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  Don Williams: Yeah, sh not quite.
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  Don Williams: You will uh
  Philip Thompson: Ah. Hello.
  William Raley: Hello. So, are you d what were j you guys discussing?
  Philip Thompson: No, just uh ask if if he
  Don Williams: Woah.
  Philip Thompson: could manage.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: Okay. Did you find anything new?
  Don Williams: Mm uh nothing special. Uh
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Philip Thompson: I have a lot
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  Philip Thompson: of
  Don Williams: the
  Philip Thompson: new information.
  Don Williams: for uh
  William Raley: Great,
  Don Williams: the trendy
  William Raley: great.
  Don Williams: uh stuff. A little
  William Raley: Come
  Don Williams: bit.
  William Raley: on.
  Don Williams: I uh now will show it.
  Philip Thompson: Hey, everything alright.
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, I had
  Philip Thompson: Did you
  Lawrence Scavone: just
  Philip Thompson: manage?
  Lawrence Scavone: a little bit of time so
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  Don Williams: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: I hope it's something
  William Raley: What's uh here.
  Lawrence Scavone: uh we can work with. But
  Don Williams: Yeah, I had the same. It just uh
  Philip Thompson: Do you have a lot of
  Don Williams: shuts
  Philip Thompson: new information?
  Don Williams: itself down and
  Lawrence Scavone: Hmm?
  Philip Thompson: Do you have a lot of new information?
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, I heard that there was a new uh component speech recognition component,
  Don Williams: Oh.
  Lawrence Scavone: which was
  Philip Thompson: That's true.
  William Raley: And there
  Lawrence Scavone: pretty
  William Raley: we are.
  Lawrence Scavone: much up to standard, so
  Philip Thompson: Huh.
  Lawrence Scavone: we might use that I put that in my drawing, but again I didn't not have that much time. So
  Philip Thompson: Alright. I have a lot
  William Raley: What
  Philip Thompson: of
  William Raley: the
  Philip Thompson: new
  William Raley: f oh, yeah
  Philip Thompson: information. I have
  William Raley: uh.
  Philip Thompson: a complete list of
  William Raley: It doesn't
  Philip Thompson: uh
  William Raley: do what I want
  Philip Thompson: everything that
  William Raley: it
  Philip Thompson: we can use, all the components that all av available.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay, that's just super. Let Don Williams just
  Philip Thompson: I still don't have any finance information, but at least we have a lot more to go on now
  Lawrence Scavone: uh
  William Raley: Okay fine, that's too bad.
  Lawrence Scavone: You need to
  William Raley: Yeah, I have
  Lawrence Scavone: start
  William Raley: to start
  Lawrence Scavone: it up first?
  William Raley: our
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay
  William Raley: 'Kay. Okay, go again. Well second phase, conceptual design. It's fine, everybody knows what we're talking about So.
  Don Williams: Yep.
  William Raley: take you past the minutes of last meeting again. Again you get your three presentate to see what you came up with. So too bad we don't have any finance information apparently. So that's too bad. So then we'll just have to d uh have to go on, you know, the information that we have to make the make final decisions on uh on a conceptual design. So Here we go. Anyway, last w last w what discussed last time, you all remember that, that we have to keep the electronics size in mind. Same goes for you. We have to have an easy design with big buttons which are durable and there are people actually spen willing to spend money to do to get more features and uh among those features L_C_D_ screen and voice recognition are very popular. So we have to make a move on that area, I guess. S especially s when when the new uh component is applicable in our uh product, we'll be fine. Anyways, well teletext wasn't important and that's what I took. And the consumer, yeah, we aim for young consumers, so that's fine. And well actually we yeah, we did need some more data on finances, but w yeah we still don't have that apparently.
  Don Williams: Mm uh-huh.
  William Raley: That's too bad. Yeah, we need to im de we are going to implement the beep and the flash thing to recover your remote. So one of these interchangeable covers apparently which will make it a more fashionable product. So anyway. Guess we'll have to do this after the after the you give your presentations. So I'll just close this one now, and let's uh let's see,
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay,
  Don Williams: I
  Lawrence Scavone: what
  Don Williams: bet
  Lawrence Scavone: t
  William Raley: We have a lot to tell. You had a lot to go on. So uh how
  Philip Thompson: Yep,
  William Raley: about
  Philip Thompson: that's
  William Raley: you
  Philip Thompson: right.
  William Raley: go first.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay, yeah.
  Don Williams: Oh okay.
  Philip Thompson: Let's see where my presentation is. Okay, um this I mentioned before. Every feature for our remote control needs to have their own operating electronic devices. We need to take care of that. Then warning, uh there has to be a chip in our remote control. And the chip requirements uh needed for a normal button uh is just a simple chip, uh scroll-wheel, and L_C_D_ is an advanced. Of course this is more expensive than this. So we have to decide on that in a minute.
  William Raley: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: The available uh components for energy are, we have a basic battery, a hand an uh dynamo, like in uh old torches. We have a kin uh kinetic provision, then you have to shake the remote control to get the energy. And we have solar cells. I suggest that we uh decide on that one uh immediately. Then I have all lists. So My personal
  Don Williams: Um
  Philip Thompson: uh fav favourite is the kinetic provision because uh
  William Raley: Does it provide
  Philip Thompson: I ha
  William Raley: enough energy?
  Philip Thompson: I think so, yes.
  William Raley: Also if if we were choose the the L_C_D_ option,
  Philip Thompson: Yes.
  William Raley: would it give enough energy Okay,
  Philip Thompson: Yes.
  William Raley: that's the
  Philip Thompson: Because
  William Raley: just assume
  Philip Thompson: I had
  William Raley: it
  Philip Thompson: the
  William Raley: takes.
  Philip Thompson: information uh you take uh the remote control, you pick it up at least two times a day. So then it's already shaken and gives
  William Raley: Well,
  Philip Thompson: energy.
  William Raley: I'm not sure if it's
  Lawrence Scavone: Is
  William Raley: shaken
  Lawrence Scavone: that enough?
  William Raley: enough, because
  Lawrence Scavone: Because I don't really see people
  Philip Thompson: Or
  Lawrence Scavone: shaking their remote
  William Raley: No,
  Lawrence Scavone: control
  William Raley: I don't
  Lawrence Scavone: before
  William Raley: think so,
  Lawrence Scavone: using
  William Raley: because
  Lawrence Scavone: it.
  William Raley: uh watches can go on kinetic
  Philip Thompson: Think
  William Raley: energy because they move all the time. But I'm sure t I mean remotes lie
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: still I think like
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: ninety nine percent of the time. So I don't think that's a really good the other alternative were solar cells. I don't think that's applicable
  Philip Thompson: Other
  William Raley: because
  Philip Thompson: options are solar
  Lawrence Scavone: No.
  Philip Thompson: cells, hand dynamo and basic battery.
  William Raley: I thin
  Lawrence Scavone: And
  William Raley: why
  Lawrence Scavone: what
  William Raley: why
  Lawrence Scavone: does
  William Raley: shouldn't
  Lawrence Scavone: the
  William Raley: we
  Lawrence Scavone: hand
  William Raley: take a basic
  Lawrence Scavone: dynamo
  William Raley: battery?
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: oh,
  Don Williams: A
  Lawrence Scavone: sorry.
  Don Williams: rechargeable maybe.
  Philip Thompson: Only basic battery? Okay,
  William Raley: Why
  Philip Thompson: but
  William Raley: not?
  Philip Thompson: I think
  Don Williams: Re
  William Raley: I mean
  Philip Thompson: this
  William Raley: everybody
  Philip Thompson: is
  Don Williams: rechargeable
  Philip Thompson: not a r.
  William Raley: everybody
  Don Williams: basi
  William Raley: knows how to use that. It's it's common. So and it's available
  Philip Thompson: Yeah.
  William Raley: everywhere. So why sh
  Philip Thompson: Yeah,
  William Raley: mm
  Philip Thompson: but
  William Raley: I
  Philip Thompson: I think
  William Raley: think
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: this rules
  William Raley: better.
  Philip Thompson: out our unit our rechargeable unit. This is really a
  William Raley: Yeah,
  Philip Thompson: really
  William Raley: but
  Philip Thompson: basic
  William Raley: it's
  Philip Thompson: battery, a normal battery.
  William Raley: Yeah, uh
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh.
  William Raley: it wasn't it wasn't in the options,
  Philip Thompson: Huh?
  William Raley: a rechargeable m module actually.
  Philip Thompson: Okay, that's uh. Okay?
  William Raley: Okay yeah,
  Don Williams: Yep.
  William Raley: b you c of course you
  Don Williams: Basic.
  William Raley: could place re re-chargeable batteries. But that's up to the consumer himself. So
  Philip Thompson: Okay, but then we don't offer a re-chargement function. That's what it says.
  William Raley: Well, mm it's not in the list. So we cannot choose from it. So
  Philip Thompson: Exactly.
  William Raley: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: Alright.
  William Raley: will just
  Philip Thompson: Right.
  William Raley: take regular batteries.
  Philip Thompson: Yep.
  Don Williams: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: Next one is curving. Uh we can make a model that has one curve, two or three. And uh
  Lawrence Scavone: Curves being?
  Philip Thompson: uh th uh the shape. Of course uh the more
  Don Williams: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: Of
  Philip Thompson: curves
  Lawrence Scavone: the
  Philip Thompson: the more expensive.
  Lawrence Scavone: remote control
  Philip Thompson: Exactly.
  Don Williams: But
  Lawrence Scavone: itself,
  Philip Thompson: Yes.
  Lawrence Scavone: okay.
  Don Williams: But It
  Lawrence Scavone: I
  Don Williams: dep
  Lawrence Scavone: was thinking along the line of one curve. I'll show that in my design.
  Don Williams: But
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: Okay, we'll get back
  Lawrence Scavone: So
  William Raley: on that
  Lawrence Scavone: we'll
  William Raley: later.
  Lawrence Scavone: get
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: back to that.
  William Raley: Just
  Philip Thompson: Hmm. I think one
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: curve is uh
  William Raley: But
  Philip Thompson: fine.
  William Raley: what were the implications
  Don Williams: Depends
  William Raley: if you if
  Don Williams: on the
  William Raley: put
  Don Williams: user.
  William Raley: more curves it it's gets more expensive.
  Philip Thompson: More expensive.
  William Raley: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: More difficult
  William Raley: so I
  Philip Thompson: to
  William Raley: think
  Philip Thompson: make.
  William Raley: with with the extras that we had there it's two curves I suppose.
  Philip Thompson: Exactly.
  William Raley: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: And I believe even that the r the number of options we have on putting things in it uh goes down
  William Raley: Also decreases,
  Philip Thompson: with
  William Raley: okay.
  Philip Thompson: exactly. Material. I have to offer a plastic, rubber, wood or titanium. Uh if we choose plastic, we cannot choose solar cells for energy. If
  William Raley: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: we choose titanium, uh we cannot use more than one curve. But we don't
  William Raley: More
  Philip Thompson: have that
  William Raley: than
  Philip Thompson: so
  William Raley: one
  Philip Thompson: fast.
  William Raley: curve, uh yeah
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay,
  William Raley: okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: I t
  William Raley: We'll just go
  Lawrence Scavone: I'd
  William Raley: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: go for plastic because
  William Raley: 'Cause
  Lawrence Scavone: I
  William Raley: it
  Lawrence Scavone: have
  William Raley: yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: a
  William Raley: I'm
  Lawrence Scavone: couple
  William Raley: not sure.
  Lawrence Scavone: of curves in my
  Philip Thompson: Mm.
  Lawrence Scavone: design.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: Mm.
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, g let's
  William Raley: We'll discuss
  Lawrence Scavone: just
  William Raley: that
  Lawrence Scavone: get
  William Raley: later.
  Lawrence Scavone: back
  William Raley: Okay,
  Lawrence Scavone: to
  William Raley: we have
  Lawrence Scavone: that.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: so I think
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  William Raley: we can rule out um I'm not sure we can rule anything out. We'll do that
  Philip Thompson: No.
  William Raley: when y when you get your design.
  Philip Thompson: But I think wood is not an option either.
  Lawrence Scavone: No, wood's
  William Raley: No, wood
  Lawrence Scavone: not
  William Raley: i wood's
  Lawrence Scavone: an
  William Raley: not
  Lawrence Scavone: option.
  William Raley: an option.
  Lawrence Scavone: No.
  William Raley: Well
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  William Raley: it it's stylish, but we can yeah,
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: but you can
  Don Williams: No.
  William Raley: change your covers anyway.
  Philip Thompson: Okay. My personal thought was uh rubber because I had an email, I believe it was from you,
  William Raley: Yeah, is
  Philip Thompson: uh
  William Raley: it
  Philip Thompson: f
  William Raley: keep in
  Philip Thompson: against
  William Raley: mind that
  Philip Thompson: falling.
  William Raley: it it's it's uh it fal uh remote controls fall a lot on the ground. So you don't want it to break. So either have rubber edges
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: or a rubber remote control is
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  William Raley: very durable. But
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  Philip Thompson: Uh
  William Raley: Continue.
  Lawrence Scavone: but it doesn't
  Don Williams: No.
  Lawrence Scavone: have to be unbreakable, because we
  William Raley: Don't have to be un-breakable,
  Lawrence Scavone: do need
  William Raley: it's
  Lawrence Scavone: to keep
  William Raley: p it's
  Lawrence Scavone: selling
  William Raley: a
  Lawrence Scavone: these thing
  William Raley: it's not supposed to
  Philip Thompson: Mm.
  William Raley: ju yeah, break after one use.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: Yeah.
  William Raley: I mean
  Lawrence Scavone: well
  William Raley: it
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  William Raley: they they
  Lawrence Scavone: that's
  William Raley: fall a lot.
  Lawrence Scavone: definitely
  William Raley: So
  Lawrence Scavone: true.
  Philip Thompson: Mm. I think we have to decide on this anyway. Uh because if we make removeable covers, it has to be one of those mat materials. We have no more than this. So
  Lawrence Scavone: Because it well, ru will rubber actually protect the remote control itself? Because
  William Raley: Well,
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  William Raley: you have for if you if for example if you take hard plastic. If it falls it might crack. And rubber uh kind of
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah, but
  William Raley: softens
  Lawrence Scavone: then you buy
  William Raley: the fall.
  Lawrence Scavone: a new cover. But
  William Raley: I'm
  Lawrence Scavone: rubber
  William Raley: not sure if it's the it's the entire cover you change. Uh, it's
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  Don Williams: Are
  William Raley: could
  Don Williams: are
  William Raley: be.
  Don Williams: we focussi focussing
  William Raley: You know
  Don Williams: on on the
  William Raley: what, th we're focusing very much on the covers now.
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: we're going for the basic design. If we wanna expand our options, f be fashionable, then we can get changeable covers. But I think the basic
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: thing
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: let's just rule out wood for now and
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  William Raley: continue.
  Don Williams: Not that but are we focussing on the uh younger people or the elder people?
  William Raley: We're definitely focussing on the younger
  Don Williams: Younger,
  William Raley: people, 'cause
  Don Williams: okay.
  William Raley: that was
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: our
  Don Williams: that's okay.
  William Raley: main goal.
  Don Williams: Nah, that's
  Philip Thompson: Alright. Then I proceed, but I need to know after this meeting. So
  William Raley: Okay okay,
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  William Raley: we will.
  Philip Thompson: Interface, uh I have four things to offer, pu uh normal push-buttons of course. Um uh we have a lot of expertise on that one. We have a large history, our company, on
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Philip Thompson: push-buttons. Scroll-wheels, uh those can be pushed as well, although that is more expensive. Um liquid crystal colour display and um What is this? Okay, and if we use rubber, I already mentioned that, we can only use rubber buttons. So rubber can only match with rubber.
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Philip Thompson: Which one of those are we gonna use? Push-buttons, that's b uh I think
  William Raley: Evident.
  Philip Thompson: basic.
  William Raley: Yeah, o of course we're gonna use. But I didn't
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  Philip Thompson: Huh.
  Lawrence Scavone: of
  William Raley: I didn't
  Lawrence Scavone: cour
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: go on the thought of a scroll-wheel actually. I'm still deciding
  Philip Thompson: No.
  William Raley: on what what what could you use it for. Maybe
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: for
  Philip Thompson: think
  William Raley: volume
  Philip Thompson: the channels.
  William Raley: control. Channel, I think that would be annoying
  Philip Thompson: Oh.
  William Raley: because it might accidentally scroll onto another channel.
  Philip Thompson: Yeah.
  William Raley: I think a push-button for channel would be better. I mean it for volume control it's
  Philip Thompson: Huh?
  William Raley: it's a smoother
  Philip Thompson: Huh.
  William Raley: motion, you can just increase or decrease. But
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  William Raley: not
  Lawrence Scavone: but
  William Raley: sure.
  Lawrence Scavone: there
  William Raley: For
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  William Raley: channels
  Lawrence Scavone: a
  Philip Thompson: But
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  William Raley: will
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  William Raley: be good.
  Lawrence Scavone: really necessary 'cause a normal
  William Raley: I don't think so. I haven't I haven't
  Lawrence Scavone: push-button
  William Raley: taken it
  Lawrence Scavone: can
  William Raley: into
  Lawrence Scavone: do
  William Raley: consideration.
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  Philip Thompson: Huh?
  Lawrence Scavone: job.
  Philip Thompson: Oh.
  Don Williams: But
  Philip Thompson: Ah
  Don Williams: th
  Philip Thompson: so but
  Don Williams: the
  William Raley: I
  Philip Thompson: it
  William Raley: don't
  Philip Thompson: looks
  Don Williams: younger
  William Raley: think
  Philip Thompson: cool.
  William Raley: we really
  Don Williams: people
  William Raley: need one.
  Philip Thompson: Mm
  Don Williams: my
  Philip Thompson: no.
  Don Williams: investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit uh material
  Philip Thompson: Oh.
  Don Williams: that that
  Philip Thompson: Ah.
  Don Williams: is uh
  Philip Thompson: flashy
  Don Williams: spongy
  Philip Thompson: and yeah.
  Don Williams: and uh
  Philip Thompson: I think
  Don Williams: So
  Philip Thompson: would be cool, scroll-wheel. It's not that much uh if we take
  Don Williams: A
  Philip Thompson: a normal
  Don Williams: sc
  Philip Thompson: scroll-wheel without the pushing, then it's not expensive. We can do that.
  William Raley: But why
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  William Raley: do
  Lawrence Scavone: but
  Philip Thompson: Think.
  William Raley: we need
  Lawrence Scavone: why
  William Raley: it?
  Lawrence Scavone: would we use it?
  Philip Thompson: Ah we don't need it,
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: but it's uh it's
  William Raley: If we don't
  Philip Thompson: design
  William Raley: need it, why
  Philip Thompson: a design
  William Raley: put it in your
  Philip Thompson: thing.
  William Raley: why
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: put it
  Don Williams: you
  William Raley: in your
  Don Williams: get
  William Raley: in your if it's if it's not something people are looking for or is useful.
  Don Williams: No.
  Philip Thompson: I think they are looking for that. Of course we
  William Raley: Are
  Philip Thompson: have
  William Raley: they?
  Philip Thompson: uh a young target group. So they might find that
  Don Williams: Scroll-wheel?
  William Raley: Yeah, but
  Philip Thompson: attractive
  William Raley: if it's
  Don Williams: Uh
  Philip Thompson: in
  William Raley: if
  Don Williams: I don't
  Philip Thompson: a remote
  William Raley: it's
  Don Williams: know.
  William Raley: not
  Philip Thompson: con
  William Raley: useful, I don't think it I don't think it gives an extra
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: function
  Don Williams: that's it.
  William Raley: to the remote. Anyway
  Philip Thompson: Okay. So push-buttons we will use. Uh L_C_D_ screen?
  Lawrence Scavone: Perhaps. I
  Philip Thompson: Is that
  Lawrence Scavone: have
  William Raley: What
  Philip Thompson: s
  William Raley: you
  Lawrence Scavone: t
  William Raley: what
  Lawrence Scavone: I have
  William Raley: what'd you
  Lawrence Scavone: two
  William Raley: get on
  Lawrence Scavone: different
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: the L_C_D_ screen? Is it expensive? Does it
  Philip Thompson: chip in it. And that is more
  William Raley: And
  Philip Thompson: expensive.
  William Raley: how much more expensive is that?
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: Or
  Philip Thompson: have no idea. I have no absolute numbers.
  William Raley: No
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: absolute
  Philip Thompson: only have
  William Raley: numbers, but it's just more expensive and takes more room I suppose in your in your
  Philip Thompson: Yeah, but
  William Raley: design.
  Philip Thompson: I don't think room is really an issue.
  William Raley: Don't think it's an issue, okay. Oh let's go for let's say because it is uh very hot in n our target group I think, we should take it take it t to consideration to build an L_C_D_ screen in it.
  Lawrence Scavone: I have two designs, one including uh
  Don Williams: For the
  Lawrence Scavone: an
  Don Williams: future.
  Lawrence Scavone: L_C_D_ screen,
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: wh which is basically
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: the deluxe edition. And then I also have a standard edition, which wi we can also choose
  William Raley: Which basically
  Lawrence Scavone: to
  William Raley: has
  Lawrence Scavone: develop
  William Raley: the same functionality,
  Lawrence Scavone: too.
  William Raley: but
  Don Williams: Yep
  William Raley: lacks the L_C_D_ screen.
  Lawrence Scavone: Exactly.
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: But
  William Raley: We'll
  Lawrence Scavone: we'll
  William Raley: pick a we'll pick from uh we'll just combine everything later.
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm. Okay. Electronics, uh the first one is the chip. Uh that's no longer an option, it has to be an advanced one now. 'Cause we have the L_C_D_
  Lawrence Scavone: Yep.
  Philip Thompson: screen. Then we have an infrared sender, I think that's basic, we cannot do
  Lawrence Scavone: Basically,
  Philip Thompson: without.
  Don Williams: Yep.
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  Philip Thompson: Otherwise it's not s a remote
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Philip Thompson: control. And we have the sample sensor and speaker, the voice recognition thing. Are we gonna do that or not?
  William Raley: Once
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh,
  William Raley: again I was
  Lawrence Scavone: I
  William Raley: would
  Lawrence Scavone: got
  William Raley: ask you if it's expensive, but apparently you don't have any data.
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: So
  Philip Thompson: only have uh uh relative
  William Raley: Well what d what
  Philip Thompson: information.
  William Raley: was exact what you got on the on the
  Lawrence Scavone: I
  William Raley: new
  Lawrence Scavone: got
  William Raley: component?
  Lawrence Scavone: an email that it's relatively small.
  William Raley: That's small. So we can implement it.
  Lawrence Scavone: Yes, let
  William Raley: So
  Lawrence Scavone: Don Williams just
  William Raley: why why if it's small and we can imp why shouldn't we?
  Lawrence Scavone: Get back.
  Philip Thompson: Oh how did
  William Raley: And
  Philip Thompson: you
  William Raley: there's um
  Philip Thompson: That
  William Raley: get
  Philip Thompson: goes also
  William Raley: your mar
  Philip Thompson: for the scroll-wheel,
  William Raley: marketing
  Philip Thompson: by
  William Raley: report?
  Philip Thompson: the way.
  William Raley: What was uh the last number of how many people were interested in voice recognition?
  Don Williams: Um uh
  William Raley: Although it's hard for different countries of course.
  Don Williams: The most of them um
  William Raley: But you have to programme it yourself, I suppose, with your own voice.
  Don Williams: Um uh more than uh sixty percent.
  William Raley: More than sixty percent of the people would like
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: voice recognition.
  Don Williams: Mean of uh seventy percent I think.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Don Williams: Uh I'm I have to look it up.
  William Raley: If it's small, if it's fits,
  Philip Thompson: Yeah.
  William Raley: if if people like it, why not?
  Philip Thompson: Hmm. But don't
  William Raley: So
  Philip Thompson: we have any w uh information about scroll-wheel? Scroll-wheel. If people
  Don Williams: No.
  Philip Thompson: would like that.
  Don Williams: No,
  Philip Thompson: That's strange, because that's the same
  Don Williams: only
  Philip Thompson: story. It's it's not necessary
  Don Williams: Ah. I don't
  Philip Thompson: like
  Don Williams: know.
  Philip Thompson: an L_C_D_, but it's just it adds something to the
  William Raley: Yeah, but we got some data
  Philip Thompson: design.
  William Raley: on people that actually are int are interested in that, and I
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: don't think a scroll-wheel offers new functionality,
  Don Williams: On the most
  William Raley: whereas
  Don Williams: spee
  Philip Thompson: No.
  William Raley: speech recognition and L_C_D_ screen
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: do offer new functionality in
  Philip Thompson: Oh
  William Raley: your
  Philip Thompson: that's
  William Raley: product.
  Philip Thompson: r But I think uh we now already have to uh implement uh an advanced chip.
  William Raley: Uh I think
  Philip Thompson: So
  William Raley: so, because
  Philip Thompson: it's
  William Raley: if
  Philip Thompson: m
  William Raley: I
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: think we're
  Don Williams: for
  William Raley: specially
  Don Williams: the future.
  William Raley: w if you're going maybe uh if you have the two editions you wanna wanna give out, probably you have one with uh with speech recognition and
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, they b they basically can have speech recognition. I mainly focused
  William Raley: Um
  Lawrence Scavone: on the L_C_D_ uh aspect.
  William Raley: Yeah, hold on a minute. Were were you we're finished? Or
  Philip Thompson: No, but that's that's okay.
  William Raley: Oh. Because if there's something that
  Lawrence Scavone: 'Cause you wanted to see them,
  Philip Thompson: There
  William Raley: 'Cause
  Lawrence Scavone: right?
  Philip Thompson: is
  William Raley: have
  Philip Thompson: still
  William Raley: did
  Philip Thompson: time.
  William Raley: you have all the materials? Or everything
  Philip Thompson: Yes,
  William Raley: that you
  Philip Thompson: this
  William Raley: desc
  Philip Thompson: was uh the last M_S_. I have
  William Raley: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: a clear
  William Raley: so
  Philip Thompson: picture.
  William Raley: uh just just go for design for now. Just m have a seat for a second. Uh We'll combine everything
  Lawrence Scavone: So this
  William Raley: after
  Lawrence Scavone: is basically
  William Raley: this.
  Lawrence Scavone: the deluxe edition.
  William Raley: Why is
  Lawrence Scavone: I
  William Raley: it
  Lawrence Scavone: j
  William Raley: s why is it squared?
  Lawrence Scavone: Why is it square?
  William Raley: Why did you pick square? Or
  Lawrence Scavone: It
  William Raley: uh not
  Lawrence Scavone: 'cause it's
  William Raley: square,
  Lawrence Scavone: designy.
  William Raley: but why is it yeah, sharp
  Lawrence Scavone: It's basically
  William Raley: corners.
  Lawrence Scavone: it has some futuristic Potentially,
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: yeah. I don't really know. But I just
  Don Williams: People
  Lawrence Scavone: thought that
  William Raley: Looks
  Lawrence Scavone: uh
  William Raley: like
  Lawrence Scavone: in
  William Raley: a Star Trek
  Lawrence Scavone: normal
  William Raley: phaser.
  Lawrence Scavone: remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that, and this is something new, this is something different, something fresh.
  William Raley: It's true.
  Lawrence Scavone: And basically what you
  Don Williams: Ri
  Lawrence Scavone: can see here is that it has a little, yeah, let's say gap which you can put
  William Raley: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: your finger
  William Raley: Or
  Lawrence Scavone: in.
  William Raley: Okay, so just yeah,
  Don Williams: So
  William Raley: you
  Don Williams: only
  William Raley: can rest
  Don Williams: r
  Lawrence Scavone: So
  William Raley: it on
  Don Williams: right-handed.
  Lawrence Scavone: you
  William Raley: your
  Lawrence Scavone: can
  William Raley: finger.
  Lawrence Scavone: you can
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: hold it really comfortable, that's
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Don Williams: But
  Lawrence Scavone: basically
  Don Williams: it
  Lawrence Scavone: the
  Don Williams: but
  Lawrence Scavone: idea.
  Don Williams: it's only right-handed then. Not
  Lawrence Scavone: Or
  William Raley: No,
  Don Williams: for
  Lawrence Scavone: left
  Don Williams: the left.
  Lawrence Scavone: hand.
  William Raley: it
  Don Williams: Or
  William Raley: just
  Lawrence Scavone: I doesn't
  William Raley: uh it's
  Lawrence Scavone: really matter.
  William Raley: a curve inside a thing.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: So
  Lawrence Scavone: As you can
  Don Williams: Where?
  Lawrence Scavone: see, this is the
  Don Williams: Wher
  William Raley: It's on the back.
  Lawrence Scavone: remote control
  Don Williams: Oh in the back, okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: Uh you can't really see
  Don Williams: Oh
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  Don Williams: yeah
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  Don Williams: yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: well, but this is the L_C_D_ screen.
  Don Williams: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: So just imagine it goes that way.
  William Raley: Yeah,
  Don Williams: Oh
  William Raley: I think it's
  Don Williams: yeah
  William Raley: okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: Then
  Don Williams: yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: you can
  Don Williams: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: see you can hold
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  Don Williams: Yeah yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: in your left or in your right hand. And
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: I also made
  Don Williams: I
  Lawrence Scavone: a
  Don Williams: thought it
  Lawrence Scavone: quick image, 'cause I did not have that much time, of the standard edition which has basically the keys are pretty much the same.
  William Raley: Keys are probably the n the number keys, I suppose.
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah. I had to do this really fast. So excuse Don Williams for the uh inconvenience
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: here, but as you can see, the keys moved.
  William Raley: Well, you can work on the actual concept or actual
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah.
  William Raley: design later with him.
  Lawrence Scavone: So these
  William Raley: But
  Lawrence Scavone: are basically the two types we have. So if we were to select the L_C_D_ screen, the transmitter here, you can see the light i
  William Raley: Well, I think what you have to keep in mind is that um you're moving the the the number keys from the top. Uh in the the simple design you have them at a top, and the uh complex design you have them at the bottom. So it would that would give us a totally different design. So which actually making a whole different product instead of two different models. I think it would be very expensive to produce two whole different products.
  Lawrence Scavone: Well we can
  William Raley: So
  Lawrence Scavone: shift that. But normally, as you can see there, we put the uh number buttons right on top. Whereas because we had the L_C_D_ screen here, we had to move them downward, so
  William Raley: Yeah, uh
  Lawrence Scavone: what
  William Raley: or
  Lawrence Scavone: you could say
  William Raley: for
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  William Raley: example,
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  William Raley: why did you pick the mm the numbers uh all the way below, and the and the channels and volume
  Lawrence Scavone: Because
  William Raley: control
  Don Williams: Well
  Lawrence Scavone: these are basically
  Don Williams: it it's
  Lawrence Scavone: the functions
  Don Williams: yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: you use the most. So if you hold it in your hand like this, you put your finger in the gap, this is the m most easy part.
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: Bit.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm,
  Lawrence Scavone: For zapping,
  William Raley: That's
  Philip Thompson: I agree.
  William Raley: fine.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: cau
  William Raley: That's
  Lawrence Scavone: because
  William Raley: fine.
  Lawrence Scavone: people are zapping
  William Raley: Just as long
  Lawrence Scavone: most
  William Raley: as you
  Lawrence Scavone: of the time.
  William Raley: tak took it into consideration what people would prefer. Uh, okay if
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: you all agree, I'm fine with it. But
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay. So that's pretty much ha which I had in mind. As you can see here, this can be spaced for extra keys, which is the design
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: thingys.
  Don Williams: No it maybe it's better to look uh what the people want.
  William Raley: Yeah,
  Don Williams: So I
  William Raley: I
  Don Williams: can
  William Raley: think
  Don Williams: uh
  William Raley: we'll
  Don Williams: show my uh investigation.
  William Raley: I think we're going towards the deluxe edition anyway, because that seems
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: to be
  Don Williams: maybe
  William Raley: what the
  Don Williams: it's
  William Raley: people
  Don Williams: better.
  William Raley: want. But let's see what's
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah.
  William Raley: what they want
  Don Williams: Especially
  William Raley: now.
  Don Williams: for young people.
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Don Williams: Um where is that? Where is th
  William Raley: That's mine.
  Don Williams: Oh. Uh
  William Raley: No, you should send it to the f to the folder first.
  Don Williams: Yeah. Mm
  William Raley: Okay
  Don Williams: I forgot
  William Raley: um,
  Don Williams: that.
  William Raley: let's just assume we go to forty one.
  Don Williams: Okay, now it must be there. Yeah, here it is. Oh yeah.
  Don Williams: Okay, uh the investigation turns out that the most appear uh people want um um uh look and feel likes is uh uh the s the same as before, but it must be w a little bit fancier than uh the the look of it. Um the second important thing is um the it must be uh technol technological uh innova vative. So that's the L_C_D_ screen is perfect, I think, and not uh
  Lawrence Scavone: Speech recognition.
  Don Williams: Yeah, tha that's uh very important. And a third thing is um yeah, it's uh should be easy to use, so not not too much bu buttons and uh channel selection. I think that's uh what you showed is uh perfect. And what the pe young people want is uh in Paris and and in Milan uh it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are uh are trendy.
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Don Williams: Th they you s you see it in the clothes and everything. And um the contrast uh of it, it must uh the the buttons must a little bit spongy material. So uh
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Don Williams: rubber, I think uh th that's
  Philip Thompson: No.
  Don Williams: the best.
  William Raley: Mm-hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: Then
  Philip Thompson: Yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: rubber
  Philip Thompson: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: would
  Philip Thompson: I agree.
  Lawrence Scavone: be the best as a material
  Don Williams: No.
  Lawrence Scavone: indeed.
  William Raley: I think so.
  Don Williams: So
  Lawrence Scavone: If
  Don Williams: we
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  Don Williams: are
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  Don Williams: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: the uh
  Don Williams: we were focussing uh
  Philip Thompson: Okay,
  Don Williams: on the
  Philip Thompson: agreement.
  Don Williams: younger people.
  William Raley: Okay.
  Don Williams: So the elder, yeah, they wanted a little bit of wood in it and uh that's uh th that's not uh important
  William Raley: Okay,
  Don Williams: now.
  William Raley: so we're definitely
  Lawrence Scavone: It could
  William Raley: going
  Lawrence Scavone: be
  William Raley: for
  Lawrence Scavone: a c
  William Raley: rubber.
  Lawrence Scavone: it could be a
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: cover. But it's not.
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: Our focus
  William Raley: Let's just
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  Don Williams: but
  William Raley: go
  Lawrence Scavone: the young audience. So let's
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: stick to that.
  William Raley: Uh-huh.
  Don Williams: 'Cause uh n I I I I thought uh it makes a young uh classic remote with uh
  William Raley: Nah, I think we're in this case you're losing the the focus on the
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: young group, because
  Don Williams: that's
  William Raley: we're
  Don Williams: why I I d
  William Raley: that's what
  Don Williams: uh
  William Raley: we're focussing on. So I think
  Don Williams: decided
  William Raley: the spongy feel gives us rubber.
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  Don Williams: With a fruit uh
  William Raley: Yeah, w th apparently
  Don Williams: cover ov or something
  William Raley: Yeah,
  Don Williams: like that. Uh
  William Raley: apparently yeah, maybe also yeah, I tend to disagree with with uh with a sharp form. I suppose it basi if you're uh saying fruits and vegetables, maybe it's supposed to be a little little
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  William Raley: more round.
  Don Williams: in in form of an uh vegetable or an uh fruit,
  William Raley: Yeah, for exa
  Don Williams: maybe.
  William Raley: maybe like
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  William Raley: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: but
  William Raley: like
  Lawrence Scavone: that's
  William Raley: a
  Lawrence Scavone: just
  William Raley: pear
  Don Williams: And
  William Raley: or
  Lawrence Scavone: more
  William Raley: something.
  Lawrence Scavone: a se a seasonal,
  Don Williams: Oh, where is your
  Lawrence Scavone: a trend thing.
  Philip Thompson: That's true.
  William Raley: That's what
  Lawrence Scavone: The
  William Raley: we're doing.
  Lawrence Scavone: idea now is is
  Don Williams: A
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  Don Williams: trendy
  Lawrence Scavone: that you can uh put a cover on it, for example, with fruit, like a shape
  William Raley: Mm.
  Lawrence Scavone: or whatever.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: I think shape
  Lawrence Scavone: But
  William Raley: is
  Lawrence Scavone: not
  William Raley: is important,
  Don Williams: Here he
  Lawrence Scavone: 'cause
  William Raley: because
  Lawrence Scavone: a
  Don Williams: here
  Lawrence Scavone: n next
  Don Williams: you can
  William Raley: they s
  Lawrence Scavone: year
  Don Williams: put
  William Raley: they
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  Don Williams: a
  William Raley: really
  Lawrence Scavone: will it'll
  William Raley: extend.
  Lawrence Scavone: be something
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: completely different.
  Philip Thompson: Oh,
  Lawrence Scavone: And
  Philip Thompson: that's
  Lawrence Scavone: then
  Philip Thompson: true.
  Lawrence Scavone: you have your apple-shaped remote control, which is not trendy anymore. So
  William Raley: Yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: I think
  William Raley: but now
  Lawrence Scavone: that's
  William Raley: you have
  Lawrence Scavone: more
  William Raley: your
  Lawrence Scavone: something
  William Raley: your
  Lawrence Scavone: you can
  William Raley: like
  Lawrence Scavone: focus
  William Raley: your Star Trek phaser thing shaped control. So I I th
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, you
  William Raley: the
  Lawrence Scavone: can
  William Raley: edges
  Lawrence Scavone: s
  Don Williams: Uh maybe
  William Raley: are really
  Don Williams: it
  William Raley: really sharp. I'm
  Lawrence Scavone: What
  William Raley: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: you
  William Raley: not
  Lawrence Scavone: can
  William Raley: su
  Lawrence Scavone: do is smooth the edges indeed. But that will bring extra c expenses.
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: Or maybe just make it make
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: it up into into a low a smooth curve instead of just less
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: sharp twist
  Don Williams: All
  William Raley: on the outside.
  Don Williams: uh veg uh fruit and vegetables are round. So it's
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  Don Williams: better
  William Raley: I think I think there needs to be a little I think it's too too sharp. The edges are too sharp. The
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: bottom is fine of course if it's square. But maybe just th make uh the top a little round it off on the sides. So
  Philip Thompson: But I think,
  William Raley: I mean
  Philip Thompson: according
  William Raley: y
  Philip Thompson: to my information, this would be two curves.
  William Raley: That
  Don Williams: Two?
  William Raley: would
  Philip Thompson: We
  William Raley: be
  Philip Thompson: have
  William Raley: two
  Philip Thompson: one
  William Raley: curves.
  Philip Thompson: left and one right, and that disables what was it again?
  Don Williams: But
  Philip Thompson: It's
  Don Williams: it
  Philip Thompson: some it's something that we cannot do then.
  William Raley: One cur you could also make the curve go through of course. But that would make
  Lawrence Scavone: Well
  William Raley: make the top round.
  Philip Thompson: Okay, that's not a problem.
  Lawrence Scavone: For the
  Philip Thompson: That's
  Lawrence Scavone: gap.
  Philip Thompson: only for the titanium. We don't have.
  Don Williams: But it's that that's for
  Lawrence Scavone: And we
  Don Williams: the
  Lawrence Scavone: could
  Don Williams: comfort.
  Lawrence Scavone: have one here.
  Don Williams: It's it's not for the trendy thing of it.
  Lawrence Scavone: No, no no no no. What I'm just 'cause you mentioned that more curves the more expensive, so I'm just
  Don Williams: Yeah?
  Lawrence Scavone: taking that
  Don Williams: Okay,
  Lawrence Scavone: into account.
  Philip Thompson: Yes.
  Don Williams: yeah.
  William Raley: But let's see, titanium would give us only one
  Philip Thompson: Then
  William Raley: curve.
  Philip Thompson: w yeah, but we don't
  William Raley: So but
  Philip Thompson: have
  William Raley: we're
  Philip Thompson: that.
  William Raley: not
  Philip Thompson: So
  William Raley: d we're
  Philip Thompson: we have
  William Raley: not
  Don Williams: So
  William Raley: using
  Don Williams: the
  William Raley: titanium.
  Don Williams: no.
  Philip Thompson: We have
  Lawrence Scavone: Well
  Philip Thompson: no.
  Lawrence Scavone: we picked rubber, right?
  William Raley: Right, we did. So
  Philip Thompson: But they
  Don Williams: We
  Philip Thompson: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: So basically
  Don Williams: m
  Lawrence Scavone: what we can do is m
  William Raley: Just doodle
  Lawrence Scavone: make
  William Raley: something
  Lawrence Scavone: these
  Don Williams: form.
  William Raley: on the board on
  Lawrence Scavone: edges
  William Raley: the left.
  Lawrence Scavone: a little bit less sharp. But the problem then is that it will start to resemble m the remote controls as we have them today. We were looking at something fresh, something trendy
  William Raley: Well actually, we're setting ourselves apart from by technology alone actually. So that let's see what you're doing.
  Philip Thompson: They th these wha are what they call the curves. This side,
  William Raley: Oh,
  Philip Thompson: this
  William Raley: okay.
  Philip Thompson: side, this is
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: how
  William Raley: I don't
  Philip Thompson: they count.
  William Raley: think like that. Not not really the curves on the on the side of the
  Philip Thompson: No
  William Raley: remote.
  Philip Thompson: no. This is what they uh what they mean.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: Okay, that's not
  Lawrence Scavone: so
  Philip Thompson: really
  Lawrence Scavone: that's basically
  William Raley: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: a
  William Raley: now
  Philip Thompson: good.
  Lawrence Scavone: silly.
  William Raley: I uh of course now I understand why they have more uh like um Why the curves um decrease the the um the size the electronics that can be inside. So Okay. I don't think the outside would be called as a curve really.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: It's like this.
  William Raley: I think it's for all the basic well, looking from the side anyway. Well, if you see what I have to come up with some designs fast anyway. So
  Don Williams: But you can
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Don Williams: make uh if you want to use a fruit in uh in uh
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: But isn't
  Don Williams: Uh
  Lawrence Scavone: the f the fruit like a cover thing, because we
  William Raley: Well, you shouldn't focus on the mostly
  Don Williams: Hey,
  William Raley: on the covers,
  Don Williams: you
  William Raley: because lot of things we came up with, shouldn't be too really too much shouldn't
  Don Williams: You
  William Raley: be
  Don Williams: can
  William Raley: too
  Don Williams: make
  William Raley: focussed
  Don Williams: it like
  William Raley: on the covers because
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: No,
  William Raley: it's kind
  Don Williams: Like
  Lawrence Scavone: but
  William Raley: of an
  Don Williams: this.
  William Raley: idea of our own, but we're not sure if
  Lawrence Scavone: But
  William Raley: we can
  Lawrence Scavone: if
  William Raley: actually
  Lawrence Scavone: we put that
  William Raley: make
  Lawrence Scavone: directly
  William Raley: that.
  Lawrence Scavone: into the design, we limit ourselves extremely. Because it that's just for one
  William Raley: That's
  Lawrence Scavone: seasonal
  William Raley: the one
  Don Williams: Well
  William Raley: thing I'm also
  Lawrence Scavone: trend.
  William Raley: afraid of with this one because it
  Don Williams: Oh.
  William Raley: the edges are really um they might
  Don Williams: As
  William Raley: stick
  Don Williams: a
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Don Williams: example.
  William Raley: out on the on the side
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: for example. If you have
  Don Williams: I
  William Raley: a
  Don Williams: d
  William Raley: basic design, a little m a little smaller on the on the s on the edges, you could put more covers on it, y one one with square or um sharp corners
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay,
  William Raley: if you want to.
  Lawrence Scavone: so that's
  William Raley: So
  Lawrence Scavone: well, that's
  William Raley: M
  Lawrence Scavone: probabl,
  William Raley: just round it off a little, I guess, because
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: so we have more options
  Lawrence Scavone: you'd just
  William Raley: I suppose.
  Lawrence Scavone: like it to go a little bit more like this.
  William Raley: I think so because it looks leaner and
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  William Raley: we should just go with that. Anyway,
  Don Williams: Hmm.
  William Raley: you have all the time in the world to make to make the final design in a minute with him. So So we decided on what what did you guys wanna know again because this is um anyway, I'll fire up my thing. So so
  Lawrence Scavone: Did
  William Raley: we come
  Lawrence Scavone: you
  William Raley: to a decision.
  Lawrence Scavone: present e everything you wanted to?
  Philip Thompson: Yep.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: So I can uh qui
  William Raley: Uh
  Philip Thompson: oh. I can quickly
  William Raley: what
  Philip Thompson: make a conclusion
  William Raley: the
  Philip Thompson: of what we have decided so far.
  Lawrence Scavone: Uh we still need to decide on a couple of things you
  William Raley: Ah.
  Lawrence Scavone: you needed to know.
  William Raley: Yeah. Okay, anyway. Uh energy, we choose regular regular batteries.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: The chip is advanced because we have the advanced features. The case, it will be the material will be rubber, suppose. Wouldn't the b the design we talked about. Uh user interface, type. Well I think we took all the components separately what we want. Um let's see um supplements. I'm not sure what they mean by that. Anyway, um apparently you guys, you should work together on the final design, both on internal and external design. So Yeah, you should you should probably find out how the product will fall into the market, how uh
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: what's gonna happen with the final design as we have it now. So
  Don Williams: Yeah
  William Raley: Yeah, of course you've got your specific instruction as usual. So
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: Wanna spend some more um I think we're in a pretty much in agreement actually, which
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: is good. So
  Lawrence Scavone: Are we all in agreement about the, well, the primary structure of the of my design?
  William Raley: Lef let's
  Lawrence Scavone: Except for
  William Raley: see,
  Lawrence Scavone: the
  William Raley: where
  Lawrence Scavone: edges.
  William Raley: the pen go? Here.
  Lawrence Scavone: Like the keys there.
  William Raley: Yeah uh open your thing again. Let's see what if you can come up with anything new. Um I'll just do a next one. So what would give us your ne your design would be the lights would be on top, right? Uh one
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah.
  William Raley: on each one on each side.
  Lawrence Scavone: To create a kind of disco effect when you That was basically
  William Raley: Is
  Lawrence Scavone: what
  William Raley: it
  Lawrence Scavone: w
  William Raley: is it the lights for for finding the finding remote or lights that it
  Lawrence Scavone: Light for
  William Raley: that
  Lawrence Scavone: the finding of the remote. We can also use one light for showing that the signal is being sent. But
  William Raley: Yeah, I think that should just be a simple LED or something. Like that that's not that important of course. It just like a matter of a a beep if you pre that you just know that that there's context. So I don't think that's super important. But Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: So we have the teletext we have here, we have the mute.
  William Raley: Uh sh
  Lawrence Scavone: L_C_D_ screen. This
  William Raley: Oh.
  Lawrence Scavone: is the on off button.
  Don Williams: And speech w recognition. Are we
  Lawrence Scavone: Speech recognition, I
  Don Williams: We
  Lawrence Scavone: where did I imagine. I did that pretty
  Don Williams: Little
  Lawrence Scavone: much over
  Don Williams: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: here,
  Don Williams: voice
  Lawrence Scavone: so that you could
  Don Williams: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: use it like this
  Don Williams: Record and a uh
  Lawrence Scavone: and
  Don Williams: no.
  Lawrence Scavone: speak to it. Then you have the uh extra keys for teletext, mute, two buttons which can be pretty much anything or nothing. We can also just not use them.
  William Raley: Let's see, I'll just make
  Lawrence Scavone: Main controls and a key-pad.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: One light here. And just make it red now. But it could be any colour. So
  Lawrence Scavone: Will be fine.
  William Raley: Okay, whatever. Fine, anyway. What do we have here? M I'll make it um are we gonna use square buttons or round ones actually? Personally I would prefer round ones.
  Philip Thompson: Don Williams too.
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah, but that
  Don Williams: Form
  Lawrence Scavone: would this
  Don Williams: of fruit.
  Lawrence Scavone: was just in
  Don Williams: It's
  Lawrence Scavone: the design.
  Don Williams: better.
  Lawrence Scavone: Because if you
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: Yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: I had
  William Raley: for
  Lawrence Scavone: a square design. So I had
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: square buttons. But in that case the round buttons would be
  William Raley: Okay,
  Lawrence Scavone: more appropriate.
  William Raley: I assume it for so we take a r take a round power button right here. Whatever. Uh back to black. Uh not too big though. See this would be good. Um let's see. Are these for any extra controls?
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah. The
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: left one is teletext and the right one is mute. And these two buttons are or not
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: necessary or
  William Raley: If we go for for round buttons in general, do we want to the menu key in the middle to be round? For example, if you let's see, put it this here. I think we'll go with the triangles that Come on.
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah, the triangles would be best indeed.
  William Raley: Triangles are good. Yeah, they're a little too big now. But Anyway, okay. So do you want for example a round button in the middle or square one?
  Lawrence Scavone: I personally think that a round b
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: button looks bit silly, but
  William Raley: I'm
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: not sure uh, I just just came up with it. This aligns nicely. So Okay. We'll just take the take the round button, suppose. Uh oh the square button, sorry.
  Lawrence Scavone: Does everybody agree on that?
  Don Williams: Yep.
  William Raley: I suppose
  Philip Thompson: I would prefer
  William Raley: so.
  Philip Thompson: round. But doesn't
  Lawrence Scavone: You
  Philip Thompson: matter,
  Lawrence Scavone: prefer a round?
  Philip Thompson: doesn't matter.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  William Raley: Okay.
  Philip Thompson: That's not a big deal, think.
  William Raley: So there's our numbers. Think we need an extra button here of course for yeah, like you had for the higher numbers. And you could include a button here for the mute, I suppose. For something else, just to
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  William Raley: mirror
  Lawrence Scavone: you can.
  William Raley: mirror
  Lawrence Scavone: But it
  William Raley: the effect
  Lawrence Scavone: but it's not
  William Raley: with this.
  Lawrence Scavone: necessary, becau
  William Raley: That's not necessary because it you can take this away, but there it looks like there's a hole there, just to mirror the effect. Okay, so we have
  Lawrence Scavone: We could
  William Raley: a
  Lawrence Scavone: put
  William Raley: few
  Lawrence Scavone: our logo there.
  William Raley: Nah, I think it it would be nice to put the logo here, for example, if you have some buttons here. We could put a logo here because it's very
  Don Williams: And what
  William Raley: always
  Don Williams: about
  William Raley: in your field of vision. If you're watching
  Don Williams: Oh.
  William Raley: it, the L_C_D_ screen, blah blah.
  Don Williams: What about a button for your uh favourite channel?
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh that
  William Raley: Well
  Lawrence Scavone: could
  William Raley: we could
  Lawrence Scavone: be
  William Raley: we
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  William Raley: could include
  Lawrence Scavone: b
  William Raley: either
  Don Williams: Uh
  William Raley: here
  Don Williams: yeah. With the extra controls.
  William Raley: or here,
  Don Williams: Uh
  William Raley: for example. But you think
  Lawrence Scavone: Well
  William Raley: here
  Don Williams: Uh
  Lawrence Scavone: now
  William Raley: or here?
  Don Williams: one
  Lawrence Scavone: it's getting
  Don Williams: one set
  Lawrence Scavone: a little bit too crowded up
  William Raley: I know.
  Lawrence Scavone: there. So
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: Is your
  Don Williams: up uh
  Lawrence Scavone: So it can basically be the button down below or one of the four buttons
  William Raley: No, we could
  Lawrence Scavone: up there.
  William Raley: put
  Lawrence Scavone: Because
  William Raley: this one as favourite
  Don Williams: One of
  William Raley: channel
  Don Williams: the four.
  William Raley: for exam
  Don Williams: Uh, it's better than, I think.
  William Raley: What
  Lawrence Scavone: One
  William Raley: are these
  Lawrence Scavone: of
  William Raley: for?
  Lawrence Scavone: the four
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: is
  Don Williams: It's a favourite
  Lawrence Scavone: better, I
  Don Williams: channel.
  Lawrence Scavone: suppose.
  William Raley: What?
  Don Williams: What? Nee, uh one of the four uh
  Lawrence Scavone: Because it's
  Don Williams: It's
  Lawrence Scavone: a little
  Don Williams: better
  Lawrence Scavone: bit
  Don Williams: th
  Lawrence Scavone: confusing to have twelve buttons down there, because you're only accustomed to eleven, I'd say.
  William Raley: You're accustomed to eleven? My uh okay, have it your way. I mean, think this looks rather
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh, we still need
  William Raley: like
  Lawrence Scavone: an okay
  William Raley: like there's something
  Lawrence Scavone: button.
  William Raley: missing for example. I mean why wouldn't you include a 'cause there is a um a piece of electronics under there anyway. So why not
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: give it a function.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: Let's say I mean could be anything.
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, you could
  William Raley: But
  Lawrence Scavone: also
  William Raley: th
  Lawrence Scavone: shift the two buttons to be nicely aligned.
  William Raley: No, I don't think because this is a zero. But you want
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: zero to be mis-aligned with the rest. Anyway, so this is the basic design, we wanna have um on and off what are we missing?
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh,
  William Raley: If
  Lawrence Scavone: we're
  William Raley: it
  Lawrence Scavone: pretty
  William Raley: looks
  Lawrence Scavone: much missing
  William Raley: um
  Lawrence Scavone: an okay button, but we have a button up there
  William Raley: Okay,
  Lawrence Scavone: which is still
  William Raley: so
  Lawrence Scavone: free.
  William Raley: we want the
  Lawrence Scavone: So
  William Raley: remote to be the s the side view actually, what I'm gonna draw. So Um probably think you want the curve to be here. So have your finger under here like this,
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  William Raley: I suppose?
  Lawrence Scavone: pretty much.
  William Raley: Okay. Just gonna be sh
  Don Williams: Hmm.
  William Raley: Yeah. Want this straight or what? Let's keep it at this. So it would be like this. Do we want something interesting with it or see. Would give us a light here. Maybe it's boring. You want it curved or what? Maybe you want
  Lawrence Scavone: Well, I think
  William Raley: Should
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  William Raley: like
  Lawrence Scavone: looks
  William Raley: this?
  Lawrence Scavone: better curved. But that's probably uh
  William Raley: Will give us
  Don Williams: Mm.
  William Raley: design
  Philip Thompson: Huh.
  William Raley: problem because we have
  Philip Thompson: It can be
  Don Williams: Why?
  Philip Thompson: curved.
  Lawrence Scavone: It can be curved, because
  Philip Thompson: Yes.
  Lawrence Scavone: that yeah, it's a little bit more
  William Raley: It can be
  Lawrence Scavone: trendy
  William Raley: curved.
  Lawrence Scavone: to
  William Raley: Okay?
  Lawrence Scavone: be curved.
  William Raley: I think so. That's why I asked you. Okay. So
  Philip Thompson: I would curve the whole actually.
  Lawrence Scavone: Hmm?
  Philip Thompson: I would curve the whole. Like um like it hangs over your hand a little bit.
  William Raley: Oh crap.
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: Then it will bounce and you don't drop it so easily.
  William Raley: Yeah. Oh. Anyway, so you want to a little more like this?
  Philip Thompson: Yeah, something like that,
  Don Williams: Uh-huh.
  Philip Thompson: yes.
  William Raley: And just s s
  Philip Thompson: Yes, exactly.
  William Raley: Stop the curve here or continue it
  Philip Thompson: I think continue like that.
  Don Williams: Yep.
  Philip Thompson: Then there's also
  William Raley: So we
  Philip Thompson: enough
  William Raley: have our L_C_D_
  Philip Thompson: room for the
  William Raley: screen.
  Philip Thompson: electronics.
  William Raley: Let's see.
  Lawrence Scavone: But
  William Raley: In
  Lawrence Scavone: it pretty much looks like a banana already.
  Philip Thompson: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: Uh
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: Let's make
  Don Williams: Perfect.
  Philip Thompson: it yellow
  William Raley: Bana
  Philip Thompson: then.
  William Raley: it's
  Philip Thompson: Uh
  William Raley: banana vision.
  Lawrence Scavone: It's fruit.
  Don Williams: Yeah,
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah.
  Don Williams: it's perfect.
  William Raley: So you have your L_C_D_ screen right here, suppose. Um that would make We use the colours now. But Um
  Philip Thompson: Maybe once we can make a special edition in according with Chiquita. Have ourselves sponsored.
  William Raley: You got sponsor, now you get a free one with every pack of Chiquita.
  Philip Thompson: Uh but it's a good trade-off for them if they can have their logo on it.
  William Raley: So it would give the buttons
  Lawrence Scavone: Or
  William Raley: here.
  Lawrence Scavone: they can design their own cover.
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm. They might
  Lawrence Scavone: We
  Philip Thompson: wanna
  Lawrence Scavone: could
  William Raley: I
  Philip Thompson: be
  Lawrence Scavone: set
  Philip Thompson: the
  William Raley: suppose
  Philip Thompson: first
  Lawrence Scavone: up a
  Philip Thompson: ones
  William Raley: I suppose
  Philip Thompson: to
  Lawrence Scavone: a
  Philip Thompson: uh
  Lawrence Scavone: marketing
  William Raley: we can
  Lawrence Scavone: uh
  William Raley: put
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: um
  Lawrence Scavone: agreement.
  William Raley: let's see. Um
  Philip Thompson: Oh, perhaps they can use it. Or give a special edition uh
  William Raley: Uh I suppose
  Philip Thompson: with with
  William Raley: we can put the batteries in here because it has the most space, for example.
  Lawrence Scavone: Won't that be a problem with the L_C_D_ screen?
  William Raley: I don't think so because it's the biggest part of the
  Philip Thompson: Mm.
  William Raley: uh of the uh
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah, but the L_C_D_ screen probably needs quite
  William Raley: Let's
  Lawrence Scavone: the chip.
  Philip Thompson: I think this is possible.
  William Raley: I think it's possible.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  William Raley: I think it's the best place yeah, you could also
  Philip Thompson: Huh.
  William Raley: put 'em here. But
  Philip Thompson: It doesn't matter. You can actually uh place a chip for the L_C_D_ screen and at the bottom, and and wire it. Doesn't
  William Raley: Okay,
  Philip Thompson: matter.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay, that's not a
  Don Williams: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: problem.
  William Raley: so
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  William Raley: we put the batteries here. That's fine. Yep. Blah.
  Lawrence Scavone: I think we get the idea.
  William Raley: Um, any other com what what are we missing here? Something a speech recognition. Um where do we want the microphone, for example, to be? On the side
  Don Williams: Top?
  William Raley: or on the or,
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh,
  William Raley: for
  Don Williams: W
  William Raley: example, on top?
  Don Williams: On
  Lawrence Scavone: basically
  Don Williams: there.
  William Raley: Like here.
  Lawrence Scavone: the idea that I had
  Philip Thompson: I think
  Lawrence Scavone: was it
  Philip Thompson: on
  Lawrence Scavone: to
  Philip Thompson: top.
  Lawrence Scavone: be pretty
  William Raley: To be
  Lawrence Scavone: much in combination with the transmitter. 'Cause you can talk to it like this.
  William Raley: Okay, I w thought
  Don Williams: No.
  William Raley: maybe it's either be here or because it's mi it might interfere with the transmitter, I'm not sure. But 'Cause transmitter would be
  Lawrence Scavone: Well,
  William Raley: here.
  Lawrence Scavone: the email said it was a quite a small component. So I don't
  William Raley: Why uh
  Lawrence Scavone: see
  William Raley: once again,
  Lawrence Scavone: that.
  William Raley: like you said, the component can be somewhere at the bottom while we wire the microphone up there. Anyway. Um yeah, it could be either be here or make a double microphone.
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: I wouldn't mind.
  Philip Thompson: It is, I believe, also able to talk.
  William Raley: It's able to talk to you.
  Lawrence Scavone: It's
  Philip Thompson: I have a
  Lawrence Scavone: a
  Philip Thompson: sample uh sample sensor and the speaker sensor.
  William Raley: A speaker sensor.
  Philip Thompson: Uh the speaker sensor we already have, but s I don't know what they exactly mean by a sample sensor. Could it talk back? Like uh g uh give confirmation or something. I think it can. I think if you have a a speech
  Lawrence Scavone: Well,
  Philip Thompson: recognition
  Lawrence Scavone: the
  Philip Thompson: component, then
  William Raley: I
  Philip Thompson: a
  William Raley: think
  Philip Thompson: s
  William Raley: so, it
  Philip Thompson: speaking
  William Raley: I think it could.
  Philip Thompson: component is not that hard to to put in either.
  William Raley: Yeah.
  Don Williams: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: I mean it could be a all this stuff could be integrated into the L_C_D_ screen, which
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: you could navigate with this, I suppose. Navigate
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: through everything.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: If
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  William Raley: you have
  Lawrence Scavone: but do
  William Raley: I
  Lawrence Scavone: you
  William Raley: think
  Philip Thompson: But
  William Raley: you sh I
  Lawrence Scavone: actually
  William Raley: think the
  Lawrence Scavone: need
  William Raley: advanced
  Lawrence Scavone: the remote
  William Raley: options
  Lawrence Scavone: talking
  William Raley: should be
  Lawrence Scavone: back?
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: I think it sh
  Philip Thompson: Yeah.
  William Raley: the advanced option could also be integrated in the L_C_D_ screen, of course, because you don't have to have a button for everything. You can just navigate
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: through th m your menu that you have here for advanced
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: options with this. Think that would be fine.
  Philip Thompson: Mm.
  William Raley: So that's w m would be making use of the L_C_D_ screen.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: Mm.
  Philip Thompson: We already have a sound component, by the way, for the beep. So
  William Raley: Beep.
  Philip Thompson: beep.
  Lawrence Scavone: Beep.
  Don Williams: Beep.
  William Raley: Um, so the flashing of the beep, we have well anything. We could Yeah, but you could put a speaker or something on on
  Lawrence Scavone: At
  William Raley: the side
  Lawrence Scavone: the back, yeah.
  William Raley: for example.
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: Like that. Or at the side.
  William Raley: For
  Lawrence Scavone: Which is.
  William Raley: how do you draw that again? Uh whatever, looks stupid.
  Lawrence Scavone: So what's basically edi the editi idea, sorry, now?
  William Raley: I
  Lawrence Scavone: We
  William Raley: think
  Lawrence Scavone: need
  William Raley: this
  Lawrence Scavone: to stay
  William Raley: is
  Lawrence Scavone: here
  William Raley: pretty
  Lawrence Scavone: and work out that.
  Philip Thompson: I'm not sure.
  Don Williams: Oh.
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: I
  Philip Thompson: should be
  William Raley: think
  Philip Thompson: getting
  William Raley: you have to stay
  Philip Thompson: new information,
  William Raley: here
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: because
  Philip Thompson: guess.
  William Raley: we are supposed to five minutes to finish the meeting. Oh, like my the info that I got was that you're uh we're gonna work on our own because you're gonna do the market market
  Don Williams: Yep.
  William Raley: uh analysing I'm supposed to do the little work on the year-end report. So the project report.
  Don Williams: Okay.
  William Raley: Hmm. Okay, I
  Lawrence Scavone: Well,
  William Raley: think we're
  Lawrence Scavone: I suppose we'll
  William Raley: everybody satisfied with the with the current design we have?
  Philip Thompson: Yes.
  William Raley: So we're s
  Don Williams: Ah, that's fine.
  William Raley: supposed to be rubber.
  Lawrence Scavone: Pretty much.
  William Raley: I think well, I think the
  Don Williams: Round.
  William Raley: the remote control is gonna be black because we we forgot to
  Don Williams: Wh
  William Raley: talk about I
  Don Williams: Why?
  William Raley: mean the the company colours are important apparently. So we have
  Philip Thompson: But
  William Raley: the
  Philip Thompson: we
  William Raley: logo
  Philip Thompson: have
  William Raley: up there.
  Philip Thompson: any
  William Raley: So
  Philip Thompson: company
  William Raley: are we gonna
  Philip Thompson: logo.
  William Raley: base
  Philip Thompson: We have
  William Raley: colour is black?
  Philip Thompson: yes, but and yellow.
  William Raley: And yeah, of course we could use yellow buttons or yellow navigation or whatever.
  Philip Thompson: I would change. I would take a yellow
  William Raley: Yellow
  Philip Thompson: remote
  William Raley: but
  Philip Thompson: control.
  William Raley: yellow control. It's
  Philip Thompson: To have it flashy, to have it it's for young people.
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah, but when
  William Raley: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: you use covers,
  Philip Thompson: Need do be different.
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  Don Williams: It's the colour of
  Lawrence Scavone: basically
  William Raley: Well,
  Don Williams: a
  William Raley: don't don't stick
  Lawrence Scavone: easier
  William Raley: yourself on the
  Lawrence Scavone: to
  William Raley: covers
  Lawrence Scavone: have a
  William Raley: right
  Lawrence Scavone: n
  William Raley: now.
  Lawrence Scavone: have a neutral colour on the base.
  William Raley: But don't stick yourself on the cover because
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Lawrence Scavone: No, we're designing the remote control now, but taking
  Philip Thompson: But we need to
  Lawrence Scavone: that
  Philip Thompson: be different.
  Lawrence Scavone: into consideration, it's better
  William Raley: Nah.
  Lawrence Scavone: to have a neutral base colour than to have a flashy
  William Raley: Yeah, but the info. I think
  Don Williams: But,
  William Raley: we should
  Don Williams: the
  William Raley: go
  Don Williams: you
  William Raley: with uh with the company colour because what specific
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: info that I got from the project board. So I
  Don Williams: The young
  William Raley: think
  Don Williams: people
  William Raley: we should go
  Don Williams: want
  William Raley: with that.
  Don Williams: uh a trendy uh
  William Raley: They want
  Don Williams: remote
  William Raley: something
  Don Williams: control.
  William Raley: trendy.
  Don Williams: So
  Philip Thompson: Huh. It's
  Don Williams: colourful
  Philip Thompson: either
  Don Williams: uh is
  Philip Thompson: black cover with yellow buttons or vice versa. And I would say take a yellow cover and black buttons.
  Lawrence Scavone: It is more trendy. That's
  William Raley: I
  Philip Thompson: To
  William Raley: think
  Philip Thompson: be
  Lawrence Scavone: definitely
  William Raley: we
  Philip Thompson: different.
  William Raley: should th
  Lawrence Scavone: true.
  William Raley: then
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: take it take yellow. Take what you c yellow remote control. So let's see if if we can do the LED onto it.
  Don Williams: You have the basic colours, blue,
  William Raley: Uh
  Don Williams: green,
  William Raley: oh.
  Don Williams: red.
  Philip Thompson: Yeah, we have so many colours already. So
  William Raley: You know what?
  Don Williams: Oh, it's
  William Raley: I'm
  Don Williams: okay.
  William Raley: not gonna do this.
  Philip Thompson: Oh no, that
  William Raley: That's up
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: to
  Philip Thompson: think
  William Raley: you guys.
  Philip Thompson: it's good thing to be different than
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  William Raley: You doodle
  Don Williams: Colourful,
  William Raley: a doodle
  Don Williams: you
  William Raley: us a nice
  Don Williams: you
  Philip Thompson: Well
  William Raley: nice design for for the next
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: meeting, we'll be done. I think
  Don Williams: Yep.
  William Raley: we're all happy now.
  Philip Thompson: I still
  William Raley: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: don't have
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Philip Thompson: my scroll-wheel though.
  William Raley: Stupid
  Philip Thompson: Uh
  Lawrence Scavone: Oh,
  Philip Thompson: that's
  William Raley: scroll-wheel.
  Lawrence Scavone: where would you
  Don Williams: Yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: like to put it?
  Philip Thompson: Nah, that's true.
  William Raley: 'Kay I'm not sure uh I really, I'm no I have no clue what we could use the scroll-wheel for.
  Lawrence Scavone: Uh you could use it for
  Philip Thompson: No,
  Lawrence Scavone: the channels
  Philip Thompson: forget it.
  Lawrence Scavone: and
  Don Williams: Oh yeah.
  Lawrence Scavone: for the volume. But
  Philip Thompson: No
  Lawrence Scavone: it's
  Philip Thompson: look,
  Don Williams: You
  Philip Thompson: it
  Lawrence Scavone: has
  Don Williams: can
  Lawrence Scavone: no
  William Raley: It takes space, a
  Lawrence Scavone: real
  William Raley: lot of space.
  Lawrence Scavone: added value.
  Philip Thompson: No,
  William Raley: And
  Philip Thompson: that's
  William Raley: it
  Philip Thompson: not
  William Raley: could
  Philip Thompson: my point. It's not because it's functional, but it's just to add to the design, to have it flashy.
  Don Williams: Ah
  Philip Thompson: It
  Don Williams: may
  Philip Thompson: it
  Lawrence Scavone: Yeah,
  Philip Thompson: has
  Lawrence Scavone: but if
  Philip Thompson: no
  Lawrence Scavone: it
  Philip Thompson: function,
  Lawrence Scavone: has
  Philip Thompson: I
  Lawrence Scavone: no function,
  Philip Thompson: agree.
  William Raley: I'm not
  Philip Thompson: I
  William Raley: sure
  Philip Thompson: agree.
  Lawrence Scavone: then
  William Raley: if it if it has no function, why even put it there?
  Philip Thompson: Oh, so
  William Raley: And
  Philip Thompson: many things
  Don Williams: But
  Philip Thompson: have
  William Raley: th
  Philip Thompson: no
  William Raley: that's
  Philip Thompson: function,
  William Raley: just so
  Don Williams: uh
  William Raley: much
  Don Williams: uh
  William Raley: things
  Don Williams: scroll
  Philip Thompson: just
  William Raley: that
  Philip Thompson: design.
  William Raley: make
  Don Williams: for
  William Raley: it look flash
  Don Williams: a channel s selection or volume
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm. Hmm.
  William Raley: I think channel selection would be annoying
  Don Williams: Ma
  William Raley: because it just c you could scroll past the channel
  Philip Thompson: Mm-hmm.
  William Raley: or
  Philip Thompson: Let's vote
  Don Williams: Oh
  Philip Thompson: on
  Don Williams: okay.
  Philip Thompson: it. Then we
  William Raley: Hmm.
  Philip Thompson: don't have to talk about it any longer.
  Don Williams: Oh okay.
  Philip Thompson: What do you want? In or out?
  Lawrence Scavone: Basically out. I
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  Lawrence Scavone: don't see the
  Philip Thompson: You are out of course. You
  Don Williams: Out.
  Philip Thompson: are okay, clear.
  William Raley: No r no scroll-wheel. Okay. Um I don't see anything missing really. Yeah, we should
  Lawrence Scavone: Do you
  William Raley: too
  Lawrence Scavone: have
  William Raley: bad we
  Lawrence Scavone: all
  William Raley: don't
  Lawrence Scavone: your
  William Raley: have the
  Lawrence Scavone: answers?
  William Raley: finance. We could've
  Philip Thompson: I have all my answers, yes.
  Lawrence Scavone: Okay.
  William Raley: Yeah, it's I'm not sure if we're if we're gonna get finance anyway because I thought we cou I thought
  Don Williams: I
  William Raley: it was
  Don Williams: have
  William Raley: gonna be
  Don Williams: to
  William Raley: an
  Don Williams: call
  William Raley: issue
  Don Williams: this in a form.
  William Raley: at
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: the first time we started. I thought it was
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: gonna be a cost issue which
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: material we were gonna take
  Philip Thompson: There is I
  William Raley: relative
  Philip Thompson: have one
  William Raley: to
  Philip Thompson: question.
  William Raley: the advanced chips or anything. So you just do whatever
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: you like and
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  William Raley: uh
  Philip Thompson: I only
  William Raley: doesn't
  Philip Thompson: have one
  William Raley: care
  Philip Thompson: question
  William Raley: what it costs.
  Philip Thompson: with the material, but I don't have information that. We've
  William Raley: I think
  Philip Thompson: chosen
  William Raley: we're
  Philip Thompson: rubber.
  William Raley: rubber is not expensive.
  Philip Thompson: No,
  William Raley: Definitely.
  Philip Thompson: but can we make yellow rubber? I think so
  William Raley: You can make
  Lawrence Scavone: Yes,
  William Raley: rubber in any
  Don Williams: Ah.
  Lawrence Scavone: you
  William Raley: colour.
  Lawrence Scavone: can colour
  William Raley: In
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  William Raley: any
  Lawrence Scavone: rubber,
  William Raley: colour. So
  Lawrence Scavone: yeah.
  William Raley: I mean you can't make yellow titanium, but
  Don Williams: But
  William Raley: you
  Don Williams: we ha
  William Raley: can make
  Don Williams: w
  Philip Thompson: Mm.
  William Raley: yellow rubber.
  Don Williams: we
  Philip Thompson: Okay.
  Don Williams: don't uh use our reco uh we uh removable cover?
  William Raley: Uh yeah
  Don Williams: No,
  William Raley: we can
  Don Williams: huh?
  William Raley: make uh for example it's just something you can click on it like uh that's but it's not som not apparently that's not something we're working with in the
  Don Williams: Maybe
  William Raley: basic design.
  Don Williams: maybe
  William Raley: So.
  Don Williams: later, maybe
  Philip Thompson: Hmm.
  Don Williams: we can
  William Raley: Yeah, it
  Don Williams: uh
  William Raley: could be. It can be done, for e
Updated Content: For the conceptual design, Philip Thompson suggested to use kinetic dynamo as energy source. The decision veered towards the basic battery option with no recharging station. They also decided to go for a single-curved design. The available materials for the casing are plastic, wood, rubber and titanium. Possible interfaces are push buttons, scroll wheels, and LCDs. The inclusion of advanced features, like LCD screen and speech recognition, can only be speculative, because the team have no pricing information. Lawrence Scavone presented two provisional designs, standard and luxury. The latter has an LCD screen at the top. They are both rectangular with a curve grooved in where the finger rests. There are two lights to help find the remote, all the standard buttons and speech recognition. Don Williams talked about the public's preference for looks over technological innovation; however, they both seem to be more important than ease of use. The current fashion among younger people favours bright colours and fruit and vegetable themes and spongy materials: pertinent exchangeable fronts can express such trends on the remote. Based on Lawrence Scavone's drawing, they designed another version shaped slightly like a banana, and discussed the positions of buttons and all other components.