Extracted Content: Willie Brand: Here we go again.
  Willie Villegas: My mouse is not working anymore.
  Willie Brand: Oh.
  Michael Treece: Oh.
  Willie Villegas: uh
  Willie Brand: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: when I put it in, is is going to beep beep beep.
  Michael Treece: Oh, I got a nice little screen over here. I got like this big black border uh on every side.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: Mm, okay.
  James Jarvis: Everybody ready?
  Michael Treece: I'll I'll fix it.
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: Welcome
  Michael Treece: whatever.
  James Jarvis: at the
  Willie Brand: it's okay.
  James Jarvis: functional design, again presented by Maarten. Uh this is the agenda, the opening. Uh, we've got three presentations. And I'm gonna show you some of the new projects requirements that were sent to Michael Treece. And we're gonna make a decision on the remote control functions. We have uh forty minutes.
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: Oh, well this is the the closing already. So uh well we start off with the th the first presentation then. think
  Willie Brand: Okay.
  James Jarvis: um in we have to do it in uh in right order. Maybe the
  Michael Treece: I don't know what the right order is. So
  James Jarvis: Well,
  Willie Brand: No.
  James Jarvis: it
  Willie Villegas: Huh.
  James Jarvis: Oh that. It won't doesn't Maybe we should start with the the technical functions.
  Willie Villegas: Okay, how
  James Jarvis: Yeah?
  Willie Villegas: can I get this on the
  James Jarvis: Well it's you
  Willie Villegas: whiteboard?
  James Jarvis: dumped the file in the
  Willie Brand: In project.
  James Jarvis: uh
  Willie Villegas: Okay,
  James Jarvis: in the sh in the project
  Willie Villegas: I've done
  James Jarvis: document
  Willie Villegas: that.
  James Jarvis: folder. You've already done that?
  Willie Brand: No
  Willie Villegas: Yes.
  Willie Brand: can that open.
  James Jarvis: Well let's close this one. We'll just uh open a new
  Willie Brand: Open
  James Jarvis: one.
  Willie Brand: it there.
  James Jarvis: Uh, well. Yes. Uh-oh. New thing. Oh yeah, uh I have to say something. Uh, due to some uh technical problems I haven't uh digitized the last uh the meeting minutes. But
  Michael Treece: Mm-hmm.
  James Jarvis: I'll uh make sure that uh happens next time.
  Willie Brand: Okay. About the
  James Jarvis: And
  Willie Brand: get
  James Jarvis: I'll get this one uh in digital uh form too.
  Willie Villegas: 'Kay, we're going to um uh talk about working design. Um, the method of the remote control is uh electrical energy, it activates a chip uh in the remote.
  Willie Villegas: the television. Mm, it's a nowadays very uh known, a known uh uh technology. Um, the known technology can make a cost very low. Uh, it's a wild uh a wide sale uh of uh remote controls in the world. And and the components are very uh very cheap. Um, Uh, diodes, uh bat batteries and uh uh LED lights, they're needed and they're uh everywhere available. Uh, again, it's a fair price. It's a common uh technology uh, like I told um Uh, the circuit board, it's the most um important uh um part of the remote control. Uh, we can use for that uh fibreglass with copper wires, it's it is uh can be made as fast as printing paper. It's uh it's
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: all very uh Yeah, they're making it uh all the time. Uh,
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: and it's not uh very specialised uh technology. I haven't come to here, but um I've got uh some uh images of uh remote controls. They were not uh very uh trendy or just uh just a remote control like everyone knows. So I don't know uh why I should put it here. Uh
  James Jarvis: Okay. But it's the technical side of the remote control.
  Willie Villegas: Yes, but uh I uh haven't made it
  James Jarvis: Oh.
  Willie Villegas: because uh of the time.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: Well, we'll we'll have to skip that part then.
  Willie Villegas: What?
  Willie Brand: Okay.
  James Jarvis: But you don't think it's a problem um to design uh the technical part of the remote control?
  Willie Villegas: No.
  James Jarvis: It's gonna be easy?
  Willie Villegas: Yes.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: But nothing restricted for user interface?
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: With
  Willie Villegas: Um,
  Willie Brand: technical
  James Jarvis: M
  Willie Villegas: no,
  Willie Brand: I don't know.
  Willie Villegas: it's uh
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: it's just a part of uh a known technology, yeah.
  Willie Brand: 'Kay.
  Willie Villegas: Remote control is nothing special nowadays.
  James Jarvis: R
  Willie Brand: Okay.
  James Jarvis: regardless of what type of functions we want to implement. Doesn't really matter.
  Willie Villegas: Um
  Willie Brand: But I kind of
  Willie Villegas: I don't
  Willie Brand: uh
  Willie Villegas: think so,
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: because of
  Willie Brand: Yes.
  Willie Villegas: the all
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Villegas: the
  James Jarvis: okay.
  Willie Villegas: televisions uh
  Willie Brand: Uh
  Willie Villegas: there are a few maybe a couple of televisions with the new functions,
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Villegas: but is it useful to put them on a on a standard uh remote?
  James Jarvis: Well, we'll see. We'll see later on.
  Willie Brand: Well, the technical functions. Um, well I don't know if you got the same uh pictures as I got,
  James Jarvis: No.
  Willie Brand: but
  Willie Villegas: No.
  Willie Brand: uh I got these two, and I think they're we have to focus uh on uh the uh one hand the expert view or the novice user. th I think it's it's very much uh depending on the user requirements, I don't s uh know who's doing
  James Jarvis: Well, uh will
  Willie Brand: t
  James Jarvis: there be some uh user requirements later on?
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: The ones
  Willie Brand: but it
  James Jarvis: I I've uh received
  Willie Brand: I think
  James Jarvis: from
  Willie Brand: that's
  James Jarvis: the account
  Willie Brand: very
  James Jarvis: manager.
  Willie Brand: important to watch
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: uh what kind of functions there we want to uh put in a remote control.
  James Jarvis: Well, we'll keep this in mind, and then discuss it later on.
  Willie Brand: Yeah, well y we can put functions in it when uh yeah, when we uh get the user requirements
  James Jarvis: Uh-huh.
  Willie Brand: uh and we can
  James Jarvis: Okay,
  Willie Brand: update
  James Jarvis: but this
  Willie Brand: it.
  James Jarvis: real this uh big d uh distinction between this type of remote. we should we should choose one uh we should not compromise but uh really choose for uh expert
  Michael Treece: Yes,
  James Jarvis: viewer or novice
  Michael Treece: I agree.
  James Jarvis: v
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: Yeah? Well, what that's what you want trying to say.
  Willie Brand: Well, yeah w if you want try a a a huge market, if you want to reach a huge market, uh like elderly people and we have to choose for
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: novice user.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: But I don't know. It's it's really um
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: depending
  James Jarvis: well
  Willie Brand: on how
  James Jarvis: some
  Willie Brand: how
  James Jarvis: of
  Willie Brand: how
  James Jarvis: these
  Willie Brand: far
  James Jarvis: Uh, yeah.
  Willie Brand: the the the remote controls are already in n um
  James Jarvis: Well, some
  Willie Brand: in
  James Jarvis: of
  Willie Brand: use.
  James Jarvis: that will Yeah, but i but it will be more clear when we come to the uh u uh some of the new requirements.
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  Willie Brand: probably,
  James Jarvis: So
  Willie Brand: yeah. Uh well, there are l at least uh basic functions, uh like just th the channels uh one till nine, uh on and off switch, which must be clear with a red button or something like that. Um, most standard uh have volume, of course, and a mute function, and, of course, the next and previous channel. I think that's just basic what we need.
  James Jarvis: Mm-hmm.
  Willie Brand: And from that on we can user requirements what we need more. Uh Yeah, I just um um I thought Joost was looking at the trendy the trends in the markets,
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  Willie Brand: and I don't know if there uh are any um uh if you put more functions, more buttons, maybe it's com becoming less trendy or something like that. M you can just
  Michael Treece: I haven't really found a
  Willie Brand: you
  Michael Treece: conclusion
  Willie Brand: can k
  Michael Treece: like that.
  Willie Brand: you can keep it in mind that.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: I don't know. Uh, I th I thought the the with less buttons you can make a more trendier uh
  Michael Treece: Design.
  Willie Brand: yeah, more trendier design, I think. I think.
  Michael Treece: Sounds interesting.
  Willie Brand: Yeah? Uh, well, that's all I have to say, I think.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: Yeah, that
  Michael Treece: Alright.
  Willie Brand: was it.
  James Jarvis: Well, then Michael Treece can uh
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: tell us something about the current market.
  Michael Treece: Yeah. It's alright. Um
  Michael Treece: Alright, done some requirements. Um yes. The working method um there were hundred uh uh w h one hundred people, uh how do you say uh, f watched using remote controls in the usability lab and they also uh filled out a questionnaire uh with a few questions. Uh, I've lined them up here. Uh, ask whether um common remote control looks good or not, about willingness to spend money on remote control, about zapping behaviour, and uh and stuff like that. I uh have found some interesting things. We do we do got a market. Um, three out of four people claim m uh to find remote controls ugly. So if we make a trendy design, we sure have seventy fi seventy five percent of the market, which you can reach. Um, three out of four users uh zaps a lot, as I uh quoted here from the uh results. Zap buttons are used one hundred and sixty eight times per hour. That's quite a lot. Um, relevant options are, of course, power buttons. Although, only used once per hour. Uh, channel selection, volume and buttons for text, and the more um, yeah, other functions, like audio settings, video settings, sound settings are not said to be very important and uh very much used. Furthermore, fifty percent says uh they only use ten percent of the buttons on a remote control. That doesn't say we got we can leave ninety percent off. But it sure um says we shouldn't make it too uh complicated. Fifty percent also claims uh to have lost a remote control very often in the room. And um an important thing here, the most important customers uh, which is over seventy percent of our market, is in the age range of thirty six to sixty five years old. And uh elderly people, our market, are less interested in uh nice features, but more willingly to spend more money on remote controls. So, what I was thinking oh, wrong side. We shouldn't implement too much features on uh on our remote control, because elderly people will get th lost. Group features for a higher usability, uh what I was claiming in the previous meeting. Um, all the settings, about audio settings, video settings and channel settings, which are not very often used, we could group them uh on one button and make them accessible uh in one menu button or whatever, because they are used very rarely and well, it uh there are a lot of options there, so we can really make uh yeah, how do you say, we can spare at buttons over there.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Michael Treece: And um, if you want to implement V_C_R_ and D_V_D_ options, group them in the button, not too uh Yeah. Small buttons, so they won't be very um, how do you say
  James Jarvis: Visually presents.
  Michael Treece: Yes, won't be very present, thank you. And a trendy look, well uh, although seventy percent of the market is uh consists of elderly people uh who don't really care for trendy looks or whatever, I guess it can do no harm to make it trendy for the other thirty percent. That was kind of what I found.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: Okay.
  Michael Treece: Okay.
  James Jarvis: Well, then we I'm gonna show you some of the new project requirements and then we gonna discuss on uh
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: what features we find important. Uh, well some of the uh new requirements make some of your findings quite uh irrelevant, I think. Because um uh s decided to put They have decide to put two additional requirements forward. Well, now I see
  Michael Treece: Two?
  James Jarvis: four. That's kinda strange. Well, they say tele teletext becomes outdated since the popularity of the internet. Well, I think
  Willie Brand: Well
  James Jarvis: that may be so, but well, we can't just leave the teletext button off.
  Michael Treece: No
  James Jarvis: It's impossible,
  Willie Brand: No
  Michael Treece: uh,
  Willie Brand: way.
  James Jarvis: I
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: think.
  Michael Treece: agree, I agree.
  James Jarvis: So the compromise we could make is just to make one teletext button, you know, like on and off, and don't make a lot of special put a lot of special features on it to
  Michael Treece: Not too
  James Jarvis: make
  Michael Treece: much,
  James Jarvis: it transparent
  Michael Treece: no.
  James Jarvis: or You know, it's just you want you want to be able to make use of teletext, but not to play with it that much.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: So we have to think of that. The remote control should only be used for television. Otherwise, the project becomes more complex, which endangers the time t t ma uh the time to market. So maybe we should leave all D_V_D_ and V_C_R_ related features
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: off completely.
  Michael Treece: Okay.
  James Jarvis: I don't know. I think that uh that's what they're trying to say. Uh, our current customers are within the age group of forty plus. New products should reach a new market with customers that are younger than forty. So you uh talked about the elderly who were willing
  Michael Treece: Mm-hmm.
  James Jarvis: to spend more on a remote control and who were interested. But, well, they're not relevant because we are aiming at a younger
  Michael Treece: I don't really agree actually, to be honest. It's a very small market which we will approach then if we uh want to reach customers younger than forty. It's only like thirty percent of the total market.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but it is
  Michael Treece: Mayb
  James Jarvis: it's
  Michael Treece: yeah?
  James Jarvis: is a dif it's a fact that the th th that bigger market you're talking about, we already cover that. Our company already sells remote control to the older people, but we we also want, you know, a new customer group. That's the one we haven't covered yet. So I think that's what the problem is. We haven't
  Michael Treece: Okay.
  James Jarvis: got remote controls for uh Well
  Michael Treece: Maybe
  James Jarvis: I think, yeah.
  Michael Treece: maybe we can compromise a little
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: bit.
  James Jarvis: I think so. Maybe if
  Michael Treece: Not
  James Jarvis: it's
  Michael Treece: too much then, bu
  James Jarvis: no no,
  Michael Treece: alright.
  James Jarvis: but I think we have to just keep in mind what the older age group wants. So maybe we can make a remote control that's primarily interesting for the younger group, but isn't that bad for an older person either.
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: Uh, our corporate image sh should stay recognisable in our products. Okay, something else nice to
  Willie Brand: But
  James Jarvis: know.
  Willie Brand: what's our slogan?
  James Jarvis: Sorry? Yeah,
  Willie Brand: The slogan uh
  James Jarvis: you will have to look that up.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, I'll have a look. We
  James Jarvis: I
  Michael Treece: put
  James Jarvis: think it's
  Michael Treece: the
  Willie Brand: Puts
  James Jarvis: something
  Michael Treece: fashion
  Willie Brand: fashion
  James Jarvis: about
  Willie Brand: in
  Michael Treece: in
  James Jarvis: the
  Michael Treece: electronics.
  Willie Brand: electronics.
  James Jarvis: Oh, okay. I thought it w might be, let's make things better or something, but
  Michael Treece: Sense
  Willie Brand: Sense
  Michael Treece: and simplicity.
  Willie Brand: simplicity.
  James Jarvis: Okay well, let's go back to the the agenda. So we've now had to the three presentations. We know about the new project requirements. That means we can uh well d yeah, discuss on the remote control functions. Well, if I can uh make a start, I think it's becoming more clear what kind of remote control it's gonna be, and I already talked about the maybe you have a f familiar with the rem remote control that has the the can opener underneath it. I think we're we're looking for some Yeah, we we're looking for a really simple remote control with only basic T_V_ functions. Y
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: Well,
  James Jarvis: well,
  Michael Treece: to
  James Jarvis: that
  Michael Treece: be honest, if um our uh aim group is uh till forty, not
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: older than forty, maybe that's not very uh yeah, we don't really need
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: to have a simple remote control. I think we can implement more functions then, because um
  Willie Brand: Yeah, but
  Michael Treece: basically
  Willie Brand: wha
  Michael Treece: uh the younger people are more able to adapt to new technology and therefore
  James Jarvis: Yeah, yeah. M
  Michael Treece: will be a more
  James Jarvis: yeah, that's
  Willie Brand: But
  James Jarvis: why um well a lot of um the use the requirements the the account manager sent Michael Treece, I think they are are c are contradicting each other, because they want a simpler design,
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: and no uh other uh s functions than just T_V_, but they s do aim at a younger
  Willie Brand: Yeah, but you
  James Jarvis: Well,
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: sai
  James Jarvis: ma
  Willie Brand: you said that that a lot of functions aren't used. So why should j we put this function in?
  Michael Treece: Well,
  Willie Brand: I
  Michael Treece: I
  Willie Brand: think
  Michael Treece: think
  Willie Brand: more I think uh people younger people are more looking for just a trendy look than uh more functions.
  James Jarvis: But I think uh you we can make some discuss uh distinctions in uh what kin in the, know, th th in functions you have Y Well you have different kind of uh equipment in your room, like a t
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: T_V_ and a D_V_D_ player. You can uh, know, you you can make very d you can put very detailed functions regarding the T_V_ set on your remote control uh with the with uh the, you know, audio settings and uh v uh screen settings. We don't want that. I think that was that became clear. We don't want. But w maybe we should put some func uh, I know that the younger people will most likely have a D_V_D_ player they want to, you know, they want to
  Michael Treece: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: uh
  Willie Brand: Yeah, but
  Michael Treece: control.
  Willie Brand: uh you
  James Jarvis: control,
  Willie Brand: said Yeah,
  James Jarvis: remotely.
  Willie Brand: d yeah, but th the functions are not in the remote control we're making.
  James Jarvis: No, yeah, th
  Willie Brand: It's
  James Jarvis: th the
  Willie Brand: n
  James Jarvis: user requirements of the the The new project requirements told
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: us not to But maybe w Yeah.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: I think we maybe should Yeah, well we should uh put some functions for other maybe for other equipment on it. But just the basic functions. Maybe like rewind and wind, or n what d what
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: do
  Michael Treece: Not
  Willie Villegas: you
  James Jarvis: you
  Willie Villegas: can
  James Jarvis: guys
  Michael Treece: much
  Willie Villegas: put
  Michael Treece: more
  James Jarvis: think?
  Willie Villegas: them
  Michael Treece: than
  Willie Villegas: under
  Michael Treece: that.
  Willie Villegas: the same button.
  Michael Treece: Yep.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, if as far as possible.
  Michael Treece: Or we can u u we could put 'em behind the flip-flap or whatever. So
  James Jarvis: But what
  Michael Treece: t
  James Jarvis: do you think? Do th should we implement features that uh uh or functions that to control other devices?
  Willie Brand: No.
  James Jarvis: No, you don't think
  Willie Brand: No,
  James Jarvis: so?
  Willie Brand: new requirements say
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: no.
  James Jarvis: the new requirements say so.
  Willie Brand: So
  Willie Villegas: But you can put a play and stop and and
  James Jarvis: Well, maybe
  Willie Villegas: rewind.
  James Jarvis: it's maybe
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: there
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: there there is
  Willie Brand: but
  James Jarvis: something th m most of the time these functions don't support the particular device as well as their their own remote control. You know, a lot of D_V_D_ players have some tricky
  Willie Villegas: Yes, but
  James Jarvis: settings
  Willie Villegas: we
  Michael Treece: Y yes.
  James Jarvis: with
  Willie Brand: I i if it's too simple uh th they won't use the remote control,
  James Jarvis: Yep,
  Willie Brand: they
  James Jarvis: exactly.
  Willie Brand: use their own th th with
  James Jarvis: That's
  Willie Brand: lot
  James Jarvis: that's
  Willie Brand: more
  Michael Treece: But
  James Jarvis: wha
  Willie Brand: functions.
  Michael Treece: but for for example, V_C_R_, that's better example in this case.
  James Jarvis: No no, you
  Willie Brand: No,
  James Jarvis: don't
  Willie Brand: no.
  Willie Villegas: Huh.
  James Jarvis: No no, you
  Willie Brand: Exactly.
  James Jarvis: don't need it. No, no.
  Michael Treece: just play, stop, rewind and uh fast
  James Jarvis: Okay,
  Michael Treece: forward.
  James Jarvis: but we have to think uh w we have to think D_V_D_ I th
  Michael Treece: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: uh,
  Michael Treece: I know, but
  James Jarvis: I
  Michael Treece: uh
  James Jarvis: guess, so um but uh from my experience it's kinda a lot of D_V_D_ players, you know, like forwarding, goes differently. Uh, you get two speed or eight speed or sixteen speed.
  Willie Brand: Mm, yeah.
  James Jarvis: It's c sometimes a bit difficult. Maybe if we just leave the D_V_D_ functional m uh Well, I was thinking about putting it in, but concerning the project requirements and what you just
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: said, I
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: think we m
  Willie Brand: but just
  James Jarvis: should focus on the T_V_ then.
  Willie Brand: keep it simple and look more at
  James Jarvis: And
  Willie Brand: th
  James Jarvis: uh and it's just an uh a complimentary remote and not a universal one. If you want to
  Willie Brand: No.
  James Jarvis: keep it simple, you can make a universal remote.
  Willie Brand: It's only for television.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: So
  Willie Villegas: Yes,
  James Jarvis: It's
  Willie Villegas: but
  James Jarvis: just
  Willie Villegas: there are
  James Jarvis: a s it
  Willie Villegas: there
  James Jarvis: it should
  Willie Villegas: are
  James Jarvis: be something that is like a gadget on your coffee table, and it's just for when you you you jump on the couch, you pick up the
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: the the nice remote, the simple one, just
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: to put on the television,
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: nothing more.
  Willie Brand: nothing more.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: Exactly.
  Michael Treece: Alright.
  James Jarvis: Um, but
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: what
  Willie Villegas: how wi how
  James Jarvis: televis
  Willie Villegas: will you be able to handle a whole market? There are uh a dozen of uh dozens of of remote controls
  James Jarvis: Yeah, we
  Willie Villegas: that
  James Jarvis: we'll
  Willie Villegas: have
  James Jarvis: make w this one trendy.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: And
  Willie Brand: The
  James Jarvis: simple. Well,
  Willie Brand: user
  James Jarvis: we we
  Willie Brand: interface
  James Jarvis: will come to that,
  Willie Brand: is
  James Jarvis: but
  Willie Brand: easy.
  James Jarvis: ju first on the on the functions. So we should put uh zap buttons on it. Um, also
  Willie Brand: And the
  James Jarvis: numbers,
  Willie Brand: basic
  James Jarvis: to uh to
  Willie Brand: yeah,
  James Jarvis: go to
  Willie Brand: basic
  James Jarvis: the specific
  Willie Brand: functions,
  Michael Treece: Yes,
  James Jarvis: channels.
  Willie Brand: yeah.
  Michael Treece: definitely, yeah.
  James Jarvis: Uh,
  Willie Brand: It's too much integrated
  James Jarvis: Okay,
  Willie Brand: in
  James Jarvis: a
  Willie Brand: the
  James Jarvis: t a
  Willie Brand: other.
  James Jarvis: teletext button should be there. But
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: just one big teletext button, on and off. Probably.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, and maybe two or three other options, but not nothing more than that. I think stop function is very useful. If you have a uh a page which consists of more pages, and you are not a very quick reader,
  James Jarvis: Oh,
  Michael Treece: then
  James Jarvis: okay.
  Michael Treece: I think it's very irritating if
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: the next
  James Jarvis: but uh
  Michael Treece: page
  James Jarvis: I think
  Michael Treece: shows
  James Jarvis: that
  Michael Treece: up,
  James Jarvis: becomes
  Michael Treece: but
  James Jarvis: too difficult, it's not a very common function and people
  Michael Treece: Well,
  James Jarvis: will have
  Michael Treece: I use
  James Jarvis: to read
  Michael Treece: it
  James Jarvis: up
  Michael Treece: very
  James Jarvis: on
  Michael Treece: regularly,
  James Jarvis: their remote
  Michael Treece: the action.
  James Jarvis: then.
  Michael Treece: I re I use it
  James Jarvis: Yeah, yeah, but maybe
  Michael Treece: quite often.
  James Jarvis: you s yeah yeah, maybe y you do, but
  Willie Brand: Will
  James Jarvis: I've never
  Willie Brand: you look
  James Jarvis: heard of it in the first place. And we have to well
  Willie Brand: Look at the market.
  James Jarvis: t yeah, and t and teletext is becoming outdated. We just want to see what programmes are on and what time it is probably. Yeah. I don't know. I think that that's kin getting too complex for our remote.
  Willie Brand: Well
  James Jarvis: I don't
  Michael Treece: Might
  James Jarvis: know what
  Michael Treece: be.
  James Jarvis: you
  Michael Treece: Might
  James Jarvis: th guys think.
  Michael Treece: be.
  Willie Brand: Yeah, I uh, it's Sunday I always use it for the uh yeah, for the soccer uh
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but do you like to have a such a s stop button? Or do you think it uh I think it's a kind of uh uh
  Willie Brand: Well,
  James Jarvis: very
  Willie Brand: uh
  James Jarvis: rare and
  Willie Brand: when
  James Jarvis: special
  Willie Brand: you uh
  James Jarvis: function.
  Willie Brand: uh when you look uh for example um, a couple of weeks ago I looked at the for the flights, and
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: there are a lot of flights
  James Jarvis: Okay,
  Willie Brand: in
  James Jarvis: it
  Willie Brand: one
  James Jarvis: goes
  Willie Brand: page,
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but
  Willie Brand: so
  James Jarvis: that's
  Willie Brand: if
  James Jarvis: kind of
  Willie Brand: if
  James Jarvis: stuff
  Willie Brand: th
  James Jarvis: we should do on the internet right now. That's
  Willie Villegas: Yes,
  James Jarvis: why
  Willie Villegas: but you
  James Jarvis: it was
  Willie Villegas: could
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: uh
  Willie Villegas: put
  James Jarvis: said
  Willie Brand: but
  James Jarvis: in the in the use in the r
  Willie Villegas: on
  James Jarvis: new requirements.
  Willie Villegas: the z on the zap buttons you can put it to uh to uh access all the same pages. If you have
  James Jarvis: Well
  Willie Villegas: seven
  James Jarvis: yeah uh,
  Willie Villegas: pages,
  James Jarvis: lots of
  Willie Villegas: you
  James Jarvis: new
  Willie Villegas: can
  James Jarvis: televisions
  Willie Villegas: go up and down.
  James Jarvis: can store pages, you know, and
  Willie Villegas: Yes.
  James Jarvis: then you can just skip manually through them using
  Willie Brand: True.
  James Jarvis: I think we should just put one teletext button on it. Then we meet uh the new requirements. we also meet the other thin y you sh you just re we have to choose for the the simple design, I
  Willie Brand: A simple
  James Jarvis: guess.
  Willie Brand: yeah.
  James Jarvis: Okay. Um, well, what functions do we have to decide on? Or do we uh I dunno if we have t stif specifically name all the functions we n we want. We have the zap and uh the volume. Should we do m make them very big? The the the zap button. D
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: d
  Michael Treece: think
  Willie Villegas: Yes.
  Michael Treece: the plus and the minus button
  James Jarvis: Th that's
  Michael Treece: should
  James Jarvis: that's
  Michael Treece: be uh
  James Jarvis: that's considered to be
  Willie Brand: But
  James Jarvis: trendy
  Michael Treece: quite present,
  James Jarvis: also.
  Willie Brand: trendy, yeah.
  Michael Treece: yep.
  Willie Brand: I don't
  James Jarvis: Or
  Willie Brand: know.
  James Jarvis: maybe you should place them on a uh,
  Willie Villegas: Maybe
  James Jarvis: in a special
  Willie Villegas: we can make
  James Jarvis: way?
  Willie Villegas: uh a kind of a joystick.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, something or uh somethin special way to to zap through the it has to s it has to be yeah,
  Willie Brand: Original.
  James Jarvis: and quick. You have
  Willie Brand: It was uh
  James Jarvis: to use it very quickly.
  Michael Treece: Yep.
  Willie Brand: True.
  Michael Treece: If you grab the remote, your hands should be on top
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: of the plus.
  James Jarvis: and it the buttons should make it um possible to to zap through your channels in a rapid at a rapid pace.
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: Oh, what should we decide on then? I
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: think in a in a case
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: of this simple remote control, the technical aspects which uh weren't worked out already, but it w shouldn't be a problem then.
  Willie Villegas: No, it's o just signals uh
  James Jarvis: Yep.
  Willie Brand: Maybe
  Willie Villegas: and
  Willie Brand: uh
  Willie Villegas: the television d uh does the rest.
  James Jarvis: No, okay, but we don't have to uh, when we don't want to uh control other devices, I think
  Willie Villegas: No.
  James Jarvis: it makes it even more simple.
  Willie Brand: Uh maybe we uh uh the batteries maybe. If you use large batteries or small batter batteries.
  Willie Villegas: The most
  James Jarvis: I think
  Willie Villegas: standard batteries.
  James Jarvis: I think
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: that
  Michael Treece: think
  James Jarvis: we
  Willie Brand: Yeah?
  James Jarvis: should
  Michael Treece: double
  James Jarvis: use
  Michael Treece: A_.
  James Jarvis: uh d yeah, not
  Michael Treece: Yep.
  James Jarvis: not uh the b the watch kind th the most uh Well, it has to be simple, and I
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: The
  James Jarvis: wi
  Michael Treece: most ordinary uh
  James Jarvis: Which are most likely
  Michael Treece: batteries.
  James Jarvis: to be found somewhere in
  Willie Brand: Okay.
  James Jarvis: the house, you know.
  Michael Treece: Yep.
  James Jarvis: Oh. How much time do we ha we have left uh? M
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: m
  Michael Treece: think
  James Jarvis: m more
  Michael Treece: about
  James Jarvis: than thirty
  Michael Treece: twenty minutes.
  James Jarvis: minutes? Uh ten twenty minutes.
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: Well,
  Willie Villegas: i
  Willie Brand: Early
  James Jarvis: uh these
  Willie Brand: break.
  James Jarvis: these shouldn't
  Willie Villegas: in a way we have to be uh uh special.
  James Jarvis: Yeah. Yeah, okay. But that's that's Do you uh have you have you think about tha thought about that? How we can what the extra touch can be.
  Willie Villegas: Maybe
  James Jarvis: Do you suggest
  Willie Villegas: th m
  James Jarvis: design or the shape or some gadget f f kind of feature or Well, it was something about how we lose them. Maybe it should be a remote control when you you clap you hands it makes some noise or some gadget kind of thing.
  Michael Treece: I think
  Willie Brand: To
  Michael Treece: that's
  Willie Brand: find
  Michael Treece: n
  Willie Brand: him.
  Michael Treece: that's more
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: for
  Willie Brand: That's
  Michael Treece: a
  Willie Brand: maybe yeah.
  Michael Treece: for an age range or uh ten to twelve or whatever.
  James Jarvis: I don't know. I don't know. Nah, um a lot of people like to have such kind kind of kind of gay kind of things. It w it w should be like a birthday present or something that you give
  Michael Treece: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: someone, and it is
  Michael Treece: yeah,
  James Jarvis: i
  Michael Treece: that's
  James Jarvis: has
  Michael Treece: good
  James Jarvis: something
  Michael Treece: one,
  James Jarvis: nice.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: yep.
  James Jarvis: Or maybe it w should have a big uh light that can flash or something on it, or maybe it should or an or the like the the can opener. Maybe it contains some feature that you don't normally link to a remote control. I think it's very impor because we're gonna make such a basic
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: remote control, we have to do something to make it special. It's gonna cost twenty five Euros.
  Michael Treece: Ye I think the can opener i is a brilliant idea actually, because
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: the
  Willie Brand: but
  James Jarvis: well,
  Michael Treece: television
  Willie Brand: that's
  James Jarvis: it's already been
  Michael Treece: and
  James Jarvis: done.
  Michael Treece: beer
  Willie Brand: yeah.
  Michael Treece: is not a rare combination.
  James Jarvis: Nah. Yeah, that's true. But and I think it's gonna be uh very uh it has to be sturdy or something, so maybe with
  Michael Treece: Yes.
  James Jarvis: with bouncing pads so that you can just throw it on the floor or something. it
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: has to be used something special,
  Michael Treece: Yep.
  James Jarvis: and you really it has to, you know y not s people, when they buy it, they have to think, well this one lasts for a long time. We're really gonna use them. Not some thing you you throw away next week, you know.
  Michael Treece: No, that's true.
  James Jarvis: So maybe uh that's i I think that's when uh when we decide on these type of functions, know, basic functions, uh it's very important to find something like this. So there's a very important task for you. And maybe we can all think
  Willie Brand: Be
  James Jarvis: about
  Willie Brand: original,
  James Jarvis: it.
  Willie Brand: yeah.
  James Jarvis: Uh, also for you maybe, when t you it's very nice when you can be entra when you can be trendy, and and
  Willie Brand: Mm-hmm.
  James Jarvis: uh and al as in a
  Willie Brand: And
  James Jarvis: friend
  Willie Brand: use
  James Jarvis: use
  Willie Brand: friendly,
  James Jarvis: friendly as well,
  Willie Brand: yeah.
  James Jarvis: you know. So
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: big buttons, flashy design,
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: and maybe some kind of gadget kind of thing.
  Willie Brand: Must
  James Jarvis: Uh-huh.
  Michael Treece: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: brain-storm.
  Michael Treece: a swapable front or whatever.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, or just different colours would be uh I don't know if people also wanna spend more money on fronts for their uh
  Willie Brand: Well
  Willie Villegas: For
  James Jarvis: remote
  Willie Villegas: the remote
  James Jarvis: control. It
  Willie Villegas: control.
  James Jarvis: could be be Yeah, you never know, but
  Willie Brand: Why not?
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: More money for us.
  James Jarvis: But it and
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: I think we have to make it quite big.
  Willie Brand: Quite big.
  Michael Treece: Yes,
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: you
  Michael Treece: definitely,
  Willie Brand: think?
  Michael Treece: definitely.
  Willie Villegas: That's
  James Jarvis: people
  Willie Villegas: to be uh
  James Jarvis: So,
  Willie Villegas: a
  James Jarvis: and and
  Willie Villegas: formed
  James Jarvis: also
  Willie Villegas: for
  James Jarvis: because
  Willie Villegas: your hand.
  James Jarvis: uh it is expensive. If you want it to be something, you know, it's ha doesn't have much functions want to be
  Michael Treece: Yes,
  James Jarvis: you
  Michael Treece: it
  James Jarvis: don't want to
  Michael Treece: it
  James Jarvis: get
  Michael Treece: it
  James Jarvis: it l
  Michael Treece: should be
  James Jarvis: make
  Michael Treece: f
  James Jarvis: it
  Michael Treece: be visible nearly anywhere in the room. As I uh as I said during my
  James Jarvis: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Treece: presentation, fifty percent
  James Jarvis: And
  Michael Treece: uh
  James Jarvis: shou and should ni
  Michael Treece: o
  James Jarvis: look nice when you put it on a table. I I think you m might wanna put it
  Willie Brand: A
  James Jarvis: uh
  Willie Brand: standard or
  James Jarvis: yeah,
  Willie Brand: something.
  James Jarvis: that it it it it stands up.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, you have to put it on its So it's like a vase or uh something you put on a table.
  Michael Treece: A face? Or uh yeah,
  James Jarvis: no
  Michael Treece: yeah.
  James Jarvis: no,
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  Willie Villegas: More
  James Jarvis: put
  Willie Villegas: like
  James Jarvis: stuff
  Willie Villegas: a joystick
  James Jarvis: inside it. But,
  Willie Villegas: then.
  James Jarvis: it's like like a statue or something
  Michael Treece: Yeah, yeah, I see what you
  Willie Brand: It's
  Michael Treece: mean,
  Willie Brand: like you have
  Michael Treece: yep.
  Willie Brand: uh four phones.
  James Jarvis: Yeah yeah, but
  Willie Brand: Something
  James Jarvis: yeah, but you
  Willie Brand: like that.
  James Jarvis: also can put it somewhere
  Michael Treece: If you do that, but
  James Jarvis: near
  Michael Treece: I don't
  James Jarvis: the window
  Michael Treece: know
  James Jarvis: in
  Michael Treece: if that's possible
  James Jarvis: That it's
  Michael Treece: within
  James Jarvis: it's
  Michael Treece: the
  James Jarvis: fashionable.
  Michael Treece: production cost of twelve and a half Euros.
  James Jarvis: I I don't
  Michael Treece: I in in the base we could like make uh a button, and if you push it, the remote control itself s makes noise.
  James Jarvis: Oh,
  Michael Treece: That's
  James Jarvis: yeah.
  Michael Treece: probably stupid, but uh as I found here uh, fifty percent, was it fifty?
  Willie Villegas: But that's
  Michael Treece: Uh
  Willie Villegas: that's
  Michael Treece: fifty
  Willie Villegas: fun
  Michael Treece: percent
  Willie Villegas: for the first time, and then
  Michael Treece: fifty
  Willie Villegas: the second
  Michael Treece: percent often loses remote control.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but but when you when it gets lost, how can you press the button to make
  Michael Treece: No
  James Jarvis: it
  Michael Treece: uh, of the base the the the
  James Jarvis: Oh,
  Michael Treece: the
  James Jarvis: okay.
  Michael Treece: the
  Willie Brand: On the television.
  Michael Treece: the the thing you put it in.
  Willie Brand: Oh, like
  James Jarvis: Uh,
  Willie Brand: this.
  James Jarvis: that's
  Michael Treece: If
  James Jarvis: kind
  Michael Treece: an
  James Jarvis: of nice.
  Michael Treece: a button in in that
  Willie Villegas: Or you
  James Jarvis: And
  Michael Treece: uh
  Willie Villegas: can
  James Jarvis: then also you don't even need batteries, because you can make it uh chargeable.
  Willie Brand: A char chargeable.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, you
  Willie Villegas: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: can
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: ma make rechargeable one, yeah.
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: Why
  James Jarvis: that
  Michael Treece: not.
  James Jarvis: w yeah, but yeah, the pro No, well I think that it might
  Willie Brand: Why
  James Jarvis: be
  Willie Brand: not.
  James Jarvis: t p Well, nee but we don't Yeah. Maybe you, but we don't know much about production cost, but when you you can imagine that when you spend twenty five Euros on a remote control and it's a basic
  Willie Villegas: With recharger.
  James Jarvis: remote control, then the then the money there must be money to spend on that kind of st you know, rechargeable
  Michael Treece: It should only
  James Jarvis: units.
  Michael Treece: cost twelve and a half Euros, of course. Aye?
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but we would d ma
  Willie Brand: Production.
  James Jarvis: we'd do it in Taiwan and So, it's not gonna be that expen
  Michael Treece: Yeah, okay.
  Willie Brand: It should be
  James Jarvis: Uh
  Willie Brand: possible.
  James Jarvis: I I think it's a great idea.
  Willie Brand: a good idea.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: S some kind of be
  Willie Brand: To make
  James Jarvis: I've
  Willie Brand: a
  James Jarvis: never
  Willie Brand: base
  James Jarvis: seen that
  Willie Brand: or
  James Jarvis: before,
  Willie Brand: something?
  James Jarvis: and you make it uh um be uh, you see it with uh the mo the mouses nowadays.
  Michael Treece: Yes. Yes, definitely. Yeah.
  Willie Villegas: Yes, but is that handy?
  James Jarvis: Well, I well it's really ch you can recharge it, so you ha never have the battery
  Willie Brand: It's
  James Jarvis: problem.
  Willie Brand: it's
  James Jarvis: That's
  Willie Brand: it's
  James Jarvis: one.
  Willie Brand: it's
  James Jarvis: And uh you can always
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: find
  Willie Brand: it's not
  James Jarvis: your
  Willie Villegas: but
  Willie Brand: the
  James Jarvis: remote
  Willie Brand: purpose
  James Jarvis: control
  Willie Villegas: remote
  Willie Brand: to
  James Jarvis: up
  Willie Brand: be handy,
  Willie Villegas: controls
  Willie Brand: it's
  Willie Villegas: remote controls nowadays can can last uh two years, three years, with with t two batteries.
  James Jarvis: Uh, okay. Well, maybe yeah, you could
  Willie Villegas: And
  James Jarvis: when
  Willie Villegas: then
  James Jarvis: that's
  Willie Villegas: you
  James Jarvis: when it's too costly, you could probably skip the recharger, but you will you do need uh also an uh, also you would need a battery in the the base unit as well, you know. Does
  Willie Villegas: Yes.
  James Jarvis: it makes
  Michael Treece: Well
  James Jarvis: it kinda
  Michael Treece: y
  Willie Villegas: Or
  Michael Treece: you you could connect that to two hundred to twenty volts, of course.
  Willie Brand: Mm.
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: yeah.
  Michael Treece: don't know.
  James Jarvis: Okay.
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: but that's not it's ugly,
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but
  Willie Brand: I think.
  James Jarvis: then it's very easy to make it also a rechargeab I don't think that is gonna cost much to make it also a recharge
  Willie Brand: No.
  James Jarvis: function in it.
  Michael Treece: On the other hand, if you don't do it, we can also make a nice bay. I mean, it looks trendy and still still put a bleep function in it, but
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: um I think the bay is definitely uh
  James Jarvis: I think it's a good idea. And make it, you know, we we um Well, we uh it's it isn't a t a most uh costly uh remote control. We can save on the on the functions. We just put some simple button in, make it big and sturdy, nothing more, and just make s sure there's some noise that it can make, or probably some kind of cheap light thing around it or that it uh that it lights
  Michael Treece: Sure,
  James Jarvis: up,
  Michael Treece: why not.
  James Jarvis: it's also
  Michael Treece: Yep.
  James Jarvis: nice. And if you put it away, I think it's uh w
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: we have to we uh that's uh it's
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: not a easy market. We have to something special.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: And for twenty five
  Willie Brand: True.
  James Jarvis: Euros people want something remote c special from your mote control,
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: and we
  Michael Treece: Definitely.
  James Jarvis: can't deliver that in r with uh regards to the functions, because we aren't gonna
  Michael Treece: With eye
  James Jarvis: put
  Michael Treece: candy, ear candy, whatever.
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, definitely.
  James Jarvis: And then uh when make it, you know, nice looking shape and this and then you also you got the stand-up thing. Yeah. I think
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: I think
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: it's a
  Willie Brand: it
  James Jarvis: good
  Willie Brand: must
  James Jarvis: idea.
  Willie Brand: be must be a gadget to have.
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: Definitely, yeah.
  James Jarvis: Oh, if it let's well, we will see what's possible concerning the the costs, and if it's possible we'll do that.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: And we even try to save up on other stuff to make sure we can do such a thing. And the first thing we the most likeable thing to to n to skip is then probably the recharge function or something. If that's too expensive,
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: we won't
  Willie Brand: we
  James Jarvis: do
  Willie Brand: c
  James Jarvis: that. But it would be nice.
  Michael Treece: It would be nice,
  James Jarvis: It's
  Michael Treece: yes.
  James Jarvis: the idea. I know that batteries last long nowadays. And and what people just think about, well, I'll never have to buy any r batteries again, so y b because it's very annoying when your battery is empty. And you know then when you haven't batteries around, and probably for two weeks, your remo I've
  Michael Treece: Most televisions
  James Jarvis: experienced that
  Michael Treece: break
  James Jarvis: that
  Michael Treece: down before the battery pack is empty, so
  James Jarvis: Yeah, okay.
  Michael Treece: yes.
  James Jarvis: So, easy functions. Well, we will we will I think we'll work that out, zapping, numbers on it,
  Willie Brand: Or just
  James Jarvis: bi
  Willie Brand: give a beep when the battery's out or uh down.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, why
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: not.
  James Jarvis: But it's also annoying. 'cause as
  Michael Treece: Hmm.
  James Jarvis: long as it stays as it ke keeps working, you're not
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: very motivated to do something about it.
  Willie Brand: true.
  James Jarvis: Then
  Michael Treece: No,
  James Jarvis: it
  Michael Treece: that's
  James Jarvis: beeps
  Michael Treece: true.
  James Jarvis: all the time and. You don't want to have ever have those problems, and you won't have if if you have the rechargeable. And you don't have to use the unit, you can also put it on the side if people don't like it. Uh,
  Michael Treece: Why
  James Jarvis: i i in
  Michael Treece: not.
  James Jarvis: the in
  Willie Villegas: But
  James Jarvis: the ma
  Willie Villegas: you pay for it.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but it w I mean, if if they pay for it because they think, oh, that's a great idea, I'm gonna use it. And when it, you know, when time goes by and they think, well, I'll never put him in the recharger, I think last long enough, then they put it on side and they can use it now and then. Then when they look get m I I I know for sure that everybody who buys this remote control, within a couple of months of they will be in the situation that they they're seeking for the remote control, they wanna see something
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: quick and uh just push the button and th uh, I think
  Michael Treece: Bleep
  James Jarvis: it's brilliant.
  Michael Treece: bleep bleep, oh there it is, yeah.
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: I've never
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: it's so simple, but I've never seen it.
  Michael Treece: No.
  Willie Brand: And you can leave
  Michael Treece: Nearly.
  James Jarvis: M
  Willie Brand: it just there.
  James Jarvis: maybe we should really do this.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: Okay now, well, how much time have we got left? These clocks aren't uh synched.
  Willie Brand: Yes.
  James Jarvis: Oh, now I've put uh well, it is twenty p
  Willie Brand: Yeah, I'll
  James Jarvis: Okay, so we have ten minutes or something?
  Michael Treece: Something like that, yeah.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but we're uh we're done.
  Willie Brand: Uh
  James Jarvis: I
  Willie Brand: fifteen
  James Jarvis: think.
  Willie Brand: minutes.
  James Jarvis: We've decided on the functions. Well, there is some oh. There is a closing sheet. We have lunch break, and then we have thirty minutes of individual work.
  Michael Treece: Oh.
  James Jarvis: Oh okay, I'll make sure I'll I had some problems with uh the digitising the the first minutes, the the s the next minutes won't be a problem, but I'll try to make sure the first one will be in the folder too, but maybe it won't work, but you'll see. I think these
  Michael Treece: We'll
  James Jarvis: are
  Michael Treece: see.
  James Jarvis: more important than the first ones, so
  Willie Brand: Can you make an uh uh a part of f folder for the minutes maybe? That not not
  Michael Treece: Maarten,
  Willie Brand: everything
  Michael Treece: five
  Willie Brand: in one
  Michael Treece: minutes.
  Willie Brand: one
  James Jarvis: Oh,
  Willie Brand: uh
  James Jarvis: five minutes.
  Willie Brand: folder.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, because uh I I d I did uh the first minutes I did were were were a bit scratchy, you know. Then I did a s second one with a nicer layout, which I could uh, know, use for the other ones well, but uh I d think uh I forgot to do put done under the first one, and when you go write
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: a second uh it's get it's not working when you try to write second
  Willie Brand: Maybe.
  James Jarvis: uh paper
  Michael Treece: No, that's
  James Jarvis: or
  Michael Treece: true
  James Jarvis: something.
  Michael Treece: uh, yeah.
  James Jarvis: And then you you had to overwrite it or someth I don't know. Becau I d uh, it was not my uh pen.
  Michael Treece: Should we by the way draw um
  James Jarvis: this kind of
  Michael Treece: on
  James Jarvis: looks
  Michael Treece: our nice
  James Jarvis: you like.
  Michael Treece: whiteboard, um a little uh idea of
  James Jarvis: Of the shape.
  Michael Treece: yeah.
  Willie Brand: Or the
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: sh
  James Jarvis: probably,
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: it
  Michael Treece: dunno.
  James Jarvis: would be nice.
  Michael Treece: Has anyone got um
  Willie Brand: Do you get
  Michael Treece: a
  Willie Brand: an idea
  Michael Treece: little
  Willie Brand: of
  Michael Treece: bit
  Willie Brand: the shape?
  Michael Treece: detailed ideas about the shape? I don't,
  Willie Villegas: Maybe like
  Michael Treece: for one.
  Willie Villegas: this pen.
  Michael Treece: A bit bigger I guess,
  James Jarvis: No,
  Michael Treece: but
  James Jarvis: bigger.
  Willie Brand: A little bit bigger, yeah but
  Michael Treece: The shape is nice, it's um something different, and
  Willie Villegas: It
  Michael Treece: we
  Willie Villegas: has
  Michael Treece: want
  Willie Villegas: to feel
  Michael Treece: we
  Willie Villegas: nice
  Michael Treece: want
  James Jarvis: Well,
  Michael Treece: that.
  Willie Villegas: in
  James Jarvis: I
  Willie Villegas: your hand.
  James Jarvis: I
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: I have to say, I have this uh can opening remote control in my head most of all, or I think some maybe we should no, that will be too
  Willie Brand: Oh, uh
  James Jarvis: costly.
  Willie Brand: look uh look
  James Jarvis: We shou
  Willie Brand: at
  James Jarvis: we
  Willie Brand: the
  James Jarvis: could
  Willie Brand: pictures.
  James Jarvis: also, that was a would also be an idea, but I don't think it I don't know if it exists already, you should like make Alessi or something design it.
  Michael Treece: Okay, yeah.
  James Jarvis: That would also be nice. But that's
  Michael Treece: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: gonna
  Michael Treece: but
  James Jarvis: then you c then you
  Michael Treece: twelve
  James Jarvis: don't
  Michael Treece: and a half Euros? Uh
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but then you don't have t yeah it that's not something i that's in the production cost a one it's a one time, you know s was it's a single cost.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, m but but then you can nah, I don't thin I think that it would be more expensive, because I've bought the Alessi stuff more often and even small pencil holders or something are more expensive.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, that's true.
  James Jarvis: Would be a nice idea though. I don't know. I think it uh has to be a r it has to have round forms or something. Like something like that or so or so
  Michael Treece: Something like that is very ergonomic.
  James Jarvis: And on th and then uh
  Michael Treece: So
  James Jarvis: s a base unit underneath it. It's also round. Put it in there uh wire on it. Maybe
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: uh, I don't know, some some lights, a big but well.
  Willie Brand: Yeah, flash lights at the
  James Jarvis: Volume and
  Willie Brand: side.
  James Jarvis: programme,
  Willie Brand: At
  James Jarvis: yeah.
  Willie Brand: the side,
  Michael Treece: Yes,
  Willie Brand: or something
  Michael Treece: volume and
  Willie Brand: like
  Michael Treece: programme
  Willie Brand: that.
  Michael Treece: should be there I guess, because you
  James Jarvis: And
  Michael Treece: hands
  James Jarvis: some
  Michael Treece: wi
  James Jarvis: of the
  Michael Treece: uh y
  James Jarvis: extra
  Michael Treece: your
  James Jarvis: funct
  Michael Treece: hands will be in the smaller part.
  James Jarvis: Some of the
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: extra functions over here.
  Michael Treece: Yeah, and
  James Jarvis: Numbers.
  Michael Treece: the numbers on top,
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: I guess.
  James Jarvis: And and lights? How we're g well, maybe uh s a ring of no, no, you have to Maybe on the side
  Michael Treece: Maybe
  James Jarvis: of it.
  Michael Treece: ro roun rounds uh
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  Michael Treece: uh
  Willie Brand: side
  Michael Treece: l
  Willie Brand: of
  Michael Treece: sorry.
  Willie Brand: it.
  James Jarvis: Along
  Willie Brand: Just
  James Jarvis: the side
  Willie Brand: two LEDs
  James Jarvis: uh strip
  Willie Brand: or something
  James Jarvis: of yeah.
  Willie Brand: on the side.
  Michael Treece: Maybe lights
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: also around the volume and the p the plus minus programme buttons.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, but I also meant the
  Michael Treece: Oh.
  James Jarvis: the blinking li w you know, the ones that also blink when you try to uh uh locate your remote.
  Michael Treece: Okay.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: Well,
  Willie Brand: Well, uh
  James Jarvis: theys have
  Willie Brand: probably
  James Jarvis: to be
  Willie Brand: at the side. You know look
  James Jarvis: Yeah.
  Willie Brand: at the front,
  James Jarvis: Yeah,
  Willie Brand: but
  James Jarvis: yeah. Exactly. When you you see it from the side, then it would look just like that.
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: And
  Willie Brand: exactly,
  James Jarvis: then you have
  Willie Brand: and then there is yeah.
  James Jarvis: a strip of uh lights or
  Willie Brand: Yeah,
  James Jarvis: something.
  Michael Treece: Okay, yeah.
  Willie Brand: something like that, yeah.
  James Jarvis: Well, uh I think it's nice, for one thing. maybe put something on top of it or, you know, like that's
  Willie Brand: No.
  James Jarvis: looks funny. I don't know.
  Willie Brand: No.
  James Jarvis: Or some
  Michael Treece: I
  James Jarvis: bump.
  Michael Treece: think I think
  James Jarvis: Maybe
  Michael Treece: that'll
  James Jarvis: some
  Michael Treece: be too big tha
  James Jarvis: Yeah?
  Michael Treece: too big then.
  Willie Brand: Bumper or something.
  James Jarvis: We'll have to think about it. I think we're
  Michael Treece: Yeah.
  James Jarvis: we're done.
  Willie Brand: Yeah.
  Michael Treece: Yes, we are.
  James Jarvis: We can
  Willie Brand: Lunch
  James Jarvis: save
  Willie Brand: break.
  Michael Treece: Alright.
  James Jarvis: this one.
  Michael Treece: Yes, I guess it's lunch time.
  Willie Brand: Okay then.
  James Jarvis: Mm mm.
  Michael Treece: I don't know. Half and hour? I thought
  Willie Brand: Okay,
  Michael Treece: our
  Willie Brand: five
  Michael Treece: next uh
  Willie Brand: uh
  Michael Treece: next individual round was half an hour.
  James Jarvis: Yeah, that was what
  Michael Treece: I don't
  James Jarvis: uh
  Michael Treece: know about the lunch break.
  James Jarvis: Mm, we'll hear about it.
  Michael Treece: Well
  Willie Brand: Oh.
Updated Content: James Jarvis opened the meeting. Willie Villegas reported on working design, explaining how a remote control works and describing its main components. Willie Brand talked about what functions should be included. He suggested they should focus on either expert or novice users. The basic functions should include an on/off switch, buttons for channels one to nine, volume, mute and buttons for next and previous channel. He suggested that a trendy design should not have many buttons. Michael Treece reported on user requirements, including how users rated the importance of different features. He stressed that a trendy design is important, that users zap a lot, and that remotes often get lost. James Jarvis informed the group of new requirements. The remote is only for TV, should not include a teletext feature, and should feature the company colour and slogan. The group discussed what functions and features the remote should have, and whether to include DVD/VCR controls, a teletext button, stop button, changeable covers, and a base/recharger with locator function. The group also discussed making the remote a rounded, ergonomic shape, and using flashing lights to help locate it when lost.