Extracted Content: Kathlene Hart: Is that alright now? Okay. Sorry? Okay, everybody all set to start the meeting? Okay, we've got half an hour for this one
  Maria Poyer: Could you plug
  Kathlene Hart: um
  Maria Poyer: Maria Poyer in?
  Kathlene Hart: to uh discuss the um functional design.
  Maria Poyer: Okay. Thanks.
  Kathlene Hart: All ready to go? Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Um so hopefully you've all been working away, and I've put the minutes of the last meeting in the project folder. Um so I guess just to to recap on uh what we did last time. Um kind of uh got to each other a little bit and uh got familiar with all the equipment and started to discuss um a bit about the project, you know, cost-wise how much how much money we had to s
  Kathlene Hart: Um just want to tell you that you have three new requirements, um which is the The first one is that um uh the company's decided that teletext is outdated uh because of how popular the internet is. Nobody uses teletext very much anymore,
  Maria Poyer: 'Kay.
  Kathlene Hart: so we don't really need to consider that in the functionality of the of the remote control. Um they've also suggested that we um we only use the remote control to control the television, not the V_C_R_, D_V_D_ or anything else. I think the worry is that if the project becomes too complex then it'll affect um how long it takes us to get it into into production, the time to market.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: So um, we're just gonna keep it simple and it'll just control the T_V_. And the other thing was that the company want the corporate colour and slogan to be implemented in the new design. Um I'm not entirely sure what the corporate colour is. It might be yellow, because there seems to be a lot of yellow everywhere.
  Maria Poyer: And the slogan, like the actual written slogan, or just to embody the idea of the slogan?
  Kathlene Hart: Well that's the thing, I'm I'm not sure um uh th because on the the company website, uh what does it say
  Maria Poyer: 'Bout
  Kathlene Hart: Uh something
  Maria Poyer: putting the fashion in electronics.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Susan Reed: Mm yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: I mean do they Is that something they want actually written on it, 'cause it's quite long. Um or yeah, just the idea, but I'm not sure. So that's something we can discuss as well. So those are the three things, just not to worry about teletext, uh only control the T_V_, and um and uh incorporate the uh colour and slogan of the company. Um so is everybody okay with any of that, or do you want Maria Poyer to recap at all?
  Susan Reed: Nope, we're all set.
  Kathlene Hart: Right um, time for presentations then. Who would like to go first?
  Kelly Stansel: I'll go first.
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay, cool.
  Kelly Stansel: Alright um, I st steal this from the back of your laptop?
  Kathlene Hart: Oh
  Kelly Stansel: Uh
  Kathlene Hart: yeah, of course, yeah. G go on ahead.
  Kelly Stansel: so this is the technical functions design. Um Right to do the um the design I have I've had a look online, I've had a look at the homepage, which has given us um some insp inspiration from previous products.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Kelly Stansel: Um I've had a look at the previous products to see what they offer about the design at the end of the meeting. Um unfortunately we're not allowed to talk outside the meeting room, so
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Kelly Stansel: Um, having a look at the existing products, I found out that um it tends to come in sort of two extremes, there's either um a very complicated one that's got lots of buttons, lots of colours, very confusing, you don't know what you're doing. Um in that case the the labelling tends to be very bad. Um there's an example I'll show you at the end, um sh show you now. Uh
  Kathlene Hart: Alright.
  Kelly Stansel: here um the button there and there. This one's prog. Sorry. That one's perg and that one's prog, and it doesn't really tell you what it does.
  Kelly Stansel: Um, not sure if you had a a look at the other um control in that example. Um it's a very simple one. It's got only the basic functions mm but um it's the same size as the the
  Kathlene Hart: Oop.
  Kelly Stansel: hard to use one. Uh it looked a bit clunky. They're very big and not very much use for buttons. Um, and it's just very hard to access the advanced functions. There's there's nothing for instance for a slow motion button. Um, my own preferences, I prefer the the clunky one. Um it's very easy to use. Um but unfortunately it does lack the advanced functions which I I quite like having on the controls. Um so I believe the the advanced functions should maybe be hidden in a drawer, or something like tha from the bottom of it. So, now I'd like to ask for your preferences. Um not sure of how long we've got, uh
  Kathlene Hart: Um. Well we can chat away for uh for five minutes or so I think at
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: at most. Just a couple of minutes anyway.
  Maria Poyer: M yeah, like a lot of a lot of what I've um read and prepared for this meeting fits in really closely with what with what Craig's just gone over. So in part I could I could give you some of my personal preferences but I could also th add some to this which is just about sort of um sort of market research.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: But anyway, um
  Kathlene Hart: Shall we sh well
  Maria Poyer: we might
  Kathlene Hart: we'll
  Maria Poyer: come
  Kathlene Hart: stick
  Maria Poyer: to that later.
  Susan Reed: Which
  Kathlene Hart: to kind
  Susan Reed: which
  Kathlene Hart: of
  Susan Reed: is
  Kathlene Hart: your
  Susan Reed: the clunky
  Kathlene Hart: area
  Susan Reed: one,
  Kathlene Hart: for now.
  Susan Reed: the one on left
  Kelly Stansel: Um,
  Susan Reed: or
  Kelly Stansel: the
  Susan Reed: on
  Kelly Stansel: clunky
  Susan Reed: the
  Kelly Stansel: one
  Susan Reed: right?..
  Kelly Stansel: is the one on the right.
  Susan Reed: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Um clunky in what sense, like um h heavier? Larger?
  Kelly Stansel: Um I think it's supposed to be the same size, but um it's got much fewer buttons. It's, you know,
  Maria Poyer: I see, so
  Kelly Stansel: it's
  Maria Poyer: it's more
  Kelly Stansel: very
  Maria Poyer: just
  Kelly Stansel: spread out
  Kathlene Hart: Looks
  Kelly Stansel: and
  Maria Poyer: basic.
  Kathlene Hart: kind
  Kelly Stansel: kind
  Kathlene Hart: of
  Kelly Stansel: of
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Right, okay.
  Kelly Stansel: you know, I get the idea it'd be sort of about this size.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kelly Stansel: got very few buttons on
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kelly Stansel: it and
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: Well I think it's a valid point. I mean like the one on the left looks quite um quite complicated, and that P_R_T_ p P_R_O_T_ thing is incredibly confusing. Um so I see I see why yo you know you might prefer the simpler design, but yeah you don't want to lose out on, you know, what it does,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: so maybe you know you know you get a lot of remote controls where you kind of flip the thing open, I think that's a
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: good idea. I
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: think it's a good idea.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kelly Stansel: Um, do we have any functions that um we'd want on it? I mean so far I've got um on and off,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Kelly Stansel: um switch the channel up and down, and put the volume up and down.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh.
  Kelly Stansel: Um they're just the the very basics you could use for a T_V_.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh, and then actual numbers for channels as well, yeah.
  Kelly Stansel: Okay. Um, you say that's a h a required one or a requested one?
  Maria Poyer: Which
  Kelly Stansel: Would you
  Maria Poyer: was that?
  Kelly Stansel: like um the channels like the the numbers
  Maria Poyer: Up
  Kelly Stansel: on
  Maria Poyer: the numbers,
  Kelly Stansel: thing,
  Maria Poyer: or the up down?
  Kathlene Hart: God,
  Kelly Stansel: um
  Kathlene Hart: I wou I would say that's required, I mean there's no way anybody's gonna buy a remote control these days when if you can't actually individually
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: select channels, I mean would anybody disagree
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: with that? Um, what else, uh So don't need to worry about teletext, don't need to worry about V_C_R_, uh any kind of
  Maria Poyer: We
  Kathlene Hart: like
  Maria Poyer: don't?
  Kathlene Hart: display
  Maria Poyer: No?
  Kathlene Hart: controls at all do you think we need to worry about, you know like
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: brightness and contrast?
  Maria Poyer: Well I think I think es essentially what we're doing right now is we're categorising. We're saying well we want this to be a product that offers all the
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Maria Poyer: sort of more tricky features but we want them to be in another area? Is that right? Is that what we're
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Kelly Stansel: Um,
  Maria Poyer: we're doing? We're kind
  Kelly Stansel: yeah.
  Maria Poyer: of like sorting them an Or
  Kelly Stansel: Um
  Maria Poyer: are we actually eliminating things we just don't want the product to have?
  Kathlene Hart: I think are you are you maybe kind of thinking what we absolutely have to have and what would
  Kelly Stansel: Uh,
  Kathlene Hart: be nice?
  Kelly Stansel: to start with um sort of a bit both, um we need to find out exactly what we have to have
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Kelly Stansel: um and after that we can add things if they're possible.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay, right. Well, do you wanna maybe just, at this point decide on what we absolutely must have as
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: a p as a function of this.
  Maria Poyer: Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: Um, so so far, just to recap you've got
  Kelly Stansel: There's um
  Kathlene Hart: volume
  Kelly Stansel: on and off,
  Kathlene Hart: and channel
  Kelly Stansel: um
  Kathlene Hart: control and
  Kelly Stansel: volume and channel, and skip to certain channels with the numbers.
  Kathlene Hart: Right okay. Um
  Maria Poyer: Well, one one way I would look at this um would be that we a approach the different controls in terms of um like control types, so that for the user it's very clear what they want to do where they
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm
  Maria Poyer: go.
  Kathlene Hart: yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Uh and also think maybe a little bit about sorta w w what would just wanna be acc easily accessible. For example
  Kathlene Hart: Oka
  Maria Poyer: if we had audio controls, those could be something people set up very rarely. Maybe they're un they're they're they're in a little area
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: but covered up um, things like channel and volume um are used all the time, so we just have them right out on top, um very just very sort of self-explanatory. Um so maybe we need to think about having three or more groupings of controls, you know like one which are just the the habitual ones that should be right within your natural grip. And others that are uh also available and then others that are concealed. Something
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: like that.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh well, just to to wrap up quickly on this this little section Have I just lost Oh no. Um, uh do you think maybe that's the only kind of uh essential requirements, and then maybe just things that would be nice if it could do would be things like audio set up and display set up and things like that, maybe like a mute button, that sort of thing.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Any of you anything to add to that at all?
  Susan Reed: No.
  Kathlene Hart: No.
  Susan Reed: I'll add it later, I guess the
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: presentation.
  Kathlene Hart: right.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Um okay, if we can move on to next presentation then please.
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: Um
  Kelly Stansel: Do
  Kathlene Hart: Do
  Kelly Stansel: you
  Kathlene Hart: you wanna
  Kelly Stansel: want to
  Maria Poyer: Can
  Kelly Stansel: switch places?
  Maria Poyer: this can this pl reach? Can this plug
  Susan Reed: No.
  Maria Poyer: come across?
  Kathlene Hart: Probably
  Susan Reed: No.
  Kathlene Hart: not, actually.
  Maria Poyer: No. So why don't I just pick up and move
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: then. Here, I'll just Why don't I just
  Maria Poyer: Mm
  Kelly Stansel: Just just switch them.
  Maria Poyer: er, can you go up behind Maria Poyer? Kinda This is so This
  Kathlene Hart: bit complicated. It'd
  Maria Poyer: I'm all in
  Kathlene Hart: be
  Maria Poyer: a
  Kathlene Hart: nice
  Maria Poyer: knot
  Kathlene Hart: if everything
  Maria Poyer: now.
  Kathlene Hart: was wireless, wouldn't it?
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Right.
  Maria Poyer: Um. So I can I can say already, I dunno whether this is for good or for bad but there'll be a lot of kind of uh redundancy in the in the the issues and the the uh
  Kathlene Hart: Oh, like
  Maria Poyer: the things.
  Kathlene Hart: overlap between
  Maria Poyer: Yeah,
  Kathlene Hart: what you said?
  Maria Poyer: yeah. Which
  Kathlene Hart: that
  Maria Poyer: is ma not
  Kathlene Hart: that'll happen.
  Maria Poyer: necessarily a bad thing, but may what I've already started doing is cr I created a slide in in my presentation here so um so that we kind of think well what's the cumulative effect of what we've taken from your ideas and and mine, because certainly I I have a hard time separating separating things completely. Obviously
  Kathlene Hart: Mm hard to know what
  Maria Poyer: obviously
  Kathlene Hart: where your
  Maria Poyer: what
  Kathlene Hart: role
  Maria Poyer: you've just
  Kathlene Hart: ends,
  Maria Poyer: told
  Kathlene Hart: yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Maria Poyer what you've just told Maria Poyer impacts a lot on what um like market research mm that that I've been So
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: how do I how do I get
  Susan Reed: Um
  Maria Poyer: this
  Susan Reed: function
  Maria Poyer: up?
  Susan Reed: F_ eight.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh pr yeah, press
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: function and F_ eight, yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Okay. Alright. So F_ eight?
  Susan Reed: Function, the blue button. Next to the control on the left.
  Maria Poyer: Oh, and F_
  Susan Reed: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Maria Poyer: eight.
  Susan Reed: You
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: have to push it together.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Maria Poyer: Okay, I think that that's doing it now.
  Susan Reed: Nope. Try that again.
  Maria Poyer: Uh, again?
  Kelly Stansel: Think maybe the
  Susan Reed: Wait.
  Kelly Stansel: the wire in the back might be loose.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah, you wanna
  Maria Poyer: Um,
  Kathlene Hart: Oh oh here
  Susan Reed: Yep,
  Kathlene Hart: we
  Maria Poyer: okay
  Susan Reed: there
  Kathlene Hart: go.
  Susan Reed: we
  Maria Poyer: great.
  Susan Reed: go.
  Kathlene Hart: There you go.
  Maria Poyer: Okay. Just um Before I bring this up what I'll just say is um what I've what I've done is tried to collect some information so that I can then relay this to to you guys so that it's now becomes a collective thing. And then kind of lead us in the direction of deciding, 'kay what what are our options, what should we decide and do you know what I mean, so.
  Susan Reed: Increase
  Kathlene Hart: Um
  Susan Reed: that 'cause see the
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: That's much better.
  Kathlene Hart: Right. Can you um
  Susan Reed: There
  Kathlene Hart: Right,
  Susan Reed: you go.
  Kathlene Hart: okay.
  Maria Poyer: Okay. Alright. That would be Okay. So um does that make sense? So what I basically got is I just looked into some information and sort of th tried to think about how how we could review it and how we could and what kind of decisions we could take away from it and then maybe by the end of just looking at some of these things we can think about what are our priorities. 'Cause certainly there's lots of different information to go through. So um I'm thinking here about uh primarily about customer needs, that we start with the customer, and w you know, what they want and what are issues with with um existing products. Uh to think about trends and also about try and connect that as you see with the company vision which is about fashion in electronics. Um and then, as I say uh w we'd like to prioritise our design features from this and um
  Susan Reed: Bouncing on top.
  Maria Poyer: Dunno. Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Um. found here, um a lot of this is new to Maria Poyer, so we'll just read through together. Um, users dislike the look and feel of current remote controls. So they find them ugly. Most people find them ugly. Um the vast majority would spend more money for it to look fancy as well, we'll see later, the vast majority would spend more money for um slightly more intuitive control, such as
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: voice recognition. Okay I'm gonna we'll look at that in a second. Um most people use only a f a very slim portion of all the controls. So I guess what we're looking at here is people want this h technology, they tend to use the most simple controls and overall they find remote controls to be something they don't doesn't really appeal to them.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: So I think what we're doing is we're trying to take like if for Maria Poyer this is sorta like three different different um inspirations, you know, one is that we want uh something that's high-tech but we want it to seem easy. And in spite of the primitive side of it and the very high-tech side, we want it to just be an appealing piece of equipment in people's hands. Um, frustrations. They get lost a lot, s as it came up in our last meeting. Um, takes time to learn how to use them. This is uh why I mention when Craig was uh showing us some ideas that we actually try and group controls, so d it doesn't just look like a big panel, kinda like when you you look at, you know, a new computer keyboard, or something that is quite explanatory. If you want audio, if you want visual, then you have those. Um and I will admit I don't know what R_S_I_ stands for.
  Kathlene Hart: Repetitive strain injury.
  Susan Reed: Is installing a new remote control something that people
  Maria Poyer: Uh, no, that did not come up at all. Um so here here is another um sort of a a review here of the main things. I also found that most people would uh adults at least would pay more for voice recognition. Now apparently we do have access to all the tech cutting edge technology in remote control. So I dunno if that's possible we might consider getting into it. Um. And and again here as we sort of move m sort of thin start thinking about how we wanna sell and market this, I think a recurring theme here is the company wants it to be wants us to make something that's fashionable and sleek
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: and trendy. Um people uh additionally aren't aren't liking the appearance of their products, so we wanna think about as we take all the sort of the techie features how we can um put that into a unit which is which people like. You know,
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: they like the aesthetics and the ergonomics.
  Kathlene Hart: So want something that looks good and is easy to use,
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: big priorities.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah,
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: so you know just c looking at what what Craig um Craig's i uh ideas are s sorta tell Maria Poyer that maybe what we wanna do is try and um separate the different things that we wanna include in this. So if we do say well we want there to be all the technology will we try and make that almost be like optional technology. You know, it's like like I find a lot of T_V_s these days, something really like about 'em is if you wanna just turn 'em on and off you can, but they have little panels where you click
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Maria Poyer: and there's just like tons of features
  Kathlene Hart: So
  Maria Poyer: you
  Kathlene Hart: it
  Maria Poyer: go
  Kathlene Hart: you
  Maria Poyer: through.
  Kathlene Hart: wanna group all the different kind of
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: types of functions together, you know. That's I think
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: it's a good idea.
  Maria Poyer: That's s that's sort of the um But I I'm my hope here is that I'm putting out this information so that we can then say okay, well how do we collectively move
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: on with it. Um
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: I I haven't brought out one specific marketing idea, although my sense is that what we should try and think about is what are the current trends in materials and shapes and styles,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: and then use that. But not let that confine us technologically.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: So
  Kathlene Hart: Right.
  Maria Poyer: Alright? Any um comments on all of that?
  Kathlene Hart: Well, um
  Maria Poyer: That's
  Kathlene Hart: one
  Maria Poyer: uh
  Kathlene Hart: of the things that we have to decide on by the end of the meeting is who we're gonna be um who's our our target audience, our target market.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Um, so if we want something that that looks good and is easy to use, but has y is fairly powerful product, whatever, who do we really want to aim that at?
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: I mean
  Maria Poyer: Where's the money, maybe.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah, who wou who would have the money to spend.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Well i if
  Maria Poyer: And who watches
  Kathlene Hart: if like
  Maria Poyer: T_V_.
  Kathlene Hart: twenty five Euro is our is our selling price
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: then you can imagine, well I don't I'm not really sure how much that will
  Maria Poyer: Mm.
  Kathlene Hart: retail at. But you want it's somebody who's not gonna just use the remote that comes with their telly, I suppose,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: they're gonna actually go out and buy one.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: So, who do you think we're aiming this at?
  Susan Reed: Um, I think it'll be the mid range to the high end market, in terms of people. 'Cause twenty five Euros for a remote, how much is that lo locally in pounds?
  Kathlene Hart: It's about sixteen, seventeen pounds, I think.
  Susan Reed: Is that too is that a lot of money to buy an extra remote or a replacement
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Susan Reed: remote?
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: okay.
  Susan Reed: Right. Um so maybe not the high end range, but maybe middle, middle up-ish.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Kind of. You know how much? I dunno I guess you pay,
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: what, ten ten quid for a remote? Like a simple replacement,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: right. I mean if you lost your remote and the first thing
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Susan Reed: you just wanna go
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: out and get,
  Kathlene Hart: yeah.
  Maria Poyer: This
  Susan Reed: would you
  Maria Poyer: this
  Susan Reed: how much
  Maria Poyer: kinda
  Susan Reed: would you
  Maria Poyer: touches
  Susan Reed: pay?
  Maria Poyer: on your comments there, David. These are the age groups which we
  Susan Reed: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: have information on and these are this is a table of h what people would pay more for a certain feature. Just
  Kathlene Hart: Okay
  Maria Poyer: gives us a rough idea of where the w the will to spend money on T_V_ equipment is.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Mostly focused around the twenty five age group.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah, so do you think we're we're aiming at a fairly young market then?
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Maria Poyer: Sort of young professional, kind
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Maria Poyer: of. Mm-hmm
  Kathlene Hart: okay.
  Kelly Stansel: Um
  Kathlene Hart: Um do you think then uh voice recognition is something we should really seriously consider? What what do you think, Craig?
  Kelly Stansel: Well, did you not say it was the the adults that were going for the the voice recognition? Sort of the
  Maria Poyer: Uh,
  Kelly Stansel: the older
  Maria Poyer: yeah,
  Kelly Stansel: group.
  Maria Poyer: it's the Yep.
  Kelly Stansel: Uh
  Maria Poyer: It
  Kelly Stansel: f
  Maria Poyer: does it does fit with the market that we're sort of identifying,
  Kathlene Hart: N yeah.
  Maria Poyer: in terms of
  Kathlene Hart: I think we are gonna have to narrow it down, to say let's target these
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: people and give them what they want and
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: 'cause you know,
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: there needs to be some kind of
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: selling point to
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: it. So um anybody anything there to add Just kind of young professionals, uh th like if we are going to include speech recognition, it's kind of between fifteen and thirty five seems to be like a really high response to that.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: So we could say
  Susan Reed: I
  Kathlene Hart: that
  Susan Reed: I
  Kathlene Hart: was
  Susan Reed: think
  Kathlene Hart: our target.
  Susan Reed: twenty five to thirty five is is is fair to add that in as
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: a group
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: as well because
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: that's more than half your group of people who are willing to at least try
  Maria Poyer: Yeah,
  Susan Reed: and use your technology.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay, so fifteen to thirty five, look fairly young.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: You know, they have bit of expendable income to spend on this sort of thing.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: I think perhaps that age group is significant as well because those are people who use the computer,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: who are familiar with their with computers in in their everyday work.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: I think people who are maybe about
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: I wouldn't say thirty five, but people who are about
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: forty-ish and above now
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: would
  Maria Poyer: But
  Susan Reed: not
  Maria Poyer: yeah.
  Susan Reed: be so dependent and reliant on a computer
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: or
  Maria Poyer: Yeah,
  Susan Reed: a mobile
  Maria Poyer: sure.
  Susan Reed: phone or something like that.
  Kathlene Hart: So
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: So these are people who are gadgety, right? People
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: who are u growing up used to, you know in schools and in universities, when you go on to their working lives,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: people who would
  Kathlene Hart: So
  Susan Reed: you
  Kathlene Hart: they'll
  Susan Reed: know regular
  Kathlene Hart: not sh not shy
  Susan Reed: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: away from something
  Susan Reed: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: quite high-tech.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: That that's
  Susan Reed: Mm.
  Kathlene Hart: that's a good point. Um okay, so um so shall we make the decision uh to include speech recognition
  Maria Poyer: If we can.
  Kathlene Hart: if we can.
  Susan Reed: I I think
  Kelly Stansel: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: one thing we should try not to avoid is not to say we have to use speech recognition right now,
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: because
  Kathlene Hart: Why is that?
  Susan Reed: um, based on what you've go y everybody's saying, right, you want something simple. You want basic stuff and you want something that's easy to use. Speech recognition might not be the simplest thing
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: for somebody
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: to use.
  Maria Poyer: Could it be an on off thing?
  Susan Reed: Um,
  Maria Poyer: Like if you want it
  Kathlene Hart: Where you can
  Susan Reed: but
  Kathlene Hart: activate
  Susan Reed: what
  Maria Poyer: on
  Susan Reed: I'm saying
  Kathlene Hart: it and
  Susan Reed: is
  Kathlene Hart: deactivate
  Susan Reed: that we're
  Kathlene Hart: it?
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: we're trying to lock ourselves into a s particular kind of technology,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: rather than focusing on on exactly what are the features that we're
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: gonna say,
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: and then, you know,
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Susan Reed: say speech recognition is good for this, speech recognition is not good for this.
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Susan Reed: So
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: maybe we should I suggest
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: that we think about speech recognition,
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Susan Reed: anyway it's a it's something that can be used to fulfil a function, but
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh.
  Susan Reed: at end of the day we don't look at the technology, but
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: we look at the function first.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Sure. Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh okay, well do you wanna um give us your presentation
  Susan Reed: Okay, sure.
  Kathlene Hart: and then then we can I
  Maria Poyer: Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: don't know um might have been a good idea to all deliver our presentations and then discuss,
  Maria Poyer: Yeah,
  Kathlene Hart: but
  Maria Poyer: it's
  Kathlene Hart: this is
  Maria Poyer: good
  Kathlene Hart: this
  Maria Poyer: well
  Kathlene Hart: is
  Maria Poyer: it's
  Kathlene Hart: how we're
  Maria Poyer: good to get ideas out while
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Maria Poyer: they're fresh in mind.
  Kathlene Hart: exactly, yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Um
  Kathlene Hart: Oh it's something that's just occurred to Maria Poyer as well is if we make it um speech reco if we incorporate speech recognition, that's appealing to people um maybe with
  Maria Poyer: Not
  Kathlene Hart: a physical disability as well.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Um.
  Maria Poyer: And not losing. And also it helps in terms of people not losing this, you know they
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: they're saying oh it's I lose it in the couch.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: like we're kind of what we're b sort of getting in into here is mating different uh design features
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Maria Poyer: together that they
  Kelly Stansel: I reckon one problem with speech recognition is um I've actually seen one of them used and uh the technology that was in that one wasn't particularly amazing, so you end up yelling at the control for hours.
  Kathlene Hart: Really?
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Kelly Stansel: Channel up.
  Maria Poyer: Oh really, you've seen one before.
  Kathlene Hart: Do you think maybe we need like
  Kelly Stansel: Um
  Kathlene Hart: further advances in that kind of area until it's worthwhile incorporating
  Kelly Stansel: I think it'd
  Kathlene Hart: it
  Kelly Stansel: probably
  Kathlene Hart: though?
  Kelly Stansel: quite expensive
  Susan Reed: Sorry, do
  Kelly Stansel: to
  Susan Reed: you mind passing
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Kelly Stansel: put in.
  Susan Reed: Maria Poyer my
  Kathlene Hart: Course
  Susan Reed: notepad.
  Kathlene Hart: not.
  Susan Reed: Thanks. Cool,
  Kathlene Hart: There you go.
  Susan Reed: um. Okay. Um.
  Kathlene Hart: Right.
  Susan Reed: Well this is just the working design
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: um. Well this is just what how I would go about it. Um I guess I try to define like what we're doing now, try to define what we're trying to get done. Um
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: I think in a practical way, we kind of know what it is. We've used it, we're familiar with it, but we're we can't n we haven't narrowed down um exactly what the things we're trying to fulfil, like Besides the basics, I think back in the back of our minds we know what the basics are. Has to change channels, has to change volume, but in like specifics, right, which one of the basics are you trying to target.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: Um are there certain parts of the basics that are more important or less important than the basics? Um and I just the idea is just to get everybody to um I usually have a have have a design that's there as a basic, so, you know, things that to start everything going. But I guess everybody does have some idea, so I don't think um there's a need for that. Um okay this finding things is a little bit confusing, so I'll go into the diagram first. It just explains how the process goes through,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: from a from the basic technology point of view, the basic steps that you need um in the diagram and in this slide probably works better. Um okay, you need some power source. 'Kay, a battery or something,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: to keep it going. Um and that power source is important because it ties you down to um how long the device will last.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh.
  Susan Reed: Um it ties you down perhaps a bit later on in terms of the technologies um how far you can transmit the signal or the complexity of the functions
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: that you want. Like for example, voice recognition, right. might be constrained because that you might need to power a microphone, you might need to power other things, so that's one perhaps constraint there. Um Th Okay, the basic thing is there's a user interface where people punch a button or talk into it or smile to it or blink their eyes, whatever.
  Kathlene Hart: Hmm.
  Susan Reed: You know, and that um picks up an input from a user, um uh a logic a series of logic has to decide what the user is telling the device, and the device has to r you know, based on you push button A_, so I will do something with button A_. So maybe button
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: A_ is the power button,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: okay. Um and then it needs to be able to send the signal out to the device itself which is the receiver here. Um and I think that's about it in terms of my design um. It's fairly general, um and I guess the purpose of this is also not to restrict you
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: in in the way you're thinking, like um voice recognition, right, um, if it's something which is important then we just add more power rather than having a thing that we don't have enough power. So it's not
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: really a constraint in that sense,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: but I mean these are functionally, you know, the base,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: what
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: the technology has to do.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: Um so I guess the rest of it I think we should maybe you you wanna go back to what the functions are? I think that's
  Maria Poyer: 'Kay.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh.
  Susan Reed: more relevant to a discussion?
  Kathlene Hart: Well, do
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: you wan do you wanna finish up
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: your your whole presentation
  Susan Reed: Yeah, w I'm done.
  Kathlene Hart: then? Are you are you all done?
  Susan Reed: More or less. Yeah. Ps Oh, it's just putting the rest of it into words, but it's essentially
  Maria Poyer: Yep.
  Susan Reed: the same thing.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Susan Reed: Um you have a transmitter, an input
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: device, logic chip, you know, stuff
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: like that. Um
  Kathlene Hart: Right.
  Maria Poyer: And like on the means
  Susan Reed: I guess this would
  Maria Poyer: b
  Susan Reed: be
  Maria Poyer: Since we're on the topic of the technology,
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Maria Poyer: uh are there any like what are our options? Alright, what's what i in Is this the only way that we go about it, or are there
  Susan Reed: Um,
  Maria Poyer: other
  Susan Reed: these these
  Maria Poyer: thin
  Susan Reed: aren't technology options in that sense.
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: This is just um
  Maria Poyer: The basic
  Susan Reed: a
  Maria Poyer: principle
  Susan Reed: basic
  Maria Poyer: of
  Susan Reed: principles
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: and
  Maria Poyer: 'Kay.
  Susan Reed: basic components that are needed.
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: For example, if you needed um if you needed to add uh a voice recognition, right, then your user interface would be split, broken down into more components,
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: right, which you have a microphone,
  Kathlene Hart: Oh.
  Susan Reed: the V_R_
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: and stuff like that.
  Kathlene Hart: So this just show how
  Susan Reed: Uh
  Kathlene Hart: we're kind of modularising the whole
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: thing. Okay.
  Susan Reed: Yep. So each component represents one function,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: but I think the basic functions are the logic, the transmitter, um and the receiver,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: okay, and the power are things that you won't have to care about.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: Um and those are things that based on what your user interface requires then
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: we'll add more functionality to it.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Um there might be one other consideration which would be that the the transmission between the remote control and the T_V_ for example.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Okay,
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: um are we gonna restrict ourselves to using the traditional technologies of infra-red
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: thing? Because that's something you need to actually be physically be pointing to.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: Right.
  Kathlene Hart: Well well a worry that was was expressed in the new requirements was that if we made this too complex it would e it would effect um how long how long it took us to get this to market, so I th suspect it might be a good idea just to restrict our kind of our creative influence on this on the user interface and not worry so much about uh how we transmit it
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: um because I mean it it's tried and tested intra-red, so
  Susan Reed: There might
  Kathlene Hart: we
  Susan Reed: be
  Kathlene Hart: could
  Susan Reed: one
  Kathlene Hart: stay with tha
  Susan Reed: other problem with the transmission, um in particular right now, since we're talking about voice recognition. Um if somebody's gonna h talk to the device, you ideally
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm
  Susan Reed: want them to hold it to them.
  Kathlene Hart: Oh,
  Susan Reed: I it
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Kathlene Hart: yeah.
  Susan Reed: you may not require that, but
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: you know, um it's it's it's something very natural, I guess,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Susan Reed: you know, to
  Kathlene Hart: mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: hold it, to signal to the user, and push a button maybe to start s talking
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: about it. Then you need to send the signal out, so
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Susan Reed: because if you're using infra-red, the line of sight
  Kathlene Hart: Mm.
  Susan Reed: um say the T_V_'s at that chair, and I'm standing in front of here and the transmitter is here,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: it blocks it.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: So in that sense, there's not really a restriction but it's something which
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: you may have to think about later on in the process.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Not so much
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: further
  Maria Poyer: And
  Susan Reed: down.
  Maria Poyer: um just a clarification before we finish this. Uh does c is our controller is it have the option of being um on a standard uh frequency as all of the other equipment, so that the one controller can control
  Susan Reed: There's there's not much specific
  Maria Poyer: several pieces of
  Susan Reed: specific
  Maria Poyer: equipment?
  Susan Reed: information,
  Kathlene Hart: W
  Susan Reed: but I think that um one indication of infra-red mean that you're just targeting traditional devices.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Because
  Kathlene Hart: W
  Susan Reed: infra-red is something which everybody has.
  Kathlene Hart: Well well we've um In the new requirement spec they said just to focus
  Maria Poyer: Just
  Kathlene Hart: on
  Maria Poyer: to
  Kathlene Hart: the T_V_,
  Maria Poyer: T_V_, okay.
  Kathlene Hart: so that's what we should do for now I think.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Something I was wondering about was the power. Um, is it worth considering like having like a charging unit as opposed to just regular batteries? I mean is that something we really want to go into, do you think, or should we
  Susan Reed: There's
  Kathlene Hart: just consider
  Susan Reed: a there's
  Kathlene Hart: running
  Susan Reed: Okay,
  Kathlene Hart: on
  Susan Reed: from
  Kathlene Hart: regular
  Susan Reed: from
  Kathlene Hart: batteries?
  Susan Reed: a from a component point of view there's added complexity,
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh.
  Susan Reed: and you add cost to it,
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh.
  Susan Reed: um and then there's probably the fact that you need another physical component. You need a docking cradle, for
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: example,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: for you to
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: put it in to charge.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Or you need to get the user to plug it in. Um
  Kathlene Hart: Okay, so
  Susan Reed: and most users are very f use already used to the idea of buying batteries and putting it into
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: the controller. But unless the controller's gonna consume a lot of batteries, like he's gonna run through like
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: twenty batteries a month, then I don't think rechargeable is something we should you know, we
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Susan Reed: really
  Kathlene Hart: so
  Susan Reed: need
  Kathlene Hart: just
  Susan Reed: to
  Kathlene Hart: stick to to regular
  Susan Reed: care about. Um.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay. Um, right. So basically the um I'm just gonna just recap uh what I said at the start, was that um the the whole point of this meeting was to f absolutely finalise who we're gonna aim this at, and
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: what exactly the product's gonna do.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: So um just to recap on Are we all happy about the idea of um aiming the product at um the fifteen to thirty five bracket?
  Maria Poyer: Yeah,
  Kathlene Hart: Um
  Maria Poyer: that's
  Kathlene Hart: and
  Maria Poyer: good.
  Kathlene Hart: also the funct the the actual functions of what it's gonna do. Do you wanna recap on that, Craig?
  Kelly Stansel: Um. I think we just say that it was gonna be the the most basic stuff possible. Um on off, up and down channels, up and down volume and uh skip to a channel.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Kelly Stansel: Ta.
  Maria Poyer: And
  Kathlene Hart: right.
  Maria Poyer: is it going to include any of the uh the more advanced features, or are we gonna eliminate those?
  Kelly Stansel: Um I think we include mute, but apart from that um I think we just we'll go for the simpleness.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Okay,
  Maria Poyer: R
  Susan Reed: I
  Maria Poyer: is
  Susan Reed: think
  Maria Poyer: it is it is it s is it not an option still that we include some things just as a sort of under like sort of under a door
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Kelly Stansel: Yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: it's
  Maria Poyer: or
  Kathlene Hart: as
  Maria Poyer: some
  Kathlene Hart: optional functions.
  Maria Poyer: 'Cause what what I'm I'd be a bit worried about is if someone was h had previously developed habits of expecting to control surround sound or this and that with their controller and then and then they, you know, w they get ours and w it's doesn't have that. I dunno
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: if that'd be a problem.
  Susan Reed: Another thing that you were saying about categorising the controls?
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: Um maybe I could suggest we we break them down into three simple categories.
  Maria Poyer: Yeah. Okay.
  Susan Reed: One would be audio controls,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: one would be video controls,
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: and the other one would be a device. Um this may not map very well to advanced functionality especially, but I think that um from a manufacturer's point of view,
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: from a person designing the device, but I think from a point of view of a person using the device, you know a T_V_ is something they see and something they hear,
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: um it's something they do other things to like turn it on and turn it off.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: I mean like
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: so what we could have is like three buckets, right, where we could throw things into, like if we want this feature, let's throw it into there,
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: and then from there decide whether it's basic, or it's non-basic.
  Maria Poyer: 'Kay, okay.
  Susan Reed: I mean
  Maria Poyer: Like
  Susan Reed: it
  Maria Poyer: that.
  Susan Reed: might help with the visualisation.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: And it would actually help with the component build
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: as well.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Maria Poyer: Mm okay, great.
  Kathlene Hart: right. Um, okay well I gotta kind of got five minutes to wrap up now. Um next thing we're doing is having lunch. Whoohoo. Um and then we're gonna have thirty minutes of working on the next stage. Um so I'll be putting the minutes of this uh this meeting into the project documents folder.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: Um so uh I guess just to just to confirm that we know what we're doing in the next well
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: in the thirty minutes after lunch anyway, um for uh our Industrial Designer, you're gonna be thinking about the components concept. Um User Interface Designer gonna be thinking about our user interface, and marketing you're gonna be thinking about trend watching. Um and you'll all get specific instructions as well. So um I dunno, just just to to ask now if you've got anything else you've thought about while we've been talking. Um, do you wanna start with David. Anything else to say at all?
  Susan Reed: Mm no, not
  Kathlene Hart: No,
  Susan Reed: really.
  Kathlene Hart: okay.
  Maria Poyer: Um
  Kathlene Hart: Andrew?
  Maria Poyer: yeah, just I just wanted to ask then before we wrap up, shall we agree for sake of um sort of clarity and when we when we r resume that we'll u use this idea David's proposed, where we think of these three sort of buckets and
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah,
  Maria Poyer: anything
  Kathlene Hart: yeah I think
  Maria Poyer: anything
  Kathlene Hart: that's definitely
  Maria Poyer: we discuss
  Kathlene Hart: a good
  Maria Poyer: about
  Kathlene Hart: idea.
  Maria Poyer: them is sort of, okay, we're talking about this.
  Kathlene Hart: Uh-huh.
  Maria Poyer: Shall we
  Susan Reed: Mm.
  Maria Poyer: do that, then?
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Okay, great.
  Kelly Stansel: Um just about the three buckets, um what would go in the the device functions one?
  Susan Reed: Um things like on off. Because they don't have anything to do with what you see.
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: I Maria Poyer mean in terms of picture and the entertainment value, you know, um
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: so um
  Maria Poyer: And
  Kelly Stansel: Um
  Maria Poyer: and channel.
  Susan Reed: And channel.
  Maria Poyer: Right.
  Susan Reed: Because the on off also goes, you know, like on off like power, not on off sound. Not
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: on off video. Although you don't turn off the video on your T_V_, but um you
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: might wanna you know turn off the sound, say you wanna pick up the phone, there's a mute button, right, so
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: you you have you have a choice of putting it on to um others or a device. Device is basically anything which we can't categorise, right.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Susan Reed: We
  Kathlene Hart: so
  Susan Reed: put it
  Kathlene Hart: you're
  Susan Reed: out.
  Kathlene Hart: gonna have um audio which is gonna be like you know your bass settings and
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: actual volume
  Susan Reed: Yeah, anything to do with
  Kathlene Hart: hi
  Susan Reed: what you hear, right.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: You you put that into audio.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: And
  Kathlene Hart: and then
  Susan Reed: then
  Kathlene Hart: visual
  Susan Reed: video is anything that you can see.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay,
  Susan Reed: Um.
  Kathlene Hart: so brightness, contrast,
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: things like that,
  Maria Poyer: Colour, yeah.
  Kathlene Hart: and then just actual device things,
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Kathlene Hart: like
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: what channel you're watching,
  Maria Poyer: Sure.
  Kathlene Hart: turning on an off,
  Susan Reed: Yep.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: stuff like that. Okay,
  Maria Poyer: And
  Kathlene Hart: um
  Maria Poyer: then k I suppose quite likely what would happen is in the d device category there might be some which are just like the habitual standard and then others which are maybe a bit more
  Susan Reed: Like
  Kathlene Hart: Mm-hmm.
  Susan Reed: random which we
  Maria Poyer: Yeah.
  Susan Reed: have no other place to put,
  Kathlene Hart: Yeah.
  Maria Poyer: Sure,
  Susan Reed: but we
  Maria Poyer: okay.
  Susan Reed: need it somewhere there.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Susan Reed: Um even even if it doesn't map very clearly what happens is that people at least have some in their mind. It's easy to use, I think that's one thing that um and I guess from the component point of
  Kathlene Hart: Okay.
  Susan Reed: view it's easy to build as well 'cause things are like fixed.
  Maria Poyer: Okay.
  Kathlene Hart: Okay. Um so yeah, I guess just things to think about are you know like the fact it's gotta look good, because of who we're we're, you know, targeting this at. Um something maybe kind of quirky in design maybe.
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: Make it kind of ergonomic kind of to
  Maria Poyer: Mm-hmm.
  Kathlene Hart: hold, you know, things like that. Um, so I guess I guess that's it.
  Maria Poyer: Great.
  Kathlene Hart: That's the meeting over. Whoohoo.
  Maria Poyer: Then we get to go find out what was picked up for lunch for us.