  Philip Walker: Yeah, yeah.
  Gary Hardister: So
  Philip Walker: So I
  Gary Hardister: Mean
  Philip Walker: guess we have to look into the, um, like, the programming, how this how they actually programme these things,
  John Dowdy: Oh
  Philip Walker: and if
  John Dowdy: how they
  Philip Walker: that's
  John Dowdy: make the menu show up on
  Philip Walker: yeah.
  John Dowdy: the T_V_?
  Gary Hardister: I mean
  John Dowdy: I
  Gary Hardister: you can
  John Dowdy: don't
  Gary Hardister: do
  Philip Walker: I
  John Dowdy: know.
  Gary Hardister: it,
  Philip Walker: mean
  Heath Bender: They already
  Philip Walker: it would
  Heath Bender: do
  Philip Walker: y
  Heath Bender: it.
  Philip Walker: would
  Gary Hardister: you it's
  John Dowdy: I
  Gary Hardister: it
  John Dowdy: believe
  Gary Hardister: doesn't
  Philip Walker: that
  John Dowdy: it's
  Gary Hardister: seem
  Philip Walker: would
  John Dowdy: ins
  Gary Hardister: that
  Philip Walker: be
  Gary Hardister: hard.
  John Dowdy: it's gotta be inside the T_V_, not inside the remote.
  Gary Hardister: I mean I've never bought
  John Dowdy: I'm
  Gary Hardister: a
  John Dowdy: not
  Gary Hardister: remote.
  John Dowdy: sure.
  Gary Hardister: It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television, which
  John Dowdy: Well
  Gary Hardister: is a little
  John Dowdy: they usually are. Well
  Gary Hardister: My I've never bought just a remote, like, so
  Heath Bender: No.
  Gary Hardister: I don't I don't really
  Philip Walker: Huh.
  Gary Hardister: know. But um
  John Dowdy: I guess that's right. It always comes with the T_V_.
  Gary Hardister: So, um but I mean it's I've never had a hard time with like my remotes, like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever, you know. And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard.
  John Dowdy: Yeah, it most of the ones we've had have had the menu button, 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah. Well so So, do we need I dunno. Well I guess we have to you know think about But I mean you just basically need the output signal
  John Dowdy: Mm-hmm.
  Gary Hardister: you know to
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: be able to bring it up.
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  Gary Hardister: That's what it does anyway.
  Heath Bender: But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out, because the problem with buttons is you like, they have these sort of abbreviations and
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: codes
  Philip Walker: Yeah,
  Heath Bender: that you're supposed
  Philip Walker: you
  Heath Bender: to understand,
  Philip Walker: don't know they mean,
  Heath Bender: and
  Philip Walker: yeah,
  Heath Bender: I never
  Philip Walker: it's
  Heath Bender: get
  Philip Walker: like
  Heath Bender: it.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Never
  Philip Walker: yeah.
  Heath Bender: ever. So
  Gary Hardister: So, but oh, you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen?
  Heath Bender: Well on the telly.
  John Dowdy: Or on the T_V_
  Gary Hardister: On the
  John Dowdy: too.
  Gary Hardister: telly, okay, yeah. So yeah I think, I mean, I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those like okay now I hit this you know, you have your little guide out and you're like, hit this button twice, like
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  Gary Hardister: to
  Heath Bender: Mm.
  Philip Walker: And it is technologically
  Gary Hardister: activate the date.
  Philip Walker: innovative in a way, so
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: that
  Gary Hardister: I guess.
  Philip Walker: fits with the
  Gary Hardister: And it is trendy,
  Philip Walker: B
  Gary Hardister: the iPods are
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: really hot right now,
  Heath Bender: Did you
  Gary Hardister: so
  Heath Bender: did you get that pc picture on did they provide you with that picture
  Gary Hardister: Um,
  Heath Bender: on the web?
  Gary Hardister: yeah, by web research, yeah, so
  Heath Bender: That's quite interesting. What are we going to do about this vegetable thing that I'm dreading?
  Philip Walker: Oh
  Gary Hardister: Oh.
  Philip Walker: god.
  John Dowdy: Oh, I was gonna say. You said uh people want spongy. Um,
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: one of your one of the material options is a sort of rubber that's in like those stress ball things. So,
  Gary Hardister: Oh, okay, that
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: would
  Philip Walker: Ah.
  Gary Hardister: be cool.
  John Dowdy: that would be spongy.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Mm.
  Heath Bender: Just nice feel, but I hate spongy.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah, c
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: that's e that would be kind of oh, you know, usually like the touch pad things are kind of a hard plastic typ mouse type,
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: you know, thing. But what if
  Philip Walker: I
  Gary Hardister: we
  Philip Walker: mean
  Gary Hardister: ha
  Philip Walker: definitely the area
  Gary Hardister: what if
  Philip Walker: round
  Gary Hardister: we had like
  Philip Walker: it.
  Gary Hardister: a spongy sort of like stress balley kinda so you're like
  John Dowdy: Yeah I think it could work.
  Gary Hardister: Or what
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: if we integrated the the uh the f what if the whole thing about the fruit and vegetables we somehow made it tactilely fash you know, we c tapped into that, so like it feels like
  Heath Bender: Well
  Gary Hardister: a vegetable.
  Heath Bender: it could be
  Philip Walker: An
  Heath Bender: like
  Philip Walker: orange.
  John Dowdy: Don't think
  Heath Bender: mobiles
  John Dowdy: I'd want it to feel
  Heath Bender: that just
  John Dowdy: like a banana.
  Heath Bender: you just put a cover.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: If it's a small thing, you c instead of creating an object for it that looks like a banana, which frankly I'm not particularly fond of, um you could just have covers and then your mobile f it's like a mobile phone thing. You know you
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: had
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: there was a time when they had all these different covers
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: You
  Heath Bender: for
  John Dowdy: could
  Heath Bender: mobiles.
  John Dowdy: do like the computers where they have like the grapefruit, apple machine and they have like the blueberry,
  Heath Bender: Yeah,
  John Dowdy: like all
  Heath Bender: yeah,
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: the colours
  Heath Bender: yeah.
  John Dowdy: are named after fruits.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: You could name it after fruits and vegetables,
  Heath Bender: And
  Gary Hardister: or
  Heath Bender: it could the colour can fit your sitting room, so if you have red sitting room you can have strawberry, and then if you have a green one you can have well I don't know.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Um.
  Philip Walker: So
  Gary Hardister: So
  Philip Walker: what
  Gary Hardister: I think
  Philip Walker: if what
  Gary Hardister: yeah, colours.
  Philip Walker: this is I'm just forming this idea in my head of how this thing is looking. If you have like that stress ball material kind of as what you're actually holding in your hand, so like what you're feeling is comfortable, and then there's more of a hard plastic thing
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: where that thing is.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: And on that hard plastic thing you can change either the colour or the fruit or vegetable that's on there.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: Is that kind of I 'cause I I'm thinking of silver because those are our company colours.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: Um
  Gary Hardister: Unfortunately they don't have silver fruits and vegetables. I do I dunno. Um
  Philip Walker: I mean how are you how are you all envisioning by what we've just the feedback we've just got about the
  Heath Bender: Maybe a ball.
  Philip Walker: A ball?
  Heath Bender: Know, a squashy ball. A relaxing squashy ball.
  Gary Hardister: That's in the shape of a fruit, like a
  Heath Bender: That you can p well I see you're thinking, it's weird, you're thinking the opposite of Heath Bender 'cause you're thinking you change the the hard bit
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: and I'm thinking how do you change the hard would you put a um sticker sort of? Because I was thinking if you have a cover for the squashy bit, like a
  Philip Walker: This is just Okay.
  Heath Bender: Oh,
  Philip Walker: Say
  Heath Bender: okay,
  Philip Walker: that's the s say that's
  Heath Bender: yeah.
  Philip Walker: the squashy bit. Squashy.
  Heath Bender: Yeah I was thinking of getting a cover for
  Philip Walker: That see I was thinking
  Heath Bender: Which is
  Philip Walker: this
  Heath Bender: cheaper.
  Philip Walker: s sorry
  Heath Bender: Well I don't know if it's cheaper
  Philip Walker: I was
  John Dowdy: Oh.
  Philip Walker: thinking
  Heath Bender: actually.
  John Dowdy: Mm.
  Philip Walker: this bit here would be the cover and like that's your actual
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: thing. And like this
  Gary Hardister: Oh I like
  Philip Walker: you
  Gary Hardister: that
  Philip Walker: could have
  Gary Hardister: shape.
  Philip Walker: like you could have like cherries and
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: things around there. Um
  John Dowdy: I was thinking
  Philip Walker: but
  John Dowdy: sort of a single ball shape.
  Philip Walker: I
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: was thinking if
  John Dowdy: So
  Philip Walker: it
  John Dowdy: you're
  Philip Walker: was
  John Dowdy: holding
  Philip Walker: like this
  John Dowdy: a
  Philip Walker: 'cause
  John Dowdy: squishy
  Philip Walker: the way
  John Dowdy: ball
  Philip Walker: you were
  John Dowdy: and
  Philip Walker: describing
  John Dowdy: then it has a
  Philip Walker: the the iPod and the thi the roll thingy
  Gary Hardister: It's like it
  John Dowdy: Mm-hmm.
  Gary Hardister: has to be s yeah.
  Philip Walker: It's almost like your thumb is farther up,
  John Dowdy: Yeah I guess so.
  Philip Walker: it lower
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: then
  Heath Bender: Yeah. So it wouldn't be very big in either like how big? This big, and then you just do that,
  Gary Hardister: What
  Philip Walker: Yeah,
  Gary Hardister: if, yeah,
  Philip Walker: I
  Heath Bender: I
  Philip Walker: know
  Heath Bender: suppose.
  Philip Walker: what
  Gary Hardister: what
  Philip Walker: you
  Gary Hardister: if
  Philip Walker: meant,
  Gary Hardister: the squishy,
  Philip Walker: yeah.
  Gary Hardister: oh so so you're saying the squishy part's like detachable, and you can so so maybe one you know you can have like the broccoli squishy thing, and then you could have like the banana squishy thing and you could get you could have your choice, you know?
  Heath Bender: Well just a li I can't des like condom thingy, like a a cover. But well the question is, which one's easiest to change can just
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: contact our relevant department for that, and
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: just see what the cost is for covering that or covering
  Gary Hardister: Yeah,
  Heath Bender: that,
  Gary Hardister: yeah.
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  Heath Bender: and for now we can do two prototypes maybe and then
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: hi try and ask users
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  Heath Bender: what the best is, and
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: No.
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  Gary Hardister: Oh.
  Heath Bender: Um. That's nicer. I think it's
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: nicer to have a drawing 'cause it's neater.
  Philip Walker: Hmm.
  Heath Bender: Um.
  Philip Walker: Well that's not very neat, but
  Gary Hardister: Yeah. I mean I think uh and I think the handhe I think the handheld part is definitely So you could make that into the fruit and vegetable part.
  Heath Bender: If it's a bit like those juggling balls, you can change shape according to your to the way you hold
  John Dowdy: Yeah
  Heath Bender: it.
  Philip Walker: Mm-hmm.
  Heath Bender: If
  John Dowdy: you could
  Heath Bender: it's
  John Dowdy: squish
  Heath Bender: got sand
  John Dowdy: it.
  Heath Bender: in it maybe, or something,
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: you it it just moulds to your hand.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah. So where are the fruit and vegetables now?
  Heath Bender: We
  Gary Hardister: Fruits
  Heath Bender: we don't
  Gary Hardister: and veg.
  John Dowdy: I
  Heath Bender: know.
  John Dowdy: guess they would be either in the colour of that plastic
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: face on
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  John Dowdy: the front, or in the colour of the squishy thing underneath.
  Heath Bender: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: And the rest is the company the company colour's silver?
  Philip Walker: It was, yeah, silver and yellow. It l it looks like I don't
  Gary Hardister: We could
  Heath Bender: Okay.
  Gary Hardister: promote the banana one.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: Like mm.
  Philip Walker: I mean that's another question, where are we gonna we we should have the logo somewhere on it.
  Gary Hardister: Mm.
  Heath Bender: Mm-hmm. Should also fit the batteries, which we haven't
  Gary Hardister: Oh
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Gary Hardister: yeah.
  John Dowdy: I think the batteries would have to go right under the plastic
  Philip Walker: Yeah,
  John Dowdy: case.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: th and that would
  Heath Bender: Okay.
  John Dowdy: Especially if
  Philip Walker: that
  John Dowdy: you're switching out the squishy part. Then you need to have the other part just be sort of a single unit that you can snap off.
  Heath Bender: Mm-hmm.
  Philip Walker: Mm-hmm.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah, I think, um it'd be interesting to have the b the squishy bit. The part that you, yeah, can change into the different, you know, trendy vegetables and fruits. But uh
  John Dowdy: Well I dunno.
  Gary Hardister: it
  John Dowdy: You'd spend so much time like squishing it to your own personal hand. Then you'd get a new one and you'd have to do it all over again.
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: No but it does it automatically. Does it automatically?
  Gary Hardister: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: I don't know.
  Philip Walker: I don't know what the rest of my notes mean because they were made for Heath Bender.
  Heath Bender: Okay.
  Philip Walker: But if someone components concept. Question mark. Energy. Question
  John Dowdy: That was Heath Bender.
  Philip Walker: mark. Was that you?
  John Dowdy: Yes.
  Philip Walker: Okay. Oh right right. Yeah. Um, so what d but what do we know about energy? I mean we're gonna use batteries right? And
  John Dowdy: which is something I don't know what it is. Something
  Heath Bender: Oh,
  John Dowdy: to
  Heath Bender: a dynamo
  John Dowdy: do with torches.
  Heath Bender: is ah, it's a bicycle. It's a bicycle mechanism. It's the en it's like if if something moves,
  John Dowdy: Oh
  Heath Bender: when
  John Dowdy: okay.
  Heath Bender: it moves,
  John Dowdy: Yeah,
  Heath Bender: it
  John Dowdy: the other
  Heath Bender: stores
  John Dowdy: one was
  Heath Bender: energy.
  John Dowdy: the other one was a kinetic thing where you'd basically have to wind it yourself. So
  Heath Bender: It's quite sweet.
  John Dowdy: I sort of picked battery. We could have talked about doing a wind-up or a dynamo or a solar power. Um but I think solar power's not available with the rubber case anyways.
  Philip Walker: I think batteries
  John Dowdy: It
  Philip Walker: sound good. What does
  John Dowdy: it
  Heath Bender: No.
  Philip Walker: everyone
  John Dowdy: seems
  Philip Walker: else
  John Dowdy: a little
  Philip Walker: think?
  John Dowdy: weird for
  Gary Hardister: The dynamo
  John Dowdy: a living room
  Gary Hardister: would
  John Dowdy: anyways.
  Gary Hardister: be interesting.
  Heath Bender: But dynamo the the fact with dynamo is, the moment you move it, it c it creates energy on its own.
  Gary Hardister: Oh.
  Philip Walker: What about Kryptonite?
  Heath Bender: Which is quite cool. So if you throw it, it's gonna store loads of energy, and you don't need to buy a battery 'cause they're quite f I find them annoying. But we need to find cost.
  Philip Walker: Yeah.
  Heath Bender: Don't know the cost.
  John Dowdy: Didn't have
  Heath Bender: Does
  John Dowdy: enough
  Heath Bender: anyone
  John Dowdy: data
  Heath Bender: have
  John Dowdy: to actually
  Heath Bender: costs on the on the
  John Dowdy: All
  Heath Bender: web?
  John Dowdy: it said was it gave sort of relative, some chips are more expensive than others, sort of things. It didn't give Heath Bender any actual
  Heath Bender: Okay.
  John Dowdy: cost.
  Heath Bender: Right.
  Gary Hardister: Hmm.
  Heath Bender: Mm.
  John Dowdy: Most of the stuff is pretty cheap though bought in bulk. So I don't think it's that much of a problem. Like the chip is probably the most expensive part.
  Philip Walker: What does chip on print mean?
  John Dowdy: Um, for things like remote controls, um, they stamp out a chip,
  Philip Walker: Uh-huh.
  John Dowdy: calculators too I think. Um, so you can mass produce 'em pretty cheap.
  Philip Walker: Okay.
  John Dowdy: But it's not like a computer, you can't like reprogramme your remo remote controls, it's like
  Philip Walker: Right.
  John Dowdy: stamped onto the chip.
  Philip Walker: So, chip on print is just means like that they're mass-produced.
  John Dowdy: Yeah.
  Philip Walker: Okay. And case? Uh I guess
  John Dowdy: Case
  Philip Walker: that's
  John Dowdy: is
  Philip Walker: what
  John Dowdy: what
  Philip Walker: we've
  John Dowdy: we
  Philip Walker: been
  John Dowdy: were
  Philip Walker: talking
  John Dowdy: discussing
  Philip Walker: about, yeah.
  John Dowdy: yeah.
  Philip Walker: Casing. Yeah. thinking of like syntactic case and thi um let's see. Is there anything else we need to
  Gary Hardister: Hmm.
  Philip Walker: talk about? Oh when we move on, you two are going to be playing with play-dough. Um, and working on the look and feel of the design and user interface design. And you're gonna be doing protu product evaluation. So you'll get mm m more instructions from your personal coach.
  Heath Bender: Oh, thank
  Philip Walker: Mm.
  Gary Hardister: Cool.
  Heath Bender: you.
  Philip Walker: See you soon. Does it matter that I end early?
  Heath Bender: I it's strange because
  Philip Walker: How how early is it? I didn't get a pop-up thing that said
Updated Content: Philip Walker reviewed the minutes from the previous meeting. John Dowdy gave her presentation on components and discussed which would have to be custom-made and which were standard. She also discussed the various materials and chips available. Heath Bender presented current trends in the market and in fashion. She discussed the current fruits and vegetables trend and the trend toward softer, spongier materials. Gary Hardister discussed the look of the remote with the group. They discussed including a touch-based graphical user interface but noted that it was unnecessary and costly. They discussed using the menu function on the television instead. The group discussed how the menu function would be programmed. The group then talked about the casing of the device, and decided that there would be a changeable outer casing. They discussed including fruit colors in addition to the company colors. Some part of the casing will be made of a spongy material. The group also discussed energy source options and chips. Philip Walker instructed Gary Hardister and John Dowdy to construct the prototype and Heath Bender to work on the prototype evaluation.