Extracted Content: Anna Goto: Okay we all all set? Right. Well this is the uh final detailed design meeting. Um we're gonna discuss the look and feel design, the user interface design, and we're gonna evaluate the product. And the end result of this meeting has to be a decision on the details of this remote control, like absolute final decision, um and then I'm gonna have to specify the final design in the final report. So um just from from last time to recap, we said we were gonna have a snowman shaped remote control with no L_C_D_ display, no need for talk-back, it was hopefully gonna be kinetic power and battery uh with rubber buttons, maybe backlighting the buttons with some internal L_E_D_s to shine through the casing, um hopefully a jog-dial, and incorporating the slogan somewhere as well. Anything I've missed?
  Erin Fowler: No.
  Anna Goto: Okay um so uh if you want to present your prototype go ahead.
  Allene Bracco: Uh-oh. This is it?
  Erin Fowler: Ninja Homer, made in Japan.
  Allene Bracco: Um, a few changes we've made. Um,
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Allene Bracco: well look at the expense sheet, and uh
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Allene Bracco: it turned to be quite a lot expensive to have open up and have lots of buttons and stuff inside,
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Allene Bracco: so instead we've um this is gonna be an L_C_D_ screen, um just a a very very basic one, very small um with access to the menu through the the scroll wheel and uh confirm um button.
  Dora Tolston: Mm 'kay.
  Erin Fowler: And there isn't uh d it doesn't open up to the advanced functions? So the advanced functions are still hidden from you, but they're hidden in the sense that um they're not in use.
  Dora Tolston: Where are they?
  Erin Fowler: Um they're in the L_C_D_ panel and the jog-dial?
  Dora Tolston: Ah, right.
  Erin Fowler: Okay
  Dora Tolston: Great.
  Erin Fowler: 'cause
  Anna Goto: So w what kind of thing uh is gonna be
  Erin Fowler: The L_C_D_ panel just displays um functionally what you're doing. If you're using
  Dora Tolston: Right.
  Erin Fowler: an advanced function right, like um c brightness, contrast, whatever,
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: it will just say You know it's like only has four columns, it's a very simple L_C_D_ like,
  Dora Tolston: Right.
  Erin Fowler: whereas many the minimum amount we need that the user will automatically know like this is brightness or this is contrast.
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: Right,
  Anna Goto: Okay cool.
  Erin Fowler: It might even
  Dora Tolston: 'kay.
  Erin Fowler: be one, a bit more complex L_C_D_ panel with
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: pictures like maybe the sun or the, you know, the the symbols of the various
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Anna Goto: Oh
  Erin Fowler: functions.
  Anna Goto: right okay.
  Dora Tolston: and what is
  Anna Goto: Cool.
  Dora Tolston: this here?
  Erin Fowler: That's a number pad.
  Dora Tolston: Okay so the number pad is
  Anna Goto: Where
  Dora Tolston: 'Kay,
  Anna Goto: are we gonna
  Dora Tolston: great.
  Anna Goto: have the slogan?
  Erin Fowler: Um
  Allene Bracco: You know, just like
  Erin Fowler: they're al along
  Allene Bracco: right
  Erin Fowler: this
  Allene Bracco: inside
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Allene Bracco: there.
  Anna Goto: Okay cool.
  Erin Fowler: You have this space here, and then you have this thing on the side as well, or at the bottom.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: 'Cause slogans are usually quite small, right, they're not like
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: huge so they're s
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Erin Fowler: Say a button's
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Looks
  Erin Fowler: about
  Dora Tolston: good.
  Erin Fowler: say a button's about this size, right,
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Erin Fowler: so you would still have plenty
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: of space for a slogan, say even
  Anna Goto: So
  Erin Fowler: for that.
  Anna Goto: if this isn't to scale, what kind of dimensions are you thinking about here?
  Allene Bracco: Well we want the other buttons to be big enough to push easily
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Allene Bracco: with a finger so we reckon maybe that'll be about the same size as the palm
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Allene Bracco: of your hand.
  Erin Fowler: Yep so that would be about a centimetre for a button, so one two three four centimetres. Plus maybe half
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: o five
  Dora Tolston: About nine
  Erin Fowler: six
  Dora Tolston: in total.
  Anna Goto: Six,
  Erin Fowler: seven
  Anna Goto: seven,
  Erin Fowler: eight,
  Anna Goto: eight, nine, ten.
  Erin Fowler: about
  Anna Goto: So
  Erin Fowler: yeah nine total.
  Anna Goto: we're
  Dora Tolston: That
  Anna Goto: talking
  Dora Tolston: sounds
  Anna Goto: about
  Dora Tolston: good.
  Anna Goto: ten
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: centimetres. That would be
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Anna Goto: good. So
  Erin Fowler: Nine,
  Anna Goto: ten
  Erin Fowler: ten.
  Anna Goto: centimetres in height.
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: Okay um.
  Dora Tolston: That'd be good, in fact a pen is about ten centimetres usually, so that would be that sounds a really good size
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: if, you see it there.
  Anna Goto: That's great and it's very bright as well.
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Anna Goto: So um okay.
  Dora Tolston: Is it possible uh I'm just gonna bring up the idea of colours. Is these are these the colours that of production,
  Allene Bracco: Well I'm
  Dora Tolston: or is this just what we had available?
  Allene Bracco: We're gonna have again the the sort of the foggy um yellow from last time that lit up when you pushed the button.
  Dora Tolston: Right.
  Allene Bracco: Um
  Anna Goto: Okay so just could you just list all the things that it does s so I can write them in the report.
  Allene Bracco: But um this button um, because it's red it's sort of very prominent, we're gonna use it as uh it can be the power button if you hold it for maybe two seconds it'll
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Allene Bracco: send a stand-by signal. Um apart from
  Erin Fowler: Excuse
  Allene Bracco: that
  Erin Fowler: Dora Tolston.
  Allene Bracco: it's gonna
  Erin Fowler: Sure.
  Allene Bracco: be used as a confirm button for the L_C_D_ screen
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Allene Bracco: and you use this as a jog-dial.
  Anna Goto: Okay so that's like an okay button, right.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: Oh we've discussed
  Allene Bracco: I don't
  Erin Fowler: how
  Allene Bracco: know.
  Erin Fowler: h high it is, but how wide is it?
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: How high is it?
  Erin Fowler: No as in the height,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: but what about the width?
  Allene Bracco: Didn't
  Anna Goto: Oh
  Allene Bracco: put five
  Anna Goto: oh
  Allene Bracco: centimetres.
  Anna Goto: like depth of the actual
  Erin Fowler: Do we need five?
  Anna Goto: thing.
  Erin Fowler: I don't think
  Allene Bracco: Um.
  Erin Fowler: five is be about th three and a half.
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Allene Bracco: Something
  Anna Goto: Oh is this
  Allene Bracco: by
  Anna Goto: k
  Allene Bracco: there.
  Anna Goto: to get an idea of scale
  Erin Fowler: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: from your
  Dora Tolston: Sure.
  Anna Goto: from your
  Erin Fowler: yeah.
  Anna Goto: thing there okay. So you can power on and off,
  Dora Tolston: Three and
  Anna Goto: what else
  Dora Tolston: a half.
  Anna Goto: can you do?
  Allene Bracco: Um you can skip straight to a channel using these buttons.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Allene Bracco: Um, were gonna have the volume control here, but um because we've got the the L_C_D_ and the jog-dial we just thought we'd um use that as the volume.
  Anna Goto: Okay jog-dial for volume. And what
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: else do you do with the jog-dial?
  Allene Bracco: Um you can use it for um more advanced functions like contrast, colour and
  Anna Goto: Contrast, brightness,
  Allene Bracco: Um yeah.
  Anna Goto: yeah, and anything else?
  Allene Bracco: Um just whatever else we wanted to include as the advanced functions, um we didn't actually go through and specify the
  Anna Goto: Well of the designers what are they?
  Allene Bracco: Uh what can a T_V_ do?
  Erin Fowler: Okay things like um brightness, contrast,
  Anna Goto: Uh-huh.
  Erin Fowler: um maybe tuning the channels.
  Anna Goto: Okay channel tuning.
  Erin Fowler: Um.
  Anna Goto: That's a good one.
  Erin Fowler: What else? Um the various inputs. Are you having a V_C_R_, are you
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: having
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: you know which input do you have?
  Anna Goto: Okay auxiliary
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm, probably
  Anna Goto: inputs.
  Erin Fowler: Um.
  Dora Tolston: colour or sharpness.
  Erin Fowler: Yep, colour, sharpness.
  Anna Goto: Sharpness.
  Erin Fowler: Um a lot of these things will have to be um free and open for users to define them.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Okay what about uh sound settings? Uh d can you change any of those at all?
  Dora Tolston: Audio.
  Erin Fowler: Audio, we have like
  Allene Bracco: Um.
  Erin Fowler: your basic y your base, your mid-range, your high range. Um.
  Allene Bracco: the the balance hmm.
  Erin Fowler: Yep, left-right balance, um maybe even pre-programmed sound modes, like
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: um the user could determine like a series of sound modes, and then
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: what could happen would be um when you click on that then it would go to that setting.
  Anna Goto: Okay,
  Dora Tolston: Mm 'kay.
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: is there anything else at all it can do? That 'cause that's that's fine. Just need to know so I can write it down. Okay um right I g I guess that's it, so we can now um We can now have a little look at the the Excel sheet and price listing, and see if we need to
  Allene Bracco: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: um if we need to rethink anything at all. So um for this first part here power-wise, have we
  Erin Fowler: The
  Anna Goto: got
  Erin Fowler: battery.
  Anna Goto: battery? Do we have kinetic as well?
  Erin Fowler: No.
  Anna Goto: No. Okay,
  Erin Fowler: Um.
  Anna Goto: just battery.
  Erin Fowler: We need an
  Anna Goto: And that's because of cost restraints
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: is it?
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Okay um
  Erin Fowler: Yeah advanced
  Anna Goto: what about the
  Erin Fowler: chip.
  Anna Goto: electronics here?
  Erin Fowler: We
  Anna Goto: Advanced
  Erin Fowler: need an advanced
  Anna Goto: chip.
  Erin Fowler: chip I think, yep. Let Dora Tolston just confirm that. Yes I think so. Yep.
  Anna Goto: Okay um the case, what does it mean by single and double, do you know?
  Allene Bracco: Um I think single would just be sort of one sort of oval whereas double is this sort of thing.
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: So we want double-curved?
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: Okay. Um.
  Erin Fowler: Plastic.
  Anna Goto: Is there any rubber at all in the buttons
  Erin Fowler: I think we're
  Anna Goto: or any
  Erin Fowler: gonna have to skip the rubber.
  Anna Goto: Okay,
  Erin Fowler: Um.
  Anna Goto: um and we wanted special colours didn't
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: we? So I'll have to put that Oh no wait we ho how many colours have we got there?
  Erin Fowler: For the case itself, one colour. It's one special colour.
  Anna Goto: Just one colour, okay.
  Erin Fowler: 'Cause the case unit itself, the rest of our components
  Anna Goto: Okay
  Erin Fowler: go on top
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: of it.
  Anna Goto: so interface-wise, is it this third option we
  Erin Fowler: Yes.
  Anna Goto: have, the two of them there?
  Erin Fowler: One and the L_C_ display.
  Anna Goto: Okay and then buttons,
  Erin Fowler: How many
  Anna Goto: we have what,
  Allene Bracco: Um we have
  Anna Goto: two
  Allene Bracco: um
  Anna Goto: colours?
  Allene Bracco: got some
  Dora Tolston: Or even
  Allene Bracco: push buttons
  Dora Tolston: clear.
  Allene Bracco: as well.
  Erin Fowler: We've got push buttons as well.
  Anna Goto: Like uh
  Allene Bracco: 'Kay.
  Anna Goto: oh wait so push button and integrated scroll wheel push okay.
  Allene Bracco: So I reckon we've got one button for this thing 'cause it's just one big sheet of rubber.
  Anna Goto: Uh-huh.
  Allene Bracco: I'm not sure if that counts but
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: Okay let's just be safe and put like say four buttons for that one.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: Okay um and maybe a special colour for the buttons, so maybe four again.
  Anna Goto: Four.
  Allene Bracco: You can see we're we're all very
  Anna Goto: So
  Allene Bracco: far
  Anna Goto: w
  Allene Bracco: beyond
  Anna Goto: why
  Allene Bracco: the
  Anna Goto: are we arriving at the number four? Where does the number four come from?
  Erin Fowler: 'Cause that's one button by its the complexity of twelve buttons.
  Anna Goto: Okay right, so
  Erin Fowler: So
  Anna Goto: we're writing
  Erin Fowler: we're
  Anna Goto: down
  Erin Fowler: just
  Anna Goto: four.
  Erin Fowler: estimating that yeah it would be less.
  Anna Goto: Okay. How about these? Are we wanting them in
  Erin Fowler: No.
  Anna Goto: no they're just is
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: everything gonna be plastic?
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: Okay. So we're w w quite far over. Now we're gonna something's gonna have to go. Um we're at sixteen point eight and
  Dora Tolston: Uh how mm-hmm how are we going to achieve this high-end product if
  Anna Goto: Well we h something has to
  Dora Tolston: We
  Anna Goto: go
  Dora Tolston: only have
  Anna Goto: to the tune
  Dora Tolston: very
  Anna Goto: of
  Dora Tolston: sparse
  Anna Goto: two point t three Euro, so let Dora Tolston see, what are we
  Dora Tolston: Two
  Anna Goto: I mean
  Dora Tolston: point three? Four point three no?
  Anna Goto: oh yes sorry, four point three. My maths is all out.
  Allene Bracco: Well we could take out ones by making it single curved, just fill in those bits.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: And then where
  Erin Fowler: How
  Dora Tolston: is
  Erin Fowler: much
  Dora Tolston: the
  Erin Fowler: would that save us?
  Anna Goto: How much would that save
  Erin Fowler: That
  Anna Goto: us?
  Erin Fowler: will only save
  Allene Bracco: That
  Erin Fowler: you one.
  Allene Bracco: is one.
  Anna Goto: One.
  Erin Fowler: The other thing could be that um you could take away the L_C_D_ panel and the advanced chip together, um because when you do something on the T_V_,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: the T_V_ responds and reacts as well, so the user could be looking at the T_V_ and pushing his thing
  Allene Bracco: That's
  Erin Fowler: so
  Allene Bracco: fair
  Erin Fowler: we
  Allene Bracco: enough,
  Erin Fowler: may
  Allene Bracco: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: not need to
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: so when we scroll we need just some way to
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: get the T_V_ to respond,
  Anna Goto: Okay
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: so
  Erin Fowler: which I think is a technically doable thing so
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: So w what's our reviewed suggestion? Um take away the L_C_ display?
  Erin Fowler: Yep. And
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: the advanced chip goes away as well.
  Anna Goto: To be replaced with a
  Erin Fowler: Regular chip.
  Anna Goto: regular chip.
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: So what that means is that
  Anna Goto: And
  Erin Fowler: um
  Anna Goto: so we've got point three to get rid of. Um and we ha where are the four the four push buttons are where exactly now?
  Erin Fowler: The twelve buttons that you see there.
  Anna Goto: Twelve buttons.
  Allene Bracco: That's um one piece of rubber but it's gonna have twelve button
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Allene Bracco: things underneath
  Erin Fowler: Functionally
  Allene Bracco: so
  Erin Fowler: you're gonna have to intercept So four is a good estimate for
  Anna Goto: Do you think?
  Erin Fowler: Yeah, so you can't actually cut It's like three times the number of
  Anna Goto: Like
  Erin Fowler: buttons,
  Anna Goto: is
  Erin Fowler: four, eight, twelve.
  Anna Goto: is that one big button or is it twelve buttons, how
  Erin Fowler: It
  Anna Goto: can it be something in between?
  Erin Fowler: It needs to be more than one big button because if you open up your phone, underneath
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: there's actually
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: one button underneath, it's just that the panel itself is a single panel.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Okay well we have point three to get rid of somewhere.
  Erin Fowler: We just
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: report that it has to be over budget, or the colours, you
  Anna Goto: No
  Erin Fowler: could
  Anna Goto: can
  Erin Fowler: take away
  Anna Goto: do.
  Erin Fowler: s colours for th for the buttons.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah we could just go with
  Allene Bracco: Yeah w
  Dora Tolston: um
  Erin Fowler: Normal coloured buttons.
  Anna Goto: Well do you want colour differentiation here?
  Erin Fowler: No
  Allene Bracco: Um
  Erin Fowler: that's not the button we're talking
  Anna Goto: Oh yeah
  Erin Fowler: about.
  Anna Goto: sorry
  Erin Fowler: That's
  Anna Goto: yeah then.
  Erin Fowler: the buttons only refer to the pad so
  Anna Goto: Right so
  Erin Fowler: Should we take that off uh?
  Anna Goto: Ah.
  Erin Fowler: Hey
  Anna Goto: That's
  Erin Fowler: it's back
  Anna Goto: it.
  Erin Fowler: to the original.
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Erin Fowler: Um so then these just become normal coloured buttons,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: so that might be some some way of cutting the cost.
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Anna Goto: Okay, ach that's a shame. Um right, so take away that completely? Ah. And now we're under budget. So we do have point five Euro to play with if we wanted. Um
  Allene Bracco: So I reckon
  Dora Tolston: How about with embossing the logo, isn't that going to cost us some money?
  Anna Goto: Doesn't say so.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah. That's
  Allene Bracco: Reckon that
  Dora Tolston: a freebie.
  Allene Bracco: probably counts as a special form for the buttons.
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: a good idea. Just one? Does that mean that one button has a special form or
  Allene Bracco: I think there's just one button so
  Anna Goto: Yeah
  Allene Bracco: handy.
  Anna Goto: okay. Well well there we go. So I'm just gonna have to redraw this now. So we're not gonna have the L_C_D_ anymore, and we'll just gonna have an on t on the T_V_ it'll show you what you're doing, which I think is fair enough, and so this is gonna be one big thing here. Um.
  Dora Tolston: Was the goal in your in your prototype design that it be as low profile as possible?
  Erin Fowler: What do you mean by
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: profile?
  Dora Tolston: Sort of flat as possible.
  Erin Fowler: No.
  Allene Bracco: You see I envision it as being um quite deep sort of
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Allene Bracco: deep enough to be comfy to hold in your hands
  Dora Tolston: Yeah that's
  Allene Bracco: rather
  Dora Tolston: what I
  Allene Bracco: than
  Dora Tolston: was
  Allene Bracco: being
  Dora Tolston: thinking,
  Allene Bracco: wide
  Dora Tolston: to
  Allene Bracco: and flat.
  Dora Tolston: Sure,
  Erin Fowler: We
  Dora Tolston: okay.
  Erin Fowler: didn't have enough Play-Doh to make it three
  Dora Tolston: Yeah
  Erin Fowler: D_.
  Dora Tolston: alright yeah fair enough. Okay, just thought I'd ask.
  Erin Fowler: So there's one more dimension to the thing
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: which we need to to add, and you might want to add in the report, height.
  Anna Goto: Right okay.
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: So just to well to be thorough then, width-wise we're looking at about what three centimetres or something?
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Okay and then so
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: height-wise How how tall do you envisage it being? About
  Allene Bracco: Yeah
  Anna Goto: that
  Allene Bracco: it works,
  Anna Goto: big?
  Erin Fowler: Two.
  Allene Bracco: yeah.
  Anna Goto: About two centimetres, okay.
  Dora Tolston: Two's not very high at all though. Maybe
  Erin Fowler: This
  Dora Tolston: a bit
  Erin Fowler: is
  Dora Tolston: higher?
  Erin Fowler: about this is about two. Slightly more than
  Allene Bracco: See,
  Erin Fowler: two,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: so
  Allene Bracco: about that thick.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Maybe closer
  Anna Goto: Ach, that
  Dora Tolston: to
  Anna Goto: is
  Dora Tolston: three even
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: or two and a half.
  Anna Goto: Okay we'll s we'll say two point five. Okay um so we have it within cost anyway. Um so yeah project evaluation is this point. Um.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Right uh. Okay so can we close that? This is what it's the final spec that it's gonna be.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Someone is gonna have to yeah that's fine that's fine.
  Dora Tolston: Um it's probably just I dunno if it's worth getting into, but um just in in that we want this to be stylish, should we think a little bit more out of the box in terms of a button grid, because I've seen there's lots of devices out there that that instead of taking your standard nine nine square grid, and they have it sort of stylized or in different concept that that
  Erin Fowler: I think that's something that's very hard to catch,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: so you you restrict the number of people who wanna try something.
  Dora Tolston: Sure, okay.
  Erin Fowler: The the look and the colour is something which is cool,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, alright.
  Erin Fowler: but I think that there's also that factor of if it's too unfamiliar
  Dora Tolston: Okay,
  Erin Fowler: then
  Dora Tolston: sure.
  Erin Fowler: um because when you put
  Dora Tolston: What about
  Erin Fowler: it on the
  Dora Tolston: button
  Erin Fowler: shelf
  Dora Tolston: shape? Square buttons?
  Erin Fowler: Yeah button shape might be a good idea to change,
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: rather than rather than positioning,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: 'cause I think positioning is
  Dora Tolston: Sure.
  Erin Fowler: we're kinda engrained into the
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: the telephone kind
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: of
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: pad.
  Anna Goto: Right um. So at this point we uh, let Dora Tolston see, discuss uh how satisfied we all are with um with these four points, with the room for creativity in the project, and leadership and teamwork, and the stuff we had around
  Dora Tolston: Mm 'kay.
  Anna Goto: us I guess. Um, let Dora Tolston see uh
  Dora Tolston: Do you want Dora Tolston to d um Do you want Dora Tolston to do my um design evaluation last?
  Erin Fowler: Maybe
  Anna Goto: Yeah I wasn't
  Erin Fowler: we should
  Dora Tolston: Or
  Anna Goto: really
  Erin Fowler: do the
  Anna Goto: sure
  Erin Fowler: design evaluation
  Anna Goto: what that was
  Erin Fowler: first.
  Anna Goto: Yeah,
  Dora Tolston: Evaluation.
  Anna Goto: yeah go for that first. I wasn't entirely sure what uh
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Anna Goto: who was supposed to be doing that, but
  Dora Tolston: Sure.
  Anna Goto: y you go for it.
  Dora Tolston: Um, alright so the way this works, I'm gonna need to plug into PowerPoint,
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: I'll try and do it as quick as possible.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Um, this is um I'll just go over your head if that's okay.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: I don't think you need the power, so
  Dora Tolston: What's that?
  Erin Fowler: No, that's okay that's okay.
  Dora Tolston: I don't need the PowerPoint?
  Erin Fowler: No, the power cord itself.
  Dora Tolston: Oh course,
  Erin Fowler: Yeah,
  Dora Tolston: yeah that's
  Erin Fowler: so
  Dora Tolston: true.
  Erin Fowler: then you have
  Dora Tolston: Let
  Erin Fowler: a
  Dora Tolston: Dora Tolston
  Erin Fowler: bit
  Dora Tolston: get
  Erin Fowler: more
  Dora Tolston: that.
  Erin Fowler: freedom to
  Dora Tolston: A bit more. Okay,
  Erin Fowler: You you still have your blue
  Dora Tolston: so
  Erin Fowler: fingers.
  Dora Tolston: what this is is a set-up for us to
  Allene Bracco: Is it?
  Dora Tolston: um
  Erin Fowler: You
  Dora Tolston: uh use
  Erin Fowler: killed
  Dora Tolston: a kind
  Erin Fowler: a monster.
  Dora Tolston: of a like a The idea is that I've set up I've reviewed all of the um the points of discussion from the beginning, and used that as a criteria of evaluation for the um uh for the current design uh th or the plan, and uh so we can review that. Uh I think it's gonna end up being sort of elementary because we're sort we're in n we're not gonna probably use it to change anything but Doesn't seem like it's going, does it?
  Anna Goto: Oh there it is.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, okay great. Uh and I'm gonna write up our results on the board, so this'll be a way for us to go through and decide if we're um sort of review where we stand with it. Okay, so um So to sort of b bring together two things, sort of design goals and also the market research that we had, uh when we rate this, one is v high in in succeeding or fitting to our original aim and seven is low, okay.
  Anna Goto: Mm 'kay.
  Dora Tolston: So these i these i th are the and um we've been asked to uh to collectively rate this, so what we can do is try and just y work on a consensus system so we just come to an agreement.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Okay? So the first one uh, stylish look and feel.
  Erin Fowler: I rate that pretty highly.
  Anna Goto: Well yeah,
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: I mean compared to most
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: remote controls you see that's pretty good. I dunno
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: like a six or something.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah
  Anna Goto: What
  Dora Tolston: um
  Anna Goto: does anybody else think?
  Dora Tolston: Dora Tolston uh my only reservation with it was that we basically went with yellow because it's the company's colour,
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: and I don't know if yellow's gonna really be a hit.
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: But
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Allene Bracco: I'm seeing five then.
  Dora Tolston: What do you guys think?
  Anna Goto: I would say five or six.
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Anna Goto: David?
  Erin Fowler: Yep I'm fine with that.
  Dora Tolston: Okay let's go with five then.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Fi oh uh just
  Erin Fowler: It's
  Dora Tolston: actually
  Erin Fowler: one
  Dora Tolston: the opposite.
  Erin Fowler: to seven, right?
  Dora Tolston: The
  Anna Goto: Oh yes sorry
  Dora Tolston: So it meant
  Anna Goto: then, then I would say two
  Dora Tolston: three,
  Anna Goto: or three.
  Dora Tolston: okay.
  Erin Fowler: Wait, what's the scale, one to seven,
  Allene Bracco: One's
  Erin Fowler: right?
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Allene Bracco: high-ish
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Allene Bracco: isn't it?
  Dora Tolston: one is high.
  Allene Bracco: Ah, okay so yeah, two or three.
  Dora Tolston: 'Kay
  Erin Fowler: Okay, it's
  Dora Tolston: Let's
  Erin Fowler: upside-down.
  Dora Tolston: go with two point five then. Okay, um control high tech innovation.
  Anna Goto: Well it
  Dora Tolston: We
  Anna Goto: has
  Dora Tolston: had to
  Anna Goto: the
  Dora Tolston: remove
  Anna Goto: wee jog-dial but
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, so we've had to remove a few of our features we
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: wanted, but jog-dial 's
  Anna Goto: I'd
  Dora Tolston: good.
  Erin Fowler: Say
  Anna Goto: go with
  Erin Fowler: it's more
  Anna Goto: three
  Allene Bracco: Eight
  Anna Goto: or
  Allene Bracco: three.
  Anna Goto: four,
  Erin Fowler: medium,
  Anna Goto: maybe three.
  Erin Fowler: but going towards a little bit higher than medium
  Dora Tolston: Okay,
  Erin Fowler: kind of
  Anna Goto: Yeah
  Erin Fowler: thing.
  Anna Goto: about
  Dora Tolston: three?
  Anna Goto: three, okay.
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Dora Tolston: Okay, um Style reflects a fruit inspired colour, design. I
  Erin Fowler: Lemon.
  Dora Tolston: shouldn't have said colour, but just
  Anna Goto: Well that's
  Erin Fowler: Okay,
  Anna Goto: kind
  Erin Fowler: the
  Anna Goto: of
  Erin Fowler: blue
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: the blue
  Dora Tolston: Sorta.
  Erin Fowler: colours and don't re don't actually represent the colour, except
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: for the b the the red button, they because for want of a
  Anna Goto: But
  Dora Tolston: Right.
  Anna Goto: the yellow, I mean it could be
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: a lemon
  Dora Tolston: could
  Anna Goto: yellow
  Dora Tolston: be. Yeah.
  Anna Goto: colour,
  Erin Fowler: Yeah, the
  Anna Goto: couldn't
  Erin Fowler: the yellow
  Anna Goto: it?
  Erin Fowler: is more representative of the colour, but
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: the
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: button itself, the blue can be anything else.
  Dora Tolston: Okay so we'll go two.
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah? Okay, and um design is simple to use, simple in features.
  Anna Goto: Well yeah, I mean it's really basic
  Dora Tolston: F
  Anna Goto: looking
  Dora Tolston: f
  Anna Goto: isn't it? I
  Dora Tolston: yeah
  Anna Goto: mean I'd give that nearly a one.
  Dora Tolston: f fairly basic, you guys think?
  Allene Bracco: Yeah one.
  Erin Fowler: Yep,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, one?
  Erin Fowler: that's
  Dora Tolston: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: fine.
  Dora Tolston: Um, soft and spongy, have we achieved that? We've used mostly plastic in the end so it's going to be quite
  Allene Bracco: Yeah I think
  Dora Tolston: a bit
  Allene Bracco: it's
  Dora Tolston: of
  Allene Bracco: about
  Dora Tolston: a compromise
  Allene Bracco: five.
  Dora Tolston: for price. Five?
  Anna Goto: Five? That's
  Allene Bracco: Yeah
  Anna Goto: really low. Well
  Allene Bracco: well we have to use uh plastic so it's
  Anna Goto: Yeah
  Allene Bracco: probably
  Anna Goto: I
  Dora Tolston: That's
  Allene Bracco: gonna
  Anna Goto: suppose
  Allene Bracco: be
  Anna Goto: mm 'kay.
  Dora Tolston: Um
  Erin Fowler: Yeah,
  Dora Tolston: could
  Erin Fowler: company
  Dora Tolston: we have
  Erin Fowler: logo.
  Dora Tolston: used an entirely rubber frame to it? Was that an option?
  Allene Bracco: I think I'd probably
  Erin Fowler: I think
  Allene Bracco: increase
  Erin Fowler: it'll
  Allene Bracco: the cost.
  Erin Fowler: be cost
  Allene Bracco: We've only
  Dora Tolston: It
  Erin Fowler: prohibitive,
  Dora Tolston: would
  Allene Bracco: got
  Dora Tolston: cost more than plastic.
  Allene Bracco: like what,
  Erin Fowler: yeah.
  Allene Bracco: ten
  Dora Tolston: Okay,
  Allene Bracco: cents left
  Dora Tolston: logo,
  Allene Bracco: so
  Dora Tolston: we've got it in there, haven't we?
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: Yep. Gonna have that on the side, aren't we, like there or something?
  Dora Tolston: Huh. And um it's within budget, yep. It is, isn't it?
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: Okay, so we can say then that uh out of a possible or what would be our goal here?
  Anna Goto: Out of forty nine, I guess.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, out of forty nine with with zero being the highest. We are at uh two, seven, eight, ten, fifteen point five.
  Anna Goto: 'S pretty
  Dora Tolston: So
  Anna Goto: good.
  Dora Tolston: it's pretty good. Translates to something like about approximately seventy two percent efficacy of our original goal. Right?
  Anna Goto: Uh
  Dora Tolston: I think
  Anna Goto: yeah.
  Dora Tolston: 'cause if you turn that into a hundred it would be about
  Anna Goto: Twice that,
  Dora Tolston: about thirty
  Anna Goto: about thirty
  Dora Tolston: one,
  Anna Goto: one.
  Dora Tolston: and then invert that, it's
  Anna Goto: So yeah ab well yeah about sixty nine, seventy percent
  Dora Tolston: Oh right,
  Anna Goto: yeah.
  Dora Tolston: about seventy, yeah seventy percent.
  Anna Goto: It's pretty good.
  Dora Tolston: Okay, good. That was just a little formality for us to go through.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Yep, oh hundred pound pen. Sorry alright.
  Anna Goto: Nobody saw it, honestly.
  Dora Tolston: No.
  Erin Fowler: The cameras did.
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: Is that you all have all finished, or
  Dora Tolston: Yeah that's that's Dora Tolston. I did have one other um one other frame I thought, I mean I I d not knowing how we would deal with this information, I thought okay in theory this kind of a process would be about refining our design, revisiting
  Anna Goto: Uh-huh.
  Dora Tolston: our original goals. It's not something I need to p push through, but I thought should we thinking more about the dimensions, um sort of like more of a three dimensional shapes as well as opposed to just that flat um
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: Could our design involve a series of colours so that it's more of like a line where we have like sort of the,
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Dora Tolston: I don't know like the harvest line or the vibrant, I dunno the Whatever just some theme and then we have different tones, lime green, lemon.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: It's just discussion. I mean obviously we can just abandon this, it's fine. I'm just thinking about what we originally set out to do. Um,
  Anna Goto: Right.
  Dora Tolston: yep so there. That's all.
  Anna Goto: Okay, great um are you submitting the the um evaluation criteria or am I? I don't know what your instructions have been.
  Dora Tolston: Um, I think to record it and uh I haven't been asked to submit it yet. Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Okay, uh just wondering if I need to include it in the minutes, because if you're submitting it anyway
  Dora Tolston: I
  Anna Goto: then
  Dora Tolston: will, yeah.
  Anna Goto: Okay great.
  Erin Fowler: It keeps getting too big.
  Anna Goto: Cool. Um right, uh well next up then, because we've done finance, is the project evaluation.
  Erin Fowler: 'Kay I'm I'm listening I'm just trying to incorporate the logo into the
  Anna Goto: Oh right,
  Erin Fowler: the
  Anna Goto: okay.
  Erin Fowler: thing, so I'm playing with the Play-Doh as well. Just in case you're wondering,
  Dora Tolston: Huh.
  Erin Fowler: why is he still playing with the Play-Doh?
  Erin Fowler: Just about right L_E_G_O_ Lego.
  Allene Bracco: My leg.
  Anna Goto: Right, okay. Um well do you wanna um just individually say what you think about about these four points and or not those four points, my four points, sorry, forgotten that. You got a different uh
  Dora Tolston: Yep. I like those printer cables that just have the two little butterfly clips
  Anna Goto: Oh yeah,
  Dora Tolston: like that.
  Anna Goto: they're good
  Dora Tolston: It's
  Anna Goto: aren't
  Dora Tolston: really
  Anna Goto: they, yeah.
  Dora Tolston: quick.
  Anna Goto: Right
  Dora Tolston: To use.
  Anna Goto: okay, um yeah here we are. Uh as a note we'll do this alphabetically. Um do you wanna start
  Dora Tolston: Sure,
  Anna Goto: Andrew?
  Dora Tolston: um so what is it you're asking of Dora Tolston now?
  Anna Goto: I don't know, just um your opinion on those four those four points really and how we
  Dora Tolston: Or sort of our work
  Anna Goto: used
  Dora Tolston: on
  Anna Goto: them.
  Dora Tolston: setting this up.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah. Well, is it uh okay I'll just go through your system then. The the room uh is fairly institutional, but um the main thing is, I think um our use of this space is more just to report on things as opposed to be creative and constructive and it would probably help to um have l sort of a cumulative effect of we have ideas and we come back and then the ideas are still in discussion, you know, as
  Anna Goto: Uh-huh.
  Dora Tolston: in other words this this room is sort of a centre point of creativity, whereas in reality as we've gone through this, it's not really the centre point of creativity, it's more just a
  Anna Goto: Well d do
  Dora Tolston: d
  Anna Goto: you feel
  Dora Tolston: debating
  Anna Goto: though that that you were able to have quite a lot of creative input into the
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: thing?
  Dora Tolston: yeah but that's just the thing is the quest in terms of the the first point there, the room, it feels as though the creativity goes on when we leave, and then we come here and then we kind of put out our ideas and then, you
  Anna Goto: But
  Dora Tolston: know.
  Anna Goto: I don't I don't think it means the room as in this room. I think
  Dora Tolston: Oh,
  Anna Goto: it means like you
  Dora Tolston: oh right right, oh
  Anna Goto: know
  Dora Tolston: right okay
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: room for creativ Oh right I just looked up and saw okay whiteboard,
  Anna Goto: Room.
  Dora Tolston: digital pens, the room.
  Anna Goto: Oh yeah.
  Dora Tolston: No, of course, yeah.
  Anna Goto: Well I dunno do you th
  Dora Tolston: Sorry.
  Anna Goto: I think it means um
  Dora Tolston: Huh.
  Anna Goto: I think it means did you feel
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: you were able to give creative input so
  Dora Tolston: Yeah I th okay on th um yeah dif answering the question uh in those terms I'd say that actually there's sort of a tease of creativity because we're asked to work through this, but actually the guidelines are fairly contrived in terms of
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: um okay fashion trends, say fruit and vegetable colour scheme, but then i then we're told okay use the co company
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: company colours. So what do we do. We're told okay um think in terms of style and look and feel and technology, but build something for twelve and a half pounds,
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: so actually the creativity was more more of like a um a f sort of a f formality then an actual
  Erin Fowler: You
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: feel like you're caged within
  Dora Tolston: Yeah
  Erin Fowler: whatever
  Dora Tolston: within the constraints
  Erin Fowler: y It's
  Dora Tolston: the
  Erin Fowler: like a balloon in a cage, it can
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: only go so big and not hit the side. The
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: constraints
  Anna Goto: Okay
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Anna Goto: uh
  Erin Fowler: do come
  Anna Goto: do
  Dora Tolston: So
  Anna Goto: you know
  Erin Fowler: in
  Anna Goto: what,
  Erin Fowler: very fast.
  Anna Goto: actually let's take each point and everybody discuss it, I think.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Yeah. So still on the topic of room for creativity uh next up is Craig.
  Allene Bracco: Um I agree with his point it's um it is quite a lot of fun t to go and then you have sort of hit the end then go right, gotta cut everything out 'cause we don't have enough money.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Erin Fowler: I think another point is that the meetings um are more brainstorming sessions than
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: meetings, so time is also a very s um strong factor, and structure.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: Because for a brainstorming meeting you want a structure that allows you to allows ideas to get tossed,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: um
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: to be evaluated, and to be reviewed, and to get feedback and
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: come back. And
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: I guess that point about the room not being r very friendly to that, I think
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: that's a very big thing, and I think the fact that we're wearing these things
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: restricts
  Dora Tolston: sure.
  Erin Fowler: I feel it 'cause I wear
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: m my glasses, right, and that but that irritates Dora Tolston right
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: it it it does actually you know affect
  Dora Tolston: New creativity.
  Erin Fowler: how, w whether you feel comfortable to communicate. I feel like I'm hiding behind the equipment,
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Erin Fowler: rather than the equipment is helping Dora Tolston, and
  Dora Tolston: Right.
  Anna Goto: So you
  Erin Fowler: you
  Anna Goto: think
  Erin Fowler: know.
  Anna Goto: a more relaxed atmosphere would be more kind of conducive
  Erin Fowler: Not not so much
  Anna Goto: to
  Erin Fowler: an
  Anna Goto: creative
  Erin Fowler: atmosphere,
  Anna Goto: thought
  Erin Fowler: the atmosphere
  Anna Goto: or
  Erin Fowler: is very relaxed, but
  Anna Goto: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: the
  Anna Goto: but actual
  Erin Fowler: the
  Anna Goto: environment?
  Erin Fowler: gear yeah you know that creates
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: boundaries to that um
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: and
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: and the time the time given also
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: restricts
  Anna Goto: Very good. Um what about leadership? I don't know if that means like, if I did a good job or something. I don't really know.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, well well I mean my sense on that is sort of what kind of guidance and direction, encouragement
  Anna Goto: From like your personal coach person and stuff like that, do you think maybe?
  Dora Tolston: Yeah from and you as well I think, just sort of acting as team leader.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Um yeah I think I think it's
  Erin Fowler: Excuse
  Dora Tolston: I think
  Erin Fowler: Dora Tolston.
  Dora Tolston: it's good. I mean my personal views on on leadership is that effective effective leadership sort of um gives people a certain room for freedom and delegation, but then to come back with something that they take great ownership and
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: you know, innovative thought with. In in reality I think here the the different elements of leadership such as the the original b briefing and then the personal coach and the and then you know having having you with your the meeting agenda is actually quite a quite a quite a con confining framework to work within. And so it is leadership almost to the point of sort of disempowering the the the team member,
  Anna Goto: Uh-huh,
  Dora Tolston: so
  Anna Goto: okay.
  Dora Tolston: But it's not bad leadership, it's just sort of s fairly strong, you know. It turns it turns the individual into more of like a um sort of a predetermined mechanism, as opposed to a
  Anna Goto: So you think maybe
  Dora Tolston: sort of a free
  Anna Goto: a little too controlling or
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, oh yeah, without
  Erin Fowler: I think
  Dora Tolston: without
  Erin Fowler: controlling
  Dora Tolston: a doubt.
  Erin Fowler: is not the right word, I think
  Dora Tolston: Yeah maybe not
  Erin Fowler: the
  Dora Tolston: co
  Erin Fowler: interactions
  Dora Tolston: confining.
  Erin Fowler: are very structured. I
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: think structure is probably
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: what you're saying that,
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: each individual is structured to one particular
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: task,
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: and
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: one parti rather than controlling. I don't think there's
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: a sense of control 'cause
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: all the decisions have been made in terms of a, like a consensus
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: right,
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: we go around and we think about it, but
  Anna Goto: Uh-huh.
  Erin Fowler: that
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: you know process actually
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: says you have to do it in a certain way.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: It doesn't tell you, you know, some ways that you might wanna be a bit more
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: creative in terms
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: of the
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: process you
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: know, not the
  Anna Goto: Okay, uh what about teamwork?
  Dora Tolston: Um did, you
  Allene Bracco: Uh,
  Dora Tolston: wanna comment
  Allene Bracco: reckon
  Dora Tolston: Craig?
  Allene Bracco: that was a bit hard because we could only discuss things in the meeting.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Allene Bracco: If we could just go up to somebody outside the meeting and have a quick talk with them, that would've been a lot easier.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Fully
  Erin Fowler: I think you
  Dora Tolston: agree.
  Erin Fowler: tried to use the common share folder to to to to communicate, but um it just comes back to us so slow in the email
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: um it it doesn't have a, you know, a messenger will go.
  Anna Goto: Did
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: uh did you guys get the email I sent you?
  Allene Bracco: Not just yet.
  Erin Fowler: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Oh that's
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: alright. I was
  Dora Tolston: got
  Anna Goto: wondering
  Dora Tolston: the email.
  Anna Goto: if that got
  Erin Fowler: Okay.
  Anna Goto: there okay. Okay, um so um to s to to summarize the teamwork issue, saying that if we could communicate outside the meeting, you know just like quick questions, quick thoughts, whatever,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: it probably would be
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: bit
  Erin Fowler: I think
  Anna Goto: easier.
  Erin Fowler: the
  Dora Tolston: in
  Erin Fowler: tools
  Dora Tolston: it
  Erin Fowler: that they were given, the tool set that were given to us are fancy but they don't support collaboration,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: I think that's the
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: word. They don't
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: support the
  Anna Goto: Oh
  Erin Fowler: team
  Dora Tolston: exactly.
  Anna Goto: right,
  Erin Fowler: working
  Anna Goto: okay.
  Erin Fowler: together,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: you
  Dora Tolston: I mean
  Erin Fowler: know,
  Dora Tolston: if you
  Erin Fowler: they're still very individual tools.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, I mean sort of taking upon that idea, w the way I see this i is that it's uh the the s the structure in which we've we've approached this whole task is quite contrary to the p principle of teamwork because the the tasks were d d sort of um divided, and then the work went on in isolation
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: I I don't know what you guys did while you were together, maybe that was a bit different, but
  Erin Fowler: We had
  Dora Tolston: um
  Erin Fowler: Play-Doh fun.
  Dora Tolston: yeah, but um but actually if you if you imagine not entire the completely same task given to us but us said okay, first thing we have to do is come up with um let's say um a design concept, and we sit here together and do it,
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: well that's what teamwork is. To s to say okay go off and don't talk to each other,
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: it's actually p sort of predisposes you to quite the contrary of teamwork.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: Um not that we haven't done I think the best we could have done.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: I'm not dissatisfied with it.
  Anna Goto: Right, uh anything else to say on teamwork at all?
  Erin Fowler: No, not really.
  Anna Goto: Okay, um what about the you know how we used the whiteboard, the digital pens, the projector, stuff like that? Um did
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: anybody think anything was like really useful, anything was pretty un f unsupportive?
  Dora Tolston: I think the whiteboard, for Dora Tolston, is the kind of thing I would use all the time, but it's um not quite as useful as to us as it could have been, maybe just in the way that we we use it, in the sense that once we have an idea out there or while work was going on in between meetings, that could have been up on a board
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: uh you know as opposed to in like in text. Um, and then we could then keep our ideas sort of building on that. I know that people who design cars and you know in aviation they quite often just have a simple like fibreglass prototype and it's completely you know um abs abstract from
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: the final product, but they use it as a kind of a context to sort
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: of walk around and puzzle and
  Anna Goto: And point
  Dora Tolston: and
  Anna Goto: at?
  Dora Tolston: point and discuss
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: and and and in a way everybody's as we discuss things in the in theoretically and out of our notebooks, we're just we're actually just each of us discussing something that's in each of our own minds. It wasn't until we had
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: this here, you know, like at one point I peeked across and looked at Craig's paper and I'm like, now I know what he's thinking 'cause I
  Anna Goto: Ah.
  Dora Tolston: saw his book. But the b the b whiteboard could've actually been this kind of continuing um
  Anna Goto: So do you think producing a prototype earlier in the process woulda been a good idea?
  Dora Tolston: Think could be, yeah.
  Erin Fowler: I think um the the focus of it a lot was the PowerPoint as opposed
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: to the to the
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: whiteboard, and
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: I think that m um
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: is also does
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, yeah.
  Erin Fowler: you know hinder us and things I think.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: It will be cooler to have the whiteboard rather
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: than the the PowerPoint, or
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: maybe the whiteboard and the PowerPoint in the same place,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: you know in the centre of
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: the
  Dora Tolston: because the PowerPoint was provided to us while we had time to prepare, whereas I can imagine if I'd been encouraged to use Paintbrush, for example,
  Anna Goto: Alright.
  Dora Tolston: or whatever, I would've actually used it, um 'ca you know, just 'cause that's sorta how we what we were set up to to use while we had our time.
  Anna Goto: Okay
  Erin Fowler: I
  Anna Goto: uh
  Erin Fowler: think that there were too many PowerPoints in the meetings.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: 'Cause the plug-in
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: and the plugging spent we spent
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: a lot of time doing that. And a
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: lot of the information on the PowerPoints, I don't think, you know, we needed to
  Dora Tolston: No,
  Erin Fowler: actually it could have,
  Dora Tolston: not
  Erin Fowler: we
  Dora Tolston: quite.
  Erin Fowler: could have gone through it verbally, especially
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: my slides, I felt that
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: they just
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: you know as opposed to having
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: to present them.
  Anna Goto: What about the digital pens, did you find them easy enough to use?
  Allene Bracco: Oh they're a
  Dora Tolston: Sure,
  Allene Bracco: bit clunky.
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: Yep clunky. Agreed.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah. Yep.
  Anna Goto: Clunky, okay.
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Anna Goto: Um
  Erin Fowler: Having to tick it before you go off was a bit hindering as well,
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: 'cause you're
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: half way through a thought, and then you run out of paper and then you have to jump.
  Anna Goto: I know, I think
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: at the very start of today I like wrote a whole load of stuff, didn't click note on one, then went back and wrote one tiny wee thing on the another page, but then did click note,
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: and so I'm quite worried that I've just written over the top
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: of it
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Anna Goto: or something,
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: but they'll have my paper anyway um
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: and haven't done that
  Erin Fowler: But I
  Anna Goto: since.
  Erin Fowler: think the pen is v is very intuitive, everybody knows how to use it, we don't
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: have
  Anna Goto: Yeah,
  Erin Fowler: to worry.
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: So
  Anna Goto: yeah.
  Erin Fowler: I think the pen's good.
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: It's about the best thing.
  Dora Tolston: And o on the topic of the technology, it just occurred to Dora Tolston that we actually didn't need to move our computers because each computer has all of the files.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: It just occurred to Dora Tolston that they
  Erin Fowler: Yeah
  Dora Tolston: all
  Erin Fowler: we only needed one computer
  Dora Tolston: We only actually
  Erin Fowler: and
  Dora Tolston: needed one computer.
  Anna Goto: Yeah,
  Dora Tolston: If there
  Anna Goto: that's
  Dora Tolston: had been
  Anna Goto: true.
  Dora Tolston: a fifth, that coulda
  Allene Bracco: Good
  Dora Tolston: just
  Allene Bracco: point.
  Dora Tolston: been sitting there ready to go the whole
  Erin Fowler: And
  Dora Tolston: time.
  Erin Fowler: the computer may not um be conducive to a meeting because
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: um you tend to look at your computer and wanna have
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: the urge to check something,
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: you know, it's useful but
  Anna Goto: Do you think the computers just provide distraction in a meeting?
  Erin Fowler: I think too many computers are just
  Allene Bracco: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: distracting.
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: Um
  Anna Goto: I know I I like to have things written down in front of Dora Tolston actually,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: like a lot of the stuff that was emailed
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Anna Goto: to Dora Tolston I ended up you know like
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: writing down there
  Erin Fowler: Yep.
  Anna Goto: or something so I could look at it
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: really quickly and not have the distraction of all of that, um I don't know about anybody
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: else. Um what else uh any wh I do I'm not really sure what they're looking for when they say new ideas found. Um
  Allene Bracco: Is this
  Anna Goto: I don't
  Allene Bracco: for
  Anna Goto: know
  Allene Bracco: the project
  Anna Goto: is could you think of like
  Allene Bracco: or
  Anna Goto: anything else that would have been helpful today at all?
  Dora Tolston: Well, the w main one for Dora Tolston is that uh the process na in a natural f context would not have been interrupted by this necessity to discommunicate ourselves
  Anna Goto: Mm.
  Dora Tolston: from each other. So,
  Anna Goto: Yeah if we just
  Dora Tolston: that's
  Anna Goto: had
  Dora Tolston: kind
  Anna Goto: uh
  Dora Tolston: of a new idea for Dora Tolston is like just sort of that idea, well you know it's kind of s hard to keep f working forward on a team a team based project
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Dora Tolston: when when you're told you must now work away from your team.
  Anna Goto: Yeah I I dunno I think it was quite good that we had time limits on the meetings because they really could have run on and like my experience
  Dora Tolston: Oh
  Anna Goto: with meetings
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Anna Goto: is that they really do, and
  Dora Tolston: Yeah,
  Anna Goto: you can spend a lot
  Dora Tolston: yeah.
  Anna Goto: of time talking about The only thing is though like when we had our meeting about the conceptual design, I thought there maybe another fifteen minutes would have been useful there but
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Anna Goto: um
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: yeah. I really thi i I think maybe if we'd like all been working in the one room, and they just said you know like every hour or something everybody make sure yo you know
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: just have a have a short meeting and then just
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: c just to have like something written down,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: just like you know a a milestone if you like um rather than having meetings, but There you
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: go. Um so in closing, I haven't got my five minutes to go. Thin Oh there it i Five minutes to go. Wonderful. Okay um are the costs within the budget, yes they are. And is the project evaluated, yes it is. So now celebrate.
  Dora Tolston: Great. So
  Erin Fowler: And we
  Dora Tolston: it
  Erin Fowler: have Ninja Homer.
  Dora Tolston: So now
  Allene Bracco: Oh
  Dora Tolston: we
  Allene Bracco: yeah.
  Anna Goto: Well apparently now I write the final report.
  Allene Bracco: Do we know what
  Anna Goto: What
  Allene Bracco: the
  Anna Goto: are you
  Allene Bracco: other
  Anna Goto: guys
  Allene Bracco: ones are?
  Anna Goto: doing now?
  Dora Tolston: I I don't know.
  Anna Goto: You dunno?
  Allene Bracco: Oh wow.
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: That is lovely.
  Allene Bracco: Hey yeah, I said Ninja Homer.
  Dora Tolston: What did you call it?
  Erin Fowler: Ninja Homer. See it looks like Homer Simpson
  Dora Tolston: Huh, huh.
  Erin Fowler: but it's
  Anna Goto: So
  Erin Fowler: electronic
  Anna Goto: is that j
  Erin Fowler: so it's made
  Anna Goto: is that
  Erin Fowler: in
  Dora Tolston: Logo.
  Erin Fowler: Japan.
  Anna Goto: just is that just a logo or does it do anything?
  Erin Fowler: Yeah it's just a logo.
  Anna Goto: Just a logo and
  Dora Tolston: Huh.
  Anna Goto: then like Ninja
  Erin Fowler: Ninja
  Anna Goto: Homer,
  Erin Fowler: Homer.
  Anna Goto: right okay.
  Dora Tolston: Mm.
  Erin Fowler: The the red is supposed to represent the whatever else you wanna print on the side of it.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: I think it's
  Dora Tolston: Fashion
  Anna Goto: quite nice.
  Dora Tolston: technology or something.
  Erin Fowler: You can wear Homer, you can throw Homer when you're frustrated, doh.
  Dora Tolston: Hmm, hmm, hmm.
  Anna Goto: Oh no, that's cool, it's got I'm kind
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: of
  Erin Fowler: It's
  Anna Goto: I'm
  Erin Fowler: clunky.
  Anna Goto: slightly gutted that we couldn't get plastic and rubber, I think that would have been nice.
  Dora Tolston: Yeah, yeah.
  Anna Goto: Ah well, maybe from now on real reaction
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: should give us more money.
  Erin Fowler: Oh,
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Erin Fowler: I did learn something new, Play-Doh is useful.
  Anna Goto: Play-Doh
  Erin Fowler: No
  Anna Goto: s
  Erin Fowler: it is it is. It is useful and in
  Dora Tolston: Huh.
  Erin Fowler: in in in in in in um
  Dora Tolston: Huh.
  Erin Fowler: conceptualizing, in being creative.
  Anna Goto: Really?
  Erin Fowler: 'Cause like you say, it's something you can put your hands on and feel and touch
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: and get a sense for. Like we were playing with the Play-Doh and the ideas came with the Play-Doh
  Anna Goto: Did they?
  Erin Fowler: rather than with everything else. You might wanna write that
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: down. It's just,
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: I'm just fiddling with the Play-Doh, and I'm going yeah
  Anna Goto: Play-Doh.
  Erin Fowler: yeah it's kinda
  Dora Tolston: No,
  Erin Fowler: cool.
  Dora Tolston: it's true, yeah.
  Allene Bracco: Guess I'd forgot how good s Play-Doh smells.
  Dora Tolston: Hmm.
  Anna Goto: Yeah, it smells funny doesn't it.
  Dora Tolston: And
  Anna Goto: Um
  Dora Tolston: some Play-Dohs are actually I think edible aren't they?
  Erin Fowler: No,
  Anna Goto: Yeah
  Erin Fowler: all
  Anna Goto: like
  Erin Fowler: Play-Doh
  Anna Goto: the stuff
  Erin Fowler: is
  Anna Goto: for
  Allene Bracco: I
  Erin Fowler: edible.
  Allene Bracco: think they're all non-toxic
  Anna Goto: I think
  Allene Bracco: 'cause
  Anna Goto: it has
  Allene Bracco: it's aimed
  Anna Goto: to
  Allene Bracco: for like
  Anna Goto: be, yeah.
  Allene Bracco: two-year-olds.
  Erin Fowler: It's just wheat, it's the stuff that your mom could make with preservatives and uh
  Dora Tolston: Wow,
  Anna Goto: Yeah
  Dora Tolston: hmm.
  Anna Goto: um so to wha what are your summarising words about Play-Doh?
  Erin Fowler: It's helpful to the creative
  Dora Tolston: Huh.
  Erin Fowler: process. Um
  Anna Goto: Okay.
  Erin Fowler: it engages all your senses not just your sight, but your sense
  Dora Tolston: Yep.
  Erin Fowler: of feel your sense of touch. And
  Dora Tolston: Taste.
  Erin Fowler: it helps you to understand dimension as well. I think that
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: that's very helpful because
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: it it starts to pop up, whereas on a piece of paper, on a computer, on
  Anna Goto: Yeah.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: a board,
  Dora Tolston: yep.
  Erin Fowler: um
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Erin Fowler: even with a three D_ graphic thing it still, it requires
  Allene Bracco: Yeah
  Erin Fowler: a
  Allene Bracco: it's not
  Erin Fowler: lot
  Allene Bracco: very
  Erin Fowler: of
  Dora Tolston: Yeah.
  Allene Bracco: tangible.
  Erin Fowler: yeah
  Anna Goto: Mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: tangible,
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: that's a nice
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm,
  Erin Fowler: word.
  Dora Tolston: mm-hmm.
  Erin Fowler: It becomes tangible.
  Dora Tolston: Mm-hmm.
  Anna Goto: Tangible. Okay uh Mm. I don't know if there's anything else
  Erin Fowler: Nope.
  Anna Goto: we needed to discuss. That that's about it really. Just sit still I guess for a little while.
  Dora Tolston: Do we retreat to our, to continue our
  Erin Fowler: I think we
  Anna Goto: Um
  Erin Fowler: could probably do
  Dora Tolston: r
  Erin Fowler: it here
  Dora Tolston: reporting
  Erin Fowler: as long as we
  Dora Tolston: or
  Erin Fowler: don't
  Dora Tolston: what i
  Anna Goto: Well
  Erin Fowler: collaborate.
  Anna Goto: I dunno. Um I'm sure the little uh the little thing'll pop up any minute now.
  Erin Fowler: Can we turn off the microphones?
  Anna Goto: Yeah, yeah if the meeting's over then yeah I guess so.
Updated Content: Anna Goto recapped the decisions made in the previous meeting and two team members presented their prototype and discussed the features the prototype contained. The team then looked at the production costs of the remote and had to decide which features to retain or lose in order to maintain the target cost. In maintaining the target cost, the team had to lose a number of features which they originally wanted, such as a kinetic battery, an LCD display, and various color options. The team then evaluated the prototype on the basis of its appearance, technological innovation, and spongy quality. The prototype did fairly well in the evaluation. The team then conducted an evaluation of the project process. The team felt that their creativity was hindered by the project budget and their inability to discuss the project outside of their meetings and that the structure of the task did not foster teamwork.