Extracted Content: Mitchell Swanson: Good morning, again.
  Walter Pakele: One question.
  Richard Brown: Yeah. Choose
  Walter Pakele: Send.
  Richard Brown: a number?
  Walter Pakele: Submit.
  William Richard: Yep yep yep yep.
  Mitchell Swanson: All
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: set?
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Good Okay. Let's see what we can find here. Okay. A very warm welcome again to everyone. Um here we are already at our uh functional design meeting. Um and this is what we are going to do. The opening, which we are doing now, um and the special note, I'm project manager but on the meetings I'm also the secretary, which means I will make uh minutes as I did of the previous meeting. And uh I put these as fast as possible in the uh project folder, so you can see them and review what we have discussed. Um if I'm right, there are three presentations, I guess each one of you has prepared one?
  Richard Brown: Yes.
  Mitchell Swanson: Good. And um we will also take a look at new project requirements, um if you haven't heard about them yet. And then of course we have to take a decision on the remote control functions and we have some more time, forty minutes. But I think we will need it. Um well I don't know who wants to go first with his presentation.
  Walter Pakele: I'll go first. Okay.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: I'll go first
  Richard Brown: Well.
  Mitchell Swanson: You
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: can go first, okay.
  William Richard: Well, shall I go first with the users?
  Richard Brown: Well
  William Richard: I think well okay no problem.
  Mitchell Swanson: Is there
  Richard Brown: everybody
  Mitchell Swanson: an order? I
  Richard Brown: already
  Mitchell Swanson: haven't
  Richard Brown: has
  William Richard: Ja
  Richard Brown: his presentation,
  William Richard: precies, ja precies,
  Richard Brown: so
  Walter Pakele: So.
  William Richard: ja precies
  Richard Brown: you can adjust
  Walter Pakele: Huh?
  Richard Brown: it.
  Walter Pakele: Okay, um
  Mitchell Swanson: And one question, uh your name Denni, is it with a
  William Richard: E_I_E_.
  Mitchell Swanson: I_E_ E_I_E_, okay. Thank you.
  Walter Pakele: Okay, um I wanted to explain the working design of the remote control. It's possibly very handy if you want to uh design one of those. Um well so it basically works uh as I uh uh r wrote down uh in this uh little uh summary. Uh you press a button, uh that's when you do pr example when you uh want to turn up the volume, um a little connection is made uh the the rubber uh button just presses on a
  Mitchell Swanson: Sorry.
  Walter Pakele: on a little print plate uh which uh makes uh uh a connection that uh gives the chips, uh which is uh mounted beneath those uh that plastic of a rubber button. Uh senses that a connection has been made, and know and knows what button you pressed, becau uh for example the the volume up or volume down button. Um uh the the chip uh makes a Morse code uh like uh signal which uh then is si uh signalled to uh several transistors which makes uh which sends the signal to a little let. You know what a let is?
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Okay. And that makes uh the the infra-red lights signal which is sent to the television set. Uh which has a sensor in it to uh sense uh the signal of the infra-red. That's basically uh how it works. Um the findings uh uh that I found uh searching up some uh detailed information about the remote controls, are that uh they are very easy to produce, uh it is pis uh it's possible to uh make them in mass production because it is as eas it is as easy as uh printing a page, uh just uh fibreglass plate um is b uh is uh covered with uh some uh coatings and uh uh and chips. Uh and the technology's already available, we don't have to find out how remote controls uh have to work or uh how that how uh to make some chips that are possible to uh to to transmit those uh signals. Uh I made a little uh uh animation of about how a tran our
  Richard Brown: Oh
  Walter Pakele: uh
  Richard Brown: right.
  Walter Pakele: remote controller works.
  William Richard: Animation.
  Walter Pakele: we tel
  Richard Brown: There is something turning.
  Walter Pakele: There.
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah, it's a little bug it's in the in the smart board.
  Walter Pakele: Okay. Uh well the sub-component, I suppose that you understand what a sub-component is, is f in this example it's the button. Uh when it is pressed down, um, the switch is ter is uh is switched on, so with uh the wire is sent to the to the chip in uh co-operation with the battery of course, because to make uh a a signal possible you have to have some sort of uh li uh a d ad uh electronic uh
  William Richard: Infrared light.
  Walter Pakele: Yes, uh, okay. Um w after it's being composed by the chip uh the signal uh is transported uh to the infra-red bulb, and from there it signals a Morse code-like signal to the to the b to the bulb in uh in the television set. Okay. S Uh I wrote down some personal preferences about uh the remote control. Of course it is very handy if the remote control is hand held, so you don't have to uh uh wind it up or something, or just is it's it's very light to uh to make uh to use it. Uh I personally uh pref prefer that uh it would be p uh come available in the various colours, and uh easy to use buttons. But I suppose that the one of the other team members
  Richard Brown: Yeah, I've got
  Walter Pakele: uh
  Richard Brown: it there too.
  Walter Pakele: uh thought of that uh too. And it is possible for several designs and um easy to use b uh sorry, easy to use buttons. Perhaps soft touch, uh touch screen uh buttons because uh the rubber buttons are always uh uh they uh slightly uh they can be slightly damaged, uh so the numbers on the buttons are not possible uh to read anymore. And uh well as I said uh before th uh we can uh make several designs.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Okay, well, that's my contribution to this meeting, and uh
  William Richard: To this meeting.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Walter Pakele: two
  Mitchell Swanson: thank
  Walter Pakele: of
  Mitchell Swanson: you.
  Walter Pakele: these this
  Richard Brown: Shall
  Walter Pakele: meeting.
  Richard Brown: I go uh next?
  Mitchell Swanson: Yep.
  Walter Pakele: So.
  Richard Brown: 'Kay.
  Mitchell Swanson: Please.
  Richard Brown: So.
  William Richard: Smoking.
  Richard Brown: Well uh, my name's, and I looked at uh technical functions design of the remote. Uh I did this by uh looking at examples other remote controls, of how they uh they look, and information from the web that I found. Um well what I found was that uh th the actual use of the remote control is to send messages to television set, how you uh d what you described uh just early. And this can be all sorts of medsa messages, turn it on, turn it off, uh change the channel, adjust volume, that kind of thing. Uh play video, teletext, but also t uh play C_D_ if you use it your C_D_ player the remote control will that one. There are some uh examples of remote controls. You can see they are very different. The one has got all the functions that you could possibly need and an lot of uh buttons etcetera. And the other is uh more user friendly, little with big buttons. And uh not n all the the the the stuff you can do with it, but uh the the essential stuff is there. Um I guess you could better y you should look at a a user centred uh approach, because the customers have to use them and and if they don't think it's usable they won't uh buy it. A lot of buttons they may think from I don't need s as much as that. Uh, well perf personal preferences is is uh a simple remote, with uh the basic functions that you can need that you could use. But uh keep in mind the new functions of T_V_ what we discussed earlier, split screen and uh is that a function that you should have? Because all the T_V_s will have them. Or because of only a few and isn't really necessary. And then uh make it I would make so that you can could uh use it on more than one appliance. If you have one that uh uh does with the vi the the video, it could also work with uh with the stereo, because play is play and stop stop and that sort of thing. The shu c you could reuse the buttons so that you don't have to have a lot of buttons for uh anything. And it should be a user friendly, clear buttons, and not too much. And that is my presentation.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  Mitchell Swanson: thank you.
  William Richard: 'Kay. Check.
  Richard Brown: You must still have it open.
  William Richard: Kijke
  William Richard: 'Kay, so. We're going to j discuss the functional requirements of the remote, that m that means that functions user n want to have on the remote control, or just Yeah, and the users, actually. The methods I I prefer is we're going to look which section of the users we are going to focus a l on more. Are the younger people going to buy the remote control or the elderly people? And then tho that section we're going to focus and adjust the remote more to that section than the whole user section. Okay. Some data. Younger people, from sixteen to thir forty five um years are more interested in fj features like L_C_D_ screens, speech recognition e etcetera. And we possess about two third of the market from in that range of age. The elderly people, from forty five years to sixty five years are not that much interested in features, and we possess less than two third, that's two fifth, of the market share in that area. Goed so.
  Walter Pakele: Hmm.
  William Richard: 'Kay. Findings. Fifty percent of the users lose their remote often. So we don't have to make it very small,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: like uh like a mobile phone or something, but some somewhat bi bigger than small, so you don't lose it that much anymore. Seventy five percent of the users also find it ugly,
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  William Richard: and fif seventy five of the users zap a lot, so the buttons sh should be that small, or shouldn't be that complex because we have to search for the buttons, which one are you going to use. Next. Important issues about the remote. I think it would be better with a personal reference, but okay. Remote control has to have to have a low power usage, because s w seventy five percent of the users only zap one time an hour, so the power usage is also one one time an hour, or so, with a high power usage we would use a lot of but batteries. The volume button and the channel buttons are the two most important buttons on the remote control, so those they those have to h be find very easily. And have to be somewhat like bigger etcetera. It has also be have to find easily when the label is gone. My colleague
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  William Richard: also announced it that labels should be scratched off
  Richard Brown: Hmm.
  William Richard: or would be s uh senden okay. So uh if that's k uh if that's the problem, you also have to find it easily on the remote. Buttons. Like what all colleagues said, have to have to be minimalized. or should be covered, or in L_C_D_ screen. L_C_D_ screen is easy because we have the L_C_D_ screen, we have the various options. Put one option and then you have the all the buttons of that options, so the other options would be gone. And you don't see the buttons. So L_C_D_ screens should be easy, but an L_C_D_ screen, the problem with the L_ sc L_C_D_ screen is that elderly people fr from forty five to for sixty five years don't use the L_C_D_ screen a lot. So we have to that keep that in mind that if you're going to implement L_C_D_ screen, you don't have to make it that hard to learn or to use.
  Walter Pakele: Uh L_C_D_ screen as in uh touch screen?
  William Richard: Yeah, touch screen,
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  William Richard: yeah. The last but not least, younger people are more critical about the features. Because they use the remote control often more often, and are more technical than the ol older people. And the older people spend more money,
  Richard Brown: Mm.
  William Richard: and easily on a remote control.
  Walter Pakele: 'Kay.
  William Richard: So we have to keep in mind to to focus not a lot not that much on the younger pep younger people, but also somewhat on the elderly people. And on my personal preferences, I don't have any mo more time to come with that, but like I said, L_C_D_ screen is easily to use because you have you can implement a lot of buttons in one remote with not that much buttons. And it should be easy to use. Especially the volume buttons, the channel buttes buttons and the number buttons to zap through the channels. And that is it.
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Richard Brown: Oh right.
  Mitchell Swanson: thank you. Um, well thank you all, huh. I dunno uh did everyone receive an email with uh the new project requirements?
  Richard Brown: No.
  Mitchell Swanson: No? Well,
  Richard Brown: Res I did not.
  Walter Pakele: No.
  Richard Brown: Perhaps the rest?
  Mitchell Swanson: then I think it's a good thing
  William Richard: Ja,
  Mitchell Swanson: that I made a separate slide of them so you can all read them. Oh, well not in this presentation. Hmm. Should be in there. Well, I can tell you them uh from my laptop. Um teletext does has become outdated since the popularity
  Richard Brown: Oh.
  Mitchell Swanson: of the internet. So that's uh the first thing we I think we should pay less attention to uh teletext. Uh the remote control should only be used for the television, otherwise the project becomes more complex, which endangers the time to market, and of course would make it more costly, I think. Um our current customers are within the age group of forty plus, and new product should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty, and you talked about that before. And uh a last point, but also very important, our corporate image should stay recognisable in our products, which means that our uh corporate colour and slogan must be implemented in the new design. So we have to keep that in mind. Um well uh according to our agenda it's then time to take a decision on the remote control functions.
  Richard Brown: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: So, who has any idea about what should be on it, and what shouldn't?
  Richard Brown: Well you said it should only
  William Richard: Be television.
  Richard Brown: uh work with one appliance? Or with one uh d che only the T_V_?
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Only be used
  Richard Brown: And
  Mitchell Swanson: for television.
  Richard Brown: the video also, or not uh?
  William Richard: Only
  Mitchell Swanson: Well
  William Richard: the
  Mitchell Swanson: it
  William Richard: television.
  Mitchell Swanson: says only for television here,
  Richard Brown: Oh.
  Mitchell Swanson: huh.
  Richard Brown: Alright. Okay.
  Mitchell Swanson: Makes it a lot easier, huh?
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  William Richard: So yeah, then you can yeah. Requirements, no? Functions.
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm.
  Richard Brown: Then it should
  Walter Pakele: Yeah for
  Richard Brown: have uh on, off,
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Standby
  Richard Brown: and
  William Richard: the
  Richard Brown: uh
  William Richard: basics
  Walter Pakele: options, yeah?
  William Richard: then by a volume, channel, one till two zero
  Walter Pakele: Uh yeah.
  William Richard: numbers on it,
  Richard Brown: Yeah. And per
  William Richard: oh teletext
  Richard Brown: perhaps uh
  William Richard: doesn't have to be?
  Richard Brown: No.
  William Richard: Um
  Richard Brown: Well uh uh
  William Richard: other functions.
  Richard Brown: yes yes s
  William Richard: Yeah
  Richard Brown: sh A button
  William Richard: I had
  Richard Brown: where you can uh change from one number to two
  Walter Pakele: Two
  Richard Brown: numbers.
  Walter Pakele: s two
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: two digits,
  William Richard: yeah.
  Walter Pakele: oh
  Richard Brown: Can
  Walter Pakele: okay.
  Richard Brown: you Don't know
  Walter Pakele: Yeah
  Richard Brown: if
  Walter Pakele: I
  Richard Brown: that's
  Walter Pakele: understand
  Richard Brown: got a name,
  Walter Pakele: what
  William Richard: I
  Walter Pakele: you
  William Richard: think
  Richard Brown: but
  Walter Pakele: mean.
  William Richard: it's I
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: think it's easy to implement a button with a s s what which especially do that, because some T_V_s, if you press the t one and then the two,
  Walter Pakele: It makes
  William Richard: it
  Walter Pakele: it twelve,
  William Richard: be between
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  William Richard: five secs it make twelve,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: and that's
  Walter Pakele: Indeed.
  Richard Brown: S
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  William Richard: that's not relaxed
  Walter Pakele: Well, not
  William Richard: to
  Walter Pakele: really
  William Richard: user.
  Walter Pakele: And and there are some models that don't uh accommodate that function. So
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: d uh wh the Philip's television makes it possible in that indeed to uh press one and then two to
  William Richard: So
  Walter Pakele: make
  William Richard: that
  Walter Pakele: uh
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: the
  William Richard: it easy
  Walter Pakele: uh tj
  William Richard: and
  Walter Pakele: to reach
  William Richard: fast.
  Walter Pakele: channel twelve. But
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: uh all the television makes uh use of those button
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: where you first press that button and then press two digits to uh
  Richard Brown: Yeah, so you
  Walter Pakele: to get
  Richard Brown: should have that one on.
  Walter Pakele: Uh yeah, think so.
  Richard Brown: Mute misschien
  William Richard: plus, or?
  Richard Brown: also.
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: Uh well new product should reach a market with customers that are younger than forty, and now
  William Richard: Forties,
  Mitchell Swanson: we have
  William Richard: okay
  Mitchell Swanson: current
  William Richard: because
  Mitchell Swanson: customers uh of forty plus.
  William Richard: because younger people as Uh younger people have now, sixteen till to twenty five age, are f eighty one percent interested in L_C_D_ screen. From twenty six to thirty five have sixty six percent, and thirty six to forty five, fifty five percent, so I think to um Because on most recog remote controls um the print plate will be broken how much, two years. You have to press h very hard
  Walter Pakele: Mm-hmm.
  William Richard: to go to the
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm.
  William Richard: next channel. With the L_C_D_ screen it's easier because you only have to wipe the screen to uh
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, we we
  William Richard: for
  Walter Pakele: could
  William Richard: fingerprint,
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  William Richard: and then you
  Walter Pakele: But
  William Richard: can
  Walter Pakele: I
  William Richard: use
  Walter Pakele: think
  William Richard: it
  Walter Pakele: that
  William Richard: again.
  Walter Pakele: uh that collides with our mission to make it very cheap. Because
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: L_C_D_
  William Richard: okay.
  Walter Pakele: screens are very expensive.
  William Richard: Yeah but
  Walter Pakele: A touch
  William Richard: a
  Walter Pakele: screen
  William Richard: you don't
  Richard Brown: An
  William Richard: know
  Walter Pakele: uh probably uh even more. So,
  William Richard: True.
  Walter Pakele: true, true. But uh Well um an L_C_D_ screen uh, how was the information?
  William Richard: Yeah, it only says that this perce percentage like L_C_D_ screen. Because, yeah and it says that younger age between sixteen and forty five highly interesting features more critical.
  Walter Pakele: So
  William Richard: And if
  Walter Pakele: perhaps
  William Richard: the only f
  Walter Pakele: we should we should focus on that L_C_D_ screen.
  William Richard: Yeah, because our target is sixteen to forty five.
  Richard Brown: But,
  Walter Pakele: Yeah but uh will
  Richard Brown: do you
  Walter Pakele: we not uh exceed our uh our
  William Richard: Yeah you don't
  Walter Pakele: uh production
  William Richard: know how much it costs.
  Walter Pakele: uh
  William Richard: Yeah, you don't know how much it costs, the L_C_D_ screen.
  Walter Pakele: Is it possible to find out, anyway?
  William Richard: No, I don't have
  Walter Pakele: You
  William Richard: any
  Walter Pakele: know?
  William Richard: costs here, I only have percentages.
  Richard Brown: But if you would do an L_C_D_ screen do we have don don't you have any buttons? Or because
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: if it only directs at the T_V_, then you only have uh I don't know what you want to
  Walter Pakele: No, an
  Richard Brown: do
  Walter Pakele: L_C_D_
  Richard Brown: with
  Walter Pakele: screen's
  Richard Brown: the L_C_D_
  Walter Pakele: just
  Richard Brown: screen.
  Walter Pakele: like uh like a drawn here. Um just uh displays several buttons,
  Richard Brown: Yeah?
  Walter Pakele: for example um if you wanted the minimal uh use b uh buttons, such as channel and volume, you just h uh displays four buttons on the screen
  Richard Brown: Oh right,
  Walter Pakele: and
  Richard Brown: so you
  Walter Pakele: it's
  Richard Brown: can
  Walter Pakele: possible to p uh press them down,
  Richard Brown: Oh,
  Walter Pakele: just like a touch screen.
  Richard Brown: yeah alright. So you can adjust which buttons you want on that
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: s
  William Richard: if
  Richard Brown: screen.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah,
  William Richard: you
  Walter Pakele: we
  William Richard: want
  Walter Pakele: can make
  William Richard: to adjust,
  Walter Pakele: it possible
  William Richard: like
  Walter Pakele: to do that,
  William Richard: for
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  William Richard: example, adjust the audio settings, you press audio on the touchscreen and you get
  Walter Pakele: Yeah
  William Richard: the buttons for
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  William Richard: audio settings,
  Richard Brown: Yeah alright, oh right.
  William Richard: so the other buttons are gone.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: So we're going for an L_C_D_ screen?
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: I
  Richard Brown: Would
  William Richard: think
  Richard Brown: be yeah.
  William Richard: it's the most
  Walter Pakele: That's
  William Richard: easier
  Walter Pakele: my
  William Richard: thing,
  Walter Pakele: uh
  William Richard: yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: And hoping that when we produce a lot it won't be too expensive.
  William Richard: No.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: Well we had twelve fifty, I guess,
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: for uh
  Walter Pakele: Twelve
  Richard Brown: production?
  Walter Pakele: fifty.
  Richard Brown: Yeah. I dunno how expensive an
  Walter Pakele: Um.
  Richard Brown: L_C_D_ screen is. Any guesses?
  Walter Pakele: Well I suppose wi if the mar if our um if the i if the young people are interested in L_C_D_ screens, we should
  William Richard: Highly.
  Walter Pakele: make 'em.
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm.
  Walter Pakele: And
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: if that is
  Richard Brown: But
  Walter Pakele: our d uh market share to uh and our goal to uh deliver those uh remote
  Richard Brown: But
  Walter Pakele: controls
  Richard Brown: he also said that we should not only focus on the younger people, but also on the older,
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: and will
  William Richard: but
  Richard Brown: they use it if it only has an
  William Richard: Um,
  Richard Brown: L_C_D_ screen?
  William Richard: s forty six to forty five, thirty three percent, and sixty fifty six to sixty five twelve percent. But
  Richard Brown: Oh, so
  William Richard: our
  Richard Brown: still a little
  William Richard: our
  Richard Brown: bit people
  William Richard: our what's it, project requirements are the new products should be reached for new
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: markets, to customers that are
  Richard Brown: Yeah
  William Richard: younger
  Richard Brown: that's
  William Richard: than forty.
  Richard Brown: right. But you don't want to alienate the other uh
  William Richard: No, that not now, but, so
  Richard Brown: But if they also buy it then it's alright. I guess.
  William Richard: Yeah, but market share fro for for
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: forty years and younger is higher than that of sixty five
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: and younger.
  Richard Brown: Alright.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, so
  Richard Brown: An
  Mitchell Swanson: L_C_D_ it is?
  Richard Brown: Yes.
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay.
  Walter Pakele: It's treasure.
  Mitchell Swanson: And
  Walter Pakele: I
  Mitchell Swanson: what
  Walter Pakele: hope
  Mitchell Swanson: else?
  Walter Pakele: we uh h and
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: let's
  William Richard: i
  Walter Pakele: hope to
  William Richard: i if
  Walter Pakele: reach
  William Richard: it
  Walter Pakele: those uh
  William Richard: Yeah, if it costs
  Walter Pakele: those sales.
  William Richard: gets too much, too expensive, then yeah, we should be sticking to rubber buttons.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, can you um uh s I think that that they will send you some information about uh the cost of L_C_D_ uh
  William Richard: N
  Walter Pakele: screens.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: nothing, no costs at all.
  Walter Pakele: Uh
  Richard Brown: But
  Walter Pakele: so if
  Richard Brown: perhaps
  Walter Pakele: you
  Richard Brown: later,
  Walter Pakele: uh Yeah,
  Richard Brown: so uh
  Walter Pakele: so if you uh you receive an email about that, uh can you post it in the
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: or shouldn't
  William Richard: in
  Walter Pakele: we post that in uh our projects mail uh folder.
  William Richard: I think
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: that should yeah I think we all get the costs of everything.
  Richard Brown: I
  Walter Pakele: Because you are
  Richard Brown: don't
  Walter Pakele: the the Marketing uh
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Expert.
  William Richard: okay, I'll I'll
  Walter Pakele: I
  William Richard: post
  Walter Pakele: uh
  William Richard: it.
  Richard Brown: Well perhaps we should have a backup plan that we would use buttons
  Walter Pakele: Yeah sure,
  Richard Brown: if it's
  Walter Pakele: sure.
  Richard Brown: uh
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: too expensive.
  Mitchell Swanson: okay. But for now
  William Richard: Okay,
  Mitchell Swanson: it's L_C_D_.
  William Richard: L_C_D_,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay.
  William Richard: Then you have the seventy five percent of users find it r ugly.
  Richard Brown: The L_C_D_?
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: Oh
  William Richard: and
  Richard Brown: that's
  William Richard: eighty
  Richard Brown: a
  William Richard: percent
  Richard Brown: bit of a problem.
  William Richard: of the users would spend more money with a when a remote would look fancy.
  Richard Brown: Oh, that's
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Richard Brown: a bit of a problem.
  William Richard: Tha i l i it'll look fancy with
  Walter Pakele: It's
  William Richard: L_C_D_
  Walter Pakele: looks fancy
  William Richard: screen.
  Walter Pakele: one yeah, of L_C_D_
  Richard Brown: Yeah, but
  Walter Pakele: screen.
  Richard Brown: they
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: don't they
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: don't like it. They think it's ugly. When it has an L_C_D_
  William Richard: Yeah, just
  Richard Brown: screen.
  William Richard: a the plain remotes, not not specific L_C_D_ remotes.
  Richard Brown: Oh, alright, I thought that you said that.
  William Richard: So
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah, and maybe you can make something fancy out of an L_C_D_ remote,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: because it's new,
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Mitchell Swanson: as far as I know.
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Mm yeah.
  William Richard: of course. And
  Walter Pakele: And
  William Richard: then
  Walter Pakele: then
  William Richard: you have
  Walter Pakele: not
  William Richard: the other
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  William Richard: thing, that seventy five percent zap a lot, but that's
  Walter Pakele: Um.
  William Richard: not a f question with the L_C_D_ screen. Only thing you have to do is wipe the screen off once each time,
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: to get all the fingerprints off it.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Mm. Okay?
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, what else does our remote need?
  William Richard: Um
  Richard Brown: A mute button.
  Mitchell Swanson: Mute button.
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Richard Brown: I think.
  William Richard: The most important
  Richard Brown: And
  William Richard: things on a f on an on an uh remote control are channel selection, volume con selection,
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: and power s power usage.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: And a teletext, but that
  Richard Brown: But
  William Richard: is not of the question. Other things are
  Richard Brown: you put a button of
  William Richard: Sorry?
  Richard Brown: for teletext on the for the people who want to use it?
  William Richard: Yeah, it
  Richard Brown: Remembering
  William Richard: could be.
  Richard Brown: we have got a big remote
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: that you have to fill.
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and we could make an a a separate menu on the L_C_D_
  William Richard: Yeah, teletext.
  Mitchell Swanson: uh
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: screen
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: for teletext.
  Walter Pakele: And there's
  William Richard: And
  Walter Pakele: also
  William Richard: other
  Walter Pakele: a
  William Richard: other less important things are screen settings, audio settings, and channel settings,
  Richard Brown: Yeah, they
  William Richard: but
  Richard Brown: are less important, but I think they should
  William Richard: Less important.
  Richard Brown: be there,
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: or not?
  William Richard: should be there, but not
  Walter Pakele: A sh but in a sub sub-menu
  William Richard: press
  Walter Pakele: or
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: something
  William Richard: sub-menu,
  Walter Pakele: like that.
  William Richard: yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Uh I think it's also important to uh make it possible to um how do you call it in English, uh, to not use batteries, and use ac uh bat uh batteries to uh
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm.
  Richard Brown: Like with
  Walter Pakele: to be
  Richard Brown: a with
  Walter Pakele: yeah
  Richard Brown: a mouse, you
  Walter Pakele: yeah sure.
  Richard Brown: have not,
  Walter Pakele: Indeed.
  Richard Brown: yeah.
  Walter Pakele: So uh you can mount uh the the the uh
  William Richard: Yeah, in a breath it's
  Walter Pakele: uh the remote control to um
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm.
  William Richard: Charted.
  Richard Brown: We should think
  Walter Pakele: to refill
  Richard Brown: of the twelve fifty
  Walter Pakele: the
  Richard Brown: we have but
  William Richard: Yeah, but we don't
  Richard Brown: I
  William Richard: we
  Richard Brown: don't
  William Richard: don't
  Richard Brown: know
  William Richard: have
  Richard Brown: how
  William Richard: any
  Richard Brown: much
  William Richard: costs
  Richard Brown: that's
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: going
  William Richard: now, so
  Richard Brown: to uh
  Walter Pakele: Okay,
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: because i uh when you get an L_C_D_ screen, you run it on batteries,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: the batteries will be uh empty
  William Richard: Yeah
  Walter Pakele: very
  William Richard: e
  Walter Pakele: soon,
  William Richard: e power
  Walter Pakele: very
  William Richard: supply
  Walter Pakele: fast.
  William Richard: is one of
  Richard Brown: You
  William Richard: the
  Richard Brown: should
  William Richard: most important things.
  Richard Brown: Perhaps you should be able to
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: to switch the control off. If you have an L_C_D_ screen that's burns all the time I dunno.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
  Richard Brown: You shouldn't on and off because that's ver extra, that you have t first you have to turn the remote on, and then you can uh
  Mitchell Swanson: Mm-hmm.
  Walter Pakele: Uh
  Richard Brown: I don't
  William Richard: Yeah, I
  Richard Brown: know.
  William Richard: think it's it's not that easy because I don't think people will like it who who uh that you have to turn it on
  Richard Brown: Nee
  William Richard: first
  Richard Brown: that's
  William Richard: and then
  Richard Brown: that's
  William Richard: use it, so
  Richard Brown: uh yeah.
  William Richard: I think it's better when th the T_V_ shuts down, the remote shuts down.
  Richard Brown: But
  Walter Pakele: And
  Richard Brown: then you
  Walter Pakele: go
  Richard Brown: can't
  Walter Pakele: to standby mode when you don't use
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: it, so that
  Richard Brown: Yeah yeah au automac matically, that it
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, automatically.
  Richard Brown: yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: After two
  William Richard: After
  Walter Pakele: minutes
  William Richard: two
  Walter Pakele: or three
  William Richard: minutes, yeah
  Walter Pakele: minutes,
  William Richard: two three
  Walter Pakele: something
  William Richard: minutes,
  Walter Pakele: like
  William Richard: yeah.
  Walter Pakele: that.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah. And maybe a low battery indicator?
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: On the screen.
  Walter Pakele: Sure.
  William Richard: Yeah. And then b that uh before an hour when its get again gets empty.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: Then you have plenty of time to recharge it, of put
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  William Richard: it in a recharger. Charger.
  Mitchell Swanson: So we are going for the for the recharger.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay.
  William Richard: if it's. Uh.
  Richard Brown: If it's sensible.
  William Richard: Yeah, because when you're watching T_V_,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: you're zapping and you have to put it in a recharger,
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  William Richard: and I don't
  Richard Brown: b when
  Walter Pakele: No,
  William Richard: think
  Richard Brown: the
  William Richard: it
  Richard Brown: batteries
  Walter Pakele: when you
  Richard Brown: are low
  Walter Pakele: when you're done with s uh w uh
  William Richard: Yeah, okay, but then we
  Walter Pakele: watching
  William Richard: have to be
  Walter Pakele: your
  William Richard: sure
  Walter Pakele: television,
  William Richard: that the
  Walter Pakele: you
  William Richard: the
  Walter Pakele: have
  William Richard: the
  Walter Pakele: to put
  William Richard: the batteries
  Walter Pakele: it
  William Richard: go hours, six hours, five,
  Walter Pakele: Yeah sure,
  William Richard: six hours,
  Richard Brown: But you'll
  Walter Pakele: of course.
  William Richard: then.
  Richard Brown: also forget to put it in,
  William Richard: Yeah, then
  Richard Brown: because
  Walter Pakele: Yeah,
  William Richard: you have
  Richard Brown: you
  Walter Pakele: but
  William Richard: a problem.
  Richard Brown: throw it on the couch and you don't remember.
  Walter Pakele: But you also forget to buy batteries,
  Richard Brown: Yeah. That's
  Walter Pakele: and
  Richard Brown: right.
  Walter Pakele: then you can you can't use it, so
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: I
  William Richard: Or we have to be sure that the batteries last couple of days when they're recharged.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: So.
  Richard Brown: Well I think the batteries should should w should work a lot longer than a couple of days,
  William Richard: Yeah because
  Richard Brown: or not?
  William Richard: you have b but
  Richard Brown: 'Cause
  William Richard: you have L_C_D_ screen.
  Richard Brown: Yeah, that's right,
  William Richard: High power
  Richard Brown: but
  William Richard: usage.
  Walter Pakele: High power user cell, i uh it should be uh a standard move to to put your remote control in the charger when you're done
  William Richard: Yes.
  Walter Pakele: watching television, that's also a a a great advantage because you can't lose it anymore. Because you are
  William Richard: True.
  Walter Pakele: obliged to uh put it in the charger
  William Richard: Yeah. Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: and not
  William Richard: True.
  Walter Pakele: to uh leave it in a couch uh between some cushions.
  Richard Brown: Yeah. Right.
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  William Richard: you made a point there.
  Richard Brown: But
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: then you also
  Mitchell Swanson: also.
  Richard Brown: have to s have somewhere where you can put a remo recharger near your couch because otherwise you have to
  William Richard: Yeah, otherwise
  Richard Brown: walk
  William Richard: all
  Richard Brown: a
  William Richard: your
  Richard Brown: long
  William Richard: yeah.
  Richard Brown: way when you twoft want to turn on the T_V_.
  William Richard: Just a small device.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah it
  William Richard: Plug
  Richard Brown: I think
  Walter Pakele: hasn't
  William Richard: it in,
  Walter Pakele: It
  Richard Brown: everything
  Walter Pakele: doesn't
  William Richard: that's
  Walter Pakele: have
  William Richard: it.
  Richard Brown: has
  Walter Pakele: to be big.
  Richard Brown: it
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: for
  William Richard: like a
  Richard Brown: and
  William Richard: like
  Richard Brown: I
  William Richard: telephone
  Richard Brown: guess.
  William Richard: charger or something.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah just just a cable, or
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: a even a a a a a charger where you can mount it on.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Something like that, just u
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  Richard Brown: Alright.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, well
  William Richard: It has to be
  Mitchell Swanson: I've
  William Richard: easy to use also, or
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah,
  William Richard: things.
  Mitchell Swanson: you have some more points.
  William Richard: Uh market share, speaker re speech recognition. I think.
  Walter Pakele: Functional designs uh for the elderly uh you could make it possible to enlarge the screen, so make
  William Richard: Also.
  Walter Pakele: it possible to not uh display uh a button at ten points uh,
  William Richard: Well I
  Walter Pakele: or
  William Richard: think that this should be standard. Large
  Walter Pakele: Yeah but it is
  William Richard: button
  Walter Pakele: uh one
  William Richard: large
  Walter Pakele: of the functions
  William Richard: buttons.
  Walter Pakele: you have to uh specify.
  William Richard: Yeah? Okay.
  Walter Pakele: Because we can look at uh uh perhaps uh forty buttons at a screen, but the elderly only look at two buttons. Okay.
  Mitchell Swanson: And you said something about speech recognition?
  William Richard: Yeah, it
  Walter Pakele: Speech
  William Richard: says also
  Walter Pakele: recognition?
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Hello. Twelve Euro twelve
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  William Richard: Twelve.
  Richard Brown: twelve
  Walter Pakele: Euro
  Richard Brown: fifty,
  Walter Pakele: fifty.
  Richard Brown: twelve fifty.
  William Richard: That's an also ninety one percent sixteen to twenty five, twenty six to thirty five years, seventy six percent, and thirty six to forty five, thirty five percent.
  Richard Brown: So it's pretty
  Walter Pakele: Well,
  Richard Brown: big.
  Walter Pakele: spread
  William Richard: But
  Walter Pakele: it by a
  William Richard: then
  Walter Pakele: big
  William Richard: I
  Walter Pakele: market.
  William Richard: I I
  Mitchell Swanson: Even bigger than for L_C_D_.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: W I know let's do a speech.
  Walter Pakele: Well let's leave out all the remote controls and just put a
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: microphone
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: on top
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: of the television to
  William Richard: Ninety. Twenty five.
  Richard Brown: You can clap
  Walter Pakele: Yeah
  Richard Brown: or something.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: channel.
  Walter Pakele: Turn volume up.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Hey, that that's an idea.
  Richard Brown: Now you shouldn't say the wrong thing, I dunno.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Okay, well that should it has to be remote control, not
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: twelve.
  Richard Brown: But they want to talk into the remo remote
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: control,
  Walter Pakele: Sure
  Richard Brown: or
  Walter Pakele: why
  Richard Brown: something,
  Walter Pakele: not
  Richard Brown: or?
  William Richard: Is
  Walter Pakele: why
  William Richard: this
  Walter Pakele: not
  William Richard: only would you would you pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. It's
  Walter Pakele: Yeah,
  William Richard: the only thing it says.
  Walter Pakele: mm.
  Richard Brown: Oh, but do we want to implement that, or?
  William Richard: I think an L_C_D_ screen should be suf sufficient.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: But when you look at the percentages
  William Richard: Yeah, it says a lot, but
  Walter Pakele: Perhaps the options
  Mitchell Swanson: Speech
  Walter Pakele: should
  Mitchell Swanson: recognition
  Walter Pakele: be uh
  Mitchell Swanson: scores even higher, huh?
  Walter Pakele: Why not?
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Why not?
  Mitchell Swanson: well, maybe because of the cost, but uh
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: nobody knows uh how
  Walter Pakele: Let's
  Mitchell Swanson: much
  Walter Pakele: hope uh
  Mitchell Swanson: uh
  Richard Brown: I
  William Richard: No
  Richard Brown: know
  Walter Pakele: to have
  William Richard: I
  Mitchell Swanson: it
  William Richard: think
  Walter Pakele: some
  William Richard: I
  Mitchell Swanson: will
  Walter Pakele: uh
  William Richard: think
  Mitchell Swanson: cost
  William Richard: it's
  Walter Pakele: d
  William Richard: better to have
  Mitchell Swanson: uh.
  William Richard: L_ L_C_D_ screen, because in the area of tw thirty six to forty five, we have about thirty percent of the market share in in our hands, and fifty five of those people want L_C_D_ screen and thirty five want speech recognition. So I think it's better to keep it with L_C_D_ screen.
  Richard Brown: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: But would it be useful to imple implement both?
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Mitchell Swanson: On one remote?
  William Richard: if the
  Richard Brown: Well
  William Richard: costs
  Mitchell Swanson: Or
  William Richard: al allow it.
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: I
  Mitchell Swanson: I
  Richard Brown: don't
  Mitchell Swanson: dunno.
  Richard Brown: know if that can be done with the cost of twelve fifty.
  William Richard: Nee.
  Richard Brown: With that uh
  William Richard: If it should be done, if it could be done,
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: We
  William Richard: I
  Walter Pakele: should
  William Richard: won't
  Walter Pakele: do
  William Richard: matter.
  Walter Pakele: it.
  Richard Brown: but how
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: would
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: you
  Walter Pakele: Sure.
  Richard Brown: like to implement that, that you say volume up, and then it goes
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: up,
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: or? Uh.
  Walter Pakele: Certain systems already exist, I think.
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Richard Brown: Then you also have to have different languages if we go international. Then uh
  William Richard: True.
  Richard Brown: it's y
  Walter Pakele: True,
  Richard Brown: it's
  Walter Pakele: yeah.
  Richard Brown: yours to do
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: a
  William Richard: True.
  Richard Brown: French and
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: Dutch and English and
  William Richard: But that should
  Walter Pakele: This should be
  William Richard: also
  Walter Pakele: uh accommodated
  William Richard: be with f
  Walter Pakele: with some software,
  William Richard: should be also with L_C_D_
  Walter Pakele: uh,
  William Richard: screen.
  Walter Pakele: uh. Yeah.
  William Richard: Because then I think in Chinese
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  William Richard: is
  Richard Brown: that's
  William Richard: different
  Richard Brown: right.
  William Richard: written, volume is different written than um
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: Swahili
  Walter Pakele: Right.
  William Richard: or something.
  Walter Pakele: Swahili.
  Richard Brown: Yeah you
  Walter Pakele: Swahili.
  Richard Brown: can use icons for the
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: Ja, well possible.
  Richard Brown: a speaker and uh
  Walter Pakele: Indeed.
  Richard Brown: But if that's better
  William Richard: Yeah, yeah
  Richard Brown: than
  William Richard: yeah
  Richard Brown: language
  William Richard: yeah.
  Richard Brown: for
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: the for the remote.
  Walter Pakele: So we want to uh yeah it's international
  Richard Brown: Then it's
  Walter Pakele: uh
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: okay. Okay.
  William Richard: 'Kay, what else?
  Mitchell Swanson: So, no speech recognition? Or
  Richard Brown: Well, if it could be done, we
  William Richard: Yeah, we
  Walter Pakele: Y
  William Richard: have
  Walter Pakele: it
  William Richard: to
  Walter Pakele: should
  William Richard: keep
  Walter Pakele: be done.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: If it could be done, should be done.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah, and then we have different languages.
  Richard Brown: Yeah, that should be uh
  Walter Pakele: That's not so difficult
  Richard Brown: anything matters.
  Walter Pakele: at all,
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Walter Pakele: because
  Mitchell Swanson: just make
  Walter Pakele: I
  Mitchell Swanson: a separate
  Walter Pakele: already
  Mitchell Swanson: remote
  Walter Pakele: use
  Mitchell Swanson: for
  Walter Pakele: on several
  Mitchell Swanson: each uh
  Walter Pakele: voice operated systems, and they are all possible to uh not all, but
  Richard Brown: Well, you
  William Richard: I think
  Richard Brown: sh
  William Richard: it's
  Richard Brown: you
  William Richard: difficult.
  Richard Brown: should to adjust the thing.
  William Richard: Every language of dialects
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: I think it's very differen difficult.
  Richard Brown: And you have to speak the so that it
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: can understand.
  William Richard: I think it can't be implemented, but maybe
  Richard Brown: You could use that n as an option,
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: if you
  William Richard: 's
  Richard Brown: have
  William Richard: an option, yes.
  Richard Brown: money left, or something.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, sure, indeed.
  William Richard: Fifty Euro cents.
  Richard Brown: Yeah. Let's do speech.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: For speech recognition.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, so we only do this when we have enough money left.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay. Well I've written down an an on or off button, volume selection, channel selection, uh the digits from one to zero, huh. Um or from zero to nine. Uh a digits button to switch uh between one and two digits, mute button, a separate menu for teletext, a battery indicator. Um we're going to use a docking station and uh probably L_C_D_ and if there's enough money, speech recognition.
  Richard Brown: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: And uh the possibility to uh enlarge buttons or to have large buttons
  William Richard: Mm,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: yes.
  Richard Brown: I
  Mitchell Swanson: in
  Richard Brown: With
  Mitchell Swanson: general.
  Richard Brown: uh teletext if it wasn't ver very important,
  William Richard: No,
  Richard Brown: it was
  William Richard: but
  Richard Brown: but You also now have colours. I don't know if we should implement that.
  William Richard: Curved?
  Richard Brown: Yeah, when you press the red button, you go to page one hundred two, and when you press the
  Walter Pakele: Uh yeah.
  Richard Brown: I don't know if we should
  William Richard: Um.
  Richard Brown: implement that, because it says that teletext not really
  Walter Pakele: S
  Richard Brown: important,
  Walter Pakele: Shortcuts.
  Richard Brown: but
  Walter Pakele: Uh.
  Richard Brown: yeah, the shortcut,
  William Richard: I
  Richard Brown: and
  William Richard: think
  Richard Brown: you can't
  William Richard: we should
  Richard Brown: go
  William Richard: we
  Richard Brown: to
  William Richard: could
  Richard Brown: sport.
  William Richard: that we could also implement a audio settings, screen settings and channel settings, but as sub-menus.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  William Richard: D Mainly if you turn the uh remote control on, you have to u you have to see from one till zero, channel and volume. And if you want to use teletext screen or audio, then you can
  Walter Pakele: Sh
  William Richard: press it.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah,
  William Richard: It
  Walter Pakele: just
  William Richard: should be
  Walter Pakele: just
  William Richard: available
  Walter Pakele: sub-menu.
  William Richard: but not
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: 'Cause
  Walter Pakele: Not
  Richard Brown: it should
  Walter Pakele: directly
  William Richard: not
  Richard Brown: be there.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: uh available.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, too much teletext support, but in a separate menu, and
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Richard Brown: So actually it is there but it's
  William Richard: Yeah, but
  Richard Brown: just
  William Richard: s
  Richard Brown: not r ready
  Walter Pakele: Directly
  Richard Brown: there.
  Walter Pakele: available.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: So does it confuse uh the
  Richard Brown: You'll
  Walter Pakele: user?
  Richard Brown: have to search
  William Richard: They'd
  Richard Brown: for
  William Richard: have
  Richard Brown: it.
  William Richard: to be easy
  Walter Pakele: Uh.
  William Richard: to use.
  Walter Pakele: I'll search um. If you want to use teletext, you can push the teletext
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: button and then the options uh become available.
  Richard Brown: Yeah, that's a
  William Richard: The sign of it.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, but no more buttons or functions, or?
  William Richard: Uh,
  Walter Pakele: No.
  Richard Brown: I guess
  William Richard: no.
  Richard Brown: not.
  William Richard: What else can you do with
  Richard Brown: We've
  William Richard: a
  Richard Brown: got
  William Richard: television?
  Richard Brown: anon
  Mitchell Swanson: Aren't we forgetting something
  Richard Brown: Have got got
  Mitchell Swanson: very
  Richard Brown: two
  Mitchell Swanson: important?
  Richard Brown: examples here, but I don't think there's anything
  William Richard: Uh
  Richard Brown: we're missing.
  William Richard: play, pause, doesn't n need to be
  Richard Brown: Well, we
  William Richard: there.
  Richard Brown: don't have the video orders
  William Richard: Yes, so this is your presentation. We could check the other remote controls with
  Richard Brown: Yeah, you
  William Richard: technical
  Richard Brown: could look
  William Richard: functions.
  Richard Brown: here all the the
  William Richard: Which ones were yours?
  Richard Brown: Uh th th th th I don't know, technical
  William Richard: Techni
  Richard Brown: functions. They're a bit small, you can we should stretch them, because
  Mitchell Swanson: Ping.
  William Richard: Ja ja ja ja ja. Technical functions. Yeah okay.
  Richard Brown: I guess we've got them all.
  William Richard: Uh I think I go to have volume, mute but I Yeah. Very slow. Yeah, the zoom buttons.
  Richard Brown: And for a T_V_?
  William Richard: Yeah, b wide
  Richard Brown: Can you zoom
  William Richard: screen,
  Richard Brown: in a T_V_?
  William Richard: high screen, different
  Richard Brown: Or
  William Richard: things
  Richard Brown: that
  William Richard: you
  Richard Brown: you
  William Richard: have,
  Richard Brown: can put 'em on uh on
  William Richard: yeah different
  Richard Brown: on wide
  William Richard: uh
  Richard Brown: and
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: yeah. But that should also be a sub then, a sub uh menu
  Walter Pakele: Menu.
  William Richard: Yeah
  Richard Brown: thing.
  William Richard: it should be available, but then in separate screen settings or something.
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Richard Brown: so we should also implement se screen settings.
  William Richard: Yeah, screen settings, audio settings,
  Richard Brown: Oh
  William Richard: teletext
  Richard Brown: right.
  William Richard: settings you have.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: Channel settings.
  Richard Brown: Yeah, so you can program
  William Richard: So those
  Richard Brown: the
  William Richard: four, and of course the main.
  Richard Brown: Yeah, so the first you see the main, and the other ones you can
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: uh go
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: to uh
  William Richard: Like tap screens or something
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: or, I dunno.
  Richard Brown: I
  William Richard: Something
  Richard Brown: hope we can do this.
  Walter Pakele: There are a
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: lot of options
  William Richard: if
  Walter Pakele: depending
  William Richard: uh
  Walter Pakele: uh on what kind of television you got. 'Cause if you don't got a wide screen television you don't need the uh
  William Richard: No, you don't
  Walter Pakele: the screen
  William Richard: yu a
  Walter Pakele: settings
  William Richard: no you then
  Walter Pakele: uh
  William Richard: you
  Walter Pakele: for
  William Richard: don't no ni
  Walter Pakele: uh
  William Richard: don't then you don't use it.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah and if the television does not support such uh operations
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Richard Brown: We don't have to use that top. Yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: So you leave it alone.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah. Or it could be possible to have a a standard version of the remote,
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: an expanded version.
  Richard Brown: And do we want them in different colours,
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: or And
  William Richard: Colours.
  Richard Brown: and the buttons, should they have
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: colours?
  Walter Pakele: Colours I think the main colour of the
  Richard Brown: Oh but we
  Walter Pakele: remote
  Richard Brown: don't have
  Walter Pakele: control
  Richard Brown: any buttons.
  Walter Pakele: is uh the colour of the L_C_D_ screen.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: I
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Because
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: we don't
  William Richard: then
  Walter Pakele: want
  William Richard: defines
  Walter Pakele: a lot
  William Richard: itself.
  Walter Pakele: a devi yeah
  William Richard: Because
  Walter Pakele: a device
  William Richard: uh
  Walter Pakele: self s g
  William Richard: how many percent? Eighty percent?
  Richard Brown: They think it's ugly,
  William Richard: Would spend
  Richard Brown: right?
  William Richard: more money if it looks fancy.
  Walter Pakele: Okay, so use uh very uh lot of peo
  Richard Brown: Perhaps you can uh make adjustable fronts, like with the telephones.
  Walter Pakele: Adjust with phones, yes
  Richard Brown: You can uh But
  Walter Pakele: Okay.
  Richard Brown: I
  Walter Pakele: Twelve
  Richard Brown: don't
  Walter Pakele: Euro fifty.
  Richard Brown: think that uh
  Walter Pakele: Well, make it available in different colours, you mean? Sure.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: Red, white, blue, black.
  William Richard: Rasta
  Mitchell Swanson: And a see-through
  William Richard: colours.
  Walter Pakele: Grey.
  Mitchell Swanson: uh
  Walter Pakele: Yeah
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: sea view,
  William Richard: Yeah, see
  Walter Pakele: yes,
  William Richard: through version.
  Walter Pakele: Simpson's versions and
  William Richard: Yeah. If you press a button, it turns green.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Walter Pakele: Leave.
  Richard Brown: A
  Mitchell Swanson: well
  Richard Brown: disco version.
  Mitchell Swanson: that's the
  Richard Brown: Five minutes?
  Mitchell Swanson: signal for las final five minutes. Um so I have uh the things I just read. Um then we have uh separate menus for teletext, screen settings, audio settings, and
  Walter Pakele: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: what else?
  William Richard: Channel settings?
  Richard Brown: Oh yeah, right.
  Mitchell Swanson: Channel
  Richard Brown: So you
  Mitchell Swanson: settings.
  Richard Brown: can program the T_V_.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay.
  William Richard: Mm.
  Richard Brown: Perhaps you should you'd throw them on on in one pile. So, options, and then you sub them.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Richard Brown: Otherwise
  William Richard: Could
  Richard Brown: you
  William Richard: be possible.
  Richard Brown: have all those teletext, perhaps teletext
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Richard Brown: not, but
  William Richard: Or like uh you
  Mitchell Swanson: No,
  William Richard: have
  Mitchell Swanson: we
  William Richard: a menu
  Mitchell Swanson: said teletext
  William Richard: button, you
  Mitchell Swanson: also
  William Richard: press
  Mitchell Swanson: a separate menu.
  William Richard: Yeah, or
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  William Richard: otherwise
  Richard Brown: but I
  William Richard: you have a menu button, press menu then you have uh
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  William Richard: main uh menu search uh all the all the settings.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Richard Brown: But
  Mitchell Swanson: but we can work that out
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Mitchell Swanson: later,
  William Richard: no problem.
  Mitchell Swanson: I guess. So
  William Richard: Yep.
  Mitchell Swanson: we're having a a general menu with the most used functions, uh teletext, screen settings, audio settings, channel settings, and maybe there are options for the remote itself? Like
  Richard Brown: I don't
  Mitchell Swanson: uh
  Richard Brown: know.
  Mitchell Swanson: large icons or small icons and
  William Richard: Um,
  Mitchell Swanson: I don't know what
  Walter Pakele: No.
  Mitchell Swanson: else, but
  William Richard: I think b because we don't have a lot of buttons on the one screen, I
  Richard Brown: Or
  William Richard: think
  Richard Brown: do we
  William Richard: the
  Richard Brown: have
  William Richard: buttons
  Richard Brown: any buttons?
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: On the
  William Richard: but
  Richard Brown: remote.
  William Richard: but or
  Richard Brown: Which
  William Richard: like
  Richard Brown: one?
  William Richard: you have you only have channel button or volume button. Those buttons
  Richard Brown: But
  William Richard: you
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah,
  William Richard: can
  Richard Brown: that's
  Mitchell Swanson: but
  Richard Brown: also
  Mitchell Swanson: on
  William Richard: you
  Mitchell Swanson: the
  William Richard: can
  Mitchell Swanson: L_C_D_,
  Richard Brown: in the L_C_D_,
  Mitchell Swanson: huh?
  Richard Brown: right?
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Right, yeah, okay.
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: So we don't
  William Richard: th
  Richard Brown: have any normal buttons
  William Richard: No, no
  Richard Brown: that
  William Richard: normal
  Richard Brown: uh No,
  William Richard: buttons,
  Richard Brown: alright.
  William Richard: yeah. Maybe only the on and o
  Richard Brown: Yet
  William Richard: on
  Richard Brown: on
  William Richard: and off
  Richard Brown: and off
  William Richard: button.
  Richard Brown: is
  Mitchell Swanson: But
  Richard Brown: p is
  Mitchell Swanson: we don't
  Richard Brown: perhaps
  Walter Pakele: Uh
  William Richard: But
  Mitchell Swanson: need
  Walter Pakele: not
  William Richard: I don't
  Mitchell Swanson: a special
  Walter Pakele: button
  Richard Brown: you kno
  William Richard: think
  Mitchell Swanson: we don't need a special options menu for the remote itself.
  William Richard: Mm,
  Richard Brown: No,
  William Richard: no.
  Richard Brown: no.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay.
  Richard Brown: Oh well, you should be able to set which T_V_ you have. If you
  Walter Pakele: Yeah
  Richard Brown: have
  Walter Pakele: sure, of
  Richard Brown: if
  Walter Pakele: course
  Richard Brown: you
  Walter Pakele: you need
  Richard Brown: have uh
  Walter Pakele: uh a settings button, uh or a settings option for the remote control.
  Richard Brown: Yeah. But isn't idea to use uh uh what you said, uh normal on and off button for the T_V_,
  William Richard: No no
  Richard Brown: that
  William Richard: no,
  Richard Brown: you
  William Richard: because
  Richard Brown: don't have
  William Richard: we
  Richard Brown: to
  William Richard: we
  Richard Brown: use a
  William Richard: discussed that you could charge it, otherwise is it it jumps to stand-by mode
  Richard Brown: Yeah
  William Richard: automatically.
  Richard Brown: but but not for the remote but for the T_V_, that
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: you
  William Richard: but
  Richard Brown: use
  William Richard: a T_V_ of course, th that's the I think that's a best thing is that to implement that one in the menu with the volume and channel.
  Richard Brown: But a not as normal button,
  William Richard: No.
  Richard Brown: in the L_C_D_, yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Well maybe there should be a separate button apart from the L_C_D_, because you can't turn it on when the L_C_D_ is off. So how do you turn the thing on? There has to be a
  Richard Brown: No you just
  Mitchell Swanson: on button
  Richard Brown: tap
  Mitchell Swanson: on the remote,
  Richard Brown: I
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Richard Brown: think.
  William Richard: you
  Walter Pakele: Just
  William Richard: tap.
  Walter Pakele: tap
  Mitchell Swanson: huh?
  Walter Pakele: it.
  William Richard: Touch
  Mitchell Swanson: Tap
  William Richard: screen,
  Mitchell Swanson: the thing. Okay.
  William Richard: yeah then it's turn
  Mitchell Swanson: And then
  William Richard: turn off,
  Mitchell Swanson: the television
  William Richard: turn on.
  Mitchell Swanson: is on also, or just the remote?
  William Richard: No, just the remote. A television
  Mitchell Swanson: Sure.
  Richard Brown: But
  William Richard: don't have to be on, that one you can
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, it
  William Richard: press
  Walter Pakele: should
  William Richard: on,
  Walter Pakele: be in standby mode,
  William Richard: yeah stand-by,
  Walter Pakele: but
  William Richard: then press on remote, press on and then T_V_ should be available.
  Richard Brown: Yeah a yeah.
  William Richard: Or not.
  Richard Brown: I don't know whether it's handy to have a n a normal on button, a r just uh
  William Richard: Separate.
  Richard Brown: rubber uh for for T_V_, so you can turn it on and then you can choose the channel. Otherwise you I don't know whether or not that's
  Walter Pakele: A A A normal button
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: on the remote control,
  Richard Brown: yeah.
  Walter Pakele: or norm?
  Richard Brown: To turn it on. Of or you should put it in the L_C_D_ screen.
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, because uh when you touch the L_C_D_ screen when it is in standby mode, it should pop on.
  Richard Brown: Yeah, I have, yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay,
  Walter Pakele: Wh uh why
  Mitchell Swanson: well
  Walter Pakele: would it be a a need to have a normal button?
  Richard Brown: Well I I guess if you use the L_C_D_ screen, you first have to search where is the on button, then you uh you you then turn it, and then the T_V_ goes on. But if you have a normal on button on the on the remote, then you do the on, and then you search the channel which you want.
  William Richard: Yeah, but I think the re the remote control, if you press tap the screen, it always should jump to the screen which has the volume button, channel
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  William Richard: button, and of course of also the on and off button.
  Richard Brown: Oh right.
  Walter Pakele: I think it looks a lot more fancy if
  Richard Brown: Yeah,
  Walter Pakele: you use
  Richard Brown: I think
  Walter Pakele: uh
  Richard Brown: so too.
  Walter Pakele: if
  Richard Brown: Otherwise
  Walter Pakele: you don't have any
  Richard Brown: y
  Walter Pakele: buttons
  Richard Brown: wet e k
  Walter Pakele: on
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: the s on
  Mitchell Swanson: Yeah.
  William Richard: Yeah.
  Walter Pakele: on remote control.
  Mitchell Swanson: So actually we're going to create a a button-less uh
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: remote. No buttons at all. Okay, well that's might be a unique selling point, huh for
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Mitchell Swanson: a remote.
  Richard Brown: If we can afford
  Mitchell Swanson: Okay, well
  Richard Brown: it.
  William Richard: Yeah,
  Mitchell Swanson: I
  William Richard: if we
  Mitchell Swanson: guess
  William Richard: can afford
  Mitchell Swanson: we have to
  William Richard: it. Yeah.
  Mitchell Swanson: postpone
  Walter Pakele: Oh, okay
  Mitchell Swanson: further discussion to uh our next meeting, because we're running out of time. Um for now, we're having a lunch break,
  Walter Pakele: Oh.
  Mitchell Swanson: and then there will be uh half an hour for the uh next share of individual work. I will uh write uh minutes, if I can create them out of this. And
  Walter Pakele: Mm.
  Mitchell Swanson: uh put them in the the project documents uh folder. And here are the individual actions for the for the other roles. And of course specific instructions will be sent to you again by your uh personal coach.
  Richard Brown: Alright.
  Mitchell Swanson: Luckily as we are. Okay, well thank you very much,
  William Richard: Mm-hmm.
  Mitchell Swanson: for now, and uh
  Richard Brown: Lunch.
  Mitchell Swanson: have a nice lunch, huh?
  Walter Pakele: Okay. Food.
  Richard Brown: Should we put this back in our rooms, or uh?
  Walter Pakele: Yeah, think so.
  Richard Brown: Yeah.
Updated Content: Mitchell Swanson opened the meeting and then Walter Pakele discussed the interior workings of a remote along with his personal preferences for the appearance of a remote. Richard Brown discussed the technical functions of a remote and indicated that a user centered approach to designing the interface would be preferable. William Richard discussed the functional requirements of a remote and user tendencies in using remotes. William Richard indicated that an ideal remote would include an LCD screen, would not be too small in size, and is easy to use. Mitchell Swanson briefed the team on some new requirements and led them in a discussion in which the team discussed their target group and made decisions on the appearance and functions of their upcoming product.