Extracted Content: Max Dang: Okay, welcome everyone to our next meeting. I'm writing and busy leading the meeting, but um I've prepared a little presentation once again um or at least an agenda I think uh the biggest part of the presentation will be uh on your side. Um we are here at the conceptual design meeting, which is hereby opened. Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting uh placed inside our project folder, which was quite some typing. Um we uh three presentations, if I'm right, and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts. And just as the last time we have forty minutes to accomplish that. Okay, well I'd say let's start with the
  Thomas Phillips: 'Kay.
  Max Dang: first presentation. Um in the same order as last
  Raymond Burnside: W sure.
  Max Dang: time?
  Andre Ridenour: Mm.
  Max Dang: Okay.
  Andre Ridenour: Alright.
  Max Dang: Well, take it away.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay uh welcome you. Components design, um uh first of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some of those uh things I uh uh elaborate some of the things I did. I I elaborated on the concept. What should be um uh said about uh the components, uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those r remote controls. Uh well of all I've uh d subtracted some of the components is that are used uh are w w from what remote control's formed. Uh first of all, the case, the case, the surrounding of the of the the remote control. I would like to uh give you an idea of uh how I thought about.
  Thomas Phillips: Don't destroy my giraffe.
  Raymond Burnside: Giraffe's gone now. Okay um the case was is made from rubber, I suppose. There's one of the because when you use a remote control a lot of people uh will uh will uh drop their remote control and they
  Andre Ridenour: Hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: break uh becau the uh titanium was also an option. But uh it's a very expensive material. Uh rubber is, I think, uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh for our uh for our remote control. Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancy colours with rubber. Uh rubber l makes it easy to uh to to it lets lets itself colour. Uh titanium uh you have to paint it and with that uh it's possible to scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly. Uh rubber uh the total uh piece of rubber that's sor uh that's that's used uh to make the case is uh the same colour, so if you scratch it it's still the same colour, perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged. But it's a very strong material. Um I h I had an idea single covered uh curved, sorry, single curved. Uh so it's t two dimensional. I think it's uh it's best to draw oh green.
  Andre Ridenour: It's a colour.
  Thomas Phillips: Bright colour.
  Raymond Burnside: Uh
  Thomas Phillips: Fancy colour.
  Raymond Burnside: New.
  Thomas Phillips: Forward.
  Raymond Burnside: Blank. Okay.
  Thomas Phillips: You have to go t
  Raymond Burnside: Let's make it uh black. Okay. I thought of an idea like this. Oh that. Um delete. Blank. Okay. So it also looks nice when it's on your table. So you get uh it doesn't lay flat down on the table, but it's c it's stands.
  Thomas Phillips: Oh it's a side view.
  Raymond Burnside: Side view yes it's side view so uh I I'm not technically good at th three D_ modelling, but. Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it's very uh so its also looks nice when it's on the table. Um the graphical user interface and the buttons, uh we also thought about that already. Uh I thought about uh the L_C_D_ touch screen, which is uh is easy to clean too. One of the great uh advantages of the L_C_D_ screen you just use some or uh another uh cleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff. And um it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright. Well I already uh s uh explained some properties of that material and I think uh well we also we almost concluded about that uh this should uh be uh our uh
  Thomas Phillips: True.
  Raymond Burnside: button component. So uh uh that's all about uh the buttons. Uh the batteries, uh we also thought about that already, uh will be chargeable with uh uh an option for a mount station so you can uh put the uh the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of uh plugging it in or something like that. Questions,
  Thomas Phillips: No no no
  Andre Ridenour: No.
  Thomas Phillips: no
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Thomas Phillips: no. Just looking.
  Raymond Burnside: And they should be long lasting, not uh not be empty uh in about uh two minutes or uh thirty minutes or forty minutes of use. And next step is the chip uh th the component that's uh makes or transmits the signal to the television. Uh there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think uh because uh of our uh highly uh requiring uh requirements, there should be an advanced chip in it with uh also the ability to uh facilitate speaker speech recognition uh which unfortunately is still in a test phase, so uh there should be some more uh investigation on that side. Uh my personal preferences uh I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use uh our own business colours. That was correct, wasn't it?
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay. I think they are rather boring for um for use with rubber.
  Max Dang: Well, business colours I thought it was the the slogan and uh the corporate image, so yeah, it
  Raymond Burnside: Okay
  Max Dang: needs colour,
  Raymond Burnside: they should be m sh they should be in mind, wasn't
  Max Dang: but I
  Raymond Burnside: it?
  Max Dang: don't think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate
  Raymond Burnside: Okay
  Max Dang: colour.
  Raymond Burnside: so it d it doesn't says uh to uh have the
  Max Dang: It
  Raymond Burnside: slogan?
  Max Dang: must be recognisable.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay okay. Well that's possible of course. We could make
  Andre Ridenour: You can put
  Raymond Burnside: a little
  Andre Ridenour: the
  Raymond Burnside: R_
  Andre Ridenour: R_ and R_.
  Raymond Burnside: and R_ on the top of the machine. Uh so they are pretty boring, I suggest, because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours uh and also in a lot of possible colours, so it's possible to make very uh fancy uh remote controls which peopl uh who people in which people will find they're uh interesting. And uh will buy uh them faster when they look at the same old grey or black uh colours. Uh s as I said uh before rubber is uh is impossible to damage severely of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that, but i if you drop it it's not uh broken uh right away s instead of using uh plastic, hard plastic or uh titanium. And I personally liked uh the single curved uh remote control, because it yeah it makes sense. Okay. Well that's all about my uh my findings.
  Andre Ridenour: Alright.
  Max Dang: Okay, thank you.
  Thomas Phillips: Mm mm
  Andre Ridenour: I will
  Thomas Phillips: mm.
  Andre Ridenour: go next.
  Thomas Phillips: Next.
  Andre Ridenour: Alright so I thought a little bit about the interface. Uh how it should look. And uh uh we uh determined that will not be no buttons, but only an L_C_D_ screen, so I had to uh look on that. And the design is therefore we just uh uh thought of. Uh first there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition. And this is that uh um uh uh you you ask you give a question through through the device and it answers you. And they already uh put this in an in a coffee maker. And so that it you say uh good morning, uh coffee maker, and it says t says to you back good morning
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: Joe or what's your name. This uh and there's an easy way to uh program that uh you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer.
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: Um
  Max Dang: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: perhaps it's useful, perhaps for because
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: people um lose the remote, they can yell uh remote where are you and calls or something.
  Thomas Phillips: It's true.
  Andre Ridenour: And perhaps we could uh implement that. And then I have to go out of the presentation because
  Raymond Burnside: Oh
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Raymond Burnside: my God.
  Andre Ridenour: tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look like but I can't draw, so uh don't make too much of it. I tried to uh the L_C_D_ screen I tried to sort of to draw. I thought uh at least uh the icon for the volume. I don't know if there is an icon for the program, but
  Raymond Burnside: Not just a P_.
  Andre Ridenour: yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: P_ yeah, just a P_.
  Andre Ridenour: So
  Raymond Burnside: ...
  Andre Ridenour: uh and then the buttons above and uh below the and the and the mute button also recognisable as an icon. Um.
  Thomas Phillips: Where's where's the button for two?
  Andre Ridenour: I forgot that one.
  Thomas Phillips: Okay.
  Andre Ridenour: I thought I forgot something, but uh. And uh and uh the numbers, that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and
  Raymond Burnside: Ah.
  Andre Ridenour: so forth.
  Thomas Phillips: Doesn't matter.
  Andre Ridenour: Um an options button. And I thought the the button for teletext apar uh apart because it's not really options, I think.
  Raymond Burnside: Mm-hmm.
  Andre Ridenour: It's uh options
  Thomas Phillips: No.
  Andre Ridenour: is the settings of the remote and of the T_V_ and that kind of uh thing.
  Raymond Burnside: Yep.
  Andre Ridenour: So could call it settings or something. But this is a bit uh how I thought it. And uh the L_C_D_ uh somewhere on the remote. Perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should, so that it's better in your hand or something uh.
  Raymond Burnside: Oh okay, yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: But uh and and uh a microph microphone for the speech uh recognition if we want to implement that. Uh and then uh if you press the op options button, now we have an example of and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this.
  Raymond Burnside: Oh yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: And uh it's also uh I thought think we discussed uh earlier that uh older people don't really want to use uh these extra settings. And older people a also don't really want to use this uh th this kind of option menus. So they want to u use one button and then something happens, and not choose with uh this kind of uh And you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Andre Ridenour: side of your uh remote, so you
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: could scroll scroll uh across these uh things.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Andre Ridenour: That's an option. And that was my uh finding dinge.
  Max Dang: Thanks.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Okay.
  Max Dang: Now our third
  Raymond Burnside: Go Danny, go Danny.
  Max Dang: team member with his presentation.
  Thomas Phillips: Okay, going to you about trend watching. The trends from the past years what the people like, what the youngsters, what the elderly people liked about shapes, material and stuff. 'Kay. The method I used was Like I told I watched the trends from the past years about colours, shapes, material they wanted uh from elderly and young people. So we can keep that in mind for designing f uh the device itself. Findings I made. The most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look look fancy. The second important thing that w should be if inv in innov innovative, okay, like the L_C_D_ screen that's quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this. And the third thing is it should be easy to use. I think with only one menu, four button, channel, volume, it should also be enough for easy to use. The personal preferences for the young people, they liked fruity colours like uh
  Raymond Burnside: Fruity?
  Thomas Phillips: banana yellow, uh
  Raymond Burnside: Fruity.
  Thomas Phillips: strawberry red and stuff.
  Andre Ridenour: Grass green.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah. Like that. The round shapes, and soft material m materials like the rubber.
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Thomas Phillips: It should be
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Thomas Phillips: soft uh i it should feeling spongy or s Sponge Bob like things.
  Andre Ridenour: Let's
  Thomas Phillips: Th
  Andre Ridenour: build it into a sponge.
  Thomas Phillips: Elderly people like au colours which y are being seen in autumn like um woods um dark brown, red, deep reds and stuff. They liked square shapes with round edges. And hard materials like wood, um titanium. They those kind of materials they liked. This is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colours, innovative, all the colours you see, the blue, the red, the white, the yellow, that stuff. And then I th I I personally thought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters
  Max Dang: Oh y
  Thomas Phillips: like like this or something. It's it's a bit like a banana. And the colour should be yellow, or something. And for the elderly people just plain old. Because we decided to have two kind of remotes, two designs, or was it two
  Andre Ridenour: It
  Thomas Phillips: colours?
  Andre Ridenour: was one
  Thomas Phillips: Different
  Andre Ridenour: remote,
  Thomas Phillips: colours, yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: I think, different
  Thomas Phillips: We should
  Andre Ridenour: colours.
  Thomas Phillips: decide whether it's going to be with round shapes. I think like my colleague, you said, is that's e better, or for the elderly people something like like the iPod or something, with round squares. Simple but easy to use.
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Thomas Phillips: So that's it.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Max Dang: So
  Thomas Phillips: That
  Max Dang: for
  Thomas Phillips: is
  Max Dang: the older
  Thomas Phillips: my
  Max Dang: people, a more traditional
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Max Dang: uh
  Thomas Phillips: like the
  Max Dang: form.
  Thomas Phillips: older o older colours I can maybe
  Andre Ridenour: You could you could uh change the colours, that was also the idea. I
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: don't know which shape you should should take, but.
  Thomas Phillips: Colours th the elderly
  Max Dang: Yeah,
  Thomas Phillips: people
  Max Dang: I guess changing colours will be easier than changing
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Changing
  Max Dang: uh
  Raymond Burnside: just the shape of the
  Max Dang: the shape
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Max Dang: of it.
  Raymond Burnside: remote control?
  Andre Ridenour: Perhaps you could find something in the middle.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: Round
  Raymond Burnside: s
  Andre Ridenour: but square.
  Raymond Burnside: round corners, but s but square, yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: But maybe then both groups won't buy it.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Uh i i if you do it uh uh square, with round corners but a little uh in the middle of it uh i Do
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: you
  Raymond Burnside: I know what
  Andre Ridenour: know
  Raymond Burnside: you
  Andre Ridenour: what
  Raymond Burnside: mean,
  Andre Ridenour: I mean?
  Raymond Burnside: kind of like a.
  Andre Ridenour: wait, like like this uh a bit.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: So it's a bit square, but it's also a bit uh round.
  Raymond Burnside: Kinda like a beer glass.
  Andre Ridenour: So
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: but then
  Raymond Burnside: I know what you mean.
  Andre Ridenour: Same sides.
  Raymond Burnside: It's also easy
  Andre Ridenour: But that's
  Raymond Burnside: to
  Andre Ridenour: uh
  Raymond Burnside: to have to to put in your hand.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah but that's also how other remotes are shaped, so that's uh
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: But perhaps that's a good thing, so that's easy to use. People know the
  Raymond Burnside: Will recognise that's as a remote
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: control.
  Thomas Phillips: Uh
  Raymond Burnside: Uh when I saw your d Oh.
  Thomas Phillips: Look something like that. Autumn colours like red, brown. They liked the wood
  Raymond Burnside: Huh.
  Thomas Phillips: a lot.
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Thomas Phillips: So
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: maybe we could give it like wooden loo look look or something
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah, kinda
  Thomas Phillips: in
  Raymond Burnside: like old
  Thomas Phillips: that
  Raymond Burnside: cars,
  Thomas Phillips: colour. And
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Thomas Phillips: a bit bit
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: old school style renaissance, medieval kind of things.
  Andre Ridenour: Swords.
  Raymond Burnside: Let's
  Thomas Phillips: Those
  Raymond Burnside: put
  Thomas Phillips: kind
  Raymond Burnside: it all
  Thomas Phillips: of Yeah,
  Raymond Burnside: together.
  Thomas Phillips: those kind of things. So you see the big difference between the young people? Fresh,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: exciting. And the old people,
  Andre Ridenour: But that's easily
  Thomas Phillips: old
  Andre Ridenour: to do
  Thomas Phillips: and
  Andre Ridenour: with
  Thomas Phillips: boring.
  Andre Ridenour: the colour, I think.
  Thomas Phillips: So Sorry?
  Andre Ridenour: That's easy to do with the colours,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Thomas Phillips: I think
  Andre Ridenour: think.
  Thomas Phillips: it's it's easier to do in colour than in shape.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Thomas Phillips: Because otherwise
  Max Dang: Yeah we
  Thomas Phillips: we have
  Max Dang: think so
  Thomas Phillips: to
  Max Dang: too.
  Thomas Phillips: get different shapes, and colour way easier than yeah the shapes. In material yeah rubber, rubber is, like I said, young people like more soft materials and spongy ones and the old people like plain wood.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: So we have to decide if we're going to use real hard rubber, or soft rubber.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: Or something something
  Andre Ridenour: think
  Thomas Phillips: between
  Andre Ridenour: uh
  Thomas Phillips: that.
  Raymond Burnside: Soft
  Andre Ridenour: Also
  Raymond Burnside: rubber.
  Andre Ridenour: in between.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah soft rubber which you can you can feel
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: in it.
  Raymond Burnside: I know what you Um.
  Andre Ridenour: I don't think you should
  Thomas Phillips: Or
  Andre Ridenour: be able to mould it, but
  Thomas Phillips: No. Or
  Raymond Burnside: It should
  Thomas Phillips: or wh what's
  Raymond Burnside: shouldn't
  Thomas Phillips: something
  Raymond Burnside: be.
  Thomas Phillips: harder. No no no but but you have to like like like a a eraser or something. That's the bit you
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: can press it in, or something harder.
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Andre Ridenour: Bit like this kind of rubber. This uh
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, something like this, yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: But it's quite hard, this.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah it's quite hard but you can press it in.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: It's feels kind s spongy.
  Raymond Burnside: Spongy.
  Max Dang: Hmm.
  Thomas Phillips: Something.
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Thomas Phillips: No.
  Andre Ridenour: don't think it's rubber.
  Thomas Phillips: N n n
  Max Dang: So we need a spongy feeling.
  Andre Ridenour: Uh did you have something about uh
  Thomas Phillips: Are you going to invite
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Sponge Bob, maybe he can
  Andre Ridenour: So
  Raymond Burnside: Ding
  Andre Ridenour: we
  Raymond Burnside: ding.
  Andre Ridenour: should first decide about shape, I think.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah I
  Andre Ridenour: Which
  Thomas Phillips: think
  Andre Ridenour: uh
  Thomas Phillips: that's the better thing to do.
  Andre Ridenour: Then you can fit the L_C_D_ screen in it, and can decide uh.
  Raymond Burnside: Um I also s uh can't help but notice that you uh used an you had a remote control and the L_C_D_ screen was uh rather small.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah w
  Raymond Burnside: Um.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: I think
  Raymond Burnside: ...
  Thomas Phillips: that
  Andre Ridenour: it's
  Thomas Phillips: L_C_D_
  Andre Ridenour: supposed
  Thomas Phillips: screen
  Andre Ridenour: to be
  Thomas Phillips: should
  Andre Ridenour: bit
  Thomas Phillips: be
  Andre Ridenour: s bit s bit
  Raymond Burnside: This
  Thomas Phillips: like
  Raymond Burnside: was your size,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: but I think it should be larger.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah three quarter of the
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah, three
  Thomas Phillips: of
  Raymond Burnside: quarters.
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Raymond Burnside: So uh so you don't have to put your
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: oh.
  Thomas Phillips: the buttons won't get that small
  Raymond Burnside: Uh new,
  Thomas Phillips: when the L_C_D_ screen
  Raymond Burnside: blank.
  Thomas Phillips: is
  Raymond Burnside: So uh when you get this uh
  Andre Ridenour: Ooh
  Raymond Burnside: Uh kinda like this.
  Thomas Phillips: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: Or
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: should it be larger?
  Thomas Phillips: Larger I think.
  Raymond Burnside: Larger? Because you want to put your hands
  Andre Ridenour: But if
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: you pu
  Thomas Phillips: becau because
  Andre Ridenour: Now
  Raymond Burnside: You want
  Thomas Phillips: you have
  Andre Ridenour: you can put your hand there and then you won't touch the screen.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Perhaps
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah okay,
  Andre Ridenour: that's
  Thomas Phillips: true,
  Andre Ridenour: best.
  Thomas Phillips: true, true true.
  Raymond Burnside: Your thumb here.
  Andre Ridenour: But not on the screen because
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah that's uh
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: that's an idea. Looks a
  Raymond Burnside: Because
  Andre Ridenour: bit like
  Raymond Burnside: when you
  Andre Ridenour: a Game
  Raymond Burnside: put your
  Andre Ridenour: Boy
  Raymond Burnside: f
  Andre Ridenour: now.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah but if yo if you make the the L_C_D_ screen as large as the remote control itself, uh you'll you'll always get some You
  Andre Ridenour: You always touch it,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: yeah
  Raymond Burnside: Going
  Thomas Phillips: yeah
  Raymond Burnside: to be
  Thomas Phillips: yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: very greasy and stuff.
  Thomas Phillips: But it won't get that small because you have how much? Nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen buttons on the screen.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: One to zero,
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah you don't want
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Raymond Burnside: it
  Thomas Phillips: two
  Raymond Burnside: too
  Thomas Phillips: digit,
  Raymond Burnside: small. How yeah how large
  Thomas Phillips: You have to you have to Because some fat people with d thick fingers
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah they have thick
  Thomas Phillips: will
  Raymond Burnside: fingers.
  Thomas Phillips: press three buttons at same time.
  Raymond Burnside: But if you wanna make it in international, Japanese uh people got uh rather small hands
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah true, but
  Raymond Burnside: and
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Raymond Burnside: we got
  Thomas Phillips: we
  Raymond Burnside: these
  Thomas Phillips: have
  Raymond Burnside: large
  Thomas Phillips: we have the zoom option, right?
  Raymond Burnside: Zoom opt Ah yeah of course, yeah. You can make it larger to to uh to uh with accompanying
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: uh greater fields to push the button.
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Max Dang: And we won't include a a pen, or something to point,
  Thomas Phillips: No.
  Max Dang: hey, we we want to do it with our fingers,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Max Dang: right?
  Raymond Burnside: Your fingers, yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: You don't
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: want
  Andre Ridenour: Y
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Andre Ridenour: you
  Raymond Burnside: Because
  Andre Ridenour: could
  Raymond Burnside: if
  Thomas Phillips: Use
  Raymond Burnside: you
  Andre Ridenour: include
  Raymond Burnside: lose
  Thomas Phillips: a pen
  Raymond Burnside: the
  Thomas Phillips: You
  Raymond Burnside: pen
  Andre Ridenour: a
  Thomas Phillips: you
  Andre Ridenour: pen.
  Thomas Phillips: c you
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Thomas Phillips: can lose the pen.
  Max Dang: Yeah but I
  Raymond Burnside: if
  Max Dang: think
  Raymond Burnside: you lose the pen
  Max Dang: people want
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Max Dang: to
  Raymond Burnside: you
  Max Dang: use
  Raymond Burnside: can't
  Max Dang: a remote
  Raymond Burnside: use
  Max Dang: with with their
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Max Dang: fingers
  Thomas Phillips: the fingers,
  Max Dang: because
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah
  Max Dang: th
  Andre Ridenour: o
  Max Dang: they're used
  Thomas Phillips: yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: yeah,
  Max Dang: to that and
  Andre Ridenour: if they think it's handy to use a pen. Yeah I think this uh this is a good size for the screen. I don't know how how large the actual remote should be but a little bit
  Max Dang: And
  Andre Ridenour: like
  Max Dang: maybe we
  Andre Ridenour: this,
  Max Dang: have
  Andre Ridenour: or
  Max Dang: to
  Andre Ridenour: something.
  Max Dang: add a tissue to remove the grease from all the fingers,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Max Dang: huh.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah but that
  Raymond Burnside: You
  Thomas Phillips: that can
  Raymond Burnside: can
  Thomas Phillips: be
  Raymond Burnside: do
  Thomas Phillips: with
  Raymond Burnside: whatever
  Thomas Phillips: plain
  Raymond Burnside: uh any uh
  Thomas Phillips: soft tissue.
  Raymond Burnside: cloth.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, you
  Max Dang: Okay
  Thomas Phillips: can buy
  Max Dang: well
  Thomas Phillips: those
  Max Dang: maybe,
  Thomas Phillips: at
  Max Dang: if I can interrupt you, maybe I should uh should show some points on which we uh should take a decision.
  Raymond Burnside: Sure.
  Max Dang: So we can discuss these points. those points um energy question mark. How how should we uh supply the thing with energy and how are we going to do it with separate docking station and then put in it. Uh chip on print and case. Those are points my uh coach advised Thomas Phillips to discuss here, but I hope you have ideas about them.
  Andre Ridenour: I think energy were batteries and then uh and uh
  Raymond Burnside: The docking station.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: Yeah. So that's the
  Thomas Phillips: Maybe
  Max Dang: the
  Thomas Phillips: it's
  Max Dang: the
  Thomas Phillips: better
  Max Dang: first
  Thomas Phillips: to
  Max Dang: point. We
  Thomas Phillips: to
  Max Dang: already
  Thomas Phillips: include
  Max Dang: decided that on
  Raymond Burnside: W
  Max Dang: the
  Thomas Phillips: rechargeable
  Max Dang: previous
  Thomas Phillips: batteries
  Max Dang: meeting.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: which you can recharge
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: through the docking station.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: So
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: if
  Andre Ridenour: Just
  Thomas Phillips: the badg
  Andre Ridenour: like
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Andre Ridenour: with
  Thomas Phillips: batteries
  Andre Ridenour: the
  Thomas Phillips: are
  Andre Ridenour: telephone.
  Thomas Phillips: dead
  Raymond Burnside: I kinda
  Thomas Phillips: then you can
  Raymond Burnside: like
  Thomas Phillips: re
  Raymond Burnside: your
  Thomas Phillips: you can uh change them.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah you got some uh some of those uh uh wireless uh mice?
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: Mouse.
  Thomas Phillips: yeah
  Raymond Burnside: Computer
  Thomas Phillips: yeah
  Raymond Burnside: mouse.
  Thomas Phillips: like those.
  Raymond Burnside: Kinda like those kind of batteries.
  Thomas Phillips: Yep.
  Andre Ridenour: but it should be th I think normal batteries, not
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: not
  Thomas Phillips: normal
  Andre Ridenour: like two or
  Thomas Phillips: plain you
  Andre Ridenour: two uh
  Thomas Phillips: No normal plain batteries
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: you can buy at the supermarket
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: or retail
  Max Dang: Simple
  Thomas Phillips: shop.
  Max Dang: rechargeable
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Max Dang: uh
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: batteries.
  Andre Ridenour: Um what was with the chip on print?
  Raymond Burnside: The chip on print? Um Uh you gotta f Yeah. I think so. Chip on print with a with a
  Thomas Phillips: Print
  Raymond Burnside: simple
  Thomas Phillips: plate.
  Raymond Burnside: uh a sim not a simple but a We also discussed that. Didn't we?
  Max Dang: Yeah but how did this how does that with a L_C_D_ screen? You still have a print plate.
  Raymond Burnside: Uh
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah yeah yeah. You always have a print plate.
  Raymond Burnside: Beg your pardon?
  Thomas Phillips: You always have a print plate, right?
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah sure,
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: of course, yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Always, so I dunno what w what we have to decide about that.
  Max Dang: Yeah well it's a good question. It just was in there and I didn't
  Raymond Burnside: Well
  Max Dang: have
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Max Dang: any
  Raymond Burnside: chip
  Max Dang: information
  Raymond Burnside: on print,
  Max Dang: about it,
  Raymond Burnside: I
  Max Dang: but
  Raymond Burnside: think what they mean uh with the regular rubber buttons that you got, uh it's always clear for the remote control when you press uh a certain button.
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: But when you got a L_C_D_ screen,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, okay.
  Raymond Burnside: with no uh with not the buttons
  Thomas Phillips: But
  Raymond Burnside: are not always on the same place, for example if you enlarge a button, or if you got several
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: options uh appearing on your screen, uh the co-ordinations aren't always the same. When you got a regular button, th the button of stand-by is always on the same
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: place
  Thomas Phillips: okay, but
  Raymond Burnside: and you got on the
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Raymond Burnside: and on the
  Thomas Phillips: p print plate of L_ L_C_D_ screen is more advanced than a normal
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: print plate, so that that's not of any discussion, I think.
  Max Dang: Well you need some kind of C_P_U_, I guess.
  Raymond Burnside: I suppose
  Thomas Phillips: Mm,
  Raymond Burnside: so.
  Thomas Phillips: I don't I dunno I don't think that's
  Raymond Burnside: It is a simple C_P_U_ but it doesn't
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah yeah okay but I d I I don't know if nor o s it's
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: quite
  Raymond Burnside: because
  Thomas Phillips: a simple
  Raymond Burnside: it has
  Thomas Phillips: L_C_D_.
  Raymond Burnside: to uh b
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, it's quite a simple L_C_D_ screen. I think they don't need that big
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah but
  Thomas Phillips: of C_P_U_.
  Raymond Burnside: it the the remote control has to know whether you're in a settings menu or just uh you just want to turn up the volume.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, okay, true true. True.
  Raymond Burnside: So it has to have some kind of a calculation unit or C_P_U_ to know uh in which state you are and uh which button you are pressing in at the right moment.
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm. Because we're projecting projecting the buttons on the L_C_D_
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Max Dang: screen.
  Raymond Burnside: And a touch screen makes it uh possible to uh to get the co-ordination of your finger
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: on the screen. And the case, yeah we already discussed
  Andre Ridenour: It's
  Raymond Burnside: the case,
  Andre Ridenour: rubber.
  Raymond Burnside: we wanted to make it from rubber
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: and
  Andre Ridenour: but
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Andre Ridenour: but a hard rubber like this? Or softer rubber or
  Raymond Burnside: Uh hard rubber I think.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: That's the easy to ha uh to to
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Andre Ridenour: It bounces back from
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: the floor where you
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: We
  Andre Ridenour: throw
  Raymond Burnside: sure,
  Thomas Phillips: have different
  Andre Ridenour: it.
  Raymond Burnside: look.
  Thomas Phillips: colours.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah yeah this
  Thomas Phillips: So
  Andre Ridenour: in different
  Thomas Phillips: the shapes
  Raymond Burnside: D
  Andre Ridenour: colours?
  Thomas Phillips: is something between the square shapes with round colo corners and a round shapes? No I don't think, I think it's more round than square.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah it's a bit. But I think
  Thomas Phillips: So it
  Andre Ridenour: it
  Thomas Phillips: meets
  Andre Ridenour: should be a bit longer,
  Thomas Phillips: I think
  Andre Ridenour: perhaps.
  Thomas Phillips: it meets more the young people than the older people.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: Yeah. But
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Max Dang: that's
  Andre Ridenour: think
  Max Dang: what
  Andre Ridenour: so
  Max Dang: we want,
  Andre Ridenour: too.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, that's our target.
  Raymond Burnside: It's our main target.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Thomas Phillips: Lower than forty years, I think it
  Raymond Burnside: Well
  Thomas Phillips: was.
  Raymond Burnside: and how about my idea uh of making it um with one single curve?
  Thomas Phillips: Oh yeah that that
  Raymond Burnside: So i
  Thomas Phillips: I think I thought that
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: was a quite good
  Raymond Burnside: Because it's a gadget and you want
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: to show it off, of course.
  Max Dang: Yeah yeah you have
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: a fancy design,
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Max Dang: then, right away.
  Thomas Phillips: You can
  Max Dang: So
  Thomas Phillips: put
  Raymond Burnside: Because
  Thomas Phillips: it
  Raymond Burnside: it
  Thomas Phillips: on your table with
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: the L_C_D_ screen, you don't have to put it get it in your hand, you can put it next to you and then
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: dive it in
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah, that's
  Thomas Phillips: and.
  Andre Ridenour: a good idea.
  Raymond Burnside: It's a lot easier.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah, alright.
  Thomas Phillips: So
  Raymond Burnside: So, so
  Max Dang: Okay
  Raymond Burnside: you got uh
  Max Dang: so
  Raymond Burnside: Did
  Andre Ridenour: And then
  Raymond Burnside: you write that down? Uh got a single curved uh rubber f uh fancy coloured
  Thomas Phillips: You can't
  Raymond Burnside: remote
  Thomas Phillips: you
  Raymond Burnside: control.
  Thomas Phillips: You can't oh, you c you can draw it on your paper and then load
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: it on the
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah, you can uh
  Max Dang: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: It's
  Max Dang: but
  Andre Ridenour: pretty
  Max Dang: I wrote it
  Andre Ridenour: easy
  Max Dang: down.
  Andre Ridenour: but
  Thomas Phillips: And load
  Andre Ridenour: And
  Thomas Phillips: it on the the user the server.
  Max Dang: What about the user interface, there are also some some questions uh about the concepts I think you have some ideas
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah,
  Max Dang: on that.
  Andre Ridenour: I had what
  Max Dang: You
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Max Dang: you showed your
  Andre Ridenour: just
  Max Dang: drawing.
  Andre Ridenour: uh I should again. I miss a few buttons, but. Well. At least uh what we should also have on, I just remembered, um a menu to go back through the first uh
  Thomas Phillips: Mm-hmm.
  Andre Ridenour: if if you touch options,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: you
  Thomas Phillips: you
  Andre Ridenour: can't
  Thomas Phillips: have to go
  Andre Ridenour: go
  Thomas Phillips: back.
  Andre Ridenour: back to this
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: uh
  Thomas Phillips: uh uh.
  Andre Ridenour: right away now. This
  Thomas Phillips: Isn't it better to have the sound and the general buttons horizontal?
  Andre Ridenour: I don't know.
  Thomas Phillips: With the minus and the plus.
  Andre Ridenour: I think
  Thomas Phillips: I
  Andre Ridenour: it's
  Thomas Phillips: think it's easier
  Andre Ridenour: I don't
  Thomas Phillips: than
  Andre Ridenour: know. I I thought it was uh easier to handle
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: this way, but I don't know what they think.
  Raymond Burnside: Sorry?
  Andre Ridenour: Would
  Max Dang: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: you like the the buttons horizontal or v vertical?
  Thomas Phillips: For sound and
  Raymond Burnside: Depends
  Andre Ridenour: Th
  Thomas Phillips: channel.
  Raymond Burnside: on the screen. If you make the screen vertical it doesn't matter. If you make it uh in a rectangle
  Andre Ridenour: Right
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: well if we make it like this,
  Raymond Burnside: I so
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Raymond Burnside: it's
  Andre Ridenour: think
  Raymond Burnside: it's
  Andre Ridenour: if you
  Raymond Burnside: it's it's
  Andre Ridenour: put it like
  Raymond Burnside: Square.
  Andre Ridenour: this
  Thomas Phillips: I think it's it's easier to have it something like Oh a button uh minus here, plus over here. A minus here, plus over here.
  Raymond Burnside: Oh, okay.
  Thomas Phillips: And on here.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: The other buttons and on here the top. The options
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah. But I think
  Thomas Phillips: and
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Thomas Phillips: then
  Andre Ridenour: wou
  Thomas Phillips: you have something like uh the P_ over here, and the sound.
  Andre Ridenour: I think
  Thomas Phillips: Something
  Andre Ridenour: that's a
  Thomas Phillips: uh
  Andre Ridenour: matter of what you're used to. I think I would put a plus and a min uh here. And then the P_ in the mid in the middle and the sound uh in the middle.
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Thomas Phillips: Something like Sh
  Raymond Burnside: Take your time.
  Thomas Phillips: Plus minus plus uh
  Andre Ridenour: Almost.
  Thomas Phillips: minus.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah but I think when you are holding it, you could press the minus and the plus and with the other finger the minus and the plus.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah I think you're going to s you're going to use it with one thumb.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah but I think Yeah I don't know. Perhaps
  Raymond Burnside: W
  Andre Ridenour: I have some examples.
  Raymond Burnside: We'll leave
  Andre Ridenour: I don't
  Raymond Burnside: that
  Andre Ridenour: know
  Raymond Burnside: to the usability engineering then.
  Thomas Phillips: Who's the usability engineering?
  Andre Ridenour: That's Thomas Phillips.
  Thomas Phillips: She is.
  Andre Ridenour: But I'm going to look if I've got some examples 'cause perhaps you should choose what's most
  Thomas Phillips: Oh.
  Andre Ridenour: often used. The
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Um
  Andre Ridenour: 'Cause they can use that better.
  Raymond Burnside: Consistency.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Oh I have that
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Thomas Phillips: those s numbers.
  Andre Ridenour: Here is our here are uh
  Thomas Phillips: Or a good watch.
  Andre Ridenour: I don't really know.
  Thomas Phillips: B
  Max Dang: Everybody's searching in his data.
  Thomas Phillips: Channel
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: selection. Per hour one hundred and sixty eight. Volume selection four times
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: an
  Andre Ridenour: but
  Thomas Phillips: hour
  Andre Ridenour: But I mean if it's usually plus or min above each other or next to each other
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: on a normal remote.
  Thomas Phillips: Uh
  Raymond Burnside: So not how much n not how often it's used, but
  Andre Ridenour: W what's
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: what's
  Thomas Phillips: that
  Andre Ridenour: usual
  Thomas Phillips: depends
  Andre Ridenour: or normal.
  Thomas Phillips: on on on
  Andre Ridenour: Yes
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Andre Ridenour: I'm
  Thomas Phillips: remote.
  Andre Ridenour: looking here. But here's it's
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Andre Ridenour: below, here also, and now here's here's next to each other. I think it's it's a
  Thomas Phillips: I think because I have two televisions at home. One is horizontal, one is vertical, so it
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah it does
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: it
  Thomas Phillips: depends.
  Raymond Burnside: doesn't really matter, but
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah. Depends.
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Andre Ridenour: I think the the the volume was usually uh above each other, because you go higher and
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: down.
  Thomas Phillips: lower.
  Andre Ridenour: And the the pay the the the program is next to each other, because you would go further and back.
  Thomas Phillips: True.
  Andre Ridenour: That's how it's is usually when I look here
  Raymond Burnside: Okay,
  Andre Ridenour: that's
  Raymond Burnside: um.
  Andre Ridenour: what I see.
  Raymond Burnside: Let's cut to the chase.
  Thomas Phillips: It's got to change.
  Max Dang: Yeah well I think we have we don't have to decide about that now how where we will put the buttons
  Andre Ridenour: I don't know.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah is it
  Max Dang: just
  Thomas Phillips: is
  Max Dang: the
  Thomas Phillips: user interface.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: concepts.
  Thomas Phillips: Component.
  Andre Ridenour: This concept is in the actual design, but you should know where you would place
  Raymond Burnside: Okay,
  Andre Ridenour: a
  Raymond Burnside: well le Yeah. Interface,
  Andre Ridenour: And the speech
  Raymond Burnside: yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: uh shall we implement that? Or uh
  Max Dang: Yeah well we just heard about the new uh
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Max Dang: technology,
  Thomas Phillips: I
  Raymond Burnside: Technologies,
  Thomas Phillips: think it's it's
  Raymond Burnside: uh.
  Max Dang: huh?
  Thomas Phillips: easy for that, where are you, but then it says I'm
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: here.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Makes it
  Andre Ridenour: But
  Raymond Burnside: possible
  Andre Ridenour: then you
  Raymond Burnside: to
  Andre Ridenour: should
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: also find a place You could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something.
  Raymond Burnside: Mm.
  Andre Ridenour: You can talk into the corner.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, a microphone, yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Not even
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: necessary, because a lotta you can make a very sensitive microphone, so it makes it possible to uh just put it arou uh underneath it or on the on the bottom of the uh
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: remote.
  Max Dang: maybe at the
  Andre Ridenour: But
  Max Dang: bottom where you can can hel hold it
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah,
  Max Dang: with
  Andre Ridenour: that's
  Max Dang: you hand
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: also.
  Max Dang: that there's also a microphone uh
  Raymond Burnside: Right.
  Max Dang: over there.
  Andre Ridenour: So,
  Raymond Burnside: But
  Andre Ridenour: in
  Raymond Burnside: that's
  Andre Ridenour: the
  Raymond Burnside: not
  Andre Ridenour: middle
  Raymond Burnside: import
  Andre Ridenour: or something.
  Raymond Burnside: I
  Max Dang: Yeah,
  Raymond Burnside: think
  Max Dang: yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: that's not im very important because yeah, it doesn't matter where the microphone is.
  Andre Ridenour: but you should uh decide where you want
  Raymond Burnside: Ah
  Andre Ridenour: to
  Raymond Burnside: okay,
  Andre Ridenour: put it.
  Raymond Burnside: sure, okay,
  Andre Ridenour: Right?
  Raymond Burnside: well tha
  Thomas Phillips: Um I
  Raymond Burnside: Underneath?
  Thomas Phillips: think where it isn't seen the most.
  Raymond Burnside: Indeed. It shouldn't be uh
  Thomas Phillips: Inside.
  Andre Ridenour: You
  Raymond Burnside: very
  Andre Ridenour: could p you
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Andre Ridenour: could
  Raymond Burnside: visible.
  Andre Ridenour: put it in a logo of the company.
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah sure,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Max Dang: Well
  Raymond Burnside: why
  Max Dang: maybe
  Raymond Burnside: no
  Max Dang: just
  Thomas Phillips: I i
  Max Dang: in the
  Thomas Phillips: between
  Max Dang: the spot
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Max Dang: you just
  Thomas Phillips: round of the R_.
  Max Dang: pointed out
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Max Dang: because I think it should be in a in an important position where people can see it, because it is the the unique uh idea of our remote, huh, the the speech
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: control.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah,
  Andre Ridenour: So where
  Thomas Phillips: okay.
  Andre Ridenour: do you want to put it?
  Max Dang: Well maybe
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah but it doesn't makes
  Max Dang: where
  Raymond Burnside: it uh
  Max Dang: the one hand
  Raymond Burnside: any more fancy because you get to see uh
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah actually it does
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: because it you can you can find it better if you use it.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah bu but
  Andre Ridenour: It's a way for you to uh
  Raymond Burnside: Uh.
  Andre Ridenour: So it makes more sense just 'cause other remotes don't have that.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah, okay.
  Max Dang: But are we talking about the button, or about the microphone?
  Andre Ridenour: About a microphone,
  Max Dang: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: there
  Max Dang: because
  Andre Ridenour: is no button.
  Max Dang: a microphone is very small thing, but you can make it look like it's big
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: so as its its really an important function of the remote.
  Thomas Phillips: I think the left s under corner should be the best. Where isn't i it isn't most in sight.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Thomas Phillips: I think.
  Raymond Burnside: Well put it there. I don't mind. That doesn't doesn't really matter.
  Thomas Phillips: No. Actually doesn't.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Andre Ridenour: Alright.
  Raymond Burnside: So?
  Andre Ridenour: Any more uh
  Max Dang: So well uh type, supplements,
  Raymond Burnside: Interface type.
  Max Dang: anything. Yeah, well we already s discussed
  Raymond Burnside: The L_C_D_
  Max Dang: that, huh, the the
  Raymond Burnside: yeah,
  Max Dang: L_C_D_
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Max Dang: and
  Raymond Burnside: supplements
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: well
  Thomas Phillips: I
  Raymond Burnside: the
  Thomas Phillips: think
  Raymond Burnside: supplement
  Thomas Phillips: I
  Raymond Burnside: is
  Thomas Phillips: thought
  Raymond Burnside: to yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: the, like you said, like scroll next to the remote
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: isn't that handy. I think it's better to just up what you'd like to do on the screen. If you want to go back you have to back button go back,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: if you want to choose audio settings you press audio settings and it goes to that s sub-menu.
  Raymond Burnside: Hey,
  Andre Ridenour: Um yeah. Yeah the the young people do like
  Raymond Burnside: Use
  Andre Ridenour: uh scroll
  Raymond Burnside: the scroll.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah?
  Andre Ridenour: uh
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Thomas Phillips: You do
  Andre Ridenour: yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: like
  Raymond Burnside: I think
  Thomas Phillips: it?
  Raymond Burnside: so too. So why not, on on side.
  Andre Ridenour: Or at least Yeah I don't know if it's really the scroll, but the menu they like most, and I think you can never get through a menu
  Raymond Burnside: Fast,
  Andre Ridenour: great with a
  Raymond Burnside: yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: scroll uh
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: So
  Thomas Phillips: I think
  Raymond Burnside: if you've
  Thomas Phillips: it
  Raymond Burnside: got a
  Thomas Phillips: is
  Raymond Burnside: settings,
  Thomas Phillips: is faster.
  Raymond Burnside: if you
  Thomas Phillips: Becau I think the scroll's easier if you have a lot of options,
  Raymond Burnside: Yes.
  Thomas Phillips: but if you don't have a lot
  Andre Ridenour: But you
  Thomas Phillips: of
  Andre Ridenour: have
  Thomas Phillips: option
  Andre Ridenour: it's
  Thomas Phillips: then
  Raymond Burnside: You
  Andre Ridenour: f uh
  Raymond Burnside: have a lot of options,
  Andre Ridenour: we have
  Raymond Burnside: because when
  Andre Ridenour: five
  Raymond Burnside: you use
  Andre Ridenour: or
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: four
  Raymond Burnside: you get
  Andre Ridenour: or
  Raymond Burnside: w
  Andre Ridenour: something.
  Raymond Burnside: when you
  Thomas Phillips: Y
  Raymond Burnside: use uh the settings menu for example to look up some uh uh some channels on your uh on your television,
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: you should scroll scroll down uh on a menu
  Thomas Phillips: Uh-huh.
  Raymond Burnside: which probably does not fit on your screen.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, okay,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: true.
  Raymond Burnside: So then it's uh very handy to to scroll down,
  Thomas Phillips: Okay.
  Raymond Burnside: you make just a rubber just like uh on your mouse or. Just put it on the side and it's very easy to use.
  Thomas Phillips: Okay, no problem.
  Max Dang: And I think I would it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah,
  Max Dang: on the side which
  Raymond Burnside: yeah.
  Max Dang: you
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: can touch and
  Andre Ridenour: It's also different.
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Okay.
  Max Dang: Okay. Well there's our five minutes uh warning. Um any more uh questions about about the design or the user
  Thomas Phillips: Um.
  Max Dang: interface or different components, everyone?
  Thomas Phillips: No, colours are clear, shape is
  Max Dang: Everybody
  Thomas Phillips: clear,
  Max Dang: think they can
  Thomas Phillips: material
  Max Dang: can
  Thomas Phillips: is clear.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay, what's the standard colour?
  Max Dang: work for that?
  Thomas Phillips: And a standard, yeah
  Max Dang: Is
  Thomas Phillips: we
  Max Dang: there
  Thomas Phillips: don't
  Max Dang: a standard colour?
  Thomas Phillips: no we
  Raymond Burnside: I
  Thomas Phillips: have
  Raymond Burnside: I
  Thomas Phillips: different colour. How many colours
  Raymond Burnside: You got
  Thomas Phillips: are
  Raymond Burnside: you
  Thomas Phillips: we
  Raymond Burnside: got
  Thomas Phillips: going
  Andre Ridenour: You
  Raymond Burnside: different
  Andre Ridenour: should
  Thomas Phillips: to
  Raymond Burnside: colours,
  Andre Ridenour: you should have
  Raymond Burnside: but
  Andre Ridenour: a
  Raymond Burnside: you
  Andre Ridenour: black
  Raymond Burnside: should
  Andre Ridenour: one
  Raymond Burnside: have a standard
  Andre Ridenour: because uh
  Raymond Burnside: colour.
  Andre Ridenour: I think black
  Thomas Phillips: Black.
  Andre Ridenour: is standard.
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, black I
  Raymond Burnside: Black?
  Thomas Phillips: think is is the standard.
  Raymond Burnside: With the with the yellow
  Andre Ridenour: But if you
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Andre Ridenour: want to be different,
  Thomas Phillips: Dark grey, something
  Andre Ridenour: then uh
  Thomas Phillips: like this this colour or something.
  Raymond Burnside: Just a regular uh
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: remote
  Thomas Phillips: like like
  Raymond Burnside: colour.
  Thomas Phillips: yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: And then have
  Thomas Phillips: Or
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Thomas Phillips: or silver.
  Raymond Burnside: different covers uh to
  Thomas Phillips: I
  Raymond Burnside: use.
  Thomas Phillips: think it's better to have silver nowadays.
  Raymond Burnside: Silver,
  Andre Ridenour: Silver.
  Raymond Burnside: yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: I think
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: you see more silver
  Raymond Burnside: You see a lot
  Thomas Phillips: than
  Raymond Burnside: of
  Thomas Phillips: black.
  Raymond Burnside: t uh
  Max Dang: But
  Raymond Burnside: silver
  Max Dang: still silver
  Raymond Burnside: televisions.
  Max Dang: and black
  Andre Ridenour: Silver
  Max Dang: are
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Andre Ridenour: rubber.
  Max Dang: well
  Thomas Phillips: the the
  Max Dang: silver
  Thomas Phillips: silver black
  Max Dang: is
  Thomas Phillips: are
  Max Dang: new
  Thomas Phillips: our main
  Max Dang: but also
  Thomas Phillips: colours.
  Max Dang: traditional, so
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Max Dang: uh
  Thomas Phillips: I think we have silver, black and between those is like I dunno s five colours between them or something.
  Max Dang: Yeah w what about a yellow thing, I mean it
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah y I
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Raymond Burnside: think
  Thomas Phillips: yeah yeah
  Raymond Burnside: it's
  Thomas Phillips: it'll be
  Raymond Burnside: better
  Thomas Phillips: a banana
  Raymond Burnside: to
  Thomas Phillips: yellow, we have.
  Max Dang: could be ugly, but it's definitely fancy.
  Thomas Phillips: R red.
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah th yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: But
  Raymond Burnside: That's right.
  Andre Ridenour: yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Green,
  Raymond Burnside: But if you use
  Thomas Phillips: wood,
  Raymond Burnside: uh
  Thomas Phillips: brown.
  Raymond Burnside: silver,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: uh rubber s silver rubber isn't fancy.
  Thomas Phillips: True.
  Raymond Burnside: When you use titanium, silver is fancy, but when
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: you use silver rubber, it isn't fancy. Silver has to shine, and rubber doesn't shine.
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Raymond Burnside: Especially when it's made of soft rubber like this.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: You understand?
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah, I understand.
  Max Dang: Yeah I would think about colours like uh red, yellow,
  Thomas Phillips: Yeah
  Max Dang: green,
  Raymond Burnside: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: o
  Max Dang: blue,
  Thomas Phillips: of course.
  Max Dang: just
  Thomas Phillips: The fruity colours
  Raymond Burnside: Fruity.
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Andre Ridenour: Just all kind
  Thomas Phillips: and
  Andre Ridenour: of colour.
  Thomas Phillips: the
  Raymond Burnside: Fruity
  Thomas Phillips: autumn colours,
  Raymond Burnside: loops.
  Thomas Phillips: like red and brown, dark red
  Max Dang: Mm-hmm.
  Thomas Phillips: and brown.
  Max Dang: Maroon.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: Yeah.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Max Dang: Okay, so
  Andre Ridenour: And and do we have to have a normal black one, or uh
  Max Dang: Who's
  Andre Ridenour: Is it
  Max Dang: pinging?
  Thomas Phillips: No.
  Max Dang: You are pingin Okay.
  Raymond Burnside: You ping.
  Max Dang: Okay, so uh that wraps it up? Everybody
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: knows uh what to do? Well
  Raymond Burnside: Well
  Max Dang: I
  Raymond Burnside: not
  Max Dang: wrote
  Andre Ridenour: Well
  Raymond Burnside: what
  Andre Ridenour: I
  Max Dang: it
  Andre Ridenour: don't
  Raymond Burnside: to
  Max Dang: down
  Raymond Burnside: do.
  Andre Ridenour: know
  Max Dang: here.
  Andre Ridenour: what to do,
  Max Dang: I
  Andre Ridenour: but.
  Max Dang: wrote
  Raymond Burnside: Not what
  Max Dang: it down here
  Raymond Burnside: to
  Max Dang: what to do um.
  Raymond Burnside: do. Look.
  Max Dang: The next meeting is once again in thirty minutes.
  Raymond Burnside: Okay.
  Max Dang: Um here are the individual actions, and especially notice that uh the Industrial
  Andre Ridenour: Ooh.
  Max Dang: Designer and Andre Ridenour are going to work together
  Andre Ridenour: Right.
  Max Dang: on a prototype drawing on
  Thomas Phillips: S
  Max Dang: a smart board,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Max Dang: and of course
  Thomas Phillips: tough.
  Max Dang: to all four of us uh specific instructions
  Thomas Phillips: We'll be
  Max Dang: will
  Thomas Phillips: available.
  Max Dang: be emailed by
  Andre Ridenour: But
  Max Dang: our
  Andre Ridenour: do
  Max Dang: personal
  Andre Ridenour: we have
  Max Dang: coach.
  Andre Ridenour: to We'll work together, but do we have to stay here, or do we
  Max Dang: Well I I'd say just wait uh for
  Andre Ridenour: Right.
  Max Dang: email and uh find out.
  Andre Ridenour: Yes.
  Max Dang: I don't know.
  Andre Ridenour: Okay.
  Raymond Burnside: Thin I think we should work.
  Max Dang: Okay well that was what I had to say,
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah I
  Max Dang: uh,
  Andre Ridenour: think.
  Max Dang: final thoughts from anyone, or?
  Andre Ridenour: No.
  Thomas Phillips: No.
  Max Dang: We're finished. Okay, well thank you very much.
  Andre Ridenour: Yeah.
  Thomas Phillips: Finished.
  Raymond Burnside: Thank you very much.
  Andre Ridenour: So we have to keep talking English now?
Updated Content: After Max Dang opened the meeting, Raymond Burnside discussed his preference for making a remote which is single-curved, made of rubber, contains an LCD, has a docking station to recharge the batteries, and uses a simple chip. Andre Ridenour discussed how speech recognition could be useful to users who often lose their remotes, the layout of the interface, and the option to include a scroll device on the side of the remote to access a menu containing extra features. Thomas Phillips discussed the results of trend-watching reports and his preference for a banana-like remote for younger people and a traditional remote for older people. The trend-watching reports indicated that products should be fancy, innovative, easy to use, in fruity colors, in soft and spongy materials, and in hard materials in autumn colors with square shapes with round edges if appealing to elderly people. The team discussed case shapes, color options, types of rubber, and dimensions. The team then made decisions regarding energy sources, components, and the remote interface.