Extracted Content: Robert Haney: So let's start our second Ricky Burgess meeting on design.
  Ricky Burgess: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Haney: So, as the previous meeting I will be the secretary
  Michael Rhim: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Haney: and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision. So I will first uh
  Ricky Burgess: No y you do the minutes first or,
  Robert Haney: What?
  Ricky Burgess: No?
  Robert Haney: I I think I will let uh
  Ricky Burgess: Okay.
  Robert Haney: our User Interface Designer speak first, Mister David Jordan.
  Robert Calvert: Yep.
  Robert Haney: So, we'll
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: S technical accessoire?
  Robert Calvert: No no no.
  Robert Haney: Interface?
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: This.
  Robert Calvert: Mm. So uh first I will present the concept of user interface. Um there's three concepts in the user interface. So first one it's a Google controller. The second is a fancy controller. The last one is uh intelligent controller. So there are three concepts in our controller. Um n next I will explain one by one, the first is Google controller. Um, so I want the controller to be easy to use, but with sophisticated functions. So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions. Uh this is a first concept of our controller. The second concept is a fancy controller, um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive, um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products, so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute, very
  Ricky Burgess: Mm.
  Michael Rhim: Mm.
  Robert Calvert: very g um
  Michael Rhim: A nice
  Robert Calvert: attractive.
  Michael Rhim: one.
  Robert Calvert: Such like this, there are several uh examples in the slides.
  Robert Haney: I'm not sure the one in the middle is very attractive.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, it's very, you know if you're
  Robert Haney: very big yeah.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah. It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it. Or to recognise it, yeah.
  Robert Haney: Okay. Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: why not.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: We'll have big discussion
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: I suppose after that,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: so.
  Ricky Burgess: Mm.
  Robert Calvert: So the last uh concept is intelligent. We want uh we want our controller to be smart,
  Michael Rhim: Mm-hmm.
  Ricky Burgess: Mm.
  Robert Calvert: so maybe we should uh use um uh technology, such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology, so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition. Um With this advanced features we I think we can attract a lot of user.
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Robert Haney: Something else?
  Robert Calvert: No. There this is the three concepts of
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: our
  Robert Haney: I just have
  Robert Calvert: controller.
  Robert Haney: one question,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: because for the intelligent controller,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition, but as the um expert told us, most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: Do you
  Robert Calvert: so
  Robert Haney: think they will be able to use gestures? Because,
  Robert Calvert: Y
  Robert Haney: if they do all the time the same gesture, as you said previously in the last meeting, maybe they will get injuries because of that?
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: or
  Michael Rhim: Maybe.
  Robert Haney: if you say channel three channel three two three four six five, I think they will be bored after a while. You don't think so?
  Robert Calvert: Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface
  Robert Haney: Yeah, sure.
  Robert Calvert: than use button. For example, if you cannot find your
  Robert Haney: I
  Robert Calvert: uh
  Michael Rhim: Oh
  Robert Calvert: controller,
  Michael Rhim: yeah, that's a good
  Robert Calvert: you
  Robert Haney: That's
  Robert Calvert: can
  Michael Rhim: that's
  Robert Calvert: just
  Michael Rhim: a
  Robert Haney: true.
  Michael Rhim: good
  Robert Calvert: uh
  Michael Rhim: point, so.
  Robert Calvert: just just uh speak something such as,
  Michael Rhim: One and
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: yeah,
  Robert Haney: but suppose
  Robert Calvert: one
  Robert Haney: you
  Robert Calvert: two.
  Robert Haney: got a cold. You
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: have a mute
  Ricky Burgess: Mm.
  Robert Haney: remote controller.
  Robert Calvert: So you can use your gesture. That's no problem.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah but how how is how
  Robert Haney: Broken
  Ricky Burgess: risky
  Robert Haney: arm?
  Ricky Burgess: is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition?
  Robert Calvert: For limited vocabulary speech recognition is
  Ricky Burgess: Okay.
  Robert Calvert: very reliable
  Ricky Burgess: Okay.
  Robert Calvert: and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: very
  Robert Haney: but suppose you have a family watching T_V_,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: and if they want to use
  Michael Rhim: Yep.
  Robert Haney: their private remote control in the same time, do you think it will work? Everybody wanting to change channel
  Ricky Burgess: But this
  Robert Haney: in the same
  Ricky Burgess: this
  Robert Haney: time?
  Ricky Burgess: but this would never happen anyway.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, they cannot
  Robert Haney: Why?
  Robert Calvert: speak at the same time.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah
  Robert Haney: If you have one brother and one sister and they want to
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: watch
  Ricky Burgess: but the
  Robert Haney: their favourite uh T_V_ programme, so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel
  Michael Rhim: Yeah
  Robert Haney: three
  Robert Calvert: Yeah,
  Michael Rhim: but
  Robert Calvert: it's
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah
  Robert Calvert: very
  Ricky Burgess: but
  Robert Haney: all
  Ricky Burgess: this
  Robert Calvert: interesting.
  Robert Haney: the time,
  Michael Rhim: Yeah
  Robert Haney: so.
  Michael Rhim: but the same can happen even with it you know this
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: kind of remote control because
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: I don't think
  Michael Rhim: the
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: it
  Robert Haney: but you have the remote control, so maybe you
  Michael Rhim: That's
  Robert Haney: can keep
  Michael Rhim: right.
  Robert Haney: it f with you. You're not you're not obliged
  Ricky Burgess: Oh,
  Robert Haney: to
  Ricky Burgess: okay,
  Robert Haney: share
  Ricky Burgess: okay,
  Robert Haney: it.
  Ricky Burgess: you mean it could be a problem for
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: this
  Robert Haney: we can
  Ricky Burgess: kind
  Robert Calvert: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: of
  Robert Calvert: that's
  Ricky Burgess: stuff.
  Robert Haney: yeah.
  Robert Calvert: that's the advantage of intelligent controller. Even you h
  Ricky Burgess: No.
  Robert Calvert: you have the controller, I can
  Michael Rhim: It's
  Robert Calvert: I can say
  Michael Rhim: it's
  Robert Calvert: channel three, so it's c come
  Ricky Burgess: No, but
  Robert Calvert: to
  Ricky Burgess: this
  Robert Calvert: channel
  Ricky Burgess: is disadvant
  Robert Calvert: three, I don't have
  Ricky Burgess: disadvantage.
  Robert Calvert: to
  Robert Haney: Yeah, I think it's a disadvantage.
  Robert Calvert: It's
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: advantage.
  Michael Rhim: And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but one
  Michael Rhim: manual
  Robert Haney: other question.
  Michael Rhim: controllers,
  Robert Haney: How
  Michael Rhim: eh.
  Robert Haney: how much will it cost?
  Michael Rhim: No, more
  Robert Calvert: How
  Michael Rhim: expensive
  Robert Calvert: much?
  Michael Rhim: maybe.
  Robert Haney: Yeah. Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working.
  Robert Calvert: No no we we d we we just
  Ricky Burgess: Uh if
  Robert Calvert: are
  Ricky Burgess: you if
  Robert Calvert: use
  Robert Haney: Some
  Robert Calvert: um
  Ricky Burgess: if
  Robert Haney: some
  Ricky Burgess: you
  Robert Haney: efficient.
  Ricky Burgess: use the basic
  Robert Calvert: No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute, we don't have to do some basic research on this
  Robert Haney: So
  Robert Calvert: field.
  Robert Haney: you think it won't cost an Not a lot for us? Or?
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, I think it's uh because uh this technology is uh um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition, it's very
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but uh uh
  Robert Calvert: it's uh yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: But it's
  Robert Calvert: It's
  Ricky Burgess: it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built. Because then you need uh I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition, for example.
  Michael Rhim: Well y y
  Robert Calvert: No it's
  Michael Rhim: you have
  Robert Calvert: uh
  Michael Rhim: also the language
  Robert Calvert: Even
  Michael Rhim: problem,
  Robert Calvert: for
  Michael Rhim: you
  Robert Calvert: the
  Michael Rhim: know when
  Robert Calvert: f
  Michael Rhim: you
  Robert Calvert: um
  Robert Haney: Mm-mm.
  Robert Calvert: because
  Michael Rhim: 'Cause
  Robert Calvert: the
  Michael Rhim: it
  Robert Calvert: the vocabulary
  Michael Rhim: it have to be universal,
  Robert Calvert: the
  Michael Rhim: so.
  Robert Haney: Yeah. I
  Robert Calvert: The
  Robert Haney: agree
  Robert Calvert: vocabulary
  Robert Haney: with uh
  Robert Calvert: is very small, so
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: that's
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: not a problem.
  Robert Haney: but there is one problem that uh Baba
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: talked about is the international remote control. We need something that is international. Suppose we're we want to sell it in France.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: The recognition system will be able to understand French. If you want to go to England,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: it will be able to understand English, so.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, the key, the key
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: um
  Ricky Burgess: this could be downloaded by the web
  Robert Calvert: the
  Ricky Burgess: maybe,
  Robert Calvert: key of
  Ricky Burgess: or
  Robert Calvert: our the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation
  Michael Rhim: Yeah
  Robert Calvert: mechanism.
  Michael Rhim: but you know. The
  Robert Calvert: It's
  Michael Rhim: product
  Robert Calvert: It's
  Michael Rhim: The pro
  Robert Calvert: it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese. It's r if you sell this controller in France
  Michael Rhim: It's
  Robert Calvert: it
  Michael Rhim: a very
  Robert Calvert: can
  Michael Rhim: smart,
  Robert Calvert: recognise French.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: it's a
  Robert Haney: Mm,
  Michael Rhim: very smart
  Robert Haney: okay.
  Michael Rhim: controller maybe
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, it's
  Robert Haney: And with no increase in the pri production price
  Michael Rhim: Oh yeah
  Robert Haney: of the
  Michael Rhim: yeah
  Robert Haney: remote
  Michael Rhim: yeah yeah.
  Robert Haney: control?
  Robert Calvert: Because
  Michael Rhim: But
  Robert Calvert: of this product uh this technology has already been developed.
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: So
  Robert Haney: but how will
  Michael Rhim: Yeah
  Robert Haney: you
  Michael Rhim: but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller, you
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: the same one.
  Ricky Burgess: Mm.
  Michael Rhim: If you have the language, you have to
  Robert Calvert: Oh n
  Michael Rhim: develop
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, yeah tha
  Michael Rhim: for
  Robert Calvert: that's
  Michael Rhim: each
  Robert Calvert: why
  Michael Rhim: country.
  Robert Calvert: we have to do language adaptation.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, but for each country you have to do one,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: because uh the for example
  Robert Calvert: Even
  Michael Rhim: for Se
  Robert Calvert: for each f for even for different family we have to do d
  Michael Rhim: Oh really?
  Robert Calvert: yeah we would we
  Michael Rhim: That's
  Robert Calvert: have to do adaptation to
  Robert Haney: Oh.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah, but then
  Robert Haney: Seems
  Ricky Burgess: w
  Robert Haney: to be quite complex.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah, we have to
  Michael Rhim: Comple
  Robert Calvert: No,
  Ricky Burgess: take
  Robert Calvert: it's not
  Ricky Burgess: care
  Robert Calvert: so
  Ricky Burgess: of the
  Robert Calvert: complex.
  Ricky Burgess: twelve Euros problem.
  Robert Haney: And what about voice recognition, do we have microphones? And where will be they? Do you think
  Robert Calvert: No no
  Robert Haney: if
  Robert Calvert: no
  Robert Haney: we're
  Robert Calvert: it's
  Robert Haney: far
  Robert Calvert: not
  Robert Haney: from television it will work?
  Robert Calvert: I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone. It it just the microphone is embedded in the controller.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but where is the controller?
  Ricky Burgess: Okay.
  Robert Calvert: Where is the controller?
  Robert Haney: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: It's in your family, in your home.
  Ricky Burgess: No, but
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: then it's
  Robert Haney: but
  Ricky Burgess: it's
  Robert Haney: we're
  Ricky Burgess: like this
  Robert Haney: here it's uh
  Ricky Burgess: uh
  Robert Haney: an object. But
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: here you say you want to use i uh
  Robert Calvert: Yeah you can
  Robert Haney: s
  Robert Calvert: you
  Robert Haney: technology.
  Robert Calvert: can embed it uh
  Michael Rhim: A microphone
  Robert Calvert: microphone
  Michael Rhim: maybe.
  Robert Calvert: here.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this, if you have an object. If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be
  Michael Rhim: To talk
  Robert Haney: free,
  Michael Rhim: to the to the T_V_
  Robert Haney: without any
  Michael Rhim: maybe.
  Robert Haney: object. You just want to interact
  Robert Calvert: Yeah yeah just
  Robert Haney: with
  Robert Calvert: you
  Robert Haney: television.
  Robert Calvert: just put the controller here, then you
  Michael Rhim: I if you say
  Robert Calvert: you
  Michael Rhim: one,
  Robert Calvert: use
  Michael Rhim: he switch
  Robert Calvert: your command
  Michael Rhim: to channel, yeah.
  Robert Calvert: and you do s your gesture.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but you can lose it.
  Robert Calvert: No no it's n y if you lose it
  Michael Rhim: So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the T_V_
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: to switch to channel
  Robert Haney: Okay
  Michael Rhim: one.
  Robert Haney: you so you can build a kind of
  Michael Rhim: Devic
  Robert Haney: black box and put it
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: on T_V_ and
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: just to recognize
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: gestures and voice.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Ah.
  Michael Rhim: inside your remote control.
  Ricky Burgess: But you would still have the buttons. Or is it do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons?
  Robert Calvert: I think it we should give the uh flexibility to the user
  Ricky Burgess: Okay,
  Robert Calvert: and
  Ricky Burgess: so
  Robert Calvert: we
  Ricky Burgess: you
  Robert Calvert: think yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: yeah.
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: You can see they can switch form one modality to another.
  Robert Haney: Mm.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah, I dunno. It's a bit risky risky.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: I
  Robert Calvert: No,
  Robert Haney: think so.
  Robert Calvert: that's
  Robert Haney: And
  Robert Calvert: quite
  Robert Haney: maybe
  Robert Calvert: inter
  Robert Haney: it will be quite
  Robert Calvert: quite attractive.
  Michael Rhim: But I think that, you know, switching from one country to to another will be a problem, so although y y
  Robert Calvert: Well, if you do language adaptation, there should be no problem.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah but
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Michael Rhim: i i
  Ricky Burgess: I dunno.
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Robert Calvert: We should have confidence in technology.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, we should. Uh.
  Robert Haney: Hmm. So, what do you think? We'll try the controllers you'd prefer.
  Michael Rhim: Mm.
  Ricky Burgess: What?
  Robert Haney: Which kind of controller would you prefer to use, you as a
  Ricky Burgess: If
  Robert Haney: remote
  Ricky Burgess: if
  Robert Haney: control user?
  Ricky Burgess: I mean, uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price, he's happy to have recognition.
  Robert Calvert: More features, yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: But
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, but
  Ricky Burgess: if if if it like doubles uh
  Michael Rhim: I think he
  Ricky Burgess: no
  Michael Rhim: need
  Ricky Burgess: one would
  Michael Rhim: a control
  Ricky Burgess: would be interested.
  Michael Rhim: that is very reliable, so.
  Robert Haney: So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller. Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller? Hmm?
  Michael Rhim: Yeah. Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Just want to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller, easy to use, sophisticated and fancy.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah
  Robert Haney: You
  Robert Calvert: but
  Robert Haney: think
  Robert Calvert: if
  Robert Haney: it's possible?
  Robert Calvert: if you stick to um stick to the first two parts. So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market? There's no k features of our controller, so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: any breakthrough features?
  Ricky Burgess: No, I mean
  Robert Calvert: Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you
  Michael Rhim: It's
  Robert Calvert: do not
  Ricky Burgess: Y
  Michael Rhim: not really
  Robert Calvert: have some
  Michael Rhim: the we
  Robert Calvert: some function
  Michael Rhim: we can
  Robert Calvert: inside
  Michael Rhim: add for
  Robert Calvert: it
  Michael Rhim: example
  Robert Calvert: that
  Michael Rhim: some function like for browsing in internet, so or something like that. But uh I think a user need
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller, that's a function of T_V_. can replace your T_V_ with a new T_V_ with internet browsing
  Ricky Burgess: No,
  Robert Calvert: function,
  Ricky Burgess: but you need
  Robert Calvert: but
  Ricky Burgess: you need new remote controller then. Because if you wanna browse internet or,
  Michael Rhim: Don't have
  Ricky Burgess: I don't know,
  Michael Rhim: a the
  Ricky Burgess: if you
  Michael Rhim: the
  Ricky Burgess: wanna type something, or
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah if we can send email from
  Robert Calvert: But
  Michael Rhim: it.
  Robert Calvert: it's not the only the problem only the
  Ricky Burgess: No.
  Robert Calvert: issue of controller, it's
  Ricky Burgess: No.
  Robert Calvert: it's also the issue of the T_V_.
  Michael Rhim: Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh
  Ricky Burgess: Cause
  Michael Rhim: what
  Ricky Burgess: for example
  Michael Rhim: can happen in a
  Ricky Burgess: yeah.
  Michael Rhim: family i i for example
  Robert Calvert: Yeah,
  Michael Rhim: if
  Robert Calvert: but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: to u to use the controller,
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but
  Robert Calvert: but
  Robert Haney: uh we want
  Robert Calvert: with the
  Robert Haney: so
  Robert Calvert: features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it, your mobile, but you when you choose a new mobile,
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Robert Calvert: you
  Ricky Burgess: you wou
  Robert Calvert: choose
  Ricky Burgess: you would
  Robert Calvert: the one with voice recognition.
  Ricky Burgess: True.
  Robert Calvert: That's the feature is not one hundred percent reliable, but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but
  Michael Rhim: Yeah
  Robert Haney: w we we want something th that works all the time,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: every day, every hour,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: for
  Robert Calvert: uh
  Michael Rhim: And for
  Robert Haney: everyone.
  Michael Rhim: all the person of the family maybe,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, if
  Robert Haney: You
  Michael Rhim: so,
  Robert Calvert: if
  Robert Haney: don't
  Michael Rhim: yeah.
  Robert Haney: need
  Robert Calvert: if
  Robert Haney: to
  Robert Calvert: if
  Robert Haney: tune
  Robert Calvert: you're if you
  Robert Haney: it.
  Robert Calvert: ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable, would you replace it with another one?
  Robert Haney: Yeah, why not?
  Ricky Burgess: I
  Robert Haney: If
  Ricky Burgess: mean,
  Robert Haney: it's
  Ricky Burgess: for example the goo y
  Michael Rhim: Because
  Ricky Burgess: you
  Michael Rhim: you have
  Ricky Burgess: say
  Michael Rhim: new
  Ricky Burgess: we would we would to have a Google-like
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: controller.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google. Google is is simple, works fine,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic, simple and works fine,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: it's already a lot.
  Robert Calvert: Oh yes, but
  Ricky Burgess: Uh
  Robert Calvert: there's
  Ricky Burgess: thi
  Robert Calvert: no
  Ricky Burgess: this
  Robert Calvert: big difference between the traditional controller.
  Ricky Burgess: I mean, the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or
  Robert Calvert: The then
  Ricky Burgess: if he has
  Robert Calvert: nn no.
  Ricky Burgess: something
  Robert Calvert: Tha
  Ricky Burgess: that works fine and is really fancy, looks nice and
  Robert Haney: Not
  Robert Calvert: But
  Robert Haney: too
  Robert Calvert: the
  Ricky Burgess: it's
  Robert Haney: expensive
  Robert Calvert: there's
  Ricky Burgess: easy easy
  Robert Calvert: there's
  Robert Haney: too.
  Ricky Burgess: to
  Robert Calvert: n
  Ricky Burgess: use,
  Robert Calvert: there's n
  Ricky Burgess: easy
  Robert Calvert: not
  Ricky Burgess: to use.
  Robert Calvert: enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one
  Ricky Burgess: See
  Robert Calvert: if there's no key feature in the new controller.
  Ricky Burgess: That's the
  Robert Calvert: That's
  Ricky Burgess: problem,
  Robert Calvert: the same yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: yeah. I mean, I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: But you have to think,
  Michael Rhim: Ye
  Ricky Burgess: the user is the one who gonna buy the product and
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: so.
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Ricky Burgess: I mean, that's
  Robert Haney: So
  Ricky Burgess: the point.
  Robert Haney: let's go to Michael Rhim.
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Haney: Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that,
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: so. Two?
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, participant two um
  Robert Haney: Working?
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, working design, so. So I think
  Robert Haney: I can
  Michael Rhim: Can you go to the next one? I uh it's not this one. It's uh
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: oth the oth so I It's the working design. Sorry. Component
  Robert Haney: It's
  Michael Rhim: design.
  Robert Haney: okay
  Michael Rhim: So this yeah so this is the described use What? Are you inst
  Robert Haney: Uh I think there's something wrong with your
  Robert Calvert: It did didn't r receive it. Didn't
  Robert Haney: Maybe you
  Robert Calvert: receive it.
  Robert Haney: you record it somewhere else.
  Michael Rhim: I don't think so.
  Robert Calvert: Participant one. Participant one.
  Robert Haney: Interface concept. No.
  Ricky Burgess: Hmm.
  Robert Haney: Mm mm.
  Michael Rhim: Oh. Maybe I record recorded directly on the Computer.
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Uh.
  Ricky Burgess: Dunno.
  Robert Haney: Nope.
  Michael Rhim: Okay, okay. Yes.
  Robert Haney: It seems that we have a problem with the
  Ricky Burgess: I dunno if you remember what you had to say or
  Michael Rhim: I can say it to you without.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, so
  Robert Calvert: Yeah, maybe we can first come to
  Robert Haney: No, I think it will be more interesting
  Robert Calvert: uh
  Robert Haney: to
  Robert Calvert: to Frahan.
  Robert Haney: start with uh
  Robert Calvert: With Frahan,
  Ricky Burgess: I think it's
  Robert Calvert: then
  Ricky Burgess: more
  Robert Calvert: you
  Ricky Burgess: interesting
  Robert Calvert: can prepare
  Ricky Burgess: what
  Robert Calvert: your slides,
  Ricky Burgess: he says, okay.
  Robert Calvert: then present
  Robert Haney: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: it later.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, exac Okay.
  Robert Haney: I think it will be interesting after your
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: presentation
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: to have
  Ricky Burgess: true.
  Robert Haney: um Baba's presentation.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: In fact, I don't
  Robert Haney: So.
  Michael Rhim: know, I s
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: because i in my presentation I don't have here with so
  Robert Haney: Okay, never
  Michael Rhim: It
  Robert Haney: mind.
  Michael Rhim: was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: a what is inside and what are the different component of the r of the remote control.
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: of what is inside and so. So I in fact the the f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use, so
  Robert Haney: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: will it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one. So and in which which which kind will be the the different bu button,
  Robert Haney: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: so it can be some, you know, classic pushbutton like this one, or you have also some button like L_C_D_ where you know,
  Robert Calvert: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Haney: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: the button the buttons are unlighted during the night, or, you know, you can
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: see them in the darkness.
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: And the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation, electric alimentation do you want to have, so will it be for example uh d uh solar energy alimentation
  Robert Calvert: Uh-huh.
  Michael Rhim: or will it be a battery like the classical battery so. And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have uh both of them, so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from, you know, the cities uh
  Robert Calvert: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: for example in some place in in S Senegal, so if you have electric if you have solar
  Robert Calvert: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: alimentation, you just, when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come and so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it, for example.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, I think it's an
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: added value to the remote control
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, yeah
  Robert Haney: and maybe
  Michael Rhim: mm.
  Robert Haney: it can attract all the ecological
  Michael Rhim: yeah,
  Robert Haney: k
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: yeah,
  Robert Haney: yeah
  Michael Rhim: yeah,
  Robert Haney: consumers
  Michael Rhim: yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: yeah.
  Robert Haney: and but about the the price of adding this solar battery, would it be something really that will increase the price of production more, no?
  Michael Rhim: Alrigh In fact, having them both will if we want to have battery, regular battery and and the solar energy battery it could be it'll it will add a little bit of the price,
  Robert Haney: So.
  Michael Rhim: but it will be an added value also that will be
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: compensated,
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: so hmm.
  Robert Haney: And what tha what about the uh materials?
  Michael Rhim: And the materials, it depends for example you if you have a wooden material it can be more the plastic material is more common it's
  Robert Haney: Impersonal,
  Michael Rhim: very resistant but,
  Robert Haney: mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: you know, something wooden will be like, I don't know
  Robert Haney: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: Special
  Michael Rhim: high
  Ricky Burgess: for
  Michael Rhim: cl so a special high class, or you know,
  Ricky Burgess: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, and
  Michael Rhim: you
  Robert Haney: i
  Michael Rhim: can have some
  Robert Haney: if you we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood.
  Robert Calvert: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, even
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: if it is not completely wood, but just a part of the, you
  Robert Haney: Mm-hmm.
  Michael Rhim: know, will be wooden, in wood
  Robert Haney: Mm.
  Michael Rhim: and it can be interesting.
  Robert Haney: Mm okay, seems
  Michael Rhim: And
  Robert Haney: to be interesting,
  Michael Rhim: so
  Robert Haney: mm.
  Michael Rhim: the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap integrated cir circuits, chips, or do you have low level or or very very expensive, it depends, but I think that low level will be, you know, it is an interim module.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, we want something easy to use and
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: so I think maybe something very low level wou
  Michael Rhim: Yeah. Yeah,
  Robert Haney: would be enough.
  Michael Rhim: yeah.
  Robert Haney: And you think that we will be
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, I think it will fit on the price we want, twel
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: twelve Euros, so.
  Robert Haney: So wood. And what about the buttons?
  Michael Rhim: I think the buttons I pr I prefer, you know, the L_C_D_ you know lighted buttons because, you know, it's I don't know
  Robert Haney: No it's fashion,
  Michael Rhim: um yeah, in the
  Robert Haney: yeah.
  Michael Rhim: dark, it's fashion and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch T_V_ in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost, you know in the darkness it's very easy so, right.
  Ricky Burgess: What about the touch scr touch screen? For example. It's it's expensive I I guess.
  Michael Rhim: I think a touch screen will be t as expensive as the L_C_D_ buttons so.
  Ricky Burgess: Mm.
  Michael Rhim: But And it is a kind of other design, I mean. It can
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: also be interesting to have this kind of
  Robert Calvert: So you got email?
  Robert Haney: I dunno. I think we have only uh five minutes left.
  Ricky Burgess: Okay.
  Robert Haney: Participant four? Functional requirements?
  Ricky Burgess: Uh no, trend watching. The other one.
  Robert Haney: This one?
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah. Uh, I think so, just Yeah, so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of um have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market, so next. So again, it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting. Um user really really want a fancy look and feel. They're not so so interested in uh functional look and feel, okay. Like the one you've shown, David,
  Robert Calvert: Mm.
  Ricky Burgess: with all the buttons and I
  Michael Rhim: Mm.
  Ricky Burgess: mean i i it sounds good technically but it's it's not what they want and uh So, second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative, so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on.
  Robert Haney: Okay.
  Ricky Burgess: At the same time, it's important that it's easy to use. So that were the three first points from the remote control uh analysis. Now i if we look at fashion in general um Okay. Wha what we really see this year is that uh everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables, okay,
  Michael Rhim: Ah yes.
  Ricky Burgess: so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the
  Michael Rhim: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: the thing.
  Michael Rhim: yeah. Okay, yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: 'Cause it's it's really what people want. Even if it's in general fashion, we want it to be in the remote control. And then uh if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points, fancy look and feel has, on a score of seven would have six as importance. Uh the remote control has to be technologically innovative, it's three. Then easy to use uh it's not so important actually with respect to other y other ones.
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Ricky Burgess: So we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one, uh from Milan and Paris
  Michael Rhim: And fruit and vegetables yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: we go to the fruits and vede vegetables. And the other point I haven't mention is people wan want to have a spongy
  Michael Rhim: Spongy
  Ricky Burgess: touch, okay
  Michael Rhim: 'Kay.
  Ricky Burgess: so this is this maybe doesn't really fit with the wooden design.
  Michael Rhim: Okay, yeah, yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: I dunno.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy?
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah thi this is this would be like um
  Michael Rhim: Pla
  Ricky Burgess: plastic-like,
  Michael Rhim: S
  Ricky Burgess: but
  Michael Rhim: Very stuff
  Ricky Burgess: rubber, mayb
  Michael Rhim: Okay,
  Ricky Burgess: maybe,
  Michael Rhim: rubber
  Ricky Burgess: you
  Michael Rhim: rubber
  Ricky Burgess: know, rubber-like
  Michael Rhim: desi okay, yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: uh
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: device, so um
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: Okay, tha tha that was the main point, I think, from the trend in fashion.
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Haney: So we have to take decisions about the component concepts, about the energy. So, as you say you want something technologically innovative,
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: maybe using
  Michael Rhim: Solar.
  Robert Haney: solar energy and
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah, so when I think it's
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Haney: with battery would be something interesting, maybe will attract
  Ricky Burgess: Mm-hmm
  Michael Rhim: Yeah. It will be a
  Robert Haney: pro-ecology consumers.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Uh cheap imprint so you s you propose low level
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, I
  Robert Haney: chips
  Michael Rhim: think
  Robert Haney: would be uh enough to have something
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, yeah.
  Robert Haney: working well.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Case.
  Robert Calvert: Later?
  Robert Haney: So you think case. Something spongy. Someth no wood.
  Michael Rhim: No wood but
  Ricky Burgess: Maybe not no
  Michael Rhim: Plastic?
  Ricky Burgess: wood, but I mean
  Michael Rhim: Would some
  Ricky Burgess: ma maybe not the part you
  Robert Calvert: Pla
  Ricky Burgess: touching you
  Robert Haney: Maybe
  Ricky Burgess: know.
  Michael Rhim: I think
  Robert Haney: you
  Michael Rhim: we can have wood for example in the bottom and, you
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Michael Rhim: know.
  Ricky Burgess: maybe
  Michael Rhim: It depends
  Ricky Burgess: the base.
  Michael Rhim: on the design we want, so.
  Robert Haney: It's
  Ricky Burgess: But still y
  Robert Haney: it's natural.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Th
  Michael Rhim: it's natural
  Robert Haney: The feeling
  Michael Rhim: and i
  Robert Haney: is natural, so maybe we can stay with wood.
  Michael Rhim: And it can be correlated to energy, solar energy, so for the marketing aspect, you know, saying
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Michael Rhim: that
  Ricky Burgess: I mean
  Michael Rhim: it's
  Ricky Burgess: it's not
  Michael Rhim: ecol
  Ricky Burgess: exactly right for the spongy
  Michael Rhim: Mm,
  Ricky Burgess: point
  Michael Rhim: yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: of view.
  Michael Rhim: it's not right, so.
  Robert Haney: But it's still fashion.
  Ricky Burgess: But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons, or
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Ricky Burgess: I
  Robert Haney: Yeah,
  Ricky Burgess: dunno.
  Robert Haney: something that you can
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: into it. Uh and what about the user interface concept?
  Michael Rhim: Google and
  Robert Haney: Google and fancy?
  Michael Rhim: and fancy, f how about the the voice?
  Robert Haney: Because
  Michael Rhim: And
  Robert Haney: I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some disadvantages with this.
  Robert Calvert: Uh
  Michael Rhim: Uh
  Robert Calvert: yes.
  Michael Rhim: maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested and how It It is an an interesting concept to see to have
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: uh
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: voice control.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah. The smart
  Michael Rhim: Mm.
  Robert Calvert: controller.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah. But and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the T_V_, so speak directly to the T_V_ and you don't need a remote control actually, so.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice.
  Michael Rhim: But it will be embedded on the T_V_ and not on the remote control, so.
  Robert Haney: That's
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah
  Robert Haney: true.
  Ricky Burgess: d
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Ricky Burgess: I dunno.
  Robert Haney: So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the
  Robert Calvert: Mm.
  Robert Haney: fancy controller, maybe try to mix them these two concepts together, just in one and do a remote control with solar energy
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood.
  Robert Calvert: It's good.
  Robert Haney: And L_C_D_ buttons.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, L_C_D_.
  Robert Haney: Yeah, I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult
  Michael Rhim: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: to add.
  Michael Rhim: yeah, yeah. And pf what can we think a supplement to
  Ricky Burgess: What interface?
  Robert Haney: Yeah, for the interface something added value.
  Michael Rhim: I think the supplement can be the voice. It is just, you know, it is not the most important, but it can be a part of
  Robert Haney: With a module? You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can
  Michael Rhim: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: just use
  Michael Rhim: yeah.
  Robert Haney: commands, words
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: and
  Michael Rhim: Mm.
  Robert Haney: use them
  Robert Calvert: Mm-hmm.
  Robert Haney: when you don't want to use
  Michael Rhim: To
  Robert Haney: your
  Michael Rhim: push
  Robert Haney: fingers.
  Michael Rhim: button, yeah, yeah. Even it is for s just some kids, you know, switching channels one two three four.
  Robert Haney: Turning the T_V_
  Michael Rhim: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: o
  Michael Rhim: turning
  Robert Haney: on o
  Michael Rhim: yeah,
  Robert Haney: or off.
  Michael Rhim: yeah. Not very complex commands, but easy commands, so.
  Robert Haney: So, adding some vocal commands.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Simple ones?
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, simple ones for
  Robert Haney: Okay. So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti minutes so we'll you will all have to work in in your direction. So you will have to work on the look and feel design,
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: to have the easy to use, powerful and fancy remote control
  Robert Calvert: Yep.
  Robert Haney: with some added value such as the uh simple vocal commands recognition.
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: Uh you will have to work more, Baba, on the um spongy way to to add spongy um
  Michael Rhim: expensive
  Robert Haney: touch
  Michael Rhim: buttons
  Robert Haney: to the buttons
  Michael Rhim: Yeah, to make some
  Robert Haney: and
  Michael Rhim: new
  Robert Haney: try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control.
  Michael Rhim: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: And I sup I think we'll have to evaluate th the product
  Ricky Burgess: Yeah,
  Robert Haney: too.
  Ricky Burgess: no not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables
  Robert Haney: Yeah.
  Michael Rhim: Okay, fruits.
  Ricky Burgess: trends.
  Robert Haney: Yeah.
  Ricky Burgess: If possible.
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Haney: And remember as as I said last meeting, we really have to build a fashion remote control and uh the colour of the um the society will be really
  Michael Rhim: Need it to be, okay.
  Robert Haney: it will be seen in the remote control. So you will have Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype
  Robert Calvert: Yeah.
  Robert Haney: and you will have next time to show us um modelling a cl a clay remote control, so
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Haney: you will have to model model something.
  Robert Calvert: Yep
  Robert Haney: And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.
  Michael Rhim: Okay.
  Robert Haney: So,
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Robert Haney: no more questions, we can close the session.
  Ricky Burgess: Hmm.
  Michael Rhim: Sounds good, mm-hmm.
  Ricky Burgess: Okay.
  Robert Haney: Yeah.
  Robert Calvert: Okay.
  Robert Haney: Okay, cool.
Updated Content: Robert Calvert presented three different concepts to consider for the user interface and introduced the idea of using speech recognition in the design of the remote. The team discussed the issue of using speech recognition at length. Michael Rhim presented possible materials to use in making the case for the remote, introduced the option of using a solar battery, and discussed options for buttons. The Marketing Specialist  discussed recent findings from trend watching reports. The team discussed what materials to use and their interface concept.